Green Light with Chris Long - Ryen Russillo! Sam Hubbard! Reaction to Brian Flores' Lawsuit & Tom Brady’s Retirement.

Episode Date: February 2, 2022

(2:50) - Chris Reacts to Brian Flores’ Lawsuit Against the NFL. (20:53) - Ryen Russillo on Tom Brady’s Retirement, Adam Schefter and Jeff Darlington’s Announcement, and Ryen Goes Necklace Shopping. (48:23) - Ryen Russillo Mailbag: Worst Concert Attended, Embarrassing Gym Stories and Office Characters as NFL Coaches. (1:04:36) - Cincinnati Bengal Sam Hubbard on Bengals to the SB, AFC Championship Win Over Kansas City, Growing up a Bengals Fan, Making a Play in the Biggest Moment of the AFC Championship and Sam’s Knowledge of Lacrosse Terms. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. https://www.greenlightpodcast.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And in Michigan, 1-800-2-7-1-17. Tennessee, y'all too, 1-8009-9-9. Welcome to the Green Light Podcast. Oh, boy. Got a pair of guests today. Ryan Rosillo, Cincinnati, Bengals Sam Hubbard. We've got a bunch of news to talk about today.

Chris and Ryan are going to talk about Tom Brady's retirement, and they'll do a little mailbag. Chris and Sam, which that interview is brought to you by Roebuck Active Aware, are going to talk about the Bengals to the Super Bowl, the AFC championship win over Kansas City, Sam's big play at the end of that game to force overtime. And we're going to quiz Sam on some lacrosse terms. You used to be a lacrosse star.

So we'll see if he still remembers the lingo. But at the beginning of today's show, we're going to talk about yesterday's biggest NFL news. And that's Brian Flores' lawsuit against the NFL. Enjoy the show. Welcome to the Greenlight Pod. I am, I'm going to get this show on the road to paint a picture. This is take you behind the curtain a little bit, production-wise. Making is out today.

He's selling houses. Cowboy Reading, chair with me. Kingston behind the machines. And we had two interviews. So we had Sam Hubbard, who's playing in the Super Bowl in two weeks here, Cincinnati Bengals' defensive end, Ohio State Buckeye. He's a bopper. He's a friend of the program now, fan of the program. So it was good to have Sam on.

I'm going to talk to him about Joe Burrow, going to talk to him about him and Trey Hendrickson. He grew up a Cincinnati fan. He grew up a Cincinnati fan, a little lacrosse talk. Got Rosillo coming on in a few to talk about Tom Brady, officially retired today. we're going to talk about some of the coaching stuff and do a quick mailbag. That's all good. Recorded those, then we were going to do an open. This is the time where I say like, hey, you know, you do your hellos and your layup line and that sort of thing.

A lot of time we do that last, right? Cap the day off. So I had just finished doing these two interviews and the Brian Flores bomb dropped. And I reacted to that. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to play you my reaction in real time. because I don't have to understand. I don't have to read through the whole lawsuit. I don't have to figure the whole thing out.

There's going to be plenty of time to talk about this. This is going to go on a while. Legal stuff. I don't know if you notice they stretched that motherfucker out. So like, we will be talking about this all off season. But based on the preliminary facts, this is my reaction. This is the only way anybody's going to ever change their hiring practices. The stick, not the carrot.

everybody's trying to make it a carrot thing you got to bust out the stick and that's what in every situation like this should happen and so i'm glad that brian flores who like i haven't read any of this stuff i'm truly reacting to this brian flores is risking here it shouldn't be a risk but like you can't tell me this isn't scary for him when he's showing you who they are how do you think the group that's used the Rooney rule to their game, basically, it's cover. You got to interview a coach of color. The one thing we're always worried about is knowing how serious they are. And this is, we're talking about one of the best coaches in the cycle period. One of the best coaches in the cycle period happens to be a black man and he's being used to check a box. How do you think every other

coach that hasn't had a gig feels? And obviously as a sidebar, the dolphins, you know, like who who ran him out of town. If they were losing intentionally and there's documentation of that, that owner should never be able to own a team again. I mean, he should have to sell his team. Now, I know what's going to happen. I don't know what's going to happen,

but these owners are fucking bulletproof. Okay, Dan Snyder hasn't been run out of Washington yet. This guy, Stephen Ross, he shouldn't be able to own a team anymore. If this is true, okay? And it doesn't sound like it's something hard to prove because you don't go out on a limb, like this without documentation. It sounds like he's got the documentation. Yeah, Matt?

Yeah, he's represented by one of the most prominent civil rights attorneys in the country. And it's important to remember that he's not lodging the lawsuit only on behalf of himself, but on behalf of all coaches of color. And when you read through the entire lawsuit and read all of the instances that they put forth, not just about B-Flow, but like, you know, the double standard treatment of Steve Wilkes, discriminatory treatment of David Cully, no opportunities provided to Chris Richard. Eric B. Enemy cannot get a head coach job. Terrell Austin, never given a chance.

Like when they put it all listed out in this lawsuit, it's pretty damning. Well, it's not even, you don't even need to try to, you know, find examples that haven't happened that you think should happen. Like, just look at the numbers. Again, we've talked about attacking the pipeline. We've talked about the fact that these coaches are oftentimes steered. these African-American coaches are steered into position groups that are not going to have those opportunities. You know, they're not quarterback coaches. They're not O-Line coaches. They're not line coaches. They're not linebacker coaches. These are the key pipeline position groups that catapult people to the top. They've been kept out of these position groups. And it probably is going to get harder. There's going to be some teams guaranteed that their strategy internally is going to be like, we don't talk about who we're going to hire. Like we have to keep that tighter. That's going to be the takeaway.

Like these owners, they're bulletproof. They get to do whatever they want in every way in their life. And so how do you think they feel when somebody's telling them how to run their most valued asset? We had nine head coaching openings this off season for those places have been filled. The Raiders, Broncos, bears and giants all hired. So five remaining head coaching positions ago. we'll see how they're filled if that number of one black head coach goes up. Well, it just sucks because now it feels like, and there's no other way to do it,

but anything that happens in the next year or two, I'm going to be skeptical of these guys. Like, are you doing it for the right reason? Like, are you doing it just to check a box now? It's a lot like these companies out of last summer, all of a sudden they got black actors in their commercials. Like, all of a sudden we got, like, you really needed that to know that racism's a problem.

problem that under representation is a problem to know that all these things are a problem. So again, it's unfortunate that even the people that do the right thing now, I'm going to be skeptical of because they've shown me who they are as owners and as a league. Like, this is unfortunate on so many fronts. And one of the worst parts is even if we take incremental steps forward, I'm going to doubt the intention of the people calling those shots, which you might sit here at home and be like, well, that's fucked up. You've got to give people a chance to change. We haven't been whispering about this thing.

So this is going on. You're talking about corruption down in Miami, talking about tanking, which is tanking in football. Our lives are shortened because of what we're doing out there. Like our life expectancy is shorter. And people know that walking around. I was at a fucking chiropractic's office yesterday

talking about this with a chiropractor. Like the gal in the waiting room knows our average. lifespan, okay? I've been on losing teams. To think that at certain points, to open the door up in my head, to think that at certain points there was an owner telling somebody like lose more. And I'm out there risking my livelihood to do that. It makes me mad. It makes me like very mad. This ain't like trust the process. It's not tanking in the NBA. I'm sorry. Those fucking guys work hard, but there's a difference. Totally different. It's totally different. You're playing with the average career is three and a half years.

You know how fucked up that is? To leverage, you know, every guy on that roster's future. Because here's the problem with losing football. It's not just the losing in a vacuum. It's also the future earning potential of the players that were attached to this bullshit. How many guys are in their contract here and so

on and so forth? It just blows. And then, you know, beyond that, the corruption in an even higher level, denying people employment based on the color of their skin. I mean, these owners should be a shame to themselves. They really should. I'm not doing some Mount Pious bullshit. This is easy to be upset about, dude. This is easy to be upset about these white coaches, white executive, white GMs,

white owners, they've sat in meetings with these guys, man. I've fucking sat in meetings with these guys. Some of the best coaches I ever had were coaches of color. A lot of them played. It's just a terrible look for the NFL. And now, as an aside, everybody's going to say, like you commentate or you podcast about a sport that's just corrupt. Like it's just a fucked up business. Whether it was like racial injustice and Collard Kaepernick, whether it's CTE stuff, whether it's this coaching stuff.

Like we look bad, dude. We look really bad as a league. The NFL kind of has a history of quietly settling these types of lawsuits. You know, I would like to see as long as the allegations in this lawsuit are correct that BFLO refused to say, settle and let's see this in court. The 100K offer per loss is honestly just infuriating on so many levels because it like

it ruins B. Flo's career as well because he looks like a bad coach. And guess what? This is how good a coach BFlo is. BFlo has won a bunch of games in Miami. Despite all that, like despite that, despite not having the quarterback that he wanted, despite, you know, playing a division with Josh Allen and fucking Bill Belichick and he's found a way to win games. We thought on its head the firing was incredulous. Like I was incredulous.

And now it's like, dude, give this guy any job he wants. Getting offered to lose games. This is out of a movie. It's out of a movie. It's out of a bad, it's out of a sports movie. Not a bad sports movie. But it's stuff that I thought only existed in plots. Also in the lawsuit,

after the end of the 2019 season, Mr. Ross began to pressure Mr. Flores to recruit a prominent quarterback in violation of the league's tampering rules. Mr. Flores repeatedly refused to comply with these improper directives. Undeterred in the winter of 2020, Mr. Ross invited Mr. Flores onto a yacht for lunch shortly after he arrived. Mr. Ross told Mr. Flores that the prominent quarterback was conveniently arriving at the marina. Obviously, Mr. Ross had attempted to set up a purportedly impromptu meeting between Mr. Flores and the prominent quarterback.

