Green Light with Chris Long - Ryen Russillo! NFL MVP Race, Heisman, NIL & CFB Coaching Carousel, & Mailbag!

Episode Date: December 7, 2022

(2:00) - Chris, Kyle & Ryen talk NFL Storylines, MVP Front Runners & College Football Coaches. (25:36) - Mailbag with Ryen Russillo: Best Historical Figure as Podcast Host, Favorite Athlete Moments & More! (51:34) - Chris & Kyle Extra Mailbag Fun! Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b   Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42   Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1   Green Light with Chris Long:   Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. https://www.greenlightpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And in Michigan, 1-800-2707-1-17. Tennessee, y'all 2. 1-8009-9-9. The Greenlight podcast welcomes you. Ryan Rosillo joins Chris and Kyle today. A good old-fashioned mailbag show with some NFL topics. We have a good bit of fun. We talk best historical figures who would make good podcast hosts,

favorite athlete-owned moments. And Ryan tells a couple stories y'all enjoy. If I can make a Frankenstein of the sexiest bald men in America, I'm going to, I got Rissillo's pecks and Kyle's head. It's got a perfectly shaped bald. head and now they're together for the first time on the green light pod. What's up, Rai? I got to tell you, a big cat sent us a video of you the other day to Chris and I, and I was

like, God, he looks good. You've been looking good. I don't know what's going on with you. You look jacked. I'm just checking you out here in the monitor and studio, and I'm just envious of the deep V. You got some dressage on the necklaces. You're looking swall as well. Yeah, we'll talk about his chain.

We'll talk about his chain a little bit. That's got a little history. He's a big, he's a big, he's like a diamond hunter. He really knows how to go into these diamond shops and shake these people down. Yeah, it was a, it was a long negotiation. I still have no idea. I think I may dress up just go full mustache with like a bowler on and then try to sell it to them to see what they say.

Like I'm actually thinking about doing this just to see what happens and how bad the transaction ends up being historically. You know, when the show. shows when antiques go and they like barter and they try to get the best like old Coca-Cola sign. You need a show at the ringer where you go and try to negotiate

people down on on chains and such. I like it. I don't know. I don't know if I'm the guy. I don't know if that's my demo. I found myself, I didn't watch those shows a lot. But I think it was the American Pickers guys that annoyed me the most. And I think Van Pelt

taped an ad with them back when we were doing the radio show. But he goes, dude, He goes, I taped this ad. And I was like, yeah. I was like, what's up with those guys? And Van Pelt goes, we wouldn't hang out with him. I was like, that's not shocking. But I always got a little annoyed.

Like, they'd find some guys, like, you know, a mobile oil sign from the 20s. And the guy would be like, seven bucks, you know? And like, he knows he's ripping this old guy off. I want it. I want it. And the heartland, you know what I mean? Like, you can't do this to these people. And they made a TV show about these guys driving around.

van being like let's lowball all these old people and steal their shit yeah no one felt bad the guys like yeah i got my foot amputated uh last year i don't have the money to pay my medical bills but things have been all right around here okay five dollars for the for the exon sign like fuck dude that is exploitative i never thought about it i never thought about it yeah i don't know what honestly i think the show should have been less popular be like all right i lost my arm and w w i i i but i was able to you know, grab these seven helmets from Normandy, be like, oh, two bucks, two bucks a piece. Exactly.

Dude, this is the second show we, at least I've been a part of shitting on. We'll talk about Seinfeld in the mailbag section today because I had a revelation, Ryan, I'll share it with you in a little bit. These Seinfeld fans are out of control. All right, uh, Ryan, I want to talk a little sports before we get to this mailbag. As a background, when we get to the mailbag, I was just, I was lost today. I've got a couple of mailbags for Ryan, Kyle. But, you know, like my wheels are spinning.

I have like writers block, podcasters block. Right, do you ever get podcasters block? I do. Opens are are tough because I always wanted to be really good, those opening monologues. And then I'll always remind myself, be like, hey, remember when you had to do like four or five of these a day for a radio show? Yeah. Like you should be able to deliver on a good 10 minute opening for the three that you do each week. But there's some mornings you'll wake up and you go.

What am I going to say by myself for 10 minutes? Well, the problem is, and I've never done the radio thing, I've done it as a guest. And when I go on a show as a guest, I never stress about anything because people are just asking me questions. And you know that imperfection is kind of baked into the whole experience. It's live. But then when you have a podcast, you're like, I want to get all my points in. I want to be perfect. I want to transition well from this thing to the next thing.

And I got to say, man, I'm not jerking your chain here. No pun intended. Your monologues are fire. Like you got you got some strong you got the best monologue game in the game. So I just wanted to give you that compliment. I just got it. I think. Huh?

Yeah, good monologues. A lot of injuries. A lot of injuries. Same. Yeah. All right. So hit us. Did you hit Trent Dill for getting the job at UAB in one of your monologues?

He's a buddy of yours. He's come on your show a lot. I enjoy hearing him on the Ryan Rusillo show. But now he's the coach at UAB. this come out of nowhere. Did you know about this? I didn't. I mean, I always thought he was going to end up being a GM. So we just talked about this yesterday on the podcast because we have him on every other Monday. And then I was like, is it done? He goes, no, I'd still like to do some stuff. But, you know, immediately, like the first thing you do when you get a head coaching job is you tell everybody you're

recruiting because I guess that's what you, I mean, he was already on it this weekend. So, you know, he wins another state title at the end of last week and then he's recruiting for UAB. I did not know he was taking the gig at UAB. Whenever I talk to him, again, we're buds, but we're not like, you know, we're not checking in with each other constantly like, hey, what's up with your life? But I thought maybe he was going to be a little more geared towards the front office because I know that he had been offered some stuff and I think he'd be really good at it because I just think he's passionate.

