Green Light with Chris Long - Osi Umenyiora! Best NFL Edge Rushers, Training Camp Fights, NFL In Africa, Eli In The HOF? Gatorade Color Debate. Lululemon Dressing Rooms.

Episode Date: August 10, 2021

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Yeah. So I was like, hey, Devonse. And as soon as I walked to him, he was like, shut the brother. I was like, okay, cool. It just, it just kicked off from there, man. It just kicked off. And the one thing I remember is Matt Ryan came to me after that. He was like, damn, O'Say, I didn't even know you had that in, bro.

Love is love, Macon. That's what I always say, Chris. When did you start saying that? Well, tune in a little later. previously recorded interview with Ossi Umun Yura. I'm sorry, umin Yura. Yeah, a little spoiler.

His name's not what you think it is. All y'all have been wrong for decades. All of us. There's egg on all of our faces. Us included in y'all. Absolutely. The man's name hangs in my house. And you've been saying it like a,

just an uncultured swine for, for millennia. Hey, Dr. Fax is here. the main thing we have to talk to him about is what we've been dancing around here for 15 minutes in the studio dr fax brought the ashtray out he sat in his his little fax station back there he looked like he was preparing to burn up another white owl roach doovie bong rip volcano dome cone cone and you're not a fan of that. Why?

Well, for several reasons. I'm not a fan of it. One, it gives me a headache. Two, I left the studio maybe a week or two back when you were Montana and I went to let's just say a professional setting in which I smelled like

Snoop Dog and it was a problem. Luckily, I had another shirt in the back. Why couldn't it be a fish concert? And so I went home my lovely wife said, whoa. And I was like, you'd think so, wouldn't you? But let me tell you, nah, it was just facts. Secondhand from facts, I have a headache, nearly lost my career due to this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, uh, leafy polo.

I got thankfully sitting in the back seat and not on my person because I, I, I had a spare, but it's a problem on a, on a, on a host of levels. So you guys just got to work this out facts. Not to mention it might not be as illegal as it was, but I don't know where you got it. I don't think you can obtain it legally. No, you can from a friend up to announce. He just gets it from friends. No, actually you can personally grow it yourself also now. You're allowed for plants at household. Okay. As long as you put on there for personal use only with your driver's license number. And for that reason, that's why I'm not calling the cops on you guys but well we appreciate that but so what you're saying is cones don't smell as bad as as as as as blunts whatever maybe that's what i'm saying if you guys want to like start doing other

legal things in here like committing murders or something i'm going to draw a line at some place murder wouldn't smell as bad and uh and i you know i got to give credit where credits do facts a little earlier today uh went out onto the glorious outdoor deck you've got going on there, which I think was a big improvement here for. All right. Let me be the Treaty of Versailles. The Eppley named studio. Okay.

Let me be the guy that extends the olive branch. Maybe we do cones while we're recording. I quit them, but maybe I could pass the torch to Nate. So like recording a podcast sober is just not in the cards? You know, right. Arroyous laughter. Okay. How about we check back with Dr. Fax in the D block.

Okay. And we figure out what his plan of action. So he can think about it for a little bit. Okay. Fax, you got anything to say? We're working on this Bond sponsorship, and you're throwing a real wrench in it right now. Yeah, supposedly like, you know,

Seth Rogan, Seth Rogen, we tweeted at him and maybe you never know he might see it. So you're potentially messing up the money, which of which you could see some of. Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah. like all that hello fresh money i've been seeing all that uh all that upstart get you out of debt

money i've been seeing i think you might have lost my address there big fella and i'm just right over the way you can hand it off uh hey anyways uh man what a day yesterday dr fax and i'll talk about it later we went tubing we invited you on the record invited you thank you's a great day um had a bunch of beers i woke up ahead of dealer's choice breakfast you know what that is yeah that's where you you you you don't black out but you're a little bit it's hazy remember and what you ordered for grubhub and then you just wake up and it's at your door and it's like dealer's choice we'll see what was it dealer's choice ivy provision shout out yeah shout out um you got a hello noxfield tennessee hello home of philip fulmer who made

a big appearance uh at the hall of fame i had not seen philip fulmer in years in public and there he was he looked pretty good. Do you recall the Fulmer Cup? I don't. It was a standings. I'm comfortable with that English. It was a standings in which some entity kept track of the number of arrests for colleges throughout the year. And he had the most.

Oftentimes Tennessee was atop that list, so it became the Fulmer Cup. They really like to fuck around in Knoxville, huh? Yeah, shout out to Knoxville. I'm sure we have some listeners in Knoxville. I mean, we've done Cucamonga. We haven't heard back from Cucamonga. Rancho. Yeah.

I don't think they like us there. Yeah. They're off the list. It's funny. You can sound more southern by saying Knoxville, and yet you can also sound more southern by saying Knoxville. I don't know. I think Knoxville with a U is like the, that guy's from down there.

Well, certainly for Louisville. They're very protective of that. Louisville. Louisville. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you say Louisville, I wouldn't want to be you at the bus stop in Louisville. Hey, layup line today. You can get the biggest in there back in the store if you want.

I gave in the drug, they set it up. I got him on it. I bought a new paddock. I had to white so I two tones. Taking these drugs, I'm going to be up until the morning. Drip too hard by Little Baby. I asked Nate who we should use for Layup Line today because I've run out of songs at the moment. And he said, you could use Da Baby, but he's in trouble.

so I chose one of the other babies. Little Baby, the song is Drip Too Hard. At some point you run out of descriptors for babies. Well, no, I have a few written down here if I was to be a rapper and I went down in that direction. Big Baby. Glenn Davis. Strong baby.

Oh. Loud baby. Nice. Shitty baby. Uh-huh. Nothing scary than a shitty baby. That's coming up in my bad. Really?

Yes, it is. Oh, man. Look at that natural. way. Hey, housekeeping today. A lot of good stuff going on. First off, I want to shout out whoever's growing Dutch Hawaiian marijuana. I shout out a strain from time and time again here. I'm not a sativa guy at all. I found a sativa I love and I'm sticking with it. And whoever's growing it, thank you very much. Shaq Winbet. Welcome, Shaq. Meet Winbet. Big Shaq is now our coworker.

Hopefully we get them on the pod soon. Also, ordered about 300 cans of Gatorade to the office here. So that'll be coming soon. Terrific. Cans or bottles? Cans, bro.

What flavors? Green and red. Green and red. That's right. The two best flavors. We left the orange out. Green. By green, do you mean lemon lime? Lemon lime. I know I'm using the colors. I'm aware. That'd be a yellow, I think. No, no, no.

Like even like the label is going to be yellow. Oh, no, but the beverage is green. Oh, Fax is holding one up. That's a yellow. That looks like green to me. Dude, I'm talking about the cans. What are you talking about? Lemon, lime, though.

You can't just try to change the flavor. The color of the Gatorade is green. Why does lemon get the freaking... That's yellow, bro. People literally call it green Gatorade. You're talking about lemon lime being yellow. Yes. That's a green Gatorade, dude.

Oh, golly, man. Stop. I'm afraid for your... Apple reviews. You really think this is yellow? I mean, do you really think this is green? Yeah, I do. I think that's more of a green liquid than a yellow liquid.

Are you kidding me? No, this is a joke right now, right? Bro, like quite literally when you bet on the games and in the Super Bowl, like, hey, they're going to dump X, Y, Z on the coach. Green's off the board because it's not a Gatorade color. Is yellow on the board? Yes. You're fucking with me, dude.

Okay. So what are the colors of the stoplight? Green. Yellow and red. So where's the yellow and where's the green on the stoplight? How is this relevant? Because it's just like how do you think this is... Do you even think this is relevant?

Yes. He's on your side. Do you think this is relevant? The stoplight? Cowboy Reed, what color is it? Hey, break the... It's not even a tie. Just so easily yellow.

Oh my God. The color is yellow. Yeah. The color of green Gatorade is yellow. It's not green Gatorade. It is green Gatorade. Fruit Punch. I regurgitated fruit punch as a young buck.

Man, I haven't had it since. That's a motherfucker right here. You search green Gatorade. They got one of the side colors. They got one of the side flavors. Like one of these like post-2000 flavors. This is okay.

This is a growth opportunity for you. I'm not, I just don't, yes, this is more green. You know, a green apple is quite clearly green. But lemon lime is no more yellow than it is green.

It's a very yellow color. Like I, are you okay? I'm just fine, dude. This is like a greenish yellow, if anything. Now, this is trippy. This is the Green Live podcast. Do you know what green is? Yes, I do, but there are many shades of green.

Yellow not being one of them. There are people breathing behind the machine. Like, I just fucking punched a baby. I, what's going on here? I don't, I don't want to do this with you right now. What God, dude. Anyways, a bunch of yellow Gatorade's coming here. Delicious.

Phenomenal flavor. In a can. That's the lead, guys. The cans taste better than anything else you could ever drink. The cans of Gatorade. I tweeted about this this week because people were discussing Gatorade. I don't know if you have a favorite flavor, the two of you. But for me, it's Glacier Cherry.

But Glacier Cherry in a bottle, I'm taking any. flavor of Gatorade in a can any day of the week. When I went to Oxnard, circa 1991, I was fucking around kind of when I said that this weekend, but the coolest most memorable thing about visiting my dad at camp were the ice cold cans of Gatorade. The second coolest thing was Bo Jackson.

Yeah. But I'm telling you, as soon as I sipped one of those things, one, I knew my dad was okay, and they were treating him good at camp. sure he was practicing two a days in the dead heat of Oxnard for like half the year but he had those little cans of Gatorade

and I decided that day that I was going to become a pro football player so I could taste the nectar of the gods with regularity and for free but when I got to the NFL they switched all these fuck boy flavors and all these little sippy cup like bottles with the sippy top

our boy's shock Stephen Shock over there Scooch uh scooch like Mississippi top bottle. The can is the best vessel, the aluminum. I don't know what it's doing for it, but it's doing a lot for it. It's probably giving us something we don't want.

Now, if that were the first 25, 35 seconds of your Hall of Fame speech, another segue, you'd be doing pretty well. If that's the day that you decided you're going to become a pro football player. If, yeah. If they ever have like a. lower hall of fame they ever start doing like a hall of pretty good like a foyer of fame before you get to the hall just like with a powder room as long as we have a bathroom in that motherfucker i'd be happy to be in a hall of pretty good you should put one on because i'll give a great speech we're

going to talk about the speeches later and then we've got a guy who you know in the interview spoiler doesn't think he's a hall of famer but i think o'sa um and yore for the importance um when it comes to pass rush and some of the numbers he put up and the D lines he was on. He's being a little self-deprecating, but OCU and yours should at least be discussed. I mean, every year we discuss all types of people with lesser resumes than him. I'm not saying he's a Hall of Famer, but it shouldn't be laughed off the way he did. Humble guy, great pass-rush. He's going to join us.

Talk about Eli. You're going to talk about, you know, D-line rooms. Nate was a part of some of them. So Dr. Fax, you know, was waiting in the wings to put Osi on the spot on a couple things. really fun interview and for me a guy that I absolutely loved coming out watching him play watching him you know with that chop club like absolute technician and wore number 72 and made it look good and that was half the reason half that I wore that shitty number in St. Louis for two years what else was up for grabs at that time uh I want to say like maybe 99 you could look back

wow really like 99 but 72 over a 99 yeah I don't like 99. There weren't very many. It was a packed house there. So I picked it and I couldn't wait to get out of it. And when I could get out of it and Leonard Little retired after my second year, I went to Steve Spagnoll and I said, hey, coach, the guy who wore 91, my college number, he's not here anymore. Could I wear a 91? And he said, why don't we wait a year?

