Green Light with Chris Long - Robert Griffin III! Talks Lamar & The Ravens, & Washington Commanders. Kyle Long Recaps the US Open & Talks Rookie Dinners.

Episode Date: June 21, 2022

(2:22) - Kyle Loves Boston, US Open Recap & Chris’ Fathers Day White Guy Bingo Gift. (22:30) Chris and Kyle Talk Marcus Davenport’s Pinky is Amputated, Washington Commanders Penalized for Practice Contact and Garrett Wilson Learns How Much Fun His Rookie Dinner will be. (50:35) - Robert Griffin III on His Career and Time in Washington, the Browns' Mess with Baker and Deshaun, Kyler’s Contract Dispute, Lamar Jackson and the Ravens, Jack Del Rio’s Comments & Track and Field Athletes are the Best Athletes Around. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. https://www.greenlightpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chris and RG3 run through the Cleveland Browns, Baker Mayfield, Deshawn Watson, Mess, talk Lamar's development throughout his career, and talk some track and field. Robert also goes in depth on his career, his time in Washington, where he might have wanted to have been drafted, gives a little insight into his time in the NFL.

To start the show before Robert, Kyle is going to recap his trip up to Boston for the U.S. Open. Talk a little Father's Day, Chris's white guy bingo gift, also run through a couple NFL stories, and talk rookie dinners after Garrett Wilson made news. Y'all enjoy today. Kyle, where were you in Boston?

Have we figured this out yet? So we stayed in a place, a little settlement called Hope Dale, which was beautiful. It reminded me of Lake Forest, Illinois. You know, a nice little one, two-acre lots, beautiful homes, great deli. Shout out to Gene's Variety.

in Milford, Massachusetts. Phenomenal sandwiches. Go in there and get the porchetta. Oh. And porchetta or porchetta? Porchetta? Porchetta? Well, you know.

I probably wouldn't figure that out before the next U.S. Well, the guy in front of me ordered for me because he was such a fucking great guy. I said, you know what? I was coming there. You're a big dude. What do you get here? And he said, you got to get the fucking poichetta.

And I said, I'm going to get the porchetta. And I'll do the Italian. And then the guy behind goes, you want hats? And I said, what? And he said, do you want hots? like when he said it's slower like hot peppers I was like whatever you think is good I'm gonna enjoy it I never feel more like I'm in

another country than when I'm like that far north of the Mason Dixon line with some of the jargon and the communication the speed with which people get things done up there well I drop my my wife off and my daughter shout out to Kate and Frankie at my in-laws

place at the Jersey Shore beautiful spot down there at the boardwalk and then I said all right you guys I'm gonna meet my friend at the U.S. Open. I kept driving six more hours north to Boston. Yeah. State in Hopedale. Obviously the tournament, the U.S. Open was at Brookline at the country club, made famous by Francis. We met, and I believe 1913. You might have to fact check me on that. Who famously won the U.S. Open, who famously won the-

fucking booker. This is good. Who famously won the U.S. Open with a 10-year-old catty. Famously. And, Reed, you might want to help me with the name of the movie that there is. Greatest game ever played. Okay, I haven't seen it, but Reed said it was kind of a cheesy movie, but it was great. So that was where Brookline, Massachusetts was. I had no idea how close it was to the city. I mean, you're in a beautiful suburb, and then it's like the skyline right there.

And if you've ever been to Boston on a nice day, which is a rare occurrence. I've played in Boston. I've practiced in Boston. I've never seen it so pretty as when I was hanging out, drinking beer, watching golf. The only nice days, we were in training camp. 81 degrees in August. And you can only fake an injury so many days in a row, right? Exactly.

They're going to make you practice eventually. Unfortunately, I wasn't faking an injury when you came up to practice with us and hit me in the ribs. Kyle went up to the U.S. Open. Really good reviews we've been hearing, rave reviews about Boston. One of your top five most biggest city surprises you've ever. Yeah, I mean, playing in Chicago for so long, one could argue that it is the, It is the best big city. I'm not a New York guy.

I'm just going to get that out from Jump Street. A bit dirty for me, a bit too big. Like, minimize your boroughs, maybe. Get three sections, right? Less borough. Okay, so on to Chicago. It's Daniel DeLuis' fault. Yeah, and Leo.

Daniel DeLewis, they didn't get so complicated with that whole thing. Five points. Should have been three points. Like a three-pointer. Steph Curry would have run New York City back in the day. Chicago, flat, beautiful. The lake looks like the Caribbean. ocean in the right time of the year i got to say but uh when i went to boston i was amazed at the

geographic characteristics of that town the ups the downs the beautiful trees there's lakes everywhere have hills and also every town name is fun to say him in new england ham hang him you're going to wusta wistah pbiddy yeah you you were there a weekend and you nailed the the accent more than i did i well yeah i don't even i can't even do it Happy Father's Day. Yeah, Father's Day. Charlestown's really nice, too. Dad used to talk about how tough and rough it was growing up.

But one of those off days I had, there were like four. When I was in New England, I went up to Charlestown. And I was like, if this isn't just yuppie heaven now, Dad, talked to all that game about Charlestown. It's pretty nice, pretty nice place. It's a town with like an old school trolley and like lanterns. Yeah, dude, I was like, Dad. Dad, you're not that tough.

You're getting beat up here and beating people. up here. So the way Boston is, it's like Boston, if you're looking at a map and then you go down the coast towards Cape Cod, on your way to Cape Cod, there's some awesome towns that are near the water, kind of protected, I guess, by peninsulas or whatever. Correct me if I'm wrong, podcast listeners. Well, so Hingham's one of those. Hingham is the town where I picked up my tickets, and I was like, I can move here tomorrow. There's a Whole Foods. There's a Lulu Lemon. There's beautiful trees, mature trees everywhere. Looks like some maybe equestrian properties there. Kyle, did Boston roofie you?

I was, I was, yeah, date-saxed by Boston. A lot of people love Boston. Julian Edelman loves Boston. I can imagine he does. You know, it's a little cold for me. Go back in the winter, okay? Go back in the winter. It's not really about the cold.

It's about the sun going down at 4 p.m. All right? Well, they say the closer you are to the ocean, the less snow you get. And I was like, but what about the gray? You get a lot of gray. So Hangum is where Al Groh live. my college coach for a lot of people you know he's the bill bellichick tree so when i went up to

new england al was like let's get dinner you me and bill and i was like man i don't know man like go out to dinner with my new coach like this sounds nerve-wracking uh we went out to dinner and hang him at some lovely place by a marina it was gorgeous Kyle like i kind of see where you're saying this yeah but for me i remember football season and it was hell of dark see all i thought about was the Red Sox because when I was up there in high school was when I visited Fenway to go try out with the socks and I didn't do well enough to play for the socks but better than the Yankees

you go up there and you say you know what let's do a summer catch let's go watch a game you know you wear a jersey I'll wear a backwards cap and we just drink some beers that sounds good man we have Robert Griffin the third coming on in a few RG3 obviously great football player but he's he seems like a better guy honestly he's really really good in the booth yeah he's good in the booth man so we're gonna have RG3 on a few

we're talking about the U.S. Open right now. How are people about the Celtics up there? That's an interesting question because we got into town, obviously, with one thing on our mind, the U.S. Open. I haven't been keeping up with the finals, but I realized that... Who do you think's going to win the fun? So I thought, I know who wins now, but I knew it was playoffs. I didn't realize it was the finals.

Oh, yeah, the finals. So, like, we were in town and Celtics. And there's people screaming every time that people are, like, you know, the T-shot happens, people say, get in the hole. there was people screaming. Oh, I thought we're saying, Tatum is not elite.

And I was like, why do they keep screaming? Tatum is not elite. And Mickey White said, it's because Jason Tatum is on the Celtics and they just lost to Steph Curry. He got out elated by Steph Curry. He didn't, he did not play very well. Well, I didn't watch. But people were, people were excited about golf, I will say.

So talk about Father's Day real quick and we'll get in the U.S. Open. Listen, dude, happy Father's Day belated to all the dads out there. I had a great Father's Day. I got a special gift on Father's Day. My wife Meg gives me the gift of autonomy on Father's Day. It's awesome. I'm starting to think she and my family not so crazy about me. So what they do is when they have an excuse,

they say, go do something you like to do for the entire day. And for me, obviously, that's hitting the river. So me, my buddy Tom went, you know Tom, I shout Tom. We went down and we hit the river down here outside Charlottesville and James River. a week ago we had had hit the river uh tom myself dr fax and others dr fax um yeah dr fax was sitting on the rock before we jump off this like 10 15 foot rock 10 foot rock so uh fax is a little bit nervous you know moving water effectively a high dive uh and he's sitting there and he's making excuses why he's not going to jump and he's like i got my apple watch on if i jump i'm i can't wear this apple watch

because this is going to go down the river. Like there's no way that this watch makes it through the jump. Five minutes later, he decides that he's going to jump. Him and Tom jump in the water. And the watch. They both lose their watches. So they both lose Apple watches, which probably happens a lot on the river.

There's probably a whole fucking graveyard of Apple watches down there. Nate's gone. Tom's is gone. Nate's gotten a new one already. Tom. I don't know if he's gotten around to it. Sunday morning, Father's Day morning, Tom gets a text message from somebody that found his Apple Watch in eight feet of moving muddy water. It was red.

I guess that's the only way you would have been able to see that watch because Nates was nowhere to be found. We gave it the old college try when we hit the rock yesterday. But a guy powered up his Apple Watch and found it and actually had to wear with all not to sell it on eBay, not to flip the thing. not to program it to be his own. But he found Tom and gave him his Apple Watch. So shout out to that guy. I don't know who he is. Kudos to you.

If you found an Apple Watch on James River. Superheroes are real. That was a great Father's Day present for my friend Tom. And I got a great Father's Day present that I used yesterday. My wife got me Hokas, dude. Hokas. Yeah, dude. That's two points in white guy bingo.

Yeah, it should have been like five because the shoes that I got weren't the standard white guy Hokas. were the Hoka River Shoes, dude. You know water shoes? Aquassox. I don't think there's a non-white person on the planet that I'm... You're talking to a guy in the river shoes right now. Okay, and we'll get to those in a moment. But I got me a pair of Hoka's.

This is not an ad. I'm ready to receive the Hoka cash infusion if you're listening. But this is not an ad for now. Hokas make great river shoes. I broke them in yesterday. Meg got me a Hoka shoes, a Yeti backpack. I took it all right on the river. It was like, she was like, get the fuck out of here, please.

Yeah. And we had a great day. So happy Father's Day to any dads out there. Happy Father's Day to you, of course. Thanks, Chris. Happy Father's Day. Yeah, thanks, man. I also like Hokas.

You like Hokas? Well, that makes sense. Quick anecdote about Hokkas. First off, I've never been on a river or in a river shoe, but I have worn Hokas. The video that I posted on Instagram with me lifting weights and running and stuff last year that got me signed by the Chiefs. That video got you signed by the Chiefs. I was in Hokas. That video got you signed by the TV.

Well, I would say that it played a large, large role in that. Yeah. They were like, God damn. It peaked the curiosity of some of the, you know, it made me a suitor. You think if I come out with the video, I might get a job? You know, wear some hokas. Yeah. Those things that make faster, you know, jump higher, all that stuff.

But I was running on the treadmill. I needed a shoe that was comfortable, and the hoka makes a great shoe for big guys. It really do. They really do. I count myself as a large individual, and this thing was, it was. And I purchased them. I wore those things unnecessarily. I had them on at 10 p.m.

