Green Light with Chris Long - NFLPA & NFL Collusion, Netflix's Quarterback, Golf Course & NFL Fights!

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

New information has been obtained regarding the NFL and NFLPA potential collusion. Chris details the findings, the impact on the NFL players and the next steps ahead of the 2025 NFL season. Chris, Nate and Macon also review Netflix's Quarterback TV show that highlights Joe Burrow, Jared Goff and Kirk Cousins' 2024 seasons, tier NFL QBs if they were to smoke together and react to the viral golf course fight and talk NFL fights in another great Friday Freakshow! (00:00:00) Intro (00:06:25) NFL & NFLPA Collusion (00:40:18) Netflix's Quarterback Show (00:53:45) Tiering NFL QBs (01:04:06) Golf Course Fight & NFL Fights Bryan Braman's GoFundeMe can be found here: https://www.gofundme.com/f/donate-to-bryan-bramans-healing-journey Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Also, check out our paddling partners at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Appomattox River Company ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. Green Light's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, where you can catch all the latest GL action: Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All I want is the NFL to be held accountable when they misstep, just like players. And they mis-stuffed. You can't do that. As of Tuesday night, the NFL PA has decided, Lloyd Howell has decided, hey, we're going to appeal this. This isn't right. We're going to appeal that something's not right. Somebody did something here, and we're going to find out. That's what Lloyd Howell said.

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It's another Friday freak show for you today, and we're talking to a few hot topics. First, Chris deep dives into the NFLPA potential collusion. It's a big story, first found by Pablo Torre he found out Chris updates you on that. We also talk about the golf course fight that happened the other day. We tier quarterbacks on how chill they would be to smoke with. Talk about Netflix's

quarterback documentary and relive one of Chris's NFL fights. It's Chris, it's making it's Nate. Great crew for you on a Friday. Enjoy it. We'll see you next time. Start the show by wishing my esteemed colleague making Gunter a happy birthday. I knew

that was going to be your secret text. Happy birthday. That wasn't the secret text. You thoughtful. You thoughtful. Thanks, everybody. Thank you, Chris. How old are you? 39.

Oh, it's just starting. It's my Jack Benny birthday. My dad took 45 minutes last night trying to get out of a Jack Benny story. It wasn't even a story. It was, do you know who Jack Benny is? My answer was sort of, I've heard of who he is. And it was, well, every time he had a birthday, he would just say he's 39. but it took him 45 minutes to get that thought out.

The American violinist? Yeah, Jack Benny. Is there another Jack Benny? Dead or alive. And then actually several people dead. Several people did say, are you actually 39? Because that's what people say. People say you're 39.

Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Oh, sweet treats? Sweet treats. Holy Toledo. You're going to eat them or are you going to like pass them out? Depends on what they are. Player?

One of those guys. This is like an unboxing right now. What was dessert last night? Princess cake. Ooh. Say something. Marsa pan. What's the princess cake?

Marzapam? Yellow inside? Yeah. Marzapan. It's yellow inside? Marzapam. Yeah. What's marzipan?

It's the most delicious thing ever. Okay. What color is it? Uh, cream. So yellow cake and cream? Yeah. I wouldn't say it's like, don't drop that shit.

All right. Guys, this is outstanding. Who wants some sweet treats? Oh, nice. I'll take the big cookie. Okay. And then... Okay, good choice.

Yeah, get on in there with some... Choice. What do we have here? Hmm. What is this? I'll take a French Rollo, Shadow Kyle Long. Is that what this is? I'm okay.

Oh, look at you. Oh, there's something hiding. I got a focus. This opens pretty explosive. Your bio genome or whatever? Well, microbiome. Microbarium. What I said.

I know. All right. Hey. I'm glad you guys are having a good time. I got to talk about collusion. Hard-hitting journalism. This open's going to land me strangled in the front seat of a sedan outside the league office.

You guys are eating fucking pastries. What's going to be the... What a Roger Goodell's thugs is going to find me? What's going to be the... What's going to be the... Should we start a GoFummi for Pablo for some extra security? Yeah, maybe. For like the next few months.

I know, but like, but like honestly. Like what if he did get like beat up? That's what he was joking. You thought about saying murdered, but he's. No, I don't think they would murder him. But like, I just think because like. Just rough him up real good. Well, it's just that nothing has really been like nothing's happened yet.

Yeah. So like, but like the warning like, if you keep talking, like what if he showed up on screen? With a black guy. I fell down the stair. What was the actor who just did that? What was the actor that he's seeing the game with him? Eli, Musk.

No. Late night. Yeah. Jay Leno. Remember when they seen him? I fell down the hill. Yeah. We went back and forth on that because I think it's totally plausible that he fell down the hill.

He could have fallen down the hill. Bro. That's exactly how it would have been somebody look like when he fell down the hill. You cannot get a black eye from falling down the hill. Absolutely you can. Maybe. Like, I fucking do the corner of the banister into your orbital bone? Bro, but if you're falling down, you would have to hit the top part of the banister for that to happen.

Think about it. Yeah, he hit the whole way down. He might have fallen down the hill, but someone was dragging him face first. Why are you laughing? This is serious shit. That's a bored too. It is. Okay.

Hopefully Pablo will be safe. Segway into more serious shit. And again, like, everything that I'm about to talk about is, is information that is available to me because of Pablo Torre, because he found out. So shout out to Pablo and shout out to Mike Florio, who has a reputation of, of digging up bones. Mike Floreo loves to do a little investigative journalism. I'm not the investigative journalist type, but if I read some interesting shit, I'm going to report on it.

unlike a lot of the media at large that covers our game right now okay um here's the deal this is where we are um if you all watch my interview with pablo tore a couple of weeks ago now i think it was like 10 days ago or something like that it was a slow news day and you know nolan sends me this youtube it's like check this shit out and it's pablo troy finds out and it's him and mike florio and they're talking about a 61 page document that was shrouded in mystery but now has been made available to media outlets and players and fans alike and the contents of it are explosive okay so if you've seen the interview i'm sorry i'm going to try to set the stage for the newest developments okay the epicenter of this whole thing is 2002 it's DeShan watson getting a

two hundred and thirty million dollar five-year record guaranteed bag okay and everybody's like what the fuck and there are undertones of like what are the owners going to think about this yada yada yada we also have three quarterbacks who negotiated contracts that very same year kiler murray russal wilson and most famously lamar jackson who had been angling for guaranteed money right so what you have is um you have the nfl p a filing for arbitration soon after a march 22nd meeting uh that was attended by roger goddell uh the the the the NFL management council. Jeff Pash is involved. That's Roger Goodell's general counsel. And this meeting, which follows the Deshawn Watson bomb, is aimed at least in part in throttling down these guarantees,

right? Like there are emails in this document that detail Roger and his general counsel discussing, hey, we've got it, we've got to set a tone where, and I'm paraphrasing here, these guaranteed contracts are not being doled out. And you get to the league meeting and the NFL's management council which the existence of said council is is a little bit weird to me in the first place right um these guys yeah i've heard owners say hey that's crazy to think that i could call jerry jones and tell him what to do but everything that was found out in this document kind of goes counter to that including there's an NFL management council it's like guys we're going to get on the same page and do things the same way which is we are not giving out guaranteed contracts okay

and it's something a players have been angling for a long time, right? We're the sport that probably has the weakest union. It's the hardest for us to mobilize and do anything as a group. Our contracts are the least friendly, like when you compare to like baseball and basketball and that sort of thing. I'm not as familiar with the PA in hockey or the CBA in hockey, but we've got it probably the worst out of the four major sports when it comes to mobilizing our population and the contracts that we receive.

So the NFLPA says, hey, we need arbitration. We don't like what happened at this meeting. We don't like what happened in the wake of the Deshaun Watson contract and these other quarterbacks negotiating their contracts, not getting guaranteed money. The arbiter is Chris Droney, and that arbitration process took forever and concluded January of 2025.

Not long after the agreement, Lloyd Howell comes into play in this story as the new director of the NFLPA. He followed D. Marie Smith. He's the one who broke the news to a bunch of player reps telling them, hey, arbitration kind of came up dry, didn't tell them much about the process, didn't divulge details, kind of kept them in the dark, and in fact, blamed D. Marie Smith for the fact that the arbitration came up empty, right? And that really wasn't the case. And until Pablo Torre busted the doors wide open and showed us his 61 pages of, of fuckery,

like nobody knows what's going on, right? Including the players. There's a lot of players that were negotiating those deals that had no idea this was going on. And it's not just the quarterbacks. It's everybody. The whole union. They don't know what's going on. Okay.