I think he cares and he's crazy competitive. But he said on the podcast with his gesture, he goes, I need a whistle. I need to be yelling. I need to be teaching. I think he loves working with younger guys. So he's an on-the-field. guy. Like whatever you have in you, he was not ready to ever go upstairs, even if that was probably a faster path to becoming like a GM and making that kind of money. So he wanted to stay in the

South. I think any of us that have traveled anywhere for college football, like when you are going to a UAB, even though it's not a Power 5, if you can nail it there, then he probably eventually, because I just assume everybody wants to keep getting more competitive and figuring out how they would do against the best of the best. Maybe his map in his head, and I'm just assuming that's, things here is he's like, look, if I can do well at UAB here, then who knows, as opposed to maybe taking like a Dion where good for him, but that's one of the toughest. It's a tough job. Yeah.

Like, it's, if you think about Colorado now, it's probably one of the five toughest power five jobs, and I'm probably being nice. What do you think the other like three or four are? I mean, and don't mention Virginia. Vandy's tough. Yeah. Vandy's really tough. I mean, you can talk about, okay, cool, you're in the South, but you just.

it's not the same. It's not that you're competing against these other people where it's their religion. You know, when these other big SEC programs want to get rid of a coach, they just call up the guys being like, are you good for a million? And they pass the hat and the coach is out of there. And then they hire the next guy. Like, they don't fuck around. Not to say that that wouldn't happen, you know,

at an Ohio state or some of the other top programs, other spots of the country. I think Stanford's a really challenging job right now because it was pretty clear they were way behind as a university on understanding. the transfer portal. And I think Shaw even alluded to that a little bit, being like, hey, if we're going to do this right now, like this transfer portal stuff, man, like it's changed it.

You need a GM, you know, for a college program, of keeping on top of everything and evaluating the next guys. And however the game works of hitting at a dude who's already to another school, I know that's sort of the unwritten rule you're not supposed to be doing that. But, you know, it's all works. I wonder if Trent's bringing Louis luggage to Birmingham. He's probably coached some of those guys. Yeah, no.

You know, the Stanford job, I think Bronco Mendenhall is in the conversation for that job. And I think Bronco did a really nice job here. It's not an easy job in Charlottesville. And he did a good job. And he bumped his head on the ceiling here a little bit and discovered, I think, some of the challenges and got a little burnout. But, you know, like, he would be a good candidate out there. You want somebody who's not your typical college. head coach. I think he's a little bit different. He could, he could hang there. And the thing about

Stanford that sucks for everybody that takes the job from here on out is they caught lightning in a bottle two coaches in a row. Like Harbaugh was awesome and then Shaw was great too. So they made it look easier than it is. They got to embrace the NIL stuff. They have to embrace the transfer portal if they want to be competitive. Okay, Rye, how about the Heisman stuff? People are making a big deal about the Blake Corum omission in New York. Are you as outraged as everybody else? Does it even matter? I mean, he's not going to win the award.

Yeah, this is always kind of a funny exercise, especially when we do this with MVP's for the NBA. It's like, hey, this guy needs to be in the conversation. You're like, why? So he, like, I need to make sure I mention somebody who's definitely not winning. Okay, cool. Like, great year from this guy. Running backs are screwed now, you know?

I there's no more important position right we I think we all agree on that so it's just tough when a quarterback puts up the numbers that they put up now like do you know what you would have to do at running back to win that thing I'll tell you we grew up right it's it's Derek Henry in 2015 he ran for over 2,000 yards like that's what it takes and then ingram in 09 and then he ran for 2000 in the NFL and he didn't win the MVP right exactly so you learn the lesson of both levels but like yeah it's kind of fucked up but like yeah it was 2015 i think he had he had 2,200 yards and uh in in 2015 and beat out mcalfrey and watson so he had to beat out like great players to win that but he he needed over 2,000 yards and then ingram in 2009 interestingly

rye it was ingram who beat out gerhart garhart was the runner up dude garhart had like 1,200 yards on an 8 and 5 team or whatever it was like 7 and 5 team so white rhino yeah the white rhino which i think helped him get more votes but yeah like uh yeah to your point you're not going to win this award if you're a running back chances are it's been 18 at the last 20 um or whatever it is quarterback no and i really think USC's like 500 without california williams i agree okay and i don't look at like i don't look at the pack 12 championship game and go okay now my vote for kela willens is going somewhere else yeah you know i don't know how that happens where you did you watch what happened and how hurt he was. I mean, it just sucks that slide to the sideline of like all the things

that could have gone different if he had just veered out and, and for him to get hurt like that and he was hurting the rest of the way. SC was not a great football team. The defense wasn't very good. They live and die with takeover or takeaways. They were great. You know, usually that stuff, you know, it's a tough thing to bank on like, oh, we're just going to be in the positive on takeaways for years. Like, not really. It's, you know, fumble recoveries or luck. Tipped passes on interception. A lot of that stuff is luck. And SC was really lucky with that because the defense had moments, so they couldn't stop

anybody. And I don't know. I mean, look, without Caleb, they're probably six and six. Right. Yeah. No, it's impressive what he was able to hide there a little bit. Even with all the talent infusion they had, like, through the portal,

they still wouldn't have been the team they were without him. And I kind of wonder if the MVP is the same way in the NFL now. It's like, it's based on more because of the media and the way we talk about things like every day and like RG3 has a new like these are my top three MVP candidates like on Tuesday and then on Thursday and then you know like it changes from Tuesday to Thursday. Yeah, pretty much.

That's what I mean. I'm exaggerating. I'm making the point that like we parse it too much. And you know, it used to be with the MVP. I think at the end of the year, you're just like, okay, where are the numbers? Let's look at the team. Let's watch the tape. But now it's like, hey, this guy played bad this game.

There's storylines every week. He had a moment. Yeah, it's like you have a Heisman moment here. You have an MVP moment here. So it's interesting. Joe Burrow, you know, going and out playing Patrick Mahomes this past week, a lot of people are going to say, well, hold on a second. Patrick Mahomes isn't the top MVP candidate.

