Green Light with Chris Long - PFT Commenter! Moving to Chicago, LIV + PGA Tour, Gambling in the NFL & Most Underrated & Overrated Draft

Episode Date: June 8, 2023

(2:53) - Hello, Layup Line, Canadian Forest Fires and Baby Gronk vs Baby Diggs (8:03) - Rest In Peace Eric Carmona of TUANON (9:40) - Gambling in the NFL (17:28) - PFT talks the PMT Move to Chicago, Buying a Car, the LIV and PGA Tour Partnership, Gambling in the NFL and Chris, Dr. Fax and PFT take on the Most Underrated and Overrated Draft where they pick their most Overrated and Underrated item or moment from a list of categories GoFundMe for Eric Carmona https://gofund.me/96978657 Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Send any Talent Search submissions to: [e-mail] Include any video of your talents, takes and bits as well as a little bit about yourself. Love hearing from the Green Light fans. Also, check out our paddling partners at paddleva.com to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b   Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42   Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1   Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Thanks for popping by today. We've got PFT commenter. He just moved to Chicago. He's jumping on with us because we have a great draft. It's most underrated and overrated of a couple different categories. We've got sports moments, historical figures, animals, food and drink. Chris Nate and PFT are going to pick their most overrated and underrated for those categories and a few more. Have a good bit of fun with it.

We're also going to cover the Live PGA Tour Partnership, talk a little gambling in the NFL. PFT tells a couple stories from his used car dealership days. We have a nice little show. You'll please enjoy and have a wonderful week. Quebec, Canada. I don't know what the, what's the, what's the state there, Manitoba? Quebec is a, Quebec is a state? Easy with the states, we're going to get to the provinces, we're you later.

Quebec, Canada. Hello! What the fuck's going on up there, guys? You guys are fucking up the, the AC here, the air quality. It's like 167 here. I got an upper respiratory issue because there's so, smoke all around my house. Get control up there, guys. So you guys had smoke jumpers. All right? I stopped smoking cigarettes and then Reed tells me being outside. It's like smoking

three cigarettes. Dude, it really does feel that way. How does the air quality thing work? So like it's, the other day I seen it was at 151 and then it was at 167 and higher the worse. The higher the worst. So it should be like what like zero should be like 50 something. We were in like the we were in the 150s yesterday and this morning I woke up and the air quality was was was worse at at 9 a.m. than it was yesterday. So buckle up when I looked off my balcony yesterday I was like man it's really foggy outside and my girl goes I think that's pollution and I was like and I was like really and then sure enough in the group chat I said something and read was like yeah there's fires up in Canada I thought it was you all right so that's my my hello uh my my my

play-up line. I'll just pick something at random here. No, you know what I'm going to do? Why Don't You Quit by Eddie Harris? That thing's been a banger for me. There was a really good, I'm not a huge fish fan, but my buddy who's a big fishhead, send me this playlist that they play at their concerts, and I think that like Trey and those guys really liking Eddie Harris. They had a whole bunch of Eddie Harris on there, so there's some great music on that playlist, but Eddie Harris, why don't you quit? Love the song. Hey, Nate, quick math here for the guys in the studio.

First off, congratulations again on your home run derby victory. Oh, thank you. Am I the best pound for pound home run hitter out of us too? Because if you could do that math real quick, you only beat me by one, but you got me by like maybe 40 pounds. It doesn't matter how many pounds. Like when you do home run derbies, do they care about how much these batters way? No, I'm just asking.

I know, but like, it's content, you know? Yeah, but it's not really. that good. I mean, if we, if you really think about it, do the math here, guys. I got it. He's a better pound for pound hitter than you. Let's say, let's say that he's 300 and your 250, just roughly. He hit three home runs to your two. So that's 50% more. He'd have to weigh 300. But that doesn't matter. We still need to add if facts had three more hits. Thank you. Yeah, you had two softballs and a baseball. So you're the better hitter and the bound. Better pound for pound hitter. Yeah, I think so. I was just trying to praise you.

talk to Kyle this morning on FaceTime. The report from Kyle is that the food in Italy has a higher floor than our Italian food, but the same ceiling. Interesting. Now, I don't know if that's going to be controversial. Our worst... Their worst is

much better than our worst. Okay, okay, okay. I see... I wonder. He was looking pretty svelte. I saw him on Twitter looking lean. Yeah, he does look good. I wanted to ask you, did you see Kyle's tweet the other day of his daily schedule in Italy? 5 a.m. wake up on a farm in Tuscany, 5 to 6 a.m. meditate 6 to 7 a.m. breakfast, then walk in the sun with wife. He's. Okay.

We're already. We're already. This is from Carnivore Aurelius's Twitter. Okay. But Kyle's daily schedule there is probably like wake up, rip SIG. Find a golf course. Scroll through Twitter and Instagram. Scroll through Twitter and Instagram. Rip another SIG. Visit the Coliseum. Visit the Coliseum in the afternoon again. Think about how well he would have done as a gladiator. Exactly. He's having a great time out there. The one thing he wanted me to say, because I was talking to him about baby gronk.

Do you guys know baby gronk? Yeah. Kyle wants to fade baby gronk. He doesn't think baby gronk's going to pan out. So he was like, if I could bet on baby grunk not panning out, I would do it. And I think that's a terrible mistake. I just saw the guy riszing up Olivia Dune. Yeah, I might be with him on that.

I don't know. I think he's, I think he's got the genetics. I think he's catching his social media peak right now Yeah, I can't wait for the 2040 Super Bowl When Baby Gronk gets the MVP And says shout out Kyle He never believed in me

Right, exactly And then there's also this baby Diggs guy Who's like a little Stefan Diggs He's up in Buffalo And these guys are on a collision course So just keep your eye on that And I see you say you think baby Grunk Over Baby Diggs

And I want to say that I think Baby Diggs would probably take Baby Gronk. Wow. Baby Gronk looks too much like a pretty boy to be. Okay. That's all I'm saying. Okay. So I want to take a second to cover something.

Okay, so I've had my back and forth with Tuanon. I had my back and forth with the guy in the Dolphin Mask, the actual guy with the Tuanon voice box and the whole thing. Eric Carmona, who was one of the founding members, of Toon passed away tragically in the last week and he leaves behind

a beautiful family and his wife, Vanessa, he was a Navy veteran, he was a huge Miami Dolphins fan and he was wildly creative. Like I loved, even though I disagree with the whole premise

of building a shrine to two, I love people getting into it and it's really entertaining and I thought he and the two and on people, you know, the guys with the math, the guys running that account were among the best fan accounts in the NFL, and I'm just really sorry to hear about it.

And there is a GoFundMe. We can share that in the podcast notes. Please consider supporting Eric's beautiful family. This guy was a true football fan, and really fucking funny. I never got to meet him in Temecula. I told him I wanted to meet him in Temecula, and we never got to meet. Yeah, man.

Rest in peace, Eric Carmona, and sending some love out to the two and on folks. Please donate if you can. Hey, listen, the gambling thing popped up in the NFL. We'll talk about it as details emerge. I think it's really interesting because, you know, I don't think people realize a lot of the different rules that go into it. It's like it's not cut and dry. Like if you're a coach or an executive or somebody working on the football staff,

you can't bet, period. I see Miles Austin, right? He got suspended for a year, and he wasn't betting on NFL games. But if you're an NFL player, there are all types of, you know, like little wrinkles in the rules. I mean, you can't bet at, you know, an NFL event, even if it's on another sport.

You can't do it in the locker room. There's all types of little things that you kind of have to pay attention to. You can be on team playing thinking, hey, I want to bet this NBA game. You can't do it. Wouldn't you just bet anything rather than learn the rules? Like if you're making multi-million dollars a year, like you're a good player. Well, I would just bet my teammates, you know, and not on the NFL, but on like whatever you want.

I mean, there's a book right in there. If you want to bet $300 on a college football game, I go find Brandon Graham. Brandon Graham, my favorite guy to, you know, like when we'd be out to dinner and we'd be watching college football or something, like he doesn't believe in spreads. So I would just, I would say, you know, hey, do you like the dog in this matchup? You bet UVA's never favored against Syracuse. So he would always come up to me and I'd be like, let me get the points on Virginia. But, you know, the point is, I mean, it's a lot like cannabis is like the landscape is changing in cannabis. And you see the way it's changed with the NFL is they can't say, hey, cannabis is a okay.