I'm hoping maybe Leonard comes back. Well, guess who was going to, if Leonard came back, guess who wasn't? playing so much your boy. So it was a double bird from the head coach. But eventually I got back in 91 and the rest is history. It doesn't sound as it's not as cool as

it sounds, but the rest is history. Yeah, so we're going to talk to OSE another little housekeeping bit. Diana Rossini had her baby. That's correct. Hall of Fame baby. Literally waited until Canton to push a baby

out. I don't know the sex to the baby. I read about it briefly. Saw the post. Didn't want to bombard her with likes or comments like everybody else. We want to give her space. But I did text her to let her know when she's ready to do her post baby press conference. We'd like it to happen here on the Greenlight Pod. Walk us through it. How'd it go? Why'd you pick the Hall of Fame weekend to have that baby? And I'm just guessing that Michael Andrew is a boy. Yep. Congratulations to Diana and her husband, who I love, who she absolutely shit on on national TV one time. I think he's a Kevin.

Kevin. Kevin. Kevin. Congrats to the Racine's. Well, he has a different name. Most likely. There's a baby. Diana, come on the show and give us the scoop on how it all went down.

Also, lastly, housekeeping, this is positive. I took the Vikings under on wind total. this year. And I feel like it's the best bet I've ever made and it's a huge bet. What's the number? The number was nine when I got it. Okay. What's that mean? That means if the Vikings win less than nine games, I win redacted money. And it's a lot of money. But if they find a way to squeak out 10 wins and think about it, you've got 17 games now. So all these numbers are totally different looking than they were a year ago. I'm going to have to pay my employer the win.

So anyways, go everybody else in the NFC North and go science. Plexiglass ain't going to work, Kurt. Lead buried knocked the Hall of Fame game out of the park. Exactly, dude. I'm talking about like just. Very nearly picked the final score. Very nearly picked it.

We had the under, had the distillers. Fuck, they only had seven of them going to the Hall of Fame. you didn't think they were going to win one for the Gippers. Like, they got it done, dude. And what a start for me. This could be my year. This could be my year. And of course, what do I do?

I go bet a fuck ton of it on the Phillies. We'll get to that in a second. You want to do good, bad, ugly? I'd love to. So much good. Let me knock out the minor goods. Sequan trending this morning. Usually a no fuck for your guy.

Dude, the first picture I saw, they had him on a cart. Because that's like one of the stock photos. and I'm not making a joke. It's just like, be careful the pictures you post when Sequin's trending. I was like, damn, he got hurt again? Today, Monday the 9th activated from the physically unable to perform list. That's a good. Yeah.

Al Shingoon, you'll remember him from my big board, number five. He's like the best player ever to hoop. For sure. Scored like 50 points in Summer League's first game. That's good. That's important. It was 15 and 15, but you translate that to 48 minutes on NBA court. You projected over a career.

He's in the Hall of Fame. Yeah. Just tried to. to whistle. Did that come across? Uh-huh. USA, women's basketball. No lips.

Okay. It's a, okay, you see the bottom lip, right? That's there. And I smile a lot. And when I smile a lot, that pulls some of the upper lip skin

to the side. I'm always smiling. I'm always happy. I'm a very positive guy. I don't have big lips either. I don't think we really need to worry about it. You hear that? Yeah,

I heard that. No lip person going to be making that noise. All right. Guys, listen, the fucking the people with the disorder. We don't want to make any noises. Shouts are out. Somebody get me a bag of chips. To Sue Bird.

Diana Tarasi, five Olympic Golds. Their coach, Don Staley. Three Olympic golds as a player. Two is an assistant. One is a head coach to go with three final fours at Virginia and Natty as a coach at South Carolina. How awesome is she? Damn.

Olympics. They were my, that's my official. That's your official gold medal for the, for the Olympics. Okay, yeah, redacted. And to put a bow on my good, Chris came over. Chris came over the other night. That was fun. And golly day.

We had a great talk. You, uh, yes, you called me a D-I-C-H-E-A-D right before you came over because you misread a text message. Yes, you, you smoke drugs in my dog's face. Not in your dog's face. Your dog wanted the drugs. I'm just telling you that, like, Zoe Rabbit had a whole porch to roam around,

but Zoe was right in my lap as I was smoking said drugs. And guess what Zoe did when I left? What's that? Followed me to my vehicle. And you couldn't get her to come back. Oh, because Zoe, I turned Zoe out. My ass.

Yeah. My ass. I said, Zoe come and Zoe came. Yeah, after like 30 seconds. She walked around the yard with me. You're lying. Okay. And sure, you needed to borrow a phone charger,

but I knew that was coming. You didn't even need to say anything. I would have handed it to you. No problem. But all those things being said, what a lovely back deck sit we had. It was. It was.

That's the good? That's the good. Okay. I mean, it was good. It was a great time. And we got some really exciting stuff happening here. We were discussing a lot of exciting stuff happening at Greenlight Studios. Yep.

We're growing. All good. We're growing. Not weed. We're bursting at the seams. With goodness. With goodness and content. and it's coming your way.

Is that the whole good? Can I go now? Sure. I reckon. I made like a four-year-old believe that I was the James Earl Jones character from the sandlot, but it's going to be hard to recreate that story. Boy, that read interestingly on the show doc. Okay.

I had a, I tried to say, I was like, I want to see him pull this off. Tell us about the four-year-old that thought you were James Earl Jones. His parents had me over for a supper and my wife and kid, and so we had a little baseball toss in the backyard. And then to the end of it,

He's like, are you a professional baseball player? To which I said, I was. I said baseball was life and I was good at it. But then the lights went out. And he was like, really? And I was like, yeah, fastball to my head. I went blind. And he was like, really?

And I was like, yeah, but I play with Babe Ruth. And I got a dog named Hercules. He's a mastiff. And I live near a baseball field. And he was like, really? I was like, yeah, all that stuff is true. The kid did not know who James Earl Jones was. He hasn't seen Sandlot.

No, but when that kid becomes like 12 and watches the sandlot, he's going to be like, motherfucker. That guy made all that up. That guy's white. Yeah, exactly. So that was a long play joke for that kid. About a decade from now. I got a baseball good.

Okay. The Phillies are back, bro. The Phillies are back. Eight straight. They donkey punched the Mets, which I got to. figure out if that's like something you can't say. Zach Wheeler, two hit shutout,

retired 22 straight batters. This is a Philly voice headline that I'm paraphrasing here. The Phillies could realistically win the NL East have a Cy Young and an MVP winner. I mean, it's magic. And I feel like they got the green light pod blessing. All right?

So what I did, I just got on my little machine and I put like a trillion unit. on the Phillies winning the East. And I know what you're going to say. Just as soon as they got into first place. Just as soon as they get in first place and the odds are fucked up is like, you know,

plus 120 or something. Here's the thing. They have 50 games left, 20 are against last place teams, 10 are against fourth place teams. This is just too good to be true. Wow. And everybody's going to blame me.

I feel like the list is the podcast in Philly if the Phillies collapse here because today I'm putting a trillion units on the Phillies to win the NL East. They won eight in a row. Yeah. And you put down units. Their run differential is minus five.

Don't care. Just doing it. Baseball's back. We haven't given enough attention on this show. It's on. This is the time in baseball season where we really lean in. My clubs run differential plus 123. We're in fourth.

Well, find a different division. Or, or I say to my buddy Chris, hey Chris, put down a bunch of units on the Toronto Blue Jays because they're good and they're making a push and they've won eight out of the last 10. And you can find their record on my Twitter handle. Hey, listen, I don't know where to put this good, bad, ugly, because I truly don't know what to think about it. So I'll just say it now before it's bad and ugly so people don't lose their minds. I watched Ted Lassow. Fuck you soles.

Wow. Yeah, that's right. Now tell me exactly what you watch. Applaud. Everybody applaud. Tell me exactly what you watch. Season one, thank you. Thank you, Reid.

The entirety of season one. Thank you for the password, Reed. Is that right? No, I watched 17 minutes of the first episode. Of the first season? Yeah, dude. Listen, I got through 17 minutes of this thing. I got through the press conference.

I don't know that I'll be back. Please don't go back. I don't want you a part of this family. No. No, no, it's fine. It's bursting at the first. the seams again with just people that like coaches that make jokes every two seconds release us from this we get it ted lasso you're somewhat charming and endearing but you don't always know what to

say dog you're totally out of your element the show doesn't pick up steam until episode three or four and then it's amazing it really is amazing it's so wholesome and good and and and i thought maybe i was wrong and then season two was back and it's it's still good i can tell it's a good show i can tell it's a well done show. I can tell I get that a lot of people like it, but it just might not be for me. Kind of like what you said. Now, they got an owner of the soccer team that I

might come back to watch. I think she's great. I really enjoy her character. Bunk. She's the Nun in Game of Thrones. I know. She looks much different in this show. Shame. Shame on me. Shame. Shame.

But I'll be back. I'll watch probably. Please don't. Okay, if you do, just don't tell us about it. We don't care if you're going to watch it or not. We're going to be good for four quarters. Oh, sir, it's two halves. So you don't know anything about the thing about soccer. If there is anything wholesome, not only in pulp culture, but in life.

In life, huh? Not even in pop culture, but in life overall. Seems more like pulp fiction to me. You're not going to be into it. And that's fine. You're not a wholesome cat. No, I like wholesome stuff. Bullshit.

I love wholesome stuff. Name something wholesome. That I like? Run through some stuff. Run through some wholesome stuff. Guys, just throw out some wholesome shit. I can try to help you out. Animal videos.

Love animal videos. When animals are doing nice things and cute things, I love that. Really? Pursuit of Happiness. I like that movie. Holesome. Holesome. I love wholesome.

No, you don't. You're like. name some more wholesome stuff. You're like, I'm a highway man. I'm an outsider. Let's stay here. Let's stay here. Let's stay here.

I love wholesome stuff. Babies? Love babies. How, how warm am I around your baby? Warm. Yeah. They're quite warm. Yeah, I don't, I don't know that that's you enjoying wholesome things.

What else? Throw some wholesome shit out there. Prove it. Can't. You don't even know. You can't even name anything wholesome. It is a difficult question to answer. Yeah, because you don't like anything wholesome.

you can't name wholesome things. I've been... Ted Lasso. I enjoy consuming. Name somebody... Name something else besides Ted Lasso, which they cuss a lot,

by the way. All creatures great and small. It was on PBS. I don't know what that is. I did like a whole review of it. A couple of shows back. You were there. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

That show sucked. You could tell it sucked. We cut that thing. Oh, really? Yeah. The whole bit? The whole bit. Damn.

I reviewed like four shows. I know, but it was, it truly came from upstairs. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's fair.

Hey, whenever you want to name a wholesome thing, hopefully I'll still be alive. Christmas? Love Christmas. Hanukkah? Love Hanukkah. Maybe more.

Go on. I just, there's more days. Hey, can you be real for a second and admit that you don't, you're just, you're not a wholesome cat. No, that's not my, my style of comedy is quite literally what the problem is. There's not going to be a joke I'm going to laugh at in that whole thing.

But like it's not, it's not a funny show. So make it a serious show. You see what I'm saying? I don't like shows that don't know what they are. That show knows perfectly what it is because a ton of people like it. But it's kind of a comedy kind of serious. You just said it. I said, it's not funny.

