Green Light with Chris Long - Ryen Russillo! Washington Commanders, Hunter Renfrow & Nyheim Hines, Montana Lake Life & Boat Ownership

Episode Date: July 25, 2023

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trouble? No plain trouble. He made it out. And they jumped on the mic. Chris and Ryan talked boat ownership, a little bit about lake life going out of the bar. Also get into a little mail bag submitted by you, the fans. Thank you very much. They have a nice little time recapping their visit together. And then we have a special NBA segment with one Ryan Rosillo and Waylon Long. Whalen comes correct with a whole list of questions tries to stump Ryan for a couple minutes. We get into it. And then after that, Chris is going to end with a little football talk. He's going to talk about camp, what he misses, when he doesn't miss, and give his take on a couple of these NFL news stories going around right now. Greenlight will be back on Thursday. Make sure that you do not miss Facts in the King every Wednesday. Pop over to the Facts

and the King YouTube channel to see Bo Allen and Nate Collins have the past. Y'all enjoy it. I'm going to give a good old-fashioned hello from the Lakeside Studio. Landover Maryland. Hello. Josh Harris is going to rename the fucking the football team, the commanders, whatever you want to call them. Guys, I ask you what this team should be called third go-around here. I think it's the hogs.

I think it's the hogs. What's wrong with the hogs? Josh Harris, did he put? putting limitations on what they may or may not be called. Like last year they were like, we're not going to do anything having to do with X, Y, or Z. Is it just like wide open? It seems pretty wide open. I don't think that I think it's all kind of a rumor right now, right?

Like they're just like, yeah, they might change it. They might not. Yeah, but it's fucking almost August and training camp just beginning. This is a perfect storyline. So what are we going to call the commanders when they change their name again? Because they never should have been the commanders. I think the hogs is pretty solid. Like it's going back to pre-Snyder, right?

I like the Red Wolves. I've always liked that idea where, you know, you can turn all the lights off in the stadium and everyone has like the red eyes and stuff and it really creeps out the other team. You know, I think that's great red eyes. They're all going to get Kyle Vandenbosch concert. Yeah.

That's a great like gimmick night, you know? Red eye night. When I met Kyle Vanibosh, he was like one of my heroes because my dad used to give me like a DVD player when I'd go on the road. Of course, one time I put a DVD called Fire and Ice and left it in there. Dad found it when we were on the road.

He just walked into my bedroom. He was like, here you go. But usually Kyle Vannevosh was in there. And I just watched Kyle Vanibosh and the footage. And I got to meet him during joint practice. And he fucking terrified me. He does fucking red contacts. The guy doesn't smile at all.

He's just workman-like. No, Red Wolves is cool. I guess. You just called it tacky. You think it's cool? I'm just trying to transition to the next submission, Ryan. Okay, what is it? What do you?

We don't know. What do you like? I like the football team. Yes. Football teams have a certain charm to it. It's like the band. Like, it's just so pure. Yeah.

You know, I don't know. I think they had it on the money with that. I mean, hard to argue with that. It's funny because at first, anything that gets announced, everyone's going to hate. No one, it's impossible to do anything in today's world and be like, you know what? Good idea. Throwbacks are going well.

I just, I think it's funny that people retroactively like football team. I think the 76ers plays. And all they have to do is say, I'm just expanding our brand. That's what this purchase was. It was to expand the Philadelphia 76. If I was an owner, I'd have four teams named the same thing. Yeah, you can do it. I mean, look, back in the day,

they couldn't come up with anything other than like tigers and wildcats or just named after socks. Yep. So, you know, that's what the reds are. No green socks. That's what the red socks. Somebody should have done it.

The red Sox should have been a green team to just keep it. The red socks should start fucking losing right now because I want to remind you I have the season under wind total. I think it's like 81. If Washington does go to the 76ers, do you keep the colors?

Do you change the colors? I think you keep the colors. And you go hogs, in my opinion. But if you're going sixers, I don't know. You could just do, like, you could say there were throwbacks and you'd never go back to your order. Or maybe this is the situation where you finally get one of those stupid fucking edits to come to fruition where Sequin Barclay's wearing a Nick's logo on his helmet.

You know, like that kind of thing, these crossover? I've tagged you with a few of those. And then, well, here's the thing. Just Harden go, I'll play for them? No, man. Strip club scene in D.C. not very good. I don't know that for sure.

I've never been to one. He'd go to Crystal City restaurant, which famously serves sushi, and it's famously invited us up to do content, having gotten permission from my wife. How do you think she'll, you think she'll be okay with that? She's pretty cool,

and I think you could pitch it a certain way, but I don't know if you're going to get the clearance on that one. I remember we did one from a place called the Squire outside of Boston. It was like right off the highway. I mean, the exit basically, through you into their parking lot.

And I was like, what are we doing again? You did a strip club pod? We did a remote from there. Damn. Right, but nobody was like, I don't know what the deal was. I don't remember the stripper part. So I was just like, wait, what? This is, we're okay with us and they let us do it.

