Green Light with Chris Long - Rich Eisen! Michigan's Victory, Harbaugh's Future, NFL Across the Globe & Mike Vrabel Fired in Tennessee

Episode Date: January 10, 2024

Rich Eisen, the happiest victor, joins Chris Long on the Green Light Podcast! We start with Chris talking about the head coaching vacancies in Tennessee and Atlanta, proposing that Mike Vrabel might find his way north to coach his former team in New England. Rich joins to discuss Michigan's championship, finding out the surprising news of Mike Vrabel's firing live on TV, some of most interesting interviews all time and the future of the NFL across the globe. And we end by discussing our favorite bands at Bonnaroo 2024. (00:00) - NFL Head Coaching Vacancies: Mike Vrabel's Future and Who Should Atlanta Hire? (34:10) - Rich Eisen on Michigan, NFL Media, Mike Vrabel and Jim Harbaugh (1:20:54) - Bonnaroo 2024 This podcast is brought to you by Cash App. With multiple tools for saving, spending, and sending, Cash App is the easy way to stay in control of your money. Cash App is a financial platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partner(s). Make sure to check out Fax and the King every Wednesday on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaxAndTheKing Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Send any Talent Search submissions to: [e-mail] Include any video of your talents, takes and bits as well as a little bit about yourself. Love hearing from the Green Light fans. Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. https://paddleva.com/ Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And, you know, again, I understand where Michigan standing is in so many people's minds. You know, we have a thousand and four wins now all time. And yeah, but how many banners do you have? How many championships do you have? You don't really belong in the conversation of elite football programs because it's all empty calories, all those wins. Now you can't say it. Can't say it. And certainly Harbaugh being the one to do it in this day and age of name, image, and likeness,

and transfer portals and how recruits. is changed. And again, now it's going to change in terms of the way a college football playoff stage is set. It just does feel like an end of an era and that Michigan won the last game of that era. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. Hail to the victors. Today, the victor being Rich Eisen, because he joins us in virtual Studio J with a national championship in tow. The Michigan Wolverines were victorious the other night over Washington, and Rich has been a stoked man ever since. We talk Michigan, we talk coaching vacancies,

we talk breaking the Mike Vrabble news to Taylor-Lwan live on air on Tuesday. We talked some of Rich's wildest interviews. What he thinks might happen to Jim Harbaugh next season, in the future of the NFL, where are they going to expand? He did a bunch of games across the pond this year. Does he think he might have a few more next season? We have a great time with Rich. congratulations again.

Before Rich jumps on, Chris talks about those coaching vacancies we discussed. Mike Rabel being the biggest surprise. What the Titans might do next? What can the Falcons do to replace Arthur Smith? And at the end of the show, the Bonaroo lineup dropped. We review it. We talk the bands that you're going to want to see if you're making the trek out of Bonarue. And Chris wonders if he can still make it.

Can he do a Bonarue trip? We don't know. He might downgrade himself to Doubtful this year. Check it all out. We'll catch you on Friday with another great preview. in our Friday for June. Today we got Rich Eisen. The college football season is over.

I tried to call in a favor to the most famous Michigan alum that I know whose show I go on. And so Rich. Yeah, you're the guy, dude. I was thinking about Joanne Howard. I was thinking about like Charles Woodson. I was thinking about Jake Long, but that could be confusing for people. And for Taylor Luann, a guy like him, he don't want going on anybody's show today because Braves got fired. So like for Rich, it's pure excitement this 24-hour period for Taylor Luan

or somebody like that. Well, just Taylor-Lewan. That's his world's colliding. We got to talk about Mike Vrable today. He was on Rich's show when the news broke about Vrable. How about him? He can't even bask in the afterglow of that game. You know, Taylor's got to wake up this morning feeling like a million bucks and then his boy gets axed. And I think people are really confused. Well, they're not really confused. I think two things can be true. You can love Mike Vrable, and I would hire him in a heartbeat, and I'd love to play for the guy.

And then you can also acknowledge that there were some issues on his staff that maybe took too long to take care of. There were some offensive struggles during his tenure that are hard to explain away. I think, you know, the offensive coordinator issue lingered a little longer than it should have. It was really hard to replace Arthur. You know, I also think the Cincinnati playoff game was enormous.

You talk about things that people don't get over. You know, you have home field advantage, and you've been knocking at the door, and you lose that game. You lose that game because of the quarterback, 1916, and that's a tough pill to swallow. And then over the next couple years, you have Tanna Hills injuries. you obviously have the trade of AJ Brown. You have Byrd this year. It just felt like it was one thing at a time.

And over the last couple of years, you've seen them now down if you're a Titans fan and you're waking up in September to watch a game of next year. You're not going to have Rable. You're not going to have Derek Henry. You're not going to have Tannahill. You're not going to have Byard. Luan retired a couple years ago.

Like a lot of guys that, and this is how it happens in the NFL. It happens fast. and it happens before you even know it's happening. You know, it's happening before you know it's happening. And, you know, the band gets broken up. And it's unfortunate because it was really fun to watch this variable era. It felt like it was just getting started for me. And maybe that's just because I enjoy watching Mike coach so much.

And I enjoy watching him get out of these disadvantageous spots. I thought, you know, week 18 is a microcosm of, you know, who he is as a coach. but the ceiling on that operation seemed to struggle you know that that ceiling seemed to linger kind of lower than you wanted it to be now the floor although you look at the record and say fuck they got killed in their division the last couple years they've gone on a really bad stretch quiet as kept but he's always seemed to be a crisis manager with personnel um with the opponents they're facing with the spot they're in they just don't give a shit They line up and play football.

And as a guy who, you know, I don't think of myself as old NFL. I think of Vrabel as like old NFL. I think of one of the guys that was here for the turn, right? Like I was one of the few that got to see the new NFL and the old NFL. You know, when I came in the league, there were a bunch of guys like Mike Vrable. And I gravitate to those people. They were leaders for me, you know. There was something about those people that reminded me of my dad, you know, like they've seen some shit.

They've been through some shit. So I gravitate to a guy like Mike Vrable. I think it's really cool to see guys from that era coaching. That's why I love Dan Campbell. That's why I love seeing players now, somebody like D'Amico Ryan's getting a shot because he didn't just play. He played before the CBA changed everything.

You know, back when guys had two a days. I sound like that guy walking through the snow on the way to school, but it was a fucking different deal. And so I love those guys, and I love Mike Vrable. But I guess it was time for a change. It is shocking for some people when you look at the fact that they were deep in the playoffs consecutive years like two years ago. But as I laid it out, there have been some things that have happened that have just kind of compounded and snowballed. Now, if you're Amy Adams Strunk, you're thinking, what do I have to do?

Well, there are some things that I'd like to change internally if I had to guess. And, you know, I don't know that it was a foregone conclusion that she was going to fire Vrabel, but a lot of times there are ultimatums. And Vrable strikes me as a guy, and this is one of the reasons I love him. He's a guy that's like, hey, fuck your ultimatum. You know, I want to do things my way. And that can hurt guys, for sure.

And he came up in a school of Bill Belichick where Bill's buying the groceries and cooking dinner and that sort of thing. And I don't know how much control of the personnel Vrable wanted, and I don't know if the change in GM over the last couple years of Robin's, on the way out and Ran Carthin, who I think is awesome, was in the building with me in St. Louis.

He's a quality duty. He's been on the show, but sometimes groups don't click, and sometimes you can't figure out how to, you know, delegate. And I think for an owner, I would imagine that meeting detailed some things that she wanted changed. And I think Vravel's probably in a position of leverage where you think about some coaches getting fired, yeah, I'll do whatever you need me to do, but not Mike Vrable. He's got other jobs he could get.

And I think if I was somebody hiring, I would look long and hard at Mike Vrable. Now, obviously, everybody's excited about the New England prospect, and I think it fit wonderfully. I think he'd be great. He'd bring a new age version of Bill to town. You know, like he's one of the few coaches. Don't forget, that's left. that nest and succeeded. And I think part of it is because he's been his own fucking guy. Okay. And, you know, too many times guys try too hard to be to be Bill. You know, like, you hear stories about Josh in New England. You hear, you know, you hear stories about Josh in Vegas. You hear stories about former coaches going somewhere else and trying to be Bill and doing

things that just be yourself. And I think Vrable was able to do that and also infuse some of that New England culture without saying outwardly, hey, we're going to be New England. You know, because guys don't want to fucking hear that. They want to be their team. Now, when he went up for that Ring of Honor induction, I think he ruffled some feathers when he said, enjoy this. It's not like this everywhere. So if I am Mike Vrable and I don't like the situation around me when it comes to what are my responsibilities now as opposed to a couple years ago, if I don't think we're in a real good place organizationally. I don't think that team's very talented right now. I think he actually

hid their floor really well as he does any given Sunday. He did it on a macro level, even considering how bad they've been. I think I have job opportunities. I'm not fucking answering to ultimatums. Okay. Now, I don't know how much personnel controls somebody who's going to seed to him somewhere else. And I certainly don't know if that that place is New England. Just because Bill did it for a long time, doesn't mean they want to let that happen again. You almost feel like they'd want to go to the opposite way and say, well, we can't have somebody in who's trying to pull up parcels. But I think you have leverage if you're Mike Vrable, more than most coaches getting fired. Because I see paths to other places.