I was off the river by 7, dude. I was just walking around on my hoka. So shout out to Hoka and shout out to all the dads out there. White guy bingo. And my wife doesn't even listen to the pod, bro. And she was surprised when she learned that there was actually a white guy bingo. So, Kyle, your shoes, as we talk about the U.S. Open here, you walked in the building and apologized. When Kyle walked in, he said, I'm sorry, but I haven't showered.

I haven't showered, which... So I'll give you the Father's Day rundown. Okay. Of why this is all. I'm more concerned with the mud on your feet right now. That's all part of that. What are these crocs? These are canes and they're also another shoe.

We're doing a hookah. That are amazing. But they're shoes with ventilation. The white guy's shoes. So shoes with ventilation. Kyle's naturally, like it's fucking an airplane right now. It takes his shoes off. You're big shoes off guy.

Love that. I am too. but you like to ground. You can't have mud on your feet from yesterday. I'm a liberal. I take my shoes off. Okay, Kyle. Shoes off was on white guy bingo as well.

Comfortable taking your shoes off around others. Yeah, dude, Kyle, congratulations. You're racking up the points here, but you have mud that you have proudly kept on your feet from yesterday. U.S. Open ended on Sunday, yeah? So I knew, yes. And yesterday was Sunday. Show the people your mud.

Okay. These are my shoes. Discussed. These are my shoes. Hold them away from me. Look at that foot Look at that foot Oh that's disgusting

Oh my God There's moisture in there dude It's the summer motherfuckers That's some that's brookline mud Okay so you You know you know I walked 18,000 plus steps Three days in a row

Oh congratulations Which is a new milestone for me I've never climbed the tallest mountain in Africa Like you Chris I'm sorry Walkable though Also climable No Depends on how you do it

Yeah But yeah I walked with these Because I knew there were comfortable shoes And I didn't want to I didn't know what the The rule was on shoe wear To a golf tournament

I'd never been to a To like a real golf tournament And this is the US Open It just hit me Chris this is the national championship right So I knew wear a golf shirt Yeah Wear some golf shorts that you're comfortable walking in

And wear some shoes That you're comfortable wearing And I don't have a pair of tennis shoes Other than my hokas That I feel comfortable wearing Like And I didn't know that Hoka would have been acceptable.

There were a million hokas there. There were also people wearing golf shoes like cleats. And I asked one guy. That's like wearing cleats to a game. I asked one guy. I said, why are you wearing cleats? And he said, have you not seen the hills here? I don't want to be the guy that busts my ass.

And I was like, while I'm still roasting you, that's a tremendous point. That's kind of a good point. It's like managers that wear their outfits. Like Lou Panella. They're out there. I just think of Lou Panella. Lou Panella. I think of the guy that Pedro Martinez.

Oh, Don Zimmer. Dimmer. Poor guy. He wasn't wearing it, Pedro. He saw red, and it was just anybody in uniform. If he was dressed like a fucking coach, he wouldn't have got decked. He was blinded by that bald dome. Yeah.

I caught the light of the Yankees Stadium. That's one of those sports things I remember where I was when it happened. But Kyle, people are in golf shoes. So people are in golf shoes. People are in golf outfits, and I tweeted out, you know, I'm at the golf tournament for my first time, and I'm amazed that people dress like they're playing in the tournament. And then I got a lot of replies like, you know, baseball, blah, blah, blah, blah.

They do the same thing. And I said some people are even wearing cleats. And folks responded, the hills, you know. So I got that on site. But the great thing about golf is, I mean, you're right there. Like, courtside seats in the NBA. You're, you know, your feet are on the wood. You're talking shit to LeBron when he's running by.

You can do the same thing to the golfers. So I was trying to feel out what the decorum was like in terms of. You have to pay less for this access. Shit talking. like the seats. It's not like you have one seat. We snuck in the first day. So you just walk, you follow golfers, yeah?

You follow golfers and they have, it's roped off, you know, and when the golfers come through, they unrope, there's an old volunteer who's there who's probably lived in Brooklyn forever. Right. And it's a, it's a tremendous honor to do this job, right? They have 3,000 volunteers or something. They need, they set it after the tournament. They open the thing.

A flood of people crosses the fairway. They close it. The next people tee off. Right. And so you have to keep in mind, like, well, 13,000. over there, we're on five. We have to go here and hit the porta potty. There's beers there. We can get three transfusions on our way to

you know. That's the day. At least you have a phone. That's the day. At least you have a phone, yeah? You have a phone. Which down in Augusta, I mean, you just got to fucking, you got to navigate via the sun to get to the next hole. You have to listen to the preachers. Yeah, dude. Like, yeah. Up in, up in Boston. Down an A-Man corner. Yeah. You know, that place is on my bucket list and I know nothing about it.

Let's go next year. You know why? Because I would love to be unreachable. Let's go I'd love to go. Like seriously. All right. All right. Let's go. Why do you look at them? I'm going to put Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey on notice. Me and Chris will be doing the tugging of the coattails trying to get to the Masters next year. Don't look at

Reed if you're not going to bring Reed. Reed loves golf. Hey Reed we're already going to the Greenbrier okay. I'm getting cut by the Saints next summer. So we've already said that. Yeah. Greenbrier that's where the Saints do their training camp for people at home and supposedly it is a brutal one.

So yeah, who won this fucking tournament, Kyle? So Fitzpatrick won and Fitzpatrick has braces. He chips with his hands. So like if I'm a lefty, I hold a baseball bat like this, right? So Fitzpatrick is one of the few guys on the world that chips with his hands like this and hits it opposite, right? I don't know a ton about golf, but I do know the preparation of an athlete,

and physically and to watch these guys, their pre-shot routine. If me and Reed go play, we take the T-box, I put the T in the ground, I get up, I talk shit to read, I may take a rip of my joint, put it down, and I fucking hit the ball. Yeah. These guys line up, they talk to their caddy, they look at it, they take a walk around the ball, they look at it, they get a feel, they take a couple mock swings, not full speed, they take a look at it.

Three minutes later, they line up on the ball, they stand over it for 20 seconds, and then they fucking put a perfect swing off. it and all that time is spent doing you know geometric calculations figuring out what kind of rough they're in what kind of club they're using is is is the landing area flat is it going to accelerate on landing is it going to stop do I want to put spin on it and all that stuff drives you and me the normal golfer's crazy yeah yeah but these guys walk up and they don't have to think about it they're just picturing the shot that they want to take in their head and you watch this

in person and you watch it in person but it was very very fun to watch the the top guys in their game with the exception of Tiger Woods who opted out because obviously he's beat up pretty good. Well, that's fun. I mean, the guy winning wearing braces is pretty awesome and evidently his caddy had waited a long time. Where were you on 18?

Did you watch the leaders? Did you watch Fitzpatrick and Dalletoros play 18? We watched Fitzpatrick, Zalotaurus, all those guys come in on Saturday. And to get to the Father's Day conversation, my father-in-law was at the Jersey Shore.

I was Sons my baby on Saturday and I was really missing my wife and my kid. So on Sunday, my buddy Mickey and I woke up and we hightailed it out of Hopedale and we said, we're going to make it to the shore in time for the leaders. T-off time back. So we made it to the shore. Surprised Kate. Surprised the baby. Got to hang out of my father-in-law.

What the baby said when you surprised at all. The baby said, dad, you are a fucking amazing dad. That's what they all sound like. The baby said the shit in my pants. Yeah, dude. It's like welcome home. But yeah, it was a great day. I went to the boardwalk last night with my father-in-law.

We played pool. He beat me in pool, shuffleboard, darts, drinking, shit-talking. Like, it was a good day. He showed up for fathers. It was a great day. Well, good, man. And happy Father's Day to you. I'm glad you got to watch some golf.

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First off, Marcus Davenport cut off part of his pinky or his finger. What, after surgery or something? I just read that. Marcus Davenport, of course, a defensive end for the Saints, had some sort of injury and the best course of action. To delete the digit. He broke a plate from a previous surgery and was experiencing an infection. So had to get the... So if I have a deformed finger read, and obviously the doctors are great now, if I have a deformed finger and I'd like to maybe add a digit to one of my other digits.

Take Marcus, called Marcus Davenport, be like, don't throw this shit away. No, I'm not saying I want his finger. I'm saying I want to put my finger on the edge of my penis and make it longer. Huh. Is that right? Which finger? Thumb? And it would give me hang time.

I get a dick that hangs if I put my pinky out there. That's right. Well, I was on Marcus Davenport's finger. Marcus Dick and port. Excuse me? Okay. Well, Ronnie Lott did that. Not the penis thing.

Ronnie Locke cut part of his finger off to play in a playoff game. Marcus Davenport did it in the off season. This is what makes him even more legendary. There's nothing. There's nothing to get ready for. There's nothing that you absolutely have to cut your pinky off for. He was like playing Xbox one day. He has to remap his Xbox controller.

Yeah, dude. I remember when I got a hand surgery once, I asked the doctor, I was like, will I be able to play Xbox again when they fuse his hand? He's going to bumper jumper on Halo. That was like not what I expected to hear from an NFL player. But I was like, because I don't have to have this surgery.

I will deal with the debilitating pain. So shout out to Marcus Davenport, cutting half his finger off. Dude, hockey players would never. And then Ron Rivera, the Washington commanders, another one bites the dust. I said that earlier in no read.

He didn't die. Not a time of recording or anything. Ron Rivera got busted, man. The Fed's rolled up. The NFL feds rolled up. They did a sting in your old stomping grounds in Chicago. And then the feds rolled up, they

kicked the door down. That's how I imagine the NFLPA actually executing one of these busts when there's too much contact in an OTA practice. They kick the door open. There's like tear gas in there. Ron Rivera was like, God damn it. And like, Flash bang his office. It's like Heavenly Father.

And they're just like, you know, they're like, you're practicing too hard. Okay, everybody go home. Fuck. And that's been happening. We used to dream of that. Yeah, dude. We used to pray for that. We just say the buses are here. The NFL is here. Well, we used to be

like, PA, D. Marie Smith, you know, like just yelling random. Demarie Smith. Just yelling people's names that we've seen at the meetings in training camp. Like, I think that guy works for the PA's his number in my phone. But we never snitched because we were like, man, that's against the code. I'm not going to take a picture of the clock and say, I'm still out on the practice field. We've been out here more than two hours. I don't know if people are snitching now

or if the PA just means more business. What's your stance on? So when I retired, I found out that one of my long-time teammates who was a vet was a snitch. Was a snitch. I don't like it. Nor did I. I've heard rumblings about people that in NFL buildings, we say people go upstairs. You know, like, now, of course, people go upstairs.

Some guys know where the stairs are. I've walked up the stairs plenty of times. But they were more to like, hey, I got to follow up on this thing or whatever. Like, when you go upstairs and you're telling people about other people's business, downstairs to get ahead or to enforce some sort of like some people I think snitch and they think they're doing the team of favor but you're not doing the team of favor and when I sign with one of the teams I signed with they were like hey man do you want to be our our guy yeah and I was like what are we talking about here yeah I was kind of like am I being proposition for sex yeah

like what is going on is how I get the role like yeah what role just point at it all suck Point it. Yeah, like, points something in the room. I will fuck it. Would you rather hands? They were like, no, easier than that. They were like, you just have to tell us what other people are doing. They didn't say it outright, but you know it's kind of like- I would have said, you fucking idiots don't have cameras like the other 31 teams? No, I was kind of like, yeah, I probably won't do that. Yeah.

