Green Light with Chris Long - Ryan McGee! CFB Super Conferences, Rivalries & Saban vs Fisher. Hard Knocks & Manti Te’o Review with Beau Allen.

Episode Date: August 19, 2022

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Welcome to the Green Light Podcast. We got a fun show today. ESPN's Ryan McGee jumps on to talk college football of super conferences, the Big Ten media deal that was just announced. And what's going to happen with rivalries once these new conferences shake out? Plenty of fun with Bo Allen today too. Bo recaps his trip to Montana to visit Chris, his trip to New York for Good Morning Football.

We also talk about Deshawn Watson settling for an 11 game suspension. Recap Hard Knocks episode two and the Manteau. documentary and then hit a quick mailbag. Y'all enjoy. I can't tell too many good jokes because I got a date tonight and I need to save some material. Okay. As promised, Bo Allen's here. Bo, gentlemen, Reed, Matt, my fellow Americans, is this a code break riding in the side car of a motorcycle in in motorcycle communities and in communities at large? Is this a code break? I don't think so. They make the sidecar for a reason.

Yeah, for fucking French bulldogs. Yeah. I'm not a dog. If you're really attractive or really fat, you're good. But other than that, that's it. Bo, that's going to be a no for me, dog. Like, I'm just going to warn you, if you ever get a motorcycle and you put a sidecar on the side of the thing, I'm doing seated prom pose before I get in that thing. Really?

Yeah, yeah. Side car will have a motherfucker looking diminutive out here. You know what I mean? I'm a six foot four man, dude. I'm going to be, you know, hunched down in that thing. No, no, sir. That adds to the, you know, the comedic effect. I think that's a plus, really.

You got to have the goggles on, the racing goggles. No, I saw the two dudes in a sidecar last night. I was trying to park and we were kind of having to stare down over a spot. And I, you know, I was like, I respect the fuck out of it. It's not for me, but I respect the fuck out of it. I think if you're wearing a, you know, like the motorcycle club jacket and you're sitting in the side car, It's a little, that's a code break. I think it was, and that's what I saw.

Like, dudes were suited and booted. They would look like a triumph ad. Okay, yeah, then that's a code. But if you're just like catching a ride, if you're, you know, riding somewhere. Guess what? I'm going to be holding you like, like, it's prom night, read. No, but honestly, it's also dangerous. It's not just like, it's not, it's not just off-putting.

It's, like, dangerous, too. You know, when you walk through a doorway and you hit your elbow or you jam your thumb on the, on the doorway. Right. Like, that's the same thing. You're the elbow. Think about it. Dude, driving the motorcycle.

You go into a tunnel, a fucking road sign. Yeah. No, that's on the drive. If he wants to have a sidecar, then he has to be... No, I'm saying, but you're the one who gets... You're punished for that guy, you know, looking at the other lane. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you. Yeah, but when you step in the sidecar, I think you know that, you know, you're priority number two.

That's part of the film. Yeah. You got to check out this sidecar racing league. I don't know what it's called. but they do it on the Isle of Man and it's very fitting because you got you gotta have like gigantic testicles to hop in the side car

these guys are going 160 600 Cc's I have no idea what that means but they're there it's like it's like bob sledding like without a condom you go look it up dude it's an inaugural race it's been held since 1907 it's also it's been called

one of the most dangerous racing events in the world yeah they're going to be shutting that thing down soon dog many competitors have died yeah there's a wikipedia page dedicated to the list of isle of man t t mountain course fatalities how long's the list uh do you have to scroll you're scrolling he's scrolling oh my god he's still scrolling this is like there are memorial holy smokes there are 265 entries yeah dude that's like uh it's like wing suit level stuff so Anyway, speaking of flying like wingsuits, Bo, we give out on this show.

Have you ever seen us give out? You probably haven't. Best flight, worst flight on this show? No, I've never watched the show. I've only been on it. Best flight, worst flight. And I'm wondering, Bo, if your flight home from Montana

would qualify for best flight or worse flight? That was a good flight. I was happy to be leaving you. I was hoping it was a I mean, dude, I think we've all been on some fucking bad flights. Like, bad.

Like, one time I was on flight with a literal 600-pound woman in the middle seat in like economy, never flown economy since. She scared you all? That was a bad flight. Like, I was getting looks of pity from,

I don't know if you can see me, but I was like hanging from the seat because I couldn't squeeze. Yeah. And she was sweating on me. It was really a fucking nightmare. Well, the sheer, who, okay, let me ask you this, Bo. Who walked down the aisle second?

So she was the last person on the floor. No, that's the bar, dude. I did it. I got an open seat. Like, and she comes, I mean, I'm not trying to be a huge dickhead here, but like comes ambling down the aisle, like, narrowing, rumbling, stumbling. Yeah.

Yeah. she's a two-gapper bro and everyone just like everyone who looked at me with pity some dude next me gave me a magazine that's how bad he told what magazine was it was it was a sharper it was like something like that it was like the economist and I was like I'm not fucking reading this bro like a 30 sucks all right well that did so yeah I was wondering because we had about the worst hangover I've had in 2022 that day that's what I saw until the weekend, dude. Yeah, you've been on a real bender.

You know what's not a code break? That speedo of yours. You liked it? I like the fact that you posted it online. I'll take that as my compliment of the day. If you tell me you like that speedo back. I'm a speedo guy myself, man. I just don't have the audacity to bust it out.

So kudos to you. Speedos and side cars. Speedos and side cars. It's like beer bongs and bentley's better version. Is that a thing? that's the that's the post Malone right yeah i'm just not into the new music i guess i guess i guess i'm a fucking boomer uh how's my Airbnb rating for your trip to montana five stars night one was a little you know we had to we had a break into fort Airbnb but uh you had a contingency plan honestly

five stars thank you truly i appreciate you really rolled out the red car but we had a great time man Did you ask, are you asking if I had a good time? You want me to reciprocate? Fuck yeah, I had a good time, Bo. Except for when we almost sunk the boat and, and, and, uh, with a bunch of veterans on there. Yeah. The, uh, the panic in your eyes was just, I'll never forget it. Oh.

Chris, Chris, Chris. You got a lot of water here. Chris, Chris, Chris. Chris. It was flowing out of the top. We had to call Baywatch Howie Long. Oh, he loved it, though. Right?

He loves doing rescues. I'm pitching a series, actually, to could be you. If Netflix, if you're listening, could be you. It's Howie Long just doing different rescue missions. Like Paw Patrol, but with Howie Long. But it's his own kids. It's his grown kids. It's his adult children.

That's good. That's really good. That's good. Hey, Bo. I might make you an EP on this thing. Let's go. I can come up. I got to pitch it to Howie.

All right. Housekeeping, man. A lot of housekeeping, a little housekeeping here. First off, shout out to Caleb. A guy who listens to the pod. Sends me his fantasy football league players, names of people. Yeah, lineup. The people in the fantasy league, Caleb's League.

And he tells me, now this is becoming an annual thing. where we order the draft. And so I feel like I feel like I'm playing God a little bit here. I really do. You are with this. So it's Boston Dynamics. So I'm just fucking, I'm just doing my thing. Okay.

You guys have the names, Bo. I'm going to read you the names and then we're going to order them. How many are there? There's a lot of white guys in this league. Oh, man. Okay, let me give you the names. Okay. These guys alphabetized it,

which is fucking, I would never. Adam, Bailey, Camp, Camp, Damon, don't know a lot of Damans these days. Caleb with a K, shout out. Lloyd, who's last year's winner, love the name Lloyd. Tripp with two peas, Truman, Witt, and William. We don't know the name of this fantasy league, do we? I have it written here is Caleb's Fantasy League.

Caleb's Fantasy League. We can call it the... They should not. name it, whoever wins that year, the winner, their fantasy league the entire year until it's until the next winner's chosen. Maybe next year it'll be Lloyd's

Fantasy League. That's right. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. You get the name. You're the namesake. If you win this son of a bitch. You should get to name the league. Like not your name. Like, Lloyd's League. Yeah, but like come up with something fucking better than that. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I'm thinking about that.

Lloyd's League of Legends or something. I don't fucking know. The Caucasoid circuit. It's a bunch of white guys here. Okay, so anyways, guys, work on that. Adam was the first man, right? Apple, the whole thing. So he's gonna get, he's picking first. Okay, congratulations.

It was written. No. Yeah, yeah. And I'm gonna go. Truman in there? Truman. I love the movie Truman show. It's a great movie, so let's put him second.

Cool. I love to camp. I love to camp. Camping is fun. Let me go camp three. Got to put our boy Caleb up there somewhere because like this is all his brainchild, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Caleb, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Batting cleanup will get him four. Okay. Bailey's going last. So just put Bailey back there. No offense, Bailey, but I know more dogs named Bailey than people. No? No, I love that.

Like, let's pick a guy and be mean to him. So it's buddy's right. No, we love you, Bailey. Remember Chris Long was shitting on Bailey? No, Bailey's probably some like Irish guy with good hair. It's a lot of ass. He's like the biggest stud out of all. Yeah, he's slaying.

All right. So we got Bailey going last. I'll throw William in fifth trip and then wit. Fuck, man, Damon deserves better. Go ahead and take Caleb at four. Yeah. Flip him and put, uh,

put Damon at four. So read that order back to me. So right now, Adam Truman Camp. Damon, Caleb, William, Tripp, Witt, Lloyd Bailey. Camp Damon. It's like Camp David.

Camp David. Camp David is so fucking stupid, dude. It's not a threat or anything. Don't send the FBI to my house. But like, guys got to go for jog. You're not in nature. You're not alone. There's a secret service agent with you. It's not, you're not, you're not somewhere private. it's not a fucking this isn't a game yeah I do some karaoke with my buddy at camp David yeah I would

yeah I would never by the way uh both saying karaoke there one night and that was a highlight and we brought the house he brought the house down with zombie put up the cranberries yeah

yeah I'll put the video up I'll put the video up there were kids in the bar it was 10 p.m. There were kids in the bar okay uh and one last thing One last housekeeping item for me here. Softball this week. It was my big opener Tuesday night. Rain out.

I mean, I schedule my chiropractic work around this softball league. Like literally I won it the day I take cuts. So this is a big deal to me. And I was disappointed. Maybe the second most disappointing rain out in my entire life. The first being, Bo, you were almost there. Where? Bonaroo.

Oh, brutal. Yeah, that was a bad one. Imagine if you were actually going to go. I was actually going to go. I got rained out. You got lucky you got rained out because you pulled out the last second. You probably were happy it got rained out. You piece of shit, that's a lot like when you leave a team and root against it. That's probably what you were doing. We were talking about the bail bag stuff.

Also, it's a wood bat league. Let the overrunners reflect that. Yeah, I know. It doesn't affect my overrunner for home runs. Remember, I gave you zero. Okay, yeah. So, I mean, we can go negative if you want, but... No, dude. They're going to do a documentary about me.

Okay. It's going to be like Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire without the steroids. But they said steroids was a good thing. Remember, that was... That's what they said that was the... All the people in your replies on Twitter. Yeah, that's true. Take steroids.

Yeah, yeah. Not doing it, dude. Come this far. I'm not going to do it now. It's not going to taint my reputation and retirement, get busted for the sauce. And you had a housekeeping item too. I believe, Bo. Oh, yeah.

Shout out to our teammate Eagle and Zach Ertz. Just had a kid. I was going to say, you know, he's a Stanford guy. Impeccable timing. Impeccable timing. August 18th, get a couple days off from camp. You know, I love that. Yeah, that's executed well.

That's called timing on the route. Yeah. He knows when to sit down in the zone. Plan that up real well. Yeah, yep, yep. Hey, congratulations, Zach, Ertz. you fucking stud you handsome son of a bitch

we love you but we know we we see through this thing yeah we know it is about this is a plan months in advance get a couple days out during camp you know yeah real vet move they don't even practice you down there

Cliff Kingsbury is like a peer dude he's not practicing you hard he let Kyler call the plays the other day Zach he doesn't care just ask for three days off you don't have to go to the links of having a baby well you didn't have the baby It was all jewelry. You did nothing.

