Green Light with Chris Long - PFT Commenter! Brian Westbrook! Gronk Retires, MT Rushmore of Philadelphia Eagles & Bridges.

Episode Date: June 24, 2022

(2:25) - Rest in Peace Tony Siragusa. (15:30) - Rob Gronkowski Retires? Or Does He Not Want to Go to Training Camp? (23:00) - Chris Continues to Fill Up His White Guy Bingo Card. (25:45) - Dr. Fax’s Trip to the Pillow Fights in Florida. (37:00) - PFT on Favorite Bridges, Gronk’s Retirement, Billy Football’s Suspension and Beach Code Breaks. (1:10:45) - Dr. Fax’s River Watch, Howie’s Neighbor Dives for Howie’s Golf Balls and Additional Beach Code Breaks. (1:28:15) - Brian Westbrook and Chris Long Discuss Mount Rushmore of Philadelphia Eagles, NFC East 2022 Season Outlook and Can Carson Succeed in Washington? Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. https://www.greenlightpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Tennessee, y'all, 2. 1-800-9-9-7-89. Boy, the Greenlight podcast sure welcomes you today. We've got a party of a show today, folks. First, we've got PFT. He's going to talk about his favorite bridges, some bridge-related stories. Then we're going to talk gronk retiring in our favorite gronk stories, and then we'll discuss a couple possible beach code breaks. And then Brian Westbrook, one of the best Eagles of all time, discusses the Mount Rushmore of Philadelphia Eagles with Chris. They both come ready with a

couple good lists and a couple discrepancies. Brian also helps us with the outlook of the NFC East for the 2022 season. Talks about the possibility of the Eagles making the playoffs if Carson can survive in Washington and is there any hope in Dallas. Dr. Fax is also back from Florida. He's going to give you a little recap of the pillow fighting championships.

Y'all enjoy. Okay, today's flight. I'm your pilot. Nate's co-pilot. Got Cowboy Read up here in the first class. Impeckably dressed male flight attendant. That's right. Guys, we're going to have a great day. We've got PFT comment

joining us. We're going to talk about a bunch of stuff. We're going to talk about code breaks. Matter of fact, last night, I think I was a part of a really egregious code break situation. Got our umbrella stolen at a restaurant, and it was our anniversary. So whoever stole my wife's umbrella that she stole from somebody before you stole it, I hope. What kind of umbrella? I hope you stub the fuck out of your toe. That was our anniversary. To their defense, it was torrential down. poor i know but so like kicking the can down the road for us man you don't think that's a code break it is but it's just like what if it was their anniversary and he didn't have an umbrella so he's like

let me snag this Nate this is far fetch but the fact that you guys stole the umbra you be a good lawyer is funny or a bad lawyer i'm not sure which one i'm going to get you out the fact that you guys It was also your anniversary. Stole it first. Yeah. Well, she didn't really steal it. She borrowed it. Effectively, you know, like never giving it back.

But, you know, I didn't know, I don't know if there's some code when it comes to umbrellas. You know, like, you can't just pick up somebody's umbrella, even if it's the same color as yours, can you? I think if it's raining, like, it's a little more wild west. Yeah. Yeah, it's a little. Yeah, exactly. Really? And then you could, like, and then you drop it at the next place you go to, the next public place.

Take a penny. Leave a penny. Exactly. Socialist. You're a socialist. When it comes to umbrellas, maybe. It's just, when it comes to, like, staying dry in the outdoors.

But, uh, so, uh, what if I have a custom fucking umbrella? That's even better because then you can, you can find them on rainy day. You should just start walking around on rainy days.

Yeah. Yeah. See who's using that umbrella. Yeah. That would be awesome. That to me makes it like a no fly zone. If you have a standard black umbrella. No.

Actually, no, this is a fucking code break. Matt, why am I being gaslit here? Why am I allowing myself to be gaslit? I think if you have a, if you have your own personal umbrella, just like, keep it on your person. So it's not in the communal umbrella area. Or put that with the slots and everything for a reason. Otherwise, you know, for people to use it.

Good gracious. Luckily, it wasn't raining when we left the restaurant. My wife's hair looked beautiful. It always does. Happy anniversary, Mac. A couple days late, but, you know, I'm not going to just have a podcast that comes out the day of our anniversary so I can do it on time. So what did you describe you? I was confused. What did you describe?

What type of anniversary was it? Wedding. Nine. But you said golden? She was saying it's a golden anniversary of some sort. Like, you know, they, what do they say? Golden birthdays. Is that what they say?

Because it's because it was on the 22nd. Bear with me here. And the year is 22. Nobody was yelling this from the mountain tops. I just thought it was funny that she caught. Yeah, our anniversary is the 22nd of June, and it's 2022. A golden anniversary is 50 years, by the way. Yeah, well, she was, so this is our platinum anniversary.

And what would have been great is had we gotten married in 2000. Think about that, all twos, 22 years at it on the 22nd in 2022. Be sweet if you were 15 when you married. It would be an arranged marriage for sure. Okay, so anyways, let's. get back on course. I've got some housekeeping. First things first. The bad news.

Tony Sergusa passed away. Suddenly, yesterday, I mean, like, I didn't hear anything to the effect if he wasn't doing well. I loved Tony Syragusa. Everybody loves Tony Syragusa. I didn't know him well. I met him one night at a Super Bowl. Like, you know, like a lot of times, like, at the

Super Bowl guys go to hang out, retired players, active players. I was there doing an appearance or something. and I ran into Saragusa and was like, hey, you want to drink a beer or two? And then it turned into like a couple hours of drinking beer. And like, where are you going? I'll go there. Like, you know, he was just, he acted like normal. We knew each other.

And to me, he was like a legend. Now, I know he didn't go to any Pro Bowls. I know he wasn't a superstar. But this guy was a legend to me because he was on those awesome defenses. And that's such an important role on those defenses. But beyond that, and you saw that. this sentiment echoed all yesterday. I think the best thing about him from a distance.

And after like watching a million YouTube videos of him last night, like this dude was a great teammate. And you knew it anyways, but any miced up that I came across, I mean, he was a league leader in like hugging his buddies. Him and Shannon Sharp and hard knocks, like watching hard knocks.

When they had the old cameras before HD and all that, seeing the interactions that they will have, you definitely feel like, That was a guy you would love to be in the locker room with. Love to have as a teammate. And then on top of it, just being a guy, being a huge Sopranos fan, to see an NFL guy, like having a small, reoccurring role. It was bigger role than I remember.

Yeah. And he was Tony. He said four episodes? Yeah. He was Tony Sopranos bodyguard for a few episodes and he was in bigger scenes. But for him to play that role and to kind of really look the part. Yeah. It's kind of method acting going on there.

Exactly. It's kind of like reflecting back and looking at it now, just being like, yo, he kind of like fit right into that narrative and into that show, just not having to change a lot. Well, listen, he was awesome. He was larger in life. Like, that's the way people get described. And when you meet somebody like that, you know it immediately that they're like, they say

that for a reason. I mean, this dude just, he acted like you were on one of those teams with him. And he's not afraid to make fun of himself because didn't. didn't he have the adult pamper's didn't he have the sponsorship with him? Did he have the the hamper's sponsored? Yeah, yeah, with an adult diaper. Yeah. With an adult diaper.

That's great. That right there just goes to show like, hey, he probably get a bag, but like a lot of guys take themselves serious. Like, I would never do that. And for someone like that, it's just like, who's going to make fun of him to his face about it? To be that badass because he was unquestionably a badass and on a badass defense, but to be able to be down to earth and not have to carry himself like a total like hard ass everywhere

he goes like that is a really impressive skill that I think like more dudes could could master like you don't have to be an alpha everywhere you go man this guy was an alpha but when you met him he didn't have to alpha you he was cool he was down to earth and that really made an impression on me I made a lot of older players and uh you know like guys like that make me want to treat younger players that you meet really cool because we are a fraternity and it hurts when we lose somebody like Tony Seragusa and then for the Ravens you lose Jalen Ferguson the same day. Oh my goodness. And it's just one of the saddest days that you can imagine for a franchise. But I'll tell you this, man, like watching his videos and some of these videos that people were claiming were the last videos that he was

in and that sort of thing. He seemed like he was in a really good place. You have to acknowledge that what you see from somebody, you never know what they're going through, what's going on health-wise, you know from a mentality wise but like i have no reason to speculate he wasn't in a really good place he seemed happy i saw a video of him and his wife like planning basil like i saw a video of him like giving motivational quotes within the last year and i thought one of the quotes that i saw was really fitting for him and said don't go he he actually shared this quote he was doing like a little motivational thing which i love it when like the dudes were a little bit older and us like dive into the social media because they never got a chance to do it. So I was excited about this.

But his quote that he shared was, don't go where there's a path, go where there is no path and leave a trail, which is like it's a worn out kind of quote, but he lived it. So he gets to say that. I mean, because he really was a trailblazer. Like he was, he was his own guy. He was always his own guy. So rest in peace, Tony Sargousa was chilling to hear, you know, the interview with Howard Stern. And some people, if you've seen the interview, it was about his mortality and kind of his dad who had a massive heart attack at 47, presumably a big guy as well. And you know how some of this stuff is really genetic. So it might not have anything to do with football. Again, I don't want to speculate. But what was really telling about Tony was just how like at peace he was with

everything in his life or seemingly, you know, loved his dad to death, like watched his dad pass away right in front of him, but said that after that day he's been happy. ever since because he lives his life like there's no tomorrow and that's a that's the type of guy he he seemed to be you know also very open talking about that experience which I think shows somebody who has like tremendous emotional intelligence which I think makes you a great teammate too and a leader and that's there's no wonder he gets along with people so well he was an emotionally intelligent cat some people were pissed about Howard Stern the way he was asking those questions you know like did you see the life leave your dad's eyes and stuff but I also think

as an aside, Howard Stern's a great interviewer because he can read the room. Like he's not going to follow up with those questions for somebody who's rattled or is not comfortable talking about. Tony Sergousa convinced that, convinced Howard Stern that he was okay to talk about the passing of his dad, the sudden passing of his dad. And that says a lot about Tony Sergusa. He's just got it, he had it together, man. And I hope he was in a good place because and hopefully it was quick, whatever it was, man. Do you think what all the CTE stuff that, like with everyone just always having that thought when you see a NFL player,

a past NFL player die, do you think that it's tainted now that everyone's gonna always, unless there's a definite, like, reason for death? What's the mortality rate for 350 pound man? Yeah. He's outlived most in America.

Exactly. I mean, like, you know, he seemed to be happy. He seemed to be, you know, like whatever happened, hopefully had nothing to do with football. Yeah. But I did see a speculative tweet or two yesterday

that I just think is always really inappropriate when a football player does. I have that thought also. Do you think a lot of retired players or ex-players, when we hear that one of our fraternity brothers have passed away, do you think we're immediately having that thought? Like, hey, like, was it football related? Or is this something like you think a lot of guys are worried or thinking about that? But I also, yeah, for sure.

And I think sometimes it can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's hard when you see your friends dying. But I have friends I grew up with around here that died. Yeah. You know, I have people, you know, I know tons of people that died on timely deaths. I'm not denying the inherent dangers of football. Yeah. But what I'm also saying is that we shouldn't, especially out of respect for people who just died,

assume that they died because of a certain thing. Yeah. And even if you, you know, and I don't speculate on Tony's death, but there's no reason to believe it had anything to do with this. But naturally, there's going to be people with shitty takes. I hate speculating. Yeah. I just, and I think people, it does bother me. This is a sensitive spot for me.

