Green Light with Chris Long - Peter Schrager! NFL Coaching Vacancies & Brian Flores. ESPN NFL Draft Analyst Jordan Reid on 2021 Draft & Georgia National Champions.

Episode Date: January 12, 2022

(2:55) - Hello, Layup Line and Georgia Wins the 2022 CFB National Championship. (16:02) - Predictions of Visionary Baba Vanga. (23:48) - Peter Schrager on Raiders vs Chargers, NFL Coaching Vacancies and Potential Hires, NFL Wildcard Lookahead and NFL Award Predictions. (1:04:15) - Joe Judge Fired by the New York Giants and Some Green Light Thank You's. (1:13:20) - ESPN NFL Draft Analyst Jordan Reid on the Best Players in the 2022 CFB Championship, 2022 NFL Draft, Jacksonville’s Decision at #1 Overall and Who is in a Better Drafting Position - New York Giants or Philadelphia Eagles? Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. http://bit.ly/chalknetwork Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And in Michigan, 1-800-0-7-1-17. Tennessee, y'all too. 1-8009-9-8789. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. Cowboy. We'll have Peter from Good Morning Football in NFL. network on to talk Raiders versus Chargers, NFL coaching vacancies and potential hires,

wildcard weekend look ahead, biggest matchups, biggest games. And Peter gives his NFL award predictions. Go through MVP, offensive rookie, defensive rookie, head coach, and the whole nine. Chris and Macon also taught college football national championship, talk Joe Judge, a sore spot for Macon, or an exciting spot. And we have ESPN draft analyst Jordan Reed. He's going to go through all the college football players, all the draft eligible football players in the national championship from a couple nights ago where they might fall in the draft. Who is the best chance to go in number one? So hang around for that one.

That'll be at the end and enjoy. Blackshear, Georgia. Home of Stetson Bennett. I'm not sure if he knows this morning. I mean, good morning, America. That was incredible. I've always thought about that when I was a younger player. Like, hey, if I ever win a Super Bowl or something, what's that going to be like?

and will I have to go on TV in the morning like those people do? And how do those people go on TV in the morning? Of all the, think about how rare that is for a got to look fucked up on TV in the morning after a late night game that they won a national championship.

They haven't been sleeping and most guys do a pretty good job on TV. Only a few of those guys are of age. I'll leave that alone. The sports information director is usually an adult who looks out for the kids. You can't tell Stetson Bennett to like, hey you got to go on good morning America tomorrow morning like keep it under control no chance but

you could say hey good morning America Stetson's a little under the weather this morning or how about good morning America just being aware that the kid's going to be three sheets to the wind at like 9 a.m. Is there a good afternoon America? I don't know but I love this kid from his from his post game interview he was so dry he was just like I don't know like I don't really know how to answer that question I'm just happy you know like kind of like, I'm not going down that road, but this is great. And what a story. Yeah.

Well, the turnover, they asked him about the turnover. He said, well, I came back from that because if I didn't, we were going to lose. Yeah. It was very literal. It's as simple as that. Had no choice. Yeah. I like that guy.

He's really dry. I say we hire him. Yeah. That is, of course, unless he goes top five in the draft after that performance, had Georgia and had the under. and I know he started crying immediately when that ball was picked at the end of the game as to do you I started crying too

but I was doing fast math like in my head trying to make sure we were still under 54 as this kid is jogging into the end zone I was rooting for the Georgia Bulldogs yeah I also had Alabama plus 10 and a half okay that sucked and an over of 46

so teased dog you're the teased god I'm the teased got on the T's dog. I took the night off teasing. And so that last drive where Alabama's finally taking timeouts and trying to heave it into the end zone but getting sacked before they can they can get a throw off was very significant to me. So I was a loser on the windbed app but but happy for the very happy for the Georgia Bulldogs. Happy for America dude. This is one of those situations where the quote unquote good guys win. I got nothing against Bama. I have a tremendous amount of respect for what they built down there. Nick Sabin just as gracious and defeat.

talking about his players, Will Anderson and Bryce Young, like two guys that left out all out on the field. And that entire team full of amateur athletes, because they're still technically amateurs, are they not? Yeah, good question. That entire field full of amateur athletes provided us with a great deal of entertainment. That was an extremely hard-fought football game.

I mean, like, I would take them all like that. For a while it was 9 to 6. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. I don't think Bryce Young stepped into a single throw all night. Like Georgia was downhill all night. Whatever adjustments they made bringing pressure, their pressures were surgical. And I mean no disrespect,

but it's good to know that not every Alabama receiver is the next coming of Fred Bolitnikoff. Now, a kid who was just at prom dropped a ball on national TV in the biggest stage, on the biggest stage, and honestly, I think that's where they lost that game. for sure but then he came back and made a great play later so shout out to him for being resilient shout out stenson bennett for being resilient like these are kids that i have nothing but the utmost

respect for these guys just played their asses off last night and the only travesty is that as i tweeted that bloodbath didn't happen outside no doubt smoke coming steam coming off of guys heads uh with grass stains on people's jerseys like if that was played in cleveland last night it would have been epic. I agree with you. I mean, it's just a travesty that that speedy turf that actually took Jameson Williams was the thing we had to watch that

that defensive. It was really a dogfight is what it was. Layup line. We've got the Bonaroo lineup out. Cowboy, what do you see that you like? Mountain Joy will be a good one. Billy Strings is the number one Drar and I think Jay Cole will be pretty good in concert.

Yeah, Jay Cole is cool. I saw Jay Cole in Charlottesville like at the pavilion before. I don't know if you remember when he came to town. This must have been like 10, 12 years ago. Billy Strings and I'm really excited about war on drugs. So I'll go war on drugs for layup line. You know, you take your pick here. Lost in the Dream, deeper understanding, slave ambient, future weather.

I mean, like these are all albums with barely any skips. Did you say future weather? Yeah, future weather. I like that a lot. Yeah. I'll go under pressure. Under the pressure. David.

No, under the pressure. That was the way they differentiated that song from David Bowie. But take your pick. The entire Lost in the Dream album's awesome. And I saw him once in Mexico at one big holiday for Jacket. I would look forward to seeing them again at Bonner. But I got to say this. I got to dig into this.

line up a little bit more before I get really excited. Oh, okay. Yeah. I'm getting older. They keep staying the same age. That is true. Fans. Yeah.

I do want to say this, Jordan Davis, like that's the worst draw possible if you're a defensive end. If you're like a six tech or a seven tech and you're in short yardage and you're like, let me get down and see what they're going to run here. Why is Jordan Davis on the field? Surely they're going to put him at it full back. When I heard Jordan Davis was out there, I was like, okay, they're going to put the big guy at fullback. They put him at tight end, and he caved the entire left side of that line.

That kid is otherworldly. Here's the debate that raged on last night. The fumble, right? Yes. Which I don't know why this was so difficult for people to differentiate between two circumstances that unfolded in the first quarter with Jordan Davis sacking Bryce Young or near sacking Bryce Young and complete pass. to Stetson Bennett, you know, losing the football in, I believe, the beginning of the fourth quarter before the dogs went and scored three touchdowns and seven minutes.

The officials, this time from the esteemed Atlantic Coast Conference, are coached to let it play out. You kind of reverse jinxed them, though. Hey, they ended up giving things right. Given the benefit of replay, clear as day that they, that both calls ultimately were right, an incomplete pass from Bryce Young and a fumble from Stets and Bennett. And incredibly, the recovery, which like when I saw it in real time, I initially thought not a fumble, this is coming back.

And regardless, it's okay because the ball went out of bounds, right? Like the kid from Bama was nonchalantly was the word that kept being used, like just running to the sideline, grabbing the ball. His foot was a millimeter from being on the white line. I mean, Bama is living right. And if you've never heard that term, it's just good karma for them to recover that football, not even really trying to play the play out. But yeah, Bryce Young, the reason that Bryce Young's throw is not a fumble is because he has control of that football.

I can tell you where all his fingers are on that football. He's controlling it. And even though he has his arm pin, he's propelling it forward by throwing it with his forearm. I had a few people telling me that was impossible. Do this. Pin your elbow to the ground or the chair that you're sitting in and move your forearm without moving your bicep. Can be done. Yep.

You can even do it with your wrist. Confirmed. Doesn't even need his forearm. So there's that, and that's an incomplete pass. It's actually he's looking at a receiver. And then there's Stets and Bennett, and the balls, by the time he releases it, it goes forward,

but the nose of the football is dancing on his palm, basically. So that's why those two calls are different. And after the fumble, it's 13, 12, Georgia. Bama barely scores. It was first and 10 to the 16. Then they had that third and goal where Bryce Young rolls out to him.

right and waits a long time before finding that receiver in the end zone. Don't get the two-pointer and then Georgia comes back four plays 75 yards in two minutes. That's right. To retake the lead 19, 18 with eight minutes to go in the fourth quarter. And the two-point

conversion was huge for people that had the dogs two and a half because it allowed the dogs to cover on their next touchdown. So that was a big deal. That was a big deal. It was a wild, wild game and I think we got our money's And Stetsett's Bettett's going to give his money's worth.

We're going to donate to his fund. Reed, you got the information on that because we want to hire Stetson Bennett to do something. We want to have him on the show. I just think the guy's going places. I'm not the only one today. It's the DGD Fund. He founded it with a couple of his teammates. Each of the players got to choose a charity that their funds would go to,

and he chose the Boys and Girls Club of America, which I know is close to you. I love that. Yeah. Yeah, and shout out to Dilo. DeLo does a lot of Boys and Girls Club stuff too. So it was kind of sexist to you, Matt. But like, we're going to donate to the DGD fund in Stetson Bennett's honor. You guys should ask Jordan Reed, who we have coming on later in the show about some of the guys from this game.

I think we will. I think, uh, yeah, Jordan Reed from ESPN is going to be joining us. He's awesome. He's a young up-and-comer in that world. Maybe the next Mel Kiper. Eats film. Eats film. Just fucking.