Which is crazy to me that you got this smoking gun, the contents of which in this 61-page document include owners texting each other, reinforcing the thought process of, hey, we're not going to give out guaranteed contracts. You got Bidwell texting Spanos in the wake of Kyler Murray's contract, which did not include guaranteed money. And Dino, as Bidwell called him in the text correspondence, is excited. He's like, this is going to help us with our quarterback next year when we negotiate with Justin Herbert. You know, there is Baltimore implicated. There is Denver implicated. It's messy.

There is detailing of a shadowy process wherein D.M. Marie Smith is succeeded by this Lloyd Howell guy. And it's a shadowy process. Nobody really knows about the process, which kind of seems weird on the surface. Like usually you're able to vet these candidates and that sort of thing. They kind of ushered him in. Now, this is where J.C. Tretter comes in. J.C. Tretter is the president of the PA, right?

He's the player president. but he's cut by the Brown so he can no longer be the president of the PA and at that point there's this shadowy process and it appears to be a quid pro quo wherein uh lloyd howell enters the picture and then magically comes up with a a new position for j c treter right like so he's kind of grandfathered in and so you've got all this going on you have you have you have you have collusion you have an undermining of the process which i i would think would be a very abnormal process with the NFLPA and leadership. And the CBA states the members of the executive committee and player reps have the right

to receive copies of all arbitration rulings. And that's happened in the past under D. Marie Smith and others, right? Like after arbitration, you're able to see what happened. Once we turn over the rock, the players get to know what happened too. But in this case, all we got from Lloyd Howell allegedly was, hey, sorry it didn't work out and it's D. Marie Smith's fault. But this 61-page document would be very useful to a lot of players that were negotiating at the time and that will be negotiating in the future.

And June 2025, that's when Pavel O'Torri gets a hold of this document. And more explosive stuff came out this morning and yesterday that's prompted me to speak on it more. The thing that came out this morning was that Lloyd Howell is involved with a private equity firm. that private equity firm is called the Carlisle group he's a consultant okay this is one of three private equity firms that if you remember last August the NFL granted permission for private equity firms to buy into NFL franchises up to 10% as minority owners right so this is like this is a very opaque relationship with Lloyd Howell and a private equity firm there is a there's a conflict of interest written all over this.

This is crazy. And we knew this a couple weeks ago, that Lloyd Howell was the CFO at Booz Allen, which is a group that was embroiled in a scandal that resulted in a record government fine of 375, 377. Let me not short this, a million dollars for overcharging by the firm. So this guy's got a checkered pass.

They usher him in, you know, under the cover of darkness. There's a quid pro quo going on. And now the NFL, and the NFLPA have entered into a confidentiality agreement in the wake of the arbitration findings, in part to protect J.C. Treter, in part to protect Lloyd Howell. But I don't even think we know in actuality what all the reasons are that they entered in this confidentiality agreement.

I think we'll find out more later, and I think we're seeing the tip of the iceberg, just from where I'm sitting. It's shady, man. And so, you know, we've got a petition on change.org for Lloyd Howell's job. As of Tuesday night, the NFLPA has decided, Lloyd Howell has decided, hey, we're going to appeal this. This isn't right. We're going to appeal this. Something's not right.

Somebody did something here, and we're going to find out. That's what Lloyd Howell said. I think Lloyd Howl's days are numbered, and I think they should be. And so I think there's a couple things that are really confounding about this whole thing. And if there's anything that you didn't catch there, go watch Pablo Tori finds out his show with Mike Florio. It's got over 100,000 views. You're going to be able to find it on his channel. It's a couple weeks ago.

I don't want to appear to be. I got some texts after I had Pablo on the show that were like, man, thanks for being brave. Thanks for covering this. Like, you're one of the only guys I've seen cover this. And I don't know why it takes any courage to cover it. Like, number one, I covered it because it was a fucking slow news day. but number two, because it reads like we're being gaslit. It reads like NFL players are being gaslit.

And it's crazy. First off, the arbiter coming out and saying, we don't really have hard evidence of collusion. Like, that doesn't sit well with me. There are text messages, right? And I know that there are varying legal hurdles that you have to clear in civil cases and criminal cases, and I'm no legal scholar.

But to me, there's enough smoke here that we should be, looking at the fire and we should be talking about the fire in the media in sports media we should be talking about the fire i shouldn't be getting a text that says like hey thanks for covering that because nobody else is like that's fucking nuts to me i'm not a hero for talking about this this is just like holy shit this thing comes across my desk i'm in i'm in Vegas for the saxon and i got nothing to talk about it's easy and i'm looking around and i'm wondering like why is it nobody's talking about this and so that's really confounding to me and and and it's not confounding a way that I don't know why they're not talking about it.

I know why certain people aren't talking about it. Certain people aren't talking about it because they're bought. And I don't mean this in like a way that they've engineered this issue. They're just not allowed to talk about this issue because they have too many direct connections to the NFL. That's one of the best parts about being a moderately successful podcast that doesn't have any bosses. Like I don't have anybody telling me in the morning what I can and can.

can't say. So for me, this is easy. And I hope that this conversation has had more publicly on other networks and on other platforms. And it's got to happen in a hurry because the one thing that's important to note here is, you all know how this works. Court of Public Opinion, the heat that's put on a league, the heat that's not put on a league. As of July 25th, teams are going to report to camp. And we're going to be glued to our TV watching one-on-one pass rush on the NFL network. We're going to be eating the slop. And I will be too. I'll be in the front of the chow line, as I always said.

And in the beginning of September, we're going to be watching whoever opens the season and the whole country is going to be huddled around the TV. And we're not going to give a flying fuck about some information rich 61 page document that, quite frankly, is probably over a lot of people's heads, including mine. I had to work hard to understand this thing in its entirety. So, like, the time to cover it is now. And if you used to play and you're a member of the meat. like the fact that you're not even covering it like that kind of that's it sits a little sideways to me

okay and the other thing is this there's a lot of players who were affected by this and didn't even know it there are guys that as of time of tape with me and pablo tori supposedly were involved in this 61 page document and had not been reached out to by the union so like they the union didn't even reach out to him and say hey here's what happened or here's what's going on They were just in the dark. They were in the dark, and then they were in the dark some more. And so players, like, I know that not every player's the type of player that wants to throw the first stone, right? Like, and stand out there alone and take this thing on.

And I don't know exactly what the lever is that needs to be pulled right now. But it is business, man. And where we are in society and where we are as a league and sports fans and athletes is like, there's kind of a mirror situation here where it's like Joe fan walking down the street is going to side with the billionaire over the millionaire. And I think that's reflective in society as well where like suddenly we we side with the corporations, not the people, not the labor forces, not the every man. Like we act like we're all about the every man, but we're actually, we're going to de facto

side with the employer. And I wouldn't call the NFL the oppressor because I wouldn't call making millions of dollars to play game being oppressed that's not it but it's a business and players need to be reminded that every time y'all do something to void your contract or you get hurt or you don't play well and there's a crack in the door where the NFL can fuck you they're going to fuck you your team is going to fuck you and this is me saying like don't be a team guy don't appreciate the opportunity you have there's an effort when you're a player to kind of remind the player,

hey, protect the shield, man. This game is bigger than you. It's the biggest game in America. You have a great opportunity. The whole thing, I'm not saying those things aren't true, but this is a business. It's a business for the NFL when it comes to you. It should be a business for you when it comes to the NFL.

And business is adversarial. Business is about leverage. Corporations, they try to have leverage over their workforces. the minute you have leverage, you have to take advantage of that. And I don't know what the lever is. I don't know if it's a quarterback saying, hey, I'm not playing unless I get my guaranteed bag. That would change everything.

