Green Light with Chris Long - Packers Lead NFC North, Bills Comeback & Texans Defeat Chiefs | NFL WK14 Reactions

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

Chris, Beau and Nate react to a full NFL Week 14 slate. Comebacks, blowouts and the playoff picture becoming more clear. Josh Allen led the Buffalo Bills to a very important comeback over Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals, effectively knocking the Bengals out of the postseason. The Houston Texans did the same thing to Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs, who now need a lot of help to make a wild card spot. The Indianapolis Colts took a huge hit with Daniel Jones' injury knocking him out for the rest of the season and hanging the Colts playoff odds in the balance. Now the Jaguars and Texans seem to be the leaders in the AFC South. And the Pittsburgh Steelers took care of business against the Baltimore Ravens and took control of the AFC North. (00:00:00) - NFL Week 14 Reactions (00:09:37) - Best and Worst Flights from Week 14 (00:22:45) - Houston Texans vs Kansas City Chiefs (00:36:15) - Jacksonville Jaguars vs Indianapolis Colts (00:52:40) - Green Bay Packers vs Chicago Bears (01:07:25) - Buffalo Bills vs Cincinnati Bengals (01:19:35) - Pittsburgh Steelers vs Baltimore Ravens (01:32:35) - Tennessee Titans vs Cleveland Browns (01:48:00) - Minnesota Vikings vs Washington Commanders (01:55:30) - New Orleans Saints vs Tampa Bay Buccaneers (02:02:50) - LA Rams vs Arizona Cardinals (02:06:35) - Denver Broncos vs Las Vegas Raiders (02:08:30) - Seattle Seahawks vs Atlanta Falcons (02:13:00) - Bermuda Triangle Game: Miami Dolphins vs New York Jets (02:18:05) - Locals Landline Presented By Zone (02:29:00) - BetMGM Moments (03:07:45) - MNF Preview: Philadelphia Eagles at LA Chargers For the NFL's My Cause My Cleats, visit these sites to support:https://mcmc.rayzeapp.com/beauallen http://strongerthanyouthink.org/ Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Also, check out our paddling partners at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Appomattox River Company ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. Green Light's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube Channel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, where you can catch all the latest GL action: If you want some Black Friday merch, check out our sale:https://greenlightpodcast.shop/?fbclid=PAZnRzaAOR1RFleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8xMjQwMjQ1NzQyODc0MTQAAad3Jup6i1N2qH77pK8eUeSbKt2Y0OXMldIw1dRTq_xDRuY3Ctp99Qj4pfyGAw_aem_w9tp_XwGL-ZptFIHvlrM1g Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This was a moment of excellence from the Bill's offense. And from Joe Brady. Everybody's looking at Watson, and they should because I think Watson transforms what they do. But Jaden Reed's going to be the big difference maker for them. Here's the problem from the Packers. Per the internet, Toyotathon ends the first week of January. Yeah, they should run through February. Through mid-February.

It'd be really smart. Everyone from Kansas City, they could get ready for Mekanos, and they could get ready for the off-season wedding, and everyone taking the trip to Rhode Island in June. you called the chief's going home. Oh my God. Hey, guys. Welcome to the show.

What about the goofy fucking hat, you ask? Well, it is snowing out. And I'm sorry I'm late. I just want to talk this out with y'all in real time. I know I'm late, and I kind of showed up late on purpose. I apologize. You guys asked me to watch a lot of football ahead of these games. You guys love having all the information, but then you hate when I take too long to get it.

But we're here. I had to finish watching Cincinnati Buffalo on end zone or on sideline before I came over. I just wasn't going to not watch that game twice. I know that's a double negative. But I had to watch that fucking game twice. I wasn't going to come in here and be like, yes, sorry, I didn't see it. There's some other games today that I didn't see. And to be honest, next year I'd like to move this fucking live show later so I can actually do my job.

but we're one big family. I figured I'd air that out with the family members. Greenlight and prime time. Greenlight and prime time. Maybe like a late afternoon. Hey, you know, you're getting settled in. You get home from work. You're watching the pregame shows.

You don't need to watch the pregame shows. You watch the pregame shows with the sound off because this is better. You know? Anyways, welcome to the show. I'm going to take the hat off at some point. I just walked in here. I got the damn ugs on today. Dude, it is.

Oh, those ones from Tom Brady? Yeah, TB. I was kind of wondering how expensive Tom Brady's leather jacket was. That was like yesterday he had that leather jacket. That looked nice. He was thirst trapping with it. He's been killing me on social media lately, dude. Can you send read the story that you sent me?

Oh, God, yeah. I got to take a little bit. Over under $10,000. All you have to do is type in Chris on your text. Over under $10,000. thousand dollars on over over under twenty thousand dollars on that jacket i'd say 15 golly man we've had a lot cooking i mean let's not start connor teeth says i look cooked as the cheves are dude i haven't smoked all day why do y'all do this did we make cheves mean can you all

grow up did we make it mainstream i'm not in a bad mood i'm just going to call it how it is today you know you guys are like i'm sending this the cowboy i'm going to send in our group check out of it do we do we make cheves do we make cheeves mainstream my kids are on a snow day you think i'm like chiefing with my kids dude i got three of them remember that snow day killed i'm not i'm not like some of y'all all right go ahead i was saying did we make cheeves mainstream we made cheves mainstream last night i saw the cheves um deal pop up on the houston texans uh social media site and they just they totally lifted that from us but that's okay because we love their team hey uh this is the this is what this is what though you want to explain where you found that dude i saw this on

tom's instagram and it's like i'm the CEO of my own life pick your rules and it's like well said like dude well said fuck your rules i'm the CEO of my own life and it's jerry from tom and jerry smoking a blood you know i guess it's probably cigar but that's ridiculous dude like 50 year old tom brady is posting this on like a saturday night for no reason. I saw this. I thought it was like one of my high school buddies I posted this. I look up and it's fucking Tommy B. I'm like, that is hilarious. No, honestly, what it is is this dude, he can look as young as he wants. He can be as cool as he wants. He probably could still play in the NFL. I love Tom. But boomer memes are undefeated. And like literally the coolest men that I know

as they get older, my dad included, they will send boomer memes. Like dudes I know. they're like badass alpha male like 50, six year old dudes like they they fall victim to it. i'm starting to see dudes in my age range with the boomer memes dude it's a little concerning like tom brady yeah well tom brady i like that i think he's a little older than me for some reason but he's actually not that much older to me all right i just want to know what happened in his life what happened in tom brady's life where he you know he was posted that me like what did jazelle say you know that made him post that meme i'm the c c i don't know what i don't I don't want to speculate.

Not my business, but what is my business? Is this wonderful show? And we've got Dr. Fax here. We've got Nolan who's, we're paying up today in a big way. Pray for us, chat. Yeah, chat.

We're about to get flamed out here. Walked in here and Fax was sitting there waiting. You know? Prepared to cook. Yeah, for real. I feel like I'm in trouble. Like, I got in trouble on one of those baseball trips. We're in the pit of the office.

I got a long ride home to see my dad or something. And like, you know, like I've been waiting all morning for this. Cowboy Reed in the building. Bowes inside the computer, Tanners behind the computer. Shout out to all y'all locals out in the chat. My laptop's probably going to run out of steam. But watch this shit. All right, watch this shit.

Look what I'm doing here. Okay, so we're going to do things a little bit differently today. We're going to break the mentions up a little bit. You know, mentions for us are a staple. they've been around for as long as this show's been around. And best flight and worst flight are the two charter mentions. No pun intended. So we're going to bust those out at the front of the show

before Sunday night football going forward. They will be voted on by a panel of judges, our producers, at the end of the show, including the rest of the mentions. So stick around for that. Guys, let's get it kicked off. Best flight. Because I was told to get right into it on these videos. Okay, into it.

You're right? Best flight. Who's first? Nolan. I'm a voter. He's a voter this week. Bo, what's your best flight? Yeah, my best flight.

We talked about this a little bit briefly, but we're going to go to the Texans flying out of era. Getting a huge win, taking out of them. Cheves. Good flight for the Texans, not too far of a flight, you know, a little up and down back to Houston. And effectively, we've knocked the Cheves out of the playoff run. out of their little playoff run that they've been dominant in. So, yeah, it's a great flight. And D'Amico said, see you Thursday or Wednesday.

Yeah. Yeah. Did he say those words? Did he say those words? He said, see you a Wednesday. That's awesome. Yeah. The best three words.

And they have the camera on the locker room, guys in his drawers. Yeah. Dance. Like, come on. And they slow moat it. They slow moat. We don't need the guys. Oh, I don't need the guys.

We do. That's good for the vibes. I like that. Yeah, at some point, the NFL is to consider what they're, you know, NFL is to consider what they're doing there. No question. Do they do that in women's sports? No, seriously. Look how afraid Tanner is where I'm going. Everybody in here's butthole just puckered up. Y'all are a bunch of babies. In women's sports, do you ever see a shot of the locker room? No, because it would be disrespectful. Because it would be disrespectful to the ladies. But yet, we're just pieces of meat, which has always

been a problem I have. But because we're men, we can't be objectified. I like it. I like it. I remember there was a time where I was, I was, you like it. There was a time where I was going to bed one night and my phone kept blowing up. You're not pausing that fast. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm going to stop pausing, but just let it go. My phone. My phone was blowing up.

Kyle had played a Sunday night football game or something like that. And my phone was blowing up after the game and I was like, I had to pick it up. Like one of those things where like after two rings, you pick your phone up at night. And it was PFT commenter. And he was like, dude, you got to like, you're, brothers pieces on the internet like they you know like he got caught in the crossfire just like that and he wasn't ready he wasn't prepped you know what i'm saying and so both's not in his head like that i wasn't ready yeah you got to be ready you got to know and that kind of that kind of looks bad for

you too because like you know genetics like you guys are brothers bro don't even do that you know me better than that don't even do that pause you know me better than that don't do that don't do that that's Don't do that. That's crazy. Absolutely nuts. Oh, but he got caught and they put it on like a news station? Yeah. He was naked on a news station.

No, he was naked on like the live. IG live. Oh. So he was naked on IG live. And then, yeah, and that was half of it. I was like, man, come on, man. Like you're making me. But it was one of those things where like,

Edspin picked it up. All these people picked it up, and they got clicks. And I'm like, you would never do this if it were the WMBA. Correct? Correct. Okay, ran over. Okay. Let's do Best Flight.

I got Titans. Last time the Titans won a game. Sorry, why? Is that yours? Yeah, I was going to say Cam Ward, but it's all good. Well, no, I'll give you a different. You can do it. Go ahead.

I'll think of a different one. I really will think of a different one. Well, I was going to say Cam Ward. I just think this battle between him. Him and Shador. They're obviously their friends. They train together. And I think this is something for NFL fans that hopefully for years to come, this will be somewhat of an interesting battle and a game to see these two quarterbacks, elite quarterbacks, perform like the way they did. And I think for Cam Ward to get this win and feel good, have a little bit of confidence to finish off probably a not-so-good rookie season with that franchise. gives you a little confidence to beat one of your homeboys, the person you train with, and you guys had both a pretty decent game

and something that I feel like will be pretty memorable the game for the stats-wise. And Cam Ward played really, really well. Here's the deal. Cam Ward, you know, they did everything they could sort of putting him in bubble wrap. They were, he was running from a grizzly bear for most of that game.

And the time to throw reflected that. They got him. So number one, just to load the plane with your $50 million quarter. back and him not be hurt after a game like that. Like what he was under siege, which is nothing new for that team. But yeah, that that's a good flight 90 minutes up and down. I'm going to think of a better flight right now.

While you think of that, I think we should shout out of this comment in the chat. Jake Thornton said that when he was young, he got asked to run the chains for a football game. And he said no, because in his words, I was drunk. And then they said they needed me. And I went to measure for a first down and my hog flopped out. No way. I got a lot of questions. Just no briefs.

Just dick out at the high school. So much for the flights going fast. We got snobars about people's falling out doing the chains and shit. Oh, man, best flight. Well, here, Bo, give your worst fight. We'll keep them moving. Yeah, we'll be a circle back. No, I want to give mine because I just gave my best flight away.

Yeah, yeah, okay. I don't want to lose mine. It's the, it's the Bengals. I know some people are going to say the Colts. Yeah. But being on a middling team like the Bengals, and in middling,

I mean like in actuality, not who they are when they're healthy. It's worse than being, it's not worse, it's more depressing to be on a two and 14 team. It's just like, it's like a blanket of sadness. There's like your team's just down all the time.

But to be on a fucking team that goes seven and nine, or, you know, whatever it is in today's world, it'd be like eight and nine. I've been on a couple of those teams. It's almost worse because you get the hope and then it gets smashed. And you think, oh, we've got a chance. You look at numbers. You look at your schedule. You look at and then you're like, hey, we have to win this game.

How many times have we said that about the Bengals so far this year? Must win, must win, must win. Over the last two years, they lose again. And the way they lost for me is what makes this the worst flight. the swing for Christian Benford picking that ball off went from like if you looked at the math on that play it was one of the biggest single play swings in win probability all season I mean that's crazy they scored 21 points in five and a half minutes absolutely nuts and it feels like when you lose a game like that on the road like I can tell you when something like that happens

you remember that sound for the rest of your life. No bullshit. When you lose a bad game on the road and it happens in like one play, there are still plays from my career when we played Seattle and we'd play them close and play them close and then inevitably fourth quarter or some crazy shit would happen

because there was a horseshoe up their ass and our offense was bad. But I'll never forget like watching Cam Chancellor pick a ball off and run it back or like the way the crowd erupts. This stuff's going to stick with them. I think it was the type of flight where you could hear a pin drop.

on the way home. Like no joke. Plus, you've got to fly out of a damn snowstorm. 21 points in four and a half minutes that had to be brutal. And that Benford pick sent it 60.8 percentage points from 16.2 to 77 percent. Single biggest win probability swing on a play outside the last two minutes. It feels like getting jumped. It feels like getting jumps. You're like Mr. Crabs where you're all, like that's what it feels like when you give up a play like that on the road. And then you come back out and then the Appanessa. like Mr. Crabs. When it happened, I was shocked.

I've never, I haven't been that shocked all season at a play like that. It was such a great play. And it was such a boneheaded play on. Dude, the way he stuck it in his fingers, like it was, that was wild. I feel like everyone's picking off these little screen passes. Yeah. Ginkle had another one. He's, he's gotten good at that.

That's, that's two weeks in a row where Bedford's like. Benford's a dog. Just changed the game. Look at that. Oh, me. Dude, I honestly, that looks like it's still. shot that's a that's a 25 second video I've never been so surprised all season long that was just such a massive play dude and the bengals still covered which was great but for a minute there it looked

pretty dicey all right worst flight may I go I'll I'll leave the you know the obvious the low hanging fruit for Dr. Fax I'm gonna go worst flight Dan Quinn the commanders you get shut out against the Vikings the Vikings aren't like you know a super duper strong team like like you know like they're very good. And you get shut out. You play your young stud quarterback who re-injures his elbow after throwing a pick and getting blocked into the turf. And, you know, another tough one with Zach Hurts, got injured too.

Hated to see that. Love Ertz. Chris and I obviously played with him in Philly. But you're Dan Quinn. You're leaving. What is the commander's record? They're fucking three and ten on that flight home after getting shut out. And then obviously you're a defensive coach.

You know, the Vikings put up 31 points on you. That's a tough flight, man. Tough flight for Dan Quinn and the commanders. Man. Well, thanks for the low-hanging fruit. Worst flight going to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers losing to, oh, shucks. Oh, shucks.

For rushing. Shuck it. Not one, but two rushing touchdowns, losing to rookie quarterback. back, Tyler Shuck down in New Orleans. You know, that's a quick flight back to Tampa, just soaking in your sorrows and looking at Instagram and seeing that we are tied with...

Who had the worst flight? Yeah. Who had the worst flight? Did the bucks have the worst flight? Talk about a ricochet. Talk about a backfire. Who had the worst flight? The Buck and Mears.

That game was played outside. in lovely Tampa I was there you were getting you were you were you were you were like oh but if I got something for Bose as I'm gonna get bow I got myself I was I was looking outside it was right I'll go to my I go to my best flight well the worst I'll go to your best flight yeah what is the worst flight it's the Colts it's the Colts it's the Colts it's the cold you can hear a 10 drop but but we'll save it for later not that bad of a flight Colts fans I got a little You got a little gift for you.

Okay. So I think My bad, Nate, I think I told you. It's all good. I was double checking it because I. I got to throw you one. It's all good. I got a good one.

Best flight. Thank you to somebody on set. Notre Dame related. The walk-ons on that team don't have to get the fuck beat out of them on scout team for a month. They get to fly home. For bowl prep.

Because of Notre Dame's cowardice. And I know. I wasn't happy that a social went out last night shitting on every Catholic in America. I wanted to wait until we got a chance to talk about it as a group. But Notre Dame is hilarious, objectively, that fans don't want to be bothered about this thing.

And I know there's a couple other teams that do it. But to me, until it's the absolute norm, you're going to look funny when you opt out of, you know, the bowl series because you wanted to be in the playoff. It just looks like sour grapes. And it's funny as fuck. And, you know, whether you have like, you know, I heard Coach Kev, back backy in the group chat yesterday was bringing up the point that it's about TV money and that sort of thing.

All well and good. Join a conference. Join a conference, dude. Join a conference. Best flight, walk-ons, Notre Dame. I don't know if you saw it, the Notre Dame athletic director said that the ACC has done irreparable damage to Notre Dame's or to their relationship. What? Yeah.

Why? Because Miami's in? I think because they lost to Miami and issues there, but this was the Pete Bevacqua. PDB. PDB. Said that the ACC has done permanent damage to his relationship with the Iris. We were mystified by the actions of the conference. They have certainly done permanent damage to the relationship between the conference in Notre Dame. Hey, Joel, this is a great comment.

He says as a devoted Catholic Notre Dame did something we never do. And that's pull out, Chris. And there's a bunch of people that are going to argue the point. But like with a casual college football fan like me, I don't care enough whether I'm right or wrong. Like a very service level, to me it looks funny as fuck. It's just funny, dude. Like you're like the, you choose your situation. You're an independent.

You're you've got the brand. you have the TV deal, you have all that shit, and all you have to do is just win enough games to get in the fucking deal. If you're worried about it, win more games or join a conference. Like, that's what it seems like to me. Am I way off base on this one? No, join the SEC. You can lose three games.

It's still a minute. No, and I get it. Like, you know, I get it. You kind of think you're grandfathered in, but you're not. And I heard, is this true that next year? Is this true the stat you told me or the little anecdote about next year? If they start the season ranked. That was reported.

Yeah, yeah. So we don't know if it's true. Well, like, that was what was, because we saw that tweet. Let me go back again. That's what I'm asking. I would find it again. Okay. So then I'm not going to bring it up.

That's all I need to know. Notre Dame is probably, Notre Dame fans are glad this is over. So, yeah, best flight, worst flight. Are we done? Do we have any more best flights or worse flights? No, that's it. We got to hear the rankings, right? Who won?