And what about my business? They were like, well, this guy used to do this for me. And I was like, I don't know what you're asking me. And it makes me uncomfortable. I've never been comfortable with people that go upstairs. Now snitching on a team being on the practice field too long Or doing too much contact and drills and getting us a weekend off That's what's happened I don't know it was a snitch but Ron Rivera 100 K and NFL funds Docks the commanders to 2023 OTA practices

So this is the worst bro They gotta wait a year to get that stuff Some guys are celebrating right now they're not even to see this Well like the thing that's interesting to me is this The fans reaction to a lot of these teams getting, you know, reprimanded for going too hard. And I've spoken to some football fans and some people say, like, do teams just not understand the rules? And then some people say, good, these pussies are finally going

hard. Like, if you're a fan of a bad team and you see that your team is getting in trouble for going too hard in the spring with a new coach, like Bears fans. You're excited. They're tired of it. They're saying, hell yeah, we're not going to go seven and whatever again. It's going to be great. Oh, no, we practice hard in St. Louis. But it's like, hey, we can win all the practice reps in the world, but I promise you when the New England Patriots line up, I'm using that as the team that used to just Maliwamp us. Their coach is better.

They're just better. The coach is better. Like you can try as hard as you want, but you're going to get beat. Yeah, we can practice all this stuff as long as we want, but what if we're not practicing the right stuff? So you've probably already covered this. What do you think about these coaches that are coming in and doing this? So I actually think it's understandable how you might, you know,

fuck something like this up. Like, what are the standards and the guidelines for contact? in the spring, like I'm sure it's pretty ticky tack. But at the same time, if we've collectively bargained for something like this is, you know, we had to give something up to get these things. So like we want our end of the deal. And quite frankly, guys are tired. Like veterans are tired like that time of year.

Maybe we don't need all the reps. It's kind of an arbitrary like limit or arbitrary point that they've identified and been like nothing beyond this. But I do think it's a good thing they keep them in check, right? But I was joking the other day about how like, you know, if a coach, you know, gets busted for something like this, he can kind of wear it like a badge of honor at the coach's meeting like, damn, bro. Like he's got his household in order. You know, like when the other side of it, I completely agree, like when he shows up to Tampa Bay or wherever they do their tropical meeting in the winter. Yeah, the one where everybody wears a Hawaiian shirt.

I'm thinking about that meeting he has on July 27th with his team for the first meeting of training camp. And he's in coach Everflew says, how'd you guys enjoy that break? And some of the guys in the room have the wherewithal to understand that a new coach is saying, I'm a player's coach. On the outside, it looks like we practice too hard because we did go hard for a day or two. And you guys earned the break. So as a player, I'm saying this fucking guy gets it because he's appeasing the fans and he's appeasing the players. So I don't think anybody does it on purpose, but it would be a tremendous spin if you get busted to come back in August and be like, guys, I wanted to give you the day off.

you know like hey i'm a players coach but we're going to work hard this was my way of pulling the buses up and going to the movies i love that john fox the water buss is up to go to the movie when the buses showed up john fox couldn't contain a smile because he knew we were going to love it and that's great and everything but also just give me a day off and give me choice let us go home if i want to go to the water park i'll go to the water park john fox i take it back mark trussman matt naggie brought us to top golf and all that stuff john fox said you guys get the fuck out of here yeah Do what you want.

Yeah. Kyle, I know you're going golfing. He gets it. Yeah. He gets it. Steve Spagnola made me go to Invictus with the rest of the team. Poorly acted.

It's poorly produced. The cinematography's trash. There were a lot of optional movie opening, like, previews. Elbow to elbow with Fred Robbins and Cliff Ryan, dude. I'm supposed to be off right now. So anyways, I love those guys. I'm 34. Yeah.

No, at this point, I was young. So at 34, I wasn't going to see Invictus. Yeah. Especially because it would have to be on, like, last year, as the first year player on the Chiefs, I was the only guy in Lankx. any of the optional meetings. Yeah.

I was like, where is that's how you get ID'd as a snitch? Where is everybody? Look at this fucking guy. Yeah. But anyways, the last piece of NFL news before we get to RG3. It's not news,

but I watched the pivot podcast clips. I don't listen to any podcasts, but I do watch the socials, and I think they do a great job. I'm a big fan of Fred Taylor's. I think Fred Taylor is like, I wish Fred Taylor was my vet, dude. Like I, just watching him talk.

I'm like, bro, I would have just sat there at a lot, lunch table with Fred Taylor and asked him questions. Man, like that guy's seen 10 lifetimes of football. But Channing Crowder is great on there too. Ryan Clark, Channing's really funny. But they had Garrett Wilson.

Channing's hilarious. Channing's really funny. I would have liked to play with Channing, too. Ryan Clark, maybe not so much because of the friendly fire aspect of Ryan Clark. I think Ryan Clark's the classic guy that would knock you the fuck out and you're on his team. You know, like some of the worst concussion.

A meat missile, as we call them. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Roquan Smith type. Yeah, dude. Guys that, you know, like when the receiver goes down and I'm pursuing from the pile and we go over the top and Ryan Clark's on the other side, like...

That's how David Montgomery the running back is. For those of, for those listeners of the pod that don't watch the bears, David Montgomery runs so fucking hard. He ran so hard. I was blocking a linebacker 10 yards downfield in Denver and he just had his head down. He ran into my back and my hip tour. Oh, you did David Montgomery. David Montgomery.

And I'm a huge fan of David. Like the fucker runs so hard. Anyways, my point is they had Garrett Wilson on and it was a really innocuous-looking interview. They're just talking about the rookie dinner. And Garrett's, he's just thinking about how awesome the NFL is going to be. He's like, yeah, it's going to be great. You know, when I get up to New York, the receivers are taking me out to dinner.

It's going to be dope. In New York. Yeah, in New York. Eat in New Jersey. Go to Rhode Island. As soon as he says, that's dope, go to hang him. As soon he says, that's dope, Channing Crowder is doing the like, No, it's not.

I don't think you understand. This is not cool, dude. This is not a gift to you. I know this sounds like they're taking you out of dinner, but what's going to happen here is that you're going to pay for their dinner. And they're going to order all the expensive shit on the menu, and people are going to show up that aren't even on the team. And you're going to be like, who the fuck is this guy?

It's like pledging in a fraternity. Don't worry about it. Yeah. It's a rookie dinner, dude. So you can just see the terror come over. You know the gift of John Cena, where his face just shrinks into itself. and it's like just shrinking.

Realization. Yeah, it's a giant, Garrett Wilson had a John Cena face because when they said that it might cost you $75,000 to take your wide receiver friends out to dinner, it was like he rethought the NFL, dude. And Channing Crowder's laughing and Ryan Clark's laughing and Fred Taylor's laughing.

And it's like he wasn't even warned about this, dude. He wasn't in on the joke. He wasn't even in on the joke. He learned and we watched a rookie learn in real time that he has to pay a tax. They did tell me about the dinner. I got to take all the receivers to a dinner. That's going to be cool.

I'm excited for that. It's not going to be cool. You know, they're going to run that bill up? Like, $75,000? Oh, yeah. You mean, like the Louis to 13th are you going to have to buy at the restaurant? No, they ain't doing it for $75K.

I ain't going to fake it. No, no, no. It's the rookie dinner. It's all of y'all. You're the tip pick of the draft, too. They know you got 20 guarantees. Wait, what you say, Ricky dinner. He thinks it's his decision.

That conversation happens in the cafeteria usually. Yeah, well, this is the problem with the NFL the way it is now. Guys aren't, you know, hanging out in the building long enough to have these conversations. You're right. But Garrett Wilson, man, realized that he was going to spend, you know, a mid-sized SUV on a dinner. And I just thought it was so funny to have me thinking about my rookie, my rookie, and you said it, Kyle. He's in New York.

So he's going to be absolutely fucked, dude. But in St. Louis, we managed to spend 30 grand on the dinner. And I'm the first round pick. And it's just the defense, and I'm picking up, you know, 90% of that bad boy. I'm talking, man, 23, 24, 20. I dropped a Kia, dude, on this dinner, and it could have been worse. It could have been. And it was a Sorrento, which is like a top of the line SUV.

It could have been a new land cruiser, which, by the way, those are very expensive. It could have been a new, like, family SUV. But what I was is I was compliant, do it once, do it right. Right? Like when coaches say, hey, we go out here, we do this once, we get it right, we'll be off the field in 10 minutes. Yep. It's the same thing with rookie dinners, bro.

If you just realize that this is part of the deal, is it fair? Not necessarily. Did those guys earn you any money? Not necessarily. But you are kind of lucky you're a first round pick and you're going to make all this fucking money, especially in the old CBA. You're going to get taxed. And if you're an asshole, you're going to get taxed more.

Yes. If you are compliant during your rookie dinner, they might not even cut your hair. You know what I mean? Like they might not forcefully cut your hair. And somebody might feel bad enough at the end of the table to say, put $2,000 on this. Well, in my case, I was cool. And we'll get to that. A couple of dudes tried to take a bottle of Louis, a couple bottles of Louis 13th to go.

Stupid. Like they were slurpees, dude. And the 13th is like, I don't know how much two grand a bottle. I don't know. I don't know. That night I wasn't counting, but I had to say, hey, enough is enough, dude. This is my limit. I said that because I had been so cool, I think like some of the vets were like, yeah, dude.

I'm not going to name the player that was trying to take a duffel bag of Louis home, but they were like, dude, brought a fucking duffel bag to dinner. That's great. I can picture that, yeah. I mean, like two Davio's bags. You know, two Fleming's bags. But the bottom line is we do get taxed the NFL. Some people were shocked.

Some people were like, that's not right. The whole thing. I was like, well, it's not really about fair. It's just about the way it is. Well, hey, look, people expect us to spend an exorbitant amount of money on charity. and giving back to our communities. But at the end of the day, you're going to have to have a workplace that's healthy environment.

When you get to the league, there's veterans that expect you to do certain things. And there's not many of them, one of which is a rookie dinner. If you're a first round pick, like you're just saying, you take the older guys out, you show them a good time,

you show them that you're okay with being the young guy and footing the bill, and they'll leave you alone forever. When I went on my rookie dinner, I was a first round pick, 20th pick post-CBA, different boats, but same channel. I had to pay for the dinner.

And on my way out, I realized that the bill should have been a lot higher, but we had some veterans in the room who said, you know what? He responded well to having to pay for the dinner. And guys like Germain Bushraub, Matt's Lawson, Roberto Garza, foot part of the bill for me. And every other dinner, every subsequent dinner after that, Roberto Garza refused for anybody else to pay. He wanted to pay. That's what a veteran is. And that's what you hope to become in the league to where you can just not even bat an eye at paying.

for the dinner for your young guys because it's about, like you said, the new league, not got, guys aren't staying in the cafeteria. And we're not just talking about how they're going to hit you, like tax you on the dinner. Every day as a rookie,

especially with old veterans, I quote Twitter and was like, these are pre-CBA veterans, 2011 CBA. After 2011 CBA, everything changed. The NFL got, it just got different.

The veterans seemed less harsh. You had to be more tactful as a veteran. You know, veterans in 2008. Like I walked in, it was like the Wild West. Like, Leroy Glover was packing a dip during practice. He had a Louis Vuitton belt on. I got four 34-year-old guys in there in my D-Line room.