I don't know if it's a bunch of players filing a class action lawsuit. I'm not a fucking lawyer. But I am a guy who is literate and can read. And I'm a guy that used to play in the NFL. And to me, it just doesn't sit right that we have this great opportunity. And number one, the media is not talking about it. And number two, we have the weakest union in pro sports. And number three, the weakest union in pro sports isn't just,

isn't just toothless anymore. Like, that's not what it is. They're actively working against us. So you don't have to be Che Guevara or some fucking revolutionary to want to do something about this. You just have to be a businessman. So what's the, like, hypothetically, say if you're still playing, you were making the money that you were,

you're a big contract guy, and say if you were in this document and like you find out later that you were maybe, you missed out on maybe making an extra $15 million. Like an asbestos commercial or whatever it is. You might be entitled to a class act. That's a filialioma. Yeah.

So what if you and the six other guys, exactly. So like if you and the six other guys or however many guys were affected by it, what would be your first step, especially when it's right now, you're getting ready for camp, you're trying to get your mind right for a season, or wherever it is,

maybe you're a guy you just read up or you're about to re-up, so it's something that you're already thinking about this. I don't wanna make it sound easy. Yeah, because I don't know the solution, right? Like, here I am like, hey, here's a problem and I don't have the solution. Well, that's better than most outlets are doing right now.

Like, most outlets aren't even making you aware of the problem. Like, we're telling you what's going on. And I'm not saying I know what to do next. What I would say is this, under the current leadership, you're not being represented. And that's the key thing is like, hey, number one is do no harm, right? Like, and Lloyd Howell is doing harm. The guy made $3.5 million his first year with the NFLPA.

And he's got all these side projects. Bords. Huh? You need to get on some boards. Yeah. Cutting them $300,000 check. Hey, fuck boards. Except for my board at the Chris Long Foundation.

I love those folks. What does that pay? Nothing. We're doing it for charity. But the whole deal is like, number one, the leadership has to be right. And so I assume players are handling that internally right now. And I hated if a player saw this and was like, motherfucker, we're already doing something about it. Well, good.

Do something about it. But then the next step is, who's going to be the one to stand out there and take the arrows and say, hey I ain't playing unless the money's guarantee because I'm good enough to do that there's a couple of players in our sport that are good enough to do that and is it unfair to ask those players to be the ones yeah maybe maybe um but something has to happen and it's got to happen soon right because this story is going to get eaten up it's going to get eaten for lunch once we've got like lions Vikings week three or whatever like we have we have a game this month dude we have it's 56 days until the NFL season

until the season but we actually have a game this month i'm on some of those posts today in philly it's kind of cool you know you know you get your day where they're like hey we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna run some old highlights of this guy because we're 506 days so i'm enjoying my day but um one of those guys that holds a lot of leverage to me is lamar jackson i don't want put anybody like on the spot where it's like got to be him but after 2026 he has a potential out there's no tag clause um you know his guaranteed money's up so he'd be a candidate in my mind again i don't mean to put too much pressure on one player and here's the thing chances are nothing happens how's that how's that no but i mean if you if you're out there

and you're listening and your player i don't think anything's going to happen and i'm not daring you or teasing you or like or or challenging you i'm just saying like a simple math like 70% of the NFL voted at all on the last CBA. This is not a highly tuned in population right now. If it were a lot more guys that I've been texting and say, have you heard about this? Would have heard about this. It's rare that I text somebody. I've texted a few people over the last couple weeks to say, bro, because I feel crazy.

I'm like, wait, is there something I'm missing? So let me ask you this. Do you think that like if you were playing, are you talking about like current guys or guys who are done, like, retired players. Current guys, for sure. Yeah. I mean, do you feel like even if, like, you were at the end of your career or middle of your career, like, that if you've seen this, like, that, how much would

you indulge into it to, like, to, yeah, like, do you feel like you would be, like, you're saying, like, right now it's hard for you to see, like, guys not really making a big deal about it. But if you were in those guys' shoes, like I'm saying, like, getting ready for camp, how much of a deal, like, do you think you would be making of it? or you would be like doing it. Well, number one, I think the players need to be educated on it. So usually that's the union's job.

That's the PA's job. But they obviously like, and here's another thing. You talk about like an arbiter found that there was no collusion. Well, I don't trust that. That's an arbiter that was selected by the NFL PA who we discovered all this about. Right. And the NFL who certainly doesn't want the players to have a fair shake. So hopefully the appeals process yields something.

And I think we have to wait and see on that. But the number one thing, collusion or not, like just the involved, in a private equity firm on the low ski is probably enough to get Lloyd up out of there, dude, and J.C. up out of there for everything that we found out. And then get a guy in that actually has the player's best interest at heart. Like, D. Marie Smith was more of a fighter. Yeah. Right? And sometimes he, you know, he got a rep of he was a little bit too, uh, he was, he was a shitster. He like to go back and forth with, with Roger Goodell. Yeah. Um, and I think what probably happened is the players would would ultimately feel like he was for them

hopefully but Lloyd Howell comes in and I think he's more just like hey I'm I'm good with the corporations like I can massage this yeah I don't know that it was straight like hey we're gonna hide this for a while because we know why we're hiding it I think he was like let me buy some time and and and I'm I'll figure this thing out like let me talk to them kind of thing like thought he could do it himself and I think more than anything he probably is seeing dollar signs he's putting the profitability of the league lord Lloyd you ain't slick he's trying to buy a team he's trying to get in no we'll just get him get him out of here like I don't know this is this is business bro yeah it's business at the end of day and that's my point is like I think it's a sad state of affairs in this country

and in this and you know with everything around this league where you got a population who's uninformed generally I think that's that's you know that mirrors society at large. Yep. Right? You got a population who's going to need your side with the billionaires.

They're going to side with the corporations. They're not really going to side with the laborers. They're not going to side with the people. And in this case, it's harder to get people

to want to side with the laborers because they have seven figures on their check when it hits the direct deposit, right? So it's really hard to feel sorry for people that are making millions of dollars.

I get that. But doesn't tie go to the millionaire, not the billionaire? And isn't this about a workforce, right? And the money's there, dude. That's the thing that's crazy to me. People are going to act like when players do something about this,

that it's an existential crisis to football and it's selfish, and they're going to be flying into a headwind. Because consumers only care about what's on TV this Sunday. Absolutely. And we have, again, the weakest union, and we are probably the toughest group to mobilize because we don't have leverage. where we can say,

how I'm a sit out for a year? If you're a great basketball player, you can do that. You can do that. If you're a football player, you sit out for a year, average career is three years. But I think about a guy like me.

Like, I was on the fringe guy. I was an undrafted free agent. Like, even when the lockout happened, and we were, we didn't start, we started a month late that one year.

Yeah. It's just one of those things that if that carried on and they were like, hey, whatever guys want to come in, I wasn't in a situation to be like, you, I can't go in.

No, and that's the point. That's why the leaders. Exactly. It's too many guys, but like you got to think about it. There's probably only what, like, if you talk about it like that, what? There's seven on certain teams, seven to maybe 12 guys where like you're really thinking about big money checks or contracts where this is like directly maybe going to affect you. Well, I mean? What the question directly is who can swing the leverage?

Exactly. And there's only on every team how many guys tops. I don't know. On most guys, there's nobody that can swing the leverage. When you talk about stopping this ship. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And so, like, it's got to be somebody that could really change the game.

And I don't know that anything will happen. Again, like, I'm just more, I'm just more, like, not discouraged because to be discouraged would have had to have been naive. I'm more shocked. I'm just, like, shocked the lengths people are going to to just bury this by just opting out of it. Who gives a fuck? It's right there. It's already out.

You're not going to be, Pablo's the one who's going to get Jay Lenoed. Yeah. I was naive in wondering why owners would care to such a degree about limiting guaranteed money. Why not reward good decisions and then bad decisions

like maybe the quarterback in Cleveland would sink an organization. Everybody's out there for themselves. But what the PA is now, alleging under this CBA is that these improperly structured deals like lowering base salaries and inflating bonuses are avoiding paying benefits like accreditation fees and retirement contributions. That's that's the stuff that gets lost in the sauce. There are no more to Sean Watson deals out there. Okay. But when you start messing with

people's money into their retirement, it's a bigger deal. You just have to know who your opponent is yes the NFL is a wonderful thing I hope it lasts forever yes I respect the shield yes I love history yes I feel like I'm a part of something right that that demands my reverence and that sort of thing but at the end of the day it's a fucking business and at every turn in the road when the NFL has a chance to make you the blunt end of that business deal you're gonna be the blunt end of that business deal so somebody's got to do something to pull that lever and I don't know exactly what the lever is but it starts with if you played talk about

the fucking thing unless you're just saying hey if I'd have had maybe if if motherfuckers got guaranteed contracts when they played they wouldn't feel so married to their employers today but but it feels like to me that everybody's just getting the the hush hush in the production meeting in the morning can I dumb it down even more yeah haven't partially guaranteed contracts been the norm like at least bonuses, first year salaries, etc. We're talking more so about fully guaranteed and the Deshaun Watson deals of it all. And I understand the trepidation. But it's really not about right and wrong. Business is not about right and wrong.