The real athlete. Yeah, the real athlete in the family. So big congrats to them. And also, that's fucking, it's just awesome. That makes me happy, man. They're two awesome people. Madden Matthew Ertz. Great guys.

Madden? Madden. Nice, dude. Nice. He needs his own bus. So now we got Ryan McGee, who's one of my favorites. I mean, really is one of my favorite guests. We always go overtime.

We could probably talk for two hours about ACC football alone, but we're going to hit all the conferences. So check us out here, and then on the back end of this show, we're going to have some more fun. Well, it's not going to be all fun because we have to talk about Deshawn Watson, but after that we're going to have some fun. So stick around for a second after Ryan McGee. You know, I'm not an athlete anymore per se.

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$8 billion. I can't even comprehend this money. But I guess my first question, Ryan, would be what the hell does it mean in layman's terms? What are the implications of the news that we got today? The implications are we're moving toward, and everyone continues to tell me this isn't going to happen,

and I don't see a scenario where it doesn't, but we're moving toward some degree of, you know, two super conferences. Yeah. And I mean, you guys, I'm in North Carolina, you're sitting right here and run off to back of road. And so the immediate conversation that I'm having with everyone in Charlotte and, you know, my dad, I was with him last night,

right before the deal was announced, he was at ACC football office for 40 years. And we're talking about what happens now. The Big Ten's good to go. The SEC is good to go. We don't know about everyone else. And so, you know, all the stuff about, well, this school has to pay this to leave their conference. All that's out the window now, because there's so much money that, you know, at some point, someone can write a check.

I tell what I worry about, man. How long are you in the league? 11. Yeah, and your dad was in the league. 13. Yeah, and no offense to the NFL, that's not what I want to watch on Saturday. Yeah. It's not.

And so what I worry about is, like, you know, I was talking to Bill Handman. the executive college football playoff two days ago. And, you know, we're more than likely going to go to 12 teams in the playoff, which means there's going to be buys. That's NFL. Yeah. We're moving toward having, we already have free agency, right?

And I have no problem with with the transfer portal, but we're going to move to two super conferences and the champions of those conferences are basically you know, the number one seeds and a 12 team playoff. Damn, that's that's pro football.

And that's not what I want to watch. It's not why I love college football. So that's what I worry about. And we've had this conversation before, man. I cover motorsports. I watch NASCAR do this to itself in the 2000s, which is you make all these decisions that aren't great decisions, but you had to make in the moment and you're making so much money,

it doesn't matter. And then one day you wake up and your core fan base has said, I'm gone, I'm out. I'm going to find something else to do. And so it's impossible. for us to think about that with college football, but that's the part I worry about. And these are, I've had this conversation with Nick Saban and with Kirby Smart and with commissioners. And so, um, that's my only concern is no offense to the NFL.

Yeah. No, no, no. But that's not what I want to watch on Thursday night and Saturday and, and, you know, Labor Day weekend. It's not. You know, it's, I like college football. And so I love the distinction between the two. So that's what I worry about. Well, there's a reason.

college football is at least in the same stratosphere as the NFL, and it's not quality of football. No. It's everything else. Yeah. It's, you know, when the games are great, they're great. But what's great about college football is, is that, you know, I can go to a game at BYU on Thursday night, and then I can go to a game at Wake Forest on Friday night, and then I can go to LSU on Saturday. And Labor Day weekend, I can go to, you know, Arizona State or Florida State or whatever on Monday night and see four completely different games with four, with eight completely different styles of football. Right. With different bands and different colors and all that.

You know, the NFL, I don't tell you, is not like that. And that's just, that's what I, I don't want it to turn into a business meeting on Saturday, which is what, which is what my fear is. because it's the pump in the circumstance and all the stuff that we love about it is I just don't want to take away from that. And every big move that's made feels like it might take away from that. You know, the ACC, that's going to change forever in the near future. It's already changed over the years, like slowly, subtly at times, like your dad officiated a lot of ball. Does he feel like he ever saw this coming? No, and what's interesting with dad is, is that he also,

was a small college president. So he was on the president's council, the big committee at the city of life for a long time as the D2 rep. And so he saw big pieces of it coming because he was sit in the room with, you know, father whomever from Notre Dame and, you know, Gordon Gee,

who's like from Ohio State at the time or whoever, just, but all these, all these, is the president sitting in the room and it became very obvious very quickly there were representatives of every level of Division 1, Division 2, Division 3, whatever, and no one really had much say except for a big surprise

the people who were in the room from the power of school schools from the power of five conferences. And so, yeah, he did see a piece of, I mean, he told me years ago, you know, realignment was going to end where we never thought. Where I thought it was going to end,

I wrote a beautiful story in ESPN magazine 10 years ago where I divided the map in the quarters. It was like, we're going to have four super conferences, and they're going to divide up the map cleanly, and this is what we're going to have. And I could reconcile with that. But, no, but then obviously USC and UCLA.

USC volleyball headed to, you know, do they have to play Maryland? Yeah, that's a long van ride. Oh, my God. Yeah. I just remember, I remember in school at Tennessee, our track team won a national championship when I was there, and them getting in a van. Yeah.

and getting on a bus to go wherever. And all I could think was, when you think U.S.C. and UCLA, you think about volleyball and you think about women's basketball, they're going to get on the bus and ride to Rutgers? Yeah. This is, this is going to be fun. That's wild, man. It's wild. And that's the big concern is, you know, I'm a Virginia fan, as you know, an alum.

And I'm sitting around here, and I'm feeling like we're a bubble school. If you were the guy waving the magic wand and you knew, like, whether you like it or not, you have to lord over, Ryan McGee has to lord over two super conferences and you have to recruit schools to join them. What is the profile of a bubble team and who are some teams that might be surprisingly on the bubble? Yeah, I grew up in Raleigh.

I grew up in NC State fam. Yeah. They don't want to hear it, but that's a bubble school. You know, the brand names matter. The brand names will always matter. I've always argued that. We would do these mock college football selection committee things. And you could feel the room even then,

even when we were just doing like, we take like 2011 and say, all right, who would our four teams have been? And you could fill the room automatically steering toward Ohio State, no matter what they did or steering toward, you know, Alabama, even though they weren't any good then because they're the brand names. Consciously that matters. And so listen, UNC is UNC. They just are.

You know, they sell more gear than anyone else. You go to Europe or some kid wearing a Jordan jersey on the corner and, you know, Milan right now. It's just, so the brand names are going to matter, and there's a lot of feelings you're going to get hurt. I always go back to the last big round of realignment, which was, what, 10 years ago? And that's when we had the whole thing about Oklahoma and Texas

are going to go to the Pack 12. Remember that? Yeah. And Bill Self, who either had just won an ask championship or had gone to his 10th Final Four or whatever, at one point, stomped down the hallway at Kansas, and went into the AED's office, Kansas the worst program in college football

consistently over the last 25 years and said, why has no one asked me what the hell I think about this? And that's what happens in these things is people suddenly realize what matters and what does it in those rooms. Basketball doesn't matter. It doesn't.

I mean, it's going to matter when the breakaway conferences, if we end up with two or four or whatever, when they start controlling the tournament, then it'll matter because that's the last big pool of money they can't get to. But yeah, but you talk about bubble schools, I mean, Virginia is a great example. When I talk to some people by Virginia, they're like, that's a must have if you're, if you're cherry picking from the ACC, which I think would surprise people. If you talk to some people, they're like, oh, damn, I forgot about it.

Yeah, yeah. But it's, but there's, you know, how much money do you have? What's your, what's your TV market? Is Virginia Tech safe? Virginia Tech's one of the schools going to get the feelings hurt because they have, they really are. I mean, they really are. And it's, they kind of fall into that NCC. You know, if you're the SEC, how many big land grant schools do you have?

And those two on paper would seem to fit the profile. And I didn't think they would fit in great. Yeah. But the reality is Clemsons, Clemson, Florida State is Florida State. Yeah. And no matter what they have or haven't done, Miami is Miami. Yeah. You know, those are the brand names that are going to matter.

And so, yeah, it's, it's, they're going to be way more people that are surprised to be bubble schools, then those are going to be surprised to be the ones of our wants. Well, count me in the latter group, because I think we're going to the SEC. And I'm not surprised. I expect to go to the SEC. All right, right. I say that jokingly for people at home. This conference realignment is going to mess up some.

It already has messed up some rivalry games, right? Bedlam's coming to an end. You know, I was sitting there last night watching YouTube videos of the border. war. Now it's the border whatever, but it's Kansas and it's Missouri and you haven't seen that game in years. I was watching it because when I was

in school, both teams were really good. I mean, rivalries like that going by the wayside, what are some that you miss that you think they should and could bring back and what are some that are endangered? I mean, we all miss Texas, Texas, San Am,

which is going to come back now. But I tell you what's going to be interesting to watch about that. And this is what I say about Bedlam. And it's what I say about, you know, these other games you talk about. You know, I always go back to, like, I love the, I love the super, super intense regional rivalries that maybe don't mean so much to the nation, but, you know, Pitt and Penn State didn't play forever. And, you know, Pitt and West Virginia didn't play forever. And Marshall in West Virginia, they don't ever play it. And these are games, if you ever been to those games and I have. It's the most intense area of

agreement. But what I am curious to see is when you take these games away, you know, these old dudes with the white hair and the, in the Technicolor jackets, these games still mean a lot to them. They don't mean the damn thing to the kids. Yeah. Right. Their grandkids have never seen Texas, Texas saying that that's a bookstore robbery. That's what that is. And when they sit down, when granddad says, well, I want to show you guys why I miss, you know, Texas, Texas, or 10 years from now.

This is why I miss Bedlam. And the videos on YouTube, and it's like standard definition, you know, from 1992, and it's in a box and not letterbox. These kids are like, well, what am I? You must be showing newsreels from World War II, right?

Yeah, the halftime set on the border war last night was pretty archaic. Yeah, yeah. But if you grew up in that generation, it's awesome. It's cool. But if you didn't, and you're a kid that's never seen it before. So that's the part I'm really curious to see. Like everyone thinks the Rose Bowl can't possibly not mean a lot, right?

Hell's it going to mean now? We're going to get USC Michigan regular season. And so whatever the Rose Bowl is going forward, it's not going to be what it was. And so that's the part I think they take for granted. And going back to my NASCAR analogy. they think that people are always going to care about that. I don't think that's true. I really don't.

I mean, I just, I think you're going to have to reteach. They don't play Texas, Texas anymore than a decade. You've got to reteach a generation that this game is the most important game on the schedule, and they haven't played it in forever. And it's, you know, so like, the conference scheduling model, that's all changing across the board, right? Divisions are going to go away and all that stuff. And they're trying to determine, like, in the SEC, what they should do.

They keep talking about, well, the Alabama-Tennessee game to matter because, you know, Tennessee, I won that game in 12, 13 years, whatever it is. I'm like, yeah, hell, yeah, it does. It still matters. Like, when Alabama wins that game, they still plow cigars and smoke them. So don't be a prisoner of the moment and enacts these things. But that's a really long way of saying, you know, BYU, Utah. Yeah.

You got to go to that thing. They hate each other. It's unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it. Like, of all the game, I've been in Iron Bowls. I've never seen a crowd that pissed off at each other. And Bronco walking off the field, screaming at fans and all that stuff,

it's unbelievable. And it went away for a little while. And then they played a bowl game, and it was like the most vicious bowl game ever. So, yeah, it's just, again, those are the things that I think they take for granted that college football fans. Oh, they'll never go away. Yeah, they will.

They totally will. Because you commit to them that the game doesn't matter. But like, James Franklin was so stunned. when that Pitt Penn State game was such a huge deal and they haven't played it in forever. And when they lost, he couldn't believe, you know, the reaction that happened. But it's because he didn't know. And so, yeah, that's a really long way of saying,

don't screw with it, but they're totally going to screw with it. They're going to screw with it. Okay. So speaking of rivalries, this year, I feel like there's not going to be a more heated, tense, on a football field than Jimbo and Nick when Texas A&M and Bama play. Am I right?