Because it's an issue with kind of the image and different state law. and that sort of thing. But what they can do is raise the threshold greatly to avoid having this rash of NFL players every year suspended for smoking too close to the test. And that's what they've done. And I think eventually the NFL has to contend with, you know, like weighing out, like, are we protecting the integrity of the game

or are we making the integrity of the game look shaky because these guys are getting suspended for betting the NBA or college football at the facility, albeit, but because they're confused by the rules or they're taking chances, and it makes the NFL look at first glance to somebody who's not digging in, like we have a gambling problem. So I think the NFL is going to have to contend with that calculus and being like, hey, do we want to take it a little easier to avoid the forest fire here

and not having to put them out every year with like a Calvin Ridley or even a Miles Austin or some of these guys that are supposedly getting suspended from Detroit? or do we want to go, you know, business as usual and just teach the players the rules better? I mean, I think that's the big question, but I think marijuana and gambling are parallel issues for the NFL. And the Super Bowl is in Vegas. I know. So it's just like, it's one of those things, too, is it's going to be tricky because you're going to have all these guys who don't make it to the Super Bowl, but you want to go and support your friends and colleagues and be down there.

and you don't realize you might be in one of these casinos and you might enter your name in some type of bet or drawing or whatever and come to find out in a year you might end up on a list like hey he betted on this so he can't play for six games or he can't play for eight games and that's a scary thing and don't get a bookie but there's no paper trail with a bookie the NFL's also forcing gambling into the player's consciousness

like they're opening up all these books in the stadium. Fans are more aware of gambling. The media talks about gambling. It benefits the NFL to have gambling be robust. They make money from it. So like they just kind of need to make this big public relations stand to try to make everybody think that things are on the level, whether they are or not. You just said a key thing, which is that, you know, the NFL, they're targeting fans. They're targeting gamblers, sports fans. Those are NFL players. And, you know, like the collateral damage is yeah your marketing is pretty fucking good and guys are looking at these apps and they're looking at odds and they're saying hey i want to get on that action it's not the NFL it's just they

want to gamble and i would be hell attempted to look at my own props like if i'm a running back i don't know what how many yards they think i'm going to get how many receptions they think i'm going to get you know yeah yeah motivation you walk in the locker i'm like fuck that my over under is 27 and a half yards today nobody believes in me but like we never paid attention to props or any of that shit when in the league because gambling wasn't as much in the forefront. So interesting to watch that develop. We have PFT commenter joining us today to do an overrated, underrated draft, a bunch of topics.

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First things first. We were talking offline, but, like, I want to ask you how Chicago is because I didn't even realize you had already made the move officially. When I asked Dan about it, he gave me a both-sides political word salad salad about how both cities are great.

What do you think? I would say, well, I mean, I've been in Chicago for like a week and a half. So as a Chicago expert, I can say that it is much, much better than New York. In New York, you live in a tiny shoebox. Your kitchen is, you know, hardly big enough to cook an egg in. And now I've got like an actual kitchen. I got a rooftop deck. I had Hank over for some beers, some steaks.

We grilled on a roof the other night. It's been fantastic. And I get why people love New York. I just don't love it. So I'm glad to be living in a real house. I went car shopping yesterday, Chris. Yeah. Car shopping is my favorite thing in the world to do.

Would you look at? I look at it at a Bronco. Ooh. Nice. I actually would have seen you as a Subaru guy. A new drop-top one? A nice forester. No offense.

Are you saying that I'm a lesbian, Chris? No, I've never seen one drive one of those. But I wouldn't know. Yeah. I'm looking at a lot of stuff. But car shopping is my favorite thing to do. because I used to sell used cars. So I know what they're doing when I walk onto the lot.

They ask me a certain question. I know what they're really getting at. And so I like, you know, it's a little dance that you do with the car salesperson. I'm not trying to waste their time because I have been on that side of it. So I just get like over the top honest with them. And I'm like, I tell them exactly what I'm looking for, how I'm going to pay for all this stuff right off the bat. And they're kind of like disarmed. They're like, well, I don't know any more tricks to use on me because you just told me the truth about it.

everything. Yeah. So like it's like hitting your shot the first play. Yeah, exactly. They're like, oh, well, this guy, this guy knows what he's doing. There was a dude that I one time sold a car to that brought his gun with him onto the lot. And that was that was his power move. He just stepped on. And you could see him he was like strapping up his holster. Like he didn't normally carry this thing around. He had an open carrier or whatever it was because it was in Virginia at the time. It was actually Charlottesville. Oh, really? Yeah. Brown. Did he, you worked at Brown, Brown, Brown. That's so crazy.

I bought my car from Brown Auto. Oh, yeah? Would you buy? Dodge Charger. Still have it. Yeah, and it's covered the bottom of it because we went tubing last week and we kayaking. He had to drive through a big field.

It's got like basically on the bottom of the, of a door. You know how it's got the quiet strip? Yeah. The bottom of his, his car has like a grass quiet strip. Some lady last night stopped him and asked him where the fuck he'd been driving. So he's still driving that charger. And I actually used to date, not the docks or Marin Brown of the Brown Empire family in middle school. We saw a couple movies together.

Oh, that's sick. Good for you. Yeah. Good for you getting some money there. So what are the tricks that people try to pull? Because right now I'm trying to trade in my excursion. It's old for like a new car. And I called and they were like, yeah, we'll give you like $2,000 for it.

I didn't know what to say. I was about to say 3,000 tops. So what do I do? do like what are the tricks i mean the hardest part about the hardest part about trading in the car is they're always going to give you an insultingly low offer for it no matter what dealership you go to it's always going to take your breath away how little your car's worth yeah you can go in thinking like oh this this excursion it's sweet i'm going to get 8500 they're like yeah we'll give you 1700 out the door for it on trade so just sell it my advice would be just sell your car on your

yeah that's what i'm going to do but what is the biggest trick that like a car salesman pulls like What's the easiest trick? The easiest trick is actually car sales. Car sales are total bullshit. So a lot of times they're not even allowed to call them sales. What they'll do is they'll have like a sales event or they'll have a big tent event. But it's not actually a sale because what they'll do is especially with used cars. They'll take a car that's been on the lot for, I don't know, a month.

Let's say that there's a Chrysler Pacifica. It's been sitting, collecting dust for a month. They've marked it down to 195. right what they'll do is for the sale or the sales event they'll put a giant for well first of all they order a bunch of balloons you have a bunch of balloons so so the more balloons are around you in a car dealership the more you're getting ripped off basically they'll buy a shitload of balloons in his car dealership yeah they'll buy a shitload of balloons put them in a room and then they'll they'll take the car that was 195 put a giant sticker on the front of it and they'll write like

229 and then they'll cross out 229 and it's 215 and it's like oh my god I'm saving $1,500. No, no, you're paying $2,000 more than you weren't going to pay if you bought this car two weeks ago. Yeah. There's that kind of thing and then there are some there's some honest people that work there though. Like it's not all it's not all scummy. I think since the internet has kind of taken over auto sales to a certain extent where people can compare online like way easier. It's got a little bit more honest because you can see. what the inventory is. You can look at what they're asking for, and then you can just go in the bottom line them. So yesterday, I walked in, I was looking at a Bronco, and I was like,

can I take it for a test drive? Never, never sat in one. And the guy was like, okay, just have a seat and maybe you can answer a couple questions for me. And I was like, well, okay, this is part of the process because he's going to need my ID at some point. So he's not going to give me the keys to the card until he gets my ID and gets like my contact information. So I sit down, he goes, look scale one to ten what would you say your credit score is like right off the bat isn't there a numeric system for that yeah why do you buy scale one to ten this is like a 650 yeah yeah so he he was just like asked me to be honest with him about what my credit was and um I knew that that was going to happen because I dressed like a bum going into the dealership so I was like unless

this person is a listener of part of my take they're going to see me walking onto the lot right now wearing i was wearing like a stained oversized sweatsuit and like umbrose shorts and flip flops they're like this guy is not going to believe that i'm going to be able to afford a and a gun yeah and a gun that's my number one tip probably thought you go steal it yeah just get in and take off yeah did did did the guy with the gun get his GMC jimmy he did not no okay um okay so a couple things on sports before you're over, overrated, underrated exercise here. Matt, what are we calling this? A draft or what?

Because this is your... It's a draft. Okay, it's a draft. Okay, so Liv and the PGA merge yesterday, and you being an avid golfer, or at least a back swing guy, actually haven't seen your swing. What do you think? I think that this was an all-time behind-the-scenes negotiating move by Jay Monaghan,

who seems like the world's biggest piece of shit. And if I was on a PGA tour, I would have to be restrained from attacking them, especially if I was one of those guys that did not take $100 million to go play golf for a year and do less work. And then all of a sudden I find out that, you know, our boss who was comparing people to like having blood on their hands, essentially for doing business with the Saudis was doing business with the Saudis behind all of our backs and preventing me from getting my money. He didn't want to get blood on tiger's hands. So what he was doing was he was taking all the blood and putting it all over his hands. The problem with Jay Monahan is he forgot the first rule of fight club, which is you don't forget 9-11. Somehow he forgot 9-11 in a year. And I guess it begs the question, is Jay Monahan a bigger piece of shit than Dan Snyder?

That's a good question. I haven't asked Dan Snyder about 9-11 yet. I planned to one day. I'm sure he had something to do with it. Yeah, but I think this is one of the biggest scumbag moves that you, that I remember in all of sports, actually. Like the fact that he was telling people like, hey, don't do business with these guys because they did 9-11.

And then using that as like a barrier to his own players going out there and getting paid. Like, that sucks. I feel bad for anybody on the PGA tour that listen to him. But it is a reminder. I think every now and again in sports, we need these reminders. You know, you know, us we're big player empowerment guys. Yeah. except when it comes to NBA players doing load management, but that's a different story.