That's at the end. We'll vote at the end. Jesus doesn't join conferences, what he said. I like that. Virginia will play two. We'll play two bowl games. Notre Dame doesn't want to play, we'll play two bowl games. We don't care.

We got beat by Duke the other night. You think we want to play in a fucking bowl game? We. We. Yeah. No. Worst flight, JMU to Eugene. Imagine having to fly five hours.

hours. And hey, can we produce that text message that he sent in the wee hours of the morning two nights ago? And this was true, the Notre Dame thing. That might come back up during the mountains. We can bring that back around. Okay, we'll save it. But this is the one thing I want to say. Okay, Notre Dame. Notre Dame will be assured of making the playoff if it is ranked in the top 12 starting next year. Notre Dame's AD, PDB, told Yahoo, sports. If the playoff is expanded to 14 teams and there are more at large berths, yada, yada, yada. Dude, is that legit? That's legit. Per Ross

Delinger. So you're telling me if they're preseason top 12, they're going in the playoff. And anything they do after that doesn't matter? I love that. That's what that tweet says. I love that. That's a fucking absurd tweet. It's an absurd

thing if it's true. Yeah. yeah yeah next year golly dude maybe I'll try to get my one year eligibility my red shirt back oh my god dude that's crazy college football playoffs all right all right

here we go here we go here we go and not preseason at the playoff end of the year yeah yeah yeah I got it I'm way off base because Notre Dame wasn't the only team that opted out if you heard me earlier I said that

but also their Notre Dame and that's what makes it more fun you get it I spotted the Notre Dame fan. Okay, Saturday Night Football from one America's team to another America's team. Legit, dude, Notre Dame, Chiefs, two of the most popular. This is a sad state of affairs for some of the most popular football teams in the country. The great Chris Collinsworth last night, who I thought was fantastic in this game,

except for the fact that I thought he Kig loved Mahomes a lot. Yeah. It was like every ball that was off target. who's like, look at this. Like, you know, you got to catch that ball. There's just nothing about, hey, the ball's behind receiver X or tight-in. Why? All right.

If you want to beat the champs, you've got to knock them out because you're not winning any decisions. And I thought that was really, really on target. And for a minute, it looked like they missed their chance to knock them out. Okay, they're up 10-0. The Texans are. Looking for a knockout blow. It's 3rd and 16 with 42 seconds ago in the first half.

You guys remember the moment. You got one time out. Stroud runs away from Stroud runs away from Jones, which I felt like that was the case all night long. And he fires a strike. He was great on third and very long. There were so many situations where they were able to get out of trouble

that they created on first and second. They run almost 20 seconds off the clock before they're penalized for a false start. It was the most Houston, Texan sequence in football last night. And, you know, now you've killed your two for one. You don't get points before the head. half you're up 10-0 you want to put them away then you come out in third quarter it's a house of

horrors i think they gave christ jones bath salts in the locker rooms i've never seen like the way he's sped up he went from like one x to 1.5x and i think part of it is chris jones is the type of guy that he'll turn it on sometimes which is god that's got to be an amazing way to be like i just i was you know have that choice they have the choice yeah i think this half i'm going to take the game over and i understand it's not that simple and it's a bit reductive but you could all see it like chris jones came out breathing fucking fire dude and uh he blows up two plays you know and i thought as soon as cj stroud sailed the ball to hutchinson i was like damn they missed their opportunity they really did because now the whole thing and they spent most of the second second half third quarter not completing any passes

and inching backwards in the field position battle which it kind of became a field position deal um and and And, you know, Kansas City hits the shot and then Hunt runs through Anderson in the red zone for a touchdown. And that's when you're like, oh, shit. But somehow these guys found a way. And part of it was Andy Reed being aggressive going on fourth and one, Will Anderson getting a rush. Part of it was, you know, Mahomes and his past catchers couldn't get on the same page. Like they have been for most of the season. It's just the same problems kind of plagued this team.

And part of it was the quarterback. I just thought the defense was as advertised in this game. I told you Houston will win this game and it kind of went the way I thought, although I was a little surprised it ended up being a two-score game, but it didn't feel like that for much of the second half. I just thought the Texans in a game where they nearly give it away, right? They have it in the bag. They nearly give it away.

That third quarter, everything about that third quarter screen, we're going to lose this game on the road at Arrowhead at night, which is the way it goes for eons prior to this season. season. I don't know whether to make it about the Chiefs and who they aren't anymore or whether to make it about the Texans who I think they can be. But I think the Texans just did something really big last night. And when you look at their schedule down the stretch, they're the only team in the hunt. And I'm talking about those wild card. And I'll throw the Jags in there too because it is going to. And boy, oh boy. You throw us into what?

Dude, can you do the show? Is it possible? You know, the looks. It's like. You're saying you're throwing us into what the hunt? The hunt, yeah, I said I'll throw you into the hunt. I was about to say you're the only one I'll throw into the hunt because it is relevant because Houston and Jacksonville are in a division race now. Of all the AFC teams in the hunt. Okay. You do it.

No, I'm listening. Tell me about the AFC playoff picture. Explain the AFC playoff picture to me. Whenever they show, they show the pitcher and when they say in the hunt. Why do you think I mention, I understand? It's a team that's not in the playoffs. Why do you think I mentioned Jacksonville? Why do you think I added Jacksonville in there?

Because we're in first place. No, and that's why I've mentioned it, because you're not in the hunt, but I will throw Jacksonville in the conversation. Okay? I hear you. Because they're in a two-team race for the AFC South. Now I'll get to what I was going to say. What I was going to say is Houston has three home games out of four. They're the only team.

They're the only team left. And so they have a real big opportunity here with Arizona, Vegas, Los Angeles, and Indie. That's all I'm going to say. I think they put themselves in a really good position to possibly, even if they don't win the division, because Jacksonville, they'd need Jacksonville's help. Jacksonville would have to lose to Denver. It basically comes down to L.A., if you're assuming,

Houston's going to be favored at home, which they should be. They're a whole different team at home. Arizona, Las Vegas, India at home, probably all favored. I don't know if they're favored on the road at L.A. That's kind of the way it goes. So for the division, it kind of comes down to you have to win out, presumably because I think Jackson will go 3 in 1 or 4 and 0 and then you need jackson to lose to Denver and if you're talking about the wild card I think they're sitting pretty what they did last

night was big that's all I'm saying the jaggs currently have a 98% chance to make the playoffs 59% chance to win the aFC south that's per the neurodance who has a 59% chance the jaguars to win the aFC south yep compared to 38% for the texans And that's the first time we've cut to you. You look incredible. That's all I want to say. Well, I got to ask for the long hair folks, is it as itchy as this all the time? I mean, I don't know how Trevor does it.

Put it up in a little man bun. I'm going to tie it up. I'm going to tie it up. But no, on that game, Chris, I mean, you talked about the Texans defense. I think that, you know, we've talked about all season, but they really established last night. They are the best unit. football, including both offense and defense. You look at their on an EPA per play basis, their negative 0.154 EPA per play mark is higher in effect size than the Rams, positive 0.140 mark.

Rams are the best offensive football. So when you compare across both sides of the ball, this is the best unit in football. It's what they leaned on last night. It's their superpower. And it's kind of why they have a case, just as much of a case as anybody in the AFC, as a real contender to come out on top of that conference. But probably not, right? Let's get to the big game. Let's just get to the big game. I just want to say, get to the big game.

The defensive matchup between Spags and, you know, Damiko and the Texans was so fun to watch. Some people, you know, called that Sunday football game a snoozer. Those are two great defense that are very different, right? Like Spags, exotic blitzes, blah, blah, and then the Texans are just kind of rushing for playing covers. So I thought that was great. And now, Chris, we can get on to the big game.

You can let facts. Look, everyone from Kansas City, they could get ready for Mekanos and they could get ready for the offseason wedding and everyone taking the trip to Rhode Island in June. Which you called the Chiefs going home. You called the Chiefs going home. I've been saying it. I've been saying it for a while.

They just don't look like the team this year. Because Mahomes hasn't made the throws this year. And obviously, and I thought the left tackle did a pretty good job last night. Polet? Polay. He might have fell into something with that guy because the other guy, I mean, Juanier Morris, who left the game early, was probably going to play worse than him. the way I looked at it.

And I don't know if it's the O'Liman or if it was just last year, but they need a different running game. I don't know if the Pacheco or a Kareem Hunt, that one-two punch is like, is enough part of it. But yeah, I agree. I think they could use it a higher caliber back. And I hate hearing the trade rumors of them not getting Breeze Hall or whatever. That's right.

That's right. The fact of that you had a chance to get him, and just thinking about how he could have potentially maybe help that offense. It's just like, it's all what ifs. But, yeah, I don't know. They're just not like, and I feel like it's good seeing different teams not make the NFL. I think that's what this year's about. It's like it's a changing of the guard.

Just like how everyone's going to be happy. Like if the Panthers sneak in, I think NFL fans will be like, oh, this is cool. Like, when's the last time we've seen the Panthers sneak in? I don't know. I think NFL fans are probably going to be like, what the fuck are they doing here? But like, so they'll probably say that unless the bucks get healthy and play a lot better,

they'll say the same thing about the fucking about the bucks. I just, this year has been crazy. You know, the two guys with multiple MVPs have not played well. You know, that's, I got to be honest, the chiefs, Mahomes, if he plays 10% better this year, they win a couple more games. And that's part of it.

He was under siege at times. You know, the run game, you know, for stretches without Pacheco and then he comes back, it's not really a factor for them. They don't really, like, what was their identity offensively this year? Does anybody know? No. I don't know what, you know, it's, hey, Mahomes make a play. And you could see it last night.

They were hunting shots. Like, you know, and I said coming to the game, you better not try to just take shots all game long. These guys are too fast. your receivers are good they're not great right and you know you saw what thornton gets behind him and you got guys catching up to make plays on the ball um and Kelsey has dropped some balls and he hasn't been himself it's probably his last year and that's why watching him on the bench last night was tough after that drop and Chris is giving it to him and I know my homes is throwing away from coverage and that

sort of thing and it's a tougher catch but um I just think for the chiefs this year like when you're on a bad football team everybody takes a turn you know and coaches say that a lot it's not one unit's fault it's not the other units fault like the third quarter of defense chris collinsworth was not exaggerating it was one of the best best quarters of defense you see in all season so but the chiefs just could not get an identity consistently all year and the texans to me their identity is clearly the defense i know who they are it helps color in who they should be offensively and i thought woody marks played well them last night he found a little daylight at times big wood um pause and then and then you end up with higgins making some big plays no although i will say dude in that third quarter it felt like

they were running into like uh like one of these zombie movies where there's a bunch like a zombie apocalypse like they're all sprinting for not the slower like uh walking dead kind but like the um what's that zombie movie that just came out the way they 28 days later yeah it's like 28 days later where everybody's like sped up that's the way they were tackling in this game in the third quarter like i think it was watson was it watson that suplex knoll in the flat dude the intensity on the field this game was unreal chris collins were really good best form tackle he'd seen all year it was unreal dude so said in 10 years i was like okay calls or he says that kind of a wrestling but i think people are excited to see people are excited to see a playoff picture without the chiefs like the athletics

playoff scenario like you know little tool that they have online literally crashed after that game because people were checking all the different scenarios and it feels like a little bit of a fresh playoff picture i mean fax is over there nodding and smirking uh oh wait you see the looks too i'm being told i need to apologize the facts in the fucking chat that's the thing about facts he is you you are him so you guys can all be buddies together make it about anything but you you came out of me for what the chat saying because you guys are in solidarity But what, but like, how? Because from the minute this show started, you've been looking at me like I have a dick on my forehead every time I start talking.

It is distracting. I have to say a thousand words every 10 minutes in the show. No, it's just a hat. I just feel like the goal post is just moved. Who's moving to go? There you go. So say it. So what's the goal post?

Who's moving the goal post? Who's moving the goal post? Who's moving the goal post? Oh, man. Let's get to the next game. No, no, no, no, no, stand on what you said. Who's moving the goalpost? I just feel like in here, the goalpost gets moved a lot on stuff that we talk about.

For who? For, for particular. I think what Fax is talking about. Oh, I'm sorry. Hold on a second. Did we move the goalposts on the Raiders winning the West? No, no, no, no. No, they're not.

No, they're trapped. Bro. So who's moving the goal pose? Who's moving the goal pose? I got up there last night and I said, hand up. I was wrong about the general. Jags, total blind spot for me. Can't wait to hear facts.

Give it to me. I know, but it's fine. It's just like, bro, like. This show's so fucking annoying. Y'all have no idea behind the scenes how annoying this fucking show is. It's the most annoying show to run ever. Continue.

Go to your Jacksonville. Go to do your Jacksonville breakdown. Do your Jacksonville breakdown. Oh, the game of the day, ladies and gentlemen. Belt to ass Jacksonville J-Ivers versus the Indian Amble. Minneapolis Colts. The Colts never do well in Jacksonville. Why? I have no idea, but the curse continues for them. Unfortunately, Daniel Jones goes down with non-contact injury. Turns out to be his Achilles, which isn't good for the Colts at all. But if anyone is a Colts fan and you watch

the game, you should be somewhat enthused that Riley Leonard isn't that bad. And the spot that he was put in yesterday at the point of the game where he got in. He actually did pretty well. A few penalties took away touchdowns and a few big passes for him. But he played very well. But as for the Jacksonville Jaguars, I think we look amazing since a few weeks ago when it was evident that Liam Cohen, he had told Trevor Lawrence to just let it rip and him and Jacoby Myers are an amazing combination. Brian Thomas Jr. had an amazing game yesterday. Trevor in the rain dropped two, I don't even like top caliber passes in the bucket on the sideline to PTJ during this game.

And it's just sometimes for me seeing Trevor make those type of passes is honestly what pisses me off about him when he does. some of the other stuff that he does. And yesterday, I'm going to give him a little bit of a pass because of the rain because he let an easy check-down fly option to the running back. He, like, overshot him so badly yesterday that it was one of those things. It's just like, Trevor, like you make a pass like that, and then you can't make a five-yard check-down pass that will probably go for a few yards.

I don't understand. but the Jags in first place right now. Great team. In first place right now. Going to Super Bowl. What do you got to say, Bo? Dude, you got to give him his dude. I didn't say a fucking word, bro.

Right, this is the type of shit. No, I see them tap the mic if he wanted to talk. He just tapped the mic on. He might have just been making sure. Did you not tap your mic like you won the talk? I'm going to say this, all right? The Jags, I don't know how good they are. Honestly, I don't.

I think they're great, Bo. like you're a hater obviously you know whatever congrats congrats they all right and that's the thing we walk in this for me this isn't even about the jaggs this game like i i like the colts said i like j t my old d-line coach charlie parjures who i love he was my d-line coach at wisconsin he was he's on the cold staff i'm a huge fan of his but it's just to me like yeah the jaggs played well but you know they beat the team who lost their starting quarterback to a terrible injury. Like I feel for Daniel Jones is kind of like the worst, his situation, I just feel for him so bad. And I know I think that the biggest thing I want

to say is like, you know, with Riley Leonard, like he looked good at times. It just sucks that AR 15 breaks his damn orbital bone in preseason, you know, a couple weeks ago. He can't play. Daniel Jones is having a phenomenal season out of nowhere. It feels like the Cinderella comeback story. I was excited about that because I like to see guys who bounce around succeed. And then he's battling through injury. He tears his damn Achilles and just the video of him struggling and limping into the, you know, into the sideline. And he knows that his Achilles is torn.

Like to me that it's just hard to celebrate, you know, a Jacksonville victory under these circumstances. But congratulations, man. You know, they're, they're clearly the class of the. Can I be honest? It's like, yeah, go ahead. No, can I be honest? I'm just annoyed with facts because he knows how to get under my skin. It has none do with the Jags.

Jags deserve a lot of credit. Oh, you're annoyed with facts? Oh, fuck yeah, dude. Today. Like, and, and most of the chat, you know, and pretty much everybody,

okay? And I was having a good, the chat is, the chat's pissing me off to you. I called someone, because they know what they, when the chat, the chat knows when I get pissed,

they start. What was my take? What was my take? I don't see this is the type of shit. I wanted the Colts to win because I like the Colts. I like this podcast. better when it was half as popular, dude. It really, I mean, honestly.

And it's not even that popular now. It's just you get some first takey types. All right, here's what I'm going to say. I had a major blind spot with this team because I just assumed the quarterback wasn't going to play like that this week. I thought he played really well in the rain. Trevor in the rain, I'm used to turnovers. Didn't know Daniel Jones is going to get hurt,

but I still think the way that was playing out. I think you guys win that game. And I thought he played. Would you say top? three performance of the year for him? Absolutely. And that's, and that to me, if you get that performance out of him, you can win not one, but two playoff games.

Maybe more. And here's a secret. I think, but you got to get that performance out of him. I think what happened was a few weeks ago, him and Liam came to whatever understanding about this whole wearing a wristband thing. I don't think Liam is a fan of it. And him and Trevor came and he's been wearing it the past few weeks. And I think maybe that is helping out a little bit because, for one, the Jags, they're

not snapping every single snap under three seconds. I think that is the biggest issue with our offense is that Trevor can't, like, if he feels like he's mentally sped up just to start the play, I don't think that bodes well after the snap for them. And just the simple fact that they're doing that better and snapping the ball at like at least five seconds or before that, I think that has been a big deal.

But, I mean, we talk about it in here. The Jags are only going to go as far as Trevor Lawrence. And I mean, most teams, it's like that, but especially for the Jaguars, because everywhere else, we are very formidable defense. We can hold our own with any offense. Like, we stop the run very, very well. Like, we play the pass. Like, we do what we need to. And then special teams, we make enough plays on special teams that, like, we can flip the field a little bit.

So it's all on Trevor. This is a very good breakdown. I would agree with everything you said. Facts. I think Liam Cohen, as I've said, about. a bunch of times has done a great job, but I just, the quarterback has to play like that. That's it. And if he plays like that, you're good.

And I love that. Liam keeps challenging him, man. Keep bringing it out of Trevor. No, the thing I do want, the thing I really wanted to talk about in this breakdown, and it's not to avoid giving you your due because I think you're dead right. But it's the bigger story. The bigger story is indie. The bigger story is.

To me, because not only does it change, like we're talking about the chiefs and we're talking about other teams that are thinking about they're out, they're in, like what do we do like now you've got a shot because there's probably one less wildcard team for sure this team probably dies in dirt i mean i remember last night watching devon mccordy and jason garrett argue over this on set that was super fucking funny dude yeah it wasn't like this argument it was like well jason garret was like building out like a positive case for like oh that's like they're done He's like, no. They're cooked, bro.