Mr. Flores refused the meeting and left the yacht immediately. After the incident, Mr. Flores was treated with disdain and held out as someone who was not. non-compliant and difficult to work with. These are two separate, you know, tanking and racism in the NFL. They're two separate problems, but where the Venn diagram overlaps and it's a big overlap is it's the ego of these owners, man. And so if you think that the Rooney rule or anything you try to change is going to be changed any other way than the stick and not the carrot, you're mistaken.

Fucking ridiculous. This league just can't get it right. Just can't get it right. It's a great game, dude. It is a great game. It's a dangerous game. You know, but it's one that we all love. Can we just stop it at dangerous?

Can we leave the racism off, the corruption, the tanking, like, the cover-ups, whatever? Like, can we just stop it dangerous? It's hard enough to convince people that we're not, like, fucking just barbarians out there. I mean, the whole organization's criminal. if this stuff is is prevalent, which it's hard not to believe it is. So obviously you can tell how I feel. I mean, like it pisses me off the whole thing.

The only thing that I've thought about in the meantime since we stopped, Reed, was that maybe Bill didn't send the text on accident. You think he was trying to help Brian Flores move this lawsuit along? Well, I don't know, but Darius Butler retweeted somebody or he pulled a jiff from somebody who I had seen tweet that, you know, Bill Belichick is admittedly a Kirby enthusiasm fan. And Larry David has the text thing, you know,

where he sends an accidental real text. I forget what she's in. That was the fairly recent one. They're on the golf course? The accidental text on purpose. Accidental text on purpose. This would be a perfect and maybe the most heroic accidental text on purpose of all time. He wanted to do it in like some covert.

way is what this guy said. I think his name on Twitter was Machado. My only issue with that theory is that Belichick owes so much to the ownership group of the Giants. Like he's got that history with them. Right, but maybe he's into doing the right thing. You know, maybe he's like, I'm going to burn this motherfucker down. They fucked with Brian Flores. He's one of my favorite coaches. I don't know, dude. We're going to find out a lot about this. So I don't want to go get out over my skis, but again, the Larry David theory was floated

by a guy named Machado, TM. Machado TM. His tweet was Bill Belichick confirmed Kirby enthusiasm fan. No chance he would make that mistake accidentally. Because Bill could have played that off too. He could have said, oh, I think you've got the job.

And then, you know, B-Flo would have had no idea. So Bill ultimately did the right thing in telling him. And knew by telling him that there was probably some some period of time between the mistake and then the explanation

you could look at the text message to probably ascertain how far apart you know the hey I fucked up I meant Brian Dable thought it was texting Brian he probably thought about you know the ramifications of letting B-Flow know that

he knows the rules timeline if If all of these texts went concurrent, Belichick's first text, 2.30 p.m., sounds like you've landed congrats. And then 451 was the, sorry, I fucked this up. And if all the texts in between those were concurrent and right on top of each other. You would think Bill would know the ramifications of sending that text

and letting him know that they had already selected a coach who was white and, you know, the Broncos thing, which I just read a little bit more about it. This is right before they hired Fangio and you know, you got guys stumbling in drunk to interview him. Not guy, like John Elway. I mean, no, but I'm saying like,

you could tell though that it ain't just John that was checked out of that meeting. That whole group, that was a shell meeting. And this happens all the time. And I know people are going to say, well, this is a problem with the Rooney rule because you're forcing these teams into situations, where they wouldn't be doing this otherwise and they wouldn't be you know misleading

But that's obviously the take of somebody who's ignoring the context that frames the need for a fucking Rooney rule Okay, look at the numbers I've argued with people on this one and I will argue no more with people on this one Like this has become a sky as blue thing. Okay, the sky is blue because It's very clear that there is a barrier for black coaches in the NFL and the tanking thing I already did a whole thing on that. You just heard it. So I'll sleep on it and I'll yell some more the next podcast. But Stephen Ross, man.

See you. See you later, buddy. See you later. And it'll be interesting to see if he does in this lawsuit. The lawsuit alleges that Stephen Ross, the owner, was ready to break NFL tampering rules. That he

was full into just... So will he, what will his ramifications be if this lawsuit just proved is it like is it like a guy that's trying to sell somebody drugs and the person turns it down like it's is it a crime to try to sell drugs like is he gonna is he gonna is there gonna be a loophole here because be floated like I'm just curious how he gets out of this yes because you know that if there's a way to get these guys out of it they're going to yep they're going to total corruption and Freddie Gibbs on Twitter yes Brian Flores jumped off

Black History Month the right way. B-Flow, dude. It's funny because he's going to get a lot of praise, so this is going to be a very, a very interesting. He's doing something incredibly brave and difficult and serious, but he deserves to be celebrated and we deserve to say, like, fuck yeah, B-Flow.

Like, so it's a serious thing. There's a fight ahead and, like, people need to jump on board and support him. But at the same time, like, I feel a little hope too because a guy stood up. And now all the white people, people have to take the baton and support B-Flow and black coaches and really kind of kind of hold the league accountable as consumers of the league.

Like we have to let people know this shit's not okay. I doubt we do it, but there's an opportunity. All right, well, let's talk to Ryan Rosillo, who I talked to before I learned about this, this whole thing. So again, this is before everything changed and everything has changed. It's going to be a long offseason for the NFL. It's really that time of year and your team might finally do it. This year, Super Bowl 56 is in Los Angeles at SoFi Stadium. February 13th. You can scour resellers to buy an overpriced ticket closer to the day. Of course you can. Or you can lock in the Super Bowl experience of a lifetime now with our friends at on location.

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No, it's cold and snowy back home to northeast, so just ice everywhere, ice here. So you really own a nice chain. I mean, it's pretty decent. It is a nice chain. It better be. Is there a story that you've shared on this chain? Or is this a, is this like a secret?

Is this a secret chain? No, well, I was pretty excited to talk to you about it. And it's a couple select people because there was other people I never wanted to let them know what happened. But I'd always wanted a chain. And I was in New York City. I just moved to Soho for a week. And on paper, it was like the greatest idea ever. And then after like four or five days, I was like, this is sort of inconvenient.

Like you have a pretty good setup at home. And now you're in a hotel bed taking notes with legal pads, hoping the right NBA game is on. And then I don't care who you are, how wired you are. When you're 12 hours of NFL football in a bed because there's not a ton of room to operate, it's tough to lock in the same way. So part of the process, I had a bunch of things going on, just taking care of business, NBD.

but I was like, you know what I want to do is I want to go into the Diamond District and I want to see what it's like and I want to buy a chain. And I'm like, okay, just, you know, I'm kind of going through my own mental rolodex and preparing myself because I don't like to do anything unless I'm educated on it. You know, like if I'm buying a watch, I'm pretty educated on it. If I'm going to do something, you know, real estate, I'll research over and over and over again. So you kind of, and I was like, this is so flying blind. Like I think most of the things in my life, I've gotten a good gauge and like,

what is or what is. And this one, I was like, I have literally know. I did. So I get out of the car and there's a nude guy pissing in front of cars right by the shop there. So it was like right in the heat of the city. I was like, here we go. And when you walk by the Diamond District stores, you start looking in. You're like, oh, look, there's there's a Rolex. You know, there's a paddock. There's, you know, this is insane. And then you see all the chains. And I go, I have no clue like none. Zero concept. Is this a good price? Is this a bad price? So I'm a expecting to do fucking terrible in this transaction. And I would say after eight chains, an hour two, two coat put on moves where I was going to leave. Your neck smelled like metal. Your neck smelled like metal. You were sweating. Yeah, they were eight to ten chains. I go, look, I don't want to waste your time. We're out of wearing a number that's beyond what I wanted to do here, folks. And the guy's like, like, 380 carrots, dude. He goes, I'm doing, what are you talking about? And then the girl was like,

if you buy that chain, we're going out tonight, baby. And I was like, it was just, I have a closer. They have a closer. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she was smoking. I mean, it was just all, all angles. And, you know, we went back and forth. And I, again, I cannot emphasize enough the importance of the two, hey, guys, it's been really great.

It's been educational. But I'm just not comfortable. I'm not where I need to be. I'm not comfortable anymore. Throw on the jacket. Go to leave the store. Hold on. I did it twice.

And I told them. I actually, I thought this was very disarmint. So for all you chain, enthusiasm. out there in the future in the beginning. I go, I'm not going to pretend I know what I'm doing because you guys can already tell that I don't know what I'm doing. All right? So when you tell me a price and you say what it is, it doesn't mean anything to me. I have a number in my head. I will look at it and I need a bunch of cons. And I got to see it all. And after you give me your price, I'm going to go next door and I'm going to see if their price is the same as your price. And the guy was like,

well, that's my cousin. So I'm just going to call them anyway. Because at the beginning, the lady's like this one you like this chain i can see you like this chain 28 000 and i go i have no idea if that's good price or not zero it means nothing to me i go it means nothing to me it sounds pretty expensive so i go but i don't really like it it's kind of thin whatever and uh she goes uh 20 000 then and i'm like wait what i'm like i've been here 30 seconds and you dropped it almost 30 percent so i was like now she's like what do you think a good price would be for She goes, what would be good price? What would be a good price for you?

Very price. I was like, I don't know. You just went from 28 to 20 in 30 seconds. 15? Yes, we do 15. I go, well, now I definitely don't want it. It's a half. You said yes to 15 in 10 seconds.

I go, this doesn't make any sense. And then she goes, okay, okay. And then she brings me to another guy's missing a couple teeth, great glasses, suit not super Tbo fit. But, you know, he's had it a while. He's waiting for it to cycle back. And so he looks at the chain, pulls it out. He goes, you like this chain.

You hear you like this. chain he goes you have credit card i'm like well look i'm not yeah i mean i do have a credit card my parents let me have one so he goes 9000 we do it right now give me credit card and i go now i don't want it it's 28 to 9000 you give me credit card i was like i'm out i'm out on the whole transaction came off a dead guy yeah so then he was like oh you go next door then you don't like my chains well dude i got i got to hand it to you only a few people could fly blind and and find their their way out of a jewelry store with a chain at a good value, I presume.

