Green Light with Chris Long - Puka Nacua! David Njoku! Orlando Brown Jr! Howie Long! Steve Spagnuolo's Dominance & Justin Fields to Pittsburgh?

Episode Date: February 14, 2024

Another round of interviews from Radio Row during our trip to Las Vegas. Chris starts the show by adding a little more color to the Super Bowl and discusses why Chiefs defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo could receive more head coaching interest during the next hiring cycle. Chris, Beau, Nate and Howie check in from media row last week and preview our guests. Then we talk to Puka Nacua, Orlando Brown Jr and David Njoku - all from the Toyota Tacoma media center. Puka tells us about the first time he met Aaron Donald and playing in Sean McVay's offense, David Njoku falls in love with the Toyota Tacoma and talks about his scary ordeal this season and then Orlando Brown Jr talks about playing with Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes and being a second generation NFLer. Enjoy! (00:00) - Chris talks playing for Steve Spagnuolo and his potential head coaching opportunities (33:20) - Justin Fields to Pittsburgh? (37:00) - Chris, Beau, Nate and Howie talk Radio Row in Las Vegas and Beau's night in the Sphere for U2 with Howie, Diane and Roger Goodell (43:15) - Puka Nacua on playing with Matthew Stafford, Sean McVay's intricate offense and meeting Aaron Donald for the first time (1:00:55) - David Njoku on playing with Joe Flacco, blocking Myles Garrett in practice and his frightening ordeal this past season (1:09:52) - Orlando Brown Jr on playing with Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes, being Kyle Long's teammate and being a second generation NFLer Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Make sure to check out Fax and the King every Wednesday on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaxAndTheKing Send any Talent Search submissions to: [e-mail] Include any video of your talents, takes and bits as well as a little bit about yourself. Love hearing from the Green Light fans. Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. https://paddleva.com/ Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. A fun-filled episode for you today with a few more interviews from Radio Row in Las Vegas. We have Orlando Brown Jr., Puka Nakua. David and Joku, all from the Toyota set that we were at last week. They all come by, bring good vibes, have a blast. Puka tells an amazing Aaron Donald's story. First time he met Aaron in the wait room. David Nujoku tries to convince the Toyota folks to give him the Toyota Tacoma that was on set with us.

And Orlando Brown talks to Chris and Howie about being a second generation NFL player and what makes Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burroughs so great. We have a blast with those guys, Chris, Bo, Nate, and Howie do a little intro into those. but before that Chris gives a little update on what's happened since the Super Bowl. He gives his opinion on Coach Spaggs, maybe getting another head coaching opportunity, why haven't they come? Maybe they will in the future. And the rumors of sending Justin Fields to Pittsburgh.

Is that going to be his next team? Are the Bears willing to make that trade? We talk about it. Y'all enjoy today's episode. We will see you Friday. Happy Wednesday, everybody. Pretty atypical show today because the interviews that you're going to hear came last week. As you can tell, my voice is not back to 100%.

So this pod is about load management. Okay. It's been a long season. It's going to be a long off season. We've got a lot of stuff coming your way. Been doing some of the planning. Pretty excited about it. More to come on all that.

Just a reminder, this week, you will have a Friday pot. Next week, it'll be Tuesday and Friday. Okay, so we'll be shifting. to a two pod structure. All right? I'm like spags. I can shift in and out of different structures, get you content in different ways.

So much needed break for the whole team going down to two pods coming up next week. But as promised, here's your Wednesday show. These are the interviews from last week at the Super Bowl. We have David and Joku from Cleveland Browns. This dude is eccentric. He was cool. he was athletic he was climbing all over the toy on a pickup truck he actually wanted to drive it off

the lot puka nukua spent over 10 minutes he like came on the set you know you kind of like wait around to meet the guy say what's up to him and I'm excited to meet puka former ram and all that but more than anything he's a beast and you know like I'm waiting around to meet him and I'm like where is this guy he's been in the truck for 10 15 minutes adjusting the mirrors like just checking out all the features the guy loved the Tacoma. That interview was incredible as well. Puka was maybe one of my favorite interviews I've done in the last calendar year. Look forward to getting him back.

Did tell him I was going to get his Madden tag and beat him with the Rams. He was going to beat Puka with himself. We'll see how that goes. Orlando Brown. This big dude, man, I knew him from, you know, my brother playing with him and raving about the guy. So I was really excited to run into him. at the media center and like we didn't have him planned he was like yo i'll come on let me come on so you know dad was sitting around and i was like this is perfect i just have dad and myself interviewing

orlando will talk you know line play technique and a little bit of what it's like to have a dad um that you got to live up to in the NFL because Orlando has the same thing you know his father was a great player and um he can certainly understand some of the challenges, you know, people always highlight how easy it is. I'm still waiting for it to be easy. But the challenges are many. And I think it was cool to talk to him about just, you know, some of the pressures and that sort of thing. But more than anything, I love to nerd out on the line play stuff. So we've got all three levels here. We have a big guy. We've got a big skill, as I would call David Njoku, and then we've got a skill guy. And we've got all these interviews from last

week and we got somewhere to dump them so let's do it today okay i hope you guys enjoy that listen just doing some clean up from the game i finally got a chance to sit down and watch the all 22 from the kansas city's defensive side of the ball like to go through and watch the kansas city defense now watching it in real time watching it speeding through the replay sunday night that's never sufficient you want to see the whole story and boy did this game tell a story but one thing that's kind of surfaced on the defensive side of the ball for the Kansas City Chiefs is this talk about should Steve Spagnolo be a head coach at some point. Should he get a chance to go back and be a head coach? And I guess I'm pretty qualified to talk about that because he's been my head coach before.

Now, all the vacancies are full. You know, seats taken everywhere here, all like eight or nine of the vacancies full this off season. And he did not interview for any jobs, nor do I know if he turned any down. you know, I don't know anything, but I do know people are starting to talk about Spags is getting back into the head coaching ranks. And, you know, I look at it through the lens of, and of course we're talking about a year out,

two years out, whatever it is. I look at it through the lens of the fact that maybe he's the best coordinator in modern football history. Because if it's all about winning, he's won four of those things now. Like he might be the best assistant coach of all time based on that metric alone,

especially considering the defenses that he coached in the Super Bowls, respectively allowed 10 points a game after halftime in those four Super Bowls. Now, the teams they beat, we're talking about 2007 pats that they were averaging 37 points a game. They grounded that team. Randy Moss was on that team. They were undefeated. like insanity i still can't believe watching that game you know in real time

2019 nineers uh 30 points a game he held them down 22 22 eagles 28 points a game now the eagles played pretty well offensively they got them a little bit but in the second half it was harder 2003 niners 29 points a game and you saw what most that game felt like. I ended up with 22 points and overtime and that sort of thing, but it was tough sledding for them. And I guess the question I have is, what does that say about our 2011 Rams team?

Damn, did we suck? Like the players? Because I think Spags could do this. I mean, listen, is it going to happen? I don't know if it's likely. Okay, I'll lay out why, but he coached me and the St. Louis, Rams from 2009, my second season, to my fourth season, 2009, 2009, 2010, 2011. We got him canned in

2011. We went like 2 and 14. I had a real good year. I was glad I did because I'm glad Spags at least had one lasting good impression on me. The last two years he had me. I think he liked me. I think the first year was like, uh, this guy's got some figuring shit out to do. And I don't like just handing the keys over to a top five draft pick to play a ton. Um, but I learned a lot of valuable And I was inside the NFL and they put me on the spot and they were like, this is two weeks ago doing a social thing. And they were like, hey, one Spag's memory. And honestly, I'd love to give you more memories than this because there were a lot of

memories I look back fondly on when it comes to Spaggs being my head coach. But my fondest memory when it comes to like evaluating my career was him actually sitting me down that first training camp and saying, hey, you know, we're going to, We're going to sit you down here for another player. You're going to rotate in, but I can't start you to start the season. I think somebody else earned it. And in that situation, it was the message that I needed. I wasn't working less than I should.

It's not that I didn't want it. It's not that I wasn't willing to play hard. It was I wasn't working smart. And I think I needed to learn how to be a pro. And I had some great vets who were doing that simultaneously, but spags. kind of, kind of, you know, walking up and hitting me, as he would call it, between the eyes with this thing. I was really appreciative of that, especially in retrospect. At the time, I was like, okay, I kind of'm getting the message. It was a message I felt like. And the message was received.

The first half of that season, I was going through a lot, didn't play real well. And the second half of the season really came on for me. And then my career went. And so, you know, I don't know how much of that i owed his spags but he was that kind of guy when you hear guys talk about him great teacher great communicator uh somebody that players like was a head coach in the beginning he was a hard ass like i think he came from that tom coflin tree and i don't think he got to bring a bunch of guys from that tree to help him implement his way of of doing things so you know you walk into that st louis situation and half the reason we're talking about this right now is kevin demwoff of the rams was on twitter today he's got a great account if you want to

follow somebody who's actually, you know, front office guy in the league right now, was kind of tweeting freely, but he's talking about Spags. And he's saying he deserves another chance. And, you know, it's kind of interesting to think that, you know, one of the guys that had to fire Spags in 2011 would have that to say. And I think, you know, it's been 13 years. It's been a long time. He's 64 years old.

