Green Light with Chris Long - Ross Tucker & Beau Allen on the NFL Trenches, Eagles OLine & NFL Championship Weekend!

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

It's Trench Talk Day at Green Light! NFL OLine & DLine Masterclass with Ross Tucker and Beau Allen. Ross talks about relaying NFL DLine and OLine intricacies to NFL audiences as a member of the broadcast booth and what to look for. The fellas also break down Jalen Carter's dominance vs the Rams, the STOUT(land) Eagles offense line and dip into previewing the AFC and NFC Championships. Enjoy the line talk! (00:00) - Intro (2:20) - Ross Tucker in the Booth (7:15) - Jalen Carter (11:10) - Dissecting OLine and DLine Play (15:30) - Eagles OLine Dominance Under Jeff Stoutland (22:10) - AFC Championship Game Preview (26:30) - NFC Championship Game Preview Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Send any Talent Search submissions to: [e-mail] Include any video of your talents, takes and bits as well as a little bit about yourself. Love hearing from the Green Light fans. Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. https://paddleva.com/ Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgxWFAA-wuB7osdiAJyLOcw Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And I look over, this is like in the pre-pre-game warm-ups, right? So before you have your shoulder pads and jersey on or your helmet, any of that stuff. So it's like two hours before the game, hour, 45 minutes, whatever, right? Stoutland is in the end zone with Lannan Dickerson and Milata, and they're doing combo blocks. Yeah. And I've seen them do that with the inactive guys before, with like the practice squad guys, before. But I can't remember if Brady asked me if that was normal or not, or maybe I just said, I'm like, dude, I've never seen that. All right, here's an ad read from the Butter King. Thanks to

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Bet with Bad MGM. Happy hunting. Welcome to the Green Light podcast. Ross Tucker and Bow Allen talk trenches. NFL offensive and defensive line play what they see, what they like. The Jalen Carter play against the Rams last week. The Eagles offensive line and how dominant they are under Jeff Stoutland. The boys get dirty in the trenches.

And then we talk AFC and NFC Championship, a little preview. What we want to see, Ross, is a Buffalo Bill alum. So a good, quick episode here for you. Enjoy, and we'll be back with a very special episode. Tomorrow, stay tuned. What is up? Bo Allen here joined by longtime NFL offensive lineman, current CBS analyst Ross Talker Ross. Thanks for joining us, man.

Of course, dude. It was great to see you. This past weekend, always. Great to hang and fired up, man. I love talking ball with you. I know, it's fun, man. You get some, you know, former football players that miss the game that are retired now and work in the media sphere.

It's like, it's just easy to hang out, you know? You know, it's funny because earlier in the season, I guess on Chris's show or, you know, the Monday show, you guys like gave me props. And I couldn't tell on the social video. I couldn't tell like who all was in the room or whatever. I just saw Chris. and I thought, okay, they're probably giving me props because I talk O-line D-Line. But the thing you referenced wasn't even O-Line D-Line.

Yeah, I have. Because I know you guys like that. Bro, we fucking love you here. Pull that clip up, Cowboy. Let's show everyone just so they're sure. We have a lot of love for you on the Greenlight podcast. Here's Chris Long gassing you up, Ross. Best seat.

Anybody who listens to Ross Tucker. I know we talk a lot about, and I hope Ross Tucker hears this. so he can get his flowers. But we see you, bro. We hear you. If you watch ball and you pay attention to ball, there's going to be at least 10 to 15 times in a game if Ross Tucker's doing the game as a color analyst

where he's like, yeah, I remember that last week. It's just like when the guy from the Titans, 44 Brown, lays off a receiver in the end zone. And he's like, yeah, last week that happened. He's gunshot because he got called for unnecessary roughness against the Vikings. He just threads the needles, like before you can get the thought. out he knows it and obviously played a long time but we talk a lot about color analysts in this game we talk about tom brady we talk about greg olson we took i put him up there with those guys if ross tucker

was a damn hall of fame quarterback they'd be giving him 500 million dollars to call games he's that guy love ross tucker so so st l memorial to my dog ross tucker there you go baby we got the last thing at the end st l memorial we do uh so that's a st louis memorial we do different awards um on our monday and that's like one that we give out for like a small media market game because Chris was in St. Louis for so long. So like someone that's like performing really well but flying under the radar. Oh, no, I like that. I like that. It's funny because being on, you and I were talking about this over the weekend, but being on the sixth crew.