And Garrett was like, motherfucker. And what's the name was like, don't do that? Dev was like, stop. Don't do that. So, you know, I think it not only is a ripple effect for the rest of the league,

but it's also a kind of a crossroads for what do you want to do because they have gone all in. They ship next year's first round pick for sauce Gardner. This is, yeah, but like, and I would have too, because their window,

there's so many guys up in 25 and 20, and we talked about this window in the wake of that trade, like this is why you make the trade. But now you've got a quarterback who on December 7th tears his ACL, or not his ACL, he ruptures as Achilles, which is actually probably worse. And there's also layers to that story because we said with the fibula,

with the fractured fibula, as an athlete, you always hurt something else. When you're playing through something, you compensate, you hurt something else. So like from an athlete's standpoint, when I feel bad for Daniel Jones, right? But I also kind of feel for the Colts because their windows wide open,

they're moving like their window was wide open. They had hit a bump in the road, they weren't playing well on third down, I thought some of it was fixable. Did I think there were a Super Bowl team, no? But now they certainly aren't, and they have to consider, do we wanna pay Daniel Jones?

And we talked about it for quite a while last night. And my answer was no. And my answer is still probably no. And I understand that some people think that you could probably give them Gino deal. But I just recent history and I understand Aaron Rogers is older, but he didn't look great his first year off in Achilles. If you're going to wait two years for Daniel Jones to look good, then you're out of the window and these guys won't have jobs. Okay. So number one, you have that.

Kirk Cousins is another example. Deshaun Watson another example. Now he's more weathered and more mileage. On top of that, it's just a consideration of like if he's nine months, he's still going to miss time. Yep. He's still going to miss the first couple weeks of the season. And they might have, what if you have to go out of pistol? You know, you looked at like what Kirk Cousins did where you can, you couldn't run certain plays because the guy's not mobile. This is a run first offense. What if you can't get a certain play action looks? What if you can't go under center? I think there's too many what-ifs. I think you have to figure a work around. And the thing that sucks is you don't have a lot of draft capital. I throw out names like Mack Jones in a trade. Jacoby

Reset in a trade, something like that. Aaron Rogers and free. agency would be a fucking banger for this team and if i were aaron rogers i'd much rather play for this team than pittsberg um and maybe that's what they end up doing but i would not sign daniel jones i wouldn't unless you showed me a deal that it's just so easy to get out from under and it's so and so fair to the team um danio jones has been paid that's the one good thing he's not going to be out looking for a huge payday but it's yeah but do other teams sign him then like just i'm thinking about you know daniel jones the player the person it sucks it sucks it sucks so bad for him to just, you know, kind of commit himself to this Colts team,

play through injury, play well. All indications were that he was going to resign there exactly what you were just saying, Chris. And then it's like there's a, there's a very plausible scenario where he is not on a roster at the beginning of next year, I think. I don't know. Like I don't necessarily think that's going to happen. I think, you know, a team will take a team friendly, you know, deal with him.

But I don't know. I just feel for him in exactly what you're saying. Like Colts are in trouble for next year. Not to Cape for a rival, but who do the Colts have left? Like, I just feel like Riley, like, he came in and I feel like he played decent enough just for the little bit that they can win a couple of more games. In a tough setting, too. Yeah, like that they can win a couple of more games.

So they actually. Yeah, at Seattle, one of the league's best defenses, and they play the 49ers. they're not going to win that's why Dev said what he said last night it's over who they have who they have left because it's just I was saying like our D-Coronator Campanelli

is it like he's a great he's a great D-Corpsorner but you're going into Robert Sala you're going into Seattle Seattle just put up how much they just beat the brakes a ton of points Colts currently have a 30% chance

of making the playoffs and sauce gardeners her like it's crazy just like the parody of the NFL and just like if you were a Colts fan two weeks ago just how great it was just looking like nothing's promise life comes at you fast comes at you so fast bro because now sauce is hurt all your draft picks are gone your quarterback is done for the year like you can hope Riley Leonard does something it's an Anthony Richardson prayer dude then that turn turn your offense into a fucking oh but here's this though with what like what if he never

plays again what do you mean like he like he He hurt his orbital bone and he's having trouble to see. Like, I just feel like that's... I just need to... I just need him to hand the ball off and be able... They can run... They can run QB-keep left. You know what I'm saying?

Like, if you see how your left eye, then we'll just read the left end. But, like, how crazy is that? Just even that, like, yo, he broke his orbital bone. Like, like, it's just... No, I know. Just the downfall of everything is just... It's unfortunate, but it's just one of those leagues. It's just like, literally, next man up.

And you can't really feel sorry for guys for circumstances, but it's like, God damn, if you are a Colts fan. Yeah, I think that's the thing, too, is like even if you, even if there's a world where you can bring Daniel Jones back on a one-year deal, basically pay him to rehab and then see where he's at mid-season or whatever his timeline is, then that's what your plan is for the first half of the season is Anthony Richardson. Well, how healthy is he? And then, like Chris, you talked about last night, the window they're in with the guys who were up after this season, including Dan, Jones, Braden Smith, Quitty Pay, Alec Pierce, Nick Cross, and then after next season, Pittman, Buckner, Nelson, Taylor, Kenny Moore, Grover Stewart, Josh Downs. So the other scenario here is looking at the reality of all that,

looking at that list of guys for next season and go on a trade spree this offseason, just, you know, full reset. I don't know. And with Richardson four days ago, there was an article that stated Richardson's vision was temporarily impaired. by the injury because of swelling and the resulting surgery that was required leaving him with some blurriness in one eye that is now clearing it's clearing how hey how's that stuygan hasn't talked to him in two months how's that how's that how's that how's that how's that

vision bud break your fucking orbital how many fingers are my own end of the long hallway just kidding wouldn't do that go fuck that too oh my god um joe flacco would you try to go get joe flaco Joe Flacco Would you go try to go get him real quick? Well, if they go get Joe Flacco Liam Cohen's gonna be mad as fuck Just like Toma was back as fine Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he would

Yeah, he would. No, I try to get James Winston But James Winston Didn't you bring that up yesterday, James Winston? That's your release. He should have used his box platform yesterday. He should have to announce That I am publicly,

I'm once again asking To be on a different team All right, so that was a big one. Before we get out of it, you know, we can't. Yeah. Yeah. Duval! I had to hit one.

See, I love that. I love that. It's just when I'm doing like the first breakdown of the day and you're shooting me that looks like, let's get to the Jags thing. I'm like, God damn, I can't focus. Duval your head off. I'll give you another minute, dude. I don't care if we go to it for a minute.

I don't care if we go to the pool, dude. Shout out to little Duval, too. Little Duvon. He was supposed to go on the show. I just never. He knows what's up. He knows what's up. The Jags is doing amazing.

I love to see other Jags fans in the while because you guys don't understand. You guys are, you guys are used to rowdy fans. And then when I get a little rowdy, it's like you guys are used to the- I've never met a Jack. I've never met a Jacks fan like you. Like way, way, way worse than me. Like way, way worse than me. I know, but I don't have to do shows with them.

No, I guess. I hear you. NFL fans are NFL fans, dude. It's just the point is, good job. That's what we were all going to say today. That's legitimately, I said it last night. It's the first thing I said on my fucking. I go, we're going to put the jet.

What did I say? You did it. But look, but like, still, but even if you guys say good job or not, like, I still got to be me. You can't be you. I still got to be me. People won't understand at home, so we're not going to waste their time. Man, so, like, what's going to happen? So, what you're just going to cancel the show?

If we win the Super Bowl? No. You just like, fall. I don't hate the Jags that much. No, I know. I just was wrong. about the Jags. I was just wrong about the Jags. I can't be right about every fucking thing. What up, Shad Kyle? They don't like hearing me say that.

But me and Shire Card. Like the next game, your former team, the Bears. Oh, man. Called that one. But I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to look at you like this the whole time you talk. No, I know, because, you know, I got, you go pack go. I got them in the Super Bowl. Oh, you do. You do have the Packers in the Super Bowl. I'll pull the Chris. It's like a Facts, it's like a fax, it's like a, I can't get away from him. You can't get away from it. The Packers do look like a Super Bowl team.

Now the Rams would have something to say about that, though. I mean, the Rams are the other team in the NFC that look great. I just think, you know, we talked about Jordan Love against the Blitz. We talked about Jordan Love in Toyotathon, which started, I guess, last week. December. Both things kind of came true. They tried to blitz him. They tried to blitz him.

9 of 12 for 171, 3 touchdown 0, interceptions against the blitz of 156 rating. And then, you know, as far as Toyota Thon is concerned, you saw some of those throws. I thought last week he did a great job on Thanksgiving, which seems like a long time ago. That was last week, right? Golly, that feels like a long time ago. They did a great job of getting into the looks that they wanted to get into and getting the mashups that they wanted to get into. I thought Jordan Love checked him in some successful runs. And then in this game, you know, resetting the protection,

seeing Blitz, getting the Christian Watson matchup on Byrd, seeing man coverage off his back foot, and then checked him into the RPO against man coverage again to Watson. Just adult quarterback play. After that bad pick, Ben Solac said it, and he said it best. He was like, dude, and I'm paraphrasing, he was like, he might not always throw picks, but when he does, he does it all the way.

like I don't always shit my pants, but when I do, I'm shitting my pants like down my leg in public. Like that's what Jordan Love's all about, dude. And that first pick was terrible. I watched it and trying to figure out, like, was he hiding on the logo? It was third and 18. Did he just, he kind of took a guess in, you know, playing the high, low game. And it was a terrible guess. But after that, the guy just told him, and they didn't pay for it, which is, I mean, obviously, if Chicago goes back and scores, like, you're looking at Jordan Love like you affect the outcome of the game.

Luckily, the defense played really well. You know, the return of Jaden Reed's big, sight for sore eyes. If you're a Green Bay fan, what it's become makes them, like, they were anemic underneath, in my opinion, without him. Like the man beaters, the underneath stuff, the gadget plays. They didn't really have a guy for that. And, you know, I think everybody's looking at Watson and they should because I think Watson and transforms what they do. But Jaden Reed's going to be the big difference maker for them.

And then Josh Jacobs being the closer, man. Like I talked about this last night. Think about a guy who ran not only inside in Vegas. So, you know, it's easier to tackle a guy when it's room temp out. It's damn near zero degrees. And he's playing meaningful football in December. Like, you got to be happy for this dude. I thought that last drive, it was tough sled.

And I'd like to see the loaded box count. I think they ran into some tough looks during the game. but late in the fourth quarter when they needed him it's knotted up they got to go score there's eight minutes to go and it'd be ideal if you run it down so you know you need the run game they've been scoring fast with explosives i thought you talk about hidden yardage that swing pass out to him at like the 34 and the weather's not great so you don't want to be kicking you don't want to give them the ball back with like five minutes ago they swing it out to jacobs jacobs misses makes two guys miss it would have been third and nine probably and that's a big day

down with a lot of pressure on your quarterback. He's able to make it third and two. So little hidden yards like that that he picked up and then leaving them in a pile of bodies, there's a still shot of four bears surrounding him all trying to tackle him. They end up in a pile on the dive pitch. Just a great last drive for him. I think if the bears want to compete in this matchup, and yes, they're already competing, but if they want to win this matchup, they're going to have to manufacture some pass rush. And they tried with the blitz last night. I think the only honest way to do it is bringing in better personnel. I mean, you start thinking about like year to year, hey,

and I'm not saying the Bears can't win in a couple weeks, or the Bears can't win a playoff game or yada, yada, yada, but what I'm saying is if you want to consistently beat Green Bay, you cannot blitz them to do that. You have to beat them with four rushers, and they don't have that right now, so that's a concern for me, but just a great football game. We can talk about Caleb.

We can talk about the Chicago offense, but I really do think the story was the way this in crunch time, the way this Green Bay offense looked. Yeah, I agree with Chris. I do want to mention one quick thing that I liked that the Ben Johnson, the Bears offense was doing. Just all to move the pocket stuff with Caleb, he looks so much comfortable on the, you know, the play action boots and, you know, picking up first downs with his feet, avoiding, you know, that pressure from Michael Parsons and the Green Bay defense. I love the Green Bay defense.

I think they're great. but you got to slow him down. And in the play action, the boots, getting, you know, there was, I can't remember which tight end he hit when he kind of rolled away from pressure. And then like on the right side line, I think it was commit maybe. But that was just, that was a beautiful ball, man. And obviously, like, he was a little spotty at times during this game. The way it ended is not the way he wanted.

But it's just fun to see him kind of, you know, develop in Ben Johnson's offense. And then just shout out to Ben Johnson for, really good. I think there was something like 61% like move the pocket plays, boots, play actions, things like that. I just think that's a really smart way to neutralize Green Bay's pass rush. Yeah, so

not a lot of true dropbacks. And if you got Caleb, you want to move them off the spot. I think last night in the second half, that first drive was a thing of beauty. The ball he threw to Loveland, the ball he threw to Zakeas, rolling right, like, and, you know, on some of these pressures, I thought on third, what it came down to

for me was the third downs. like Green Bay couldn't get off the field when it was third and short. I think they were like 75% on third and four or less. On third and five or longer, I think they were 22%. So it's one of those things where, you know, the game within the game was can Green Bay get enough stops on first and second down to make a third and long? And in the second half, that wasn't the case. I thought they came out and did a great job, but kind of playing cat and mouse with Evan Williams, who was kind of late rotating down to the box. You know, they'd motion. He'd rotate down. They'd cut off him. You know, at one point it's so frustrating to be the edge pressure guy and it felt like

halfly was trying to create more pressure on first and second down when you play Caleb Williams his exit strategies are really unique you know Michael won inside and he steps into Micah to step away he kind of deadlegs him not a lot of guys can do that did that to Evan Williams on the on the on the edge and then another one Evan Williams blows up swift and and it's Caleb and Evan Williams and he somehow gets out and I think that's the Loveland play. So you can really see how much more Ben Johnson's going to be able to accomplish if this guy can get the accuracy of his throws down. He makes some like wow plays. And that's why I'm in on the guy. But just just doing the little things right, which I think he's

working diligently to do and we'll see like a year three jump. He got a lot out of Jericho in Detroit. They can get more out of Caleb Williams. And that's a wild thing to say. It really is because I think the world of Jared Goff, but Caleb Williams, the different launch points just alone controls a rush. You know, look at how it looked when Detroit had to play that group. Another thing is the interior three did a really good job. You know, at times in pass rush, they're going to lose, but they were moving people on doubles. And this was a physical football game. The Cooper hit, the Munungai Cooper hit, bro, was unreal. They lined each other up in the hole and both had like four yards and when they hit each other is the craziest thing they both went down but not all the way

down and then they both got up and met three yards later on a tackle for no gain it was like just a heavyweight fight out there and i think cooper and uh menung guy left some some of their life force on the field yesterday dude that was just a fucking fist fight definitely left some helmet paint oh such a physical game but the toyotathon thing man you see all these stats online like He's up to during Toyotathon 4,200 yards, 36 tuds, only a couple picks. Here's the problem for the Packers. Per the internet, Toyotathon ends the first week of January. So I wanted to put this thought exercise out there, see what you guys think about this.

I wonder if there's like a reverse NIL situation the Packers could do where the Packers franchise pays Toyota to extend it through mid-February. Can you extend your lease? I'm smart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So why don't you just do that with Toyotathon? That's what they should do. Yeah, they should run it through Feb.

Through mid-February. It'd be really smart. Because I want to hear it right now, you're going to stop first week of January, and then, you know. It's a great truck. They make a great truck. I drive one. I just got us here safe in the snow. It's a great truck.

Yeah, we got us here safe in the snow. But the end of the game. My only thing is this, Ben Johnson. Okay. at that point what is it uh third and one with a minute to go they start with like three and a half minutes or something and and i i had like i had the mortgage on on the packers as you guys knew and so listen i'm not in a bad mood because i lost money yesterday that's not it i didn't lose any money it's uh i walk in and uh i had gone to see my kids in the third quarter and i felt like it was

bad luck i sat with my kids and watched the third quarter and the bears were just slicing dice I had to run back up to the man cave, watch with y'all boys, and it came down to the fact that, you know, like, they're running the ball. And I'm thinking to myself, this is going to end on a two-point conversion. It's going to end on a two-point conversion. Chicago's going to score, and they're intentionally juicing this thing. They're on like the 14th. So if they pick up a first down in that situation, the Packers are fucked. I think they're fucked.

And it comes down to Inigbari making a play on third down. And I agree with the call. because if he doesn't make that play where he folds, he actually folds over the two interior players, which is really heady play. If he doesn't make that play, it's a touchdown, probably. Yeah. Which is not the worst outcome because you still got a minute left in the game,

but it's a bad outcome. Okay. My question for Ben Johnson is, with everything I just said about third and four, fourth and one, fourth and short, like the naked bootlegs, everything you've had, why are you not running the football? Like, I know it's hindsight,

it's 20-20 and you want to put the ball on your best player's hand. And Caleb Williams is a great player. But he wasn't ready for that moment because he's got to let that ball go when he gets to the hash on fourth and one. He's late by 15 feet. You know what I'm saying?

And I know a lot of people are looking at DJ Moore and they're saying, hey, you've got to hit DJ more. I think you've got to hit the tight end. Yeah. He's open. It's a timing issue. And he gives Nixon time to sluff off and make that play. By the way, Nixon's an absolute dog.

He played his ass off yesterday. Another thing I want to point out is Micah Parsons in the run game, pretty good. He played his ass off. I know that that's a thing people talk about a lot, but that's not really a thing. He played his ass off in the run game. So a big win for the Packers. Another thing just to mention with this, I know people are talking about DJ Moore. Hey, what if he had thrown to DJ Moore?

This is where this is screenshoted right here, this play. This is just about when he releases the football and DJ Moore is covered by five players. you have to you this throw like to throw DJ more open is insanely more difficult than anything else that you know you can there's a lot of bodies in there and the TV copy doesn't exactly paint a picture of how crowded it is and the timing that you need and also like this is late in the down he's already he already should have thrown that ball to the tight end yeah that's a touchdown right I mean it's the it is the right call again and usually I do this with coach where I say even if it didn't work it was the right call but you know we've been working all day

getting a double down on these guys inside and fucking and yeah I mean they're running the football so I don't know I think Ben got a little cute and the handshake was not cute the handshake was funny as hell because if you looked at that handshake Ben Johnson firmly kind of planted his feet and slowed down expecting like probably intending to be like hey man a lot of respect for you or something like that oh no not after you know you can't expect that after you pop already who right i think that's what body language tells me he was slowing down to give him his respect but you can't expect that after going in your first press confident being like yeah i'm not saying he expected it like to be to be beating him i'm not saying he expected it not the point i'm

making i'm just saying he walked up thinking he might get a chance to do that that's great and leflore just didn't break stride dude lefleur kept fucking wall So this thing's going to be. These two teams play again in 12 days, Saturday, December 20th in Chicago. Oof. Hopefully some snow. Hopefully. That's a great start to the rivalry.

Yeah, for those two. For sure. More of that. That was my favorite football game to watch yesterday, unless I'm forgetting something. I mean, the Broncos played the Raiders. It was pretty fun. Yes. That was a blast.

And I know. And the next game's great. Bill's Bengals. We've got to talk about it. And we'll hear it. we'll hear about it right after. Oh, we hear from BetMGM. Oh, from BetMGM.