But, like, we want players to get money because at the end of the day, the commissioners of these leagues are going to stick a knife on your back if it means it make a small amount of profit in the long term over it. That's what I said a while back to these guys. And they were like, no way I would take money. Tiger should take money to go over there. And I was just like, why not? Like, why not take that money? Because at the end of the day, if something like this happens, now you're just looking like, fuck. with your dick in your hand and and this guy costs these golfers over a hundred billion

dollars or one billion dollar one million it costs him over a hundred billion dollars well i'm just concerned about 10 billion dollars into sports washing but somehow no they they cost these guys a billion dollars tiger woods like 800 million dollars zalotaurus had only made 15 mil and they offered him 150 he said hey mate it was a dream of mind to play in a major might and uh and then a year later he can playing all these guys that left can play in a major anyway so it's terrible and you know what the the fucked up thing is they're going after soccer uh this is all part of the 20 30 Saudi vision which is uh to diversify their investment in things outside oil because they don't want to you know they want to have all their eggs in one basket and it kind of begs the question while you know

j mahons a piece of shit and these people are bad people uh is this good for the planet it. That's a good question, Chris. It is a good question. And they're working with a charity. It's a 501c3. Well, not anymore. Yeah. Now it's for profit. That was part of the explanation for why they're merging. And so a lot of people are saying that it had to do with the fact that since there's a law suits going on between the two sides, there would be discovery that was going to get in the

way for the PGA tour. People would be able to see behind the scenes all their finances, realize how much they're not actually a nonprofit. And that's what made the PGA tour come to the table and finally do the deal. I think they just wanted money, to be honest with you. And yeah, it's just tough. It's got to be a tough day if you're a PGA tour player. Yeah. And if you're a golf fan, and for a year, you were like, yeah, I'm not doing the live thing. I remember 9-11. And now you're like, how do I forget 9-11? They need to come around with a men and black thing and make everybody forget it. The people who are really fucked here are the wrestling fans that they remember 9-11 really well.

They remember when John Sina came in and announced that Osama bin Laden was killed. Who could forget that moment? They had no idea that the Saudis already have a relationship with the WWE. So no matter who you are, it depends, you know, what sport you like. But no matter who you are, it feels like you got to forget 9-11 now. Yeah, every time I go to Chipotle, I forget 9-11. Yeah. The public investment fund has a lot of money in those burritos.

too. So it's everywhere. They're definitely, they're putting money and everything and they've got more money than God. So eventually you won't be able to do anything without giving money to Muhammad bin Salman eventually. Do you think these guys should be able to like, do you think these have these guys have like liable lawsuits like with the PGA? I don't know. I'm no expert, but you would think you would think like for the difference. I don't think so. I don't think they do. I'm no legal expert, but I don't think they do. But like I feel like if I was a player, like I would not want to play again until I got the

difference of whatever I was supposed to make. If I was one of those guys that had an offer on the table and I told the PGA, hey, I'm thinking about going to do this and you guys talk me out of it, I need the difference. Whatever you're paying me now. Unless there was some sort of collusion where a year ago, Monaghan and Saudis were in bed, you can't really apply morality as a reason why these guys get fucked out of money because they made the decision on moral grounds and then they changed, you know, and then the, you know, Monahan and the PGA's changed their mind. So I don't think so. But hey, I want to do a, I want to give out a worse plane ride.

And I know that PFT is a big hockey fan. It's something we do on this show. We give out worst plane ride all fall. But it's got to be the Florida Panthers to get smack 7 to 2. I checked the weather there. It was 93 degrees at like 7, 8 at night when they lost the game. So these guys are taking showers. You know there's nothing worse than when you get out to the bus

and you're still sweating through your suit. and then your Canadian dad is all hungover. Maybe he's drunk. Maybe he's drunk again. He's somewhere between a hangover and drunk. He took a beating on the Panthers losing 7 to 2. It's just a bad, bad trip to see your folks at the bus and go on a plane and get back to Florida.

Do they have any shot? Yeah, I feel like they do because in hockey, things change so quickly. That game was out of hand after the first period. Halfway through the second, it seemed like all Florida decided to do is just beat the shit out of the nights if they could just like get into fights getting in scraps get all your aggression out right now so they kind of gave up on that game or at least they gave up on winning that game for probably 33% uh is is really all that they really uh they let they let about 33% of the game go by when they were actually playing hockey then they turned

it up they said we're going to turn this into a street fight and then they'll go home try to regroup and we'll see what happens game three i feel like things can weird shit happens in hockey so I'm not going to say that it's over. But that is, that's a bad plane ride because you also add in the fact that you're leaving Vegas, any plane ride out of Vegas sucks. Always, dude. Always, always enumerate. Also, Chris, have you forgotten 9-11 doing the worst plane ride segment so quickly after?

Wow. You know what? See how the deep, is it called the DP tour? You live in PGA? Yeah. See how the DP makes you forget? So, so honestly, hand- up when I saw that they were also merging with the DP World Tour, I thought that

Dude Perfect was somehow involved with the public investment fund now. I was not familiar with it. So I was relieved to see that Dude Perfect was not getting billion dollars. Yeah, because I don't want to see them sell out. That would break my heart. They already sold out for the NFL and did the draft and ruined Donna Kelsey's moment. So, all right, let's get into overrated, underrated, huh Matt? You drive this fucking bus.

All right. So here's how it's going to work. There's eight categories. There's food or drink, animal, internet personality, historic figure or event, pop culture, trend or moment, clothes or accessories, states, and sport moment. Sports moment. We're going to go by category. We have a predetermined order.

It's overrated first, starting with food or drink. Chris, you're up first, then facts, then PFT. And PFT, you'll get to go first on underrated. Okay. Overrated. Um, slice bread. Okay, everybody's like, oh, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. But I've heard of a million things that are better than sliced bread.

So maybe it's time to change that standard. I think sliced bread is overrated. I also want to throw McDonald's McFlurries with M&Ms into the, into the conversation. Okay. Because that's a hazard, man. The M&Ms are all cold and they're hard and the ice cream's all soft. And it's cold and it's confusing. If you have it done right, the M&Ms are crushed.

Oh, yeah, because you can get them crushed, right? Supposed to be crushed. Okay, so overrated Eminem McFlurry with uncrushed M&Ms. Okay. All right, facts are up. All right. Overrated food, I'm going with corned beef hash. What?

No. Wait, wait. First off, what the, What the hell is corned beef hash? It looks disgusting coming out. It comes out of a can. It comes out of a can. It looks disgusting.

It's like, like, what is it? It looks like brains. It looks like spam with a little bit of potatoes in it. No, I disagree. I think corn beef hash is delicious. What is it? Do you know what it is? It's beef and it's corn.

And then they make a hash out of it. You make a hash, which I think a hash is just like you dite. up a potato and then you mix it in. I love corned beef hash. I eat it like once a year, but I love it. You know, I think corned beef hash and eggnog should be year-round. Agreed. Oh, I love eggnog.

No disagreement there. All right, PFT, overrated food. All right, my overrated food, this might ruffle a couple feathers. I think filets are overrated. Filet mignon, overrated. Oh, that's kind of a leaminia. Because, yeah, I'd rather, if I'm getting a steak and you look at the menu, it always says filet mignon parentheses, eight ounces. And then it's right next to a New York strip that's like 16 to 20 ounces.

A rib-by. It's like 22 above. I never get the filet. It looks like a hockey puck. It doesn't have the right marbling, not the right consistency. I always go for the bigger steak. Yeah, if I go to a steakhouse, go hard on the paint. I'd like to change my pick.

Wait, wait. Well, I mean, no, I had another one on my list, and this is the strongest one. I think it's boneless chicken wings. And you might say, well, most people like bone in chicken wings. There's no such thing as a boneless chicken wings. Exactly, dude. And as of 2022, it became the most popular dish out of the two. And boneless chicken wings are made of chicken breast, like the inside of a chicken breast.

And they don't even have skin. It's just basically like a chicken tender doused in too much barbecue sauce. So we go around the corner, back to PFT for underrated food or drink. Okay, underrated. I'm going to go with empanadas. I've been on an empanata kick recently. It's like the perfect meal. You can hold it in your hand and it's fried and you can bite into it and it's got all the ingredients inside mixed together.

It's perfect. I don't know what it looks like an empina. It's like a little pocket. It looks like you're carrying around a pocket with you. Okay, I do. I do. I do know. It looks like a little clutch.

Yeah. Like a little meat clutch. And it's, it's great. It's like I said, it's a self-contained meal. Okay. I'm going to go with. Whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Hold on in a place. I'm going to go with underrated foods. I'm going to go with turkey. I think most people, you only eat turkey once a year for Thanksgiving, and it's such a great meal. My kid eats turkey every day. But like, not in a sandwich, not like turkey slices, but like, you know, turkey with the gravy mashed potatoes, the whole thing.

I think we should do it more than just once a year. And you kill turkeys. Turkeys, full disclosure. I do. Did you know, PFT, he's actually the executioner at this farm around Thanksgiving. Not just any turkeys, though. The most expensive turkeys. You know how NFL players used to have to go get other jobs in the offseason?

Yeah. This guy, like in podcasting offseason, goes to, goes and kills turkeys. How do you kill them? We shock them. Shock them. Yeah. Yeah. Have you seen that video of Sarah Palin talking to the news?

And meanwhile, there's a turkey behind her that's just getting like his head put into a grind. No. It's a good one. You know, fun fact about turkeys, you probably know this because you spend so much time killing them. They can't fuck. Turkeys don't fuck.

They're like bold all. Every turkey you buy at the grocery store is bought because it's born from artificial insemination. Yep. It's a virgin. And it's a virgin. They get a bunch of eggs shipped from London, this farm here. And turkeys are also, they're afraid of brooms.

Really? Yeah. That's like you wrangle them. You put a broom next to them and they freak out. Or you with a broom. Okay. So I'm going to go chicken and waffles from McDonald's. You didn't know you could get chicken and waffles at McDonald's,

but if you get the Southern Fried Chicken breakfast sandwich and ask for McGrittle, you know, a bread there, you're going to get chicken and waffles. I promise you, try it. That was fire. It is fire. Does McRiddle have squares? on it? No, you're not going to get the squares, but it's going to be so much. Yeah, you might be right.