It's about leverage. Well and you want your reps going to battle for you not signing super secret deals that we won't talk about what we just talked about. Right. And I'm also wondering what else is going to come out. as time goes on because I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. This is potentially explosive story, gentlemen. Potentially. Hopefully not for this podcast.

You think Pablo's going to be allowed to go to any games this year? If this keeps blowing up, like he tries to walk into a stadium, they're like, hold up, sir. Your credentials aren't valid. I know he's not giving any credentials at Chapel Hill.

I like this environment. investigation a lot more than the last one oh yeah me and ryan clark talked about that we don't go too far into it but uh yeah i've never seen a football coach date a younger woman before or the younger woman medal in his in his football business ever i've never seen that i love it never seen it it's a totally new thing but i still love pablo like that's the thing like like you know do i think he went Big J. Journalists on that a little bit too much, yeah. But I think this is, Pablo can be like a hero, bro. Him and Deshaun Watson.

Yo. I do. I love Pablo. He's a great guy. And he's a fucking great guest. He was great on the show. And, you know, like, listen, all I want is the NFL to be held accountable when they misstep, just like players.

And they misstepped. Can't do that. You can't do that. You can't do. I don't hate Roger Goodell. I don't, I'm not, I'm not like fucking, I'm not like, you know, I think people are going to frame people on this side of the labor disagreement as like Antifa or something, but it's not like that.

It's just like, bro, like what's fair is fair? Wouldn't you think more people would be talking about this? I understand that some people work for the ESPNs of the world and some people work for the CBS of the world and the Foxes of the world and like, but aren't there enough independent content makers that played the game or comment on the game that should be talking about it makes me feel like i'm i'm gonna find something out in two days that like undercuts the entire thing it's like it's like i feel gaslit or they want to be able to run replays on their show oh yeah yeah yeah i got back they don't want to get copyrighted

They already took that away from me. Hey, NFL, if you'll allow me to use game film to grow the game, I'll take back everything I said. And what if you get it? Now, what if you really got an email like, hey, Chris, we could talk about this. Oh, I'll use it as leverage. Because honestly, I feel like that might be a big thing because, like, yo, like, who are we kidding? Like, being able to run replays and doing all that with content, like, that drives, that drive. The NBA allowed the NBA has opened the floodgates.

Yeah. No, because they do it. They do it for. Hey, I would like to grow the game. Exactly. But, but time and time again, the NFL, the NFL owners, Roger Goodell, they have shown that, hey, we're about our bag. We're about the money. Yeah.

Like anything. They like anything. They're not going to let anybody play with them. Hey, any dime bags sold in the park? I want to, we're getting a piece. Yeah, I need a piece of everything. Hey, you guys can make your money. But we're getting a piece.

You're selling. Reggie Miller in the parking lot of M&T Bank Stadium. We're getting a piece. I need $5 on that. Hey, if it's $7, we need five. What's your favorite collusion in world history? Ooh. Collusion, you think, yeah, that's Watergate.

You think it would be more effective, but it's really not. Right. And I mean, that's part of the problem. Has there ever been collusion, like, for the people that it's, like, good? Yeah, like, when guys collude against their wives, like, they tell each other, Don't say you're bringing your wife to this thing. Yeah. You know, we all collude.

Yeah. And then we end up having a guy's night, right? But then there's always one guy that brings his wife. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And that guy. Oh, no, you stay.

Stay. Yeah. That guy's the guy that's crossing the picket line. Essentially. Collusion. I don't know enough collusion. I don't know enough history. I bring my wife everywhere.

And it's not your fault. in the other room you guys didn't bring your wife to this podcast no no sometimes parents collude

against their kids we fucking collude all the time in my house Santa Claus Tooth Fairy yeah Easter Bunny

big collusion I'm kind of just lying I don't Yeah but it's like getting on the same page about the lie right

that's like that's like America colluding coordinated that's like America in like and like shopping and all that colluding us. Yeah,

because like we still like, we still, you're going to go out. We'll call it Black Friday. You're going to go out and buy that toy for your kid. That toy you can buy right now for him, you're going to wait until Christmas and he's going to want this and you're going to get it.

Amazon Prime Day. I'm trying to think of examples of collusion in American society. Right under our nose. Well, Iran Contra. Anybody? Collusion. illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

Best lies you tell your kids. The tooth fairy. That's stupid. I mean, it's got to be like vegetable, you know, you got to eat the vegetables to have dessert, right? That's not a lie, though. True. Yeah.

That's real. Yeah, that's true. One that I got told was, one that's a negotiation. One that I got told was if you turn the. the light on in the car while my parents are driving, it's illegal. They just were annoyed with me. Dude, yeah, I used to, like, and they, you know, they were like, I can't see, I can't see.

Blair. I'm like, bullshit. My light, I'll forget my lights on and I'll drive like 100 miles. You guys were babies. The other one was that the, the hazard lights was like an eject button. Oh, I did that in high school. My mom told me the hazard lights would eject me through the top of the car, and I did not touch that.

I got a few, got a few chicks in high school. I was like, that's a turbo button. You press that and you go fast. Well, that was always, like, you think growing up that that button did way more damage. And then when you learned to drive, you know, your parents was like, oh, just touch that in case anything bad is that in the car. It's like, oh, so it's complete opposite. Totally fine. Well, in black, in like a lot of black households, when it's like thunder and lightning, like, if you're not just like sitting down, like not doing anything, like you run the risk of like making the lights and the power go out.

Oh, you're going to make the power go out. You need to sit down and be still. Well, I don't know what you had going on because you weren't allowed to celebrate Halloween because it was a pagan holiday. That is a pagan holiday. There was a lot of people like that. I just wasn't allowed to trick or treat. I wasn't allowed to trick or treat. All right.

All right. Where are we going next, guys? Well, talking about the NFL and their quest for moneymaking, Netflix put out quarterback, you know, the second season of this quarterback show, a deep dive into three quarterbacks. Jared Goff, Kurt Cousins, and Joe Burrow. the other day all episodes are on Netflix to binge. But a couple big storylines from this season, Kirk Cousin said, quote,

certainly if I had all the information around free agency, it certainly would have affected. He said certainly twice? He did. Whoa, Kirk. Yeah. Big Mississippi State baseball coach thing. Yeah.

It certainly would have affected my decision. Had no reason to leave Minnesota with how much we love it there if both teams are going to be drafting a quarterback high. then he also said if you give someone else the chance if you want to get wally pipped and there's lou garrig behind you that can happen all the time both in talking about my penics envy yeah big panics envy he said uh hey uh listen that's the NFL man you know I there isn't an element when you're like negotiating your deal like you can get caught thinking I'm a vet I'm a good player like you should tell me

but they don't have to tell you right don't have to tell you but is that like as a as a teammate is that different coming from a quarterback the leader of the team like for kirk yeah he's selfish no I don't think he's I think we're all selfish yeah be honest I think we're all so I know like

hey if you're tired and you're in the game and there's a guy on the bench fresh hey go get a blow then I'm a selfish motherfucker because I try to stay out there as long as I could I hear you it's like it's competitiveness like it's your competitive nature. But in definition, in a team sport, that's a little selfish.

That's okay, though. But I think being selfish. But knowing that you- Has a branding problem. But like kind of knowing, like, hey, I know probably 75% if I sit out, this kid is definitely going to take my spot and that's probably going to be better for the team. Then you need to get out of the way?

You really think most people are going to do that? No. So what I'm saying is. is that if he is selfish, he is far from the only one. And I would say, get better, bro. Like the time, get better. Yeah, but it's not always that. It's not always that.