I'd love to know who you have as your top three for MVP in the NFL right now. I'm not off of Josh Allen. You know, that's kind of like I make this joke about quarterbacks. It's like other than the five or six best ones, and then the worst five or six, the rest of them, like, depending on how you feel, you'll be right, just give it a week. You know? Like, you can go, this guy stinks,

and then he can have a good game, and then he's probably going to have a bad game. He'd be like, see, I was right. I mean, it's so when the back and forth of the week to week, which is what we do. I mean, we talk about all this stuff for a living. Somebody had to do a radio show. We talk about college football,

and we're like, you know what's not a great topic? Because college football will figure itself out. Like, that doesn't work. He can just sit there and go, week two, Hey, who do you think of win a title? Get back to me in December. All right. What are you doing for the 15 hours this week?

So we get why we do it, even if it feels like, you know, Josh Allen has the red zone issues, you know, the Jets game, the Vikings game, and you're thinking, okay, well, I can't. Like, you're not eliminated. You may fall behind guys and you're not eliminated because I think he means so much to what is still what I think is the best team in the NFL. So that's part of it. I'm it took me longer than it should have but what jalen hurts has become is so fucking impressive man

because like I might be different as an NFL voice because I watch so much college so when you watched a lot of Jayland in college it was a lot of one read and I'm out of here you know and I don't like quarterbacks that kind of default to run because to me like when young guys come in and everybody gets excited and like oh look how much this guy's running around. It's like, yeah, that's because he has no idea what else is going on. He's like, well, this will work. Just relying on athleticism. Yeah.

Yeah. But that's not like a long-term solution to it. And what Hertz has become now is somebody that will make challenging throws. He trusts his receivers. And the run for him is just this additive where I felt like it was a default. That stuff at the goal line, like, what are you supposed to do when it's like, okay, Hertz can keep it. He can inside handoff.

There's a guy streaming across the back, streaking across the back of the, the end zone. And then Devante Smith ends up just standing in front of him because he's wide open because there's all this other eye stuff going on. So I think Jalen is definitely in that conversation. It's tough to write off Mahomes. I think Burroughs part of it too. I'd love to pick a non-quarterback one year, but it's just hard to make the argument. Yeah, I mean, it is just, it is a quarterback award. I mean, we say MVP and we talk about who adds the most value to a team. And you got to say, it's the quarterback. It's, yeah, it's impossible. The way the award is named. At the highest level, at least. I mean, like, it's basically EPA.

There's the Derrick Henry argument, which makes sense to me, and I consider him to be the MVP for their team, but for the other 31 teams, it's usually the quarterback. Well, it's basically like trying to assign EPA to a player on a team, right? Like, it's like, hey, and by definition, what he mentioned with Jalen strengthens his case a great deal because, like, you are legitimately adding value in the low red, a very valuable part of the football field for an offense,

and that is a value you don't have. with other quarterbacks. So, like, yeah, you're evaluating Jalen Hertz on how he throws a deep ball, you know, the way he goes through his progressions, you know, how he scrambles, how hard he is to sack, his leadership, the whole thing.

Like, he checks all those boxes. But then when you get in the red zone, he adds something to Joe Burrow absolutely can't. And Patrick Mahomes can't even. Joe Burrow flashes it a little bit sometimes. He gets a little sexy with the legs, but he's not a threat in the same way that Jaylor lives. No way.

No way. Scamatically it dictates you can do all these things. So my top three right now are, you know, it's Mahomes, it's Joe Burrow, and it's Jalen Hurts, not in that order. Just like, again, I hate to do this to Ryan, but like check back with me in five weeks. You know, like, Allen's right on the outside of that, even as bad as he's played. Because one or two vintage Josh Allen games away where we're like, God, he's just physically different. His highsman moments.

Yeah, he's going to have his. So, you know, I think the thing that people don't think about with Buffalo is the line between them being an offense where you're like, eh. And yeah, they're high-powered is Stefan Diggs. You know, like outside of the quarterback. So the offensive line's not great. The run game's been good. Kromer's help. Cook had a great week last week.

The whole thing. Gabe Davis is the number two, but I think we got a little bit inflated on his value. He's a mold here recently. Because of that playoff game last year. You know, Knox is a nice piece, but it really is Josh Allen doing a lot of shit there. So, yeah, interesting conversation.

Check back with me in five weeks. Can I ask Kyle this? Yeah. I felt at one point watching Michael Parsons destroy everybody's plan that I go, like I was almost motivated, and I brought it up on the pod, I don't know, a few weeks ago where I go, like, why can't he do this? If you're this game wrecking edge guy, like what is that like from your perspective, Kyle, of how much somebody like that changes?

Is it fair? Is it worth bringing him up? Or is that sort of a social media creation? No, I mean, a guy like Micah Parsons, we call him, you know, game wreckers. game plan ruiners, and not only do they ruin your game plan, but you still have to take the entirety of the week to put points of emphasis within the install on, hey, we have to know, I'm just going to use 99 as a number because Aaron Donald, obviously, we have to know where 99 is, you know what I'm saying? We have to know where he is at all times, and every single one of

our plays is schemed up as such where somebody's going to be hitting him below the legs, somebody's going to be chipping him on the way out. We have to keep eyeballs on him when he covers, and you know in the naked game, a guy like Micah can eliminate naked from your game play. Yeah, we're not booting out. Can't boot. Can't boot. We might boot left.

And we might have to go check polar, which a lot of times is opposite. Polar opposites. Check, check, polar, polar. Now we're naked the other way. Everybody knows because of the alignment of where Mikea is. That's what Dan Quinn gets to deal with every week. He has to fucking like, he's got a special operator on his team.

And you might be on, yeah, it's easy to check, but you might have a look to one side of the field. you might be on a hash, you might be, you know, so it does definitely affect the way. If a player takes meeting time up, that is value. And a lot of times we say there's two trains of thought here, one of which is we're going to see how bad Michael wants to play football. And we're going to run everything at him. We're going to give him everything except the kitchen sink.