Maybe it's a bad pick. All right. Next category, animal, Chris, you're up. Oh, okay. Overrated animal. Overrated. The dolphin. Okay, like everybody loves dolphins. They're like a, you know, this big symbol. They're like a top 10 most popular animal, but they kill babies. And that's not enough. They rape. I've seen a YouTube video of a woman getting pinned down by a dolphin. with an erection. Supposedly, rumor has that they tried that on Demi Moore on the shoot of a movie. They also, bottle-nosed dolphins are known to isolate a woman in the pod for weeks at a time and have their way with that dolphin.

They actually, they take pufferfish and make them secrete this. To get high. To get high. And that's another. The dolphins have a drug problem. They stay awake five days at a time. They're obviously coked up and they get high off. the puffer fish.

Damn, they really do sound like a, like bad news. Yeah, they're bad news, dude. They, they have great branding. I would not let my kid hang out with dolphins. No, they have great branding. There was this couple from North Carolina that wanted to go do a dolphin assisted birth in Hawaii. And this is how crazy it is.

They were going to go there and spend time in the water with the dolphins before, after, and during. They were going to have a water berth with the dolphins. What the hell? I like to play a little game sometimes with stories like these called, Guess what race this person is? Exactly. I go out on a limb and say they were whiter than I am.

That's like the white version of doing a water birth with Bill Cosby. You know? So anyway. A pudding berth? Yeah, pudding birth. All right. Come on out. Overrated animals.

I know you guys might not like this, but I think dogs are overrated, man. They're too high maintenance. like dogs is just you can't you can't dogs are like babies like you just like you can't leave dogs like alone if if if you leave if you leave your dog in the car like people get mad it's the same thing it's just like having a kid if you eat your dog people get mad eat your yeah chinese people eat dog you eat chinese all the time yeah but Korean Korean people yeah but I mean this is yeah of course can't eat them can't leave them in the car making it die a painful death.

Oh, so am I'm the asshole? What's all that? You can't bring the dog anywhere. People, people have to lie. Can't bring the dog anywhere. Every dog is an emotional support animal now when they're really not. Like, I don't know. It's just too much.

Dogs are overrated, man. Okay, all right. Terrible take, but okay. Overrated animal, PFT. Most overrated animal. I'm going to go with horses. Horses are overrated. I've never been a horse guy.

Everybody knows the weird horse people in the world, like the horse girls that grow up, you know, doing equestrian shit with rich parents. Like, they're weird. Also, I looked it up. So I've got the stat right in front of me. You know, despite all advances in modern sports science, no horse has ever been faster than Secretariat. The sport peaked. Horses peaked in 1973. That's interesting. Yeah. So it was the fastest horse ever. So I looked it up if humans peaked in 1973. 1973. The world record 100 yard dash would be 9.95 seconds instead of 9.56 or whatever. The world record mile time would be 3 minutes 56 seconds. We barely broke the four minute mile in 1973. Now it's down to 3 minutes 41 seconds. Like humans, humans have really... We have a higher ceiling. We took the, it was a passing of the torch in 1973. And horses were like humans, you got this. Yeah. I feel like if you become a horse girl, like either, Well, if you have a troubled childhood, you either become a horse girl or a porn star.

It's like the two professions that I'm like, ah, that's a stay away. Sometimes both, depending on what kind of movies you're watching. Exactly. All right, DFT, underrated animal. My underrated animal, I'm going with the Cape Buffalo. The Cape Buffalo is very underrated. It's a giant, giant beast of a cow. Some people say it kills more people per year than lions and hippos and rhinos and elephants,

but we don't nobody really knows people just kind of give that award to the hippo but there's so many people that die out in the wild and they're like oh this person got trampled to death by something and they just they they give it to the hippo because they think oh it must be a hippo but no cape buffaloes are called black death and they're very good for the environment cape buffaloes they'll eat anything they're like you know we see those those yards with big ass weeds growing out there you can't just take a lawn mower to them first you got to do like some some uh some preliminary care on it Cape Buffalo will go and eat anything that it wants.

And then it leaves nice, trim little grass behind it. So the more selective grazers, the picky eaters, can then come in and they can eat the bottoms of the grass. And the other animals can get that the bugs that are living at the roots. So the Cape Buffalo are just monsters. So without the Cape Buffalo, the zebra might not even exist. I've got one more fun Cape Buffalo fact. I don't know how much time you guys had to set aside from Buffalo. We got a lot for Buffalo.

When they determine where they're going to be going, like what direction that they're going to walk in next, all the women get together, right? And the women just lay down. And then one by one, a woman will like stand up and stretch and then like move to one side of the herd and start facing a certain direction. Then another will get up, stretch, walk, start facing a certain direction. And then eventually they all start walking the same way and looking the same direction. and then they all get up together and leave. So it's like a group decision. It's like a bachelor party.

Once everyone starts looking at their phones, then you know that it's time to bounce and get out of there. That's how Cape Buffalo decide where to roll. Yeah. They move as a unit. They're good for the environment. And they're deadly. Nate.

So my underrated is going to be cats. All cats, not just small cats, also big cats. I've recently gotten into watching. naked and afraid and alone. And I realize that when people are camping, it's not so much bears that scare them. It's always talking about cougars, big cact, and pumas, and that if they see something like that,

that they just know that it's pretty much it's over. Like, they don't seem that scared when they have bear spray. And, like, I would think that you would be more afraid of a bear. You're more afraid of the mountain line because you don't, there's no warning sign and they will hunt you. They'll follow you. Exactly. Exactly. So I guess like I had, I didn't really know that until recently.

You get Garfield. You get lions. You get, you get, you get Cougars. Yeah. It's a nice play. Get my co-host. Yeah. Big cat.

Big cat. Yeah, you get big cat. I'm going to go with a frog. We've talked about frogs on this pod recently, PFT. I didn't tell you this, but we, we went camping and frog ended up in a wash cycle. he sat through two hot loads and he was clinging to the inside of the window

yeah no pretty lit and then also they're good for the environment they eat bugs they're good indicators so like if there's frogs by a body of water you know that the body of water's clean the other thing is frog legs taste good too hugos in Chicago oh you're in Chicago if you ever go

to the casino hugos they have a frog legs try him it's really good frog leg yeah and Mike Tyson gets high off frogs so that's good Like, if they were not frogs, like Mike Tyson would be out just brutalizing everybody. Like, it's good that Mike Tyson has an outlet. And we have frogs to thank for that. And then lastly, the other night, we have a keypad on the side of our door.

And Meg heard the keypad going off. I was out of town. So she starts panicking because she thinks somebody's trying to get in the door. It's the frog. The frog's punching in different numbers on the keypad. So they're really talented animals. They're good for the environment. And they're a good vibe.

I don't mind picking up a frog. They're one of the most handleable reptiles. They are. They're also good for telling, like, if you see somebody wearing a frog on a t-shirt in the wild, you can spot an art teacher from a mile away. No question. No question. That person does pottery.

I can see the frog stamp on your breast. All right. Back to overrated Chris' internet personality. Ooh, overrated internet personality. I'd like to start with. underrated like to follow emotion to start with underrated while I think of an overrated but underrated is is drill

and I know PFT probably agrees with me Wint is one of the best personalities on the internet if you want good tweets that'll make you laugh follow a drill he's a comedic genius all right we'll just have facts

do his overrated internet personality then I'm gonna do my overrated or underrated do overrated overrated? Overrated bringing a little controversy here. I'm going to go with Billy football. Overrated? Wow. Wow. I love it.

Why? I mean, it's just my take. He's another frat guy to me. I can't be the only one that thought about Billy when Chris was talking about a frog sitting through two hot loads. He would have loved the last section of this draft.

He would have. I have to disagree with you. I have to vocalize my disagree agreement on that one because Billy is uh he's talented Billy's talented at his own things sometimes his talents aren't things that most people would consider to be talents but I like Billy Billy's your kid I PFT give us your overrated internet personality this is a tough one because I know that I know that whatever I say is going to come back to the right it's definitely going to get back to the person for sure overrated internet

personality I'm ready to go Darren Revelle because as much as people absolutely hate him I still think he's overrated. That's wild. That's a good answer. Don't you like his jalapino drink, though? I have no idea what that is. I had one. It was good. All right. PFT underrated internet personality.

My underrated internet personality. I'm going to go with Billy Football. I think Billy Football is underrated. He gets a lot of shit from a lot of people. He is a frat guy who didn't happen to be in a frat, but he totally embodies what you're saying. I know what you're getting at. But he also is so much more.

And he's also a frog enthusiast. He's a, actually more than anything, he respects mass. It would probably really kill him to know that you hated him because you're a dude. I don't, I don't hate him. I love Billy football. We only hung out. We hung out with him once. And it was, it was an amazing.

We got him so drunk. Remember we got him all drunk and he said that he got us drunk, but he couldn't show up to work. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Billy's such a liar. But yeah, he was talking the other day about just starting a podcast with your brother, Chris. Oh, that's, yeah, that'd be good. Yeah, that'd be good. And J.J. Watt.

And the point of the podcast would just be to get them in a room and wrestle each other so they really could watch. Oh, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. Underrated personality. Underrated. I'm going to go with Dr. Fax. Oh, that's good. Self-promotion.