Those are some possible impediments to get him coming back. coaching. I don't want to put the cart before the horse, but I serve you up the topics as they come across my desk. And this was talked about today. We know he's not in contention for a job right now. There are no jobs. There could be jobs next year, one of which that could exist next year, a vacancy that could exist. And, you know, I'm not rooting for this to happen. I'm a big fan of of Brian Davel. But, you know, if things don't go well in New York, like, is it a certain kind of job that would make Spags jump? To me, when I think about Spags, here's the second lasting impression in Spags. His Spags used to sleep on his couch. You know, you sleep on not his couch at home.

He would sleep on the couch in the facility. Nobody worked hard in Spags, but maybe he was like me. He was trying to figure out how to work smart. And, you know, I think a lot of that, a lot of that happens, you know, your first go around as a head coach. And most guys don't get a second chance. But maybe he's a guy worth giving a second chance. I mean, I'm not, I'm certainly not campaigning for it. There's no job for me to campaign for for spags. But I would echo the sentiments of like a Kevin Demoff that this guy knows how to coach. Obviously, as a coordinator, he's been great, very small sample size in the most inopportune of opportunities in St. Louis, if I could put it that way. You know, I always lament how hard it is as a player to walk into a situation like that.

You can call me what you want the first two years of my career, but I dare you to find a lot of guys who are going to really excel in that situation. as a rookie and a second year player, the context of everything around them, the talent, you know, how serious the organization is about winning, how serious the organization felt about winning. You know,

we weren't playing with a lot of leads. We weren't a lot of great situations, and we hadn't been doing a great job in the draft. And, you know, Spags comes in, and it's an uphill climb. So it's been 13 years of whatever it is. I don't know how much I'd weigh that experience

against him. You know, I know he had a lot of guys come in from New York. And if I had to read the tea leaves, Spags comes from like a Coughlin tree and he was doing a little too much Coughlin. I say that with love and respect. I'm a huge fan of Spags. And being a head coach in the NFL is one of the hardest things I would imagine in the world. But you learn a great deal. And sometimes guys get out of character a little bit and they're trying so hard to be a head coach or whatever it is. I think if Spags gets another shot, if he wanted another shot, with the wealth of knowledge he has, with the experience that he's been given, you know, rounding out his resume working with Andy Reed, yeah, I feel like he'd have a better shot than he did the first time.

And also, like, he'd probably have a better pick of the litter of the job. I don't think that was a wildly attractive job in 2009, whenever it was. St. Louis Rams organizationally weren't like a beacon on the hill post greatest show on turf. They've been kind of left to rod a little bit. So he couldn't rehab that, that house that was falling down in St. Louis. Maybe the next opportunity if he gets another one is, is one that's a little bit easier.

And so, yeah, you do have the long layover, not being a head coach. There are second chance guys that have been successful. You know a lot of them, Belichick, Cleveland, New England. That's like a four-year break for him. Shanahan, we're from L.A. to Denver. Not a lot of people.

remember him in LA in 1989, but Denver, 1995, Andy Reid, Philly to Casey. That was seamless, right? Pete Carroll, he had that kind of circuitous route. Jets in 94, Pats in 99, college, Seattle in 2010, and then went. And then Coughlin, 2002, Jags, 2004 Giants. The one that comes to mind is Dick Vermeal, because he was gone like 15 years, you know, and that's the thing that sticks out to me is like, if he hadn't jumped yet, and maybe this is kind of a shitter, get off the pop moment for him, 64 years old, I think the next hiring cycle is when you'd see him do it.

Because, you know, we've talked about this with, with Lou Anirumo before defensive guys get the short end of the stick a lot, especially if they're older. And, you know, at 65, 66 years old, is it something he wants to do? Does he want to start over? Does he want to change situations? Holy shit.

In Kansas City, I'm going to tell you what they're going to. going to run it back with next year. Because Chris Jones doesn't have a no tag clause. They could tag him. You could pay Snead. McDuffie's all pro. You've got two locked down corners. You have a fucking, you know, a monster in the middle.

You've got good linebackers. And hey, you don't have to worry about the offense fucking it up royally. The offense did the equivalent of that this year. And they still played the best defense in the league, which is incredible. speaks to his brilliance and the greatness of the guys on that defense.

So pretty interesting to think about Spags a year later we might be talking about this when the next hiring cycle opens up. If they three peep, you know, but there is something to be said for not sleeping on the couch every night.

There is something to be said for being a part of something. The respect he gets in Kansas City, I mean, it's at an all-time high. You know, I ordered a in Spags, we trust shirt. The guy benched me and two. 2009. I love the guy. Okay. If, if he gets a shot in a year, I say, go for it, young man,

65. He's pretty youthful for that age. But it has been a long layover and there are concerns. Just an interesting thing coming across my desk. A couple things from the Super Bowl, as I said, I sat down and watched Spag's defense. You know, I saw Feliciano, the guard for the Niners woke up and blame Spencer Burford for, you know, the miss throw in the end zone in overtime. And that wouldn't end at the game because the new overtime rules. But if he hits that shot and they've got the shot, it's a different ballgame maybe, but maybe the Chiefs go for two and win it. But the bottom line is the San Francisco 49ers season ended on an Emmy. And I don't particularly like a guy waking up. I don't care how fucking moody or hungover you are to

throw a teammate under the bus on Twitter. Is that the age we're living in now? I know the guy fucked up, and of course you're supposed to know your shit, but are we going to go through your game tape with a fine-tooth comb? I don't love that. Now, Burford did have a great block on that throwback. I don't know if that throwback gets in the end zone,

if it's not for Burford making that block. I believe on a safety or Bolton, but he makes that block at the last second they get. getting the end zone. So all I mean to say is it just sucks when your bust, bust happens to be the last one in the game. And it sucks when the whole game is full of mistakes by, by, by the Niners. Every day that is past since the Super Bowl, I've been more in awe of the lack of, of on the ball that I saw from San Francisco, the attention to detail. So this Spencer Burford's not alone. Okay. The Chiefs won this game pre-stice.

snap. All game long, they went to pre-snap. They were more on the details. And that's the difference. And maybe that's part of, listen, people said to me, I was in, I was in a discussion about this with, with Dr. Faxx this week. This week, this past week is all about limiting distractions, keeping things as normal as possible. The head coach, that's a pre-snap penalty to me. You know, it's a, he's, he's not like he fucked up. He made the mistake on purpose. He said, he even asked three times the people, upstairs they're analytics guys are you sure are you sure we should take the ball out of overtime but the fact of the matter is it's even worse than making the wrong call that your team doesn't know the rules and you know as as times passed i've been thinking more and more about the fact that they didn't

go in overtime you know it's it's the nine yard line you got four yards to go i'd have made my third down call a fucking run play for two yards and I'd have picked it up on on fourth and two because here's the deal what makes that decision at the end of regulation to say we want the ball so risky is if you don't score a touchdown you are fucked Patrick Mahomes is inevitable so the only thing you can do is go down and score a touchdown right exactly so why not go when you're at the nine yard line because you know what the one thing would do if you didn't pick that up it'd actually do two things in overtime at that point sure there's less pressure on patrick mahomes but he's got one less down because he ain't going on

fourth down backed up at all they're going to be punting the ball to you if you play good defense and you get a short field and then you can go kick with jake moody and win the game but instead you kick the field goal and you give patrick mohams an extra down and the finality of it like you no, it's over if they go score a touchdown. And they got four downs to matriculate the ball down the field. I didn't like not going for it on fourth down there at all. And you say, hey, the chiefs were hot. Run me some numbers on how the chiefs play when they're backed up inside the 10-yard line.

You know what I'm saying? So anyways, I just think the more I'm thinking about it, I'm in disbelief at how undisciplined San Francisco was the other night. you know, Kansas City's mistakes because they were so visible and they had to do with the ball a lot of times, whether it was MBS running backwards or Pacheco dropping the ball or, you know, whatever it was. San Francisco made a lot of mistakes. I mean, they busted on that touchdown. A lot of people not talking about that touchdown.

Was it cover three? Was it cover four? They're so fucked up. I don't know. So they made a lot of mistakes. And for Feliciano or whoever wants to call out a teammate after. game like that. Pick on somebody your own size. Fucking call out the coach.

I don't see anybody doing that. I don't know if the apology was accepted or whatever. I don't mean to be in somebody else's business. But when you put it on X or Twitter, people are going to be in your business. That's why you keep in-house business in-house. That's why there's the same phone that you tweeted from. You could text that guy. And if you don't have his number, it's probably a problem.

Kind of explains a lot of the protection issues. But just getting back to the coach, man. I think Shanhan's a great coach in all. all that, but last week, Dan Campbell being too aggressive in the NFC championship, you'd have thought, again, that he was the dumbest coach of all time. Can you imagine if Dan Campbell took the ball to start overtime against Patrick Mahomes? Would he already be fired? Would people already be calling for him to be fired?

I don't mean to be hyperbolic. I just pick up on things, the narratives, the way people talk about certain coaches, the way they don't talk about other coaches. And I think Shanhan's a great coach. But I just disagreed with taking the ball in overtime, and I disagreed with not going for it down in the low red zone there. So, you know, maybe the reason that they were so tentative to run the ball in the third quarter, they came out with like six straight passes.