Like, is this the most, I can't remember a more contentious, long-awaited matchup of two very good teams that are going to matter in December than these two teams. Looking at it right now, am I wrong? No, and all you need to know about that game is, is that, so, you know, we do Marty McGee

on SEC Network on Saturday mornings, and we go on a road. Like, you know, we do our show and then SEC Nation and we're part of that too with Laura Rutledge and T-bonas guys. And we don't determine where we're going until the Sunday before we go there. So we wait for all the games to happen. And then there's a conference call with Game Day. Where are you guys going to go? We're going to go to someone.

So, okay, well, then we're going to go. So we never determine that more than six days out. Same where Game Day. Game Day doesn't decide where they're going. They'll have a short list of three or four potential places and then wait and see what happens with the games. When all that happened with, when Jimbo had his press conference, we received a group email, text, whatever, maybe five minutes after Jimbo left the podium that said,

hey, heads up, going and write this game down in Sharpie, game day and SEC Nation are both going there. Marty McGee, all will be there. So that's all you need to know about that deal. Yeah. Yeah, it's, I tell we, you know, they just ran our, we just had these Marty McGee talking season deals where we interview all the coaches from the SEC.

They just ran this past week on SEC network. And the greatest moment in those shows was when Jimbo sat down. Nick Saban kind of stepped around it, but then explained, you know, I wasn't really targeting Jimbo and, you know, it was talking about a larger problem in college football and all that stuff. And the bus just happened to back up over him. Exactly, three or four times. So Jimbo and Dion.

Let's run Dion over too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, by the way, yeah. Let's run over the HBCU. Yeah, let's do that. That'll go over well. Yeah. But Jimbo was immediately was like I was pissed and pissed and pissed and pissed.

He kept using the press. And Marty finally said, well, what was it that made you so mad? And Jimbo's response was he said, there was one word. There was one word that just made me just so angry. And we're like, well, you know, what was the word? And Jimbo said, bought. Once he used the word, bought, like we bought this team. And so Jimbo went from being very diplomatic and we've talked.

and it's over and all that stuff that, you know, after talking about it for five minutes with us, you know, this vein was sticking down the side of his neck and he was, you know, he's kind of had his hand, kind of gripping the cherry sitting in. So, yeah, it's going to be, I almost wish the game was in college station this year like it was last year. Yeah. Because that crowd is completely unreasonable when it comes to, when it comes to emotions. The Alabama crowd is, they're wild and it'll be super intense, but they're also very game-focused. always say it's kind of like going to like a Cardinals baseball game.

Okay. They will, they know to cheer a solid third and two conversion. You know what I mean? Like they're, they're, they're football smart. They're organized.

Yeah, I'm not saying, yeah, I'm not saying that once the game starts, I feel like the Alabama crowd will be more focused on the game. The A&M crowd would still be, you know, they'd still be,

burning stuff in epigy in the park. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, like I see all those big fires. I'm like, that seems like an intense place to play. Yeah,

it's intense. And you know what's crazy about A&M? I went there. last year for the first time of forever for a game. I had been there for working on feature stories or whatever. We were there last year. It was a big game. But I remember

like like the last time the A&M won a national championship, I looked this up. Last time they won a national championship, the number one movie at the box office was going with the win. That crazy? Yeah, that's been a while. Last time I went to conflict. You like the cast of that. I love all the cast of that movie. All of them

rest of peace. Yeah. But But the last time I won a conference championship, like R.C. Slocom was the coach. I mean, it's been a minute. That's crazy. And so they have everything except for, you know, except for rings and, you know, trophy. So it's, but that's why I say they are their expectation levels off the chart. Well, they have Dan Campbell, too. So, yeah.

Yeah, they really do have it all. And like the 12th man, the 12th man never played. I never understood that. I had to run a story last year. He just stood there. And then once you know the story and you see the statue and he's standing there holding his gear, you realize it's like, you know, I mean, I, I, did the Seahawks fan steal that from Texas A&M? Yeah, and it was a whole mess.

It was lawsuits and the whole thing. But yeah, ultimately Steve Ball was like, whatever, I have so much money. So much money. We can take your shit. But yeah, but the 12 men, I mean, I can already feel my Twitter timeline coming in from college. I was stationed right now. But once you know the story, you realize, I mean, the deal is he's at the ready, and the crowd is at the ready, and they're on standby.

But he never played. Like, he's a codmo. He never checked it. I always, growing up, I thought he came in and saved the game. No, there's not. At least checked in like Rudy, right, for a couple plays. Dude stood there and held his gear. Isn't that the place where the guy rings the bell?

He rings the bell? Yeah, yeah. It looked at the funny video where he's ringing the bell and he's ringing the bell. And he's like, ah. The core cadets. Yeah, but it's a phenomenal place. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's on my bucket list.

All right, so the Miles Brennan timeline's crazy. This is, of course, for people at home. The poor bastard that played at LSU for five years, endured injuries, general college football, you know, wear and tear, and then enters the transfer portal in January. Kelly says, no, no, no, you should stay. There's a future for you here. You don't have much time left.

He got engaged on the field. total pump fake because Jaden Daniels comes in and wins the job he retires from football and keeps his raising Cain's money. Is he a hero? What's the noun that you would describe this kid? Because I don't fault

him for what he did. Yeah, I like him a lot. And we've all been waiting on him to be the guy. Yeah. And I don't cover recruiting. I'm not super comfortable covering recruiting, but I have friends that cover for a living and do a phenomenal job. and for someone to be on my radar as a high school junior,

he's got to be really, really, really good, like Jadavian Clowny good. And Miles Brennan was one of those guys. Like I've been hearing about him forever and like from legit people, not just, you know, not just dad sending me email. And so he, but yeah, I think he's a hero. And I think it's also important that the precedent is set that you get to keep your NIL money no matter what, right? if you transfer, fine.

I was having this conversation yesterday with Rod Gilmore, who's, I love that man so much, one of the smartest people you'll ever meet in your life. And also, oh, by the way, a Stanford law grad. And so understands NIL, one of the great players in the history of college football, understands NIL on a level that most don't. And we were talking about that. And he said it's important for everyone and understand.

And I think it's important for to always be like this. You get to keep that money. You did your deal. Whether you play or not, you know, you cannot put performance clause. You know, in an NIL contract. You sign the deal, you sign the deal. It is what it is.

It is what it is. And this is going to be a precedent. I mean, like one way or another, I wonder if there are some people that, especially with quarterbacks because of the instability there. There's only one that can play. The transfer portal is wide open. As you talked about, it's like free agency. And I don't blame the kids, right?

You want to get your opportunity. But for these people cutting these checks, they're looking at this maybe and saying, well, this is Exhibit A or why you got to be careful. And I think some of the pitfalls of NIL are that you're going to have people saying, like, in general, not just a Miles Brennan situation, but, hey, we expected this kid to play a lot. And he's sitting on the sideline. So I do think it's going to be interesting to see the way people, I don't know, take instruction from this situation. Well, and when it's a corporation, like, have y'all seen this thing with the kid, the coldest? The coldest.

Who's the man? At Nebraska. Let me ask you this real before that. DeColette's Crawford, Bumper Pool. What's the best name in college football this year? Well, I mean, I was not aware of DeColdest, but he goes to the top of the power rankings.

Because that right there is exactly what NIL is supposed to be. That is exactly. Well, like, that's the barbecue joining Fayette doing the deal with the offensive line at Arkansas, right? That's what that deal is supposed to be. That's acting chops, Ryan. Yeah, oh, absolutely. But Kool-Aid down in Alabama is pretty good.

And I signed a deal with Kool-Aid, which was great. But the thing is, that's why I try to explain people. You know, you're raining Heisman trophy winner. He'd go pull down a couple of million. And that's fine. But that list is very short. The overwhelming majority of the deals, I would bet the coldest probably got, you know, he probably got, he probably got 10 grand or something, right?

And so, or, you know, you got the guys that, you know, if you go down to the local, you know, hot dog place and put it on Instagram, you're going to get $2,000. That's what most of these things are, right? And so that's cool. But it's, but when it's corporations or it's a hot dog joint or whatever, I don't worry about those. What I worry about is, you know, now we're having basically these super packed things. I hate politics. God, I hate it so much. And that's what it starts to, right?

Oh, no, no, we're all on the same team, but it feels the same way, right? When you have these groups that are taking money, they would have donated to the Afflare Department. And now they're going to go get a quarterback. And now it's Buddy Garrity, right? It's the guy from Friday Night Lights, you're legally giving him a reason to walk into the football coach's office and say you have to play Miles Brennan or whoever because I my name is on the practice facility and I'm giving him my super pack or whatever we're calling is giving him a quarter of a

million dollars you have to play him this week that's going to get messy yeah that's the part I worry and it's legal it's totally legal so that that's the part of it that that I worry about is yeah it's all it's all happy the guy from blue chips you're you're giving that guy the actual power Right, yeah, yeah. That's a great movie. Friday Night Lights, are you talking to show? Yeah, buddy Garrity was the only guy that was in both, right? It was the old skeezy, gray-headed guy.

He was in the movie and was always just wearing Billy Bob Thornton out. Yes, okay, I remember the guy from the movie. I've never seen the show, not once. Yeah, so he, but he's, and the show is great. But he's the only one that, like, he's the only guy that was like, you know, okay, this is, this was the same guy from both, the same actor played him. And the dude was perfect. Perfect.

There was just, there was a moment, there was a moment in time where every, you know, 23 year old girl had an emoji and clear eyes, full hearts can't lose in their bio on Instagram. I can't do it. And I was like, fuck this show, dude. No, I've seen too much football. That's me and Harry Potter. Yeah.

Okay. So, so you all know me. I mean, I got a bubble belt helmet back here and I got, I got my caper. I'm all in on Marvel Star Wars. I can't do it with Harry Potter. And I think I just got sick of, if my daughter had been just a little bit older, she would have caught that wave

and we would have had a whatever. But, you know, two weeks ago, Marty McGee, we hosted the Ocho on ESPN too. That's such an honor, too. It was amazing.

But they were playing on one of the fields, Quidditch, which is, I guess is, wouldn't they ride the brooms and it's spades? I have no idea what it is. Reed,

you know what it is. I mean, yeah, it's from Harry Potter. Are you just right around to the brooms? You're going to find the snitch. It's soccer with brooms. But they got a cease and desist, like from J.K. Rowling,

apparently is a fantastic. She's not popular. She's not popular. She's not popular. But it might not have been for her, but they got a cease and desist from someone right before we're televising this saying, you can't call it quit it. So they came up with another name called like Quarad Ball or something. But they wisely said that maybe I shouldn't be talking about that on the air because

they knew it was no way I could resist making fun of the Wizards. So they were like, yeah, and making fun of her. So yeah, so they should, but I'm not, the point is I resist Harry Potter. I resist, uh, what's the, um, my wife was obsessed with the hunger games. If it gets too popular, um,

I resist remember the Titans. I resist Friday Night Lights. I just don't like football shows and movies. You end up comparing them too much to what you know. Yeah. Well, you know, and you know more than most. Yeah, you're jaded. You're jaded.

It's fucked up. Like, I don't even like, you know, I watch, yeah. Yeah, could you do like water boy, though? Like if it's stupid. I like water boy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So rounding out the SEC, and this is the, this is the heater here. John Calapari calling Kentucky a basketball school. Uh-oh.

Speaking the truth out loud. Even though I get it, Stoops has got a point. Like, they've been really good. And I think Kentucky deserves a lot of credit for what they've done with that program. And I like the guys that they have in the pros. Like, I really do. They've done a good job. But is Calipari lying?

And why is that not okay to say? I feel like if you were at a football media day and you called, I don't know, Bama football school, nobody cares. The basketball team has been quietly very respectable over the years. It's the truth, isn't it? Is there drama there? Is there a fence that needs to be mended? Well, it's funny because all that happens, right?

And I know, I know Stoops better than I know. Cal. Marty knows Cal really well because he does college basketball sideline and stuff. Yeah.

But when I saw what Cal said and then I saw what Stoops replied with on Twitter, Stoops is sneaky funny. Like he's a funny dude.