Let me explain why. Okay, let me just explain why. I got you. Okay. When I was, and listen, this was a deal for a year or two at like one, five a year. But when I went to Philly, and I've told this story before, they didn't explicitly say that they weren't going to draft anybody, but it felt like a safe destination.

for a defensive end and I kind of knew what I was getting into. And when your years are numbered in the NFL, you want to find a soft landing spot. You're not 23 anymore where you're like, yeah, fuck it. Whatever happens, I'm going to beat anybody out. You're an aging veteran. It's not as cheap to sign you. They're always going to give nods to the younger guys.

And I went to Philly and I went over to Germany to get stem cell treatment. And I'll never forget, like six hour difference, woke up at the middle of night, took a piss and my phone had 200 text messages. It was the night of the draft. Here I was just thinking, oh, I'm good. They draft the guy who broke Reggie White's record at Tennessee. They drafted Derek Barnett, who turned out to be a really good player, and I love Gumbie. That's my dude.

But in the moment, I was like, man, fuck. Are you kidding me? Like, you're kidding me. You know, like now I'm stuck. In the first round. Now I'm stuck. Yeah, they drafted in the first round. It's not like they draft somebody.

Later in 18, when they drafted sweat, they actually gave me a courtesy call. I was going camping. And they hit me up ahead of times. I don't panic. This kid's going to be good, but it's not like a this year thing. And like, that's all you want to know sometimes, right? And then, you know, you're in a better headspace for that thing. But who am I as a player to complain about that?

I'm a second or third defensive end possibly on a team that I just joined. I'm 32 years old or whatever it is. Is it selfish for me to have wanted to know and to say maybe I would have done something differently? Maybe. was it selfish for me to try to play hurt in 15 on a bum leg? I got a survival instinct when one of my best friends is my backup and I'm still trying to take as many reps as I can as William Hayes, right? But I'm out there trying to play.

Selfishness is survival instinct, in my opinion, in the NFL. There are selfish things in the, here's what's selfish in the NFL. Celebrating somebody else's sack. That drives me crazy. That's selfish. You know that whole thing? Or throwing your hand up for a sack, right? That's what I mean.

When it wasn't you and you run away with your hand up, that's selfish, right? Parking poorly in the parking lot. Michael Bennett used to park poorly in the parking lot. He's one of my good buddies. When he would drive, right? When he would drive, Michael Bennett would take up two spaces. That was selfish. Well, maybe I'll say this.

Maybe I feel like mentally there's different rules and regulations when you're a quarterback. I feel like you affect the game too much. feel like on defense, like a spraying ankle, like I feel like realistically, you can go in there for a drive and get two or three, like 85% to 90% reps, even if you're hurt. Quarterback, I think it's just a different. I got a question. I think it's different. Hey, Anthony Richardson, I'm tired.

Is it selfish to stay in? Bro. Is that the most unselfish thing he could have done? Yeah. To exit the game? For real, yeah. Nobody thinks that way. No, no, they don't.

But realistically, like, you're taught, hey, if you're tired, and that's what I'm saying right now. You are taught if you're tired, you come out. But that's another situation. When everyone's saying that, you're probably not saying that to your quarterback. Run me that quote back, Cowboy. You're probably not saying that to the quarterback or the middle linebacker. I think what's also interesting is the undertone of, like, the locker room dynamic where you know, like, players know. if the question is how quickly did they know that pennix was better?

Oh. Like, I think there was probably internal chatter, like, throughout the year. And especially, like, when that Chargers game came along and he threw, like, three picks or four picks or whatever, he threw some, like, absolute ducks. Yeah. Some ducks. Right, right. And at that point, like, guys on the sideline are like, hey. And it's not out of, like, hey, you suck, Kirk.

No. It's like, hey, man, I got a lot of respect for you, but maybe it's time. But again, it's up to the coaches. to tell you when you're too hurt to go, or trainers, to tell you when you're too hurt to go, and it's up to coaches to say, hey, you're not playing well anymore. No player's gonna be like, hey, I'm not playing well, take me out.

But you think a lot of teams, like, and especially a team like Atlanta, like where the owners kind of do metal, you think that's something that's above the, like, hey, if that kid wants to play, you keep him in. Well, the owner might have a plan, like we don't wanna see Pennix the first two, three months of the season.

We don't wanna ruin this kid, or we have a timeline for him. So Kirk, sorry, but you're gonna be out they're fucking running around on a bum ankle. Yeah. And it is what it is. You're going to be looking terrible. But like we're going to, we're going to hold you,

we're going to skewer you over the fire for two, three weeks until we decided that maybe it's three men or whatever. And he did, to Kirk's credit, and I think this is the second episode of this quarterback TV show, he did send Rahim Morris a voice note saying at the time, hey, I'm not playing good enough. I'd love to talk to you about how I can do better. But like, there was no point of him saying like, hey, sit me for whatever. But he wanted to communicate that.

Like, I know I need to, exactly. Hey, I know those four picks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was in, he sent that message in like week two, and then they kind of went on a run up until week eight or nine. That was a problem. Look at the two bucks games. Like, there were games last year where Kirk threw for like 800 yards over two weeks.

And it was the Eagles game. He had that perfect fourth quarter drive to win the game. But it is Pennik's time. Right. It's been Pennik's time. Can't wait to see him play. this year. I need to give you.

I mean, we saw him play at the end of last year, but I can't wait to see him after a training camp. And one of the most, I'll say this one more time, make, I'm sorry, you hold that for one second? Yeah. But Pennix at the end of the year last year, it was so valuable for him getting those reps.

I know, you know, you end up just missing it. But like, wow, how valuable is that getting him game reps so he can build off of that going into the off season? And there was the last episode, they showed those couple, the last games in current. Cousins was very supportive. He was saying, hey, you play great the last two or three games. I think Kirk's a good guy. I think so too. And ooh, ooh, ooh, who said last year, good job drafting a

fucking quarterback. Good job having a fucking, I don't care how high you took him. Nobody's going to be saying, man, we took Pennix too high in two years. Like, they're going to say, thank God we have a fucking quarterback. Like, so you could say, hey, maybe Kirk was the mistake, but Pennix won the mistake. A lot of people fried them for that. Here's a mad lib for you relating to the Derek Barnett selection. The Minnesota Vikings who originally owned the pick who lost starting quarterback Teddy Bridgewater for the 2016 season with a severe left knee injury.

Jalen Rager. Acquired this quarterback in a trade with the Eagles on Saturday and returned the Eagles will receive the pick they used to take Derek Barnett. I know. Was this Sam Bradford? Wait, what year was this? wait hold on a second what year is this Chris said it

I just said it Sammy B Sam Bradford Sam Bradford elevator's and Sammy sleeves Sammy sleeves dude I had some weird

like quarterback friend stuff happened like I was in a hot tub with Nick Foles and then all of a sudden they shipped him to Philly well no we were the only two people

and the water didn't you know yeah yeah but uh but no and then Sam you know seeing Sam

get traded and it's just it was crazy okay credit to kirk a guy who's had some uh hair on his head augmentation sitting for a uh haircut yeah live on camera well for tape oh yeah yeah i love that he brought in his dude and he was like great clips is great i go on the app i see if it's a 15 minute or less wait time i sign up i drive to great clips boom i'm in the chair and he did say he was like it's a little tough sometimes because i don't know who i'm getting i don't know if i you know i go to minis I get used to a person, but they might not be available that time. Well, he brings in his headshot to be like, hey, this is what I want. Can I do something like this?