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Bangle in the snow. Just an incredible football game. Just an incredible football game. I who's better I mean Drake may's not playing in the game Drake may's been better this year but but who like who of the traditional quarterbacks are better than these guys Stafford Stafford Stafford's played better one he's been better but I'll tell you what Josh doesn't have in in Buffalo is is Puka and and McVeigh and Devonte Adams and

you know he's got he's got a lot working for him but i just thought in this game you know this was a moment of excellence from the bill's offense and and from joe brady i thought they found a way in this game you talk about tight ends it's not too hard when you play cincinnati and you look at their defense and you say hey they've they've given up like a bajillion yards to tight ends on the season like let's just get the ball to our best players it just so happens that we got kinkie back and he's like i mean it's a sight for sore eyes but they also did a great of kind of managing the game, especially for falling down 14 to 3. That was not part of the script for them.

And you heard me talk about this Bengals offense. I thought it was going to take 40 points to win this game, 35, 40 points to win this game. And it took all of it. And, you know, for the bills, like, they've gotten pretty good at winning these high-scoring games. Even with the people that they have around me, think about the Tampa Bay game. That's not the concern. The concern I have is the games where they don't have much going because they're outmatch. outside like a Houston game, you know, like earlier this season or like a New England game

where the pressure is getting to Josh, you know, when Buffalo plays teams that don't have pass rush, even if it's in the snow, I feel like they're going to shred that team. Like if you look at at Buffalo, the biggest predictor, you know, is do you have pass rush because it's going to speed them up and they don't have the guys outside that can that can win in fractions of the time. But on a day like today, they were able to just get it done. And I think a lot of it was, hey, four, fourth and four at midfield down 14 to three that game could go totally different at that point because you find yourself down and i said coming in probably want to keep play keep away right that would be the best game script for buffalo that didn't work out 14 to 3 if you don't get this

you're fucked you hit Gabe davis on the sideline and i think it was a fourth down in the low red to uh to Shakir and that was a that was that was winning football dude that was championship level football right there from a quarterback and a receiver they were playing one-on-one he cut night cybern like the ball was like the ball was like on his ear dude i mean and they're just playing one-on-one so you get that excellence you know both these guys are throwing through the snow i thought joe looked great for most of the game um both these quarterbacks missed the thrower too but what do you expect um it was a lot of fun but but that fourth quarter 21 points four and a half five and a half minutes whatever was insane. My face said it all. I've never seen a swing like that in a football game. It was just crazy.

And Benford, just probably one of the most underrated players in league. No doubt. The defense he's on, you kind of are like, well, they don't have any great players. They do have a great player in Benford. He's probably their best player, I'd say, at this stage in his career. And he held chase to, you know, what, 40 yards or something like that? Something like that. I heard a lot of people talking if you can keep him under 100. you know i in the snow helps and the you know i think also cincinnati used them as a decoy some and higgins factored in the game plan more why wouldn't he i'll go at the rookie right i'll go at somebody else it's a smart thing to do all they have to do in this game is not make that back

breaking mistake at the end of the football game and that's what kills me for perho because they have been so close and over the last two years it is undeniable that if that team got in the playoffs their fucking nightmare to deal with um but because of you know injuries and injuries and yada yada yada and close games and inventing this is a new way to lose a football game we said last year they invented a lot of new new ways to lose football games you know they found another so they found a different one and i just thought josh allen the the play to go up two scores late where they where he pumps carter on the on the on the crosser he's never going to throw that ball those linebackers they're so young i think they have chances to be good players in censey

but they're just outmatched in a game like that and uh god it ends up being uh it's all about the money downs for buffalo yeah for sure and i think if the bill's defense isn't going to be a great unit on a down-to-down basis what they're going to need to do down the stretch here is do what they did yesterday capitalize on opportunities take the ball away especially in big moments high leverage moments in games. Obviously, you mentioned the Bedford Pick Six, and the next play is the tip drill, interception Phillips to Epinessa.

So they made some big plays down the stretch defensively. And you mentioned Kincaid, Chris, I think having him back, you can tell, it almost looks like Josh looks more settled out there, and you can tell how much of the passing game is designed through him when he's not on the field. It's kind of like it's similar

to the effect that Jaden Reed had in Green Bay with when you get that guy back, the biggest piece in your passing game. It allows all the other offensive pieces to kind of slide back into their natural role, into the design of the offense, and then you're able to dictate

matchups like Reed was with Watson, and then in this game, you know, they're just like little moments where, you know, you see them trust Keon Coleman in a big spot. Right. Where, you know, I don't know if they're doing that a couple weeks ago when Kincaid's out of the lineup.

So he's a big, big piece of what they're trying to do. Listen, I think for Buffalo, it's as simple as, and they've got a tough schedule down the stretch. I don't think they win the East. I don't. I think they beat the Pats next week, respectfully. And I, you know, obviously been wrong before, was wrong yesterday about a big game, Nate.

But I think... That's in New England, right? Yeah, it's in New England. I'm a little worried about that one for the bills, man. I mean, I feel like if the, you know, Drake Bayne, the Patriots can win that game at home, I feel like it's almost, you know, changing in the guard a little bit.

It's, hey, got a new situation here in New England and Josh Allen. Drake May is now the AFC East guy. Okay. I don't know. I'm a little worried about that one. I just look at it this way. And by the way, Buffalo was favored last night. I'm just worried about the bill's defense.

I am too, obviously. You're always worried about the bill's defense. And I think that's the big problem. I think they win the game and still lose the division. Because if you look at. they're scheduled down the stretch, New England's. They're going to finish strong Buffalo. You know, if they win out, you never know,

but they need help. Bills are currently favored by a point on the road in New England. Which is a little fishy for a lot of people. I think a lot of people are like you two. They think the Pats are going to win this game. I thought for me, it's coming off a biweek, getting healthier. I don't know.

Yeah, I want the bills to win. I just think the Patriots, well, I think it's going to come down to maybe Josh Allen, his legs, how many, like, yards and he can help out in the marching game because which he did yesterday. New England. Yeah, exactly. Because New England, their rush defense is the best in the league, one of the best in the leagues in Holden.

And if they can't get Cook going, like, I mean, that's really the igniter of their offense usually to get a lot of things going and open up everything for Josh Allen is if Cook is having a pretty decent game and getting some big runs. So if they can find a way to get that going, I feel like that's going. And I feel like that's going to help their chances a lot. But the past's just been really good and been stingy on stopping that run defense the whole year. I mean, the running attack. So it's going to be interesting.

I thought Josh played poorly in that first game. I just, you know, I bank on a rebound. They had a bunch of turnovers. They turned the fucking ball over. It's just, it's going to be a great game. Suffice to say, it's going to be a great game. But the point is, I think New England, Wednesday,

East. I think Buffalo, when you look at their, their situation, outside of New England, in the AFC, who are you afraid of playing now? Because remember early in the season,

one of the concerns was Houston can run the football, or Indy can run the football. It doesn't matter. They're probably not going to be in the playoffs now. Houston, like we said, can beat anybody.

That should be everybody's bugaboo. I don't know if, I don't, I think Buffalo could beat Denver, respectfully, Reed. That's fine. We talked about it last night. That Denver's coming back down to Earth. No, they're great.

They win a lot of close games. They're fucking, they're fabulous. But I can't help but wait the quarterback. And he all of a sudden is going to be in a room with a bunch of quarterbacks that. Bo Nix, good quarterback, right? Drake May, phenomenal this year. Best quarterback maybe in the league outside of Matt Stafford. You know, depending on what you think.

You're right. But he's young. haven't seen them in playoffs yet Trevor Lawrence Hall of Fame we'll get to the next one Aaron Rocker older Hall of Famer I still haven't heard Patrick Mahomes's name

that's the point like all of a sudden I think the Steelers is the only team the Steelers might be the only team in the AFC outside of the ones you mention the Patriots, the Bills and the Texans that are a little scary headed to the playoffs and it's only because it's only lately it's only because

it feels like Aaron Rogers has been connecting with at least yesterday with DK McHaff on deep shots. And it feels like a little bit of a sleeping giant almost. But other than that, Chris, I'm to your point. Like I'm not fucking caping for the Steelers before we all jumped on my throat. I just think it's the only team just with some of the talent they have with, you know, Aaron Rogers, the experience he has.

Somebody said Houston is like DK McHaff. That's the only team that in the AFC is a little scary down the stretch. But I'm not, I'm not a Steelers. This is funny as fucks. Mello with the dot said Houston would literally send Rogers to retirement home. Like, you know the memes that you keep seeing in this base when it gets hit? Like Houston, God forbid, Houston gets a home game for some reason, which I don't think that's going to happen. But like, that's the thing for Houston.

What was so big about their win was they did it on the road. They've been like another level at home. So as we kind of look at this last night, I drew this up and kind of figured, okay, let's say I think Jacksonville wins the division, right? Let's because I did this whole exercise last night. I think Chargers in. I think Houston in and we also looked at enhanced go down the list

a little bit I can't remember who the third team was I think Miami's schedule is too tough we'll get there in a second Kansas City or Baltimore and if you're Buffalo you just root like hell for Baltimore to make the playoffs over Kansas City or maybe it's indie I don't know but the two teams

I feel really good about are Houston and the Chargers obviously tonight can change a lot of things for the charges depending on how it goes but the way I look at it is like Buffalo all of a sudden you look around the room and you're like damn it looks a lot different in this room this year and I don't think we're that much worse than we were last year the defense is fucking streaky dog shit but streaky dog shit like sometimes they'll play good yeah what if they're on the grow up quick Maxwell harrison yeah exactly hey

uh the fucking uh was it um shack Thompson yep he's good for them like a ball like a ball if they can just work on Sanders taking reps at end a little bit more like it's a puzzle for them they need all 17 weeks to figure it out so we'll see Steelers Ravens I'm sorry this is kind of the way it goes I was on with corporate this morning for a good while and I didn't see this game so y'all this is what was bow is all over this game yeah watch a good amount of it I think there was a lot of very interesting things that happen this game. Okay, first of all, Lamar Jackson, we've talked about this a couple weeks in around now.

Like, he does not look healthy. We just went over all the AFC teams down the stretch. Who's scary? The Ravens are not one of them for me. I think, you know, let's just let me start off talking about the Steelers offensively. They won the game, 27 to 22. Aaron Rogers, I thought he played pretty well, 23 or 34, 24, 284 yards, one touchdown. Also, he was not sacked at all.

And we've talked about, you know, Kyle Hamilton and how he's, you know, been essentially an edge in the box defender for the Ravens and how that's really helped them. Other than that, like, they don't really have any guys who, you know, who are blue-chip guys on their defensive front seven, in my opinion. So that was a little bit of an issue. There's a lot of funky shit that happened in this game, especially down the stretch. But I don't know. Like I don't really know how to feel about the Steelers. Obviously, I just said that they can be at times scary. They can also be at times like what you said about the Bill's defense.

Just fucking dog shit. Like their defense is the most expensive defense in the NFL. And they gave up 22 points to Baltimore Ravens team that like they don't really have an offensive identity. You know, Lamar Jackson banged up, like I said. And then Derek Henry hasn't been the same, you know, producer offensively as he has at other points in his career. So it's good to see, you know, the Steelers and Mike Tomlin go seven and six. But this was, I mean, this was a little bit of a dogfight. I'm trying to think there was some other funny shit in this game that I wanted to talk about.

There was an interesting situation where I think it was towards the end of the game. Aaron Rodgers threw a pass. I got batted and then ended up catching it himself. And he became like the oldest pass catcher, I think since like, who was it? Like Jerry Rice or something like that. He caught his own pass, but it was kind of a contentious. Like, was it a pick? Did he catch it? So that was the whole thing.

And then the big thing was there was a likely touchdown at the end of the game. I'm not going to lie to guys, I'd switched off at this point. But I watched this like five times. And I don't understand how this wasn't a touchdown. Did anybody else see this? Can we discuss this a little bit? Because I think this is one of those Des Bryant, like did catch it type situations. And you saw Harbaugh freaking out on the sideline about this.

And I truly don't understand. It was one where he caught it like kind of away from his body. The defender made it took like three steps, but he didn't make a football move. And then the defender punched a ball. But to me, it's like he clearly secured the catch in the end zone with, you know, he took like three steps. So brighter minds than me are going to have to tell me why this wasn't an interception. Because that one was really befuddling. I thought the ruling was he took two steps, which is why they overturned it before Porter punched the ball out.

But it is really interesting. And I think with the reason being, you have to get that third step. But it's so interesting because, like, let's say that play happens at the sideline or in the back of the end. And if he gets two steps down. It's a touchdown. But I think it's the whole thing of, like, surviving the process of the catch. Can we put a fan in the show? Sure.

How do we do that? Oh, send him away. No, I was fucking. Somebody's like, I like this mellow with the doc guy. He's like, he goes, damn, y'all let me on the show. I watched this whole game. One of these days we'll let you on the show. One of these days we'll let you on the show.

Give a super easy. We should do a thing where we just get a fan on the show sometimes. Tell us what happened. Because, you know, this game. Let me ask you this. And maybe you guys already said it. But is something wrong with Lamar besides the injuries? It seems.

You mean like mentally, spiritual? No, I'm not saying. Well, I'm sure mentally and spiritually. The team's not great right now. Supposedly on Reddit, he doesn't like horrible. He wants a new coach. Well, I want a new coach for Lamar, too. But it's only because I'm tired of seeing...

I'm just tired of seeing the way this team. Like, usually they look fantastic in the regular season and then look like this team in the postseason. Right. They look south of both those things, and they've looked that way all season. I mean, they had the little five-game win streak or whatever it was where they got on the right track.

But I just, man, I think you're kind of at a cross- I think you're at a crossroads, man. Organizational, that's a tough deal. Could this be the end of this Ravens iteration? There's some big need to change this offseason? Here's what I want to make sure. I want to make sure that Lamar is not getting his legs taken from him, you know, like, you know, mid-late in his career. He's 28, 29 years old. Like, he's not old yet. But like for a guy that was that electric a year ago, and this could just be one thing. And I've been on this thing all year where it's like even the beginning of the year before he was hurt hurt i was like bro why is no was no was he down in the open field dude i'm like just you know and now it's the injuries it's the

whole thing but like they have to figure out a way that they can run an offense where they don't need him to take off every third play or extend a play for the longest time and part of that's about the weapons you have part about part of that's the way you run your offense but it also takes away from the run game the the the running back the traditional run game. You know, when when Derek Henry got there, everybody was like, oh, yeah, he's the reason. And he was a lot of the reason. But it's also Lamar and the fact that you always have to defend the quarterback in the run game. And now, we've said this, they're just teams are not as, they're comfortable letting him take the ball and keep it. Like, or scramble with the football.

Like, hurt me. You can't anymore. And I don't know if it's in anymore or just this year thing. I think next year, obviously, I'm going to be waiting to see what he looks like fresh in September. But so far this year, he just hasn't looked like the same guy, and I hate that for him. I think that's exactly. I like to answer your question. I don't think we'll know the answer to that question until September of next year. We'll see how he comes out. And if he's not moving like he was last season, then I think those conversations really pick up.

We're getting an airplane here? Real fast with that touchdown, the pool report, John Harbaugh said their explanation that he got on the touchdown being overturned after replays. was that a third foot didn't get down before the ball came out. The officials are the ones who are the experts on the rules. So that's how that works. What is a catch? This is the latest moment in the, you know, like the long history of what is a catch? Because I don't know what people thought because I saw this highlight as we were watching the other games.

And I was like, catch in slow motion. What do y'all think? We thought catch. Catch. I think catch, yeah. I thought catch. Yeah. Two-step.

plays dead yeah yeah and it's tough for likely can you guys probably point this out but the fucking you know last week yeah fumble at the goal on so and he's a free agent yeah did you see the last play the game what supposedly Lamar was throwing to the back of the end zone and for whatever reason mark andrews crossed by and maybe thought it was for him damn and he got his hands up on it and it just it looks like from certain angles if he didn't catch that ball that maybe it would have got through the D-Hop in the back of the end zone. So that's another, that's something that's tough to see. And then having.

I just think they're cursed this year. Exactly. Having so many games like that where you look back and you're like, dang, if this one thing might have went different, we'd probably have won this game. But you're starting to realize more and more, I mean, the more football you watch, a lot of games are decided like that. Yeah. And like a team like the Chiefs, one year, you're on the right side of all these

games like this and then another year you're on the wrong side of all these games like that and it's just the difference of hey winning a few games lucky or unlucky or whatever it just feels like more of a systemic problem in Baltimore where like in in kansas city it's like they're not executing yeah you know like they're just missing or they got this bad penalty like Baltimore the fucking guard can't block anybody dude for lay lay he's like the biggest like meme right now online no and the offensive line's been terrible right but so has so the offensive line was up and down in kansas city this year you know because of injuries but this is your starting guys dude and then on top of it like there's just not those moments you know in kansas city you still get

those moments where you're like oh my god that's patrick fucking my homes dude i've just haven't seen any of those moments with lamar this year with as much frequency right what if tomlin at the end of the year What if Tomlin goes to the Ravens and Harbaugh goes to the Steelers? It'd be Spider-Man because for the longest time, did you see this? Yeah, they've, they're like... 15 wins, 15 wins. That's what I'm saying. Are you saying like a trade situation or they're both fired?

They're both fired. It's really like trading... What's a TV show where you trade wives? Yeah. What's that TV show? Trading spouses. Trading places or not trade places. Trading or something like that.

What is the fucking... it's one of those wife swap it's yeah but it's not like a dirty video no no it's not wife swap it's not you have me on here

like down a rabbit hole dude another trading spouse trading is that the name of the show yep they had to be so careful about the way they named the show but bro another

borrowing each other's wise for domestic situations excluding sex on NBC another amazing did they fuck the other what would go ahead Another Dave

Hopefully. That's amazing. They do what trading spouses skit. He does. Yeah. This thing and it's so funny. Well, dude, I feel like it's that because eventually what you realize, oh, yeah. That's fucking fantastic.

That's a skit I don't remember. Oh, man. We'll watch. Yeah, we might need to cue it up right after the show. You'll die laughing. It's so great. It's so great. The full name of the real show is trading.

Spouses, meet your new mommy. Come on. Maybe I have it. It's the full name of the reality show from the Fox Broadcasting Company. Yeah. So if they traded coaches, like, I mean, I'm just saying, if you, if you own a team, it's just like, hey, like, these coaches have pretty good resume. Yeah.

And if you're out there unsure about picking someone else. I want to see Brian Flores get a fucking job. True. And he was already in Pittsburgh and they love him there. you know we don't want to go ahead and like fire these coaches right now but I'm saying like if we're living in hypothetical land because I did this last week where I said like hey it could be all four of these coaches in division there is a situation that you know and I hate to be like when the last one gets fired yeah run that social but I will you know because that's tough one month from now you know man read run that social What if all the teams got together in that division, and like you're saying, trade coaches, and they have like a, okay, hey, we're the Steelers,

we want Harbaugh, okay, we'll go, and then we'll go, the Ravens want Zach Taylor, Oval Swap. It'll be like a Texas high school playoff situation. They meet at a gas station. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Meet at Sonobo. Steve Biscotti shows up and like breaks Zach Taylor's hand. He's like, all right, come on, bud.

Come on. Does anyone want Zach Taylor, though? I mean, that's kind of my question. I'm trying to figure out what is it you do here, bro, because you have two of the best receivers on the planet and one of the best quarterbacks on the planet. Your defense is just like continually dog shit. And the offensive line's been a thing for it.

