Green Light with Chris Long - Nick Foles! Eagles 2017 Super Bowl, Carson Wentz & Retirement! Jahan Dotson, Green Bay Trip & BETMGM!

Episode Date: August 23, 2024

A great episode with some incredible news - BETMGM IS GREEN LIGHT'S PRESENTING SPONSOR! Chris talks about his excitement for the fall and for our partnership with BetMGM. We also detail the Jahan Dotson trade and give you all the final recap on the Green Bay leg of our NFC North trip. Then it's time Nick Foles joins Green Light! The 2017 Super Bowl MVP relives best moments from that year and reviews film from the historic game. Nick talks about his recent retirement announcement, his new clothing brand 'Dad Szn' and his relationship with Carson Wentz. (00:00) - Intro (4:03) - GREEN LIGHT X BETMGM (12:37) - Jahan Dotson Traded to the Eagles! (25:12) - Final Recap of Green Light's Trip to Minnesota and Green Bay (39:59) - Nick Foles On Eagles 2017 Championship Run, Carson Wentz & Retirement Want your Green Light Merch so you can look exactly like Chris and the fellas? Hit the website below and get kitted! https://stores.kotisdesign.com/yotehouse/products Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Send any Talent Search submissions to: [e-mail] Include any video of your talents, takes and bits as well as a little bit about yourself. Love hearing from the Green Light fans. Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. https://paddleva.com/ Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgxWFAA-wuB7osdiAJyLOcw Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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$1,500 first bet offer today. If somebody wanted to build a, or write a QB headstone for you, what's the most honest assessment of your career? Because your career is so unique. You know what? I think one of the greatest compliments I had was from O. Lyman in Chicago. I remember I stepped into the huddle and I said certain things that calmed the huddle. We went down, players made plays, scored touchdown, get the two-point conversion, win the game.

that O. Lyman came up to me after the game and said, man, I don't know what you did, but like you were able to calm the entire huddle in a chaotic situation and let us just play ball and not think about anything else. Like, thank you. So I don't know what you put on a headstone, but that was one of the greatest compliments. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. You know who the guest is today. You saw Nick Foles.

And I bet you can guess what the conversation entails. A whole lot of 2017 Philadelphia Eagles. Chris and Nick reminisce about that time. Their Super Bowl win, the plays that got him there. And of course, the decision to call Filly Filly, Filly. Nick actually runs us through a few plays from the Super Bowl, Filly Filly Filly Included. And then the fellas just talked.

They talk retirement. Nick's a kindergarten flag football coach now. He's just enjoying life with his family and trying to run a hat business. Dad season. Check him out. They got great fits. But an awesome conversation. Enjoy it.

Listen to it. Just two former teammates hanging out and having a good time. To start the show, it's a big announcement. We're BetMGM partners. We're using the BetMGM app. We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about the Jahan Dotson trade to the Eagles, what that means for the NFC East.

And we're going to put the finishing touches on our Green Bay trip. We're going to tell you guys how enjoyable it was, how much fun we have. Make sure to pop over to YouTube to check out some cool stuff we've got going on. Bo's going to put up a butter breakdown later this week. Y'all enjoy. Please rate review. Give us like, subscribe, all that good stuff. Thanks for reading out of you.

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I'll walk out of that store with some merch, with some product. Okay, so anyways, that's a big announcement. I also wanted to go through the season real quick for people. that consume this podcast in the past, that are planning to consume this podcast this fall. Listen, if you're just here for Nick Foles today or you just showed up for the Vikings or Green Bay last week and you're sticking around, please continue to stick around. I can promise you that we're going to bust our ass and give you some of the most accurate analysis, some of the most well-thought-out analysis in the game because we got a great team here.

And this is my life. this is what I do in the fall. Like so many media members, I live and breathe this thing, but I also have a great team around me. And we're working around the clock. We cover all the teams. We're going to be doing our review every Monday. We're going to be doing a college football-centric show, midweek, review Monday night football. That's going to come out on Wednesday. Any items that kind of pop up through the week, that's going to be a Wednesday. And then I, I'll see, Obviously, Friday, we're going to have our preview show because every week we're going to have a lot to talk about with what's coming up on the Sunday slate. So you have an idea of who's going to be on these shows.

Okay. On Monday, it's going to be myself leading the charge with Dr. Fax and Bo on Zoom. 1 p.m. 1 p.m. Eastern. We're live on YouTube. Live. And so, you know, that means you're going to get it, you know, off the top of the dome. You're going to be stream.

it's going to be stream of consciousness. What do we see on Sunday? And into Sunday night, listen, like, I do pride myself on that show. I feel like we prep as hard as anybody. I can honestly say that we get a look at pretty much every game. And there might be a few that we kind of gloss over and catch up on later in the week.

But if you are a football fan of a team, we are going to talk about your team on Monday in some capacity. And hopefully we will be informed and tell you something you don't, know yet or give you a tangent that might be something you haven't heard somewhere else i promise you that so our live show is going to be on monday we've got stamford steve joining us as is tradition with makin midweek um if you're wondering why making can't do the monday show megan doesn't really watch all the games on sunday he has like kids and another job so like we give him time to catch up during the week so don't ask me why this person is

on this show. We really did think this thing through. You know, so we get our Stanford Steve making combination midweek, which is magic. And then late in the week, we're going to get our preview show. And the guest is going to be TBD. I am working on somebody that can come on every week and break down tape with me, look ahead to the Sunday matchups. But even if we don't have somebody weekly, I will try to get somebody in with regularity who can help color in the lines with me. But that Friday show is a big preview show. And there will be gambling. We'll be going through a lot of the lines, the totals, you know, some of these teasers that, you know, I like to put in.

We'll be discussing those late in the week. So you get your review. Then you get a midweek kind of chill sesh with Macon and Sanford Steve talking college football. And then late in the week you get more exes and those looking ahead to Sunday's slate in the preview show. So three a week. buckle up try to consume as much content as you can there's also we're going to be going to be plenty of content you know outside just our audio show and yeah we've got bow breaking out content on youtube i'll be doing some break you'll be doing some stuff you know we'll be having plenty of

some betting yeah and and for anybody listening on audio and i i love you all you are the ogs of the show you know in the beginning we we started out to make this a podcast on a tv show but nowadays like this show any show is going to be on youtube and I think when you consume our YouTube, I'm going to make a cognizant effort to not bore the audio people with some of the more visual breakdowns. You know, you don't need to be sitting there listening to me talking about the minutia of what happened frame to frame in a play on audio. So if you're just doing audio, that's great, but you will miss things that will have visual

cues and I think like the video stuff even though in the beginning I was like what the fuck I'm doing a podcast why do we have all these cameras in here you know I like listening to podcast now I got to open my phone or my my TV and watch somebody talk we can do a lot of things on YouTube that we can't on audio so not everything you you see on YouTube is going to end up on audio so if you're an audio listener be sure to head over to the green light pod YouTube this fall because we will be doing a lot of visual stuff, a lot of film breakdowns, that sort of thing. So check us out. Tell a friend, get ready for the football season.

It's coming. And we'll be busting through the door here in a couple weeks with BetMGM by our side. Today we have a huge guest. I said you did there. I really didn't mean to do it that way. All right? But he's a big guest. I mean, it's the Super Bowl MVP, quarterback.

I said this to him during the podcast and you'll hear him. me tell him but the thing i love about nick is he never changes he's the same damn guy he really is and it it's nice when when he's a damn good guy and you're like hey i like him just how he is when i met him in st louis in 2015 when he came over in the bradford trade you know things were not good he talks about this in the interview like they were calling him pick foals in the stands like that was fucked up i don't know if he knows that but he didn't play his best ball but the situation was insane, you know, like if you know anything, if you're an offensive player and you got drafted in St. Louis between a certain amount, if you're any player drafted in St. Louis and you had

any kind of success, I tip my cap to you because I had to go through it. And if you were a free agent that kind of came in and had to make your way in a situation like that, that had to be really tough. And so I had a lot of respect for Nick. I certainly did not foresee us meeting up again somewhere and i certainly did not foresee us winning a super bowl together but he's one of those guys that just keeps popping up and he's got such a short memory and he's got such a strong mind his faith the way he operates day to day um that he doesn't get shaken up by things whether it's a bad quarter a bad throw a bad stop in free agency he just says fuck it and moves on well he doesn't say fuck it because he's actually a real christian like not one of these fake christians he's a real one you know

he really lives it. So he wouldn't say fuck that. He'd probably say like, I love that coach that had a terrible offense. I love that GM that surrounded me with zero talent. Let me get to my next stop. And that was kind of his attitude. I mean, he really did find a bright side and everything. And he used to listen to his interview for any athlete that wants to have a mindset

that will increase their chances of going a long way. Like I think the Nick Foll's mindset was a brilliant one to have. and his teammates gravitated to him to this day. We all love Nick. And I'm so thankful to get him on the show. He just retired. What a career. What a conversation.

We just got done wrapping that thing up. Some of that's old hat for me because I know the guy so well, but I think you'll really enjoy getting to hear from at length here because he's not a guy who seeks out the spotlight. He's never done a bunch of interviews. He's never been somebody. hear a lot from but the juxtaposition of like knowing the real nick foals if you ask him a question as a teammate he's going to give you the most detailed answer um and he's got time to talk to anybody in

the building and this is the nick i know so enjoy uh getting a chance to hear from nick in this capacity uh i know i enjoyed talking to him uh not much NFL news today we do have the jahan dots and trade, which I think is relevant because the Eagles, to me, as I sit here, and next week, we're getting ready to do our previews. I should have included that in the housekeeping section. We are getting ready to do our previews, and we will break them down by half of conference. So we're going to start with the AFC. We're going to go south and west, and then we're going to north and east to wrap the week up on Friday. So it'll be Tuesday, Friday next week. And then the week after that, we're going to be NFC, south and west, then NFC, north, and

and east. So the team that we're going to wrap up with probably is going to be the Eagles. And I say that because they're in the NFC East and that's the way the schedule fell. But we are going to save the best for last because there's a lot of birds fans listening this podcast, a lot of high hopes. Listen, I do think the Eagles are going to win that division. A little spoiler alert here. You go to bet the Cowboys under wind total. I think the number's 10 and a half and that thing's juice to the gills. It's like minus 200.

bet it at your own risk, I'm a risk taker. And I also think the Cowboys are not going to be very good this year. I think the Eagles added a really important piece potentially here today. And when you look at what it took to get this piece, I mean, they send over a three for a guy a couple years ago was thought of as like a top 20, top 30 player in the draft, a guy who's flashed in Washington, who I've been a fan of when he's turned it on.

You know, like you hear Dan Quinn talk about what he wants to see from the guy he's talking about i want to see more competitive moments well that's coach speak to me for like the guy does not look locked in here and if you know howie roseman howie roseman loves to bargain hunt and you know he's going to look for a guy that's coming off an injury or somebody who's in a poor scheme fit or somebody who doesn't seem to be enjoying their time in a certain place and hope that he can breathe some life into them bring him in the locker room make him meet the standard of the day and right now i think it's a really good locker room to walk into jalen's having a great camp. We've all heard about the fable 300 consecutive passes without an interception.

340. 340 now in counting. It ended. You know, did somebody pick him off? There is Slay. Slay got him. I was going to drive up there and just run off the sideline and pick him off. So they're making a big deal about this, but I have heard that he's had a great camp. Kellan Moore, excited to see how he'd use a Johan Dotson. And I think also like the Eagles, if you look at certain things that you think are strengths, like you think the front sevens the strength well the linebackers there's some holes there and like they're not as deep and they're going to depend on a couple people to step up you know nicoby d and being on an ira couple times last year devon white being that very type of signing that i just talked about with howie where you're like okay

this guy was benched well we know he can go sideline to sideline and we know he showed just tremendous ability throughout his career let's buy low let's buy devon white low it's the same thing with jehan Dodson's a little bit different right but what I mean to say is he's completing that receiving core ideally finding receiver number three improving upon what they had in the past and like quez wakkins who probably not as good a route runner probably not as good hands not as sure-handed jehan dodson's got a lot of talent you send a three over to division rival and you end up nailing a position of need I think it's also from both sides speaks to you know like on the eagle side hey the rookie receivers have not been what we would hope they'd have been.