And you said, it's not a comedy. And I said, well, I can't tell because they're trying to make me laugh. What is something wholesome? Conduasive to or suggestive of good health and physical well-being. Yeah, see, like you're on rivers drinking drugs and smoking drugs and like, you're just, you know, you're a rebel. You're an outsider. Yeah, so nothing wrong with that.

You live life on the edge, bro. I like wholesome shit, dude. I'm going to make a list of wholesome things by the D block and then I'm going to read them to you and you're going to say, wow, that's a wholesome guy. Totally right under the radar. Best friend didn't even know he was wholesome. I don't think you're going to be able to do it. You think I'm not wholesome? I don't know how many things are going to be on this list. It's 12 at least.

No. Check back in the D block with facts. We'll put this to bed for a second. I'm pretty, I tried to give this show a chance. And I guess I'm a serial killer or something. Listen, can we get to the bad? Please. It's our boy Squatch.

I love Squatch so much, dude. He's the best guest. like ever he not only was an awesome storyteller last week i found myself in post like jealous of his prowess he's very good at this he's very good at this guess that's why he's going to be wearing a suit talking to millions he's even gotten better in the last 12 months now one thing he sucks at is forgetting who died because he he said r i p or remembering who's alive maybe more accurately yeah exactly yeah exactly reek can you play the clip i threw on the um the Ray

Mysterio RIP mask and just off the top road. Could RIP be a kind of mask? It could be a kind of mask. Totally. We should follow up. But that's the bad. My bad this week is the squantch

thought Ray Mysterio was dead. No, I didn't know if Ray Mysterio was, yeah, I didn't know what he was doing, you know? He's not resting in peace. But he's alive, dude. He's alive. He's alive. He's wrestling in peace. wrestling in peace WIP.

Okay. Squanch, so just do a little wiki search. You got any bad? Yeah. This weekend took me to Lulu Lomon.

Oh yeah, yeah. You familiar? I know. So my lovely wife got me some Lulu Lameone for my birthday and we had to make an exchange.

I couldn't just run out and make the exchange. It had to be a family outing. So we're in this pretty small store square footage-wise. And I'm wearing a mask because I have a brain in my head. Yeah.

And they now ask you when you go to use a dressing room what your name is. And so I say, making, not done much work without a mask, but it's really not working through my mask into other ears on a face that is also mask. Shouldn't affect the ears, but things get lost in translation. So I'm screaming, Macon. just scream and making for them to write it on a white board when really I don't want somebody to know that that I'm in there and there are very few makings out there in the world. Yeah.

You know, so I'm in the store. Wife, wife is in the dressing room with me, with the baby. Oh, the whole family followed you in the dressing room. Whole families in the room. We're in the big room. Not that big, but the big room. And the gift was shorts with a liner in them. You familiar with these?

There's a liner in them. Yeah, wearing like a pair of, right now. As in like you're not having to wear underpants or compression shorts. A bathing suit. Sort of. It's like a walking bathing suit. It's like a walking around bathing suit. So I don't know what to do. Do I get nude to properly try these on? I need to see if there's going to be a

protuberance of any sort. Ew. Huh? Ew. No. You don't get nude. So what? I got to put them on over my boxer shorts to see if it's the right thing. Yeah. Well, here's the thing about when you go in a dressing room. It is kind of nasty when you try something on that maybe they had like. Yeah. So what if I tried those on right before you?

Oh, I understand the concept facts. So here's what happens. I get nude. And as soon as I get nude, I hear, how's it going in there making? And I'm like, well, this is why I didn't want to give you my name because I'm nude now. It's like,

but it's not that big of a deal. Okay. All right. I just want to push back here a little bit. I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Seconds later, because I'm not done. Okay. The baby has gone to the bathroom in her diaper.

Yeah. Okay. Good thing she's wearing a diaper and not a fucking pair of shorts with liners. Right, right, right. But we're past like the yellow seedy poop of an infant. We're into like full on odorous, muddy goop. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So now the baby's nude.

She has seeds in there. I'm nude. The baby's nude. everybody in the place knows my name. I'm putting on these shorts, which as fax is noted, has seen several units. Probably.

I mean, that's the thing about it. Maybe you should have just took them home. Well, you're still going to get yoga bro's dong on your dong. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't know. You just,

you order them from the factory, the Lulu factory. So we'll get to the end of the story by saying, went with the linerless shorts ultimately already trying on the ones with the liner

not for me but that's why you tried them on you know I didn't want to go home and then be like but you still got what you were afraid of getting which was like

dong on dong transitive dong the law of dong not afraid of it just not knowing the protocol this was my first linered short athletic short

try on they're great you want to try mine on Nah, and from now on, not giving my real name at Lulu Lemon or any other such. You want to know something about that tag? I was complaining about the Lulu tags. They're long and skinny. Right.

People say they cut them off. They're meant to pop off. You don't need to cut them. You said that. I don't believe that. They're meant to pop off. Really? How do you know how to wash them? Bro, you don't know how to wash clothes?

Well, there's special instructions. Lulu never shrinks. They have a guarantee. Then deal with the tag, bro. I got to screenshot the tag and keep it in my files. I don't know. My ugly and your ugly synced up beautifully. Two lips.

Say it on three. One, two, three. O.J. Simpson legacy article. The complicated arc that is O.J. Simpson. It is so complicated. Just so much good. You know, on one hand, great at football, another hand, killed two, people. Right. So it's just hard to like, how do you? I mean, it's impossible nearly. Where do we

begin? I mean, I was shocked that like stuff like this obviously somebody green lights this. Somebody's like, hey boss, want to write an article about a guy. I know it's August and there's not much going on. So I was figured maybe we do the OJ article. And then I saw the defense that they were just running through like top 100 players. Here's an idea. maybe delete O.J. Simpson from the top 100 players. Or just skip it. Here's some quotes. I ended up reading it. I figured eventually somebody would confess to something, you know?

I had one suspect that told my lawyers to look at. I still think he might be involved, but I can't talk about it. He refers to the double homicide as the L.A. thing. I have trouble with L.A. People may think this is self-serving, but I might be sitting next to whoever did it. I really don't know who did this which is something any innocent person might say

by the way isn't he still on the lookout for who did it and yet he's not he's not stepping foot in L.A. Nope he's not he doesn't want to make it too obvious here's a little trick that the writer noted OJ was alternating between Bloody Marys and cups of coffee to resurrect his horse throat said one of Simpson's two associates

neither of whom wanted to be named it was like he was running for mayor last night so his two pals don't want to be named in the story about their good buddy imagine working for OJ Simpson like like your job is to just hang out with OJ Simpson yeah like everybody asks you what you do for a living

you're like hang out with OJ Simpson right around the golf card he does selfie videos the whole thing can I get your name for a quote super gnaw you can't shout out to our boy super nah but the hall of fame making if you ever go in the hall of fame what's your speech looking like what are the dues and notes of making gunners hall of fame speech love is love yeah for sure that's number one and i'd like to welcome the representatives of illinois's law enforcement

community for joining us here tonight in the palace hotel ballroom that's easily the opening line and then i would try to do a uh a no name speech i don't want to mention anybody else And that's not to say it's all about me. Well, this whole freaking thing is so self-aggrandizing and ridiculous. But I want to, you know, all these people go through 45 people, I don't know. All right. I mean, special to those people. I get it.

I'm going to go through not mentioning anybody else's name and just do weird stuff. Well, the weird stuff off the bat with the Blues Brothers thing. Yeah. Especially considering you've already done that in your wedding toast and you had to plant me as a laffer. It turns out I didn't have to because there were some others. I don't know about it. Or no, that was Kenny Maine who laughed at that. Yeah, Kenny May laughed at the interview.

If only Kenny May was at your wedding. Them crunching these speeches down. I understand why they did this year, and I don't know they're going to do it again. They actually never played anybody off, like never played anybody off the stage. Eight minutes was fine. Like most of them as I watched them and I didn't watch all of them in real time. I'd go back on YouTube and watch it. I was like 12 minutes, 12 minutes, 12 minutes, 11 minutes, 10 minutes.

Like, oh, so they just scared these guys straight. and then like after the first couple went long, I think guys are like, we'll be okay. The reason I don't think it's going to stay this way, other than the obvious, is that they didn't play people off because if it was going to stay this way, they've set a precedent that they don't care.

You know, they were just trying to corral people and keep them under 15. I love it, though. I love the time limit. I think they could go like, I don't. Seven, you know, nice little touchdown number. I don't. Then maybe we can add a minute for fun stuff,

go to a pro ball. That's a minute. Super Bowl, that's two minutes. No, dude. MVP, three minutes. The fun of it is the Peyton Manning Joe. Brady could get 45 minutes. You're right. So the more you do, you get more time. I get it. But I like the length of speeches because then you get the, and you get more than one every year, like the guy who talks for 40 minutes. And it's just good awkward TV. Like, I like good awkward TV. And I saw some guys this weekend speaking in 2X. like you know how you turn a podcast up to 2x that's what Peyton was doing he had an awesome speech and he was like i'm getting through it you know you had uh guys doing things like edge consolidated his family thank you which was pretty slick you know like if you just say hey everyone in my family thank you that's a pretty tight way to knock a couple minutes off your speech you can get to all the good stories you want to get to um it was great seeing boomer back up there it was great seeing uh you know Chris Berman, hearing his voice, like, it just felt good with the year off that we were back doing it

again. And the NFL really did pull this off nicely because of the reasons that we highlighted. Here's what else I would do. A little product placement. Okay. Okay. Because it was a big weekend for marijuana. Of course we had, let's go smoke some joints in the parking lot. Yep, that's true. But a more subtle one, Megatron, who's younger than you, by the way. I know. He's the youngest looking Hall of Fame of all time. Second youngest in Shrine. ever behind Gail Sayers. He said, quote, to the NFL college football in all major sports, including

the Olympics, it is time we recognize the potential of vital medicines, plant medicines, to aid and improve the mental health and quality of life for so many. These plants, primitive in nature, provide an alternative to their destructive counterparts, opioids.

Now, what Megatron did not say out loud was that he has started his own can of business. Yeah, he is. And it's called primitive. Yeah, I know. So he snuck in. How good is that? Yeah, it was really slick. And we know because we had him on the show. And he talked at length about his grow. And I thought it was cool because he didn't go over the top talking about it. Like, I feel like if people who are advocates for cannabis kind of hijack a situation and make it about that,

like it makes people, makes like guys that smoke look like these zealots. And I think what he, the way he did it was really good in that setting. Like he actually referenced, you know, his form of therapy. And, you know, he referenced what he's doing in business without being over the top and brilliant product placement. My biggest thing with Calvin was coolest life of all time. I mean, legitimately seems like a picture of happiness. I know that that's always the tip of the iceberg is what you see in other people. But he's the one guy, I believe, is actually as happy as he projects to be. I mean, like, he's done everything in his life with such you know kind of resolute

autonomy including his retirement his life after football his family life he's kept a low profile not that's the only way to live your life after football not to mention he looks young healthy happy and he's wearing a gold jacket it's fucking incredible he's younger than me

he just got out he retired earlier than most other people would have with his talent and everything's worked out. Here's one for you. He decided to be a wide out in a triple option offense. There's not a lot of mileage there.

And still ended up in the Hall of Fame. You know, there's just so many cool things about this guy's life that's kind of flown under the radar because he's not one to tell you about it. I'm just really happy for him. And you can really tell when somebody's humble, like the humility comes across.

