Green Light with Chris Long - Ryan Shazier! Pittsburgh Steelers, Podcasting & NFL Career. MNF, Army-Navy Recap & RIP to Mike Leach.

Episode Date: December 14, 2022

(2:20) - Patriots vs Cardinals, Kyler Murray's Injury & Impact on the Cardinals' Future, Miami Dolphins' Using Heaters on the Sidelines & Army-Navy Weekend Recap. (19:10) - RIP Mike Leach - Favorite Stories, Interactions & Takes. (30:41) - Ryan Shazier talks Pittsburgh Steelers Career, the Injury that Ended his time in the NFL, Becoming a Podcaster, Mike Tomlin & NFL Storylines. (1:20:15) - Beau & Kingston talk White Lotus & Play Some Start-Bench-Cut. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b   Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42   Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1   Green Light with Chris Long:   Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. https://www.greenlightpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Tennessee, y'all too, 1-8009-9-7-89. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. Oh, boy. Chris and Bo will open the show with a little weekend recap from the Army Navy game and talk Patriots Cardinals, the Kyler injury and what the Cardinals can do from here on out. Chris and Ryan cover some NFL topics, talk the Steelers Outlook for this season and beyond. Mike Tomlin is an NFL head coach. What makes him so special and likable among players?

Ryan's time in Pittsburgh with Antonio Brown, Big Ben, why you think Urban Meyer failed in the NFL and Ryan's transition to podcasting after his football career. Ryan also talks about his freak injury and the intense rehab that he had to go through. Y'all enjoy this show and we'll see you a Thursday for AMP at 4.30 p.m. Y'all enjoy. Got what I think is a real treat for you today. Ryan Shazir is going to be joining the pod. I really like Ryan.

Never met him before. Always admired him from a distance. Everything he's been through. Obviously the football player he was before the injury, he was fun to watch, man. And I know he danced on that line between like, hey, it's a little much. and good clean football, but those rivalries were fun. And for a chapter, Ryan Shazir was a big part of those AFC North storylines. And I think he would have been a career-long stealer legend, if not for the injury.

I remember him walking across the stage in 2018. That was really moving. And I know he's come a long way since that, so we'll ask him about his recovery. We're five years out from that injury. And he'll be joining us shortly. in the meantime. And he's a podcaster now. Yeah, he's a podcaster.

So that's exciting. He's going to do something with Damashek called Don't Call It a Come Back. And Shazir is going to join us in a couple of minutes. And hopefully at some point I can go on their show because I love Dave. And I'll let you in on how the interview went down. Like, I really, really liked Ryan Shazir. I think he's going to be really good at this. And he's got a great attitude.

You guys have great attitudes. Bo Allen joins us fresh off of an exam. Chris, I've had a full day here. I'm battling through adversity a little bit. I actually just won a huge, huge pickleball game against the GM and assistant GM of the Tampa Bay Lightning. Oh, nice. And you're looking at four very nice tickets to the game tonight. Oh, wow.

You won that off the pickle game? The pickleball game? Me and my buddy Ryan Griffin, who is a backup quarterback for the Tampa Bay Box, had a thrilling 14 to 12 overtime victory is tied up 2 to 2 and I fucking hopped on my moped jetted back over here and here we are Chris Bro your voice changes when you're winded

I'm fucking gassed right now dude you should see my heart rate okay you should feel the body aches that are going on in my body right now this is my flu game yeah well we I mean it's kind of funny I think it's just day four of a hangover after this weekend

it's not That's why I sound like fucking Andrew Luck right now. Well, I felt tremendous coming off the weekend up in Philly. Actually, I was starting around the corner big time Sunday evening. Then yesterday I started to feel like shit. So keep an eye on this, Bo. Keep an eye on this, Bo. Yeah, well, let me know.

Maybe that's why my voice. My wind was pretty solid today, but my heart rate got up to a nice little 190 on my whoop tracking device. Oh, man, that's high. It's pretty high. What do we think about the weekend, Bo? Oh, we have a lot to discuss. I think some things we shouldn't discuss. but I think we had a very different experience in Philadelphia this time than, you know, last,

last time that we were there for your charity event in the, uh, the Jags, Eagles game. Uh, but I had a good time, Chris. What about you? What do you have to say about it? Uh, I thought it was fun, man. I thought we had a, Army Navy was, was, was perfect, man. It was, uh, it was a lot of fun. I'd never seen the scene in person.

You always see it on TV, uh, all the Naval Academy, guys and gals walking around the concourse. Well, obviously, we walked around the concourse. a lot and we saw some of the army folks as well the uniforms look fucking awesome they're great men and women uh and the football is different and you know like as i was letting people in on this yesterday early in the on the monday pod bow like we walked around that concourse for the entirety of the first quarter it's insane people are like oh you guys used to play here you probably really know how to navigate the link it's the complete opposite dude it's fucking embarrassing like you could have given me a GPS monitor and like a complete map of the link

with details and everything and walk me through it on a walkie-talkie, and I would have been still fucking completely lost. I think we logged five miles. So, yeah, our boy, B. Nelly, we told him to check his. Apple Watch. Yeah, whatever it is. At almost 11, it was 10 o'clock. We had just gotten to our appearance at Wicked Wolf,

which was a lot of fun. We'll get into that. But Brian said he had logged six miles that day. Six miles. And we were walking around the tailgate. Yeah. The tailgates. I mean, we literally,

walked around the length of concourse three times. We went up, we went down. I think my favorite thing, though, about the Army-Navy game is just the tailgate, and then we got to meet a lot of people through Jason Van Camp and his organization, Warrior Rising, which I'm sure you've talked about on the pod. He's a Killy guy that I climbed with, and that was that great Killy class. But anyway, you kind of, you know, you start talking to somebody and you meet them and you're from the military, or they're from the military, and it's like a soft-spoken guy, you know,

and then you find out later that that's like a top dog in the Marine Corps or something. You're like, oh my God, like that's a complete badass. But like just, you know, very normal individual. And it's fun to hear them and some of their stories. And, you know, the camaraderie and the brotherhood of the military is really something special. So fun to soak that in. Did you guys get to run into Stanford Steve? We did see Stanford Steve at the barstool party there.

We popped over to see Stanford Steve and some of his friends. Caught up with a lot of people I knew. I caught up with a lot of people I knew. We have a lot of friends in Philly, and it was fun. Like I said, Saturday night, we went to Wiggin'Wolf. We were serving drinks behind the bar. I think some people didn't understand the fact that, like, I can't buy, I can't, like, take their drink order. We could only throw the Miller lights.

Yeah, I was just giving, I was giving drinks out. I made a pineapple tequila for somebody. I made a couple of vodka sodas. I made Brian, I made Brian a really, really strong Jack and Coke. Yeah, is that what happened? That might be. Yeah. He was fatigued from those six miles.

Yeah. I remember at the Super Bowl one year, me and Brian hit it pretty hard, and we were in Atlanta. And there was a point in the Uber where he couldn't communicate to me where his hotel was. And the only thing I could get out of him for 25 minutes as we circled Atlanta was Jack and Coke Hotel. Brian was giving out a lot of high fives to bartenders. Let's just say that. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, the truth is there's nothing more pressure packed than shotguning a beer

in front of a bunch of 25-year-old people. I know. I think we... Over under eight shotguns. How many do we do? Oh, over. Yeah, we had a pretty good performance, I think. Yeah, it was a good performance.

We were youthful. A lot of fun. You know, in the Army-Navy game was awesome from what I saw of it, Bo. Yeah, I mean, zero passing yards in the fourth quarter is electric. You know, you kind of love to see that. I was joking to Chris that if we were de-linement in that game, you know, we probably would have had like 15, 20 tackles. It would have been kind of nice.

but it kind of reminds me of football, you know, before the forward pass was invented, which is great. It's America's game, you know. Were you, the guys were asking me here if that was a code break that we left the game in overtime, we boarded the SEPTA in overtime. We had to get to the event and everything, but Bo, Bo I'm just going to be really honest here. I followed you, but this was Bo's idea. This was my idea.

I'll take full credit. And in my defense, you know, I've been contacting some, you know, some plastic surgeons down in Tampa because I need to get skin grass for the third degree burns on my legs from chafing since we walk six fucking miles. So I kind of got to a point where I just need to get the fuck out of the game. Like it was overtime. My legs are on fire, dude. My inner thighs, just raw.

Completely rubbed raw. So definite co-break. I'll take responsibility for that, Chris. I'm a big accountability guy. That one's on me. The fact that I was able to talk you into riding the Broad Street line on, you know, septa is hilarious to me it was nice um that's probably why you have probably why you have the flu you know yeah probably thanks a lot beau um and thanks for uh i don't know hating the military

leaving early i uh okay bow we're we're back uh monday night we decided after the game that it was too dog shit to to to do a recap of that game but i thought a few interesting things came out of that game that i want to touch on real quick talk me guess before i try to try to go get some tamiflu. Bill, there were some Bill stories that came out on Manningcast. I haven't been there in a while.

Not that I don't love the Manning cast. I don't watch the Manning cast since Kelsey was on it, honestly. I got to pay attention to the game. You know what I mean? But these stories, you catch these stories on social.

