Green Light with Chris Long - Peter Schrager! NFL Training Camp Observation Deck. 2023 NFL HOF. Edwin Diaz & Closer Walk Up Songs.

Episode Date: August 9, 2022

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Good morning football's Peter Schrager's on today. He's going to run through some training camp storylines. Talk about the best team from the AFC East. Do the Cardinals or the Rams have the most going for them in the AFC West? The most surprising team in the league so far. And who he saw slinging the football in the Bahamas. Chris and Dr. Fax are going to start the show off talking about Edwin Diaz and the best baseball clothes are walkout songs.

Chris is also joining a softball. team and we've run through the code breaks and unwritten rules. We appreciate you all listening. Enjoy the show and enjoy your day. Okay, so Google was down just a couple minutes ago. This is, it's Monday night. I just got home. First thing that happens is the internet goes out. That's not surprising. Come to find out, Google was out for a period of how long, Matt? About two or three minutes. It's a long time to not be able to Google, uh, space. telescope image chorizo or Francis Cleveland ass there's a guy who said we did the first the first ladies draft that we recorded a while back we we did that the other

day you probably know that yeah a lot of rave reviews I feel like no news is good news but one guy took issue with me saying that Francis Cleveland had cakes because he said couldn't find it anywhere. They fact checked you on that? I mean, search harder. I found it. That's crazy. So yeah,

you couldn't Google any of this shit. So what does that mean, Matt? You're stuck with Bing. So that's the thing. I was wondering if people were just on other search engines. I know the seeing if Bing's still around. I know the people from In and Explorer are kicking themselves right now because they just retire in an Explorer like maybe not too long ago.

Yeah. But this four minutes literally could have been the resurgence. Think about the four minutes where if everyone went to Internet Explorer, that could have brought them back. That could have been the four minutes enough to not put them out of retirement, get enough whatever going, boom. And it's like Google got Wally Pipped. They could have got Wally Pipped.

But Internet Explorer was sleep at the wheel. That's crazy, dude. I know those guys are probably like whoever decided to do. that they're probably like damn first time since 2003 i don't think i realistically i think they're like well fuck man but you got you got you got to be wishing like if you're a company like that you got to be wishing for that to happen at some point like you're rooting against the other search like you don't you don't want it to all go down but if it if it shuts down just in the world we live in if it shuts down just for a little bit and you know people need the internet and they're going to go

somewhere that's when you really got to take advantage of it 40% of the world's internet activity I thought that was the figure floated. Yeah, in 2013, when it happened, internet traffic globally decreased by 40%. And today it seems like a lot of people went to Twitter to post their like 505 cannot find from Google to see if other people couldn't use Google. And then everybody's freaking off for about two minutes. People are just accidentally going to Twitter and typing in like big natural breasts and tweeting it. Like thinking that they're in, thinking that they're on Google or something. people are just old people

they're malfunctioning right now dude I want to shout out my parents I'm back I'm back from Montana I was there about five weeks and you know whenever I have to leave I wish it was longer but I had to leave my parents there my parents have a place not far from where

we have our little cabin legitimately a little cabin too I showed you the pictures so that you know it's not a very very very big it's a humble it's nice it's nice so it's beautiful um needless to say though my parents have a big cabin so we like to go over there and you know like eat dinner there and hang out with them and you know the kids love seeing them and so do we um so we see them a lot over five weeks and and uh

i just i wrote out a thank you note to my parents okay mom and dad thank you for the hospitality you took the kids for multiple sleepovers that was really nice by the way mom cooked multiple dinners lobster rolls in particular very very good. Dad was especially helpful facilitating not one but two open water rescues. So thank you for that, dad. I also want to thank Eric from Colorado who had Starlink in his camper when we lost our RV keys 90 minutes outside of cell service. So thank you Eric in addition to my family. Okay. You lost your RV keys? So that was so what? Listen, I'm not. saying we need to look back at the tape to see if my wife ever had the keys but oh my god i

no one knows how the keys got lost i'm not saying it wasn't how great was that argument so let me paint me paint a picture let me paint this picture for you mate talking about who drove i drove it's your fault i drive it no well okay maybe it's your fault probably is i'm sorry they're mitigating circumstances there's not though if you drove it's your fault i've already made with the fact that it's my fault. Okay, okay, okay. I'm purely, I'm a coach at the podium right now. We're not trying to make excuses, but, you know, the wind, we had some injuries, like,

I had to carry a bunch of shit for the family. Like, I was like a, I was, so we were camp next to a river, 90 minutes outside of cell service. Okay, it's grizzly bear country. There's wolves. Actually, when we pulled into the camp, I was like, we're going to see a wolf tonight, but we're at the very least going to see, we're going to hear some. wolves and at that point it was like a cool thing right we've got this class C motor coach and it's not like one of the big quicks buses like sh but it's like a 24 foot is a four wins by

thor okay which is a really nice motor coach rented it from a woman named joanna who's going to come into play in this story but we pull up to this campsite it's idyllic it's uh there's a river there's large mountains nobody's on the i mean it's we're off the grid a little bit a little little bit. And I see there's one other trailer. Looks pretty well outfitted. I take a mental note of that. We go down the river. I got to ford the river, carry the kids. There's an island in the middle of the river where we want to set up camp, not camp, but just set up and drink some beer and watch the kids play in the river. Somewhere in that process, the keys got lost, okay? And we didn't know it until 9.30, 10 at night when I was asking where the keys were so we could close a window because it's getting

dark the bugs are horrific oh yeah and the grizzly bear thing like we smell like casadillas right did the case adia is the whole thing man when i found out like in my brain in my little brain that we didn't have keys anymore i heard the dumb and dumber music and when i tell you that like meg and i simultaneously like asked each other for a minute outside the camper like boys keep playing uno we got to talk outside she came around the front of the camper dude and walked right up and was like we are fucked i was like i wonder what the temperature's going to be here well i know now and i said i know we're fucked can you try to stay calm because like yo because you know like in any survival situation you got to

stay calm. I watch alone. That's essentially what we were. You're scaring me. With a few more tools and shit. Right? Not just a Flint stink. I had a class C camper. Listen, there was an open window. We were good about the food

and everything. But yeah, we were, here's what we were going to have to do. Dad was going to have to stay up all night with the 357 on his lap in the passenger seat and just stay awake with his eyes and his ears open. Well, everybody else was going to get to sleep. And in the morning, I was going to hike out to the road, flag somebody down, and ask if they're going through town, if they can call this woman Joanna who's got the spare.

Oh my God. Miracle, though, Nate. She came to check on you. No, she didn't come to check on me. She was like an hour and a half away. The guy with the fancy camper pulls back into camp and his forer at about 11 o'clock at night. I go over there and like I had just gone in the river. it was dark. I'm afraid of bears

like realistically. I've got a gun. I'm holding the gun out of the river so it doesn't get wet. I don't know if that makes a difference. Does it make a difference? They still shoot? It's fucking kind of cold now. Like I think I hear rocks on the opposite bank. So I'm like, I got to

talk to this guy. I roll up to his window. I look like I'm going to fucking rob him or something. He's nice enough to talk to me. And the guy has Starlink, dude. He has Elon Musk internet and I'm able to call Joanna and Joanna wait wait wait wait wait what Starlink it's yeah exactly so it's like super expensive internet that you can take remotely with you anywhere in the world you could take it to Maui in a little bit when you

go for the the camping trip that you're about it sounds way too expensive for me already well it is expensive and supposedly there's a waiting list but this guy had circumnavigated both challenges and he had fucking internet where I could text like I'm telling you 90 minutes from where I'm going to get my next text text message I mean like you know miles and miles of wilderness and this guy uh was really cool he offered me a bowl we packed a bowl I gave him a Sierra Nevada and I'm pretty sure he was terrified of me like 30 minutes before but after that we were like best friends and he helped me get Joanna who said I'll come out tonight I don't want you guys to have to spend the night I don't have to come out in the morning I'll come out tonight she came out

1230 at night so a big shout out to Joanna that five stars that is awesome hospitality the kicker the next day we took the kids to the water park after the water park we're almost home free and meg rips the fucking handle off the refrigerator in the camper yeah because it wouldn't open so she just she's just pulling on and I'm watching the whole thing you know where you You're just watching the whole thing. And you're like, you're like, well, maybe don't pull heart. Like, next thing you know, Meg goes flying towards the cab with the handle in her hand.

So we've got to, so big shout out to Joanna and her husband. They're really, really nice people. It's funny you said that because me and my girl, we're going to Maui in a few weeks. And we have a free day before my sister and her wife and my niece get there. Yeah. We're staying in like a nice suite. down there on a resort.

But we're getting there a day early. And I think I'm going to take my first big step out of my comfort zone. And me and my girl, we're going to rent a camper. I tell you. You're kind of white-boying a little bit. Very white-boeing. I'm very scared. And what I'm afraid of is a situation, just like you said,

like something that we're not thinking about that can potentially happen. and looking at some of these campers, just like you said, like what happens if we get a camper and the window doesn't work or whatever? No, just try not to lose the keys like this idiot did. I mean, just try not to do that. And you'll be in Hawaii.

There's no Grizzlies up there. There's no, you know, there's no, I didn't even get to the mountain lines. Oh, right? Yeah, I guess, I guess I don't know what you have to worry about out there. Nothing, dude, just some bugs maybe. I'm sure there's some Hawaiian bros out there who are like, dude there's some fucking some scary shit out here but i don't know i've never camped out there um also yeah my dad

had to rescue me twice ran out of gas on a boat on the boat took me i got dinner i was like hey you want to go out dinner drive 30 minutes and run out of gas after dinner chop was picking up the whole thing had to call my dad okay that's pretty emasculating and then uh the other one was we had that conquering killy reunion where everybody uh that climbed killy yeah you know comes out if they want to and we had five, six guys or whatever. Okay. A few of them veterans, right? So got some guys that have survived multiple tours,

some guys that probably been shot at, fucking just legitimate badasses. I got to pick them up when they arrive at their little hotel. And we're over the weight limit in the boat, and the boat starts filling with water a half mile off the shore. Wait, wait, so you picked them up from their hotel on the boat. Multiple tours, and they almost, I almost killed them.

Because could they swim in shit? I mean, sure. Yeah. But I mean, like, imagine, imagine being a veteran. So the boat just stopped. So what did you do? Put your ass on the line for the country, only to get home. And as part of the thank you, you get to go to somebody's Kilimanjaro reunion and fucking sink a half mile off the coast on Flathead Lake.

Wait, so you guys just sunk? No, we didn't. I called my dad. So when that happens, what's the protocol? You just stop the boat? Well, we had to turn around before the boat fill it up with water. It's a Boston whaler, so it's not going to sink. It's 20-foot Montauk, if that means anything.

No, I have no idea what you mean. That doesn't mean anything to me either. Okay, because I'm just thinking about a boat filling with water. But I want to spread the blame appropriately because I'm a team guy. I think it's Bo Allen's fault. Bo Allen was on the boat. Imagine if Bo Allen wasn't on the boat. We missed the cutoff on the weight limit by like 200 pounds.

So we got back to shore. My dad rolled up in his big ass cobalt. It's beautiful. Dad, your boat's fucking sick. He loves to roll up in that boat. I don't blame him. He's like the Coast Guard. So shout out to my parents. It was an awesome vacation.

Sounds amazing. Yeah, it was great vacation. I mean, I did my best to fuck it up, as you can tell. But it was cool. I'm planning on crashing next year.

Yeah, maybe we could do some content. Anytime, bro. Anytime. And now weed is legal out there too? Yeah, I could always use somebody to blame the keys on or.

Oh, you should get Meg to do some content. It seems like she does a feat of strength every time you go on vacation. That's so funny. Punch the dude. Yeah. She ripped the handle off the door.

Rip the handle off the door. Yeah. Last time she damn near broke the little punching bag game in Mexico. The woman behind the desk was like hardest woman hit all time. That's, she wasn't great. She didn't have great English. And she was like, hardest woman hit all time. And my heart was like, all right.

Cool. The thing was like up near 900, dude. You just see if Meggo did a pillow fight in. The pillow fighting? She, she needs to do something to get that aggression out. Anyways, the Diaz intro, that's the thing I want to talk about first. I said this morning when I woke up upon watching this Edwin Diaz video, the Mets closer, he's having one of those summers that I think people are going to be like, remember when?

Yeah, it's like one of those like, it's a sport where it happens over and over. And like it's a city that starred for it. You know, like in Queens, like with Mets fans, Mets Jets, Jets, they're more, but isn't it, they're more hungry for a feel good kind of story. And they're not only ahead of the Braves by a few games, which is kind of unlikely. They're also, they've got these electric players, like the people are getting behind. And this guy's one of them, and he's got the best intro music, maybe of all time, uh, entrance music for a closer, maybe of all time.