He was really humble for as great as he was. was my favorite, probably Tom Flores. I really do believe that. And I went in there, you know, like I wanted to see Isaac Bruce's speech, which was really good. I mean, I wanted to see Jimmy Johnsons who my dad works with

for a long time and I know Jimmy well. And he was incredible, he was probably in my top couple speeches. But Tom Flores because he's waited so long because I've heard it from my old man, like how underappreciated he was, time and time again. You've waited all this time. You're 84 years old.

Like the elephant in the room is like guys like that, you don't know how long they're gonna be around. Like they're older folks. I mean, he had to be helped to stand up. And I'm not bullshin. I watched this morning on YouTube and I teared up at the breakfast table, dude. Like, because all the other ones were great.

You definitely feel the emotion and that sort of thing. But I just thought he was so humble and pure and was so patient. and so unappreciated. For him to get up there and own it with such class and grace and told some jokes. I thought he had the funniest jokes of the whole thing. The 9 o'clock bedtime joke was a layup.

You might try that at your Hall of Fame speech. But the best one was when he asked how many people were there from his hometown and there was actually a surprisingly big cheer. And he was like, man, it's a long way to get here. He's like, have you ever tried to get here? Not an easy place to arrive. You know, like, and I thought that. was a great self-deprecating kind of joke.

You could tell he doesn't take it too seriously, and he finished with not bad for a couple great pickers, was the anecdote that kind of summed up where he came from and the humble beginnings, you know, dirt floor, no indoor plumbing, to being, you know, a standard bearer in the Raiders organization, which is so storied. And a bonus to the Tom and Jimmy speeches

was a look at Howie Long, who looked terrific. He did look good. Including no gold jacket. Now my question is... That's interesting. Power move, bad fit, global warming. Is it like, hey, you know who I am

even without this thing? That's interesting. Like, what's the deal? Is he doing a KD thing? Can we get... I don't know, but the side of his melon got like 47 seconds combined of time. And we placed bets on the Jimmy Johnson speech. How long was going to be till Dad got...

Mention. Mention. You won. I won. I said 247. It came in at whenever we started the clock from, so don't go back and time it. If you are, you're an absolute loser.

But we, I said 247, it ended up in like three minutes. So we were right on. But Jimmy's speech was great. By the way, Troy Eickman's abs had a really good day. Oh, yeah. Like fucking, I want to be a Hall of Famer that ends up in another guy's Hall of Fame speech, sporting an eight pack in one of the pictures behind me.

With a couple beer bellies, too. Yeah. everybody else is like you know and jimmy's loves heineken so jimmy's working on the hynikins and troy's over there like he's on new genics i mean like you're not supposed to get another celebration when you're already a hall of famer but big ups to troy akeman dad got the camera time the thing about jimmy's speech which i thought was amazing and you know tragic in a lot of ways but he talked plainly about it so i'll talk about it uh was his ability to kind of convey or something like regret that he feels

for not having been there for his kids as much because of the occupation of coaching. And like, Dayton, I know this. Like, these coaches live at the facilities, even more than you think. And you know this at the college level from being around UVA and everything. NFL coaches, man, they're a different breed, man.

And I think Jimmy, to be as great as he was, had to truly live it. And I think all of them kind of have to truly live it. And it broke his heart. You could tell that he never got to see his two sons who are grownups now play a single down to football. And that was something that like when I talked to my dad at the end of the night, I called him. Usually when he's out there, I call him.

And he's like, oh, this guy said to say hello, he's caught up with this guy. Like, it's fun to hear his stories. You know, we were talking about Jimmy's speech. And, you know, in his experience, too, my dad had the same feelings, but nothing like a coach. you know my dad was really had to bust his ass to see us play to be there to to be around and i think that's the side of football that people don't understand you do sacrifice a lot of really special moments that you'll never get back and jimmy was very matter of fact about it it was a big share for sure but the way he did it i thought was really powerful and also can kind of be eye-opening

to people that are like man these these guys really do sacrifice a whole bunch to get where they got And he said, of course, he's making up for lost time now with the kids. And the kids, the kids, his sons are awesome dudes from everything I hear. And I loved the message. Treat a person as he is, you know, he's going to stay there, treat a person as what he could be, the way you project him. And I think that's, as a coach, that's genius. You know, as a leader on a football team, as somebody who's trying to get the most out of a young player, you treat that young player like what you think that player could be

and that player will think of themselves in that vein because that's the only way you can succeed in the NFL is belief. And if you give somebody belief, there was a lot of speeches this weekend that kind of had that theme. You know, thank you for these people giving me belief in myself because the NFL is so easy not to believe in yourself. So coaching players, helping younger teammates, that sort of thing. You have to make those players believe

that they can be something they're not right now. And that's why positive reinforcement is the most powerful thing. Jimmy was a hard ass, no doubt about it. But I'm sure he treated people in his own hard ass way with the respect that you get if you were twice the player you were currently. And that's why a lot of players became twice the players that they were currently. Jimbo covert, I want to drink 21 beers with that guy. Lettuce.

Face lettuce. Yeah. Yeah. The bust looked awesome. Yeah. His bust looked like a Jimbo. Like the bus most accurately described the guy with, you know, with the name on the bottom of the bus.

Walter Payton, Good Morning, Sunshine Story was great. He had great stories. He's a guy you want to hang out with. I don't even think he sat for his busting. The bust maker was just like, hey, we got a Jimbo. Okay, I got it. Oh, yeah. I don't need to see him.

Yeah, it was a freelance Jimbo. Uh-huh. Freelance Jimbo. freelance Jimbo. You liked the Edger in James speech. I thought it was great. We talked about him consolidating family thank you. And one thing I loved about Edge is he shouted out a guy who I think should be in the

Hall of Fame or at least be considered, who not enough people do in Anquam Bolden, who was a total terror on the field. And because he wasn't the prototypical, because he did more, like kind of in a Heinz Ward way, like on steroids a little bit. And I'm not saying he was on the juice. I'm saying like he was just a big physical freak of nature that could block guys, you know, on the edge, come down and in motion in and crack you and knock you on your ass. Nate, you played him.

Yeah, I played against him, but I also got to train with him down with Tony Volani and Boca and just being apart and being around him, seeing his work that thick when he was at the later parts of his career, but just seeing a guy like that come in, to train the way he did and then like on his off time he would be helping with the younger like high school middle school guys in there just to see a guy work like that was unbelievable

two times a year whenever they did a you know a wide receiver motion in like if I even like heard footsteps I just looked out there to make sure it wasn't him and they had fits who would clean a defensive end out like those guys were tough and I think Anquan should definitely be considered

John Lynch called it out Ronde which I thought was all and said, you know, Ronde, you'll be here. They're late with that. Bill Cowher, you know, like I talked about Troy Echman's abs earlier, making a guest appearance. The highlight of Bill Cowher's speech was was fucking James Harrison's traps. They zoomed in on James Harrison and like a fucking button-down shirt.

He was about to break the thing. I don't know what he's doing in the wait room. I mean, he's doing the same shit he did when he played, but he looks like he could throw me through a brick wall. What an ovation for Bill Cower. Pittsburgh is literally a soccer club. And I mean that in the most complimentary way with their fan base. It's a religion.

And going in with Palomalu and Fanika, who he drafted, was pretty cool. And talk about two guys with voices that throw you for a curveball. First off, I never heard Alan Fanica talk in my life. You guys should do voiceovers. Absolutely. Should be a voice actor. Should do commercials. Look out Pedro Serrano, Allstate.

Alan Fannick is coming for you. Dennis Hayesburg. Look out Dennis Haysburg. Alan Fannica's coming for those all-state spots. And, you know, Palomalo, who could knock your head off, the first time you hear Troy talk, he's just, his voice is not. He's soft-spoken. He's soft-spoken.

And he's also a very, like, soft-spoken person. Like, if you ever meet him, he's just, he exudes humility. And I thought his speech exuded humility. And I think the way he played the game, as recklessly as he did, but as humbly as he did, it was such an interesting dynamic. And he made plays that I've only ever seen one guy not named Troy Palamalu make plays like that, and he only made one.

That was Ahmad Brooks jumping over the fucking center at Virginia Tech my sophomore year. He did things with regularity that nobody's ever done once. And for him to stand up there and be the guy he is and be as humble as he is, It blows me away. I love the Heinz Ward story. And I love the coach Cowher stories, making them practice outside no matter of the weather. We had a college coach

that made us practice outside no matter of the weather. His name was Al Groh. I don't think he really knew what lightning strikes did when they hit nearby. Who did they nail? Who did they not from a bus standpoint? John Lynch looks exactly like John Lynch. Yeah, he's a standard guy.

Like John Lynch in the face looks like he could be anything. So they should nail John Lynch. Full furrow for both Peyton Manning and Calvin Johnson. Like 10 out of 10 furrow. Guy probably could have dialed it back

to a 5 out of 10 furrow. Troy Palomali was the worst one. Worst? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dave Damashek said that Troy Palomalu's bust looked like Marjorie Green, Taylor.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Taylor Green. It's good that you don't know her. Yeah, fuck her, dude. I think that was the biggest miss. it is. That doesn't look like Troy Palomalu at all. Somebody said kind of disappointing NGL, which is not going to lie. That's one of the first comments on the Troy Palomalu bus there. Tagliabu is another spot on. See, that's tags. They did a nice job. Yeah, they did good with Paul

Tagliu. Yep, they did a nice job with Paul. Peyton's bus look really upset. Did you see Patent's sweating? Yes, all the way through. Oh my God. I would be sweating my ass off, but the problem is I'd be sweating right below the armpits. By the way, we were correct about the longest speech. Nailed it. Tom Flores. And, well, Drew Pearson. They were the two we said.

We nailed both of them. Peyton was up there. I thought he'd be shorter. Who was the shortest? Donnie Shell. Donnie Shell. Donnie, it looks like at 643. Donnie checked in with 643.

Donnie at 643. Yeah. Who would have thunk? 2022 Hall of Fame Eligibles Andre Johnson Reggie Wayne

Tori Holt Cliff Branch Heinz Ward Steve Smith Anquam Bolden Devin Hester It's a receiver party

Yeah punt returner they're gonna put him as a special teams player but that's a lot of receivers right there

and then if I'm looking at defensive players you got D-Wares Zach Thomas Robert Mathis Vince Wilfork Richard Seymour

who never gets enough love Richard Seymour is a Hall of Famer okay I don't know when they're going to put him in

but he should be in D-Ware is going to be a brainer. Zach Thomas is probably going to get in here soon. Robert Mathis is going to be hard to argue with him getting in very soon. Vince Wilfork, you know, one of a kind, Patriots boost, dominant, change the game. Jared Allen, to me, it's pass rush porn. All right, so I told you we have OC, UMIN, Yura, and you're going to like the interview. There's no chance you don't. Two-time Pro Bowl or two-time Super Bowl champ coming to us from London. in England. The UK. We're big

in the UK. It's formerly O.C. Um, yora now the great Osi Uminura. It's going to take some getting used to. Good night, mate. Not the only piece of breaking news in this interview. Oh, there's a lot of breaking news. Stick around.

So I've got Osi Umanior. The reason I wore number 72. Well, there were other reasons. There were no other fucking numbers available. But like, I was like, well, Osi made it look cool. Maybe I could. O.C.'s here. He's joining us from London. Obviously, he just met Macon, who's the in-house Giants fan, and his old teammate. And what did you call, Dr. Fax, as we call him? What did you call him? Big nasty Nate?

Big nasty Nate. You got to say just like that. You can't just say Big Nat. He's a big nasty name. That's my guy. O.C., man. I used to have to bring O.C. Gummy bears before every team. Oh, yeah. Every team. That was my rookie duty. It wasn't bad. I took it on the chin, but I thought about it later. I was like, I see what they do to rookies.