I have a dad who played in the NFL for 13 years. When people tell me how it's gonna end for me and for my family or from my dad who played in a totally different league, who by the way is one of the smartest, most even keeled kindest people I know who's not erratic. Who's quite the opposite, I wish he was more erratic. Can't even get him to go on the river with me

because he's afraid of snakes and shit. He's not crazy, he's very sound of mind. And I hate that people, assume and and cherry picks some statistics yeah you know it is dangerous CTE is real we're also big people yeah for sure you know what I mean and we also happen to be a little bit different you got to be a little different to play in the NFL I just don't like people cherry picking and saying well because I'm noticing that people I heard of passed away in their 50s or 60s or 40s you know there's some giant conclusion to be gleaned from that there's a lot of guys who are going to leave football and

and they are right now living really happy, healthy lives, and you're not hearing about all those guys. You know, nobody's talking about Allen Page or, like, there's some really bright guys that played football. I mean, Jack Kemp ran for president. That doesn't make you bright, but, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's a lot of guys that went on to live really quietly successful or loudly successful lives that we don't talk about.

And it does feel like as players, sometimes we can't catch a break and people are just dropping left and right. We did play a dangerous sport. It does damage us irreparably in a lot of cases, but I don't think every death always has to do with football. Good news now in housekeeping. That was deep for to start the show. But, you know, sometimes it gets deep around here.

You know, Gronk has retired. Again. Again. So we're going to talk to PFT about that. I will ask him what his favorite Gronk memory was or favorite Gronk play. I'll tell you what my, there's a lot of funny directions I could go with this with Gronk. But on the football field, it's the play with 730 to go in the Super Bowl. It's the seam route or whatever it was on Corey Littleton that Brady had to hit.

The game's tied three three. They haven't moved the ball all day. I'm watching this Super Bowl just dumbfounded at how little offensive production there is. And Tom Brady, to be fair, put it on his fucking beeper, dude. I mean, like, it was a beautiful throw. But it's the luxury of having that big target that you know can create mismatches and will snag that ball like Velcro wherever you put it in the biggest situation. and having that confidence to go to him,

that's the stability of having a guy like Gronk for a long time. So very important to Brady on the field, but also very important to Brady's legacy. Brady made that throw, but that's a big throwing catch. And that to me is as big as Super Bowl for Tom Brady as any ever. Because who knows if he's like, fuck it, I'll go down to Tampa and try my hand.

I mean, they just lost to Nick Foles and the Eagles. Right? So that stung. And it had been a while for them now. It'd been 2016, it'd been three, four years or whatever. Tom needed that Super Bowl. He didn't need it, but it meant a lot to him. I know it did.

Scrappy win for them, huge play. Also, I remember when we were in London playing Rob Gruncowski, and we got just fucking blasted by the Pats. Like just, we scored the opening touchdown. Chris Givens on a bomb from San Bradford, and we were all like, oh, my God, we're going to beat the Patriots, mate. And then they scored 44 unanswered points, dude. It was like Brady throwing darts and Grant caught a lot of them.

He caught one for a touchdown and did the Royal Guard thing with the ball. If you guys remember that, he was stomping around like he was a Royal Guard guy as only he could. He had eight for 146 and two touchdowns in that game. Yes. 45 to 7 final score. Yes, it was ugly. Our linebackers had a tough day. Let's bring James Laronitis on the program.

What I'm talking about worst flight home? That's a bad flight. That was a bad flight, dude. I went home. People went out and partied in London and I just tried to chew like as many lunesta as I could could not fall asleep.

Didn't fall asleep on the plane. It was awful. But that's grok on the field. Gronk off the field. One, I don't want to say favorite, but very interesting memory was he went to speak at University of Rhode Island one year. He's at a university, right?

And he requests to play a game of like thinly veiled Merry Fuck Kill with Rex Ryan, Tim Tebow, and Betty White, Reid, your gal. He, of course, chose to fuck Tebow to take his virginity. Well, I would ask Tebow the good take his virginity. At the university, dude. I didn't say it.

If you're like, dude, I got kids in the car. Talk to Rob Grancowski. He's talking to an Institute of Higher Learning. He's out here doing MFK in the 21st century. Anyways Whatever you want to call him He was one of a kind So in some of the same vein

That Tony Sergous was one of a kind There's a guy who did not go where there was a past So we'll talk to PFT about that And then we also have Brian Westbroke on today To talk about the thing that went viral yesterday On Eagles Twitter which is super easy to do It's easy to get Eagles Twitter riled up Elliot Shore Parks

Who's media member in Philly tweeted out his Mount Rush more of Eagles players. So this should be contentious, interesting, but cordial. And in other Eagles news this week, I was actually at a little league game. Shout out to Jack Pot and Christopher. My godson, Christopher. Shout out to Marcus Hagan's and swerve, who have made really athletic kids. They're both all-stars, you know, so I meant all-star games, which are really cool. I meet somebody from Philly. This gal is telling me a story. She was in the drunk tank down below the vet.

never actually talk to somebody in detail about a drunk tank experience down the vet. Man, it sounds like El Salvador, like down there, dude. Okay, you know drug lords? Like Omar Navarro, if you watch, like Ozark, as I do, this season is fucking fire. Don't spoil it for me. Omar Navarro would feel unsafe in the Philly drunk tank, dude. So stadiums have drunk tanks? No, only the Eagles Stadium, dude, for a long time.

I don't think they have it anymore, but there were so many fucking. you know just total degenerates in that stadium that they actually had to house all the degenerates down there so I mean yeah if I'm a maid man and I want protection that might be the most unsafe place of all time and I'll tell you why listen to this story first she gets her fucking hand smashed in the metal door

and it's like profusely bleeding and she says she's just wiping blood all over the windows like she's in fucking solitary confinement dude like she's Hannibal Lecter and obviously she's fucked up and she's wiping blood all over that thing they took her shoelaces because they thought she was crazy but she was just mad they closed the door

yeah like standard and then this woman comes in and it's like a situation like what are you in for she's like blow job blow job what do you mean she's like I got caught give my husband a blow job so she's in the drunk tank

because she's close talking this close talking this woman and next thing you know they get into a physical altercation. Blowjob ladies got my new friend in a headlock. So, you know, it's just crazy, man. It's just, it's just fucking cartel guy

get killed by a woman who's in for a blow job. I mean, that's the type of thing that can happen down at that drunk tank. If anybody, any of our listeners have stories from the drunk tank, please tweet us at Greenlight. Westbrook and I will not talk about that. We will talk about the Mount Rushmore of Eagles players.

So stick around for that after PFT. And I want to wish everybody a National Hydrox Day. It is National Hydration Day. We are hydrated Kings. Shout out to AQA. You know. Yeah, talking rain. Great water. Yeah, talking rain. Partners on the charity side, they saw it's drinking liquid death. And they were like, what, what, what gives? Really? Yeah. And I was like, send the chat. Well, fill it up. Like, where's the, where's the pallet of water at? My palette, dude. Where's the palette of water at? Yeah. They better hurry up because I might get that liquid death tattoo. Just trying to verify that. Just trying to verify that rumor. Send us money for the free water for life.

Send us money. We got to make sure facts doesn't get the liquid death tattoo, although you would get internet famous and that would be really good. You already are, but you'd be like next level. And that would be really good for the pod. So if you feel like doing that. All right. So there is one more thing. And I was in an absolute flow state like until this moment. I really, I mean like, I know you guys think, God, did Chris turn the corner? Is this show going to be more tightly produced and executed. No, I just got a haircut yesterday. That's all it is, dude.

And thanks for complimenting me, read, you motherfucker. Your ears lowered, got your ears lowered? Yeah, I got all that stuff, dude. You left a little waterfall in the back, a little cascade. Anyways, I think I scored a point in white guy bingo last night, and I want you guys to rule on this here. This is actually pointed out. Did you be umbrella stolen?

Huh? No, his umbrella. That's definitely a point. Now, me personally, I don't use umbrellas. Never have. Never have, dude. If I'm going to get a little water in my hair, actually it kind of looks good. You know what I mean?

Get a little Ryan Gosling look to you, minus the face. Feel you. And what's the movie where they make out in the rain, but they don't remember each other? Oh. No book. Like you start looking like Ryan Gosling in the rain. Oh, I see. That's what the rain makes my hair feel like.

No, so last night there was just an insane lightning storm, dude. Like multiple lightning storm. strikes in my purview. I do this thing where I count the seconds after the strike to tell you how how many miles away. And every time the lightning hits, I give my wife an update. This is important. So I'm wondering, is that something white guys do? Now, Nate, is that something black guys do? So if I knew accurately what you're talking about, I did use to do it when I did know the whole thing of spacing out. It's like spacing out the thunder and the lightning

or the show like how close it is. They used to say, know what I remember it from? I feel like the baseball league I played in. That's how they used to be like, nope, the game's over. It's too close. And you're in the league.

Look how far we've come with that shit. And the umpire will be, they will be counting. And they'll be like, what are you counting? Be like, oh, if it's this, then we can play. But if it's this,

then it's too close. And now thinking about that, that's incredible. Now you just look down at your Apple watch And it's like, hey, hey, go in the house. I'm really glad we, I'm really glad that the thought came back to me, because this is incredible that one day we're going to be able to tell our kids like, fuck, right now we're going to be able to tell our kids like,

we used to have to use the lightning counting system to not get hit by lightning. To know if we're safe or not. I mean, my God. Times have changed. So yeah. So that's a universal thing. I guess so. I don't get a point.

Maybe not. I don't want to get a point. That's good. Actually it was mag was like you should do that on your fucking white guy bingo segment That's funny. I'm joking she didn't do that you laughed um I agree that's a white guy bingo point Yeah it's like a white dad thing yeah guy in cargo shorts I'm wearing fucking carggy Oh dude stone island though you got hoochie daddy's on that's the what the fuck is that's the new That's the new term really for shorts that are high above your knees like that that men are sitting right now

Hootie Daddy's. Don't skip leg die. Hucci daddies. Nate, you just got back from Florida. Yeah. Survived Florida. Talk to me about it. You were down there for pillow fights.

Yeah, came back. Rise events, PFC, professional pillow fighting champion. Unfortunately, my friend... How much did Rise pay you to say that? They didn't pay me anything. Okay. They didn't pay me anything. I wish.

I wish. They didn't pay you to go be the corner man for the people. People that are catching up, Nate went down there. It was actually like, to be honest, to be honest, to be honest, it was a great event. To that, to speaking of the corner, the corner thing. Yeah. It was kind of a little unorganized on the back end of stuff. I could imagine.

Or they tightened things up. They told the fighters one thing before the night and then the night of, I guess every fighter had a list of four people they were in their corner. and they chopped that down to two. So I didn't get this, could have been in the corner. Oh, that's Florida. Yeah,

I didn't get to be in the corner, but I was still front row, and I got to see all the other fights. There was eight MMA fights. You got to see the fake fights. The real fight. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the pillow fights were sprinkled in.

Got to see my friend Kendall Volker fight. Shout out to Kendall. Unfortunately, she didn't win. They're still putting together the rules and halfway through the match, they informed Kendall. that she couldn't swing the pillow with two hands on the pillow.

That's like her game. She was training that way. Yeah. And she surprised me too. She did this acrobatic move at the start of the second round where she did a cartwheel. And after the cartwheel, she did this wild swing of the pillow. And her opponent at the time was trying to do some roundhouse. She was trying to do some type of move where she was off the ground and Kendall connected with her.

and the optic of it was really crazy because she hit her in the face, knocked her down, and it was pretty excited. They should do these fights on beds. That is literally the way to, you want to fix this sport. I'm not saying this sport needs to get fixed,

Nate, but what I'm hearing here is upper management might be a little understaffed, maybe with an organizational vision. The way to do that is to raise capital. Now I can sell a pillow fighting league where the people are fighting on beds. And thinking, when you fall off, you can hit the dresser. Listen.

How cool would that be? Thinking ahead, bro. Yeah. We have a lane. Yeah. If they start tag team, me and you, bro, we will take out any of the men's. Guaranteed. Guaranteed, bro.