You're talking about getting the ball at midfield after a turnover, and you come out with six straight passes. You know, you could go for the kill on the ground. It all counts the same. I know Kansas City was doing a great job. up front. But you got to stick with it, right? You learned that lesson before. Kansas City did a great job when you watch back. Their game plan was basically to say, first and second down, this team, hard action, left to right, side line to sideline,

that hard zone action, a lot of eye candy. What we're going to do is we're going to cover these guys up. You know, we're going to run a four-man front, but it's basically going to turn into a bare front on the snap of the football. Two overhang guys setting edges. you know, you've got a pirate or, you know, a stunt where you get the, the bubble side end, the side, you know, where you've got the shade, the guy inside the guard and the big space between that guy and the end who's outside the tackle on a five technique. Basically on that bubble side where there's all that space, he's stunting that end

into that gap. And effectively, you've got two threes and nose and two overhangs. And so they were just covering guys up on early downs trying to put as many bodies in the run front, build a wall, keep the guy. guys behind them clean and those big guys inside played great the fucking depth guys guys everybody i mean they were down bodies they're not the most talented group to start with inside outside of christ jones but those guys play great 98 68 those guys you know the first play they ran on the ground in third quarter 69 i'm gonna learn his name by the end of the week

i'm afraid he's gonna come beat me up because that's a big debo looking some some of a gun built like a refrigerator was throwing dudes around, including Trent Williams in the run game. The first six plays were passes. I think they go high formation and he gets blocked down on by Trent and just hip tosses him. And maybe it was just that kind of deal. It was like something about the chiefs scares teams out of trying to commit to the run game. Two weeks in a row for an opposing team. Like in that stretch in the third quarter, that's when they lost that game. They lost it in those key downs late, but they also lost it not going up 17-0-0 in the third quarter. They go up 17-0 third quarter.

I think they win that game. But they botched their opportunity for a couple of possessions there, and they kind of went away from the run game, namely Christian McCaffrey. I think they had two runs before the one-minute mark in the third quarter, multiple possessions. So Spags, gaping these guys out. Sometimes it's simple, sometimes it's complicated. And when it was complicated, the guys on the back end may make great plays. we talked about those those pressures they had eight or nine unblocked pressures spags led the league

in producing those all year long and let me tell you i'm going to tell you one more thing about trent macduffy i realized they're watching the game but not until i hit the all 22 did i realize that trump mcduffy was in dbo's hip pocket the whole game i mean he was running routes for him and for trent mcduffy to come out of this game he's already like an all pro kind of guy but like he he should be a star now this is the kind of performance when you go back and watch it on tape you're like holy shit this guy's good and it's a reminder that debo's debo's not really a true wide receiver he's a Swiss army knife he's a great player but if you got to get him involved in the past game and they say McDuffie you're a racist guy that's what he did um and by the way

one of the biggest plays of the game, not just the past breakup early in the second in the end zone. The tackle to get George killed down, nobody thinks about this play. But at the end of regulation, that third and four was the biggest play of the game, or whatever it was, third and short to medium.

Games on the line. You get the McDuffie pressure, which basically, I took a picture of this front. It's a shit show. There's spinners everywhere. These guys just walking around. There's two linemen. There's like two linebackers.

Yeah, it's just, it's confusing. There's a lot of eye candy. He can't even get to his hot. We talked about it on inside the NFL today, like Shanahan's systems don't really have hots built in. You hit the slant. Iuk's got his hands out. He's looking for the ball.

That's one purdy's going to want back. Instead, he hits the outside slant. There's no space. But the point I'm making is there's no. No third and four with the game on the line. It's just moody kicking a field goal to win if McDuffie doesn't get Kittled down in the flat on second down. Go back and watch that tackle. Not an easy play.

If he slips a little bit, if he doesn't stick his foot in the ground, take a good angle, make a strong tackle on George Kittle, who's a big guy, powerful guy. He knows if he gets his first down and game's probably over. Second down, people don't think about stuff like that, but people made plays like that all game for Spags. And the more I watch back, Chanel, guys like that, role players stepping up, man. That's what winning the Super Bowl is about.

Guys like that have to step up. The Stars and McDuffie and Chris Jones and Sneed, they got to step up. But so does Carl Loftus. So does Chanel. So does big number 69. Mike Pinell, he bawled out. Guys like that.

Just there were a bunch of guys. And you can tell. Here's one great thing about Spags. When I was in high school, I was frustrated because I went to a private school. It was a good school and everything. But I got to be honest, they didn't, they taught to the front of the class. They taught to the smartest kids in the room.

And I was not a front of the class guy. So I got lost in the shuffle sometimes. The metaphor I would have is like, you know, Spaggs is in there. He's a teacher. He's teaching every corner of the room. He's teaching the depth guys. He's teaching the role players. He's teaching guys who might have to make those big plays that nobody's talking about.

He's teaching the guys that were snapping off inside a defensive tackle. to stop Christian McCaffrey a play before the overtime third down that gave Kansas City the ball back after that field goal. Like they're making the play before the play. Tons of situations like that. Hats off the spags. Does he want to be a head coach or not? I don't know.

But incredible this year. And a tip of the cap to Nick Allegretti on the other side of the ball. I know we're just talking about the Kansas City defense, but the kind of toughness he showed, I knew right when he did it. He got his arm jammed up between the slide, I think it was, or it was in the run game. He had somebody locked out and the line was going one way and his blockers going the other. And what happens is your arm gets caught in there.

It's like a trash compactor. Nick Allegretti fucked up his arm that play. He tore his UCL, which is less one on the ACL. And he played through it. Now, that's what the circumstance demands because you want to talk about. He's the depth. He's already the depth, you know? he didn't want to come out of that game.

He played a huge role. They're going to be guys that get forgotten in this whole thing. I think about guys in our Super Bowl run that everybody in town remembers, but outside Philly, people don't still talk about Cory Clement. They don't still talk about, you know, Nigel Bradham even. They don't still talk about, you know, Patrick Robinson. They don't talk about there's just so many guys on that team who weren't quote-unquote superstars. A lot of them are vets, a lot of them young guys that made big plays.

And when I think about the Chiefs defense, that's what it was all about. Spag's teaching to every corner of the classroom and the guys hearing it and making the plays in big situations. I already talked about Chanel. He made about 15 plays. So putting that Super Bowl to bed today, as you're listening, is Parade Day. It is the best day in your career. If you ever get a chance to win a Super Bowl, some of you at home are like, I don't even play.

But if you get a chance to win a Super Bowl, it is the best. There is no better day. And it's tough because for it to really be the day you want it to be, you got to get obliterated. I mean, I'm sure it's good sober. I've never done it sober. But the catch-22 is like, it's going to be kind of hazy. So bring a GoPro or something like that. You know me.

I'm not prepared. I didn't have anything. It's a blur in my head. but the memories I do have incredible and I cannot wait to see those guys enjoying themselves tomorrow. Maybe I get Ken Flageal to rock a GoPro tomorrow. I'll shoot them in text tonight. All right.

Well, the only other thing is this Justin Field stuff, which is popping up now. Vegas says, Vegas is saying, as of right now that Pittsburgh is more likely than Chicago. Okay. There's a lot of reasons why reports like this could be coming out. and I don't know exactly where it's coming from, but you know, you got to think about it. I'd be excited by this whole thing.

I mean, I really would. I don't excited anywhere they want to put Justin Fields because I'm going to be pulling for him and that sort of thing. But Atlanta was like a primo destination for him, and maybe they still are. But Arthur Smith is now in Pittsburgh. And I think that might have a lot to do with it,

but also the report is that Tomlin really likes Justin Fields. Like, obviously this is a fit schematically. But what you didn't know is that George Pickens Justin Fields were teammates in a high school seven on seven tournament. It's got to work. Also, a lot of great players, well, not great players, but a solid, a solid cast of characters there for him. If you had to weigh this cast of characters, Deonté Johnson, George Pickens,

Pat Friarmouth, Naji Harris, Jalen Warren, all under contract next year. How does that look compared to what he's had to deal with in Chicago? Now, the motivation for this news getting out or this little bit of, you know, like whatever. And by the way, this is way more cap friendly than some of the stuff I've already floated. Sometimes we get out here and we're like, it's fantasy land with the cap. But it could be Fields's agent putting this out, you know, make their guy look good, drum up some interest elsewhere. It could be, you know, it could be somebody who's Chicago adjacent trying to put that out because they know somebody else is horny to acquire fields and is playing hardball right now.

Well, if they know that somebody else, it's like, you know, it's like your ex-girlfriend or something. You're not even paying attention. And all of a sudden, she rides by with a guy that looks like a fucking surfer or something like in an Abercrombie fit back in high school. And you're like, oh, shit, I like her again. You know, it's that you drum up a little interest this way, you know, whose field's going to the dance with?

I thought he was going to dance with nobody. I was thinking about asking to dance to the last resort, but Pittsburgh's all excited. They might ask him to the dance. So there's reasons that teams kind of like drum up, intrigue and that sort of thing. And, you know, it could be Pittsburgh trying to, this is an interesting one.