He's way funnier than his brother Bob. So people don't know when he's being funny. Right. And so when he tweeted what he tweeted, my reaction was

oh, that's pretty you know, he's getting his jab in whatever. But then, you know, two days later, Mitch Barnhart, the AD at Kentucky's like coming off the beach from vacation

and basically holds a press conference and say, you two shut the hell up. So yeah, that's when I realized, oh, no, no. And as soon as I saw Mitch as facts, like, oh, no, this is, this is for real. Serious shit. Right. But I believe, and I'm, I really believe it's,

what they've done in Kentucky over the last 10 years is one of the most amazing things I've seen in college football. That's awesome. Because I grew up in that generation where, again, I went to Tennessee. When I was in school, we were in the middle of like a 15-year winning streak against those guys. And it went on forever. And so for him to take that program, which was always an afterthought,

going back to Bear Bryant leaving because he couldn't deal with Adolf Rupp, getting all the attention and getting all the money and having all that's how deep it goes back. All that being said, what we talked about Chapel Hill earlier, if Mack Brown wins 10 games a year for the next five years and goes to the college ball. It's still a basketball school. It just is.

You know, the schools, if Ohio State got on a run right now, and they've been really good at basketball at times, and if they got a run right now, one to five straight final fours, it's a football school. It just is. It's just that stuff.

But what Stoops has done is incredible. And all he does now is wins 10 games a year and wins a bowl game, and I think they'll be, that probably, that might be the third best. team, fourth best team in the conference, period. And to do that is just, but they're also, you go up there now, there's construction cranes

all the time. They're building, they've renovated what was a, what was an equated old stadium. They get a new practice facility. Now they're getting another one. And Coach Cowell's not wrong when he says we're a basketball school and their basketball facilities aren't great. Rupp's great. But when I started going back to cover basketball games a few years ago, I knew exactly where I was going because it hadn't changed in 20 years. So he's not wrong but uh you said some things you shouldn't say out loud but like when i really thought about it initially i was like hey that's fucked up because i really like kentucky's football program and i like stoops but then i was thinking about it with my thinking hat and i was like well damn like any other

school a football coach could say that and nobody blinks the basketball coach at bama's not going to be like what the fuck nick no i know it's the them's the rules man like you know it is what it is. What's it like when you go to a Kentucky game? Is it an SEC atmosphere? Is it kind of like a mountaineer football game kind of out? Is it more like like an old Big East kind of like, I don't know, like what is that vibe? It's, it's funny that you ask that because it's changed so dramatically. It used to be like going, it used to be an underrated crowd, but it was never like an intimidating crowd. Back then it was the Commonwealth Stadium. So like I, you know, my point of reference when I was a student at Tennessee was, we went up there a couple

times, you know, when Tennessee was on the road. And this is when Tennessee was Tennessee, like in the 90s. And Kentucky was Kentucky in the 90s. And so the crowd, it was like, it's like if you go to a Red Sox Royals game in Kansas City, the crowd's half Red Sox fans because they can't get tickets to Fenway. So they, you know, they go down there. That's what it was like. Half stands would be Tennessee fans because they're border states. But the atmosphere now, it's crazy. It's super loud. You know, when they finally be Florida for the first time or whatever at home, that was as loud of football stadium as I, as I've been in that wasn't, you know, LSU Death Valley, right?

That's cool. And I just think there's the release because they love football up there. And now they finally have something to cheer about. Tennessee basketball flips out of that. Tennessee basketball has been pretty good. Yeah, they have. They're fun too. They're big and physical.

And their atmosphere now, Thomas and Bowling used to be like a library. And now it's a great place to watch a basketball game. So, yeah, I mean, I say this all the time, right there where you guys are. One of the most underrated atmospheres in college football, when they're good, is right there in Charlottesville. And when they're good, dude, it's, it's loud. I've been there for some big football games, and it was really loud. Now, you know, unfortunately, that's not how it is all the time up there.

But when they're good, man, Lane can get loud. And I think it's because people are excited, damn, we're good, you know. I love football. We're finally good. And I think that's how it is in Kentucky right now. Yeah, I'd love to see. You've got to take me to Knoxville one day. I do want to see. I've always wanted to go to that stadium. So one day, I'm going to pop the Tennessee Volunteers Football Game Cherry with Ryan one day. All right. So I'm going to do some rapid fire stuff here. Bama, Texas week two. We come away thinking blank. We come away thinking that Texas is not back. That's the, you like, this is the like sobering measuring stick. All this.

This hope gets crushed. Nice and early, too. You don't get to implode in the game between Texas and you don't get to implode in the second half. There's no hope build up. You just lose it all week two. So last year, week one,

Mani Diaz is my boy. Mani and I have been friends forever. We started ESPN together as production assistance. And that Miami team was three plays away from Mani still having his job last year after that year. But they went into last year with a lot of unreasonable hype. and within five minutes of that opening game with Alabama, that game was over. And it's just, it's, it's unfair.

It's the measuring stick. And so, yeah, it's, I have no doubt that Texas, the Texas glacier is moving, but, but it ain't, it ain't ready for the crimson side. Hey, man. And it's got to hang over your head, like a dark cloud all summer when you have BAM on the schedule early out of conference. Like, yeah, you got to act excited. You got to tell your players, like, this is an opportunity.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's an opportunity to just half the team's going to be on IR. This is it. Game day, I probably be there. I mean, it's going to be, it's going to be off the show. Yeah, it's going to be. The buildup will be amazing, and then the lit down will be even more amazing.

Oh, you fans, you meet one in a bar right now. I think when Venables was on the plane and he was like, boomer and all that stuff, I was like, yeah, this is going to work 100%. But the Gundy stuff, the fact that maybe they weren't in the conference championship last year, let alone want it. Like there's a lot of question marks there. How do you feel if you're, how are you, I'm a drunk OU fan.

How am I supposed to feel, Ryan McGee? You're supposed to feel like you probably should not watch USC football this year because all the guys that you thought were going to be lighting it up for you could potentially be, whether they're good or not, I don't know. They're definitely going to be wearing Trojan helmets. Yeah, yeah. I love Brent, man, but I tell you,

the learning curve, your first year as a head football coach. I call it a Richie Pettibone rule. You remember Richie Pettibone was like one of the great coordinators in the history of the NFL. Worked under Coach Gibbs forever in Washington. Coach Gibbs decides to go, you know, go racing full time.

And Richie Pettibone becomes head coach. He's one of the worst head coach I've ever seen. The learning curve is steep. I'm not saying Brent Minow was going to be Rich Pettibon. I'm just saying. No, but it's, there are two different jobs. It's like playing a different position. It's like putting,

just because you're a pro bowl. or one position doesn't mean you can stick you at a different one and it's going to work out right away. It's a different job description. You spend all your time doing stuff to have nothing to do football. Mack Brown always tells me the story when he's been at Texas and he's walking out to the practice field and a helicopter landed. Coach, you got to get in a helicopter. What are you talking about we're going to practice? We know the governor's wife's birthday is today and it's in your contract. You have to make an appearance at the governor's wife's birthday party. And he's like, shit, I'm getting ready for Oklahoma State.

You know, we got a game Saturday. But that's the part, or the quarterback coming in and, you know, he's flunk of chemistry or his girlfriend just dumped him. At least they picked him up in a helicopter. It could be a town car. In Charlottesville, they'd probably send an SUV. All right. So, all right, yeah, Mac, I don't care.

All right. The point is, it's a harder job than you think it's going to be. Yes, it is hard. It is fucking hard. Point made. I mean, and the recruiting is insane. And now you're re-recruing. So yeah, Virginia, if I'm a Virginia fan, do I hope that Clemson regains dominance? Help me make sense of this because I'm kind of like I feel like Clemson could be not as good as people think. And like maybe that doesn't get back to where it was. And I'm thinking, hey, maybe that's kind of fucking good for the ACC, but maybe it's not. Because maybe we don't want to have a, you know, like if there's no relevant team in the ACC is that bad for Virginia or do we want Clemson to tank?

No, it's bad for everyone right now. You need a team to be in the playoff conversation. I always go back to, back when 10 years ago, when everyone was convinced that the Big East was going to raid the ACC and the ACC was going to die. And John Swofford at the time, I love John Swofford, the commissioner of the ACC. I remember he was at the podium,

and the great Colton Tudor of the Raleigh News Reserve was like, you know, when is the Big East going to swallow up to ACC? And he goes, listen. And ACC had a bad year. And he goes, if we win our rivalry games, Thanksgiving weekend, and we win bowl games, no one is asking me these questions. But the perception is that the conference is dying because we haven't had a title of a tender. And that year, Florida State and James Winston went to Pasadena and one-natch championship. And so, and the perception changes, is Clemson has to be relevant right now.

It's important for the conference. But I think, I'm not sold on Clemson. I'm not. I mean, either. I'm not at all. I just, you know, Dabo's a great CEO. He's good at the other stuff we're talking about. I don't know if he's a great football coach.

And, you know, he's as good as his staff. And now he kept that staff together for a long time. And now you got his boy, Tony's in Charlottesville. Scott's down in South Florida. Those are the offensive coordinators. Venables has gone now. So this is going to be a super, super, super critical year for whatever Clemson is going to be for the next decade.

Not to mention. And where do you rank the quarterback in the ACC? Right, right. Showed us nothing. There's a lot of really good quarterbacks in the ACC. Maybe the best is in Charlottesville. Are there any non-Clemson teams in the playoff? That's my last ACC question to wrap up this great conference that is the ACC.

I mean, the best candidate, I'm not buying the Miami hype yet. You know, I feel like some of Miami to do about Texas. Everybody keeps telling me they're back. Well, give me a year that tells me that they actually are. But, I mean, quarterback down in Rale is really, really, really good. That's what I'm saying. He's really, really good. But they need for things to happen.

Stuff's got to fall right for them. You know, we still have a 14th playoff. And the reality is, it's like, like Wake Forest. If Wake Forest was 100% healthy and they had their quarterback, I think they have a chance to win the ACC. I don't know that the committee would give them a fair shake because they're Wake Forest. That's not fair, but that's just how to win.

how it is and state's kind of in between um but that being said again grew up in raleigh grew up a wolf pack fan i'm smart enough to know that uh uh nc state is still nc state ish and they'll uh it is bigger than dave doran and it's bigger than the quarterback they'll figure out some way to not i think they're going to be pretty good and i and i think if they really win enough games they'll slide in there but that's just me you know with my they could and i would love it and and we saw it last year right and i got overshadowed because Georgia and Clemson still ended up,

or Jordan and Alabama was still into the championship championship. But last year was awesome because so much went on. And so I think past the top three, you go past Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State. You can give me an argument

for every team in the top 25 that they could win 10 games or they can win six games. And so that's why I love it. And that's why, you know, we'll see. Who wins the Heisman and give me a surprise playoff team and then we're all done here.

Will Anderson is the best player in college football. Stanford, Steve, Stanford Steve's parking the car in the same garage as you, man. You and Steve, great minds. And there's always, for a defensive player to win it, only happen once, for a defensive player to win it,

that hype has to start now. And it's hard, I mean, listen, meanwhile, the guy crossed the line from him and practice every day is the defending Heisman trophy win. but Archie Griffin is still the only back-to-back guy. I was with Tebow yesterday and you know

if Tebow can't went back-to-back houses I don't have anybody can't so it's going to be really really difficult so yeah Will Anderson might be the guy Will retweet this video

The hype starts now This is how the hype starts You retweet Greenlight Okay, so give me a surprise Playoff team, Roy Utah Ooh Yep, we're all

Pack 12's dying right And all that stuff The reality is USC never been in the playoff. UCLA has never even considered being close to being in the playoff. And Utah has a chance to be really good. And I love me so Kyle Whittingham. Me too, dude. I want to play for that guy.

I just want to run out to hang out with Kyle Whittingham, dude. I always want to see the bunkhouse stampede, right? The battle royal of college football coaches. And what I always say is you give me wit and pass. Fitzgerald and you can have the everyone else. Pat Fitzgerald, okay. That dude was a, you talk about, next time you're on YouTube,

you and Captain Morgan on YouTube at 2 o'clock in the morning, go to watch some Pat Fitzgerald back in the day. It's not Captain Morgan. It's either Jack Hare or Pineapple Cush. Okay. Yeah, it's me, it was me and Sailor Jerry last night. Sailor Jerry, good. Yeah, you got to, you got to de-escalate into the week, Ray.