And I was like, hey, that actually wasn't that bad. So I always respect it. It could have been way worse. It could have been worse, man. But Nate was just the best, man. Just the good guy, you know? He's smiling all the time. He's fun guy to be around.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nate's cool. That's cool because yesterday when we were on the river, you said, I said, Osi, I'm booking him for the show tomorrow. He's like, I don't know if O. would remember me. Really? Then I said, no.

Would it be like that? So last week, me and Dr. Fax here, we broke down the verses between the locks and Dipset. Now, I know you guys used to do the fadeaway and Freddie Robbins back there chucking up 30-footers after

sacks, and you guys had the whole thing. But is it hard for you to admit that dipset took a massive L the other night? I don't, they took it L. They took it L. I think there's no, that's really no question about that, man. I mean, what the Lox did with Sheep Looch and Jada Kiss, it was just different level, man.

But shout out the dipset. That's a set of my guys, man. That's a set of my guys. I mean, speaking of that fadeaway thing, don't let anybody tell you anything different. That ball in celebration, that was my idea, Chris. Oh, that's something from my head. Claim it.

Yeah. No, no, it's the truth. It's the truth, man. And then Jim Jones went back. He made a song. about the New York Giants. He made the remix of the ball in, called it balling part two,

put all our names in there. You guys don't know nothing about that. What about the royalties? Do you get royalties, Ossie? Zero royalty. That's five. And we blew that song up. We blew that song up.

Definitely blow it up. All right, so Giants camp. We're talking Giants here. They've made a lot of news because, and we knew, I played for New England. Like, we all know that they're tough and Joe Judge is tough.

I mean, he comes from that cloth. A lot of those coaches try to imitate what Bill does up there. But the push-ups, the laps, where do you stand? Because you had a tough coach in Coughlin. Like, I would assume you'd rather do a Joe Judge camp than a Coughlin camp. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

I think, you know, the one thing is I got a chance to spend some time up there with Joe last week. He's a good guy, just a good, solid individual. Like, if you ever spent some time with him, he's young, he's energetic, he's really respectful of like people. So everything that you see on the outside is the same thing I was seeing. But when I got there and I got a chance to spend some time with him, I would love to play with the dude, man. Just straight up honest, looks you dead in your eyes. This is what he expects. And I think nowadays, man, I hate to be that old, you know, grumpy guy, man. But people are just so soft nowadays, man. I kind of, I kind of like what he's doing. I like what he's bringing.

I appreciate that kind of stuff. The only thing that I feel bad for, and we said this on this show. I've actually been a fan of the higher. I mean, I think the quarterback has to play well. That's the bottom line because they got a lot of that defense relative to the talent level they had. The coordinator on defense did a great job. But the quarterback has to play well. I just am not a fan of making coaches run laps. And I've never felt bad for coaches before. Like generally, but I'm kind of like, man, like if I was a coach, I don't know how I would take that. That's the only thing. Yeah. Yeah, I can see how that would be a problem, man. But Bro, I got to be honest, like they buy into him.

Yeah. The team, it's not like a, it's not like a divide or anything like that, man. They are behind that guy. And so, yeah, I think it's going to work out well for him. I really do. Can't work at any worse. Zero retirements so far this week. Yeah, that's good.

So, hey, Ossie, did you ever come close to retiring during camp? No, no, no, no, no, no. I think maybe like, I remember one time, this was when I was with the Falcons, not when I was with the Johnson. I remember, I remember walking out there. It was like year 11, and it was hot. It was hitting those dummies. And I was like, man, what the, what am I doing here, man?

You know what I mean? I'm, oh, my body's beat up. The coaches is yelling. I'm like, I don't need this anymore, man. So that was the only time I can remember specifically thinking to myself, I need to go sit down somewhere. But other than that, though, not really. That's funny.

I had the 11-year itch, too. It was the line at physicals, year 11 for me. I said, I think I stayed a year too long. Did yours happen to involve Devante Freeman? No, it didn't. So I hear you roughed up Devante Freeman in Atlanta. So who lifted Devante Freeman higher in the air? You were Aaron Donald.

Listen, listen, man. That story, that DeFonte Freeman's story was crazy, bro. Crazy, crazy. story, man. It was just the way the whole thing went down, Brian, I think you'll understand this. So we were in training camp, right?

And, you know, running backs aren't really supposed to chip you in practice. Like, you know what I mean? Yes. Yeah, so he's a rookie at the time. Maybe he had no clue who I was. As a matter of fact, I don't think he did.

So we're in practice and the man just comes out the back to just chips me, boom. runs down the field. And so I walk up to him as he's walking back. I'm like, yo, like, what are we doing? He's like, shut my fuck up. You ain't going to do shit. Who the fuck you think you are?

I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like, oh, my God. What the hell happened? So now here's the funny thing, though, Chris. Like I'm a veteran, right? So I was actually going to let that slide. And so as I turned to the sideline to walk to the sideline, I saw a guy by the name of Jonathan Massifor.

Now, MasterCoy was like behind me. He was my understudy. And so when I looked at him, I saw he was looking at both of us. And he looked at me dead in my eye. He was like, yeah, Os, he was talking to you. I said, oh, man, I got to address the situation, right? I guess I got to address the situation right now because if I don't address this situation, that's it for me. So I'm like, damn, what am I going to do, man?

So I went, I sat down, I took a knee. And he went back to the other side of the field. And the whole time I'm just thinking of myself, I'm like, man, I got to go. I got to go, I got to go handle this right now. So like, you know the end zone camera? Yeah. You know that end zone camera? So you just see me walking across the end, across it.

To go see him, right? Briskly. And I went to go see it. Yeah. So I was like, hey, Devonze. And as soon as I walked to him, he was like, shut the brother. I was like, okay, cool. It just, it just kicked off from there, man.

It just kicked off. And the one thing I remember is Matt Ryan came to me after that. He was like, damn, OSCE. I didn't even know you had that in, bro. Hey, here's the thing. The hardest time to fight somebody in the NFL is after it's kind of calmed down for a second. You're right. So the fact that you had to reset, and you know it's a thing.

It's like it's almost like even if I can let it slide personally, I can't let that slide in front of everybody else. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's like there's just no way. What was Coughlin's deal with fights? Because he was really tough. And it was the old NFL. Like, how did Coughlin? handle fights. Yeah, it was the same thing. It was just basically, you know, he'd throw you out of

practice or he didn't, he didn't like that stuff at all, you know. But back then it was just, like fights were just, it's like a normal thing to see during training camps. And I remember seeing like people fighting next to me. And I'm like, you know, I'm just, I'm just on a knee. It didn't, it didn't really bother us to see fights because it will happen so frequently. So, um, Coughlin, for sure, he didn't like the, you didn't like fights at all. We had people that got kicked out of practice intentionally in St. Louis. I don't know if you ever had anybody that was like, man, it's hot. Like, we should fight.

You know what I mean? And it's like, get the fuck out of here. It's gladly. And then there's a big code with one-on-one pass rush. Oh, my God. If you get caught on film and an offensive lineman and a defensive lineman are fighting, I don't care if it's like an undrafted rookie, you at least have to make an effort on film to get towards the thing.

towards the fight and everybody plays this game it's like all right if I just run five steps it's going to be broken up by the time but when you get there and they're still throwing haymakers you're like I don't know what to do it's like the jailing the fake hold me bad hold me back exactly so so hard knocks was that intrusive like you're a smart vet at this point in your career like you're not going to get fooled on anything but like was there were they trying to fool people is it intrusive is it tricky yeah it's a little truth. It's not too bad, honestly. They try to go out of their way to make it seem like they're not there, but they are there. And the funny thing to me was, like, you're sitting there

and it's actually going on while training camp is going on. So like you're watching hard knocks and you're seeing what had happened the previous week, right? You're seeing people like get cut. You're seeing everything that the coaches have said about you and you have to go in and actually, you know, practice during training camp. It's a really weird. vibe because it's not like it's airing like a year after or a couple of months after it's airing while training camp is still going on it's um it's it's a weird thing to be to be involved in for sure are there cameras that are hidden that you can't even see yeah yeah they put them all up in like you know the roof and then you know sometimes they have steady cameras there and then it's not just like

you know cameras all up in your face like this it's not like that at all they're positioned far away sometimes you can't even see them that's a scary deal that's a scary deal that's a scary deal. Preseason, when I think about preseason, the first thing that I always have in my head, like as ammunition, when I want to tell somebody to shorten preseason, it's like, well, one of my favorite players towards ACL in preseason, case closed, we should shorten that shit. Talk to me about how tough that was and how it happened. Yeah, yeah, that was, that was really tough. We're coming off a Super Bowl, actually, just made my second pro ball. I'm going in. I'm like, you know, I'm prime at this time, prime O-C.

And just a routine play. We're playing against the Jets. It's the third preseason game. I actually felt probably the best I'd ever felt in my career at this point. Like, I was on it. And I come off the edge. I do like a little sweep. And I try to come back under against the Brickshaw Ferguson.

And my knee just kind of like, like just buckled. And so I lay down on the floor and I tried to get up. And I realized at that point, I couldn't straighten my knee out. Like the cartilage had torn. And then when it tore, it flipped. into like my joint. So my knee was like locked for like a couple of days. And so I remember going into a see, you know, the doctor.

And he's like, yeah, he just pulled me to the side. He's like, yeah, what we're going to do is we're going to open your knee up. We're going to remove the card legend and we're going to sew it back down. And he's like, yeah, you're going to miss the season. And he just said it so nonchalantly. And I was just like, yeah, okay, cool, cool, cool. But it didn't register what he had said to me at the point. And so after I was like, how long am I going to miss?

like four to six weeks. Like, no, no, no, you're done for the season. And I couldn't understand, you know, what he was talking about at that point in time because I had never missed any time or any significant time due to injury at that period. So missing that whole year after, you know, we won the Super Bowl. And then the Johns, they went on there. They were balling that year, too. Probably had like the best season outside of the Super Bowl years.

And just missing all of that was honestly, Chris, it was devastating. I hated it. the preseason and people talk about shortening it or what we need to do with it. Are you somebody that takes your personal experience and says, hey, we've got to cut this thing in half. It's too risky. Like,

what's the ideal preseason look like if you're the commissioner of the NFL? Yeah. That's a tough one for me, man, because I felt like in a lot of instances, the younger I was, the more I needed preseason. But like, as I got a little bit older,

I didn't really quite need it so much. But then there are a lot of guys. who are young, who need those reps, and they need to go out there and, you know, actually practice and perform and go up against other people and show what they can do. And the more opportunities you get to do that, the better, the better it is for you. So it's like two different OCs can speak. As the veteran OC, I'm like, man, what are we doing this for? I need maybe like one or two games. But as the younger OC, there was a lot of times that I knew for a fact that I needed that preseason to hold my skills before the regular season that's actually show what I was capable of.

So it's tough, man. I think, you know, different people are going to have different answers for that question. Yeah. Depending on what stage they're in in their career. Absolutely. I think about like you in Atlanta or like year 10 in New York, like, you know, and I feel the same way. It's like, hey, listen, I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I want all the reps I can get in a controlled environment.

But out here I can't control somebody falling on my leg. I can control something freakish happening, which can happen in practice. But it's just the live bullets of a preseason game. which is chaos anyways, you know, it's always conducive to somebody getting hurt. So, Nate. Like Osi said, for a guy like me that was on the bottom end of a roster, you love those preseason reps and you need those reps. Yeah.