I think Howie also knows himself well enough by now and I don't know like, I don't draft great at receiver. We were just in Minnesota last weekend. You remember Justin Jefferson? So the whole thing is like the Eagles are like, fuck it, fine. We might not have found our guys this year in the draft or maybe they're going to be late comers. You know, the Johnny Wilson guy, the kid from Texas A&M, like maybe they take a little bit more time and you need help now. this guy with two years left on his rookie deal

taking him from a division rival is a really nice gamble and I think from Washington's perspective how bad do you want a guy out when you send him to a division rival? Do you think you're making room for a wide receiver that may be a trade? And they could be making room.

I know that Brandon I.U. His preferred destination was Washington. Part of that is because it was old teammate Jaden Daniels who actually did cross over at Arizona State. But I think also when you look at like I use options, and this is another team I'm bullish on relatively speaking the commanders. Talk about the Eagles win total, 10 and a half. I like the commanders win total over six and a half. The things I'm hearing about this quarterback, you know, Dan Quinn's track record, like I feel like this team could could improve this year. Them sending Jahan Dotson away doesn't tell me that they're

not trying to improve. This just tells me that they've had enough with the guy and maybe they are trying to make move for a big splashy acquisition. The IUC thing is becoming a saga. Yeah. Like this was like, I was in Montana when this was going down. This has been three weeks since we properly identified the DAP that the DAP heard around the world where IUC comes on to the practice field and he daps up John Lynn. She daps up Shannahan. And you're thinking, oh, he must be coming back. Not so fast, my friends. We had our DAP analysis team comb over the footage, and we realized that they're not close to getting the deal done. And, you know, close to the relative term, right? He might eventually sign a contract that he's been staring at for three weeks,

but he's been vetting these options. And I think he wants out, and I think he was looking at New England. I think he's looking at Pittsburgh. The more time that goes on in Pittsburgh, the more I think Russell Wilson will be with another team this season. Wow. Really. I'm sorry, serious. And I think the more time that goes by in Pittsburgh, the more time wide receiver who's sitting there on the west coast is thinking like, man, my situation is pretty fucking good here. Or maybe I need to look at only quarterbacks I'd be excited to catch the ball from. And Washington, it sounds like, would be one of those places. So they could be clearing space. If they make that trade, I don't know if it would affect the win total. But I kind of like

taking the over on the commander's win total right now at six and a half. I just think Philly got better. and I think Washington continues to compile draft capital. Do they do something down the line or do something right now? Big off season for Penn State slash Eagles fans getting both Saquan and Jehan Dotson. Oh, wow. Very interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a notable Penn State alum and a guy who probably wants to come back to the Eagles

who's sitting out there and how he's, you know, maybe he might make a play for Howie. Are you talking about a guy who you told Jerry to his face? You're talking about Micah. Yeah, I did. I did tell Jerry to his face. And then Jerry, in cowardly fashion, omitted me from the, from the team schedule release video. I thought you were talking about the Penn State quarterback who went to Fork Union. Christian Hackenberg. I thought Christian Hackenberg might be. No, I think he's trying to make a baseball career work. Okay. I like Hackenberg. He's a cool guy.

But I did see Hackenberg went up to Penn State to watch. Oh, nice. Yeah, to watch last year the Michigan game. One Washington fan who's probably on the Washington over with you, Waleigh, tweeted that the Eagles need to get hit with a RICO. They're doing something illegal over there. I'm telling the NFL, can you investigate the Eagles? Thank you. That's pretty good.

And then he went on to say on Twitter, because I was reading his timeline as well. They're like, he really hates the Cowboys the most. He's okay with his Philly people. Waleigh, we appreciate it. I met Wolle one time at a Super Bowl and adapt him. up on the stairs. I don't think he knew who I was, but I was like, hey, DMV, dude, super cool to meet you. I think Wale is a great rapper, man. I named Waleigh, don't say Walee. I'm a big fan of Waleigh. Big fan. So maybe great to get Walee on the show, talk commanders football at some point.

But yeah, so, so that's the big news is, you know, Philly got a number three receiver, somebody that if he shows, you know, if the guy they're getting is the guy I've seen in flashes in Washington, they're going to be really happy with this and it sounds like he just wasn't competitive in dan quinn's words down there and i don't want to read in too much to that but um listen we were in green bay this week i hope you enjoyed that that uh special release the special release yeah it was special release i mean we don't do that often we're just like here's three interviews but we're in transit um we're kind of in an interview surplus situation right now which is nice it's nice Nice to be rolling them out.

But these camp visits have been great. I know I sucked off Minnesota on the pod in the open. Let me be really positive about Green Bay here coming off that trip. You look at their roster because I've been to a couple of these camps now. And you go to the Eagles camp, you're like, man, that's the biggest group of fucking football players I've ever seen. You go to the Buffalo camp after that and you're like, damn, not all rosters are constructed like the Eagles roster.

You can kind of start to see the differences and how these teams are built. And I look at Green Bay and I say like, man, this is a young team. They've got playmakers. They've got rushers. There's excitement around the building. People love the headman. I came out of Minnesota and was like, man, this is the coolest thing ever. They've got a great vibe in this facility.

Young head coach told you we shot the shit with KOC for a while. He's like, my age. You know, the D.C. I know the D.C. They let us walk all around the field. It was crazy. They fed us. They fed us.

Green Bay treated us great as well. I got to go in the press conference, ask Matt LaFleur some questions, which is nerve-wracking. I really feel for those damn beat writers because it's like first-come, first-serve, you just start talking. And, you know, the easy part of asking a question of press conference is I don't have to follow up. I could ask the question, just sit there zoned out. Like, you know, I don't even have to listen. But the hard part is, like, it better be a good fucking question because coaches are not there to be interviewed. They're there to coach.

And it was pretty funny, like, shuffling in with all this Green Bay beatwriters and being like, coach, Chris Long with Greenlight Pod here. Like, and then I proceeded to ask him two questions. The first I asked him was about the Halfley defensive coordinator switch, the front specifically about the disruptive nature of that front. He gave me a good answer. And then the second one, I was really interested in this, like, how early and how in-depth are these conversations with an opposing coach when you're trying to flesh out a joint practice? You know, because it probably takes so many conversations and a lot of logistics to get on the same page and run a practice is going to be beneficial to both coaches. And now they have the Baltimore Ravens in town.

Of course, you probably saw that because Lamar almost fell off his bike. Almost. It was crazy. Leaving the, I mean, that was fucking close. Do you think a packer could have messed with a bike a little bit? Oh, hey, ride this one. It's possible. Now, we watched the whole bike thing.

That was a lot of fun. It really was cool. Like, I've seen it on TV for so long. And I don't know if, like, I was watching it at their training camp, which might be somewhere else, or if I've always been watching it at Lambo. But, like, it's a short fucking bus or bike ride. Like, you can walk easily. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. They make it seem like those bikes. are like really pragmatic yeah yeah yeah it's about 200 yards so we stood out there dontavian wicks rides by don tautavian you're my favorite player he gives me like the big time like i'm like bro i know you and then he he recognized me and we were about to do the interview anyways so we dapped up and the whole thing and i saw you know a few coaches that i have either come across or been on a team with them like their running backs coach was in st louis with me ben ran into him shon

on Mannion's there, play with him. It just reinforces again how small the league is. And also another thing that's really cool for listening to this pod is I feel like they like us. I feel like when we go in these places, again, I said this on Monday. This isn't us patting ourselves in the back. But, you know, because to me it's a mystery. When I walk into a building quite opposite bow, I feel like I'm not supposed to be there.

I'm like, they probably think it's annoying. I'm here. Fuck the media. This coach thought it was a shitty player. that's just the way my head works. Welcome to the owner of an ADHD brain. Bo, when we roll up to these facilities, he's just like, he's the king.

He just walks in. What hell it's this? Oh, you got gear for me? Oh, food? Can I get some gear? Oh, where they got food around here? Like, I'm just sitting there quietly hoping they give me some food. Bo walks in like the king, man.

And we were kind of in Green Bay, small group, confined to a room off to the side we get to tour the stadium do a lamo leap that fucking thing's higher than you think yeah that was sweet walking out of that tunnel and just like you look right at lambo field and the like half the stadium's original like everything you know they built on top of it but up to a certain points all originally you just look all around it's surreal is oh it was unbelievable and like i i'd played there before and i looked around at you guys i was like have you all ever been here before like for me it's cool but i just think of what it would be like to be y'all and grow up watching this stadium and then you're standing in an empty stadium which is sometimes cooler than being in the

stadium when it's full uh and we walk back into our little room we do the interview we get done we're ready to leave and the door swings open and it's matt lafleur and he had walked all the way over to talk to us and you know like i don't know him i admire him as a coach i think he's a really good coach um and when you hear players talk about him they love him but he was so fucking cool he was so cool i just want to so smart he's so smart if you want to know like what your coach is like and you're a packers fan the he's he's solid dude that guy is super solid and super smart and super accountable like i was sitting in that press conference and he opened up the press conference and was like hey guys because i had known he was in a bad mood because I saw his presser from a couple of days ago after a preseason game and he's like,

hey man, this isn't good enough. We're not playing well. The whole thing, like guys got their heads up there as on. It was the day after they got back from Denver when we went to the press conference, it was a day after they got back from Denver when they didn't play well. He was like our guys aren't doing well enough. And I'm kind of anticipating a tight butthole. Like, that's just the way an NFL building is. But they were loose. They were having fun. And when when Matt walked down and did the press conference, in front of everybody he opened the press room was like um hey guys just want to say this like i was wrong the other day like we didn't play well but the guys gave great effort and we just didn't execute so it's one of those games and it just shows tremendous emotional intelligence to be that

way um and then also like just getting a chance to talk to him for 15 minutes until wixie walked in he would have stayed for 30 i think like the guy was just talking ball we were reminiscing about the Super Bowl. Dave Damasek and Jeff Schwartz, two great media personalities, friends of mine, to the smartest in the game. They always give me shit. They have this bit where they try to bait me into talking about the hold I drew in the Super Bowl, because that's my claim to fame in the Super Bowl. I mean, if I don't draw that hold, I don't know. History is different. Not saying I was a fucking big part of that run, but he walked in and he goes, you ruin the Super Bowl. And man, if I could have busted my phone out and FaceTime those two motherfuckers, see, they remember the hold.

I said, no, it wouldn't me. It was Brady. But LaFleur was so cool. And we talked about Jordan Love's, you know, his personality, his development. You could just tell he's a humble, socially intelligent, great football mind. And I got to say, like, when I meet these coaches, some of them are underwhelming. And some of them I'm like immediately I get it. I mean, that's a guy. I absolutely get it. And the same thing with KOC. Those two guys on that trip, they're going to be coaching in that division a while. Long time. And I love both their teams. You know, not because I'm a Vikings fan or a Packers fan. I, as an analyst, I really am out of the weeds with the fandom thing to the point where I like a team for who's on it, who's coaching it, how they play. you know it's not about an allegiance for me it's a lot of fun getting to know these people because then you can root for them uh while you're watching and breaking down the game it does complicate things when i'm gonna bet a win total you know like i almost feel like i have to bet the vikings over win total now they gave me aqua pana right they got aqua pana in the fucking water things dude you know so it's a great place so is green bay we had a great time dude uh ran into john coon uh old

That was the coolest. He was just rolling by. Yeah, I was walking by and dude was like, Chris, and I look over and I'm like, I didn't recognize him at first because like, we're old now. Yeah. You know, like me, John, like these guys. And he's not running through a whole, in a middle linebacker 10 yards. He's not wearing a helmet.

