Green Light with Chris Long - Rich Eisen! NFL in Germany, Al Michaels Advice & MNF Recap.

Episode Date: November 16, 2022

(2:22) - Chris Long on MNF Washington Commanders vs Philadelphia Eagles, Taylor Heinicke is Ryan Fitzpatrick 2.0, Controversial Calls and NFC East Playoff Breakdown. (27:39) - Rich Eisen on Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs Seattle Seahawks in Germany, Receiving Play by Play Advice from Al Michaels, Odell Beckham Jr's FA Plan & One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. https://www.greenlightpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And in Michigan, 1-800-2707-1-17. Tennessee, y'all too. 1-8009-9-7-89. Welcome to the Greenlight Podcast. Oh, boy. We are excited to invite Rich Eisen on the show today. That's going to start in the second half. Chris and Rich discuss the NFL in Germany.

In week 10, the NFL successfully brought a game to that country. Rich Eisen was there. He can talk about it. He talks a little production meeting, gives some insight on some of the top players and meeting with them behind the scenes, and also the advice he reached out to Al Michaels for when doing some play-by-play for the first time in a couple years.

To start the show, Chris is going to talk Monday night football. the commander's surprising win over the Eagles and break down some of the controversial plays from that game. We all enjoy. We will be back on Thursday with Stanford Stephen Vita Veya. Friday's The Freak Show with a little Drew Bledsoe. So we got Rich Eisen day on the show,

and we'll get to that in a couple minutes, but obviously with the way things have staggered this week, we haven't had a chance to talk about the Monday night game. And I'm sure that brought a lot of people joy. A lot of people hate the Eagles, man. most hated, most hated. Some people don't want them to be America's team. The commies don't want them to be America's team.

If we're being honest, is what it looked like. The boys from D.C. Roll it up and beat my Eagles. Now, I've said this over and over again. Like, I'm fine with them losing. It's going to happen at some point. You know, I do think the fan base at times has gotten a little bit out over their skis,

thinking, you know, like, hey, we're going to be favored in every game. We're not, I don't say, I was losing. We could be, that's not the way things work. You know, somebody's going to punch you in the mouth at some point during the year, and you're going to have to learn from it. And that team last night was the commanders. And I warned everybody about, I hope you didn't bet the Eagles. These big lines are not covering.

Don't do it. Okay, we saw it with Kansas City and Tennessee. We saw it with, Kansas City, did Jacksonville cover this weekend? No. No, they didn't. Nine and a half and it was 10. It was 10.

So Kansas City remains the only team that's covered a big line, I feel like, all year because the bills lost straight out to the Jets. The list goes on. There's been a bunch of them that, just buyer beware. The distance between teams is not as big as you think this year, right? Right. Like so, and the commanders are better than they were a month ago. They were better now than they were when Carson went.

was starting. I mean, and that's part of the conversation is going to be, and people were already kind of having the conversation after the game like it is a conversation. And I preface anything I ever say about Carson with, that's my dude, but, you know, Carson the person's my dude, Carson the football player. It's my job to analyze the game. And I don't think he gives you as good a chance to win right now as Taylor Heineke, who make no mistake about it. He's going to throw the ball into triple coverage sometimes, right? He's going to, he's going to, he's going to, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, He's gonna throw the ball into three Vikings and an official and just hope that the official gets picked.

But he's also gonna make beautiful throws like the one he made to McLaren on the sideline last night. He's also gonna get out of trouble. He's gonna make heads up plays like the one he made at the end of the game last night, not taking a sack, not burning that ball into coverage. And more than anything, I think, he gives you a belief.

He gives your team a belief. I think that belief is so important. Like leadership, you know, that's kind of, kind of this moving target. And we all have different definitions for what a leader does and that sort of thing. But Taylor Heinecke is one of those players that being around him, you can tell,

makes you think that you can do anything, even if it's not necessarily true. Like the truth is, are the Commander Super Bowl contenders because they beat the Eagles last night? I don't know about that. But those guys, every time they take the field with Taylor Heineke as their quarterback, believe that they can win that Sunday.

And you saw that Monday night on the plane afterwards. Everyone's given their chain. Everyone's excited. He's holding a bush light and the team's around him. And even go back to Chase Young. What was it? A year or two ago. And Chase Young turned around and pointed, is pointing in his jersey after the win.

This team rallies around Taylor. They love him. They love him. You could see it in the interview after the game. I stayed up and watched, you know, a midnight sports center. And I'll say it one more time. This has been a long week here. It was really helpful to have.

And it kind of instructed, it was instructive to me, like I'm going to come in and get to work and provide other people a distraction because Scott and Steve provided me with a distraction. I watched that show last night and really sank into it and watched Terry after the game, you know, listen to what he had to say. And Scott did a really nice job with that

because Terry, he put him on the spot. he was like, hey, Carson's coming back. What do you think? Now, Terry didn't answer the question outright, but he kind of answered the question. And I don't like putting words in people's mouths because I'm not going to, you know, I'm not attributing a direct quote to this cat,

but my Terry McLaurin translator was like, yeah, no disrespect to Carson, but this guy, how could he not be the guy right now? You know, and 200 words on why, Heineke's great and seven words on why we've got an opportunity to win with whoever's under center. You know what I mean? 200 words on Taylor Heineke, seven words on we can win with anybody. So you can see it in the way people talk about him.

You can see he's a little guy. You see him sitting next to Chase Young. Chase Young is also enormous. Yeah. So one thing about Chase Young, we saw him at the NASCAR race. He was just towering above everybody. And I don't think he could be. describe better than Stanford Steve, Steve saying a Greek god. Just a chiseled Greek god.

Yep. And Taylor Heineke's a pretty average looking guy in pads, but what he gives you is anything but average out there. And so I think, I think, you know, it's easy to forget that he went toe to toe with Brady for, you know, a long stretch in that playoff game a couple years ago. And he's a guy is patient. He's patiently waited his turn. He doesn't seem like resentful. I'd be resentful if I were him. He's patiently waited his turn multiple times.