Peyton told a great story. There was a long snapper named David Ben. I guess he played for the Chargers. And back in the day, I guess Bill selected him or picked him to the Pro Bowl or something like that. I didn't know that coaches could really do that.

But it is, you know, and David Ben shows up to the Pro Bowl. And David Ben was at the time dating Pamela Anderson. Try going after Tommy Lee, right? Yeah, tough act to follow. Well, David Ben shows up and Bill's like, hey, where's your girlfriend? And Bill said, and David Ben says, she didn't come, coach. and Coach Belichick said, remind me why the fuck I invited you? And Ben thought he was joking, but Bill just stayed deadpan on that thing.

And I thought that was hilarious. And then on top of that, there was another Bill story where Art Modell, he hated him so much, right? The Brown's owner. Somehow Peter Bullware wasn't supposed to play in the Pro Bowl, and he pulled him up to the Pro Bowl so that Art Modell had to pay his Pro Bowl bonus. So, Bill, that's hilariously petty. That's amazing. A mill? That is just cyber warfare.

That's like, that's, that's, that's 3D chess, dude. Yeah. That's 4D chess. For the Ravens at that point, once the Brown's move back to. Got it. Got it. Yeah, so, I mean, you get a couple of Bill stories. Listen, the game, the, the pets are in it, but I don't think they're real players in this thing.

When you watch them, it's just so apparent how little talent they have. so it's hard to make an evaluation on Mac Jones. I think he's okay. You watch the Pats and you're saying to yourself, they're fighting for a playoff spot, but can they win a bunch of playoff games? I don't know. The defense,

Judon, Uche, you know, they come free a lot. Uche won some really nice rushes last night. I mean, they got after Colt McCoy. And, of course, the big story last night was the injury to Kyler Murray, which people immediately were like, well, Joe Buck was like, I don't know if you caught this, well, all these injuries tonight happening on grass,

And I don't know if he meant like, wow, it's just a frustrating narrative, man. Everyone's been so fucking talking about the turf. And then the commentators are like, oh, look, these injuries still happen on grass. The bottom line is the turf is way fucking worse, right? Way worse. Sorry to jump in on that, Chris. But, like, that's one thing that frustrates me so much. If you pull any guy in the NFL, it's going to be 95% say that they would rather play on grass.

Well, listen. These freak injuries are freak injuries, man. Like, we all saw what happened with Tyler, and it's horrible. but to make it like a turf versus grass thing like Joe Buck did that really that annoyed the fuck and I don't know I know Joe and I love Joe and we're boys I'd have to text him and ask him what he meant by it he might have just not delivered the line like it could be like damn they can't catch a break this is on grass you know like that type of thing like knowing Joe I don't think he was like uh fuck you guys you're not you know I don't want to hear you guys talk about turf anymore and and on top of that

however he meant it that's not really natural grass that's natural that's natural grass, but they're wheeling that turf in. And on top of that, I would also say, I don't think the Kyler injury had anything to do with the surface. I know that Andy Reid has complained about the surface before, but I texted a couple of my old trainers. I was like, what do you think about this injury? And, you know, I mean,

it looks like a freak injury. He goes to plant, and he's kind of his foot's underneath him. He's cutting. He's a really powerful little athlete. He might be small, but he's powerful. And every step, there's so much torque that, and that's what worries you about, like, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. and Lamar Jackson's leverage is kind of fucked up right now because of this.

Kyler has gotten his bag, thankfully for him. But for the Cardinals, you look at this thing and you're like, okay, this guy's going to be out for most of the season next year. You do have a capable backup in Colt McCoy, who you could argue is just as consistent in the output of the offense, depending on what's going on with Kyler. Cliff Kingsbury, who they just read up as well as Kyler and Steve Kime, is struggling right now.

Like, that's a really sloppy game. I just watched last night. Everything that could have gone wrong went wrong. Sloppy, Chris. Penalties, every drive for the Cardinals, it's like just styming them. I mean, yeah, it's hard to watch. I mean, there's not a lot of light at the tunnel for the Cardinals. I think that's kind of what you're getting at.

The tough part, look at Zach Ertz. Like, you know, and I haven't talked to Zach, but like, I would imagine this is tough, you know, think about being a vet on that team. Think about being JJ Watt. Think about, you know, like, okay, you lost your franchise quarterback. which direction is my my franchise going to go next year you could punt on winning next year not that I'm a big fan of tanking but you know it does happen I believe we've seen it like Caleb Williams sweet stakes is a year off Sean Peyton somewhere hovering around the the Chargers

and the Cardinals job what if Brandon Staley plays these guys or coaches these guys into the playoffs he doesn't lose his job he makes it really hard to fire him and Cliff um he his job's on the line. What do you do? I mean, you just, you just read everybody up. What do you do with Kyler in the year if you've decided that he's not the guy? And this only makes it tougher. His out isn't until after 2027. So, I mean, like, they're kind of, they got there. I want to be empathetic and not move right on to like talking about the contract stuff. But they got him by the balls. I mean, he doesn't have a no trade clause. So, you know, like in a year, if somebody wanted to take on that contract and they were like, hey, we're over it. You could move him after 23.

but either way, next year is going to be weird. And I just think it's going to be really interesting to see, do they keep Cliff on, knowing that like a Sean Peyton wouldn't want to come and lay the foundation for the future with a backup quarterback and a rehabbing quarterback. It's really interesting because I had heard, Chargers and Cardinals for Sean Payton,

and this just complicates this job. So what happens if Brandon Staley survives? You know, so I don't know, man. It's a tough situation for them, this franchise, I think sometimes you've got to hit the reset button, but what they've done in, you know, the recent past is going to make that really hard. It complicates things. Not much to say else about that game.

It was ugly. It was one of the five worst primetime games of the season. I mean, low-key, I know there's more scoring than some other games, but that was hideous. I put that up there. It's just hard to care about those two teams, even before the, you know, before kickoff, in my opinion. And these are, I mean, we cared, we played for the Patriots, you know what I mean? Yeah, well, gambling on the Patriots now. Big boy had the under, had the pads, had the pads in the under and the teaser.

So we had a nice night and Macon shot me a winner, Alabama and A&M catching 10. Never heard of, you know, Alabama A&M. Actually, I've heard of them, but never watched them play basketball. So we're off to a good start this week. Chase Long. Chase Long is not the guy in this chair right now. I'm Chris Long, you know. Hey, real quick, before we get into Mike Leach and his.

tragic passing and it was very sudden. A couple housekeeping items. Number one, I found out this week the dolphins used heaters on the sideline at L.A. It was 55 degrees in that stadium. Come on. And they used heaters. And you're going to, you're going to

Buffalo this weekend? Brutal. Brutal. And another thing. Has anybody called Penae Sewell big pasta yet? Let's get that going. Yeah, let's get it going right now.

Let's get that going right now. Put that shit out there. Right now. Right now. Okay. So that's two things. And then the last thing is, did you see this 12-year-old, quote-unquote 12-year-old pee-wee football player,

whatever the fuck level that is? Guy had a mustache. He was getting interviewed after the 12-year-old championship, the under-12 championship. And he's looking the fucking reporter eye-to-eye. The guy's name? Like Greg Oden out there. The guy's name?

Jeremiah Johnson. No way. swear to you. That's what I read today on the internet. It's Robert Redford. Is that funny as shit or what? They named that kid. Did they name him after Robert Redford?

The little turn in the nod, right? Who looks older. Jeremiah had you on her Robert Redford? Robert Redford alive? He's alive. Okay. All right. Mike Leach.

This guy, Bo, I don't know if you've heard me tell this story and we'll get to Ryan Zazir in a second after this, but he was obviously one of a kind. And I think as today goes on and people share these really awesome stories, I mean, people die all the time. This guy's got stories for 10 people. I mean, like the stories that I'm seeing from the football importance, you know, starting the air rate, like revolutionizing drills, doing crazy shit on the field. Like I watched a play against Wyoming that he had the snapper on the hash and the entire offensive formation to the left of him to the boundary. and he was snapping it diagonally. So the formation was like all bunched up against the sidelines.

So like not only did he do something undeniably genius, like start the air raid and have all these quarterbacks throw for thousands of yards, but he was also innovative. Like this play, I hope Mississippi State runs it in the bowl game. Like honestly, I think that'd be cool if Mississippi State would run this play. As a little homage to Mike, but it's not just that. It's like at Oklahoma, he planted a fake game plan. So the opposing coaches picked it up and thought,

they had, they were hot on, you know, stoops and leeches tails and, and they had the wrong plays. And so, you know, he was just, he was so unique and such an innovator. But more than anything, I mean, he just seemed like a guy who would talk to anybody. And that's what I really liked about him. And I got to see that up close and personal because they beat us in the Gator Bowl. Do you remember their big splits, Bo, and they would run big splits? You were a lot younger than me, but Texas Tech would spread those linemen out way wide. Yeah. I know what you're talking about. experience it personally, but I know exactly what you're talking about. It does not shorten the distance to the quarterback. It is a motherfucker. And, you know, like, guys will be out there like,

you can't get to the quarterback. I'm like, I'm lined up on the hat. It's just awkward. There's weird spacing involved. Like you get so used to like, you know, lines, you know, lining up a certain distance off the ball and things like that. But it's weird. They broke our hearts. They beat us, you know, in the Gator Bowl. I'm not over it yet. But then two years later, a year later, I end up becoming teammates with Danny Amandola, who was a star on that team. He came in with his Conica Manolta Gator Bowl bag and like just plopped it down at the locker, two lockers for me. And it was almost like a fuck you.