We don't know that. I could have gotten fucking hosed. You could have got hosed. You could have got hosed. Okay, so today, I didn't plan this. New England guy. Brady officially retires. Now New England guy with a chain. Brady retires. He's

like the whole ESPN shitstormed the last couple days with the sourcing. First off, what do you make of the sourcing thing? Because I don't know if we've talked about this. It never made sense to me. It made sense to me that Schefter did it. But it didn't make sense to me that Darlington was involved because it seems that Darlington inner circle, why would you do that? What do you make of how that went down on a sourcing level? Like you have an insight that most people don't.

Darlington's a timeline with Brady is impeccable. All right. Darlington was out there telling everybody that wanted to hear that that Brady was gone. And he said it before everybody else. He caught all sorts of shit. I've had Darlington on my podcast and asked him about it. And he's probably a little more vague on the air than he would be off the year. but he's worked his way into the inner circle.

I don't believe that's what this was. I think what happened here was it wasn't a friend of Brady's betraying him. I think Brady taped his man in the arena thing, and there was going to be a retirement announcement. This is what I've been told about a couple of people. I'm not sure if I'm right or not. And it was a huge miscalculation that you could tape some sort of segment announcing maybe the biggest sports news of the NFL year

and that somebody wasn't going to tell somebody. I mean, people like to tell people. people's shit. I mean, the people like to tell people's shit that isn't even right. And so if Jeff had it, I knew he'd heard it from somebody. I don't know what element of it got to him, but then I think Shepter, you know, it seems to be at times there'll be reports where, you know, I don't want to, it's almost like if Shepter has it, then it's an extra stamp of approval. But my guess, my strong guest would be, guess would be that Darlington was tipped off to this first because somebody knew what Brady had taped.

Right. So if Brady was going to try to hold this huge announcement with a couple of people having access to it two weeks before it was going to air, good luck. Yeah, exactly. I mean, people were going to like riot. How did you announce your retirement? A picture on Twitter, just a picture of a red solo cup because I was drinking a beer and I had some people over.

So when I did my retirement, it was the summer of 2019. It was after my last year. And I was thinking about coming back. I was really close. And I just said, decided, fuck it. So I called a bunch of people. It was like, let's have a party. Because I knew if people came up to have a party on my farm, like, I wouldn't be able

of chicken out. Because I was kind of like, you know, I got to get over the edge. And once everybody got there, I stepped outside for a little bit, took a picture, sent the tweet and walked back inside and had fun. There's no perfect way to retire. And Brady, obviously, his legacy is way bigger than us mere mortals. and he has a lot to kind of contend with. I just thought that I never imagined him not having a victory lap.

I never imagined him not having a not, you know, we all knew Ben would. That's a certainty. Ben would will that happen, even if it was like a lap around Heinzfield after a meaningless football game late in the year. I thought Brady might have a farewell tour. Kind of surprising to me.

I don't know. It's funny because like I grew up with the farewell tours. Like I remember Kareem getting gifts and then the magic and Larry Bird night and it was just awesome. He thought it was great. And then it felt like it got played out a little bit, or maybe I just got more cynical as I got a little bit older. So I think it's almost like the public win when you don't do the tour now. I think the tour approval rating is lower than it's ever been.

You think? Yeah, I do. I can also understand the athlete. Like, if I'm ready to go play a game, I don't want to sit there at halftime. Or, you know, be at the 50 yard line before kickoff or eight road games or nine road games going, all right, cool, you know, I'm leaving. Like, you know, here's a gift card to deep sea fishing from the Jacksonville. Jaguars, you know. Yeah, exactly.

You know, because there's going to be some franchises that feel like they're obligated to do something. The Brady thing, it just something changed between his comments or I don't believe he started the year thing and he was done. And I don't know if it was just a glimpse into the future without, you know, somebody can take the top off the defense with an injury to Chris Godwin. I don't know if he just kind of had enough or something in his personal life. And I'm not going to speculate, but I guess that's what I'm already doing. I just thought there would be more than a thread on Twitter. And I wonder if the sourcing move that kind of timing up.

And the thread, I mean, interestingly enough, no mention anybody in New England. I have an idea of why that is. I think it's fairly obvious. Why do you think there's no mention of New England? I kind of want to hear your answer first. You played with him. Well, I think he probably signs with the Patriots

and does a one-day deal and does a whole, like, proper press conference. You know? Yeah. don't think the relationship is perfect, but that would have to be very fractured for Brady, who's a very calculated person, to leave them off, knowing that he wants to maintain the relationship with those fans, the players. I mean, it was like a flood as soon as the sourcing came in, countless dudes around the league taking those pictures, and most of them wore New England uniforms. So obviously, he wants to maintain a good relationship with that organization, the

fans. I don't think he'd just completely say, hey, fuck these guys. It doesn't make any sense where he want to say fuck these guys but I thought maybe it was just the first part of like I'm going to do this today and then I'll do something else later but I also think it may have been a little reminder as a guy that is really wired to be competitive ruthlessly competitive every time I hear a new story about Brady I'm like holy shit man I mean and you don't even share that many with me so it's not like I know them through you no and I've I've been vague you're you're like a a vault so you don't tell me as much stuff as people think but I'll say that is funny, right? Because I was there a year. I'm like, you know, there's other people that he could

probably talk to. It was like when Lane Johnson came to, to when I was in Philly with Lane, and Lane said it's not fun in New England and everybody was like, Chris Long's in his ear. I'm like, no, I'm not. They have a reputation. There's thousands of guys that have played there that you could talk to. Yeah, that to me is one of the dumbest things ever. It's like we run all the time, but it's not that much fun. Or like the Reggie Wayne story about, I have like one practice. he was like this practice was harder than anything we ever did in Indianapolis and I'd be like that must be awesome then like let's fucking go and it's like no I'm good

I was just I was I was way happier with just getting a hundred balls a year and you know some easy run if you've been if it's a hard place to go play when you're not hungry anymore or you know less hungry than you were earlier in your career so the tradeoff is once you get there as an older player like you're gonna have to shovel some relative shit but as long as you know what the the transaction is about, and you got no issue with it.

So back to Tom, though, is that I do feel like I don't know how you could be him and have the only scenario in the NFL that existed where Brady would actually be in another team. There's no other franchise where this would have happened. And it happened there. And we can point to certain things look like he was declining a bit because I think they're real and I think they're fair. but no other franchise

lets this guy go put on another uniform him still being at that level, especially with no solution. This isn't like you just spent three first rounders on Trey Lance and you're ready to go and Trey is crushing it with his reps. This was a year where you had no solution where Cam was even worse than he was in Carolina.

Stidum wasn't the answer. And then you kind of may have looked into Mac, but I think Mac, you know, year one was nice. We'll see what it means. So I would never rule out with Brady. And I think you'd agree with this is that maybe it's calculated in that there's something bigger. But it also could be a slight, you know, let me just remind you, even though we've heard the relationships a little bit better. You know, so I don't know all the intimate details of it all, but to leave them out, like, I still think there's going to be a moment where if Brady's having a couple beers with his buddy.

And he's like, can you imagine Belichick fucking doubting me? And I went a Super Bowl in the first year with Tampa. That conversation has, I would bet money, any amount of money that that conversation is half. happened and he's laughed his head off about how well it went for him. Absolutely. And I was going through some stuff, you know, pertaining to his career. Part of the thing that stands out, and this isn't like a hot take, is he had multiple Hall of Fame careers.

He had multiple stages, multiple phases, you know, like the Randy Moss stage. You know, you've got the young, funny-looking Brady before his face changed gradually over the years, like, who they were winning on defense. offense you have obviously before that even happened I bartended at a place called the place in Boston and one of the beer cart girls was like dude Brady fucking asked me out wasted one night I said no you're good for you right when he was is this guy going to get cut Tom Brady like not playing yeah again I don't know he was probably out with all the guys it was a spot where live if all guys wanted to hang out Steve jobs wanted to give me apple stock I said no

She'd be like, whatever, he asked me out. We're like, dude, well, now he's won three Super Bowls in four years, and you're still giving out beers. Yeah. Okay? So I think he's won the transaction. I don't know if she would have hung on, just judging by the accent. He may have, he may have upgraded at some point, not to say that she wasn't perfect.

So, so, okay, before we do the favorite phase of Brady's career on the field, then you know, the whole picture chart of, you know, picture day, Brady, you know, there's 12 of them. His face changes. the whole time, you know, is there any of those pictures that you think you or I are better looking then? You know what I mean? Maybe, yeah, I think when he looks like non-PED leuferigno early on. Yeah. I think I'm better looking. You think you're better looking than young Brady. Yeah. And then once he started upgrading the companionship, I don't know what it is. Like,

what's the skin routine? Like, when you date a model, does it make you hotter? I would think I would look way worse. Right, because you're standing next to her. He's like Don Draper presence as he's closing his two-decade run. I'm looking at like early Brady, and it's just incredible that this guy ended up at the Met Gallo looking like a Marvel villain. It's just incredible. I mean, this guy deserves a lot of credit for what he did on the field, but also for what he

did to his, like, you know, his face. it looks awesome. Give me this because you and I have not really talked about this much. I don't even know if you ever hung out with him when you were there. I'm not off the out of the facility. Not once. You didn't hang out with Brady once. No, but you know, like, no, I didn't hang out with anybody, really. Like the closest thing I ever did to hang out with somebody famous was like on the offensive side of the ball was, you know, like, Gronk had to borrow something and walked over to my house.

Like, you know what I mean? You know, is that. What did Gronk have to borrow? I don't remember, but it was it was like 10 o'clock at night in a snowstorm. No, I don't fucking care. You know, if Gronk borrows something, you expect to have given it to him. You know, it's like, I'm not expecting Grongk to remember. But honestly, Brady and I never hung out. I thought he was awesome and he was really cool to me. I've talked about that at length. But my proudest moment was when I went to the Super Bowl after I played and I ran into him in like kind of like in the valet. area outside of a hotel.