And when you listen to, first off, the Amy Adams Strunk video today, which is curious on a lot of levels. Number one, she's not actually answering to reporters. She's sending somebody else to do that. Number two, the very shooting of that video, which seemed very state TV. That video looked to me like State TV. And it was cut like a... The set screamed. I tweeted this earlier.

The set screamed, I just fired somebody. But what it really screamed, somebody messaged me was like 1985 Moscow. Or like... East Germany. Yeah, like East Germany. Right west of the wall, right? Did I get that right geographically? Okay.

It's west of the wall. East of the wall. East the wall. in east germany see that's why i'm fucked up east germany see that's why i asked you historian but it reminded me like the way they were cutting it the way they were cutting from shot to shot me and nolan watched it and and we had the same fucking text message that we sent at the same time i said he sent the video at the same time as i sent the video and then we sent the same follow-up which is this set is atrocious it looks like he it looks like they called

rabel in miss amy fired him and they were like where do you want to do the interview and she was like we should do it right here in the HR room we don't need any props you know we also also wonder what the casting looked like to be like the interviewer like that do a guy's like pulling straws like but that guy's that guy's obviously their PR guy and everything and I'm sure he's like fuck look what I got to do right now but but I got to put on this Titans Q-Zip anybody got a Titan's helmet we can just stick on the it looks like you know this is not a place you usually do interviews and maybe it wasn't fitting to do this interview in front of a titan's backdrop or something but

it just looked like they were like fuck it we're going to do the interview where we fired him move some chairs out of the way uh let's do it right here fuck it we'll do it live uh but the cuts were crazy they were like um they were like uh check it out with steve brule uh it was like it was public access tv it was crazy the production value on this thing wasn't great now. And I got no opinion on the owner. I don't know owners like fan bases, no owners. So you tell me.

But I'm listening to her talk. And the number one question that was asked early on, and first of all, these questions are all very leading questions. They're like, there are people saying this, Amy, but what you're thinking is XYZ. Am I right? And she's like, that is right. Y Z. But at one point, they're like, hey, what do you think about the thought of you trading

Mike Vrable? Like, did that ever come up? Which is something we've toyed with on this show, like trading coaches. I didn't know these guys have no trade clauses. I did not know that, which from a labor standpoint, that's kind of fucked up. You know, like, I don't know what makes coaches different than players in that they can, you know, say, I don't want to get traded here. You know, we had Sean Merriman on last week. They waved him in L.A. and he's got to go to Buffalo. He almost retired because he didn't want to go to Buffalo.

Okay. Mike Vrable, on a couple levels, probably wasn't down with this. Okay, but what Amy's thought process was, she said, we didn't want to, you know, have to go to the back of the line, and we didn't want to have to waste three weeks trying to find a trade partner for a coach. which makes a lot of sense to me, right? But then 30 seconds later, they're asking her, what's the number one thing you've learned hiring coaches?

And she says, cast a wide net and take your time. And that's a sentiment that's been echoed by a lot of owners when you listen to us like, we're going to take our time, which is a load of bullshit, right? They know who they want to hire. I'm pretty sure. That's why the Rooney rules here, right? Like these coaches know who they want, these GMs and these owners, they know who they want in the building.

Ideally, there's some people who knock your socks off. in interviews, but I will say this. I don't think there's a group of people in America worse at hiring the most important asset outside of the quarterback for a business that's worth so much as owners are when it comes to hiring head coaches. And I think the thing they miss on so often is the vibe, is this. Like, how do you not know this guy's a douche nozzle?

You know, I'm not talking about anybody in particular, I'm saying. I've seen coaches where I'm like, how do you not know? Oh, yeah, it's because you're, you live in a fucking 70,000 square foot, uh, condominium with three people at your beck and call all day and you have no real friends. I'm not saying all owners are like that, but I would imagine you're so siloed, dude, you know, like, that's why I love the commanders bringing in Bob Myers. It's like, hey, this isn't my job. I need to find somebody smart to do this job. And I also think Josh Harris seems like he's been around human beings a little bit. You know, and from talking to people that's been around Josh Harris, he's not like some robot that doesn't know.

You know, how do you know who's going to do it in a room full of guys that you're nothing like? You know, and so I think having owners that have that emotional intelligence and that delegation skill really important. I'm not making a determination on Amy Adam Strunk. What I am saying, though, is that these are tough decisions. is the guy you just let walk out the door, there's nobody that has the it factor more than him. So how are you going to follow this guy? And you have to be intentional about how you follow him

because, as you know, it's hard to fool a room full of grown men. And one thing that Brable didn't have to worry about doing was fooling people. He was who he was and people respected him for it. So the next guy you bring in cannot be a Brandon Staley. And by that I mean cannot have a schick. You know what I'm saying? saying you got to be whoever you are and you got to know ball and so i don't know if they want to go

offense they want to go defense whatever it is but i thought it was interesting her talking about that trade and not wanting to go to the back of the line by way of losing three weeks juxtaposed to 30 seconds later which she said we got to be patient now i think what happened with that trade is because these guys have no trade clauses mike ravel's like take that trade and roll it up like a newspaper and stick it up your ass okay Not to aiming that, yeah. But to the organization. Admitting that he has trade value also makes the decision to fire him look more dubious.

Well, it's admitting he has, it's the weirdest thing in the world. We always talk about these quarterback trades and there are these, these head coach trades and they've happened. But boy, isn't it weird when you think it through? You've got a consent to where you're traded as a coach. How does that conversation go, hey, fuck you. We're going to trade you. And the place you're going to go and you're going to say, yeah. is going to send us capital.

So then it's going to be harder for you to win where we send you. No coach is agreeing to that. And so I'm pretty sure what happened is Mike Vrable was like, roll it up like a newspaper. Okay? I want to grab some of that, that Vaseline over there in the training room and shove it up your ass, Titans,

because I am not getting traded. No fucking way. and that's how I would be if I was Mike Brable. And he strikes me as that type of guy, and I love him for it. I hope he ends up in New England. I hope he, here's another one. Maybe, here's what I think really happened. I think prior to the trade thing, I think that was a short conversation, and he knew it would be.

But I think he probably said one of two things. I'm not seating any personnel control. Whatever he had now, I'm not giving any of it away. To me, that's an unknown commodity or quantity. I don't know how much you had. The other thing is, I bet you, if I had a guess, he was like, all right, you want to change something, I want to bring Arthur Smith back, or something like that, you know, I think there was some negotiation.

I don't think it was she walked in and said, hey, you're fired. I think it was some ultimatum one way or another, and it didn't happen. It's not like breaking up. It's not like breaking up with your girlfriend. You know, you have these ultimatums like, I'm leaving. You know, you leave. and then the person leaves and they come back like you're gone bro it's over so that's the thing about throwing ultimatums out to mike brable that's the way it seemed that it was a quick decision because

will levis even said when on his exit interview was that uh brable said in a couple days reach out and we'll talk about you know the off season we'll talk about how everything went we'll recap we'll regroup and so it seemed like he it took him off guard as well well it is it was surprising but Mike Vrable got fired. I guess it wasn't something we didn't speculate on. Like, you know, we wondered, but that's a good coach that's just joined the Freedom Caucus. Okay. And he's all out of newspapers. So, guys, he's ready to coach some team hard. And I think he'd be great. And I think if he got that New England job, how about Arthur Smith and Mike Vrable reunion, okay? And you know what? I think that'd be the perfect situation for a brief.

bridge and a drafted player because as we've watched jordan love i kind of wonder if the jordan love thing's going to change the way people i'm not saying he's the first guy but my home sat a while okay draft and stash draft and stash man you know like these guys i really do want to do a study of every guy that hit over the last like 30 years and figure out how what's the commonality in the process for these guys and the longer guys wait i think it's better And I think, like, if you had an assurance, if I was a head coach and I was Mike Vrable and I had the coordinator I liked, I would go somewhere if I was picking within range of one of these guys, everybody thinks this is special, but I look at them like lotto tickets. You know, I would say, hey, well, then here's what we're going to do. We're going to draft a bridge and we're going to sit Caleb Williams or Drake May for a year, at least.

And we're going to try to be competitive in a division right now and increase. the vibes and when this guy's ready he's ready because to me it's not about maximizing the rookie deal it's about protecting the asset because if that asset is protected we're not talking about a rookie deal we're talking about a decade with a franchise you know and that's how you find your guy you know so anyways the other thing is the arthur arthur blank um press conference which i watch today it's like very long it's not the most exciting i kind of prefer the the you're in and you're out, Amy, Adam Strunk, Public Access TV style six-minute video. Arthur was up there with McKay for like an hour and a half. And they answer all the questions. I think Arthur seems like

a great guy. McKay's obviously an executive that a lot of people really like, but Atlanta fans, I'm sure after a while you're like, what does he do here? I know he's well respected. I know he's been a part of, I mean, fuck, he hired Tony Dungey. Okay. But when you look at, you look at, you're that Atlanta track record. And I thought there wasn't anything, I think Arthur's pretty good at saying a lot without giving you much. I don't think that there was anything revelatory out of that press conference. But I do think the,

if you're a smart Falcons fan or you pay attention to the Falcons, like you probably picked up on a couple things. But one of them that hit him right in the face was the Lamar question, which they were one of the couple teams last year that when, when Baltimore slapped that tag on, Lamar, there were five teams that were like, I'm an idiot. You know, I've never seen anybody be like, you know, like, I don't want to win. And I'm going to announce it. And you didn't ask, but I'm going to announce it. And that's because

the owners didn't want to play in this, like, guaranteed money area. And, you know, Cleveland made it possible for him to ask for this stuff. And they kind of broke the bro code, so to speak, between those billionaires. But, and maybe nobody was actually going to be able to beat Baltimore. Because that was the, you know, like you actually had to beat Baltimore, right? And that was something that McKay said is the Lamar Jackson thing. We'd probably offered him something. Baltimore would have beat the offer.