How were the acoustics? Bad. The food was, I think it was the squire. Yeah. I don't want to, I don't want to knock it. Okay, so we can only hope it's the hogs. We're here in Montana. Rye, man.

Like last week, we had this. like it wasn't a long planned trip it was sort of well i didn't come last year i went to iceland and so then i thought like wait i can't have that happen again because i you know how much i love coming out here i love senior kids uh i haven't been here since the compound's been expanded so this is like i'll never miss another gas and diesel right on-site gas diesel we're installing a rice bin a grain they're not going that far but grain storage cell sustain and last time where i came out to the compound we tell you this story all the time there was a forest fire he had to stay in the trailer yeah i felt bad as a host so

i really couldn't wait for my second chance to host ryan last week he was kind of going back and forth waffling he really wanted to come out mostly for the fly fishing but also as he mentioned to see my family and uh you know at the last minute his flights were all fucked up i told reed make a graphic you know like one of these sam darnald um you know pointing at the the camera with the big bold letters underneath. It says Ryan's visit canceled, plane trouble. But before we could even make the graphic, Ryan was back on it. He left, what, Saturday? I left Saturday. I know. To come in Saturday afternoon, hang out with your boy for two nights, went fly fishing day. I've had a pretty good trip, man. But my favorite part has been watching you watch me operate a boat. Yeah, that's right,

because we're both both captains. Now. What? No, I'm saying now. Now we are. Now we are. just got a new... It's just a different... I want to shout out Brett's Marine. Yeah, it's sweet. But I was totally thrown off by the aluminum siding on the bottom of it where you just roll into the rocks and dock that way. I can't quite do that.

It's kind of interesting. It's a way different experience. Like, we're driving the same thing, but they might as well be different vehicles entirely. Right. And to be fair to you, too, like, you're doing just a neutral forward reverse deal docking. So, like, I have a completely different system. Your setup's a lot easier. It's like...

It actually... It actually is a joystick that goes in any direction for the boat, but it's just a little, there's a little bit more anxiety pulling that into a slip. But I think it's totally different skills. And I've been impressed. You've been really good. You've got to look at the water. Thank you.

You've noticed that. You've got to pay attention. Because you can get a little like, when I'm in it for like a two hour jaunt, north or south, I can zone out a bit and be like, wait. But then it's like, yeah, but you're zoning because there's nothing in your vision. Yeah, but you know, I got a windshield. I got windshield wipers. That stuff can obscure my vision.

We're right on it. We kept the swim ladder down. We took off. We were right on something's wrong. We did keep the swim ladder down. Right. Well, the biggest obstacle to overcome as a boater on the lake here is having a dad five minutes away.

It was a beautiful 27 foot cobalt. He keeps throwing in our face. Dude, he comes over and he's like, what are you all up to tomorrow? And I'm like, well, me, Rye, the boys, Meg, we're going to go out to the islands, drink a couple beers, hang out. And, you know, like, I think he said three times. if you need to borrow my boat so you have more room, let me know. And that's right up there with the G-wagon flex.

I didn't tell you about this. You got a new G-wagon? Do you see it in the driveway? I did. Yeah, I worked out today. It's gorgeous G-wagon. The paint code, I need it like yesterday. But long story short, Meg comes home from the hospital, you know, after pushing out

number three. And my dad, I walk out hearing that heavy-ass German door slamming. and he's got her peering into the G-wagon, and I hear him saying, you know, check it out, look inside. You deserve a push present. So your dad is paying for her G-wagon? No, exactly.

The implication is that I'm going to pay for the G-wagon. So my dad, you know, like three times flexing on me with the boat. I ran, as you know, I ran the Skag into the, am I saying that correctly? The thing below the prop, the Skag, the Skag, you don't know. You guys don't, you don't know. We're inboard. You're in. Volvo Pentus.

Exactly. But I scratched that up and I made the mistake of telling my dad about it. And every time he comes over, he's like, yeah, check for some cavitation when you get that. No, capitulation. Capitulation. Yeah, he was all over because he turned to me. He was like, did you feel any capitulation on that? I was like, no, we're on a lake going whatever.

Yeah. Nice big outboard out there. Typical dad flexing on me. It's been fun though, too, with the brothers because the brothers long, he's just smoking me in everything possible. Oh, my kids? I played a memory game with them and like I got smoked. It was the morning after we went out. So I was like, all right, let me get these guys a little later in the day and reset.

And next thing I know, like, Luke is four and he's flipping over a card and he's remembering a move from like 12 flips again. You're really good with kids, man. Thank you. Yeah. They're smoking me. So they have no reason to be upset with me. They're just dominating me that Mario cart. Yeah.

So I wouldn't say my confidence is the highest it's ever been. You don't get a lot of reps, but you are very good with the kids. And honestly, you don't get tired of it. You sit on on the back porch and I can kind of set it and forget it for an hour. And Uncle Rise got it. Yeah, I took him in the lake and, you know, Chris will be like, hey, make sure Ryan's in charge. Like if he tells you don't do this, you know, don't do that. And they're like, cool, cool, no problem, no problem.