Yep. You know, I do a lot of AFC South. I did get a chance to do a couple of Raiders, a couple of Browns. I think most people probably know like how. it works in terms of, you know, Tony Romo, for CBS at least, Tony Romo and Jim Nance do whatever game is going to be seen by the most people, right? And then I do most weeks, whatever's going to be seen by the least amount of people. But it doesn't change anything for me. I mean, because I'm sure when I played in Buffalo and certain places that we were on that quite a bit. And like,

to the people that are watching that, that is their game. Like that is their team. That is their game. But it is funny, like, every once in a month, this happened a couple times where like the big game ends and then they like join us in progress. Because I can always tell dude, like I'll get like, this happened last year actually. I did Ravens Cardinals and it was a late game. There's only two late games. And somehow the Tony Romo Jim Nance game ended before us. So I probably got like five to seven text messages during the game for people that are like Ravens. fans or whatever.

And then with like a minute and a half left, we get joined by everybody. And I don't know how many people it is when we get joined, but like everybody, I looked at my phone after the game. It's like 67 text messages.

Like, you don't realize how big the NFL is calling games until everybody's TV set goes to your game. Or like this year, I did Patriots Chargers for NFL Network.

network. Yeah. So I had never done like a standalone game before when it's the only game on. And even NFL network, I don't know how many people get NFL network or not, but like that was like 10x what a normal game is just in terms of Twitter and emails and people texting me. Like I can only imagine,

I mean, people probably sick of it now that they don't do it. But like you can only imagine like Romo and Collinsworth and those guys that do standalone games every week. It's crazy. It's wow. Well, I'm happy that you, you know, you got a lot of love of the Greenlight Pot.

I'm happy you're getting some shine from some of those other situations too, man. It's good to be the star of the show. You deserve it, you know? Well, I appreciate it. I love that you guys go over every game, and I love that, um, I like that you guys, you know, I will say I think, and there's not a knock on anybody. I have, I'm curious to get your thoughts on this boat.

Yeah, man. You know how, um, for playoff games, Jay Feeley is, with Romo and Nance as like a kicking special teams analyst. Yep. I've said for a long time that really all these booths with quarterbacks or Colin Worth as a receiver, I think those guys do a great job of trying to understand line play.

It's really hard. It's really, if you never get it, it's really, you don't get it unless you've been down there in the muck, man. Yeah. Yeah, I almost feel like they could all use someone like you or me. It only might be like seven or eight times a game where it's like, no, no, no, like that was a club. That was a bullpull.

Yeah. Or like, you know what I mean? Or like, no, that wasn't a good move actually, the center. You know, like Rams Eagles. Can you believe those last two plays? Yeah, with Jalen Carter. Where the center and right guard weren't on the same page. Yep.

And they like let Jalen Carter go. Like right now, all you think about the last few days is what must be going through the Rams O line coach's head. Like, can you imagine? Dude, I can't tell the first one it looked to me like the right guard, Dotson, it was slide left. Yep. Because the center was like this and the right guard stepped down.

Yeah. But then the right guard leaves and the center's like, oh, crap, sack. Yeah. And the next play, I think was slide to Jalen. but the right guard again, Dotson, he's like vacating space and sliding to nowhere. Exactly. I'm like, oh my God, like he's their best player.

Critical, critical moment. How do you not block him the last two plays in the game? Yeah. And I actually, someone tweeted at me today kind of asking about that situation. I was fortunate enough to be watching that game with Kelsey and John Sullivan, who played center in the NFL for a long time. I played against him like two or three different times. Anyway, the general consensus amongst the finest interior.