You know, he almost beat Brady in Brady's Super Bowl year in Tampa Bay. And then the next year they were like, well, you know, you're a backup again. And then the next year after that, after he came in and, you know, performed as a backup to replace the starter. And then this year, same thing. Is he the new Ryan Fitzpatrick? At some point, is he the new Fitsy? Fitsy came to Washington and anointed him. You know, you're my

successor. Yeah. No, honestly, because this guy, he just has got that kind of it factor. I know some people drives him crazy to hear people overhype players because they're well liked or whatever, but the cat is well liked and that goes a long way

in that building guys play for him. And I want to say this about Scott Turner because I have questions, Scott Turner's resume. I didn't know that he, you know, I alluded to to the fact that, you know, his dad helped him get that job. I mean, like, you know how it is with, with these coaches, a lot of times the nepotism and kind of the, it's who you know type thing. And again, how he got the job is one thing, but what he's done with this job in spots, I was really impressed with what Scott Turner did last night. And, you know, their game playing coming in. And not just to mention

Scott Turner, but also Ron Rivera. How can you not talk about that game Monday without talking about Ron Rivera? I mean, he could say all of four words after the game. My mom would be proud. And then he had to walk out and leave the room after he got the game ball. I guess he lost his mom this week, and that's a really tough thing. I mean, we talked about Devin White and the heavy heart that he played with, boarding a plane for fucking Germany and learning that his dad passed away and going out there

and playing football. It's another thing, though, to be down and have to be a leader. You know, I think that is a, that's a heavy burden. You know, he doesn't have a choice. He can't check out. He can't go to his room and be alone. He can't, being an NFL head coach, you're responsible for everything and you're responsible for the uh the vibe on the team you're responsible for the game plan you're responsible for delegation you're responsible for the travel decisions you make and there was no hiding for that guy this week and for him to go out there and coach the game the way he did that's why he's well loved and uh that's why you can tell the players after that ball game really think the world of him and this is a guy that we kind of left for dead

a month or two ago. I mean, how much has changed for this team? So I think you got to tip your cap to Taylor Heineke. I think you got to tip your cap to Scott Turner. Time possession was ridiculous, dude. Stairway to Heaven's longer than, if I turn Stairway to Heaven, is Stairway to Heaven longer than six minutes, 11 seconds?

I think it is. Yes. That's how long the Eagles had the ball in the first half, I think. Yep. So like, what is Stairway? like 638 or something. So needless to say, it's not ideal when your quarterback can't get into rhythm.

And although Brian Robinson. 802, the stairway to heaven. Well, it feels like 638 because it's so fucking good. But so some people think that's... What was the Wayne's world thing about when he went in the guitar shop and he was like, no stairway denied. Does that mean that, like, back in the day,

people would just go in there. Was it in fact that it was overplayed for people? Okay. It was not overplayed for me. And I just, the Eagles having the ball for six minutes is just, I cannot underscore how important that is. When you're playing a team that you think is better than you and has a lot of weapons offensively,

you got AJ, you got Dallas Goddor, who's now hurt. You have a whole host of weapons. out there, Devante Smith. You want to keep them off the field. You want to keep Jalen Hertz out of rhythm, you know? This is a way to do it. And they did a masterful job, especially considering it wasn't like they were breaking off a lot of explosive runs.

They just stuck to the game plan. And especially considering a fumble on their first drive, the Eagles go down and they're down seven points in the first couple minutes. Not what you expected you wanted to come out, punch them in the mouth. Instead, you stumbled and got punched yourself. And 12 of 21 on third down And you let the Eagles make the big mistakes I mean you talked about a fumble the first possession

You're probably not supposed to win a game Where you golf up the cookies on the first possession And the team that's favored by 11 goes in and scores right But very resilient we saw that A couple weeks ago when Tennessee walked into a beehive In Kansas City and they're up nine nothing And they're fucking they are just I mean the crowd's going crazy

And you're like this is a hostile environment But they found a way to battle back And that's what this is. team, you know, has got in them. And it starts with the head coach and it's all that head coach and the quarterback. The person out of this team is really good. That's why I wouldn't, I wouldn't fuck it up right now if I were there. So a big win for them.

And they were, they were, there were some bad calls. Okay, so Eagles fans listening. They're like, well, you know, the face mask. And I do think face masks should be reviewable on turnovers. I don't think it's too much to ask. Guys neck sideways It's hard to hang on to the ball You're kind of worried about your fucking neck

Your head coming off your neck It's a bad feeling When somebody's got the side of your face mask They missed that call There were other calls they missed You know the Eagles also got bailed out A little bit on that pick play On third and eight or whatever it was late in the game

I thought that was I agree with Troy Aikman I thought that was a And you know people are going to complain About the BG call This is a delicate situation for me because he's one of my great friends, and I don't want to pile on,

but you can't make that penalty, right? And he knows that, and he was accountable. One of the reasons that I think this team is going to be fine is not only that they're really fucking good, and this happens, but you have great leaders on this team, and BG is one of them. I'll talk more about that in a second.

As a rusher, we are trained when we see a quarterback go down to touch him down. we're partially trained that way because we got to finish the play. We're partially trained that way because there is this intrinsic competitiveness in us to beat our buddy to the quarterback.

Like we say it all the time. A race to the quarterback, right? There were countless times where probably me and BG race to a quarterback who was down. Because you want to finish the play and that's mine. You know what I mean?

And him and Hassan, who were probably both late, by the letter of law, that's a penalty. You know, and I know some people were saying, and in the first angle to me, I was like, that's tiki-tag. I was with everybody. But then when they showed the play behind, you know,

and you could really see BG plant his foot and take four steps, redirect on the second step, put his foot in the ground, all after Heineke had hit his knee. Like, by the letter of the law, that's the right call. I think my issue is more, and certainly if he could do that over again, he wouldn't fuck it up. my issue is that's not something that happens much

uh quarterbacks don't take knees in the pocket a lot and would it have happened to me maybe it would have happened to me and I'd be sitting in BG's situation the next day with with other people parsing my decision um so I'm not above making that mistake it never happened to me I never saw a quarterback take a knee abruptly on what might be the biggest down in the football game when BG gets in his stance on third down there

you're thinking this is my fucking opportunity to make a play to save this game for us, as he's done so many times before. And as past rushers, we cannot wait for those opportunities. You know, there's nothing like a third down when you have an opportunity to change the entire game in one play. And I think he was just so in that mode

that he wanted to finish that job. But Taylor Heineke taking a knee is a problem. Okay, it's the right call, but it's a problem. And that's a wrinkle that the NFL should look at. If a quarterback wants to go down, he's got to forcefully throw himself on the ground. There can't be this kind of take a knee thing

and pop back up. And one of the reasons is so dangerous, dangerous for Taylor Heineke. You saw the way he got bent back. He's lucky he didn't tear his MCL or something. Your ankle gets caught in the ground as you're putting all your weight on that knee, and BG puts 285 pounds on

fucking BG in your face. I mean, you're going to fold like a goddamn chair at Robert Quinn's wedding. That's what happened to me. Sitting and sat down at Robert Quinn's wedding in the Bahamas in the fucking chair just like a bunch of toothpicks on the beach in the Bahamas, a bunch of people getting off the cruise ship

or looking at me laughing. That's what would have happened to Taylor Heineke. And he's lucky it didn't. So I think it's unsafe for quarterbacks to be able, to take a knee in a live pocket. It's also, it's impossible to train your brain as a defensive lineman and say, okay, I'm going full speed right now and now he's taking a knee. I am not denying that BG could have stopped his momentum, but it's such a curveball.