And I'm not, I know, I know there's a lot of competition there. And we'll get to that, but I'm putting them in that in that category. I just think it's crazy that like a song and music is kind of fueling not to take away from Edwin. Not to take away from him, but the fact that his walkout music is sparking, like he's a great pitcher, but it's sparking the virulness for the awareness of him is just like a crazy dynamic. And just the thing about also the dynamic. It says more about baseball, I think, than anything. Yeah.

Because he's playing so well if it was football, you know exactly who the fuck he was. Yeah. baseball fans do yeah but it's just that like now if people hear that song it's it's something where there's millions of people who've never paid attention or heard that song before and you still might not even know the name of that song but you know when you hear those trumpets you're thinking about oh that baseball player from the Mets hell yeah he gets busy when this song i'm gonna be in jewish weddings like is the is edwin uh diaz in the in the wedding party right because it kind of does sound like some of that uh that you know that that havin the gala havin the gala that's what it is that's a

banger too i love horns man whatever culture's playing horns you draw me in dude this is these trumpets these trumpets are awesome but the whole thing is Nate you were making this point earlier how about the bag hopefully the artist is getting yo and that's yep that's the next dynamic to it is just that think about the amount of downloads that this song is getting and we just listen to the whole thing and it's just like people might not even listen to the whole thing because the meat of that song or those trumpets are right at the beginning. Oh yeah. And when you hear that, like I could, I wonder the percentage of downloads has probably gotten in the past week or so since this has been going viral. Oh man, how many multiples of a thousand over

millions. I mean like this guy. You got to think about TikTok like TikTok like TikTok's a new thing. So this clip playing on TikTok is probably going. Oh my God. It's going. Billions. This guy, I mean, like, you know, you had the Stevie Nix resurgence with Ocean Spray guy. This is like being born out of like TikTok or, you know, I don't, I've never heard of this guy. I'm sure he's like a big deal maybe somewhere. But in America now, dude, New York, you're getting fucking spins. I'm sure.

I'm sure he's getting spins anyways in New York. I know I'm white as fuck and I don't know where certain people live and everything. But I just like, there's a lot of white people now. But think about this. In the stand, just fist pump. Doing this weird queen's fist pump. You heard it here. At some point, they're probably going to get those artists to come to the stadium live.

And they're going to do that live and have that trumpet player. I hope he's getting the bag, dude. Yeah, I hope so too. I hope he's getting the bag, dude. And I'm telling you what, my family's going to feed this artist, you know, ourselves. Because at once a day, at the very least, I'm playing this thing. I decided this morning this is my intro music in the morning. So I have like a little surround sound in the kitchen and I'm usually one last up in the house usually the last up

Shout out Meg and you know like in the morning we work late here in the morning I'll just cue the Bluetooth up to a song to get the kids hype before I come down And and this is gonna be the song now and my kids are gonna fucking love it like they're gonna love it My wife shout out be rolling her eyes a day or two in but my kids are gonna love it Shout out to Billy Cuffy. Me and Cuffy used to listen to Just to Get Bye by by Talebqualee every single morning. To wake up. To wake up to go from Cavalier in to McHugh Center during camp.

You know that's funny? Just to get by. At night, we used to listen to a spaceship in camp. Remember spaceship? Yes. This is this old 2008 shit. But how old are we? Holy shit.

All right, so the best or the most notable closing picture entrance songs I mean everybody loves Mariano Rivera like understand man that's like the unanimous number one yeah Okay I just want to say and read you

You said you might have one that's better You want to say the player's name at the same time See if we got the same one I'll just say this the worst one ever This is basically the antithesis of Jonathan Papalban playing drop kick Murphys every time he took the fucking field, dude. I hate that song so much.

Oh. I hate that fucking song so much. I don't like the Red Sox either. You've talked about hating that song on the pot a number of times. Oh my God, dude. Do you still like The Departed, though? Yeah, I like The Departed, but, you know, the movie was just fine.

Here's a good question. Do you know, is there a lot of rap songs, like, pick those walk out, or is it just, like, alternative stuff? I'm not really sure, but that's a good question. To be honest, there's not a black closers, especially. I'm just curious,

like now that you guys are saying it, because it's something that for me, until this is going viral, I don't know how much, like, if I'm not a, like, I'm not a real baseball fan.

So, like, I wonder if guys are, like, in the stadium and you're just, like, waiting for a closer to come out and you hear,

and you're like, yes, like, yes. Like, Like this is the guy. No, no, no. Yeah, I think that's going on right now with the mess.

Yeah, that's what's happening. This is, dude, this guy is, this guy is legitimately owning the summer up there. I mean, he's, think about how many times he's having sex. He's just sitting in a smoky, like, fucking cigar bar. And this music's playing on loop. And there's just hot women walking in and walking out all day long. Here's a, here's a hot take. he absolutely hates this song now because it's too much.

He doesn't hate this song. And anytime he walks in anywhere, they automatically assume that he loves this song, but it's just like, nah, chill. No, I don't think so. And here's another one. The artist, you were brought up the artists earlier. How interesting is this, like, fading? So if they go to the playoffs, the longer this guy's closing games,

like the better it is for this guy's music, presumably. do you hedge and like fade the fuck out of the Mets like after like round one you're like well if he's gonna lose here I better make like a million dollars off it do you think that's a viable play that actually is a viable play for the artist yeah isn't it that makes sense I never thought of that but no I mean who would have thought of it I mean it's some stupid shit oh no a degenerate gambling yeah but I'm just thinking about this I'm like if I'm this guy wherever I am and I'm like man that you know, fuck, I might make a million dollars. Yeah, the market, listen, the marketing.

I put $500,000 on the fucking the Braves. That Edwin's marketing. Not tell Edwin. Edwin's marketing agent and then this music guy, whoever there, if they haven't been talking and they, if they haven't already done about four different commercials or something like that by now, like they have to. They have to because it's just too viral. Okay.

It's honestly too viral. Okay. So, so read. Read. Oh, yeah. Ready on three? Okay, one, two, three.

Trevor Hoffman. Rick Wild Thing Vaughn. Fuck. You did the thing where he picked his favorite president. That's right. From a movie, you motherfucker. All right. Trevor Hoffman,

because that's ACDC, right? Trevor Hoffman, yeah, Hells Bells. Yeah, so that's interesting. Trevor Hoffman did Hells Bells. And you had Rick Wilde. By the way, John Smoltz did like Dancing Queen.

Did you, I read that an article today. You know when you're just Googling, well, thank God I wasn't doing it during the big blackout. But I was Googling, you know, the best, the best clothes or songs like any podcaster would today. And I'm like, fuck, John Smoltz was cool as fuck, dude. He had a, he just went dancing queen to like bring the party to Fulton. And Dennis Eckersley and Goose Gossage did Bad to the Bone, which is too chalky. that's a late Dennis Eckersley thing right? Because

Matt just said it and a fact check you here but you said what year was it that they started doing closer Well they started doing it a long time ago With the organ going way back but they didn't use Like recorded music until the Mariners Did it in 1990 Imagine trying to have a custom organ

Jam How fucking laying that that would have been Bind's a little different It goes Doodoo do I wonder everybody knows that's fucking Sy Young I wonder how many artists right now Yeah are asking players like hey

I'll slide you this amount of money if you put me as your walkout music Yeah, that's true There's more people That's a really good point more like small musicians petitioning Studios to pick up their music like giving them their CDs Or petitioning professional athletes Hey this is my best song So for me I would I wonder

You're like, you know a lot of athletes, you always have friends and stuff like that. Like I would think probably every pro athlete has like a friend or an associate that does something with music. And I feel like I wonder if there's any like guys that have like, hey, like this is my cousin or this is my homeboy. I grew up with have like their songs or if it's just like I think it's probably like a big business thing. And these labels are probably like dishing out some sort of money maybe because it's promotion. You know, ultimately everything is. Yeah. And branding.

It really is. Right. Marketing. So, facts. What if we found a closer that we just took a liking to? Maybe like just one that just fits our brand. And we make a song for him. No, we don't make a song.

When he goes out, it's just like the beginning of one of our segments. And we pay him. Fire. Why don't we do that? We could do it. We can do it. Who wants to be? Honestly, here's a curveball.

You might not, you might. Good pun. Here's a real, a good one. We should find one of the closers for the Savannah bananas. Oh, no, no, no. I'm thinking New York Yankees. No, no, no, no. But like, listen, they get more views than the Yankees sometimes, though.

The Savannah bananas? Yes. Okay. That's the twist where we need the views for TikTok and things like that. That's true. And they get that, bro. That's true. So it might be more, it might be better.

Yeah. To pitch it to someone like that. do a much cheaper okay good i like where your heads are all right good have you been watching any um little league world series no no but i do want to gamble on it i watched some today do want to gamble yo there's a team that had a little girl on it in the middle of the lineup bottom of it's only bottom of the sixth yeah they're down one to three two people on or zero to three and you're regular Vin Scully. Yo, she almost, she hit a dinger, bro.

She, she hit a dinger that almost went out. And she was about to be the hero. Yeah. But like, it was a ground rule double. Yeah. But I was like, I was like really proud of this, like, this little girl because, like, she was the only little girl on the team. Yeah.

Two outs. It was a big play. Yeah. I was, I tweeted earlier. I still had a little bit. with a shroom still in my system. So I think I was a little more engaged. You were watching the Little League World Series on mushrooms?

Yo, but listen. How much? Listen. How much? I was like. How many mushroom? It was from yesterday. It was a, it was a come down from yesterday.

I'm going to be on a softball team. I just, I just found out I made the team. No inclusion. Well, dude, Kyle said the same thing. Kyle was like, you never invite me to the softball team. Yeah, you don't invite anybody, bro. Okay.

But I was just, I was just found out of that. was invited you don't get to get invited like they they called for me like they fucking they it's like a big deal they like come to your door and shit but i was out of town so they texted me and you you're like sitting here thinking about you what about us okay like bro i'm gonna win MVP of that league that's good marketing for us you know what's to be even better marketing yeah i'm gonna find another team in that league oh that's good stuff that's what i'm gonna do Please do. Tell Kyle.

Tell Kyle. Kyle is all, woe is me. Didn't call me for anything. Kyle, you play golf every day. You never call me about golf. You've never invited me to play golf one time.

Okay? And you want me to invite you to the first. I got invited. But they tapped me, bro. You ever hear when they tap somebody, they tapped me. How, you're not going to,

you're not doing this softball thing. I'm doing the softball thing, like you're going to be on schedule with it. I'm going to be on schedule with it. They have practices and shit or just just show up? I think it's on the players to get better. If you're a pro, who needs to be? So anyways, I think I need, it's all about unwritten rules in baseball.

I figure it's the same way in softball, right? So what are the unwritten rules? I got questions, Reed. I don't know. You can't run into the catcher at the plate. I can't do the, who was it, is it Crash Davis? It was Kyle Collins, right? Yes.

Yeah, Al Collins, your dad. That's true. I forgot about that. Dr. Fax's dad trucked a guy at the company picnic. Okay, so number one, don't pull it Al Collins. The upset you're out and you're out of the game.

That's so good because Al's 6-5, 260. He's a truck, dude. Oh, way too competitive. Al just wanted to win, dude. Oh, my God. Way too competitive. Okay, so I did, I asked people on Twitter, what are the unwritten rules and people had a bunch of fucking unwritten rules. Surprise, surprise.

Wait, can I ask you a question first? Sure, sure, sure, sure. What position are you playing? Haven't decided. I haven't decided what's the position where I can least likely get hit in the balls? Left field. But there's also a lot of pressure. You could lose that ball in the lights, dude.

You could lose that ball in the lights. Bro. And if you try to tell you, I got to tell you, I got to. a mission. You're not good. I don't want them to hit the ball to me. No, I am. I don't think so. Okay. Find out. I don't think so. Find out. Tuesdays and Thursdays. Find out.

One of these Tuesdays are Thursdays when you line up across from me. But here's the deal. I'm just telling you all, I don't want the ball hit to me. You know everybody wants to say, oh, I want to catch the ball with the game a lot. Hit it to me. This isn't football, okay? And I'm 37 years old. I've had a good run. Something's inevitably going to go bad here. And I just don't want to embarrass the team, right? I don't want to embarrass the team. I don't want to let my teammates down.

I don't want to lose a ball in the lights, get my fucking face shattered, having to get reconstructive surgery, a bunch of plastic surgery to make me look all good looking and shit. I'd hate for that to happen. I would too. But you have to. But yeah, but like you have to play the outfield because there's going to be. Ground ball. It just goes through my legs.

It goes all the way to the fence. Everybody's like doing this. It's fucking people like, God, damn it. Just don't play any position on the infield, bro, because at the end of the day, you're just going to up your chances of what you're saying, because it's more about these people when they're throwing you the ball and the people who are going to be running, they're going to be running hard. You know what?