We'd have been an hour from signing him and throwing a party. And, you know, but to me, that's not a reason, right? You take a shot. I don't think, I don't think you have to explain to Desmond Ritter why you're doing that, right? Yeah. I think your team would be appreciative of you trying to win now. And then Arthur, who in the spring, I believe, said, we don't want to give one guy 25% of our cap space, right?

That was his reasoning. It's obvious about the guaranteed money and the brocode, but today he was like, we didn't have the cap space period, which is untrue. And he also said, like, we like race. raising our kids, our draft picks, and being able to re-sign them. So they stay with the organization. But I think, you know, he actually said this out of his mouth.

He was like, we decided to go with a younger player who's less expensive. You just say Desmond Ritter, and you decide to go with one-tenth the quarterback that you could have acquired in a trade, albeit like an unprecedented kind of deal. but to make that as like that's your that's your that's your that's your reasoning for not going out to get Lamar Jackson you know you worried about not being able to pay playmakers around him when the irony is that like literally this year the one thing you had was some playmakers and a team and a vehicle that's ready to drive and the guy can't drive you know you could have gotten fucking Jeff Gordon and you would have had to give up a lot but you know to me that's still that thing still stinks to

high heaven. I think Atlanta is the one team. If you look back at a team that if in a real life situation, there were teams vying for Lamar Jackson. Like Carolina, even knowing what you know now, I don't know that Carolina, that Lamar would want to be in Carolina, like, I don't think it would have been great. Look at what Bryce had to deal with. But Atlanta, there were some pieces there. Those comments also make you wonder if Arthur Blank was kind of meddling in that starting quarterback situation. He says we were going with the younger player, maybe like, advocating for Desmond Ritter, like those starting quarterback decisions seem strange. Justifying his, you know, justifying his position. Because I, I haven't heard enough about

what happened with that quarterback stuff this year to know. But here's the one thing I will say about Arthur and trying to guess what him and McKay are going to do down there is like, when you look at the coaches that Dave hired in Atlanta, he's actually had some good hires. And I think he's a guy who's pretty well respected and all that. Like the Mike Smith hire was going really well for a while. Like they were rolling. The Dan Quinn hire obviously was going really well for, fuck, 20 games, 19 and a half games.

I mean, for 19 and a half games, that thing, and to be fair to Dan, the next year they go to the playoffs, and he gave him a long rope to get out of there. But here's the thing that fucking is crazy to me with Arthur. Number one, they have not hired, I believe they've hired and fired now five coaches, not including interim head coaches. You had Jim Mora Jr., you had Bobby Petrino, who McKay was like, we don't even want to name this guy.

They hate him so much. You got Mike Smith, you got Dan Quinn, and Arthur Smith, okay? So what are these coaches all have in common besides being white as the driven snow? Not just that, guys. It's the fact that none of them were former head coaches. I mean, Bobby Petrino was a college coach, right? He was at Louisville, and that's he got the job, and then he skated for Arkansas. But none of them are former head coaches, which is why sometimes I wonder after like five iterations of your way of doing it, if you're like, and they've hired a lot of defensive coaches, at least three out of five of these guys are defensive coaches.

But when you look at it, don't you think they're having a conversation and saying maybe we should try something else this time? And so I don't know if Bill or Jim Harbaugh are some of these really hot names that are big-time coaches that have coached at the pro level as a head coach are at the top of their list. I don't think there's a coincidence that those are names that are being speculated down there. I also think Vrable would be a great fit. If they like defensive coaches, you know, if they like guys who are culture guys more so. Mike Vrable would be a great pick, but I wonder how meddling McKay is. You know, you talk about guys that want to buy the groceries and cook dinner. Also, weird ways that these guys have left the Atlanta Falcons.

First, Jim Mora Jr. gets on the radio with, I think a few weeks left in the season, or he's still a coach of the Atlanta Falcons, and the guy asks him if the Washington job opens up, would he take it? And he goes in a heartbeat, I take the Washington job. And then later backs tracks and says he's going to, he's joking. but I guess he wasn't joking. Jim Mora Jr. left that way. The next guy was Bobby Petrino.

Bobby Petrino after the season says, I'm coming back. They go 3 and 13. They bring him in to be a quarterback whisper. Instead, he ends up being Mr. Roadrash a year later at Arkansas. Well, the way he got there was he says, I'm coming back 24 hours later he jumped ship for Arkansas. Like, that barely ever happens.

in the NFL. The next one is Mike Smith. They go 13 and 3. The next year they're 2 and 14 and he's gone. You know, like, Dan Quinn's up 283. And then what happened happens. And then finally with Arthur Smith,

you get three years of 7 and 10, picking 8th, they're in purgatory. But it ends with that meltdown on the field over the, the kneel down situation. So it's always a shit show in Atlanta. I don't know what they're going to do, but just something interesting from that press conference I thought was the Lamar stuff, because that surface again. I don't know if that

was on his, I don't know if that was on Arthur's prep list, but it should have been because the guy's the MVP this year and they were basically having a yard sale. And yeah, you had to pay cash, but it's, I mean, anyways, a couple of teams I'm scratching my head. All right. All right. Well, without further ado, I think we need to get, oh, one last thing with the coaches, the Chargers, I just noticed this. The Chargers have interviewed, I think, who is it now? They've requested interviews with Dan Quinn, Rahim Morris. Aaron Glenn and Aaron Glenn. There's a lot of defensive names, okay?

You know, you mentioned them offensive names, but I think the first three they're going to interview are defensive guys. And I kind of wonder. Steve Wilkes as well, another defensive guy. Steve Wilkes. And, you know, like, number one, I always say this. I hope people aren't making a mockery of the Rooney rule, right? But it's really hard to litigate this stuff, right? Like, what's an honest interview?

The reason I say that is not because of the quality of these coaches. These are good coaches. I say that because I don't think they're going to, I don't think they're going defense again. Like, they're not going defense again. You're not, you can't go back to defense. Not with this quarterback, not with what you just had. And so kind of interesting, when we were talking about this, why do you do something like that?

A lot of these interviews are fact-finding expeditions. You know, I've heard coaches talk about this before, going to do an interview and having to, like, guard their secrets, give people enough to be attractive in the event that they're actually being interviewed, but not give them enough so that when they play each other down the line, you know something about these people, but more so, you want self-scouting. Like, how would you fix our problems? Hey, how would you fix this burning building? And like then the foremost experts, like, you get some firemen in there and they're like,

you know, fuck, dude. Like, you need a smoke detector here. And you're like, oh, Spanos is like, oh, I didn't think about that. And then you try to fix it the next go around. So it's kind of interesting watching like the mechanics of these meetings. and, you know, like some team like the Chargers. I'm like, what are you doing? No, you're not going defense, but interview away.

And they did request an interview with the Bengals offensive coordinator, Brian Callahan. Me and all were talking about that. I think he's going to be a pretty hot name. And I think the stretch of football that they just played, you know, everything he'd been through this year, you had to change the offense a little bit because of Joe, right, and his injury early. Then you got into, you know, the swing of things. That offense was a lot better. look good. And I think he had a big hand in making Browning look very capable. So a lot of coaching

stuff happening. We'll see what happens throughout the rest of the week. I did talk to Rich for a while. Here's Rich. Whatever you're looking forward to this football season, there's one thing that pairs well with every great moment, and that is an ice cold Miller light. Whether you're at the stadium, playing fantasy football or watching the game at home or at the bar, Miller Light is here to make your football season taste like Miller time. From kickoff to the clock runs out. You can't go wrong with the Miller Light in your hand. It's the only light beer with a taste worthy of our national obsession.

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I'm sure it's not the first time today you've gloated. I want to give you an opportunity to gloat. I don't even have a question. I appreciate it. I don't know about gloating, you know. I don't know how to act straight up. I didn't think I'd be in, you know, he's hoped I'd be a national champion in football.

I was hoping that Harbaugh would come back to Michigan and restore us to prominence and do what he did this year and last night. And I can't believe that it is a reality. And so the gloating comes beating with, by beating Ohio State. Right. I have no quarrel with Washington. Obviously beating Alabama is one of those signpost moments.

And certainly I always was infuriated by the SEC slogan of it just means more, as if it means shit to me. You know what I mean? Like it doesn't mean as much to me. Like, how dare you? I always found that a little bit off, put me off. But obviously beating Alabama and Nick Saban, that is the ultimate, even though Georgia fans will sit there and say you didn't beat us and we were the last one to beat you. And you couldn't make it a rematch last year because you couldn't beat TCU.