Yeah, yeah. No, but I, to say, I watched maybe 15 minutes of that thing last night. And I would watch it just because of Joe Burrow. Yeah. Burrow just interests me, bro. He's just like, killer. Yeah, he's a dude. And the shots of the, the, the, the on the, the,

the field stuff and these cameras are incredible i mean it looks fucking it looks like almost unreal yeah um k cameras yeah whatever it is how is the rest of the show it's it it is interesting the most interesting points well jared goff episode one about 10 minutes in right flames you know he he would take a flamethrower to the city of los angeles respectfully but um his relationship with ben jonson and dan throughout the season is incredible to watch like the amount of of times when Dan's like this Green Bay game we're going for every fourth down don't give a shit I'm putting my nuts on the table let's go and it worked out and then the um the stumble play they explained the stumble play where Jared golf stumbled and pretended like he was fumbling and then

he ended up and Ben Johnson actually got that from the Packers in 2023 when love actually stumbled fumbled the ball and then threw a touchdown on the same that's right past a musgrave um so that was really interesting to see just the the in the Texans game that five interceptions game one one piece from this show golfs in the huddle five interceptions but they still got a shot you know to say in it they've got to make a drive since football 2004 for yes and and he goes i want this play he's in the huddle he says i want this play um and he doesn't have a mic up to ben jonson but then ben jonson calls that play it's wasp and he was called and it just shows the cohesiveness of that offense they were on the same point that they both saw hey right now we need to spark this play can get us

there and it did that that that started that that comeback uh but joe burrow you said it freaking he gives off like serial killer psychotic but like just calm in every single shot american psycho vibe dude just perfect white anglo-saxon protestant i thought about that too wos yeah wasp wosp yeah Wasp. Tremendous. It was pretty solid. And, you know, they released it at the perfect time. Beginning of July, what do we need?

We got a couple weeks till training camp. Yeah, let's put out quarterbacks. Let's bury a collusion thing. That'll do it. Actually, we could just rank top five free safeties today, and nobody's going to ask. All right. So check out quarterback on. Check it out.

And speaking of July content and rankings, at Johnny Barks on Twitter tweeted this photo, ranking every quarterback based on how cool they'd be to smoke weed with. I really like this. I like the exercise. I'm pissed and think about it first. Johnny, nice job. So are you-

Max, have you seen this? Yeah, and it's crazy as hell. What's the first thing that stands out? My guys, my two guys are so far at the bottom. Why do they think a God-fearing man like James would lace a blunt? James would never lace a blunt. Like, what is that? Now, I want to say this first.

Like, everything we're about to say, like, I don't know that any of these people smoke weed. Yeah, either. But, like, hypothetically, I would not see James' lacing a blunt. Now, I put Mason Rudolph in the category of will not smoke after some of the people in the circle. Ha! Ha!

Ha! Ha! Ha! ha! But James Winston is not going to be. is not going to lace a blunt. No, no way. I think I prefer my James sober, too. He's great.

He's high on life, dude. He's high on life. I think Kirk Cousins is rated way too low. I think they put Kirk Cousins. So basically, this is a tiering of quarterbacks that you want to smoke weed with. Go up to the top. I'm just going to read the quarterbacks off.

Kirk is right where he needs that. They had under dream rotation, hold your comments to the end. We're going to just go through a dream rotation. Allen Baker Mayfield, Minchew, and Gino Smith. All-time vibes, which I don't know what that means. Joe Burrow, Herbert, Love, Daniels, T. Law, might become your best friend. And I love this section here.

This tier is actually on point. Malik Willis, Justin Fields, Jacoby Reset, and Lamar Jackson. Yeah, I can see that. Chill, but we'll hog the ox. That's Jalen Hertz, Will Levis, Dak Prescott, Drake May, Spencer Radler. and Anthony Richardson. I have Anthony Richardson under

Lungs Can't Handle it. That's a good one. And then keeps asking if we can play Call of Duty. That's Kyle Murray. Gets too paranoid. Chris is in this category. No, not me. Gets too paranoid.

Joe Flacco, Sam Darnold, Bryce Young, Caleb Williams, and Michael Pennix. I don't know where they get that from. I think Pennix would be a lot of fun to smoke with. And then Willen, invite his stupid brother David who will eat all your Oreos. That's that's Derek Carr pretends to

inhale. He's probably you got Tua Jared Goff. He's probably who I wouldn't want. Switch him. He's who more of a Bible thumper. They're a car. Okay. Like then just thinking about smoking wise, I feel like he'll make you feel bad guys. Don't do that to your body. Your body's a temple. I feel like he's one of those type of guy. Would he say that? I think so. Did Jesus smoke pot there's no direct evidence in the Bible. Is there any direct evidence in the Bible?

To suggest that Jesus smoked cannabis, however, some scholars have, in proponents of cannabis use, have suggested that Jesus may have used cannabis-infused anointing oil for healing or that cannabis may have been used in religious ceremonies at the time. Allegedly. Allegedly. Okay.

Continuing down the list, you've got these guys will steal your lighter you got my homes purdy stroud and picket picket definitely stealing your lighter that's where i belong if you're being honest like i think purdy's going to steal your lighter i don't know they just didn't know where to put them sorry my wife won't let me that stafford o'connell and dalton uh we already went through laced and then nightmare blunt rotation they got russell wilson erin rogers dischaun watson and kirk cousins so on my dream tier I actually have

Josh Allen, Baker, Minchu, Mahomes. I think Mahomes would be fucking hilarious. Just to listen to his voice. Just to listen to his voice. Hermit The Frog here. Malik Willis, Burrow, Lamar, James, and Tyrod Taylor.

Nobody mentioned Tyrod Taylor. I mentioned Tyrod Taylor. Tyraud Taylor. Why Malik Willis? Because we could just be like, hey man, you went to Liberty, huh? It's like right down the way. You weren't allowed to smoke at Liberty, were you?

Yeah. And then I have under interesting combo tier would be Josh Dobbs, Zach Wilson, and Aaron Rogers. I actually, they put Aaron Rogers in the hell blunt rotation, but I would like to hear what he has to say. Yeah, it's a good, Zach. Yeah. You know, and then... I think the hell blunt rotation, this is just my tape. Yeah.

I would put Jaden Dangers there because he's like a TikTok dancer type of guy. You don't want to get high. And see a do... With the TikTok dancer? Yeah, like trying to dance and... You think that's what's going to happen? Absolutely. Absolutely.

Have you seen his videos? He loves the day. Nothing against him. But do you think if we're just sitting here like... If someone has the oxen playing a song that he liked, I absolutely do think he would do it. I feel like that's fine. There's too many videos of him on stage dancing and doing TikTok video. I don't want anybody by cranking that soldier boy with...

He might... He probably can really crank that soldier boy really well. I'd be like, come on, man. You weren't even... Yeah. Exactly. So here's where I have better than you'd think. Better than you think. Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, Will Levis, and Kenny Pickett, better than you think. May I interject for a second? Sure. What makes a good smoking weed partner? Well, I'll tell you, I got one that here's here's hell, Mack Jones and Brock Purdy. Is that just an ignored question? Well, no, I'm just trying to tell you through my tears.

I'll tell you when you tell me the person. But who just in your, it's just hypothetical faceless. So here's maybe the worst. Too quiet. Too quiet. Jalen Hertz. Right. Like love Jalen Hertz.

Vives are high. But I would feel so awkward just sitting there smoking with Jalen Hertz because like Jalen Hertz would just be like he would just be hanging out. Well, here's the thing. A lot of those guys, maybe it's a different personality. Maybe it brings out a different person. Maybe he starts being a chatty patty. I have under.

gets a boner Deshawn Watson Oh my God Yeah that would have And then And then I have You are freaking out man This is a good tear

This is Kirk Russ Danny Dimes And Jacoby Brissette You give them some 33% Some of your cheetah piss Yeah And just watch Danny Dimes

Turn into a fucking schizzoid dude The snowsberries Tastes like snowsberry Yeah And then underpasses it too quick as B-Tua. Oh my God. Because he's two seconds at a time.

I would want to smoke with Tariq Hill. I would want to smoke with Tariq because he has no filter. And I can just imagine what type of stuff just runs through his head like if he was high. Yeah, one problem, not a quarterback, but we should do wide receivers. We should do wide receivers.

Wait, what was your hell? Do you have a hell? Do you have a hell rotation, Nate? A hell rotate. Who are the worst? Oh, I didn't mention Stafford. Do you want to be smarter than your smoking weed companion or less smart? More interesting or less interesting?

It's just about compatibility, bro. Let me ask you this. It's the same question as could you ride in a car with the person for 30 minutes? Okay. It's the same question. Okay. Would I enjoy smoking pot with the person? and could we drive somewhere 40 minutes away,

just me and that person in the car? It's the same question. Okay. Here's a question. Yeah. How much does the substance affect the cheering? Like, what if it was who you want to have a beer with? Would it be your same order?