Nolan brought this up. It could be Pittsburgh, you know, leaking something, trying to smoke screen people, thinking they're out of it for a drafted QB. when they're really trying to jump up for a QB and teams aren't counting having to jump them and that sort of thing. So this is the time that the information wars begin in the NFL. It's kind of interesting. And I never got my head fully wrapped around it.

But the Justin Fields, the Pittsburgh idea, I can see it in my head. I think it, I think it'd be fun. I think it'd be a fun addition to a really tough division that would only get more physical. Because when you think about Justin Fields and an offense that suits him, it's physical. So a special treat here. Obviously, we got a couple of interviews from last week that we haven't fired off. And we also have an open. Like we did me, Bo, my dad, Nate, we got together in front of the Tacoma there at the Toyota Media Center, the content center, if you will, where we were banging out content.

And we did an open. So I'll just let, I'll just let last week's me lead us into these interviews. we will be back Friday. Check these interviews out. Happy hump day. All right, we got a great show for you today. I've got all the guys up here that are going to be participating in the show.

Some of them are employees. Some of them are my dad. And I appreciate you. Is this pro bono? Yeah, it's pro bono. No, I got Toyota people can handle, you know, you're... So, I've read all the Toyota people.

They're great. Yeah, they're awesome. They are. The guy who runs Toyota is a dead ringer for you. Yeah, he is. He's got the same flat top. Matter of fact, three or four people called me by his name on the way in. He was cool as...

I said, no, no, no, I'm not with Toyota. He was cool as hell. But, all right, so here's the deal. We got a couple guests for you today. David and Joku. That was Nate and myself. We got to sit down with David and Joku. I think, and we talked about this,

the scary incident that happened to him this year. like we talk about playing hurt all the time. This is a totally different thing. You know, going through that fire, the burn that he endured, going out there and playing with it, he talked about it. You'll really enjoy hearing from him. He's funny as hell.

He's trying to drive the truck off the lot. He's like, where are the Toyota people? I want to talk to the Toyota people. I'm like, dude, David, I don't think you can do it. David was great. We had Orlando Brown. That was awesome. Me and my pop said that.

Big guy and understands, you know, that like football family thing. Play with Kyle. Yeah, you know, it's a different. He had a different perspective, you know, and it, it's one that, you know, I think his dad and I probably, you know, didn't anticipate. You know, when you have kids, you don't think, I don't look at myself in the mirror and see what everybody else sees, and I don't think it's a big deal. But, you know, what you have to endure as a son of an athlete, it's tough.

And it's who was he talked about it, which is really interesting. Love that guy. We also had probably one of my favorite guests we've had on, bar none, like, you know, you meet some people. Both said, I got a man crush on this. I got a new man crush. Puka Nakuwa. What a guy. Puganakua is, he's like a vet in a rookie's body.

Smart, cool, charismatic. He's got nice flows. But he's excited. Yeah. He's got passion. Yeah. You know, like. So enthusiastic.

You love it. He would have been so fun to play with you. You just sit down here and tell, like, he's, he's excited. He just brings, yeah, it's great name. Great name. He's going to talk about the reason behind that name. He talks about the etymology. Really cool.

And then lastly, who else do we have today? Anybody else, we forget, Howie Long? Yeah, how he's sitting here with us right now. So, Dad, I know we're all tired after that late night night. We all spent together the company trip to, he didn't go to the nightclub. Metro booming. He wasn't at Metro Boomer. The buzzers go off if I walk in a nightclub.

Stanford, Steve, Irish, goodbied us. Now your mom, she'd go to the nightclub. So you go to the nightclub with. So anyways, enjoy the show today. We just want to thank Toyota. I mean, podcasting in front of this Tacoma is like a little boy's dream here. I mean, if I get into this business and do a partnership with Toyota, I've been driving Toyota for years. Love the trucks.

I told them you could pull up at the gas station. You've got an old cruiser too. You could pull up in a gas station and a Ferrari. But when you pull up, I pull up in the FJ 40. everyone wants to look at the truck or buy the truck. And they trust you. Yeah. You're just trustworthy guy with a Toyota, man.

Especially a vintage Toyota. You got a sweet, you used to have a sweet FJ 40. 76. 76. You know, I got the 62. I got the ton drive, driven the cruiser. The whole thing. Kyle drives the Sequoia.

Yeah. Sequoia. Nice truck. And I want to thank Little Caesars. They've been with us all year. We did our preview today with Stanford Steve. And they send me something over tomorrow. I'll be watching the game at the hotel.

You want a pizza? Yeah. Oh, yeah, pizza pizza. Yeah. You want to hit the online pizza portal. Okay, I don't know how to get that. I've been doing the ad reads all year. I can set you up.

I can't get on X either. I don't know how to do that. That's a good thing. You don't want to do that. It's a hellscape. All right, well, so thank you to everybody who's at home watching. We hit some big milestones this past week. We haven't talked about this on the show, but YouTube hit 100K.

The cool thing about this week is, running into the guys, man. It's seeing guys you respect that you played against sitting here with Vernon Davis yesterday. I told him, I said my neck hurts and I think it's you, at least 30% is, you know, like banging heads with that dude. Saw Luke Wilson from the Seahawks. Seeing a bunch of great players walk through here. But I think it's also cool, the people at home who don't get to be here who are consuming this content,

you help us get to where we are to the point where we got cool trucks behind us and we're in the media center. this is just the first of many awesome Super Bowls the Green Light's going to do. Thank you at home. Thank you for anybody that came by the set and thank you to my esteemed colleagues here. Thank you, Chris. And the independent contractor.

What a crew. Yeah, what a group. What a group. Our fearless leader, Chris, what a week for us. Fearless leader. I ran into Bo with the sphere. Oh, yeah, they shared you. Hey, in one word, how was Bo doing at the sphere?

I think Bo was probably internally more paranoid than anything. Yeah. He looked like Bo. That's the way it works. You are freaking out, man. That is Bo. The sphere is a little overwhelming at times. The sphere, I tell you, it's pretty amazing.

The sphere when you walk in and you're sharing a suite with Howie Long unexpectedly, can be really stressful. We saw Adam Sandler there. Chris Rock. It was his birthday. The commissioner. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, Bo's chopping it up with the commissioner. What an interesting crowd.

Yeah, it was a fun group. And then it was your boy. We're playing blackjack, getting prime for the night. I'm like, what you up to, Bo? He's like, I'm going to you, too. I don't know where I'm sitting. He walks in, he's talking to Roger Goodell. Yeah, not quite what I was expecting.

It's a good thing you were retired. I had a great time. Okay, so enjoy the show, everybody. Thank you for listening, and thanks for the people that stop by. Enjoy the weekend. Thank you, Toyota. Thank you, little Caesars. This is cool, man.

We love watching this guy play. I used to wear the horns back in the day. Now they're the big show. They're in L.A. And they got these awesome rookies, man. And one of them, Pooka Nakua. A lot of fun to watch. And a big dude, man.

Yeah. A big dude. Welcome to the Toyota Content Center, man. How you doing? Life is good. It's been a good week out here in Las Vegas as well. Dude, I got to say, like, you deserve some sort of an award for offensive rookie of the year.

I mean, it's just like, C.J. Stroud is just. C.J. He's a quarterback and he's insane. But, bro, you had such an awesome year. I mean, you know, they're a lot of the year. They found you a little bit later in the draft, and I wonder for you when you realize, like, hey, I got it, bro. Like, I'm sure you're confident, but it takes, like, making a play in camp or something.

What was it for you? Yeah, 100%. One of the first practices in OTAs on, it was before camp. Number one is our corner who comes up and guard me. I get a rep with the ones. Matthew's throwing me the ball and it's like, I had a five yard in, like a, but I won. Beat him off the line of screen. It's smooth catch transition, made a move on the post safety, and I was just like, damn.

Like it clicked in my NFL. I was like, man, I don't know how if that was a five-yard route. I was like, it wasn't anything crazy, but I was like, damn, I beat the guy who was number one. If you're a corner playing number one, like, you got to be the guys. It's an NFL guy, dude. Yeah, exactly. So just my confidence was able to skyrocket from there and then everything he just kind of took off. Hey, on the other side of the corn, what about like a welcome to the NFL moment where you, you know, obviously that was a great rep for you and kind of a cool moment when you're like, hey, I belong.

Like, like, you know, you dream of playing the NFL, but was there ever like a more sobering thought where you're like, oh shit, like, I'm. I got my work cut out for me too. Like, I better work a bit. 1,000%. It was week one in Seattle. We have a crack toss play. And I'm pulling right behind our tackle car. So I'm cut split already.

And we had already done some stuff. Seattle's already calling me out. They don't see me hit a couple one blocks. So they're like, all right, watch the motion. Watch the motion. I'm like peeking out with my peripheral because Bobby Wagner's got the freaking dark visor. And I can't see where his eyes are at.