I get it. But we beat everyone in front of us, 15 and 0. And it needed to do it. needed to do it, certainly since the Conner Stallion stuff gave everyone, certainly all of my friends in Columbus, the standing to try and wipe out the entire two previous years of accomplishments, even though there's no proof what Conner Stallions was able to get with his cell phone camera army was actually put into practice so expertly and without any, I guess, hesitation that nothing was going to be a problem. So put it all together. I'm a happy camper,

Chris. Has Danny Cannell reached out to grant you a legitimate championship? Dude, I don't really, I mean, I don't really pay much heed, but I do see every now and then he gets tweeted into my timeline. What do you say? I love that, tweeted into my timeline. He gets tweeted in my timeline, too. No, no, no, I haven't seen anything he said in the past couple days. But I understand the Florida State thing. They're upset and the whole thing. And Bama not looking. But I think also to y'all's credit, you kick Bama's ass, you know, for much of the game.

And so, you know, that was more about you than it was an unworthy opponent, I think. And so I look at what you guys did on the biggest stage after watching Pennix and what they did to Texas. That defense is another class, that things are. that they made Pennix do last night. So I think it's awesome. And I think you guys want it. And you know, I know the Stallions thing is the first thing that you might think about

because you guys have been in defense mode this year. I don't think there's anything illegitimate about it. I think it's incredible. And if anything, what's great about it is it signals a new age. I mean, I'm not saying a big 10 schools never won the national championship before, but for me, a casual, you want to see more parity, relatively speaking. You love the way the playoff had two very competitive

of first round games. That's not a foregone conclusion any year we've had to play off. And we're going to expand. And I think it's cool that some other teams are getting a bite of the apple. And for you, not that you guys have some, you know, broke history where you have a rich history. But it did feel like as a casual, there's these teams and then there's like the Michigan's. And so now it doesn't, it feels like you're part of that, that club now in, in, in this era of football. Oh, it feels great, man. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Congratulations. I honestly, I got like a hundred texts last night from people as if I played. Because, you know, because they do know how much it means. And, you know, again, I understand where Michigan standing is in so many people's minds. You know, we have a thousand and four wins now all time. And yeah, but how many banners do you have? How many championships do you have? You don't really belong in the conversation of elite football programs because it's all empty calories, all those wins.

Now you can't say it, can't say it, and certainly Harbaugh being the one to do it in this day and age of name, image, and likeness and transfer portals and how recruiting is changed. And again, now it's going to change in terms of the way a college football playoff stage is set. It just does feel like an end of an era and that Michigan won the last game of that era. So what's what's the inverse of that moment last night for you as a Michigan fan? Now that you can probably like fully admit your lowest moments. Oh, lowest moments was losing to Appalachian State in the first game in the history of Big Ten Network. That was Jake Long. That was a Jake Long era.

That's my brother's era. Upstate was brutal. It was just brutal. And led to the end of Lloyd Carr's tenure and then brought in Rich Rod, which brought in Brady Hoke, who I really liked personally, and then had to bring in Harbaugh and all of our excitement over Jim, at least my excitement, because I started, my show started in 2014, you know, the show that you're kind of up to join every single Monday. We started in 2014, and the story that I talked about the most in October of 2014 when we

launched was Jim Harbaugh and the 49ers and how that relationship seemed to be falling apart. And if he was looking for his next stop, maybe Michigan was that spot. And everybody said, forget it. That's never happening. And I kind of feel like I helped speak it into existence. And so I was as excited as any. Because again, as I started my show today, the first quarterback of my entire Michigan fandom, because again, I was a New York City kid from Staten Island.

I didn't know anything about Big Ten football and didn't know anything about Michigan football until I arrived on campus. Jim Harbaugh was the quarterback, my freshman year. So he was my first quarterback, and he was the guy who helped get me into Michigan football. And so I was genuinely excited. And then the Michigan State game happened, where we were ready to finally turn the tables on Dan Antonio and Michigan State. And that punt happened. I remember where I was.

That was one of those moments, even if you're not a Michigan fan or Michigan State fairs. I remember where I was for that? I remember where were you for those two moments, App State and then that. App State was, I was in a summer rental. And in Malibu, I will never set foot in that place again. I don't even want to think about it. Honestly, I need that poltergeist woman to come in and clean the house. It would be a seance, man.

Yeah, yeah, right? And I'd say the house is clean. And then the Michigan State was in the room where I was watching last night's national championship game. And I kind of felt like, you know, the house that I'm sitting in right now, I bought it from a Michigan State graduate. but and I thought this place was haunted. And, and, and I just couldn't believe it because it was, again,

what Ohio State fans and Michigan State fans had so much glee in talking about in Harbaugh's first half of his tenure was that not going to work. You know, your, your savior is not your savior. Your savior is not a good coach at the collegiate level. He's not going to relate to kids. He's just, he's not your guy. And the results against Michigan State and Ohio State, We're proving that out in their minds more than not and placed a significant amount of doubt in the minds of so many Michigan fans.

And I'm proud to say, I never went on my show and saying, Jim's got to go. I never said that. Never once, never twitched in that direction, never even thought of twitching in that direction. Because I did believe in him. And it does appear that, you know, in the COVID year of 2020, when everything completely fell to its total bottom, 2021 he made a decision to try and change around his coaching staff and change around the way that he approached the kids that he's coaching. And Aiden Hutchinson led the change.

He led the sea change. And here we are obviously having to get the quarterback right. And J.J. McCarthy is kind of in Jim's mold and Jim being his spirit animal. And now he's 27 and 1 in his two years. He was a starter at Michigan. So you can't really argue with any of this. It's pretty amazing. And I'm ecstatic.

I'm over the moon, man. So I'm sold on the McCarthy and Harbaugh relationship, but Spirit Animal, I could never see Jim meditating. You know, sitting at the base of the... I could see Jim sitting still. You know what I mean? Watching him after the game last night, I don't know if it struck you, but like, he's a different dude, you know, like,

oh, he's, he coached in, in the NFC West. We've talked about this, but like, he was on the other sideline. He was this guy of intrigue that I was like, what makes this guy fucking tick? He's so different. Like, I, socially, he's just out there, the whole thing. You know, they interview him after the game. And there's almost a sense of like, I'm not surprised. I'm excited.

I'm not surprised. What's the next challenge? You know, like he's just, he's a dog with his own world. He lives on. planet gym he lives on planet jim so explain that to me his personality yeah does anybody understand his but like what do people say about the guy they fell in love with at michigan because you you thought the book on him was he wears people out and then you know like he'll be gone in five years but to your point like it lasted way longer than that at michigan oh yeah i was told you know hey

he's kind of like a um a 21st century parcels wins wherever he goes changes the color wherever he goes successfully, but will not stay for longer than a couple of contracts because things always change in his mind or it doesn't go well enough for him in his mind. And so this is, this is a, this is a different tale that's being told right now that he's got, he's a champion and he can write his ticket. I mean, Michigan would love to keep him. And he could write his ticket in Ann Arbor. and I can only imagine the number of NFL teams that will be all over him.

They probably already are, you know, as you and I are talking, and he'll write his ticket. He'll be able to look at his wife and, you know, in the eye, whatever, you know, family powwow there is, lay it all out on the table and say, where do we want to live? Where do we want the kids to grow up? Where do you want to live? Where do you want to, you know, live out the final years of my coaching career?

you know, and then and then make that choice. And how many people in our profession, in the coaching profession, or in our profession, media wise, get to choose such a thing. You know, it's so rare. That's what makes him the wild card. Which is what? In any situation. Of course, you could see him as the coach of the Chargers.

You could see him as the coach of the Raiders. I could see him as the coach of Carolina. I could see him as the coach of Michigan right now. You know, I could see him as the coach of Tennessee. You know, I could absolutely see him if he wants to go to Nashville. I don't know if he wants to, if he's got the trade in those Cartier glasses for some cowboy boots. I guess I also don't know if he's got the manning in him. And by that, I mean, you know, Peyton, when he had a chance the first time in his life to choose wherever he wanted to go and write his ticket, he did not want to go to a team in the NFC.

because he did not want to prevent his brother from making a Super Bowl. I mean, if he ever faced him in a Super Bowl, that would be one thing. But he didn't want to prevent his brother from doing that. So the likelihood of Jim taking on John in a divisional playoff round as the head coach of the Chargers with Justin Herbert,

and that happening next year is very high. The chance of another Harbowl happening if he goes to the NFC isn't as significant. you know, and I'm sure that's the one thing about Jim that losing a Super Bowl, there's only one silver lining is that is its brother who did win it, I'm assuming. You kind of wonder with that. I had Kelsey on my pot after the Super Bowl where he beat Travis and I don't, I think it almost makes it worse.

Maybe. You know, if we're being honest, because like, you know, that's a real thing. It's a real thing. It's different to every sibling, but it's non-zero. Well, you could tell me, I mean, your, your, your, your, your brother spent years in the NFL. My brother is just the premier tax and estate lawyer in all of America, by the way. Yeah, is he? Yeah, I mean, if you ever need your estate plan, really?

I mean, if I'm eyes and is the guy. Oh, absolutely. Well, it's a good. It's always a good thing to do, you know, I kind of. So there's, there's no, I can't relate, you know, he, he can't host the three hours show, and I sure can't do what he's. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So I can't relate in that rivalry.

Well, okay, so this is a question I've asked a lot of the fans that kind of visit our YouTube pages for like exclusive interviews with their favorite player and their favorite team. I want to know. I want to get to know fan bases. How about Michigan fans? Here's my question to you. Had you been able to go back in time last night or at the next national championship and you've got a suite. You got five tickets and you can fill this suite with whoever you want from, you know, this vast pool of Michigan alumni. It could be athletes, they could be famous people.