Got to put my name out there. a little bit. I don't get a chance to be on a podcast with guys like PFT and Chris Long at the same time. So you got to throw my name out there a little bit. Okay, overrated, Bradley Martin. He's just big. You know, that's your doppler ganger. I know he's my doppelganger, but like, try doing that without being big. That's what I'm doing. You know, he's too big for you. That's a crazy pick, you know. Well, no, I just was scrolling looking for people and I can make a strong case for why, you know, he had to has a lot of help. Oh, man. That's crazy. You know, I like the milk boys and the whole... No, I love Bradley Martin. I'm just saying, because he's big. Can you put that in parentheses so it's on the graphics so he doesn't get mad? Because he's big.

Historic figure event overrated to Chris. Oh, great. I've got some good ones here. Thomas Edison, okay? He was a real shit bag and he was a volume guy. I mean, all he did was file a bunch of patents and just hope one sticked he was a look busy guy a lot of them weren't even his ideas not even his ideas from 1800 to 1879 people were working on the light bulb already okay he was standing on the shoulders of giants and then the filament that he used in 1879 wasn't even the one that ended up being the one we used today and now it's tungsten uh but he was you fucking around with a bunch of plants and here's the worst thing he did his his rival was uh nees that's Nikola Tesla, and he was a big alternating current guy,

whereas Edison was a direct current guy. And so they had this little rivalry and to try to throw shade at alternating current. Thomas Edison, I don't know how to say this, he executed an elephant publicly in New York City with alternating current. He hooked him up to Tesla's alternating current and electrocuted an elephant in New York City. And here's the worst part. It just gets worse. It just gets worse.

He wasn't even sure that the alternating current would kill the elephant, so he gave him cyanide-laced carrots right before the execution. He's a bad guy. He was a bad guy, and he was standing on the shoulders of giants. You know, he also tried to monopolize the film industry, and then, you know what he did after he electrocuted that elephant? He made a movie out of it. You know what it was called?

Electrocuting an elephant. Just a real shit bad. Yeah, asshole. And he stole all of Tesla's work and then paid him off and said, okay, go go live overseas. I don't want to, I don't want to talk to you anymore because I stole all your shit. I can't have you talking to the press. Just a greedy guy. I agree.

All right, Nate. Historical figures overrated. I'm going with another Thomas. And I'm going with Thomas Jefferson. Yeah, I agree. Thomas Jefferson, man. Even though I am a UVA alum, a lot of a lot of. a lot of his bad stuff is right on the line is overpowered in the history books and um a lot of

UVA was was or most of UVA was built by his lovely slaves so um I don't I'm not I'm like on the fence about Thomas Jefferson yeah uh yeah Chris when he said a lot of the stuff that he did was right on that line what would you consider that line to be I would say I'd say owning human beings is somewhere on the other side of the line. Okay. You know. No, I, um, I agree. I actually had T.J. is my most overrated historical figure too.

I've got a longstanding beef with Thomas Jefferson. Uh, he, he claims to have vented all this stuff that they found laying around Monticello. Uh, bullshit. That's all bullshit. He says that he invented macaroni and cheese. Thomas Jefferson claims that he invented mac and cheese. That's fucking cap.

He claims that he invented, The elevator, which is just a dumb waiter that he had on a pulley just so that his slaves could make him meals and he wouldn't have to interact with him. Everybody knows Otis and Ben at the elevator. Oh, you know Otis, man? I am too. Dice and Krupp can get out of here. I'm like Otis guy up and down. Yeah, me too.

I also think that Thomas Jefferson lied about some other stuff. I think he, I don't think he really founded the University of Virginia. I think he had help doing that. if you've ever read his notes, because I read a lot of Thomas Jefferson writing when I was in college, he has this paper called Notes on the State of Virginia. That's maybe the most racist thing that you'll ever read in your life. Look it up. I'm just, I'm not going to even get into it because it's like, it is really, really bad.

And you're reading this. And you're like, wait a second. This is a guy that's on the $2 bill. Yeah. And also the $2.00 bill is overrated. I'm also boycotting Monticello. I just want to, I just want to. announce that. I've never been. I've been boycotting it since I was a kid.

Nice. So, yeah. On the right side of history, Chris. Yeah, I'm on the right side. All right, PFT. Who's overrated? You mean underrated? Did you want to pick Thomas Jefferson as well? You can pick whichever one you want. Okay, I was going to take Thomas Jefferson, but I can switch it up. I can say that Rommel, the Desert Fox, the German general, overrated. Everyone's like, oh, this guy did such a great job fighting in northern Africa. Guess what? Guess who was in charge of the Western Front on D-Day? Yeah, that's right.

Rommel. So Rommel fucked everything up for the Germans on D-Day. Didn't help that the H-man was sleeping in. Didn't believe him waiting against a tank order. But, yeah, Romel, Romo overrated. Cool, all right, now you're up there.

Can I add one more overrated? King Tut. King Tut was, he's the smallest tomb in the, in the Valley of Kings. For God's sake. He was 18 when he died. He was disabled. He had a club foot. He was what do they call it? Malarial. And he was in bread. He really didn't do much. He was the ultimate Nepo baby. They just, they just buried him with a bunch of bling. Wasn't his fault he was in bread, bro? Well, no, but I mean like, you know, he also shouldn't get all these fucking like

casinos and shit and good branding. The guy didn't do anything. All right. PFT, underrated historic figure or event. My underrated historic figure is Tom DeLong, guitar player from Blink 182. Because he is the dude that got the United States government to admit that we got aliens. So he quit, he quit playing guitar for Blink 182, one of the best punk rock bands of all time. And everybody was like, yo, Tom, why are you leaving this massively successful endeavor?

He's like, well, because I'd like to prove that aliens exist. And everyone was like, oh, okay, well, you're insane. Thank you for letting us know. And then fast forward about 12 years. And his organization actually got the Pentagon to release footage and admit that they have evidence of unexplained flying objects. All time call your shot guy. That's great. That is crazy.

And how about the UFOs these days in the news? I feel like I read something every week and it's like small news now. It's just like we've accepted it. My theory on that is that because Taylor Swift broke up with her boyfriend. at the same time that the UFO news came out, nobody cared about aliens. That's interesting. Yep.

All right, Dr. Fax? Underrated historical figure, I'm going with Benjamin Bannaker. He was the first black surveyor, and then he was the first black presidential appointee. He helped select the sites for the U.S. Capitol building, the treasury building, and the White House. That's pretty good.

Yeah. Is it my turn? Yes, sir. well this is going to dovetail nicely uh john brown yeah because he you know bleeding kansas and all that stuff he was about that life you know and some people don't like when i bring up john brown which is like kind of telling on yourself like what do you do wrong you just killed a bunch of slaveholders um you know i'm a big john brown fan that was was certifiably insane loose cannon but he used it for good yeah i agree um fun fact one of my distant

relatives was hanged with John Brown at Harper's Ferry. No way. Wow. Yeah. The copics, the copics went and they rolled, John Brown was going. They're like, if John's going, I'm going. Oh, that's so badass.

Yeah. What have I done with my life? I feel the same way about Gertrude Etterly, who I'm related to, who swam the English Channel. She's the first woman to swim the English channel. Do you know that? I'm related to us. Yeah.

Got us. All right. Congrats. Hey, Howie Long. Overrated pop culture trend or moment? Overrated. I'm deciding between democracy and flash mobs. Failed recently.

Yeah, I think I'm going to go democracy. Because it's not working very well. You know? Where in the democracy handbook was like buying as much of the presidency as you can? Yeah, I'm going to go. Honorable mention flash mobs. I hate flash mobs. Making me uncomfortable.

What are you doing? I don't know you. Yeah. Never thought of democracy as a trend, but sounds good. It is a trend. Overrated, I'm going to go with the gritty. I think it's, I'm not going to lie. It's a little bit too hard of a dance for everyone to do.

So I don't like the fact that it's so popular. And like the kids like it. It is easy. I can almost do it. My white kids do it. Like on the regular, which I'm better. I like them doing that more than I like them dabbing.

I was just about to say it was a hard pick between the gritty or dad. Fucking Dan, his co-host, is the biggest perpetrator of white kids dabbing in America. Him and Cam Newton. Yeah. Bad influence. Yeah.

PFT, overrated pop culture trender moment. Overrated pop culture moment. Can I just go with Elvis's entire career? Yeah, that's good. I think Elvis is very overrated, just in general. And not just the music, the phenomena behind Elvis. Yeah. Very weird and overrated.

I never really got into his music. I don't rock with it that much. He's got like, somebody out there is going to get mad and correct me, but Elvis has like no bangers. He's got hound dog. Okay, I stole that one. He's got suspicious minds. Oh, I admit, good song. Great job.

He did one good one. But besides that, I never been to Spain as a banger. But other than that, I'm with you. Some of his gospel stuff is very good. People like dress up like him and dedicate their entire lives to looking like him. Las Vegas is a shrine to the man who's not even from Las Vegas. You know, I feel- People get married by Elvis a lot.

So me and Meg were going to do a 10-year anniversary, like get remarried in Elvis costumes. But she's pregnant now. So she'd be like late term Elvis. So I, you know, maybe put some some baking powder on her under her nose and have her all sweaty with a cigarette hanging out. Dial on the toilet. Yeah. Underrated. Underrated.

Underrated movement. I'm going to go with sortition, which is. I don't even know what that is. It's kind of like the, it predates democracy in Greece. and they only did for a little bit. But the way they would choose their leaders would be everybody writes their name on a piece of paper, puts their name in a hat in town. Then they just go through and they pick one name out and they're like, oh, Chris, you're mayor. Congratulations.