Like, not to mention there's less veterans now because they're not paying him, you know. It's just, it was really tough to be a rookie back then. And Garrett Wilson got a taste of what it would have been like to be in a room with guys like guys like Ryan Clark, Fred Taylor, Channing Crowder, some of the guys I play with. It's just not the same. And maybe they don't hit him for 75, but they're going to hit him. They're going to hit them up there. But it's every day in the meeting room, too.

If you're a dickhead from the start, people are going to make your life hell every day. Sensitive fine. Yeah, they're like the third. Big ball are fine. Do it once. Do it right. Yeah. Real quick.

There was a hazing thing with you that I think maybe was a little bit over the line. Yeah, well, rookie year in Chicago, you stay in the dorms. You stay at Olivet, Nazarene University. Shout out to Bourbonnet, Illinois. Some of my fondest memories. It sounds delicious. Near the cornfields in Burbine. Yeah.

And, you know, it's a three-story, dorm, four-story dorm and rookies are up top. Vets are on the bottom floor. The O-line has the, you know, the corridor. And so I got to go up the three flights of stairs. It's my first night staying in the dorm and it's the first night with the veterans there as well. I go into my room and I'm, I'm laying in the bed. I have my laptop on all dark in my room. I'm watching the Sopranos. It's my first time watching the Sopranos. And all of a sudden, I feel it's like 11 o'clock. I'm getting ready to wind down. I feel something on my arm, so I turned my laptop to shine the light towards my arm. And there's a tarantula that's about that big sitting there with one little hand up.

And my immediate reaction was like smack the fucking thing against the wall so fast. But I jumped up out of bed and didn't touch it, you know? I was like, and I didn't scream, but I sprinted in the hallway. And then I was like, yo, get in here. Everybody get in here. All the DBs, all the receivers. The whole rookie floor was in my dorm and nobody would go in the room. They were all like peeking around the door, right?

With phones out and everything. And the thing was right there on the bed, clear as day, white sheets, black spider. And I didn't end up, you know, I called Animal Control. I was like, get this fucking thing out of my room. And I didn't sleep in the room. I slept in the bottom floor in the training room where they have like Norma Texans stuff. I slept on the massage table to be off the ground and like, you know, I just wanted to get a good night's sleep. And I'm horribly afraid of spiders. The next morning, we're all catching up at the

cafeteria on campus. And John Bostic, the second round pick linebacker out of Florida. He said, motherfucker, Kyle, you're not going to believe this. And I was like, what happened? He's like, I went to go put on my deodorant this morning. And I pulled a tarantula out of my dopidit. Now we got a pattern. Now we need to look into this thing. And we both found pets, Marks in our room. So somebody had gone to PetSmart, bought some exotic spiders and put them in our If you only had an FBI agent on your team, peanut Tillman, I thought Roberto Garza did it at first Because I don't know why I associated a Brownsville, Texas Mexican with putting tarantials in my bed, but I just thought it was fitting Yeah, because Roberto's the wild type. He wears snakeskin boots and cowboy hats. I'm like he put the

fucking tarantula. He looks like he just might have some tarantulas laying around. He has a tarantula farm in Brownsville. So it wasn't him. You know, I looked him in the eye i was like roberto you have to tell me sir no it was more like roberto yeah was it your spider yeah like it was very funny and he was like kyle it was not my fucking spider but it was hilarious you know what me but he wouldn't tell me you wouldn't snitch it wouldn't break the code yeah and a lot all signs pointed to charles tilman who still hasn't admitted it but he's a he's a fbii agent now so we had charles tellman uh out in the blue wire studio we were in Vegas and i asked him square like i just looked him in his fucking eyes dude he just he passed the test gal i don't think it was him he do you have a do you have

suspect number three because we think we might need to look to number three i ran out of jay cutler god it could have been you never thought about that huh never never assumed he was a suspect he's like kaiser so say i need to do some research yeah i do some research well oh no no no kaiser so say is the usual suspects spoiler alert he that's a movie yeah oh i didn't want to watch movies. Yeah. Well, this is one that people are going to get freaked out about you not watching. I don't watch it. If there's any movie that people can't wait to tell you about, usual suspects is like the prince. Is that the one where the guys have like love and live on their hands tattooed? Boondock Saints. No, Boondock Saints. Another, I love that movie movie.

No, this is another level. But you know what I mean? I'm just telling you, you're going to get a lot of you haven't seen. Uh, by the way. I haven't seen the godfather. Suck my dick. Oh, wow, dude. Really? Yeah. Suck my Italian. dick okay uh fangoo what do they say about fang goo uh fangu that's good i was like fuck it so anyways um we did our movie uh dinner scene draft yeah it wasn't a draft that was something i had to explain to people the other day uh and the the uh the fan questions are in a lot of people said we would what would they what were the most common the most common was that read one so read one somehow with wedding crashes

the dinner. The segment is... Which you're right. It has aged poorly. Did you watch it? What was the movie with the dinosaur kids? The baby with the dinosaur. I don't even mean the crude humor. Dinosaur kids land before time. No, no, no, no. The live action dinosaur movie that we watched when we were kids. When they were eating at the table, they opened the trash thing and there's a little dinosaur eating the trash.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my movie scene. The little one in the yellow shirt. That's my movie. It's called dinosaurs. I'm not worried about the crude humor, Reed. Crow up, Reed. I just don't think it was that funny. I just think after a while, I'm like, yeah, that was super funny when I was a 23-year-old college guy.

Like, you know, some of the quotes persist, but, you know, not the wedding crash. Hey, Chris, rule number 76, no excuses, but like a champion. Oh, my God, dude. And let me ask you a question. When somebody says that quote to you, are you like, that's a cool guy.

Yeah, I'm like, that guy's cool. Like, the guy at a bachelor party, that's the perfect place to quote wedding crash. She was a bachelor party. Strip club. All my friends have long been married, dude. When your friend's too drunk and he wants to get in the Uber, but you want to stay out, it's like rule number 76.

I'm being an adult right now. Yeah. Okay. You have urine on your khakis and you want to go to the strip club, dude. Like, I'm going home. Why don't we quote wedding crashes again? Spend the wedding crashes. Give me another quote.

Oh, why don't we hit Anchorman while we're at it? Brick killed a guy. Yeah. That has aged better than wedding crashes. Anyways, thank you for, if you did, thank you for giving your opinion on best movie scene. And next time you give your opinion, try not to do it in this format.

No fill in the blank question mark. That's my least favorite thing in the world. If you see a list, a top 10 list, a draft, and you say, telling a pretty girl to smile more. It's just unacceptable. It's just so fucking stupid because you're looking at the list.

No, there is, I don't see Beetlejuice. Do you? Beetle juice. Just say you wish the Beetle Juice dinner was supposed to be in there. Hey, Mr. Daliman, let me meet him. Daylight come. And then she goes, Ah!

And then the ghost comes like down and they're fucking like, like, the sexual energy at that haunting. Did you know what I put at number five, Kyle? Do you remember in Hannibal when the, you know, Hannibal, Lecter? And he feeds the guy to the pig? No, the sequel. You need to see Hannibal. You haven't seen good God.

Godfather. You probably haven't seen Hannibal. No. Anyways, thanks for your, thanks for your commentary. Just don't do it like that, dude. It's obviously, no, there's no beetle juice. I don't see. How about you say, on my list, I would have?

Exactly. That's a great, dude, speak for yourself. It's called therapy speak. When you say, I feel. On my list, I would have. Yeah? That's what people need to say. Instead of, you don't have?

Right, dude. That's just fucking annoying. All right, anyways, we are going to talk to RG3 about Bakes. I have one take in particular. It's kind of a hypothetical June football take, which is that if the Browns say, you know, we need you Baker, Deshawn Watson is being suspended for a year.

If I was Baker Mayfield, I'd play. I'd play for the Browns because you're not going to find a better destination to try to be the bridge to whatever the next five to seven years holds for you as a starting quarterback. If that bridge even exists, then the Cleveland Browns. the Cleveland Browns. They're loaded. I mean, like, now the news came out, and we recorded this RG3 interview a couple days ago,

full disclosure, but the news came out that the Browns are now willing to pay half his salary to go away. And that tells me that they might have some interest from trade partners, or this is a way of them kind of garnering the interest that you might expect they might have. But there's only a couple fucking musical chairs still over. Who are the suitors? Carolina. So the Panthers. Seattle is the biggest one right now because they're currently. quarterback room is which stadium would Baker may feel like to live in

that's a great question dude pod just got longer got it no in a good way yeah I mean yeah let's talk about it well what are the options well Charlotte's great no it's not I got a I got somebody threw me out of that house

dude grew up a Panthers fan my whole life gotten a little scuffle and then had to go they did fuck dude there's no air conditioning down in Miami it probably gets really hot awful. If there is a position to play when you're in Miami, it's quarterback. Bro, probably Green Bay. I hate to say that to you, but like it's surrounded by houses. You have neighbors, dude. You could climb up to the upper deck and see how, see what's cooking next door and, you know, yell at your neighbors and then pop down and go down the street.

Such a story town. He could just like get quarterback tips from all the ghosts. I don't think they're there, dude. the hallowed ground okay but you don't have an answer i think lambo's a great answer also property values are delicious you don't really have an owner yeah well i have a lot of owners no but if you're a packer that's i'm saying everybody's an owner everybody that's at my they're the best fans because everybody that's at the game is invested and they don't even have real cheerleaders hey reed um where would you live if you were baker mayfield denver We got the fire situation figured out.

Do you? Our house isn't on fire anymore. When you got to drive somewhere from your house, what do you say when you? Let's ride. Let's ride. Broncos. Broncos country. And then every, every time you leave your house, you see that giant horse, dickless horse.

The blue horse with the demon eyes. Okay. Can we talk about the Denver airport? No, I don't know. That's another podcast. Okay. Here's RG3. If you're here in Arizona, Colorado, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Tennessee,

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Robert and I was just laughing with Robert because I played against him a couple times watched him from from afar and we've never actually we've texted we've talked on the phone but now we're meeting in person on Zoom by 2020 standards nice to meet you bro Nice to meet you, brother. And I saw that tattoo on the arm, man. Like, I got a couple of myself. You're getting a whole bag. You're getting padded now.

A little bit, you know, just trying to delve a little bit. The longer you wait to get tattoos, the better they become. Because if you have enough money to pay, you can get a much better tattoo. Dude, whenever you see a bad tattoo on an athlete, it's because they got the tattoo too early. That's the whole thing. Exactly. You know, they've got the initials on the bicep or the name on the back or something. like a little bull right here. You know they got that one.

Or Trent Brown's two naked women and a guy in a football helmet with 77 on his pack, which it's okay. Trent's made fun of it. We talked about it under this show. And what makes matters worse for guys, you know, like in the locker room where you're like, man, that's a bad tattoo is a lot of guys got them before they hit their gross spurts. Oh, now they're all stretched out. You know, we've got a little stretch marks off a little bit.

Yes, dude. I know this. This is not what we're supposed to be talking about. No, this is what this show is about, dude. So you got a sleeve now. Do you have half a sleeve or the full sleeve? So I've got the whole inside sleeve of my left arm. And then I'm going to get the right side finish this summer.

But my entire left leg is tattooed up. I did that in two sessions. It took nine to ten hours, both sessions. You're a marathon guy, huh? You know, listen, if I'm going to be in pain, I might as well go ahead and be in pain one time. Sit there, get it done with. I'm not trying to come back for seven sessions, man.

Yeah. The leg, they say the leg's painful, though. Yes, the leg is painful. I will say this, the lower leg, calf, all that, not a problem. Upper leg, inside area, and the hamstring. The hamstring feels like they're carving off flesh from your body. But the inside is just, you know, it's too close to some other areas. So you get a little nervous.