We're going to throw at him. And then the other train of thought is what I was alluding to earlier, which is stay away from him, respecting him. and there's adjustments within the game depending on how your your initial plan was but yeah he's a game wrecker now or you could do option three which Nick Siriani who's a fucking genius

my picture coach of the year I hope that bet cash is it pays out pretty well he's like yeah let's not block him let's just Monday night football that was one of the wildest things that I'd seen was like hey we're just going to end as an edge player I can tell you that works

making a guy who respects his keys go through his progression and that slows him down and I thought that was a really interesting wrinkle to throw at him and it'll be interesting to see what they do to him on Christmas. That raises a really good point. That's a really good point

and it makes me think of something that we had to deal with with guys like Clay Matthews and we've dealt with with T.J. Watt and players like that, the spinner look, which is where that defensive end comes off the ball and he moves over the A gap, B gap. He can be in either of those gaps,

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Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. All right, so it's time. I'm so tired of talking about football guys. You know, like we did a really good job there. Hopefully people that came for analysis, their thirst is quenched. Now we've got to do a mailbag. Now we've got to fuck around.

And I'll start here. We got a little bit of everybody here, but I'll start with this one. Okay, this is a Mike White moment, right? You got people coming to the game in Mighty Ducks jerseys. They've got Mike White T-shirts. Fans love Mike White. Mike White is popular right now. we know it's probably not forever could be he could be kurt warner he could be 6 5

kurt warner with a fade um but chances are like the world moves on at some point what are your favorite athlete moments and i'll give you mine as like you know somebody that owned a moment but but then the world kept on moving for me it was jeremy lynn it was lynn sanity i'll never forget that i'm a nix fan i had a lynn sanity cut off t-shirt i'm down in the caribbean and I'm watching at a beach bar with Meg. And, like, he just owned that moment. It was crazy. You knew he wasn't the answer, and the Knicks weren't that good.

But it was fun to watch. He was entertainment, for sure. Yeah. And things, the world moved on. He had that and one kind of swag about him, too. Then he grew, like, dreadlocks and. Somebody got mad at him. Yeah, somebody got mad at him.

And he was like, what's that tattoo on your arm? Yeah. But in that moment, Jeremy Lynn was the fucking man. So who is your Jeremy Lynn? Another part of the Jeremy Lynn story was when he went down to play the heat after it had been going off for a little while. LeBron and Wade were fighting over the chance to defend him. Like they wanted to just destroy him. It was very weird.

It was like, hey, we're going to, we don't even care if we win. We want to humiliate you and play the hardest defense in a regularist. Is that like Tony Kuk coach as well? Is that what they did with Tony Kooch? They wanted to get his ass. They jumped him into the gang. Uh-huh. Hey, now, now, so.

You guys ever been jumped in? Yeah, yeah, to the NFL, it took eight years. Yeah, still. I was in St. Louis. No, but honestly, if LeBron was on the pod, we know this wouldn't be his answer. It wouldn't be Jeremy Ling. Kyle, do you have one, Brian? I have one, Ryan.

You can think of him while I'm saying this, but I remember, I don't remember the exact year, but Peyton Hillis was on the cover of the cover of Madden. It's exactly right. And, you know, the drills and the training was probably a lot of fun in that game, and it was probably a great year for Peyton. And then I think he kind of faded into obscurity as it pertains to elite status in the NFL. Man, he really did own that moment. He had the cover of Madden.

He was just Jack. Patrick Mahomes, Peyton Hillis. He was just jacked Liver King looking as running back. And he ended up on the cover of Madden. Like if you go back through, ask a 21-year-old put all the Madden covers in front of him, 2000 to 2002. to ask how many of those 21-year-olds could name who that guy in the Browns uniform is. Three out of 100?

Yeah, I don't think there's, it's an anomaly, right? There's been nobody else that's really flashed for you. No, running backs have had little moments, but not white guys on the juice. As Madden covers goes, that's the most, that's an anomaly. That's the rogue wave. In addition to that story, I was at ESPN, and back then there was a team. TV show that had a deal with EA. ESPN had like, you know, really good relationship with EA Sports. And they would do the Madden release cover for this TV show. And so I'm in Connecticut,

getting my day started. And they're like, Calhard may have had a heart attack. Can you cover for him today? What? Like, wait, what? They're like, and seriously, his show's about to start in like 35 minutes. And I'm getting out of the shower and I go, okay, whatever. Throw on whatever I can throw on. I can get to ESPN at 25 minutes from my house. I walk in and I do a live three-hour show with no idea that I was doing it. Okay. And then on top of that, his TV show, they were like, Today's the Madden Release party covered deal. So you're going to do that TV show too because Cowherd's out. And now he had chest palpitations. He was fine, but like people were freaking out. Like did Cowherd died today? I didn't know this about Cowherd. The other part of that was that with Peyton, it was, it was

Mike Vic. And it's not that hard to figure out, but the other co-host did not want to engage with Mike Vic the entire show because he had just gotten out. And so the producers are like, you're going to be Mike Vic's best friend all day and you're going to do the show and you're also going to shield how odd this is that the other host wants nothing to do with Vic the whole time. And I was like, okay, this is going to be interesting. So we're taping the show. It's not even live. So whatever the show was, if it was an hour, we were probably hanging out for like two to three hours. Yeah. And so it's just me and Vic, and while Peyton Hillis is over here, just sweating, you know, super intense. And I'm sitting there, I'm like, what, uh, what's been going

on, man, how you been? And to Vic's credit, he was, he was as cool. I mean, you know, again, and he's been on your show, too. And he's been on your show too, right, hadn't he? Like recently, Mike, yeah, he's been on with me a couple times. Mike's cool. I mean, obviously. I mean, obviously, He did some bad stuff, but he's always been cool, especially he's a hokey. I mean, I run into him. He's all right, man. Okay, yeah. How about Tua?