So I'm like, okay, don't give it away. Don't give it away. But I got to go. As soon as I go, like, I whip my head. the side like we're on the right hash and I can see like as soon as I point I'm looking at our sideline so I'm go I'm seeing and then I'm like I'm getting ready to insert on the other C gap and as soon as I like go to turn boom I get flat and I'm looking up at the sky and I'm like I bounce up the ground like three times and then we had a tackle for loss for like five yards

the de-tackle is like I literally look like this and I was in the air and I was like what in the world just happened and then like we're all in the huddle like yeah sorry we got hit on the pool and I was like well I got hit on the pool of you that's great come on man you to be an offensive lineman right you're exactly yeah dude he was a big body i just realized that like back in the day they told us you were like in peewee and growing up you were a tackle yes i was and it wasn't great i know so you got those pictures yeah they they are they're very interesting for sure what is pukkah mean as a nickname so uh my grandma's from western samoa and my grandma was the one who gave me that nickname but it means fat and chubby like here's like my child's unbelievable man

yeah but when dudes run up on you they're like man this is a big dude. Being a big body guy, man, I love the connection between you and Matt and Cooper because, you know, like, he's got that strong arm. He can put it anywhere on the field. And it's crazy

to me because he's older. He's got gray hair. But that arm is like 23. Are you able to, you just marvel at the throws he makes in practice in games? Especially, that was like one of the first thing. I mean, I know that everybody knows, like, especially being a new

era kid like the Patrick Mahomes no look but then it was like our in our team meetings like we're showing old lion's tape of Matthew ripping it and then every day I practice like whether he's extending the play just a little bit but you know he's not extended the play to run the ball he's waiting for you to get open because he's ready to absolutely rip that ball to you and he can't put it anywhere so it makes it so fun and then yeah with him and coop out there like the connection and their confidence just it makes everything a blast and you can't you can't kill Matt. Like, he's so tough, bro. I mean, y'all got a really tough team. I can tell

you're a dog, bro. Like, that's why we really like you, but Matt is just so tough. I've seen him take so many big hits. And then, you know, like seeing him in that Detroit game, which was such a physical game, bro. You could tell watching it on TV. Like, if you played in those games, you're like, man, these dudes

are out there thumping. They hit on Higbee, like, I hope he's good. I hope he comes back. The hit on Matt, and when he got up, I was like, you guys were just trading blows. Talk about the atmosphere in that game in particular because that's your first real taste of being on a stage like that. Yeah, 100%. It was the best environment as a competitor like that you want to be in like the whole place ruined against you. You rocking with the 53 guys wearing the same

uniform as you and you know like you were going to war with those guys and it was us versus everybody else out there. So it was a it was a great environment. I'm talking about wearing the huddle and like everybody's closed, Matthews down on the knee, looking up and I'm like I'm on like, I'm like laying the floor because I'm like I can't hear like the sound waves got to get to me somehow bro like our you know if coach McVease play calls are not short so I'm like he's out here reading like a page of a Harry Potter book and I'm like all right bro wait the what's the can bro you said that we have another play after that I'm like I'm like oh here we got 15 seconds and I'm like I have not you you didn't tag me I'm missing the whole play

and you want me to run out and get set dude like give me I'm dumb we're done well I don't want to say that Beau's really smart but our calls are like you know over Like hot heat They're actually different Hot heat We had a call in Philly We ran it probably like 30 times a game It was just jet 53

Get 53 bro Hey that's how quick I get my assignments So tell me give me like a Sean McVeigh play Like do you remember one that you can recite Like how long do they actually take to get out of mat We could go like Labrat to Wai Mo Southright clamp

Into kill Spider 2Wy banana. My ADHD, I'm already out. I'm like, I'm like, what? That's why I'd be sitting there sometimes. It's like, man, and when he doesn't tag me specifically, I'm like, oh, my gosh, it's just like a one word or where the whole everybody's supposed to remember it. I'm like, that's the worst play.

I hate those plays. And they're always good. Like, it's a great concept. And it's always set up. But I'm like, coach, you got to, you're asking me to remember where everybody else is doing and my route. Like, that's the number one. No, no.

But the details with him, like, what I've heard. beach what i've heard you know what up dude all the big bodies all the big bodies you look great yeah bro he looks great amazing so anyways like what i've heard about mcvay is the detail you know like if you're going to split here like a couple inches is going to make the whole difference you know like where you're aligned and then the motion the timing of it how detail oriented is is he and like what's an example of the exact science that it comes down to you're going to you know like what's an example of the exact science that it comes to with him. Yeah, 100%. It's like, you guys know with the schedule of like having a walk through before our actual practice and those walkthroughs for us, especially with all the motions.

It's so funny. I think what like, well, Coop got back week five and week six, we played the Cardinals. They ran a lot of like a three high cover four and Tampa two stuff. But with three, they played three safety. So we're like, we're doing all these man zone indicators and we're just like fake fly motion all the way across the field and then fly all the way back to outside the numbers and then run a shallow route. And it's like, all that. that's getting tagged in the play and coach McVeigh's like all right so if you don't if you do this first motion and we get the defender to fly with us okay we obviously got our man indicator but now we're going to can to play without like saying that we're going to can to play like we already know what we

got so we go and he's like then when he gets to talk about the run but the run play he's like I'm going to put you in a close split the two inches you cut is going to make the backer relate to you and the safety is going to come down and fit and the right guard's eye progression is going to go backer to safety so in order for you to be in your cut split you got to go you got your angle of like your takeoff angle has to be flat and right there now because that safety has a beat on you because our guards going out to the back are all the way over there so it's like him the way he talks about is absolutely insane i love that attention to detail but it's great you got a rookie here i know i'm not pumping his tires but this guy's a bet bro i know you're smart player man

and we love to play with this guy man he's got his stuff down and you got to in that offense man i mean all the details matter um you know when it comes to the run game i know you're a big body like you mix it up. Hell yeah. Is that a point of pride for you guys? 100%. I think it comes from our leader. That's Coupe, especially Coupe.

He does that all the time. And when you see the guy who's the triple crown winner catching up 20 touchdowns, going for 100 balls, going for almost 2,000. And then he's out there in the duo blocks, insert in the C gap and doing everything. So it's like, as a receiver, like, that's how you beat. That's the part of being a complete wide receiver. And that's who we see every single day. So it's like, oh, I have no option.

and then like no choice but to come in, like, accept that role of like, I'm here to be a part of the run game. If the leader's doing it, you got to do it too. I got a question for you. So obviously with Cooper, it's, you know, as a young player coming into league, you find these guys that you emulate and you try to learn as much as you can from them, like, you know, steal little parts of their game, learn all their tricks and, you know, just kind of grill them and learn from them. So you have that in Cooper on your team, in your locker room, in your meeting room. But is there anyone else across the league that you want to, you know, try to emulate or you model your game off? You're like, hey, I really like this guy as a player. I see a lot.

Like, I want to take some of his game. Yeah, I love watching Justin Jefferson and actually Mike Evans. Yeah. So Mike Evans was one of the guy, my, one of my college teammates show me. He's like, man, I think you like you would like Mike Evans. So somebody who's super physical guy, but also can run every route you ask him. A wide receiver gets moved in the inside, moved on the outside. Catch radius.

It's absolutely insane. And like, yeah, somebody who like involves like epitomizes like being a physical. Yeah. Every part about what he does is physical. and I love watching him. We were saying yesterday, Mike, like, when he's trying to beat guys off the line and press corners and stuff, he's almost hitting, like, D-line pass-rushing moves. That's the thing.

There's a lot of commonality in what you guys doing, what we do. 100%. I would love that if I could play another position. Let me rush the edge. Let me stand out. Go on over to the dark side. It's speed to power. Let me do a release.

I'm going to double you up. And as soon as you set your feet, I'm going to run right. Yeah, because that's the one thing you don't get to do for as long. Like, we get to push them all the way back into the quarterback. Yeah, that's why I've got my coach always. He's like, man, you lineman's wide receiver. You guys, you guys work edges, work edges. But that's what my coach always says as a wide receiver is supposed to work edges.

But he's like, poop, you can't just run down the middle of these guys. I'm like, coach, he's too little. I already got him. I used to tell bow. Set his feet. Bull rush. I used to tell Bo. I was like, you know, attack half man, buddy.

330 pounds. Hey, talk about a defensive lineman here. We can't, we can't have you on here without asking you about, in my opinion, this single scariest guy I've ever ever play with. And he was a rookie. Aaron Donald. He is. I have a funny story.

We had 40 rookies during the OTAs and stuff. I see AD working out over there. He's got the lifting coach with him. Coach Love it. He's just working out by himself. He's probably been there. We had the conditioning test, and then we had to come do the rookie test.

But he's been lifting this whole time. So it's like two hours. We're in there, and he's about there. He's got the 180s or somewhere by the dumbbell, the dumbbell rack. Rose with 180? Doing rows with the 180. I don't see him. I have my back.

doing the massage gun on my shoulder about to get ready for the workout and all I hear is move and I'm like I dropped the thericun like jump and I turn around his AD and I like I move and I'm like I guess I didn't move out the way enough because I just turned around and like just started doing the gun on the other side he said move again I I ran out the weight room I ran I ran out the weight room I act like I had to use the bathroom when I came running yeah literally I don't blame you dude that's how he got here he just ran there was so much fear filled I was filled with so much fear Just he's so, he's such a great dude. Oh, you know, I'm sure he's a great vet, but he's so, he can be so violent.