All right, so do this for a while. You're a quarterback, so you might not, you might not answer this question the same me, but like a nine-hour session on a leg sleeve or a weekend training camp at Baylor. Oh, my goodness. Which one? What would you rather sit through? Well, I'm not going to lie. I love football, so I'd rather do the football. Yeah, because the quarterback. Yonnie, hey, man, we used to be getting hydrated, stretch it out, like just basically getting wheeled out there, the live-minute. You guys would be out there in red jerseys, just looking spry.

Oh, come on, now, 118 degrees out there. And when you're a mobile guy, practice is a lot harder than you're a mobile guy than it is when you just stand in the pocket and throw the football. That's a really good point, dude. I want to start there because we're talking about mobile guys. I told you I want to talk to you about Lamar a little bit, man. First off, I want to say this. I was just telling the guys, like, I didn't know much about you

when you were young other than that you were great at football. And I think a lot of times with like college football legends who have success in the league also, like, I would assume big ego and that sort of thing. And you were dealt some adversity. And like through your career, I just want to say this. Like, I feel the same way about Cam. Cam was always a superstar. And then at the end of his career, he had to deal with a lot of adversity.

And he handled that like an absolute champ. And you handled like your role in Baltimore and even the injury in Cleveland. I thought you were real classy about everything. So number one, I respected you the most when you were doing the least on the field, honestly, because you were a vet to Lamar. And I think that's a really cool thing and how it comes full circle. So what was that relationship like now? What was it like on the field?

and like, what do you think would help him, and he's an MVP, and I think it's unfair to ask this question almost, but what would take him to the next level? Yeah, Chris, I appreciate you saying all that. And, you know, even going back to my last year in Washington in 2015, when I didn't play a snap, I still had to be there for Kirk Cousins and Colt McCoy. And I took pride in being a pro in those situations. As you know, in life, everything's not going to go the way that you wanted to.

So when I had an opportunity to sign of Baltimore, I absolutely knew, like, the chances of me making that team were slim to none. They had actually brought me in before they drafted Lamar. And when they drafted Lamar, you can honestly say, like, the power of Twitter, saved my job. Because as soon as they drafted Lamar, I sent out a tweet and I said, I can't wait to get to work with this young guy and be there for him. And my quarterback coach called me like 10 minutes later.

And he said, hey, man, really appreciate you sending that out. you know, that went a long way with the guys in the building and the ones making the decision. So the way I took that was like, man, they were about to cut me. Yeah. I was draft of Lamar. I'm like, golly, I just got here. I just saved my job on Twitter.

I just saved my job because of a tweet. But no, the relationship with Lamar was great. What I tell people is like his first year was the frustrating year for him because everyone thought like he was going to come in. Right. Teams wanted to play receiver. Right. wanted to play another position, and he was dealing with all of that.

But when Joe Flacco got hurt and he had to be thrusted into, you know, to go out and play, I thought he handled it great. And then the following year, I saw him really open up. And that's when he really started asking a ton of questions, getting the feedback. And I felt like I was really being able to be more of a mentor for him in that second year, which I think is the year he went out of one MVP. Yeah. But our relationship was, our relationship was great.

I literally saw the guy do stuff on the field that I've never seen anyone do and stuff that I'd never seen him do. Like in practice, he would never make this throw. And then in the game, he would just do it. And I'm like, you know, that's just the sign of a guy who just has it. So I think for him, to answer your question about what do you need to do to take the next step, I think he's got to stay healthy. Obviously, last year he missed like the last four games. But when he's protected, man, the dude is lethal from the pocket.

he actually carries the Ravens more than any other quarterback in the league carries their team because of the workload they put on top of him. Exactly. So as you said, like, do one MVP. What more can you do? Yes, he can improve in the pocket, throwing the ball, being more consistent in that regard, throwing to the boundaries. You hear all these talking points all the time on TV.

But they don't hold up. The talking points hold up when you look at the tape. I mean, like it sounds like, yeah, that's the thing. it's I think for me it's just the offense in general like what does the offense have to do more than him I mean because obviously his productivity is maxed out but I wonder you know because we used to play Greg Roman twice a year in the NFC West and they were some dogs and they had a really complex run scheme and when you pair that with Lamar it's damn near lethal but at times you know I think about the Miami game or I think and they're all quarterbacks have bad games but the offenses in general

have bogged down and you know I don't know if that offense needs to have a little bit to fit his skill set, if that makes sense. Do you feel that way? No, no. What you're saying is spot on. The talking points that you hear on TV a lot of times aren't spot on with Lamar, but they're trying to, they have to find something to talk about. And you know this, like, finding that content on a daily basis when you work at one of these networks

can be difficult. So sometimes people fall into just saying stuff. Yeah, the narrative. Because it's an easy narrative, the easy thing to say. So, yeah, Lamar's not maxed out. as far as like his potential, but what the Ravens can do with him and have done with him, I mean,

they broke the record that, like, lasted for 60 years when I was there in Baltimore, running the ball. Yeah. So you know that when you get a Greg Roman offense, you better bucking a chance strap on that day. No question. Because they're going to run the heck out of the football.

And when you talk about scheme, I just think they have to use the regular season to figure out who else they can rely on outside of Lamar Jackson and Mark Andrews. Andrews. Right. Because when you get to the playoffs, as you know, they're going to try to make you play left-handed. Yeah. So is James Prochet a receiver that can step up for you? Is Devin Duvone a guy that can step up for you? Are you going to lean more on J.K. Dobbins and Gus Edwards, now that they're back from injury or do you lean on Mike Davis? I hate to say it, like, you know, every team's trying to win and, you know, all the time. But I think the Ravens got to go out there and kind of treat it like a Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan situation.

Like throughout the year, George is going to get his 30 points. But in the middle of that game, he's going to work on a part of his game that he's maybe not as strong at so that when he gets to the playoffs, he can rely on that jumps down, that fade away. So that's how I look at the Ravens. They got to spend the regular season and try to schematically take some stuff off of Lamar because there's no way for 17 to 21 games he can be Superman every single game. And that's what they have to do. And that's really tough too in their division now. Like that wouldn't have been as tough in the past. but now all of a sudden you got maybe to Sean.

I'll leave that there. And then you obviously got Joe Burrow right down the way. So it's tough for them to like tinker with stuff, but you're right. The preseason isn't enough to try new concepts for them. But I think you said it. Like you can't just rely on Mark Andrews and like going back a year. Your free agency can't yield like, you know, no offense to any of these guys, but Gus Edwards or whatever it was. It was Villanueva.

And then, you know, they bring in some. other receiver. Like Bateman's exciting to me. I know he wouldn't a free agent, but, but is he going to be the number one that Lamar needs to take it to the next level? Do they need to bring another receiver in? I mean, it's too late at this point. Yeah, I mean, I would say from a receiver standpoint, they really like shot Bateman. Yeah. He's got size, speed, string. All the, the communication, at least with me and them out of their camp, was that this guy, he's a true number one. Okay. He's the guy. So I do think that they'll, they have an opportunity there. But as you know, like, he hasn't proven it yet. So we can't like stamp him as a as a true

number one yet until he goes out and does it. Looking at their roster, I'm with you. They need to bring in a guy. Just a veteran. I mean, I don't know who. Maybe it's Julio Jones. I don't know, right? They got to bring in some veteran to kind of help the receiver core, or at least to give the fan base some confidence that they have another guy there who's done it before because right now in the roster, they don't have that. Now, I worked extensively with Pro Shea and Duverne. when they were rookies. So I know that they're like, they're ready to take off. Yeah.

But schematically, I just look at it as it's not throwing the ball. It's not, you know, they don't have enough weapons. It's when they call plays. Yeah. Yeah, I can tell you right now, guaranteed. It's third and short. They're running the quarterback, the quarterback draw up the middle where the back's coming across and he's either handing it off, reading the end or going right down the pipe on the

defense as a quarterback. It's the last big run I had. when I was in Baltimore, when I ran down the middle of field for like 30 yards. And I knew it. Like, I'm in the huddle. It's third and two. I'm like, yep, they're calling that every single time. Now, they might be mad at me because I just gave away that secret, but it's not a secret.

It's not a secret. Every team knows that when you face the Baltimore Ravens, that's what you're going to get. Exactly. Greg's been who Greg is. Now, the offenses change a little bit. And I agree with you. I think it's hard to ask the question. I hate even asking it.

How does Lamar take the next step? You could ask that about a lot of quarterbacks in the league, short of Tom Brady, but you're always looking to improve your game and fine-tune it. And I'm sure Lamar is, but he's an MVP for a reason, and I think they got to put the pieces around him. I kind of fell into a narrative thing. Well, people felt like I fell into a narrative thing when I talked about to it because I said he can't throw the deep ball.

This isn't a slight. I mean, it is. It's like saying that, you know, like JJ Reddick's not a great dunker. like it doesn't i'm not trying to kill the kid i'm just saying you can't throw the deep ball what do you think we need to see from tua this year to get him off the hot seat because at this point you know this is a business they're always looking to try to replace you that doesn't mean he's a bad player it just means that hey tom brady was retired for a second they wanted sean peyton tom brady they had

they had bigger things in mind and i think this is the prove it year for him what does he have to do to prove it yeah one of the because i think it is a prove it year for tua uh uh But I'll take it a step further. I think that Tua hasn't really been given a true opportunity to prove what he's going to be in the NFL. Right. Right. Last year, it just seemed like, you know, he was playing behind the 32nd rank pass blocking unit. So like no time to throw.

Everyone's saying he can't throw the deep ball. But when you go look at the numbers, you can see that he was accurate. Throwing the ball down the field. They just didn't throw it down the field a lot because he didn't have enough time to do it. Right. So for Tua, I just think they don't have to go to the playoffs. this year. It would be great for Miami if they meant to the playoffs. I think it would be

great for Tua's career to get a lot of people off his back. He just has to show progress. Their offense can't be stalemated for two, three, four games in a row with the firepower that they have. You bring in Tariq Hill. You bring in Cedric Wilson. You bring in Rahim Moster and then the other back they brought in from

the Cardinals and Taron Armstead. They just brought in a lot of guys to help Tua out. And I just look at Tua, and I've said this on TV before, in college, you know this. Everyone loved Tua because of the deep ball. The guy was historic throwing the deep ball,

throwing the ball down the field. Georgia fans still don't want to talk about, what was the second and 26th? When he threw the touchdown down the sidelines, they shouldn't want to talk about that, dude. They don't want to talk about that. So I just think Tua has to go out there. He's got to, you know,

he's got to have some three-yard passing games where he throws for four touchdowns and show people that he can not only get the ball to Tarek and Jalen Waddle in the short game, but he can also hit some of those deep balls. But he's not going to be able to eliminate that narrative that he doesn't have a strong arm because he doesn't necessarily have one of the strongest arms in the league. No, and no one's saying he's got a noodle arm.