I'm just joking. Just kidding. Just taking the temperature in the room. Taking the temperature in the room. I thought Tula was going to be great. That's why I was so frustrated after week one. So, yeah, okay. We'll see how it goes.

Here's another one. Merry fuck kill. Sorry, Kyle. You can stay out of this if you want. But, you know, he's like a professional now. Okay, we'll see. Somebody sent this in, Ryan, because you were, you were posing with Roger Clemens. You know that picture, you and Roger Clemens?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're at a supplement store. A rocket. Solmence store. Did you know that? Yeah, I think you did. No, like, real, it was a rough part outside of Boston. He had had a relationship with this guy that owed him the supplement store, which is kind of funny.

Yeah. But like weight belts and everything, you know. And so there was these day guys hammered. You know, just wasted across the street. And they saw Clemens. They're like, ah, fuck you, Clemens. Fuck you, dude. You fucking suck, Roger.

Fuck you. And he's like, hey, guys, what's up, man? Hey, all right. You have any? Like, he completely destroyed him with positive vibes back their way. It was one of the most powerful things I've ever seen. Like, Clemens is getting worked by these drunk day drinkers across the street because people know Clemens is going to be. Because when he was in Boston, he had a relationship with this guy.

And Clemens completely. completely disarms him by being like, what's up, guys? I did not expect that out of Roger Clemens. I can only picture Roger Clemens walking around in a baseball uniform. So it sounds like Ryan's going to marry Roger Clemens, but let me give you the other two, Bonds and McGuire. I love the, yeah. To me, look, the 86 Red Sox season, Clemens is 14 and O, starts for the American League. I kept score of the All-Star game.

Oh, boy. Like, I watched it on TV and kept score of it. Like Lou Whitaker went deep in that one. Pretty young to be doing that. Yep. There's little signs there where you're like, oh. This guy's going to be a podcaster. Oh, okay.

So Mary Clemens, yeah. Mary Clemens? Mary Clemens. Okay. I'm marrying McGuire, dude. I think he's probably a cool guy. Is he cool? I had plans to kill Mark McGuire.

Oh, I'm killing Roger Clemens, conversely. And you're going to fuck Barry, bonds, man. You have to. Yeah, it's just Yep. Pittsburgh Barry Bonds. Oh, I don't know. See, here's where we defer. I want Balko Bonds.

I thought you weren't playing. This is good. I want Bacobo Bonds. He's got to be in uniform with the eye black. Yeah. You know. Just parking balls out into the ocean. Bring a kayak. Uh-huh. Sinfeld fans have come together

to, we have a TikTok page here at Greenlight. So go follow that if you're on TikTok. I don't check it, but once a month. And I went in the other day and they had posted my Seinfeld tape on loop there. And it has like 700 comments. And it's all white guys in their 30s and 40s telling me I'm not smart enough to get the jokes. You know, that's the problem with that's why I'm not laughing at Seinfeld. So I would just, I'd like to say this.

You guys are the fucking worst because I'm plenty smart enough. And those jokes just aren't that funny. It's like Rick and Morty fans. I don't know if you know Rick and Morty Ryan, but it's like a really, it's like a really like, high brow cartoon. It's awesome. And it's a smart guy's show, I guess. You know, there's a lot of smart references like quantum physics and shit in there.

But people like to make fun of the average casual Rick and Morty fan. So there's a Rick and Morty hive. It's like you don't get Rick and Morty. You're too stupid. I didn't know that. And we're easy targets. But I was going to ask, what's the worst fan base? Give me some of the worst fan bases of all time.

It could be sports. It could be popular culture. And Ryan, do you think I'm not smart enough to get the jokes? No, I just don't know that. The pace of Seinfeld, the biggest mistake and when you told me you didn't really get it is you started with season one. Season one is molasses uphill in the wintertime, okay?

It just goes too slow. They haven't edited out kind of the way they want the show to work. You know, shows kind of grow, and that one grew to a point where the beats were a lot faster. The jokes were more absurd. But it wasn't about a line, boom, boom, boom, joke, laugh. It was like, think about the John Void's car episode. To sit around and be like,

okay, we want to do an episode where George thinks he buys John Void's car. But he can't prove it. But then there's a pencil with his teeth marks on it. And then however that happens, Kramer runs into John Voigt on the street in New York City and has a bloody nose. So Voight thinks he's a crazy person and Voight bites his arm. So then they all know that they're going to be going to Tim Watley's party, a dentist. And they're hoping to bring the pencil to match the bite marks on the pencil to the bite mark on Kramer's arm to figure out if in fact it's John Voigt the actor's car.

like to have guys sit around and go what do you want to do next episode and that be the product is fucking genius so it's no but it's funny like okay so the concepts are funny it's it's smartly designed okay like but it's just the execution of the jokes the dialogue for me it's just not it's not my thing it's it sounds like you start on season one okay jump into any of the other ones and then i asked fucking matt kingston here about like hey which seasons I went to those seasons. They're fine. It's fine. It's not bad.

It's not cringe. It's not awful. The stand-up's not great. But, you know, it's where I like Curb Your enthusiasm because it legitimately to me

sounds like people are having a conversation. Yes, it's a bit theatrical. Yes, it's a bit played up. Yes, they're reading a little bit, but literally,

they're fucking ad-libbing. And, and, you know, that's also 20 years later, though, it's also filmed, you know, like,

Guilty is charged. You know? Like, Barney Miller was a great show. If you watched it now, I don't know how much you're going to laugh. I think some bad fan bases, it would be soccer. I got kind of made fun of, I got kind of made fun of it would be soccer by some soccer fan. They said I'm a casual, you know, you're an American, you can go dormant for another four years until the World Cup comes back. And to that,

I say, number one, fuck you. Number two, I'm just here to support the USA. You know, if you put, If you put anything in red, white, and blue and competed it against the other countries, I would say, I'm in. Why am I not on the HD channel? I'm on the standard D channel right now. Yeah. I don't know about the Vietnam War, but, you know, like sports, and that's what they got a start joke.