You're right. I want to be a right fielder. But you're going to have to stretch, bro. If you're going to be serious, you're going to have to run a lot. I know I'm going to run. I'm going to stretch, dude. Yeah. And I'm going to wear a cup.

No, I'm not going to wear a cup. I could tell you don't. You don't hit dingers, though. I hit dingers, dude. No, you don't. Like, I can kind of tell, bro. You don't hit dingers. That was one of the, in the responses to your tweet, Big Al, shout out Big Al.

He told you to hit dingers. Well, Al, I'll try. He wants you to hit dingers. Thanks, Al. Thanks, Al. Big Al. So can I pimp it? Yeah, definitely pimp it.

You want to swing hard. The most popular ones were drink beer, bring beer, and share the beer. Yeah, okay. They want you to grill. you had a couple verified responses in your tweet Glenn Mancow said he told you to bring beer

and then Michael Buffer responded and said if you're a base runner don't leave the bag till the ball crosses the plate or in the catcher's mitt some rules say when the ball leaves the pitcher's hand

I got burned many years ago when misinformed by a first base on you had some bad info there Michael he stole second he was pinch running for Richard Pryor in a celebrity game and the home played um called him out

hey Kenny Maine that just reminded me at Kenny Maine's great story when Kenny Maine was on here talking about they had a all-star game in Seattle and I got to go out to that one with my dad because he was playing in a celebrity softball game Kenny Maine was in it Kenny Maine ran right through

the outfield fence after a fly ball he like went right through it Michael Buffer is the announcer right Michael Buffer yeah yeah Bruce Buffer and Michael Buffer and Michael Buffer Shout out to those guys. Yeah. Let's get ready to rumbo.

Yeah. Do you hear that recent story about him? What? That he was in an elevator with a UFC fighter, and the UFC fighter was talking to Dana White, and Michael Buffer interrupted, and the UFC fighter karate chopped him in the neck. And Michael Buffer squared up with this UFC fighter

for eight floors until the door opened. No. With Dana White in the elevator. No, Michael Buffer? And I forgot the hands, dude? And they hugged it out. Michael Buffer was happy because he said, at least Dana White knows,

like not a chump is announcing his fights. God damn, right in front of Dana White. How crazy is that? It's like impressing your dad if you work for UFC or something. Frank Tig was the fighter. Frank Tig. Let me see Frank Tig. But imagine that.

I don't want to fight any of them in an elevator. But imagine like you see him. Imagine you see him down. I'd rather fight him in an elevator than anywhere. But look, imagine you see Dana White and you're excited and you just say hello, but like the dude was talking to him and he just karate chopped you in the neck. It's incredible, dude. These guys are just different. They're just different. All right. So softball, okay, I can pimp home runs. I need to play right field. You got to bring beer.

Got to bring beer. They said, uh, don't. I can hit my vape pen in the outfield, dude. Yes, certainly. Oh, I'm going to be in right field. They said not to wear baseball pants. So bring your shorts. You got to. plenty of room in the shorts. Why? Why not? Why not baseball pants?

Don't be a try hard. You don't want to be a try hard. You don't want to be a try hard. But wear eye black. You miss the pink. Don't wear eye black. Come on. Eye black.

Put eye black on. Backwards hat. Okay. There was a ton of don't hit it back at the pitcher. Apparently hitting it up the middle is a no-no. Like purposefully. If you do it on an accident, no worries. But if they were like, if you hit it at the pitcher hard, just walk back to the dugout,

you're out. Wow. What? Don't take walks. Pitchers are like quarterbacks in that league. Yeah, I mean, you're like you're, you're going to be hitting balls off like a 60-year-old person. Okay. You're also closer than a baseball field. Yeah.

Yeah. At Villa Crick v. said, $500 bat and wrap around Oakley's. Your jersey number is either zero, zero, or 69. Argue with the 18-year-old umpire to impress your girlfriend. Well, I have a wife. and she won't be there. I'm pretty sure she. So, yeah.

Over under. Yeah. The amount of, the amount of home runs over, not in the parkers. Are you going to play with, is it going to be a fence? Yeah. But is it like a doesn't matter?

Yeah, but like in the park home runs, like that's not a home run. Like I want to know how many. I'll find a fence and I'll hit a bit of a fence. Like that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. You don't think I'm going to get one? I want to.

No. How many home runs you personally think you're at how many games? First weekend. No, five though. I don't know how many games. I'm going to hit five home runs. Hell no, bro. Maybe some inside the park, some outside the park.

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You know, that's what steroids do to you. Just get that vitamin IV. Trinket particles. I'm going to be walking around with small testicles for a softball league. I'm not getting on a thing for this stuff, dude. Empty ideas said never hustle. If you're out, you're out. But if you're on steroids, you have small balls.

Don't have to wear a cup. I could play the hot corner with no fear. Right. Frank Zilkowski said, roll up your sleeves, wear lots of wristbands up your arms, maybe one or two on your calf. There will be wristbands.

Hat backwards, sunflower seeds, lots of them. There's a bag, Matt's bag of sunflower seeds is probably sitting around here. I can dip, right? Yeah.

Okay. You have to. Okay. That's, you literally, that's the first thing the ref checks. He says, metal spikes and dip.

Okay, cool. Can I bring my family like kind of a fan club, like a cheering section? Like do people have their own cheering sections? Yes, but if you strike out, your family goes home with the pitcher. Oh, really? Yeah. How many times can I strike out? I guess just once.

Then a home run brings them back. All right. Tell the pitcher. My son likes Bluey. And if you give him an iPad, you can just go do whatever the fuck you. more. Okay. So, you know what me and Reid should do? What? We should pick a game and we should live stream and we should like do a pod and just like just focus on Chris, focus on his mannerisms in the dugout. What's my entrance song? That'd be fun. And just make fun of them. Just troll them.

Okay. Charlie H. Badda, badda, bad, better, better, better. That one's really, that was tough. I don't know if I'm going to be able to overcome that one. Charlie H. said, an infield skip throw that bounces at least once across the hard dirt is an impressive sign of one's ingenuity, not a weak arm. Okay. So just keep that in mind. Yeah, yeah, if you are at the hot corner. In the event.

And Ryan Chambers said, act hard, grill harder. Oh. M.TW6 said, you can't leave first until you chug a beer. Any man's scoring has to chug a beer. You have to chug a beer at the top of all odd number innings. And the fourth inning is the beer inning. Jesus Christ This sounds like

an excuse to be an alcoholic is honestly what it sounds like to me All right So I'm gonna bring my vices But I'm not gonna be doing all this Getting hung over on a Wednesday morning Plus you're dehydrated You're playing a sport here

Wait wait wait wait wait They're morning games No but I mean like Wednesday morning You're gonna feel these fucking games dude All right so Here's a bet You're gonna keep batting I can keep batting average stats right

Do people do that shit? All right. Throw a number out there, over under. It's your softball reference.com. So they have, they have them? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Let me just start the website.

Okay. All right. Well, good. So what do you think is going to be over under on the, give me a number that you think of? 225. Oh, over. Why do they think you're going to be so bad at softball?

It's okay, guys. I think it's harder than you think. It is hard. It's hard. I like a challenge. That's why I accepted this. Are you playing in like a real league? Are these people like, have they been like, like playing together for years or like what kind of competition are you playing against?

Is it a senior citizen league? Is it a charity league or? Hold on a second. Let me call my friend and find out. Because if it's a serious league with people who play seriously, I do not think that they're going to let Chris come in and be like, oh, I'm just killing it. Hell no. His first game's going to be against the UVA baseball alumni. Oh, and I'm going to fucking drag them, dude.

No, and you're Chris Long. So at the end of the day, it's another notch. Even if no one else, they don't strike anyone else out. What kind of people are you thinking of playing? It's like, yes. Bro, it's bragging rights, bro. It's bragging rights. Yeah.

You got to think about it like that. I guess you're right. Everybody wants to get at the successful podcast. Watch, bro. You're going to see. but at the same token I just texted my teammate

at the same token you're not hitting dingers so like you're barely gonna get on base bro all right pro we'll say this is just this is crazy

I'm gonna light the league on fire unless it's errors like I don't I don't see Chris get no Nate if you and Chris were head to head in a home run derby

you would win 1,000% oh my god dude you have got to be kidding me that's our next great No, no, here, original content.

It's going to be a home run derby. Yeah, we'll do a home run derby for sure. Can we do it with baseballs too, though? Baseball, you might have me, but no, like, it might. Bro, no, not like, don't. Softball, too, though. No. Yeah.

No. Bro. Bro. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah, we will see. We'll see out. We'll settle it out on the, on the diamond.

I wish we had a bad idea. Call Kyle, too, because he's super bummed. He wasn't on the team. Oh, no. Kyle can't. That's like me wanting to go be in a flag football league, Kyle. That's super lame, Kyle. You're actually really good.

Like, you were drafted by the white socks. What is this? Kind of Uncle Rico shit is this, Kyle? Huh? Kyle definitely hits dingers. Oh, Dong's ding. He probably rips the skin off. He's got a really smooth swing.

He posted on Twitter right after. If it was a golf ball, hey, my man could could hit the laces off. of baseball. All right, so we need to get to football and we got Schrager coming up here shortly. So let's just get, let's get to it. Reed, you got some stuff from camp and then we'll get on to Schrager. Yeah, we had a video the other day, uh, one-on-one pass rush. Jordan Davis faced off against Cam Juergens and the center jumped back. He was getting kind of, uh, ridiculed online. To his defense, he did what he was supposed to do. He stayed in front of him, realistically. He would

push the quarterback out of the pocket, but. Ends getting the sack there. Say again? The end's getting the sack there. If the end is doing what he's supposed to do, yes, he is getting the sack. But realistically, in the one-on-one drills, it's not a loss for Jordan Davis. No. But it's not a win. No, what it is is more just like, God damn, this guy's strong. And you can see if you get an undersized center, it could be a long day at the office. Now, you're going to have help. It's one-on-one pass rush. Okay, so O'Lyman are sitting there at home, listen and being like, you can't take anything from O'L.

Mitchell Schwartz had a tweet, cracks knuckles. One, after three seconds, the center's feet are at five yards. By the way, it was 2.5 seconds, Mitchell. I timed it. You know, this is exactly like an argument would go in the lunchroom after one-on-ones. Like, you know, like neither side can concede.

And I see what he's saying. The center second, Roxanne. He's getting chipped. He's getting double team. He's getting hit. his ribs. Right, but what he's saying is after three seconds of center's feeder at five yards, four seconds are at seven yards, plenty of room in the

pocket, ball is gone, W. I think that's hyperbolic. I think, I think the Jordan Davis hype on that video is hyperbolic, but I think this is like, this is not, come on, Mitchell. Like, that's definitely, if that happens,

you know, sure, you're going to have, somebody's going to drill him in the shoulder. Like the guard's going to drill Jordan Davis in the shoulder, but good luck. What if the guard's undersized? Listen. How many guards do you have on the field? Every team, and this is, every team has that old lineman that during pass rush, no matter what, no matter how you win, they're going to be like, ball's gone. No question.

No question. No question. And I'm not saying that was Garza. I can literally hear Roberta Garza. Anytime I would get a win, ball would be gone. Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. Ball be gone.

They can't. And they're so sensitive about one-on-ones because it is slanted for us to win, right? But football is slanted for them to win. They just have to stay in the way of us and like grab and they don't call holding and shit. So like, oh, so what? There's a dro we might win every now and a fucking again. All right? So like, yeah, anyways, I think Mitchell's overreacting a little bit to, but I get it because I went through the mentions on this thing.

Whether you're in the Jordan Davis mentions or you're in the fucking Mitchell Schwartz mentions, people don't get pass rush. They just don't get line play, dude. It is frustrating as fuck. I can imagine it's got to be one of the most frustrating. Well, I don't have to imagine. It's one of the most frustrating occupations to read other people's thoughts on

up there with being an astronaut, I feel like. So there was a player, Trayvon Diggs. He ended up deleting his social media. Yeah, this is... After three plays went viral from camp. Now, this is another one where... how much does cornerback play one-on-one effect?

Because obviously you guys were saying, oh, the O-Lyman's going to, they're going to chip the defensive tackle. Yeah, that's right. There are situations where the cornerback's going to be on an island like that. Yeah. Does that play more into this situation? And also,

do you think deleting social media is a viable way for him to deal with this? Yeah, I think. Yes. So, yeah. It's a good idea to delete social media. Fuck, I would certainly do it if it wasn't in my contract that we have to get a certain amount of impressions and that sort of thing.

But I will say, maybe could have waited a week and passed it off as like, hey, did some reflecting on my day off. You know, like to just to like come off the way it's being described to me, just leave the practice feeling being like, fuck, man, that's a bad look. That's a lot of, it's a lot of, it's a lot of, mason in one day.