And then we proceeded to be great friends, took him out, got him drunk on rumplements. He threw up in my closet. Yeah, this is legendary Danny's stories left the night. Can't wait to hear this story. Yeah, well, for another day. Then me and Danny started going to these music festivals. Me, Sam, Danny, and a couple of dudes would go to like Bonnaroo, Coachella. and we would get so just messed up as you do at a music festival and I would be like hey Danny can we call Mike Leach

and so I can remember sitting on a rock at Coachella like four in the afternoon I've been going since like 9 a.m. And me and Danny are sitting there on that rock and he's like we'll call Mike Leach right now and we call Mike Leach first three rings he picks up we're on the phone I look at the phone it's an hour and 13 minutes we're on the phone with Mike Leach. That's all I remember about the conversation is thinking to myself, like the guy that beat me in a bowl game, we're passing the phone back and forth, whether it was 4 o'clock at night, or we'd call him at 2 in the morning,

back in the RV. He would talk to us for legitimately 40 minutes, 30 minutes, like throughout the whole weekend. It was like he had nowhere to be, and he was happiest in that moment with whoever he was talking to. He didn't know me. Just love the players. Loved his former players.

And other players. Like, I never met him, but he was on the phone with me for 20 minutes. And I was asking him, stupid shit. But he just, he was, you could tell he didn't care who he was talking to or about what he just loved having conversations. One of my biggest regrets, we didn't get him on this pod because that would have been an all-timer. And, you know, I just, it's obviously a huge loss for the football world and you're hearing

a lot of great stories about it. And I can only hope that when we all kick the bucket, people have good stories about us. They won't have stories like they have about Mike Leach. Mike Leach with Jeremy Schap a couple years ago, kind of morbid, but, you know, Shapp's like, hey, many years from now when you die, you know, how do you want your eulogy to be? And he, Mike Leach's response was, that's their problem.

Like, I'm dead. They got to worry about my eulogy. I don't have to worry about that. And I just think it's such a funny attitude that he had, and people are writing that eulogy. And it's full of a lot of great stories. I know my favorite was him breaking down the, you ever hear him breaking down the jackalope thing, Bo?

No, I miss that. So basically, they were getting ready to play at Wyoming. There's altitude down there. The reporters are asking him about altitude. He's like, yeah, you know, altitude. We've been practicing for the altitude. And there's seasonal forest fires up here, which I think is great because oxygen deprivation. And, you know, it reminds me of jackalopes.

You know what a jackalope is? It's a fictional creature, right? It's a rabbit with fucking horn. And so he's like, you know, when I lived out west, I used to sell jackalopes to people back east all the time. And they thought there were these rabbits running around with horns. And that's about how I feel. about the altitude I mean

what a metaphor there's in shape or there's out of shape I thought that was a classic I love amazing I love he he added this guy he Jamal Morrow was a team captain on his team when they asked him why he was a team

captain on the team he said because he was on the price is right and he was really good at it he was yeah I swear to you guys in midfield because he's on prices right He recruited a guy named. That's why Aaron Rogers is the captain of the Green Bay Packers, right? Yes, yes, yes.

Same principle. Same thing, dude. And you have this guy, Matt Williams. They needed a kicker, and they were doing this promotional thing where this student at Texas Tech went out and kicked the ball. He got free rent for kicking the ball through, which would probably be a violation if he added him to the team. And he did add him to the team just off the fact that he kicked like a 35-year-old-year-old and a field goal competition. He was sitting in the stand. So I do want to close this out talking about Mike Leach with a couple of the misses.

And I wish Mike were here so I could be like, hey, Mike, we haven't talked since Coachella 2010 or whatever it is. But I thought you missed on a couple takes over the years. Number one, candy corn is not bad. Okay, Mike, I don't know if you're listening. Candy corn sucks, dude. I'm a candy connoisseur and I hate candy corn. That's a good take, Mike. Well, you know, you're the one calling yourself a connoisseur.

We don't know. You don't like candy corn. Canneycorn's ass, bro. Okay, all right. That's the worst take. That's all he had. He never missed. Well, he didn't miss much.

No takes about getting married. The take about getting married was great. It was like, hey, if you're going to get married, just go a lope. And I think that was like absolutely spitting the truth. Every young man needs to hear that. I cherish my wedding day and everything. But, golly, it was a big bill, and we don't remember much of it. A lot of people at the wedding I don't talk to anymore.

I wasn't at the wedding, Chris, and you talked to me. Right, exactly. I talked to you a lot. Too much, huh? No, not too much. So I just wanted to talk about Mike Leach for five minutes. We'll talk about Mike Leach more at various turns in a row because he was so different. And I just.

Alleged, man. Truly a ledge. Like a free thinker and just, you can tell he's very earnest, genuine guy too, which, you know, kind of rare for a coach sometimes. No question. No question. stories will go on. People can send us some stories that they heard about Mike Leach,

and we'll talk about them on the show because all of them are hilarious. He's one of those guys, too, Chris, where we could just make up stories. Yes. There were stories today that I wasn't sure if they were true or not. I had to fact check him. Like, hey, he told Lincoln Riley he wasn't going to make the team. Oh, I heard Mike Leach actually, you know, when he was younger, he ran around the continental United States planting apple trees.

Now all the apple trees around the United States, they're planted by Mike Leach. That's actually true. Yeah, that's true. You didn't know that. I heard he had a pet, you know, a blue oxen when he was younger. A huge blue ox. He carried around a giant axe. Yeah, like Paul Bunyan.

Am I getting that right? Yeah. First one was Johnny Appleseed. Oh, got it. I got to work on my folklore. I got to go get some Tamiflu too, Bo, because I'm hurting right now. Get you some Mexican ephedron, gross. If you got some.

to say, I'm going to leave you to it with these guys, and we can put it at the end of the pod. Bo, you can have the floor if you want to, if you want to close the show out after Ryan Chazir. I'm waiting for my whole life for this, Chris. Yeah, just my moment to shine. Commandere the, the microphone. And, uh, and Bo, I'm going to go feel better, okay? Sounds good. Appreciate you.

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Just met Ryan Chazir for the first time over Zoom. Somebody I've admired for a long time, his perseverance, everything he's been through. And now he's starting a podcast with my good friend, Dave Damashag. It's called Don't Call It a Comeback. And now I welcome Ryan Chazir. Ryan, what's up, dude?

What's up, Chris? Appreciate your problem. Yeah, man, of course. This is really cool. I didn't see you getting into podcasting, man. What was this kind of process like with you and Dave? No, you know, so I actually did a podcast a few years ago. I mean, a year ago, through the ringer.

And it was just talking about straight football. But I actually liked this podcast a lot. And the reason I like this one a lot is because we actually get to talk a little bit more than just football. We talk about, you know, just comeback stories. And to me, I thought it was very important to have. have a podcast or a platform that talk about comeback stories because comeback stories are normally inspirational, you know, uplift and telling people that no matter what you go through, you can come, you can get through it. And I thought that was really important that I,

that me, uh, I tell a story like that because, you know, there's a lot of negativity that's going on in this world right now. Yeah. So just every time, you know, we find a story like Baker Mayfield, them coming back this week or, you know, Tom, yeah, hit Tom, ready deciding to come back and play football again. Just all these stories have like a crazy meaning to them. So I think it's really important to tell those stories. And, you know, Dave, he's a Pittsburgher. He's a Yenzer, so it's always fun to talk with him.

Bro, he is so Pittsburgh. It's crazy. He knows more about y'all's franchises than anybody I've ever met. And he knows football, you know, front to back. So that's going to be a lot of fun. Is there like a guest that you'd like to have on? Like, who's on your bucket list? That's a question that I was.

was actually thinking about the other day because, you know, obviously, Chris, we could have you on there, you know, we could definitely have you on there. Yeah, I don't too. I mean, hey, Rams to the, yeah, my career was sort of a comeback eight years in St. Louis and then ended up on some good teams. So I could grace the microphone with y'all. All right. And then, you know, to me, I would definitely love to talk to, like, LeBron about, like, his comeback when they, when they were down, like, 3-1, just to talk about that series. or having somebody like Tom Brady. I don't know.

You should get Brady to talk about 28 to 3. That'd be the one. That'd be the one. Obviously, he'll want to talk about that after he's done playing. Yes. And then, you know, I think I would love to have, like, Obama on there just to talk about just sports, like how Chicago was before Michael Jordan and then when he came or something.

Yeah. How it changed and then just America. Oh, no. Seems like you got your guest list worked out, bro. We get LeBron, we get Obama. I like this. The thing is, the thing is, you said those are bucket lists. Those are the bucket list, yeah.

I just see if I could get them on there, though. We got to speak this into existence, bro. That's cool, man. And Gino Smith as well, you know, with what he's done this year, I think would be a cool guess because I don't know, man, that kind of, I'm not, no disrespect to Gino. I just did not see this happening. Yeah, no, I agree. So we actually talked, we already had a, like, a podcast about Gino.