Like, pointing out the zag to rooting for America. No, but it is true. There are certain things. Like, soccer's a very safe thing to all be patriotic about. Like, we're all these days, like, the patriotism is loaded, right? you see an American flag. Right, but my point is, can we all admit it's cool to root for your home country?

Hell yes, that's the thing. And not have to do a qualifier. Like, I saw this guy, granted, it might have been the Atlantic, who was like, the whole concept of rooting for your nation is outdated anyway. Oh my, yeah, come on. Is it possible to even get to this point?

And he had to, but like, everything is, like, when there's a guy from your hometown that's a professional athlete, everyone rallies around that and takes an interest in it, they think it's great, because it's like, hey, he was one of us. And you expand it. You just expand it out to the point of like, it's not some intimidating form of nationalism.

It's simply like, do you want to be the guy who has a fucking around jersey? What was that word? What was that country? You know what I mean? Like that one buddy of yours that goes, I actually root for English. No, it's like, nobody wants to be that. People always want to unite the world.

And it's like the easiest way to do that. Let's unite the country first. And this is a simple way to do it. It's like put a team out there, put them all in the same thing with our flag on it, and people are going to root for it. Well, and so, and even the guy, the way soccer is in soccer fan bases, like they're more intellectual and like, yeah, they have to be because I'm not smart enough to get it.

I mean, fucking, but like, it's, it's a safe thing to be patriotic about. I just think it occupies a really interesting niche where, like, on Twitter in 2022, a bunch of people could be patriotic for a day and actually not feel, weird about it because it's not loaded not feel all right yeah yeah well i guess the the it's the same thing with the women's national team it's the same thing with uh with uh you know basketball when you go to the olympics and that sort of thing and the olympics and that sort of thing but soccer for some reason everybody just parks it and watches and i agree with you soccer fans are tough it's it's like you know hockey to happen in soccer huh soccer would grow if it weren't for soccer fans

yeah i think also uh man if not for the uh nil money now there's no chance that nickel that's never going to see the field at you know an SEC school is going to pick up some diodoras i mean like now the fact of the matter is you can make money in college so there's no way our best athletes are going to play soccer at any point uh i want to throw uh lakers fans in the mix yes

lakers i think the cobi fans are like another level like the Kobe laker fan can be even tougher than the laker fan uh climate change activists okay that's the way ruin art yeah Well, it's kind of like dolphins fans ruin the dolphins. It's like dolphins fans ruin the dolphins. Climate change, very real.

Okay, we got to do something about it. We get it. But the potato on Van Gogh is beautiful. Well, also, like, you really think anybody's going to do anything differently now? That poor security guards sitting there. He knows he's going to get fired. There's syrup on the Monet. No, you think the BP guy's like, oh, man, I was a big fan of Rembrandt.

I'm probably going to stop. Rooting the planet. Okay. So, yeah, fan bases, yeah. We like the team they root for. We just don't like their message board. Exactly. Hey, and listen, if you have, if you, if you're right around your city and you see,

the more you see those flags that go in the, the windows when you roll up and they put the flags like Laker, cowboy flag, the more, the more flags there are of that team, the worst of the fan base is to deal with. Ah. I'm telling you, it's a, it's a canary in the coal mine a little bit. We had four when you played at UVA. Yeah, yeah, we had a couple. Right, but you don't see many Virginia ones, so we're not that bad.

Okay, these are the history ones for Ryan. Historical figures that would have the best podcast. Great question. El Ducche comes to mind with Salini, media background, was very, like, to the point. Definitely was like, hey, this is how I feel, like uncompromise. If you aren't first take, he would never give in. He would submit nothing. You think you'd have him in a corner, he'd just be like, nope, you're wrong.

Mad Dog, a translator, and Mussolini. Yeah. He just, guys would be like, I don't agree with his points, but he's very convincing. There's actually a right answer. There's one right answer, and it's Alexander Hamilton. I mean, this guy, okay, first of all, he could do everything. His story's incredible. He's hanging out St. Kit.

His mother is a woman of ill repute, which just means they weren't, like, wed perfectly when they had the kids. And back then, if the kids were out of wedlock, the schools were like, sorry, we're not going to teach you. Like, imagine that. Be like, my parents had something dicey going on. Hey, you're going to be dumb the rest of your life. Here's a shovel. You know, so Hamilton. And then his mom and him, I think they both have the yellow fever at the same time.

And she dies in a bed next to him as they're both going through this awful sickness. So now he's orphaned. And all the stuff that she had, the first husband who was out of the mix was like, I get to keep all the stuff. But they had a library of books. I think it was 34 books. And the dad took those to sell them. And then a family friend bought the books back and gave him back to Hamilton. So self-taught.

And then he ends up at some merchants office. And they're like, this guy's actually a genius. He's really good with a quill. So let's get him over to New York. We're going to teach him up. Didn't they raise money for him? Didn't they? Yeah.

There you go, Kyle. You learned it. Like his town was like, we need to put him on scholarship. So they put, they like protected him. We need to get this guy on a schooner north. Granted, probably not a scooter for that kind of trip back then. But anyway, he's in this city for a very short amount of time. And now he's in with George Washington.

He sets up banking. He's a fucking hot head. He's challenging everybody to duels left and right. you know that was his ultimate demise although there's some historical debate over whether or not he actually thought he was engaging in the duel with burr we all have our vices right right but i mean think about that he's he's he's on top of finance he's on top of politics he's on top of international stuff he's on it military tactic he there's no topic that he couldn't talk about and he's constantly calling people out all these overcoming podcasts yeah he would he'd be be a hot take artist too but uh all these overcoming podcasts you know where it's just basically like man all this stuff happened to me and you know like all these mindset podcasts he would blow those things out of the water all the things he's been through that's crazy i didn't know that about Alexander captain james cook uh captain james cook man oh been everywhere ad reads would he have with a ship

all right so what about what about what about gangus con like a live travel one where he's like All right, we took over most of China. Updated body count daily. Yeah. We're up to 3 million square miles. Expanding rapidly. Ad reads for lime. There's just piles of dead body outside of its studio.