Fork. Knife film. Like old film too. Like the canisters. Like the 8 millimeter stuff. Is that what it is 8 millimeter? Yeah, celluloid. Celluloid?

Not to be confused with cellulite. All right, we'll have him on and he'll be probably a tail end of the show. We'll talk a little bit of NFL draft. And because that's pretty soon. Before you know it, the playoffs are about to start. But you know how this sports calendar goes. Like, before you know it, this is going to be over. And we're just going to be talking about the draft.

for a few months. So get a little head start, listen to Jordan Reed on the back end. We're going to talk about some of the talent on the field during that game a couple nights ago. And Peter Schrager from Good Morning Football is going to join us here shortly. We're going to talk about all the coaching stuff. The coaching stuff.

I'll put it that way. Some ball games, too. The most sourced human being with regard to the NFL on the planet. He does have a lot of sources. I'm going to say this off the top before we even have Schreger on. I think the firing of Brian Flores is stupid. I think it's stupid.

Let me join the crowd. It's really dumb. It seemed to be a power struggle with Chris Greer, general manager, Miami. Yeah, I think it's dumb. And I just heard that they're interviewing Dan Quinn, who's a fine coach, but you had a fine coach who majors in the same thing. And, you know, like if somebody's got to go through a meeting and what it takes is acting like you like Tua, like you're sold on Tua, is that going to be the litmus test? because that was the reason I believe that B-Flo is out the dough. And if B-Flo is going from, say, Miami Gardens, Florida,

and I know not everyone will agree with me, to a Chicago or a Denver or Minneapolis, you think it's all better cities. Better than a lateral move. Also, Gerard Mayo, his name has been, you know, again, like Patriots, young coaches, former player from our draft class. stud, Kigatan, Virginia,

University of Tennessee, New England Patriot, and he got into coaching right away. I ran into Gerard when I was a patriot and it was just wild. Like, you know you're getting old when some of the guys that you consider your classmates and people that you played with

or doing big boy things like getting head coaching jobs. Not to say he's going to get a job, but it's fun to see his name in the mix. Were you kind to enough people that you could go get a job on his staff this next year? I don't know that I could.

I honestly don't know that I could. I thought about that before. Because you do that, you're good at it. Decade from now, you could be Dan Campbell. Which makes no sense. I don't think I deserve to be a coach in the NFL. I'm too much of a fuck off.

But I know I could do it. And Thursday, we can look ahead to kind of drudging up some of our old predictions. They're probably not great. I don't know, cowboy. Don't tell me. Hit and misses. The preseason predictions.

We'll revisit those. We'll hold ourselves accountable. Speaking of, there's a woman, there's some sort of, like a clairvoyant lady in the Balkans who I just, I was just reading about, clairvoyants make ghost noises. I was just reading about this woman in the Balkans

that says we're pretty much going to be toast next year. So this is probably the last NFL season. And that woman you're talking about is Baba Vanga. She has six prophecies for this year. One is another pandemic. Hmm. We're already like, I feel like we're doing that every couple months. There's a, there's a delta cron. Really? Yeah, dude. Did we run out of Greek letters? So her pandemic, it's a, it will be discovered in Siberia. It's a frozen virus. Yeah, climate change. That will be released. That's a, that's a, right? She also says

many cities will be hit by water shortages with political consequences and aliens will invade the planet sending an asteroid to seek out life. I love the fact that she went through like things that are already happening

like number one, Baba Vanga, like pandemics here. It's proliferating all the time. It's changing. Number two, water shortages. I have a water charity. Number three, aliens riding an asteroid into our ozone and just butt-fucking the planet. Her predictions are 85% accurate. What the fuck?

What do you mean? When you do a little digging, it's not so much. She's nicknamed the Nostradamus of the Balkans. Her visions are said to be 85% correct and include the Chernobyl tragedy, the death of Princess Diana, and the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Who'd she have for defensive rookie of the year? If she didn't have Michael Parsons, she's a fraud. Well, no offense.

Rest in peace. I think she's no longer with us. She also said there's going to be a virtual reality takeover in 2022. It's already a virtual reality takeover, I feel like. She's deceased? I think so. So she has been predicting these things correctly? I think she died.

Is she dead, Reed? No, I think she's still alive. Oh, she just looks really old. She's blind. by the way. Huh. Does all this blind. Well,

blind people have ideas. No, I know they do. Her later visions include Earth's orbit changing in 2023. Astronauts traveling to Venus in 28. In 2046, people will live

for more than 100 years due to Oregon transplants. Oh, God. Well, we're already there. Did you see the thing about the pig heart? Yeah. Why'd you laugh that in the text?

Why did I laugh? Yeah. I hide it. Because it's funny because motherfuckers gonna be walking around with pig hearts. You gotta admit

there's something funny about that. Oh, I thought it was beautiful. I love science. Oh, I love it too. That'll do science. It's not funny if you're a pig.

Yeah. Damn. Aren't they fake pigs? Like they created the pig just to build the heart. I don't really know how things work. But 2046, that's bad news for us.

46 and 50. We're going to be early 60s. So we're fine, dude. We're going to live in. into, they said you're going to live into your hundreds. Yeah, I know. I'm saying that's the problem. You want to die. Yeah. Yeah.

You got a whole other issue. So, Baba Vanga did pass away in 1996. She just wrote these down on her deathbed or something. Well, then that's very impressive. But we're also 20 some odd years off on her untimely passing. Gone too soon. she said in 2100 that night would disappear and artificial sunlight would illuminate

another part of earth so cowboy she said in 2022 there's going to be another pandemic did she say there's going to be a pandemic in 2019 unclear unclear oh unclear baba vanga no offense but fuck you can't skip 2019 I buy the alien thing for sure though

it's time bring it on believe that she predicted the day and time of her death. That's what they believe. Yeah. I love it. A lot of these are believed to be or said to be. Like, this is folklore.

Hey, say your death date. My death date? Yeah. I think it's probably 2081. Oh. I'm going to need a date as well. Oh, like January 17th. you think you're going to be 96 years old 95 probably i mean i'm not supposed to be by today's

standards if i wasn't you know i would die super early because of my profession and everything my height you know january 17th i'm not looking at anything january 17th is the birth date of uh betty white and mohammed ali that's pretty good good for you you know a lot of birthdays but i think uh 20081 january 17 okay if you're right we're going to go super viral that day Dude, that day our show is going to get so many spins. My grandchildren are going to be like, motherfucker. I'm going to do November the 11th, 2005. I'm going to find a new co-host, huh?

Yeah. Yeah, three more decades of me. I'm going to set the bar low and go January 31st, 2022. As long as it doesn't happen before then, I'm chilling. Wow. That's really morbid, man. We've got 20 days with Kingston. That's enough of that.

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Did you wear jeans? A gray gene. Yeah. A couple weeks back. A gray gene doesn't count. And it might have been in December. Shragues, when my dad was in his prime in the 90s, this is all he wore. war. Yeah. Just denim everywhere. Overalls. Couches. We have a denim couch, dude. There was a point

where Howie was like, I think I want to sit on my denim couch with my tuxedo. Bro, I bought this hat. This is a denim hat I've been rocking. Okay. So I'm going to wear this. Yeah, look at that denim hat. That's sick. I'll wear a denim hat. That's got a, it's got a piece of corn pumping iron. So I'm in. You are so Midwestern with that denim hat with corn. You guys can't see it. I'm wearing a denim boxer briefs at the moment. There you go. I'm glad we can't see it.

No, but you know what? It's funny. You didn't see this, but Trevor Lawrence rolled into the stadium in all denim, and these guys were talking about it on Good Morning Football. That's why they won the game. Yeah, he's fashion forward. He's fashion forward.

And so are we in the month of January. So it's a good day to start it. We got Peter Schrager here. One of my favorites. And the first question that my esteemed co-host really wants me to ask is, like, what do people really think in NFL circle? I'm not talking about NFL Twitter.

I'm talking about executives, coaches. What have you heard around the league in the wake of the Brandon Staley tie gate? I think there's a lot of rolled eyes early on in the season when Staley was going for it on fourth down and was doing a lot of, you know, Uber aggressive stuff where it was like, guys, that's no different than any other coach. It's just that he's leaning into it. And he said, I'll take the smoke and I'll bring the smoke. And I think that may be real people wrong.

But the more and more, you know, I critique the hell out of it on Monday morning. And in real time, Alan Chris were like, what is that time out? But the more and more you're hearing, it's that, hey, they're in a shotgun. We don't have the right personnel. They're going to put up your, they're going to be, they're going for it. Look, they ran the ball the last two times. They're not dilly dallying. They're going for it.

If they were in a formation where they were going to take a knee, that was one thing. But I think a lot of people are giving Staley the benefit of the doubt in this and saying anything short of realizing that he just wanted the best personnel in there is not doing him justice. But in real time, it sure didn't seem like the Raiders were in a rush. And it sure seemed like that timeout, pissed them off and said, you know what? Fuck it. Let's go for it. But it sounds like a lot of people around the league were like, no, no, no, no. That was the right call because he didn't like what he had. And let's get the right guys in. Well, it's so funny because there's so many angles to this, the number one thing that we all forgot about is that the Raiders

and the Chargers don't like each other. So if you have an opportunity to bury a division opponent, you can do that. Now, depending on what you want to do with the seating and all those calculations are probably occurring in Basatchi's head at that moment. But, you know, I think and people made this point. We've made it on Sunday night. The big takeaways, the charges defense is so bad. They couldn't even get a stop when they weren't trying to move the ball down the field through the air. And, you know, you get an explosive play on a handoff that sets up this thing. So, and I, has anybody asked Staley directly what he was trying to do? Yeah, and he said that after the game, but he was so beaten down. And I don't blame them for being so exhausted. I mean, that, that fourth quarter and

overtime. I thought some true heart was shown by a lot of those players. Like the wide outs, I know it's a wide receiver position, but like to see Williams and Palmer being going down 60, you know, 30 yards back to the huddle. And then Crosby just did not stop. He loves. He is just, he's relentless. I mean, it's the one word. That's the one word. It's the best compliment you can give a pass rusher is relentless. I felt so bad for that storm Norton number 74. And it's like, it was just coming every and he doesn't. So all that and then you put the head coach in that position. And then after that. after the game, he said, I called a timeout because I looked at what I had on the field.