And you got food, you got booze. It's just going to be a good time. You want personalities, but people that you keep out. It can't be, it can't be my friends or fraternity brothers. It's not friends. It's got to be people that people know. I appreciate you not putting me in that spot. That's a tough spot.

So it's got to be five people from Michigan. Yeah. You guys figure out you got a lot of them. We, after Tina Faye and like Edgar Allan Poe, he's not around anymore. It'd be harder for me. Okay. Well, I, I, Ralph Samson can't fit in the door.

You know, like I'm a harder, you know what I mean? I got to go Jeter, who is at, he had a cup of coffee. Oh, yeah. That's why he was there last night. Oh, yeah. I think he used, I think he used Michigan's baseball program as leverage

to get more money from Steinbrenner. Yeah, that's good. I think if I didn't, if I had a guess, that was the play there. So I'll take Jeter is one. Charles Woodson would bring the wine. He'd bring the bourbon. He'd bring the cigars.

He'd bring the swag. Desmond will just bring just everyone's happy around Desmond. Obviously, TB12 has got to come in there too. Yeah, we can't. We can't snub him. Are you kidding me? No. I mean, get out of here, you know?

That's four. Is he the coolest teammate you ever had? He's, I mean, relative to his, I was talking about, to put you on the spot. I was talking to Jay Cutler about this last night, you know, inside the NFL, we're watching that game and we're talking about quarterbacks relating to the locker room. And I think he came up with Justin Fields because the guys like him and we were factoring that in that conversation. And he asked me about Tom and it was almost a rhetorical question.

He was like, did Tom hang out with the guys? And I was like, yeah, Tom for the level of celebrity that Tom Brady is to treat a guy like me or some of the other guys I saw him interact with with respect and go above and beyond. I mean, I wasn't going to go have a beer with him. I don't think he was at that stage in his career. You know what I'm saying? Like if you ran into Tom and Foxborough, I think if there were an opportunity to do an E-60 on like 24-year-old Tom, the guy that actually got hangovers that went out to the local dives that had the fuller face, you know, that Tom that was going through the rigors of the NFL before he was Tom Brady. I think that'd be a really interesting chapter to learn more about him because the things I hear about him is like total dude's dude and then you get there and you see

that dude's dude but packaged in a 43 year old man his body and you know he's got kids and and in the NFL rich when you get older it's like two locker rooms you try to coexist as one but it becomes increasingly harder to do everything together you know and that that's why part of the reason why that college thing's so special because because when you go home you go home with your buddies you go home to your house you guys share a house and then the pros it's like after about 28 guys start needing to get permission. So Tom, not a guy I hung out with a lot outside the facility, but I will tell you this was really cool.

I ran into him at the Super Bowl like two years later and ran into him under like a carport at the Super Bowl. And you know, you see so many people at the Super Bowl. There's almost a code like, do I go up and say anything to this guy? Even if I know him, it's Tom. He's getting bothered. People are staring at him. I didn't even, I made eye contact with him.

He walked over to me, me, you know, know from 20 yards away and called Giselle over. He was like, I don't think you ever met Chris. This is my old teammate. I love this guy. You know, it's like I played there for a year. When I walked in the door, the first guy to talk to me, one of them was Tom. You know, I think I've told this story before where he's like, nice to meet you.

I'm Tom. Welcome. I'm like, no shit. I know what I mean? That's cool, though. That's cool. Yeah. And some people might think like that's him putting on airs.

You know what I mean? Or it's not. It's not. It's just, and just the people that I've met who have reached that level of insane fame, right? Just probably deep down lament not being one of the guys as much anymore. Right. And lament even going out with the guys because they can't just be one of the guys around those guys when they go out and about. When everybody just goes flocks to him and there's a table.

of his teammates standing right there and he feels kind of lane. You know what I mean? Like that they all come to me and wait, wait a minute, these are my guys. You should talk to them too. And you're fucking up to hang. You're fucking up to hang because you're boys

and you can't just sit there. So it's kind of a prison. It's a prison that nobody's empathetic towards the occupant of the prison. Yes. But it is a prison nonetheless. Which is why I think his moment of being taken home by what, Gabbard? Was it Gabbard and Trask? Right? That was so humanizing. It was the most

humanized Tom Brady and relatable Tom Brady, maybe in the history of Tom Brady. It's just like, yeah, you know what? This is his cheat day when he's flipping the Lombardi trophy from one boat to another, you know, and his daughter's there screaming, dad, no. And yeah, he's having his avocado tequila. Damn straight. And he's going to- You know what exactly? But and yeah, if I tried to not drink 355 days a year and got smashed on tequila at 12 in the afternoon on the water, that's what I would look like. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Well, that's what I would look like and my body's not a temple. Actually, dude, I love it. That's one of the most humanizing thing Tom's done. They're all in the last five years, by the way. But, uh, but the other one was, uh, was. probably the match. Like some of the shots he hit were fucking, and I'm not even a golfer,

but some of the shots he hit were human shots. They were like, and so the one time in your life, you as a middle-aged man sitting on the couch being like, yeah, Tom Brady, you're not that good at that. I know that guy. Yeah, you're not that good at that.

It's like looking in a mirror. Same thing. I know. So relatable. So obviously I'd want him in the suite. That's four, I think. So I got one more. Yeah.

How about Madonna? No way. Yeah. Michigan? Yeah. You're kidding me. Here, let me show you something. I'll get up.

Hold on one. Wait, you've actually met. There's going to be some cool thing. You've met Madonna. Here I am. So, yeah, she had a cup of coffee at Michigan, too.

Madonna. You're claiming a lot of one and tons. I know. Well, it doesn't matter. I mean, what's the cutoff? No,

there is no cut off. There is no cut off. You got to take one class. You got to get one credit. I don't know. So there's a hotel in N. that used to be called the Ann Arbor Inn where everybody stayed, you know, back in the day. And now this is where a lot of people stay on campus for football games.

If they're lucky to get a room on campus, it's now called the Graduate Hotel. Yeah. And you have one too. You have one? So I'm wondering if it's the same thing where they have. I think it is. I think it is. from the, from the, uh, from the school. And, and they put their, their actual real photograph

from their real student ID with their real signature and their real old ID on the card for the hotel. And I get this every now and then. People will text me out of the blue saying, I checked into the graduate. And I don't know if you could see it. Can you say that's me. Oh, yeah. That's you on a card on a key the hotel yeah is that this is 1886 so who was famous on campus in 1986 I don't know like who were the athlete I certainly wasn't when you were in Michigan when you were in Michigan it was Jim Harbaugh it was Harbaugh and the basketball team was Gary Grant Antoine Jubeer you know that was the team and that was you know on Harbaugh like out in the out and about was

Harbaugh at the bar no I heard he did not do the bar scene That does not surprise me, dude. No, I heard he did not do that. But I never saw him out and about. But the funny thing is, somebody tweeted out, you know, one day, this card saying that they checked into the graduate and got a Desmond Howard card.

Oh, that's right. And got outraged because they're an Ohio State fan that just happened to stay in the hotel. And they asked for a car. of a non-athlete and got me. That's fucking great. So I responded with my 40-yard dash saying, how dare you? How dare you?

I have an athlete. Dare you? They're actually not speeding that up at all. That's how fast I'm running. Exactly. How dare you not to say I'm an athlete? All right, so here's the deal. I mean, here's the deal.

The Michigan thing's amazing. And I think for somebody like you, it's like it's been good, good, good all day. But then somebody like Taylor won, I actually can't believe the swing of emotions for this guy. Right. And I had no idea. because last night you had Michigan,

and then today is his coach gets fired. And I know what that's like when you see your old coach get fired, especially when you love a guy like that. But I didn't know he was on your show when you broke. Yeah. Yeah. I'm interviewing him, and he's doing his,

his, his Taylor-Luan, Michigan pounding his chest thing, which is, you know, in all honesty, what I was hoping to see from him and get from him in terms of a guest on the show.

He was giving his A-plus, Taylor-Lawain, Michigan take, and my producer, Mike Hoskins, my coordinating producer, gets in my ear and say, Mike Vrable was just fired. And I look over to my guy, Chris Brockman, who crossed the way, because he can hear what Hoskins is saying in my ear, and I look at him, and he looks at me.

And I have this button, the talkback button to him, and I just lean into my microphone so nobody can see my lips move. I'm like, are you serious? And he goes, yeah. And I could hear somebody saying something, the Luan off camera. And I'm thinking to myself in my head, okay I want to keep talking about Michigan

but how in the world do I not bring up Brable his guy getting bounced right now and sure enough I could hear in the background I'm like is somebody telling you what somebody just told me in my ear and he goes yeah Will is trying to mouth something to me and I'm like I think it's it's Mike Vrabel just got let go he's not coming back

What did he say? What was this? What was this? He looks at Compton and Compton he's off camera And he goes, yeah, he couldn't believe it. And rightfully so. What the hell happened there? I don't know. You always know this, that in the NFL, man, there's an iceberg and we just see the tip. We just see the tip.