And I wasn't going to come up and say anything because that's kind of like, you know, it's like, fuck everybody that play with Brady wants to take five minutes of his time. He's with Giselle, who I'd never met. And he actually made eye contact with me and kind of like walked over to meet me and introduce me to Giselle. He said, this is Chris Long. I love this guy. We won a championship.

I'm like, this is great. Tom Brady loves me. Like, that's my career's work culminated in one interaction. He actually, he actually eye contact. introduce me to Giselle and then said he loved me. I'm good. We're good here. The goat.

He was super gracious. I love Tom Brady. Love you back, Tom. You are so humble because everybody likes you, all right? And there's no reason that Tom Brady is like. Speak for the motherfuckers in this building. No, but I would say. People outside your workplace.

Okay. I know you love Sam Bradford. So it's going to be tough. So Sam's your guy. And Sam, Sam, Sam is a great in a setting because you're just like he's hanging. out. He's hanging out. You know exactly. Yeah. There's no drama. There's never going to be anything. You know what Sam Bradford

wants and what he doesn't want by the look on his face and that is what I'm into. You know, just somebody who just you know, I know exactly when not to fuck with you about something. Right. No secrets at Sam Bradford's face. But I would say that you would agree that Tom, despite the

superhero status, is still a guy's guy, which is really hard. Right. NBA guys at his level can't be normal anymore. That's I still, that's why I still love Durant because I think Durant at the very core of everything. Regular, regular guy. Loves, loves playing basketball. Like, I fucking love getting shots up.

Like, if he sees a hoop somewhere, he'd be like, I'm just going to get some shots up. So I think Tom still has some of that, maybe that state is quite like, again, I don't really, I met him two times. He would never remember in a million years. Did he love you? No, no, no, no. I'm just fucking with you. No. He loved me.

He loves me. He loves me, dude. He's my guy. The other thing I've heard, too, is that Chazelle's the best. That she's so cool that she's like totally gets what the deal is and makes everybody else feel welcome. Where like everybody's like without knowing her, she's actually the opposite. Like the assumption that she's a supermodel Brazil. Like I'm my husband like leaning alone.

She's the opposite. And then everybody that I, again, I have some friends that are sort of on the periphery of things at times who've told me she is the fucking best. Yeah. She always seems super gracious and super. They're just a nice couple, man. And so I wish them the best in the future. I mean, like, it's got to feel so good to say, I don't even know what he's going to do next.

I mean, like, obviously he spent time with his kids, his wife, but this guy could do any number of things. Is it going to be a production studio? Is it going to be, like, launching a blockchain? Like, what do you got? Because I asked Steve the other night, and he said, Stanford Steve said, maybe he's going to be James Bond.

Like, what do you think is next for Tom Brady? A guy, the next James Bond. I don't like this. You don't like that one? I don't like. I would say production company, because if there's anything I've learned about how people get paid, is if you just start a production company, you just get paid like five times more what you normally would. Should we call this a production company?

I think we have called it. Where the fuck is the five times? So that's pretty good. All right. So one quick note. You know how people always get mad? Well, they always give the Pats a lot of credit for drafting him. And I don't give the Pats much credit, although there was one guy in that building.

God rest of soul. that since passed away, I can't remember his name. He was a scout that obviously they made a big deal about it. He wanted Brady. But on the other side of things, you know who doesn't get shit on enough for not picking Tom Brady? The Cleveland Browns, man. 16 picks before Brady, they drafted Spurgeon win.

16 picks. Tom was the last quarterback drafted. I don't think we make a big enough deal about that. Of all teams to miss out on Brady, they're the ones with the CVS receipt of quarterbacks post 2000. And they missed out on Tom Brady. Yeah, you know what I always love after the fact, and this happens literally all the time. Every, I just looked it up right now.

Okay. So you talk about the Pat Scout that wanted Brady. Yes. Dick Rabin. Dick Rabin. Yep. Patriots quarterback coach. Yeah.

Good stuff, Macon. Thank you. No, it's Cowboy. You can act like it's Macon. It's Cowboy Reed. Macon's out today. Oh, wait. Okay.

Did you think make, holy shit, you think their voices are the same too? Well, to be fair, I didn't say hi

when, when he was doing you. I didn't say anything. No, I thought it was making it and I went, I'm kind of wearing the chain ironically,

but whatever coffee house fucking Portlandia looked at me as what's going on now, I'm not going to say. Oh, so maybe you laughed when he sat down

because you thought Macon was dressed up as a fucking guy at a fish market, but it's just Cowboy Reed. Yeah, I like it. Now it was like, yeah,

he was like a fucking cowboy. Before with make, when I thought you were making, I went, what the fuck is he doing? Well, then when you thought it was making, were you surprised that making didn't give you, didn't chime in on the chain? Yeah, he would have dominated the beginning. Right, right. He would have been all in on that. I would have just figured he was jealous after it was not. Because I got the perfect length too, which is also tricky.

But back to the football stuff. When I Googled Scout that wanted Brady, there's like seven other teams that go, yeah, we actually wanted. And it's one of my favorite things about having any access to any, clearly with me more on the NBA side. But after a guy is good and the team fucks it up, there's always the guy that will go, yeah, we, I was, I was. Dolphins this week. Dolphins. That's right. We would have traded all three first rounders for the Bengals.

Per source. Yeah. Per source. Chris Greer. Justin Herbert was still available. Yeah, you could have fucking picked Justin Herbert, but let's, you know, I don't know. you were going to say, though, there's always a guy. There's like six guys. The Browns,

the Browns, though, don't get enough heat for that. It's all I'm saying. I don't know, man. I mean, the guy, the Brady thing is kind of bullshit. Like the story of, you know, he didn't play at Michigan. He lost his job. That's always been overrated. It's bullshit. Oh, look at the snap count stuff. Yeah, there was a little drama with it, but whatever. And, you know, we focus on the wrong things with quarterback.

And he's one of the best examples of it. You know, lack of arm strength. He's a terrible athlete. but there's difference between being a good athlete and being mobile inside the pocket. During his prime, he had the best pocket awareness of anyone I've ever seen play the position. All he had to do was move up a little bit, roll his shoulders forward. He was nuts. I got to know a guy out here who worked out with him, who wasn't really working out with him,

but was telling me about his workout thing. And, you know, there's a reason. There's a reason that he figured it all out. We used to kind of laugh at like the diet and all those different things. But, you know, he was out there at 44 doing something that's never been. been done. So forget the resume. The fact that he was still doing it this late. And I know we probably didn't, we didn't plan on doing a 30

minute Brady Love Fest, but if anybody deserves it, it's him. Yeah, no question. I mean, we had to do some, and I said this the other day, just what you talked about. His pocket mobility was the reason I thought after that game he could play another five years. You know, the balls were still on target. I mean, he didn't have his best

game. But this year, he looked really good. He didn't get hit a lot this year. He didn't get hit a lot. Yeah. It's the cleanest. He's been in 10 years is one place. And he was moving really well. He moved to make plays like vintage Brady. Now, obviously not quite as quick or anything like that,

but I was surprised by this. So whatever's next for him, best of luck. And I will be posting a picture on Instagram. The prerequisite, I know Tom Brady. I've been six feet or less away from him. I will be posting that picture later today.

I'm going to airbrush myself into it. Yeah, hold me to that too. Yeah, I'll airbrush you into it. You're the perfect guy to answer question. Jim Harbaugh because you follow the college stuff really close. So you also follow the pros. He's actually interviewing again in Minnesota National Signing Day. Like what's going on here?

I think he's leveraging. I mean, he's up for a new deal at Michigan. Like, does he really want to go back to the pros? Okay. From the outside, I would have agreed with you because I'd be like maybe he's just leveraging this because he lost all that money. Remember Harbaugh at one point I think was making more than any other coach. I think he was like touching nine with bonuses at a certain year.

They still wouldn't 70% of their game. They're not being Ohio State. than not in big enough bowl games, even though I still think his run at Michigan was better than than people were talking about it. You know, when you raise the stakes, which Harbaugh does beyond other guys, who's got it better than us for making videos and all this shit? It's like, cool, you're losing to Michigan State and Ohio State every year. You know, we're supposed to be a playoff. All right, well, then it finally happens. Remember, prior this year, he renegotiated his contract. My point was always this, if he's happy at Michigan and Michigan's happy with him,

despite not being Ohio State, which Michigan doesn't beat Ohio State anyway. Plenty of you guys couldn't do it before he got there. Right, exactly. Right. So you're kind of doing the same thing with a guy that's a little flash here and a bigger name. If you guys are happy with each other, then I'm, I'm cool with it. And he took a massive pay cut. He went from like eight annually to four, but almost made it all back on the bonuses because he beats Ohio State, wins the Big Ten, Big Ten championship game, and then plays in the playoff. If this were just about leverage, Chris, in wanting to get a deal back to what he was doing before, it would make sense, except apparently he gave all the bonus money back to the athletic program.

So if that's what he did, was like, hey, all the bonus money, whatever. Like, if he was about every single dollar, would he have done that in the one year? Well, maybe he could have his cake and eat it too. You give your bonuses back. You look like a good guy. And then you make a fuck ton of money

because you went and talked to the people in Minnesota on signing day. Right. I also think the, yeah, you're totally right. And I also think the NIL stuff in the portal deal, like you're either wired for it or you're not. Right. You know. he could be like fuck this right there are definitely a lot of guys right now in college football

that are like fuck this this is ridiculous and you know i don't i love that the players are getting their cut i think there's some really shady shit that's going on yeah no question but there was before on college football has been shady a long time now the players just get a get a get access to the back room yeah i have no problem with it but now the asks are are beyond like if people really knew what was going on. Oh, I wouldn't coach in college. Yeah. So I don't know if that's what Jim's motivation was, but I've heard enough from people, you know, in my college circles where you'll hear guys go, this is so out of control right now. I'm kind of sick of having it. Like, you always had to re-recruit your kids anyway with the transfer stuff, but now it's fucking another

level. So mailbag. Number one, concerts, you hate to admit that you've been to. This is from our menders. I don't hate it. It is a little weird. I mean. I'm older. This is where the gap kicks in. But 86, Harvard Civic Center, Cinderella opened up for Jovi. What? I was 11 and a girl invited me and we sat there with the parents. But then there was a rumor that I was dancing a lot at the concert. And that got out.