You know, like these fullbacks. They would do. So once we, we started talking, man, I couldn't stop talking to John Coon. Like, just such a great guy. I feel like another guy you could have played with for 10 years. But, you know, we sat there and talked for 30 minutes. That's my favorite thing. about these camp visits. It's just the like-mindedness of the people you run into.

And again, it's like when we were standing in a circle, holding court with 5-70-O linemen in Philly, and I look around, I'm like, I only play with two of these motherfuckers. I don't know these other guys, but you feel like you've known them for a long time. And so much respect to all my NFL brethren who are out there grinding it out right now, getting ready to play that first game. It'll be a year sooner than we think. Yeah, really appreciative of Green Bay and Minnesota and Buffalo and Philly for letting us stop by. And I hope next year my goal is somebody will give me an RV because I got to stop putting miles on my damn Thor four wins here.

It's taking a beating. And we use more space as is evidenced by the Jason Kelsey and Selleck interview and the Milata and the, I mean, my fucking RV was. There's a hard angle. It was, I mean, we popped the slide out. And there was about 1,200 pounds sitting on that, on that ledge. there. We need a new RV. We need maybe a like a corporate sponsor who would be like, hey, we'll buy an RV and we'll send you around to every training camp because I would do it.

I love going to these training camps. Next year, hopefully we do 10 of them. You know, we did four this year. Hopefully every year we pop over to some new ones and get a taste of every facility and every franchise because I think it's so cool being under the hood and seeing how they all work. So big shout out to the folks in Green Bay. Fuck Hollandeau sauce, man. You guys in Green Bay, I don't know what your thing is if you have like a sauce fetish, but like we went to breakfast and they were putting Hollandeau sauce on everything.

It was 10 in the morning. One of the crew ordered an omelet. Out comes... Hollandeau sauce. Five pounds of Holliday sauce with a piece of an egg in the middle. Yes, dude. The usage of Hollandeau sauce in Wisconsin is out of control. Now, I don't want to...

extrapolate and say it's like everywhere you go but it was pretty fucking well we asked Nate uh our our our buddy who was showing us around from the packers and he was like yo yeah holiday sauce that's huge here we'll do it anywhere everywhere i'll put it on anything so i man i just wanted to like i tweeted fuck hollanda sauce the other day and a lot of people were like had took issue with that i'm like i'm not a mayonnaise guy i'm not a hollanda sauce guy it's all the same to me uh that was the low point of the trip we did end up in an Airbnb that wasn't in the in the red part of the map on the crime map in Green Bay so I guess Matt didn't book that one he almost got us killed in Buffalo but we we had a great Airbnb everything was everything's awesome everything is awesome we are we are

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greenlight and get your $1,500 first bet offer today. This is the moment that we've all been waiting for. I've been waiting for this moment. I was waiting until my dear friend, Nick Foles, retired to bother him as a member of the media and say, hey, come on my show, so I can ask you a bunch of tough questions. We got him. Ladies and gentlemen, we got him. He's here. Nick Foles joining me on Zoom. What's up, dude? So, Chris. Thanks for having me. to see where this conversation goes. It's going to go a lot of places, dude, but maybe not some of the places you think.

I'm on my best behavior today, Nick. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. My old Super Bowl MVP quarterback's joining us, so I got to act like a grown-up. Nick, you're retired. We'll get into all this stuff, but you are also, maybe most importantly,

now a hat guy and an apparel guy, and you have sent me some of your hat. and I am not blowing smoke, dude. They are the most comfortable hats that I have ever worn. And that is the key to a great hat. Tell me about your new venture. Yeah, so Pat O'Donnell and I were teammates in Chicago. Pat was a longtime punter there, you know, still wanting to play right now.

But we, you know, he really had the idea for dad's season in 2023 as I was leaving the league. And we just kept talking about it. And, you know, we had some shirts, some hoodies. I'm wearing one of the hoodies right now. Nothing crazy, but then in January, I had taken enough time away where I was really just, you know, we were talking so much about the brand and what it can be, what dad season can be. And I'm just very passionate about it because I'm a dad myself. I'm unfortunate to have a wonderful father that pushed me and has always been there for me.

And it just resonated. So we're always talking about this brand. I'm like, but I really like hats. I think we've got to have a hat line. But where do you start, right? It's just Pat and I and our wives were figuring it out and we printed on all these random hats and they weren't what we wanted and we were fortunate enough to find You know a hat guy and Scott his name Scott. He's awesome and we went we flew to Denver We designed our first generation of hats and we really had to learn it was a lot more than we thought because I wanted like specific fits

I want specific comfort Styles so like we're getting samples we're like measuring like I get the samples of my business too much depth We need a little bit less depth in the Excel We made two sizes. A lot of them have flex fit, not all of them. But my thing was I want a really high quality hat that guys love to wear. They're proud to wear. And that's where we'll start.

The message is, you know, dad's season, you know, fatherhood, being present with your children. But a lot of guys are working. They're not always around, but they still love their kids, right? So there's all different walks of dads. So we designed these hats. We're really proud of them. We have four more. Yesterday I was on a call.

we have four more new designs coming out that we're working on it's been fun for me and pat to you know talk through designs what can we do next and just keep creating high quality hats i mean everything's custom i mean you got the custom logo custom on the side inside you know it says no days off because once you become a dad even if like you're out isn't that true bro isn't that true i thought we were going to have days off when i signed up for this i mean you can get i mean and there's a lot of moms out there obviously moms are so important the most important um and you know they're always like i've even heard you know my husband has a lot of days off the point is you know even if i'm gone on like a work trip or like say i fly to philadelphia there's always going to be a

moment where i'm going to get a phone call and have to jump on you know get to jump on a call with maybe my son maybe he's having a tough day and and the point is like the heart like you become a dad you're always a dad your kids go to college like they might be there but you're always there for him I experienced that, you know, calling my dad for a moment, even still having conversations with this brand. My dad has done restaurant business my whole life. And I'm like, dad, like, what would you do in this situation? I know what I would do, but you've done this all longer. So it's even been fun from an entrepreneurial standpoint, you know, talking to my dad about how to do this the right way, customer service caring.

And it's small. I mean, it's, and I like that though. We get to grow it our way and have a great heart behind it. And we're just excited about great products, great message. And, you know, hopefully someday we're doing like a, you know, stories, like a podcast like yourself where we get to jump on a, you know, jump in a conversation and talk about career, fatherhood and tell those stories that impact dads out there that, you know, are in it. You know, I'm, I'm in it right now with seven, four, and one. And each day's its own adventure. But I'm super grateful for the time I get with them right now.

And most of my call is designing these hats and growing this brand. And Pat and I have kids screaming in the background. So it's really organic and really fun. But yeah, it's been a fun journey and I'm excited about the future of the company. Man, you got a beautiful family. I'm really lucky, too, eight, five, and one. So both me and Nick are in the thick of it. Is there anything you've learned that you wish you could have told Nick Foles seven years ago

when you were sitting in the hospital getting ready for child number one? I think the biggest thing I'm learning is, you know, I felt like when you become a parent, like you're trying to instill everything in your kid and guide your kids and help your kids grow along the way. But by letting them, you know, fall and, you know, lifting them up at the appropriate time, they have to go through things. So, like, that's my whole idea of as I'm preparing for parenthood through my faith, through reading, through just watching. And then seven years later, I was just at a dinner with my wife and another couple. last night and I'm like, they're, you know, they're asking about kids and what it's like being parents. And my biggest thing was, you know what? I'm learning more about myself being a parent of three children than I am probably teaching them. And I did not expect that. I thought, you know,

I have this figured out, you know, I'm the adult. I'm going to guide them. But I grow every single day as a parent. And, you know, that can be like staying calm through a tantrum, which I am not perfect that you know i we got you know lily's really good and we got the two boys that you know test me every day um but i feel like my children are making me a better person each and every day and i'm super grateful for that and i didn't see that coming yeah it's funny i think one of the biggest uh misnomer's in the world is you're something that's just you think when you're a kid you're like all the adults have it figured out they're fully formed one day i'm going to reach this point where I just have it all figured out and nothing changes.

And that's just not the case. I mean, I think you'll find that now where you embark on this new journey in retirement. It is truly dad season for you every day. And there's a lot that I've learned over the last man. I keep saying five years, but it's going on six now of my life without football. And so I wonder for you as you stare at this kind of expanse. I mean, it really is an expanse. It's like the next 60 years of your life, hopefully.

what you wonder it's going to be like, what are your fears? Do you have any when it comes to leaving football? What are you excited about? Yeah, I mean, you just never know. I mean, football has become such a part of like who we are, right? I mean, we've done it. I mean, I remember in first grade, they asked you what you want to be when you grow up. And it was, I want to be a professional athlete. At that time, I didn't know football. But I knew that sports were such a huge part of my heart and like what I wanted to do. and then, you know, we've done it for such a long time. So it's like, all right, when I don't have that structure, when I'm not playing that game, what am I going to do? And, you know, my faith in Christ has been a huge part of my identity. It is my identity.

And that's been a huge part of the transition. But over the last year with, you know, going through the emotions and making sure that it was the right decision to retire, it started out tough. Like, you know, every week, you know, a couple of nights, I'd really struggle in the sense of mentally because you're used to, a schedule. You're used to discipline. You're used to going to work. You're used to going to practice. You're used to watching film. And then, you know, I'm home all the time. And I'm with the kids. And it's wonderful. And then I feel bad because all of a sudden I'm struggling. But I'm like, this is such a blessing that I get to be home with my kids and my wife. But at times it's hard because I'm Yeah. How could I be struggling? How could I be struggling? Yes. And that's selfish of me to struggle.

Yes. And I had to deal with those emotions. But fortunately, I have a, you know, amazing wife and Tori that we've gone through so much together through her health journey with postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome pots for short my career having children moving different organizations so this was just a new test and i wasn't always probably easy to deal with because it's you know every week you know i'm doing good then all of a sudden a little bit of an emotional break and then it happens again. But then I just kept going. I kept moving. I found structure in my life. I found I wasn't thinking so much about football. And I wasn't missing lacing it up, but I was missing the guys. I was missing the structure. It was just different not going to work and achieving something

at work. Like, man, I had a really good practice. I feel good about what I put in the weight room today. Like it was different. But then I learned in this next chapter of life, like being around the kids all the time, you know, coaching the, you know, I coach kindergarten girls like football. And that was really fun for me to be in football in that situation and find the root of where it all begins with my daughter and a couple of my nieces and then all their friends, which coaching kindergarten girls fight football is no small feat. Like that's a big feat. Like you're trying to stop cartwheels. You're trying to line them up. But at the end of it all, I, I had wonderful coaches with me and the girls were awesome.

And we actually started having a lot of great success. And it was a lot of fun seeing them have fun. Not shot. You know, and I wanted them to, you know, I was like, hey, you pull a flag cartwheel. You score a touchdown cartwheel. All that carwheels. But we're going to find it. We're not just going to cartwheel after every play.

And I've talked to other dads that coached like, man, the cartwills. I'm like, it's so much fun, but we can't, well, we can't line up to get a play on. But I found myself just being more presence and being. being more just where, you know, like we always talked about in Philly, like, you know, be where our feet are. Yeah. I had to adjust to that in this new chapter, this new season, you know, dad, that's sort of dad's season, this new season of life. And now I'm sort of catching stride where, you know, it's summertime, summertime. I laugh too because as a parent, I'm learning so much.