So really, whatever the all world players don't have, you can't do anything outside of that. That's kind of like when I look at the Bengals, I'm like, damn, not to be reductive. But the guys annoyed me for a while a little bit. I just got to be honest. Mello with the dot said, I'd take Tomlin in a heartbeat over Harbaugh,

but if I wind up with Zach Taylor, I'll quit watching. Yeah, dude. If you gave Zach Taylor the Steelers roster, he'd be like, I don't know what, do with this. You know? Do something. I don't know what to do with this.

The defensive pieces are better than what I'm used to, but all right, so we're flying. We're flying and speaking of that division, we had a little Browns action yesterday, the Cleveland Browns and the Tennessee Titans. Man, that was fun. Two young quarterbacks. I thought the tank off. It's the tank off.

Listen, I know that we're, where do you want me to start? I'll let you guys ask me where I should start because I feel like people judge you off where you're starting to break down. I mean, let's start backwards. Let's start at the most controversial to the least controversy. And the first controversial point is if your rookie quarterback can drive you down the field at the end of the game to get you within two with under a minute to go in the game, does he deserve to be the one to run the two-point conversion to tie the play? So I kind of wrote my notes out on this thing because I think it's an interesting topic. Okay, first half, honestly, looking back, I thought was a little rough.

Honestly, just being totally honest. And I thought Shador played his best game. I thought he, and the reason I thought he played his best game is the top end throws he made. Not the consistency. I still think he's lacking the consistency. Even when you go back and watch this game, if you're being honest, if you're not the type of guy that the first thing you did when you woke up this morning was rushed to Twitter to tweet about Shador Sanders, you're probably like a,

an unbiased football fan. If you watched this game back, which I did, I did not see the consistency yet, like through four quarters until the game got late. But the top end throws were fantastic. And one of the things he did really well was throw the ball in the red zone. I thought the first touchdown was fantastic.

I think he had a Russian, you know, I thought hitting Fanon on the slot wheel versus man coverage. He made some great throws if you put him in like, hey, these five, seven throws, you can do this. You can be an NFL quarterback. You can be an NFL quarterback, right? There were moments in the game

where I thought he was a little inconsistent. But having said all that, I thought they'd let him throw in the red zone maybe once this year. I don't think they'd let him throw at all. And I know we talk a lot about practice, right? Hadn't had the practice time, which is totally valid.

You could say before this game, hey, they're just making sure he doesn't trick off in the red zone right because red zone is the most important part of the field like i understand why through two games you're being ultra conservative but then once you see him make those plays in the red zone i do think he should be the guy with the ball on his hand but but i will say this because it has become such a a polarizing conversation where the coach can't just make the wrong fucking call he has to like want chador dead like that's what people are saying right he might just be an idiot. He might just be the thousand big brain idiot I've ever seen coach offensive football

because the call, to be honest, as dog shit as it went, there was something there if Judkins pitches the ball to the reverse. Yeah. He did not. So the way that play goes is there's a dump to the eligible tackle. That thing's bogged down and then you get the reverse behind it. That guy walks in and scores. For my issue. No, no, no, no, I know. Go ahead. It's just that if he doesn't pitch it, it makes me think that like maybe they didn't practice that as that's my that that and that's my issue okay and that's my issue with it's like if we didn't practice this this week or fucking friday so that people don't think i left that out oh no yeah no no i think they for sure practice that dude it's you're you're trying to time the game up with a two point conversion like dude

in most situations that is your best play call like that is the number that thing is circled on your call sheet 100 percent they've that that that that's that that's that's that that's that's you're That's my take on it. Seems like something they maybe practiced like three weeks ago. That's the point. The point is because when they've run Wildcat, I just want to give you guys some information. And this is how NFL, no, no, this is how NFL coaches think.

I'm just depending on how analytically driven or whatever, even if you're not analytically inclined, Cleveland's Wildcat report, I went and watched every Wildcat snap on the season to see if they were bad at it or if they were doing it, you know, more so lately. And they have done it more so lately. But I think there are six snaps in the low red this year in Wildcat that they took. Miami, they did it three times.

Miami, two-yard gain, Miami-four-yard touchdown. Miami-two-yard touchdown. Vegas, eight-yard touchdown. Vegas, two-yard touchdown. San Francisco game. One-yard touchdown. Those are the six red zone plays. They scored five fucking touchdowns on the plays.

So you have to wonder if in the building, there's almost a running joke about, like, We're running Wildcat better than anybody all time. And so what's your best play on a two-point situation? They're not the only people that have ever run a Wildcat on a two-point situation. And I'm not saying I agree with it. I'd have put 12 on the field and let them make a throw because of, if you woke up yesterday and you were like, hey, what's our game playing at a two-point conversion? Well, it's Wildcat.

It's our best play in the low red. You can't argue with it. Literally you can't argue with it. I watched them all. Okay. But once that fourth quarter comes along and you've seen Shador make that throw, And you've seen Shador run it in for a touchdown. Even if he fumbled a snap.

Here's fucking Kevin Stefansky is so frustrating for me because just as a guy, man, say you don't hate Shador and you're tired of hearing about it. And it's made you hate Shador. Give him the fucking ball and let him sink or swim and you can wash your hands of the situation. Chances are people would still complain about the call if it doesn't go in the end zone. but but just give him the ball dude because you've seen what you needed to see from the moment you woke up today and it was the right call in two-point aversion which i won't argue with to the end of the game where you've seen what you need to see let the kid make the throw that's all and then there's the other thing where he just might be tanking exactly and it ain't the first time

but here's my i have been on teams that we're tanking but look so do not tell me teams don't tank but here's my thing with that play also that makes me frustrated about it is that these Wildcat plays that they're usually running or playing or are doing they're meant for Junkins like don't tell me you're running that play and even if you are going to do Wildcat you're running the play where you're getting the ball out of Junkins's hand. Yes. Because like that's what everyone's saying is that Junkins was supposed to pitch that ball so you mean to tell me you ran. They got too cute. A two point convert But the only thing is they ran one earlier, and I just think it's an interesting conversation. Some people might be like, damn, like have a take or like whatever, but this isn't ESPN.

Like, they ran a wildcat earlier and Jeffrey Simmons blew it up. Yeah. So like I don't know if they come in. And like I said, synopsis, Kevin Stavancy wakes up this morning. Yesterday morning he probably thinks, hey, two-point conversion, we're doing our best play. And I'm not going to argue with him. Things change during the game. Number one, Shador's made some plays in the low red.

number two, Jeffrey Simmons just fucking, he feasted on your carcass when you tried to run a fucking two-point conversion or a Wildcat player earlier. Are game-planeted different? Leave your door on the field for the Wildcat. Put him in the slot. Yeah, put him in the slot. Do something. Put him in the slot or something.

No, I'm with you. But that's the craziest thing to me is that Kevin Stefanski just didn't take the easy way out. Yes. The easy way out would have been just give the kid the ball. And if he doesn't make the play and you hate him, then you're right. If he makes the play, you look smart and people get off your fucking back. Or, but honestly. You're in trouble in house because you're supposed to tank.

And that's where I think. And a lot of times is Occam's Razor. And Occam's Razor is one of two things. Occam's Razor is a term that like it might sound like you're just trying to throw out a cool. But it is like the most obvious possible culprit is what it is. And it's quicker to say, Occam's raising that. Like, these motherfuckers don't know I'm supposed to tank. Right.

And they're yelling at me. And they're saying, I hate this kid. but I can't do it. Right. I'm going to lose my job. Exactly. For real. No, but that's it for me as,

Occam's razor is one of two things. They thought it was the best play or they're tanking. Like to think that, like, to me, I'm just still not sold on, you're going to tell me if yesterday is any indication of where this kid's going to go. And I do think it was a good step in the right direction for him. Well, I will hold off on the, you know, the gold jacket thing because I do that with all the rookies, right? Shuck has looked really good so far this year. I'm not sure if New Orleans wants him to be the guy or not.

He's a second round pick, okay? Fucking, I just want to take it for what it is, which is it's too bad football teams playing each other. One of them has one win, one of them has three wins, okay? Like, it's a good thing that Tennessee won the football game for Cleveland in the long run. And honestly, the best possible outcome was Shador looking good and losing the football game.

And they threw for 150 yards in the fourth quarter. Let's just be honest about like, hey, it was, his best game for the reasons I said. I thought he played his ass off was tough. I love the way he talked at the podium after the game. I think he's acted like a fucking adult the last few weeks through all this turmoil. And I salute you Shador Sanders for acting like a fucking adult because the whole world is arguing about you, which is a fucked up deal. I want to let the kid play and develop. Now he's going to have some opportunity. Chicago, Buffalo against teams that are really, they have aspirations going to the playoffs. So these will be the test.

Pittsburgh, right? So I think it's going to be a lot of fun over the next couple weeks. But when I see a stat that says, he threw for three, or I see a tweet that says he threw for 300 yards, like he's the guy. I did this last night. Can you pull up the list of rookie at stat muse? Can you pull up the list of rookie QBs that have thrown for 300 yards? There are some amazing names in there, and there are also some names that didn't quite end up being the guy. So to be fair to the kid can we just take a one week at a time and to be fair to fucking Cam Ward

the guy is under siege I think he should have been the number one pick and this is someone literally throwing people on the ground trying to survive sacks like ripping the ball down field that two play sequence was was emblematic of the whole game and then the

video is a him and Shador when they're training and they're messing around and she was trying to make them fumble yeah and it honestly looks exactly like would happen if what he did to number nine in that game with keeping him off that has to feel that has to feel bad seeing that seeing that play on and off on and on on TV and then thinking that really in the moment like I'm going to get a sack that's the craziest thing I'm about to get a sack and it's like nah this quarterback just slammed me and got the ball still got the pass off the things

he got to avoid he's just got to avoid the the longer down sacks I mean we talked about this last night 3.57 time to throw. That's the second longest on the season for any quarterback. Okay. And it was 64% pressure rate or whatever it was like those are not, you know, and to be fair to him, and this is me just being fair and balanced, no Fox News, but like I just should door throwing the ball in 3.57 seconds, it can't be, it's not a gotcha. Like, because he held the ball on two, three plays for eight seconds, right? It's part of his game. Sometimes he wants to extend other quarterbacks. do it but when you look at 3.5 seven seconds to throw like that's got to speed up because that won't

be good enough against some of these teams coming up but cam ward his time to throw was like two four because fucking they they had him in bubble wrap like I said like it was all rpeos I think maybe i can count on one hand the true drop back passes he threw with miles garret on the field by true drop back i mean no rPO no screen no play action move the pocket nothing like that just drop back and throw the ball i also think they did a really good job of chipping miles garret I think the most effective chip you have is not a back out of the backfield. It is a tight end in the way. The tight end detached a little bit so that as an end I have to get outside.

You know, and in my limited experience of getting a bunch of extra attention, that's a lot tougher. This guy, he has to deal with it every week. He's got answers for everything, but that's a tough way to go. And if you're blocking Miles Garrett, not for nothing, I would make sure I had a tight end, just to muddy things up for him and he has to line up outside him. Miles Garrett, only pressure of the day was that sack. And Cam Ward's time to throw 2.5.4. That was his fastest of the season.

So Dakota OT, and this is the problem with numbers and just, you know, and I'm about to do it right now. You got that stat muse thing. And this is just me being fair. Okay. Shador Sanders just joined Aaron Rogers as the only quarterback since 2000 with 450 plus yard completions in their first three career starts. Well, I'll see you in Canton.

you see what I'm saying like we just this stat thing and we all do it just watch the tape and we've got weeks left where we can diagnose if he should be part of the solution in Cleveland because so far he's looked better than anybody that they've had on the field right save for I think Joe Flacco is a better quarterback than Shador at this stage in his career and that's not disrespectful I think Joe Flacco is still Joe Flacko is putting up 40 points on on teams this year right but but I think it's a positive day for Shador Sanders. Pull up that list. Pull up that list. Okay.

So he joins the ranks of, you know, Bo Nix, Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, Michael Pennix Jr., C.J. Stroud. Wow. A bunch of times. Then you get names like Jake Browning, Will Levis, you know, Kenny Pickett, Bailey,

T-Law, Davis Mills. Like, so just be careful with the stat thing. I want to see, sustained play. I thought there were a lot of good things he did yesterday. Cam Ward didn't have a shot. And don't do the head-to-head thing with Cam Ward.

He's playing the Cleveland Browns defense. That's a motherfucker dude. Those guys are playing their asses off. He threw some passes that hit dudes right in the like beautiful throws. He's a gamer. I think they're both gamers, honestly. If Shador can speed up, if he can speed up, he can be an NFL quarterback. You got to speed up, though.

That's a non-negotiable. He did. The shot to Jerry Judy that went for a touch. down over the middle? Beautiful. Great throw. Beautiful. Great throw.

And he did do a good job of what was his issue in college. It was bailing back and taking sacks. What was his issue of the first kind of two games that he had? And he's gotten better. Right, exactly. He's gotten better at that. Exactly. That's what you want to see from a quarterback.

No more Wildcat next week. I don't think. I think the run on Wildcat has ended. And Shador Sanders has been named the start of the rest of the season. Shoulder Sanders, just keep doing what you're doing. Just be an adult when you're at the podium and fucking, take care of business like you know i know some people are like yeah you know like he he kind of stuck up for his coach yesterday and maybe the coach doesn't deserve it or what have you but like

that's kind of what franchise quarterbacks do whether you think that's like fake humble or whatever like that's the game man you know and i didn't make the rules so all right what's the next game yeah we're going to bikings and commanders you know um got to got to be honest Bo, Bo and Nolan peep this one. Gave this game out and then didn't even watch it. So. Yeah, it's good bounce back for the Vikings offensively. I mean, I talked about the commanders, how they pretty poor performance for Dan Quinn's commanders.

Obviously, 31 points, did not score any points. But yeah, I mean, J.J. McCarthy was pretty good. Let me pull up his stat line because I was critical of him at times, you know, early in the season. He truly still has not played a ton of. of football and this was his best football game to date. I got a stat line around here somewhere. He had 163 yards, three touchdowns, zero picks, obviously 31 points. I mean, that's the thing for me.

You still got to get Justin Jefferson going. I think it's a little bit of a shame how uninvolved he's been in this offense. But, you know, at times the Vikings looked very, very comfortable. They rushed the ball pretty well. Aaron Jones, I'm a huge fan of his game. Those wide outside zones, a staple of K.O. O.C's offense, I think the Vikings just really came out humming at home. Like, they had a drive where they, you know, rushed down the field, scored.

Like, they had a big, you know, kickoff return, went down a shorter field, scored. And then the commanders, the next possession, the commander's first possessions got all the way down into the, you know, the very low red zone for the Vikings and couldn't convert on a fourth down. And I think from there it was kind of just over. Like the Vikings looked really sharp. I think, I mean, yeah, like I said, is McCarthy's best game. Unfortunately, for the commanders, some pretty serious injuries.

Jane Daniels got hurt. He, you know, threw a pick. Van Ginkle, we talked about that a little bit earlier, one of those screen passes. Gink is unbelievable picking those off. He's got like four of those in his career, which is nuts. And then Isaiah Rogers, clean play, but, you know, a tough block on Jane Daniels who braced himself with that elbow that he dislocated. I mean, that was only like four or five weeks ago, I feel like.

And so he got knocked out after that. You know, the question for me is. like going forward people have been critical of Dan Quinn for playing jaden Daniels i i personally don't really subscribe to that philosophy it's you know you got a three and ten football team now with a you know young quarterback who is you know kind of really developing into his his own it's like to me you got to play that guy um so that's been a little bit of that controversy if we don't need to talk about this game too much because the viking shalact them um but i think that is what the the discussion that I think would be interesting to have with this crew is,

like, do you guys, do you guys subscribe to this idea that Jaden Daniels should be, you know, sat down? Obviously, if he's not healthy, he should be. But to me, it's like you got to play this quarterback and develop. And I think part of it, too, is Dan Quinn is, you know, his cheeks are getting a little warm, I think, in Washington. Did, how bad is the injury? I think he just reagravated his elbow.

I'm not sure if any injury news has come out yet. Noel, you got anything? on that? I don't have an injury update there. I mean, I hear you're saying, I think, like, their season's done. So, I mean, to me, I'm always thinking from the standpoint of, like, big picture, what's the point? If the only, if the only thing you're playing for there is, like, I personally feel like I've seen enough from Jane Daniels where I don't think he needs reps to, like, I don't think there's as much to gain for him from these reps relative to the risk you're incurring with the injury. So, yeah, I would, if it's an option. Two of them, I,

I would sit them. Two of the same injury. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Just got word. No update on Jaden Daniels' availability for Sunday. No long-term concerns. And we'll continue to monitor as the week goes.

So, I mean, I'm not sure. On one hand, I'm, I'm conflicted on this, which is why I'm interested to hear what you guys have to say. But it's kind of the same for Joe Burrow for me. Like, yeah, the Bengals had a very slim chance of making the playoffs. And I think I saw Joey, Joey B at the podium. after the game, say something along the lines, like, I'm here to play football. Like, I want, you know, that's the way the cookie crumbles.

Like, I, you know, I want to play. And that's kind of, that's always been my philosophy. I think it's different if you have, you know, someone like Jaden Daniels who has, you know, been banged up at times during his career. And if they don't have playoff chances, then, you know, what's the point of continuing to throw out, throw them out there and potentially suffer, you know, some sort of Daniel Jones-esque injury? I understand that.

But it's like, as football players, like, we want to play. you know what i mean so that's kind of where i'm at personally with it i don't know if you guys feel differently i wouldn't play them any yeah last week i would have said yes but now you've seen it twice like i'm i'm good you know what i'm saying like uh you just yeah so anyways j jay mccarthy dude yeah nine is back really really like nine out there and bo talked about it i thought the biggest thing uh the biggest everything was kind of symptomatic his improved performance was symptomatic He was just playing a lot faster. His 2.89 time to throw yesterday was a couple ticks faster than the 3.11 season-long average he's had.

You see it just him letting it rip the top of his drop, or you also see that quickness with which he's playing, jumping from a primary read to a secondary read or from a second read to a third read. So he wasn't perfect, but I thought he played win with football yesterday. And it felt like night and day from where he's been most of this season. Now it's just about stacking weeks. one of my favorite plays from him this game there's a third and eight it's about 10 minutes left in the second quarter he ripped a it was like a a corner route to addison it was a high low on the flat corner with uh jefferson running the flat route at the sticks and jj rips it to addison they

convert they move the chains and right after the play Jefferson is pointing at jj and clapping and i felt that was just it was just awesome it's i think it speaks to the pro that Jefferson is but also you know Jefferson didn't get the ball in that play I think pointing at him, I interpret it as like, there's still some belief in that, at least within the offense in him. And while McCarthy deserves a credit for the way he performed yesterday, I imagine that belief kind of energized him in a positive way and kind of fueled that too. So he just got to stack these weeks now. After the game, Justin Jefferson said about that play in specific, it's definitely one of those plays I wish would have come to meet. But it happens

sometimes as part of the game. As long as we win, that's what I really care about. Yeah. He's a team player, dude. I love that guy. I'm always impressed with him. He's such a good pro, man. He's so cool. This is funny.