It was just malsing out there. And he did leave practice early. Oh, why do you leave practice early? Could have been, you know, it could have been anything. You see, but it is, it is the perfect storm. It's the Cowboys. It's a star corner and it's, it's, the thing everybody gets and don't get at the same time is when a, when a receiver catches a ball over the top, it's easy to just point the finger

at somebody. And Trayvon Diggs is a guy who's, there's a narrative. and it's not just a narrative because he gave up more yards than any corner in the league last year that he's a home run hitter and you can go at him to get the little chunks

and eventually the big broken tackle or that sort of thing. So there's baggage here. I like Trayvon Diggs and I think he's making the right decision. It's funny that if I was Trayvon Diggs I would have waited like five days and been like

no, you can't because I'm getting mean messages about something to make some shit up. He did the right thing. because for him to defend himself or like online or whatever to defend himself, he's going to have to potentially talk shit about his teammates who are coming up. And at the end of the day, they made good plays against him.

And that's what I tweeted too is just like, yo, like people act like, you know, during camp, these guys who are low on the depth charts, these practice squad guys are fucking hungry as shit. Yeah, no question. They are waiting. Some of these guys, like, people have to understand, like, some of these plays that you've seen these guys make. Realistically, that's the only one-on-one play that they may be at got during that camp period. Like, guys, like, like, reps are very, very few for certain guys if you're coming up the depth chart. Unless they really think you're going to be a part of the plan, you may be getting.

You know, like, that Super Bowl team thing, like, you get everybody's best shot. Yeah. When you're Trayvon Diggs and dude from. You know, that's for me. state is out there. I need tape. At the end of the day, I know this camp tape is all I'm going to get. And hey, even if I don't go to another team, I know I could cop, I can videotape this on my phone off my iPad when I go in and I can say, hey, look, I did this. Like, hey, look, I did this on Trayvon Diggs. Look, I can play. Down in Carolina, there was a big play. Baker Mayfield hit

Richard Higgins for a 50-yard touchdown pass. Matt Rule was unhappy, though. He punished the offense for how Higgins crossed the goal line. Apparently he reached the ball across the goal line. And Matt Rule made the offense run laps. Good. So, okay, so here's a couple things here. First off, Carolina Panthers are on my all like eavesdrop team. Like of teams I, I don't need to know what the fuck's going on over there all the time, but I can't wait to just kind of pay attention to the Panthers. Panthers? They're on my all like, since I've been, ease drop teams. Like when I was, When I was in Canada and like Betten was like legal, like Panthers have been my all time like underdog team. You always bet them against the spread.

When they have, when they have big, big dogs. See if Nate's. No, like I'm like remembering them always being like. Well, I like, dude, Nate continue that. I mean, this year because I think the Panthers are going to be undervalued. Me too. This year. Me too.

You know, they've got some defensive pieces. You're sifting through the trash, hoping to find. Find something in quarterback. You know, you got a metal detector on the beach. You know, sometimes you find something. You pawn that motherfucker off make 10 grand, dude. That's what they're doing with quarterbacks. And that 10 grand might be Baker and Baker trying to prove a point.

That's what I'm saying. The first week, dude. And that blue and black? First week they're playing Cleveland. I cannot wait. Let's go. So anyways, Carolina is going to be interesting. And the question is, Matt Rule, is he out of line to punish the team for,

so it wasn't a celebration? It was that he held the ball out. That'll cost a game. No. No. It's not like a thing. Hey, if you drop the ball and it's the touchback. Was it that situation?

He reached the ball out because he was kind of by himself, reached the ball out. You can't do that. You can reach the ball out. No, but if you drop the ball and it rolls, like it happens, like that can happen. That's, so that's what they're, that's what Marrault in your head. Because if you're, if you're doing that in practice, that means you'll do that in the game. game and so hey if you make the entire team run and have everyone mad at you you're not going to do

that again okay so psychology here so like major so everybody remembers what that hot stove felt like right like just not even the running or anything it's just like fuck man we had to stop it's socially awkward right at camp to be that guy right there's fans there so no no i just your teammates nobody nobody wants to be that guy right in practice and nobody wants to be that guy right in practice and nobody wants God forbid you get stripped from behind, like Leon letted, or you drop the ball because this has happened,

and it's happened in the college game. And some people are sitting here being like, okay, boomer. And I'm like, well, y'all don't know shit about winning a fucking football game. Okay, I'm just telling you,

nobody wants to be the guy that puts their hands out and, like, relaxes their hands as the ball is crossing the goal line. Would I have done it as a coach? I don't know. I would have took the temperature of like how things were that day.

And maybe I'd have made a point about it. And I don't know how Matt Rule made the point. But I do think it's funny, right? It's funny on a couple levels here. This, this, this, this Washington football team guys dancing in, uh, and they're, they're doing the, they're doing the, they're doing the, is it a mega sci-fi? Are they doing the, are they doing, you didn't see the dance, but I don't see it. Anyways, these guys are doing their frat dance and stretches. And Barstool Sports got a hold of it. It was like, this is why the commanders are going to be, because it's easy content anybody could have tweeted that joke was on them batman right because

they didn't realize that they were poking the the greek the greek uh bear right which is is this bad deal you don't want to do that especially as a fucking fratty account like a barstool account so i think it's it's a funny um character study as like football fans because when we see a bad team dancing, take into account what I just said, we generally make fun of them because they shouldn't be dancing. They're bad. We get jokes off. But when Matt Rule tries to like be serious when his team sucks, like isn't that what you want? You want the coach to act like, you know, it's we don't have, we don't have, we got a lot to prove. We haven't done anything. Like you knew better. You need attention to the details. You knew better. You do better. So you have people attacking Matt

rule, and I'm not saying he's a good coach, but you have people attacking Matt Rule because it's easy say he hadn't done anything. What does he know? He's being the old guy raining on the parade, but maybe he's just trying to set a tone of like the details matter. I love it. So I'm, I'm not saying I love it. I love it. All I'm saying is like, it'll cost you a game, man. You can get the jokes off on Matt Rule, but would you get the jokes off on a better coach? And you could say if Bill Belichick did the same thing, you'd be like, oh, that's why he's great. Yep. but the reason Matt Rule shouldn't do it is because he hasn't done shit yet you know what I mean like you got to start somewhere so I don't really see that as a big deal

I really don't I don't see it as a big deal it's fucking coach shit coaches do this stuff man like when you're you're in training camp dude you're listen I'm not expecting fans of a mediocre team to understand stuff like that this this type of stuff of If you want your team to get better, but it's not fans of just the team. You have to pay attention to details. But whatever, like a team that like, it's just young people, dude.

It's just young people that like think anytime a coach is serious about something, that all that he's like a boomer or he's fucking, he's out of touch or he doesn't like young people or like he wants the players to be robots. There is definitely an element of like, yeah, you got to do shit the right way. You don't many times you get the bushes that they piss on. That just might be one from that rule. Matt Ruhle could have had a player that dropped the ball before the end zone.

I'll remember forever. I watch hours of football in the hotel room before pro games. I'll never forget when the Utah kid dropped the football on Saturday night before he got to the end zone. It's regular season game. I will never forget how fucking petrified I was for him, like just as an athlete when he dropped that ball. And they ended up, I think, losing that game. And this would have put them up like two touchdowns. This is a decade ago.

I remember this shit, dude. Remember this practice? What? Remember the practice when our college redacted coach made the coaches hit the fence? Outgrow? Yeah. Like hit the fence, like made the entire, he was upset at the whole the entire offense. He made the staff run and hit the fence.

Dude, Jordie Lipsy, 21-year-old kid from Florida is running with like fucking guy who's been in college football for 30 years. They're just running next to each other on the field. Just running. So everyone has a way to coach. You can't, hey, hey, man, you got to pay attention to details. If the coach wants you to run, you got to run. And people have to realize, too, it's camp. It's time to get, you got to get guys in shape.

Coaches, they have incorporate different things, change. I just don't think, sudden change. I just don't think it's worth, like, I just didn't think it was worth the story at all. Like, I was like, okay, dude, if they had Twitter during the 2000s, I'm not saying that coaches did shit right, but like, it would be in. insanity the takes that would be flying training camp is not fun and sometimes coach does shit that that makes people mad like it happens talking about exciting things are you guys excited for uh hard knocks there was a trailer a little trailer a little sneak peek dropped today yeah jemal williams with

his teammates dan campbell said break it down he gave a very impassioned speech with multiple camera angles yep jama williams teared up a good bit and Passions beat with in the He cried. He did. And then he had a tweet related to his crying later talking about how he will. I didn't see the tears. Okay, now I've seen the tears.

Now that I'm hearing, you know, the resolution on the iPhone on the plane internet is not great. Eric from Colorado had better internet than the plane. It's incredible at this stage in humanity like you're mad at an airplane for not having good internet.

All right. So fucking I didn't see the tears. Okay, that might change things for me. What? The speech was trash. Okay. I don't, dude, I just, I don't think the speech was trash. But what I am going to say is that there's definitely a lot of cameras around.

So it's like, it's a hard thing to execute. It's a hard thing to feel like present for a speech when there's a mic boom. You know what I mean? there's a social you know like underlying social conversation because I've been a guy that has to talk to the team

sometimes in my career you know like I don't want to talk right now because I'm there's am I miced up or people going to think I'm being a goober like are people going to think I'm talking for the camera

you know what I mean? Little do a lot of people know I used to have to talk to the team in or I didn't have to but I was the guy that that said some shit before we went out in the locker room a lot of times and I was really glad there were no cameras in there I was really glad there was no microphones in there that's fucking harder to do dude so the whole thing like if you're on hard knocks and you got to break down

the fucking I would have just opted well I'm not going to say what I would done because I'm not gonna I'm not going to judge that dude I'm just saying me I'm afraid to be in that situation so I only got to do it in college yeah like my senior year And the key was if you were mic'd up, if you don't want the cameras to come, you just got to cuss a lot in college. Yeah, that's what you used to do. You just cuss a lot and you throw a lot of less fucking goes,

like before you, like, talk. Yeah. Then the cameras don't move away a little bit. When I was miced up, I promise you, I used to say penis, like every three seconds. I used to be like, I'm stunned here. I'm stunting here. Like the stuff they would use,

I'd be like, I'm stunned, stunting, stunts penis. You know? And then it's like, oh, that's going in the trash. You know, but, uh, shout out to Luke Goldstein he was our film guy anyways yeah it's a hard thing read

you know what I mean you're a fan right you're football fan like you never had to give these speeches nope not even close what do you like when you see them or do you ever see them and are you like that sounds contrived

for some of them honestly the Jamal Williams one I thought I was immediately like that's awesome listen what do you say is yeah it's poignant Yeah, and then you, but then you kind of think about it. You know, it's a preseason game. It's great that he has his mindset and he wants his teammates to keep working. But it does seem like a speech you want to see rather like We 14, 15 kind of thing.

Well, it's hard because he was emotional, right? Like he's got tears in his eyes. Training camp, it's emotional, man. You're like fucking grinding all day. People are emotional. So I'm not saying he wasn't emotional. I'm just saying, yeah, it seemed like they just finished the camp practice. And, you know, it's tough.

Like, you know, sometimes the coach wants you to. to say something impactful. So I do think he nailed it, obviously. Now that he, I know he was crying. I'm like, okay, well, he felt that way. Check, right? Yes. But it is fucking hard to do that, dude.

And it's hard for me to watch a speech. Speeches they get, I guess what I'm trying to say is speeches to get fans excited, don't get players excited. They're totally different ones because, I mean, obviously the fans of them never been in the locker room. They've never been on the practice field with you guys. you guys know what gets each other going. We as fans know what get us going.

And you don't know the guys too. Sometimes a guy will get up there and talk and you're just like, bro, like, to me it's a wasted speech because you need that speech maybe during the first game or maybe like the game to maybe get into the playoffs. Because right now, just like you're saying, like if I'm a free agent, I don't care about any of that shit. I'm not listening to that. Like I wasn't like you got to think about it for that too.

Like a lot of guys, I wasn't here last year. I don't care. I don't care about that. I don't care about. This is a sobering take on it. I mean, I'm just saying it's just, it's just, it's just the thing. Like, like you said, camp is brutal. So like, you're not really going to get me hyped to run through drills in this heat right now.

Like, you're not getting me too hype for that. You don't get you hype to run through drills in that heat when your family shows up. You see your little-ass kids over there or your small kid by the fence. Yep. And you got a girlfriend or something if you had a girlfriend. Time off. When you know this, the practice before time off. No, well, there's that.

Sure. But it's more so you don't want to get fucking embarrassed in front of your family. Yes. Bro, I'm not getting the back of my head. I ain't hitting the fucking grass with my little kids here, dude. No way. Unfortunately. Unfortunately, for a lot of people that does happen.