It launched the next day. It was fucking curtains for your boy for a couple days. Really? Because you were dancing at Cinderella? I wasn't. I was, you know, it was like I was 11. You know, and then her sister, like it was kind of cool that I got invited by this girl. And then like the sister was a little bit older.

And I saw her sipping on nips with some other like ruffian type who was just at the Civic Center. Yeah. You know, it's a rough crowd. Cinderella, especially. It didn't fuck around. Yeah. I mean, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think the venue was even tame on a night like that. Yeah, but this is this is Hartford.

Hartford. Hartford. That's a different ball game. Right. So I'm in Hartford. Hartford. And I'm at a rock concert. And the parents are there.

they were really nice. It was really nice to them bring me along. And I don't know if the girl liked me or something. It never developed. We were 11. So we moved on. But it's cold play for me. It's cold play. Wait, what? Why are you embarrassed? I don't know if I'm embarrassed, but cold play is a funny thing for me. It's like there was a time when I was really into cold play. Okay. And there's a time where I'm really not into cold play. And I think like they kind of fell off a clip. But now I'm as a 36 year old man. I'm like, were they ever that good? And I remember going to a concert and being way into it and then walking away and saying like, hey, they weren't that good.

Chris Martin didn't sound that great live. Wow. It's devastating. Yeah, it was devastating. There was a time like where I was hanging out with Jeff Ament from Pearl Jam, who's not a name drop as a guy. No, I like Jeff and he's the man. His neighbor in Montana.

And he was like, you've been to any good concerts lately. and all I had for him was cold play. And I felt kind of fucking like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, a, like a, a, okay, yeah, oh, that's cool. But I'm like, like telling one of the guys from Pearl Jam, I just had a cold play concert. So I'm a little bit, yeah, cold play. I've, like a, like a, read, should I be embarrassed going to a cold play concert?

Uh, uh, if it was just cold play, maybe, yeah, okay. Yeah, that's right. I went to a, I went to an area and a grande concert. You went to an arena grande concert? I met. my lady friend and some of her friends at the Ariana Grande concert. Like for the first time you all met? No, no, no, no.

She was there already. I had, we had finished, finished the show here and then I met them. Sure she's great. Yeah. No, Ariana. Ryan, I know your lady friend's great, but Erin, I'm sure she's great. You're the only dude with all the girls at Ariana Grande?

No, no, no. There was three girls, one other guy. How was it? loud bright lights you know I cut like the last three songs screaming yeah a lot of oh my god holy shit cameras uh Ryan that tour was the

slippery when wet tour correct yeah yeah it just come out because they did they did uh they did uh dead or alive acoustically to close that shit out you might be able to pull up that set list I mean that dead are alive

pink flamingos raise your hands Breakout. I'd die for you. Tokyo Road. You give love a bad name. Wild in the street. Silent Night. Living on a prayer. Let it rock. Guitar solo, drum solo. In and out of love, runaway, wanted dead or alive. Drift away the Dobie Gray cover and get ready. So, yeah, it was near the end. Maybe we had a leave. Maybe it was a school night and they made a sleep. I thought it was the encore. I mean, I also, the roughest concert I've ever been to. Spin Doctors, Warwick, Rhode Island, 1992. Spin Doctors was a rough concert. I was right up in front and was got destroyed.

It was unbelievable. Spin doctors were so mad the whole time. Wallflowers opened for him. Of course. Jacob Dylan, Bob Dylan's son. And they were just like, this sucks. And then the lead guy for the spin doctors was like, what is wrong with you fucking people? Do you not get out enough?

And it was Warwick, man. They don't fuck around down there. You know how that weird Rhode Island stretch is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's rougher in these pockets of Rhode Island than people realize. And so we went there in high school from the vine. took the boat over car pulled it over warwick we were fired up pocket full of

kryptonite we were fucking peek and it was great and then uh it was it was mayhem but guys were just mauling each other and the band kept yelling at us the entire time it's pretty funny jesus i don't know if ever been to one like that i wouldn't talk kevin gates and east st louis what was that like oh my god i don't remember a lot of it in fact i'm not even positive i was there i'll put it that way but i know i know that one night we were somewhere and we said we were going to Kevin Gates and I've kind of remember loud music and it was one of those things where I couldn't tell if Kevin Gates was actually there or they were just playing his music on the loud thing but it was crowded.

Ryan if you ever tell this story again it's April 3rd, 1987 was the concert you were into. Oh, okay. So maybe. Hartford Civic Center. He was 17. No, no. So how about worst embarrassing gym habit that you, or trend that you did once? I mean, you're going to have a good one. The only thing I ever did that was embarrassing was I was at a hotel, like a nice hotel, and I was getting some lifts in. I was in college, and I was squatting like 350 and unloaded the one side.

You know, I don't know if you ever unloaded the one side, but the entire fucking, the barbell went like a chopstick just flying across the gym. And there was, there were babes everywhere laughing at me. I was in college. just before I met my lovely wife. And it was embarrassing. Hit the glass mirror by act of God. It didn't break the mirror.

But it was loud. There were five, six plates. Wasn't fucking around back then. I mean, you could argue my first run through high school was always embarrassing because I should have never been in there. Like the only thing you could do was leg press or leg,

you know, you do calf raises on the leg press. You're like, oh, crushing two plates on each side. Because none of the upper body stuff was ever working for me. I remember, like, I didn't lift through college, and then I had some non-lift years after college, and I was just so sick of it. I was like, you went from skinny and you worked out,

but you were just skinny because you weren't going to fill out. I didn't really fill out until it was like 26 or 27. Yeah. Which is not. Still filling out. Still filling out. Yep. 237 the other day on the text. You and I are dangerously close, dude. This is so funny. You and I are dangerously close. I'm not 237 like walking around.

The other day I was 237 and I sent you the text that's on the thread. And I went, okay, this is now, this is dangerously close to like too big. Yeah. Well, when that day happens, we got to do something. I don't know. Oh, so anyway, here's the point is. So I went through a like a lot of stuff in my life. I'll go, hey, are you fucking serious?

Are you going to address this? You know? Are you going to handle this? Are you going to make a change? Like, make a change. You hate the way you look. You feel. weak and it makes you feel weaker.

Fuck that. Step it up. Let's go on that journey. So I joined a gym that was the only thing I could afford and there's some rough dudes in there in Vermont. And you know how like when you're just not used to protocol a new gym and you're not the biggest guy and there's some big guys that you just already, you're already 20% weaker.

It's like starting your video game up. Yeah, you can't walk confidently around the gym. You can't tiptoe around the machines and shit. Right. Right. So I grab a couple dumbbells. And I'm like, you know, it had been a long time because I didn't live through college at all. And I was like, you know, all right, okay.

You know, this isn't so bad. This is so man. I see some guy like looking at me. And he's just looking. He's trying to figure it out. And he's watching me. And then I like put him back. He's like, do you know you had a 40 and a 30?

That's not like, uh, he's like, is that's like something you do? Some muscle confusion thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, just I always keep the body guessing. Yeah, you hit it with the keep the body guessing. And I just totally, I hadn't been, I'd been out of the game for such a long time.

Because I did lift in high school. It did nothing for me. I was super weak. And then I got to college and I think I weighed 170 pounds my freshman year. We need more Rosillo college pictures. That's, that's your homework. I need more Rosillo college pictures. Next time you go home, take pictures.

I'd rather there be less. So we're good. Here you go. This was, I thought, a pretty good one and perfect for you. that's why somebody's sending in. This is from Move Maker, office characters as head coaches. I was looking hard for a guy who or a gal who fit the bill,

and you're like a 500 level, 300 level professor in this show. Only thing I came out with was like David Wallace, maybe. Like give him a shot. He probably gets fired after a year or two because he's kind of a pushover. But like think of all the things he dealt with. David Wallace is, yeah, He was a good man. There's not a lot of good men on that show.

Now, the David Wallace said the suck it thing at the end of the office was probably like his mojo moment. Like, keep that to yourself. Like that, that's not going to work. But everything else, David Wallace was pretty great. All right. I would say, I thought we were going to do cons. So I was kind of thinking Mike Martz's creed. Okay, I like this better.

That's probably the way that's probably the way the question was posed. So like just different. Like I'm not even talking about the way they look, but when Creed goes, I've been a part of many cults, both as a leader and follower. You have more sex as a leader. Yeah, and he had sex in the 60s

rolling around on the ground in the mud and all that. So yeah, it's just like a weird. I could just see Marks where you're like, are you a genius or are you not? Is Robert California? Is that Belichick? Robert California is on my list.

I don't think he's Belichick. I think Robert California is actually a Washington football team executive before they started to try to clean things up or at least appear to. I was going to say Stanley is Belichick. Stanley's Belichick. The hobbies and stuff? Just over it.

Yeah. Over it, does his job. Do your job. Leave me alone. Okay. Okay. Keep going. I think Cushanahan is actually Jim.

Kyle? Yeah. Irritated by everybody. I think Shanahan's like got this perpetual like, these people irritate. Remember the way he looked at that de-coordinator and that viral Cleveland Browns? It was Mike Patton. Remember Mike Patton?

Yeah. Remember Mike Patton was like, oh, you know. I think we run here. Yeah. Yeah. And then and then. And he just looks defeated. Yeah.

And then Cav looks at him just like, I got you. Motherfucker. Like that's the Jim Halpert kind of weird confidence. That guy makes you almost uncomfortable. I don't know if there isn't Michael Scott. I was trying to figure one out. Like Jerry Glendon.

I don't be able. What about what about Pam is Gruden? Just hate her. Terrible emails. Who had the worst emails? Yeah, Michael Scott was,

remember he's like, I am the king of forwards. Yeah. And then Dwight was trying to get Michael to forward his joke. Yeah. He's like forward it. Would you consider it?