Are you having trouble keeping track of your property lines? We're simply safe. I got a question for him. So if you were to be in the world strongest man competition, which event would you feel most confident in? Pull-ups, probably. Do you pull-ups are the World Strongest Man competition? I don't know.

You know, like Atlas Stones? You can either do the Atlas Stones. You can stand in the car and carry it. Just to back up here, you know, yesterday I was squatting and I was using the Kabuki Bar, and I don't know if that was the problem, but my Apple Watch called 911 twice while I was doing it. And they called me back,

So I'm sitting there with the bar over me and my wrist is vibrating like crazy and I'm going, what is going on? The watch, I think, thought I was under so much strain that it called 911. Damn, dude. Right, right. Fire engines pulling up the equinox. Right, so they're like, what's going on here? Ceg toss.

You can toss a keg. You're jacked those arms? I could, yeah, I could do that. But aren't they full? You know what I always thought was a little overrated? Was hauling the truck. Yeah, I could do that. I always felt like whenever I see video

some asshole on Instagram with like a car behind him and then he's walking, he's like, look at me. You're like, if the brakes aren't on, eventually the thing's going to move. It's called momentum. I always felt, yeah. So I wouldn't do it fast as the other guys, the rope pole with the truck and the whole thing.

But I'd like to think if there's enough lube on those discs, maybe get it moving a little bit. I got a quick one for you because I know you got to go. Historical figures, another history question for Ryan. Give us our historical comps. Kyle, myself,

and your friend Macon. Kyle's Patton. Kingston, former teacher's like, mm-hmm. Okay. I could see George, I could see, Chris, there's this thing on, if you read the book Estonia. Estonia.

Hadn't read it. Pacific Northwest, this trading post, furs are like the markup on furs is insane. Like if you're getting them for a buck of fur in the States, you're charging China like 100, 800. I forget what the markup was. It was nuts. The fur was like FTX there for a little while. And so there was this guy from Western Mass

who just decided to like leave and he ended up on some expedition out of St. Louis. So Chris didn't like Mass did go to St. Louis. Timelines are reversed. Yeah. And then he hooked up with these

trappers who got like wiped out by the black feet. like worked except the one guy who was like 18 at the time and he walked around in the woods by himself for like two years until another expedition found him and they were like this guy has seen some shit he's seen some shit so I'm a guy you're a fair you're a feral trapper I just I just feel like that's good has a moment where he just goes I've had it starts walking in the woods and every day. Every day.

Yeah. Okay. I know you too well. But the thing is, is this guy was like Chris isn't as crazy as this guy. This guy was so unhinged when they finally found it, a walk around in the woods for like two years trying to avoid being killed, that he was so crazy.

His last name became a term for crazy. Okay. The last one. Bacon definitely is somebody with a wig and white makeup. I think it's Aaron Burr. I think it's Aaron Burr. because the part about the Aaron Burr story that's forgotten that post-Hamilton

is that he just decided you know it's crazy like somebody will send out a bad tweet now as a political figure or maybe somebody said something they should have said Aaron Burr was like fuck this place let's just start a new country with the Western states let's get a militia together invade Louisiana

and just take that over who's with me so I could see making just turning on the establishment seceding yeah You know what? The green-ish light pod. I think he's, yeah, right, exactly.

I'll never forget the time we were in the car with Stanford Steve drunk and Macon and I were fighting. And the last thing before I got out of the car to go inside, he goes, and one more thing, I want my name on the podcast. Sounds like Aaron Burr to me. And Steve, Steve just,

Steve just clutched the wheel and look straight ahead. No, he's going to be happy with that, Aaron Burr comp. I was expecting somebody totally more... He's an all-time asshole. Somebody more effeminate. Aaron Burr. Prickly.

He did kill Hamilton. He killed Hamilton. That makes a lot of sense. He's an all-time asshole. All right. Well, um, okay, Ryan, you got to get going, but we appreciate the time. By the way, thanks a lot. Happy holidays to you.

Very impressed with Kyle. He's great. Thanks, Ryan. It's good to catch up. Good to catch up, buddy. If you're here in Arizona, Colorado, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Tennessee, or right here in Virginia, and you haven't tried the WinBet app yet. I have great news for you. Sign up today to receive this

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1-8009-9-8789. So we had Ryan. That was fun. We love Ryan. Ryan's awesome. Yeah, that was cool seeing you guys on the mic together. I'd love to get a beer with him sometime in person. It'll turn into 12.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Kyle had one question we were going to ask. We ran out of time. Can we do that question about the horse? Yeah, let's run through a couple of the best of the rest. All right, Kyle. If you were a working horse, what job would you want and what job would you not want? I'm going to start this with a little rant about the tourism in New York City because I would hate to be a fucking horse that had to carry people around in New York City on those streets.

It's hot as shit or it's cold as shit. There's no in between in New York. And you're out there lugging fuckers around all day. I wonder where they keep the horses. Do they, like, ship them out to the country at the end of the day? Or is it, like, everything else in New York City, where there's just, like, a little hole that they put them out. Of course has got, like, a 50 square foot apart.

Like, where do they sleep? So, also, war horses, you know, back in the day, and I'm sure somewhere they're still warring with horses. You mean, like, like, being Braveheart's horse. Frontline. Like, holy shit, dude. Frontline. Battle of the bastards, Game of Thrones.

78% chance I get him paid. A police horse, you know, you have a lot of rights as a police horse, but you also have the right to be like the meat shield for your, for your police officer. See, I, see, I have the police horse on my good, good horse job list,

especially the one in New Orleans, because I feel like the people watching is great. But then on top of that, like, also get a segue. Yeah, you're right. But think,

but the terrain down there on Bourbon Street is tough. But the thing about it is, like, you know, if you're that horse, you not only have good people watching, you also, you're the only thing the people fear.