Lyman in the history of the NFL, the three of us, is that I think, like, they thought there was some sort of fire zone on or some sort of stunt blitz. Like, Fangio blitzes a lot. And I think, especially on the second one, like Jalen did a really good job of making it seem like he was going to cross the center's face and then essentially countering back. And I think, you know, he thought he, the center thought he had guard help there. He didn't because the guard, like, exactly what we were saying was kicking out. But it's like, people don't understand the tiny minutia involved with interior offensive and defensive line play and how something

as small is like missing your strike or, you know, poor footwork on a reach block or something like that, it can just screw you for the entire down. So I agree with you, man. There needs to be like a you know how they have like the the ref specialists and things like that. Every booth has that. Like we need that O line

D line. We need like a lineman specialist, you know, just for every game. Two things on that. One is my big takeaway from those last couple of plays. plays, Jalen Carter is crazy smart. Yeah. And I think that's the thing that people don't think, like, I always like to joke that like

D. Lyman or the dumbest guys on the field. You're not wrong, bro. Because they, because they don't have to like, they don't really have to know a lot of the things that other people need to know schematically. It's usually like line up in this gap and then go to this gap or whatever, right? But understanding blocking schemes, understanding how people. are trying to block you and being able to kind of trick them

like they did the like he did those last couple plays that's huge. Yeah. And to your point, not this year. This year I was with Jay Feely but last year I was with Jason McCordy

for a few games. I'm like convinced that that might be the ideal booth is to have like a receiver or DB and then an O lineman or de lineman on the other side, right? Because like we would just ask each other questions all the time, right?

Like, anytime we were looking at the high end zone camera or like the sky cam or the pit framing, it was over. I took it. Anytime it was a receiver ISO or the all 22, he took it. But I would be like, dude, how is he, like, how does he get that open? Like, how is that even possible, you know? And then he would conversely say to me sometimes, like a play would happen and he'd be like, why aren't they doubling him?

I'm like, well, good, good question, but if you double him every time, then, but you know, it's like, it was cool to like, they were like legit, it wasn't like four TV questions. It was, he was asking me genuine questions and back and forth. And I always think, if he's asking it,

then nobody listening probably knows, you know, other than like you guys, you know what I mean? So it's perfect. Well, it's cool too because like, you take someone like me or you, like when I'm watching football, I'm watching the, the O line and the D line.

You know what I mean? And everyone else, like your average fan is probably watching the ball. You know what I mean? But like I've just been trained my entire life to watch the interior of the offensive line, you know, the interior of the defensive line. It's always perfect to have a counterpart like, you know, McCordy who's been trained to watch wide receivers and everything pre-snap involved with that. And it just makes for a perfect little, little duo.

You guys just fill in for each other. It's, I mean, it's a cool thing. But listen, man, O-line, D-line play, I think is still neglected. and underappreciated in the NFL. Well, it's funny because everybody knows, like, other than quarterback, either O-line or D-line is the next most important position group. Yeah. Yet they still don't really understand it that much.

I always say it's D-line, and I'll tell you why. You can get by with an average O-line. What you can't have is a bad O-line. Right. Like if you have five average guys, you might be okay. You know, and honestly, you're probably better off having five average guys than having three studs and two duds. You really are. Because those guys are going to get exposed.

You're almost only as good as like your worst guy. Whereas D-line, you really got to have some dudes. Like if you have all average guys, like that's fine. But you're going to have some issues, I think. I think, like, if I was drafting, my first round picks would be way more likely to be defensive linemen than offensive linemen. I guess I feel like I could find, you know,

guys in the third through six round on O line that'll just be, that'll get the job done just fine. Whereas D. Lyman, like, and obviously no offense to you, Bo, but like, for the most part, and I'm undrafted, but for the most part, like, most of, like, the freak show stud D. Lyman, they go in the first round. Like, it's like, if you're getting a guy later than that,

then like their technique is terrible or their effort or something, and then you're figuring out how to get them to play better. Yeah. Well, it's funny you say that, man, because I'm probably taking the Harbaugh approach and I'm going O-line. It's interesting that you think D-Line is the most important position. As a defensive lineman, I think it's O-line. Like, if you look at, like, let's just, the Eagles is a very convenient example.