Yeah. You know, and he can control that violence in a way that nobody I ever played with could. You talk about the handwork? Oh, my. I mean, it's like. Precision is unreal. It's moving a million miles an hour. And then this, you know, I don't know if you've seen this yet, but do not.

If you're an offensive lineman in practice, just it's not worth the last shove. No. Oh, never. Bro, it ain't worth it. You got the wrong one. Yeah, one of our rookie guards, Steve Avila. He actually played all over every snap. So Steve is the man, but I know we were talking about how it was for him,

like the first, like, pad to practice during training camp, we're going against AD. Like, he's like, bro, I thought they should cut me. He's like, I'm terrible at football. Like, I should never put the pads on ever again. You feel that way. Welcome to the NFL moment. That's a tough matchup for him.

It'll make you feel that way if you play with him on the D-line because I remember one of the training camp open practices. We were running like three-man fronts. and I was defensive end and I had like a little ding so I ran off to get some treatment AD trots out there and he's dogging the guy that's been blocking me

he's like the best edge rusher I've ever seen you know what I did I limp my ass back out there I was like you ain't getting my reps buddy when it comes from like AD you obviously see him every day but how about a guy that you were like oh that guy's the truth whether it's a defensive lineman or a linebacker or a corner that you played this year and you were like

that's that dude. I may be a little biased, but just because he's a BYU alumni, and he's also placed for the other team that we don't really like that up. But Fred Warner, I mean, I, Fred played with my older brother at BYU, so I saw Fred when he was wearing number 34, and nobody really knew who Fred was yet. So it's been, obviously, I haven't seen his journey. He's been absolutely crazy, but I remember we played them week two,

and I got tackled, and he was like, yeah, poop. Like, I got tackled by three dudes. Yeah, he's on top of being on. like the best linebacker in the game. He's like, yeah, Pook, I got you, dog. And I'm like, I can't breathe. Can you hurry up, please. Get off me, bro. Did your brother play for Bronco? Yes, he did. Yeah, I know Bronco, because he was at Virginia for a while. Yeah. And I still talk to him a little bit. He's the man. Great guy, dude. Great guy. My brother, yeah, my brother, is Kalani was my brother last year. Yeah, I know he had the whole staff

out there, but you know a bunch of the same guys, yeah. So you talked about Fred Warner, a great player. And one thing I love about your game is like your toughness. You're not afraid to, you know, catch the ball in the middle of the field, give physical. So what's it like when you know that that's going to be a huge role for you, you know, on game day and then, you know, understand that there's guys like Roquan Smith, Red Warner, just lurking over there in the middle of the field.

Yeah, it's definitely not an easy one. I live in the sauna in the cold town. Like, after Sunday, like I'm just sitting there. It's like if I'm not playing video games, I'm sitting in that spot because I need it. Hey, I'm happy you brought that up, actually, man. I know I'm a big gamer myself. Oh, yeah, this is the good one.

I want to talk to you about that. What's your, what's your, what's your, like, are you a PC gamer? Are you on PS5? I have PS5. I just got a PC, though. And, oh, my, it changed my. It's a whole new world, bro. You play Madden?

I do. I just barely started recently. Can we play a game at some point, you and me? I'm going to get your tag? Yeah. Because I'm going to work you with the Rams. I'm going to beat you with you. Because, hey, I'm, I've dubbed my kid the other day with Pooka and Cooper.

Yeah, bro. I love to hear that. Y'all are too smooth. I get the, I get the McVey playbook. It's lethal. It's crazy. What else you. play? I play the Warzone Resurgence and then I dabble a little bit of Fortnite. I've been trying to

get into some new game. I know people have like a lot of interactive game. You get a steam deck. Yeah, I have a steam deck, which is like I play PC for like mobile gaming when you're traveling and stuff. But I play a lot of Overwatch. Ooh, okay. Which is like a weird fucking game, but I think you like it. You ever play Apex then? Okay. I used to dabble on Apex. But I remember the guys got small. And then I used to the rope guy. I thought he was O. Finder. Yeah, yeah. You guys are really nerd now. lost me when he got to like overwatch. I'm shielding up over here. Yeah, I put one disc in and it stays in for like two months.

I just play the same game. Well, Chris is joking, but his kids are nasty at Switch. I go to his house and he's got. Oh, they'll run you in 2K. I'm a seven-year-old. He'll run. He's like, he's good. He did a Euro step in basketball in real life last week.

He didn't get it for me. He just, he picks it up off of the Duke. No, he got that from Meg. Yeah, he got it from Meg. You got it from my wife. How about how about your favorite stadium that you've played in this year, like a road stadium what was your favorite trip uh lambo i grew up a package fan and that yeah so that was that was surreal it was absolutely it was actually a good green bay day too it was we got a little bit

of rain but it was like just it was cold but it was cloudy no rain it was it was sweet do you like playing in the cold with your background to like b yu and stuff i actually do i love because i actually love wearing the little ski mask and stuff i think it's cool it's the best to have that under your helmet it's way better than all the photos and stuff but then you also like when you're talking trash You can't see anything. It's like, I can move my helmet, but it's also like I'm running, so my helmet's moving anyway. But now I have nothing, like my whole mouth is covered. I can unload.

Like, do you. How does the lettuce work on game day with the hair? Because you've got good lettuce. Oh, yeah. I got to take the bun out and stuff. And I just let it all just slick back over there and a little bit of a flow. Are you going to keep growing it? I think so.

It's been tough. I have almost a year. From my combine trading to, yeah, from. Keep growing up, man. Hey, we love talking to you, bro. Hope you come on again. guys awesome man man nothing but great things my old rams buddies uh continued success man and good luck to you yeah i'll make sure i tell big rob i met the i met the o gs yeah a couple washup dude

absolutely man we'll get we'll see on the sticks yes sir on the sticks it'd be fun all right let's roll come easy go little high little low like that bass booster all right we got david and joku who's turning into one of the best tight ends in the league, man. And we love your game, bro. You block, you do all dirty work. You know, like, you got to do that in that offense. But it's fun watching with the ball in your hand, man. So congrats on a great year, individual accolades and everything.

And thanks for coming on the show. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I appreciate the support. You guys are the best. What did you think, man, when you pull Flacco off the street? Like, what was the honest opinion? Honestly, when I saw, I saw on Instagram.

that we got him. Yeah. And then I saw him in the training room, and I kind of like, like sized him up. You know, he was on the Ravens for so many years. I think my rookie year,

he beat me. Yeah. So I had to make sure that he wasn't like an undercover op, you know, but he was awesome. He was a blessing for sure. Good teammate. You could tell guys,

connect him. Gosh, I'm actually going to call him after this. He's see what he's doing later. Is he here? He is. Guys like me and go, same draft class.

We can't stay out too late. Hey, nah, you ain't see Flaco. Flaco's a beast. Yeah, He's a beast. He's a beast. Talk to me about, like, how great that offense is for you. I feel like, I feel like I see so many plays where you guys dial up play action and you're such a weapon in that part of the game.

Working in sync with the O-line and everything. How great is Kevin as a play caller? I know in the beginning maybe it wasn't, like, a perfect fit, but, like, eventually you guys really caught on. So what's he all about and how does the run game feed you? You know, I will say this. In our offense, it really takes all 11 for everything to work. Right. I think my favorite play of the year wasn't really any of my touchdowns. It was the play against the Ravens when it was a run and the whole team was pushing, you know, to get that first down. You know, that really just shows how much, number one, how much we care about each other and how much we want it to win.

You know, the playoff game, you know, it really. really didn't seem real, you know, because I just, like, it was so much adversity and so many things we overcame throughout the year, you know, and it was just, it was tough, but, you know, God is good. You feel me? Like, I hope, like most of us left, finish the season, you know, not hurt, not injured or anything. So, you got, you just give glory to God. I bumped into Miles yesterday.

That guy's bigger every time I see him. Defensive player of the year. Yeah, dude. Congrats to Miles. You got. You got. You're the goat, man. Don't want anyone tell you different, all right?

No other team. C, you're the goat. He's a beast, dude, and you got to... Where's TJ at? TJ. I ain't talking shit. I'm just asking where he's at. You got to block Miles in practice.

What's that like? I've been doing that for about seven years, you know? Me and him are going on on the eighth year, and it feels like yesterday we're rookies. Yeah. I will say this, you know, and I really don't like sharing this story, but for you guys, I can. You're the man.

My rookie year, I was about 240, you know. And at the time, you know, we would have, in camp, we would have, like, you know, one-on-ones blocking. Yeah. So I would go against, you know, one guy, whatever. And then I finally had to go against Miles. When the ball was hiked, he picked me up from the ground. And he really could have, like, you know, the WD move, let's say the rock bottom. Rock bottom.

Where you go up in the air? Yeah. He really could have slay me like that, but he placed me down. I was like, yo. Oh. Was that even worse? I was like, you know what, yo? I have to work at this.

I can't be seen doing this, you know. But, you know, he is the elite. I don't think he's the best D.N. I've ever won against, you know. He's incredible. He's like Julius Peppers. He's our generation's Julius Peppers, man. For sure.