Is that kind of great? I think there might be some outliers there that shake things up. But, like, for the most, I think Aiden O'Connell could delete about 23 beers. Yeah, I'm choosing wisely with Picky. with picking, sorry, certain white guys for beers because it's just one of those things where you guys could get carried away.

And it's, that's fine. But like, some carried away. Like you said, I've watched guys delete beers, like, really fast. And, like, that's a real good time for people. But on the outside looking in, sometimes it's scary. Especially when guys are as big as us and sometimes bigger, that's when it's just like, hey, If this gets out of hand, what are we going to do?

What are we going to do? Like, what's our next move here? That's why we're doing quarterback, man. For the most part, we're okay. All-time quarterback blunt rotation. Jared Lorenzen. Ken Stabler. Cam Newton.

Len Dawson, be up there. Len Dawson. Yeah, fuck yeah. I'd like to have a cigarette with Glenn Dawson. He used to smoke darts at the half. Why all your guys got to be white guys? Well, we said Cam Newton. He said Cam Newton.

I said I agree, Cam Newton. Hey, as a person who's been to a Chris Tableton concert with Trevor Lawrence, I'm not going to put him on all-time vibes. Not to say the vibes aren't good, he's a classic, I'll stay out of the way sort of guy. Yeah, he said he was chilling. No, but I think Trevor would,

he would sit in the room and get the contact high, and I respect that. He looks like he's that guy. If he's not going to hit it, I'll the team camaraderie I'll be here with you guys listen yeah make sure you guys get home safe darno was was cool though he had good vibes well levis had big vibes great vibes yeah where he was sitting over and he was sitting with the people yeah him I wish we hung out with will he wasn't he wasn't sitting with y'all up in the he was sitting with the people yeah he was dancing yeah's

incredible yeah sometimes I think uh he he he was in a rotation before he he He takes the field. Viral video the other day, we had a golf course fight, and it seems like these golf course fights are being more and more commonplace on the internet. But Nick Tarnaski, former NHL hockey enforcer 6-2-225, gave this golfer fair warning before he beats the ever-living. And that's the lead, though. Yeah.

Because, first off, golf course fights are great. because you rarely see blood. You're kind of like, these guys can't fight. But this guy can fight. He played in the NHL. You guys need to get off the golf course. No, now. Pack up, go now.

You don't know what you're doing. My favorite part is the big guy's off camera. So you have no idea what the little guys charging. Fucking told you. You want to know if you're getting ready to fight a guy, here comes a punch. I got it all on record. You all fucking go, guys.

Leave him alone, please. Love him just bang when he punches. The coolest thing. That's the coolest thing. Enough. Enough. Get out. Get out.

That leave it alone gave it away that it's in Canada. Leave it alone, man. Dude, I just... Got it all on record, didn't do it for you? All right, so here's the do. If you're going to fight somebody and his friends are like, I don't know. Like, you know, that's probably a bad sign.

The guy was flapping his gums at this hockey player, and I'm sure he didn't know he was a former professional hockey player, but, like, not alone a fucking enforcer, but like his friends were... He'd go, you ain't tough, and his friend was like, I don't know, he's pretty tough. Like, that's a red flag. And then the thing that came out of this is like,

when I first saw this the guy looks six seven three hundred pounds right because that guy who got mad is tiny um six two two twenty five was his yeah his heightened playing weight can you imagine what it looks like to see an NFL offensive lineman beat somebody up i've seen it yeah it's fucking terrifying like this was i mean it's scary he's a big guy right and he knows how to like grab some cloth and and he's done this before but like you thought you're looking at a big guy there? I mean, that's a pretty big guy. Try seeing fucking... I don't know if it's really not.

Wayne Hunter fights somebody. Okay, y'all might not know who Wayne Hunter is or Kyle Long or fucking Greg Robinson or one of these dancing bears, dude. 6-2-225. That's what 6-2-25 looks like. Maybe he's probably 245 now.

It was clear that the guy who got beat up was being a jack wagon on the T-box. That was clear from... Playing slow. Yeah. He seems also very, very, very drunk. Very, very drunk.

And getting tossed like a rag doll. This is a viral fight, man. This actually owned the internet for a day. So how long would I have to be taken on a T-box for you to want to fight me? I'm not going to fight you on a golf club. I'm not going to fight you. I'm going to drive around you. But how serious is golf that you can't, like, like you said, just skip a hole and maybe go back.

I don't give a fuck about golf. Just get in front of them. That's what I'm saying, but a lot of people. A lot of people, I'm the same way. A lot of people give a fuck about golf. I feel like that's what this ultimately is. Because if you just, hey guys, you know what, we're going to skip this asshole. He's taking too long.

And if we come back and we can get this tea done before the day's over, we'll do it. But when you come back, somebody's going to be on the tee box. That's what I'm saying. It's just like, hey, maybe we'll get it done at the end or we won't. But it's just like, if you guys are getting that mad. Yeah, but also like, what a great opportunity to be in the right and beat the fuck out of somebody. Like, I would love to run into that guy. And that dude, if you watch the whole video, like, you can't get mad at the ex-hockey

player because he did hold his restraint for as long as he did. Fair warning. And he waited until that guy took the first because you couldn't look like a bully. Everyone knowing you are an enforcer. This is what you kind of did for a living fighting. But that guy lunged at you. He lunged that you first. And the first thing all he does is throw him into the pond.

Exactly. He just ushered him into the pond. So great. And then he went to Mike Brain on. him and i think i think when he got ushered into the pond is kind of like when i realized how drunk that guy was because like the way he hopped up and he was just kind of like ready to go i was like too oh he's not snapping they call a liquid courage for a reason yeah you couldn't see until the the the hockey player was pictured in the video because of the way it was shot like he's he's badly outmatched yeah i mean he came down the hill and became shorter and shorter

Supposedly that guy he posted after and he was just like just a small black guy like no biggie. Well, that's the problem. It's just like that to me is like that's a little surprising. And this is this is the hockey gentleman's previous resume. This is what he's done before. He's in the white jersey here. And maybe he was taking something off these punches because he knows. 1,000% he was.

You know he could be. Absolutely. The fact that he's fighting him like in a hockey match and not just. pummeling him on the ground is, I feel like is something. My boy Patty Maroon. Bang.

And screaming bang for all five. He only punched him five times. There's only five bangs. Five bangs. And then the guy posted. And then the friend, the friend, oh yeah, see? It's funny because the friend's like,

just leave him alone. Just leave him alone. Hey man, just leave him alone. That's usually what like a girlfriend or spouse is supposed to be saying. But that's like, but that's like the embarrassed friend that I feel like kind of feels like, hey, hey, bro, you do this a lot and maybe like you had this coming to you. Yeah. And you fucked around with the wrong guy. And I can't even, I don't have the courage enough to even step in here and try to help you. Because he got pushed him one time. Buddy almost teed off on him,

but he was like, no, you get out of here. Pushed him. And then it's just another lesson of why like, just be careful when you fight somebody for a number of reasons, but one being you might be national news effectively. Yeah. Might be a meme, which he has turned into a meme. Do you remember the guy that got beat up by those wrestlers in the bat in the, yeah,

Oklahoma, two Oklahoma college football players. That was pretty satisfying. Dude, he like, even though they were football players, I just love seeing a, a calm guy getting instigated.

Like, I'm addicted to that video on the internet. It's my algorithm is, at least 50% of that. You know, it's that, it's that, uh, it's that street justice that I'm after. There's not be assholes of people. And don't fight guys with cauliflower ears.

Definitely don't fight guys with cauliflower ear. Definitely not. And don't fight NHL enforcers. Yeah. There was a video associated with this picture, but it appears I have deleted it. But I, uh, I was playing the role of guy on the T-box at a Foxfield one year.

Oh, really? Yeah. I held my own. What, you got beat up? Well, by you. I beat you up? Yeah, a little bit. A little bit.

You were, you were fighting everybody. This is you fighting Clint. Yeah, I was just about to say. Oh, me and Clint fought? Yeah, you used to be a big, you actually used to be a big bully back in the day. Not a bully. Yeah.

Not at all. If I had my old, my old phone, Scoop Fest, you were a bully. You mean I was good at scooping people? But how am I going to be a bully scoping other people? But sometimes, like, I was talking about, that were the same size as me.