I think they have the best offensive line in the NFL. and that's what spurred them to, you know, these long runs last week from Jalen and Sequin. And I think it's the biggest strength of their team. And I think that's what's going to, you know, ride them through the playoffs. Like if you have a bad O line, like it's the, you can't get anything done offensively. You're not going to be able to run the ball. You're, you know, your quarterback's not going to have time to dish the ball downfield. It's, it's really.

But they don't have to be great. They just have to be good enough. They just have like, you don't have like pro bowlers. Yeah. You just can't have guys that you're looking. to replace. You know what I mean? Like you can get by with solid guys.

I was thinking about this. Tell me what you think of it. Now I'm older than you. But the, I was looking at the Eagles O line on Sunday. And I really think they're probably the most physically gifted offensive line of all time. Like I don't know how many of those guys.

All time. But you've seen a decent amount of them in person, I get. You've seen a bunch of them. Like, my lot is like three, seven. probably with like abs and no fat. Landon's 3 55, 365, 360. I've seen him do some crazy athletic things. I saw a video of him doing the worm.

That was incredible. I saw that. Yeah. I remember just being like, What the fuck? Lane Johnson showed me that video. I was like, holy crap. Juergens is a different kind of freak show.

He's more like a Jason Kelsey freak show. You know what I mean? Very well. Smaller, but super athletic and whatever. Bechtin's 345. and moves well. And then Lane is like, has always been a freak, like 6-6-335. They have five legitimate athletic phenoms, height, weight, speed phenoms.

And I know there's been like the Cowboys O-Line of the 90s and stuff, but like, if you just went like height, weight speed athleticism ratio, I don't think there's ever been a more physically gifted O-Line that I can think of. No, I mean, it's, you're not wrong. I mean, it's, I think it's a wealth of great players on that offensive line. But also, like, they have an unbelievable online coach. I love Stout. I'm a huge fan of Jeff Stought. And I always love him because he put me in at fullback in 2016 and an HBO package, they called it.

It slowly got morphed into being called like the Honey Bobo package. But Stout, like, fought to have me play goal line fullback because I was grinding on scout team. And he made it. it like so much fun for me you know what i mean like when you're a defensive tackle if you even have the slimmest opportunity to touch the ball on offense it is like i will die for you uh but he's a great coach man like he is unbelievable and i know kelsey's talked about him a lot all those guys you see uh jordan say he's part of jeff's jeff stoutland university he's a fucking awesome coach and that helps too especially when you have freaks like those guys to mold so you'll appreciate

this two weeks ago i was calling packers and he's in the booth with Tom McCarthy, the voice of the Phillies, who was my partner for CBS TV. And I'm down on the field before the game. And it just so, there's not like a name drop, but it just so happens,

I'm saying hello to former teammate Tom Brady, right? Yeah. Because he's doing the game for TV. And I look over, this is like in the pre, pre-game warmups, right? So before you have your shoulder pads and jersey on or your helmet,

any of that stuff. So it's like two hours. hours before the game, hour 45 minutes, whatever, right? Stoutland is in the end zone with Lannan Dickerson and Milata and they're doing combo blocks. Yeah. And I've seen them do that with the inactive guys before, with like the practice squad guys before. But I can't remember if Brady asked me if that was normal or not, but I, or maybe I just said, I'm like, dude, I've never seen that. Like two pro bowl guys. Yeah. Two hours before the game. chest pad too and like he's got a lot of energy like he'll they'll get up there and thump him you know what i

mean like it's fun to see but like two hours for the game two pro bowlers are out there in the playoffs after they've been doing this for 27 weeks maybe 26 weeks working on their combo block like i'm like what is going on right now that is not normal yeah stout gets those guys absolutely dialed i mean there's there's two what uh lane and my lota were second team all pro and i think that's bullshit, frankly, that lane wasn't a first-team all-pro. We don't need to get a ton into that, but that just speaks to the, I think I remember seeing a stat. I can't remember exactly what it does that Stouts had an all-pro O-Lyman or a Pro Bowl

O'Lyman for the last like 15 years or something like that. It's incredible, man. You know what's crazy about that, too, is when Chip Kelly hired him from Alabama, I don't think he had ever coached in the pros before. No, correct. Yep. I don't think it ever, which makes it even more impressive. and it's funny because, like, there was a couple years when he was at Alabama.