And I don't know that he had seen that situation before. A lot of times, quarterbacks go down. They throw themselves on the ground or they slide down, but you don't see him take a knee a lot. And I think that's what made that really tough. So something that the NFL could look at, but they probably won't, because this is a tough way for the game to end objectively. And I'm not saying the call was wrong. I'm not saying BG shouldn't have been smarter.

In fact, he easily could have stopped his momentum. People that say he couldn't have stopped his momentum, they have too much confirmation bias. I'm sitting here I'm telling you. He's one of my good buddies. It's just a tough situation to be in. So the BG play, you know, BG didn't blow this game. You know, Quez Watkins didn't blow this game.

Landon Dickerson didn't blow this game when he got blown up by Jonathan Allen at the end of that game before the Montez Sweat sack, I think it was. Yep. That was one of the most big boy rushes I've seen all season long. My God, they did not make a big enough deal about that rush. Just want to pause for a second and talk about that rush. where he threw a giant fucking man out of the club, dude.

That is a hell of a football player and a strong individual. I just picked Len Dickerson because he had a holding call too. I'm not singling him out. I'm just saying that I'm illustrating there were plenty of opportunities for this team to win that game. So it's not just BG, it's not just Cuez Watkins, but as their leader said, and that's Jalen Hertz, who I would go to battle for any day from the outside looking in,

we have been repeat offenders of leaving money on the table is the words he put. I love how succinctly he puts things. And eventually that catches up to you. And now is your opportunity to respond. And I'm watching SportsCenter, I'm listening to Ryan Clark, and I thought this was brilliantly put.

If you are winning, it's hard to make you feel like you lost, which sounds very obvious. But if you played in the NFL, you know that not every win is equal. And a lot of times you get lucky. right and you'll come in the building and if you got a bad coach coach is just going to move on the next thing but if you got a good coach coach

is going to call it how he sees it which means if you lose and you play great that's just the way cookie crumbles we got to pick it up in this little area this little area the margins man there but if you if you win and you play like shit you should hear about it and they've played bad at times this season and gotten away with things for stretches this is part of growing up as a team you have have to lose to feel like you lost. There's no, there's no, oh, well that felt like a loss. We got our ass chewed after that win.

We had no business letting Detroit back in the game. We had no business doing this, that, and the third. You gotta get punched in the face. And they got punched in the face last night on a big stage and it hurt and it should hurt. And the leadership on this team from Jalen Hertz to Brandon Graham taking accountability in his locker after that game saying that's on me.

that's why they're going to be fine. Because they're a young team in their journey, right? This is a new window for them. This is not, the DNA of that Super Bowl team is there, and Lane Johnson and Kelsey and a couple of those guys, Fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham, but this is a different team, right? So they're young in their journey,

but what they have is they have some war dabbies, dude, some guys that have been there, done that, and a young quarterback who actually, like he's 34 years old. So I feel just fine about the Eagles. The same deficiencies they had before this win, they still have. You have to stop the run.

You shouldn't have to rely on Jordan Davis to stop the fucking run. There's 32 other teams in pro football, 31 other teams in pro football. None of them have Jordan Davis. Okay? So you got to find a way, whether it's bring somebody in off the street.

I don't know if Sue's sitting around somewhere. I don't know if it's Limbaal Joseph, but somebody's got to come. in to stop the bleeding there or they got to do it and they got to do it right away. Brian Robinson 86 yards after contact. Yeah. The best in his career. That's a big number. It's a big number. And you know, Terry McLaurin's on safeties last night. Did you hear him on the mic? Did you hear the mic boom pick that up? Don't put safeties on me. Yep. I love that kid. That's a confident player. I love that kid. He's confident, but he's not,

he's not arrogant, you know, which is a really tough thing for a wide receiver to pull off. Yeah, I put him in it, that competitive, like, fire he has, I put him up there with Stefan Diggs, the way he, the way he competes. No, just that competitive, like, there's competitors, and then there's those guys who it's everything. And that's infectious, and that's why Washington's a force to be reckoned with, and why the Eagles shouldn't have slept on them last night, this is going to be good for him.

So, listen, if you're an Eagles fan, I wouldn't, I wouldn't panic. And I wouldn't panic that the Vikings are ahead of the Eagles on some power rankings. Again, that stuff's fickle. Who gives us shit? Who gives a shit? We're way too sensitive about this stuff, right?

It's all about what happens in January. So let's get there. And yeah, my layup line is gonna be a young bleed, give and take. Because it is, you win some, you lose some. You spend some on them when you choose them. It's cold work, it's a cold game. If you learn to give and take, it ain't no thing. So a lot of people don't know Young Bleed,

but Young Bleed was a fucking legend. In high school, we used to sneak off and pack dips in my buddy's Mountaineer and listen to Young Bleed. So spend a little young bleed today, Reed, for the Eagles. It's a give and take, man. Ain't nothing sweet when milk money, ain't enough to feed a Tommy. We mom is fighting.

This land of milk and honey. So here's rich eyes and I become good on celebrity Living in jeopardy player I'm not with someone never be So I really can I say this? I did not realize I become such good friends with Rich Eisen I didn't have that on my bingo card For my post playing career dude

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Gambling problem in Arizona, call 1,800 next step. In Colorado, Indiana, New Jersey, and Virginia, call 1-800-Gambler. And in Michigan, 1-800-2707-1-17. Tennessee, y'all 2, 1-8009-9-7-89. All right. So very graciously, I have Rich Eisen joining me. And he's back from Germany. And he was raving about this experience. It looked great on TV, Rich, better in person. It's incredible. Honestly, I know Brady said it was one of the best experiences he's ever had in football. And, you know, obviously, that's been there, done that guy. And it was just like any Super Bowl I've been to, to be honest with you, you know, week long buildup, town, you know, you felt, you felt everything in the town. you know, huge event in the stadium, massive pregame, you know, ceremonies, Tom Brady's playing in it. Gina Smith, too. Gino Smith was on the side of that big hotel.