I'm like, now I know why like during the summer my parents sent me to camps all the time. Yeah, I'm starting to figure that one out. yeah it's uh you know and we my wife is wonderful we had a conversation the other day because she's like the last month the summer i don't want the kids in any camps and i want them at home and i want us to spend all this time with them and i looked at her and i was like you know what like you are an amazing mother but you you just destroyed you're going to destroy us this month this is going to be hard but i was like you're an awesome mom and we get to do this together um but this is going to be a month Like we're going to have to, you know, figure this out.

But we are and it's been great and the kids have really enjoyed it. And like right now, she's taking the kids to the beach and going to wear them out. And then we'll do another activity in the afternoon. And we get this time. And I'm grateful for football for allowing me to have this time to be with my children at an age that, you know, they'll cherish us forever. I'll cherish this forever. That's exactly right. There's no way we could be as present if we didn't, you know, get blessed with what we got blessed with in the last chapter.

you know which was a career that provided for our families and you know i think it's a it's a gift and a curse because when you're doing it it's really hard to be present but if you can get the hang of the the next chapter you get all this time i i wonder for you how important working out is that we were talking about that yeah a little bit off you know i got my free workout right here which is what because you used to just drink bulletproof coffee and a little like you you were on the mc t oil and all the the stuff that was above my pay grade. What is it now?

Hey, I'll tell you what. I was making that all the way up to the Super Bowl and after. I mean, I think we had like 10 guys drinking that every morning. Even in Minneapolis, this story was probably never told. We ordered a bunch of bulletproof coffee stuff, a bunch of butter,

bunch of oil. And I, you know, my thing of servitude was to make it for whoever wanted it in the morning before film. So like at 6 a.m. So even in Minneapolis at the hotel, I think I ran coffee

to like the six or seven coaches in the QB room had it because I'm like you know what I can't just stop because we're here I have to finish this strong because at the end of the day I also wanted the coaches to have enough energy to not like to make it through the day because we all know like as much as we love our coaches once they start getting tired some weird plays getting that playbook yeah they get grouchy

and all of a sudden you see a play in a playoffice and you know yeah taking shots yeah it's uh I mean there's times where like we go through a game plan and I'd be like man like and I'd always ask the question I always like to know why like why do we have this play in and then I was I was like did you all put this play in like 11 o'clock last night and yeah yeah I'm like oh we can't have this play like I know where y'all's minds at at like 11 or midnight like I this play like you got this from some random like who knows what no we're not doing this but yeah you know that's the fun of football um that's the you know we all

have the stories and you know coaches go out there and grind like crazy. And, you know, I don't know how they do it. Are you, are you, you said five, six days a week. And what do you think about Kelsey's recent mandate from his wife, Kylie, to work out three days a week? You know, I think it's a, I think she's being really nice to him. I think she understands that, you know, three days a week. I mean, you know, I feel like he can do a little bit more than that. But I don't know the quality of workouts he's putting in. I imagine knowing Jason that they're going to be like, Quality. I would think so. So I mean, he might be putting in like a two hour workout that's like that's good man like get that day of recovery. That's good and but she knows that he needs that or else he's going to be super grouchy and I know for me I have to train or I get super grouchy. So right now, you know, I was doing six days a week a lot of lifting and I was having a lot of fun doing gained a lot of strength that I lost in the NFL because you know we have this weigh in thing in the NFL and I'm a big quarterback big boy. I'm a big boy. I'm a lot of fun doing a game. I I entered the league at like 243.

And that's out of college. And then you keep lifting. You become a man and you have children. Like you're not going to stay that weight. Like I was in really good shape then. So, but then there was coaches like, hey, we want you under 245. I'm like, dude, that was like my senior year of college. Yeah.

When we go back to high school. Now that I'm done, I was like, you know what? I'm just going to lift a lot. I'm going to just lift and see what happens. And so I've done that. Now I'm transitioning more. You know, I did a poll on Instagram the other day. Like, you know, hey, if I did a job,

challenge of like a 10k half marathon marathon or like a ultra marathon what should i do and you know ultra was winning which would have been like epic because that would have been past the marathon um which i would love to do one day i think that'd be a lot of fun to do like a hundred mile race or something have a cool crew do it let me know bro include your boy include your boy i got a little pipe i'll include it okay yeah all right cool that'd be good you know you could you could go i watch all I mean, for any ultra runner who ever watch this, I watch all. Like, I love it. I love the grind.

I love the documentaries on YouTube. I'm a fan, and it motivates me every day when I wake up. I'll watch a little something before I get going. But, you know, I just started doing like a half marathon program again with some weightlifting. And then, you know, I know a lot of people, I think marathon won. So I got to figure out what marathon I'm going to do. But right now I'm just trying to build that base. But yeah, I think just throwing this out there, Chris.

I mean, Jay, I'm sure there's people out there. I know a lot of people listen to your podcast. But I mean, if Jason wants to go out there and do the Philadelphia Marathon, I know you mentioned you might walk it. Let's do it. I'm doing. I'm doing. I'll run it.

I think that's pretty epic. I run two miles a day now, Nick. I think I could get to 26 pretty easy or whatever. I think a half marathon would be great. I think a half marathon is a great distance. I did two last year. Yeah. It's a great starting point.

I did two last year. I did not train for my first one. I was just like in the show. shape I was in and I was very humbling, but I told myself I would not walk and I got to a strong shuffle at the end, but I did not walk. I couldn't. You were speed. And after it was like, I'm never.

Oh man, at the end of it, I'm like, I'm never doing that again. I finished, I finished 205, no training, which pretty solid for a big boy, 205, not bad. Yeah. And then I was like, I'm never doing that again. Two days later, I'm like, I can't wait to do that again. I found a training program for eight weeks and ran the orange, County half and ran like a 148 something which was like an 818 pace so I was like all right this is cool. Holy shit well no you still seem like you're in shape so when I ask you this question

it's only because I don't get to ask a lot of guys this I mean like you you just retired you were a great quarterback um there's no more secrets right are you coming back are you are you going to make a comeback at some point do we have to worry about a Brady thing with you no there's no there's no worry the Monday night football game in Philadelphia will be the last two raw and I just become I I mean I am a fan now I get to watch the next generation and I so we're uh we're good the only thing you might see me doing is like intramural pickleball and like intramural golf and stuff like just don't pop your Achilles man just don't pop your Achilles here's what I'm wondering what you know when it starts because as a position player and you when I was with you in 2015 in St. Louis like that that was

an injury shortened season for me and the whole thing. But I was still in the prime of my career. And then, you know, like when we played together in Philly later, I was like older and you could probably see it. I mean, you can tell when you watch a player that he's getting older, but the player only knows what that is defined by. Like for me, it was I couldn't turn the corner the same. My ankle flexion was going. You know, I'd come in from practice and my knee would be blowing up. I never had knee problems earlier in my career or shoulder or, you know, for me it was I couldn't keep muscle on the same and I lost a little bit of explosion. What happens for a quarterback towards the end when you know it's towards the end and your body's breaking down a little bit?

Is it torque? Is it your hip? Is it your shoulder? And like what goes away? You can't make certain throws like take me through the anatomy of a period of contemplating retirement, partially at least because of your physical state. Yeah. I mean, and just a comment on you. I mean, obviously I was with you in 15, which is, you know, several years before we were together in Philadelphia and won, you know, what was it, your second Super Bowl? Yeah. Really, what, what, in two years, right? Yeah, two years.

And you're, I mean, you're still a beast. I know you're saying you lost the step and stuff, but not only that, just such an awesome guy. I mean, you're one of the key guys in that locker room, the leaders in that locker room that were so important and we're such a huge DNA of that championship. And, you know, I got to, I'm so grateful I got to be with you in St. Louis. What a story us, us being together again. It's just like, it's so special.

But for a quarterback, you know, everyone's different. You know, there's guys that, you know, wait till, you know, playing in the NFL is a great honor and privilege, and it's a childhood dream of everyone. And there's some guys that wait until, you know, the body no longer can do it. And then for me, you know, we had had had our third. We had moved around several times the last four years of my career. I say of our career because Tori and I were,

it together. And every time you go, you just sort of, you get to a new locker room, new situation. It doesn't always like uplift you, but it's such a privilege. So you go to work every day, you build all these new relationships. And for me, it was just seeing the toll of like moving, starting over, moving, starting over, and realizing like when we went to Indianapolis, I told Tori, you know what, no matter what happens, you know, we're excited Frank Reich's there. We were super pumped to play for him. I was like, we signed a two-year deal. I was like, you know, this will be the last stop. This will be, so we just mentally can be like all in.

This is the last stop. You know, Frank's the coach. You just signed an extension. Let's go be the best teammate. We can be. Let's do what we can for this team. And this is it. No matter what happens, if I go out there and ball out and there's a new, like, this is it.

Because then at this point when we're done here, let's focus on raising our children. And then unfortunately, that year took a lot of crazy turns. And it didn't go the way. think anyone thought it would. But I'm super grateful for, you know, being there that year to be in that locker room, see the type of locker room they have. Like, I'm not surprised the success that team's having because the locker room was so great. Like, you know, the GM's really good with Chris Bauer. You know, unfortunately, you know, Frank, I love Frank. Great coach. It's just, just things happen in this league that we don't understand sometimes. And, you know, Shane Steichen's awesome. So I

know why they're having success. That locker room is solid, great guys. I know they've added some guys as well. But for me, it was more just like heart. Like the game had changed for me. It wasn't like it was in Philadelphia. Like that locker room in Philadelphia, you could play for so long because of the brotherhood and everything about that city and that team. And even when I look back at my career, I'm so grateful for the other teams I played for besides Philadelphia. I'm so grateful because they gave me an opportunity to play. They gave me an opportunity to be a part of their organization in their city. But when I look back in my career, the only time I felt at home was Philadelphia. And maybe that's because they drafted me and then brought me back or maybe it was

just like the lock room. And then the city bond. I mean, that city is so unique in like the people that make up the fan base and are in the link on Thursday, Sunday, Monday, or whenever the game is. But for me, I still right now like throwing the football, I can throw it just as good. I'm probably stronger than I was when I was in the NFL because I don't have to worry about putting on muscle or weight, which is really exciting. But I'm super honored and grateful for the time the NFL gave me the 11 years. It's, you know, my rookie year, I was like, I don't know how I'm going to play this game past my rookie year. This is crazy. And to play 11 years, I'm so grateful, grateful for what the NFL gave me.

And then excited for what the future holds, you know, being a husband, being a dad, being an entrepreneur. growing this brand, being in a community, talking to guys like yourself. I think it's just so cool. And I'm excited for the next generation. I mean, just seeing what's out there, the young quarterbacks, the young players, it's going to be a lot of fun watching the NFL and seeing where it goes from here. Two things you said that really resonate with me, number one. And, you know, like, I don't want to make it seem like I was broke down to where I couldn't play anymore.

I left playing good ball, but I didn't want to start over, you know. in 2018 it was a weird year for all of us right and coming off that 18th season they had signed a guy that was going to he meant that I would be on the sideline on third down at the very least

and probably take less snaps on first and second so howie had kind of told me listen like you know if you want to be somewhere else next year you can and there was some interest from teams out west and I just I looked down the barrel and I said what am I doing? You know, like I've done everything I want to do. There's nothing left to do.