But if it gets big enough that we're going to want to do it, like there'll be legit dudes in there. Oh. No offense to the current pillow fighters. I don't think so. I don't think so. Okay. Because it looks like right now, and I'm sorry to anyone who takes offense of this. looks like the people

are pillow fighting are low level MMA guys that are maybe not getting into... They probably know that. I mean we're talking around a lot on this show but they probably know that. But yeah they're probably that probably can't get the fights but also the reason why is also is I think the winners of these

certain fights of the pillow they were I know if Kendall had won she would have won $5,000 and that for some of those guys who are in the fighting ring that's a lot of money. The MMA guys and some of these fights that they're having they're not the chance to win that amount of money they're not getting um so i think a lot of guys just for that reason they don't care like if it's a pride strike or whatever to be like hey i'll go do this

like on the weekend here and there to potentially win i've had to watch the fucking like miami dolphins betting five grand on them like i'll go fucking pillow fight for five man yeah no offense i god damn he's the first team in my head but last year you played in some low scoring games No, that's going to change this year, yackeray. First time ever seen, have you ever seen an MMA fight in person? Yeah. You have? Yeah, in St. Louis.

It wasn't UFC, but it was Bellator. This wasn't either, but I've never seen it before. And I can say I'm unsure if I would enjoy it like a lot. Like if I, if we had to like cover UFC or something like that all the time. You're unsure if you could do that. Yo, the sound of hearing someone get punched in their face very, very hard. Like, by a pillow. No, no, no, no.

This is, there was actual MMA. Sorry, I went back. So my back. No, you're fine. There was actually MMA. And that's what I'm saying. Going from watching someone get hit with a pillow really hard, ooze and eyes. But then seeing someone get clocked in their face, I seen a dude get kicked, like a dude get a running kick.

in his face and like he fall and like the dude like follow through like on him and I was just like this is like you know what it is when you're watching it but seeing it in person is a different Kyle Long could fight MMA you think so because of his sheer sheer size now the rounds could have to be a lot shorter if I was pitching a league for Kyle I would say five rounds of 12 seconds each usually these are going to go about I actually I actually like that because then with that you have to be a real technician to get someone to to tap out because that's my biggest gripe if I ever want to do MMA. If anyone's about to bend my arm back or my leg or my ankle, I'm tapping out before it even hurts. Oh, yeah, no question. But you're not breaking my arm. But I think the scary thing about Kyle is not only sheer size,

but you weren't here for this. He came in the other day with mud on his big giant foot from Boston. And he was in Boston yesterday. So he had mud from the golf course on his big stinky foot. And if I were Kyle and I was fighting in an MMA league, I would just I would roll up like that and then people are like really frightened at your kick like not only gonna get knocked knocked out but it's gonna smell like big foot's dick can you but can you imagine a spinning elbow from your brother I can't imagine any of that take someone's head off wouldn't wouldn't the foot stank

almost act like a smelling salt though because if you knock somebody out but then that kind of lingers then the person gets back up no because like dead people smell themselves I mean like it doesn't like dead people up that's how Kyle's foot smells like death, dude. So yeah, anyways, I sent him the social the other day. Like, Kyle, you okay with me putting this picture of your gross giant foot on the internet? And I was like, there was a five minute delay. I was like, fuck, he's uncomfortable. We found the wall with him. And he texts me back. And he's like, uh, I love that social. So he's twisted. He knew how to do it. He just held his foot right at the camera and then wave with his toes. He wave was, it was gross. So this, yeah, quick shout out.

I've seen one fight that you're not supposed to judge a book by its cover. This chick, Gracie Greco, I'm not going to lie. When I've seen you line up for this fight. Gracie Greco. That's her name. She has two names of disciplines inside her name. She's Gracie and Greco Roman wrestling. Like you named your kid to be a fan.

I don't know if it's part of her swag or whatever, but she looked like she was out of place, like that she should not be in a boxing rink and that's her demeanor. Dude, when this fight started, you want to talk about a technician. This girl punched this other girl. She was punching this connecting with jabs. And I've never seen a like in person watch someone's eye swell up. And you actually see the color and like the eye getting bigger and bigger over time.

It's disgusting. But shout out to her because she won her fight like unanimously. and it was just, for me, it was just like, yo, like I really thought, I'm like, oh my God, this girl looks like she's out and, like, she's outmatched and looks like she's going to get beat up. Yeah. And it was the total opposite. Her nickname is killer.

It is. And she fights out of Virginia. Yeah, yeah. She's 21 years old. She honestly looks like if Katie Perry threw up dudes. She looks like all the women at ACAC. Yeah. And that's not slanderous.

I'm just saying, anyways, yeah, shout out to all those people. Yeah, it was a good. It was a good overall event. Violence sports in America. Yeah. Well, MMA for sure, but pillow fighting as well. No way that's a real name, by the way. Right.

I can't find it, but like no way, a fighter's named Gracie Greco. It's perfect. No chance, dude. No chance. Gracie Greco. That's like if the chairman of the IOC became a porn star. Dick Pound. He'll weigh in once a year.

Damn near breaks the scales. but he weighs in once a year on some Olympic. You know, like, I'm trying to read an important article about human rights violations in the nation that's going to be holding the Olympics, and it's like, Dick Pound, assembled with, like, come on. Anyways, shout out to Dick Pound.

It's always good when you get a Dick Pound mention in the open. We're going to get to PFT. Listen, the other day I was watching the College World Series. There was a gummy. There was a bridge. on TV. It was this winding serpentine looking ass bridge in Omaha

which goes to show you I don't watch college world series enough because I figure there's not a lot to come out of commercial with no offense to Omaha. I don't want it to be the New Ames Iowa because I've heard it's a lovely place. No, you're right. It's lovely but not much going on. But yeah, like how many things can you like hey other than like this is a building

or there's a cool car museum or this is a cool city park? Like what differentiates the you know the features of Omaha. It's this dope bridge. And I'm looking at the bridge and I'm thinking about bridges and I'm like, let me tweet about some bridges. And PFT hits me up and jumps in the fray. And I'm all excited about having them on talk about bridges. Fast forward today, I don't give a fuck about bridges, man. I'm over it, dude. I woke up the next morning and looked at my tweets

like somebody looks at text messages with their ex or something like the next day. Dude, I was like, Hey, I love bridges, but do I need to have PFT on to talk about bridges? So we're going to talk about PFT about bridges, hopefully very briefly. I'm going to hopefully get them off the subject, and then we'll move on to Gronk and the rest of it. But here's our friend Eric, because he's been calling in without sunglasses. So when he doesn't have sunglasses on, I call him Eric. Eric, PFT, whatever you want to call him. Here he is. I started taking Athletic Greens because I wanted to see what all the hype was about with one delicious

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and pick up the ultimate daily nutritional insurance. All right, we won't keep you in suspense any longer. Here's Bridge Talk. That's the draw of having him on this podcast, dude. Oh, so you did. $75,000 an episode for that. Okay, good. PFT's here.

And the other night, I was on an edible, admittedly, and was thinking about bridges and was like, that'd be a good Twitter topic to just pop off. And lo and behold, I was right. People were just sending pictures of bridges. PFT and I got into a little bridge disagreement. It was beef. It's beef.

Bridge beef. The worst kind of beef. It was the bridge that you posted was just, it was mind-boggling to me because it didn't need to be a bridge. It's just a bridge that's overland. It's like, why did we have to incorporate, you know, thousands and thousands of man hours? and this probably spent millions of dollars to make a bridge. Best case scenario, you get on there.

And can you imagine getting on that bridge and not having filled up your tank of gas? And you're on there for hours? That's a really, that's a good point. No, there's like a bridge in Louisiana that's 20-something miles long. I mean, that's a big problem,

especially right now. I disagree with you. We're just going to be cordial about this. It's not about us. It's about the bridges. Okay. Yeah, good point.

So we're going to be cordial about this. I think your take is fucking off. because any engineer would tell you, what is it called, Matt? The Milal Viaduct. Thank you, you French-speaking motherfucker. I love that bridge because it's an engineering masterpiece and it's good for the planet. If you don't like the planet, don't worry about it.

But what it does is shave at least an hour off your commute into Spain because we're in southern France. And think about all the people that are going into northern Spain from that area. They're driving cumulatively a lot less. And that's a lot less carbon. so it's not only beautiful, but it's good for the environment. Well, what if you have to pee on the bridge? Then do like Dave Matthews band did.

He just dumps shit onto all the poor people from Andorra. That's all the country of Andorra is right underneath that bridge. They're just dumping all their excrement onto them. No, they're not poor. They live in southern France. Dude, if you're poor in southern France, that's like living in Manhattan, dude. For any, like, it's just the quality of life is so great. You're as rich as the richest guy in Manhattan.

and you could be a poor guy in Southern France. The only thing that sucks is you got to look up at that bridge. Yeah, so I guess it speaks to something a little bit deeper in me that I just don't like bridges in general. I'm not a fan. I don't like looking at them. I don't like driving over them. Now,

I'm okay with looking at pictures of bridges sometimes, but there's something about a giant structure in general. And I do have like a deep-seated fear of heights. But if I look at like a big-ass bridge, I start to get sweaty. I get like nervous. It's, I don't know what it is, but I just, I'm not a fan of bridge. I'm a land guy.

All bridges, all bridges sway, too. So, like, when you have to stop, if you're ever in traffic on a bridge, like, the George Washington Brig in New York is the, if you ever have dead stop traffic on that and you actually realize, hey, this bridge is moving, swaying back and forth, it actually gets very, very scary. Hey, bro. We're not even talking about tunnels. Like, you're afraid on a bridge? What are you doing a tunnel in a fucking traffic jam?

That's a whole different story. I've seen too many movies. I'd rather be on a bridge. I love bridges, admittedly. I had the worst panic attack of my life on a bridge though. But I was coming back. But it was, yeah, because you know you can't get off and everything. But it was also the fact that it was Atlantic City, no shade.

And we were out at like revel all night. And like this was in the cigarette smoking Jack Daniel's days. And I was stuck with one of those hangovers on the way to the airport in Philly on one of their beautiful bridges. It's a gorgeous bridge, but we couldn't get off. And I had a terrible panic attack. And I'm glad you said, you don't like bridges because I didn't prepare for this segment. Like, I invited you on under the guys of talking about bridges and fully intended upon us talking about bridges for about 30 minutes.

But then I just fucking did a bunch of other stuff the last two days. That's fine. I get it. But I do want to talk about bridges. It's interesting that you brought up that one bridge, leaving Atlantic City. that's the first time I had a panic attack was looking at that bridge I swear to God I was driving up

listen I was driving up from Charlottesville right I was growing up on a little trip with the lady at the time and we're going up to this bridge and I'm looking at it I just start to panic I start to just my hand sweat I look at it I'm like what if I drive off this bridge like what if the bridge collapses

I start thinking of like all the worst things that could possibly happen to me on this bridge and I have to start breathing deeply and I've never had that feeling before and it was that fucking bridge that gave it to me. Dude, my group of high school friends were all at that bachelor party. Anytime the song Lazy Day by Willie Nelson comes on,

they think about that time because I had to I had to open all the windows and turn on Lazy Day to feel good. And then when I got to the airport, I legitimately hit in the bathroom for 20 minutes. That's how bad the panic attack was. I couldn't even come out, dude. So I'm with you and I'm constantly thinking about when I pull up to a bridge.

What's the exit? strategy, but all beautiful things are also dangerous, dude. And that's the same is true for bridges. So like, yeah, you got to think a little bit about do I roll the windows down a little bit, you know, like let some water in, you know, because you see in the movies, you don't want all the water to come in, you want some of the water to come in. Do I open my door a little bit? Like, what do I do? Never open your door. Is my seatbelt on? Opening your door is the worst. Yeah, you never open your door. Good. Do I have one of those

things that, you know, 27-year-old women get from their dads at Christmas that break the and never have one of those. So, yeah, the thought is there. Let's keep it positive. I'll give you a couple. Okay.