We have no idea. I was talking about this with, you know, like that Arthur Blank question today about Lamar Jackson, those owners weren't going to make, you know, the five teams as soon as they tagged him. They were like, we're out for the record, four or five are looking for new. coaches but um arthur blank was asked about today and i thought i'm sitting there thinking like who knows how big of a sticking point that was between him and arthur smith or fontnot and mackay and you just never know like what's happening inside of building the power struggles and the the preferences and who's actually doing more than they're supposed to be doing and i think probably

in tennessee there were some ultimatums and i think variable strikes me as a guy that number one doesn't do ultimatums that's why i like him so much but number two I think also he might know something about a position that's going to be open. And like, you know, if you're going to be telling me, I got to fire this person, I got to fire that person. Yeah, right. I have to do this. Well, fuck you because I know of other jobs that might be open.

It might be perfect for me. And then the interesting thing with Amy Adams drunk, she, she threw that, that, I don't want to say it's bizarre press conference, but did you see the set of the press conference? No. It looked like they just did it in the HR office. They put like a Tennessee Titans helmet in between two chairs. And she got out in front of it because she knew it was so unpopular. But one of the things that struck me is they were talking about,

would you have traded, you know, variable because there were talks of that. And I didn't realize these guys have no trade clauses. So what's the point of even trying to trade a coach? Because what coach is ever going to be like, yeah, I'll go to that team. I agree to go to that team. And you're going to drain my assets before I even get there. Exactly. And that's why Belichick being traded somewhere else might add a certain,

you know, gear grind to that process that might be sped up if the Patriots are one of those spots for Vrabel. I don't know. There's just so much speculation. And obviously, you and I just chit-chatting about it. We could be way off. We have no idea. My only guess is, again, I had Vrabel on before the draft. And again, I know John Robinson, who made the trade is gone, the general manager of the Titans.

but this could have been from higher up. You never know. But I asked him before the draft two years ago about the rumor of A.J. Brown being traded. And he's like, I will not be on a, he said some along lines of like, we're not trading A.J. Brown. Because I don't want to be the coach of a team

that doesn't have A.J. Brown is essentially what he said. Right. You know, and I'm paraphrasing it, but that was the total gist. Like, I love that guy. We're not, we're not trading him. And then sure enough, he gets traded. And you see the, the result.

There's been a lot of video on social today of that moment caught on the, on the draft cam of him just getting up and making that world, the body language, the hitchhike of your pants, it's the body language of this sucks. Like, I am not happy about this. And I'm just wondering if that started a process and then the general manager's gone. they bring in a new one. I don't know. But this guy, I mean, his answer to, I believe the columnist's name is Gentry, Estis is his name of the Tennessee.

And last week when he asked him to follow up and give reasons why when Rabel said there's many reasons why we want to win this game, the week 18 game against Jacksonville. And he asked him for the reasons. And he looked at him and he goes, because losing fucking sucks. Gentry. And then continued on to another question. And then you could see, like he wasn't ready to entertain the next question because his mind was still so angry about being asked something that is such a front to win you know what I mean like it's such an affront to him as a coach and he looked back at the guy he goes you got any other

theories on that gentry you know and then he just went on a soliloquy and then apologized for his language I love that guy man I did be the coach of my team every patriot fan I know wants him every bucky fan I know wants him oh yeah there is that I I mean I I I don't even know what the hell happened there. But it stunned me and we were on live air today when when Luan learned it. And it's that video, as you might imagine, is being well viewed because it's just it's unvarnished. It's unexpected.

And it's wild. It is just wild. Have you had moments where you're doing your show live? I'm sure you've had a bunch of them where it was like the guest that was on or the topic was just so shocking and sudden. Maybe something not too dark to show. share, not like somebody died, but there's two moments

that there's two moments that that leaped to mind. The first one, they both from the very early part of my of my show years and years and years ago. We had Rowdy, Roddy Piper on the show and he was live

and you could see he was not of the soundest of mind and was just saying whacked out stuff to the point where I don't even recall the exact things that it was saying, but it was the first ever viral video in the history of my show, which was only on the audience network, which was in-house on DirecTV only in about 12 million homes with, you know, YouTube wasn't a significant distribution, um, uh, partner yet. Um, and that went viral.

And he, the reason why I went viral is he died two days later. Oh, two days later. Yeah, I was, it was the last interview of his life. No. And it was wild, man. And it made his, there's documentaries. You could see some documentaries on him and WWE. And on occasion, we still get requests. Hey, can we license that video for, for that interview? It was wild.

And so that was that moment. And another moment back in the day, you know, I'm still on a radio simulcast, but for some reason, the clock, there's a clock when you do a live radio show where you must take three breaks in that clock. You have to take breaks for the radio affiliates to pay their bills. So the radio clock was take a break at 15 minutes after, in between 15 and 20 minutes after. As a host of the show, you have, you know, the leeway of when to place that break. And the same thing between 40 and 45 after the hour.

And there was one 60 second break that you had to take at the bottom of the hour. hour right around the 30 minutes into the hour mark. And I, I, I really didn't like that one because it's just 60 seconds, but you'd have to stop an interview. Like, imagine you and I are talking right now. It's, we're, we're, we're like, hold on a second. Let's just keep, hold that thought. We got to take a 60 second break and come back. And that's what you do. Our guest is blah, blah, blah, you do the reminder thing. Right. Exactly. But it, I didn't like it because, you know, that's in a 20 minute period where you can have a long interview, but you have to stop it midway through and I hated it. I hated it. Yeah, it sucks. Except the one time we had Mike Tyson on and Tyson's a guest and I ask him a

question that I ask a lot of retired athletes. How much could you give me right now if we put you back in the ring is what I asked him. I'll ask a football player, how many snaps can you give me? Right. I have to be retired. So I asked Mike Tyson, you know, if I put you in the ring, how many rounds could you go? He goes, oh, I don't want to think about that. And I thought to myself in the back of my head, he doesn't want to think about that because, you know, he just doesn't want to hurt whoever's in there

because I could destroy whoever it is. No, he says, I don't want to think about that. I said, why not? He goes, because putting me back in the ring makes me think about when I was a fighter, and that puts me to very dark place, and I don't want to go to a dark place. At which point, I'm like, well, we'll take a break. And we'll be back in 60 seconds.

Okay. Like that was the perfect time for that 60 second break. The one time I was happy to have that 60 second break. Let's take a break. You come back okay? He did. I'm like, dude, he's got to be a top five scary guy to, even though he's so cool now. Like you just seem so like he's got it together.

But there are people that would, it would scare me to interview. You just had Bill Burr on. We've talked about this before. I guess is your guy maybe. you got Bill a little bit? Well, I mean, he texted me about the Wolverines because he's got family, a part of his family's from Michigan. So he's got a little bit of love for the Wolverines.

And so he's been texting me about the games. You know, he went to the Rose Bowl. And I've been texting him back. And then last night, after we went, he just texted me like, woo. And I said, you want to, you want to zoom in? God, that's fucking cool. But it's scary. A comedian scare me as much as Mike Tyson to interview comedians.

I know we've, I think we've talked about this before because you're a comic background. Yeah, I love comedians. I love them too, but you never know what's going to, you never know the vibe. You never know what the vibe's going to be. I know, but they're, you know, as long as you just sit back and let them tell stories and occasionally play straight man and set them up, there's no, I love comedians. I love talking to comics. I love mining their brains the way that they work. You know, late night television shows.

shows, the lifeblood of the guest list always have been comics from Johnny Carson to David Letterman. And so that's the type of show I love to fashion, even though it's on in the morning or early afternoon, depending on where you're watching it in America or listening to it. I love comedians. I will always have them on. I will always be interested in what they have to say. I have nothing but respect for them. I did stand-up comedy in college.

The Student Union in Michigan, easily the toughest thing I've ever had to do. And I love them. I will always have Jeff Garland on your guy. And he was amazing. But there was a five minute period where I'm like feeling them out because I, you know, like these guys are really bright. And I think artists and comedians, they don't like presumptuous questions. They don't like questions that pin them or put them in a box.

And sometimes you can ask those questions unintentionally. So I just feel like you're a little bit careful when you first meet one of them. Oh, Jeff. Jeff was great. Another guy that was really disarming was your guy, Brian Baumgartner. who I went on his pod recently and my thread was, hey, I'm on Rich's show a lot. Guy was incredible. He was awesome. He's awesome. Some of these funny, intelligent people can be a little bit intimidating. So you're right. And I get it. And Garland can be a total wildcard.

I mean, the number of times he's come on my show and absolutely shit on Chris Berman who he hates. He hates. He takes. He took people. Not a bit. He doesn't, yeah, no. He just, and he'll just, he'll just, he'll just come out and say it. What else this guy hate? I don't know. I mean, he will always tell you what he likes and what he doesn't like. And that's Jeff Garland. And those are the eggs. You've got a break to make the omelet, man. All right.