I mean, I got Toby Flanderson as a coach that just gets walked. Toby has a lot of like upper management NFL coach that's trying to climb the ladder. like just spineless, you know, but kisses up to the right people. I think Toby, there's a Toby Flanderson out there.

We took these completely different directions. Now I don't want to name one. I don't want to name a Toby Flanderson cop after what you just said. I don't want to say it. I don't want to say a real person's name. Is Roy Tom Cable? Oh, hold on the second. Roy.

I don't know who Roy is. Roy's PIMs first. No, I'm saying it's a coach. Oh, yeah, yeah. was actually funny. Roy's the Roy's he was the where did Roy work

downstairs with with Daryl? Yeah and then they and then they and then they and then he got cucked he got cucked which by the way

you know I'm shocked we've gotten this far without you disparaging Pam I mean you kind of halfway did do you want to do your I'm prepared

to a gruden I don't think that's much of a compliment you're right it's not anymore who's most shrewt who's Moes Shrewt

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There's a Mike Leach here Well there's Creed probably has a little bit more Mike Leach That's what I'm saying Who's Mark Trestman Who trustman Todd Packer Todd Packer

That one That doesn't make any sense. Todd Packer is, I'm trying to think of somebody who's just got no cuth. When he says, when he says Michael Skies, like, where's Michael Snots? Sniffing some dude's thong, probably. Yeah, just like, I'm trying to. It doesn't even make any sense. All right.

So here's what we need to do. We need to retreat to our corners. I like the way you took the mailbag questions. So we're going to do this again. your long homework is to we do a better chart where I take the question correctly and then we do this again okay

you know how I started improv I was walking down the street and Dale and R. Jr. drove by and he was like oh my God, you're the funniest you're hilarious and that's improv. What is that? Who said that? Michael Scott says it at the end of his

improv class where everybody hates him I got I got stump the other day I get so mad when people don't understand some of the layers of brilliance in how I can't imagine how much fun it was to work on that show because there's just some things that they do where you go

all right nobody else really try to do this and you know Steve Carell makes it possible too because he's just so fucking good and you don't know what's happening as it's happening I mean like I watch but they would also change the rules on some stuff too

like Michael wasn't always I was saying this to somebody the other day but Michael's a loser and he's tough to work with. We were doing on my podcast today because you're talking about this boss and life advice. But then they would have these little samples of where there would be somebody else who was even worse than Michael, which would allow Michael to pretend he was cool because this other guy sucks so bad. Yeah, he tried out of any self-awareness. Toby, Toby.

I told you I saw Toby in a real Equinox here in L.A., right? Did you really? Was he jacked? No. Okay. Ryan Rissillo. Thank you for the time. If you're in Arizona, Colorado, Indiana, New Jersey, Tennessee, or Virginia, and you haven't yet tried the Winbet app, I've got great news for you. Winbet is now offering a 200% wager match for new users up to $1,500.

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It's my dude. Hey, Sam Hubbard, kid I really like, big fan of your boy, so that's why he likes our podcast. He's W-D. So, you know, I gave him some hope. Now he's a boss.

signed a big deal. So awesome for him. And we're gonna do this interview on, sponsored by Roeback, clothing company. We'll tell you a little bit about that. But I went back and watched the AFC championship game. Kansas City could really run the ball early. And obviously I'll talk to Sam about the turning point

where they make that play in the red zone. But as a rusher, you watch some of the herculean efforts that it took to get Mahomes down late in the game. And they didn't have a sack until the beginning of the fourth quarter, as much pressure Trey Hendrickson got as much as they were back there. The sacks started happening for Patrick Mahomes when you drop more people.

He almost slows the clock down. And in the red zone, that's how they scored two of their touchdowns early. You know, him extending plays, moving around. The Bengals did a better job of that in the second half, and Sam Hubbard had a lot to do with that. In the second half, Mahomes had a 52.9% adjusted completion rate, a 12.3 passer rating and an average of only 3.1 yards per attempt. Crazy. And they did.

Just flood the zones and rush three more. And you know, really, the sacks are there, as you saw. Even if it's against a quarterback like Mahomes, you could tempt him into holding the ball for a long time. And then it's more of a game of like tag

in the backyard. I mean, like, and you could see how tired those guys got. Next gen stats had the bangles dropping eight plus coverage defenders on a season high, 35% of past plays holding Mahomes to just seven of 13 for 59 yards in a pick and two sacks. Crazy.

That front will not have to deal with Patrick Mahomes until next year. Matt Stavert is not Patrick Mahomes. Matt Staver does a lot of things really well, but one of them is not buying a ton of time in the red zone. And so it'll be interesting to see how

they rush him. And for the Bengals, it'll be a lot better. It'll just be like if you're a rusher coming in this week, you feel like they're a place to be made. So it's so exciting for him two weeks from now getting to play on the world's

biggest stage. She's had a two-piece in the NFC championship. You're fantasizing about that rush. Like I could win the game, knock the ball out. It very well could happen. I could be Brandon Graham. You know, and it's going to be easier to get there for them. Their toughest test

was last week. The tough thing is stopping the run. And I'm not going to, you know, bring up a sore subject with them, but, you know, with Sam, but Kansas City was able to run the football early in the game. L.A., can they run the football? And can they trust Cam Acres? So it'll be interesting to talk to Sam and hear from him about this team. They've come a long way, and they're not just happy to be here.

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He's won half of that dynamic duo in CENC, the WDE pairing of Hubbard and Hendrickson. I've got Sam Hubbard on the phone today. Sam, how are we doing, ma'am? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on. It's great talking to you. You're here and this interview is brought to you by Roeback for the people at home.

Like Roeback is pretty damn cool. We have a Charlottesville connection. We have a Hubbard connection. We have a long connection. Sam, do the honors and tell us about Roeback. Yeah, Roback's a cool company. It's actually founded. One of the three founders is my cousin, Kevin Hubbard.

And they started back like 2017, 2018, just kind of giving me some golf shirts and early products that I really liked and they've kind of developed as my career has gone on. They've grown. I've grown. And now they've got hoodies, QZips, all types of really good stuff. And, you know, once you try it on once, you're going to want it for a long time. They're a great company. Dude, I really do need to kind of, because I'm pretty much wearing the same thing every day.

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wearing a little Q-Zip every once in a while. It's a little, it's a grown-up vibe when you throw on the Q-Zip. Could you see Joey Buckets in the, in the Q-Zip by Ro-Back? Could you get Joey in some of the row-back gear? And do you get like a giant finder's fee if you get that sucker in some Ro-Back?

He's actually worn the t-shirt in one of his other Instagram ads a long time ago. And I've given him huddies. He likes it. This dude, Sam Hubbard, if you go on his Instagram, go follow him. him because his outfits to games are fire. They're understated.

They're fired. They're not, his buddy Burrow has some of the most, like the most outlandish kind of stroll up gear. I was going to ask you your favorite Joe Burrow look. Okay, we've got the square frames Joe Burrow. We have the wide receiver t-shirt Joe Burrow. We have the green checkered suit Joe Burrow. We even have the necklace and fur coat Joe Burrow, which we saw last week.

And then maybe my personal favorite, the bad Santa Joe. which Joe is your favorite Joe that's a tough one I think he really does I mean the thing about his outfit he doesn't consult with anybody he just shows up wearing it with all confidence in the world

and it's uh it's amazing but the glasses the the square frames that he wore I like saw him at first I was like oh I don't know about that that's a tough look to pull off a tough one but he did and then the entire city

the following game in Tennessee every picture tailgate I saw, everyone had them on. Like, they must have got them on Amazon, like mass produced. And I don't know, they're hit. You can't do anything wrong. So it's got to be the glass frames.

Dude, are they Cartier? Like the, like what he said in his little Instagram post? Is he, because I'm out of the fucking loop, dude. I'm 36 data too. I don't try anymore. I think at first they were like really like cheap ones that he just got online. And they got a package from

Carrier of the real ones that he wore last week and yeah there Cardier. The Joe Burrow drip. So Ohio boy grew up a Bengals fan. Now he gets fast forward makes two of the biggest plays in franchise history in a row. I mean like dude I text you the other night

I was like you must be on fucking cloud night. I mean this is just they write movies about this stuff between the two of y'all. Do you think it was a good thing that y'all didn't win at home knowing Bengals fans? They might have burnt the city down or would they have been well behaved? I don't know.

I think in the past, whatever, 88, when we did this the last time went to the Super Bowl, we had the home field advantage the whole time. We won all our playoff games at home. And Tennessee was the first playoff road, or, yeah, road playoff win in history. But I don't know. The videos, my, yeah, the videos of the bars erupting when the kick went through, people just weeping, like embracing each other for 20 minutes. It's that's the best part.

Just seeing that, the energy, the city's going nuts right now. Dude, I, you know, I said the other day, I couldn't think of a comp for like Bengals fans. And I was like, I don't know, Chicago, they had 85, though. You know, and they've had some success. They were in a Super Bowl post-2000. And really the Bengals weren't as bad as I think the Bengals get associated with this like dumpster fire before this kind of turnover. y'all were in the playoffs a lot like you know it just kind of a team that's close a lot and so it made me think of the eagles like honestly eagles fans they were so star for that super bowl and the city damn near imploded after we won the nFC championship at home these folks have been waiting a long time i'm sure you're meeting all types of people what's your favorite memory or like when did you have the most hope as a bengles fan growing up um yeah that's crazy uh crazy story of it all we've had a lot of

success, great seasons, but the postseason, like, losing in the playoffs is really what's been the Achilles Hill. Like, the game that I remember the most was when we were playing the Steelers. I forget what year. I was in, like, grade school at the time. And Carson Palmer blew out his knee. He got, I don't know if you remember. Yeah.

Got his, like, knee speared. And after that, I mean, that was the year. Everyone had all the hope. Then he got hurt. We lost the Steelers. And ever since then, it's been like a. curse as far as like my lifetime you know the the penalties against the Steelers recently like 2015 I think that was but yeah once we beat the Raiders at home is like all that just lifted in

one instant and uh you know it's a new new day what about a favorite celebrity bengals fan because I didn't realize you guys got some fucking A list fans here I mean like it's not a Woody harrelson George Clooney Gary Owen Nick Lachay and Kirk Herb Street. Not to mention Carmen Elektra. Carmen Elektra. And Jerry Springer. Wow.