Hey, Ryan McGee, one of the best guests we could ever have on here and it's a perfect time, man, college football firing up soon. Right, we'll catch you soon. Appreciate you. Hey, y'all the best. Thanks. Thanks, dude. Wish your team could find some next level talent.

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Speedo game. Bulge game. You went on good morning football. What's going on with you? By the way, by all accounts, you did you really cleaned up on good morning football. You looked,

you looked great, you sounded great. I haven't seen the outfit. What did you wear? So I went right from Montauk and then I was on my way into JFK and was like fuck it i'm gonna cancel my flight and i went into the city so i had no clean clothes because i want to visit two my really good friends in there so i just bought new clothes

humble brag has friends uh but yeah i wore a little jean jacket it's fun but yeah good morning football was fun man jami errol went to uh minnetaka where i'm from so well if i could if i could have guessed anything by the way she's great the whole crew is great shout out to shregor friend of the program, but like I would have guess you would have had a jean jacket on. If I could have guessed like what's he going to be wearing on his person, you know, the most likely would be jean jacket. What color was the jean jacket? Uh, not dark. You're not a dark gene guy. It was white, Chris. Yeah, okay. It was if she's the opposite. I know your color palette. And the blue shirt underneath was, that was a good combo. You had a white jean jacket on? Can we

can you pull this up? This is the new me. A little cream. Is that scotch and soda? No, it's theory, baby. Okay. I've never fit into that shit until now. Dangerously close to something that I wear on the regular. You know who you kind of look like?

Leav Schreiber. Is this a bit? Are you fucking with me? No, I was looking at you. Yeah, Ray Donovan. Yeah, if Ray Donovan had, yeah, he's more Nordic and. Oh. I mean, dude, I'll take it.

Totally not, huh? No. I mean, knowing Bo, I was like, where is that coming from? But this picture, certainly. In that picture? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

You favor Liv Schreiber, the, the narrator of Hard Knocks. Which we'll talk about soon. Which we'll talk about soon. He's the narrator of Hard Knocks? Yeah. Yeah, he is. You don't even realize. You know he does a good, that's, Bo.

I wish it was a segue. Hey. So anyways, I got a question for Reed, and then I got a question for Bo. we both saw Green Sky and the Wood Brothers last night. How did you enjoy it? Absolutely wonderful. I figured, because we were talking about this,

when we were at Floyd Fest a couple weeks ago, what was the band you've seen the most? And I totally forgot to mention Green Sky and Wood Brothers in the conversation. Now I've seen them both four times. And never together, never at the same show. Oh, that was cool. But they were,

they are wonderful. The Wood brothers played Ophelia. They covered Ophelia. That was great. Yeah, that's your, yeah, that's your jam. Yeah, the band, right? The band. And then Green Sky and Oliver Wood played.

That's the way the world goes around, which is absolutely wonderful. I love John Prine. So, yeah, the show is good. My friend Taylor doesn't like jam bands as much. And the last song they played, monuments, he was like, okay, last song, I'm going to guess 27 minutes. It lasted 23. Oh, fuck, dude.

But it was worth it. I loved every minute of it. The lights were flashing. They were great. There were times where people were just tranced out. Yeah. You know, they just, they were riffing a lot. And it was fun, man.

And I know Reed was up there having a good time. Because Reed, when I say you had a shirt that was just dripping sex appeal on, like, this shirt was a fucking, this shirt was incredible. I don't even know how to describe it. Where did you find that shirt? So shout out to Corey Byrne. He, roommate from college. He went to Ecuador and picked it up there. He got, his friend got married in Ecuador.

he picked it up and got a he got I actually saw his dad there last night and his dad was like I almost wore the shirt that Corey got me from Ecuador I might go down there just for the shirt you should yeah that shirt's incredible yeah get bow one too so my question for beau before we move on to the NFL does the big 10 things seem weird do you yeah kind of yeah I kind of like it too like it's like I don't know like let's wait till the bar lights come out and we'll really see how how it looks yeah I I think it's going to look beautiful, but you being a, you know, a red-blooded big 10 guy. On one hand, yeah, because like, here's the thing, man.

College sports these days is fucked. Like, it's not what it used to be. No, it's not. No, it's not. Like, it's basically free agency. It's NIL. Imagine you're a really good running back from like a shitty D1A school. You're basically getting recruited in free agency.

Yep. So I think the days of like the, I'm trying to think the right way to say. the days of like the pure you know big 10 SEC like the shit's gonna add it's not like that anymore and I think we kind of got to just accept it and just roll it the punches we always do though in sports we always think I don't know how we're gonna look at things the same or I don't know how I'm gonna be able to look at the Las Vegas Raiders or I don't know how it's gonna make sense to have you know Oklahoma join this conference or you know USCJ it just for the Washington commanders you know Like you just kind of, dude, you just,

later, you just fucking go with it and you figure it out. I don't know. You figure it out. Okay. Seriously, I can't figure out the Deshawn Watson thing. I can't even figure out how to talk about it. We've talked about it. You know,

I've already kind of given you my two cents on what he's done or hasn't done or what he should do. You know, it talked about a few weeks back, all the losers in this situation, like everybody loses, which is why, you know,

It was more about the action of appealing and doing something more for the NFL and Roger Goodell. I mean, it was apparent they weren't satisfied with with what Judge Robinson had to say. Well, not with what she had to say, but more, you know, the punishment that went with what she had to say. It just didn't seem to add up. So Goodell put his nuts on the line.

You thought maybe there was a small chance. It could get it, you know, the appeal could, you could strike out and it could go down nothing. So it was a little bit risky, I guess. There's a fine, although he's still going to make a shit ton of money. this year. The whole thing's fucked up. And I hate the usage of the word situation. That seems to be the euphemism that's just flying around today out of Cleveland. Yeah, the whole thing just is kind of awkward. Maybe this is one of those, this is a nefarious version of what we

were just talking about. I don't know how we're ever going to watch a game and it's just not going to be in the front of my head what, you know, Sean was alleged to have done over the past couple years. But maybe in three years we all just, we're just numb and we just kind of watch football, which seems to be what we always do, right? Right. And you said awkward. Awkward. Awkward was very accurate. I mean, just look at the press conference they had with Deshaun Watson was up there and Jimmy, uh, Jimmy Haslam and his wife were up there. And it was a very awkward scene. Uh, Deshawn said, you know, earlier in the, earlier in the week, he, he apologized, but then he walked back

his apology, which he had done three or four times already. So just awkward is accurate. Yeah, in every way. Doesn't add up. And, you know, he's going to have to live with it. Even if he keeps a lot of his money,

he's going to get to come back and presumably make a playoff push depending on, you know, where they're sitting in the AFC, although I think they might be out of it if I had to guess. And it's still going to follow him. Even after the suspension's over, you know, even if he signs another deal, I said like even if he goes to the Hall of Fame because he could become, he could be a Hall of Famer. That's how good he is. That will follow him to the podium. And nobody's putting him in jail. Nobody's kicking him out of the league. Talking about him is not persecuting him. Chanting you sick fuck is not persecuting him. These are the breaks, dude. If you produce enough smoke in a situation like this, people are going to think there's fire. Enough sex.

settlements, enough accounts, enough NDAs, just enough bullshit. So I'm over it. I'm going to try to watch the game, but, you know, it's hard. Might move on, might not. But here's the thing that we predicted that Houston could very well be the first game this guy, this guy play. It could have been a 12-game suspension. Instead of it was 11.

11 games, he'll be out the first 12 weeks. that means his first game back is against Houston. Why the number 11? Shocking. It's shocking. To line up with... Can I say something real quick? I think he's a piece of shit. So put that in there.

That's kind of how I feel about it. And that's as simple and succinct as we can make it. Listen, I feel bad for the Browns. I feel bad for not the Browns of organization because they made their bed and now they have to get under the covers or not get under the covers fully naked. But the Brown's players, dude, you know, it's like, it's just sucks.

Every time, you know how fake I'd feel to like dab that dude up? You know, like I just would feel fake. I would feel like I'm, unless maybe some of them think like he's innocent or something, which would be a very oversimplified synopsis of the way the world works. How hard you guys, how hard would it be to be in a huddle or, you know, he's trying to hype everybody up and be a leader that the quarterback is supposed to be. How hard is that to either go along with it or, you know, to watch your teammates. If I may, I think when you're on the field, you kind of don't really think as much about shit like that because you're so focused

on the task at hand, which is football, you know, but what really, when you, I mean, you think about it when you imagine, you know, going home and talking to her fiance, your girlfriend, your wife, about, you know, what you're doing with Sean at the facility or I don't know. I think it's just, it's hard to separate the two. and I think that's what everyone just tries to do with football players, right? It's like, how do you perform versus how are you as a person? We compartmentalize things very well. Yeah.

Right? So. Yeah, I mean, I just, I just think it's, it's kind of funny that we all expect the Browns to do the right thing. I mean, it's funny that we expect anybody to ever do the right thing. It just seems to be. It's like, I hate to be so cynical, but that's just the way the world seems to work. And the NFL didn't care about these issues until there was a video. They didn't care about domestic violence until there was a video.

The climate dictates, you know, how much they care. And that's the reality. They're following the money. If it's going to hurt their pockets, like they've got to do something about it. And maybe Roger cares. Maybe Roger really does care. I don't know. You know, fuck.

Come on. I mean, is it so far-fetched to think that even people that put money over almost anything, don't care, you know, that they care about sexual assault in these numbers? Browns made a big announcement about how they made a $1 million donation to, you know, a fund dedicated to help sexual assault victims. And that's just really funny to me because they made a far, far larger donation to the DeShan Watson foundation of his personal checking account. Right.

Yeah, that's the truth. And that was Deshaun't it? And that was Deshawni. I mean, it's true, though. Everything we're saying, it's just hard for these players, man. It's hard for the players. I feel bad for it. Obviously, you feel bad for women, like women fans in the NFL, female fans in the NFL,

that, you know, they want to watch the game. They want to love the game, but it's like, fuck, I don't watch this guy. It's like a, it's, it's like an insult, you know. So anyways, trying to move on, but we'll move on to Davis Mills. He's like, he's got a chance. This is going to feel like a heavyweight fight, man. this is going to feel like there's going to be a lot of buzz around that game. Is that game in Houston?

It's in Houston. Our savior. Davis Mills. He's my Bruce Willis and Armageddon. He's our only hope. Davis Mills. Please don't make me sit through like a welcome back party for Deshawn Watson. Go beat him, Davis.

My hero. Highest regular season game ratings of the season, you think? Oh. Man, that's a really good question. I'm not sure. No, that's week one, Russell against the Seahawks. Yeah. We're going to ride.

I don't know, Bill's Rams is going to be little too. So anyways, we'll try to move on to football, but that just, I mean, it's, yeah, it's, as the world turns, Reed, you know, that's just the way it is, man. This week, there was a lot of fighting going on the Patriots, Panthers practices. You guys were both former Patriots. How do you think Bill reacted to these kind of fight? one was Christian McCaffrey got tackled by Dietrich Wise

Wise hit him pretty hard and McCaffrey got to spike the ball on him and like five pinators right over it. Bell was like he might want him on our team one day. Well they were talking when they were walking out to practice today they were talking and laughing together and all the all the captions everyone's captions

like don't worry man I would come get you week five. Oh see yeah the jokes been made. Yeah, but it's true because Bill was probably like not the white running back. Beatrice. But yeah, no, like these two fucking teams, they really have a rivalry going on, man. They're like, you know that movie West Side Story? It's a little like that.

People flipping out switchblades and shit, tapping their toes, waiting for each other. You know that long hallway to get out to practice in New England? Panthers are just wait in there, dude. Lean in on the fence. Greas and the soches, bro, from the outside. We got the soches of the Patriots, the Panthers. They're the greasers, eh? Yes, dude.

Tony boy. Hey, can I say something, though, about the Patriots and the Panthers fight? I was reading a tweet yesterday. I think I sent it to you, Chris. But, like, Matthew Slater is involved in the fight. Says something. Yes. I know who's in the right.