And then that person's mayor for like five years. And then five years later, they'd do the whole thing again. So it was completely random. So you'd have the biggest shithead in town sometimes would be put in charge of leading the town. But it gave a reason for the schools and the entire. system that people lived under to be as good as possible knowing that maybe the worst cared after person amongst you could one day end up ruling you. That would have been good for cable news. Can you imagine? That'd be great. I think it'd be great for the NFL draft. Yeah, it would.

Just pick the names out of that. I like that. That's a great pick. Learn something there. All right, facts. Underrated pop culture events, I'm going to go with the dirt. dirty bird. I feel like the dirty bird missed its kind of time with social media and the internet, but like it was really kind of like the first football celebration kind of like line dance. Like, and if you think about all the different celebrations we've had in football, there's nothing that's really been like the dirty bird. And if the dirty bird had like, if that would have been something that had happened during mean world. The new dirty bird. It is, but it's not.

Everyone can't do the, everyone can't do the gritty. And the dirty bird is the old, is the old icky shuffle. Yeah, the icky shuffle was, was that, but still the dirty bird. Oh, that's pretty good, though. I think, yeah, I think it's underrated. Okay, Y2K, underrated, okay? Well, if you think about Y2K, if it wasn't for Y2K, we wouldn't have been doing all that coding in the years leading up to protect our software.

So I think like spin zone, I think Y2K was actually a good thing. And on top of that, like everybody spent a lot of time together. You know how in the movies when they're like and don't look up, they're about to die and everybody's at the dinner table? Can you imagine after they said all those nice things if the world didn't end? That's kind of like how it happened in 2000. And then lastly, this was the best part. If you were in high school like I was, it was like, hey, the world's ending soon. Maybe we should do this.

You know, like you were talking about. talking to your gal or your bejee and your baby girl and you were like hey like tomorrow is not it's not promise it's not promised so we should we should do this did your family buy canned goods uh i can't remember okay yeah i had to go buy i had to go buy a lot of canned goods yeah i remember yeah why 2k and in 2000 when turned 2001 and people tried real hard some people like marketing teams tried real hard to get some awareness out there of actually this is the real year 2000 because there was no year zero. So let's celebrate this year like it's the year 2000.

And they tried the Mayan end of the world too in 2012. And I was like, I'm over it. I've been through Y2K because Y2K was underrated. Who came up with the name Y2K? Because they knocked it out of the park. They did. It was perfect. It was very turn of the century.

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just a snotty little tablecloth in your, pocket squeegee kind of underrated like i feel like if you're a homeless guy like you should have a squeegee like i'm gonna wait so we come back to the underrated no oh yeah yeah underrated yeah okay so i'm going overrated uh wedding ring okay i have a tattoo wedding ring if you're serious about it guys get it tattooed if you're a full uh what's the word philanderer uh then then just wear your normal wedding ring that you can take off all the time plus i remember when i got a wedding ring the first week it felt like my finger was going to fall off. And like the heaviness of that wedding ring reminded me of the heaviness of the burden of becoming a married man.

But I love marriage now because I have a tattoo and it's light. You don't feel anything. All right, Nate. Am I going to get in trouble for that? No. My wife actually came up with that. Okay. Overrated.

I have the visor. is just an incomplete hat. Incomplete hat. Yeah. I don't like the visor. You like complete hats. Yeah, your head, like especially if you wear a visor when you're when you're kayaking, the top of your head just burns up.

Like, yeah, you're shading your face. But what about the top of your skull and your scalp? The visor is it should be only allowed to be worn by coaches south of the Mason Dixon line. And that doesn't, that doesn't jive with what you're saying because like, you know, This is Elaine Kiffin, Steve Spurrier, Doug Peterson, and Jacksonville thing. And it doesn't do anything good for your hair either. It does something good for Doug Peterson's hair. Yeah, so sometimes when you get the guys wearing the visors with the funny hair that spikes up,

you know, the ones that have the hair sewn. That's a good look, though. I agree that visors don't work for everybody. Yeah. They work for Guy Fieri. Yeah, he has to see, he has the hair. He has a hair thing in the middle where he can do it. Okay, PFT.

You're up. Overrated. Overrated accessory. I'm going to go with tongue ring. Not that great. Totally disagree. Well, maybe we just have different experiences in our first. All rings. I like all rings. Nose rings, tongue rings, belly button rings. I like them all. My wife took me through this last night at dinner. I had to be truthful.

I don't, I don't see the appeal in a tongue ring. I really don't. Having experienced a tongue ring. Yeah. It's not, it's, it's dangerous. It's dangerous. Yeah. Ranking the rings. And no, Nate, you can't put that other ring in there.

No, I almost got a nose ring before. I go nose ring one. I go tongue ring two, belly button ring three. Yeah. Belly button two. I don't like the nose ring in the middle. I don't like the one that looks like a bull. No, the side nose ring.

Side nose ring. That's cute. Yeah. What about Prince George? Who's that? It's the dick ring. Oh, dick ring. That's not on the board.

Okay. Yeah, I was talking about women with tongue ring. All right, PFT, underrated accessory. It's so funny because you see a girl with a tongue ring and every guy's thought is like, that girl gives blow chops. Yeah, she does. She sure does. My underrated accessory is a fanny pack.

Yeah, that's wonderful. They're so practical. I got a fanny pack laying around here somewhere that's got a Bluetooth speaker inside of it. Wow. So you can just roll around blasting your own tunes. Oh, there we go. Yeah. I wear it like a sling, dude.

I wear it, I can wear it like a backpack. I can wear it like a fanny pack. I'm a big fan. You put it over whatever shoulder you want. I got a lot of items. Yeah, the fanny pack also serves as a belt sometimes when you're wearing a track suit. No better combo than a fanny pack in a track suit. Nice.

Also, great place to put your drugs. It is. That's kind of why I got the fucking fanny pack. Dang. So since he took mine, I'm going to go with. cargo shorts as underrated because my thing was regular pants and regular shorts like they're not meant for you to have stuff really in your pocket and so since he took fanny pack I was saying having a fanny pack and if you don't feel cool with it you can just kind of like turn it so it's

on top of your butt and you can like pull that off but you can have your wallet in there you can have your pockets free, but if you have a cargo pants on, you got some extra pockets in there. You can store some things, whatever you need to store. Your IT band sweat like hell in cargo pants. Why do you say that? Because of all the extra layering there. Hey, it's all good, man. And they have cool ones now, the cargo pants where you can unzip them at the knee,

so you can turn them into shorts really quickly. So I'm going to say cargo pants. Okay. I like that. The only problem I have with cargo shorts or cargo pants is, have you ever tried to iron them? It is. Make it worse.

It is. It is. You just got to leave the pockets alone. The pockets are never going to get straight in. You just got to leave them alone. Okay. They'll drive you nuts. I guess I'll go wallet chain.

I actually think wallet chains are kind of cool. I think they're coming back. I think when I see a guy with a wallet chain, I'm like, don't fuck with that guy. Like, that guy's prepared, you know? I'm going to go with the wallet chain. Nice pick. I actually thought about that. He did.

I'm not even going to lie. But then I seen a... He took a Fanny Pack was my favorite as well. But then I've seen a YouTube of guys in like different countries, pit pocketers. And that was... They have ways around it. That chain don't work. It don't.

In Taiwan. Yeah, they'll take your money and put that chain and wallet right back in your pocket. You got to have like three different wallet chains. Yeah. People have to guess which one's a real one. The other ones are connected to a taser. You chose unwisely. There's a cost.

card in this one. All right. Two categories left. We got states. Chris, give us an overrated state. Nevada. Nevada. Okay.

For a while, they were like, we have one national forest. We have one national park. It's hot. Just a bunch of Italians buried in the desert. And we've got gambling. That's the kicker. But now you can gamble anywhere. Nevada is overrated.

There's nothing great about Nevada. Vegas is fun for 12 hours. It's getting less and less, the older I get. Yeah, and that's why I said 12 hours. I think last year it was 36 hours. But you inched a little bit closer to Vegas. I feel like the rule is the further you have to go, the less time you can spend there. You're a little bit closer now in Chicago.

I'm definitely not going to be a casual Vegas guy. That's never been like my speed. I'll go to Vegas for, you know what, next time I go, I'm actually more looking forward to just hitting the buffet than any other else. Dude, that's our thing. We go down to the wind buffet and pile it on. Oh, man. We should do some buffet pods. Yo, the buffets down there are unbelievable, dude.

I'll wake up at like seven in the morning because I'm on East Coast time, and I'll go down there, all half drunk, have a buffet, go back to sleep all day. I like in the steam room in Vegas, too. They got some nice spas out there. Yeah, yeah. I'm so washed. Like, if I go to Vegas, it's like, it's not even zero cocaine done. Yeah.

No, my favorite is the hotel room. Seeing what hotel room you're going to have and how nice is it. is and the buffet is the AC works. There's pumping oxygen in there. I can hide. Dr. Faxx, when you walk into a hotel room, are you like me where

no matter what hotel I'm staying in it can be a best western in Arizona? I open that door. I take two steps in and I look. I go, oh, this is nice. I am like that. It would be the shittiest hotel, but it's always, oh, it's pretty nice.

Are you like me where you lay on the bed and listen to Mario Lopez, do extra? Oh, my God. Yes. And I'm like, the remote's right over there. That is so funny, yo. He is on all that shit. Okay, so, wait, overrated states.

I'm going to have to go with Washington, D.C. There's a problem here. A little technicality there. It's technicality because it's considered a state, but it's not really a state. It's not considered a state. It's not. No. It's not.