And it's really, for you, it might be the only time you really get a chance to put anything on tape, like, at all, like for your career. So it's something where you got to take those reps seriously and you got to, sometime, like if you're smart, you're scratching and clawing for those reps. Yeah, no, and listen, that's the reason why I don't throw a fit over it because there are so many young guys that are that are hustling way harder than me and haven't gotten theirs yet. So like the inconvenience of me playing another football game or two, it sucks, but I get the whole deal. You only had one offer going to Troy? So like, I'm sure you're kind of used to having to take advantage of every opportunity.

Yeah, I didn't even get an offer to go to Troy. Really? You know, it was a no, no, no, no. Man, I got to tell you this story. Now, this is probably the craziest story you've ever heard about how I got into college. Okay. So I'm in, I'm in Auburn High School. I played my senior in high school.

I wasn't particularly good because I only really played that one year. I came from Nigeria. So I didn't really play football up until I was 15. So I played one year of high school football really, which is my senior year. I'm done. No scholarship offers. No colleges. came to see me. We were one and nine, you know, as a team. We're a terrible football team.

And to be completely honest, I wasn't really good. I really wasn't a good player. I was just athletic. So I'm, I had this car that my sister had given me. So I'm driving her car to school every day. I already had my driver's license. And I was supposed to go to, in school, I was supposed to go to this class called driver's education in high school. But I already had like my driver's license. So I was like, what am I? I'm not going to driver's ed when I got my driver's ed when I got my driver's license. It didn't make any sense. So I wasn't going. So I would come to school at like 9 o'clock, even though I was supposed to be there like, eight, to take this class. And so one day I come to school and then they pull me to the principal's office. They're like, listen, you know,

you're supposed to be in this class and you're not going. So because of that, we're going to punish you. You're going to go to in school suspension. And I'd never heard of this before because I never gotten in trouble. So I was like, all right, cool. So I had two weeks of in school suspension. The first day I go to in school suspension, the guy who's running in school suspension, is a guy by the name of Coach James Joseph. Now, he's the runnerbacks coach at the high school. And as soon as I walk in the age, like, what are you doing here?

I'm like, man, I mean, it's the suspension. He was like, so what are you going to do with your life now? I'm like, listen, I came here to America to go to school, so I'm just going to find my way to go to college and, you know, see what happens. He was like, man, a kid in your size, man, you need to do something with your athleticism, man. You might have a future playing football.

I'm like, okay. He was like, you know what, I'm going to do something for you. I'm going to call one of my friends. And the guy just so. His name was Tracy Rock. He was a defensive line coach. He played with James Joseph at Auburn. So he was like, I'm going to call Tracy for you.

And so he called Tracy Rocker. And Tracy, for some reason, wasn't Auburn at the time visiting his parents. And it was like, listen, I got this kid named Osi, you know, big African kid. You need to come see this guy, man. He's an athlete. So Tracy was like, okay, cool. I'm going to come see him right now. So he left his parents' house.

Right? He left his parents' house. And he drove to Auburn High School. where I was in in school suspension. And he's like, oh, man, you are a big kid, man. He threw in some tape. He was like, man, you damn sure don't know what you're doing. He's like, can you run?

I was like, yeah. Can you run? Right. I was like, I'm fast. That's what I do for a living. I can run. He was like, all right, let's go see what you got. Took me outside.

Tommy in the 40. I think I ran like a 4, 8, 5 at the time. But I was like 270, right? That's really good. So he was. You were big in high school. Oh, I was big. I thought I was big in high school.

Holy shit. Yeah. Did you wait through 70 in the league? No. No, I dropped down. Yeah, I dropped down. It was like I saw it. Yeah. Yeah, I dropped down.

But you know, I played, I was a deep tackle and I was a noseguard in college. Yeah. Before I moved up. Yeah. So now Tracy's like, man, you know, you can run, man. So he's like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to call my head coach Larry Blakeney. And so he called Larry Blakely.

He's like, man, we got this African kid. They kept on calling me the African kid. He's like, we got this African kid here. Right. The guy's big. you know, seems to be a nice guy he can run. We need defensive lineman. And Blake was like, yeah, go ahead.

Offer him. So they offered me a scholarship. This all took like three hours. I promise you. I'll shit you not. This took like three hours. Hey. From me, Stephanie, to in school suspension.

So you're outside in school suspension, running a 40. Five yards outside the in school suspension. Where was there grass? Like right outside the coach's office or something? No, we had to go to the field, man. You go to the track, bro. So he's crazy. So really, he looked out and snuck you out of in school suspension.

In school suspension, but for that little bit of time, man. What do you think happens? I got into Troy. What do you think happens if you don't get in school suspension? You see, this is the funny thing about life, right? Yeah. It's the funny thing about life. Like, I'm here right now discussing with you, went through all of that simply because I decided I don't want to take the fucking drive as dead.

I'm just going to. That's good, though. And this is where we are right now. That's damn good. Because of that decision. That's crazy. So hold up. Did you end up having to take the driver's ed course?

Hell no. I still didn't take that class. Hey, you know, not just this, but like the whole thing for people, a lot of people that watch Osi, you know, people know he's from London, but Nigerian. That's very, that's not normal for the NFL. Like, there's only a few players with British accents that I ever played with. You know, there's only, you know, Jay Ajai was one. There's only a couple guys in the league that come from there. So it's just crazy to beat all the odds that you beat in so many ways.

What do you think the key is in finding talent in London and in the UK? I mean, and what's going on with the game there? Well, I mean, the thing is most of the talent that comes from London is really from Nigeria. So that's really, that's really what the situation is. You're talking about Jaya, Jai, for your body for myself. We're all Nigerian. So, but the game is big here, man. All the games out here, we started with one game.

We're at four games. Well, this year, two games because of COVID. But all the games are sold out. And what you would see is, like, everybody from Europe will descend on London for these games because it's their first opportunity to actually see live games and to see the NFL. And they love it out here. Yeah. And so there's a lot of fans.

There's a lot of people who are really into the game. And it's like you got to be like dedicated. Because before we came out here, there really wasn't that much, you know, things on TV to watch. You had to like go online or you had to stay up to all hours and night trying to watch the games. But these guys are like dedicated fans. And so, you know, the game keeps growing out here, finding talent. I think, you know, there is some talent out here. But most of the talent here is really from Nigeria.

They're really from Africa anyway. So, you know, that's the situation. I mean, as far as, like, you know, football in London's concern, are you bummed out that most people seem to be Jacksonville Jaguars fans? There's so many better NFL experiences. No offense, Nate. Ex-Jax player here. Listen, the Jaggs have laid.

They've laid the groundwork, man. They've been out here for years, like putting in work, putting in work, putting in work. So, I mean, it has to be their team. Dude, we went out and played the Jags a year removed from the Super Bowl with the Eagles. And people were like, fuck the Eagles. the Jags are here. I was like, excuse me? That's the squad.

But you know what? It was awesome. Like the buzz is great. And it's so fun playing in these big iconic soccer stadiums that for us, like we see, when we see soccer played, it feels like a big deal. And to be in that stadium, it's really cool. It's a different take. Although the grass is way different.

And I know you're a big football fan. But like one thing we notice when we get there, it's so slippery. But they like the pitch a little slick, don't they? Yeah. So they can run fast. It makes the ball skis. get faster, you know, kind of like, you know, when I was playing against you in FIFA, we're not going to talk about that year, how the ball was, how the ball was skipping.

Asking. He's skipping fast, Chris. Well, there's a food, there's a food chain here because I dust him off with regularity when we used to play. Not true. What is the history here? How many times have you played? Well, I mean, I blacked out.

I think I blacked out. Once or twice. Maybe he beat me. No, he beat me. Okay. You know, it's kind of cheating when you're like literally, like, you live in London. I mean, it's just. You live there.

You know all the rules. I don't know all the rules. I'm just hitting the buttons. I'm going to bypass your dragging my FIFA skills and connect the two dots about your route to the NFL before we leave it. London, England to Auburn, Alabama. I don't know if there are two more disparate locales on planet Earth. Was it a culture shot going to Auburn?

And why not return to beautiful Auburn, Alabama, after your decorated career instead of London, England? Yeah, I think the only culture shock was people would ask me, you know, well, because I went from London to Nigeria, then from Nigeria to Auburn, Alabama. And so a lot of people would ask me when I left Nigeria and I got to Auburn, they were like, man, did you, did you guys speak English? I'm like, yeah, yeah, we spoke English. I don't know what they were speaking in Auburn, Alabama, because for sure, for sure, that wasn't English. I don't know what language that was. They were speaking something completely different. But it was a culture shock. It was a complete culture shock.

The only thing we saw in Nigeria of America was like Baywatch and Fresh Prince of Bel Air and all those stuff of things. That's interesting. So Chris Auburn, that's just not what we saw on television, right? The lead here is that Baywatch is being consumed in Nigeria. Oh, for sure. For sure. Baywatch is heavy. Heavy in the streets.

It's heavy in the streets. It's heavy in the streets. So what's going on with football in Nigeria? What's going on with football in West Africa? Like what's the future of our game as it like branches out internationally? Because as you said, there's so many great athletes, you know, there's such an exciting opportunity to grow it. How is it now? And where do you see it in 10, 15 years in West Africa?

Guys are talking about this. I wasn't going to say anything. But be on the lookout really, really soon for NFL Africa. You heard it here first, Chris Long. You guys heard it here first. Be on the lookout. And I'm talking about it within the next couple of months, man. We're working on something really, really spectacular here.

And you're going to see an influx of talent from Africa, Western Africa to be specific. But we're hosting. There's a lot going on. You know, they say don't, don't expose everything before it's actually happened. But you guys are hearing this first, first from my mouth here, NFL Africa is coming. We need a team, we need a team Tanzania because now, you know, Osi's been to Tampa

now, yeah, water boys. Can you climb Kelly for British TV or what was it? It was a charity thing? Yeah, it was charity. It was charity. Climbing them, Kilimanjaro. Be honest. Be honest, Osi.

How hard was that? I'll say this. Summit night. Summit night was the hardest. That was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. That's exactly right. And that's when that's when you're coming down. So, so. No, no, no, going up and coming down.

Well, going down, going down is like, you're just racing down the mountain and you can't get down quick enough because you just want more air. Like, your head hurts. And you're basically running down the side of the mountain, risking it. And that sand. In the sand and the shale, in that big shale hill. But, yeah, no, Summit night's the hardest thing in the world. And it was funny afterwards, he texted me. He was like, Chris, this is a motherfucker.

I don't even know. I'm scared of it. Yeah, so Nate might go in here. Ooh, listen, I'll tell you, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you, I'll tell you this. No, I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this. I got to be honest.

It's an experience because once you do it, you realize what you're capable of. You realize what you can do. Yeah. Like what you can tell your mind to do because, you know, that's something like the other days are hard, but that's something at it as you're going up and you're looking at, all you're seeing is like lights. It seems like the lights are going all the way up into the sky. and you just got to keep climbing

and everything in you is telling you, yo, you got, what the fuck are you doing? You got to sit down somewhere, man. But when you sit, you can't get back up. And it's so dark, that's one of the hardest things is like in football or in anything, like we're used to seeing where the goal is. You know what the goal is, but from midnight to 10 a.m.,

you really don't see the goal. And in fact, when you get over the rim of the volcano, you're not done yet. It's a false summit. Not done yet. So you got people crying, and saying, like, we made it. And they're like, wait, where's the summit?