It's just not he's not a top 10 deep ball thrower. I mean, that's not really his strength. Now, to your point in college, that was more of a thing. He was also real good at the quick stuff, the RPO type stuff. And that's why a lot of this stuff's going to be promising, you know, I've called it a yactory down there. I think it's going to be a yactory with all those guys running with. with the football, but when you look at like the deep balls, he has to, one, be confident enough

to throw them because there were times where he could have thrown the ball deep, pushed it a little, now the offense sucked, we get that. But then second, I think you pointed to some is that in college he could throw the deep ball. So what happened? He had that big hip injury. Like, I didn't know that he, I don't know. I still don't know if he's going to be able to get back to that form. This year is going to tell me a lot more because they're talking about things like torque and

shit. When I hear torque, I think something's going, his torque is coming back. Like maybe, maybe this is the, year for him. So I think it's fair to say it's a prove a year, but it's also fair to say he has been kind of hampered when it comes to having a chance to show that stuff. Do you think Lamar's near the top of the list of guys who are doing the most with the least? Like who are the, who are the guys in the league that you think kind of they make up for a lot of deficiencies around them? Oh, yeah. I mean, Lamar is the top of the list just because of what they did last year with all

the injuries. And it wasn't just offense, right? He lost his top three running backs. And then on defense, they lost their top two corners with Humphrey and Peters going down. And then Ronnie Stanley went down on the offensive line in the first game, which put Villanueva in a tough spot. But for Lamar, he does more with less and he does the most for his team. And it's just by way of his playing style and also the way they call the games. Other guy would probably be Aaron Rogers. And this year, he's definitely going to have to do that. I know you got A.J. Dillon and Aaron Jones there at running back, but at the wide receiver position, they just don't have a lot of proven guys. I like Christian Watson, the rookie. But I think Rogers is going to have to do more with less, at least early on until we know what Alan Lazard and Amari Rogers and Randall Cobb, what are they going to contribute to that offense. The rest of the guys in the league, I mean, you look at the top guys, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrell. They all have prolific.

weapons. None of them are out there like, man, I don't have a number one guy to throw him to. Right. You know? So they've all got, they've all got guys and weapons. And I think we're seeing that more. In the older days, 10, 15 years ago, you felt like the quarterback really had to be the one that just raised the level of lesser guys around him. Right. And I think NFL executives now are looking at it like, you know what? We got a top guy, but we're going to put top guys around him as well and make his job easier. That's why Brady left New England. He went to Tampa, had Mike Evans, and got Chris Godwin. He knew he was going to have weapons around him to help him elongate his career so he didn't have to keep carrying the team every single year. Yeah, I felt like a lot of people missed the point there.

I don't know that it's soured to the point where he had to leave. I think he was just like, I can't win here. You know, I got beat by Ryan Tannehill, no shade because I love Ryan and everything, but I got beat by Brian Tannahill in the rain at home. You know, so there's a point where people got to look out for themselves. And what do you make of the Kyler thing? I mean, like, I guess I say the Kyler thing, the elephant in the room is it just feels like towards the end of a season, he might slump a little bit, he might get fatigued. You've dealt with injuries.

You've run the football a lot. He runs the football. Like, he's got a great arm. You had a cannon two. What do you think it is when it comes to wear and tear with quarterbacks? What's tired on a quarterback, week 11, week 12? Do you think that's what's going on with Kyler? Yeah, I mean, I think that could be part of it.

You know, you've seen later in the year, Kyler starts to break down with his body. Yeah. You know, not just his play. Like he'll pull a hamstring or, you know, an ankle will go or something like that. And I think he's similar to Lamar in the sense that they don't run Kyler as much as Baltimore runs Lamar because no one runs their quarterback. Like Baltimore runs Lamar. But for whatever reason, not just Kyler, but the whole Cardinals team. just falls off the cliff near the end of the year.

Now, DeAndre Hopkins being out definitely, definitely hurt them. But I think that Kyler's situation broadly speaking like contract-wise, the Cardinals have no, they have no option. They got to pay him. Right. Because no matter how you feel about him and how he played, and the last game you saw him in, you've heard a lot of narratives about that.

And the last time you saw him was bad. So why would you pay him now? They don't have a better option. Right. If he doesn't play, they're screwed. So they kind of need him to play. they got to kind of fall into that and pay him the money that he wants. But in order for Kyler to take that next step and be that quarterback in the playoffs that he can

truly be, he just has to improve his decision making. And I don't think that's talked about enough. Kyler, you know, he turns the ball over, not an alarming rate. But if you look at his stats throughout the games, decision making is a problem for him later in the year. He's not thrown for four or five touchdowns a game. He's throwing for one touchdown in a pick or two touchdowns and two picks. and he's got to improve that

so that he's not putting the ball in harm's way. And then I don't think it's talked about enough that he's actually like a real gun slinger. He really is, yeah. He has a gunslinger's mentality. He thinks he can get every throw and he's willing to make those throws. So until you are Brett Farr,

right, and you win a Super Bowl and you prove that you can manage that and keep both teams in the game but go win the big one, he's got a cut back on those turnovers a little bit. What do you think the difference is late in the year when you're having a really good year. Those couple years you threw for like 3,000 plus yards. Like what do you think's happening later in the year when a player gets, is a quarterback getting schemed up? I mean, like,

I sit in the meetings too, but I don't know what changes. Is the speed of the game increase as the season goes on? The coverages change. Is it, what do you think yields struggle like that late in season? Yeah, I mean, I think you, you just hit every every one of the points on the head there. Teams do start to scheme you up. And I'm not a believer in, oh, well, scheme got so good that they just eliminated this player's success. That doesn't happen. It's more so of when you see a different coverage and being able to adjust. When I was in Washington and Baltimore, I saw coverages for myself and Lamar that aren't real coverages, right? They were game-planed week-to-week coverages that you never saw on tape. And it was that way because your quarterback is now a threat.

So it's not 10 on 10 on 11. It's 11 on 11. Right. So teams would scheme you differently. But I honestly think for the Cardinals, it was more so that they did not have DeAndre Hopkins there as a security blanket, an outlet, that guy in the boundary that you just say, forget the play. I'm going to throw it to this guy. They didn't have that in the playoffs and late in the year when he was out. And I think that truly hurt him. But Kyler, I just think I don't know what's going on in the building or attitude-wise or this or that. So I don't speak on that stuff. But what I watch on tape, he just looks.

a little bit more tentative late in the year. Almost as if all those mistakes early in the season, make him a little gun shy. And I just need him to be that same confident guy. Like he has a little bit of an arrogant confidence to him. And all the great QBs have that. Baseball. He's got that baseball, Gene, dude. Baseball guy's got a different swag.

Yes, they do. Like, I'm the best. I know I'm the best. You got to be. You got to hit that tiny ball. A bunch of times, dude. It's like, come on. I saw a guy for Tennessee was.

throwing 106 the other day. Dude, baseball players are low-key insane. Okay, so, Kyler, I get it. And also, you made a great point. Like, hey, when you were talking about training camp, you guys as guys who are actually running the fucking ball, too, are tired. Your hamstring gets tired.

He's dealing with fatigue that other quarterbacks don't have to deal with when you're part of the running offense. And you said it. I mean, like, there's a scheme there, too. And he's not the one calling the plays, and he's not the one drawing up the concept. Maybe he needs to be more involved in that Because it does seem like Cliff gets schemed up in the second half of the season too

So I'm not putting all everything on Kyler But it is interesting you know when you look at it The last quarterback situation here with Baker man I'm starting to feel bad for him I'm feeling bad for him because I've been there as a player when you play hurt And you don't get the thing out of it that you imagine you're supposed to get out of it Yeah right and you've been there Yep

So does that How are you able to look at the Baker situation? Does they hit close to home at all? I mean, obviously you handle yourself differently in sound bites. Correct. But as a football player, was there any part of you watching him this year? Like, damn, don't do it, dude. Yeah, I mean, any guy that I see playing now when we know they're hurt,

it's documented that they're hurt, you know, I always just err on the side of trying to tell them, don't do it, right? It's not a good thing. What you put on tape when you're hurt, they don't care, right? They don't watch that tape and say, oh, he was hurt here. No, no, no. It's just whatever the tape is and whatever you put out there, that's who you are. So when I played hurt in 2012 for Washington, I did that because I was trying to be there for my teammates.

And you know how that is? Like, you build this brotherhood and this camaraderie, and you're like, I can walk through, I can run through a wall for these guys. I don't care if my arms falling off. I'm going to give them everything I have. and for me back then it was morphed and turned into a negative thing. And I'm just like you feel like you watch Philip Rivers when he played with the torn ACL. And you see how that was received.

You're like, okay, well, I'm a gladiator too. I can do this as well. So I'm going out there playing with no LCL and ended up tearing my ACL. And I did that. And I'm like, I just gave my whole body for the team. And you felt like you didn't get that reciprocated, at least in the narratives that were talked about. So when I watch Baker, I'm like, man, this guy the year before led them to the playoffs and won a playoff game. So now he's coming out there and he's playing, you know, for his team, for his guys.

And the first thing you do in the off season is just thrown to the side. And I think that's a big reason why Kyler does not want to play without a new deal. He's taking the Cardinals of the playoffs the past couple of years. Obviously they haven't had success, but they went there. And now he's like, well, I need to get paid because I'm not going to get Baker. Yeah. And as you look at this Baker situation, the Browns created a mess with themselves, man. Not only did they give $230 million guaranteed to Deshaun Watson, they blew up their whole organization for a guy with massive off-the-field issues. Right.

And no matter how you really feel about Baker and like you said, the sound bites that have come out and what he said, he was never a distraction truly on the field. Right. So I just think I do feel bad for Baker because of that whole situation, and I don't think it was necessarily needed. I think the Browns could have waited. Other teams could have waited for the Deshawn Watson thing to develop and show what it was going to be before they make this move. And now Baker's obviously his career in Cleveland is just ruined. It's over. Well, here, I got a loophole for you.

And I was because it hit me. I was talking about this with somebody loud. I was talking to Minacombs about this last week. in some maybe more likely scenario than you think, Deshawn doesn't play football this year. Okay, Baker's still under contract. You can't get a trade done. You decide not to cut him.

I'm not a GM, so I don't know what the money situation is there. But let's say you're Baker and they need you to spot start or start a stretch of six to eight games. Eight games, I think sounds about right. I mean, 16, 17 games sounds right to me, but eight games is what's been floating. it. Let's say Baker has to start eight games for Cleveland. If you're

Baker, are you seeing the value in that? Because I would, even though I hate every minute of it, you also have a chance to re-aggrat yourself to a city that loves you for a second. And then you actually get to get your best opportunity to audition for another starting job, because I don't know that he's going to have a great opportunity in the future.

What would you do if you were Baker and you had to run out of the tunnel again in a Cleveland uniform? Yeah, I've said this earlier in the off season. I think Baker he should be there right now. I know that he was excused and the team, the team honestly wants nothing to do with them, so I don't know if that's even an option

for him to be there. But I think it's more likely that Baker plays for the Browns again if Deshawn doesn't play at all the year. Right. I think that's more likely. If it's a six to eight game times frame, they'll just play Jacoby Brissette and move on from Baker and whether they win those games

or lose those games, they're honestly not going to care. They're just going to try to be competitive, lean on their defense in the running game until Deshawn comes back. But if Deshawn is suspended for the entire season, I mean, if I'm Baker-Mayfield, I'm there. I'm in that building, and I'm going to go out and use

this year to prove to them why they should have never winning got Deshawn Watson. Now, that's my mindset. I'm a competitor. I don't know what Baker's thinking. I know that he was a walk-on when he first went to college, so I know he's got that competitive fire to him.