Yes. Yeah, that's all I'm going to say. Yeah, Matthew Slater. He can do no wrong in my eyes. But, yeah, no, this fight is a little much. I mean, we saw somebody get slammed into the bleachers. teachers, which is... That was Big Wives.

Big Wives. He's a Virginia guy. You know, I hope somebody had his back. It's tough in there. It's a scrum. It's not like anybody gets a one-on-one. No. The helmet grabs. But there was a lot of fighting, too, and a lot of joint practices. I mean, the joint practices are stupid.

Like, I think I would rather play a game. A joint practice is basically, it's like a Wednesday practice times 15 intensity, with probably 30% more reps than a typical game. You play these dudes, you start to hate them. And it's camp. It's usually like second or third week of camp, so you're miserable. The hottest days, you're the sorrest. There's no end in sight.

And all of a sudden you're in a joint practice and they're telling you not to fight. And you're like, okay. Yeah, yeah. I asked Brent Selik about that, about if he hates people on the other team. William Hayes was on the Dolphins. And, you know, so there's these blocks. in football where the tight end will come across the formation, right?

And hit the defensive end. William Hayes was cutting the fucking tight ends for the Eagles. Which is ridiculous. Which is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It was ridiculous. And Brett was so mad. Walked over. Me and Bo were standing by the water cooler. He's like, hey, see long.

William Hayes, that's your boy right? I'm like, yeah, pretty cool. He's like, fuck that guy. But Seleck's the kind of guy we're like, you get so animated that like, however he feels about something, if he's telling you, like, he kind of feel that way too. Yes. I was like, yeah. Christmas was probably like, yeah, fuck that.

Fuck him. He is a handful. No, but yeah, the joint practices there, this is, this happens every year and coaches, you know, like, I get it. Bill doesn't want anybody fighting and they'll send people out of practice. He sent Alshan and Malcolm Butler out when we practice against the Bears one year. He really sends people the locker room. but you scheduled the open practice.

Okay? Like if Bill ran a play on tape every year, okay? And I rarely say things that are critical respectfully of Bill. But any coach that, you know, throws their arms up is like, what the fuck is going on here, guys? You have a whole cut up of this happening. You're calling the same play. You're expecting a different result.

These guys are going to fight. They're going to fight. Is there any, do you guys find any benefit practice-wise with these? I do. I do. I do because I mean, it's good work and it's nice to go against someone else but it's pretty much there's only one end to it. I mean, unless you're,

unless the, the rhythm and the, the practices are controlled in like a way. It's just, there's no other outcome in my mind. Yeah. I mean, I'd say like, let's say there are, you know, just for the sake of argument,

you know, 16 joint practices. There's going to be fights that would probably hateable. Yeah, dude. Like that's no other way to, that's just how it goes. Then 500. And let's put it down from a, from like an organizational standpoint, from like an administration standpoint where you have like one big day, you know, but if you're banging Pat, like these joint practices are, it's pretty much three days of very heavy work.

Like everyone's shit talking. You go against the same guys like we were saying earlier, like, it's in a period of camp where like you're kind of fucking done with it. You're done with all the bullshit. it. You just so like when someone pops off on you like it's pretty much odd. And so it's so a couple things too like you go back to your meeting room and if somebody in your team embarrasses you in practice by beating you or shoving you late or whatever, you know, that's that's a family problem. That's in-house. But when somebody from outside the league does something to you, it kind of

or outside your building does something to you, that's outside the building now. Like that account of what happened is outside the building. the other team knows what happened. When they see you on the field, they're going to be. I remember when that guy got punked at practice, that guy was getting whooped by this guy in one-on-ones or whatever, so it raises your intensity. And another thing is, at that point in camp,

you start to even sometimes build bad habits due to the fact that there's no variation in who you face. So like, if you're a two, you're going to go against a certain guy. If you're a one, you're going to go against this certain tackle. And so, you know, you kind of get in these rhythms with a single player, and it fucks your development up in camp. So it's nice to get a different look, somebody who's a puncher,

somebody who's going to hold that hand back in pass pro. So you get the idea. It's just, it's a chance to break the monotony, but it always sucks and it ends this way. So I'll say this. So usually like Patriots are not, I mean, I've had three,

two or three joining practices with the Patriots. And usually it's kind of surprising that that's, you know, a team that's, it says a little bit about what's going on behind the scenes. like there's probably some fucked up shit going on. Well, there's tensions right now. There's tensions in Carolina and there's tensions in New England.

You can feel a little bit of tension. I'm not saying it's internal. I'm just saying external pressure, dude. This year is going to be a little bit different for them. Roeback active wear. Best way to describe Roebuck is best fit, best feel. When it comes to quality, Roeback just blows it out of the park every time.

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Hard knocks. Yeah. Okay. You're not always the biggest fan? I have a take on hard knocks. I don't know if this is because, you know, played football and kind of you see behind the, peek behind the curtain and like, we know what it's about.

But it's the same fucking show every year, man. It's the same. It's always the same. And so it's fun to get to know these guys like, you know, Dan Campbell seems like a fucking legend. Like, I've never met him. so that's awesome but like we're gonna get him on the show

Beau I would love that but not like do Staley to see him on there like that's a guy that was in Philly with us like complete legend but it's it's always the same shit and then I get so annoyed with like there are little clips that they do

with guys where you know the person in the clip knows that the camera's on them and it's like okay like all right dude like just shut the fuck up like okay we get it you got your clip we can show it to your family

and I'm not saying and I'm not saying and I totally agree with you. I'm not saying, and in fact, that's what makes it awkward for me. Like, I would never want to be on hard knocks. Not because it's a pain in the ass

to have camera people around. It's just knowing that everybody's performing. And, you know, like that that's sinking feeling that maybe your position coach is going to try you more because it's on camera.

And then I might look like an absolute fucking hot head or something like that. Like the linebacker coach. How many times have you gotten that speech in camp? We're like, this is a rookie. No. First round pick.

Not something. But, but, you look the best on them. the field to be fair to be fair i'm not saying that that's a no yeah that wasn't a hard knox moment because that shit actually happens that happens all the time that exact conversation happens all the time and i thought it was so funny bro on a script every year so it's because of it's it's because of our guy malcolm luchiano rodriguez and that guy's just you know six rounder

from from still water he's just dominating from from show one to show two his stock is still high it's still rising in that building. You fucking smacks some dude, though, on that. It was like a counter. So I don't know. I can't remember. Like, he smacks him on. Came downhill, dude.

But he's in that meeting room and all these linebackers. You know the guy that does the coach video on Twitter? Brandon Clinton, and they just keep getting better and better. They really are. And they're very accurate. The guy obviously played football. He really gets it down, dude. But this guy needs to make one.

of this speech, you know, this Malcolm Rodriguez, because that linebacker coach, who we've talked about on this show, he goes, there's a coach in this building. He's been here five years and says he's never seen a linebacker make that play. Do you know how many linebackers that is, dude? That's what, yeah. And also, you could probably triangulate who that coach is because five years is like kind of an odd number of years. He should definitely do one of that linebacker room conversation. And Rodriguez the whole time is just getting like blown and he's trying not to smile.

Right? I wish. Yeah. You try not to look satisfied. And show the rest of the guys in the room like the highest paid fucking winebacker in the room. Because you know it is. I just like just shut the fuck up. Like oh who's who's who's job? Whose job is he challenging? Because that guy's in

that guy's in a world of hurt. He's spiraling because the guy's popular. Instant sweats. Hard knocks. Yeah. He goes, watch Rodriguez. It's a rookie who I'm doing everything I can not to put out here first. 44's all over the place.

I'm trying, guys. I'm trying not to bench your ass. Like, who's he playing against you know? Yeah. Is he getting like, all right. Come on. We're trying to get Malcolm on the show. We don't need to go down that route.

We're trying to get Malcolm on the show. And I think he's going to be a player. Dan Campbell knows what he's looking for. Do you think about a six-rounder playing right away. Also, Amon St. Brown? that guy's yoked bro I did not know that guy's yoked bro and then it made sense knowing what his dad did

hey when he was like you see my son's in here like they're not talking and then I showed him those dudes were just fucking lifting like that was amazing I don't know though respectfully the guy doesn't like water did you hear him he's like we don't that's a code break yeah yeah code break

we got to stay hydrated yeah we're water boys we're water boys but I thought it was the guy was really he was he went at Kevin Durant Yep Kevin Durant caught astray You know you know Durant saw that show

Twitter too Yeah Durrins thinking about it No I think on his main account That's the thing I love about Kevin Durant He treats his main account like the burner account He's just whatever he feels like And I almost checked his timeline

After I watched last night See if he said anything Because the guy St. Brown's dad Who used to be a power lifter Mr. Universe And also didn't look like I mean maybe I'm being naive

But he looks healthy Yeah Most those guys are like in the upper room or they look all jacked up. This guy looks healthy. So he came at, well, it kind of came in. He was like, see these guys, ask Kevin Durant. Was he doing any calf raises?

Popped his Achilles. I'm like, damn, dude. I don't know. Like, I don't know if you. If someone, yeah. Oh, yeah. And then the other thing on this one was David Blow, man. David Blow was like a slow episode where nothing was happening.

I was like, somebody's going to get the bus backed over him here. Mm-hmm. David Blow gets in the huddle. After this, they build us up, right? David Blow and his wife, Melissa Gonzalez, who's an Olympian, and he went viral last year because during the season, he had everybody in the team room watching her compete.

In the Olympics, Tokyo Olympics, yeah. And so everybody loved him. And then this episode, he's like, you know, training with her, which is really cool. I mean, like, my wife's an athlete, like, not on that level, but she plays tennis. and Punches occasionally

Occasionally test the The arcade punching bag on vacation No but she was a great athlete in college So you know It helps to have that relationship And they like dived into that thing And then at the end of the thing They're trying to wrap up the preseason game

That they kind of have in hand against the Falcons And he huddles everybody up And he's like guys we're trying to show what we're about We're trying to show what the city's about We're going to grind this thing out We're in four minute mode Maybe you miss this part, Bo. But the guy was given like a nice hype speech.

A hard-knock speech. I believed him. And then we get in the huddle. First place, shotgun snap. It's like a read. And he can't even get the snap in his hand. He drops the snap. Balls on the ground.

Everybody's like, fuck, everybody's acting like their bum. They lost the pre-season game. You know, guys walking out of the stadium all like fake mad about that. I was walking out. Oh, God damn. We lost the game.

Well, we got tomorrow. Yeah, exactly, dude. But poor Blow was the sacrificial. lamb, you know, from a plot standpoint. I know he'll bounce back this week. And then we had the really cool Cliff Kingsbury ending where it was like it went dark for a second. Then it was just Cliff Kingsbury sitting in an office. Rewinding. And it was not like a cool fancy office, just literally like some room with like some cabinets behind him in a computer screen. And he was just watching. He's probably in that little quarterback room or something. They're always in like a closet.

Right. But yeah. I have a shout out to someone on. Hard Knox? Yeah, dude. Frank Ragnow. It's from Chan Hess and Minnesota, which is right down the street. Really good center. He went and played at Arkansas under Brett Bielma, who I had at Wisconsin. They showed a little clip of him fishing. He's a fucking great guy, so I want to give him some love. We got to get him on the program sometimes. And he was smack talking to offensive line coach's son. Oh, Hank Fraley, who Hank Frealey was a coach. Hank Fraley is a legend. One of my favorite parts of that show was at the end when, you know, they're rolling the credits and Hank Fraley's son makes a cameo. and he's just talking cash shit to all the players.

And you know, like, you can tell if, like, a player is like, all right, kid, but these kids, this kid had been in the building talking shit before. Those guys enjoy it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Frank Ragnow is like, your trash talk sucks. Yeah, that was funny, dude. So that kid's comfortable in an NFL building. He had to wake up in the morning.

Probably Hank's alarm clock went off at like 4.30. His son's in the hotel room with him. I'm like, damn, dude. If my dad asked me to come to camp like that, I'd probably be like, I'm good. So anyways, hard knocks. Yeah, Hank Fraley, the piece of work. And it's pretty cool to see him and all those former players kind of thriving. So hopefully that train keeps on rolling.