How about camp fights when your kids are there, dude? Oh, my goodness. My dad got in a fight with a guy in Raiders training camp, and it was like bring your kid to training camp day. And the guy had it coming because he was like a dirtbag o' lineman or whatever at the time, just that day. And dad messed him up kind of good. And I guess like it was like family day.

Oh, man. You don't feel good about that on either end of that thing. The best almost fight. Martellis Bennett and Brandon Marshall Bears Camp. Oh my goodness. I wanted to happen so bad. Who did you have? So bad.

Who you got? Oh, Marty. Marty. Marty State. Marty. I have Marty. But it was a situation where, like, Fuller defense, he tackled Martellis by the face mask on accident.

It looked bad. It was bad for Martellis. It was bad for him. It was on Twitter. And Martellis got up. and he grabbed Fuller's face mask and did something like he like just grabbed it and like yanked it all the way to the ground like put his fist to the ground so like you watch our number one draft pick get his neck getting to the ground yeah and Brandon Marshall like stood up and

said something and he was just like this is our first round pick like we have to protect him like what about and Marty was like what about him he's like Like, what about me? And it was this whole thing. I think Marty got suspended for a couple of days, but, damn, is this public knowledge? Yeah. Yeah, he got suspended for private. That was the one.

Yeah. It was like an NFL interview. Marty and Michael were sitting right next to each other. And Marty imitates what it was. And he was like, and Brandon Marshall got up and he was like, me, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man. And then Marty was like, and then I. said, Brandon, do you want to talk or do you want to fight?

Yes. And that sounds exactly like something Marty would say. So I know like that's not, it's not cap. That's just exactly what Marty would say. But he would start it with Brandon. Brandon, Mike's the same way. He just says your name. But what people have to understand is like we're in the heat.

Everyone's super competitive. You're tired. You're going to sleep late. You're waking up early. You have 30 minutes to scarf down food. You're barely getting naps in. And people have to realize. Paren't get napsin.

I'm not getting a fucking napsing. I'm just saying. Like you try. Like you have no time to do anything. So like when we get out there, we're literally like aggressive dogs just ready to, ready to break out. And just having, also having the fans there just brings a different type of competitive level. But still, at the end of the day, a speech isn't. going to push me to, I think, perform differently in the camp practice. No. Camp practice is,

camp practice, you can't rely on superficial motivation. You have to rely on who you are. That's why if you're not who you need to be when you get to camp, you're in trouble. It's hard to fake camp. So like, if you wake up and you don't have a strong foundation, you're going to have a hard time. And I also, and I also want to see. Nobody's going to be able to walk in at 9 a.m. and be like, hey man, these are the five Fs, family, family, you know, like all that shit. Like, hey, bro, I am who I am, bro. I want to see that speech the last week of camp.

Yeah. And see how enthusiastic if it's the same thing because it gets, it, camp gets tough. Doesn't matter what year it is. All giving speeches or talking in the NFL is. And I would hope that if, like, we should call Lane and ask if they were bad, right? if my little... But all it is

is you would be surprised sometimes by game day how worn out the group is. Oh yeah. Sometimes you get to the game and... It's no talking. The coaches have been wearing your ass out. Maybe you've been losing games.

Maybe the coach has been beating the team up mentally, right? Like, you can be sleepwalking on a Sunday. Not me. I'm just saying you can feel it. And sometimes, like, when it comes to game day and, like, chirping at people, it's about energy. It's not about what you're saying. It's about demonstrating that you feel a certain way and hoping that that's a little

bit contagious. And that's all that that is on game day. Nobody's listening to what the words are. Rarely does it matter. I want to see guys like fucking, you know what I mean? Because guys can fucking sleepwalk through an NFL week. All right. So that was observation deck and some other stuff. Peter Schrager, one of the best in the business also really plugged in. a perfect guy to have on when there's a lot going on and I don't know much about it right now.

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1-8009-9-7-89. Peter Schrager joins us. Somebody I'm excited to see. He knows everything about training camp, I feel like, and I know nothing. I've been on vacation. The bird just landed, and I'm back home. I'm back in the studio. The first thing that Shregs noticed was this hat.

Shregs, tell me about the hat. That hat might not mean anything to anybody outside of a very, very, very small people. But I immediately said, that's an Albany hat, isn't it? And Mr. Long, the Albany Club in the Bahamas might be the most exclusive. most badass coolest thing I've ever been to. And I got to go one time and I ask you, have you been? Yeah. Yeah, I've been.

I don't like I bought this hat like just because I had a bad haircut. It wasn't like because I wanted to like take an Albany out of. And because of what you just outlined, I'm pretty confident anywhere I go that most people aren't going to know it's a flex. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? I can tell you I bought one too. There's a little gift shop.

And it's, I can only explain it as this. it's the pretty much the most badass country club in the world where you have to be somebody, know somebody, know somebody, know somebody, know somebody to even step foot on it. I fortunately, through my wife's work, knew somebody who knew anybody. We went. I'm a fat guy. And I go in the pool and I wear like the long swim shirt.

Like they call it the rash guard. I bought one and it's got a little A on it. I feel it's the biggest badass. So I know the Albany Club. You know the Albany Club. But like, gosh, if I was to ever mention, mention that, a good morning football, or tell any one of my friends, they'd be like, oh, bougie, look at it. I'm like, no, no, no, no, I swear. I just got to kiss the ground there.

Yeah, see, you can get, I can get away with that, I guess, because I had a mullet when I went, and it kind of like even things out, but I know Howie Long. That's how I got in there. That helps? Yeah, no, actually, I went there. It was actually me and Bradford and his family, and his family, and my family, we still vacation together, you know. We, we said when we were toiling in St. Louis and Earth City, Missouri, that one day, we would take vacations to places like the Albany with the money that we made in St. Louis. So we earned it the hard way. And when I was there, dude, now I know you see people.

Like spring break, it's about March this year. We're there for one day. We get the invite. I'm like, what do you wear? What do you're like eating lobster and steak. It's unbelievable. And I get in the pool. And it's this glorious pool that you'd see at any hotel resort except no one's in it.

And it's me and it's my son. And it's the other kid. father and his son were playing and then someone just starts playing football in the pool with his kids and it's like tight spirals and the guy looks great and it's fucking ben rothelsberger no way that's amazing dude how did he look he looked unbelievable to the point that i was texting NFL coaches around the league being like i know it's march and he retired in february ben looks 15 pounds lighter and is whipping the ball around this pool right now so shrags do you think that we have a Ben Rathosberger like unretirement tweet coming in the near future

because of the condition that you saw him in at the Albany? If it was going to happen, it would have happened around the owner's meetings because I told anybody who would listen that I saw Ben, he's 15 pounds lighter and he looks unbelievable. Yeah. And, you know, even his kids were a little younger. And, you know, we don't talk about players kids. His kids were whipping the ball around too. I'm like, this guy, this is good.

This is good. But yeah, who did you see? Who did you see? Okay. So this is funny. like the so there were rumblings that Justin Bieber was there with with his lovely girlfriend the Baldwin girl who I don't know do you go this past

this was 2000 I was a year before you this was 2021 or whatever it was and I you know I had heard the rumors I don't know a single Justin Bieber song I really don't but I know he's like super cool and super successful and somebody that I want to leave alone if I saw him in real life because he's obviously at the Albany for a reason. He doesn't want to be bothered.

Yeah. So like the second day, I'm in the gym and I'm working my ass off in there. By the way, Justin Verlander is out there throwing, he's literally throwing to a catcher outside the gym, like just hanging out. I'm like, how long you hear? He's like, you know, because he's a Virginia guy originally. He's like, I'm here for six weeks. I'm training or whatever it was.

Like, I'm just shooting this shit with Justin Burlander. I go inside to get my biceps on. And Justin Bieber is right next to me in the gym. So I'm working out with Justin Bieber. Do you acknowledge? Do you nod, head nod, nothing? Nothing. I don't say a word. I just want to respect the man. So we're working out. The only thing I said to him is, can I grab that squat rack? Because he was using the squat rat next to me. And he was like, no problem, brother.

And that was it. You know, that was it. I saw Justin Timberlake come in. It was the Justin's man. Justin Verlater was outside. Justin Timberlake came in to hang out with Justin Bieber. I didn't say shit to him either. I just kept my head down. As we're doing this free commercial for the Albany, Club. It does sound like it's like one of those like Illuminati spots that like you, this is where they all hang and like I believe Strayhan was there when I was. Oh yeah. Yeah. Strayhand is how we figured out about the Albany. I think. But yeah. So you and I are the evidence that this is

not actually an Illuminati place. Like we got in. You and I got in. So you got your two Lombardies and your historic NFL career. I've got a few podcast appearances. So yeah. Stop it. Dude, your football royalty shrinks because you're one of the OG members of Good Morning Football. Okay, so right off the bat, that's changed. You guys, the Bears have a ton of roster turnover this year. Good Morning Football is number two on roster turnover. There's new faces at Good Morning Football, a mutual friend of R.S.K. Adams, who I've been a co-worker of mine, matriculated to People magazine or where she's interviewing

George Clooney and shit like that now. You know, it was George Kittle. Now it's George Clooney. So what's going on on set? Like how hard is that, you know, to kind of plug and play new pieces and how's that going? So July 25th, we got two new co-hosts full-time. Jamie Erdall, who is the lead SEC reporter for CBS, who's a badass. And Jason McCordy, who just stepped off the field, like, announcers retirement on a Tuesday

and signed with us on a Monday. And he pretty much retired knowing that if he's going to retire, it was because of this job. So there is a lot of excitement for us that, A, she would lead. a prime job, you know, interviewing Sabin for, you know, 25 million people every Saturday to join us. Then McCordy walk away from an NFL career and he had a gig with the Dolphins to join us. But it's been great.

It's been awesome. They're both like super prepared, super hungry, both want to be great. And I'll tell you what's been kind of nice. Our show doesn't re-air at the moment and it starts re-airing in middle of August. So we've had some, you know, some chances to get our wax and to get a little, you know, spring training and it's our own little training camp some BP if you will and uh we've gotten significantly better week to week to week but kyle and i and kyle brant is the original host of me we're fired up it's a good it's actually kind of refreshing for us too it's two new people with two new

sets of stories circumstances and me as a competitor there's a lot of people who are like i'm not watching without k all right respect that it only fires me up more like watch we can put on a good show. We'll figure it out. You know what I mean? I get that a lot about my co-hosts who left two months ago unexpectedly on an extended vacation. And I say to those people, he'll be back. But if you want to, in the meantime, just fuck off and listen to another podcast. There's a lot of stuff out there. Go watch them. Yeah. Yeah. No, but you know what? You guys have such a great, like when I watch you guys for a long time, it's the chemistry that really made you on that takes the reps, right? No matter what, no matter how much you love like Jason the first day or Jamie the first day, like y'all all and vice versa.

So you all have to get in a room and make mistakes together, I'm sure. And it's just like practice. No, and Nate especially, I busted his chops. Like, Nate is like media superstar winning Emmys and everyone thinks he's hot shit. I was the guy who would be like, Nate, you know, cool that you're at CBS right now. Like, how is it talking about gas prices in Ukraine? And I'll say that on air. And everyone's like, whoa, like you.

Like, I'm not there with Jason yet. And we'll get there where I can take the piss out of him because who the hell am I. but that was a cool dynamic. And Nate was so gracious and taking shit and then giving shit. And that's kind of where our show's different. It's not as serious as some of the other stuff you see out there where it's like, I believe Josh Allen's better than my home. So I believe my home's better than Josh Allen.

I'm like, what the fuck are we doing? Y'all have fun. You know, it's like you're like everybody else in the industry. I feel like you're more every man and that like you have a big platform, but you guys are every man and the way you guys have to create content because a lot of days, like there's nothing to talk about.

Nothing. May and June especially. Like that's where you get, that's where we make our, you know, our bucks. That's what I say. Like they don't pay us for talking about the game on Sunday. Anyone could do that. It's May and June, you know, there's a little morsel of news. Cadarius Tony had tweaked his ankle in minicamp.

Three hours go, you know, like that. Yeah, and we like. Yeah, without debating, without yelling at each other, which I think is like an easy out a lot of the time, like an A or B conversation. I think what's more interesting is like, hey, let's do another list. Let's let's think of another way that we can parlay this into, you know, 30 minutes of BS. and that people feel like, hey, I'm sitting on the couch with my friends. And we have a captive audience in that there's no one else talking football in May and June.

So the league, Chris, like the league watches. So in May I did a list. And it comes from good insight of like, here are five coordinators. Nobody's talking about who could be interviewed for head coaching jobs. I'm talking about Bubba Ventron. And I'm talking about. I love Bubba. Did you play with Bubba ever?

I love Bubba. I didn't play with Bubba. But he was coaching when I was in New England. He was Joe Judge's right-hand guy. and people loved Bubba. And Bubba's killing it in the Colts. And like I gave five names that it's Aubrey Pleasant, who is now with the lion, like whatever it is.