Yeah. We already had a podcast about him. And we didn't have him as the guest because it's kind of weird. You talk about your own comeback story in the middle of your comeback, like, especially in the middle of it. So we end up having a beat writer and a reporter that dealt with his story while he was in New York and still understand the story now while he's in the NFL. Yeah.

But I think after the season, Just to talk about what life was like through this whole comeback, having Gino on there, I think it will make a world of a difference. Yeah, it's crazy. It's like a real lesson to people that your surroundings matter, the atmosphere you play and the franchise you play for. And I think, you know, like also there's a learning process. People can change.

You know, he said it himself like, hey, I wasn't as mature or this, that, and the third. You know, we're all pretty immature when you get in the league. And I think there's a lot that they ask of quarterbacks. Like if I was a quarterback, I would not have been mature enough. when I was 23. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I think this has been fun to watch from Gino

and hopefully get more stories like that. I'm really looking forward to the podcast. I asked Dave, I was like, do you got anything on Shazir that I can ask him, like one, you know, controversial opinion that he has or something? And he said that, quote, turkey is a Gen X food? Is that, what does that mean?

So do you like turkey? Yeah, on Thanksgiving. Yeah, but so like, would you prefer turkey or ham or turkey or chicken the chicken that's what I'm saying you know what I'm it yeah so even on Thanksgiving you might still eat chicken over turkey no no chance on Thanksgiving on Thanksgiving wait you're eating chicken on on on Thanksgiving no no no I eat ham I eat ham yeah we have we have ham you had it yeah I guess but over turkey yeah we have ham and turkey I'm gonna have one slice of turkey got it but I'm going to eat ham multiple times

Okay, good. Okay. He's just prioritized on ham. Yeah. So what I'm saying is that, you know, most people in our generation, but I think most of our generation, we don't really like turkey. Like, it's not something that we prefer. That's interesting. But we eat it. Yeah. You know. I mean, you can't tell me shit about turkey on Thanksgiving. That's about it. Some people are going to say this is controversial, Ryan. Some people in the back of the room are nodding their heads. They're like, man, this isn't going to go over a while. There's no turkey on Thanksgiving. No, no, no, I eat it. One slice, yeah, and then two slices.

We have it on Thanksgiving. Like, whoever cooks the turkey, I will eat it. You know, I'm going to respect. Eat it. It's part of the Thanksgiving meal. But I'm not, I'm not asking for seconds of turkey ever. Okay, that's fair. That's fair.

Okay, give me this since we're on Thanksgiving. Dave steered us into Thanksgiving three weeks after fucking Thanksgiving. I'm going to give you, right, what time is the ideal Thanksgiving meal? Like 2 o'clock I agree I agree I don't want this like Wait all day

I gotta starving myself dude Yeah really So it's 2 o'clock And then I always I always get a second meal Like right around Like the fourth quarter Of the game

Or you know like right before The next game start Yeah Okay this is another one Because you're gonna be dealing with Dave So inevitably you're gonna watch him Looking at the lines and the board Have you started gambling yet?

Yeah I'm a gambler But we haven't talked about it much yet And the thing is, I try my best not to gamble on NFL games, because I still know a lot of the guys, so I almost bet emotionally instead of actually ban how I should. I do that too. Man, I like the soft flex with the two Super Bowl champions. Hey, Super Bowl trophies in the back.

It's the only good prop I have up here, bro. It's the only good prop I have up here. But yeah, no, I'm with you. I mean, it's hard. Like, I tried not to bet the Eagles, because I feel like my allegiance to the guys that are playing there is too strong. It'll cloud my judgment.

So you mainly bet college? Are you betting the Buckeyes pretty much all the time? So it's very easy to bet on the Buckeyes, obviously. It's very easy to bet my Buckeyes. But if I do bet, it's more I bet on, like, college basketball or March Madness. Yeah. I bet a lot on that. But I just told my wife, I was like, I'm going to slow down on Fandu.

I had bet and lost like $15,000 on it. I did that the other weekend. I was like, I can't be doing this. Yeah, but you know, it's you got to take the good with the bad, the ups and the downs. You got to hang in there. You got to keep firing. You'll be back, right. You'll be back.

And then when all the guys, when you get old enough like me, I'm 37, so like there's not that many guys that I play with still playing. So, you know, like, I can definitely bet the NFL. Give it a couple years. When they clear out, you'll be back. Yeah, I'll be right. It's like, the fact that, like, T.J. Cam are still playing, I can't bet on the Steelers. You know, so I just, it's really hard for me to bet on the Steelers.

Like, and then for instance, like, I went, I'm good friends with Aaron Donald. So I went to the Rams game with, when Baker and I went in the game. And I was like, yeah, I want to kind of bet with the Rams, but I'm like, I'm not betting with the Rams. They don't have a quarterback right now. Right, exactly. You know, so it's just kind of. So I've had trouble with that too with Aaron because, yeah, like he was my rookie and

kind of watch him grow into this monster. and he's just the best guy ever. Like, people don't understand this. He is just the best, man. Him and Erica are awesome people, and, you know, he's just not what you would expect. Like, if you watch him play football, you'd expect his personality would be one way,

but he's the most soft-spoken, kind of quiet, humble person off the field. So it's hard for me. If I got a bet against the Rams, what do you think he should do? You think, I mean, like, I haven't talked to him about it because I haven't wanted to seem like, hey, podcast, or asking my buddy a question, but next year, I don't know that the Rams are going to be that good.

I feel for him. I hope somebody comes and gets him because if you're the Rams, like, what are you looking at? You don't have a lot of draft capital. You probably don't have a quarterback of Matt Stafford, you know, continues to look the way he looks. I think he's pretty old right now, pretty banged up. I want to see, I want to see AD get freed, man. See, AD just bought a house in California. Oh, God, I know.

Yeah, he just bought a – obviously he's going to be all right. Yeah, he's going to be fine. He's going to be all right. But I think he likes it there. Like, I think if he was to go somewhere else and play football, I think it will be Pittsburgh. Other than that, I don't,

but I don't think, like, we'll have to give up two first rounders, like two first rounders for a 32-year-old, 30-year-old, 30-1, 32-year-old detackle that's already said that he's going to retire some. Yeah, that's true.

I don't know. Like, the stillers aren't willing to do that. You know what I'm saying? So, like, I know that if he was like I haven't asked him this either but if I was him I would just you know continue to collect the bag and stay in LA it's a nice place but yeah they're I don't know if they're going to win next year. Yeah. Especially with Matt Stafford playing the way he's playing. It's going to be tough man so I feel for him and like he you know he they definitely

got the ring but now they're seeing the other side of it with everything they had to get up to give up to get it so it's tough watching them and then yeah if he did if if they did add him to the Pittsburgh group like TJ's getting up there in years. Cams up there in years. I wonder how much longer Cam plays, although he still looks awesome. Yeah. And then you'd have him and that sort of thing. So, yeah, age would be a factor.

How long do you think Cam can play? I mean, because he's, what is he now, 32, 33? Yeah, he's like 32, 33. Like, the thing is, with Cam, I just see how much he work on his body and how much he love football. I can see Cam playing like three, four more years. You know, like, I wouldn't be surprised if he played like three, four more years, like finish his contract out.

And, you know, and then TJ's only like 27. Yeah, yep, yep. He's got one more big deal. He's got one more really mega big deal. Yeah, so TJ's all right. The thing is our team is really young. The Steelers right now, we're really young. Yeah.

Besides Cam. And so I don't see them trading all our draft capital for that. You know, so the thing is, like, I would love Aaron to come here. And we'll probably have the best defense in the league because you can't run the ball. but then we won't have any offense. You know what I'm saying? So, so Chris, this is the thing that I tell people all the time. So even I play the video game.

So I said this happened to the Broncos and now it's happening to the Rams. And I don't think it happened to the Eagles when it happened. But so the Broncos traded everybody to get that Super Bowl. Now the Broncos are like struggling. Yep. You know, and then now the Rams, they traded everybody to get these Super Bowls.

and now, you know, they're in a tough predicament because they paid all this money for all these big time guys and now they're getting old and you don't have young guys to develop now. Well, and maybe Jalen Ramsey's the guy that if you want to get two first for somebody, somebody would still give up two first for a corner in their 20s, right? You know, because I do think they need to recoup some of their...

Like, I think the reason teams struggle after they do that is because they take too long saying, okay, fuck it, we got to hit the reset button. You know, they keep trying to like, you're Rob Peter to pay Paul or whatever, you know, the old folks say. But yeah, not. I mean, like, you're right. It's the same thing.

And the Russell Wilson contract is not going well. So it is not going well. And I wasn't even saying it because Russell, I was saying like when it happened when they got Peyton Manning. Right. You know what I'm saying? So like they traded all these pieces, got all these old guys. And it's nothing wrong with it if you win a Super Bowl. But the reason like Green Bay is always in the mix, Raymond is always in the mix.

Stillers always. in the mix is because they're like, hey, we might make a trade like a trade once in a while for a big time guy. Right. But we're going to just constantly keep developing guys and just stay in the mix, you know, so we're going to see. I don't know. That's right.