50 states in this state. Taxation without representation. They get on the license plate, which that license plate goes hard. Okay. So then I'm going to go with Montana. Overrated? Overrated. Are you kidding me?

It's my pick, bro. No, I know, no. Is that okay? You've been to the state. Yeah. And I don't see all the hype. It's hard to breathe there. Like when you're there, everything's so far apart.

I remember to get into town from where you live. 15 minutes. No, it's not. No, it wasn't. We went to the car park. We went to the chiropractor. It took 90 minutes to get back into town. 90 minutes.

Like, we, yeah, man. Like, you have to worry about bears. You have to put these enormous locks on your garbage cans, just so bears don't get in. And, I mean, it just might be a lot. You haven't even gotten to the whites. Oh, yeah. And then.

Here's the only thing that sucks about Montana is, like, And they were doing that whole, like, recounting of the election. There was this big militant group up there that had stolen the ballots. And it was like 20 minutes from my house. Oh. Yeah. And so you just know you're surrounded by some crazies. Some real crazy.

Yeah. Yeah, that's my pick, though. Okay, that's fine. No, I mean, I had the pick. I mean, my first. My first pick got thrown out the window. I thought D.C. was considered a state. And that was unfair.

Who knew that wasn't a state? I did. As Montana just become so. so underrated that now it's overrated? Oh, I don't know. One of those things. Swing state. I think I'm just tired of hearing about it.

PFT, overrated state. My overrated state is New York. Yeah. New York. New York is overrated as fuck. Unless you like paying 49% tax and living inside of a shoebox. And the thing that I just realized about New York is you're always within 20 yards of somebody,

no matter where you are. If you're sleeping at home. But you're talking about New York. You're talking about New York City. As a guy from New York State, you're talking, what you're talking about right now is only New York City. Yeah, there's Syracuse. There's Albany. There's a lot of places, man.

I can only speak to my experiences, my lived experience. Are you calling my lived experience incorrect? No, no, no, no, it's not. No, like, I'm from New York. I'm from Westchester, New York. And everything about New York City is just terrible to me. Westchester's kind of like D.C. And it's not really part of New York.

It's kind of part of Connecticut. Whatever you want to say is just at the end of the day, it's better than Manhattan. And like he's saying, being on top of each other, having a closet as a kitchen. You know New York City is not real livable when you start agreeing with all the conservative talking points. Yeah. You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the truth. Yeah, New York City.

No good. Yeah, I stepped in human shit five times today. Yeah, and you're like, well, I did. You got a point there. Yeah. My underrated state. I got two of them. I hope that's okay.

That's okay. North Carolina. Come on, raise up. Great, great state. It's got a little bit of everything. You got the mountains out in the west. You got the ACC tournament in the middle. Some great basketball, a lot of tobacco.

Beautiful country in the middle. And then the barbecue, I think, is very underrated too. A lot of people don't like the vinegar-based pork shoulder. I love North Carolina barbecue. And then you got some of the best beaches in the world on the east coast of North Carolina. I lived in the Outer Banks for a summer. And, man, it's not, it's nothing like the TV show. I didn't get laid nearly as much.

But it's, it's a great place to spend a summer. Did you have a Salt Life sticker or an OBX sticker? The OBX sticker, you had to get one of the, I might, I might bring back the OBX stickers. I don't know if the whole country appreciates how big of a thing the OBX guy is. Like in the mid-Atlantic, you get guys that just live for those two weeks every year that they get to spend on a boat in Kill Devil Hills. They drive down in their jeeps with their don't tread on me license plates. I'm going down at the end of the month. Yeah, and there's Salt Life stickers.

Okay. North Carolina and. And Utah. I think underrated people. People talk shit about Utah because of like they say, you know, Salt Lake City is just a bunch of Mormons. The Utah Jazz Stink. etc, et cetera, et cetera. The list goes on.

But Mormons are very, very nice people. You know, like to say nothing of their religion, I think for the most part, in my experience, the Mormon people, the Mormon families that I've known have been super nice. And Utah is much more than Salt Lake City. You've got some of the most beautiful national parks. That's really the allure to me of Utah. If I go out there, I'm not going to go to Salt Lake City and spend time there. I'm going to go out, you know, camp, drive a VW bus around for a while, go,

go see the arches. It seems like a very beautiful place to go visit. I've never spent time in Utah, only at the Salt Lake City Airport. I don't think I've ever. Facts, what's your underrated state? Underrated state, I'm going with, I don't know if they're really underrated, but I'm going to go with Hawaii. I think Maui is one of the best places I've ever been to, like, ever.

And just me being a beach guy, like, the beach. in Maui and the water just waking up and seeing the color of that water. Waking up, taking a couple caps. Bro, it's just sitting on the beach. I took caps and cried on the beach in Maui because I had took a little bit too much, too much penis envy. But it was just that I couldn't believe. I was like, yo, this is, I'm looking at the same sun that I'm looking at when I'm in Virginia. But I'm sitting here on this beach and there's these fucking finding Nemo turtles like crawling out

the beach just chilling not bothering anybody and then when you're in the water and you're snorkeling it's just a a whole different world down there and like to be able to see that just right off the water anywhere in in Maui like is is unbelievable yeah but you're a sponger what does that means you're not a good surfer I don't think not a good stuff surfer I can't go over to Hawaii as much because they'll call me a howley which is the the word for a white boy that's coming over there to hit the beach and take up real estate yeah um okay i'll go with west virginia i think west virginia is uh ridiculously underrated i think people think about the wild and wonderful what whites of west virginia and there are whites and there is drugs uh but there's also beautiful mountains clean rivers

the new river the galley uh all the national forests all the park space gino smith gino smith bill Withers, Pat McAfee, Randy Moss, Jerry West. It's a hotbed for talent, you know, per capita. I love West Virginia.

I do too. Yeah. Put movies in there before sports moments. Oh. Yeah. So I can go first on movies. I think the most underrated movie of all time,

and this wasn't that hard to figure out. Have you ever seen it? Underrated or underrated. Underrated. Have you ever seen the movie Go? PFT? That sounds very familiar. Is it involving the mob?

No, it's involving a bad drug deal, like a drug deal gone bad. It's like rave era, late teens, early 20-year-old people. It's an early 90s movie. The cast is like Sarah Polly, who I had a huge crush on in high school. Her character in that movie is just this gorgeous gala. that steals ecstasy and sells aspirin at these rave parties and gets hit by a car, no spoilers. But Timothy Oliphant is in there.

He's a, he's an ecstasy dealer. Katie Holmes, Jay Moore, Tay Diggs, Melissa McCarthy, Scott Wolfe. I mean, look at the cast of this movie as like, Who's Who before they were all. It's a great movie. It was loved by the like indie film lovers in 99 when it came out. But you would think by now it would be a cult, you know, classic. and it doesn't feel like it's risen to that level. And I love the movie.

Yeah, I've never even heard of it. It's a great movie. It sounds like it hits all the right notes, though. It hits all the right notes. You got everybody in there. All right. So we're going in reverse for this one. Fax.

You got a underrated movie? Tokyo Drift. Tokyo Drift. That's a good answer. Tokyo Drift. You think it's underrated? Yes. I think it's underrated.

A lot of people don't like that, that particular movie out of the series. but I think the racing scenes in that movie were unreal. Like it starts out like in a parking garage and they're like they're drifting up the parking garage while they're racing. And it's something that for me just thinking about that, whenever I'm in the garage in a mall or something like that that has that spitting going up garage. You think about like, yo, like if I punched it in here. Would I be able to drift like they were doing? So I'm going to pick that movie.

So that's kind of like, you know, with The Godfather, everybody hates on three, but some people say one's overrated. And three is actually a little bit underrated, in my opinion. I'm not saying that the Godfather's overrated, but. All right, PFT, underrated movie. My underrated movie, I'm going to go with Adaptation with Nicholas Cage playing twins of himself. You've got Brian Cox playing the screenwriter teacher, like legend of the game.

It's got it's got a little bit of everything in there. It's got like crime. What's your name? A lady who's nominated every single year for Academy Awards. Merrill Street. Merrill Street. Merrill Streep's saying you get to see Iraq. You do?

Yeah. I thought you're saying you could see Iraq. Yeah. It's a good movie. It's a little bit confusing. It's like one of those Charlie Kaufman movies that he spends probably like five years writing to get it down. It's almost like a satirization of screenwriting.

which is pretty meta. But if you can get past all that, one of my all-time favorite movies. Okay, I'm putting it on my list. Nice pick. I like that one. And then FFT coming back to you for an overrated movie. It's a pruder film.

It's all grainy. You can't really see much. It's not, there's no, there's no real, like, structure to it. Why was that guy filming?

Why was it the only person who was when you can't see anything on the grass signal? You can't really see anything that people tell you to be on the lookout for all the conspiracy theories out there that are like, well, watch the Zeproor film and it'll answer all your questions. It gives me more questions than it does

answers. And then you always get Ravel tweeting it out on the anniversary of JFK being shot in slow motion. And that's a terrible way to wake up in the morning. But JFK did do his own stunts. He did. The original Tom Cruise. Also, he's probably a little bit overrated JFK. Because, you know,

the two things that buy you a ticket to being well liked are like being good looking and dying early. He hit both of those. And he was this big womanizer, but he couldn't even walk. You know, he wasn't some macho guy. He wasn't even a real Catholic. I guess he was kind of a Catholic in the way that he was, you know,

stepping out nonstop. But yeah, I think JFK is overrated too. Yeah, we should do president's category next time. All right, Nate, you got an overrated movie? Yep, this is easy. Going with dumb and dumber. I knew he was going to say. Wow.