They're like, oh, it's like up there. It's like another two hours. Yeah, like three hours left. Yeah. So it's tough. Helodi Nata went with us two years ago, and he retired on the top. And I made the mistake in saying, I'm with you the whole time, Big H. If you, you know, I'll get up there with you.

I had to push a Ford Ranger up the side of that mountain, essentially. We were literally, like, behind him making sure he didn't come backwards. After Stella Point, you know exactly where I'm talking about. talking about that's what I would be afraid they wheeled him down like he was the emperor bro there were like eight dudes wheeling halodi down the mountain because he just had shut down down he's my man's 360 pounds bro it was an amazing feat all right so I want to talk d line rooms we had the same coach Mike Waffle who's a legend in a lot of ways the thing that I think Mike did a really good job of and I know that he was a good pass rush coach and that type of thing but

I think Mike let D-Lyman be D-Lyman, you know, like, and it even encouraged it. So what is being a D-Lyman mean to you? And what's a, how do you build a healthy D-Line room from an environment standpoint? Oh, I think, that's a great question. I think for us, it was just, obviously, just like you said, Mike Waffle, he just allowed us to be us. He gave us encouragement. He gave us the tools. He created competition.

Did you guys have those sheets? Oh, yeah. Was he still doing those production sheets? Oh, the production sheets. And we used to argue over those motherfuckers, dude. Yeah. It's just practice. It's a Thursday in shorts, but we're like, no, I, you're right.

Nah. So that encourages competition. It makes you work hard. And then we just have so many good players, right? Like so many of us. And they just kept on drafted more and more defensive linemen. And we were all, we like, understood. Because you never really see where the defensive line is like the engine of the

football team. It's not really, it doesn't really happen that often in football where, you know, it's usually the quarterback or maybe it's a running back or maybe, but like for us, for so many years, it was the defensive line, like the team would go as the defensive line went. And so knowing that and knowing that responsibility and we just go in the room, man, we'd have a blast in there, man. It was probably the most fun I've ever had in my life going to work. Like, I didn't want to miss work. I wanted to be in that, you know, locker room in those meeting rooms because the door were closed and we would just go nuts. Like sometimes, you know, Waffle would be up there saying things and we'd be making fun of him. We'd be throwing shit at him.

It was like a real suit. D. He was on their phones taking breaks. Like Woff understood that like to keep D Lyman happy and focus because we're all fucked up a little bit like or else we wouldn't be in that room, you have to let us be children to a degree. And it's also when you're running a four-man front, and I don't know how many variations in fire zones you guys had. I mean, certainly we had some calls that we had to keep track of, especially when Greg Williams was there.

But like, it was go. You know, it was all about dictating to the offense instead of the offense dictating to us, and we would try to be three yards in the backfield. And that was the key to our job. So it was like, if we're going to be in meetings for eight hours a day, there's going to be plenty of time where we don't have shit to talk about. Why do we pretend like we're doing busy work?

Let's just hang out. You know, and I feel like there was a lot of that in our D-Line room, and Woff did a good job of setting that tone. And when he told me about y'all's D-Line room, it sounded a lot the same just with more celebrated players. How about the throne that Stray Hand built is what Woff told me to ask you about? Stray did all kinds of crazy stuff, man. He had like a throne.

He had like a golden mite for when we would have our rap battles. You know what I mean? Like, our room was nuts, man. It was, there was nothing like it. And people ask me all the time if I miss football. It's not really football I miss. I don't really miss football. It's those, you know, being in that environment with those people who are very similar to you mentally.

And, you know, just being around those people, you can never get that back. And that's what I miss the most. Who was the best rapper in the D-Line room? Who was the best freestyle in the D-Line room? Oh, hands down, it was me. I had a rap battle against Michael Stey-Han. And I finished him off. I finished Stray-Han off.

It was the most epic rap battle in New York Giants history. They brought the running backs in. They brought other people in to come witness this freestyle Friday between me and Stray. And it was a slaughter. Stray got so upset, right? Because he didn't know that I went home and I wrote down my rafts. Like, I came prepared. So he thought we're freestalling.

But I came with like real ammunition against him, right? He was dips. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was for sure Jada kiss. All right. So, you know, you had the chop club,

cleanest chop club in the history of the game, right here. I mean, like a knock- smoke, you know that, like,

I mean, just an art form with the stutter and the way you could actually, like, step on somebody's toes without looking like you're telegraphing it and then pop back outside,

down to, like, being able to clear the back arm. Like, some people will chop in club. And everything you did was, was like it was technician. How do you coach guys in the D-Line room to not have to do the same shit?

Because Strahan's not a chop club guy, you know, just like you don't do the stuff he did. And I think Woff did a good job of kind of encouraging guys to be themselves. Do you feel like when you're coaching a young player, like, and you have advice for him? Like, do you tell him to do what's good for him or do you try to force something that you know on him? Like if you're a vet? Can't force something that you know on the guy. But the one thing is that you know on the guy. But the one thing about the chop club is it's, quite frankly, it's a very simple move, right?

It's really simple in this concept. And it's quite simple to execute that move if you know that like the little technical points. So everybody can really do that move. And quite frankly, you see damn me everybody, you know, executing it right now. But the thing is there's just so many different things. Like, Shrayhan had that power rush, right? Now, we'd get in the weight room and I was just the strongest stray. Like literally, I might have even been like a little stronger.

But on the field, the way he would do that. that move the way he had the ability to sink his hips right and like really get into you and lift you I would try that and it's like I was trying to you know push like you know a thousand pound right you know wall of concrete like I couldn't do it like him because I wasn't built the way he was right and so you have to understand like different defensive linemen are built differently Dwight Frini with that spin move oh my goodness like I would try to do that spin move like I had speed like Frini but the way he would do that more move, nobody can do that move just like him.

But it's because of the way he was built. Like he, you know, he was like a little lower to the ground, lower center of gravity. He can spin with like such velocity that most people just can't do. So I would try to do the spin and I would just get caught up in like the crab. Right. You know the crab is right. I know the crowd.

Yeah, that's the worst position in football for a D lineman when you've got an old lineman with his hands around your hips and you're, you're facing the other way and you're just trying to dance out from it. There's a fucking quarterback back there doing this. Everybody else is rushing. It's the worst, bro. It's so bad, dude. It's horrible.

So I'll try that spin it. I'll get crab. So you have to know, like, you know, different people have just different moves. Kiwanuka, long gone. Jason Taylor, that longer. My arms weren't, I couldn't. I couldn't do that move because I wasn't built like that. So as a good defensive line coach, you have to understand what characteristics these players have,

and you have to try to coach them around that. Who are guys do you watch now that you're like, these guys are technicians and I like watching them rush? Oh, it's literally one guy for me. And that's that kid out of in Los Angeles, Bosa. Bosa. Joey, Bosa. I train with Joey.

That's it. Oh, my God. What do you talk about technique? That's it. Yeah. Funny thing is, like, I went to train Joey. This is when he came out of, when he came out of college, right? And so I went to Florida and I was there.

Tony Valani. Yeah, Tony Valani. I was there. I think you were there. Nasty Nate was there. Big nasty Nate. Chris, I swear to you, five minutes in, five minutes in, I was like, oh, this guy's a superstar, right? It's just, he has, you know, he was just different than everybody else is there.

He was just different, man. Just his movement, his hand usage, the way he could bend. And it was weird to look at, right? Because when you're a good player, and you see, like, you see somebody who's just physically at that age coming out of college, just, you know, just gifted, right? But the thing I like about it is five counters. Five counters. Yep.

Yep. And he doesn't plan. It's like, he doesn't plan things. He's never like, I don't feel like you ever corners himself where, you know, there's some rushes that hit for power, if you know what I mean? like they're going to have eight bad rushes and two of them are going to be home runs and everybody's going to be like all about that guy but joey's hitting the home runs and he's hitting for average he's always around the quarterback he's never just blocked you know if he goes long arm and you sit

on it he's got something else if he goes spin and he's out oh yeah he's popping right back out and doing something else he misses a swipe he's got something else he can go to power if he missed a swipe i think it's i'm really glad you said him because a lot of fans you argue with they don't understand how good Joey Boas is. So you heard it here. You heard it? They don't understand, man. Watch it. Watch it, watch his pad level. Watch how, like, if you're watching tape and him, you won't even see, you won't even see his numbers. Yeah. Like, his numbers are low. You can't, he makes it a way, which is almost impossible to block him. Like, he gives you no surface. His hands are active. He's doing, you know, he's got a move. He's got a counter move. Like Chris said,

it's just, it's fantastic to watch, man. If I was going to be like, like, you could tell like this guy's been past rush since maybe he was like six, seven years old. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Like you can tell the way he plays. He's been practicing forever. So I would encourage more defensive linemen to watch him and see what he does. If OCEM and you could have one physical asset, you know, you talked to or attribute, you talked about like not having long arms or whatever.

Like for me, I wish I had better ankle flexion. Like, what do you think is the main thing that you wish you had that you didn't? Because we know, we know what our weaknesses are. I always feel like I think that's as important as knowing what your strengths are. I feel like I, you know, if you kind of eliminate the things that you don't do well, then you don't have fucked up brushes trying to do what you're not. Kind of like what we were just talking about. Yeah.

I would say for me it would be like, you know how like when you're about the bull rush? Like some defensive linemen, they can like bend their hips and like really get up under offensive linemen. Yeah, I was never able to do that. Like I would feel like I'm bending, but it would just be like my upper body would be bending. and I wouldn't be bending from the hips. Yeah. I know exactly what you mean. I know exactly what you mean.

Because it's so true. And Woff used to be like, Straighthand used to just lift people up. You just got to get low and lift them. I'm like, hey man, I'm not built that way. You know what I mean?

I'm built like that. I just think everybody, if Russia's know what their weaknesses are, it can really help. But you didn't have a lot of them. 85 sacks, 11 years, amazing career.

You're watching a lot of your teammates at this point going to the Hall of family. I'm watching guys that I play with now, maybe getting in the hall soon. It's like, it's crazy. It's kind of surreal. But you got your quarterback. You talked about the D-line kind of defining those runs, but he was also, he stepped up big. And there's always an argument.

Is he a Hall of Fame or not? I'm sure you've answered this. What's your take on the whole thing? From a person standpoint, absolutely. Absolutely. Because I was there. And I saw some of the things that this guy did. man, he put us on his back in several situations, never flustered,

fantastic football player, right? So from that standpoint, being there, I'm like, of course he should be in the Hall of Fame. Of course he's going to get in the Hall of Fame. But, you know, out here, I'm also an analyst, right? Like, that's like my job, like I'm an analyst. So I put my analyst hat on and I say to myself, okay, was Eli Manning a better quarterback than you were a defensive band, OC?

And I'm like, I don't know. No. And I'm definitely not a Hall of Fame, right? So, if you're going by... No, no, no, no, no. It's closer than you think. It's closer than you think. Yeah, go ahead.

I appreciate it, Chris. I really do appreciate that. But you're speaking from, like, a defensive event, like, you're like, you watch me, right? Yeah, we're into it. Yeah. It's different. Right. So from that standpoint, I'm like, no, no, I wasn't, I'm not going to get in the Hall of Fame.

And I don't think he was a better, you know, quarterback. and I was a defense event. So from that standpoint, I'm like, I don't know. But overall, should he get in without a shadow of a doubt, man? Two-time Super Bowl champ, two-time MVP, you know, a great person, great individual, great player. When it mattered most, he showed up. So for those reasons alone, he should be in the Hall of Fame.