Anything I do from here on now, it's going to be selfish. It's just going to be me trying to, you know, accomplish a personal goal. And at what cost, you know, picking up my family, moving again, starting over again. And the gamble you take every time you walk into a locker room. And for you, that's a highly variable gamble because quarterback, it's a fit thing. You know, if the coach doesn't like it. like you know, there's only one quarterback that's going to play. Even for a defensive end, you walk into a certain building and, you know, you just might not

land on the right side of the rotation. So there was that. And then also as a guy only spent two years in Philly, I wish I played a lot longer there. And what you said resonated a great deal because of, you know, the place and the locker room. And you having been there twice, I know it had to be bittersweet, like a lot more sweet than bitter. But, you know, But, you know, you had that record-breaking season, and then you get traded to St. Louis to hang out with me in the cold tub. And, you know, I wonder if there was any resentment and then how you were able to kind of push past that when they needed you again. Was that harder than it looked on the surface? Yeah, I mean, you know, I think when I was traded away to St. Louis, like, that was a weird situation.

I was coming off a fractured collarbone. I remember I had healed from it. I was in the best shape of my life. And I got a call from Chip Kelly in the offseason. I was really excited about going in my fourth year. I felt like my second year was a record-breaking year. My third year, we were six and two when I got injured. And I wasn't playing as clean of football because now looking back,

I mean, it's hard when you're not a guy that's like highly touted coming out of college, but you get drafted. And then all of a sudden you break on a seat and like, you're like, everyone's looking at you to be perfect every game. and when you're not, it's like, it's strange. And I didn't realize the amount of pressure that was because I was just used to playing. And then when he called me and traded me in that one-minute conversation, and then all of a sudden I'm talking to Jeff Fisher on the phone, like, can't wait to meet you.

It was really strange. And then going there that year, it's like you said, like sometimes you fit with the coach, sometimes you don't. And it doesn't always work out. But that was a really tough year. But we got to be together. A lot of great guys in that locker room that I, you know, got to play with again down the road, which was really cool to have like Rodney McLeod,

Robert Quinn, like, you know, Rod, you and me got to win a Super Bowl together. Like, how cool is that? Like, you know, because we got to experience San Luis and everyone, you know, that's tough. And all of a sudden we get to go to the highest peak together. It's really, really special. But then that was a tough year to where I even contemplated, you know, it was well documented, like stepping away from the game after four years. I just, I've always believed football is a game that is,

played from the heart, you have to have heart to give you that extra energy in the NFL to do something great for your teammates. Because if you just go out there with your mind and just doing it for the wrong reasons, it's hard to, it's hard to do that. I can't do that. I have to play with heart. And I lost heart because of what happened in St. Louis. But then I, you know, I went through a journey. God allowed me to go through a journey. And it was really my relationship with Christ that allowed me to get out of that dark hole. And then sort of, you know, Andy Reid reaching out, going to Kansas City for a year. Being with him, Matt Nagy and that crew, Alex Smith and those guys in that locker room, I had so much fun. I learned how to work the right way. I learned how to have a

great routine. I learned what a championship team looked like. And then after that year, I become a free agent. And it's Philadelphia. Well, there was another team. I think Tampa Bay was really interested. Dirk Cutter who was there. I had originally committed to him Arizona State in high school. So I had an opportunity to go actually play for him. And they offered me a pretty sweet deal for two years. And then how he came calling, it's like, hey, we'd love to have you back. It was a great deal. I was super honored. It was actually less than Tampa. And we just had to sit there. And my wife and I talked because we were pregnant with Lily and or either that or we had just had Lily. And we really are like, all right, what is best for our family? Like, yeah, Philly traded me away. And that's tough,

but we love Philly. Or do we go to Tampa Bay and just start over? And we just sat there and we're like, you know what, let's go back to Philly. That just always felt like home. We know a lot of guys in the locker room. You know, I'm going there to help a young Carson Wentz. I'm not going there to take over. Like, that's my role. We can focus on being a dad and going to work and being the best teammate I can be.

So it was a quick conversation and we're like, we were super pumped to go back because I knew what God had done in my heart has given me the genuine perspective and genuine heart to go there and be like, I am here to help this young starter, to help my teammates in the role that they've given me, as opposed to a younger me, he's like, once you become a starter, like, how do you not be a starter? Like, I didn't know that because I'm like, if I'm not a starter, I don't know what that looks like.

That's failure. Yeah. All those things. Yeah. And I had a heart change. And then all of a sudden, the year happens the way it did. And it sucks when people get injured. But I was ready based on, because of my year in St. Louis,

because of my year in Kansas City, that equipped me and calloused me to prepare me for what was to come in Philadelphia. Because without those years, I don't think I'm ready to handle what came in Philadelphia in 17. So I'm super grateful for those trials that prepared me for it. And I couldn't see it till down the road. I'm like, wow, okay, God, I see what you were doing. But man, it wasn't easy when I was in it. But thank you.

Well, I always think back to that trip to L.A. And, you know, we were rolling. We'd come off the Seattle loss. and we were trying to secure a number one seed. It was a huge barometer for us going to the West Coast and playing those teams. And we were playing so damn well. And Carson dives for the pylon. I think Mark Barron clips his leg.

And, you know, when it was happening because he ran off the field and because he's a tough guy, I didn't know anything at the moment. I'm wondering if you could walk me through in real time, kind of your thought processes that all went down. Were you just able to click into, all right, I got to finish this game, or were you sitting there kind of thinking about big picture, what's going on with Carson, how hard was it to focus? Yeah, I mean, I saw him get hit and I saw him get up.

And I, you know, I've been around. Carson's a tough dude. Great quarterback, tough dude. I'm a huge fan of him. But at that time, I knew just watching him. And he stayed in for a play and threw a touchdown the next play with his knee torn, which is epic. Yeah. Which is baller status, in my opinion.

But I knew something was wrong. So you notice like when all of a sudden you start playing, your body starts changing. Like adrenaline starts coming through it. The butterflies start coming. Your body starts like acclimating for what is to come. And that is a high pressure situation where you have to calm the nerves and go out there and execute and bring a calmness to the huddle. So I knew my body knew what was going on. So he came to the sideline.

He had to go to the tent. He had to go get checked. I knew right then there like what was coming. I knew something had happened just because of how tough he is and how he was walking and how he was grimace. seeing something was different. I knew going in that game, like, you know, I had to calm my mind and just go out there and execute. And we were able to execute.

And I remember, you know, there was like a third down and eight or something. And we called all lightning. And earlier in the game, you know, Carson had a great game that game. He threw like four touchdowns. And I think he threw an interception on the same play. They went two man, which lightning and the lightning verse two man. It's like an eight-yard stop route. your only answers your slot receiver because outside you got the safety is over top they're going to be underneath

you can't throw outside and then inside is not great at either because the guy doesn't have to worry about getting beat over the top he can trail because the safety is over top but if you have a really good slot receiver that knows how to play you have a chance so i have Nelson Aguilar so i trust Nelson I sidearm a ball to the side he catches it game over and it's because Nelson ran a great route and he recognized two men and I recognize two man and we're on the same page um but after that going to the locker room i mean you remember like we win the game um i think we clinched the playoff spot with that win and it was pretty demoral like it was a rough locker room out the game like guys weren't like super celebratory um and i understood man it wasn't like i i felt for carson like my first thing when he got hurt was man i said a prayer and i'm like god i hope he's okay um because like you don't ever want to see a

teammate hurt. And then after the game, like, yeah, we won and everything, but like, Carson's having such a great year, such a big reason we had success. I mean, it took the whole team, but he did such an awesome year in his year, too, of really developing that team and playing at such a high level and just creating this energy, right? But yeah, that was a wild turn of events. And then, you know, you get the news shortly after that his knees, you know, he's going to have this major surgery and that you're playing the rest of the year. And that's in it, I mean, I'd say the first 24 hours with that news. I was with Nate Sudfeld in the QB room and man, there was not much film watching. It was just him and I talking through life, talking through the situation and

filling the pressure of what felt like an immense amount of weight. But I'm so grateful for that relationship with him and like Spencer Phillips and a few others where we just were able to talk through it instead of watching film that day and just realize like, you know what, it's going to be okay. We're not doing this alone. All I have to do is prepare and do my part. We have a great team. We have great coaches. We just have to trust each other and take one step at a time. But it took 24 hours of being in a QB room just like chilling, talking to get to that perspective. Because that perspective was not that way when we entered into that little little storage room that we had. Yeah, it was a storage room. Oh. Yeah. It was epic. It was cool, though. Yeah, it was I thought it was

when we came together, you know, it was really hard, but it was also a moment that that trip was kind and where we came together, especially considering the circumstance. And I remember hearing this out of your book, you know, not everybody was jazzed about you taken over. You know, you, you overheard some conversations, maybe at a restaurant or something to that effect where people were doubting our chances of doing the thing we set out to do. And you know what? I understand that from their perspective.

Like, it's easy to think like, man, like, because it really had never. never happened in that situation where I know there's been backup quarterbacks, you know, maybe before there's winning like a Super Bowl. But in that situation where you need the quarterback, you know, defense is ball and special teams playing great. But like Carson's playing at a high level, like very high level, like MVP status. So to step in and take over. Like I could see why the fans would think that. But fortunately for us, like what mattered was the, as much as we love the fans, what matters the most is the facility in that locker room and what we think. And I think that's what special is, you know, in the locker room,

because I had been there previously, a lot of those guys knew what I was capable of doing. So they weren't worried. They just wanted me to get up to speed of what they knew I could do. And that takes time. Like going in and playing at the end of the season when everyone's playing their best ball and your team's playing their best ball and you have not been playing other than scout team. And we all know scout team, you lose all your fundamentals. Now, you develop a lot of ball, but, like, fundamental-wise, you're not very good because, like, stuff's breaking down all the time.

So I had to home back in, but, you know, we were able to acclimate in the final three games of the season and make something happen. Was the, like, you know, I'm a fan of Carson's, too, and I've spent a lot of time on this show being like, you know, I'd never like the unnamed source thing. I didn't like a lot of that drama because he was doing the best he could. and I know it's the hardest position in sports. And I know he wasn't healthy. Like even when he came back in 2018, you know, I don't think a lot of people realize this. The reason you had to bail us out again was his back was really fucked up.

And, you know, like. And he fractured his back. Yeah, that affects your whole mechanics and the whole thing. It's not just how's your arm doing. It's like your whole body. And he was stubborn. He didn't want to come out. He wanted to play.

And I think most fans would appreciate that. But when they don't know what's going on, They're like, hey, this guy isn't playing well. And then there was the whole, is it awkward between you guys? And, you know, like once they put the statue up of you, I know you've probably thought about this from his perspective, but like you're human. You know, like you want to be the one with the statue. You want to be, you felt like it was your story and as bad as Carson wants the team to win. The human being can't help but be like, man, this could have been me.

And I wonder how different reality was inside that quarterback room from the perception of reality. I think a lot of assuming goes into that perception. But was it awkward between you guys and was there any tension? You know what? I wouldn't say there was tension between us because we always got along in a respectful manner. But yeah, like for him, I did look at like, man, like that's not easy for him. You know, to play the year he had to get injured and then see the team, you know, go and, you know, he's so happy like super bowl ring we win a super that's not easy because he wants to be out there

playing like he's a competitor so there's definitely emotions that go into that and i'll let him speak on that but at the end of the day between us like it you know it was always a respectful relationship even to this day like i like people ask me about carson you know they'll be like house cars and but you know what tremendous player um i cheer him on like i was just texting with another day i sent him some dad season hats for the guys in kansas city that that was my contact And I'm like, hey, Carson, like, do you mind? Like, hey, take a, we'll send you whatever hats you want. And like, you know, he sent me, he didn't have to do this.

Like, he sent me a picture of, you know, the dad's season had his coffee and reading the Bible. And he's like, hey, man, just appreciate it. You know, and I'm like, do that's so cool. So then I send him one back. And then, you know, he sent me one. He wore our golf hat to the game. I'm like, he doesn't have to do that. But it's like so cool that, like, he wants to support what we're doing because he's a father as well.