People were making a big deal about that. Was there another hotel that had Brady on the side of it, Rich? I don't know. I don't know. But there were faces everywhere. I mean, I passed by, you know, I guess it's these like these kiosks that they have in Europe. Levanti David was on one. You know, I mean, it was everywhere.

And fans were of all different 32, all 32 teams were repped just walking around town. And people were from, you know, coming from other continents. Like they were coming from Asia. They were coming from Africa. You know, this is further, obviously, southeast than the UK. So it attracted a different. geography of fans in the same way, you know, like moving the draft out of New York and putting it in the Midwest. In Chicago, you had a different group of fans because of how close the draft was to those other fan bases that wouldn't ordinarily go to New York.

So there was just a whole different vibe to it. The stadium was sweet. It was just awesome. There's no doubt in my mind the NFL is going to have a game or two in Germany forevermore. Do you think that you've been there? I mean, like, obviously, the atmosphere is great when we go to London. I love going to London. I mean, I don't love the jet lag. I don't know if I'd want to play there on a team in London. But do you think that the NFL is biting off more than they can chew

if they attempt to move a team somewhere international? Yeah, of course, you know, but I don't know if that's really the end game. Yeah. Rick, is that that they would have a market there permanently. I don't know how you can do that. I know that there has been a conversation about a division. So you're going to create four teams. That means four more owners that would be there taking a chunk out of the pie.

Right? So I don't know how many owners will raise their hands. Current owners in the NFL raise their hands say absolutely take, you know, one more eighth out of my chunk of the pie. Go for it. you know um i don't even know if that's the math no it's a we'll ask jim or say what the math is he was he's talking quadrants they're in the yeah you know they're in the upper quadrant of the upper quadrant yeah there's whatever that means i don't know but i'm so jet lagged right now i can't even like stand you know but i'm 53 year old man with a lot of shit going on you know so uh by by the way that's

you know not personal i've got you know just but i'm i'm i'm really just whacked out right now and God bless Russ saying that you know he doesn't get jet lag I don't know what human being doesn't I mean it's really significant significant right now when you go over there it's really hard and there's a whole there's a whole strategizing that goes into like hey when if I'm a head coach I'm going to decide which day we go over there like how we want to acclimate guys circadian rhythm guys are talking about what Jeff Fisher took us over there and we weren't allowed to go to sleep we got there in the morning and the idea was if you go to sleep, you know, during your first day there, you're never going to be on time. So you walk

in a lobby, they get these bright lights, you know, that people use for a seasonal depression disorder, which I think I might have, not making light of it. But they got these big, like, parking lot lights in the lobby. You know, there's no, there's no going back to your room to take a nap. There's a whole, there's a whole thing that goes into the science of going international. And so it's interesting to see how teams do or don't do things when they go over there. Yeah, I was walking with Pete Carroll from the practice field to, you know, the office space where we would have our production meeting. And he was talking to me about how they have a whole sports science staff that mapped out when they should leave and what they're going to do when

they arrive. And they went from the airport straight to practice. And then after that, they went bowling to celebrate Drew Locke's birthday because they wanted to keep everyone up. Didn't we all? You know, like Drew Locke, he loves bowling, apparently, and they found, like, God bless Pete,

he found like a Munich lanes for them to go bowling in to stay up another few hours. And the bucks arrived the next day because, you know, they're from the East Coast. I mean, Seattle traveled nine time zones, man. That's serious business. And I have no idea what, you know, caused the game to go the way that it did.

Because I saw a Seattle team that was like wired at practice. They were locked in and music was blaring. And the Buccaneers were a totally different vibe. And they were come like the Seahawks were like peep, like chomping gum, you know, bouncing off the walls and stuff. And coming in on a four game win streak and the Bucks were all like, man, you know, nothing's really worked the way that we wanted to this year. but it was a great way that the game against the Rams ended. And if we can get to the by week at five and five and come back healthy, who knows what can happen.

And that's the team that wound up, that wound up winning and, you know, having the more dominant game. It was amazing. You called that game and I thought I texted you to tell you this. I mean, I mean this, you're good at that.

I mean, like you're doing the play by play stuff. It's such a different skill set, right? Than doing this. Oh, God, Chris. No doubt. I mean, like, we rehearsed for the Saints Cardinals Thursday night game. So that was like whatever that was late October.

And all four of us, we went into some studio with a green screen behind us and, you know, and mimicked what the setup was going to be like. And, you know, I've done it before, but I haven't done it three years. And I just noticed that I was talking a lot, you know, and there's three other voices to get in there. And by talking a lot, I mean like I was stringing sentences together because that's what I normally do here on this show for three hours and game day morning for four. And it's a totally different endeavor. And, you know, I'm fortunate to have, you know, 20 plus years in this NFL world.

So I reached out to Al Michaels. And I'm like, you know, if I have that opportunity in that avenue to reach out to somebody, I mean, who better to reach out. to somebody. I mean, who better to reach out than him. And I told him, like, I need to be a little bit more brief. Like, I need to, you know, let the game breathe a little bit. And he told me some of great advice. He says, calling a game is you speak in captions and ellipses. And by captions, he means just caption the picture. And the ellipsies is like, you know, a dot, dot, dot in your sentence. You don't need to finish your sentence. Let the picture finish your sentence for you. you know, when you're describing a play and you're, you know, you're seeing this incredible

pass, you don't need to say that's an incredible pass. All you're going to do is he throws, you know, like you use your voice to actually throw the ball. He's going the ball with his voice. Right. And that, that's, I've heard him do that. That's fucking crazy. Like that's, that's the sort of stuff we were talking about. And, you know, like I wanted to have that sort of mentality and it's, it ain't easy. But so I appreciate you, you saying what you say, because it means a lot. No, it was cool. And, you know, somebody got, who got thrown out of the club,

you did got thrown out of the club by Richard White and the whole thing. Like, I was like, I woke up in Vegas and I was not as hungover as I thought I was going to be. But, you know, I rolled out of bed and it's the second quarter, which is pretty damn early in Vegas. And I'm like, oh, Rich is calling the game. And I thought you guys did a really nice job. And obviously, it was a really good week. And it's a good week for the NFL, right? Because even if they're not moving a team,

over there. They want to grow the game. And it's so funny to me when you go play in London. I was joking on your show and you can catch me on Rich's show every Monday at 1115. But we were playing the Jags. And the Jags are like, they're a home team in London. Like people, I don't know what it is

about the Jaguars. What kind of shit the NFL did to these people's brains subliminally to make them Jaguars fans, but they love the Jags. There's also a lot of random jerseys littering the stadiums. as you alluded to.