New River Gorge Bridge. It's gorgeous. Aply named. Yeah, I do like that one. I'm terrified of it, but it's a beautiful bridge, for sure. Floated under it. It's gorgeous. Rainbow Bridge and Bridge City.

some you know one of the listeners sent in a a picture of this gorgeous bridge is kind of like a fucking it's like you know too straight how do I describe this bridge Matt marvelous feat of engineering it's too big hell in the Louvre to be honest okay here we go yeah are you guys anti hanging in the Louvre guys too we'll get to that so it's basically rainbow bridge is two big hills that meet in the middle and you got to drive up the hill and down the hill unless I'm seeing it when it's like in draw bridge mode yeah uh if that's the case and take it off the list it's a through trust bridge a special type of bridge yep i also through trust you know your bridges and i also like uh a bridge that's coming in the future the bridge uh

the bearing straight bridge that's going to come in the near future yeah it's not it's not it hasn't dropped yet oh so you're just anticipate it might be a big disappointment might be like drake's album dude What? It might be like Ah, anyways, never mind. I couldn't let you finish with it. I had the same fucking thought.

I'm just not into that, facts. The disco music. You're not? The disco music. Bro, I was on the beach when it dropped at a high-price hotel and it was right on the money the entire trip.

The entire trip. I knew you were in South Beach and I was like, if anybody likes this right now, it's Nate. You know I did. All right. And then lastly, the Dan Yang

Kun Shan Grand Bridge which is the world's longest bridge at 102 miles I just like it because it's got to be terrifying to be on that bridge so if you're on that bridge you're like a fucking wingsuit guy that's too long you got balls if you cross

that bridge but like what happens if you break down like what happens? It's a train bridge oh now imagine being on a like that's even worse imagine where is this I don't want to be it's in China rough parallel to the Yang Z river. Of course. Imagine you're in one of these fucking Chinese train cars, which looks super sterile.

And you're the only person on the train. It's nighttime. Or daytime. And you're just driving 102 miles on a train, dude. And it's just water. Man, I'm telling you, like, nighttime I would be fine with. During the day, when you, like, look over the edge and you're going super fast, that shit scares me.

And that's my fear of heights. I went on a trip to Ecuador like 10 years ago. By the way, if you've never been to Ecuador, put that on your short list, Galapagos Islands. Oh, yeah? Is that where the Galapagos Islands are? It's the coolest place on Earth by far. It's my favorite.

I want to go back there for every vacation that I take. A lot of biodiversity there. Tons. Well, yeah, a lot of biodiversity. A lot of species that are endemic to the islands, not just native. So they're only found on those islands. So the like sea lions and shit will come right up to you. it's amazing you can go I was snorkeling in a sea line just like came to me and

tried to play fetch with me using a sea cucumber like in the water it would bring me a sea cucumber and would like drop it for me and then it would wait for me to throw it but I couldn't get it under the water so it would go fetch it and bring it back just breathtaking stuff to say nothing of the tortoises were you on what were you you were you macro dosing or microdosing at this well yeah no I got there I took a giant giant mug of ayahuasca so it's quite possibly I just hallucinated the entire trip and it never happened. But this sea lion was very friendly to me. You got any bridges you want to hit before we talk about a human sea lion,

Rob Broncosky? Yeah. I'm a big fan of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. That's more of a, you know, it's personal to me. It's nostalgic. Yeah, I grew up rooting for that bridge. So my dad rude for that bridge. I'm a fan of that bridge too.

The Chesapeake Tunnel is actually pretty cool. If you go from the eastern shore of Virginia and you go down to like Norfolk Newport News area. To get there, you're on a bridge, but it actually goes underneath the water at one point, like from a bridge. It's crazy. Yeah, it looks like it just enters like the earth. It just like is that the picture that somebody sent that in the end. That's super cool. Yeah.

Like you, you probably went to King's Dominion a lot when you were a kid, right? I promise you. I didn't, dude. I never went to King's Dominion. That was like my family. Never went to Monichello. Never went to Kings of the Union. We used to get into a van.

with my cousins and my aunt and drive all the way down. And we used to stay at the beach, and we would take a day from the beach to go to King's Dominion. Never been on a roller coaster. You remember the Anaconda ride there? I've heard of it. I was scared when the other kids would talk about it. Yeah, so the Anaconda is like the Chesapeake Bay Bridge tunnel that goes like underneath

the water real quick. But you've never been on a roller coaster? He's like, I didn't know what to let that go. Space Mountain count? Yeah. Oh, okay, I've been in Space Mountain. That's it. But you've never been in like six flags.

I've never been on like a proper outdoor roller coaster. No way. Promise you, dude. Wow. Yeah, dude. Never. The Tacoma Bridge. Do you know about the Tacoma Narrows Bridge?

Let me look it up. So look up the video of that thing because this is what really freaks me out about bridges. The bridge collapsed on itself and it started swaying side to side and got in such a frequency. I forget the name of the physical phenomenon that bridge can. fall into, but they start swaying with each other. And then the swing like makes the other side of it sway more and more and more. Sympical force. And then it just straight up collapses.

Well, the problem here is the, I'm seeing the depth of the stiffening girders is eight feet. Oh, that's not nearly deep enough. You're telling me, buddy. I've seen a bridge or two. Look at the video. It's crazy. Okay, I'm watching. The wind started blowing it one day.

Oh, my God. Yeah, I've seen this. I've seen this GIF. like when you're stopped on a bridge that's honestly like you couldn't tell me that's not what it's doing yeah yeah it just breaks then the entire bridge just collapsed there have been bridges that have had cars on them

where it collapses and people die but I don't think that was one of them I am a big fan of draw bridges though I like a good drawbridge I love draw bridges and then I love when like tugboats going to the draw bridge like and you like yeah we didn't need to have that open for you buddy I was just so and when you're in Florida anywhere in South Florida

when you're near the beach to get to the highway you have to go over one of those drawbridges and this past weekend like I was waiting out of drawbridge for probably 25 minutes caught two lights waiting for it yeah and just to watch a little sailboat go through and you're like this is why everyone this is the track for lauderdale has the same problem all right so when I walk underneath the doorframe and I duck my head I'm like yeah I don't want to bump that yeah exactly it's the same energy which is okay so that one same energy you've been talking about phrases you don't like on macrodosing that's one that I don't like same energy keep that same energy yeah let's get let's not

keep that same energy we lose that energy what about I don't know about that one chief that one back no I like that one because there's like a gift that goes with it where there's this like anime guy and he's like I don't know about that one chief yeah you know like if you pair that with the gift I'm okay with it hey um gronk one of our favorites has retired quote unquote do you believe him pfd no i think i think i think bronch's just like i don't feel like going to work today that's it's the new sick day retirement in the NFL he yeah gronk is a big fan of professional wrestling he treats he treats his life like w w and there's nothing more pro wrestling

than being like okay i'm retiring and coming back like three weeks later be like okay i'm going to break my retirement match you know if it's a ladder match against the undertaker then yeah i'll come back Yeah. So Gronk is going to come back. If not like week one, he'll probably be back like November. Yeah. I think he's just skipping camp in all honesty. I think there's a money issue. So it had me thinking, what is Gronk's shining moment? What's your favorite personal Gronk moment? Because I was like going down a rabbit hole. There's moments that are so good. I forgot them. You know, like, so many good moments. I'm like, holy shit, this, anybody else would have been fired and and canceled. Six times now.

Some of these YouTube moments I'm seeing. Yeah, my favorite gronk moment. I liked when, didn't he like bring Danny Amandola into his giant coat and give him like a giant warm hug? Oh, what was it like a revenant situation? Yeah, it was like a revenant situation at one point.

I remember it's actually against my beloved at the time, Washington Redskins, now commanders, formerly football team. Or whatever you want to say is representative from Utah said. Yes, exactly. I remember there was one play that he had where he broke like three tackles. And the last tackle that he broke was Ryan Carrigan.

And Ryan Carrigan is bigger than Granc. Or he weighs more than Gromk. And he's a strong dude. And this was like prime Ryan Carrigan. Yeah. And he had him from behind and was grabbing his jersey and trying to just sit down with Grom. Yeah, dude.

And Gromk just carried him into the end zone like a sled dog. Yeah. Like he pulled him like he was a weight sled into the end zone. And I was like, well, there's nothing. There's absolutely nothing that can be done. That's why he's, he like, I always say this when I went up New England for camp. I was like, oh, what's Tom Brady going to look like in practice? Obviously handsome, but is it going to be like, damn, dude, this is the greatest football player of all time.

And he was, but like maybe the most incredible sight I've ever seen on a football field is Rob Grunkowski. Like just a spectacle. Overall size and stature. Man, the way he runs. Like, it's just he's so. nimble but violent in all his movements. Like it looks like it hurts to run, but he covers so much ground and is such an amazing athlete. You know, like everything about his game, there was nothing subtle about it, but he was so skilled at the same time. So when I'm asked the greatest of all

time at that position is Rob, because no position has changed more than tight end, right? Like, now they're not even expecting guys outside like George Kittle and a few guys to inline block. I mean, I know that some tight ends would say that's probably a stereotype, but he did both. So the guys that you're comparing him to, Kelsey, you know, Gonzalez, I respect the hell out of their games, their top three players all time at their positions. But Gronk is the greatest. It's disrespectful for you to say that tight ends don't appreciate blocking, though. On the week of tight end university. It is T.

It's Pride week for tight end right now. It is. It is. This is their week. And I don't want to take it away from them. So Matt, maybe move that to like next week's show. But if it stays in, no big deal. I don't want to be too hard. Because you hear, like, anytime a tight end is not really a blocker,

you always hear the same sound bite from them or from announcers talking about them. They always say like, this guy, you know, he takes a lot of pride in his blocking. People think of him as a past catcher. He's pride. He's out there working on it. But what about the opposite? What about the tight ends that's just blocked? I love those guys.

That's my. Mercedes-Lewis. That's my era of football player. Mercedes-Louis, who, by the way, is going to maybe play 17 years or whatever. I don't know what year. Like, that's insane. To think about a blocking, tight-in lasting that long in today's game, it's because not only of his work ethic and how awesome he is,

but also because the position has changed so much that it makes him like an enormous commodity. Like, there's only a couple of him left. So, you know, you get the leadership and you get that. Anyways, I love the Joe Klein saucers of the world. Yeah, I was going to say who is like, Obviously, Mercedes is, he's got to be up there in like the top three of best all-time blocking tight ends. I just think of Todd Yoder when I think of a blowing tight end.

Like a guy like super smart. Sounds like a blocking tight end too, dude. Like, looks like he's never run a step in his life. Yeah, exactly. He's wearing cement shoes, but he's always like getting himself in the way of somebody. Well, that's, that, that was an era where they were asked to block 290 pound left ends. It was just not, it's not the same as it was. And you know who's just while we're here because you're a Washington fan?

remember Chris Cooley? I loved Chris Cooley. He was great. Hard to tackle. Hard to tackle. He was shifty and a great personality. I wonder what the fuck he's doing now. What about, yeah, it did seem like Chris Cooley had a leg up on the new media, right? When he was still playing in the league, he was all over the place. And then afterwards he went, I think he went to like Dan Snyder's personal station. And so Dan like keeps him on a leash there.

So he doesn't really do much. But he seemed like he was going to be a dude that would be like all over national media for the next 20 years. Is it safe to say Chris Cooley walks so Kevin Durant could run? Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. It's so fair, dude. Now, in terms of, you were talking about, like, Rob being a unique specimen. Yeah.

On the football field, you've never seen anybody like that. Here's a name I would actually physically compared to Rob Grancowski. Martellus Bennett. Yeah. Oh, yes. Yeah. That guy. Bennett was a beast.