They were in the shotgun, and I didn't think we were able to stop them with what we had. So they made a couple substitutions. They come out differently, and then Jacobs runs for 10 yards, and they boot the field goal. But I think if Basaccia took a knee or they were in that, that would have been it. They would have gone off the play. But because he was in that shotgun, he didn't like what he saw, and he called the timeout. There you go. Is that satisfactory for you?

You weren't here Sunday night. It is satisfactory. I give you 30 seconds to vent. No, there's no vent. Well, clearly we were, all of America was rooting for a tie. But it makes sense. No, not all. Some had the charges over win total.

They were going to snap the ball on second and 11 from wherever they were. Yeah. And that answer makes perfect sense to me. Okay. Time out. We're going to move on then. They can't give up 10 yards to Josh Jacobs. And then Carlson's automatic from 47.

Automatic. He went nine for nine on lead changing field goal attempts with less than two minutes ago in the fourth. quarter or overtime this year. It's the most in history. The more interesting question, now that we've settled that to me, is does Rich Besatia actually have in his head, let the clock run out and we're going to Arrowhead? Yeah. Or kick the field goal. I think he probably does. I think he probably does. I do. And I think that like, I said this. If Staley had decided that he was going to tie, this is all, or it wasn't going to tie. Like we, we don't tie a Dayton, you know, that whole thing. If he made that decision, there was counseling.

involved. Like he did he check with with Spanos. He checked with the higher ups. Like so yeah, I don't think it went rogue to make that decision. I spoke to sources within the Chargers organization the daily after the Jaguars beat the cults. I texted a source in the Chargers organization pretty high up one and his thing was like dude even if it makes sense on paper which you analysts think is what we could never trust them. Yeah. It's the Raiders. So even if our heads were like let's agree to kind of go at the last play There's no guarantee that car wouldn't just pretend to pick a key. Shadowy figures.

Go Marino and throw it deep, right? Like, they can't trust them. So I think it was easier for both sides just to say, F the other side. Let's just go try to win. So my question is this then. I mean, like I saw Fangio's name floated in a few places. And we are pro Vic Fangio.

And I think like when a coach gets fired, it's rare that you see the kind of unanimous kind of respect that he has as a football guy. He might just be a step slow as a head coach. And that's fine. He's a he in my generation. He's a legendary D coordinator. Is are the Chargers in play there? I saw their name floated and how does that work?

You deal with this stuff behind the scenes a lot. You have a defensive head coach and there's a hot name on the on the market as a defensive coordinator. Like how does that equation work and is he really in the mix for that job? Well, it's funny because I came out on Friday before the game and it was like, you know, for all the shit that McVeigh's coaching tree got, whether it be, hey, they hire I heard Zach Taylor because he had a cup of coffee with McVeigh, or they hired LaFloor. I'm like, LaFloor won the division.

Zach Taylor won the division. Brandon Staley is a game away. And I got a lot of feedback from around the league saying, no, no, no, no, no, no. Brandon Staley ain't no McVeigh tree. Brandon Staley is a Vic Fangio tree because Brandon Staley spent time with Fangio in Chicago, then time with Fangio in Denver. It was the outside linebackers coach for Denver, which was giving McVe Fits. He could not beat that Fangio defense the first couple of years.

And he's like, I want whatever's on that. So that's the. that's the relationship there. Vic and Brandon are almost like mentor and mentee. So with that situation, I think that's unique. But very rarely do you see a defensive head coach go out and hire a guy who is as established as Fangio unless they have that relationship. So there you go. That makes sense and something to keep your eye on because I mean, I feel like that defense is ironically what needs to get fixed. You're sitting on a gold mine. And the one thing about the tie is if you were playing to win and you shot yourself in the foot, you know, in the spirit of

football, it's still, we're robbed of Justin Herbert in the postseason, and that's one more year that you wasted with this kid on his rookie deal. This weekend coming up, a slate that does not involve, sadly, Justin Herbert. Is there a game you're most excited to see? Is there one that besides Pittsburgh, Kansas City, that you're least excited to see? Yeah, styles make fights. I think the, the Cowboys and the 49ers, besides the logos, just the different styles. It's like the Cowboys might fancy themselves. It's like an in the trenches team. No, the Niners are in the trenches team that are going to beat you up with the run game and with Debo and with use check.

And then, of course, with Trent Williams, so I think is coming back. And on the other side, then the Niners, if they're susceptible to anything, it's like you can throw on them. And if Dak and Lamb and Amari are clicking, I think it's going to be really interesting to see who dictates the style of that game. And it's, you know, Chris, you get it. When you see those two logos. Oh, we said it. It's like nostalgia. It's a drug.

It's what we grew up on. Yeah, we grew up. Yeah, a lot of these matches, a lot of these teams, the NFL, they're bringing some old fan bases back in the fold here. I mean, there's some fun, like, kind of charter kind of vibe franchises that are vying for big, you know, big, big games this weekend. Yeah, I think we said on our show today that this is the first time the, okay, the Bengals have not won a playoff game. since 1990 and it was boomer asyacin versus cody carlson and the oilers and the raiders haven't won us playoff game since 2002 we're talking like that's not just like a couple of years here we're talking giant so one of those teams will win one but like i grew up with yeah i was about 40 years old i grew up

and it was like boomer asycin year after year is going to have those bangles relevant they're going to be playing and then the raiders you know whether it was marcus allen and jay schrader and your dad and then you hand it off to the next generation of Gannon and those guys. Those fan bases are dormant at times, but now they're alive and they're feeling themselves. And it's cool to see those two teams playing each other too. Is there somebody making you can go first

that has a lot to lose as an individual player this weekend? Jimmy G. Jimmy G. Jimmy G. He has a lot to gain, a lot to lose. If he goes out and beats the, and he played pretty well. I mean, he threw some bad balls last week, gutsy for him to play. But, you know, some of those drives late to throw that pick in the red zone, which

Jaylon made a great play. Awesome. For them to answer, for Stafford to hit that third and six, for them to hit that ball in the corner of the end zone and the top go off the place to then think that they were going to win that game. And then come back with two minutes left and Jimmy just takes them. Gosh, and the passes were so clutch. And Debo's great and Kittles great.

But like Joanne Jennings. Yeah. All those conversions. I love that. Yeah. Yeah, so Jimmy has a lot to gain this weekend. Tray Lance has a lot to lose. Tray Lance has a lot to lose.

He doesn't want to end up like a Jordan Love collecting dust there. But I don't know. What do you think, Peter? Is there somebody that's got a lot to lose this weekend? Legacy-wise, Stafford to me, if he's won and done after all the hype that they had going into this season and him playing 13 years and not winning a playoff game and then to lose at home to Arizona, I think we're really devastating, especially with all the draft picks they gave up and just just, just,

knowing how confident they were that they were going to make this run this season. And then for it to be one and done would be a colossal letdown, I think. And, you know, it sucks because everybody wants to root for Derek Carr, but it's hard to root against Joe Burrow. Like, everybody loves rooting for Joe Burrow. I think Tom, in a weird way, has a lot to gain because, you know, that team was ridiculous, the team he walked into in Tampa. They are void of a lot of their weapons.

Now, they still have evidence. They still have Gronk, but I think when you look at Tom, to go and beat a team like the Eagles, who they beat 28, 22 early in the season, and both teams are completely different. I think this is going to be a good ball game. If they make any kind of a run this year, I've counted the bucks out. If they make a run this year, like this is a major feather in Tom Brady's cap. And then on top of that, you've got New England and Buffalo doing this kind of macro AFC East power struggle thing.

You know, for the bills, if they lose this game, and I've said this all year, if they can't reclaim the division, I don't mean just win it. When in playoff games, it feels like you did all this for not. I'm not saying it's over there. I'm just saying like you climbed the hill. Now you got to beat him in the playoffs. It feels like you want this game if you're a Bill's player. Like you want to just be able to,

but you also really don't want to play. Just by the chance of if we lose, like here we go again. It's like, I don't know. The way that New England beat them on that Monday night, a few weeks ago in Buffalo, you almost have such a bad taste of your mouth there. Like, let us get them again. But gosh, if they beat them twice in Baltimore,

in a playoff game, no less, and eliminate them. We're back to square one. No question. All right, let's do MVP, all those awards. Make, you want to go with yours first? Well, we can talk at nauseam about what MVP actually means. Most valuable, great player to a team. Okay, then I don't see how it's anybody but Aaron Rogers.

I'm with you. And it's not fun. It's not sexy. It is the most valuable player. Because people have kind of turned it into Hub, turn it into a thing. There's some people that are going to turn it into a thing. He's the best player who means the most to his team. I just wish it could have been that Jonathan Taylor, Cooper Cup or somebody outside.

I'm just not buying that. No, I'm with you. I think the answer is Rogers. Maybe we just change the name of the best quarterback. Most vaccinated, valuable quarterback. Stranger, what do you got? She eliminates Rogers. I don't have a vote.

So they get 50 votes out. And I think he'd be surprised at some of people who do have votes. Like, it's not just old white sports writers. like the Hall of Fame in a lot of ways. I've got colleagues at both places, NFL Network and Fox that I was pleasantly surprised to see you have votes in the same.

They don't reveal their names, and I think it's kind of cool. So it's not just the hub of Arcuses out there who are like longtime sports radio guys. So I think there might be some diversity in the pick here, but I think at the end of the day, I just think Rogers was ascending at the end of the year. The last six weeks were his best six weeks.

He didn't have the best season of his career. They weren't the best they'd ever been with Rogers. And yet he was just, the game was in slow motion for him when it mattered most. And he won a lot of big games down the stretch. So I would go Rogers, but it isn't a slam dunk. I think you could make a good case for Brady or Cup. Yeah, and they've given up like sneaky a lot of points. I've said their defense has made me trust them.