That's a great comparison. He's really one-on-one right now. And J-O-K, one of my favorite players to watch, dude. What makes your linebacker so good? I feel like they play him fast forward. You know, JOK is so interesting. You know, he's the first and only linebacker I've seen that is completely vegan. Really?

Yeah. Completely vegan. He doesn't eat no meat, no dairy, whatever. And he's so explosive. Yeah. You know, even though he's, you know, lighter a little bit. Like, the plays that he makes is like, it's not normal. Like, I really believe he's making his way to be elite as well.

So I'm so glad that he's on our side, you know. He's an awesome dude as a person as well. And, yeah, go brownies. So going back to Joe, when he got there mid-season, how was it trying to find a groove with him? Like, trying to get in the groove with a quarterback and make the playoff. Trying to get into the groove with Joe, with Joe. No, yeah, for sure. The first game was the Rams, you know, I really didn't have like a great game.

Actually, there was one play where I should have had like a 30, 40-yard game, but I'd step out of bounce. Like a D-head, yeah. But, no, that chemistry happened just like that, you know. And it was almost like I knew when he was throwing it to me before the ball was going to snap just because, like, it was more like a feel. But, no, we definitely had fun, you know. Hopefully he stays in Cleveland. Yeah.

And he made some plays off script. I was like, damn, dude, he'd break in the pocket. 30 years old. Look at your show. Please, take it easy. But the Houston, the first Houston game, bro. Yeah. I called it the most beautiful game of catch I've ever seen between him and Coop.

And it was like, y'all didn't have a kicker. So you were like, sorry, I got to. I was trying to kick it. I got to go on fourth and eight. Sorry, we're just going to convert again. You were really, you were trying to kick the ball. Oh, I was trying to kick it, dog, and Kevin wouldn't let me. You know, honestly, I just need to show him in practice that I can kick it,

and then he'll trust me in the game. I mean, whatever you can do. I don't know if you know that he was an all-star in high school in the high jump. And we got the Olympics coming this summer. Do you think there's any events that you think you can probably compete in right now? I mean, I guess all I happily is the high job, isn't it? It's a high job. Maybe long and triple, but I would bet on high.

I can at least get like six six right now, at least. Damn, dude. Yeah. So you're here with Stan. You know, like obviously you had a scary moment this year. And I was feeling for you, man, because, like, I don't know. It was so personal because it's like it's your face and the whole thing. and you're like, you're probably really afraid

of how it's gonna heal up and all that stuff. And then you gotta go play. Like, how painful was it and how mentally trying was it to go through that? And what can you tell people who might be dealing with the same type of situation? You know, I'm not trying to sound crazy, but it was probably one of the most exhilarating times of my life.

Really? I'll tell you why, because, you know, obviously, like, as a football player, you play football your whole life, you know it's a football game. But that game, it really felt like a battle. like we're modern day gladiators you know and uh it was a rush it was it was a very very exhilarating unfortunately we weren't able to to win because if we won it would have been that much better but um after the game i took off my helmet because my helmet was on the whole time yeah from the start to finish

the halftime it was on when i took it off my face was torn up you know and i just all you can do is laugh because yeah you you you overcame what people thought you wouldn't so yeah god is good I'm blessed, you know, for sure. Yeah, man. We were thinking about you. I'm really glad you were all right. And, you know, I seriously, hats off for taking the field because I'm putting myself in your shoes and I've never been through something like that. You know, we're used to playing with injuries like, you know, MCL, shoulder, whatever.

But that's a different deal, bro. Thanks, buddy. Yeah, man. No, really, for real. Thank you so much. Yeah, yeah, for real. Inspiring, man. It's just, you know, I'm just glad that we were able to use this platform.

to help others. You know, it was so many DMs and just texts that I got from burnt victims that were scared to show and they showed because I showed. So whatever it takes, you know, at the end of the day, we're being together. Yeah, that's really dope. That's together. That's dope, man. Yeah, no, for real, dude. Thank you for talking about it. Hey, last thing I got for David and Joku here in front of this beautiful Toyota, which I think you could jump over. Yeah, it's yours. Real? No, Puka tried to drive it off the lot, bro. What, what, what can I do to? Oh, Toyota folks, what can he do? What can he do?

What can I do? A lot. No, but for real, Toyota, what can I do to take this car? Like, seriously? She works on her phone. She's like, I don't even care. No. Toyota, what are we doing to get David and Joker?

Is there a name? Is there a name that we know? That works at Toyota. Toyota? We're just going with Toyota. David, thank you for the time, bro. Appreciate you. And good luck.

You guys. You guys are awesome. Thank you. Yeah. All right, this is the biggest dude we've had on the set. A lot of body. You got a presence. What I really want to find out is if you can fit in the Tacoma.

And if he can fit in the Tacoma, anybody can. So come check this beautiful truck out. And we've got Orlando Brown here as well as my pops, Howie Long. A lot of football family stuff here. Yeah. I think that's where I want to start because, you know, we got a lot of connections with my brother. You play with Kyle. Kyle loves you.

Yeah, I love Kyle. I love Kyle. I talk about you all the time. But, you know, you guys were able to connect on the shared experience. of having some pressure on you and coming from an NFL family. What's that been like? How has it shaped your experience? Yeah, it's had a huge shape, you know,

because you understand, man, your dad was a great player in this league. And when the standard is that high and the shoes are that big, in terms of the way that you approach the game, it has to be so much different, you know, because you got to go be better than this guy. Yeah. And, you know, that's really hard. It's hard to get there.

It's even harder to make. and be better. Yes. You know, and so the stress that that created, I found a lot of peace in that. It really helped me become the player that I am today. A lot of talks with me and Kyle sharing those type of thoughts and moments, man,

because, you know, it's hard. You know, it's hard to maintain the expectation and standard, but, you know, you get the job done. It is what it is. So you end up in Sensi this year. Yep. You go from one great quarterback to another one. What are the differences and similarities that make Joe and Patrick

who they are. Yeah, I think in terms of similarities, man, when you have a quarterback that's a great leader, that's obviously so important. You know, when you've got the quarterback that knows how to relate to the guys in the building, relate to the men in the room, those are so important,

and those are the qualities that they share. You know, where they differentiate, I would say, Pat's got, you know, somewhat of that Michael Jordan-like effect in terms of the way that he approaches the game, you know, and how intense every single moment is with him as a football player in the practice field or in the meeting room, you know what I mean?

He's very, very, very in tune and in the moment, you can say. And then I really always appreciate the thing about Joe Shicey is I really appreciate how emotional he is in the moment. And it's never too high, it's never too low, it's always on time. And, you know, I think about the moment where he calls a draw play, he checks to a draw play against San Francisco. He goes and slides, gets the first down, gets up beating his helmet. Y'all can't mess with me.

the whole deal, you know what I mean? And those type of things, we feed off of that as a team. And even in our losses, we lost in Tennessee this year. He's the first guy to speak up in the locker room before the coaches and everything. And so that's the thing that I really appreciate about Joe, man, is just his emotional time. And dad, if we had to rush Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow, I think we'd rush him way different. Yeah. You know, totally, totally different. The way they move in the pop. Yeah. And I, you know, Elway would be a guy that probably was similar. And I think he'd be a problem in today's game. He'd be a guy that would translate really well. The question I have for you is, and I don't have that perspective, I've talked to Kyle a little bit about it, but when you're

protecting Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow, you know, you have a lot of pressure on you anyway in the position that you're playing. How much more added pressure is it when you've got to protect Patrick Mahomes and your guy? Yeah, so much added pressure, man. You know, you don't want to be the You don't want to be the guy. You don't want to be the guy. And, you know, even more so nowadays with social media, I mean, you know, back when you played, it wasn't necessarily social media. So, you know, your mistakes were maybe not as magnified.

They're magnified. Yeah, magnified. Everybody has an opinion and they're owed that. There's 3,000 shows on during the week. Yeah, exactly. We're part of the problem here. Yeah. We are.

But it is hard. It's hard. You know, like even when I got in the league, there was no, there wasn't as much depth of analysis available to everybody. Yeah. And, you know, with that comes some responsibility. I think what's frustrating about probably being an offensive lineman is sometimes we don't know what your assignments are.

Yep. And we don't know what the play is. And we don't know really a lot of times y'all get blamed for a sack, but somebody's bailing to 10 yards. Yeah. And you get blown up that way and that sort of thing. Or, you know, and I see it as a defensive lineman, I see quarterback could easily just step up. Yep.

Yeah. Just step up. Trust the interior of the pocket. Yep. And don't, don't, you're doing exactly what you're supposed to do and you give a sock. Yeah. And, you know, those type of things happen. That's part of football.

You know, if I give up a sack on a screenplay, hell, it's like, man, I hate that happen. But, you know, I guess whoever, he saw the linebacker in man coverage. He would have made the play, held the ball an extra second. Now we got a sack, you know. So it happens. You know, it's part of the sport. But, man, I just, I feel like the added pressure of having a block for a Pat Mahomes and a Joe Burrell is definitely very stressful because you want to keep these guys clean.