So two things before in, you know, Rich, you've been so generous with the time, man. But I just wanted to ask about NFL international because I was remarking to my guys here before he came on. This is the best super wild card weekend. There's a lot to choose from in the last, you know, it's not like a long line of super wildcard weekend. But I think it's it's so well done the way the teams fell this year. You got the big markets playing each other, the Dallas, Green Bay. You got the flacco and then juxtapose with a C.J. Stroud over here. And, you know, even the shittiest game is Philly Tampa. It's got, it's a big market game. So I think they hit it out of the park this year. They took Christmas. I was asking,

what's next? Is it, is it inevitably international? Do you, what are the big hurdles? Because you've been over there doing games. Sure. I mean, Christmas is coming in the middle of the week next year. So I don't know what they're going to do. But what the NFL has done is really smart in December is when college football seeds the ground, they take it. You know, once the conference championships are done, there's the second weekend, usually, of December and third weekend of December. And the league just jumps on it. and the reason why the league doesn't play on Friday nights is still the legislation that was passed,

I believe in the Nixon administration giving the league an antitrust exemption, but the price of admission was they were not allowed to ever put games on a Friday night during high school seasons to ever go against high school football that that was inviolate. And that is still to this day, which is why the Black Friday game started at three in the afternoon. So, because trust me, Amazon would want that game on at night. Can't do it because it's still on during some high school football seasons on Thanksgiving weekend. So there's a lot of moving parts, but obviously if Christmas or Christmas Eve falls on a weekend or a Monday, next year it's Tuesday and a Wednesday. I don't think that's going to happen.

So I, but the league is going to keep on, you know, putting their markers on those Saturdays and Saturday evenings, Saturday afternoons. triple headers, double headers, when college football seeds the ground. Yeah. You know, certainly now that bowl season has been completely neutered by what's going on with the college football playoffs. In terms of international games, I don't think they'll ever put a team and base them abroad. It's just impossible.

It doesn't work. I mean, how many of your colleagues would move to Europe, you know, move their family? Well, the young ones with no family. Maybe. Yeah. I mean, but still, it just doesn't work, nor does it work. competition-wise. It just doesn't, you can't compete, you know, and have a level playing field in terms of the competition when one team is six hours behind or in front of the other. It just

doesn't work. So what I think they're going to do is just keep adding locations this year, I believe it's Brazil that's coming up. Keep adding different locations until there's going to be, I believe, a whole bunch of international games that can be sold as a package. You know, there's a fourth window of football. I've heard from so many people, you know, when the Germany games and London games hit that there's a 930 a.m. Eastern time window that leads to the one window to the four window to the seven, I mean, the eight o'clock window. People love the four windows of football. Yeah. And I think the league digs that.

But I also think they are appropriately and rightfully want to sell their sport internationally. The NBA is already way ahead of the NFL. and there are tons of fans and expats all over the world that love the NFL and the the crowds are amazing. They are Super Bowl worthy. Ask TB 12 when you see him next about Munich and what he will tell you about Munich. Same thing with Pete Carroll about Munich. The London crowds are lit and they also know the game. It's not like they cheer when there's a fumble 15 seconds after the whistle because they think there's a turnover.

They get it. Yeah. So it's knowledgeable. The fans are awesome. tense. The league loves the different locations. I just don't think it's ever going to happen where a team has hit. I just think you're going to see like eight to 10 international series games a year. And that'll just be another package that the league can sell to a partner that wants to show the world off to the fans. Dude, in the meantime, I get rich eyes and calling games. That's good.

I know I've told you this before, but I do enjoy hearing you guys call those games. The last question for you, Rich, because the draft is going to be here before we know it, obviously. That's going to be the next thing we filled the calendar with after the combine and whatever else we're going to do before that first day to league year all this shit but the draft i always notice you're sitting there and you're running the show but you don't get to give your opinion about a prospect directly as much right like by design you know like you're you're the host of the show but i know you have opinions and i know you're sitting there and probably biting your tongue at times no no have you have you have you have you Have you ever like held it in when you were like,

that guy's not going to be very good? No, I don't. I will never. Honestly, that's not my role. My role is not. I'm not an all 22 guy. I am not deep in the rosters of,

of all 300 colleges. I'm just not. And I don't think that's my role. My role on a draft coverage is the following. I think I might, I don't know if I've told this to your audience before, but it is, it is the following.

It is to keep things moving, to keep things entertaining to the point where you want to keep watching this broadcast that is going to be over three days of a grand total of about 30 hours long. Like, I want to keep you engaged. I don't want you saying this guy's voice is annoying me. This guy's a douche. It's douche free broadcasting. That's my two cents. That's guy. And to get think, and my job is not to know which prospect is good or is a bad fit. It's my job to know the narratives for each team and what they've been looking for at positions, what the fan base is eager to see being drafted by their teams because the quarterback hasn't

been right for years or the running backs haven't been very good or the linebackers have not been very good. And here comes a linebacker or there was one on the board and they passed on it. That's my role is needs for teams. But really what fans are. are thinking as this thing goes down the draft door and also keep things in line like who's on the clock and what draft trades happened or hey you remember that trade for that player or this big moment well that draft choice that we haven't talked about in three months because that's when he was traded this is the pick this is now the personification of that draft trade that your team made to get more players. Now there's a human being that is in that

slot and remind everybody of that. That's my role over three days. I am not honestly sitting there biting my tongue about, oh, I'm not allowed to give my two cents on a player. I will never. But you have opinions. I might. Yeah. I mean, I got opinions. I don't have to break down that film. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, but I'm taking time away from Daniel Jeremiah and Charles Davis. You're right. And it's taken time away from Joel Clatt. And they have been, they've done to work. Like, like, as much as I'd love my Michigan Wolverines,

am I really going to tell Joel Clatt that this guy can do something that you don't know, Joel? And you've called six big noon Fox games for Michigan. Like, and you've been in the meeting rooms of these guys. I'm going to tell Joel. I don't know. Something I'm sitting on my couch about, you know, like. The shit is such a crap shoot.

I'm not saying to tell them about it. But even the experts are wrong 50% of the time. It's like gambling. It's like if you're going 54% of the time, you're like a fucking, you're a sharp, right? And so like my question to you is, have you ever internally been like,

I'm right about this guy? And you know you're not going to say it because your job is your job. Have you ever been wrong about somebody that you're like, no, I've never gone in that direction. You've never had that. I try to stay in my lane.

By the way, you know, your family friend of Mayock, do you think he would ever, he would ever allow me to give my opinion on a player that he disagreed with without slapping me down. Are you kidding me? Yeah, I can hear it. That guy, honestly, that ain't happened.

He's texted me the other day. Whenever I have a question about something on that side of things, he's, he's a good duty. Always answers and- One million percent, but don't stray out of your lane into his on live television. That's my, that's my only advice to you. Well, speaking of Mayock. Speaking of Mayock, if you guys, if there's any Raiders fans of listening,

go back and listen to his interview on, on our show last year. He was really open. And just you'll find it. You already knew this, but Mike is a great human being and a lot of fun. And can put a beer or two back. I've enjoyed meeting up with Mike in the city a couple of times. So, Rich, appreciate the time. Congratulations. I really mean it as somebody who's gone up and down way too much with Virginia sports. I can't even imagine. So good for you. Thanks, pal. Thanks for everything you do with my show. And anytime you want me on, you just, you know how to reach out. Thanks, my dude. Game day is the perfect pizza day. So make Little Caesars the official pizza sponsor the NFL part of your game day. Order online

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I was talking to somebody the other day about having more and more kids. They were about to have two kids. And I was like, I don't have any advice. You'll figure it out. You really don't need advice. What you need is the survival instincts to kick in around 28, 30 years old. Like, that's the way this thing goes. It's like I couldn't explain to my former self what it would be like with three kids.

You just fucking, you jump on the bus. It's moving. You jump on the bus. You try to hang on. You find a seat. You do what you're supposed to do. You figure it out. That's what cavemen have been doing for millions of years.

But there are certain things that they pass you by and you're just like, fuck, I can't do those things anymore. Like, am I not supposed to do these things anymore? Am I too old to do these things anymore? Do I not have time? Is it not logistically sound to leave my family of three? young children under seven to go do drugs on a bus outside of Nashville for three days and watch 70 bands at Bonnero. Is that a tough sell when it comes to my lovely wife? Are there going to be people there that are going to look at me and say I'm old? Okay, like that's the way I feel.

since I was maybe 25 for like a consecutive streak of five to six years and I've told this story on the pot a lot for people that just showed up or maybe you're just passing through for rich eyes and today I used to get I used to go to bonneru every year and I've tried a few of these festivals I've gone to Coachella okay the way I feel right now at at Bonneru is how I felt at Coachella when I was 27 years old I felt too old to be there You know, I didn't feel like a West Coast guy. It was a weird vibe. The last day I actually quit the festival. It was seven dudes in a house in the middle of the desert outside of Coachella. Indio, California, if that rings a bell. Anyways, we had this beautiful house up on a mountain. It was me, Danny Omedola, Bradford, some other guys.

That was our whole crew. That was our festival crew. And then whoever else was on the manifest that weekend. We go to Coachella for like an ambitious four nights. And Coachella's like Vegas. You know, there has to be a fucking limit to how long you can do that thing. Any of these festivals, really. But even at that age, I just remember waking up the fourth day.

And everybody's like, we're going to see Cage the Elephant or some shit. And I'm like, I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying. They're like, what? The festival is 40 minutes away. So like when you leave. The elephant. Yeah. And listen, I like KG Elephant. They're at Bonneru this year. I actually, there's a guy in KG Elephant. I have no idea what his name is. Maybe Nick, because I have this guy's number saved in my phone as Nick from KG the Elephant. I used to party at Bonarue. And one year, KG Elephant, I guess before they were like a really big deal, we were just hanging out with this dude. Nick from KG Elephant. I don't know what he does in that band. I think he plays guitar.