That's right. Our Eagles team, we added cheap veterans. Like they added LaGarrett, myself, Tori Smith, Patrick Robinson, who was great as a nickel for us that year. So, like, the model is, yeah, it's make the trade you got to make. but it's adding cheap vets and it's you know it's it's hitting free agency at the right times and that sort of thing not by you know selling the whole farm you know what I mean yeah so I agree and that's why y'all won we should be GMs yeah I'm completely cool with being a GM I just don't

want to do all the dew boy stuff the dovoys stuff that's the truth that's why Jeff Saturday that's why Jeff Saturday found the wrinkle he found the wrinkle you know I mean he skipped right to the front of the line there Yeah, no, no question. If I could figure it out like that, I'm cool. How did, how would you react to the Jeff Saturday thing? Because that, that was like, I think media people were a lot more mad than players, but still, I think as a player, I get why coaches would be upset that, you know,

guys have been in that building, grinding, being NFL coaches. You know how hard that is. And they get leapfrogged. So I always say, like, I always say I was about like 60, 40, like 60, 50, 50, 50, 55, 55, you know, 45. Yeah. And I would say I was more 55, like, happy

for Jeff Saturday. Yeah. And 45 mad like everybody else. And the reason I was more mad and the reason I was more mad is because I'm a minority, so I'm going to be honest. So, like, it's a lot of minority coaches out here that deserve that opportunity that they didn't get it.

You know, but I am happy because I feel there's a lot of coaches that are in the league right now that have not as much experience as Jeff Saturday that are head coaches of NFL teams. Yes. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, and I'm not saying that they're bad coaches,

but I'm going to just use Cliff Kingsbury, for instance. I'm not saying that he's a bad coach, but, like, he wasn't winning in college. He wasn't, he's not been a winner. Right. So just to be able to come in and, you know, get a franchise team while, you know, Jeff Saturday has Super Bowls, he's a Hall of Famer.

He understands what it takes to have a great coach to, like, win a championship. So then the biggest thing is when it comes to coaching, the head coach, basically you're just a manager of a lot of other coaches. So you just have to make sure you lead the guys in the right way and just build good people around you. Then that's why I was happy for them because if you put the right pieces around you and understand how to lead your team, I feel that you can become a great coach. Yeah, it's guys' ego is getting the way when they try to do everything. And like, you know, just to delegate a little bit and that sort of thing, I'm sure, Jeff. had no choice but to delegate because there's a lot that goes into being an NFL coach

that people don't even think about like game management clock management building the week out planning the travel like hey are we can stay on the west coast like all these little things like training he hasn't even started to do the offseason stuff which i think is even almost harder than kind of standing on the sideline and and working with your oces and your dc's and that sort of thing that's where i think the rubber's going to meet the road if they actually keep him around because that's going to be interesting um was was mike tomlin like that was he kind of a delegate So, like, he delegates on things that he, obviously, being an NFL head coach, you kind of know what everybody's doing. But he, I feel like he delegates on the things that he is not as strong at.

You know, so, so Coach Tomlin, he's a, he, he played offense in college, but he's more of a defensive coach. So I think he delegates a little bit on offense more. You know, I didn't, I couldn't tell in the head and said if he was calling offensive players or not, If I can tell it, he can say, hey, said. And so I think he delegated a little bit more on offense, and then he was more interactive on the defensive side. You know, like, kind of how like Bill Belichick is. He's more interactive on the defensive side.

And, you know, he hires a defensive coordinator to do the offense. Yeah, yeah, that is crazy. That is crazy. But I think what Belichick was saying at that point was like, hey, right, they have a winning record. He already knew their offense wasn't the best offense. in the league anyway. Right.

You know, so I think he was saying, hey, if I bring in a defensive guy, he understands what a defense is going to do in this situation. Yeah. So let me see what can happen. And they're not playing great, but they're playing what everybody expected them to play. No, they're in the hunt or whatever people are calling it. And the thing about, you know, grabbing those two defensive court, you know, Joe Judge and Patricia is like they're both New England guys.

So I'm not advocating for the move. But I know that part of Bill is probably like, hey, we want inside guys, you know, because they're so guarded. Like, we don't want to bring in some hot shot coordinator. And then he leaves in a year and tells all our secrets because that's kind of the way they are. And then also, I think they could save money on that thing, too. You know, so it's kind of interesting that he went that route. Mike Tomlin, the other day, did you see the video of him walking through the tunnel? And dude was like, hey, Mike, he was like, him, like, him, like, smile for the camera.

He's, I'm fucking working, dude. That's Coach Tito. The thing is, what I love Coach T is because he, like, he know, like, you know he's all about business. Like, he's all about business. So, like, I remember one time I asked him because I have a good relationship with him, even when I was playing. And I was like, hey, coach, man. Like, and this is before, like, anything blew up with, like, any of the guys. But I was like, hey, coach, like, I think somebody got arrested on another team.

I was like, man, how you deal with, like, NFL guys and you know. that they're going to get in trouble. Like how you like, you know that, and he was just like, hey, it comes with the territory. He's like, you want to be the coach in the biggest league in the world, you got to understand that it comes with the territory. Like guys are going to, like, you're not going to ever have a team where nobody's ever going to get in trouble. Well, statistically speaking, you know, you put 53 grown men in a room out there anywhere,

and there's going to be a couple people who aren't flying straight. And that's kind of the task of being a, you know, running that daycare center. Sometimes. I mean, speak, I mean, like, okay,

A, B, not doing well right now. I don't know what the latest is, but do you think that had he been in Pittsburgh to this point,

we would have kept the band-aid on? Because obviously he's going through some stuff. I think Pittsburgh did a really good job of keeping a band-aid on. And this is one thing that I talked about the upper, like the upper management with Pittsburgh before. There's like the difference between guys when you draft them and then guys when they become free agents or side somewhere else.

Yes. Is that when you draft some, when you drop somebody, you actually put a lot of work in to knowing who that guy is. You know, so, and then you have those guys for five years. So you already know they're good. You already know they're bad. And you understand how to work with them. When you go to somebody else, a lot of times, you know, they're paying you to come work there,

but they're not paying you for all the bullshit that you bring with yourself. Right. You know, so they're less likely to deal with the BS. So I think, I don't know if we would have been able to keep the band on it on this, like, this whole time. But I think in Pittsburgh, they understood A-B. They understood what type of person he was. And they understood, like, hey, let's like how to handle him in a certain way. And not, like, handling him like he's a dog or anything, but just like, hey, like, they understood like, hey, A-B.

Like, sometimes he makes, you know, wild decisions sometimes. So let's try to make sure we pit him in a comfortable. place so he so he doesn't you know do him more often and so i think they would if he stayed in fissburg uh he probably would still be playing right now yeah in my opinion yeah but you know things happen for a reason you know god had a different plan so yeah man i think it is as simple as like pushing the right buttons like the way you put it i forget what it was but i mean like you you know just knowing where guys like this is a this is a you know like a hot button area like don't don't do that around this guy or like don't put this guy in this situation like you know the difference between

and i can remember when i first became a free agent it was kind of shocking i mean it wasn't shocking in new england because i was like this is new england they don't give a fuck about what you did the last place right i remember when i got to philly and i told this story on the podcast before like i got more sacks and anybody on team they had me sharing a locker at the fucking scrimmage the first time in camp i'm like bro they really just don't care what you've done before you got to the place you got in the differences when you get drafted somewhere you're you're like family, you know, kind of. Like they count you like family.

Like, you know, if you have a family member that's fucking up, you're like, oh, he, no matter what, you got his back. This is my family, right? I'm invested in this person. But then when you come in in free agency, it's like, we got a house guest here. Yeah. So I just think, it's like a stepbrother or something. Yes, dude.

Yeah, you didn't get to experience that, you know, and I think you would have played your whole damn career in Pittsburgh, and you're a legend in Pittsburgh now. But, you know, I, you know, the free agent. agency thing is really interesting. And I was always impressed with Mike the way he kept things together. Because I think on any good team, you have to have a lot of big personalities. And teams have to be kind of fucking crazy.

Like, the best E-line rooms I was in were fucking, you know, nut houses, dude. Just like crazy people in there. And it's all about like just doing enough to keep people between the lines and go out and play football and harness that. So I think Mike's as good as anybody when it comes to that. Yeah. Yeah. Like one, I remember. So I remember now.

it's a little bit more tightened up because, you know, like, he just didn't like how guys were handling situations. But I remember before,

like, if it didn't involve winning football games, he didn't care. You know, like some coaches was like, you have to wear Eagles gear,

like in a facility all times. You can't be on your phone in the locker room. You can't be doing this. You can't be doing that. Like, our best year at Distillers

literally, I'll go up to the meeting like this. You know what I'm saying? I'll go up to the meeting like this. You know, we'll be joking around. Guys will be wearing different jerseys. But obviously you'll still, like, have a defense of jersey on.

Like, I used to practice with number one on. Yes. You know, some guys will have, like, the phone in the training room, but they're still getting treatment. And that's the best teams we have. But then, you know, after a while, stuff started to just leak out.