Have you, you surprised by some of those names? Did you know? I didn't know. I knew Kirk Curkirk Street. Kirkherstreet. Naturally, yeah. A lot of the,

Nick Lechay, he's a Cincinnati guy. But yeah, those are all news to me. That's pretty cool. So then does that count if the player on the Bengals doesn't know that they're a celebrity fan? Does that actually count? They got a, They got, yeah, they got to let you know that they're celebrity fans. You're going to have so many celebrity fans to sift through now that you guys are in the Super Bowl.

It's like it feels like you guys are now the coolest team in America. Do you feel that? I don't know. I mean, this is a pretty meteoric rise. I mean, last year we won four games. And I think everybody's rooting for us just because of the, you know, no expectations were on us, really, or anybody talking about us at the start. But, yeah, it's already day two of Super Bowl prep. And I just already overwhelmed by just tickets and everything media requests.

Like it's chaos. But it's, I mean, I'm sure you have experience with how crazy it gets. Dude, yeah. I mean, like, I don't think people understand in the regular season that tickets cost money. You know, when people ask you, they hit you up for tickets, which I'm sure is like the only bad thing about good and bad thing about playing your home state. I mean, everybody can get to the game. And now you're going to L.A.

I'm sure you've getting a bunch of requests. What's the most like unreasonable part of this whole deal, Super Bowl week from two days of experience? I think it's just like the not knowing because it's so like hard to get, you know, what you're being given to by the team as far as tickets, hotels, flights, who needs them, who's who's going to plan to go. You know, you want to make sure everybody can get there because it's like a once a lifetime thing. So it's a lot of logistical headaches, but my family's the best. They're really shielded me from it and doing it all themselves. Do you know when you all go out there? Yeah, I think we're going out on Tuesday next week.

Boy, that meeting before the Super Bowl is like as long as the preseason meeting. You know, like logistical meeting. Hey, this is our hotel. This is where we'll be staying. There's how many tickets you get. I mean, it is the ultimate distraction paired with, hey, I got to get ready to play a football game. Yeah. I mean, that's going to be the whole thing. I talked to Nick Bosa, former Bucke, he played in the Super Bowl. And the first thing he said is like,

don't let the distractions get to, you know, from playing the game. So that's going to be the goal. All right. So I want to ask you about one guy on the Bengals. He's been waiting a very long time to play in a game like this. And I'm so happy for him, just because of the way he looks, Clark Harris. Talk to me about Clark Harris and his role. And just how exciting it is to have a guy that's been there since fucking 2009. He looks 60 years old with that handlebar. He actually is a good looking guy without it. He's a good looking guy with it. I'll say that great cowboy. You probably think so. Agreed. Yeah. Clark Harris, what's he mean to the team? What's his, what, like, what's that guy

like? Clark Harris is like, I don't know, he's just the staple. Like, he's one of my favorite players on the team. He's, he's been doing it for like 14 years. He started out as a tight end. you know just started snapping one day and it's like carved out a roll and he's I mean there's just so many things you could say like away games he's the best chirper of all time he gets into it with every single fan behind our bench and you know he's got the long hair I mean he's just a chiller he's just an awesome dude can he drink beer definitely okay he's it's it's as it looks yeah no he's He's the man.

Like, everything that he looks is what he embodies. Okay, good. Okay, good. You talked about last year, kind of getting over the hump, this team, y'all lost so many close games. I mean, you know, I followed along closely. There were so many one-score games. What do you think the biggest key was to take that next step?

Because people always talk about knowing how to win football games. And you've been there when this team didn't know how to win football games. You've seen two and 14. You've seen six and 10. you saw last year where you felt like a good team that didn't know how to win in those moments. What do you think the big difference was last year to this year? Yeah, I think it was just doing it. Like you actually have to like go through the process of making those plays that like take the win.

You know, like it's really hard to win in this league. And until you like, you know, make that interception or that strip sack or that game winning touchdown in crunch time, then you get the confidence that you can do it. situation and also the fact that Joe got hurt i mean i remember vividly right after talking to joe when he got hurt he was like damn man like we were really about to start winning games going to run that back half the second half of those eight games last year and uh just was cut short by that but um you know he comes back healthy and we win a few games without him here we are holy shit i was when he got swipe low against tennessee i think it was i think he got hit in the knees and i was like

damn dude flashback last year that was such a rough moment him laying on the turf was there doubt that he'd get back to this you know like you you know internally in his mind and anybody's mind on the team because i know the way it looked i didn't think this year was a thing for him i really didn't think i thought he'd be rehabbing into october yeah i mean it was a freak play it was really ugly but i mean i just jim we train out here in cincinnati uh like leading up to the season And he was rehabbing with his guy, training with his guy. And I saw him in there every day. And he looked really good, just grinding it out every day, like three.

He would, like, do rehab and then lift, like, four hours a day. And, I mean, just put in the work. And he's looking strong as ever. Like, I think at first he felt a little, I don't want to speak on his mental, but he felt a little uneasy. How could you not from that injury? But, I mean, he came overcame that so quickly. It's amazing.

You know, you talked about getting over the hump, like where do you think you guys realized, okay, we've done this? Was there a moment? Because I can remember moments like in Philly or in New England, they kind of knew like, hey, we know how to do this. But we kind of had to learn as a team in 17. And I feel like there were times and moments and wins where we said, okay, we're for real. And some of them were late in the season. We didn't know, like we knew we were good, but we didn't know we were for real, for real until late in the season. And I wonder if you guys had a moment or win like that this year.

I think we had a bunch. I think losing on the road to Chicago and then coming back with like a make-it-or-break-it game against the Steelers at their place, like deciding what type of team we're going to be to be able to go out there and win that on the road. You know, Baltimore game. You know, coming back to win the final minutes of that process. time game against Jacksonville at home. It's just been a crazy year. I think we've let a few slip away only because we've done it ourselves or hurt ourselves

and, you know, kind of gave the game away. Yeah. Well, it just shows how hard it is to win this league. And I remember that game against Jacksonville. I mean, you guys are neck and neck the entire game and the rest of the season looks totally different for the two teams. It's just really hard to win. I mean, you talk about early in the season like Chicago,

that game being a dog fight right up to the end and losing that one and that sort of thing. So it's just crazy the way teams kind of separate as the year goes on. And you guys even had, I mean, I've been there. Okay, you lost to the Jets. And then I think you guys lost another game the week after. I can't remember which one it was. But that's got to be a really rock bottom type moment losing the Jets, giving up 34. Cleveland.

Yeah, Cleveland. Yeah, it's Cleveland. Then our by week and then we had the Raiders at the Raiders and it was like Osher them mentality for the rest of the year. Like whoever wins that Raiders games going like this, whoever loses. So yeah. Take me back before the half because of this game Sunday. I mean, like everybody knows that was the key.

I mean, there was a lot of keys in that game, but them not getting points before the half. Like they go up 28. I don't know. What are y'all thinking when you go in? To be being honest, I've been down 28 to three and we've won that game and I didn't think we were going to win that game. That was at the biggest moment of the game? Yeah, no doubt. I mean, at the time it was like hard to understand the gravity of it because like that first half was like a blur. It felt like Mahomes was just like in total control. You know, it was just tough to get anything going and then that play happens.

Apple makes that play. We kind of go into half, regroup, settle in, and then just went back out there. But without that play, I don't, yeah, I don't know if we ever settle in. What adjustments did you all make? Because the first four possessions, the Chiefs go 84, 75, 72, and 80. You mentioned they stopped. You guys stopped them on the goal right before half time there. First five possessions of the third and fourth quarters went for 34 total yards and just two first downs. What did you guys kind of notice that you needed to do in that in that second half? Yeah, I mean, we never really felt like we were out of it. I think we got in there and said like just we all know we're good enough to win this game.

We've been here before. It's exactly like the script where the first time we played them. And I think that, I mean, Lou Aneromo switched up the calls a little bit to be a little bit more, you know, drop eight, rush three. keep them in the pocket type situations because we were really trying to get after them. In the first half, he was just scrambling around, extending plays. And then, you know,

second half, we were more trying to contain them and stop them from extending the plays and that really worked for us. And the back end was able to do their job. And, you know, we just got the ball, just get the ball back to Joe.

That's what we want to do on defense. I don't know if you guys notice this, but, you know, Your secondary didn't allow a second half reception to Tyreek Hill. You did not get the ball in the second half. Yeah, they changed things up on him. Yep. I don't give him to let him give the cookies away.

Right. Yeah, they changed something up on Tyreek. And then also it was like the red zone in the first half. Both of those plays were like extending kind of plays like in the red zone. And I thought actually on the second touchdown, you got blocked in the back. I don't know if you were holding your hands up. Like what the hell I'm trying to get up and somebody just. Well, I got tackled.

I was like, I was beat my guy and then the guard came and tackled me. And I was like screaming at the ref and he said, apparently there's no block in the back in the pocket. Well, I didn't know that. It's news to me too. Because I'm like, he got blocked to the fucking, they did something to Sam. You know, it was like they got to tackle and then a shove in the back as you're trying

to get up. But it's so hard to rush my homes. And down the stretch, you all had to deal with, you know, Baltimore. Of course, that's its own challenge. You had Tanna Hill. You had a number of athletic. at quarterbacks, but Mahomes is probably the most dangerous in a lot of ways. I mean, even though he's

not the fastest or the quickest, his athleticism is just, it's like an understated deal. But before you know it, you've been chasing him for 12 seconds. How tired were y'all before they tied the game at 24 up? I think if you timed up those three rushes at the end of the game there, it'd probably be 30 seconds. Yeah, no, that last few rushes, he was, he trained a reverse field like five different times. I was just like, I mean, all four of us are just going to keep chasing them, but it was like, I don't know. Yeah. Where is he going to go with the ball is just chaos out there. We just, yeah, we're all dead tired, though. I mean, that clip of Trey just emptying the tank trying to chase them down. And then Trey hanging, hanging on the dam when he got to the sideline, he was hanging on

the kickers net just to be able to stand up. I was like, he laid out, he laid out trying to swipe the ball and like got the wind knocked out of them. Yeah. All right. Well, that brings it. This is a key point. You've had this elbow brace now for what? Like two years maybe or a better part of? Since halfway through last year. Since halfway through last year.