The thing that made me not trust them the past two years as far as contending is now the thing that they've stabilized. But they've still given up a lot of points, which is all the same to an offense. and an offense who lost Tunyon, who has had a bunch of shuffling on the offensive line, and I'm not going to hold Devante Adams against Aaron Rogers. I'm just not. Not when we're

talking about Tom Brady, having Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Gronk, AB for a while. Randall Cobb. Randall Cobb. We fought the Trojan War over Randall Cobb. So he's very, he's Helen of Troy. He's very important, but he's not the guys

down in Tampa or whatnot are the guys down in Dallas. Okay, offensive player, you're right? This sounds like it's Jonathan Taylor for you. I'll go Cooper Cup. I'm going to go Jonathan Taylor. Okay. I'm like a chalky. Shraig's tell us about these breakfast meetings between Stafford and Cup. I mean, it sounds like there's a- I love that you know that. How do you know me saying? I said that and I got crushed for it. I'm a big Peter Schrager fan. Every morning, I love, make it, I love that you even reference that. I referenced it on Simmons's podcast and I got about 300 texts from people being like, Shut the fuck up with your morning breakfast meetings.

Like that's not why he's the best player. He did a whole graphic on Money and Football. It was terrible graphic of those guys eating breakfast in the morning. 6.30 in the morning every day. It's the two of them and they go over it and they go over like quarterbacks would in the quarterback's room. And Stafford goes through all his shit with Cup and Cup goes through all his stuff with Stafford. But even more than that, which I think is interesting. So when Cup was drafted, Jared Goff and him, they shared the same agent and the Cup lived with golf.

and then they became best friends. And then once they ship golf out, it's not like Cup was sitting there wallowing. He immediately befriended Stafford. And now his wife, Anna, is best friends with Stafford's wife, Kelly, and they travel to the games together and it's the whole thing. So like this stuff might not matter or it does.

It does the baseball player feel about this, you know? How does the pitcher feel about this? Stafford's best friend. Kershaw. You know what I mean? I heard that factoid on Thanksgiving Day. Did you know? I know.

There's a better friend now. There's a new friend. It's a replacement friend like saving Silverman. Are all these breakfasts in the facility or are they going to a breakfasts is breakfasts. Every morning. It's breakfasts. That's the plural. All right.

Give me your. I got cup. I'm going to cup. Okay. And I thought in that game that drive that was like Cooper Cup end around. Cooper Cup sideline pass. Cooper Cup block for Sony Michelle. Cooper Cup back in the end zone.

It was like he didn't win that game. But that was like him dropping the mic being like, all right. Come on. I do feel. I feel like I'm holding. He's holding it against him, he makes it look so easy. It's really good. He looks so effortless and you have this stigma

where like, hey, it's about the offense too because they've kind of got buckets with a bunch of people. But okay, defensive player of the year. T.J. Watt. Terribly interesting answer. T.J. Watt. Hmm.

I can make a case for Micah Parsons. Yes, you certainly could. And you know who made a great case for Michael Parsons? The Dallas fucking Cowboys the other night against the Eagles. Yeah. Yeah. Didn't look good without him.

I'm going to say, I'm going to say Michael Parsons on this one, because as great as T.J. Watt is and the feat is amazing. I think that defense was changed overnight, and Parsons was everything to them. You can't be wrong. You can't be wrong with that answer. You can't be wrong with that.

Comeback player of the year. I'm going to show my bias here. I'm going to go to Nick Bosa. I know it's an offensive. Respect it. But Nick Bosa had 15 and a half sacks or something. Everybody lost their shit when he had an end. eight and a half as a rookie.

And a lot of those were covered sacks. A lot of those were like, hey, you know, he's just even better. And the team wasn't as high profile, so we didn't pay attention until December. But his injury was a big deal. And for him to come out and reestablish himself or establish himself as really a top five rusher.

Where I didn't think he was a top five rusher, his regular year. The guy deserves defensive comeback player the year. Joe Burrow, quarterback, Cincinnati Bengals. Leg exploded. His leg exploded. exploded. It's also a

leg exploded late in the year, dude. And you want to root for guys you like. I love Joe Burrow. He's just, he's got no argument. He's got an aura about him. He does have an aura. It's a leader. Rick James. Joe Burrow. I'm going to go, I want to go Joe Borough also. I did have a take that this award

has now just become the player that suffered the knee injury who comes back. Like there should be another award of for guys like, you know, Corderole Patterson, who out of nowhere, has like this career year or Darius Slay who people were ready to like right off and Darius Slay's a shut down corner again like there's something to be said for the veteran who in week nine in year nine or year 10 is like no F that like I could still go so I'm gonna say Joe Burrow but

I've got a different feeling on this award the Shreger award the Shranger award I like this had the Falcons covered last week maybe Cordero yeah but the cover it was making a look yeah they're gonna kill both of us some of us are doing pretty well late in the season but all right Coach of the Year. Okay. It's Mike Rable. And the other potential name is... I mean, Matt LaFleur is up there.

Matt LaFleur, if you think about the kind of the drama that he's dealt with, whatever you want to call it, it's north of not being drama. And they've replaced a lot of pieces and they're dominant. They're my favorite to win the Super Bowl. So I think LaFleur is somebody that could be in the mix. There's a bunch of names there. Brian Flores, I could have said Coach of the Year, but he's looking for a fucking job go figure we're talking about it in a second but i think

bray will because that team has the most stubbornly low or high floor and and and they play everybody close so they're always having to to play tight games whether they're playing a bad team or a good team and i think he's just really cagey and really uh you know from him manipulating the hoodie with timeouts and the whole thing like the guy has found his he's carved his own niche as a as a bill Belichick disciple and he's different and he's successful. Yeah. You know, Zach Taylor gets real consideration here for me because when they lost to the Cowboys last year, week 14, he was four and 20 and one as a head coach and he went up there and he's like, we're going to win here. We're going to win and we're going to look back at these days and we're going to respect and cherish

these days. And I'm like at the time, I remember being like, oh, you got to say that. But then when you see it now, it's like, shit, like maybe he had a plan and it's, but you're right, it's, it's very, They had 88 different players dressed for them this year. I got to go brable. Insanity. I am surprised. I will mention Mike McCarthy. I'm just surprised going from Hard Knocks where I don't know that I've heard any other

person say such dumb shit to going 12 and 5. Mojo moment. Mojo moment. We were in here like, oh, no, it's going to be a long year. I know. And 12 and 5 in a bad division with a lot of... One in four against teams with... You guys had that graphic up there today.

Did I see that? Yeah, teams with 10 wins. Siriani. Seriani, I think deserves real credit. But the same deal. 0-N-7 against playoffs. No question, no question. But they're also a lot less talented than Dallas.

So I would say, Seriani deserves this just because it warms my heart to see a coach take criticism. I said this in like change because Philly actually deserves a lot of credit. They're fans. Maybe they deserve to be fans. They were going and when Miles Sanders read it and they sarcastically cheered, their whole team changed that day.

Yes. Yes. Philly fans changed the court. of an NFL season. You're right. Maybe a coach's future because I just was talking to somebody today. They love that guy and, you know, the press conference was terrible, but the players bought him, though.

That's him though. That's him and like the players bought it. You know, the players buy him. That kind of stuff that might wear out after two. Like Pete Carroll isn't for everybody after year two. No question. Theriani's a lot of that stuff where it's for fighters, we're boxers. It might wear thin if you're not winning, but they bought in this year.

Yep. No question. So, all right. in the same vein. I was asked this recently, assistant coach of the year. I don't know you're going to have one here, but I want to shout out my man, Jeff Stoutland. Yes, Eagles. Let's go. Because if you think about it, we just talked about Nick Siriani. And one of my favorite coaches, like, when you're a D. Lyman, you really have great respect for the offensive coaches as much as anything.

Because you get to see them work every day. And like, you know, one-on-one pass rush, all that stuff. he has really made sure that the Eagles always have a quality front offensively and that's been that was the thing that was a key to the Super Bowl for us it's the thing that's the key to them having this turnaround this year and he's done it with with injuries with young players Landon Dickerson development you know he's developed an Australian rules football WWE looking guy into you know kind of a fringy Pro Bowl kind of guy so yeah shout out to my man coached out I am it's amazing. So Peter King sent me a...

Same thing. I had to go to. I said Stoutland. I said Stoughton. Yeah. There you go. I don't need a coordinator. Give me Stoutland because that was the only team that had like an identity that was consistent with every week. Here's what we are. We're deficiencies everywhere else, but we can do this. And he brought the best out of them. I went Stoutland and Peter King was like,

you're not the only one to say Stoutland. I'm like, how there you go. You're met the other one. Hungry Dogs run faster. You got anybody? Yeah. Derek Dooley, tight-ins coach, New York Giants. Evan Ingram caught 46 balls on 73 targets, which is pretty impressive for Biggie. God, you're such an asshole. And executive of the year, I'm going to go Bill Belichick. Nice.

I mean, that guy from getting something out of Kendrick Bourne to the draft picks to Judon for a while there, people were going to talk about him like he was a DPOI candidate. I mean, like this guy has done all the things that historically people said he, you know, Mac Jones. I mean, he showed his wards late in the year, and he's a rookie, but surprise, surprise. And Stephenson and Barmore, they all were good this year. I would go Goody. I would go Green Bay because of all the stuff that Rogers through, Adam, I would say they brought Russell Douglas in.

They got Devonre Campbell in. They also had five offensive linemen go down and this next man up and Corey Lindley left. And Bakhtiari is not going to play all season. Don't worry. We've got a guy named Yosh Nyman. Like, I go with Goody. and that might rub Rogers wrong, but you can be MVP and also respect that guy.

It's true. It is so true. That guy easily could have become a meme, and he did not. And in fact, he made a lot of great decisions, and you mentioned Rassul Douglas, a guy from the Eagles team in 17. He's been on a bunch of teams. People wonder why guys can be so different spot to spot.