And he knows, like, my heart and what we're trying, Pat and I, what we're trying to do with this brand i'm like that is so cool and so like we put it on the dad season story and i just was like this should show people like there's no like issue with like what happened but like that's not i know that i know that i know that people in the locker room know that hopefully but people just they they kind of extrapolate and yeah and project what they would do project how they would feel you know yeah and drama drama sales right drama sales you're you know you get to you're we're selling podcast in drama sales but you know what let's keep it simple um you know i love that carson's in kansas city backing up pat yeah i think that's a great fit um i think they're very lucky to have i mean

pat mahomes best quarterback in the nfl yeah i know you could have like there's other guys that are unbelievable i mean you can't argue with what he's doing there no um that's not a hot take but if cars but if carson needs to play carson will help them succeed and do what they need to do one because he's a good player great player but another one because they have a great team yeah well isn't it interesting that he's taking the same path you took to get back where it's like and i don't know if he'll ever end up back in philly they got their thing pretty figured out right now but you know l a year with with and i wonder for you and for maybe for carson like what can a year with andy do for your development and what makes that guy so special schematically having been in those those rooms

You know what, Andy does a good job of retaining most of his coaches. So he's got great coaches. They do a really great job. The lock room and how he has created that environment, Andy is the biggest saying is let your personality show. So if you ever see any clips on Instagram, YouTube, whatever you watch, the guys are having fun at practice. But watch them have fun and dance,

but then watch them lock back in, jog back to the huddle, get back in the huddle. Right. Like, they have discipline, extreme discipline. but also extreme personality. And that's very difficult to have. I've only been on teams that are extreme personality, not a lot of discipline or a lot of discipline and you hate what you're doing. He has found that balance,

but that's because every day Andy demands that. And he instills that. And he holds the star players accountable. Like, I've been in meetings. I'm not going to name names. But, like, he has held,

like, these star players accountable when they mess up. And they know from being with them, like, this is the right. going to do and it's but like a lot of coaches like if they're a star player like they let them get away with stuff he does not allow that because he knows like these guys need to drive the team because they're also need to be the leaders not all star players are leaders but he wants to develop them and the leaders um i thoroughly have always i love Andy reed I love coach read he drafted me he brought the love of the game back and you know 2016 for me just being a part of his team in kansas city

you know it's just he's really one of the greatest coaches of all time and i'm so happy the success he's having uh it's just you know there'll be a documentary on him if there isn't one already like it'll be thorough down the road that'll be pretty epic and i know like the city of philadelphia loves them yeah and it's just you know i'm honored that i got to play for him for you know two different years that's yeah it's incredible another great reunion for you probably no better reunion than that one. A lot of reunions. Yeah, dude, that's what it's all about. All right. Let's go to the Super Bowl. Guys, can you pull up a couple clips for me? I wanted to, Nick, I was on the sideline for these throws, and I was just praying you would make them because we couldn't stop a, we couldn't stop anything.

We needed you to score. I don't know if you remember me walking around. Do you remember this, the week of the Super Bowl, me walking around and asking every offensive guy, including you, how many points can you score this week? Do you remember? Remember that? How many points? Let me ask you this. As we set these plays up, what did you think it was going to take to win that game? And was there a number in your mind?

Like when you watch that defense, were you like, hey, we could score 30. We could score 41 points. Or was it like, you know, it's going to be a tough day at the office, but we have to do these specific things? You know what? I kept it pretty simple. You know, your dad, I'm a dad. we try to teach our kids things.

They don't like to listen, right? But they'll listen to someone else. We did the same thing when we were kids. I mean, you know, your dad knew what he was probably talking about, you know, because he did it at such a high level. But you probably still didn't listen. Yeah. I was the same way.

And going into the Super Bowl, I took a lot of what my dad taught me as a kid and put it into play and kept it simple in the sense of this. My dad always told me, never look at the game clock, never look at the score, play as hard as you can. can until that clock at zero and just see where you stand at the end because he didn't want me to change the way I played based on what was going on with the score or what was going on

with the clock because we all know that there's been teams that have huge leads that feel comfortable and stop playing and stop executing. So the way that worked for me was the only thing I looked for was the shot clock. And that was it. And then every now and then you see the game clock, but I wasn't really consciously thinking about that. I was just thinking about execution of plays. Hey, Doug calls the play, execute this play.

Doug calls a play, execute this play. Understand what the game situation be is. Like, I remember going to Doug at one point, I think when we got the strip sack from BG and being like, hey, what are we thinking here? Because there's like, a couple of minutes left, we're up. Like, are we wanting me to like milk the clock in the huddle? Are we wanting to be aggressive and score? Like, what are we wanting to do?

He's like, we're going. So that was the one time I remember, like, sort of like, conferring with Doug, like what is the situation? Other than that, it was just execution, execution, execution. And then I just remember looking up when the clock hit zero, when that ball hit the ground. And that was the first time I felt like I like took a breath and just like, let everything relax. And not like in a, I wasn't tense, but I was in this like flow state of just playing ball and just like mentally in such a good position to play the game where it was like peaceful, but aggressive. And at that time, I just let everything relax

and be like, it's done. We did it. We did it. We. executed we scored 41 points and that was what we needed that's exactly what yeah and your answer i think was 35 not i think you were trying to oh was it fuck hey fuck off chris like i'm trying to get into a flow state and not look at anything but i'll give you a number i think most of you guys told me in the 30s you know uh which i thought would be enough i thought would be enough but we really we really we really we really it was down to the wire there 30 all right so pull pull up this play i want i want i want to see this play. Okay, talk me through.

It is, what is it? 3-3. This is early in the game, all right? Roll the tape, Cowboy, you can see it, Nick. Right here is a touchdown. I want you to talk me through your thoughts on this play as it's happening. Yeah, this was just, I mean, I forget what we call it. It's probably double post wide deep cross.

as you can see pre-snap man coverage then man goes with the motion you know it's man so typically the deep cross is actually the throw but I also am a player that plays with instinct and gut at times and my gut wanted to throw Alshan a sort of lean it post which is a

he keeps it thin because it's man coverage and then as you see at the top he sort of leans away and creates separation and makes it amazing catch but if you're like a coach and you're watching this and you're teaching this you're probably telling your quarterback you're going Nelson down to the back right now like that's your throw and you potentially get the safety cuts Nelson you have another cross coming the other way that's a man alert but I would say the lean at post is not high on the list and so this was just gut instinct trusting a player filling it and then

Alshaw making like one of the most amazing catches you can I mean like let's keep it real like it was a good throw minded their job all this stuff but like that catch is unbelievable and the fact also like he's sponsored by Jordan brand he's up in the air with his Jordan's making this like that brand is doing so well and now they're doing even better so um that's just that's just playing good ball that's just teammates um that's just a lot of fun so probably it was something that gave us confidence Nick, that gave us confidence. It was like, oh, we're going to do the same thing we've been doing. Okay, put it to the next one.

This is fourth and one. Second quarter, I know this play. This is the Philly Special. So pause it right here, Cowboy. And this goes back to like, I've heard a story where when you came in that year, Doug was like, what do you like running? and this is the culmination of that. It's like, hey, fourth and one in the Super Bowl,

what do you guys want to run? Yeah. This is a, I think in this situation, right before this, so there was a timeout. We had, I don't know if you remember watching us all week and practice, but we had a speed option from the shotgun. And every time we butchered it and it was awful. So that was actually the play that was called.

And then we called a timeout. and I ran over the sidelines and asked for Philly, Philly. To this day, I have no clue why I asked for Philly Philly Philly, because it's Philly special. I've thought NFL films, like, and now with artificial intelligence, I know that you can create voiceovers and stuff. So there's part of me that thinks that could have happened, but in reality, my brain was just probably in a weird state.

And I said Philly-Filly-Filly, and now we have the Philly-Filly-Dad hat line and clothing line. Yeah, we do. But, yeah, I mean, when Doug and I talked to, about this because we were going to rep this against the Vikings in the NFC championship game, but we decided not to, and I just threw a touchdown to Alshaw, I made it easy, got to save the play. We were going to run this second half to go up by two scores, not first half to get up in general. But I ran over there, and I think that that situation where I'm asking for the play from Doug is a culmination of like, you know, when I was drafted, Doug flew to Austin, Texas to work me out

at Westlake High School. That was the first time I really got to build trust with him. They draft me. He's my quarterback coach. Then I come back to Philly and I'm the backup quarterback. And then everything that happens, I go over there. And Doug trusted me enough because he knew me enough to know like Nick is filling this. Let's execute this.

Because he could have overrode this play call. But he pauses and he said, let's do it. And then we run this. And I remember going up there, you know, we had a shift. We had to have like some acting that took. some time, like right here. And Lane Lane was the trigger for Kelce to snap the ball to Corey. And then, you know, Trey makes a amazing throw.

I mean, people don't realize like Trey made an awesome throw that made it easy for me. But I was just worried about the D-N right here. But the second he went down and I paused and I was out, I was just like, look this ball all the way in and just catch it and tuck it and score. And I didn't realize what this play would be for the city of Philadelphia or even the NFL. I just realized like, man, this play worked to put us up on the Patriots going in. the half time which is huge and and yeah and it is good acting buddy and and a great catch with the whole world watching brady didn't catch the ball when they threw it to him that's neither here nor there um nick when do you remember when we were getting ready for this super bowl going to do walk through

at the stadium and we were running a bunch of fake plays do you remember this and i came up to dug and i'm like what the fuck is this play dug and he's like oh we're not running this play he's like he's like we're worried the patriots are up there in the uh in the in the in the bleachers somewhere like are they're hiding in the state we're like 13 guys on the field and stuff yeah dude so you remember you guys ran a couple fake plays oh dude we we had 13 guys in the huddle and we were making we knew what formation were making but then we're like just line up and do something random so we could run our plays but it wouldn't it didn't look clean because we had 13 I mean we were shredding papers after every meeting um we had

I mean, it was crazy what we were trying to do. And, you know, they just, they like, you know, getting every advantage they can. But fortunately, this play, this play worked well and helped us out a lot. Yeah, that worked out well. Okay, let's go to the third quarter. It's a good play. Let's go to the third quarter. I think we'll keep it.

22 to 19, 725 to go. I believe we've got another touchdown here. It's third and six. And if this is the ball to court. This might be Falcon Stiffy. Yeah. Falcon Stiffy, baby. Falcon Stiffy.

Okay, so walk me through Falcon Stiffy, including like, Corey's not that open, and he's waving his hand like he's naked. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, he's a rookie, right? He's a rookie at this point, right? So, you know, you really want a man coverage versus this. And so I start my progression right to left, keep my eyes normal for the play,

because it's a typical play we run all the time. We want to get the safety out of the middle and really just get a one-on-one with Corey. Yeah. And so I drop back and I look. And then when I peek at Corey, I see like basically triple coverage. I'm like, oh, man. But if you watch closely, the defender has a, so I'm like, I'm just totally in like my

subconscious thought. There's like a slight little stumble for the defender that maybe slowed them down 0.1 miles per hour. In my body, like I'm not going to throw it. And all of a sudden my body triggered and threw the ball because I saw that and I just threw it. And then, you know, Corey makes a great catch. There's three guys around them.