And more people understood it. And it was like, Coach Thompson was like, I have to crack the whip. Like, y'all got to start doing it like everybody else, you know? And he was like, because he said, he was like, if it doesn't, like, if it's not about wins or losses, why does it matter? Right. And I think that's something that, like, new coaches, and he has a luxury.

He's been there a while. So you can kind of build your, like, these are my pet peeves. These are the things that are non-negotiables for me. Like, I've learned that through experience and I have the clout to allow certain things. But, like, some coaches, they just want to piss on every bush. Like, they get in the facility and they're like, know this, know this, know that. I got these stupid rules. You got to tuck your shirt in at practice or what have you.

You know, and like I always felt the same way as like, I'm a professional, bro. Like, I'm going to have fun, but you can bet you're going to get everything out of me on Sunday. And I think that's like a coach has to know not everybody's the same. You know, so you can't have the same rules for everybody. And also some things are just not that fucking important. Bill Belichick, when I got up New England, I was blown away by how free the dress coat was. Like at practice, say dudes are wearing different colored tights

and wearing different jerseys. Like, to your point, he's the greatest coach of all time and he doesn't care about that bullshit. You know, he cares about the, what gap are you in,

bro? Right, he cares about winning. Like, you're wearing all this different shit and you're not doing what you need to do. And he's going to tighten up on you.

But it's like, you can dress up how you want to dress up. Yeah. Just make sure you play football how you need to play football. Exactly. I remember one of the guys was like, yeah, man,

I got fine. Like, one of my good friends was like, man, I got fine 30 Gs for having my phone in my locker. I'm like, what? That's why. Like, how does that even, how does that even help you win a football game?

It doesn't. What are Mike Tomlin's pet peeves, though, before we move on from Mike? No, he's not, he's not a fan of, you know, people being late. So he don't like people being late. Yeah. And then one of the things he doesn't like is, like, he doesn't like to tell people to go. You know what I'm saying? So, and like, I remember in the media, there was saying,

Were you mad at George Pickens for like yelling to get the ball? And he was like, hell no. He was like, I'd rather tell somebody to wold and sick him. You know, I'd rather like pull you back and tell you to calm down. Then actually like, hey, I need you to, I need the dog to come out of you. You know, so he hates trying to like push the dog out of players. All right, that's a good one. Give me the top three dogs you played with in Pittsburgh.

Because that, you and I both know what that word means. It's the highest compliment you can give a guy. So obviously, so T-J was very young when I was there. So I'm going to have to go with obviously, it's hard, man, because on my teams, it was good teams. I was all dogs. So obviously, A-B is one of them, obviously. Cam Hayward on the defensive side, you know, we have been.

But the people that I had to fight with all the time was like Leibion, on the opposite side, Leibon, A, B, and Palsy, Oh, yeah, Pouncey. Yeah, he's extra. He's going to be in your shit. And then on the defensive side of the ball, guys will be like Cam Hayward, somebody that will be like Ike Taylor and then Mike Mitchell.

Like I feel like all those, yeah, all those were like guys that like, you know, like always brought a little bit extra. Vince Williams like that as well. But it's like guys that always brought a little bit extra. And like Coach Tomlin is all for that. Yeah, it's funny when Bill used to get ready for the Steelers. I didn't know this.

Mitchell's nickname was Hitman. Was it Hitman? Or something like that? Yeah. And he used to be like, we got fucking Hitman coming downhill here. And he used to kind of hate the Steelers, but you could tell he enjoyed getting ready for the Steelers.

And he would talk about all the guys and shit. But Pat Steelers, not a rivalry. I mean, it's a rivalry, but the real rivalries are in the AFC North, right? So rank the team. It's a rivalry for people in Pittsburgh.

It's a rivalry for people in Pittsburgh. It is a rivalry. Okay. But it's not on the level of, Yeah, Ravens. Yeah. Who do you hate the most in the AFC North?

The Ravens? Obviously, obviously it's the Ravens. It's definitely the Ravens. It's not even close. But then, so what's crazy is Cincinnati is good at football now. Yeah, it's crazy.

So it used to be Ravens, Brown, Cincinnati. Or Ravens, Ravens, Cincinnati's Browns. And Browns, I just don't understand, like, they have all the time in the world, they just can't win. ever. It's like it's weird. But it's always the Ravens.

Like even last week, we lost to the Ravens when we definitely should have won that game. Yeah. You know, so it's always Ravens. It's always going to be the toughest game. And then the next game will be, right now it'll probably be Cincinnati. Yeah. Do you have a hard time

appreciating Joe Burrow? Or is that easy because he's so good? Or are you just like, I got to fuck this guy, man. Jeez. I think, so the guy that bothers me more is Lamar than Joe Burrow, but the distillers don't have, Lamar is O and four versus Stillers.

Right. So that actually makes you feel better. It makes you feel better. Joe Burrow, it sucks because, like, Joe Burrow has all the weapons. Yeah. So, you know, if Joe Burrow had Lamar weapons, I don't know if we'll be saying the same thing. Like, Joe Burrow has the best receiver core, possibly in the NFL. Yeah.

You know, so. And then he's just a dog. So Joe Burrow, I appreciate great football. I don't care what the business you were there, what time you play for. I appreciate good football. So to me, I worry more about Lamar Jackson because Lamar Jackson is literally a game breaker. So like basically, you can be winning a game. And then Lamar Jackson makes one person miss and now he's going for the races.

You know, so I think that scares me a little bit more than a quarterback because with Joe Burrow, if we get enough pressure on him, then. you know, you can cancel a quarterback out. You know who was the biggest dog on those Ravens teams on offense? To me was Marshall Yonda. Yes. Yes. He's a dog.

He was on your ass, dude. The whole play, just following you around. Like, you would always get a late shove, and I'd be like, what the fuck is this? I know who it is. No, it's definitely, no, I hate him. I hate him. I think he should be a Hall of Famer. Yes, I agree.

I agree with you, especially because, you know, they were pretty damn good, and he was on that team. So, all right, the injury, man, you know, I think a lot of people, do you ever get tired of talking about the injury? You look at it as like a way to, you know, impart some strength on people. I think now it's more I can impart strength on people. But it was a point where I didn't want to talk about it. And, you know, I'm five years away from the injury now. So it allows me to be able to talk about it.

It allows me to be able to provide strength, uplift people. but there was a moment where I was getting tired of talking about it for a while. I wouldn't, yeah. I just felt for you, man, like, I loved watching your play. I loved watching those games. I mean, holy shit, those games were violent. Do you remember what was the most violent memory besides your injury of those games? And did anybody cross the line in those games where you were like, I was a little too much?

My most violent memory was probably when I hit Giovanni Bernard. And the reason I say that is because I didn't actually try to hit him that hard. A lot of people were saying I was trying to be dirty. But you know as a defender sometimes, sometimes you're running so fast at somebody, it's like... Can't slow down. It's like you can't adjust levels either. Yeah, you can't. It just, it was like you, when he got the ball, I was running.

I was trying to get there so fast. And when he made this cut, I was boom, right there. So that was probably one of the hardest hits I ever made. And it wasn't like intentionally trying to hurt him or anything. but it just that was probably one of the most violent plays I've ever ever been a part of so I'll say that play because you could hit people so damn hard like when you hit people like before your injury were you ever concerned about your head or were you did you ever like you got a hard head or something because I'm like damn some of the way you I was like damn this dude because

I know sometimes I'll hit somebody with a run and start and I'm like man I really appreciate what these linebackers do because us we're all like subconcussive blows like you know a foot away from each other just bang bang bang you you always you brought it from wherever you were on the field like were you ever concerned or how did you manage that fear if there was any no so the thing is that's crazy is i i knew that like naturally i ducked my head when i used to tackle so every every single practice after practice like and you can go like guys that play with me there let you know i used to finish practice every single practice like do like uh bag drills go over the bag yeah and then run and tackle the tackle dummy

after literally every practice. Like, except for practices when we didn't have our pads on, like on Fridays and Saturday practices and stuff. But every practice, I would do the tackle the dummy and then try to get my head across every time

because I was just like, get my head across and keep my head up. Because I was like, man, I know I naturally dropped my head. So I was like trying to practice it every single day. And it just, you know, so I went out my way to try to practice it.

And unfortunately, you know, you know, things happen. What do you remember about that moment? The thing that's so crazy about that moment is when I made that tackle, you know how the NFL is trying to make rules where guys have to move their head and adjust how they're tackling. So when somebody's running at you full speed, in my head, I was like, oh, this is a super easy tackle.

It's a drag route. As a linebacker, a drag round is not a hard tackle to make. You know, it was a super easy tackle. And he did a drag ground. And when I was doing a driver, I was running to him. In my head, I don't normally think about how I'm attacking somebody. I just ran up and tacking them. If I were, if I seen the ball exposed, I'm going to run up and just try to strip the ball.

But I didn't really think about, all right, this is how I'm about to tackle him. A lot of times when I made a big hit, I just said, oh, I'm about to hit this new hard. I just hit them. You know, some guys may think that way, but I never did. Right. So when I made this tackle, I was running. And when I made it, I was saying, oh, I think this is a good time for me to actually try to practice on what the NFL is saying, like get my head across and actually get

my head out of the way and try to make a form tackle. So that's the one time of my career I actually thought about how I was going to tackle somebody. Wow. Yeah. Damn, dude. And you, and you, would it burn right away the whole thing or? No, so like basically I just, you know, I hit them and I dropped to the ground and I had like a burning sensation in the middle of my back. You know, from that point on, I just didn't know what to do from then. You just, I thought it was more like a stinger. Like, I had a stinger or something. And, you know, then I went to the hospital. They told me, you know, I was paralyzed and had a spinal cord injury.