It's called scheme. And in Green Bay, they run a scheme conducive to his success, great zone player. So, yeah, I love that pick. I'll tell Brian G for the aforementioned reason to Randall Cobb. That's all he had to do, bringing Real Cobb and Rodgers is happy. Okay. People get bored with the GM thing relative to the coach thing, but give me a name that you like that's out there.

I think Hackett is really interesting. We're sticking with Green Bay. So Nathaniel Hackett's Paul Hackett's son. Paul Hackett was the offensive coordinator at USC at Kansas City. But here's why I think he's interesting. He's like a different dude. He was, I think, a neurological, like, engineer in college at UC Davis. And then was teaching hip hop classes in college, white dude, teaching hip hop classes as like his second job.

And then went from being like the lowest ring of coaching, like a GA at Syracuse to then going to Buffalo with Morone. Then he was in Jacksonville with Marone. And then gets this job in Green Bay. And like, the players love them. and Rogers who I think has a lot of interest outside of football. Like so does Hackett. And the two of those guys like have found each other. And they have fun out there.

You watch that Packers team. It's like Mercedes-Lewis, they're all jumping up and down. And then all those players are such unique personalities, but they're themselves. And I kind of like the identity that he brings or he's like, just be you, be comfortable. And from a football standpoint, Chris, you watch it. They marry that Shanahan run thing that LaFlor does with like, like this West Coast offense that Rogers does. It's unlike any other offense.

And it almost feels like they're playing at a different pace. So I think Hackett is interesting if you're looking for an offensive coach that's fairly young. And isn't just the, hey, let's just go pick this guy off this tree. Like he's his own dude. They were doing like RPO stuff with wrinkles I haven't seen. I haven't either. And he has done a really good job of cultivating an atmosphere despite all the, the quote unquote drama where those guys really seem to like each other.

Shout out to our guy Kurt Benkirt as well. There you go. And for 42 years, the guy has stuck with Nathaniel. Think about how many times he's had to say, no, it's Nathaniel. Yeah, I would Nate available. You would Nate him. You would Nathan him. You might even fanio to the guy.

The one time we had, I tell this story. Sometimes we have Matthew McConaughey on here, and I made the mistake of being like when he popped on, hey, Matt. Oh, good. They say it's Matthew? Oh, there's a Matthew. And he was very nice about it. You know who else is that way?

That's Stafford, too, by the way. Oh, he doesn't do Matt? He might, but when I, I've been like, Matt, and he's like, what's up, Matt? You know, one of those deals. Oh, no. McConaughey was like, Chris. Thaniel, do you watch, make, do you watch righteous gemstones? Yes, Faniel.

There's a Faniel from the New York Times. And do you see what he did? He goes, nope, Daniel. It was a great hand gesture. Nope. Played by Jason Schwartzman. The most perfect guy to play him. So good.

That's good. Okay. Nathaniel Hack is a good pick. by the way, looks 10, 15 years younger with a hat on. You know, like, I'm just like, because I hadn't looked at him in a while and I heard hip hop teacher. I was like, this is something I did is out of left field.

Okay, so head coach, let's go down the list here. Your favorite job, if you're a head coach candidate, you have your pick of the litter, make. I would like to live in Chicago. It's all, but it's as much about the city as it is, the situation for me. But your football hat on for a moment, but by the way, I think Justin Fields could be better than any of them. I'll say that again.

I think Justin Fields is going to be the best one. Am I playing and in my coaching in Soldier Field or Arlington Heights? You're coaching in Soldier Field. Okay, Chicago. You're living in Lake Forest though. Very nice. Oh, for sure. Lincoln Park.

Yeah. Go ahead. I would look at Denver. I think great fan base, cool place to live and kind of a blank slate. Like they've got really good young players, but all they're asking for is a quarterback and a coach you can get them there. I feel like expectations are right and you come in there and you can be able to they get a quarterback, you'd be good to go. Change of division would be nice.

That's the one thing there is like the sandwich between Herbert and there's just no way out there. And I said this the other day. I don't think that I've ever woken up feeling one way about a job opening and then gone to bed being like, that place looks like Jacksonville is suddenly sexy. And I hope it's not a one game reactive thing. But I mean, he was good. And you have young guys on the defense side of the ball like Josh Allen.

I don't know. No state tax. You guys mentioned that earlier on the show. That's a key. I don't know. The Vikings are sneaky, attractive because there's a possible power vacuum in the NFC North, right? You don't know. I think Rogers stays with Green Bay. But if he stays like how much longer, Kirk's an unrestricted free agent in a year. Do you think that's an attractive job? Yeah, I think it is. I also think, you know, they had the same GM for 16 years and the same coach for eight years. That tells me, me that there's at least, they're not one of these franchises that pulls the rug out from you after two years every time. They're going to give you a shot. I think it's stability matters. Yeah. And then you also have a chance to come in with your GM with, you know, like, you know, so there's, and I don't know if you've been, Chris, have you been up there, their new facility, it's sick. They have, they, they, they put hundreds of millions of dollars into this new practice facility in Egan, which is not where they used to be at Eden Prairie. And it's top of the line. Yeah. The wolf family spends on football, which is nice to see. And that bird killing stadiums

pretty nice. I mean, they just murder birds up. It is. It's tragic to the aviary. community, but it is a good stadium. Tragic to the ABA. All right, so the big question is, do the Raiders keep Bissaccio? Are we getting caught up in the moment here? I don't know, man. I heard a lot going into last week, like win or lose. It sounds like they're going to do a real search, but the players play for them. They really like them. And I don't know if Mark Davis wants to pay for an entirely new coaching staff with some new head coach. That's the honest truth of it.

So could they get away with saying, we're going to bring Bessatia back? Of course. Do they want to do that? I don't know, man. I also feel like it's one of those things that if you're the owner and you're making that decision, you kind of get a get out of jail free card because no player is going to be like, hey, what were you doing? No. And everybody's like, okay, they gave this guy a shot. They went on a run late in the year that I never would have imagined they did with

the personnel changes that they, that they had from very unfortunate circumstances. But like, they actually want to shoot out with the chargers to, end the season. Without rugs and with Waller, you know, barely, barely running. Without the guy they were paying NASA budget numbers to like, to middle. Yeah, that's going to be interesting there. The Bears thing. Who do you think is the best fit in, uh, in Chicago? And I guess like this is a two-part question because I'm seeing some defensive names besides making Gunner. I'm seeing some defensive names. Uh, is being a defensive coaching candidate a hot thing or a negative thing? Because for a while there, we went away from it. I don't think. I don't think.

think it's a negative. Like I know a lot of I spoke to, so I speak to some of these owners and some of these executives that are doing some of the hiring. And a lot of them were asking me about, okay, what do you think of Dan Quinn? What do you think of Brian Flores? And like, it doesn't come in like, do you think Dan Quinn or Brian Flores can coach an offense? It's more the first year guys that are on the defensive side. It's, you just need to be able to do the head coaching thing from being a defensive coach. But I don't know about the bears. Honestly, I'm not sure. You have to find a GM and a head coach. You've got fields. I've seen all the names. You know, it's all the typical names. I'm, I'm very curious to see what direction they go. Now, the one name, Ted Phillips is the president,

but the one name of here, I'm hearing Bill Polion's playing a big role. Let's see how that goes. And Polian, of course, has been in football going back to Buffalo in the 90s. So I'm not sure you're getting a giant wildly outside the box, GM or head coach, if Bill Polian and Ted Phillips are running search. So Dan Quinn, like the other night, I was watching Monday football. And I know how this stuff goes sometimes, but like these guys are for an entire, or it was Saturday night with the Monday night football branding, which is totally weird. But I mean, these guys are going on and on about Dan Quinn as a head coaching candidate. I'm like, okay, like we're trying to make this happen. And I think, you know, for a guy that was a player to away from being a Super Bowl champion,

somebody I love and Dan Quinn, sure, he's going to have opportunities. But like, I feel like it's a lot like the Mike Zimmer thing. I bet Mike Zimmer goes and gets a DC job and knocks it out of the park. A couple years. He's going to be a head coach. Yeah, but sometimes I'm kind of like, maybe you don't want to be doing all those things. Like, obviously it sounds like Dan wants to, but. He does.

He does. And DQ, like, I'll tell you, players loved him in Atlanta. And they just, and they went to the playoffs all those years ago that came up short. And then he comes to Dallas. And I was wondering, like, all right.

And the players love him there too. Like, I think he's the type that, yes, can be a head coach again. But then I see like spags. And he might kill me for saying this. but like I see spag can't say like spag's a really good defensive coordinator like that's a nice

job for the next 20 years. The big fan Gio is a great defensive coordinator. Like I don't know if it's for everyone to go back into the head coaching gig. But for Dan Quinn and for Flores, I think those two guys Oh, be flow man. Let's just rip the bandaid off because I love I love Brian Flores. So do I. I played for him. I fucking love him. I think he's done a really good job making that place competent when there was not a sniff of competency in that building for a long time. outside of Dan Campbell being an interim head coach. This is a place that's long suffered, and here you are beating the Patriots to finish the season.

You've beaten them a couple times now. Slept them this year, the one thing is you haven't kept up with the bills, but I also don't think they have the right guy under center. And I'm not saying that Tua is a bad player. I'm saying that, like, in the right situation, he's a guy that can make a difference. But I wonder if this whole thing stems from some Tua disagreement.

I'll tell you this. He and Greer, who's the GM, they were not on great terms by the end of the season. And basically the owner, Stephen Ross had to make a decision and went with, I'm going to go with the GM. And we're going to go figure it out from here. And Flores, I gotten to know him really well, so I'm biased. I like the guy. And he's always been really cool with me. But he's not one of those people who are texting me all day, giving me information and giving me, you know, I don't know if he was the warm and fuzzy in that building. And I don't know if when things were hitting the fan, if he was the greatest communicator up above him. Right.