And I was wondering, was there any, did you, did you see anything you didn't expect? Like I saw a guy in a Brady Quinn jersey in the bathroom in Vegas, the sports book. And I was like, oh, this is interesting. That's not what I expect to see. Was there a team or a jersey representation that was weird for you? Yeah.

I didn't see like an old school one. If I'm not mistaken, I think. Waddle wears the same number that Tannahill did there in Miami and I think I might have seen a Dolphins Tannahill jersey I may have seen that

but you know and in terms of the Jaguars you know they they have a UK following there and now that Shod Khan owns the team he owns Wembley you know so that's why they play in Wembley and not Tottenham mostly when they go over there but I do believe Brady I had the

stat written down on my on my, my board, you know, whatever the piece of paper is that the oak tag or whatever you want to call it, that you have all your information on and players, I wrote down on it. I believe Brady did in fact throw for the number of yards that he needed to, to pass Blake Bordels for the most passing yards in the history of international games. That's good. Oh, yeah. And they love Blake over there. They love Blake over there. And the Jags are really popular in the UK, but what I found out was the Seattle is the second most popular team behind the Patriots in Germany. And they turned out accordingly, I'm sure.

Right. And so they did. And I ran into two guys from Sweden who were, because I Instagram live, me strong. I went to the beer gardens on Saturday. I, you know, my, my, my oldest son had a school play, his school play. And so my wife did not make the trip because we were, you know, splitting up duties where I would do, I was doing the game. Otherwise, she would have been in Munich with me. You know, and so the reason why I bring this up is, you know, she wasn't there.

And I would just have, you know, time on my hands just by myself. And so we had already done our visit to Alians on Saturday to just, you know, see the booth. And we came back and I had four hours to kill. So I walked to the beer gardens and just, you know, like a kid. kid on Instagram live just to show, you know, what's going on. And I walked through the beer gardens and ran into a whole bunch of NFL fans who were NFL network game day morning viewers. They see it over there, ran into these two dudes from Sweden, from, we're big Seahawks fans. We, I bought them some blue vine, which I didn't know existed, this hot wine.

Hot wine. And yeah, man. I mean, so I really, you're really sinking into the cultural experience. I was. And, you know, if I didn't know. have that meeting at five in the afternoon, I would have been doing everyone else was doing, which is drinking huge ass, you know, Steins with undertowes worth of beer, you know, at 1230 in the afternoon. And, um, in jet, Germany jet fans and Germany Patriot fans and seeing them from all over there, they're diehards. They really were, they knew the sport and they, you know, it wasn't one of those games where, you know, um, where a timeouts called, but there's a big play and you hear a big scream like they think it's really a touchdown.

they were on it. Like they were really on it. They, they knew the game, and they knew cheering, and they knew what the calls were. And sometimes in some London games, you would get the sense that they're kind of still picking up on it.

And I know that London fans might be. They're a diehard Irish NFL fan as well. But, you know, the German fans were really on it, man. They really were. That's awesome.

And a great day for the league. Like, good day for the league international. for multiple reasons, number one, because Tom Brady looked good and the Bucks looked more relevant. And I thought this was really interesting Sunday. And I wonder what you think about this. The NFL's been down this year. Like objectively, the quality of play, there's a lot of bad teams. Tom Brady said it. He's right. I mean, if you look at these slates, there are very few games between two teams with winning records. Now, that's changing. Teams are rounding into form, you know, the middle class.

the NFL isn't as strong maybe, but the point is the quality of these games, albeit they've had close games, have not been, it hasn't been electric this year, objectively, in my opinion. Now, Sunday it was because you had the game of the year, so you had Buffalo and you had the Vikings, but you also woke up to Tom Brady winning, and at the end of the day, you tuned into Sunday night fresh off of Green Bay, Dallas, and Aaron Rogers getting his shit together. And I think that for the NFL, when football starts to mean something, it gets colder. You know, you can feel it, right? It's that time of year.

To round into form this way. If I'm Roger Goodell, I probably feel very good about this past weekend. Yeah, and in between the Munich game and the Packers and the Cowboys was Bill's Vikings, which was just dynamite. And the Justin Jefferson catch, the Dalvin Cook run with the Justin Jefferson Block. And then the bills getting a stop on fourth an inch

to win the game if they only could you know, get their victory formation out of the end zone or at least in Josh Allen's hands. And that was a dynamite game, but you know, certainly because the Vikings

are a team that I don't think anybody saw coming to be 8 and 1 and on, you know, part record-wise with Philadelphia, which also got shocked on Monday night. It was a week of unforeseen results, exciting action. And I understand that you're saying that the game was down and the league, I guess, is down. And I would agree with you. But it's also wide open. I mean, there's a third of the league. You could throw out a team and we could, the two of us put our

heads together and show why they could potentially win it all from Miami to Cincinnati to the Ravens to the Cowboys and Giants to the Seahawks to the Bucks, Vikings, just to name a few. Obviously, the Chiefs are won. You might be able to throw the, and obviously the bills are one. You could throw even the jets potentially and the Titans in this mix. Let's throw the jets in there, Rich. I don't know. I still, again, and that's part of the reason why the league is, you know, down as well because we're not talking about Zach Wilson as a top 15 quarterback. The Jets are a top 15 team, but their quarterback is not. You could say the same thing about the Giants as well. And that's part of the reason why I think the league is down. And I'm waiting to find out,

are we ever going to see the college football world? Since college football is, you know, their offenses are now all over the NFL. And that is something that Brady and Kurt Warner talked about in our meeting, in our production meeting, is how the game has changed over the last 20, 25 years and how college football offenses are now in the NFL more than ever before. And I'm just waiting to see, you know, because you see a ton of great quarterback play in college football. You know, will we ever see a season where 24 of the 32 quarterbacks in the NFL are top-notch starters? You still don't see that. You don't see it. The bottom is, I mean, like, yeah, you're right.

There's, it doesn't seem like it goes that deep. And this year, I mean, I think we're seeing it over the course of a couple years, whether it was Drew Breeze or the Phillip Rivers or Matt Ryan. Well, he's revived now, but he was left for dead last week. You know, he's another borderline hallfamer guy. You have Brady. You have, you have obviously, you have obviously Rogers. And the power vacuum that that leaves, the entertainment vacuum that that leaves where two games.