You see him, you know, planting flags in the middle of the field in college and doing that whole deal. So I think he should be open to that possibility if Deshaun Watson isn't going to play at all this year because Baker knows that offense. Where is he going to have more success? Going back to Cleveland or going to a new team and not having an off season to work with that offense

and with those players. The best case scenario for Baker is for Deshaun to get suspended for the entire year so he can step back in there and kind of reestablish himself. And that's going to put the Browns and all in a whole other situation. That would be the first take stuff would be insane. I think there's competitive spirit and there's a thin line between like being ultra

competitive and also being like just too prideful. We're all prideful. We don't like being told we're not the guy because you have to think like you're the guy to especially play y'all's position, dude. Was it ever hard for you like mentally like from a mental standpoint? I mean, not just on the field, but I mean mental, I'm not talking mental health. I'm not trying to hit you with a heavy handed, hey, were you depressed or anything? I'm saying like, is it fucking too much sometimes to balance those expectations and like manage your ego because you have to have an ego to be the number one guy?

Like they only play one quarterback. You know, like there's a thin line between believing in yourself too much. And, you know, did you ever have trouble riding that kind of balancing that? Yeah, I don't, I would say that most of my trouble came when I wasn't playing. Yeah. Because you're so used to being the guy. And I look at it like retired players. Like we both know this.

Like we've got buddies who play in the league and like they're out of the league and they don't really know what to do and who they are and how to operate and manage that. Well, at the quarterback position because only one guy plays, starting quarterback is the hardest position in football to play. Backup quarterback is literally the hardest position in football to be in. Right. Because you have to be ready at all. times, no matter what's going on, but you get no reps. Everything is geared towards the starter. It's not geared towards you, but when you get your opportunity, you have to step in and go get the job done. So I had more of those issues when you talk about like how you view yourself

when I was in Baltimore and my last year in Washington because you got to be a great teammate. You got to be a pro. You got to be active in that meeting room. And I focused on that to try to help get me through the pain being on the sideline and not being able to go out and truly impact the game the only way that we as players know how and that's playing. So that's where I had the issues and the difficulty because you always have to feel like you're the guy. You always have to feel like I can get this done or you can't play. And you know that. Once you lose that competitive edge, you're done. It's over with. So I just tried to make sure I didn't do that and just focused all my energy on how can I help the starter? And by that, I'm also helping myself get prepared to go play.

dude, it was hard at the end of my career. I mean, like, especially for you and me being top picks, like high picks. You know, like, it's in your DNA. We had expectations and other people didn't. Right. So then to like to temper that in your own head as you take on different roles. And people look at you like, why is he so hell bent on like, just be happy. Like, just be happy where you are.

You're in the NFL. You're getting 24 snaps a game or you're backing up Lamar Jackson or like, it's not going to be like it always. always was. And that's a tough thing mentally as veterans age, especially if you were expected a lot early in your career. I remember I had a D-line coach. It was like, Chris, you're not top five pick right now. Like, you're 33 years old. Like, relax. Give yourself a fucking break. And I think that's one of the hardest things to do sometimes if you've been where you and I have been. I haven't been where you've been. But it's tough late in your career. Yeah, it's 100% tough. And I agree with you.

Like coaches, they come in here like, yo, why are you so, like, hyped up, ready to go. You want reps. It's not that you complain. You're not complaining about rest, but you're like, yo, man, like, I need to get ready for this. So I need all of these reps. But as you know, coaches are more focused on the next guy. Hey, hey, Chris, hey, Rob, you're 33, Rob, you're 30 years old. Why do I need to get you this rep in Skelly? I'm going to give it to the fourth quarterback who's on the practice squad. And you're looking at them like, I need to practice, bro. I need to practice. I got to go out there and be ready to go if something happens to else. LJ, and I had that battle, and I'm like, you know, at the end of the day, you're never going to win that battle.

Right. You're not going to win that. You're not going to win the battle. And then also, like, the silver lining in that because one of my co-hosts here, his name is Nate Collins. And he played for a while. He was my college teammate. He played in Chicago and stuff. And we were talking about OTAs.

And remember the Bears got shut down last week? Yes. And we were talking about how we used to celebrate if something like that happened. But he goes, I don't know. Chris, you were a vet. And, like, you used to get all these reps. us young guys who are undrafted, we need those reps. And it almost is like when you get older in your career,

you know how the other half was living. Like when you were young, you should be out there trying to get all your reps. And I was. But I had reason to not be pressed. And then late in your career, you're pressed like those young guys, the undrafted guys. And you're also, they know what your ceiling is. So yeah, they're going to try the guy who they don't know what the ceiling is yet.

So it's tough getting old in the NFL. What do you think? this is a question that I kind of wondered because you you probably have to deal with a lot of people assuming should I assume shit about you at one point. What do you think is the biggest misunderstanding about RG3? Right. Like your career or who you are? Like what do you think people misunderstand the most about you? Yeah. You know, I've gotten that question before and I always feel like it's not really my responsibility to like go out there and try to defend myself or defend my career against any type of narratives. I've kind of taken the approach. I've kind of

taking the approach to that, like the people who know me, they know who I really am, the people who have been in those buildings with me, they know how hard I work, they know how much I dedicated myself to the game and how much I love the game. So I don't, I don't really worry about the misconceptions. I just know that when I step into a building and when you meet me and I, and I get a chance to talk to you, that's who I am. Whatever people may have heard here, there is all, you know, hearsay. And most of that stuff is taken down by what I've done, by my own actions. Yeah. So I don't ever try to approach it in a way where I'm like, I'm going to go out there and I'm going to destroy this narrative. Yeah. And that's like my, my thought process towards

that is like, should be for everybody. Never fall into a narrative that you know you're not, right? If someone calls you something or says this thing about you or your work ethic or how you view the world and you know that's not who you are, then don't fall into that. Never accept that as who you are and you'll be fine. Yeah. Because you know this. We're in public figures. We're in the public eye.

We play football at the highest level. We're opening up ourselves to criticism. Always. That's just the name of the business. And it's how you attack that criticism or how you handle that criticism that truly shows who you are. And I've tried, you know, at the end of the day, Jay Gruden, when I was in Washington, didn't say great things about it, right?

But in my exit meeting in 2016, when I left, he shook my hand, looked me in my face and said, I respect the way you handled everything, despite it not going the way that you wanted to go, and especially because of the things that he had said about me. To me, that was the biggest vote of confidence, right? The biggest compliment he could have gave me was, hey, I know I said some bad stuff about you,

and I didn't really treat you the right way, but I respect the way that you handled it because you handle it as a pro. Was that some sort of an apology? Some sort of an apology. Of course, I wouldn't have wanted that to happen. But at the end of the day, that's the only way you can do it. So when I have those face-to-face meetings and those interactions, that's who I am.

Anything else that said negative, I just leave that stuff alone and move on with my life. Are you ever surprised at how dysfunctional, you know, as stones get turned over in Washington? Are you ever surprised? Like, obviously, you don't know the depths of everything because I don't know people understand. us players we're not like upstairs we're downstairs uh but like are you ever shocked uh i can't say i'm shocked i'm more i'm more disappointed yeah for the players because i feel like everything that that happens uh in washington and it has happened over the last what i've been i've been gone from wisconsin for seven seven years six years everything that's happened has uh it has nothing to do with the

players nothing to do with the players you talk about jack del rio and his copy comments like, you know, comparing treason to the protest for George Floyd. The dust up, the dust up comment. It's like, first of all, I, listen, he's not the only person that feels that way. Obviously, that's why we are where we are. But yeah. He voiced it, right? He voiced that opinion.

But now it becomes a distraction. Yeah. It becomes a distraction for the players. And I was talking about this before. It's like, yeah, you can frame it however you want. But the bottom line is Jack DeRio made a statement that makes it. seem like, no, not seem, definitely seem like, or definitely be that he does not have the backs of the players who are from the black community. Right. That's just whatever, however you want to

look at it, that's what he said. Now if you're Jonathan Allen, you're Duran Payne, right, you're Chase Young. And I know those guys came out and supported their coach, but I thought they did that because they were professionals. Yeah. Now what are they supposed to do when it's the fourth quarter in game six of the season and their ankle is just destroyed. Are they given that extra? Yeah, am I shooting this thing out for Jack Del Rio? Are they given this? Are they given their extra effort for Jack Del Rio? No, they're not giving that extra effort for Jack Del Rio. They'll give it for their family, their own sense of pride, the guy next to him. But now he's just made it harder for them to go do their job without distraction. So that's where I look at and I'm like, I feel bad for the

players because it's not anything that they've done that's causing those distractions. So every time they step in the building, it's like, man, these guys can't catch a break. Yeah. Yeah. No, and, you know, it's the biggest irony in that whole thing, of course, for me was that if you go back and look at Jack Dorrio's comments on Kaepernick, that was a distraction. That was no good for the league and this, that, and the third. And me, you know, I don't, I'm a white guy.

So, you know, it infuriates me, but I can't imagine. I'm like, I'm kind of like if there's a distraction because I'm standing on principle, and I stood up for saying Cap should be able to say what he needs to say. Jack should be able to say what he needs to say, but there's going to be blowback, bro. There's going to be blowback. So don't look around incredulously when most of your team looks at you differently and then maybe even you get fine. You know, he's probably lucky that he didn't get worse because the last guy that was a distraction, and we just talked about him,

has not played a football game since. So, you know. Yeah, I definitely. I agree with that. And like, I just remember when I was in Baltimore and George Ford thing went down. Yeah.

And the meetings that we had, like we had town hall meetings with the whole organization there, players sharing their stories, talking about all these different things and how it impacted their lives and how they needed the team. So when you say,

hey, I'm a white guy. I was infuriated by what he said and what's gone on. But I'm more than, sure it makes you more upset. Like, I'm glad that you're infuriated. You know, I'm glad that you're upset because we need guys like you to be, to be the voice and step up and talk about these, these difficult conversations. But at the end of the day, like you said, Jack, he's just creating more distractions. And as a player, it's like, man, I know. Like, there's guys,

there's guys we all work with that we don't like, right? We don't like them. We don't like their view on life, but we still go to work and we don't let them get in the way of us doing our job. Yeah. But wouldn't it be. so much better if the guy that's calling the place for you, you actually have a great relationship with them. Yeah. And that little barrier isn't there. Well, it's there now and he can't take it back. And the hard part about a position coach or especially a coordinator is that that person, you know, affects people's playing time and that sort of thing. So depending on how outspoken you are in the wake of it, you know, like, and this was a big sticking point for me.

You know, after something like this, you get a bunch of people who are well-intentioned, but they're in, you know, maybe Chase Young's mentions like, you need to say something. Like, you're on trial now and you need to fight my proxy war for, you know, on Jack Del Rio. That guy is, he's got a job to do. He's got a family to feed. Yes, guys speak out. I've spoken out, like, pretty heavy-handedly. But I also signed up for it and was like, I know the risks of talking. Not everybody, I feel like, has to address Jack Del Rio after the fact. That's me because some guys are dependent on, you know, that.

check and they they can't see their snaps dwindle and that sort of thing so it's a really fucked up situation you put guys in i agree yeah yeah it is like you said it's no it's it's definitely a situation where guys aren't trying to do stuff that's going to affect their money yeah and and as you said like we we all have freedom of speech jack the real can say any wants i can say what i want you can say what you want but none of us are free uh of the consequences of what we say yeah exactly you know what i mean so so your point that you hit it right on the head and i would never tell a guy that he needs to speak out just because I feel like he should if it's going to affect his money. So I was not surprised when those guys came out and said, that's my coach, that's my guy.

He apologized. We believe him. What else are they supposed to say? And then also, like, you know this. Like in the locker room, I think some people assume that we don't have a bunch of people that think way different than us. Like there's a ton of people. Like, and also, where in America right now does most of the workforce agree with their boss?