Every player has come out and been like, this is track. Like, they love him there. And they loved him in New England. And when Arizona interviewed him a couple of years ago, they almost hired him for the head job. Then having it. So like, I think it's one of those deals where there's a lot of politics and managing up in this league. And whether he wanted to Sean Watson or whether he wanted Justin Herbert, I haven't gotten that from either side. But I'm sure that plays a role in this thing.

And at the end of the day, they're going with quarterback. They're going with Tua at the moment. And they're going with how that whole thing handled after the trade deadline. And I don't think it was perfect. But who's the guy who picked some of, you know, like you're in this situation because you passed up on two generational quarterbacks. That guy keeps a job. Anyways, I just, I'm Team B flow.

And I think you'd be a great fit in Chicago. I think he's interviewing with Chicago. And I think he's interviewing somewhere else. I don't know if I've reported it yet. But like, he'll get interviews. But he's not going to just go to the place that offers him. I've got the feel that this guy has now seen what it's like to be in one of these buildings that it's not all on the same page.

And I don't think you'd make that mistake twice. Do you think there's a big fear in, like, in Buffalo or in Tampa that we're going to lose both coordinators? I mean, it's probably not going to happen in either place, but both coordinators, Dable and Frazier and respectively left, which and bowls done in Tampa are interviewing. Do you talk to coaches and get a sense of like the feeling when their coordinators are going to interview does it vary from coach to coach? For the most part, I think a lot of these head coaches want to see the coordinators get jobs.

And they encourage that as long as they're not spending their time during the week of a playoff game, preparing for an interview for the next day. But like, you look at what, and I remember when Nagy got the job after that, like heartbreaking loss of the Titans, the next morning got the job. I remember talking to Andy.

And they were such a bad place after losing. And it was that play where Marietta threw it off Revis. And then like, yep, the comeback. And Andy could not have been happier for like, Matt Nagy to get that opportunity. I think there's pride in that. And I also think they support their coordinator's young world.

One counterpoint on the defensive head coach thing. When you have a young quarterback, my biggest concern is that if you have a defensive head coach, young quarterback like a la Staley and Herbert, you run the risk of now having a carousel of guys who succeed. And then they go somewhere else. And then you're the most important guy in the building, not you, Justin Herbert, is dealing with a new set of circumstances every year. So that's my only devil's advocate.

In an offensive head coach, you basically have OC and head coach in one position. And a defensive head coach, we know that quarterback is all that matters in this league. And if you're constantly having that rotation, you're right. Okay. So lastly, Eric B. Enemy, hottest name, you know, the last couple of years. Yeah. The offense was hot. The offense has not been as hot.

Does his name take a hit now, which is a bit unfair to ask. But in reality, they have a lot. been as good this year. The personnel hasn't been as good, but they haven't been as good. So does his name take a hit or does it stay where it was? I think he's got obviously he's already been asked to interview with Denver and he was a Colorado legend. He was a husband finalist there. But I don't hear his name like I did a couple years ago. And like even last year, he interviewed for the Houston job. He interviewed for a couple other jobs. So I don't know if it's because the offense took a hit or because it was like, well, if all those other teams haven't hired him yet,

Yeah. What are we missing? I don't know if it's so I hope EB gets a chance. I really like him. I think he's a great dude and a really good offensive mind. And Andy swears by him and loves him. Yeah, it's a heck of an endorsement. It's a pretty good endorsement.

And yet there's been this blockade between him going from interview to getting one of these jobs. And if I had to pinpoint it, I can't. But these teams always find a different candidate. They like more. And good news is as we let Peter go is our guy, David Cully, we thought he'd be in this list. And so far, he looks like he's the guy next year in Houston. He's hanging on for now. I'm curiously how that all plays out.

I don't think there aren't any rush right now. But as of right now, it looks like he's the guy. I love it. And they bring Davis Mills back. Let's run it back. All right. Let's do it. Peter Schrager, appreciate the time, man.

As always awesome talking to you. You guys are awesome. Chris, you're the man. Thank you, dude. Thanks, brother. If you're in Arizona, Colorado, Indiana, New Jersey, Tennessee, or Virginia, and you haven't yet tried the win bet app, I've got great news for you.

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Yeah. Joe Judge has been relieved of his duties as Giants' head coach. Two days later, it happened. I thought he was safe. I thought he was good, but this is the right decision. And Schrager said, you know, I want to say I'm a bit conflicted when I'm not. I wasn't a big fan, and there are a lot of good names out there.

Brooklyn native Brian Flores. He floated in New York, man. For instance. Got to do it. But there are several examples, and maybe it's the exception, but several examples of coaches who struggled in the first few years and then turned into Bill Belichick. And maybe Joe Jobs was not going to turn into. Bill Belichick

but it does seem like there's a a quick trigger these days and maybe rightfully so it's big business and you can only be so bad for so long. Yeah and so I think you're probably, are you excited? Give me one adjective. Are you sad? Are you shocked or you're a Giants fan for the people that don't? Joe Judge

was relieved of his duties. I'm relieved. You're relieved. I'm relieved. Macon Gunter is relieved. Now we can marry GM with head coach. Yeah. And that's good because they're two important picks in the top seven. That's a great point. We just talked about that with Peter.

Like you don't want to have one guy on a different page with the new hire and vice versa. It's just this is a clean break. Listen, Joe wasn't great. The first year I thought, hey, maybe he's on to something a little bit. Like, you know, they were competitive at times. I played on a team or Joe Judge was the coach. I liked the guy. I still think he's probably a decent guy and everything,

but just at the end of the road here, the last couple weeks especially, he said some things that just kind of stunk, whether it was the, hey, my old players are calling me saying that they'd rather play here to calling to inferring that Washington's program is a clown show. We're not some clown show organization. You know, we don't have guys getting fist fights on the sideline.

The funny thing about worrying about that other team is that other team is a better record than you. And also, like, I don't want my head coach worrying about that other team, especially when, you know, he's one of the biggest gung-ho, like, be here now, focus on this team kind of guys in football. Couple that with the ineptitude on the field, the third and nine, as you mentioned, it's just like a terrible way to go out. And it was time to make a move. So I'm glad the Giants made a move.

I really do think a lot of times the old adage is like, hey, if you, if you fire somebody, you hire somebody totally different. It's like a new relationship almost. Like if you get a divorce, you don't marry the same person. You try to find somebody completely different. Oftentimes people try to go a little too con cowardy here, but like they try to go a totally separate direction. And I think that on the surface, it looks like B-Flow is the same guy because New England,

but he's not. and so if I'm the Giants I look long and hard at Brian Flores because the reason he got the reason you let Vic Fangio go for instance in the AFC West you can't keep up offensively with those things there's no problem like that in the NFCs

the NFCs you've got a physical outfit in the Eagles you got a physical outfit in Washington and then you have one team that can score in Dallas but I don't trust Dallas you know over the long haul I really don't so I think you've got an opportunity

if you can stabilize and play really good defense in New York and figure out Danny Dimes or whatever you want to do there. And perhaps the most important piece, and we don't know if it's B-Flow. As Schrager said, he's going to really look at all these options, but it's going home and it's a winnable division, as you said. But he'd be on the same page with the GM, one would think. And that's going to be really attractive after the Greer situation in Miami.

So, yeah, I was a little bit worried about new GM and lame duck coach because then it's just like a freebie year and we're wallowing at 413 again. Yeah. So it's good for the fans. It's good for the players. And it's probably good for a lot of the coaches that are sitting around being like, why does Joe Judge still have a job? Like this is the way it goes.

It doesn't always happen on the same day. So kind of out of the blue here. No pun intended. Let me throw a name out there. Ian Yates Cunningham. Nice. Future GM somewhere. I YC.

I YC. Maybe a Yates, Cunningham, Flores. situation of marriage. By the way, you said people who divorce and then marry opposite. I love the stories and everybody's heard of one pretty far away. The people who are married and then get divorce and then remarry each other, I love that story. You love it? I love it. I've even heard one where they're two divorces and then two reconciliations. Where they come home? Yeah. I don't know, man. I feel like they're going to end up in the same situation. Well, probably so. People really never change.

I like the story. It's a good story. It is a good story. Let's write a movie. We'll write a movie about Joe Judge coming home to New York in 2013. Took his licks, took his medicine, leads the New York football giants to a Super Bowl. I was going to write a movie about just human beings, not football coaches.

Right. Like Timothy Shalameh. Maybe I'm casting. Olivia Coleman is doing something in the film. Hey man. We got some thank yous. People have been sending us stuff here. Reminder, we got Jordan Reed coming up in a few.

Talk college football. Somebody sent us some chocolate covered pretzels. That's Jeff. As Jeff C from, well, I don't want to docks. Is Jeff C. from Pennsylvania? Did you have any yet? Not yet. Okay.

Jeff C. Thank you. We're going to let you be the guinea pig. You know, no, no dessert, you know. Yeah, no dessert. It's not to say that I won't eat a sweet treat during the day. It's really a no nighttime sort of deal. that's still running.

Somebody sent us some stuff to sign, right? Also, Jeff C. from Pennsylvania, which is going to be good news because this was going to be a Christmas present. And we thought it was lost in the sauce and it's now arrived and headed your way, Jeff, to you and your lovely family. We're sending something back to you. And I'll spoil it. Okay. Well, I, all right. Should we just hit it? I think the guy would prefer to be shouted out on the pod and tell the funny story, right? I think after.

the recipient of the gift gets it because it's sort of like a gift coming your way jeff yeah and your brother that's right um but danny b our dude danny b out out in the fridge on breckin fridge loyal listener and uh somebody who sent us some really really really really really awesome gifts we love danny b thank you i'm wearing we got some beanies we got some beanies from the uh broken compass brewing company in breckinridge we can't wait to to take a trip out to the fridge and have heart palpitations at 10,000 feet or wherever y'all crazy motherfuckers are at does anybody have the note he wrote handy danny b's note is is delightful i'll just read a bit of it mary belated all right all right all right guys plan the trip to breck and any time you need a fill

in guest holla till then enjoy responsibly see you in the rockies danny b danny b's the man dude he sent some amazing stuff and I'm just really appreciative. He wrote into this. Look, the card says you already have everything you need for an amazing future, but here's a little something extra for the journey. And then Danny writes in, Always be your best. Congratulations on being fucking awesome. This guy, we should just have Danny be around here just to coach us. Just to like boost the morale, cheer people up

and reads tired of it. just get Danny B sitting downstairs to like, you know, you can do it, read. Danny B, kind of a vibe of office space, the neighbor, a little bit. Yeah, the neighbor, the neighbor, the neighbor. Yeah. But much better looking and much more talented and awesome. Hey, Peter mine. Yeah, yeah, same hair, same hair, right?