I didn't even know who he was. I didn't even know he was at Alabama, right? And I can't remember it was like Mark Ingram or Henry or whoever. But there were a couple years when I thought, you know who the real Heisman is? Alabama's offensive line. Like Alabama's offensive line should win the Heisman, not like any of their skill guys. Yeah. I feel that way a little bit about, you know, maybe the running back for the Eagles isn't all that good.

Maybe it's all just the offensive line, you know? It's such a weird dynamic because it feels like, Bo, they get like two yards, two yards, negative one, six, two, 70. Yeah. Like it's like the weird, like he had two touchdowns over 60 yards. People like, oh, he averaged 7.6 yards per carry. I'm like, wait, he had two touchdowns that were like 140. 7.6 yards of carry doesn't sound that good to me if you took two to the house.

I was being facetious. I think Sequan's a freak, but it helps when you have that O-Line that we talked about. This episode of the Green Light podcast is brought to you by Dea Pizza, featuring dairy-free cheese now made from Dea oat cream blend. Let's talk about faux moo, the fear of missing dairy. It's real. The Butter King has certainly had it.

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the divisional round, Chiefs versus Texans. Looking ahead to the Chiefs versus the Bills at Arrowhead, I feel like this game has almost seemed inevitable, like all season. You know what I mean? Mahomes and Josh Allen, you just feel like there's always something there.

Like, what are you most excited about about the AFC matchup? Well, a lot. And I should say in full transparency, the bills were like easily my favorite team I played for. Yeah, you sound like Chris. Chris is a bills like has been pushing the bills all year. He's obsessed with Josh Allen. They're an easy team to root for.

But you obviously- Josh Allen is my favorite player in the NFL. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he is like, and I think like I was talking about this on the fantasy feast podcast. It's my fantasy show. Nice plug, Ross. Nice plug.

Love that. Fantasy Feast podcast, Ross Talk, I, I love. the Josh Allen rushing yards over prop. Dude. Yeah. This is like, this, it's now or never,

right? Like, and he's almost unstoppable running the football. He's like a 250 pound running back. Yeah. It's like that first drive for Notre Dame against Ohio State,

except Josh Allen's like faster and bigger than Riley Leonard. And tough and hell. It's, dude, it's, So I'm excited about that. I'm excited to see a team play the chiefs and not make critical mistakes. The bills haven't done that all year. They've been awesome with turnover ratio.

I'd like to see that game be a clean game. You know, like I'd like to see somebody not take some of the dumb sacks and penalties that the Texans did. Like, we were talking with him and I was joking like, you do a Chiefs playoff game and every third down I said to Kevin Harlan probably looking at Kelsey here and then like Mahomes throws it to him and he catches him like what is happening in the world

that you're playing a playoff game against the Chiefs and you let Travis Kelsey be the guy that beats you. But even just talking before the game with some Texans coaches, they're like, listen dude, if you play zone, I think it's because like his basketball background that he's just so good. at like, he's like a shooter finding the space, you know, to get his, to get his three off.

Like, Kelsey's so good, his spatial awareness of being able to find that space against Zone. I wouldn't play zone. I mean, I would play, I would, I would have somebody spy Mahal, but then I would play man on Travis. He can still beat him. But to me, the way I look at, if you play Zone, you're definitely going to get beat. Like, he's definitely going to. find the hole and Mahom's going to hit him. If you play man, you have

a chance. You have a chance in that situation. So I'm curious to see how the bills do that. The running of Josh Allen, not making the mistakes. I mean, to me, oh, by the way, the bills kind of have a beastly O line. Like they have

a sneaky, I was watching some clips of their right tackle, Spencer Brown. He, dude, he was kicking ass on Sunday. You know, the second half of that game, it was almost like the bills ran it more effectively than the Ravens did. You know, the bills kind of, they can actually really run the rock. They're really balanced offensively, man.