And we love Dan Campbell. I have sources on the ground. And I had to ask, because he's always got a lipper in. What does Dan Campbell dip? And my sources told me cope straight. So what we're going to do is send Dan Campbell a care package from the Greenlight Pod. Send him a big box. I'm a huge like five logs of you know

Cope straight than like 10 10 there's like three weeks of camp left Don't you think Dan's dipping a damn hole in his gums dude Dan's from Kilgore Texas man You don't think I don't think he's just throwing one dip a day in No but then do like one little tin of like Three milligram citrus Zinn That's hey that Zin

That's Zin I know Buzzin bro Oh I know why You gave me one one of them in the skiff when we were fly fishing and I didn't give a fuck I wasn't catching fish. I got some recommendations for some shit for the for the care package for coach. Yeah, we got to throw some more stuff in. Can't just be dead.

I think we got to go like in the other direction because I remember like we got to get him like some fucking like some camo oil tea or something. You know his heart rate's like 180 all day. Yeah. Oh yeah. A lot of pretty work out. Eight cups of coffee. Let's get him like some skincare.

Like you know he's not going to buy that for himself. But if it's sitting there. Yeah, you know he calls coffee Joe. Yeah. Yeah. Give him some like, like some nice wool socks or something like. You know what I'm going to get him?

I got some, I'm going to get him some sweet slides, man, because in camp you always need nice slides. It's like thinking about what somebody wants in jail a little bit. Like, you know, some shower shoes would be appreciated. Maybe what there's some nice. slides in there. Maybe I'll find him a nice

vintage Metallica tea. I think that'd be great. Yeah, I'm gonna find him a vintage Metallica tea. We'll throw some cope straight in there and maybe a lumbar support pad because you're sitting in meetings a lot like one of those motherfuckers. You know how like that agencies will send out that care packages and shit?

Yeah. And all the guys will be like, oh, what'd your agent get you? So the best one I ever saw was like a fucking foot massager. It was BG, was sitting in the room with a fucking foot massager, dude. every day. I look over there like, let me try that thing out.

Let's see what that's about. That thing's sweet. So does that have a foot massager. That thing's sweet. Those foot massagers are actually really dope. Actually, I might order one right after we record. And then lastly, Bo,

I think, I think, you know, like one of those, they have technology now. Well, it's really a spray can that you spray in the toilet. Poopery.

Oh, yeah. We'll send them some poopery because dudes are dropping. deuses at camp, dude. It's just a deuce fest. I bet you he probably has all this camp shit. He doesn't have poopery, dude. Dan Campbell's not thinking about

making his poop not stink before he before he drops the kids off at the pool. That's how poopery works. You spray it in the toilet and then you poop and it doesn't stink. All right, good thinking. That's very thoughtful of you. Anything else we should throw in there, Bo? No, like I was trying

to go up like a scented candle. Like you got you got to soften them up, man. He's wired all day. He's had 50 ounces of coffee. No one's buying his asses kind of stuff. Everyone's getting him like fucking, I don't know, like the coffee with like a million milligrams of caffeine in it. Dude, I think he's him like down, like give him, get him some like fucking send him some

benzos. Yeah. I'll send him some edibles. I'm not going to do that. I know like a journaling book. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he can like practice some mindfulness. What the fuck am I going to do with this?

So here was the question. question, Beau. Talk to me. Everybody's doing the Dan Campbell, you know, Mike Vrable coach thing. And we've done some Coach Royal Rumble breakdowns on this pot over the years, right? Who would win?

But I think people are being too short-sighted. I think the real question is, because I got Dan Campbell, right? I got Dan Campbell. Seeing him on Hard Knocks this year has sealed it. The guy looks like he's in great shape. Not that Mike doesn't. But, you know, like Dan looks like he's jacked, bro. He really is. The traps are out of control right now.

I think he's got some weight on Vrable maybe. But Vrable's one of those out of the furnace motherfuckers. Yeah. I was singing about this. Yeah. I like, what about Todd Bowles? Oh, Todd Bulls. Yeah, dude.

He's kind of big and soft-spoken. Like, he doesn't really say much, but, dude, I have seen him furious, and it was fucking scary. So I think people are sleeping on, on bowls. He might be the most slept on. He's also like fucking smartest shit. You know he's just not going to

I don't know. He's going to end that shit fast. I'm talking about like Enders game type shit. You think he's got some John Wick shit going? He's got something. So that's my, you know. Well, I think you've got to go all the way back

before, whoever it is. I'm going with Dan Campbell, right? But I think you've got to go all the way back to 1989, when Art Shell became a head coach before you can find a head coach that could challenge Dan Campbell

in Mortal Kombat. And I still have Dan, and I know some people who are, you know, these old school football fans are probably like, oh, you don't know, Art Shell, blah, blah, blah, blah, well, my dad played against Art Shell. He was a bad motherfucker. But also, look at the specs. You know, look at the specs.

The specs say that Dan Campbell weighed almost as much as Art Shell, you know? So I don't know. I don't know what to... And Mike Dicka, that name got thrown around. I don't know that Mike Dick could take Dan Campbell. What about Bill? Just like, you know, he's watched every single rep of his tape.

Like, I like to see Belichick as like, you know, you know those old, like, kung fu masters in the movies where they just like do the little like, wolf throat pinch or whatever they find a week. All I'm saying is he's probably been prepping for this moment. He's watched fucking tape. He knows, you know, back in 2002 when he was with the Cowboys, Dan Campbell, like, injured his ankle. So he's going for that angle. Oh, yeah. He's like, I go, you know, I know the ACs in bad shape. We had that in the player profile.

He's done, yeah, well, he's, he had a lot of years with Sean, you know, I got Dan Campbell. And I don't know how far back you got to go, but maybe the listeners can tell us, how far back do you have to go? If you agree with me and you think Dan Campbell comes out on top in today's generation of head coaches, the rules are this coach has to be able to beat up Dan Campbell while he's a head coach. You can't give me Mike Muncheck in his playing.

days. We're talking about 43 year old or 45 year old Dan Campbell. He's 45. I believe our show was 43 when he was hired as a head coach in 1989. So, I mean, like these guys are in the prime of their lives. So anyways, hey, the Manti Teo documentary. This is kind of one of those, you don't like memes. You know the meme, uh, Bo where the guy's walking down the street with his girlfriend and he's looking at the other girl and the girl's disgusted. Yeah. Yeah. The girl that's disgusted is hard knocks and the hot girl that is caught my attention. That's been Mantae Teo's documentary. That thing is, it's riveting.

Bo, I know you haven't seen episode two. Spoiler alert, he's getting catfished. I'm excited to see it, man. I remember, I mean, watching all that shit unfold live and you're like, what the fuck is going on? So I'll check it out. Well, what it really made me feel like was, I felt bad. I just felt bad for Manti-Tayo. And more than feeling bad, because he doesn't want sympathy.

I respect Manti-Tayo. I really do. The last like five minutes, you just were like, I'm on this Manti train. I want to shake his hand, like the guy in the airplane, dude. I just, and you know what? I'm glad to hear that if he, if, you know, people that rock with him, he rocks with them because he has the perspective over, you know,

a decade now of his life totally changing. So I'm sure every interaction, that you'd run into a Manteo, he'd probably be really gracious. Because he said it at the end of the dock, there's a lot of people who haven't been so cool to me. And if I was ever not cool to Manteo, I apologize.

It's cathartic for me too. Maybe I had a tweet in 2011. Like maybe I did an invisible joke. I probably done an invisible joke. It's not funny. I mean, it really isn't because when you really look into what that did to him,

the player and the guy, ultimately he's come out on top and he seems like you're a really good place in his life. But he didn't forgive himself for a long time. Right. And when he started talking about the anxiety that he felt, his first couple years in the league, that, like, you don't get a do-over.

You know, and if you're dealing with something like that, and it's affecting you because it is not only a very physical game, but it's a very mental game, that's really, really tough, and I felt really bad for him. I mean, think about it. The guy's getting ready to play in the national championship. He's a Heisman trophy finalist. and this is a dark cloud just hanging over his head.

And nobody else knows. The entire media, everybody just is, they're propping them up because they heard, you know, all they know up until that point is that his grandmother and his girlfriend had passed away in the same day and that he's had to deal with it.

That's all they know. And with him, he has to deal with their questions about that. And then also this dark cloud of Naya, now formerly renonymous. reaching out to him and telling him, I'm sorry. And you know what? I think a lot of people's reaction to Rania or Naya.

Naya. It was so like, how the fuck did this person get off scot-free and all this stuff? And like, what an evil person and what, I feel nothing. I just, I don't feel sorry. I, you know, I don't, I'm not like, it's just, it's somebody that, that had problems. And it's unfortunate. Like, it's totally selfish and unfortunate. and it totally derailed this kid's career.

But it's a fucked up world and things can change fast. And this is just like, how would he have known that you could get catfish? He didn't even know what that was, dude. It wasn't a thing to that degree that we know now. So, I mean, like, I just felt bad for him. And honestly, like, I just, the word that kept coming up in my head was grace.

Like, I felt like he just has a lot of grace. Like, he's obviously stronger for what he's gone through. But it's very sad. like a deeply sad documentary because you don't get another chance. And he said, you know, in college, I was this player that I wasn't afraid of anything. And like I just, I played so free. And everybody, any football player knows what that feels like when you're in that like kind of flow. And he was in that flow state as like kind of an athlete.

And this thing just knocked him down to his knees and he'll never get another shot at it. And the saddest part was he was like, I used to, you know, people used to walk up to me and say, that's Manteo. And then it became hand over the mouth. That's man died tail. And I mean, you, he told that one story. He walked. He went to training against his teams, his, uh, agents, uh, orders and, uh, walked in the room. Everyone was having a good time and then turned and saw him and everyone was quiet.

Sad. It just, you can't, that has to be so hard. You walk in the room and everybody, everybody, everybody notices your presence and they have a negative. a reaction to it. And right down to him at the draft, like he had all his family there. He was expected to go on the first round. And the very last pick in the first round happens to be a guy named Matt Elam. And his family's like, oh, we, you know, like, it's just so sad. Everything was like he just kept getting kicked when he was down. But I'll tell you this,

he has a very strong family. Dude, like, his parents, when, when he went on that national interview, like the way his dad was like, I love him, I'm proud of him. And they had tears in their eyes like, I was like, that's a very strong family. So nothing but respect from my end for him and what he's been through. I know it's not like a thing you brag about, but he's overcome something serious. Now, I will admit, I did laugh when they did the bobblehead thing. And bobblehead night at that ballpark, you have to admit, you broke, you cracked a smile. And they were no, they were handing out Manteo's bobbleheads and there was empty boxes. Right. So there are some funny, like it's okay to laugh, but.

Yeah, but you, but I feel bad now. Right. I can't laugh like I used to. Right. Exactly. It's okay to laugh, but the media at the time was like so irresponsible with the way that they were reporting on it and like suggesting that he was gay and all this stuff. It's just like it was ridiculous to think it's only 10, 11 years ago. Which the dead's been people said like we that was out of they.

Yeah, it was out of their control. Yeah. But although I will say the guy that we used to work for anonymous, scares the dog shit out of me. Oh my God, dude. He's like the, he's like Deadspin incarnate. Right.

No offense to that guy. Don't like fuck my life up. They had a really, it was an ominous like kind of intro for that guy and everything. They did a really good job of scaring the shit out of me. We just, Nate was in here. Dr. Fax was in here talking the other day about we should sue Deadspin.

I'm like, what are we doing? No. Not suing anybody, Dr. Faxx. But yeah, I don't know. It was a heavy story. You should definitely watch it.

There's no spoilers. Everybody know what happened. Here's the crazy part for me. The fact that he was having this conversation with Raniya for so long, that voice control was off the chain and the Dr. Phil part was just surreal. Dr. Phil was in there like, like, I've taken this to every FBI agent in America. And he said the chances of this being you in this recording are one in 10,000. And he's like, I need you to play with your voice now.