Reid brought this up. This is a guide of the most hated numbers by state December, 2025. I don't know how anybody finds this. I don't think this is actually based on any. This is Reddit. 49 out of 50 states. This is a mean. Hated numbers, 6-7.

Yeah, I'm with them on the 6-7 thing. And then Minnesota's just 9. You guys think, am I being stupid? This isn't really a poll. No, this is not a poll. You didn't get that from the Bureau of Labor and Statistics. You didn't get that in the mail, Chris? Nowadays, whatever you see on the internet,

these AI videos are just, they're just slop. It's getting so bad, dude. It's getting so bad. Yeah, I know. They got the chees out of the playoffs. The memes are even hard to decipher. Hard to discern. All right.

So, anyways. Neum, Saints, Bucks, near. Okay, yeah, airplane. I got, I got some stuff. Oh, Shucks. What do you have, Buck? Yeah, I went through this game this morning because I was a little confused about it.

I mean, I like the Bucks. This game was played in Tampa Bay, Nate. I don't know if you were aware, but. Reed, I was on Reed. I wasn't. Reed and co. But anyway, it was a little bit of a sloppy game. You know, obviously the Saints went away, 20,

Saints went away 2420. I was impressed with Shuck, especially on his feet, like he has mentioned. He had two rushing touchdowns that were just fucking backbreakers, especially the second one. I think that was in the fourth quarter. And that's kind of my greater point in this game is really a tale of two halves. The Bucks were pretty dominant in the first quarter, I guess quietly dominant. And then they just came out and Baker threw a bad pick, the first drive of the second half, which resulted in that first Shuck, scramble touchdown.

Again, pretty sloppy game. The teams were really trying to, you know, it was really raining. It was wet out. And teams were really trying to run the ball. And then again, in the second half, like, Shuck was dead to rights in the backfield with Vita and other guys pursuing him and managed to scramble. Like, he was like 13 yards in the backfield. It felt like one of those vintage Russell Wilson, like give ground and gain ground type

quarterback scrambles and ended up putting it in. And that was a game winner. So, you know, for the bucks, a couple things. Offensively is going to get Bucky Irving back. He actually got baptized on Sunday and then later, you know, baptized again because he had a nice score on a running back swing screen in the first half. That was good. It's going to see Buck back out there.

But just speaking for the Bucks, lackluster offense, does not quite feel like Baker has been the same quarterback that he was, you know, when he was getting those MVP chance and kind of willing the team to victory earlier this season. And a big part of that is three for 13 on third down. And I thought this was really interesting. thing two for seven on fourth down like the bucks went for it seven times on fourth down which is fucking nuts and that to me is just a product of the environment that you know is being played over at

ray j and then the you know the real the real thing too is uh only one for two in the red zone and that's and that's really what it was i mean the if it weren't for that you know that those heroic from shuck late in that game um you know the bucks walk away with this one and it's i mean this is a bad loss for them man i'm pulling up the standings here and uh in the nfc south the bucks are uh they're seven and six and so uh so is the team spearheaded by the prince who was promised chris the panthers and so they have some very very important um nfc south matchups still to come between those two teams but you know just a couple other things um you know i played for the bucks i know that defense i know i got a lot of guys on that team so i'm kind of you know keep in mind i'm looking at things from

the Bucks perspective. I do think they're really missing an edge rush around defense. Vita Vaya had a sack. Greg Gaines, who I fucking love, had a sack. And then Chris Braswell, I'm not as familiar with his game,

but he had a sack. It feels like they're really missing an edge rusher. Also, their linebackers have been really poor in coverage this year. Shuck was kind of like they played a lot more zone. Yesterday than I feel like Todd has done in the past. And Shuck was kind of finding tight ends and guys in the middle of that, middle of the defense, which, you know, I was a little bit, he looked pretty comfortable out there,

you know, younger quarterback, kind of a confusing defensive scheme with bowls. And it seemed like that was a priority there is to attack the middle of the field. And he executed that well. So, yeah, other things, I mean, Bucks were pretty committed to running the ball. They did it by committee. I think, again, that was a product of the environment. Bucky had 15 carries, 55 yards, Rashad White, you know, 11 carries, 53 yards. And then Baker is making a ton of hay with his feet, too.

Just like, dude, Shalk had seven carries for 55 yards and two touchdown. So that's really where the, you know. Scramble game strong. Yeah. Yeah, a couple of those runs were, they were pretty impressive. They were seasoned.

They were more seasoned than. He has some of that deceptive. Yeah, deceptive speed, you know. No, 34-yard run, 13-yard run. I think also, I think the biggest. moment for me that you want to see from a young quarterback is you're on the road division game right like obviously you're not going anywhere but five minutes ago in the game you're holding a four point lead and you're playing a team that's really been nails on drives at the end of the game so you don't

want to give him the ball back and your jobs to keep them off the field and he converts two third downs two third and five really good third downs like on time there was a third and 10 too that he converted that was exactly what you're saying on time poised uh I think it was later in the game too But again, like you want to see it week to week. I'm not going to like, I'm not going to jump out of the gym. I will join the like Shuck Hive, you know, which I told you last week in the Bermuda Triangle that like he had to play well in this game for me to stay in the hive. I'm in the hive.

But I still think like you can't based off the fact that he beat the bucks who are not a great football team right now, the way they are from an injury standpoint, the way the quarterback's playing. You know, it doesn't guarantee you the job. but he is, he's working his way into the conversation, which I think is, I don't know what they expected this year. I really don't. And if it was for Shuck to be the guy, because he is a second round pick,

you know, smart of them to kind of run Rattler out there for a while this year to give him time. So even though Rattler gets the ass end of that thing. Yeah, Shucking among rookies and pass a rating on the season behind Jackson DART for whatever that's worth. Numbers, though. They can be deceiving.

No doubt. Yeah, before we move. from this game, Bo, you mentioned the money downs for the Bucks offense. I just want to give a little bit of shout out to Brandon Staley's group. I thought they did a great job on those plays. I mean, this Saints defense is not exactly a star-studded group,

but they've low-key balled out on third-downs this year. They're six best third-down defense in the league. And you look back at the first match-up against the Bucks. The Bucks were 3-13 in that game on third-down two. So, I mean, it was, they just time

and time again, they answered the belt. Demario Davis, Granderson, Brzee, Godshaw, made plays in the run game. Jordan Howden, the safety coming down, made some short-yarders, run stops, Alante Taylor, some really big plays on the ball and coverage. So I just thought a bunch of guys stepped up for them in big moments there for the Saints defensively. And it's just funny how this time of year you have, like, fans for other teams rooting for their arch rivals.

It was like Panthers fans were huge, shocking Saints fans yesterday, just trying to keep the Bucks within striking distance. So all on all, an impressive showover from the Saints. It is interesting. You think about the Falcons. They're sitting there in Flowery Branch, and they're looking at this table, this NFC South table, and they see the Bucks kind of coming back.

They see the Panthers. They're tied at 7 and 6, and they're like, dadgum. You know, if we had done, maybe there were a couple tweaks or something, but it was right there for the taking. A division, a playoff spot was right there for the Atlanta Falcons. Nia! Rams Cardinals. The Rams.

The Rams are really good. Really good. Puka, Nakuwa, and Matthew Stafford, that combination is unbelievable. And it just sucks. I don't know what it is about the cards. Like, I don't want to just say they're trash because, like, maybe in the moment they are. but they're really not that bad. And Jacoby Brissette, he just continues to be just a pro.

A pro, maybe not in the best situation, but making the best of his situation. And Michael Wilson putting up the type of numbers that he has put up just filling in and becoming a number one with all the injuries that they have around them on that team is pretty impressive. Brissette is a guy that, I mean, we've seen him in the past, different teams hopping around,

and whenever he does get his chance to get in there, he finds a way to put his best foot forward and put some good things on tape. But too little, too late when playing the Rams, because, like we're just saying, Pooka Nakua is unbelievable. And then between Blake Quorum and Kairn Williams, they had over 200 rushing and three touchdowns. You can't win games if you can't stop the run. So it's going to be interesting to see how the Cardinals finish out this year. I mean, Bressett's a pro, so I figure like he's going to have those guys on offense,

at least trying to look as best as they can to finish out this season because Cardinals have a lot of decisions to make in the off season and a lot of other spots, if you are, someone like Jacoby Berset might be opening up to maybe get out of Arizona. But I think if I was Arizona, I would be trying to keep him just seeing what he can do with those young guys when they are out there.

This is an audition for him. This is show me the money. Kind of playtime. Exactly. No more Kyler, let it rip. And they're letting him, right? He's thrown, what, 40, more than 40 passes in like five games?

Yeah, but that's just not, like, it's all good for him individually, but I think the worst thing for Gannon in the group is like, look at the combined squirrel. scores. I just saw this, this graphic about the last three games in division. It's just like, like, and I know they don't have the quarterbacks. And I know they don't have like, I love their defense when, when, you know, when, when they've been good this year, they've

been really good. But like, they've got a homecoming defense. They've, they've just fallen apart. Like, everything had to go right for. This is the kind of team that everything had to go right for for them to like make a run and anything. And things have not gone right for them. And, you know, I think they've got to be looking at the future. I'm not saying it's, it's, it's, or anything like that because I'm a Gannon fan but you know the for the Rams they get the lions on 10 days rest lions got 10 days rest sitting in their den getting ready for that game and then they get short week at Seattle um so because that Seattle game is what Thursday it's a Thursday game so yeah you get that's crazy the physicality you know and then they get a a long week a long week

down to Atlanta. Rams don't have it easy down the stretch the last month of the season, but they, I think between them and between them and Green Bay, I don't see a better NFC team. You know, I mean, Seattle's got something to say about it. I have a feeling Seattle's going to beat them the second game. And that's kind of like your best three teams in the NFC. I know I'm leaving the Eagles out, but they got to play better. You know, tonight could go a long way towards me, think they belong back in that conversation. But, um, Broncos, goes Raiders, Cowboy, what do you think? I got a quick stat, though. Ashton Genti has rushed for more yards after contact than total rushing yards in three of his last four games. Four total in his

rookie season. He's insane. Honestly, the first, I think, like two or three drive, first one especially yesterday, he ran like a madman. And the Raiders did have a little bit of an offensive push. there was there was um uh uh bow nix first drive boom

no problem and he had i mean 40 damn passes for 200 yards you know it was all around around the line of scrimmage but we were completing the ball we were getting completions we were moving it first drive touchdown no problem uh good rip and i called it

you know i knew we were not going to cover um it was probably the people are mad about that dude it It needs to be a little investigation into what happened in the end of that game. First, the fact that Chom Payton didn't just kick the field goal and decided to go for it on fourth down. I don't know if he has some Veneta against Pete Carroll, probably does. And then the fact that the Raiders, or the referees gifted the Raiders, you know, just about the entire field to pop over and get right down and kick the field goal to cover.

So a little wild. But hey, we are, we now have the tiebreaker against the. the New England Patriots. We got them there. So if we went out or if we have the same record as the Patriots the rest of the way, we are rocking and rolling in the one seed. And RJ Harvey, great game from RJ Harvey, 100 total yards. He leads rookie running backs with touchdowns this year.

Wahoo. Stub. Yeah, Pahu. Wahoo. Kav. His ends, he left us. So, you know. All right.

Seahawks, Falcons, man. I talked about this coming in the game. The Falcons really tricked this season off, huh? I should have just, yeah, the Falcons are just, they're a factor of sadness, dude. They're just, some things just, they, you set your watch to it, you know? But the good thing is for them down there, which isn't fair for a lot of states and places, they can always just watch Georgia. Or go to Magic City.

Like, yeah, either or. You got a lot of other things that you can, like, you can, like, you can fold. focus your energy on. Like, but if you. But cheeks and bulldogs. Right? If you had to throw it all into the Falcons, this is just like. That's what Georgia does.

That's what Georgia does. Crab cakes and football from Maryland and butt cheeks and bulldogs down in the state of Georgia. Sure. Sounds like a T.I album. Butchicks and Bulldogs. Probably fire. Cheeks and bulldogs. No, so I just, you know, the one good thing for the Falcons is they are in a division where, you know, it's kind of

a shit show but having said that there is a world where they wake up next year and three of those teams have starting quarterbacks that they feel like are the answer and um how quickly things can change now i'm fully aware that michael pennix is under contract but he's coming off of another catastrophic injury and man it sucks your best players are running back and we know the shelf life on a running back and he's been to leave for a couple years now. So the clock's ticking, tick, tick, tick. You got one receiver who was actually any good from a productivity standpoint this year. The tight end who flashed really good.

They're probably, he's not going to be a falcon. He's gone. The one good thing you got is you end up coming out of this year with some really good defensive pieces. And I think you can build around that identity, which is why I think the next coach, as much as I hate to say this, maybe it should be a defensive head coach, even though I know that, like, you know, teams like to go the other way. And I know Raheem Morris is not fired yet.

So I don't want to, you know, but it's an ugly deal. The one good thing for the Seahawks is you start that game kind of, as I told you, it would be a rock fight early and it was, and then it exploded, obviously with Sheheed running a ball back for a touchdown out of the half. So we don't need to talk much about that game. did whoever saw the game did you see the game yeah i'll just see enough for darnall putting the blitz concerns out uh he did a nice job in this game i would like to see a pattern before i feel patterns man before he put that to bed you know but overall versus the blitz 10 to 14 126 three tuds he threw

a pick which was a bad decision um was a tip drill should have actually been picked by agent who tipped it up and then Mike Hughes secured it. He just tried to fit it into a window that was already closed. But overall, I thought it was a promising performance for him versus the Blitz, which is obviously

probably the biggest wart on this Seahawks team right now as the playoffs approach. So, yeah. It's got to stack weeks. Yeah, you got to get that thing frozen off. Yeah. Look at this. You got to freeze that war.

Yeah. But But somebody just pointed out, and obviously, like, Falcons, they have some draft capital issues, right? Yeah, the Rams are making their first round pick. Which is just for the Rams. It just keeps getting better, dude. And the Rams are going to go to Atlanta and try to beat the dog shit out of them to make that pick even better. But I think that goes further in supporting why they should be hiring on defense because that's where their best, that's where their best players are. you know lean into that that um and i'm not saying you know london and robinson are but the the

draft capital right you know like i i feel like there's some good young players you have to develop that side of the football um okay you just need a quarterback you just need a quarterback that's it's that easy in the NFL you just have to find one of those guys Atlanta Jones Atlanta Jones yeah and we'll be running out of the pistol again Exactly. That'd be fucking crazy. People are like, why can't we give it to our best player, like, from under center? We did the Achilles quarterback thing again.

Okay. I guess it is time. Go get lost. A promuleta triangle where football games disappear. Oh, well. I don't know, Jim. This one might disappear. Bad day for people that don't like football teams in the state of Florida.

Dolphins, shout out to the dolphins. I asked Aaron Glenn to do something for me. I asked him to end the long national nightmare that is this installment of the Miami Dolphins and he couldn't do it. And I must say, I got to tip my cap to the Miami Dolphins. I got to tip my cap, my winter cap to Tua because they hadn't won a game

where it was colder than 45 degrees, which is a wild fucking stat because 45 degrees isn't even fucking cold. I don't even think my nipples are getting hard in 45 degrees, okay? since 2019. That's seven straight. They won yesterday.

It was a balmy, 41-a-kick. The Jets had those Gotham uniforms on. We'll save those for the mentions because I'm sure somebody's going to talk about them. And they just beat the dog shit out of them. They ran the ball up their ass. This week, Devon A-chan was, I think he was on the St. Brown podcast, was he? Talking about strip clubs and that sort of thing.

And he came across kind of horny. And it turned out he brought a few edits. escorts to New York with him. One of them was named Alec Ingold. He was fantastic. Those guys were just the big pullers on the edge. They were just fucking running the ball all over the jets, escorting Devon A. Chan, who's one of the best players playing for a middling team in the NFL. And then he left with a rib injury. So the game kind of ended from an interest standpoint for your boy. But, you know, I want to quote the great Anthony Weaver, all of our problems that need that we need to solve can be solved through violence, which makes me tell he's John Wick.

But he's Anthony fucking Weaver, and I want to see him be a head coach. He has completely turned this defense around stamp at this guy's name was getting floated like mid-season. I think some people who hadn't watched this defense closely enough are like, why the fuck is he on a short list of guys who should get a job? But I think he's done a fantastic job. And shout out to former players being head coaches. How many defensive linemen do you know? that are in a conversation for being head coach next year. How many fucking D-line head coaches are there, have there been in the NFL?

Because Mike Vrable is the only one. Brable. That's what you're getting in Anthony Weaver. You're getting South Beach Mike Vrable. Can I interest you in South Beach Mike Bramble, dude? That guy looks cool as shit. All right. Anthony Weaver.

They got to go to Pittsburgh on Monday night. If they can find a way to win that game, I think they'll play two teams that can't rush the passer in Cincinnati and Tampa Bay. So those are winnable games for Miami Dolphins for sure. And then they finish with New England. And New England might be resting their starters at that point. So like the dolphins, you might see facts, tree teams from the AFC East, from the AFC East in the playoffs, but also tree teams from Florida in the AFC East.

So this is pretty interesting. Dolphins are not dead. And, yeah, there's a month left in the season. Here's your lifeline. Fax is counting out the teams. There's only three teams in Florida. Is it storming today? Yeah.

Yeah, oh, yeah. But like, Dolphin. Yeah. So what he was saying, the three teams in Florida might, all three also might make the playoffs. That's crazy. That is nuts. It's absolutely unhinged.

When's the last time that happened? Jacksonville, Tampa, and Miami make the playoffs? Um, probably. Hmm. Florida takeover. I think recently. Maybe, possibly. Jacksonville and Tampa have probably shared a year, right?

Yes, the Jacksonville, Jaguars, Miami Dolphins, and Tampa Bay Buccaneers have made the NFL playoffs in the same year twice. 1999, the playoffs in early 2000, and the 2022 season. 2022. The year that's lost to the Chiefs. Yep. And Patrick Mahomes to the Chiefs. And Mahomes had like an ankle. And I, hey, you know what?

You know what's fucking crazy? What? I was betting on the Jags that game and rooting for the Jags. I'll never forget. I was in my old house screaming, jump it up and down. Trevor. So that's where you started. You know, here's another game.

It comes out. Here's another game that I profusely bet the Jags. Remember when he played maybe the best game of his career against the Dallas Cowboys that year? Mm-hmm. Oh, fuck, man. That was the time. You had the boy? You had him?

You bet him or the boy? Yeah, I had him. I used to bet the Jags all the time. might start doing it again. Hey, if you'd have did it this year, it'd been great. No, I know. I'd be giving out Jags money line, I think, every week on the news. Which is logical.

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Calling on with a question about one of the most ubiquitous topics from fans, especially on social media, um, refereeing, particularly in the Bayes Packers in. Packers in. Saw a lot of fellow package fans that was really, really up in arms. To me, it looks like it was pretty much the same thing as every week where you just have a lot of calls that can go either way. Maybe a couple of that were big and didn't go in our favor, battle nick with anything crazy.