I think I had a fellow Arizona Wildcat on them You know flowers I'm sorry yeah Sorry But Marquise Well I mean McCordy shows up kind of late

You know where you're like oh shit And the ball's probably already gone Yeah so like look at my eyes like you know Going starting right Keep it normal look down the middle Find them and then just like There's a split second where it's like this look I mean it doesn't look good

even when it's caught it does not it is not clean at all but there was something inside me that felt yeah he was in bounds they looked at that thing a lot yeah i agree nick i tend to agree okay hit the next one here we got the fourth and one and this was the the biggest play of the damn game i you know and no surprise you go to ertz but talk me through the thought process here yeah this is maestro so left the right read really built for man coverage you have a zone read but so we get this and i remember dropping back and your your first reads the back and we hit a big play to cori clement earlier in the game but they you know they end peels then the next is the shallow so the guy the cornerback drops off so urs is like open for a split second but if you look at it i get pressure so i got a sidestep left

put it on him he makes a great play fortunately he's a yard past the line of scrimmage i mean like you said this is like one of the biggest plays in the Super Bowl because New England gets this play right here at ball game's over probably probably probably I mean this we were all puckered up on the sideline and you can see yeah the end peeling with the back and if you have more time maybe you could hit him on like a wheel or something but you know Urich is the guy

I mean he does such a great job if you watch him like sure handed but watch his route yeah so Tray's running or no it's So Seleck's running and Erch does a great job of sort of lifting his defense and then cutting flat like lift them boom and that's because of obviously selik being a very savvy vet great tight end but then urts and him working together to make this happen naturally and knowing it's man coverage the only person that could mess up the play um fell off it but urch made a great play and we got enough for the first down by a yard and then we've got the the final nail in the coffin here 32 well yeah we're close here but 32 to

33 this is the go-ahead touchdown uh third and seven on the 11 yard line yeah we're basically sitting the back in motion it's um really it's you really have if you have numbers to the back it's really like a bubble screen but you're really trying to push the whole defense to the right and get urts your best one of your best route runners most your hand a guy on a lesser defender and having them run a slant yeah and what happened is they you know i think we barely got this ball off with the shot clock. And, you know, I look and just, Erch makes a great play. He's so open.

I threw him like a really clean softball. I did not fire this thing in there. Very, very, very catchable ball. I know that, like, at the end of it, he took like three or four steps and dove in. The ball popped out. And everyone's like, is this a catch. I'm like, this isn't a catch. The NFL is in a weird position.

He just took like three or four steps. Like, this is a touchdown. Like, he's over the white. But this was a lot of fun. So we win the game. this is not a this i'm not mining for drama here but you know i love tom the handshake thing was that much to do about nothing or have you guys ever gotten together and shook hands since like you know if you see him at like something else are you going to walk up and extend your

hand and be like hey you forgot something you know what um since then i've actually been around someone that is very close to him and ironically facetined him when i was with him and Tom just showed me the utmost respect and how much he respected me. He showed me some stuff from the Super Bowl he had and how, you know, he told me some personal things as well about that situation of like how he felt. So at the end of that conversation, I felt like, wow, you know, he just, he really does have respect for me as a player and stuff. And, you know, yeah, we did not shake hands after that game or after when I was in Chicago

in Tampa Bay. But for him, he's also a competitor. Yeah. Yeah, I just, you know, I think. out there, but at the end of the day, I did have a conversation with him. It's just a thing. But honestly, now I look at it as like a means of respect. Right. Like I got, and he let me know, like he does respect that. And maybe we got under his skin. I got under skin a little bit, but that was from respect. And, you know, Tom being, you know, one of the greatest, if not greatest

quarterbacks of all time and leader, you know, the guys that have done it is, you know, for him to respect that is huge. Because you want to have respect from your competitors, right? win or lose. So since then we've had you know, FaceTime conversation, have the utmost respect for him. I know he's doing a lot of great things with TV and everything. So I know I know people be excited to hear about the FaceTime because I don't think people realize like

it's not always what it seems and there's a thousand things going through somebody's head and, you know, like you guys are both awesome people. And two of my favorite quarterbacks both delivered me Super Bowls. What can I say? that year i thought rpo usage was a huge deal for us and it kind of feels like if you if you went back and tried to run that same offense again it might not work the same do you feel that way like you guys were a little ahead of the curve there yeah i think we were ahead of the curve um you know we

executed really well our i mean o line tremendous those guys are unbelievable i mean people don't give them enough credit you can't have success without a great o line we had a great o line felt so comfortable the way they communicated, made calls executed upfront, tremendous. That's huge part of the RPO game is points, blocking, execution, guys on the exterior, you know, receivers running the correct routes at times versus coverage, man coverage. We had a, you know, alert, alert where we would change the routes to more rub routes, and they had to be on it. They're fantastic.

Our coaches did a great job teaching it. We did a really good job. Now, the NFL, these defenses are very, very good. and the one thing I've realized through my time in it, they adapt so fast. So if you get away with something one year, you will not get away with it next year. Unless it's the brotherly shove.

And then it's just impossible because they're just so good, right? Let's keep it real. You can't stop who was there. And you got Jalen Hertz back there that can squat like 500 pounds. Yeah, I mean, dude's a beast. But yeah, I think we were ahead of it. We executed and then it became more difficult. But where we were also ahead of it was,

Coach Stoughtland did such a good job of making our So in the Super Bowl, I've watched things back And the commentary is like, man, these coaches are geniuses Doug Peterson's a genius. Everyone thinks RPO is just a slant router or stick, but we're throwing go balls. And that's because our play action was past 67, past 66, which is an R, it looks like an RPO play action.

You're hot if two come off like the put where the running back's coming from. But other than that, backside, you can see you're hot. You're protected in the back because the back is going to funnel and help with number four. And so, but it's a dropback pass. But it looks like an RPO. So we executed left and right in the Super Bowl.

And that really started with like Chip Kelly. And it was called like past 246, past 247. We changed it. But we had all signals with Chip. So Stoughtling sort of blended two worlds. And it worked really well because everyone was so afraid of the RPO because we were really good at it. I was good at executing RPO's. But then all of a sudden you had.

drawback to it, the key to defense is make everything look very similar, but do a lot of different things out of it because you don't, you want them to be a step slower. When defenses know what you're doing based on your personnel and based on alignment, they're very, very good and they're very good at stopping place. But if you can keep them a half step behind you, you're going to be able to execute at a good level and hopefully score more points. Yeah, especially on the quick stuff. And we, I mean, it just was like peeling bananas for us that you're right. You mentioned stout. who's a guy on that staff that you think didn't get enough credit for that run? I mean, I'd say the guys that, I mean, we, that was one of the most impressive

coaching staffs I've been a part of, just from the teaching and from what they brought to practice every day, what they brought to the film room. But I think on most staffs, the guys that don't get enough credit are the quality control guys, the guys that are doing the grunt work, the guys that are putting the playbooks together, you know, like the Spencer Phillips of the world, who now Spencer's in Oregon coaching high school ball and doing a great job of it. I always like to look at the quality control because those are the guys that are grinding that are getting the coaches ready, giving them the material to breaking down the film so then the coaches can do their jobs. And it

really takes everyone. So I'd say our quality control staff that year was the unsung heroes. At the tail end of your career, I kind of wonder, it was hard for, it was hard for me past my prime to be like, oh, I'm not that guy anymore. I wish I was still, you know, like I'm, I'm winning. I'm having a great time, but I wish I was who I was a couple years ago. And like for you, part of that is situational being in the right spot with the right coaches and the right team and that it's harder for quarterbacks. But do you ever look back like and say the last couple years I was thinking about trying to get back there or were you just being where your feet were? As you said it earlier, like was it ever almost like a gift and a curse to succeed at that level? And then the last couple years,

you're like, you've tasted it, you know? No, I think that's a great question, Chris. The honest answer is I remember playing the Saints and the playoffs and, you know, 19. And remember, you know, we don't win the game. We get real close. I don't play like the cleanest game in the world, but like we executed and had a chance at the end. And I remember just dropping back and playing in the Superdome and like playing with the guys and running that offense and getting the play calls and changing things and doing stuff. And I'm like, man, this is so much fun.

I love this. I can play this forever. Like, this is my offense. This is what I do. Like, if I got to run this offense and play with these guys and wear this midnight green, like, I could do this forever. Like, this is so awesome. The reality of the situation is things change real quickly, you know, and I, you know, leave.

And you go somewhere else. And when I look back, the blessing was I was able to have success in the NFL. and do it with a great group of guys. The hard part was, you know, I didn't get to always spend, you know, I didn't get to spend that time with just that one team. But also moving different teams taught me so much and I got to meet so many different people. I got to meet so many great teammates.

Like I, in Chicago, sharing a locker with like, you know, right next to Jimmy Graham and Khalil Mack for two years. Like, that's pretty cool. Pat O'Donnell is one of my best friends. We started dad season because we both are passionate fathers and we want to instill things. That's from Chicago. Sam Ellinger in Indianapolis is 10 years. younger and me and went to West Lake High School.

We developed a brotherhood being together just because we're an indie. There's all Jacksonville, like being around those guys and now they're having success and now, you know, having them tell me, man, you told me what this was like, we didn't believe it. This is so cool. I'm like, yes. So I'm so grateful for that. But definitely looking back, the hardest part was feeling that way in Philly and tasting

success and knowing what I could do at a high level and then going elsewhere and everything's different and personalities are different. and you can't do, you can't play. There's just things like that change, I should say. And it's not what it used to be. Yeah. And then even at the end of my career when I kept like, even last year when I'm thinking about playing, right, I'm making sure I'm done.

There were moments where like, I'm like, man, I missed it in the sense of like my time in Philly. Like even in like 18, which is a tough year, like we almost made it back to NFC championship game. but that wasn't an easy year for any of us. No. But what I had to come to the conclusion was that team is no longer there. Those coaches are no longer there. This is different. It's great that we have those memories, but all they are are memories.

So move on. So it was a mixture of all worlds. And I just chose, you know, through the course of this last year, doing emotions, just to look back and have gratitude. Like, how cool is that I got to play in the NFL for 11 years? Got to be around great men. and women and do you know go through some really tough times some bad teams which taught me a lot about myself taught me more than winning and then to have success and win that's really special because then

you realize it's so hard to do that but the losing gave me perspective of like how to handle the winning so all that I get to take into this next chapter of life and I'm super grateful for that yeah it's going to serve you well thinking like that here's a couple on the NFL right now we'll get you out of here The Mahomes thing, it feels like we're watching the last dance. I interviewed Josh Allen last week and I was like, dude, I feel for you because it feels like you're living in the last dance and you're trying to rewrite that story and be, you're trying to beat Jordan. You know, you're trying to keep another last dance from being shot in real time.

Who is the number two in the NFL? We know who the number one is. There's a lot of debate year to year about, is it Joe, is it Josh? is it Lamar, you know, could it be Herbert in a couple years? Like, how do you see that top five landscape shaking out? I mean, it's hard. I mean, all those guys, like, I think there's just some things you can't rank. I think you can try. I think what you just said is like tier one. Like tier one, there's tier one, tier two, tier three. And then tier three are guys that eventually jump up at the tier one. I mean, but I'd say right there, those are all those guys have the potential

and ability to lead their team to the Super Bowl, therefore they're the right guy to be playing for that team, right? That's how I look at it. How about Justin, because this is a big year for him with Harbaugh and, you know, like somebody, everybody watches Justin Herbert's like, wow, what could be, you know? And I don't, as you know, gosh, your career is a prime example of this. And I always tell people this is like,

it's so hard to just look at a player's body of work in one place and be like, that's who that player is. is there's only a few players who can transcend any scheme any context and i look at your career and it's like a perfect example is like you're the super bowl MVP what do we make you look like in st louis you know like it's not like you forgot how to play football herbert's had a lot of change around him and you know he hasn't been always in the best situations he comes into this season he's got planter fasciitis for a guy who probably has had this at some point, when you come out of camp with an injury like that

in your lower third, what do you think the effect of that is on your mechanics? And do you have a positive outlook for somebody playing through that? Yeah, I mean, that's frustrating. I mean, coming out of training camp, I mean, you're always going to be like sore, little banged up just because it's a lot of stuff. But when it's something that's significant

that hurts your fundamentals, it's frustrating. In Jacksonville, going into like week one, like it's the week before week one against Kansas City Chiefs. It was a really hot, humid day. We had just done some exercises in the weight room that really stressed my, like, you know, core area. And then I did like a sprint out pass and like totally like strained like my entire side. I had to go into, you know, the game, my first game, like with it strained.