Because it seems like the higher up, you go on the corporate ladder. you probably don't agree with that person. If you think like me or RG3, anyways, we've gone too long on Jack Del Rio. I want to ask you this question. Yeah, I want to ask you this question. Do you ever fantasize that you played somewhere else out the gate? I'm not saying, because I've done it,

and I loved where I played, even though we lost a fuck ton, but you know it really is hard on young players when the team's bad, and it's hard on you when you had to deal with what you had to do with. Who were the other teams picking around Washington? we were one, I feel like. Yes.

You could have been around. But what other teams? Yeah, I mean, obviously the first team would be Indy. And I think recently, Indy came out and had said that if Andrew wouldn't have been there, they would have been comfortable with taking me at that second pick. But that didn't happen. I thought the way that Indy supported Andrew,

was over the top. Now, they didn't protect him in the pocket with the offensive line, but they did support him with weapons and stuff like that. So I always thought like, man, if I had gone to Indy, my career would have went differently,

mostly because I would have been with a more stable franchise. Right. For me, the dream team would have been the Denver Broncos. So when I was going through college... Our producer is a big Broncos fan.

Calvary Rates back there pumping his fist, you know, mad imagining. I was a Broncos fan. I was a Broncos fan growing up. And the only reason I didn't grow up in Denver, I grew up in Texas. But when I was playing football initially, the Broncos were really, really good. John Elway, Spel Davis, Shannon Sharp, Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, Tom Nalen was the center. Now, if you know you know the center, you know the center.

You were a fan. Yeah, you're a fan, dude. I was a fan of the Broncos, and I'm sitting there as I'm going, we're going through the Heisman year at Baylor, and the Broncos weren't doing very well early in the season. So I'm like, oh, man, they're saying I'm climbing the draft boards. Like, I got a chance to get drafted by my team, and then Tim Tebow happened. So Tim Tebow comes in, starts winning games. They go to the playoffs.

He throws a touchdown to Marius Thomas, right, to beat the Steelers. And I'm like, golly, man. I had an opportunity to go to the team of my dreams. And Tim Tebow ruined it. Tim Tebow. Y'all need to bring that. You need to do another commercial at that house, you and Tim. There you go.

And then you're like. That's good stuff. That was my dream team. And then the other team that was serious about me was Philly. Philly was serious. Andy Reed wanted to bring me in. They interviewed me at the combine. He said,

listen, you never know what could happen. We could trade up. You can fall in the draft to us. And if you're there, we're going to take you. And I also thought that that would have been a good situation for me. Just because of Andy Reid's,

expertise and he's a quarterback whisper, all that stuff. I was really looking forward to that. But I'm not going to lie. When I got drafted to Washington, it was a dream situation for me also because my favorite team, and that was my favorite coach. Yeah. So Mike Shanahan was my favorite coach. It was a dream come true, quickly turned into a nightmare.

But at the end of the day, I was, you know, that was heartbreaking, especially when you're a young guy, you don't understand the business, right? Tell me this. Like, when we go in and you got 90 guys on the roster, that first year and you befriend the guy in the room with you. And then six months later, that guy's gone. Oh, yeah. He's not playing football anymore the rest of his life.

And you don't get to see him anymore. Like as a player early on in my career, that really hurt me. Because you go from college where you have all these guys and you grow together four or five years. You get to the pros, you know this. Guys are in and out. Your roster changes so fast throughout the year. You might have a guy that's in the room.

The first six weeks, he's gone after that. And that was a. a real reality check for me like wow okay you know i'm creating these relationships and then boom guys going out of here that was tough especially when you're on a bad team when you're drafted high like that that team is going to have a ton of turnover dude oh and so you know like we could play a game and try to recognize all the guys we play with even in a short stanton washington or eight years in st louis for me i play with a ton of guys man so hey i want to talk to you about track and field man, just too fast guys talking here.

Did you do a idea? You had to call track and field the other day? Yeah, so I didn't have to call. No, you're excited. No, I'm saying like, this is tough, though. You're like a football guy. You're a track and field guy too.

But to talk about it, it's probably challenging or no. Because it's not a play-by-play element. Exactly. Track in field is a very nuanced sport. It's very hard to talk about unless you're involved in it on the daily basis, like the different techniques and everything. But a couple months ago, requested from ESPN to be able to call the NCAA track and field championships.

And they looked at me like, why? Why do you want to call this track me? And, you know, at the end of the day, and we can get into this discussion if you want to, I do think that track and field athletes are the greatest athletes in the world. If you gave me Usain Bolt for a year, I could turn him into a top level receiver. But I can't take even Tyreek Hill or D.K. Metcalf, I can't take them in a year making the fastest sprinter in the world. I can't do that. So I think that there's certain nuances to the sport that make track athletes the greatest in the world. And I wanted to get back to the track and field world by calling those championships.

And I can tell you what, the reception that I got after the meet was just incredible. Dan O'Brien, who's an Olympic champion in the Cathalon and Laura Overton and Dwight Stones, who's a, you know, multiple-time world record holder in the high jump. They were on the broadcast with me, or should I say, I was on the broadcast with them. Right. And they were beyond gracious and giving me time to speak because that's their environment. So the reception from the track and field world has been phenomenal and I was very, very happy that I was able to do. That's incredible. First off, like really cool because, you know, like, you're doing a good job on the football media side, but then to like be a dual sport guy, you know, that's pretty, that's pretty dope.

And then on top of that, yeah, it's a difficult sport to talk about. I don't know who the best athlete in the world is. And my brain is doing a hundred meter dash trying to think about it as you were just talking so if i miss up but i'm like i don't know man is a sumo wrestlers i'm like in here just every corner of my brain is working so uh why don't more devon allen's happen this is the kid from oregon right and now my igles snag this guy he's fast as shit why why don't we just do that more you know yeah i mean there's this common misconception that track and field athletes are quote unquote soft but if you really look throughout the league some of the greatest athletes in the league were dual sport guys coming out.

Some of them ran track also in college. Tyreek Hill was a prolific sprinter in high school, 20 point guy in the 200. Ezekiel Elliott was a state champion hurdler. So like, these are, there's, Jalen Ramsey was a All-American Long Jump at Florida State. So these things do happen. They're just not talked about as often, but with Devin Allen, he was a great football player at Oregon. Yeah. He just had a couple of knee injuries that kind of made him make the decision to transition just to track.

And as you see, like when you run 1284, you know, what, 0.04 off the world record in the hurdles while you're going through OTAs four days out of the week. And he's training both track and football. I mean, the guy is phenomenal. Everyone keeps hitting me up and saying, can he catch? I'm like, just go watch his college tape, guys. The guy can catch. He's a really good football player for the University of Oregon. And I think we don't see it more often because track and field is so hard.

Trending Holiday, I don't know if you remember that name, but he was a prolific punt returner for the Broncos at one point in the Texans. He was an All-American sprinter at LSU, right? But you wouldn't know about that because tracks not talked about as much. Right, right. But these things do happen. And Devin Allen is making a transition to football. And for his pocketbook and his family, it's a very good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because track doesn't make as much money as football players do. But I think that's more so what it is. Are you going to, like Marvin Bracey's a really high-level sprinter, a 9-9 guy in the 100. And he played in, I think it might have been the USFL or something like that as a pun returner. Right. And he quickly decided no longer to play football after he got popped on a punt return.

Yeah, yeah. But I think that's why you don't see it happen more often with tracking football because it's such a hard sport. tracking field is to be at the top so you don't want to divert your attention. Yeah, you got no time. Yeah, you got no time. So like you're not going to get the best track athletes that the world knows about, but you can still get some really great athletes that like, hey, I got done to do after college. I would just get discus guys, dude. Oh, my goodness. Come on. I'd have a whole team of discus guys, RG3. I'd have, I'd have, I'd have a bunch of shot putters. We'd be throwing all your fast guys around, dude. Give me an NFL guy that you think

that has no track background that you're like, this is my guy. That's my last question for you. Give me the next, if I wanted to make somebody a track and field star, like Aaron Donald could probably throw a shot put 300 yards. Yeah, it's like there's a guy, Ryan Krauser, I just looked him up.

He's the best throw in the world. He's 6, 7, 320 pounds, right? That's a left tackle, okay? But he's a shot putter. Now, it would be easier for me to make him an offensive lineman, bring him and put him at guard or tackle, than to have Aaron Donald throw the shot put. It's just a harder.

It's so much technique. And I'm sure Aaron Donald might have done shop put when he was growing up. But if I could take one guy, I'm going to take the easy guy. And that's Tyrant Hill because I know he has the experience running track and field.

I would take him and say, all right, let's train you for two years. And then we're going to run you at the Olympics in 2024. And I think he could make the Olympic team. I don't know if he would be the fastest guy in the world, but I do think he can make the U.S. Olympic team, and that's big praise because the U.S. Olympic team is crazy good with Christian Coleman, Fred Curley, Marvin Bracey, I mean, Noah Liles. They got all these great runners who are running 9-8, 9-9 and the 100, but I think I could get Tyree killed there if I trained. Didn't we just have somebody famous running track? Not to say track guys aren't famous, but didn't we have somebody just Moonlight as a track guy?

D.K. Metcalf did it? D.K. Metcalfe last offseason. And did track people respect that? Yes, they did respect. Twitter is fucking ruthless. Track Twitter is one of the, like, don't step over there. Like, listen, like, track Twitter is not real big, but if you step on track Twitter, you're going to know about it.

It's like a landmine, dude. Trust, like, even for myself, when we called the meet, I thought the producer did a great job of, like, introducing me to the audience. Yes. Because people who don't know. You're going to be mad. They'd be mad. Like, why is this football player calling the track meet?

You never see track athletes call them. football games. Yes. So they did a really good job introducing me, like what I did in high school, what I did in college, how I ran pro at the Olympic trials in 2008. But even with that introduction, there were still haters for like the first, for like the first hour of the broadcast. They're like, get this guy off the broadcast.

But eventually we want them over. Yeah. Right. And it turned great. So I agree. The track, track Twitter is wild. And here's what I'll say about D.K. They appreciated D.K.

They appreciated D.K. coming out and trying. Yeah. D.K. trained for, I think, three or four months for that run, and he ran 10-3. Now, I'm not going to go out soon. D.K. got last in that race. Yeah. So for the track athletes, it was vindication to say, this ain't easy. Okay. Stop acting like it's easy, but we respect you for actually coming on the track and running that event.

Now, I'll tell you, D.K. Mecca, based off what he ran, if he trained for an entire year, he'd be way more competitive on a track. track. Not then on a football field. He's a great football player, but he'd be really competitive on a track. But I think track Twitter and the track community respected what D.K. did because he put his money where his mouth was and actually got on the track and ran. And I think they respected him for that, but also felt good that he got loud. Yeah, it's like fucking Jay Cole going to play professional basketball. It's like for you to take, have the balls to do this. It actually like compete at it and bust your ass. That's awesome. So, and the guys that beat. beat DK Metcalfer heroes

in the track community, I'm sure. Because nobody wanted to win that. They never would have been able to run again. So, all right, Robert Griffin, the third, man. This has been a blast. I hope you come back, dude. We love watching you on TV, and it's been great to officially meet you on Zoom, man.

Hey, brother, I appreciate you having me on. And like we said, when we talked, we're going to meet each other at the top. You're doing a great job with the podcast, man. I'm a big fan of yours. Thanks, man. We'll do this again, for sure. Likewise, bro. See you soon.

All right, brother.