He could do everything, dude. Yeah, he was. He was. Marty. Marty was like a tackle playing tight end, but with, the agility of a tight end. Basketball player. Like that and very.

He's like a bat like everything in the sense of basketball body like stature moves like doesn't really move like a football player moves like like a basketball. Yeah, but not finesse, but not finesse. Not the negative stereotype of basketball players like we had this way. No, running through the contact, running through contact, inviting contact and just a huge range for catching. Fucking funny do. Yeah.

So funny to play with. Yeah, shout out to Marty. That's a great poll. My favorite gronk moment was probably the last time he retired when I went on my dad's show with Terry and those guys. And you're like, imagine going to your production meeting. They're like, you got gronk today. Oh, now thinking about it, this is the second time he's done this.

Yes, dude. So yeah. Using the retirement. Yes, Brady's going to lead the league in rings. He's going to lead the league in retirements. Like, I'd love to see him set that record. But gronk in a turtleneck and a sport coat, which is like the maniacal CEO fit. Yeah, which is so ironic with Granc.

You know, like, I thought he'd probably have like a TED talkier piece, but he was up there in the middle with my dad and Terry and those guys and just watching them try to analyze stuff with Gronk, like not saying he's bad at it, but it's like wrestling an alligator. And I just watched my dad squirm and laugh and like, you know, like try to get a point in. He told, he told the story about how he almost got traded to the lions. I don't know if you've ever heard that story. Yeah.

But that was sitting right next to my dad. And the whole time I'm watching, I think I was just so fucking nervous for my, dad. You know what I mean? That's the most paternal I've ever felt about my dad is when he was in the pool with Grog. Yeah, there was another moment. I think it was the same day where he was talking about Edelman. And he was like, Julian Edelman's a little squirrel. I guarantee you he's going to get that nut. Yes, dude. Yes. It's the way he like finished. Like you just like landed the plane on these jokes and stuff. And just watching the guys, he was like the lions called. He said, I'm retired. And I said, I'm been retired and I hung up and he just started laughing and everybody was like all right

what's the end of the story yeah yeah like that is the end of the story gronk is done with the story dude one quick question before we get to beach code breaks uh pf t billy football is he's been insubordinate he's he's on leave i don't know the nature of the leave but i saw you were talking to ryan rsillo about this he got suspended we we sussied him he got a one one month suspension from part of my take and from macrodosa So I'm not trying to dry snitch on the kid here. My favorite Billy content is the nature content. I'm here for the nature content.

The blogs are great too, I'm sure. But somebody sent me a screenshot of a blog with a list of things he's going to do this month. And one of them he said Chris Long's green light, which is like green light with Chris Long, Billy. But he's going to come on my pod. He has, I don't know if this is a threat or an invitation. He's invited himself. It's like a hit list that he's got. He's like,

We're on the hit list. Like the San Diego Zoo and my podcast is kind of how this list is. But he says he's going to come to town physically and come on the podcast. Will you treat us like Afghanistan if he's like you're Osama bin Laden? Are we harboring him if we have Billy football in the pod? No. No, you can have him. You can have him.

In this analogy, we're Saudi Arabia. Okay. and you're Afghanistan. He's excommunicated from our family. Don't worry about him. No, he can go over there. We might bring him back at some point. Who knows?

No, I do know. We will bring him back. Billy's got a one month sussie. Now, I am curious, though, did you offer for him to come on the podcast? Or was he just like saying? So months. Months ago. No, months ago, because it's no secret.

I'm enamored with the kid. I think he's got a lot of talent. But if some of the things that Dan and you were saying are true, like he needs to realize he's got a great, great gig here. You know, like, shape up Billy. But he's the fucking greatest. And I had, uh, through Dan, I got permission from Dan. I was like, can I reach out to your guy to see about Billy coming on talking some wildlife or something? And then he got too busy with macrodosing and all that stuff.

So, uh, shout out to Billy. If you come in town, uh, nobody's going to kill me. Like Navy SEALs aren't going to bust into Studio J. All right. But, like, I don't know. But Philly also has to work. So I don't know if he has permission to just go on a vacation to central Virginia. What happens in the hallway if somebody's suspended from your show?

No, we can interact with him outside these walls. He's just not allowed to use part of my take or macrodosing to get any of his takes off. He needs to learn that being on those shows is a privilege for him. Yeah, it's a privy. The way that he got onto macrodosing actually was, like I was telling Big Cat, hey, me and Arian are about to do this podcast. And I explained to what it was going to be about. And Billy was in the room.

We're going to do the first show the next day. And Billy goes, oh, my God, can I be like the Jamie from the Joe Rogan show for your podcast? I just want to, I don't even have to be on it. I can just sit there and Google stuff and tell you guys. And then slowly he crept on and he was a natural fit on that show. But some of the stuff that he's been doing, it's natural, I think, for most 23-year-olds. But Billy's not most 23-year-olds. He's got like a big megaphone.

He's got a great platform right now. So he needs to just not, all he has to do is show up to work and not be drunk at work. That's pretty much it. Got it. All right. So let's talk about beach code breaks. I'm going to the beach this afternoon. You know, if the weather holds, I'm going to be in Ocean City for the weekend with my in-laws.

So I'm not a beach guy. We do code breaks here. I don't know all the etiquettes. So I had the guys ring up a couple of beach codes and we can rule on whether their breaks or not. All right. First Beach code, um, destroying an abandoned sandcastle. Is that a violation? No. No, it's not a violation. The kids are gone. The kids are gone. Now, some other kid might want to play with the same castle too. So like, what's the point of destroying it actually? Oh, you can pretend you're Godzilla.

That's kind of cool. Yeah, I think that if you're above the age of, of 30 and you're destroying an abandoned sandcastle, though, there's probably some rage issues. Yeah. that you should address. That's really the concern. I don't think it's a problem. Like you can destroy that castle, no problem. It's like 6.30 at night. The sun's going down.

The kids have long since abandoned this castle. Yeah, it's not going to hurt anybody's feelings, but it's just concern. I'm worried about the person who would be doing something like that. It's the canary in the coal mine. That's like watching someone from your window just destroy a snowman for no reason. Yeah, I'm putting that guy on a watch list. I'm calling maybe not the authorities,

but like the people that could direct services to this. guy. It is satisfying to watch the saying Castle fall down, though, isn't it? But wouldn't it suck, though, if someone put, like, someone like me, like, if you put, like, a little stick or something in there for someone like you and you step on it with no shoes on the beach? Like a, like a psycho

trap. That's pretty good, fact. That's, that's an even crazier mentality than the guy that's destroying, but you're thinking one step ahead. Okay. Like, I want to, I want to hurt someone. Yeah. If someone wants to destroy this, they're going to pay for it instantly. I'll just say this. My ruling is that you might not be

breaking the code of the beach, but you are breaking God's code. Maybe. Okay. Nice. All right. Let's say somebody's walking their dog down the beach. The dog poops and they flick the poop into the ocean. Is that a code break? Oh my God. That's a big code brown.

Code brown. Yeah. That's a code brown is what that is. That's a big code break, man. Might need to go get the lifeguard on that one. Tell it, get this person off the beach. You know how big the ocean is though? It is big. It's pretty fucking.

big. Fish poop in there all the time. But yeah, like, I don't know that it's a code break. I'm on the edge, but it's disgusting. I would judge somebody. I'd be like, you're lazy. Especially these dog people. You know you've got to have bags. If you have a dog, you got to have bags,

dude. Unless you have a backyard dog, which I have, you got to have bags, man. Plastic bags on the beach it's not really that good. Kill a sea turtle with that thing. Yeah, I know. You got to stay strapped with bags. That's rule number one of having dogs. My biggest problem isn't the shit going into the ocean. It's

not picking up the shit in the first place. That would be an issue for me. Have you ever taken an aqua dump though? Have you ever pooped in the ocean? No, I have a close friend that's pooped in a lake right near me. That's bad. Pooping in a lake is bad. Pooping in the ocean is, that's okay.

That's clean. You've done an aqua dump? I did it one time. Yeah, the Outer Banks, killed Hill's North Carolina. I did shit on an island on Flathead Lake last year. It's definitely, but it's decomposed by now. So like, don't worry about it.

Thank God. I've never had this shit outside. Yeah. I didn't really have to shit. I wanted to shit. I wanted to check that one off my list. That's good. All right.

Wearing sneakers on the beach. Code break. I think it's a code break. And it's something I would do because I'm a noob. You know, like I don't. You got to be smart. You got to be like me. Have your little five finger vibrooms.

Yeah. Those aren't sneakers. You think the vibrums. People would think you're some yoga guy that fucks everybody's girlfriend. No. They came in handy because, yo, the sand in Florida right now is hot as shit. You can't walk. He goes to nude beaches.

What if I wore sneakers on the beach at a nude beach? Bro, whatever you want to do, man, whatever flows your boat. I stumbled upon a nude beach one time here in New York. True story. This is like the summer after I moved up here or the summer that I moved up here, I just like Googled beaches. And so I went there with a friend for the day. and we go out there and it's it's like the school bus that picks you up at a dock and then drives you to a beach.

Everybody's getting off the school bus at this one place. Right. So we get off. We start walking up to the beach. And then there's this giant sign that we see that says you will encounter new sunbaters. At this point. And we're like, well, it took us like an hour and a half to get here. I guess there's going to be some topless chicks, whatever, it might be like Spain.

So you figure, okay, let's go. We walk past the sign. we make our way down to the beach and there's a volleyball court out there and playing volleyball, it's a very well-organized game of two sides of six and everybody involved is over the age of 60.

I saw that in top gun. They're wearing knee braces and like compression sleeves and nothing else. And that's it. Playing volleyball. And so then we just kind of stayed on the beach for the rest of the day and we're like, I guess we're just going to be at a nude beach today. You know, the people of the nude beach are controlling the swell.

in their joints. Yeah. Usually a lot more space on the news beach. I'm telling you, it's a good time, man. I cannot believe it. I really need to hit a nude beach. I feel like such a verge pie right now, dude. There's three people on here, and I'm the one that's not seeing a dick on the beach.

There's some bros that were sitting next to us at the beach. There's like nude bros. They were tossing the football around, making diving catches. It's just completely naked, going dick down into the sand. We had dudes in front of us playing like, what is it called? The paddle ball, like, I guess you're playing the beach. Kadima, but like they were like being very aggressive, like hitting this ball back and forth to each other. Make it.

Yeah. A lot of balls. Come on now. Hitting golf balls into the ocean. Yeah, that's a code break. You're littering. What makes a golf ball not trash, dude? It's not biodegradable.

It's pretty cool, though. Oh, my God. It's no different than what you call. Think about what's the different? between like fishermen losing loavers and things like that in the water. I think that's a code break too. But I mean, it happens.