But Danny B's hair is better. And Danny B. sent us some awesome gifts. That's the last I'm going to say about it. I'm just really excited. I'm looking at him right now. Oh, man, I'm so excited about this stuff. they're high and good. You want to talk about the draft as a football podcast?

Yeah, I love the NFL draft. Q Sounder. Here's Jordan Reed. All right, cool. We're joined by Jordan Reed's first time on the show. I've really enjoyed reading his work over at ESPN. He's an NFL draft analyst, college football writer, the whole nine yards. And after a night, like last night, I feel like we saw a lot of NFL players on that field.

Who helped themselves the most last night, Jordan? Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of talent on the field last night, and I mean, Georgia's defense is loaded. We could go down the list of the players that they have on that side of the football. But one player that constantly flashed to me was Louis Scene, number 16, the safety. I mean, he was just coming downhill, absolutely striking guys. And that's really something that you see on take from him. And this safety class is really interesting. I think there's about five or six guys that could probably go in the top 75,

but Lewis Seen was definitely that one player that I thought that stood out the most. And then there was your typical guys, Jordan Davis. we saw what he was able to do on the first drive of the game. And I was really happy to see that for him just because the biggest issue with him right now is just is he a three-down player. But Chris, we both know that just the type of player that he is, it transcends the defense and it makes everybody's job easier. So Lewis Seen and then also Jordan Davis were two guys that really stood out to me last night.

Seen was un-fucking believable. There was a play. Yeah. The first play where he covered from like the opposite hash to, you know, basically making a tackle for no gain. I was trying to do math to clock him at how fast he was running. It was incredible. What do you think a guy like that runs?

Because with both these defenses, there's a lot of guys that play in positions that I'm not sure how, like, there may be a little undersized, there may be tweeners, but they just focus on speed so much. What do you think a guy like seeing runs? I think he's a solid four-four guy, for sure. I think without question.

Now, that's a matter of the play speed matching, the existing speed, but as far as him run the four-four-old. and his play speed definitely matches that. I would be surprised if he's not a load of mid-44 type of player. His play speed was unbelievable last night. It was. There were a lot of guys out there.

I felt like I was on a highway watching cars. I mean, like dudes were just flying. And Georgia was so downhill, and especially late offensively as well, just turning it out on the ground. So a lot of fun watching those teams. Jordan Davis got a snap at tight end. And dude, I thought he looked like he could play.

He could play extra tackle. Yeah, Jordan Davis was just unbelievable last night, and you bring up the Rebel Kim at tight end. That was just unbelievable. And I think that's something he probably could add as far as a goal line package to the team on the next level. But I'm really excited to see what happens with him on the next level. What's the best scheme fit for him? Because you brought up the question about being a three-down player. I would like to see him two-gapping as a three-four nose as a zero technique.

I think that's probably where he suits best as just because I think he's that A-gap-the-A-gap type of plugger. I think that's probably the best role for him. But I think with Jordan Davis, an underrated part of his game is just his range. He's not just the guy that's going to plug agga to ag. He can stay flat down the line and make plays on the sideline too. He has that plenty on his tape this year. So I definitely think he's a 3-4-0 technique for sure. How about the Dean kid?

Is he everything he's cracked up to be? How do you think he projects? Yeah, he's a little bit undersized. He's right at 6 foot, about 225 pounds. So he is that undersized player. and you're starting to see comps come up to him. Like Jonathan Vilma is one that's very common for him, but he's one player that I'm really, really interested to see on the next level

just because you have to have those big guys in front of him just because he does a little, he does struggle a little bit as far as deconstructing or getting off blocks. When those climbing blockers, the offensive linemen are able to come up and climb on him, he does struggle a little bit as far as getting off those blocks. But when he can play in space, and you have those big guys eating up those blocks in front of him, and he can attack down heel, that's really when he's at his best.

Do you think the undersized backers are like, you know, as you talk to people in the league, like is that in or out? It just depends on the scheme. Do you think that somebody with his body type is going to be popular? It just depends on the scheme, honestly. There's some teams that like those undersized type of linebackers just because in a four-three, you really want those guys that can scrape over the top and then attack downhill. But those three-four guys, you want them coming downhill a little bit more just because

they're occupying a little bit more gap. So I think with Dean, though, I think he can play Mike on the next level. but you have to have those big space eaters in front of them just because Devante Wyatt number 95 is another player that I wanted to mention too as well. Tim and Jordan Davis do a really good job of occupying blocks and allowing him to roam free. So I'm looking at Will Anderson

and here's a guy he should have been up there in New York alongside Aden Hutchinson. I mean, he's such a smart player. He's not just incredibly explosive, rangy, talented, he's got great hands, but he's so smart. He plays, he plays, he plays every play he sees. You know what I mean?

He's not just running up the field, trying to burn the edge of 10 yards, getting pushed by. Would he be the first pick this year? I mean, some people have said that. If he were eligible, he'd be one. What do you think?

Oh, without question. I think it's gotten to the point now where he doesn't even have the player snap next year. I think that highly of him. And if he did opt out of the 2022 season, I would not be surprised. I think he's the type of player. That's way better than Aidan Hutchison

and Kayvon Tipido, and if he was eligible this year, he'd be the number one pick without question. Yeah, it's funny. That was my next question. Do you think he should sit out? Because we've seen Bosa sit out. You know, Stingley's probably happy that somebody like Jamar Chase played so well this year. I think there's good precedent for that not being a concern. And do you think Will Anderson should go that way? I think so, just because if you think about all the top rookies from this past season, whether it's Penae Soule or Jamar Chase or even Michael Parker. and some of these other players that sat out, Rashon Slater is another example of where. Them sitting out did not affect them at all.

So I think Will Anderson has a big decision to make this because he doesn't have anything else to prove, honestly, Chris. I mean, 32 and a half tackles were lost, 14 and a half sacks this past year. He was just incredible. I don't think he has anything more that he can put on tape to help him become the number one overall pick. And if he doesn't take another snap in college,

I think he'll be the bona fide number one pick in 2022. So we've done comps, like, and certainly people love them, so I'll ask you about the other edge guys. But do you think there's a good comp for Will Anderson, I guess, because he hasn't been in the draft cycle proper, like people haven't dreamed up a bunch of comps, but I wonder what you would say. Yeah.

There isn't a human walking this planet, honestly, that I can comfortably compare him to, just because, and that's not to say he's something that we've never seen in the past. I think he's going to be in that tier easily, like we've seen in past years with Chase Young and Miles Garrett and all those guys. He's definitely an elite type of player, but as far as a comparison that comes to mind immediately, there really isn't one.

When he goes to the combine, whenever that is, what's something that we're going to be shocked by? Is it length? Is his 10-yard split? You know, what's really going to wow people? Yeah, I mean, I think he's going to test out of this world where there's 10-yard split, 40-yard dash, I mean, 4-6, 4-7. And what's surprising if he runs even lower than that just because it's first-step burst.

It's so good. And, you know, I don't know what they listen out on the roster. I don't honestly know what he weighs, but he kind of has a compact body. And he's kind of, I wouldn't say lean. I would say chisle. But he has the capacity to put on, you know,

five, ten plus pounds easily. Yeah, he looks like he could probably carry $250 at the next level. I think he's probably, if I had to guess, around 240 now, but he looks like he's got the frame to grow. And then we've got Hutchinson and Tibido. And somebody asked me, like,

if you're picking in the top five, what do you do with me as a former, Redrrrrisher. I don't think you take either of these guys in the top two or three. I think, like, depending on your need, I'd actually be a big fan of trading back, depending on who you are. I think they're both exciting for different reasons. I think, you know, the Hutchinson floor cliche is probably true. And Tibado's more the, hey, we could develop this guy into something. What do you think of these dudes? And can I get a non-white comp for Aiden Hutchinson? Yeah, so you're going to hear the name's Patrick Kearney, Jared Allen.

Patrick Kearney's a good one, though. I actually buy the Patrick Kearney one. I buy the Patrick Kerney one. Yeah. And I tweeted it out, I think, like, a couple months ago. And I didn't know if it was like the number 97. Obviously, Kearney was the number 97. But Kearney was one that immediately came to mind.

And only true football fans remember that name. He was a great player. He was a great player in a Wahoo. Yeah, Wahoo. Yeah. But, no, you're right. I'm so glad you said that, Jordan, because, like, okay I've been compared to a lot of white rushers and everything but like if I was standing in the

same room with this kid his frame is completely different I don't think he's as twitchy I think he's got a lot of strength and length and I think that Patrick Kearney would be a really good comp so I think you hit that on the head uh how about Tibadoe he's really interesting I kind of compared him to clowny I think he's he's not as good as a prospect as far as you know I wouldn't say that. So the thing with Tibido is that he has the flashes that really intrigue, but he has those spurts of where just like Clowny of where you just don't really

notice him, but the tools are just so intriguing with him. And he's kind of, he's one of those players that he's so used to out-athleting everybody. That's what I'd like to call it, where it's kind of become a crutch for him during his first two years. But this past season, I thought he started the string moves together much better.