Look, that was talking about when you delete ears. What do you mean? You, like. So, like, we used to like, guy trying to basically slam but we call the scooping trying to get the your opponent it's a fucking wrestling you like already wrestling no like that's the thing about it when you're drunk you can just no you can just initiate this by just kind of like locking up with a guy whether you want to do it or not you know what i'm saying and then it's just like hey it's scoop fest time we used to we

used to just have like royal rumbles like non-stop bro like it used to just be dudes like flying across that's why where we lived it was called the meat mansion and some people are like yo pause or what is that about it's literally because like there's 10 250 pound dudes and up who the past times include head butting the wall yep putting holes in the plaster or drinking 40 ounces and who caught a raccoon with their bare hands john phil Put a football glove on. Raccoon was knocking our garbage off. I had the window near the porch.

And he was like, Nate, next time you hear the raccoon, he's like, let me know. And the next time I heard the raccoon, it's like, JP, it's down there. He put on a football glove, went out to the garbage, grab this raccoon. I've never heard an animal make a squeal or screech. He shook it and was like, stay out of our garbage. And when I tell you, when I tell you, he put the raccoon down. And this raccoon ran up this tree the fastest I ever seen an animal move. And it never came back.

What the fuck was that? That's what I, that's really when I knew I was like, oh, JP's crazy. I could see JP walking back and be like, got him. I just don't want people to think I was going around beating people up. These are wrestling matches. No, yeah, yeah. central wrestling match. Yeah, but it's still like, it's like forcing someone into a wrestling match.

I'm not forcing anybody into a wrestling match. You know, you are something else. I hope that as you. I wish I had the video. You'll lie like Ochosynco. You got Ocho Cinco talents, bro. He's a lot. I've got a lot in common.

When y'all live there, I hope that there was a, you walk through the door. It says meet mansions, pastime includes. and everything you just oh yeah for sure one time Kyle came over when he was like younger and we like Kyle Kyle was like would got old enough to hang out with his brother but he was still kind of young and like we we were all out hanging out and drinking and Kyle we go back to the house and and and one of my roommates who like to punch holes in the wall started headbutton the wall punch it all's the wall Kyle's like let me do it and comes over boom headbutts are stud Didn't stop them, though.

They still proceeded to headbutt that wall until it was fucked up. And then... We used to... And then JP and his pops, they spat it and put that wall right back together the next day. I was just like, like, who am I living with? We living with a guy and snatch up a raccoon and fix drywall. Fixed drywall. No problem.

Yeah, he's one of a kind. But then we used to... Do you remember at the Fred? We used to bong 40s off of the third story. we'd get a bunch of like 40 bon or we get the beer bong materials and like make it like a 20 foot bong man somebody go up top it was just meat head stuff dude all the time i watched chris my one of my first times going out of uva i watched chris let another fellow freshman we were new a female be like you can't chug that and he was like who and i watched chris chug a peppermint

peppermint schnops bottle to almost a bar. That was after a bottle of 99 apples. Bro. To a barcode. And like honestly, at that time, I don't think I've ever seen like, like, other than like in movies, like I've never seen anyone drink like that. And then like be okay. Like be somewhat okay.

Well, I'll tell you how my night ended up. No. Yeah, no. You, you ran out. You ran out. Somebody said, I saw you on JPA last night, which Jefferson Park Avenue. I said, I was nowhere of the sort. You just ran out of the woods.

They said I ran out of the woods. So that night, you ran. The funny thing is, when we were at the fridge, you just ran, you ran outside, and you ran into the darkness. And I just remember, I remember. You didn't see me again. Bro, I remember C-Dirt being like,

he's all right. He does this all the time. Or just like, because he's being like, yo, where's he going? And C-Dir was like, yo, he's grown. Like, he's all right. He's 23.

He's, Oh, good times, Joe. Jason that raccoon. Yeah, I'm chasing that raccoon. Oh, here's a fight. Here's a fight. There's a history, man. There he is.

Right here. Bing, Bing. I didn't punch him on camera. You were there a second ago. Yeah, I punched somebody. Not Steve Smith. No, I didn't punch Steve Smith, but there you are. Don't do that to me.

I'm just saying, you are. You are smarter than that, though. I think he'd whip your ass. Steve Smith? Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't go after him. But like, I don't think of. No, I respect Steve Smith.

Steve Smith's one of my favorite players. I grew up a Carolina Panthers fan. Who's this? You can see in the video you're clearly staying away from him. Like, no. You got the hockey hole. Yeah. Who's this guy here, 67?

He did it. He did it. Well, yeah, because. Lame. Somebody was messing with Robert Quinn. Me being such a bully. They were bullying Robert Quinn. You know?

I'm standing up to the bullies. who's 20? Yeah, he got your back. Was that right? No. Next time a bully comes up to you, I'm just going to let him bully you. I'm just going to let you get beat up. You would never.

Here you are early. 91. Here comes the cross right after the fucking, yeah. So anyways, they got ejected and they threw beer cans at me. You flicked off the whole crowd? Well, that's allegedly, but I didn't. According to Nate, probably. you were just of sex

was the middle third quarter and you had five points again well yeah no every game bro I don't know what the fuck he said to me who is that scora gami five to 17 and then and then we ended up

and then I ended up in the locker room with Lesneed it was just me and Lesneed look at this guy like get out of here who was that who said something to you they were just all celebrating because I got kicked out there's Greg Hardy he's like

11? Is that 11? No, I'm on Panthers yeah 11 he's like that wasn't real smart or something like that and I, you know, like one of those like, hey, buddy. So I ended up in the locker room with less need.

It was just me and less need watching the game at the end. Oh, Greg Hardy-staining. I punched a locker too. I thought I was like, fuck, did I break my hand? You idiot. Cam Newton getting hyped on your other. Yeah, Cam. Fucking.

Super bad. Look, they were all bullying him. Look, me and Dunbar and Sims and Langford, we were a bunch of dogs, though. Wow. Wild dogs. Eleven, who was talking to you, was Brenton Burson.

Yeah, well. What was he saying? 6-3 receiver out of Wofford. What? There's the, oh, wow, did I? I love your foundation, Chris. Is that the punch? The got you kicked out?

How much did you get fined? I don't remember. Oh, friendly fire? Look like Stewart hit you in the back of the head. He probably did. Yeah, is that guy with the dreads? I punched the guy with the dread. Oh, he's trying to stop you from throwing a punch.

Yeah, I punched him with the dreads. Oh, it's too late. You already got kicked out. Is it Darien Stewart? That's Darian Stewart, the legend. Yeah, Broncos' legend. So here's my hefty ass walking out of the stadium, and they start throwing beer cans out of me.

That's a great Kairon, though. It's an all-timer. Ejected from game. Hey, and there's our security guard, Steve Miller. Not Steve Miller from the Steve Miller band. That's Steve Miller. Look, there is. And so I point to be like, hey, get him out of here.

Still shot of me pointing. Will Brinson, who I'm not. cool with writes an entire article about how I flipped the bird it's a lie that was that is a quick you should write for CPS this is good hand yeah that that is a quick cameraman to grab that 17 to 5 look at event staff events I was like yeah I'm gonna try yeah try to get him I saw it too but bro that hurt my heart because I grew up a huge Panthers fan I've been in that stadium with my face painted as a child I used to get the cheerleader calendar and everything, bro.

Like, I was a huge panther's fan. And then they had your face painted. They hated me. They hated me. Yeah, I had my face painted again. Ooh, look at that walk. Boy, oh, boy. Man, see, me and Steve Smith are cool.

We're cool. Steve Smith is like, don't try that shit with me. Chris Long. What did you say? He's probably, he's like, don't try that shit with me. white boy at the end. A little point right here. See?

And look. I'm probably laughing at him. That's such a great Cliffender to end. I love Steve Smith, bro. He's one of my favorite players growing up. Chris Long poked Steve Smith in the eye. Yeah, right.

Adrenaline could have taken you to a little malice at the palace situation. Yeah, that's a long walk to the tunnel. Yeah, beating up people in the stands. Speaking of malice. in the palace we might have a great guest for the people next week oh that's a dynamite fucking drop in we wrap the show here wait yeah tune in see you next week take care see you next week