Dumb and Dumber, I feel like... White people are going to be so mad at you need to... Yeah, is every white guy... Dumb and Dumb and Dumber and dogs. Yo. Dumb and Dumber. I don't... I don't understand why people think dumb and dumber or white people, like, think

Dumb and Dumber is so funny. Like, I don't know, but we know the whole movie. I guess so, but... It's got to account for something. It doesn't, though. Like, it's... I don't know. I feel like I can honestly probably watch that movie and, like, not laugh.

Like, not laugh. not laugh a lot. Okay. Like more than like five times. We're going to get stoned and watch dumb and dumber on camera. And if you laugh. I don't know, man. That's just my pick.

I think it's a little overrated. Okay. Well, I got a couple here, but I guess I'll choose. Let's see. So is the departed one of the most overrated movies ever? Because a lot of people say departed's really overrated. I started watching it the other day. in the first 15 minutes, it's got all the makings of an overrated movie.

Too much plot share. Jack Nicholson, he meets boy, Matt Damon, and then, you know, man Matt Damon, 10 seconds later, Jack looks the exact same. You know, it's just, I don't know, they butcher give me shelter on the way in. I don't know if they use it again. I forget the movie, kind of, but like Departed,

I just wanted to put in a footnote for Departed for conversation's sake. 300 is overrated wildly overrated 300 there's a whole generation of guys like me that saw the movie loved the movie but we didn't know we weren't cool and then like you turn 30 something years old when's the last time you threw on 300 it's a bad movie did you ever try to do the 300 workout uh no when they put that out that would be an overrated trend but like yeah fuck that movie it's overrated i would say departed is super rewatchable although it is heavily like Jack Nicholson and I don't know what he's doing in that movie. So if it's heavily flawed,

then it's considered one of the greatest movies of our generation, then it's probably overrated. Real ones don't consider it to be Marty's like top five. Okay, all right, but some overrated, maybe. Yeah. Do we have time for one last category of sports moments? Yep, sports moments. All right, so Chris, overrated sports moment.

Overrated sports moment. I think I have Bill Buckner. You know, it was game six. You know, they had a chance, much like the Bartman thing where they had an opportunity to put that game away, and there was an error, and then Bartman fucks up, and Moistice's a Loo's, like, you know, if Moist's Loo doesn't react that way,

I don't know if Bartman, although I love the whole thing. Like, the sick guy in me loves the Bartman story. Like, the Buckner thing, they had a three-run lead in game seven. Did you know that? So it was game six. He boots the ball. They blew a lead before he booted the ball, and then they blow a lead in game seven.

I think the Bill Buckner thing is kind of, is kind of overrated. No, no, here's the most overrated one. The catch. Really? Mays?

No, the catch. Joe Montana. Clark. And, and Dwight Clark. Okay, like look at Dwight Clark and look at how much

spacers between his cleats and the ground. Okay, like, that's not even making Sports Center top 10. It was a great throw,

but it's not a great catch. It should be like the throw, if anything. I don't even think that makes NFL live week eight. you know, nowadays. I agree with that.

It just, it happened to occur before anything else had been named the catch. You know, besides Willie Mays, I guess you could say in baseball, but like it, it is not worthy of the honorific the catch. O'Dell Beckham's one-handed catch. That should be the catch. That should be the catch. And, you know, evidence of that is O'Dell, his whole career that's followed him in a really good way.

You know, he's been a great, great player. But, you know, that catch kind of puts. him in this category of like an icon. But yeah, and I feel bad because we just had Joe Montana on. And if he's listening to the social, Joe, it's not about you. It's about Dwight Clark. You know, you can barely get off the ground. It was a great throw.

It's just kind of overblown. Fex. Overrated sports moments. I'm going to go with Derek Fisher, the point four, versus the Spurs in 04. That final winning shot, at the end of the day, they go on to, to lose in the championship that year. So like that, that shot really doesn't, doesn't mean anything. So I think it gets hyped up way more than it.

That's pretty good. It should. Yeah. But my close, my close one also, I don't know if hopefully PFT wasn't going to say this, but the whole J.R going the wrong way situation. Everyone forgets if, um, who would, who would, say it again? George Hill. George Hill, if he just hits that free throw, they're up one and none of that mayhem like really

happened. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So like, I feel like, I feel like a lot of people. they get on J.R. Smith about that situation. And it's just like, George Hill is like a guy that you would think would be able to hit free throws. Yeah, J.R. Smith's not a guy that you'd expect not how many timeouts there are. Yeah, we need the adults in the room.

Yeah. Also, didn't they lose that series like, what, four games to one? What was it? Four zero. It wasn't even closed. Four zero. Yeah. So if they'd won that one game, people were like, oh, it would have been a different series. Yeah, it would have been different. We'd been four to one, not four to zero. That was the night. I'll never forget. That was the very, day, I think that that pusherty disc Drake. It was like your craziest day, dude. You had the JR memes.

You had the Drake memes. You know what? That game did more for LeBron James than if they had actually won that game. Because the meme that came after, everybody was like, oh, look at who he has to play with. J.R. Smith's a pretty good player. He made some big shots over his career. But because of that meme, everyone was like, oh, when LeBron James won in Cleveland, he had a bunch of nobody's on his team.

No, he had Delhi, all right. He had first in the United. He had Delhi. That's right. Big Z. Well, I didn't win with Big Z. Overrated sports moment, PFT. I'm going to go with the entire New York Yankees.

Yes. The franchise of the New York Yankees. So overrated. Hey, guess how many World Series they've won since MLB had meaningful drug testing? One. Yeah. They won one World Series since then. Every year, it's like, oh, this is the year for the Yankees.

No, it's not the year for the Yankees. flawed team, their flawed franchise. The whole, we don't put our names on the backs of uniforms. You have to shave your beard. You have to cut your hair if you want to play for us. They won the vast majority of their 27 rings that they say before half the country wasn't allowed to play baseball, basically. So, yeah, it's like if a baseball team was controlled by succession,

congrats on saying the biggest number, and you still lose. Brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant. Last part here, underrated sports moment, PFT. The gold medal game that the U.S. had against Finland at the 1980 Winter Olympics. Because going into that game, we could have finished anywhere between first and fourth place. We could have been out of the running for the medals.

Yeah, we beat the Soviets, The Miracle on Ice. That's what everybody talks about. We probably shouldn't have beaten them. I mean, that was a great game, great story. A fantastic movie. But that wasn't a gold medal game. Overrated speech in the movie. movie.

Yeah. Yeah, I think nobody talks about the game against Finland. That was no, because we wouldn't really talk about the miracle on ice if we hadn't also won the goal. That's a great pick. Backs. Underrated sports moments, I'm going to go with the 04 Pistons beating the Lakers for the championship. When the Lakers that year had Shaq, Kobe, Carl Malone, and Gary Payton. they beat them.

And like no one, I feel like no one ever puts them in the talk of, like, greatest team because that was, that was a super team, man, the Pistons. And the Lakers.

The Lakers were kind of a super team, though. I'm not saying they put it together, like a super team altogether, but like if those three players were playing with each other in today's game, who's the only thing that's separating that from being like a super team is the one superstar.

But like, they were all stars. No, they definitely wore Wallace. They had, Ben Wallace, Rashid Wallace. They had a really good team. But, I mean, I don't feel like we talk about that a lot.

I love that moment. Yeah. I love that call. Last pick of the draft. Last pick of the draft. I'm going to go Jerome Simpson doing a flip into the end zone. Oh, okay? Like, nobody talks about this.

The guy did a flip on purpose into the end zone by the pylon, landed on his feet. Landed it. And it was, it was an Easter egg, too. Because then he was flipping that work. I was just about to say he was flipping something else, too, doing a good job about it. too, the amount he got caught with. So he does, that guy is known for flipping. Yeah.

Yeah. He's the only underrated flipper. So, yeah. What I like about about that play, too, is he had to flip. Like, it wasn't just, he was doing it for fun or it wasn't that necessary. He wasn't scoring a touchdown if he didn't execute a perfect front somersault into the end zone. It's not like Michael Jordan. Actually, I want to add that, can I do honorable mention for overrated sports play?

Yeah. Michael Jordan's layup where he goes in, one hand switches to the other. Not that nice of a layup. It happens all the time. He didn't need to switch hands. There was nobody coming to block that shot. No, I agree. I agree.

And nowadays, you get the inflation of like amazing shot. So, you know, back then it was just a bunch of big white guys and Michael Jordan. That's how I see it. Yeah, the reverse layup also by him is a little bit underrated because you get that. Like, Kyrie Irving has done that move and done it better probably a hundred times. in his career. Yeah, but we don't talk about him. Okay, cool, perfect.

Well, this has been the underrated, overrated draft. Part one, we'll be back for part two. We've got more categories that Matt has saved up. So BFT, I appreciate the time, dude, and enjoy Chicago. Are you putting ketchup on your hot dog? Oh, every single one of them. Yeah, Chicago style. That's how they have it.

That's how they're going to hate you out there, man. They hated that. Like, I can't believe people eat hot dogs. I'll catch up. Yeah, they're weird that way. But, you know, custom. New York pizza or Chicago pizza? Chicago pizza is great if you want to not shit for like a week.

If you're just trying to put yourself up. You might as well just eat lasagna. I mean, it's good, but it's not pizza. Yeah, that's interesting. Nice. Okay, cool. Well, enjoy Chicago. And we hope to talk to you soon, buddy.

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