Damn, dude. So did you think when you went to the hospital, you were like, I'm not going to walk anymore? Or was it just like, I'm taking it one day at a time? I was more like, I'm taking it one day at a time because I was thinking of it being like a stinger. So if I take it one day at a time, I was in my head, you know, this is very like a serious stinger. So I'm probably going to be back in like a week, two weeks.

I can't walk right now, but I'll be all right. and then I had to have surgery. Then after my surgery, I ended up getting really sick. When I got really sick, and I threw up on my bed, and I couldn't move out of the way and it hit me back in my face. I was saying to myself, yeah, I've heard a lot worse than I think I am, and that's where I started really locked in and say, hey, I need to start locking in on this rehab and get better.

Like accepting that it's going to be a longer process than you thought. Yeah, yeah. How was your mental, man, because like I feel like that happened and we're right at the point now where as athletes like we we talk about this stuff right because like more people are talking about hey you know um I you know I'm anxious about this I might be depressed I might be whatever but I would imagine me going through that that would test every fiber in my body you know not just physically but mentally too and I wonder if you like leaned on anybody from a from a you know did you

did you see somebody? Did you talk to somebody to kind of help you through that process? Not the rehab process. I know that was an everyday grind, but like to take care of your mental as well. It was more of a like I was, I'm a very positive person. You know,

this is your first time meeting me, but I'm a very positive person. So as I was going through my injury, it was just a battle of ups and downs. It was like a roller coaster because with me being a positive, no matter what I was going through, I was still uplifting. I was still just no matter what I'm going to overcome this.

It's not kind of true. They're like going to the NFL. A lot of people say I would not get there and I will overcome it. That's kind of how my mindset was. But I did have moments of depression. I did have moments of anxiety. I was struggling, you know, to watch football. The year I got hurt was the year I was supposed to get my contract.

So to think about that it's the same time I'm supposed to be getting the contract and I see guys at my position making $90 million, $80 million, literally if I play four more games, I would have had that. You know, so that was something that was something that really kind of stressed me out and kind of helped, like, was really tough for me to deal with. But after a while and just understanding what the dynamic was, I was able to overcome it. Man, dude.

And I know I heard stories about Vince Williams being all shook up in the locker room. And just the, and we've been through that because you've seen guys get knocked out and we've seen teammates really fucked up. And, you know, like, it's like, man, it's crazy. We got to go right back out there. Yeah. I mean, I just can't even imagine being your guy. Like if we knew each other and we were teammates, man, I would have a hard time going back out there.

You know, it's, yeah. Yeah, Cam and Vince, it was tough for them when I was dealing with the injury because Vince is one of my closest friends, you know, me and him talk all the time to this day. And we talked almost every day or every other day when I was playing. So, yeah, I was in Vince's wedding, you know, so it was just like, that's, we're really good friends. friends so it just yeah it definitely it shook him up pretty bad I ended up seeing that after the fact you know geez man

in 2018 when you when you walked across the stage bro that had to just be I mean it gave me chills I watched it this morning just to watch it again I mean it's it was incredible I mean it was a year a year out but you're less than a year out from your injury yeah it was less than a year out

and I wanted to do that just to basically tell a lot of people that was praying for me and wishing the best for me, just thank you because I know a lot of prayers were sent out, a lot of love was sent out, and I just wanted just to let people know that I'm getting better, but also just like, thank you for the prayers that you sent out, just the love that you show on me. And just to show that I'm getting better because to me it was like a milestone just to walk out there on the stage in front of a lot of people.

Oh, absolutely, man. And now five years later, what's living with, you know, that injury in the rearview mirror, I'm sure it's still like a part of your life. Like, you know, do you get, how do you feel day to day? And what can you do physically now? So I can do a lot of stuff physically. I can't really, I can't run as if I used to run. I'm in pretty good shape.

I can work out. I kind of do in-home workouts and things like that. But I'm not really a super active guy. Yeah. I just try to stay in good shape. I might do the elliptical or the bike or, you know, know there's a few. I never was a big, like, push weight guy. So, like, to me, to me, I still don't like to do it that much. Yeah, you were always lean. Yeah, I was always lean. So I'm not a

real, I'm not a real big weight guy. So even when me and my wife try to work out, I'm not real fond of working out like that when it comes to pushing weights. Yeah. But I can kind of, you know, work out with my wife. And then just pretty much the everyday things that natural people do, just walk in and, you know, just playing with their kids. And I can do all that. Is it still like, do you feel it up high? Do you feel it down low? Like, where is most of that? Like, damn, my neck hurts today.

So I really don't have as much pain. Yeah. But when I do have it, it's kind of in the middle of my back. I have a little bit of back sorenness. Yeah. But I don't really have much pain anymore, which is a blessing. But like, right now I'm a little bit sore. Yeah.

But I normally don't really have pain, which is a huge blessing for me. Can you get Cairo? Like, is that something, like, you can't get cracked? Or can you get cracked? Like, are there special rules kind of with your injury? Yeah, I can't get camera, but I just have to let them know where I'm having some issues at or where they can't, you know, crack my back at. But I can't get cry over.

Fuck, dude. I need some Cairo right now, and I can't complain. I'm talking to you on the goddamn Zoom. No, no, no. No, I know exactly what you mean because I go through it too, especially when I see one for a while, then I don't see them for a few weeks. You can definitely tell a difference. Yep, no question.

No question, man. Well, I'm glad you're fucking doing awesome, man. I mean, I want to talk to you about Luke Fickle real quick. He was somebody that I know you got to know, and he got the job up at Wisconsin, right? And this feels like a really good fit. Why is it a good fit? And what kind of leader was he?

He's a great leader. And the reason I say that is because the way he loved his players, he's somebody that's going to always put out for his players. He's always going to defend his players. if you're going to throw a jabberist players, you're throwing it at him first. Yeah. And so I know a lot of his players are going to love him for that. I know they're going to, he's going to gain a lot of their trust because of that.

And he's a very blue-collar, hardworking, gritty guy. So when it comes to Wisconsin, that's the type of ball they like to play. Obviously, Wisconsin loves to run the ball, so he's going to have them being a very physical, hard-running team. I'm going to be, I can almost guarantee that his team is going to be kind of constructed how the Tennessee Titans are. They don't have a Derek Henry, but I can definitely see them being constructed how the Tennessee Titans are in the way they play ball. That's definitely, he's got a lot of Rable in him. I mean, those two guys. I mean, yeah, and Ravel's man.

Yeah, you can tell he's, Ravel's awesome. Were you surprised by the struggles Urban had in the pros? You know, thinking about your college coach, I know you committed to him, and then he came back in Coach Ohio State. I know it's really hard for college coaches to project like Matt Ruhl's struggle with it, but urban struggles were pretty big. Were you surprised by that? So the biggest reasons I knew that it was going to be a little bit up and down for Coach Meyer is because Coach Meyer and Coach Saving, and there's nothing wrong with this,

but a lot of successful pro-coaching college coaches, they have a lot of control over like the players. And I'm not saying this in a bad way, but I think when you're younger, you need somebody that's kind of telling you what to do, kind of having an eye on everything you do. And in the NFL, you don't have as much say on the guys on what they do. And if somebody is a starter and they're not playing, if they're making a lot of money and they're not playing, you have to ask a lot of other questions. And to me, I feel that's not, that wasn't Coach Mario's strength. I feel his strength is more dealing with guys that he can touch a little bit more to mold them a little bit more because by the time they get to the NFL, they're molded already. So in the NFL, you don't get as much, in the college, you don't get as much pushback

from the players as you do in the NFL. So I can definitely, I can see that's kind of why he might have some struggles. Last question for Ryan Chazir, been real graceful with time. Kenny Pickett, is he the guy? I think he might be the guy. What do you think? You watch him just as much as me and more. I think Kenny Pickett is a guy.

And the reason I say that is because if Kenny plays this game this week, I'm not saying anything bad about Mitch, but we would have won this game. Yep. And the reason I say that is because Kenny is starting to get a better relationship with his receivers. He's starting to trust the receivers. he's starting to trust his O-line. He understands when he's in trouble. Obviously, the play he got hurt, his O-line didn't block a soul.

Right, right. But it happens. It's part of the game. But I think Kenny is the guy because after the bow week, he wasn't turning the ball over. He's understanding how to get everybody involved. Yep. If a receiver is mad, he's like, all right, I'm going to make sure I get you the rock. I'm going to, you know, if somebody is upset, I'm going to get you the rock.