How are we adjusting to having that elbow brace? Does this feel like you fucking the swag up or do you like it? No, I love it. I fully embrace it. I wouldn't be comfortable out there without it anymore. It's true. Once you go to like a brace, it's like you sealed your fate because it's going to feel better. I was going to ask you, though, elbow brace for the rest of your career or you have to wear long sleeves and no gloves like Trey, the rest of your career. Which swag? Which swag do you prefer? Elbow brace or no gloves? I'm an elbow brace guy. I could not, I don't know how he does the no gloves. I have my thumbs

tape. My fingers get mangled and he's just out there just, you know, thugging it every week. He's talking it. Leading from his knuckles, jammed fingers, but he loves it. I mean, yeah. What drives, what drives him? You guys probably get to know each other real well. I always think about the guy I rush opposite with. It's important to have a good relationship.

It's important to work together. It's important to coordinate your rushes sometimes. Like, how about y'all's relationship and what makes Trey tick? Because I can remember when he was a young guy, uh, came up to me after New Orleans game, and we swapped jerseys. And I never would have thought. that he would be, you know, a 15 sack a year guy. This is amazing.

Did you see this coming when he came in? And how's y'all's relationship kind of built? Yeah, no, we're super close. Trey's an awesome dude. I really believe, like you said, you got to be close with the guys you're rushing with to be successful. So we definitely have gotten close ever since he came. And he's just like the utmost competitor, like just a true competitor. I remember watching him last year when he's with the Saints getting all those

sacks and uh you know just blew my mind he's so fast with this get off and his hands and bending the edge um you know i think he's consistently going to be 15 sag guy every year he's just uh you know it's fun to rush on the other side of guys like that because uh you know pretty disruptive and i can kind of clean them up uh yeah but you know you there's some give and take you're being humble there's always you being the power guy i've been there okay i had like robert quinn on the other side like There's plenty of power rushes that he eats off you. I guarantee that. Yeah, no, that's that.

There's usually how it goes. He goes speed. He runs the hoop. I'm more of a power rusher. Yeah, we got some dogs inside too, for sure. Also, yeah, those interior guys stepped up big with Ogon Jobi out. And like, we talked about this, the Tennessee game. If y'all pull this thing out, they will look back at a few big stops that you guys had defensively.

I think the defense has been the key. Tennessee, you know, we talked about DJ Reeder, the game he had. You know, 92 made a huge play. Yeah, Hill. The stand at the goal line. Talk to me about the detackles and kind of the challenge that they've accepted with, you know, like going into the playoffs, we were whispering that, hey, they're not good enough inside. Yeah. No, they, I mean, that was a point of weakness for us, you know, last.

year because DJ got hurt and then we signed we traded for BJ we signed Larry drafted some guys but uh BJ DJ Larry Josh Tupow they're all just about as reliable selfless guys as they can as they come you know DJ really put the team on his back uh Tennessee game when they're saying they're going to run all over us he took like good yeah he played out of his mind I mean, BJ had a pick, sack last week. That pick was absurd on my homes. Where's he throwing that ball? I don't know, but to catch a laser from three feet away is just insane.

That's pretty damn good. Those guys have stepped up. Okay, before we let you go, we were doing some digging. And you were a laxer, a big time laxer growing up. I didn't know this about you. I didn't know. So Sam Hubbard, almost the, Notre Dame lacrosse player.

Am I getting my facts right? Yes, that is correct. So what happened there? Yeah, I've been playing lacrosse and football since I was young. But after my freshman year, I think of high school, I committed to play lacrosse in Notre Dame, and I was just playing football for fun. We won a state championship, my junior year in football,

and I started getting some calls. I was like, I'm not interested, not interested. Then Coach Meyer came into our school. to you know see all our top recruits and uh ever somehow from then on he got me convinced to switch to football and uh i haven't really looked back so i think things would be a lot different if i had gone to nondon to play the cross holy shit dude yeah so i played two i played two years in high school yeah i don't know that yeah so so i was a big baseball guy but then like me and my coach got into it my my manager or whatever the fuck they call him uh and i was like well fuck this i'm gonna go play

lacrosse this game looks looks easy now it's not easy with the ball in your hand like I never got the stick skills I mean I'm sure you you had all the great stick skills like me I just picked the ball up with my long pole and run with it out here like like an egg you know like no cradle yeah

dudes would give me shit all the little the little uh the heady attack man who had all the like fucking cradle skills they were like see long got work on your stick skills but I loved it it was like a lot of fun and so we we rigged a little list of lax terms because it's one of the slangiest sports in America.

Like, it's one of the most, like, kind of niche slangy sports. For sure. You know, like, cool dudes, cool dudes, right? Yeah, I just been out of the game for a little bit. I hope I'm still up to date. Me too. Fuck. So I'll ask the question.

Sam, you can answer because you're probably more hip to these. And then we'll see if Chris knows what we're talking about. Sam, are you a solid bouncer? Is that just a bounce shot? Yeah. I mean, I figure that. Okay, Val shot. Easy one.

Do you have a better swim or Rusty Gate? Oh, the Rusty Gate was legendary. What the fuck is a Rusty Gate? That's a move. That's a move. The swim is just with the stick over, right? Yeah. Shout out Kelly Maddie.

He's local legend. What's one? Describe a Rusty Gate before we go on. Sam will have to do that. Is that where you're like backwards, slap? Yeah, you go behind. around your, behind your back and hit the, hit the stick out of the, out of the guys. Yeah.

And like, if you can pull it off, usually people aren't expecting and the stick goes flying out of their hand. Oh, that's pretty. Yeah. How were your dangles? That's just, that's what he says he has nothing of. That's just cradling. Yeah.

That's just cradling. Um, you ever put some top cheddar on the highlight tape? Yeah, I actually had a guard, uh, goal in my backyard and I would just like, paint the corners hours trying, yeah, paint the corners, top shelf, and I'd be missing and just launching into my neighbors. You break any windows? I never broke a window, but I did. I mean, I've hit gardens from brick walls, rooms, yeah. Straight pets.

You ever have a sock trick? What the fuck is a sock trick? This sounds like not a lacrosse thing. Sock trick, six goals. That's what they call? it? Yeah. That's some heady shit right there. I don't think they call it in Ohio. You ever have six goals in a game? I never did.

Maybe in grade school, but yeah. Did you say you were midfield or defense? Sorry, sorry I kind of stereotyped you. You couldn't be in a attackman. Yeah, no, I was attacking growing up, and then I switched to midfield once I

was 6'6 all of a sudden. It came 6'6. Well, because that's the thing you started at Ohio State as a fucking safety? Yeah. safety and the tight end. I just kept gaining weight and they kept moving me closer to the line. That's usually a bad thing but then you end up with a $40 million

contract. It's not a bad thing at all. It's paid off. It's paid off eating your chicken tenders and such. All right. So how good did it feel former lacrosse player Cincinnati dude? I know I alluded to it earlier for you to finish

that game. You're face up with Patrick Mahomes. Like you find yourself in a Bengals uniform in the biggest moment in probably franchise history to date, and you're running right down the barrel on Patrick Mahomes. Are you thinking, what are you thinking? Because I'm thinking don't miss in my head, and that's probably why I would miss.

I was not, I couldn't tell you. I don't even, like, remember anything. I just was acting purely on, like, instinct. That opened up the guard turned to BJ, like parted, like, the Red Sea, and I just took off. And, uh, I mean, he watched,

I've watched the play like a million times. He hit some pretty good moves. I don't know how I didn't get you. You were amazing because you kind of like broke down but kept running like one of these athletic guys, man. You know, like one of these skill guys. Like you knew this is the toughest tackle in football and you made it with the game online.

Would you got yelled at because you were the low hold defender? Like you would get yelled out if you missed them or you had a carte blanche to add. I was, I mean, I definitely have gotten yelled out for coming out of coverage too early many times. At that point after five, whatever. It's like, all right, let's go win the game.

All right. So Sam Hubbard, any chance that we see on a lacrosse field like Chris Hogan at some point? I don't know how I'm going to be feeling when I'm done playing, but I can tell you. Hey, here, right here. You want to know? Like shit, okay? So. You get going out there trying to fight and claw to get drafted again. Yeah, no, I don't think I could do it, dude. I'm definitely not doing this sport. I got no stick skills in. So Sam Hubbard, man, congratulations on everything. Awesome year so far. I know there's more work

to do. Travel safe and don't get, don't be soft on giving those tickets out, okay? Be stingy. Learn how to say no, dude. Just say no. Got it. We'll do. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, thanks. Great to see you. And again, Roeback. Check them out. This

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A former teammate of mine is supposed to be coming on. And just, hey, the Super Bowl setting the stage for this thing. Sam, you heard about how overwhelming that is. I always tell the story. When you get the Super Bowl, you never feel alone.

Like even in your room, you lock the door, you latch it. There's a buzz outside that you just cannot describe. You can feel it. You can hear it. There's people crowded around

your hotel, there's helicopters in the air. It really feels like you're a fucking fugitive a little bit and you're like hold it up somewhere. So for these guys, it's pretty interesting. Getting to talk to a dude who just had that big meeting that we talked about where they lay out all the logistics for the week,

which takes three hours. You got tickets, you get the whole thing. Very nice to him to actually pop on the pot and give us 20, 30 minutes of his time. I'm telling you, it is a fucking whirlwind and you don't get a lot of your free time. so thank you, Sam Hubbard.

And we'll talk some more Super Bowl Thursday.