It's kind of like when there's an international game. you can feel how, it's like the 1 p.m. slate is much lighter. So the absence of one game creates a totally different feel on Sunday. I don't know if you notice that. Like when it's around the holidays and the games are less, like I can focus on all the games better. The same way that affects the slate from like, you know, a standpoint of what you got on each TV.

Not having two of the greatest players to ever play the game, playing good football and good teams really creates a, you know, a bit of a vacuum. And I think it's nice if they if they round into form for the league. And for all the reasons you just mentioned, I mean, like some of the best teams in the league are not quarterback by the best quarterbacks.

And so it is hard to call this year. And I think it'll work itself out in November and December. But to this point, I have not enjoyed some of the football I've seen. And Tom was very right to point that out. And I want to, you said production meeting with Tom Brady, do the production meeting right here. Like what's that like sitting in a production meeting with Tom Brady?

Amazing. Just great. I mean, you know, Todd Bowles was in there first and Brady just walks in. Normally, you know, the quarterback doesn't just walk in. Yeah, right? They wait in the ball. Wait for coach to be done. And I'm not saying that that's not, you know, any sign of disrespect from him, the Bulls. Like he had nothing great things to say about Bulls.

But it's just like, okay, he just sat, he just walked in. and sat in the corner. And then it was just like, okay, thanks, coach, for being here. Yeah. And at least that was my sense of it. And Tom sat there and just was straight up, no bullshit, honest for 20, 25 minutes. And I was telling this story on my show today. Like, obviously we let Kurt take the, you know, the first question, quarterback to quarterback,

especially since, you know, Tom's first Super Bowl win. was over Kurt, which is something I also said to Kurt at one point. I'm like, can you believe it's 2022? And the guy that prevented you from winning your second is still playing? You know, like, it's really wild. But Kurt basically said to Tom, like, you know, what are you seeing on film that's not working as well than you thought? And Tom kind of gave Kurt this look like, aren't you watching the same film? I'm watching. And then proceeded to be honest about what's not working. and it was almost everything. And you could see that Brady was bristled a little bit, disappointed,

but also really engaged. Like this is, he wasn't checked out. And I know that there's some people have used the word disinterested with him this year. He was not checked out at all. He was checked in. And also just like bristling, like he's not four and five. Like, that's not Tom Brady, like ever. And the question was, you know, that I was sensing throughout this is, does he think that the answers are in that room?

And I got the sense as we were going along that he did think they were in that room, but maybe was at least the sense I got, like, knowing that it was still an open question whether the answers in that room would actually hit. And he was talking about, though, and the same thing from Lefwich was that they were close, you know, and that the last 44 seconds against the Rams was an indication that the corner could be turned or had been turned. And man, it was, you know, like the team that I saw on Sunday, like they couldn't run it worth a lick. and they kept running it and they ran it down Seattle's throat. And they couldn't stop anybody running it either. And they stopped Kenneth Walker cold. And Brady was winging it, man.

Like he looked 25, not 45. And he also looked at in person, you know. I mean, honestly. Yeah, it's nice to look that way. I know that. But I mean, you know, I mean, I was seeing him from afar on TV and he looked gone, not in person. And like I said, he did not look, checked out, disinterested, you know, disparated. You know, he was definitely a guy that's not used to being four and five.

But he was, it was great. It was just great being a fly on the wall. And, you know, gronk's not coming back. That's not happening. And I don't know if Odell's, you know, would consider going there. But I asked him again, and I said this on the broadcast, you know, have you spoken to Odell about coming? He said he hadn't spoken to him in a long time. I wonder what that would happen.

I would have expected to hear something by now, but I've kind of checked out of that story and just have waited for the next shoe to drop because it seems like a lot of buildup for something, you know. Well, I think Odell, I said it on the show last week before I went to Germany that O'Dell has kind of stumbled on one of the opportunities that we've never seen in the NFL. It's like he should just sit out every training camp

and every last two months of the season and just sign for, eight weeks with every team that can give him the best chance to win that he knows he can just stroll in and help out like he did for the Rams. And, you know, obviously having a blown out knee is not the way that, you know, that you want to get there. You want to go about it. But last year, he became a free agent in the middle of the season and chose whichever spot.

They went a Super Bowl. And now, you know, he's going to do it again, one would think, and have a best chance to win a Super Bowl. And so, you know, you could take a look around. Like, where could he join that he would put them, put this team over the top? Buffalo could be one. Buffalo could use that. I mean, Buffalo could use that. Ravens could sure use that. Green Bay could use that. Why wouldn't Cincinnati want to throw him in there? Green Bay could throw him. I don't know if you'd want to go to Green Bay. If he wants to go back to the Giants. I mean, my good. I think the Giants, it's the dark horse in this thing. Because I think this next decision as much as anything,

if I'm putting myself in Odell Beckham's shoes, which I'm careful about, because I have no idea what his motivations are. And when we're free agents, we all have different motivations. It's like, you know, when I was a free agent after St. Louis, I looked at New England.

I looked at Washington, you know, like totally different destinations with different motivations. And it's almost like, hey, if I'm doing A, I look at this set of teams. If I'm doing B, I look at this set of teams. And having nuance in that discussion and your inner dialogue with yourself is okay.

I think that he could look at New York as a way to, you know, put a bow on this thing to transition into the next career for him. I mean, he's not going to be able to do movies or fucking be in entertainment in Appleton, Wisconsin. So if he's going up to Green Bay, he's going to think, hey, this is my opportunity to win and play with a great quarterback. If he's going to New York, maybe, you know, you feel like they're good, but more than anything, you feel like this is an opportunity for you to find a home,

you know, because he's bounced around a little bit. I know it's been a long couple years for him, and I could see him wanting to land somewhere that's like, I could be here the next 10 years, you know what I mean? I don't know. Somebody's going to have to offer him a long-term deal for that. Honestly, there's another one where if you want to put yourself on a map to get on a cereal box or anything,

I mean, Dallas would be a pretty huge spot as well. I just don't know. I mean, would Philadelphia take them and throw him in there? Do they, I mean, everyone could use his ability to take the top of the defense off. San Francisco would kind of like blow the roof off that sucker if he winds up there. But it's his choice. And that's why I'm saying, like every year, man, why do you need to sit in some, you know, cinder block dorm room in a hundred degree temperature in August and play weeks one through eight

and find out you're on a team that's got no shot to win it? when you could just stroll into somebody's shop and week 10 after the trade deadlines over and say, who needs me? You know, go hang out with your kid. With fresh legs too. All right, so let me answer this question because I'm looking at L.A., they're so,

they're so bad. Okay, like there's no other way to say it. Like maybe they started the season with big aspirations and the Super Bowl hangover is real and all that stuff, but like they're not talented right now. Cooper Cups hurt. I just saw that. Stafford was out with a concussion,

but he's not playing. I mean, like, in my opinion, he's older. He's not going to get younger, okay? The offensive line's not getting any better at protecting him. They've had injuries. And then they've missed Vaughn Miller. And, you know, they've been playing this fuck them picks game, which I totally respect.