Like good tight ends. They have, you know, they've got a, they've got chain movers on the outside. Pretty good run game, good O line. I mean, I'm excited to see Chris Jones. Like sometimes he lines up on the edge, you know, in Spag's defense against the right tackle, Sprintz, bro. Oh, you got a sweet sack against Houston doing it. You did.

And then also, Creed Humphrey, I think, is one of the. he's a good center. Like I think he might be the best center in the NFL right now. And like Dayquan Jones, a big boy for the bills, he doesn't get a ton of love. He's really good. Jordan Phillips, really good. And then Ed Oliver, like the interior offensive line for the cheese

versus the defensive line for the bills is going to be a fun matchup for me personally to watch because, you know, that's my bread and butter. Real quick, we only have a couple minutes left, Ross. Appreciate all of your time, of course. But let's talk NFC championship game. A little bit of an Eagles homer here for my time in Philly. But, you know, divisional matchup between the commies and the Eagles on Sunday for the NFC championship. What are you looking forward to in that game?

Well, first of all, I'm looking forward to being there. I'll be on the sideline for Westwood won. Thank goodness. I mean, you want to talk about stress, Bo. That afternoon, my Westwood One boss texted and said, if the Eagles win, you'll be in Philly. If they lose, I don't know if you're going to L.A. or KC. I was like, you guys better win.

I did not want to have to fly L.A. or connect to Kansas City. So those guys don't realize they were playing for my life schedule or travel on Sunday. But, you know, it's so crazy how talented the Eagles are that their passing game is giving them very, very little. And they're still winning. It's like incredible. I think the Hertz knee thing and how bad it is or isn't is a huge factor. Because if they don't have to worry about him on the design runs, think about all those lines like where they fake the sweep with Sequin one way and then

Hertz takes it the other or any of the zone read stuff. If they can just sell out for Sequin, which by the way is what I would do. do until Hertz proves he can run, that's going to be a major, major factor in the game. I still think that the Eagles will try to run it. It's interesting. I think Payne and Allen are both banged up because I'm watching them and they look fine,

but they don't look like they normally do. They're not out there like killing people. They're not getting off blocks the same way. I think they both might be banged up. Alan's trying to come back from a torn peck. Yeah. That's tough in the season. like that. So I would expect the Eagles, even though those are like their big name defensive guys,

I would still attack them and make sure those guys can hold up. And Frankie Louvo is a thumper too. Love that, dude. Love Sainra still. Yeah. Any 5-9 guy that's that good in the NFL, I like, I love that. How he tells him he told he's too small. He's out there making plays, lighting people up. It's awesome. Yeah, he's having a good year.

And Dan Quinn, you know, obviously defensive mind there. I'm sure he's got a good plan for the Eagles offense. Okay, one final question for you, Ross Tucker, big beer guy. We talked a little bit about some of your favorite IPAs. You can only drink one IPA or sorry, you can only drink one beer for the rest of your life. What are you going with? Ooh. Oh, that is tough because it's rest of my life.

Rest of your life. And only one. So if it's a light beer, it would be Labat Blue Light, which yes, is my sponsor, but it's also delicious. Smart. And if it's an IPA, it's Julius from Treehouse, which is delicious. I'm wondering if there's like, I'm trying to think if there's like a, if there's a way I can like split the middle, like almost like a all day IPA, you know, or like a sweetwater 420. I'm thinking like, I'm thinking like a sweet water 420 because Julius like, you know, you can only have so many of those. Yeah.

And then Labat, Blue Light I love. But I mean, I can have a lot of, you know, I'm going to have some of those this weekend, maybe. It's doing dry January, but that's coming to an end quickly. I'm excited. Well, shit, Ross. Thanks a lot for your time, man. I always appreciate talking ball with you, especially, you know, O-line, D-line play. And you've got some incredible insights into the game, man.

So appreciate having you here on a Wednesday. I think we're calling this a Wednesday roundup for GLP and would love to have you back sometime. I love it. My pleasure, dude. Great hanging this weekend. Thank you for having me. Yeah, I appreciate it, brother.