And the Cal game was, he was unbelievable in that game. Like, he had 11 or 12 freshes in the second half. So I think the potential word is going to be thrown out with him a lot. And I personally like Thiddo, better than Hutchinson. I just think the upside is greater there. But you're going to hear the name Plowny with him a lot. I think he's a little bit more coolly than what Clowny was coming out. And the effort is obviously better too. Are they the two best guys? Or is there somebody that's like a number three that you're like that guy could end up being the dude out of this

class? Something that I will say, and I think it's slowly going to happen. is that the end opposite of Hutchinson, David Ajabo, is a player that people are really going to start to like as a free job process goes on. And coincidentally enough, he was high school teammates with Adafi Owe, also known as Jason Owe. Yeah. That went first round to the Baltimore Ravens last year. So he was the guy that convinced him actually to play high school football. He was just a basketball and soccer guy, his first two years of high school. And then he just randomly chided out for the football team is all she wrote after that.

but a job bowl, he's really, really raw against the run. He doesn't really know what he's doing, but he has the length, but his first step burst, his ability of the string moves together, and he doesn't really know what he's doing right now. That's the crazy part about it, but I think once again with the upside with him, I think he's probably more of a three, four outside backer. Yeah. But as far as the upside with him, I think it's greater than.

And I think that's something that's slowly going to start to see people realize through the pre-draft process, too. Yeah, no question. You want to talk about the QBs, make, because, I mean, like, this is a draft Everybody knows it. It's not, you know, top and heavy. Is there somebody, I feel like inevitably, every year somebody climbs. Who's our climber?

Is that, is... Well, we had five in the top 15 last year. Yeah. And yet, Davis Mills is ripe for Canton, Ohio. Yeah, he's on his way. He's on his way. The consensus seems to be Coral, Pickett, Ritter, Howell, Willis, is a top five. Do you have a favorite among that group, Jordan?

Yeah, I actually like. Willis a whole bunch, but he's just really, really wrong. The arm strength is just unbelievable. I mean, he has a rocket launcher to his shoulder, but it's kind of the Josh Allen effect. I'm not saying Malik is going to end up the player that Josh Allen turned into, but as far as the surroundings that he has played with, that's the Ole Miss game. I think he took an eye attack in that game. I mean, he just did not have a chance at all in that one.

So I think Willis, he definitely has the tools that you're looking for, but he's probably a year or two away from being a bona fide starter. if he can go to a team that really has an entrenched starter, maybe a year or so, maybe like a Jimmy Garapola situation with Trey Lance, I definitely think he can turn into something in the future. A Baker Mayfield situation? You stuck with Baker for another year? Dude, I'm with you.

I've been saying I've been playing my flag on this Malik Willis thing, I think, and just because I just, I love the upside. I just do, especially in a year where nobody's knocking your socks off. Kenny Pickett, though, to me seems like a. guy who could logically probably climb boards. I heard something about his hand size. Is that smoke? Or does he have small hands? Yeah. So reportedly in the spring, and I haven't seen the measurements, but he measured like eight and seven eight. So I think that was his hand size. So yeah, extremely, extremely small for a quarterback. So that's something I think is going to be more of a

storyline as they test at the combine. They get the measurables. But we'll see what that's happened with Pickett. But I mean, he had a phenomenal year this year. But I'm with you, Chris. As far as with this class, there isn't a guy that really jumps out to you. But if you have a down quarterback class, why not go with the guy that has upside as opposed to going with the safe option, like Pickett? A couple small-handed quarterbacks, Joey Burrow and Patrick Mahomes. Well, okay. All right, yeah, but yeah, I'm not belittling my man. I'm just saying, because I actually like Kenny Pickett a lot. Like, if I were to take a guy that in this draft class that I had, you know, I'm going to need him to play a little bit early and that, you know, maybe Malik would be my

developmental guy and picket would be my guy that if I was forced to take somebody super early, I would. Going back to the national championship game, it's a bummer of a question, and we don't know the severity yet, but James and a knee injury, what is that likely to do to his stock?

Is he just so much of a high upside guy that you take a chance on a playmaker like that? Yeah, I mean, we saw cammakers come back from a torn Achilles in five months. That's correct. ligaments really aren't. Yeah, I mean, ligaments really aren't a big deal now.

But the one thing I will say about Williams is that he's kind of like Jerry Judy in a sense of where he kind of has those short, quick, shifting movements that he really relies on his knees a whole bunch. So I think that's the scary part about the entire situation. If I had to guess right now, it's really tough just because I don't know the severity of the injury. I think McSaveman whispered in Kirby Smart ear last night. I think it's an ACL.

So I don't think any official word has came out yet. So we'll see what does happen. I still think he could go first round, but, you know, ACLs are really tricky. And then with this being a loaded wide receiver class at the top, I think a lot of teams are probably going to want to God they know it's healthy right now. Do you think that the red, what do we call him, the red rifle? That's right. Brennan Armstrong, Virginia, you think he should come out in the draft?

Say no. Great question. I think you should stay. I honestly have not studied him in depth, but, I mean, he put up ridiculous numbers this year. I know that. I know Bronco Mendehaal leaving was a huge surprise, but I think Tony L.A. is going to do a hell of a job there. So the future looks bright. I mean, I'm excited to see what he does.

That's what I'm saying. And we've all got another connection. Kevin Downing added to this staff. Talk about your relationship with him. Yeah, so when I was coming out of high school, he was actually at a school called Winston-Salem State University, which is the home of. William Hayes. The home, that's my God, man. We're from the same town.

Bro, what? Are you serious? That's my God. You know, Will? He's one of our, he's one of our top experts that we call whenever we need. A host of subjects. A host of subjects, bro. Bro, bro.

One of my best friends in the world, man. I love Will. He's the man. I can't wait to call him. All right, but go ahead. Sorry. Yeah, so Downing was the guy that recruited me out of high school. So he always has a special place in my heart, of course.

I think he's going to do a heck of a job up there, Virginia. It's all positive for us. And Brennan Armstrong, if you listen to the pod, you should stay. I really do believe that, too, in a year like this, you know, it's not like they're just going to, because of an absence of the first rounders, anybody's going to go in the first round. You're just going to join the crowd. I do think another year would be good for him.

Okay, so Jacksonville, they start the draft off. Somehow they win Sunday and maintain the number one pick. Do they go the Cincinnati plan or do they draft like an Evan Neal? Do they go, you know, like we'll roll the dice on a skill guy, give Lawrence more weapons, or do they bolster his protection? I think whenever you invest the number one overall pick in Trevor Lawrence, you have to figure out a wait to protect him. But the interesting thing for Jacksonville is that do you take Evan Neal or do you take the pass rushes at the top?

Me personally, I would say Evan Neal, just because they have a good situation at tackle right now. As far as Cam Robinson playing on the franchise tag, I think they're probably not going to resign him. But with Jacksonville, I think they're in a really interesting situation. Just because do you take Evan Neal, number one overall at the top, or do you take one of these pass rushers, whether it's Aiden Hutchinson or Kvon-Zibito? If it were me personally, I would take Evan Neal, just because I have to figure out a way to protect Trevor Lawrence, just because he did not have a good season at all last year.

And protection was a big reason for that. We know the Urban-Mart debacle. We don't have to get into that. But I think with Evan Neal, I think he's worthy of the number one overall fix because, I mean, he was phenomenal. in the title game. I watch them in depth going against Trayvon Walker of Georgia, another play that's probably going to end up in the first round streak too. So they have a good situation at offensive tackle, if they do take Evan Neal Walker,

that's played really well down the back stretch of the year. So they're probably keeping that left tackle. Luckily enough, Evan Neal has played right tackle too, so they'll probably transition him over to that right time. And also, good sign for them Sunday. I mean, they played well up front. I know you talk about losing Robinson probably, but like, I do think if you can add one more piece, you accomplish that protection for a guy who struggled his first year. And hey, it would help not to ask that kid to throw the ball 50 times

a game. So that would be a start for the next coach. All right, Mike, I'll ask this one before let Jordan go. And again, thank you so much Jordan Reed for joining us. Would you rather be the Giants picking at 5 and 7 or the Eagles having three picks in the top 15 to 30,

whatever that is? It's the Eagles without question for me. I just like the infrastructure that they have in place. Jalen Hertz, I think he has a bright future. And, you know, Jaylon, he's a leader. I think that's one word I would use to describe them. But he's progressed really nicely over the past few games. So specifically this season, I think game in Nick Seriani, I've really figured out things as far as a chemistry that they do have. So I'll definitely would rather be the Eagles. I just think the Giants, their infrastructure is just a mess right now.

I don't really know what's going on there as far as they plan to hire. But I think Siriani and Ari Roseman, they have a good thing going. Yeah. And thank goodness Jalen Hertz hit for Howie because this was the last bullet in the chamber and I feel like this buys them some time. Devante was awesome and I really liked the Louisiana Tech de tackle that they they picked up last year. He played well late in the season. So some good moves in Philly. Have you seen this testing numbers? No. Were they good? Were they good? Okay. Unbelievable. Okay. All right good. I do. I agree with you and I'm not just saying that because I like the birds. I mean, I would rather be the birds with all those picks and the Carson thing worked out for them as well with the pick.

So HBCUs, man, we're trying to, there's a lot of talent there. I think like the track record speaks for itself in the NFL. The NFL doing more to try to highlight that talent. Where do you think we are there and what are the biggest impediments to finding that talent?

I still think there's some work to do, honestly, just because there wasn't an HBCU player drafted, I think, the past two years. But you see a lot of them signing in the league Javon Hargrave from the Philadelphia Eagles. It's one who I think is turned into a really good player Darius Leonard sports. The highest played linebacker in the league, too, with the coach.

So I think there's a lot of talent at HBCUs is just a matter of taking a chance on them. But I think the pandemic really impacted, not only HBCUs, but a bunch of FCS schools in general. So with the HBCU combine and then some other things that they do have planned, the Legacy Bowl is another one down in New Orleans. I think it takes place February 19th with the NFL network. So they're doing a good job. That's why it's trying to promote HBCUs. So we'll see what does happen. I think there's a ton of players that have a chance of getting drafted this year.

Well, Jordan Reed, thank you so much for joining And we hope to have you back soon And I know he's running around He's at the Hula Bowl All this stuff, hardworking dude Great takes on draft prospects Check him out at ESPN Thanks Jordan

Absolutely, thanks as always Chris anytime Go Whoa