And that was frustrating. And then, you know, I shatter my collarbone and Jacksonville. You know, this is when I'm playing for Jacksonville. And that's just like tough. So like in his situation, you know, obviously he's taking care of it, boot. They're trying to calm it down. And the training staff, hopefully, you know,

most of them are doing a great job. But as it pertains to the success, you know, that he could have with Healthy, I mean, we've seen what he's done since he's entered the league. That is not a small feat. I mean, the guy has set records and is on a record pace and has succeeded in every situation he's been in, including high school and college.

And I've personally been around him a little bit. And I'll tell you, the guy is at a very, impressive individual, very impressive athlete. And you can tell just from being around him, he's the type of guy in the locker room that guys resonate with and he can lead a team because he just seems like a genuine guy and doesn't try to be anything he's not. And that matters, as you know, in a locker room. Like coaches, players, like if you're genuine, even if you have a weird personality or different personality, if you're like that, like guys like you, if you're someone that tries to be something and you're not really that way, like it doesn't go over well. But, but, you're,

I really like I'm a huge fan. I want him to have great success. Obviously, Harbaal is going to demand a lot from him and from his team. He always has, but I mean, his record speaks for itself as well. The guys had success all the way back to when, you know, he started coaching. And coming off, you know, a national championship, that's pretty awesome. And, I mean, it's not like he hasn't coached for a Super Bowl and done things like that. I mean, he's had amazing success in the NFL.

So I think with the quarterback like Justin Herbert and the team that they're, developing they got some good players i think that they're going to do really well with justin fields you only saw him for a year he's much different player than he was when you played with him yeah um i'm you know the talent he has is like tantalizing so i'm always like an upside guy and i look at him and i'm like somebody's got to be able to make him into a franchise qb how how steep is that climb watching him and what did you learn about him just in being with him for a year you know i was with him as rookie year and rookie years are always you know tough that was the last year of that coaching staff.

So all of us had to go through a lot. He had to go through a lot as a rookie. That's not easy. But to see him, I think when you look at Justin, athletically, like one of the best athletes in the NFL. You know, and then you see him as a quarterback. I feel like every year he's getting better and better and better. And he's just coming into his own.

So I agree with you. If he gets in the right situation with the right staff that builds the offense around him, every play call does not have to be perfect because he, He can make you right with his legs and with his decision making. So my hope for him, and obviously Russell Wilson is a future Hall of Famer. So let's not take anything away from Russell. Russell's still got some in him. He's still going out there and doing his thing.

But I think it's awesome that Justin Fields gets to be with Russell Wilson because he gets to see how Russell conducts himself, how he works, and how he studies film. That's valuable as a young player. I got that, you know, when I was with Alex Smith, that was year five. And I got to fill that structure that worked for me. And that was year five. So Justin's in that same situation where this is going to benefit him greatly. And I think we'll see if it's not this year because Russell may say Russell's a quarterback,

like we will see big jumps from Justin Fields and what he does because he's with Russell Wilson and he's going to get to learn how to prepare. It's my hope for him and I hope he succeeds. Can you speed up somebody's processing? Because I know that's the one thing when I watch him. I'm like it could be a little quicker, you know, getting through the progression. reading the full field. Obviously, he can make a lot of great throws and he's a smart guy, but processing is not just IQ, you know, like processing is a field thing. And I wonder how much in

your experience you've seen guys get better at processing, or is that just kind of a thing that you are what you are? You know what? I don't think it's you are what you are. I think a lot of that has to do with coaching staff and game planning and type of offense around you. I think as a coach, it's important to recognize the type of players you have and where their strength and weaknesses are and build a offense game plan around those because that will give you the ultimate success. There's two frames of thought.

Coaches that build around their players and put their players in a position to succeed and then there's coaches that have their offense and say this offense has worked, you will make it work, and there's no choice. I play for both. My favorite is, Andy Reid is a, we're going to put you in a position to succeed

and we're going to build around our players and we're going to have fun doing it. So I prefer to do that. Doug Peterson was much like that as well. So I think what Justin Fields is the key to success is how do you allow his mind to be calm when he plays? Like if you're a coach that's like you're going to make every mic point, you're going to make every protection call, and then you're going to read the coverage, then you're going to audibly and do that. I wouldn't like that. I didn't like that. When I was in Philadelphia, Kells made all the calls for all his quarterback.

and then I would give him time to adjust calls and very seldom did I ever change what he did maybe once or twice and I like to bring that up to this day to Kelse because there was a couple of times that I overrode him and he's like you were right but that's like 0.01% of time yeah that helped me out and then I go to teams that it's like hey you got to make the might point and then you got to change the mic point and then you got to do this and you got to do that and it's like you only have so much amount of time when you get to the line I wasn't great at that I needed to work together to do what I need to do align if I need to override you. So the key to success to any quarterback is knowing how they process and how they function to before the ball snapped. And then

what plays are you calling on and how are you teaching them to read the coverages and plays to most importantly execute the play to move the chains? Like there's some coaches that it's too much. You want your mind simple so you can play fast. The NFL is too fast to play slow. So I think with any quarterback we're talking about Justin Fields. who he is, recognize how to make him better. If you do that, you're going to see a lot of success because you have a good defense, your offense will be dynamic and threatening. We all know when you're playing defense and you know your offense is threatening and you

can score points, you all play better because you know that we're going to score points. When you play on a defense that your offense can't score points, absolutely sucks. Yeah. It's awful. So that's sort of my tangent. I hope that they build it. Obviously, it's Russell Wilson. I'm not in the news every day.

I'm not like watching everything. Yeah, you ain't, hey, bro, you ain't at that point yet where you lose your mind and join the media. Yeah. That hasn't happened yet. And I, in respect to Russell, the guy's a future Hall of Famer. And like, I'm just talking about a young player that at some point in his career, if it's two, three years from now after Russ is, you know, decided whatever it is. I hope that he succeeds and he's ready to go because I see Justin having success in the right situation. All right, man.

this is this is the big one i wanted to ask you was i got a lot of little kids now that find out i played football like my my son's friends or even my kids like they'll ask me about players and then occasionally they'll ask me about myself they'll be like hey dad were you really good or what were you better than this player i'm like man we don't need to get in all this but if if somebody wanted to to build a or write a qb headstone for you you know your career just ended they want to succinctly put what kind of player you were or what you're going to be remembered for. What's the most honest assessment of your career? Because your career is so unique.

You know what? I think one of the greatest compliments I had was from O. Lyman in Chicago. We were playing against the Seahawks. I got the word Friday morning before we played on Sunday. It was a snow game that I was playing. So I got Friday practice. That was my first practice with like the ones all year.

And so like not a lot of reps. You're going to play against a team. trying to play for the playoffs on the road. And we have a two-minute drive to win the game. And it's been a chaotic year. That whole staff has fired at the end of the year. I remember I stepped into the huddle and I said certain things that calm the huddle. We went down, players made plays, scored touchdown, get the two-point conversion, win the game. That O-Lyman came out to me after the game and said, man, I don't know what you did, but like you were able to calm the entire huddle in a chaotic situation and let us just play ball

and not think about anything else. Like, thank you. So I don't know what you put on a headstone, but that was one of the greatest compliments because we all know that there's so much stress in football. There's so much stress in life. And we feel it. Even in that situation, going on two-minute drive,

like, you know, you're calm, you're confident, you're playing, you're being present, but, like, there's still a lot on the line. So being able to instill that in another player, I would say I was a player that served his teammates to help make them better. That was always the goal. And I got to be in different roles, whether it was starter, backup, or even I was demoted to three.

For whatever reason. And that was tough, but it taught me a lot. And I still got to impact players by how I handled myself each day. And my goal was always to impact them and impact young players. And you know it is. Like you go into a facility every day with the right mindset. And then within five minutes, something can shot, like shoot that mindset down or someone can say something to you and you're in the dumps. Yeah.

I felt that. I've gone through that by no means was I perfected at it all, but I always strive to be the best teammate I could be, no matter what my role was. So that's how I wanted to play the game. That's how I wanted to finish the game. Was I perfect every time? No, but I feel like I ran the race to the best of my ability,

and I'm just super grateful for the time. Yeah, man, I think you hit it on the head, man. You were an amazing teammate. I mean, you really were. And somebody that I still tell people, I'm like, he's just unaffected by success. You know, you have not changed at all. And if I were to give you a compliment, that would be it as like,

I've seen so many guys have success. And whenever you're asked about your success, you mention all, I asked you about the Alshanthar. You're like, hey, let me keep it a bean. That was an incredible catch. You really did always lift the people up around you. And as an athlete, I'll say this, to get into that flow state that you were in on that run or in the year with Chip or when you had your high moments, like, I have so much admiration for somebody who's able to do that. And that takes tremendous mental toughness and confidence without being cocky.

You never were cocky. And so I just, I enjoyed my time with you, man, whether you were in St. Louis and we were nursing our wounds in the cold tub thinking, are we going to retire? Is this? Or we're on top of the world. Hugging at the parade, man. It was, you're the same guy. And I think that's the people that that, that don't change.

And they remain true to who they are. And who you are is, is not worth changing either. but I was really appreciative of the time we had, man. I love you. I'm just so happy for you and proud of you. No, I love you too, man. I appreciate it. I mean, you talk about that cold punch in San Luis,

but man, how hot was that hot tub? A hot tub was a hot tub. They were trying to kill whatever was whatever we were absorbing outside. Whatever was growing in our city. They were trying to get out. No, because we had an Aaron Brockovich situation outside

with the burning trash under that hill that we practice next to. You get the wrong win there, that thing, that place, the landfill right next door. Well, now that I basically signed you off and told you how great you are, my last question is, do you want us to all grow up and stop using your nickname? Oh, man. You know what? I feel like I have no comment for that. I can't tell a grown man what not to do.

I think everyone find, for some reason, find so much joy in the nickname. And I can't take away that joy. I mean, I'd say the person that makes, who do you think has the most drawing that nickname? Brent Selig. Should we shout out Brent? Selig does. Selig loves to talk about that nickname in length and depth. And I think, I think you, bro, I just think you're the best, bro.

I appreciate you. And I'm so thankful that you came on and had this long conversation because you got to see it to believe. You got to hear it to believe. But this guy is exactly what he seems. And I'm just so lucky to play with him. And then lastly, Foles, where can we find this awesome dad season apparel that I've been rocking pretty much every day? So just go to D-A-D-S-ZN.com. So that's our website.

It will have all our social media handles, everything on there. You know, just yesterday we're talking and we're developing four new hats that will be really cool. Two new Philly colors. A, you know, we have this dad, no day's golf hat that I love, a potential more like, South Beach color. And then I really think we have a cool golf line. We have a, our golf logo has a broken club.

When we were designing it, I'm like, you know, when I think about dad's playing golf, I think of frustration, wanting to break a club. So I was talking with our designer, she's awesome.

She developed something that, with a broken club. I'm like, that's genius. So then yesterday I was talking with Tori and I'm like, you know what? When I think of that,

I think of the slogan, we broke the club. So, you don't have to. So I was like, man, that's pretty cool. So we're developing a new golf hat. I want to do a golf line. I'm working on my golf game in retirement.

I mean, it's a frustrating sport, man. It's like mental. We'll get out there. We'll get a marathon in with Kelse. We'll do a little golf thing. And climbing mountain. And Kilimanjaro. Hey, I know.

I talked to half marathons. You got no excuse. I talked to Kelse about that. He scared me to death. Well, because Kelsey's, he had one of his meltdowns. on the mountain. So Nick, congrats, man,

and thanks for coming on the show. Appreciate it, Chris. Thanks for having me.