Less neat is my guy, and they're Super Bowl champs. At the end of this season, Rich, they're going to pick pretty high, right? You would hate without a first and the second to stay where you are from a standpoint of like, oh, we're going to, we're gonna find another veteran quarterback or we're gonna hit free agency hard or whatever. Like they were so desperate they tried to send two ones for Brian Burns.

I don't think things are good there right now. So my question is at the end of this season, if you're less need, is Aaron Donald on the table? Is Jalen Ramsey on the table? Because if I'm the GM, and I mean this respectfully, I floated this on my last show, but I had nobody to talk to about it, I think those players need to be on the table.

Depending on how you feel about Aaron and finishing as a, ram and that sort of thing, you know, in the legacy piece of it. I don't know that Aaron wants to sit through a fucking rebuild. And I think, I don't know. Where would he play? But except, I mean, would he go to Pittsburgh? I mean, would I floated that?

Well, I floated that until you. That's a perfect one. Pittsburgh. Philadelphia. You know, people don't know where Fletcher Cox is going to be in the future. I'm looking at like legitimate. Did he get a no trade? I'm trying to sit here and think maybe he got a no trade with, with part of his

deal too. I don't know if he'd want to play somewhere else. And I don't know, you know, if Jalen Ramsey has the ability to say no, to go somewhere. I don't know, man. I just think that this season went down the tubes when the offensive line crumbled in front of Stafford, you know, and got hurt. Whitworth retired and the offensive line gets hurt and they can't run it. We all know how important the running game is to this offense. Odell gets hurt. So, you know, you could see how what a difference maker he was last year, and Cup was running a one-man operation that was actually working. So maybe they just figure this is just a hangover year where they got banged up,

and this is set up, you know, for the moment in the, you know, in the short term for them to just run it back one more time. I don't, I, Rich, I just think they're, I think their, their windows already gone. No, I mean, like, when, you, well, you, well, you, saw that with Philly. Like our window closed and it wasn't my window anymore because I got the fuck out of

there after 2018. But the window closed right pretty quick and then they opened it back up because they did something dynamic. They drafted Jalen Hertz. They hit on some picks. Like they got busy in free agency. They invested in the linebacker room. They've invested

in corners. I just wonder it's like one of these things like all right you don't have a first and second round pick. I can't imagine they're going to be able to build sustainably over the next couple years, especially if Stafford's done, right? Or Stafford says, I don't want to do this anymore.

I don't want to run this back, or they don't feel like he's the guy anymore. I do feel like they have to look at some of these really outside the box solutions to recoup some of these picks. If you think about something like Philly's got New Orleans first round pick, what does Philly need right now? I mean, they need a couple things, but they don't need a whole lot.

You know, like they could ship that pick to L.A. And, you know, then you've got this, you've got, you got Hassan Reddick, you have Josh Schwett, you have Fletcher Cox, Malik Jackson, inside, like, Jordan Davis. That D-Line is fucking terrifying. I'm just

throwing that one out. Pittsburgh, you want to bring him home, right? Maybe he wants to finish his career at home. You know, there's, and this is totally speculative. I'm buddies with AD. We have not talked about this. I would not dare bring it up. Hey, do you want to be traded next year if I let this take fly on my podcast? Am I insulting you?

it's it's not that he's not playing well it's just that the rams i don't see a bunch of ways forward for them and maybe that's why i'm not a gm but i just like i don't see them waving a wand and fixing this well certainly not this year i mean with cup i don't even know what they're you know who who who who who does it you know the the their rams are taking on the saints like in the saints defensive meeting rooms i mean who are they circling saying we're not going to let this guy beat us you know and so i mean honestly i i i don't know either but i i've been banging the drum i'm you know obviously less is um you know great and so is macbay and i i just think maybe they just say this is this is a this has just been a dreadful year hasn't been our year last year was

let's run it back one more time they may have no choice but to do it interesting interesting interesting off season and then tracking the nfl off season i mean like there could be we're already talking about some of these first year head coaches as candidates to be fired and be on. I don't like speculating this stuff, but that's what we're doing. And with some of these guys, maybe for good reason,

I don't know, like, why is there a leash? Like, you know, I understand, I've at times been like, give this coach time.

But where are you on how much time a coach should have to show at least some level of competency? Because I think we've talked about this a little bit on your show. Yeah. But Hackett, McDaniels. like people made a big deal about Jeff Saturday. I thought the process was a little crazy, but they beat the race. I mean, when Jim Ursey said, when Jim Mersey, you know, he said

that he was just glad that Saturday was available. I mean, that basically undercut everything else that he might have thrown out there as to why Saturday could work. You know, it's just like, you know, he was available. Like, you're thankfully, he was available. Why? Like, because he was out running an errand when you call? Like, I mean, like what else you're talking about right there? But again, you know, he still beat the Raiders. I mean, and, you know, as we discussed today, him basically saying we're going to start Matt Ryan and they're like, okay, in a way that Frank Reich might not have been able to

have that juice to pull off. And obviously, Jonathan Taylor being healthy. But look, I once spoke to Jed York, the 49ers, about this very subject. you know, when they went from Harbaugh to Chip Kelly to Tom Sula, or it could have been Tom Sula to Kelly or something like that. We forget the Tom Sula press conference. Right. And I mean, and when you won and done coaches, it really sends a message to the league, to anyone else,

to free agents, to people in the locker room that nothing's to be trusted, that nothing can be counted on. that that so one and done in coaches is really really difficult and I would counsel against it. I really would unless unless it's somebody like Urban Meyer, right, you know, where something is so egregious and the rest of the locker room can't, can't move forward. Like as totally a total breach of trust has occurred and coaches are revolting because the behavior towards. them is revolting, then outside of that, I would counsel patience. You know, I mean, Daniel Hackett is a perfect example. Like, nothing's working.