Have you ever seen, have you ever tried it? Because it looks like it would be awesome. That's what you do that at a friend's like pond or something. I don't know. And my dad will like, he's breaking a code, but he lets,

there's a neighbor kid on the lake that he pays to get golf balls for him. And he'll like chip a couple, Kyle will chip a couple in a lake and this kid will snorkel. But I think if you're a pretty, putting into the ocean like where there's like sea turtles and shit i i think that's a code break that's a fire that's a fire summer job how is he you know that's a fire summer job how is so rich with that fox money that he's like that fox money man that he's like go go retrieve like

his his well it's not it's like a it's like a nine year old it's a nine year old kid dude he's he's cheaper to employ than billy football all right Hey, will you pass our regards in the hallway to Billy and tell him permission was granted? Yeah. Okay. I will. But I need assurances on your part that when he gets to you guys, he's not allowed to get drunk. Because if you give him permission to drink any beers, I'm talking even like one or two beers,

he's just going to hang out for the rest of the day, drink 20 beers, and then pass out and miss work the next. Could I give him the devil's lettuce? He won't smoke. He's too straight edge. He definitely too straight edge, dude. He'll drink 70 beers in a weekend. But if you offer him like a puff of, like just half a joint,

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And we talked about on the pod last week. And we talked about the- They lost their watches. Tom got his watch found. Yeah, but we talked about having a chance of like if the watch could be found. And me being optimistic when I was out there, I'm like, yo, like, if I was over there, like I probably could see it or find it and you were just like no dude it's gone your watch was black yeah yeah but tom's watch was red i know but i had said also like i could find at the very least

i thought that i was like yo tom's watch is red we can probably see his watch yes yes you being the guy you are yeah saying no it's gone well yeah like we weren't going to get it that day dude we were on mushrooms we couldn't even i know i understand trying to communicate but but it's just about the It's just about the thought. We're going to find two Apple Watches. What do I look like? So, lo and behold, I get a text message in a group chat where someone found Tom's watch and I guess seeing the last call and it happened to be from his wife and they contacted the wife

and texted him and say, we found your Apple Watch. Just like the commercials. And just like the commercials. And no one found mine, though. And I'm very upset about that. I went and bought another one already, but it would be nice to have my Apple Watch back. I have two questions.

How did the watch come off? Because you have a strap on the Apple Watch. Did you take the watch off? This is, here's the road. I was peer-pressured into jumping into the river. Was not peer-pressured. After 20 minutes of me saying I was not, and I made my mind up of not jumping in the river.

One of the reasons I didn't want to is because I was worried about my watch. Right. After telling Tom, hey, don't jump into the river with your watch on. You might lose it. Guess what I did. I jumped into the river with my watch on right after Tom, who also jumped into the river with his watch. The encouraging thing here is your watch is black.

Nobody's probably seen it. If you think it's there, let's go back and find it. Anybody who floats the Warren to Hat and Ferry route on the James. You got, no, we need to do. I'm trying to put a fucking A, I'm trying to put up a missing poster, and you're just swiping the stapler out. Your dad has the guy. If the guy can find the golf balls, like, he probably can find the Apple Watch. No, this kid's like seven.

I'd have to pay for his airplane ticket and shit. Like, and then he has to like a guardian and stuff. And also, he's used to crystal clear glacial lake water. This is a totally different ballgame. And I'd like to know his, like, uh, golf. ball retrieval percentage. Like he's not getting

100% of the golf balls. There's no way. Hondo, he's chipping them so the kid has something to do. Well,

no, I'm sure he's great. I'm sure he's graded at it. But I'd like to know the shooting percentage. This is a very, they're also yellow and orange. So this is a very,

this is a very, we're making it easy on him. Yeah, like my dad is not, I'm not letting my dad fucking kill the lake with golf balls. I'm just not going to let dad do that.

And he doesn't want to do that. So anyways, it's like probably you know like the way y'all hit the ball when it's right off the green chip it up there it's like a chip shot dude it's like right off the dock and this kid gives him something to do them and if there's anything

my dad loves doing is like making kids happy and shit he's perfect you know the guy's just perfect you know I'd love to have a neighbor like Howie Long anybody would kids on my neighborhood get Chris Long and watch outside his boxer shorts get off my fucking lawn dude so

I would be tick-tokin the shit out of you if I was a kid. Well, fuck around and find out. Right. So I think the reason Reed is questioning how he's method is because I've learned that Reed hits golf balls in the ocean or has hit golfers. And I'm not judging because we've all done terrible things before. Aren't you a big like, aren't you a big environmental guy? It's one golf ball, one golf ball in the Atlantic Ocean like 10 years ago.

How many people live on the planet? How many people live in, you know how much damage that? A billion people. Eight billion people think just one golf ball. Right. Ten years ago, they would sea level would rise, dude. And all the turtles would die simultaneously.

What happens if an animal? But you know what it would create? It would create a space because all the golf balls were in the bottom of the ocean. A space for us to go. A big dome golf ball area because you could go deep enough in the golf balls and create a little habitat. Reed, you a contact eye on that one and why don't you go take your why don't you take your talents to the live tour at next bro okay this is crazy read kill sea turtles i like the way reid's brain is working

right now you want to get him in on a few more uh code break possibilities all right so i got a two part code break potentially part one setting up a tent on the beach a full covered tent and part two using said tent to fornicate so i'm gonna be the first to say that that that's not a co-break with obviously going to the naked beach guy going to the new beach frequently you will see tents but even at the regular beach you see

tents especially in Florida you need you need some type of cover down there dude if you're such a fucking free spirit why do you need the tent I see it on TV because that's illegal that's illegal that's illegal to do it just out of the open you got to be mindful of you got to you got to have some class

you got to be mindful of your Corn stars criminals? Beach guys. Beachgoers. You call them porn stars criminals? Is that what you're doing? If they're actively having sex around people who don't want to. Got it.

Got it. You know what I'm saying? Private beaches. Yeah. I think it is not a code break. All beachgoers know to avoid tents. It's either going to be a kid or a couple doing the deed. Just don't go near the tent.

So if I'm camping on the beach, I have to be having sex. Well, no, no, not camp. I'm saying like if you go to the, like you're going to the main, the main Virginia beach spot. Yeah. But if you go out to like you're camping on the beach, like people know you're like, yeah, you avoid it. Right, right. But yeah, you see the tent on the beach with all the families and stuff.

It's going to be a kid. A tent doesn't bother me. Yeah. I respect the setup. No problem. But control your tent. All right. Imagine it's a relatively crowded beach.

Is it a code break to smoke a cigar or smoke weed? No, this is the perfect place to smoke whatever you want to smoke because whatever I'm at the beach, it's windy as fuck. So what I usually do is, if I smell a cigarette at any point that means I had the green light to light up like whatever exactly like if I smell so like

I won't like I'm scared I'm not gonna lie I'll be scared to be the first yeah but at any moment if I even smell a cigarette and then if I could spot it where it is I'm just like okay I should not get any backlash when I light this blown up here's the deal I'm very consider you know this about me being like on the river with me and that's what thing like i do not like

when there's kids around if somebody's smoking marijuana outside like it happens because now there's more of a you know um kind of a but not cigarettes combining of spaces but not so much cigarettes i mean i don't smoke cigarettes so that's not my yard okay you know like my job is when i'm in a group and oh yeah yeah you know blah blah blah at least try to be respectful but if you're on a beach uh and there's no kids right around you and it's all us adults and I smell a cigarette I'm going Willie Nelson dude well I and don't say anything to me about it we're good we're all adults read no I agree I think that's fair yeah or what I do is if I think it's going to be a problem I'll try to walk behind the last person on the beach like where I feel like hey

yeah all the way back here yeah if someone wants to complain then they just want to complain and it's just whatever then but try to be respectful about it how about playing tackle football with your boys on the beach stop just stop doing that like stop dude that maybe it's because I play um and it's just like man why are you working why is this happening I think it's why are we doing this on the I don't know if it's me getting older but whenever I see people playing like tackle football on the beach. I just want to go over and like, and just like ask them like, do you know how badly hurt you guys

can get like doing this? Like you guys don't want to like potentially tear your ACL, your Achilles. You don't want to do that. You guys probably have regular jobs. You know what CT I've seen handed out on the beach? Like so much. All those all those like one V ones. Yeah.

Oklahoma drinks. Oh my goodness. Those are like I'm not surprised. I'm surprised. A lot of these kids might not have insurance. any of that dude any of that stuff and it's just for what it's for like 10 minutes of spring break for bro how about you try to go and i you know i suppose some of these folks are about to go go get a job and whatever but if you limp into your job with an ACL and you try to you know like have your

insurance cover that like it probably doesn't cover beach football it doesn't cover no way going viral uh getting suplexed by like an aggressive girl on spring break or like can i give you when you're at the beach, can I give you like five frisbys? And if you see football happening, can you walk out and grab the football and say, stop it? Just do this. Just do this. Yeah.

Sure. Yeah. Good. All right. Yeah. I just, that football thing. Frisbee might be a cold break.

Uh, the beach? Yep. Why? How so? Because frisbys are like, not a lot of people know what to do with frisbys. And I feel like, there's only, there's only two things to do with a frisbee. I mean, for control-wise. I mean, for control-wise.

You know what? And the win. The win. There are some unskilled frisbee dudes, man. You know, and you could strike somebody with frisbee. I think the frisbee game might be more dangerous than the football game in some ways for the people around the game. True. The people that go in that football game, they're entering at their own risk.

I'm not saying your losers or anything. I'm just saying like, man, it just seems like an unnecessary risk out there. That's right. Yeah. Stay safe. How about feeding the seagulls? Fuck no, dude. Yeah.

Don't feed the, feed the, it brings everything around. feed the seagulls. No, I'm sure, like, I would cringe if Paul Nicklin was listening. I'm sure seagulls have a lot to do with, you know, like the whole ecosystem. But when I feed him Alka-Seltzer. Right. If you're going to feed him something, feed him Alka-Seltzer. What does that do?

Makes him explode. I don't like seagles. Dude, I'm petrified of seagles. If you're on the beach with me, I have a friend shout Napoli. And congratulations, Naps. he when I'd go down to Florida and I'd be on the beach and he'd be on the beach with me he would run after me with like bread and shit because you know that like the seagulls chase you do it's like an Alfred Hitchcock thing for me man I really don't like these fuckers so yeah like don't feed them mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine yeah no code break you guys agree on that one yes oh good

big time big time I got a cold break okay not disclosing that you either can't swim or you're not a good swimmer. That's a code break. Yeah, don't do that, man. I'll never understand why you wouldn't tell people if you can't swim. Like,

you know, there's nothing. I understand, like, I understand that it might be uncomfortable for you to say, hey, I don't swim well, but you know what's more uncomfortable than that,

drowning in front of your friends. That's right. So, like, try to just make that abundantly. And springing a, survival, a rescue on them. Like, oh, hey, I can't swim, help me, I'm drowning. And then everyone's like,

oh, the vibe is ruined because we have to go save our friend who did not this close. What an opportunity to be a hero, but also what a hassle. Right. So I'm in Maui. Easily avoidable. Yeah. So I'm in Maui for my sister's wedding. And at the resort that she's getting married at, they have a pool that goes

into the water. One of my sister's friends that is attending the wedding. He is a Boston police officer and he proceeded to get on line for the slide and slide into the water into the deep end and he doesn't know how to swim. So one of his fellow like police officers had to do, like you said, that, that rescue had to jump in and grab him while like he was a little drinking.

We have all been drinking having a good time. but I think in that moment he like truly forgot that he didn't know how to swim and I don't think that enough people in the group knew yeah that he couldn't swim yeah you need to wear a t-shirt like when you're chilling in a pool you're not like you're usually not just in the deep end you're in the like you're in the end where you can stand you're drinking that's right that's hanging out so like if someone can't swim you can't really tell that way so it's It was a shock and it's just funny thinking about it now. So that's a code break.

Yeah, it's a huge code break, especially how about being a police officer not being able to swim? I know we were just talking about this, but like, you know, I kind of think that's a prerequisite. I think it's a prerequisite. You probably should be able to swim. But why, though? Like, I think about it. Like, you said you were like, you were like, it's usually a lifeguard's job. I'm like, yeah, well, if the car goes over the Ben Franklin Bridge, you know, it's probably too high a bridge.

But like say there's a search and rescue thing, like an immediate, let's save this fucking person. They don't like blow a whistle like on the side of the pool. Like the police officers and some other, you know, like motherfuckers need to get in there and save the dude. You know, keep that window open. Keep that window partially open. If you know how to swim. Yeah. But if you don't know how to swim, you're not jumping in water.

You usually don't think you would do it. You better be a police officer in the desert. You can't be a police officer in Minnesota. You know why? Land of a thousand lakes. 10,000. 10,000? There's 10,000 there? Yeah.