No matter who is your quarterback. is, but your quarterback's worth half a million dollars? I think it's, I would think it would be definitely different. Oh, yeah. With those two guys. And Kyle says Mahomes is the closest thing he's seen in Michael Jordan. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I use the same example, man. I just, I feel like when, like, Pat's approach to the game is so unique and it's so consistent, you have to give them that. You know, I mean, what is it? Six straight AFC championships? I mean, that's so hard to do, you know what I mean? It's so hard to even. get into the playoffs, let alone make six straight AFC.

Every year. Every single year. And, you know, we can say, oh, he plays on a great team, all this stuff, very true. Great coaching staff, Coach Reed. But, I mean, man, I mean, Pat is that engine. You know, you take him off that football team. You know, I don't know. You know, it was interesting because we were looking at San Francisco, we were talking about a little bit. Seven weeks ago, if you asked me, who's the team you trust the most?

Yeah. I'd say San Francisco. Yep. Who's a team, one of the team, top teams that you don't trust? seven weeks ago, it's Kansas City. Yep. It's drops, it's tackle play. It's, you know, whatever it is. Drop balls, missed assignments, penalties, the whole thing.

And it's kind of flipped a lot. You know, where San Francisco suddenly on defense, seven weeks ago, there were 90 yards a game, 185, I think, last week versus Detroit. And I think what I saw at the end of the year is we talk about the mental and physical strain of being in the championship game every year, going to the Super Bowl that many time.

Look at the Eagles. Just on one year where they got to get back. I mean, they fell apart at the end of the year. Right. And the one thing I looked at, I'll take Travis, for example, you know, you get up there a little bit, that week off, they held him on in week 18.

Yep. He looked so energized and different in the playoffs. Now, I don't know whether that's a byproduct of the playoffs or getting that week off. Yeah. I want to say, you know, and you've been around the game, So, you know, in the sport, you never want to peek too early.

You know what I mean? You always want to peak at the right time. We kept waiting for them to peak, though. Yeah, we were. And so I feel like it's happening. You know what I mean? At the right time. And we saw it against Baltimore in the AFC championship, man.

I mean, the way that that Kansas City team played in that game, I mean, that's huge. Kyle, Chris was dying on that hill. Oh, I was dying on that hill. All year. I'm saying they're going to be there. They're going to be there. They're going to be there. and people were just killing it.

I had to sit there taking shit from everybody, my friends, co-hosts. They were all like, you idiot. And, you know, I watched the Raiders game, and I'm like, guys, guys, just wait. But I think there's something to having that untold advantage of being able to improve through a year because you have that coach and you have that quarterback and he's going to get guys on the same page.

Exactly. NVS drops the ball against the Eagles. He gets up at the podium and he blames himself. He says, I could put that ball a little bit out in front of him. And then he does it on third and nine to beat the Ravens. You know, and the thing is, that's exactly what it is. The thing that was frustrating and, you know, having the perspective of Kyle, having played with him for a year and saying, you know,

when your best guys are your best players. Yeah, yep. It makes a huge difference in the locker room. Patrick always, I don't know whether it's a byproduct of being around Andy. Yeah. Or having a dad that played pro baseball or what. He had the one week where he got frustrated with the official. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And people just killed him. Yeah, they did. I was like, did he just, what did he just do? What did he do? Like, what was that? He had a moment. Yeah, the thing I would say about Pat that a lot of people don't know is he really studies, like he studies the position, like he studies the Roger Stalbacks, like their mental makeup

and what it, what makes the, what made him such a great quarterback, what made John Elway such a great quarterback? You know what I mean? What made Joe Montana so good? And he asked those. questions and he talks about those things. And so because of that, that allows him to really maximize, you know what I mean? Who he is

as a pro and a quarterback to be able to lead guys in that locker room. So let's talk about the players in this game because you played against all these guys. Oh, yeah. Some really great defensive linemen. But I think when you talked about, you know, San Francisco and giving up a lot more

on the ground in the playoffs, I think part of it is the game script. You know, teams jump them. And if you jump the Niners, you can run the ball on them. Yeah. Because they're going to try to stop the run with a light box, right? Yep, yeah, they are. And I thought you guys jumped them in San Francisco. I thought that was one of the most complete games I saw any offense play this year.

Yeah, yeah, man. Like, what's the key? We had a really good plan. And so we also matched up really well with personnel. Like, I'm trapping the hell out of Eric Armstead. You know what I mean? We're running tackle traps. Big on big.

Yeah, hell yeah, man. It's like we matched up really well in terms of personnel. In the scheme that we were running, it was somewhat of a old-school style of play. tackle traps gap scheme stuff not not much zone in the past game making sure that we're giving them proper time and then really taking advantage of them in that in that low red zone area you know I think we had a really good plan going into it man what what it was man hard to say I just I feel like we we played our asses off we were really focused that week one of our best weeks of practices all year we had a healthy Joe Burrow and something else you got to do as a quarterback you got to be

able to scramble against this defense. Yes. And if you can improvise, if you can scramble and get those first downs on third and extend those plays, great things are going to happen. And another thing is that if you have one more dynamic pass catcher than they have covered coverage, which you guys give that problem to a lot of people. Oh, big time. We'll see what happens with T in the off season.

But just having that second and third guy, they're not that deep outside. Yeah. You know, and they don't travel their corners. So you can get the matchups you want with motion. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I agree. I agree. I think, you know, we were kind of able to take advantage of that stuff because, like you said, we got a three-headed monster. Yeah. I don't have a four-headed monster with Joe Mix, man. So, I mean, we got a lot of players on the field. It's really hard for them to match up, know what's coming. And then we're trapping the hell out of here. We got a lot of motions. We got a quarterback scrambling on third and eight, getting a first down, staying on the field, extending plays, improvising first downs out of outside the numbers.

It was just like this. Exactly. It was just chunks, man. Exactly. And we stayed out of what's important to when you're dealing with this type of pass rush and this type of scheme, you do not want to be in third and five, 38. You don't. You want to be in third and three, third and two, staying ahead of the change. And I think the way that Coach Reed's been calling these games with the way they're using Isaiah Pacheco, you know, I know Pat's going to be giving his all, so I'm sure he'll scramble for a few first downs. I like him. I like him. I'm sure you do too. You know what I find interesting about Patrick and maybe you can speak to this when he had Tyreek, when Tyreek was. at the peak. There's a lot of explosive plays. Then people went shell and they said, we're going to force you to go eight, nine, ten plays. Early on in that process, Patrick looked like he was eating beats.

Taking the checkdown. Or making the short throw. Then he kind of, as the year went on, he started buying in. And then Tyreek left and the offense changed. Patrick has evolved to he's been three different kinds of quarterback. Yes, yes. And that's what great players do.

You know, like we talk about you. That's what you did. You know what I mean? As the game translated into maybe a little bit more of a past, heavy style of play, better quarterbacks, you know, for the time when you played, you were able to, you know, transition into, you know, moving outside, all of that type of stuff. Like that's important.

And so, man, I think that's what Coach Reed and Pat did a great job of, man. It's really just implementing their own style of. play within the game. You know what I mean? You got Coach Reed calling, what, 30-something runs? I don't know if we ever did that. Here's another big guy question. What are you guys thinking at tackle when Chris Jones walks out there? Oh, man. Oh, my gosh, man. Like, so, you know, I was there. My first year in Kansas City was the first year that they, you know, were practicing them outside. Kicked him outside. kicked him outside. So all training camp, I'm seeing Chris Jones every day. And I'm like, which is totally different. Oh, my gosh.

than any, he's, I don't know how he does what he does. Yeah, it's, it's a unique style because he kind of rushes with his head out of it. Upright. And he doesn't lean. So, so. And suddenly you get. Yes. And so, it's so many different things.

Like when I play against him, even this year, like there was a few reps. Bro, once I get my hands on him, I'm trying to snatch his ass to the ground. I'm not, I'm not going to sit here and try to wrestle and titty bump this guy. Like, there is no, he's too strong. too big. I'm going to try to wrestle him soon and get his momentum going in a certain direction and kind of go from there. But he rushes with his head out,

and his hands are so quick and accurate, he's strong as hell, and then his shoulder pads are loose and shit. It's like, I don't know, man. He's like, he's so quick off the ball, too. Running upright. Yeah, he is. He is, man. It's interesting. He's got a good speed rush, too. Yeah. The ins, you know, I always say to Kyle, stay inside out.

Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. Stay inside out. I don't know that inside out necessarily applies to Chris Jones. I agree. I agree because there's times that you stay too inside out. He's going to just attack that outside via the neck and shoulder and press you and pry you open and take the edge with power. And then there's other times where you get too far outside. He's double swiping you and already on the quarterback's toes. Can you jump set him out there?

I mean, you can try it. I'm not a guy. Like if I see a detackle, yeah, you can't miss. If I see a detackle coming to rush me outside, I'm not jumping you because I just feel like I don't know. I feel like something about that plays into their style of play. Yeah, yeah. They want to be in the phone booth. Yeah, hell yeah.

So, like, I don't like that. You know what I mean? I normally, I'll just take my normal set and just kind of play with it from there, man. But I don't, the inside out technique is definitely something. You got a change. Staying inside out. Right. All right, man.

Orlando Brown. Good to see you, man. Good to see you, man. Appreciate it. Appreciate you guys. with my plan.