The people in, on Burbin Street are, it's like a primal fear of an animal, larger than you. You could be totally fucked up. You could be a 21 year old frat boy. It could be the nicest horse in the fucking world though which brings me to my initial point. It's a shitty job because people assume that you're this

death bringer. When in reality you're just like you got any carrots or drugs. So plow horses. I didn't want to say Amish horses because I think Mennonites use horses to farm as well. And they fucking farm all day. These are hard working sons of guns and I respect it.

But I think those horses have had a long enough run. You know what I mean? Uh-huh. maybe get a different method. The high dive horse, so we were talking about this, Scott. On Instagram or TikTok or something, I saw that in the 20s and the, you know, the teens,

they were, what was it? The 50s? They were jump, they were high diving horses from 30 meters up with a rider on it into a little pool. Like for entertainment. Like, you know what people dive from really high into it?

Horses were, jumping and landing in like six feet of water. They had those jokers tranked up. That shit looked to be painful, but also we did some crazy shit back then, you know, circuits and all that stuff. Like people were wild. The horses, man. All right, I got a horse that I'd like to be.

Lenny Kravitz's horse. That life is probably awesome because you know he probably, he has horses, right? You've seen his like Costa Rican farm. Think all the hot babes that you get to carry around if you're Lenny Kravitz's horse. Wasn't Beyonce on a horse recently on like an album cover or like? or tour. I've seen it like on a billboard. That'd be a cool horse.

I bet Beyonce treats her horse right. Probably. Probably. Like a well-maintained horse. Yes. But yeah, Beyonce does have a horse. Yeah.

So, yeah, that horse, and it's a galaxy horse. That horse is living good. Living good. Also, a trail guide horse or, like out west somewhere on a dude ranch.

You know, this is Bucky, and Bucky's the chillest horse you'll ever fucking meet. They'll take you up and down there. He'll tell you if there's grizzlies. So, like a dressage horse,

uh, I think it would be good. You know, those people ride English or Western. A drusage horse? Western is like Yellowstone riding and the dressage is where they're like, they trot a little bit. I did not know there were this many horses. Yeah, so people out here in central Virginia, there's a lot of drosage where they do the little jumps. You see a couple.

Oh, that's what they are. Yeah, they get all the ribbons. They just collect those ribbons like pelts on the wall. So I feel like that'd be good because that's rich folk activity and they're probably treated well as well. Oh, I want to be the stud horse. Think about that. like you're you're you're the man right you've done it you've been there you've done that and you're just getting jacked off every day yeah into a bucket you're like oh it's my time would you

want to be a rodeo horse uh yeah take it out on the people because that's like the athlete of the horses right yeah yeah like a buck and bronco or like a cutting horse yeah hey that's all the horses isn't it i love horses they scare me dude unpredictable too. He just didn't mention wild horses. I think, yeah. I'm not saying I need to get jacked off. I'm just saying those.

If you appreciate me for my genes. No, if you compare the stud horse's life to the life of a, you know, a battle of the bastards horse. It's like a waggoo beef cow. Yeah. All right. And this is not related to Ryan's chain,

but what's a fashion accessory, you can't pull off, but respect on others. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, oh, ooh, turquoise. Yep. Yeah, like turquoise rings. Every summer.

I go up to Big Fork, I'm up in Montana, and I go up to Big Fork, and I look at this really cool gallery. It's like Electric Avenue gifts or something up there, because Electric Avenue is the Big Fork Road. And they got all this fucking dope, you know, like singer-songwriter jewelry, you know, legit, made by legit turquoise miners. Yeah, like rings in general. I just haven't wanted it as Native Americans are, you know,

sheffing up these gorgeous rings. and I can't pull them off. But some guys can. Like Charlie Whitehurst can pull that off. Gardner Minchew. He can kind of pull that off. Maybe I can pull that off, but I'm afraid to go home to my wife wearing one.

She's like, who the fuck do you think you are? You know what I mean? Mike White's wife a couple weeks ago. Who are you? Yeah, that's what she would say to me if I walked in with a turquoise ring on. Some turquoise. I think any of the excessive jewelry,

I don't wear a bunch of jewelry. I wear a watch sometimes. But, you know, people really pull off multiple rings and bracelets like you know like a Johnny Depp at trial type bracelets people pull that shit off but that's what I'm saying yeah it's like it's like

yeah we can't do it we're big guys also wearing dress shoes with no socks with like a visible ankle line I just got you know can ankles not into that there's two for me what about like a Texas tie a bolow tie yeah a bolow tie you can do a bolow you can rock a bowl

that's an every man's time I can rock a turquoise bowlow today No problem. Every Man time. God just needs something to do it. Good question. Yeah. And a cane looks cool and is also kind of useful.

Could be a sword in there too. Looks really cool. I don't think I could pull it off. No. An umbrella. Would you rather be eaten or taxidermized? That's a good question, Kyle. Because I'd rather be...

I'd rather be taxidermized. Same. Put me on display. Some Billy Bob, the fucking American sniper of the... of Green County. Just put it right behind my ear and then put me on the wall, man. Because I was looking at this squirrel

with a pistol and I think that's probably the coolest squirrel I've seen in quite some time. Yeah, that squirrel, think about it. Think about it. A lot like the horses. You could have been the squirrel that got run over

in a fucking 25 mile per hour zone. But you ended up being the squirrel that's behind me and you on the podcast. It's pretty cool. You get a cowboy hat. You get a cowboy hat. Like, that's pretty cool. Taxidermost.

Easy. Easy. By the way, how great would a history podcast with Ryan and Kyle be? Oh, it'd be great. Ryan's, I'm really, really impressed. He's really good at history. He knows it. He's good at history.

Yeah, I mean, he just, he spit those right out. He's passionate about it, like his buddy Trent Delford is passionate about football. By UAB Athletics, aren't we all?