Golly, dude. Yeah, law enforcement, everybody's got to be Michael Phelps. So anyways, that's a lot of code breaks. But yeah, I'll try to keep those in mind on the beach this weekend. And I will be near Philly. So, you know, like this is poetic. Brian Westbrook coming on to give us his Mount Rushmore. How do you think he's going to feel about my Nick Fulieck?

Pauls. Brian came from a different era, so he might be able to lend, you know, a different perspective. A very different perspective. For the record, before this segment, I think McNabs was a better football player than Nick Foles. But so were so many defensive ends in Philly. And a bunch of people, you know, like, they like that Super Bowl team. So, you know, as much I want to be like, don't get my autograph, go get Trent Coles or whatever. Like, we got lucky, dude, and that's part of it.

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And Eagles Twitter will go absolutely crazy. Dude, it's so funny because when I saw it, I was like, oh, good. That's 20 minutes of content tomorrow. Like, you're in the business. You know how this goes. I'm like, thank you, Elliot. I don't think you really meant that list. I mean, Elliot, he had Dawkins, Howie Roseman.

He had Andy Reed. And then McNabb. I mean, I think the Howie thing is what had people up in arms there. If you're going to put Howie on there, let's put the coach on there, put half a Joe Douglas' face on there. How does your list look? Did you do? Because I feel like everybody at least had a pencil and paper and they were jotting it down

on their own. Well, let's first talk about Elias list. I mean, you got a coach on there and you have a GM. I mean, come on. I mean, that's cool. And that's a whole separate section. They never just the field for the Eagles. That's the point.

I'm like, listen, that's a whole different section. Don't put the coaches on a mile rush more. And Andy didn't win a championship. in Philadelphia. So that's a whole different thing. But, you know, Mount Rushmore is pretty simple. You start with Rensin. Obviously, you know, the Minister of Defense, one of the best D-Lyman had ever played the game. He's certainly a staple in Philadelphia, passion, desire, all that other stuff he was able to bring to Philadelphia.

You start there. Then I got to go to Doc. I mean, Doc is obviously a Hall of Famer. When you talk about the with the city brains hard work the grind I want to hit you in your mouth I want to punch you again and again and again

I want to flip you over I want to suplex you when I tackle you Doc said to me one time he said listen I play with the passion that the fans in the stands would have if they could put on a jersey

and shoulder pads in the helmet I play with that every day and I'm like and when he said it you know you get those cold chills in your body I got that and I almost just got I just got them. I was kind of,

Nate, if you play at the link, you'd really get those chills. That is like a different environment, man. And Doc, yeah, encapsulated that.

Doc was one of those dudes. You know, this may be debatable, but when you talk about guys that played in Philadelphia, you have to mention this dude. Hall of Famer, Harold Carmichael.

Yeah. Six, seven. He played in a time where, you know, They wasn't throwing passes like they're throwing now. But just imagine being 6-7 a running around a bunch of guys that are 6-1, maybe. But, you know, his career, the highlights, the numbers speak for themselves. The things that he was able to do in the football field at that size were amazing.

So for me, he has to be on there. I think when you talk about football, you talk about, again, passion, talk about Philadelphia, you have to mention concrete Charlie, Chuck Vendarick. I mean, being able to play in a league at his size, and he wasn't. big guy and they weren't huge guys at that time. But he played offense and defense. Come on, man. It's just not. It's just not.

Who's doing that playing middle linebacker and center? Obviously, we haven't seen anyone do that in a very long time. But what he's able to do, what he was able to do, or a long time ago, I think was special. Last but not least, and I think this one is controversial.

What's controversial about this thing is you're putting a fifth face on Mount Rushmore. I know, I know. I know. This is my. This is my damn list on me. Hey, if you're Brian fucking Westbrook and some people have you on that Mount Rushmore, he could sketch another face. Dude, you can go just carve another face out of rock.

Exactly. This is my last one. This is so good. Jonathan McNabb. Listen, I was in Philadelphia. I was in Bill of Nova. You know that when Donovan got drafted. I knew what that team was.

The organization was all about prior to McNabb getting there. They just weren't very good. After, you know, Buddy Ryan and those defenses and Randall and those guys, there was a law there in Philadelphia where the team was not very good. Donovan gets drafted. Andy Reid obviously is there. And then we go on a run for 10 plus years where every single year it wasn't about making the playoffs. It's about getting home field advantage. It's about how good this team can be every single year.

And quite honestly, during that time, there just wasn't a bunch of teams that were saying every year, this is a playoff team. This is a Super Bowl caliber team. Donald Van McNab led that charge six pro bowls during that time super talented, carried the football team he's also on that list and I got a bunch of other guys that on the miniature, the junior

Mount Rushmore list but I mean if you start with those guys I don't know that you can go wrong You can't and that's the great thing about this exercise I put it out there you know like who should come on to discuss and of course I was looking for somebody to suggest somebody like Brian Westbrook joining us but everybody shared their list and all the lists

were so different which is cool which means there's a lot of depth in great players. And like if you're a record holder in Philly or if you've done something special in Philly, like you really have had to go up against a lot of great players that came before you to get those records and get that respect. So first I want to give our intern Maggie, who's got some Eagles ties.

She had her Eagles shirt on today. Of course, I walk into work today, give her 10 minutes warning and I'm like, hey, Brian Westbrook's coming on today. You've never spoken on the pod. Do you want to just give us your Eagles Mount Rushmore? So Maggie, she's stepping up. to the play. Maggie, what we got?

Okay, so I'm going to go Donovan McNabb and Brian Dawkins. Okay. Brian Dawkins had this speech, or I guess it was like a hype video a couple years ago that always gave me goosebumps. I think it was it was called like, it's time to work or something like that. He was probably there for it.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So we got McNabb, we've got Dawkins. Yeah, and then I'm going to go Malcolm Jenkins. I just think he's a cool guy, like, off the field too. So he was always one of my favorites and then Nick Foles because Super Bowl

and also he looks like Napoleon Dynamite. It does look like Napoleon Dynamite dude. And that's the thing about Nick Folles, Maggie Great List. Welcome to the pod officially. And there's some good ones on there. Malk's one that a lot of people put on there. I went and I actually texted

a friend to be like, where am I going to get killed on this thing? I was with you on Dawkins. I'm with you on Reggie White. And even though the Reggie White thing is interesting because a lot of people think of them as a packer outside Philly because of the Super Bowls and that sort of thing, but seven time all pro in eight years in Philly and my favorite part of Eagles history, you know, not just those teams that we just talked about, but like the early 90s teams, those old throwbacks, that D-Line, because I'm a D-Lyman, you know, whether it was Jerome, God rest of soul, or Mike Golick, who's a friend of the family,

or if it was Clyde Simmons, who was my D-Line coach, assistant D-Line coach. You got a guy with 120 career sacks, and he wasn't even the guy on that D-line. That's Reggie White, one of the greatest players to ever play the game. So Reggie White, I've got Dawkins, who I used to eat breakfast with. I mean, how cool is that? You go to play for the Eagles. You got Weapon X hanging out in the lunchroom every morning. I'm just like, so I've got those two.

I've got Nick Foles because they have a statue of Nick Foles. Like I know that I played with Nick. You play with McNabb. McNabb's the better quarterback, dude. But there's an element of this that's like, who's the most popular? Like that's the Mount Rushmore. It's like greatness and popularity. They actually built a statue.

He got to win that Super Bowl. I wish McNabb had won a Super Bowl because I think he was that good. And then last, I will go with Jason Kelsey. Because when you look at all pros, when you look at everything he did, and I know it's not a super heralded position that people think about a lot. Before all pros, he's been there for about a decade. He embodies everything that to me, Philly was about in my time. there. And you get the mummer's speech, the parade. So pretty interesting. Like our

eras slanted our list a little bit, but I can't argue with McNabb over Foles. He was the better player for longer. And Nick caught lightning in a bottle twice in Philly, really, once with the Super Bowl, once with that record setting season. I was going to get on Maggie because the Nick Foles. Now I would get on both you and Maggie. Yeah. Yeah. Give it to us. I love Nick. I love Nick. And I think it's just a great guy. And obviously, he was able to bring that championship that alluded my crew for a very long time to the city. When you talk about the best players, Mount Rushmore, Nick Folls will not be on that.

No, no. And you know what the other thing? I think if you didn't play with Nick, he wouldn't be on your Mount Rushmore either. I don't know. If I was a fan, if I grew up in Philly, maybe I'd go either way. But I think it's more about the definition of Mount Rushmore to me.

It's like the most famous players. Chuck Bed-Narick on your list. Chuck Bed-Narick's not as good as the guys I mentioned. No offense. Chuck Bednerick, the time was different, in my opinion. You know what I mean? In the time that he played? Yes, but I'm talking about like football now, dude. Like if we were to be like, yeah, you know what I mean? So it's just all depends on how you interpret it to me. Like Chuck, I wouldn't have on my list for a certain reason. You wouldn't

have Nick on. And that's very valid because Nick's not the best quarterback by any stretch of imagination that ever put on an Eagles uniform. So is it crazy to put Mike Vic on the list? No. You're on by popularity? No, you can put Mike Vic if that's one of your favorite Eagles. I mean, Mike Vic is an electric football player. I mean, he was better in Atlanta, but... Look, look, see? No way. And listen, I'm a Mike Vick fan.

I played with Mike when he first came home and just not as an eagle. Now, as a Falcon, absolutely. The Mike Vick that was there, absolutely. He's on the Mount Rushmore in Atlanta, not in Philadelphia. No question. But it's interesting. Everybody's list looked way different. And, you know, like, I would certainly usually defer to Brian because he's an O.G to me.

But, you know, like if we're building this Mount Rushmore, it's like, what's the criteria? You know, he's got an old-time guy. I've got a guy who caught lightning in a bottle. So usually they don't get love. And I don't see a lot of people having this name on their list. But don't you feel like David Akers need some love or not? He's got some Elliott Shore Parks in him. Ryan, don't fall for this shit.

Listen, again, another guy that was a great player during my time, coaches, GMs, and kickers are another one. It complicates. It complicates things anyway. Like, kicker,

it's another sport altogether. Like, you know, it's football, and we need kickers, and we love kickers, and we love David Akers, and I loved,

you know, Zerline, and I loved Goscowski, and I loved all the kickers and people that kick the footballs in Philly, too. But they're not football players, not the same way.

Damn. Bro. That's hard. Let me tell you guys the other guys that I have that I certainly would love to mention. Eric Allen, who I think is a Hall of Famer, cornerback, Seth, who should be a Hall of Fame. Seth, yeah. You know, linebacker. Troy Vincent, who, I mean, he can make an argument for a Hall of Fame.

Great player in Philadelphia. Guys, I love Mike Quick. Again, just I love them. And listen, I'm not here to my own horn, not my thing. When you talk about the most yards in Philadelphia Eagle history, just all-purpose yards, I mean. And that's who I was talking about when I said, if you get to break records, I didn't want to put you on the spot,

but if you hold Eagles records, like, it's incredible because there's so many great players. And yeah, like, these guys could all make the list. That's what's amazing about this list. There's so many great players. I mean, Jerome Brown, gone too soon.

People say he would have been one of the best all-time Eagles. I tell you what. We should do, like, an all-time Eagles, like, video game list, like players who put a video game. I used to kill people with Westbrookeville. What? out of the backfield, just a quick, a quick. Hey, right.

In college, no joke. In 06, like, if I wasn't at practice, you could find me and Clint when we hosted you on your visit. I'm about to kill each other. And we were about to kill each other. And I was always the Eagles, always the Eagles. And I was checking down like a motherfucker to Westbrook. So, okay, that's good, though. We work some things out.