A lot of people in particular are talking about Michael Parsons and how he could tell them like every play. Now, I don't know if that's true. But they also kind of call it, they compared to the Janice aside, where sometimes to see a player who's pretty physically dominant and one of the only ways, not the only, but one of the only ways to top them is to foul them or to commit a penalty. But based on you guys' experience, on the D-line in particular, here's what you guys think. So basically he's wondering Micah Parsons, are there uncalled holds on Eddressures and why?

And maybe it would like. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. All the time. And I feel like people like they think it's bad to talk about it. but in reality, it's one of those things where, like, the more you talk about it, whether it's legit or not,

it's probably going to get looked at a little bit more here and there, or there might be certain refs that be like, what we're looking back at stuff, hey, maybe we'll make a point to look at it. But who really knows if that makes a difference? But if you're just a guy who maybe you get held and you just never say anything about it, maybe no one ever looks at it or just ends up being like, hey, you know what? He's actually right. He actually is getting held on these plays. Number one, I've never seen somebody put their hands up and actually get a holding call.

Yeah. So like, and I've done it plenty of times. Oh, yeah. You know, like, hey, you might be doing it. Like, you can sell it during the hole, but like after the play, like, if you got held and you're on the ground, like, you should get off the ground. Yeah. And just don't do this because you're not going to be out of the play.

But I will say, like, it happens. all the time. It happens all the time. It happens probably once a possession because a hold is so subjective. It really is. It is a very subjective. Was that a call? Was it not? Even if you fully understand what a hold is. I think sometimes like people think things that are holds or not holds. A lot of times like you'll see somebody with a snatch down and in pass rush, you know like past protection. Somebody will snatch down a guy who's got his head down and he's all out here and somebody They'll say, oh, he held him. Or sometimes somebody will get dumped, right?

But if your hands are inside, it's usually not a hold, right? If the player leaves the frame of your body and you're still holding on, that's a hold. Like, there's just a million different variables, like, either way. And I think that's why people don't have a hard time understanding what is a hole, what is not a hold. But there's a ton of holds that go missed. And if they ever put it to a review, they never would because you'd be calling a hold on every fucking play. There's a hold on every play. And it's just that the game is slanted towards offense.

It is, dude. It is. Bottom line. So there's always going to be holds that they get away with. And it honestly would be bad for the game if they called a hold on every play. And I know it's sacrilege for me to say as a de-lineman, but there is a hold every play. Dude still get buckets on, you know, while being held. So power to them.

Yeah, no question. You can power through and get the N1. Those feel the best, too. but Parsons had like 8, 10 fucking pressures yesterday. Again, it's like clockwork. And nobody, I don't want to say nobody, Miles Garrett. But like this year, if you watch Green Bay, and I don't know if you all agree with me, and this is why it was fun yesterday to watch Halfley cook up some of those sim pressures

and like interesting looks on third down because they're generally not thought of as being like a bring extra rushers guy. Point being sim pressure, you're not bringing extra rushers, but exotic looks. If you didn't have Micah Parsons, there aren't a ton of guys just winning one-on-ones, right, especially with Wyatt off the field. So, like, when you see them, like, somebody successfully take Parsons out of the play, like, if you're just, if you're Green Bay and you're just rushing four, like, they're actually not the scariest group to protect against. So that's why he's so important to them. He really is. He's so important to them because the delta between what they be with him and without them speaks to why they made that trade. call number two

hey boys first time long time Jesse seen from South Florida wanting to hear where you guys feel about the running backs in the league I feel like we got some hot young stars right now I personally think Jvonne A-chan and Jermere games are like 1A 1B going into the end of the season but I like to hear where you guys bring some of the top

running backs in the AFC and NFC that's interesting have a good one that's a good one thank you for calling in a FC let's see running backs I'll tell you is there like a comprehensive list of running backs i think it starts with jameer gives i made that statement the other day i think jonathan taylor let's not have like you know let's not forget what he's done this year okay this is the the most productive NFL running backs i think and christian mcalfrey hasn't run for a bunch of yards

but if i wanted to if i had a choice like you just get one of these running backs if you go by scrimand roads he's third yeah if you go up to the top i'm picking jimere gibbs first A time capsule of CMC, maybe second. And then it's close between Devon A-chan and Bajon Robinson. And I think Cook, who's up there as well. The one guy who's... You got to pick one, Chris. Just pick one.

You're stealing everyone else's. He asked us to rank them. Jesus Christ. Is that not what he asked? Yeah. You just took all the guys I wanted to talk about. Well, go on, dude. I mean, I was going to say James.

Believe me. I'm good. The only concern I have with him is he's been kind of putting the ball on the ground a little bit lately. Saw that against the Bengals yesterday. I love James Cook, though. I love how he cuts those back, those zone runs back. And then obviously, like I talked about the Colts earlier, Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin legend. The Badger Jersey behind me, he's up there too. I mean.

Friend of the podcast. Yeah, great guy. There's one guy, though, that I don't think. his yardage is as good as he would be on another team. Keep going up. There's two of them actually. Okay, keep going down between like 10 and 20. I think Rico Dowdle has really impressed me this year. Obviously, Josh Jacobs is running behind a shitty offensive line, but he's just your steady like F-250, bro. Sorry, your Toyota Tundra. You're just never going to have a problem. He's always going to get the hidden yardage. And then Juggins, man. I think Junkins is great. The problem with Sequin is, bro, like,

He's just rejoined the pack because of the shape of their offensive lines. So the reason I didn't put him up there is the same reason I wouldn't put some guy up there that it was like 15th or 17th in the league last year. You know, if it wasn't his fault, you know, that's just not the way it works. If, you know, if it was all about the context of the situation, it wouldn't be about stats. So I, like, I don't know, man. We've talked about, we talked about H-H-N a lot. He's a weapon, man. He's one of those guys, man.

I wish we were watching him in the playoffs. I wish he got dealt with the deadline. Yeah. He is outstanding. And running past phase, you know. And he's not wasting a way down there. It's just, he's just not winning. You know, like they feature him heavily and they use him like a Swiss Army knife.

But, you know, pre-snap and that sort of thing. Like, they do so much to take people's eyes and put them on a chance. So I'm sorry if that doesn't answer the question. I work on a more comprehensive, like, one, two, three. But it's almost like a tier thing. And maybe next season. Maybe two seasons from now, we might have a new name on that list in Kyle Menangai. Oh, yeah.

I was dying. He's a beast. All right. Call number three. Okay. This is Peter B. Paris. No. The Bill Belichet.

A podcast evaluators. I heard you mention me again. and I heard Neph O'Bow tell me to eat his ass and as I said in the comments I wouldn't eat your ass with your mama's mouth

Oh my God Yeah I'm down If you guys are serious Hit me up And let's put it together Unless you're scared If you're scared Say you're scared

Peace out So we have We have Mr. Peres Contact information We're gonna We're gonna put this thing together So Bo Get ready

That's what Bo Yeah dude shit Let's line that that up What exactly are we doing? I'm interviewing him. You're eating his ass. Oh, he's eating my ass. And he's eating your ass.

Bro, that is not what I thought Peter B. Barris would sound like. No, I thought it was for sure. I thought for sure it'd be like, what of you guys? No, he's a real person, bro. Definitely a white guy. God, this guy just hates me. What did I do?

Yeah, call back. Let me know what exactly I did in this life. besides the mediocre podcasting ability that you often reference but yeah dude i'm down man i it's gonna be so great it's gonna be some kid you bullied you bullied in middle school and you like yeah and you're gonna be like holy shit dude yeah no i know yeah from uh from minnesota because that's where bo's from i love it he answered the call though good for him shout out to you for actually calling in mad all right are we on to the mentions we are on to the mansion

and hear some moments from you fellows so again you guys are going to team up in this uh we've got a little chorus that i'm going to choose and decide so first one we already have our best flight and our worst flight uh do we want to pick those now no uh no you guys can uh yeah let us know who needs a lead all right yeah so got the lead and who needs so best flight we had chris he said the walk-ons at not dame but that's not mine i can't even take credit for that i told you i had to like so you're going to give me one for somebody go ahead yeah well no no no Nolan that's Nolan I told you somebody on set

thought of that one yeah so and then Bo had the Texans and Nate had Cam Ward Nolan where do you vote knowing that you now have a pony in this race I'm voting for the Notre Dame walk on his best flight

dinner I'm voting for Cam Ward Cam Ward and that's where my vote lies to Nate you win best flight thank you buddy congratulations and then worst flight we had Chris had the bangles

Bo had Dan Quinn Nate had the bucks Tanner where'd you fall Well I was surprised UVA wasn't on here But I'm gonna go with The Bucks because He's posting He's poking

That's hilarious God God God God J.MU is so fucking trash I hate JMU so much Hey made the playoffs I just gotta tell you It ain't even close It is the Bengals

Worst flight is the Bengals Worst flight is the Bengals. That's my... Bro, I just... I was... No, but, like, if you're... I got to... Like, this was never...

There's never been an easier one. Just imagining that flight is, like, brutal. Yep. The Bengals? Yeah. It's brutal. It's fucking brutal, dude. So, Nate...

Oh, we could be in. Oh, we're not going to be in. This is it, guys. If we lose this one, it's over. Okay, next week you come in, your coach is like, all right, never mind. If you lose this one, it's over. And you do that for, like, three months. You know what I'm talking about, Bo?

Did somebody submit the Colts or no? And then you know, it's like, it's almost unspoken. Yeah. It's almost unspoken, though, when it's actually over your whole team knows. It's like animals that go into hibernation or something. Like, it doesn't need to be said. You just get on the plane. You know this was actually the loss.

So we've got Nate. That's the worst practice, too, that following Wednesday. Nate and Chris tied to the top one apiece. We're heading to the Bevelcomway Award and Bo's going to kick it off. All right. fine i'm just gonna take this low hanging fruit here i'm gonna say the you know what actually fuck it i'm gonna go against my uh against what i really want to do my bevel conway dude duval the jaggs jerseys with that old old school shoulder patch i thought that was fucking sweet that's the best

thing i've seen from the jags all season so that old school shoulder patch are the jags do ball baby i can't believe he's sucking up to you bro it's all good man tell him stop groveling I'm the one who pits facts against you, Chris. It's not the other way around. All right. You forget about facts in the king. We've had a lot of good reps together. Ain't that right, Nate?

Oh, now you've had good reps together. Yeah. Two quarterbacks on one team. You ever want to, you know, me and you against Chris. That could be a fun dynamic too. Yeah, it could be fun. Yeah. That's where I just.

My Beville Conway is going to. My bed with Conway is Aaron Rogers rushing TD with the discount double-check celebration after. I think that was a nice, vintage, beautiful look for football fans, Perk Rogers out there going crazy, putting his life and body on the line actually running for a touchdown. And then just to throw that celebration from back in the time. days it just it just looked great and then rogers he looked excited on the sideline fucking kissing guys and celebrating and doing all that shit after getting mad about basically a teammate doing the same thing being excited for him at the beginning of the year it's just funny how things changed did he

tackle the guy just about him him and him and him and rudolph were like giving each other body blows and then like they did like a weird they did a weird thing and then they did hug really close it was like I don't know that's wild bro yeah they're a suspicion it's a wild deal I like it look see like him in the chest yeah hit him in the chest yeah look at that what was that well yeah I mean it's different when mason rudolph does it you know they rub moustaches together something I don't know Does count double check? What's your bevel?

Oh, mine. I mean, you guys are going to think it's too chalky, but the snow in the second quarter of the Cincinnati Buffalo game. Holy shit, dude. It was like, and the funny thing about this game was it fell in waves. Like some drives, and I was just going to say this about Joe Brady. I thought he did a really good job of calling the game differently, depending on the way the snow was coming down.

Because when you go back and watch it, and you can really see it on like the All-22. It's not really even about the X's nose. It's just about seeing the snow. The scoreboard tells you. And then you'll see like how thick it is on the field. But you know when they show you the scoreboard before each rep, dude, in the second and fourth quarters, I think,

it was just, it was thick. And it was like 2x. And it was beautiful, dude. It was beautiful. This is my Bevel Conway. It's the second quarter snow in the building. It's a great dump. Oh, is that a guide to how much it was?

snowing? No. No, no, that's the score throughout the game. Do you wear glasses? Yeah. Okay. I can't see. Borough All Goldens. I know, Al Golden had the fucking, uh, the sunglasses on in the snow, dog. What the hell? No, it's pretty cool. I am while... What the hell? What the hell? While Aaron Rogers extending the goal, the ball over the goal line and running in was incredible. The second quarter snow in Buffalo is insane. There's nothing better in football than a snow game it was beautiful yeah that was my vote as well i also thought the uniform combos are pretty nice in that game you guys are still get my vote or you still get your vote it's gonna lose but perk rogers perjure perjure perjure perjure perjure perjure yeah yeah that's things

wow you don't like those that's really interesting i thought for sure you would be dying on What I was saying earlier was like, I'm wasting that, no. They weren't awful. Like, they were kind of all of drab. They're terrible. So it's funny, but like, I think you guys always say. They could be better.

So, I think these helmets are fine, are cool, but you guys always say these helmets are terrible. But just these helmets, I feel like the jerseys, these aren't the jerseys that they wore last time with these helmets, right? Like, this is the first time. I feel like this numbering is weird as hell. It's like, yes. It's medieval number.

It's like whatever it is. It's like the font you choose when you're trying to make your essay get fucking two extra pages. Too bigger. You mean courier, you mean courier new? Yes. You need to get on the borders, bro. You need to get on the comics.

Comics. Sams. Bro, that's what it feels like with this. But I actually do like the helmets. The helmets, I feel like you see a lot of people saying, I don't like the way that looks. but yeah just the combination of everything they had going on there it's my anti-bevel dude honestly if like this showed up in an army navy game like this this actually looks pretty dope i think if they fit fix the helmet like if you went flat olive of drab or something mm-hmm like this could be a dope uniform

i think i'm not going to lie the jet logo is olive olive is that me it's olive zoom in it's definitely not gray yeah i don't know what it is Yeah, it's dark olive. This is just done all black. Man, like every other early 2000s high school football team. It would look better than this. Yeah, for sure. I think with some tweaks, it could have been better.

But the point was, like, the Jets have some of the most beautiful, classic-looking uniforms. It's like any time you take those off, you're not going to look as good. Anti-Belble Conway. Boj, do you have one? Yeah, I got one. I mean, it talks about this a little bit. earlier but just the sight of Daniel Jones limping to the locker room like he was walking under his

own power which I respect like you know but that's fucking brutal man obviously as soon as that injury happened he knew it I'm a fan of his resurgence and that was a tough look man he hated to see that and we talk about it all the time it's just like is that the player is that on the is that like on the is that like on the trainers like to not let the players be prideful in that moment and just like dude like yeah we know you want to be a tough guy and you don't want to want to get on the cart. Nobody's going to remember this. But get on your get on the fucking cart, bro. Just get on the cart, yo.

All right. So obviously, that was really nice to you to shout out Daniel Jones and his injury, anti-bevil Conway. It was certainly ugly. But, you know, I just wanted to shout out our teammate Zach Ertz, which maybe you forgot, but Zach Erz got hurt yesterday. And that was even worse. So I think, you know, anti-Bel Conway.

I didn't have one. That was my best shot at it. I do want to say this, though, Zach Ertz, man. And I said this in a lot more long form. last night the consummate pro this is it for zach irits man and that was an ugly injury but i mean was a fantastic fucking player on our super bowl team whenever we needed a first down knew where to be in zone really heady player tough player um great hands just a good teammate and the whole thing and then like to see him late in his career you want to see two things about a guy late in his career like if a guy

can be productive late in his career it says a lot about the kind of guy he is and the kind of career he had in my opinion because part of the NFL is being a pro when your talent kind of weans a little bit or you're getting older like how do you play how do you show up for your team and then too like what kind of guy are you when when the chips are down and like how hard it is to have won a Super bowl in that chapter of your career and then spend the end of your career in Washington and I'm not kissing up to you guys I don't deserve to win this award I just want to talk about Zach to be the pro he's been and obviously it's great to be there for jaden Daniels in the beginning of his career to be the teammate he's been to be as productive as he's been late in this career man i just

just uh sending some love to zach earths and um also for a guy like jaden daniels he might end up being one of those guys right to have a zach urts early in your career like he'll always remember having his act hurts so i i just uh shout out to zach and that was really rough to to watch and both those injuries suck but it was like for our boy like you know whenever you see a teammate get hurt it's just like fuck man and also like fuck man you're still out there? Right. How is that possible? Are we, you know? Um, so anyways, Zach, uh, heal up good, buddy. Shout out. Don't give it to me. Uh, Nolan, Zach Hertz, Daniel Jones, heading in the locker room or the Jets jerseys. My vote is the Jets uniform. There we go. I don't ever will mention

just to throw out here for everybody. The Browns wore the turds yesterday. It was gross. Yeah, actually, I was almost going to throw this up, but did you, I'm surprised you didn't mention this facts. Not to add any more fuel to the should do her stuff, but did you see the photo of his jock strap hanging out in that one clip? Why are they doing that? They're saying he has a thong. It's always funny when people who don't

play football and like who don't know what a jockstrap is. It's just like I mean, I guess it really I mean, it's not a thong, but it's always funny when that goes viral because it's just like, yo, like it kind of does look like a thong, but it's not. And it's funny

to joke on. And it's just like, yeah. It's just funny what chooses to go viral, like when you're watching football, that's not football related and the fact that people see that picture and be like, oh my God, he's wearing a thong. I mean, that's

why, I mean, obviously, guys, that's why he almost threw for almost 400 yards. How else do you think you can do that? The TMZ front page the NFL right now resides in Cleveland. It's not his fault, but it's like, that's the people are like, yo, like,

what I hate is the fucking dialogue around it man like all of a sudden it's just like front page news everything the kid does or doesn't do man and we fall into it on the show because we we answered the bell on trying to inform people but that you get like people talking about he's got a thong on bro like how stupid are you bro one of his trading yeah one of his trading cards kaboom training cards what sold for 50k last night after he i don't even know what that is bro what do you mean one of his A kaboom. Oh, it's like those cards you were signing, like there's only so many of those.

Like the Kaboom ones, there's only so many. One of mine just went for $13.50. $13,000? No. $13.50. So. The Jets jerseys take it in a close one. Best seat.

Best seat, I got one. To the couple who randomly chose to have their wedding. on June 13th in Rhode Island, who ended up getting contacted by another couple saying, hey, we want that date. And to have that date, we will pay for your wedding on top of giving you a half a million dollars. So that couple, wait, what?

They decided to pick the same place and venue that Travis and Taylor wanted to have their wedding, and they got paid off to switch their dates. Exactly. What? You're going to not only pay for it, but you're going to put half a million dollars in my pocket. Best seat. Best seat.

No mind if I do. Don't mind. I'll call off the wedding after a mill. Right. But yeah, kudos to that couple. And oh, man. And it just so happens. Like the venue is close to one of Taylor's houses.