So he's doing a better job of that. that I just think that he needs to just have a little bit more protection around him. If he has protection around him, we have the weapons. Deonté Johnson and George Pickens. Man, George Pickens is a dog. He's incredible. He's a really good player. Pat Friar move, I think, in two or three more years, it's going to be a top five tight-in,

if not already a top-five tight-in. And then, Najee Harris, you can see in the back half of the year, he's running the ball a lot better. At the beginning of the year, he was hurt. The back-half of the year, he's running a lot better. So our offense is getting along. We just have to have a better running game. If we have a better running game, I think Kenny Pick is the guy because he understood what were bad plays,

what were bad throws, what were mistakes that he made in the first half of the season, and I don't think he's going to make those anymore. Yeah, I think getting more out of Najee Harris, who's already giving you a lot, but at times I know the fans have been impatient, you know, but the situation hasn't been perfect for him. You know, it wasn't perfect his rookie year,

and it's definitely not perfect now. So I look forward to seeing him getting some more burn, and then I do think Kenny Pick is a guy. I like all the intangibles. Ryan Shazir, appreciate the time. You got to check him out on Don't Call It a Comeback with Dave Damashek, my good friend. These guys, man, I never met Ryan, but he's the fucking man, dude.

I appreciate you. I'll come on the show anytime, dude. I appreciate you, Chris, man. Yeah, yeah, man. Talk to you soon. You know, I'm not an athlete anymore, per se. I did just join a softball league, but I'm a podcaster.

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I am, are you? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was hoping to discuss it with a qualified individual. Well, you'll have to settle for me. Do what we can do. So I didn't realize until recently that Mike White, who is the director and producer of White Lotus, is also in School of Rock.

You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. Schneebly he's Ned Schneebley because I was like damn this dude looks fucking familiar because I was watching the post finale you know discussion they have with like some of the actors and actresses and stuff those are kind of fun

and yeah so Mike White but I'm a really big fan of his I really like that show I thought it was a very enticing show great finale really want to know your thoughts all right spoilers incoming for anybody listening out there spoilers incoming

God I was happy for those prostitutes. Yeah, I saw a really funny tweet today. It was my girl, Lucia, and it was like the lyrics for Monster, you know, where Cardi B, or who is it? No, sorry, it's Nikki Minaj. She's like 50K for a verse, no album out. But like, yeah, they, the end scene with them, like, you know, arm and arm just fucking living the dream.

Yeah, and then they show that dude. And they show that dude who had like allegedly been her pimp or whatever. and then he's just like chilling there and it's her friend that was such a great shot yeah i mean she was pretty vocal the whole time about how you know she was going to take take the digrasse the digrasso man for for everything they're worth and uh she did it i think that actress is going to become popular in america she'd only done italian stuff her name is simona tabasco yeah she was good she was really good i thought all the acting was really good you know the italian actors valentina um She was really good, too.

I didn't like her as much as the manager from season one, but that guy's a legend. Armand. What, uh, what did you think about the, you know, kind of the biggest climactic scene, Matt? So I was sad to see Tanya go down, but I liked the way that they did it. It was all kind of like believable. And like, first of all, we're all wondering, like, what body are they going to find? in the water right and so they start with the fight between uh Cameron and uh the other guy and you're like wait a minute is this the body that they're going to find in the water so there's like

that little bit of mystery with that but a lot of red herrings all she's long yeah yeah good word um and then like tanya throughout the show has been kind of like aloof and unaware but she figures out what's happening and she like makes a good decision and grabs the bag and like takes it into her own and then just the way she goes down is just unfortunate. I mean, it's so darkly funny. Right, exactly. I wanted to see Tanya make it out, but I think I kind of had a sneaking suspicion it was going to be her.

And then I got deep into the, you know, the White Lotus Twitter stuff. And there's some really good comparisons where, you know, when Albi and the grandpa and Dom and stuff were doing the Godfather tour in the car. Yes. The same dress, you know, Tanya was wearing that same dress. later so it was a little bit of foreshadowing but like they put oranges out at various times which like in the godfather when you see an orange there's death incoming but like it wasn't clear if that was

like a distraction or intentional or what yeah so i loved it and then the i mean i was sad to see tani go but i'm i kind of laughed when she fell and just that thunk you know of her head in the boats like just you know like she killed like three guys and then she like comes out of the comes out of the room and the boat just blasting. And the first thing she asked, Quentin, is like, you know, do you think Greg is having an affair is just so fucking funny. Like, the dude's, like, sitting there dying, blood's gurgling out of his mouth. And, like, she just killed his ass.

And all she wants to know is if Greg is having an affair when it's, like, pretty clear that he set her up. Yeah. And I love how they had, like, just one character. Art continued from season one to season two. I wonder if they would do that again. And if so, like, which. character you'd like to see in season three.

Yeah. And then the other, the other thing, too, that's funny is, like, Portia and Jack, like, so many red flags with this fucking dude. And the one that finally kind of wakes Porsche up, because she's so clueless, is the fact that he didn't have Instagram on his phone. Yeah. Like, she couldn't find his Instagram. And then her alarm bells are going off, you know? It's like, oh, my God.

She was a little slow in recognizing what was happening, I'd say. The hilarious line, too, from Jennifer, from Tanya. she's on the phone with portion. She's like, yeah, she's kind of fucking his uncle. Like, I just killed me. But I thought they did a good job of making a couple things ambiguous. You know, like, did Harper and Cameron hook up? Did they not hook up?

You know, did Daphne and Ethan hook up? Did they not hook up? Like, what's going on here? And Mike White says he doesn't know either. Yeah, that kind of makes it fun to talk about. I think they all were fucking. you know um but it's interesting you know the fact that the the abbey plaza's name or husband that's that's Ethan right he wasn't interested in her until Cameron wanted her you know and it's just

I think it's funny so anyway I really love that show there's a lot of good shows out right now happy to discuss that I don't know if this any of this is going to make it on the pod but it's I don't know either I don't know if you can see it right now but we have a brand new podcast desk here and it just makes me really happy that I got to sit at it before making nice dude break that bad boy in you want to play a quick game real quick yeah what you want to play all right so you can only keep one i'll give you or sorry one has to go we'll call it start bench or cut so i'll give you three things you got to choose one you're going to start which means like it's in your regular rotation one you're going to bench you go back to it and one you're going to cut it's never again cool

All right. Airplanes, trains, and cars. I mean, you've got to start cars, right? You got to cut trains and you got to bench planes. Okay. Airplane, I mean, just for, like, I'm just talking about just for ease of, you know, getting around. Like, you kind of use the car the most in America. That's how it goes. But if there's better, you know, train, I love a good train ride.

You know, I think Chris was telling me he took the train to Philly from Virginia, but I don't have access to a lot of good trains. Yeah, he says it's one of his top three relaxation places. All right. Yeah, because you're only going one spot, you know. Netflix, HBO Max, Amazon Prime. Tough. Very tough.

All right, I'm going to cut Netflix. Oh. Yeah. Shocker. Who you starting? I don't know. I might need to look. Like, what's on HBO Max?

There's something on HBO Max right now that I'm loving. Amazon Prime has had some good shit. shows, though. The peripheral. It's very good. I think I'm probably going to start HBO Max. I'm an HBO Max loyalist. They've been kind of fucking up the streaming content lately, which is annoying. I just read that they're going to take Westworld off. Which I'm fucking annoyed about because I like that show and they discontinued it. But a lot of rumors about HBO Max potentially going away, but I think they have the best streaming service. They're trying to combine it with some discovery stuff. There's a comedy on there called The Sex Lives of

college girls. It's a great show. It's Mindy Kaelic. Yeah, I love that show. She is such a good writer. Like, when you go back, she wrote the most episodes of the office of anybody. And now this show that's like, I think clearly at least in part based on her own experience in college is so funny. There's another couple of good shows on HBO right now that I've been fucking stoked about. So anyway, start HBO Max, cut Netflix. Netflix has not been doing it for me lately. They actually did like Wednesday. It's kind of a guilty pleasure. Oh, his dark materials. I'm stoked on HBO Max.

I'm stoked on that. And then obviously, Wait Lotus we talked about. And then low-key sleeper pick is the established home with Gene Stouffer. Is an interior design show from a designer that I really like. So check that out. And I actually think Amazon Prime has some decent shows right now, too. But Netflix has not been scratching that age for me lately. All right.

one more to the uh candy czar here at green light milky way twix three musketeers start twix cut milky way bench remusketeers oh okay you want to know why sure milky way's boring man that's just that's the bottom line it's a staple but it's boring three musketeer is really good and the nougat part is great but you can't just like crush a whole bag of fun size three musketeer twicks you give me like a sleeve of twix you know they come in these long sleeves i could just sit there and fucking you know right twix left twix in my mouth fucking till the till the cows come home that's funny i'm not even a huge chocolate guy either but you know milky way is supposed to be a knockoff of like the mars bar the original mars bar but it's weird because mars is named after a person but milky way is trying to copy the

idea of like mars the planet oh yeah Nice. That's a good fun fact. Yeah. Has your pulse come down to a normal level at this point? Kind of, dude. I'm still feeling like my fucking little out of breath. Had some thrilling pickleball games, though. Playing at a high level right now, Kingston.

Nice, dude. Well, when you come to Charlott, we'll have to get some pickleball games in. Everybody here has been hot to trot. I don't know if any of us will be able to beat Dr. Fax, who's been talking a lot of smack about his abilities. Oh, God, I'll fucking whip his cheeks, dude. My friend