And again, like, I apologize to one of the Eagles greats for putting Nick Foles on there. But I'm biased and I've played with it. Yeah, exactly. Part of me is like, dude, if we don't have Nick Foles and Doug, we don't have that ring at all because we didn't stop the Patriots on defense. Everybody's always like, hey, what was it like to stop the Patriots? I'm like, yeah, we stopped them for stretches. But we outscored the Patriots. And so I'm just very appreciative of that.

Okay, so first five games of the season, I'm looking at Lions, Vikings, commanders, and Jags. And then we go to Arizona. so I said we. But when you look at the Eagles and getting off to a hot start, what do you think is the most important part? Because I see some of these teams here, and I'm like, these are winnable football games. All winnable games early on.

I mean, you can make the argument. They can go 401, 5, and 0 to start the season. You know, the most important thing, no matter how you look at it, is Jayland Hertz getting confidence. So can he find a way to get confidence in that first four or five games? If he can do that in the first quarter of the season, four or five games,

then that changes. that could certainly change the trajectory of the entire offense. So if he could find a way to get in the groove, find a way to get A.J. Brown involved, see how you get Devonte Smith. Use your titan Dallas Gowder. When you look at this team, weapons across the board, running back, great offensively,

great offense line, great weapons offensively. If J. LaHersk could find his groove early on, now you're talking about an offensive team that can match, you know, almost any team in the NFC when you look at it. The other part is defensively, they're going to be able to hold the four down. They're going to be able to get the ball back to the offense. And so now you've got a team that can compete on both sides of the ball.

I'd have no problem saying this team can go four and one very, very easily, five and no in their first five games. Yeah, I'm with you. And getting off to a hot start so important. I mean, as an individual player, so you feel like you're playing with house money, but especially as a team because you don't want to be the worst thing as a team is like week seven, week eight coaches having that must win vibe about them like every game's a must win but you don't want to have everybody's asshole puckered up tight week seven you don't want assholes puckered up before

Halloween start seeing those new guys coming in getting worked out in the trainer room that too that too so I mean like anyways they've got to page your position you're like yeah what's going on like why is he here they're cycling these guys in but I mean getting off to a hot start's really important I think they can and I see a playoff team last year they got in the in the playoff team last year they got in the in the and technically they were a playoff team, but nobody really thought they were going to make noise. You know, myself included, I was going to be tough to go down there and win. I thought that game could have been closer.

But week 10, Carson to Philly in a commander's uniform. Again, this is the recency bias, but in the age of the internet, it's kind of hyped this matchup up. What's the more anticipated homecoming, T.O. or Carson? T.O. probably, because T. with that type of lightning rod type of dude. But remember, Carson was slated to be the savior,

literally the savior of this organization, going from the situation with Chip and all the other stuff, to Carson being the guy, making all the moves to be up, to get him in the second pick overall. And it just didn't work out in a way that he kind of left town, left a lot of bad taste and a lot of fans' mouths. And so they're excited. I'm sure the fans are excited to get a piece of Carson in Philadelphia,

of course they're going to do what we do here. We're going to welcome him with some booze and things like that. But I would expect Carson would be expecting that. He's been around the league long enough. You know, for Carson, when you look at the guy that has all the talent in the world, physical talent, strong, mobile, can throw the ball. For him to be in his third city in three years has to be tough. He has to find his way.

We talk about guys getting confidence early. He has to find his way early down there in D.C. or it can get ugly for him down there in D.C. as well. And so, you know, it's going to be a great opportunity for the fans to show how they feel about Carson. And I wouldn't expect them to treat them any differently than they normally do visitors. Is Gibson the best running back in the division this year? Super talented.

The best in the division? No. I mean, I would put him, I still think Seekwon has so much talent. I don't know that their offensive line is good enough. I think he's just super talented. Such a shame. Such a shame, dude. Because I remember playing him in New York. and thinking this is one of the best running backs I've ever seen,

like in my time on a football field. The cuts he was making, the power he runs with, the agility. But it's such a context-dependent position. Yep. Not very many people can make the first man miss all the time. He does that often. He can outrun people to the edge. He can run with power if he wants to.

He catches the ball out. There's just not many people that can do it all. But when you draft the running back before you fits the offensive line, before you fix the defense, it's just a waste of a waste of draft picks. So I love Sacon. I love the combination of Zeke and Tony Pollard in Dallas. I think they have a great one-two punch. Miles Sanders, when I watch him as a running back, has talent.

He hasn't been consistent enough for me. If he can be healthy and you combine him getting better, I think he has a chance. But Antonio Gibson, to your point, has ability. to run hard. He can catch the ball out of the back. He can do so many different things for that offense. And now you have a quarterback that can throw the ball, stress the field. That opens up things a little bit more for him. So I don't have no problem putting them. He's not the best running back in the league, I mean, in the division, but he's certainly one of the top running backs in that division. Yeah, I love Miles Sanders. It's just something that he hasn't been able to kind

of cross that threshold. And as you said, like consistent quality play. But I really like the kid. He reminds me in dual threat way of like some great players that played before him. If he can get it together, he can kind of be a guy that can do everything for him. So last question, are the Cowboys retooling or are they like Super Bowl contenders this year? I don't think they're Super Bowl contenders. I've actually picked them to be Super Bowl contenders the last couple years. And it's the same. I think they have probably had less talent this year.

They can't figure it out. They're the Cowboys. They just can't figure out you have all the talent in the world. they can't figure it out. They beat the bad teams pretty well. They cannot compete with the good teams. And to me, that starts to feel like organizational issues, some personnel issues.

And because of that, you know, as good as they seem on paper, when you get them on the field, they just don't compete the way that they should compete. And because of that, I don't even have a winning the division. I think the Eagles probably have a really good chance in winning this division if they go out there and get some good play from Jalen Hur. I got one more. Yeah.

Do you think T.O. can make a team this year. I love Tio. You know how he's going to answer this question then. I love Tio. Listen, I knew my career was over when I was 30, right? T.O. is 48. 40s, 48 or so, I think 45, 48, something to that effect.

You can't make teams at this age. You know, it's just too hard. This is a young man's game. You guys know it better than me. And listen, you can be as healthy as you want at the end of your career. you still know that it's a young man's game, just too hard on your body to be able to make a team. I love the fact that he's still willing to go out there

and put himself out there to try to make a team and continue to train. I just don't know how he doesn't. What about what? You don't think it could be like a basketball situation, how basketball they go back and grab a vet. You don't think that can be valuable. He doesn't want to be Eudanis Haslam.

Do you think that could be valuable for a team? That's what they tried to do with me. week they tried to do with me year 12 they were like hey come back you can be eudanus haslam and i'm i was like man eudanus hasn't doesn't get hit every day that's the cool thing about being a vet in the nbba it's not fucking cool to be a vet in the nfl if they're not yeah dude i think i think i think t o again super talented it's just too hard man yeah it's too hard man let's just sit back huh all right brian Brian, where can we catch you this year? You were 975.

Where were you at, man? Yeah, 975. You know, the biggest thing that I'm focused on this year is building up my foundation. We're doing a bunch of TV and radio stuff. It absolutely loved doing that. But building my foundation, the Brian Westwood Foundation, which really is focused on empowering youth, giving them different avenues to success.

Some is going to be school. Listen, if you want to go to school to learn, that's great. If you want to stop school after high school, be an entrepreneur, figure things out, figure out life. That's awesome. If you just want to go get a skill set, be a carpenter, be an electrician, be a mechanic, that's cool too. Just figure out what that path is and access that path to be successful.

That's what we're doing. The other thing we're doing, I'm doing here, is the underdog venture team. We're building a business, a branding studio that goes out there and helps to build your brand. So we help with startups. We help figure out a way to make your startup successful, you know, whether it's advisory. And here's a good thing about what we're doing with some of the business. the startups. Sixty-six percent of our startups will be either female-led or minority-led startups. We're building everything around that. We have all the support system, all the services

around the startups that you're going to need. You're going to need digital work, technology work with our next league partners. You're going to need sponsorships. You're going to advertise. You're going to need branding. We have everything that any company is going to need to be successful. And so we also, and this is most importantly for former athletes, I'm heading up the athlete-entrepreneurs. network. What the biggest issue for former athletes is after their career is over, how do they transition? Yeah. Chris, you've had a great transition, right? On the surface. Yeah, well, yeah, exactly. We're all struggling to get it, you know, like to stick that landing because it's hard, man. That's what we want to help, especially if you want to go into the business field.

We want to give you the education so that you can sit in these board meetings and you can understand what they're talking about, some of the terminology and things like that. We also want to be able to connect the dots with other thought leaders and build and expand that network. And if we can do that, we know that we can teach you how to be successful, obviously giving you an avenue of startups as well. And so we're certainly doing that. That's underdog venture team. We're excited to work with all the professionals that we work with.

And we're excited to work with the teams as well. So I'm looking forward to that. Two parting shots for Brian. First off, I think that's awesome because it echoes the sentiment of what I've always talked about, which is that the leadership and the skills you learn in football are definitely applicable after football, but you need to fine-tune them. You know, it's not like walking into a locker room when you walk into corporate America. Thousand-piece puzzle.

Yeah, there's a lot that you have to kind of like fine-tuned to get to where you were as a football player in the business world from that standpoint. And then second, I'll always appreciate Brian because I had a dinner from my charity, new guy in Philly, the whole thing when I was in Philly. And, you know, he was one of the people that showed up. But when you look around the room and you got an Eagles legend like that that just steps up for a new guy, you know, not just my teammates, but Brian. So I appreciate that, man. So let me know how I can return the favor. And congratulations on all the new ventures, man. Thank you so much. And I got to tell you this, man. When I went to that dinner, I didn't know anything about your foundation.

But that whole water boys, I mean, that, that touched my heart because, listen, you know, we're blessed, man. We're blessed to be able to do what we do. we don't necessarily, you know, have to get outside of our comfort zone to help people at all. But you purposely went outside your comfort zone. You purposely donated your entire year's salary that year. You purposely said, listen, there are some people that will never get the help or attention if I'm not standing here, if I'm not doing the different things. And you've got so many of our brothers, football players, professionals, families, businesses involved. I have people from Villanova because I know that one of the people, that Villanova has a Kyle Lewis built a water well with with your guys and your company.

They raised money and all these different things. Of course, your dad went to Villanamo as well. And they are coming to me applauding you and what you're doing. I mean, so many different things that you're doing. So we appreciate you. We're thankful. And again, as leaders, it doesn't just have to be on the football field. It doesn't have to be just in business.

We can lead in so many different ways. And I appreciate the way that you're leading as well, man. Continue to do that. Thank you, man. Means a lot. Brian Westbrook, one of the all-time. time greats. One of those guys that could be on just about anybody's Mount Rushmore. So we'll see what the fans say about this segment. B, thank you very much. All right, guys. Thanks, man. Take care.

All right, so off I go and we'll see. I don't know what Tuesday holds. We don't know who we have, Reed. I might have somebody banks. We might stumble into somebody. We get lucky here. I might meet somebody at the beach that I want to interview. That's right. Maybe I'll get shit face Sunday. All right. So if you know my wife and you didn't use to date her or something, text her and tell her if you're listening to the pod and you're friends with my wife, be like, really do a drunk pod with Chris

in Ocean City. Like, we would do numbers, huh? It's high time, it's about time that Meg comes on the pod, man. Agreed. You know, why are you trying to do that? I'm going to post a picture of my wife every day like a little Compton person, Rich Eisen.

That's the way. You should post that until she realizes. I don't know if she's on Twitter. Not a lot. So have you thought about the best, worst, case scenario of you doing that? What's the worst case? That she takes

all of our ratings through the roof and that you have to have her on. And she's going to have to be here. And then the worst thing is if she knows that, then she just like, like no.

Like she threatens to go to bar school, get a deal with bar school. That's the worst case scenario. Some leverage, yo. You never know. She's not leaving. She can't work for somebody else. And if you know her,

text her and tell her to come on the pod. All right. We'll see y'all Tuesday.