Nick Bachrath. Is he the lead singer? No, Nick Bachrath. But the point is I was like partying with Nick from Caged the Elephant. And then I ran to him like three boners later. And I was like, yo, dude, Nick? And he just walked right past me. You know, and that's the life musician. You know, he's just, who gives the fuck about me?

You know, he was really cool. I just don't think you remembered me. I think he was trying to get to a set or something. But anyways, the guys were like, you know, Caged the elephant or whoever Diplo was in 2012 is coming on. I think it was like 2010, so I can't even imagine. But I was in full festival mode, and by the fourth day, I just quit. And I said, I'm staying here in this house. And I had the scaries worst than I've ever had in my life. I'm alone in this house that looks like some Hollywood mogul probably murdered somebody in. And it's a ranch-style house, mid-century modern

appointments, big glass windows, a pool. It's just a little old me. And I feel like my brain is attacking my body right now. Like I'm losing my mind. You know the thing. After you've been day drinking and binge drinking for three days. And back in the day, there was no like governor. Now at the end of my nights, I stop, I drink water, I put a liquid IV in, I put an athletic greens. And I don't even know if athletic greens makes, does anything. I'm just putting it down the hatch. But back in the day, it was like multiple beers from the fridge and I need a shot of Jack to wash it down right before I go to sleep. Those were the kind of weekends and that day I just had enough and I'm sitting there with the scurries and I'm alone in the kitchen.

I'll vividly remember as that sun starts to go down over those mountains wherever the fuck I was and you really get the scaries. The scaries kick in when the lights change and a fucking big ass bird flies into the window. this big window and it flies into the house and hits the window trying to get out and it breaks this neck and so it's me and the bird

for an hour and a half and I don't mean to admit this but I didn't have it in me that day to put the bird out of its misery I was just me and the bird and I'm sitting there and I'm like this is rock bottom all my friends are at Coachella

I'm at this house that somebody probably got killed And I've been sleeping in a laundry room on the ground next to the washing machine because there's too many fucking people in the house and I don't mind sleeping wherever as long as this is a dark room. But I'm not doing good, man. And I need to see my friends that I have no way of getting there. So I finagle a ride. I'm going to make it. And when I show up, everybody's going to be so excited.

You know, like he's back. I run in that motherfucker and I'm talking three minutes before I get there. the Tupac hologram starts. Do you remember that Tupac hologram? Yeah, it was all over South Park, like two years later. I'm losing my mind, dude. I made the guy stop at a gas station, give me two king cobras,

just so I could muster the strength to reenter the horde of people, you know? Polished those bad boys off, felt better, went in, watched the Tupac hologram. that night, me, Sam, Danny got on a private jet, I think to go back to St. Louis for OTAs. We flew all night. I watched a documentary about the death penalty

because I can't sleep on planes. It's a dark plane. People are snoring. There's turbulence. I'm listening to a guy talking about his last meal. And capital punishment is a bad deal. I mean, everything's bad about this trip at this point. We get out.

we landed five in the morning go straight to St. Louis. We landed five in the morning. I get out. We get an SUV and we are on the line at seven in the morning. Okay? I was watching a fucking Tupac hologram nine hours ago.

Okay, 14 hours ago I thought I was having a mental health crisis. Okay, so I quit Coachella. Long story short, I don't know if I have this stuff in me anymore. We tried to make one last run at Bonarue, a couple a couple years ago the motherfucker got rained out you know some people would call that divine

intervention when a bunch of 30-somethings are trying to make a run at this thing again but we used to get a bus you know uh k adams has been to bonneroo okay me and k have talked about it k's been to bonneru sam bradford's been to bonnery uh danne mendole's been to bonnery lane johnson i got to go to bonnery one year if i'm forgetting anybody else notable that went to bonnero there's the who's who of this thing every year we'd run into some musicians you get no people I ran to John Hamm at Bonaroo so maybe I got some years left I'm no John Hamm but I could still go to Bonaroo it got it got to be a thing like shout out to coach Brian who coaches Tennessee High School football there he used to be one of the guys that

would drive us around in golf carts different shows I think he won a state championship since the time I met him but I keep in touch with all these people so it's hard for me to just say goodbye to this chapter in my life because I kind of want to go back and then the lineup comes out and i'm too fucking old i'm too fucking old man i'm looking at this lineup and if it weren't for the red hot chili peppers and big bold letters for post malone who i could pretend to enjoy i mean there's not i got nothing against post malone i just don't listen to post malone there's just not a lot of acts that i actually have their music or know their music and i'll go through and tell you who those people are crumbin however the fuck you

say it i still haven't figured it out read how do you say it how do you say it how do you say it. Didn't we have a thing? Yeah, we have a thing that you're right. Crungbin. Yeah. Crungbin. Crung bin. Krohn's awesome. They're there. I go to see Krumben. Gary Clark Jr. That's great. I love Gary Clark Jr. saw him at the Willie Nelson deal there. Oh, the 90th birthday party. Thundercat. We like Thundercat. I like 49 Winchester. I don't know if you guys ever heard of 49 Winchester, and they are from Virginia. Cage the Elephant. I wrote that one down because I know Nick from Cage the Elephant. okay i know nick and i know they're loud as fuck dude it's it's a good show okay but i don't know

case the elephant that well i just know nick nick don't know me he's like buda baker i don't know nick nick don't know you know uh diplo okay he's pretty good right it's it's just the he right it's just one guy diplo okay john batiste you know who that is read yeah he's great used to be the house band for um uh one of the late night guys cbs what's his name um colbert ferguson yeah colbert okay interesting because this guy's really he's really well known very well respected and and i don't know if i'm supposed to let this slip but i talked to rsillo who met him this weekend in l a and so he was the nicest human being like most down to earth dude super cool he's got riscilla's vote of confidence maybe we'll go see him.

Brittany Howard. I love Brittany Howard. I love the Alabama Shags. Sean Paul is that, and that show would be lit, dude. And you know there's some shows that, like, T. Payne was there one year. He's here this year. Okay, well, then maybe I'm going because I remember that show being incredible. Dude, his, he's got a live album right now under the covers.

He only does covers, and he does a War Pig cover. And it's fucking sick. Oh, the War Pig covers cool. Oh, it's so sick. war pick cover's cool that guy's talented as fuck but a guy who's you know from yesterday that people don't talk about is sean paul and i was just talking to ryan clark about sean paul today there's a guy named jason uh isabel uh and then we've got green sky bluegrass uh red hot chili peppers obviously i've seen red hot chili peppers at bonneroo and i maintain that that flea former guest

on the green light pod i'd like to get him back now that i'm a better interviewer uh flea is the best athlete I've ever seen on stage at a at a show he's got to be he never stops moving buddy the guitar is almost as big as him and he's jumping six feet off the ground with that motherfucker the whole show and the thing you don't realize again going back to the age thing 26 years old that was impressive to me I'm 38 now I tried to touch the rim the other night at my kids practice and I did but it wasn't pretty so like you know like I think about that guy being 50 plus years old jumping around that stage he's an incredible athlete uh and then this last one im du moktar have you ever heard of these guys holy shit they fucking rip i got to find out where they're from uh em do m do mctar the guitar

is incredible read um you want to add that they don't even have a wikipedia no they do they're uh They are, they're from the, the Nigerian village of, Nigerian village. They're from Nigerian. Okay. These dudes are like, which day are they? I don't know what day they are. They were down in like small print somewhere. Oh, Friday night.

That'd be sick. They're probably during like post Malone. I'd be the one guy that's like, I want to go here to hear this Nigerian rock and roll band. And everybody's like, you fucking hipster. But that's me. So layup line. I'm just going to put it out there to people listening. Like, go look at that Bonnaroo lineup.

Tell me, give me some hope for this lineup. I'm not saying there's not good artists here, but like, you know, the one that I couldn't go to that was rained out was incredible looking. I felt for a while like they got it. It was way too young. And, dude, my friend meant dual leap. I got a picture with do a leap at Bonaroo. My boy, dude dropped.

Member of the bus. Like, people are just walking around. around this place, like totally normal. This is before Dua Lippa was Dua Lipa. She was still Dua Lepa back then. But he also met Laura Lee from Crungben. No way. It's Dewey, man.

He's always got to like roll up to people and get good pictures. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways. You also got to check out Charles Wesley Gobwin. He's on there. Okay. A lot of people like Gregory Allen, Isaacoff, the Teske brothers. I will say Josiah and the Bonnevilles are really you would like them.

They're a good band. Okay. Neil Francis. I know of Neil Francis. Neil Francis is good. S.G. Goodman. Also great. So there's some, there's some small breakout guests.

Okay. Small breakout bands on here that are pretty solid. And you're not wrong about 49 Winchester. They're freaking awesome. Yeah, they are good, man. We used to meet my hockey boys there. That's how I met my guys from missing curfew. Shout out to those fellas.

those hockey dudes, man. I've been playing some flames totals the last couple weeks, preparing for the long winter after we have, like, what do I do without football twice a week? I'm playing, like, hockey games. Last night I had Flyers pens under six and a half goals. It's two to one at the end of the first period. I got people laughing me off the stage and the knives group text, okay?

But the fucking game ended 4-1 or whatever it was. Not important. Hockey's fun to back guys. I know we're about to enter the great beyond where we don't know what to do with our money or our time. Take a look at hockey. I know making likes tennis. We'll be back.

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