I need you to talk like a female. And so Raniya went in the other, like he went in a little bunk room and covered the like the curtains. And he was like, man, Thai. Right. And, and Dr. Phil was like, you know, almost like the jiff. He was so shocked. I've never seen Dr. Phil so shocked. They said this is, this is literally incredible voice control.

Yeah. Like it's, it's off the charts. And he was saying like it was, it was like a method actor. who had to like get into character and and like be in the right situation to be able to perform. Golly, man. You know, yeah, and it's tough to imagine being in a relationship for three years with somebody that you don't actually ever hang out with. But I think it also speaks to kind of the naivete of this kid, which is okay to be naive at 18 years old. Right.

And, you know, like he's never, you know, it's not the age of the internet. Kids were different. Right. And that's what his dad said in that interview. He was like, look, he's still a 21-year-old. It's just you guys have known him for four years and he's been on he's been in the national spotlight You you prop him up and think that he's older but he's he and that he knows so much more but he's still just 21 And it kind of became like a PSA for everybody going forward about like the fact that there's catfishers out there and so be careful yeah he fell on that grenade

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Tennessee, y'all 2, 1-8009-9-9-7-89. All right, we got one mailback question to go through, and then we are out of here. So all of us here, we're climbing up in age. We're hitting our peaks, or we're on the backside if we're not there already. Isn't that a motherfucker? Yeah, man, you guys more than me. I'm still in. You know?

Hey, I've been saying this. Youth is a state of mind. It is. That's right. It is. It is. Everybody's the same amount of alive. But so all of us kind of in that elder portions of our youth, what are the best and worst

parts of aging? So, Bo, you want to start with the bad or the good, because I wrote a couple things down because I knew we were going to talk about this. I had a couple thoughts, you know, as an elder youth. Elder youth. An elder youth. That's fucking great. That might be a new term, dude.

Elder youth. So it's like twofold for me because it's like, is this a good thing or a bad thing? But people expect a lot less of you physically, but a lot more of you like mentally and emotionally as you age. Yeah. Yeah, that's not good for me. I need the other way. Give me, give me an example when this happens to you, Mo. So, like, I don't know.

If you're, you know, you always hear people like, someone will like stumble or someone they're walking, they're, oh, I'm 30. It's like, ah, ha, ha, ha. But then, you know, when you fucking are super hungover after a fun weekend with your buddy in Montana, they're a little disappointed in you. Imagine me, 37. Well, yeah, I did expect a lot out of you because I was like, I'm getting my old ass out of bed. Yeah.

He was in that airstream for hours, dude. I almost did like a wellness check. Anyways, I would say it starts with with prostate exams. Yeah. That's a good one. That's not good. Now, I know they can do it with like lasers nowadays. Yeah?

Is it or a robot? I mean, fuck, give me one of these Boston Dynamics guys. I just don't need a guy in a lab coat. Give me to come hither. I thought you hated robots, man. Now you want to buck. Yeah. Hey, this prostate is good.

All right. Prostate complete. I mean, it is depressing, though, to not only have to consider, and I know, they can probably do them. Matt, they can do them without that nowadays. I should just Google it. Yeah, they can do it with like an artificial arm, if you will. An artificial arm. Or like an appendage.

So it's still something physically. have to go in there. Absolutely. You got to get a camera up there in order to detect problems. Is it one of these microscopic cameras? I mean, I'm getting older, so I'll report back next time I go. Next time? The first time. Okay. God damn, you went in early. They're like, it's only, how old are you? I'm 27. I just heard about this thing. Yeah, I just go, you know, my prostate exams are voluntary. I go, you know, I'll see more times a month. Oh man, no thank you. Okay.

And then the other thing is like there's a there's there are side effects. I mean, you know, guys peeing a lot at night. That's dudes are starting to pee a lot. Dudes in my group text are starting to talk about peeing a lot at night in the group text. You know, that's a problem. Yeah, I'm always pissing a lot. Man, I stay hydrated. I got, I got water boys.

I got one that's bad. This is the worst part about aging in my opinion is watching your parents age as well. Oh, come on. Tough. It is tough. And this is, uh, now that a mood killer?

No, the segment is. Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to move at a hot. Is that a code break?

I think yeah. It's code break. We were doing a lighthearted, you know, oh, I got to pee a lot at night. And he's like, yeah,

I'm watching my parents one day closer to death. That's not what I meant. All right. I'm just saying like, you know. Dust in the wind, Bo. All we all.

is dust in the wind. So crates. My parents. You've been doing this on my parents. This podcast of my parents. We just had a nice little Minnesota goodbye with them. Come on. Yeah, you're trying to give them a real Minnesota goodbye.

Like out the door you go. You know? Oh, man. Hey, how about large text messages to lighten the mood? Large text messages. I see my parents, my dad more so, having the large text messages where, you know, you got to like, and everybody can read your text messages.

Yeah. You're scheduling a prostate exam and you're texting your doctor and everybody could see it because you're also so old that you have large letters on your phone. So it's a problem. I would say also you talked about texting and hearing about other people having to get up and be hearing what your friends who are the same age, what they're going through because you know it's going to be something for you too. Yes. So it's trading those stories back and forth.

And it starts to be a topic, dude. Yep. You know, back pain becomes a top. How about FOMO, dude? I don't know that I want to be at the bar, right? You know, on a Saturday night, I kind of like sitting at home. Everything is telling you sit at home. It's so nice.

It's so fun. This edible feels great. Three beers is perfect. But in your head, you get these flashes. They're like flashbacks of like a crowded, sweaty bar. You know, like, Beau, you know what I mean? Like the bar you tricked me into going to New Year's Eve, 2019. I am king FOMO.

Like, I don't care how old I am. Some of my buddies are doing something and I'm not there. I got to be there. I can't not do it. You know? So I guess I get what you're saying, but I don't know. Here's one I got. It's like when you're a bad part about getting old,

like on the street or something, you're walking by like a young group and you're like, they don't even register you. You're just an old fuck. Oh, yeah, yeah. Don't even like just take a glance over your way and write you out. right away. But also being afraid of young people judging you.

Like, I don't need, the scary thing about young people judging you is you don't even know what the fuck they're judging you about. The trends have outpaced me. So like, I'm walking down the street and I have no idea. I got these shorts on right now,

which I think is actually a positive of aging. Look at these fucking shorts. So like North Face. I got seven pockets. I got, um, you got some cargo ones there. There's,

cargos. Look, I have athletic greens in my pocket. Whoa. Yeah, I got a wallet. I got keys at my bowl. You know, like, that's a good thing. You got your phone clip on your waist. I could never wear that in my 20s. People would judge the fuck in me.

So on the other side of things, like, actually, you're judged less for your appearance. So you can really just kind of be yourself. That's a good one. Which is a huge goober. That's, you know what I mean? Just like dressed like a goober. Reed, have you thought about this stuff? The one that always terrifies me is kidney stones.

I remember hearing stories and people, they get knocked out for a day or two and they can't do anything fun. That just terrifies me. Just even the thought and like figuring out how it works, I don't, I'm not interested. I mean, it's a rock in your dick hole. Right. That's, that's, yes. And it's scary to think about and even know when you have to go into for that procedure, I have, that's what's happening to my body right now.

They totally. There's like a huge euphemism, a kidney. known it's a dick rock right right it's a dick rock dude your body produced a rock and is sending it out your your penis kidney stone sounds so like yeah it's not that bad right from what i've heard it is pass out bad yeah you ever seen one of those stones are like these little jagged tiny pieces of metal sharp edges yeah no but i'm sure i'll be seeing one soon uh you know uh how about how about when you get older uh I actually think, you know, talking about the bar earlier, I think it's going to be tight to be old in the bar.

I love you. Youth is a state of mind. I love it with a 47-year-old dude or 57-year-old dudes, like in the bar, and you're like, he's having a good time. Yeah, because you know he just needs it. He needs it. Like, from the prospect that, like, you know they can hang? Well, you know, they're there for a good reason.

If they're not, if they're not creepy, you know, like, there's creepy old guys in the bar, but, like, the right bar, like, day drinking or, like, a beach bar, like, or a dive bar like everybody's equal in the eyes of a dive bar so you know if you're 60 you got white hair and you're in the bar maybe you're getting drunk with your grown son or you're like in for a game or something like or just trying to blow some steam after you had a kidney stone yeah oh my god yeah but those guys like you want to give them a chance you know i always give it if i see a 23 year old guy at the bar i judge them if i see a 60 year old guy at the bar for the most part if they look like they're having fun, I wouldn't mind just chit-chatting with that person. You know what I mean? They seem

cool. I don't know. Being able to say what something used to cost. I like that. As you get older, you can say what something used to cost. Yeah. I used to get that Coke from the vending machine for 35 cents. Coke is going to cost $12 in 2040. Also, same vein, like being in being in the same town or going back to a town and being like, oh, I remember how small this place used to be. I remember when that wasn't there or whatever. I remember when that whole hill was just a piece of grass. That's a great, that's a great go-to when you're coming home, like, for like, and you're talking to the Uber driver.

Yeah. Man, when I was here, the CVS wasn't here. I do that every time. Like, you know, complaining in general when you get older, just hits. Oh, fuck yeah. It hits. Old complaints are different, you know? How about sitting on the porch?

Just like, just sitting on the porch. Like, that's something. I really look forward to just, I just mean like being good at sitting still on the porch and having nothing to worry about. That's what I look forward to. Simple pleasures, maybe. But how about the boners though? Yeah, well, I, yeah, I don't know. It's a concern. It's a big concern. They got pills for that. They have pills for that, but it takes the, it's like fishing in a stock pond. It just doesn't, it feels, feels like, yeah, I didn't earn this. I'm also worried about decreased reaction time.

Is that what happens? Yeah, man. So, all right, I'm going to ask a controversial question. Should old people be driving? There should be a cutoff. Absolutely. Just like there should be a cutoff. Like a cutoff test.

75. This might sound 80. Might sound ageist, but I think they should put my parents in a robot car. So you would trust robots with your parents. but nothing else. No. Get a driver.

Trust robots for his parents and for a prostate exam. But with snakes, no way. No chance. No chance. I don't know, man. Before we get in the show, at what age are you going to start to be like, oh, fuck, I'm old?

30. You're 30. Yeah. Yeah, okay. That makes sense. All right, Bo Allen. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me, man.

It's fun. Hey, more to come. Now you're on Good Morning Football, it's like, this is a hot ticket, so I'm really thankful anytime we can get you. Yeah, well,

I'm thankful to hang out with you, man. Yeah, it's a nice house plant, nice, nice background, so keep up the good work. That's my mom's, yeah,

she's been killing it. See you guys. See you. Peace, brother. Have fun on your date. Love you. Hey, have you ever seen,

you ever seen Hot Rod? Me? Yeah. Cool beans, the beep, yeah, I have. He's going on a date. He put on a shirt and you go to the date. That movie is fucking hilarious. Hey, what's your, what's your panic topic when it gets quiet at dinner and there's a lull?

And you've got to give me your pay. Can we help you with a panic topic? I'll just talk about how bad to get old. Ask her about the walrus in Norway. This is going to tell you everything you need to know where she stands on the walrus. in Norway. The walrus in Norway. Yeah, there's a walrus. Just being a walrus. There's some boats in the way.

Sometimes he hops on the boats. They went to the president of Norway. She. Freya. They went to the president in Norway. Preya is the walrus. God rest her soul. And they go to the president. Yeah. They go to the president of Norway. And the president of Norway says, kill it.

Don't move. Just kill it. Kill the walrus. Fuck. Kill the president, dude. The Norwegian sniper killing you in that day tonight. Like my windows bathing a fucking trooper, paratrooper.

People with little blue crosses on red flags on their jackets. Because it was climbing on boats. Yeah, it kept, it would climb on the boats because it wanted to get out of the water and like sun itself. But it would sink the boats because it was so heavy. And so then they killed Freya. They didn't want to build like a platform in the middle and teach it to jump on the platform.

They just wanted to kill it. Murderous. Ooh. Norwegians. Yes. I'm out on them. I'm out. Yeah, that's all it takes.

I'm bringing that up tonight. I'm what I'm sure she says. Yep. That'll be a good litmus test. Have a good time. I hope I do. Goodbye. Hey, buddy.