And this thing caught like wildfire around the league. And like that's what I realize sometimes that, hey, just because people are talking about Durant or LeBron on ESPN, there's always an NFL audience. And the NFL watches our show. It's almost like the trade publication of the NFL. Yeah, it's cool. It's cool to see the running backs with the Angry Run shirts on.

That's got to make Kyle feel good. And, you know, I didn't even mention Nate. I mean, Nate was such a natural that it was almost like inevitable that he was going to matriculate to some more serious line of work outside football where it's like I got to talk about real world events and stuff. God bless him. Yeah, we're not jealous. But Nate is a, Nate's a tremendous talent too. So a lot to replace. Yeah, great dude from all.

Yeah, I haven't spent a lot of time with Nate, but he seems like a great guy. So you guys just seem to be churning out the great content no matter who's in the seats. And I love it. Okay, league circles. you guys are really, really in tune. I feel like you're one of the most in tune guys I know with like what's being talked about around a league. So really important topic, Aaron Rogers and Iowaska.

What's being said in league circles about ayahuasca? Nothing of like disciplinary action or anything. I think there's a lot of amusement around the league and there were a lot of texts going around and I don't like talking out of school on this stuff because, I mean, whatever gets you going there. And what's amazing in the hindsight of it is how openly and how freely he's talking about it. And I think how accepting everyone was. You go back 10 years ago, this guy's talking about taking psychedelics and hallucinogenics.

I think there would have been like a lot of fervor around the media. But now it's like what we've been through as a country and like mental health and all this stuff in the last three years, it's kind of like, hey, whatever makes this guy tick and as long as he's good and ready to go, it's okay. I don't know where that lands on the NFL's drug policy. I actually don't know that answer. But I don't think there's any large investigation. I thought Getsy, who was his quarterbacks, co.

and is now the offensive coordinator in Chicago. I don't know if you know Luke. He's great dude. No, but yeah, he's well regarded. His response was amazing. They asked about it and he was like, well, that was news to me. You know, like, just great. Well, you don't really tell your coordinator, hey, I'm going down to Peru to sit in a hut for three days and have my ego killed.

You know, like, that's not a conversation you have at the breakfast table. But you're right. It's so true, though, you know, like think back to Ricky Williams and cannabis. Oh, my God. Delified. Yeah, I mean, it's just. cannabis. Now, like, this is something that's not as in the forefront of the way people think about, you know, drugs or, you know, therapeutic stuff. But there are a number of people that I know

that have been down to places like Peru. And I'm certainly not going to pass judgment on Aaron Rogers. I've got a, I've got a whole crew of guys that I went to college with that do Burning Man still in their 40s and go. Do they really? Yeah. And like the whole thing and the whole community of it's all barter. And you've got to have the tickets. And now it's commercialized. And all this. And like, I'm no stranger to it. That's not my cup of tea. But like those are what those guys. And I think Rogers is kind of a free spirit.

He's a free bird. And I think I also notice he's doing a lot of interviews this summer. And like whether it be with with the PMT guys, which he did, but also like the busing with the boys guys and Peter King and NFL network. Like I think Rogers is at peace. And I think he's being completely honest. And after last year where he was vilified for the COVID stuff, I think he's coming out and being like, here's who I am.

All cards on the table. And yeah, that's what I did. I found myself and that's what I needed at that time. Do you, when do you think Daniel Jones goes to Peru? Yeah. Daniel Jones. Okay. So I'm going to put you in the crosshairs right away.

Yeah. You know, a Giants fan. Giants win total is seven and a half. That's the number. I don't know if you guys are allowed to talk about this stuff, but. We don't do you like that stuff, but we could talk big. But let's say that. Do you think the Giants are going to?

going to be better than people think or worse than people think as I just I don't think they're going to be they're not going to be the surprise team they're not the bangles of last year let's just say that I think there's just so many question marks with that quarterback and I think their offensive line is actually the strength of the team right now right like I think you have Thomas who's a top five pick and then you've now got Evan Neal who I'm told has been outstanding at tackle and then you've got good weapons but I don't think the quarterback has shown us anything I think it's fair, like just fair. And Dave Olin Shane, they inherited him.

So you've got one year to kind of prove it. But I don't have, and especially the training camp stuff, which people could blow out of proportion, but he has not blown anyone away based on what I hear from training camp. Well, it feels like in today's game, if you can't get your team's social media wing to churn up some positive propaganda for you as a quarterback, like you're not doing real well in camp.

I know. And I think also with the way the rookie quarterback stuff goes, like, if you don't do it in the first three years, very rarely are you going to get that contract? And they didn't pick up his fifth year option. So it's going to take some outstanding season for him to be brought back next year. I look at Trubisky. And, you know, Mitchell won playoff games. And he maybe didn't win a playoff game. But he took him at two playoff games. And they're like, no, not for Parki. Yeah. Well, Trayvon Hester. True. True. And you were in that game. or were you not in that game? I was six feet away from Trayvon Hester. Had no idea that he tipped that ball until we got to the locker room and he goes, I tipped that ball. How about fourth and goal?

Everyone talks about the Phillies, but how about fourth and goal Nick Foles to Golden Tate in the little corner of the end zone? I contend that went over the Bears on the road in Chicago was as gritty as anything the year before. I swear, I love that game.

Then when I tell you, dude, and not to go Philly sidebar, I know the Philly fans listening love this shit, but like had we, and I hate doing it, doing what Alvin Kamara and the Saints tried to do. Alshan catches that shit. I know.

But I'm telling you, that was to go down to go to Chicago, then to go to New Orleans, like that would have been a hell of a gutsy run. And we would have played the Rams the next week. And who knows, we already beat him. Will Lutz misses that field goal. Suddenly you guys are like alive. Fletcher Cox goes down with an injury. I want to say Lane Johnson goes down with an injury, but you guys muster it up.

Yeah. Jordan Matthews played well that game. Jay Matt played well. Yeah. And I think we had just added him back. So, you know, this was like, that was really a gut. And that's the thing about the playoffs. There are many a gutsy performances that, you know, they end in a loss.

And that's why it only matters if you get the, if you win the last game. Mariotta comes to mind too, goes into Kansas City and beats Alex Smith. I know that Dorel Revis tipped the ball and there's some controversial like stuff. Yeah. And he wasn't picked up for his fifth year option. Like, it's really hard. And Daniel Jones is kind of in this no man's land. You look around at Baker and Sam Darnold, like,

I don't know. So it's almost a lame duck year for Daniel Jones unless he blows the world away. And I don't see that happen. Tibido. Okay, the first day at camp, you know, I'm doing my just veg out and watch NFL network. I love that you do that. I love it. Yeah, we talk about it.

It's so fun. It's therapeutic, especially when you're not playing anymore. And I'm seeing Tibido standing there next to some linebackers. And I'm saying, this guy doesn't look, you know, and listen, I'm not making any determination. No, I get it. Because I've been one that said, like, hold on a minute. Like, I think this guy's got some really intangible stuff. And I don't mean that like, you know, I think he's got intangibles up here.

But what I mean is he's got some bendy type reactive pass rusher skill set stuff that doesn't get measured well. You know, the top of the rush, you know, the finishing, that sort of stuff. The stuff that a little bit of Trayvon Walker did not have that stuff. He was a poor finisher. You know, you worry about a big tall guy like that. getting pushed by. Maybe he doesn't have the ankle flexion or that, that sort of thing.

I like Thibodeau, but he does not look the part. What are you hearing in New York? When I saw him in pads, it was one of those things where I was like, oh, shit. Because, you know, you see him in college, but then you see the guys in the pros next to other pros.

And not to make a knee jerk reaction, but I was like, he doesn't look big. He's a fifth overall pick. So it's like, you know, you draft a pass thruster fifth overall. You're expecting, you know, this guy to look the part and do the part.

I think they're, they're pleased with him so far from what I've heard, obviously there was early injury concerns or whatever was going on, but now he's on the field and he's playing. From everything I've heard, they love Aziz Olajari, who's going to be in his second year, who's a second round pick from Georgia. Thomas and Neil are balling out,

and there's high hopes for Tibido, but it might take a bit. We'll see. It's very rare to get what, I mean, Michael Parsons did last year. That's the standard now, and it can't be. Like, that was just freakish what he was doing. Well, with rushers in general, it's really hard to adjust. And most times a rusher joins a team early,

in the first. That team's not going to have a lot of opportunities to get that guy reps in situations in game situations where you're pinning your ears back as if you have a lead. So I do think that there will be kind of a process with him. I mean, just using common sense. But yeah, I'm excited about, like, I'm really excited to see this entire edge class because there hasn't been a clear cut favorite. What do you make of the Florida state here with the Jets? Because when I spoke to Joe Douglas, who loves you and knows you will. When I spoke to Joe Douglas after the draft, he was like, dude, we had this guy as one of our top eight players.

And we're trying to feverishly trade up. They got him at 26. Yeah. It's playing fine. All four of those first rounders from all my guys at the Jets. Like it might take a little bit. But what was your read on him coming out? Because it was kind of this deal where he was good at Georgia,

but then he exploded in the ACC, which I know is your conference. Yeah. So I would say I see what Joe sees. I mean, like, especially. especially in light of the fact there was no clear favorite, why not take the guy out of value, like in the bottom half of the teens, when there's not a big difference

from him and the other guys. But I will say this, I went back and watched a Notre Dame game. That was the game that kind of put him on the map, right? Early season game, prime time. I remember watching it. And he didn't beat a lot of people to make those plays. And that was the most pro-ready team I saw,

and I didn't see him win a lot of rush. Now, I know some people who don't know what I mean by winning a rush. What I mean is a clean win where you're the beneficiary of a stat, you know, that you've created for yourself. You know, where it wasn't the quarterback drifting to 10 yards, you know, you're getting washed by and you end up with a sack. Or, you know, it's not a deal where it's a coverage sack or that sort of thing. Or a TFL where you're unblocked. Yeah. I really do.

I need to see more of the kid, you know, and maybe part of my trepidation speaks to, you know, is the Georgia thing to Florida State. Like a guy that's that good has got to be good in any weather. And I'll be curious because he's going to be in another situation in New York where like, good luck finding your third and aides, buddy. And, you know, I will say this. I was excited by what I saw from Trayvon Walker, not to jump out of the gym the other night. It's a fun game, but yeah. Just seeing him in a two point.

Yeah. Seeing him, you know, at right end consistently. Rocking 44, which I love. Rock in 44, which actually he makes look pretty good. Yep. And seeing him use his levers, man. Like, you know, like he's going to be able to do that to anybody. He's going to be able to long arm anybody, right?

Now it's just going to be about fine-tuning all the other tools in his toolbox. But the kid in New York, Jermaine Johnson, I'd like to see him use power more. You know, that's the one part of his game that I'd like to see him kind of improve at or show more at because he ain't fast enough. None of these kids are to just burn the edge. I know. We don't have any transcendent edge rushers in this group. that are just, you know, Demarkis wear types.

No, you don't have any of the Bosa brothers. You don't have a guy like you coming out of college. Like, it's a different deal with these guys. And they went one, too, with him in Hutchinson. I will ask one more guy because the Eagles bend also. But like you saw the footage of Jordan Davis during a drill doing that. And everyone's freaking out. I hear really good things about him.

I'm not trying to get everyone like gassed up. No, I hear good things. I hear really good things about this, dude. I do. I do. He's a great kid, first off. And when the expectation is like, listen, anything north of getting vertical and moving bodies is going to be icing on the cake.

Like, you're here for a reason. You're here to dent the pocket to destroy the run game and to provide that stability. Okay, give me the AFC East here. I'm going to omit the part of the question where I ask about a win total. But who do you think is going to win more games, the Patriots or the Dolphins? I find it horrid to imagine that the Patriots won't figure things out by the start of this season. Right now, everything I'm hearing is it's a little grizzly down there with the offense. And I haven't been to Patriots camp, but I know how high they were on Mac all summer

and how high everyone was on Mac and how good he's throwing the ball. And he and the coaches were hitting it off. We're hearing brutal stuff out of their offense a week into training camp. And we talked about it on Good Morning Football. Is that a reason to be concerned? I think it is. Like you lose McDaniels, you lose Mick Lamberti. You lose key players, key guys in his ear. But look, I got to see this whole dolphins thing before I buy in. And I know to the ire of a lot of dolphins fans, because we do a lot of dolphins talk because it's a hot topic. But like, God bless you all.

I know. But like they've got flashy names. They've got, you know, a controversial situation at quarterback where everyone's like curious if he's the real deal. But to me, you know, I've known Mike McDaniel a decade. I love the dude. I am curious to see how this whole thing envelopes. helps with a new coach, a quarterback who hasn't had much success,

and all these new additions in Tyreek and Terran Armstead. And, oh, by the way, the owner's not in the building, the minority owner's not in the building. And they've got a really good defense with a holdover defensive coordinator from the last regime. So all this stuff seems like a lot and a lot less than what the Patriots have going on, which is just figuring out the offensive coordinator and the play calling with a quarterback. That's a really good way to put it.