So that's where they want it. my houses. So I mean, I feel like that's probably, I feel like, I feel like that's the best seat. When I heard this story, hell yeah, that's a good seat. Good seat to be in. But I'll give you a best seat. Somebody is going to make more than $500,000. And his name is James Winston. I call him blank check James Winston because as soon as he fucking retires, I was watching him at my dad's work yesterday it's blank check like it's an arms race we got to have james winston in our studio man the guy's electric he gave a duval call yesterday a duval call yeah he also showed up at shrayhan's dressing room with like gap teeth and shit i saw that you look kind of good i like that look out of james

and my dad loved him and you know my dad always loves james who doesn't love james if you find somebody that doesn't love james there's something wrong with that person and and i think next uh whether it's next year or a couple years from now i i still think he can play quarterback but i think if he wanted to retire this year he could make whatever he wanted he's got the best seat look at him getting breaking down fox you don't have to put the volume up it's pretty funny but fuck it turn it on you think uh we can yeah there we go i'm not going to get sued this is my dad's work the hell works oh you can't you don't have audio on it oh no it's okay don't worry about the audio that serve for him getting ranked down the box you don't have to

get the ball up this opportunity doesn't come around all right he said he said we have to make it last forever yeah one two three don't worry about the audio NFL kickoff on three he said we have to make it last and i could see the wheels turn in his head and he was like fucking just say forever some of these people won't be here here next year. I might, you know, I might, I might be here next year and, you know, maybe the, the producer in the back with the camera might not be here, but we got to make it last forever. So, um, all right. He's the man, dude. I got a best seat for you all. Uh, the Steelers in Baltimore has played this weekend. Armar Jackson threw a pick. It was a pretty sick one-headed

snag from, uh, what's this dude's name? Fucking James. Pierre. Pierre. I can't even read that. James Pierre. Yeah, exactly. Picked off his own cousin in the game. That's pretty good seat to have bragging rights over your cousin. Apparently they're very close. I played high school football together. James Pierre picked off his own cousin. And then, you know, Steelers ended up winning that game. That was a huge play.

It's good seat to have. Good shit. Good shit. It was a good here. I'll show you a screenshot of this pick real fast. Look at that. Little one-handed. Yeah.

One-handed. Yeah. Bunnies. Bunnies. All right, Tanner. Could you imagine if we could see that in action? NFL? How many more people would be like,

yeah, I'll sign up for Red Zone. So, Chris, blank check, James Winston, Bo, James Pierre interception, and Nate has the couple in Rhode Island. Give me blank check James. Yeah, motherfucker. Nolan? Make some money.

I'm doing that couple. I got a free wedding and a half a million dollars. That's unbelievable. I'm going to a couple in Rhode Island. I haven't just been through that process. That's a really nice. A nice gift.

And yeah, couple in Rhode Island. I've been to that area. It is pretty spectacular. So the fact that you get it paid for and get to hang out, that's, that is nice. And the best seat shout out to Devante Smith. He got a juicer. I don't know if you got to sell that clip. Oh, juice.

He's been juicing fruit for four days. That's having the time of his life. Here's the thing, though. He's so accurate because for real, for real, if you juice, like, really good apples, brother's nothing that tastes better than like that type of apple. juice that just like pure just straight apples it takes like he said it probably takes like seven to 10 apples to get a nice glass of juice but that glass of juice is it's immaculate i'm excited to see what his review is on the orange and apple combo combo that he wanted them to do um so they both start

selling juice yeah uh worst seat i got a real let me start this one off you got well i was gonna say we talked about this forever i'm not i'm gonna be fucking quick we're seat should doer standards on the sidelines uh of that brown suit point conversion that's a tough place to be no like you're fucking you're the guy you're the quarterback you've been working all game to put your team in a position to win then you got to watch that bullshit fucking play bad seat you're on the sideline for that that's true chris no go ahead i'll go last worst seat the city of indianapolis i mean to see the way that daniel jones went down after watching watching Halliburton go down in the finals and Caitlin Clark go down this past all this past year in sports.

It's got to be the worst seat. Just it's like teasing. It's like, hey, all the, if you're an indie fan, you're like excited at the beginning of the season. Your teams are doing great. And then your star, the one person that you probably can't go on with, they all get hurt in devastating ways. So worst seat. That's brutal. That's brutal.

He was their football, Caitlin Clark. For sure. For sure. It was wild. It was wild. Why doesn't everybody in the league hate him? Maybe some people do. It was just a good joke.

You guys can laugh. Who hates Caitlin, though? The whole league. They do all the girls? Yeah, I think some of the girls did, like, pretty well-documented. Some of them hated her. It was just a joke. It was just a joke.

Um, okay. So worst seat, I got a shout out, but I also have, um, I also have another one too. The shout out I want to give is to my friend Ginger. Um, she's a, it was an Instagram post that I sent you cowboy. Um, you know, Ginger Miles. Yeah. Uh, Ginger. Ginger posted herself on Instagram today.

Um, she played lacrosse with my wife. And she's a huge commanders fan and traveled all the way to Minnesota for this game. And I think she put the curb music in the background or maybe it was Sarah McLaughlin, something like that. But this is a, I'm sorry, Ginger, you went through that and paid good money to go to that game. It doesn't look like you came with any friends either. It's just a wild deal. I'm glad you got the shades on. God, I had a worse seat.

and then I forgot it. Golly, what was the worst seat I had? Man, I'll remember it. Why don't you guys just vote? And then I'll come back in two minutes and you'll be like, fuck, man, I should have voted for that. Was it being a UVA fan and watching you guys. No, I have, no.

That's my next one. That's my next one. I don't remember. Just start the problem. I don't need one. I had one. Yeah, I had one. I think I know what you wanted.

Let's see. Oh, yeah, you said text thread. Did you have something to do with the text thread? I don't know. No, put that up. Reed, you got it? I don't know where my phone is. It's just...

What do you got, guys? Go on. I don't remember. What are we on? No. Worst seat. No, no, we got a vote. I had a really creative one.

Bo had Shador Sanders on the Soutland. Two-point, Nates, the city of Indianapolis. Nolan. I'm going with ginger she flew to that game golly that's terrible that's brutal

Minnesota's beautiful this time of year what are you talking about what the fuck how cold is it in Minnesota right now fucking freezing it was cold this week I got to look at it my parents were bitching about it today

what happened in this group oh yeah this is 20 degrees it's not terrible can enhance but this was after the this was after the This was Saturday night after UVA took the L. Tanner texted, that will happen, but fuck it.

Let's go Dukes. And then Nate, at two in the morning, well after the conversation had ended. Tanner, you never root for UVA. I hope JMU gets embarrassed, honestly. Yeah, there's just a lot of like... Facts went back to it, too. I brought it back up like an hour later again. Yeah, there's a lot.

There's sometimes some of that. I was at the UVA tech game and facts wasn't. I'd like to point that out. But you weren't there to root for UVA. Not true. I was in the UVA section, high-five, and everybody. Isn't it interesting all these little rivalries pop up and the common denominators, everybody's in a rivalry with you about sports?

With me? Yeah. Yeah, and I don't like it. No, I know. I don't either. Like I don't like it. I feel like you guys. I'm making a different point.

I'm making a different point. No, I'm not the instigator. No, not at all. You text me at two-easter. Two I am to wish your team loses in the college football. Because Tanner, nonstop, he's not stop. He went to the Virginia game a week or two. Bro, throughout the year, nonstop.

He was so excited after the game. He's the biggest Virginia hater. He gives Reed shit for even saying anything nice about UVA. Non-stop. Rick says we. That's what I give him shit about it. He says we about UVA and he did not go there. That's what I give him shit about.

Hey, I do we. He did we yesterday. I do we for UVA and GMU, you know? A. How was that worst seat for Reed the other night watching UVA? He didn't know who to root for. Yeah, I was puckered. But hey, real team came out.

And we're going to vote for the worst seat now. I'm going to remember it right as you fucking say it too. All right, Beau Shador Sanders, Nate, city of Indianapolis, Chris Commander's fan. You voted for Ginger. Tanner, your vote. I'm voting for Indy. Nate won me over. Yep.

The whole city. Yeah. The whole city of Indianapolis, taking a few L's. Nate's running away with this one. I don't think I've won a single one. Goddust it. This is Nate's Day, man. Yep.

You guys conspiring with Peter, Peter J. Parrish? Yeah, actually, because Nolan is Peter B. Parrish, so he told us. Yeah, we had a buddy calling. Yeah. I've been suspecting that. Hello, man. I got a really funny worst seat that just popped in my head, but I don't think I can say it. Okay.

Oh, Hollow Man? Hollow Man. Or woman. Two, yeah, we want to make sure. Two, the multiple-time MVPs that are playing in this game, Hollow Men, Lamar Jackson, and Patrick Mahomes, you know? Hey, listen, there's a reason you said I was like a Patrick Mahomes' stand last year because he was playing good football. He didn't play good football this year, you know?

and the same thing with Lamar Jackson. Both those guys coming up empty, both losing, both behind the eight ball and the AFC playoff race. Only two-time MVP's in the league right now. Yikes. Hollow man, I'm giving it to Mark Jackson on the tail end of a bad play at the end of the game for the Ravens.

Mark Andrews? I like Mark Jackson. Mark Andrews. That's so funny. Mark Andrews. What did you mean? Mark Jackson used to say when he called games. What was his big tag? Wait.

Hand down. Man down. It's kind of the same thing, dude. Put your fucking hand down, dude. Put your hand down. Man, man, oh man. Just thinking about Mark Andrews and just the past year and a half with him and the Ravens and kind of some of these blooperish, whatever type plays that kind of cost them games

or big plays that help contribute to them. losing i just feel like you just got to feel you got to feel hollow like you do have to feel hollow it's just like damn like i didn't catch this past and then when i see the replay it wasn't even meant for me he's got paid this week too who did mark injure oh he did yeah oh man big old bag so it's just like and for someone like that like obviously they paid me my money but like that'd probably make you feel a little bit hollow too like everyone oh yeah everyone's gonna be pissed that i just got paid that's right this happened so oh man mark andrews is my hollow man beau my hollam man i don't know if you guys had the pleasure of tuning into nfl red

zone yesterday but my hollow man is the uh nfl red zone audio technician dude if you guys have ever seen dumb and dumber you know and he's like you want to hear the most annoying noise in the world that is what was going on with fucking nfl red zone yesterday it was brutal usually i like red zone kind of cooling off a little bit because now it's no longer ad-free. That's bullshit in my mind. And now they've got these audio noises that I just personally cannot handle. So if you're the audio technician for NFL Red Zone, fuck you. We have to study the downfall of Red Zone because at the beginning of the season of this season.

15-second commercial. Yeah, Adamceptor's like, it's going to add up to 0.000-0-0-0-0-4% of your watch time. And now it's a healthy amount of your watch time. You all trusted Adam Schaefter with pro big TV fucking talking points? Yeah, I missed that one. All they had to do is do nothing. Fred's only had a great product. It's crazy, right?

Hansen being like, I know you don't like it, but like, let's see if we can. Let's try it. Let's try it, guys. If it doesn't work, you don't have to come back. If it doesn't work, we'll just add more. You know, you might have to just pick a game and watch it. All right, we're going to vote. We're a Hollow Man.

Do people in Red Zone think all the quarterbacks play really well? Yes. They must. Yeah, because they score touchdown. All I see. All these guys do is score. Man, they're just scoring touchdown. The guy is.

That team, like, come on, bro. It's like your buddy. It's like your buddy only sends you like, bet slips when he wins. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This guy's incredible.

This guy's incredible. Yep. Like, what? I'll tell you what. I would have been sending some bet slips out in the 1 p.m. some pretty ugly deals. I was hurting yesterday. Okay.

My vote for Hollow Man is the Red Zone audio guy because everyone was talking about him. He was freaked. Yeah, I'm going to, I'm right there with you. Audio guy. That sucks when that happens. Everybody's looking at you. I'm casting a vote for the 210 MVP's.

Well, it doesn't matter. It's two to one. I mean, how will those Reds? Yeah, I got one. I'm on the board. Legacy is affected? Within his, within Reds. likely yeah everyone knows yo john the hell's your problem man not getting another gig john

what the hell i guess maybe perhaps his job security i was just about to say because they could probably definitely track in real time how many people turn the channel once that shit was going on and i mean that's on your resume now forever that oh your last job was red zone what happened what was the last thing you remember that day why is the last thing on your resume red zone STL Memorial, Chris. I want to shout out Grayson and Jeff. I showed them out last night on the live show. They just got married.

And you might think when you see that you get an invitation to a wedding that scheduled the same day as an ACC championship, that's a really bad thing. But actually, in this case, it turned out to be a really good thing. So I want to thank them for scheduling their wedding as UVA people on the weekend of the ACC championship, because it was a lovely one. wedding and I think they're wonderful people and I enjoyed the wedding a great deal but it kept me

from traveling to Charlotte and I got to watch the end of that game from the safety of my own bedroom. I wasn't in Charlotte on site like Macon who easily could have been a worse flight. He said he probably had upwards of 20 beers and for him that's like going to put him on IR for three weeks dude. That could have been a really rough deal. Thank you all for keeping me in Charlottesville. Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations. Joe? Bo?

Uh, STL Memorial. I got JJ McCarthy. I was very critical of him a couple weeks ago. He played really well. Talked about it, but we did the Vikings breakdown a little bit. He scored 31 points. He looked very comfortable. He's kind of slanging that thing.

Three touchdowns, 106, 3 yards. Good shit, 9. You got that dog in you. But Nate. I am giving it to my guy, T.Law, Trevor Lour is with the W. you 244 passing yards, two TDs, and is out there just looking great, getting all the haters off our backs in Jacksonville.

And we are on this playoff push in first place right now. What was that? Feeling good, looking good. This is a STL Memorial? Yes. Dude, everybody saw that. What's that? His performance yesterday, and they should have.

I just pointed that out. What's that? Sure. Everyone saw, everyone did not. see Trevor Lawrence's performance yesterday it was amazing I just wanted to say that okay it's are we done with that see no it's your where you could pick yours I already gave mine oh Nolan where's your vote I mean I go JJ that's bullshit going to get a performance how you go to wear the Trevor Matt like him JJ the

Trevor wig and pick a gift so that's crazy that's pretty good tenor it's a Nesil Memorial what isn't Trevor like that's a guess his best flight wasn't a flight either. Why didn't you give him the game ball? That's not like obvious. That's literally what I'm doing in a minute. The game ball? Yeah, I'm giving it the game ball. It's going to be a big, hey. Josh Allen in the game ball. That's why.

What? Because I'm giving Josh Allen the game ball. That's cool. We can, we can swap. I think you're going to like you're going to like having Josh Allen as your quarterback just in a moment of levity here. So game balls. Who won? This is funny.

Jay J.J. McCrhyth. What? Yeah. Yeah. All right. That's crazy, dude. Yeah, that's, I'm, I didn't get to vote. I would have voted for you.

Thank you. It's some creativity to it. Exactly. But, like, you know. We've already talked about J.J. McCarthy. Oh, yeah. I got this, I don't know if you know that I'm from Minnesota, but, you know, I've never said that before,

but J.J. McCarthy played well yesterday. I don't know if anybody knew that. I've never said that I'm from Minnesota. People don't know that I'm from Minnesota. What are you put in the chat real quick? Remember. we went to Minnesota and we were interviewing Harrison Smith. Yeah.

The way he looked at me. It was so funny. He's like, I don't care that you're like out of here. Like every question. It was like he was like, so as a guy from Minnesota, tell me about how great it is to live here. And Harrison was like, dude, I've been here like a decade. Harrison Smith, man, he wouldn't shut up about it. He probably went for like four hours during that pod talking about Minnesota. I mean, that's a guy that couldn't really talk. So can I do game ball. Are we on game?

Please. All right. I got to give my game ball to Damiko Rines. Texans are 8 and 5. They have such a fucking good defense. Their defense is so fun to watch. But it's always interesting when guys you play with are, you know, coaches. Like, it's wild.

Like he was such a good teammate to have. And he's got a fucking great smile. He gave his players off to Wednesday. Texans are kind of rolling. So Demeke, Domek O'Reilly, Meeke, love you, baby. Game ball. You're the best. Game ball.

I'm giving my game ball to the best coach in the NFL right now. Liam Cohen. Liam Cohen getting the Jacksonville Jaguars turned around. He made it. He made a point to get in his quarterback's face a few weeks ago. And if you guys look up stats, Trevor has been playing just as good as any top quarterback in the league these past few weeks. and we are rolling into the back half of the season, feeling great, and that is all hats off to Liam Cohen,

got that team down there in Jacksonville, fired up, ready to go. First place, AFC is about to, the ASC South runs through Jacksonville. I've been saying it the whole year. You've been saying it. And it's still, if not before it wasn't, now it's actually true. So now what we have to do, just keep. We control everything. And I think, like I said, game ball going to, going to Liam Cohen,

he has this team ready for all the success we're about to have. Game ball, Liam Cohen. I'd like to give mine to both of them. Say it. Say it. Say it. No. I'm giving mine to Trevor Lawrence, man.

You know, it's the... What? I wrote both of them. Did you write both? I could have easily got you, dude. I wrote it. Yeah, well, both. Now write both of these nuts.

Well, I know what it is. Yeah, okay. Why are you writing it in the dock? Well, because I thought it was your vote. No. You said it. No. You said it.

No. Mine's Trevor Lawrence. Just one of the best players on the field yesterday and made all the throws in the rain, dude. And some of the guys dropped some of the passes, too, which has been a theme. all year long, but at least in the rain yesterday, I kind of understood why guys that were having to play with no gloves and that sort of thing.

So what do Jags' non-believers want to see? That. Like, that's it. You do that? The team's very good. I think the team's very good. So game ball, Trevor Lawrence. Boom.

All right. Tanner, where's your vote lie? I like Liam Cohen. Liam Cohen? All right. I like him. I'm going to Miko Ryans. Oh, tough of no.

I'm going Trevor Lawrence Oh Everybody gets a point And that means your boy wins Socialism Oh We all get a point when we tie

Yeah That's interesting I didn't think that through What yeah In designing the voting mechanism Yeah shouldn't it just be a push Hmm No everyone gets the point

It's the same thing He wins He wins He wins He can't lose He can't lose. But at point. I win the damn game.

How do we... We're going to have to figure that one out. Yeah, we're going to have to... I'm not worried about that right now. I was going to say, how do we talk about Monday Night Football? I'd like to exercise my Fifth Amendment. Oh, boy. We'll first talk about BetmGM.

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I always like the under, primetime unders. Chargers defense, very good at home. And the Eagles, obviously had their fair share of struggles. I think the Chargers can play a lot of zone and kind of make the Eagles look like they look at times this year in the passing game. So I see this being kind of 21-17 to 24-20 kind of game. You know, I know that would hit the over,

but I kind of like the under in this game. 41.5 is the total. Eagles favored by two and a half points. Jalen Phillips, Nolan Smith. that Jay looks not those guys got to dominate for the Eagles against these these tackles for the chargers yeah boom yeah thanks everyone for being here thank you chat have a great day everybody have a great day