I think it's funny because we had this whole conversation about Julian Edelman. And, like, my take is I love Jules and he's an awesome player. But, you know, like, I just think the Hall of Fame, we got to decide what it is. Is it? Right. You know, and the only is it like this guy stepped up big every time he was asked to in the postseason, but there's also a lot of guys who didn't get that opportunity for a lot of their career, you know, wide receivers and such.

But I think the biggest thing is when you weigh like an Eli in the same vein, with maybe his regular season stuff wouldn't get him in. It definitely wouldn't. Yep. But I do think there's an exemption for quarterbacks, and that's the only position that I can weigh your postseason prowess on the level that will get you into the hall. I'm not going to do that for wide out. I'm not going to do that for an offensive lineman.

Well, you wouldn't be able to record stats. A defensive lineman that didn't have the stats in the regular season and had five sacks in a Super Bowl run. You've got to have all of it to be a position player. But I agree with you. I think Eli's in. What do you think, Nate? I think he's in.

I think he's in for the fact of, just like you guys said, two rings and then two MVPs. How many guys are in the hall quarterbacks that have that? So I'm just looking at it for a spectrum that way. And everybody that play with him loved them. I mean, well, it seemed to be. Like, I feel like you took more shit outside the locker room than in the law. And believe it or not, I think this matters.

But his dad and his brother are in there. Yeah. So I feel like that the trio. I feel like just for the story that might hold a little weight, whether they are on the fence about it, it's kind of like, hey, this looks good for us. Let's throw them in. But for the stats wise, we can go back and forth all day if they're going to match.

How crazy is that, though? When you think about that, how his father and the Hall of Fame? What are you talking about here? It's not. For somebody with a dad in the Hall of Fame, like in two sons that aren't going to make it, but had great careers or whatever. It's just you feel like, man, it would have been tough for all. Like, just the gravity of, like, how do you do that?

And quarterback's not even a really jubes. genetic position. I don't think of it that way. I think it's all about like skill and it's taught. Yeah. So that's crazy. I've got a greater honor. There are five jerseys that hang in my closet all purchased when I was in my early 20s and worn paid for with real money. Osi ranked these in terms of coolness. Lawrence Taylor, Eli Manning, Tiki Barber, Plexico Burris, Osium and Yora. Oh my guy, bro Hey, listen, I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

I appreciate that. Love is love us. That's real. Love is love. Yeah, that's real. He read that on a Jada kiss post, I think. And he picked it up last week. Because we were explaining to him what verses was.

And he was looking at the post. He was like, love is love. I think I'll try that. Right. No, no, that's real right there, man. Because, you know, I had, my name was Uminior. Like, I was like African, right? So it's like for you to actually support

support me like that. That means a lot to me. It really does. I appreciate it. To ask you a question. Would LTV have to be one? Yeah, I would say you would, in terms of coolness, you would have to go, you'd have to go to LT.

And then from LT, you would have to go Plex to go because, man, Plex is that guy, right? Flex is my dude, right? And then after Plexgo, then I think you'd go, you'd have to go with me. I think Tiki would probably be fifth I don't know that would be the case Because you got to put the quarterback Oh, Eli and CP for sure Ocuhu Did you just break news?

Is it Umin Yura? Are we, have we all been saying it wrong? Yeah, it's actually Uminior That's fucking crazy, dude Yeah More breaking news He's just breaking news left and right Well, he loves this show

We gotta have him on again OCU is Umin Yura OC Umin YR It's 11, 15 years longer. I sat in my dorm room and watched and beat somebody on the Eagles for five sacks. I'll never forget where I was. I was sitting there in a car. It was six.

Six sacks. That's just ridiculous. Was that the most like immortal you've ever felt that night? No, oddly enough. There was a game I played in 2006 against the Carolina Panthers. I hit the quarterback 11 times.

He didn't, the guy, and the guy was a good player. He didn't block me once the entire game. And I had zero sacks. No, how's that? How is that? Jordan Gross? Was it Jordan Gross? Jordan Gross.

It was Jordan Gross. Hey, listen. He's 11 quarterback hits. That's another thing is like sometimes the best rushers don't always get all the sacks. And he was always terrorizing people with pressures and hits. In the Super Bowl, in fact, on Strayhan's last sack, he had a really clean rush. And I know this because I've been in this position a lot. Would you rush with like Robert Quinn and all these motherfuckers that get there a little bit faster?

But he was a terror in that game and didn't get a sack, right? Yep, yep, exactly. That drives you crazy. Yeah, it drives you crazy. Nuts, nuts, nuts. Well. And then you play against Philly, and I had six sacks, and I only get, those are only six times I got to the quarterback the whole game.

Right. Well, it's still, only six. It's only six. O.C., appreciate you, man. We hope to have you back again and, uh, and, and, and loved having you. Anytime, man. Thank you guys so much. Good talking to you.

Yeah, bro. Great scene. Big nasty Nick. see you bro all right ocey that was uh that was fun it was fun it felt like being back in the locker room a little bit yeah for sure missed that guy he he's just such a he's such a nice dude to be such a i mean he was a dickhead as a player like in a good way you know like you know because you were in that those guys were competitive they were assholes super competitive but being a rookie and just being in a d-line room with so many great guys and seeing

on a daily basis, the competition within everyone in the room, it was a good atmosphere to be in. Yeah, but you know what? That's enough football for the day, Nate. We got to talk about tubing. So we went tubing yesterday, me and Dr. Fax. Macon is protesting tubing. The protests will continue through until the day I die. The river was low. We had a lot of time to spend. We kind of crept along. Actually, Nate, you. You met one of your best friends on the river 10, 11 years ago, and I was reminded of this yesterday as we were passing one of the rock outcroppings. So, yeah, I am in college, I had caught a turtle on the river.

And caught. Yeah, I rescued him from the dangers. His habitat. Yeah, you know the dangers of college kids, drink. and polluting the water and carrying on. And I gave him a nice place to stay, like food anytime he wants. And now he is still happily living in Bridgeport, Connecticut with his grandparents. The turtle is still alive.

He caught a turtle caught, rescued, kidnapped the turtle. Circa 2007, maybe. Allegedly. Allegedly. The thing's name is? snaps. It's a snapping turtle. Oh. And it's living in Connecticut. I had no idea that thing was still alive. Why are you not taking care of your turtle? Who's taking care of your turtle? My parents, they, they've kind of adopted the turtle. And I think I've attempted to bring it down to Virginia,

back to Virginia one time. And my parents, they both seem pretty distraught about it. So I ended up leaving it there. What do you feed the turtle? Feeder fish. And, and, and, and, I'm, and, or well you don't feed the turtle much or anything you just abandon it in Connecticut feeder fish and or like pellets

Facts turtles typical lifespan in the wild is between 11 and 45 years which it's the wild but captive snapping turtles have lived to 70 years of age so hey

snaps could be here longer than us longer than us that's incredible so look at that I gave him an extra 30 years on his expected life span

potentially 60 that's wild anyways floating with facts was a lot of fun we hadn't floated in a while we were we were talking i wish we could have remembered all the things that you were all the jewels you were dropping yesterday jewel number one you told me a story about high school you were so privileged that you had your own bus to yourself to get to school yeah funny story so the town i grew up in portchester new york they have um on the chester yeah They have a rule that because there was no private schools in my immediate town, if you were privileged enough to get into a private school within 60 miles that they would provide you with transportation until you're old enough to drive. So my school, I end up going to King Louisville Thomas School, is it was about 40 miles from where I grew up in Connecticut, but I lived in New York. So I was the only person coming from my area going to my high school.

So they would have to send me transportation. And that transportation for two years was my own mini yellow school bus. He's calling it a mini yellow school bus. I don't want to call it the short bus. But it was a short yellow school bus that for a year and a half. Didn't she in the mornings? It was just me. So like I would be on the highway and there would be a bus.

That sounds amazing. And literally it would be just me. And I started out sitting like all the way in the back because I thought like the first day that they're, oh, we're going to pick up some people on the way. How many rows? Probably six. Yeah.

Probably six. Yeah. No, it was one of those buses. Legit short bus. I've never. ever heard of that in my life you've you totally unlock something up there in port chester and i don't really even understand still the reason why because there was no private schools like in my like uh in my area so that was their thing like so if you were like able to go to a private

school or high school out of our area because they had to give you a lift they had to pay for your transportation because the town wasn't or the area wasn't providing that for you so like it's it it was a loophole that like my my mom she found out and she was like this is great like get on the bus that's incredible i just can't even if anybody out there rode alone on a bus to high school please let us know because i feel like you're the only person in the history of the united states that had his own bus and what a great gig for the driver yeah the driver talked to you the same the same rate as the driver talked to you have a rapport it was you know what's funny like i don't want to say this the wrong way. But it was just like one of those local guys that like everyone knew like in the

town. It was like an older black black guy that like my parents was familiar like they knew him. And it seemed like it was like one of those retirement gigs that before you go into retirement, this is perfect for you. You have to pick up one kid and you have to wait for one kid on the way back. That's it. This is when they give like a coach who formerly was great. a title and you're like what is that title that just means they're easing him out of the building yeah you drive Nate Collins an hour to and from school every day in a short bus and then next year you'll get your like all your benefits that's incredible anything in sports that we should know about so I think the Colorado Rockies baseball team we love we like

watching it's time to change the name of your mascot because who could have been could have been well I heard there was a racial slur used at a Rockies game and I was like and I think that's what everyone was like man the nuggets fans came to the stadium down the street same fans different stadium huh but it wasn't so it wasn't so they were yelling dinger I repeat dinger I wouldn't I wouldn't want my co-host to say it so no Not at all. I don't even want to talk about the story too much, but I will say it's like out of, you know, curbinger enthusiasm or what did we say? It was South Park. Calvary was saying it's like a Larry David thing. No, it's the name of the mascot, I swear. It's the name of the mascot.

Here's the deal. This is why we can't say Dinger anymore. Dinger has to be retired. It is not a word in the baseball lexicon. Is that the right way to use the word? It's not the right, it's not the right word. The right word is dong. So we will now, from now on, we will not be using the word dinger anymore because of situations like the one that arose in Denver, although certainly somebody used the other word at some point during the game because judging by their basketball fans. And that person would like to deeply apologize for his actions as that's a deep fly into left field and it'll be a home run by Castellanos.

Hey, Dongs from now on, okay? To avoid all these situations. So should they change his name to Dong the Tris? Wait, Tris, I don't know how to say that. It's Triceratops. Triceratops. Is it Triceratops for sure? You're sure

about that? I'm almost positive. The dinosaur with the three horns, right? Yep, that would be a triceratops. That's what he is. And I don't even get that. We've been roasting mascots on here. I think I'll take a look. I can't believe we didn't bring that up. Dinger, the triceratops?

Like, what is that even? Do you know what a dinger is? Like when you hit a home run, like a fly ball. Yeah, it's kind of a dope mascot. I would just change the name. To Dong. Dong. The Colorado Rockies Dong.

Ding, ding, ding, dong. People take it. Ding to ding ding ding ding dong. Ding ding dong. Ding-da-ding ding ding-dong I bring Jama-lake John Ding ding ding dong Ding ding ding dong

ding ding dong Oh my god The things that My wife was at the Rockies game She got a picture with Dong I think it's an amazing mascot And look at Mark McGuire This one picture of Mark McGuire

Ran up and grabbed Dong's horn Was just gripping Dong by the by the horn. This is a cool mascot. It just changed the name. We could avoid this problem altogether. I don't have anything else. We will be back Thursday with another killer guest.

Well, we're going to be back literally Thursday, but y'all will be enjoying this podcast on Friday. My apologies. Y'all have a good one and take care. Y'all take care. Okay.