I'm going to go out on a limb and I think the dolphins might win more games than the past this year. I mean, last year I took the Pats over win total, and I bought them when, you know, I bought them a little bit low, right? Because people were like, oh, how good could they possibly be? We're talking about all these other quarterbacks, but not Mack Jones. I think people got a little bit too hype too quick with this group. They're still going to have to grow up.

You know, Mac's still going to have to grow up. You know, you lift a bunch of weights. You look great. You know, people talk you up. I think Mac knows this. Max's got to make leaps his second year just like any other quarterback. And I think Bill would tell you that. I also, it's a concern to me that they're changing their schemes so much.

You know, you talk about the run game. That's been such a staple of what they do, that gap scheme stuff. So for such a long time and any remaining guys up front are not only going to be carrying out different looks offensively, but the guys defensively who are getting a ton of reps are now practicing against his own scheme team. Things are different. So like they're behind the eight ball and the players are different. Like they've let's let's face it, they've lost some players, you know, And there's some players who are getting older on defense that you're a little bit worried about.

So listen, I don't want to bite the cheese on Tua, especially because I said he's not a consistent deep ball throw. And I had a bunch of people with. He actually is great. I mean, I haven't seen it. But you know what? Yeah. I mean, and that's fair. But I will say, it is possible that this is some, you know, this is a bad scheme coming to fruition over the last year or two.

And maybe what we're seeing in practice is really who. he is or maybe he got his torque back or whatever it is. I also, I spoke to Mike as he was interviewing for the Dolphins job. I said, what's your pitch to these guys? It was him and Kellynne Moore, essentially. And he's like, here's the deal. He's like, I know they might not look at me as, you know, the number one head coaching candidate, but if quarterback is the priority, he's like, this is his words, but I've

reiterated it and can extrapolate, however, but like Matt Schaubb's best year as a quarterback in Houston, Mike McDaniel was in the room. Robert Griffin's best year in Washington. He was in the room. Matt Ryan's, he was in the room. Jimmy Garoppos, he was in the room. Cousins, he was in the room. There is a history here that if you have a quarterback,

I can connect with them. And if Tua's ever going to blossom, it'll be with this coach working with him and being in his ear. So whatever you want to say about the press conference and all the stuff, like, and I don't know if Mike can coach defense for shit or if he has any handle on whether a player goes outside the lines off the field, like how he's going to handle that stuff. But quarterback, if Tua's got anything,

Mike McDaniel will be able to get it out of him. Listen, they're going to win games. I've called it a yactory. They're going to, you know, it's going to be a yactory. They've got great skill guys catching the football. They've got a load of running backs. They got a guy who's got a proven track record of success, as you just pointed out, not just as a run game coordinator, but also like in the room with quarterbacks and that sort of thing.

Like, they're going to improve. Like, no questions asked. But I think where the rubber meets the road as a head coach is not, you know, that wind total that we're talking about or that I'm talking about as a gambler. Where the rubber meets the road is going to be in December and beyond. So I do think they're going to improve. I think they could finish ahead of the pads. But the question is when they want to do all the things that they want to do in December and beyond,

are they going to be that team? I don't know about this year. And I don't know if Tua has two years. I don't know if two is next year if it doesn't happen. Yeah, if it doesn't happen. That's fair. And listen, the guy in Philly, Jalen hurts to spread the love around here. So you don't think I'm being a homer.

I've got it out for the dolphins. Same fucking deal. Eagles have two first round picks. Yeah. They know. They can package that. Yeah. So anyways, yeah, the AFCs should be interesting.

I mean, outside of the one spot. I mean, the bills are my Super Bowl favorite. It's hard not to think. It's hard. Yeah, it feels too chalky. The only variable, and I think Josh is good enough to just be fine. But like, Dable and Alan were like symbiotic. And now it's Ken Dorsey, which I think is good.

He's been there. Yeah. But that's the only X factor from me, because they added everywhere and they didn't lose anyone on the field that's really going to make a huge difference. Yep. No questions asked. And, you know, they got to get better out of the backfield. They got to get better.

You know, they got to figure out what they're going to do. It's a lot receiver. And it's a really important spot. Yeah, in that was a battle raging right now in camp for them. But I think that's their division to lose. I want to bounce out to the NFC West real quick. You know, there's a lot going on there. I know you like the Cardinals.

Do you like them to win the division? You are in the minority here. Okay. So I texted you that. And I think everyone looks at me as McVeigh's like lap dog or whatever. I kind of like Aaron. Arizona this year in the NFC West. And it's one of these deals where it's like,

veteran guys matter to me. And this is Clip's third year and like J.J. Watts, a veteran, healthy. James Conner is a veteran, healthy. Kyler got paid and say what you want and all this stuff. And I know DeAndre's out at first, but like kind of like their core. And I kind of like that no one is talking about Arizona, as if they had the worst offseason ever.

And yet they bring a lot of guys back. And Cliff has won five games. games and then I think eight games and then 11 games like they are trending upwards even though it seemed like a very dramatic offseason. Well, it's funny. The expectations kind of outpaced their progress. I mean, because every year and a lot of it is because of the guy under center. Like it's so enigmatic where you're like, this guy, he could be, he could own Sunday, right? Like he could be what Lamar was a couple years ago where it just was like, yeah, I'm watching that game. if they don't have it nationally televised because I have to see this guy play. But the contract stuff was concerning for me.

I mean, I hate to jump on the bandwagon. You tell yourself. I mean, you show yourself. And here's what it was. I would imagine the team side wanted to light a little fire under Kyler and also pay him. And if that's what it took. And they withdrew the claws and all that. And you could say, what a great PR nightmare.

What a terrible franchise. Kyler's never had that, that, you know, everyone. publicly, you know, calling him out and all this stuff. And I think, let's see what Kyle is all about. I could tell. He had a public press conference. I'm like, man, you just make yourself look more guilty. I mean, listing his high school sets.

Yeah, come on. I mean, like people grow up, man. He's 24. There's a lot of time for this kid to improve his study habits and that sort of thing. You know, and I think you're right. Like, ultimately some people might look at it as like guerrilla warfare a little bit. But if you're the Arizona Cardinals and you want to light a fire of somebody's asking, and they're not responding in the bill.

then you air that dirty laundry out and pay him. Now he can't leave and he has to act accordingly. And I, and I, you know, I say this to you, but it's like Cliff kind of wins in this thing in a little bit. And that A, it's like, okay, he never trashed Kyler. He never aired anything publicly. And we don't even know if Cliff has issues with Kyler's preparation. And B, it's like, oh, shit, they won that many games. And the quarterback wasn't even preparing that.

Now what can they do if they get him on the page? And it's like, I think. think everyone's on the same page right now and it might be F the world from Kyler and Cliff's standpoint being like let's go burn this thing down and show everyone what we can do. Well, there's a lot of veterans in that locker room. There's been a lot of veterans in the locker room. They've had guys like JJ Walk come on. Rodney Hudson. Rodney Hudson. Larry Fitzgerald. So like ultimately it's not just those guys' responsibility. You know, it's the coaches. So I think Cliff is a winner. And in some ways like I'm looking at

Cliff, if he can't, because it ain't Steve Cobb's job. It ain't none of those. The guys I just mentioned, it'd be nice if they could help him, but they have careers to tend to. Cliff Kingsbury is the guy who burnt the bridges to get him, right? To get this guy. Now you got to teach him how to study. And if you can't, that's on you, right?

So NFC West, I kind of like, I'm biting the cheese on the Niners, man. I always like picking the Niners. Trey Lance, I've seen footage. What do we know? We don't know. We don't know. I got a guy at my eyes at the gym today no humble brag um and the guy at the gym has this giant yeah this giant nineers tattoo on his forearm and he knows the show and he's like bro check this out

and he's like what what do you make of lance and i'm like i hear good things the truth is this is training wheel season for him they might be good enough if he just doesn't screw it up and i think the sky's the limit but like you go to i mean that's a talk about veteran team between trump williams and George Kittle and Kyle Hughescheck and Armstead and you go one by one and Freddie Warner in the middle like that team's built to win now and I didn't even mention Debo and what they've got there. So it's like if he doesn't screw it up and he can do just enough and have a couple of those flash plays. Hell yeah, the Niners can be relevant right now. I think they, I mean like listen, I don't know what's going on with Stafford's elbow. Anytime I hear like elbow in July,

you know, August, like, you know, like come on. I, we were. worried about it last year. There were stretches last year where he was clearly hurt. And a lot of people thought the media and, you know, maybe you as McVeigh's quote unquote lap dog, I never heard this about covering that a little bit. Yeah. That maybe, you know, people were covering for Stafford, which I thought was a little annoying. So I'm like, listen, not everything is a fucking is, is, is, this guy's old. He's been in Detroit his whole career. The guy's hurting. Um, you know, if his elbow is not right, I could see the Niners win in that division because I'm unlike you, not a buyer of the Cardinals and the Seahawks are in purgatory.

Say this on Stafford's elbow and I don't think I've said it publicly anywhere, but it's like I know, you know, media companies came knocking on McVeigh's door and he was like, I'm coming back. Stafford and I are running this back. If he had concerns about the elbow, I don't think he would have said no to what those offers could have been. It was like as long as Stafford's there, I'm there. And if Stafford, I would think he's got pretty good idea of whether Stafford

is we able to go this season or not? Yeah, that's a very good point. It's a very good point. And it's a big if. So we'll see. I certainly hope he's healthy. I'd love to see Matt get an opportunity to run it back because this might be the hardest Super Bowl to ever repeat.

You know, like you won at home in your home stadium. There's all this Hollywood shit. So good. I mean, if you can repeat, you know, McVeigh must be really special. You've won two of them. Did you indulge in the banquet season? I feel like Matthew was in the commercials.

he was at the S-Bees, he's on vacation. McVeigh's done a lot, and a lot of that's just whatever. And then once it's training camp, like, let's focus in. But do you make anything of that? So I think if you to track, if you to put a GPS tracker on my car in St. Louis after like a 2 and 14 season, you would have wondered what the fuck I won the way I would party sometimes in the off season. Because, you know, like before I get to work, I want to get it out of my system. And so, you know, we were in Vegas.

We were doing the, you know, we were at the nightclubs. We were having a good time. I would go on vacation right after the season, blow it out. I think the biggest difference is that nobody's watching, right? Like nobody's watching what the Lions did this offseason. So it's that self-fulfilling prophecy that makes everybody a little tweaky. You know, when you walk back in the building, every, all the messaging is we are not going to get complacent. Yeah.

And so what are you thinking about all day if you have a big sign that? it says we're not going to get complacent. People are thinking about the sign not going to work and being who they were last year. And I think that's the biggest. Overcompensating. Yeah, it's overcompensation for something that you're anticipating happening,

which may not happen at all because you might have the right better in leadership. And listen, GMs, coaches, they get squirrely after a championship. They start overthinking things. I can tell you, I mean, I know Sean did a lot of reading unlike books and he went on his honeymoon. And yes, he was parting.

stuff, but like he came back and we spoke for a long time when he got back. A lot of reading and a lot of the focus is exactly what you're talking about. How to not just make it hot air and then the message gets lost that like you're overcompensating. It's more how do I get these guys challenged to want to do it again and be self-motivated, which is hard. Well, you've got a Bobby Wagner coming in. Alan Robinson. You've got Aaron Donald who couldn't want it anymore.

You've got Alan Robinson, as you just mentioned. you sprinkle in some hungry veterans. You know, you also have the right leadership. And ultimately as a head coach, it's your job to design the program, right? I think the coaches sometimes bite the cheese as much as anybody use that adage three times in a podcast. But the coaches, the coaches are the ones a lot of times who get caught. The coaches are the ones, and you know this, you know coaches. We go on the road for a road trip, you know, our curfews at 9 o'clock.

They're out. When the meetings end, they're out getting drunk. And they're out at dinner with their wives. Yep. I'm not down in anybody. That's just the way it is. So when it comes to not being complacent, it goes both ways. Because these coaches are having a nice little off season as well and enjoying that,

those playoff checks and everything that comes with it. So I think the entire organization in L.A., and I know these guys. I know, you know, Demo. Reggie Scott, Demoff, less. Like, less need, it doesn't get any better, right? It doesn't get any better in Sean McVey. Scott's my guy. So like they're going to have the foundational pieces. And some of the guys in the building, a few of them were in St. Louis. And they know how far they've come. Artists.