Like, they even came back from a by week and the offense looked just as bad. I mean, like, normally you're supposed to come back, feeling good about yourself. You just want a game going to the buy, coming out of the buy, new wrinkles, new, you know, practice, habits, schedule the whole bit. it looked just as bad, like no improvement at all. And it's just, you know, troubling. And I don't know. I would just say when you won and done a coach,

you're really sending a message that's difficult to build off of. So I would kind of counsel patients. But the other, you know, for McDaniel in Miami looks, you know, tremendous, right? Eberfluse in Chicago, I think, is doing a terrific gig. You know, obviously. Getsu, the O.C. is doing great, too. Right.

They got it set up for this kid. Right. Kevin O'Connell could wind up being coach of the year. Yeah. Which makes it more difficult for somebody like Nathaniel Hackett. Like, hey, bro, like, you know, where are you on this scale of learning curve? But then again, his problem is the, you know, the team sold between him being hired. and the season going in a way that nobody expected it.

So they might come in. You know, the Walmart family might be, you know, sitting there in Arkansas, wherever they're sitting there in Denver and, you know, being at a dinner party and somebody's like, what's going on with your coach? And suddenly that guy gets the dreaded vote of confidence

and is gone. I don't know how that works, but that's my philosophy is I would stay the course for at least a year and see how things take root. That's interesting. We got a Jim Tom Sula reference. So that's really good. And the last thing for you, Rich.

Yes, sir. I don't consider myself a movie buff. I do like movies. I've found myself later in life too fucking busy to watch movies, which is a problem. So I'm going to try to get back to it. And the other night, I was on the plane to Vegas. And I rented this movie that everybody's 99 on Rotten Tomatoes. It's iconic.

I'd never seen it. It's one of those things you nod along with people because you're afraid to say you haven't seen it. Right. One flew over the cuckoo's nest. one of the greatest movies I've ever seen, Rich. Yeah, it is. I mean, what a cast, too. I mean, Danny DeVito, you saw him in that, right?

It was unbelievable, dude. Danny DeVito goes back in the day. Nicholson is incredible. Christopher Lloyd was in that as well. He was one of the people in the insane asylum. Yes. You know, a guy named Brad Durif, who folks might be fans of Deadwood. He was the doctor in Deadwood.

He was in this. Oh, wow, Rich. Wow. Yeah, man. Yeah, he was the doc in Deadwood. He was in this. And, you know, based on the book, and Robert Parrish, I think, was nicknamed the chief because of the big, tall Indian who played basketball. No way, dude.

I did not know that. So me, when I heard Robert Parrish was chief, I thought it was because he smoked a lot. I promise you, I thought it was because Robert. It could be that. I don't know. But it's the famed basketball, you know, the scene of been playing basketball in the yard. It was the chief who would run back and forth, big tall center. What a scene. Yeah. What a scene. Put your hands up, Chief. Oh, my God, dude. What, what a scene. And then I'm not going to give any spoilers, the endings.

Where the chief walks back and just walks and then you start scoring and then you see him jogging back. Like, it is, it's an incredible movie, you know, certainly when Nicholson finds out in the film that one of the, one of the people there committed himself, like likes being there. and that is a it's an incredible movie but if you're a fan of nicholson from that era you need to you need to see the movie called the last detail okay okay where yes um where um you know Randy quade before he you know went off the figure of reservation he he is um he's in this film as well um it's it's it's an incredible movie Nicholson is incredible in it and um I don't want to give away too much, but you would, you would love it. Jack is, you know, this is in Chinatown. Have you ever seen Chinatown?

No, dude. You got to make me a movie list. I mean, this is Nicholson in the 70s. This is Jack, you know. I've seen the shining and that sort of thing, but I walked away. It was 1980, if I'm not mistaken. That was in the 80s. It was in the 80s.

Yeah, and then Jack became, you know, and then the big turn of Jack's career was terms of endearment when he played somebody older. Like Jack, you know, he had a, you know, a little bit of a pot belly in it too. And so Jack was no longer the sex symbol was just playing somebody older. And that was really jarring for a lot of people because of Jack's, you know, role as a stud. And, you know, on a sex symbol in the 70s. And he was great in terms of, I mean, you know, I could go on and on about Jack's movie. No, I had a feeling you might like, you might be into that movie because I was just, I had to talk to somebody about it.

I haven't talked to anybody about it. I was like, oh, save for Rich. That movie, I'm going to be on Reddit tonight trying to figure out what it meant. You know, because you know, all these movies are metaphors for something and that sort of thing. And I thought it was so great at the whole movie you could not tell. You know, he'd said he wasn't crazy. He was in there to fake it to get out of the work camp. But the whole movie, it was like he just took you to the edge of making you think he was crazy.

And then you realize he wasn't. He was actually just, you know, fucking. He was a good time. And then Nurse Ratchet. is one of the more famous villains in history, man. It was unbelievable. So I'm really glad to have seen that. Actually, the actress who played Nurse Ratchet.

It's a great movie, but 70s Jack, man. Chinatown, last detail. And, you know, one flew over the cuckoo's nest. Those are just three to, three to, you know, three to three to you. But Chinatown is really as, it's one of the all-time great movies. And you need to really, you need to focus on it. You need a zero in because it's a dense, dense plot about, you know, the politics of water in early Los Angeles, you know. And it's a real dense plot.

Yes. And John Houston, who is a famous director, plays a character named Noah Cross in the movie, who is an incredible foil. Roman Polanski is in it, I believe he directed it before he went a little crazy and it's Fade Dunaway. That's the next one. I'm on it. It's on my list. So I got Chinatown and I got the detail?

The last detail. Last detail. That's an old, that's an underrated movie. There were some great underrated 70s movies around that time. I could bend your ear about another, you know, some Coppola movies too. You got a 70s movies are great, man. You can't talk 70s movies on the bus with those fucking slouches. Hey, man, at least, but, you know, I agree with you.

But hey, they created their own trophy for the Michigan, Nebraska series. That's so good. Yeah, I mean, you know, and I didn't get a response from Compton on Twitter, you know, when he's just like, you know, he put the bus in with the boys, put the trophy on Twitter. and I said, I hope Compton tweeted out. I said, I hope you don't mind if this thing gets parked in Ann Arbor like a bus without a motor. I think that's going to get parked there for a while, just like that bus in Nashville, Rich. That's it.

That's it. But they do tow it around. But yes, that's correct. I don't have that conversation. We'll see how quick, how deep the Google image search on Rich Eisen goes. Yeah. Some of these pictures are incredible. Rich Eisen, appreciate the time, man.

And go get over the jet lag. Thanks for making time for us. Anytime. And thank you for doing my show every Monday. Those are great conversations, Chris. You're the best. For us, man. See you.