You know what I mean? Yeah. So and a lot of them are staff guys, but like they're going to know what they just went through to get there. I spoke to a coach and assistant. I won't say who, but I said, you know, how was the ring ceremony? And he said it hit finally became reality. And that's great. But he's like, it also hit. How fucking. hard it was last year. And so, and like the, the challenge of we got to do it again now. And it's real. Yeah. No question. No question. Okay, real quick, two quick hitters to get you out of here. Is there a team that has made you buy in after a week of camp that you did not expect to buy? You know, like, are you falling victim to any of these like social media highlights or

NFL network stuff? No, the only, the only team that I was like, ah, let's see that I'm hearing. really, I mean, I think, and you might roll your eyes out of, I'm not sure where you are on him, but like, I think Russell Wilson changes the Broncos a lot. And just everything I hear out of that camp about how magnetic he is and the combination with Hackett, I'm not sure if you ever met, but is like the most positive, the most charismatic, like the most fun coach. And these two guys are going to like will a winning attitude out of that Denver Broncos franchise who's been dormant. That's the only one. Like, everyone's raving about Minnesota right now, what they've got. Minnesota. It's a first year. It's a first year. It's a first year. It's a first.

year off it's a first year coach like i and hack it's a first year coach too but at least they have russell wilson to go with it so i'm going to say denver's my team that coming into this i was like let's see and then a weekend i'm like all right i could believe it that's really interesting i i think they're going to get each other in trouble there in the a fc west knocking each other off all year and somebody's you know that the a team that would have home field advantage no questions asked maybe in another division might not and so like they could be loaded but come playoff time they could just all be fucking exhausted. You know, it could be too much attrition.

I've got one more for you, and it's, and I should have mentioned it. And I think the Colts are going to be really good this year, too. Hell yeah. I would love that. I think Matt Ryan's a huge upgrade. I also think Stefan Gilmore's healthy and is really good. And they added Janique and Gakwe, who, who I'll tell you this, when we had him on good morning football, we're like, what was the biggest, like, experience had in Raiders.

And his thing was like, I got to learn from Howie Long, which I thought was really cool. Yeah, yeah. It was neat. Like he, like, respects, like, not. I don't know your father, but like he got it, you know. And this is a guy who if you look at him and you look at, you know, DeForest Buckner, what they've done in their career is like, it's a really good one too up front. It's a great one too.

A lot of people are overlooking him. I don't know why. I've never seen a great player or a great rusher end up on so many teams so early and have no, and have no character issues. And like this guy, he's a great dude. He came on the show. Like you said, like I know this because, you know, dad'll be like, I was just texting with Unique.

Gakway. You're like, that's cool. What the fuck. You know, he's just hitting him up for advice, which I think is a really, like, it's a cool thing to do. And yeah, I think that one-two punch is going to be great. It's great having you on the pod, man. Yeah, it's great catching up. And I can't wait to do it again. Can't wait to get to Albany with you, my friend. Yeah, let's go. We'll muster up the fucking, uh, the courage to talk to Beaver. Hey, not Albany, New York, folks. Trust me. Not Albany, New York. Anyways, you're reading through some of the names next year for the Hall of Fame. guys that people think are likely to get in or have a shot to get in. Some interesting kind of like conversation around which receiver, right?

Tori Holt, Andre Johnson, Steve Smith, who people have said they think he's getting held out because of kind of the way he's perceived, which is, I'm so tired of that shit. You're like, are we really, are we really doing this with guys? If we're really doing that with Steve Smith, it's ridiculous. Steve Smith, amazing player, amazing Panther. I was a Panthers fan growing up. And the Panthers are going to have a couple guys in soon. They just had Sam Mills get in this past weekend, which was awesome.

Did he technically go in as a Panther? Yeah, that's where people know him, even though he was great with the Saints. I mean, he made a boatload of tackles with the Saints in obscurity. They had a defense called the Dome Patrol, which is a hilarious. name for a defense. Dome Patrol. I love that. If somebody has a Dome Patrol T-shirt,

I'll pay you. Oh, sent to so much money. Two X ones, yo. Dome Patrol, please. Sam, Sam Mills was an absolute, God rest of the soul. Sam Mills was an absolute beast, man. Five-nine,

but just a football player, man. He was in the USFL, and I guess Jim Mora, senior was his coach and said we got to give him a shot here in New Orleans he stuck there he ended up in Carolina and that's when I was a Panthers fan dude when they were kind of a young team

I just moved to Virginia I was a huge Panthers fan got to go down there meet Kevin Green when my dad did a feature on the Panthers that was really cool part of the reason I think is I was so starstruck when I got to hang out with Julius Peppers at the Super Bowl and you know Pep coolest guy ever coolest guy ever how about getting to play with Pep

That's so fucking cool. But Sam Mills was like a leader of that team. And actually their keep pounding thing, that was his kind of saying. And how about a guy who ends up with a statue, you know, outside the stadium passed away in, I think, 2005. It was great to see him get in. But Panthers fans are saying, hey, Steve Smith, it's about time. You know, PEP's going to be in soon. And Steve Smith has the second most receiving yards of wide receivers not in the Hall of Fame.

the other one being Larry Fitzgerald. So he is almost more of a case over Torrey Hald and Andre Johnson. I think Tori Holt deserves to be in ASAP. I mean, that's just me throwing my two cents in there. It's a homer thing for me. But also I think like underrated in most fans, like minds. Like I think most younger NFL fans do not know what Tori Holt was all about. And Isaac Bruce, for that matter, they got lost in the shuffle of that great

offense, you know? Marshall Falk was such a centerpiece, and he was so good and mad, and, like, everybody knows how good Marshall Falk was. But some people that are a little bit younger, they might not know T. Holt as well as, I think, like, people our age do. T. Holt should get in. They've also got two edge rushers, really, next year that you got to decide between D. Ware and Dwight Franey.

That's another, like, crazy conversation. Here's an interesting one next year, Devin Hester. Yes, sir. who you played with, right? Yeah. Adam Rank had a little write-up this weekend, and a lot of these kind of decisions that have to be made. I was reading him in Adam Ranks article,

by the way, really cool guy. Met him in Vegas the last time we went out there. But Devin Hester is one that probably deserves to get in. The best return man of all time. Any person you have to literally game plan, when you have to game plan for one person when it comes to special teams, you have to think about that

and the mindset of like a team and the time you like the limited time you have to to coach your team up on a weekly basis but you have to spend yeah some of that time with all your players your star players who play special teams on one guy and to know and to be in practice to see this guy on the daily basis what he can do and the type of speed he had and I I play on the team with him during the later years of his career and just to see him on a daily basis move the way he did was impressive. Yeah, you got to see a real time and a place. Devin Hester returning kicks in Chicago, that's like one of those things. If you got to see that up close every week, that's pretty damn cool. In 2008 with the Rams, we had this special teams coach. Al Roberts, he was funny as hell.

And like, as rookies, you always have to be in special teams meetings. And when we played the Bears, man, he stood up there. You know how Brad Pitt yells, Hector or somebody yells Hector in Troy. She used to get up there and go, Hester! Like all week, dude, he just stand up there. You know when a coach is standing in front of the projector and all the people, the players are all over their face

and they just look like they're unhinged and the guy's just up there in the dark with the projector and his face just yelling, Hester! That guy changes the temperature in a building when you got to get ready to play. Everybody's like, you got to know where this guy is. Even when he gets in on offense, although he wasn't like an offensive dynamo.

Like when he was in the game, everybody knows exactly. It's like when Ted, Ted Ginn was in the game. Everybody's like, where the fuck is he lined up? Because he's so scary. There was nobody scarier than Devin Hester.

And, you know, the question that it begs is like, who's a winner if Devin Hester gets in? And how many more special teams, like, returner guys or like slash type guys can get in before they say like,

it's too many. I think Devin Hester's in for sure. I think Brian Mitchell deserves to be in, dude. Like Brian Mitchell, if you're putting returners in, 15 years are really solid play, unlike some other guys who were returners that had shorter shelf lives. Like Dante Hall is a guy that, like,

is as famous as any returner I've ever, like, seen in the NFL, like Little Wayne puts you in his song, right? Like, you're a fucking, you're a thing, dude. And I play with Dante Hall, by the way. Okay. After Kansas City, he was in St. Louis when I got there. He lived above the Maggianos. There's a statute of limitations as expired on doxing.

Dante Hall's residence, but he lived above the fucking Maggianos. Imagine like going to Maggianos and walking out with a big to go plate of pasta and fucking Dante Hall walks by to get into his fucking apartment. So he was cool as shit. But he didn't play for 15 years like Brian Mitchell. and Brian Mitchell had 23,000 all-purpose yards. That's second to Jerry Rice. So Brian Mitchell, most punt return yards, most kickoff return yards.

He's got four years of 2,000 yards all-purpose, right? And owns a ton of playoff records too, because he played in the NFC East. He played in big games. He played for all the NFC East teams except for Dallas. I mean, he was just an absolute beast. And I want to say this, Brian Mitchell, if he gets in, I want to see Darren Sprouls get in one day. And, you know, like somebody at home might be listening, like,

well, where do we draw the line? Okay, if there's a spectrum of guys who just return kicks and guys who do everything, Devin Hester's kind of on one end of the spectrum where he was this spectacular returner, right? But Sproles was really dangerous offensively. More so than Brian Mitchell. I mean, he set the all-purpose record in I think 2011

with almost 3,000 yards all-purpose. I know I had to run with him on a wheel route, in 2011. It was terrifying, dude. It was like chasing a car and just praying they didn't throw the ball to him. But this guy on that end of the spectrum did it all. He might not have had the return touchdowns that some guys did. I think he was like top six in return touchdowns total.

But you talk about a guy that he ran for 4.9 yards of carry. He's the only guy with 3,000 yards receiving and rushing to have that kind of number when it comes to the average yards per carry. So, I mean, I think Sproles got to get it. And here's the big question. You say, well, where do you draw the line? Well, the line's drawn, dude. Like, there are not going to be a bunch of guys

that are going to get in as returners or slash guys. Debo Samuel, if Debo Samuel played like this, his whole career, he's a Hall of Famer, right? And that, of course, is the leap from being like a great player for a period and being a Hall of Famers. You have to do it over a period of time. but just a returner like you know I'm not saying

somebody with multiple positions can't get in but somebody who returns kicks is probably not going to get in on just returning kicks anymore because the game has changed uh basically when they started making the game safer trying to never say never

no just have to be super spectacular like you have to be Hall of Fame I'm glad you said that I'm glad you said that because Nate and this is all I'm saying before they changed the kickoff I mean Not only these guys have wedges, right? Where you had these big fullback types running and colliding with other big linebacker types.

So like on one hand, I think the players are faster in today's game, right? So the guys running down the field are faster, right? Kick coverage is probably better. I don't know if they're better tacklers, but the speed is on you quicker. Most importantly, however, there's more touchbacks, right? Yeah, for sure.

letting people return kicks as much because of the rule changes. And just because, like, dangerous guys don't get the ball kicked on, these directional punters and shit. Look at the numbers. So between 2001 and 2010, the most return yards had at least 1,500 yards, with highs in the 1700s and the 1,800s, total on the air. So, like, the best in that time period, before they changed the rule, had 1,800 yards, right?

And then between 2011 and 2021, the high, the highs surpassed 15, once okay so like on average the highs in that time period or like 1,800 yards in return yardage in a season now it's like 1,500 yards like that's the best we've had over the last 10 years and and and from 2016-201 the high was under a thousand three times so like that's a lot of numbers but I'm just saying that to say like returners getting in the Hall of Fame it's it ain't happening anymore. I think those days are over. I really do. I really do. So like, why not just, hey, this was a time and a place where you're going to have guys who are able to accrue 3,000 all-purpose yards in a season and aren't number one targets offensively? I think

Darren Sproles and Brian Mitchell especially, like those guys should get in. And Sproles has a ring. You know, he didn't play in the game, but I will tell you, we're not there without Darren Sproles like Darren Sproles made a number of big plays over the course of that season I know his season was shorter but everybody has something to do with that that championship so I don't know that was my little two cents on returners I really think you can get a couple more in and then just lock the door because there's not going to be a Devon Hester again that's what makes Devon Hester so amazing is not not only he was Devon Hester but there will never be another one there can't yeah right I agree yeah punt returns are also down because while kick

kickoffs have been like cut in half in the last 20 years puns are down about a quarter as well yeah so I mean I just going for it on fourth you do the math I just it's hard to imagine somebody like doing enough as a returner to get in so um hopefully devon hester gets in next year hopefully for the game of football we do get someone who at least challenges it that we like maybe sometime in 10 15 years we'll be having this talk again like hey if this kid keeps having a couple of more seasons like this maybe i just have a hard time imagining that they're gonna like they're gonna go we'll will we'll pro rate these numbers right like it's just hard for me to imagine you know at a at a position that's not thought of as premium although it is you know in the grand scheme of things like to to then adjust for numbers that were better in the past that's all