As soon as we hit the water, they're like, fuck this guy. Yeah, dude. Yeah, they know how to test the boundaries. And then when I'm not around, you know, when the black hat's not around. Right. Because I remember I took Luke swimming when he was two. and you were like he's he's really good but you know you and i was like my thing is i'll always stand behind a kid in the water in case you know it's not like a kern or anything but it's i remembered

it when you told me after the fact like he'll push the limits and then he'll like go and then he just kind of freaks that he can't swim he freaks that he can't touch and he's obviously a lot better now four and he had like a little like freak out two years ago and then you feel terrible as the adult being like i shouldn't even have let a two-year-old get this far out but he was so he's so aggressive with everything. He's an aggressive kid, man. And actually, Whalen just interviewed Ryan before bed. So we've got a couple questions for Uncle Rye.

You know, I told Way that when Ryan was coming, you know, he'd get a chance to ask him a bunch of questions about the NBA. Because Waylon is a huge NBA fan now. You know about that. And he said, like, on the podcast. And I was like, well, okay. Yeah, let's do it on the pod. And so he went to sleep over at Grandma and Papa.

and comes home with this real official piece of paper written out, 10 questions. So we got a couple of the best questions that Whalen had to offer for you later in the pod as a bonus. And Diane, like plants little seeds with Whalen. So I imagine the questions are going to try to make me look bad. What was the plant? Well, as soon as the first time I saw the kids, because they weren't here the first night I got here because there was a sleepover at the grandparent. So Chris's mom is in the RV. Well, I guess you would just call it like the mule, you know.

like more than an ATV. ATV. Yeah, but it's a little bit more. Yeah, utility. UTV. And she's driving it and the two boys are next to her. And then as I walk away to get back in Chris's truck, Whalen goes,

Hey, Ryan, why are you wearing my shorts? Because kids are just killing the five inch inch in scene. So the five inch in seem as aggressive and Rye is a violator on that thing. Like, I mean, like the shorts just gets shorter. They ride up. And, you know, he'll send me this Legends gear,

which Legends is awesome. I'm wearing Legends cut off sweatshorts right now. and get you some more of those. But yeah, but like, yeah, these are a little old. They got a lot of mileage on them. But he'll wear these five inch in seams. And we were on the island together having beers yesterday at six o'clock. And we had the whole island to ourselves.

It's me sitting on the ground drinking a beer, rice sitting on the cooler. We've got my boat. And all of a sudden, two pontoon boats full of dudes pull up. And I swear I thought I heard him say DL. And I don't think they were talking about, you know, like defensive line. I think they were thinking I had a DL. you know what I mean because you got those five inch inseams on you're pretty in shape you look a little metro for for Montana I think people were wondering if I had like a secret lover that that thought went

through my head do you think we could date no dude I think you'd get pretty tired of me uh but yeah shout out to legends man they make great shorts yeah I'm sure they're fucking pumped about this cross talk right now Well, you know, like not everybody spends three hours a week on the peck deck that's wearing five-inch inseins. It's just the combination. It's crazy. I put on the sevens and go, no, put them back. So anyways, the best part about the trip to Montana. The pictures from this era will be terrible.

What were you doing for three years there? But I'm still in it. You look like one of those first bodybuilders that were like kind of jacked. Like, you're really jacked. But like you look like one of those first. Like whenever I see a badass from the 20s, I'm like, on you know and the thing is is he'd murder me yeah but you see him and you're kind of like you know like i always think about time machine things like i've said this probably before even on this

podcast but i think of eddy house got in a time machine and went back to 1950s basketball there'd be statues of eddy house outside of every single gymnasium in the united states then j. j. reddick would hate on him wait a minute i don't think he ever hate does he know jay jreddick just hates on um what's his name uh dollf shays oh dolf shays yeah fire fires i get it i get it i get it i didn't know if you were going with like a selim stottomire thing here but i uh i every time i'll like look and i'll see some stuff and it's like what if like just chris were in a time machine and joined like 1920s boxing yeah like would you be awesome or would you actually get your ass would i grow up like cinderella man or like chris long you'd be more towards cinderella man i think

i would i mean obviously there was still a lot of skill in it but just the size of some of the guys Yeah, I mean, fuck, put me in the 70s playing the NFL. 70s NFL would be a good one. But again, Eddie House pulling up and dribbling in late 1950s basketball, people'd be like, that X-Men would have come out then. Yeah, no question. They'd be like, he's the first one. The House Center.

Welcome to the house. You know, it wouldn't be a guard. No, the sport might be called something different. Yeah, exactly. But the real reason Ryan came up. Because we did, just to stay on the time machine thing real quick, is that at one point, Van Pelt and I, and I think Kirchin got involved, I was like, what would be the best chance of like any of us getting in a time machine and being one of the best athletes of that sport?

And Kirchin was convinced there was no period in time in baseball that I could. I was like, are you serious, Tim? You don't think I could take a time machine to like 1880 and start running around and gun and guns down from the outfield? Like at some point, I'd make one of those teams in 1880. Give me a fucking break. You'd get into a tie cob. Right.

But I mean, after I get off my shift at the railroad. Yeah, I'd be. Yeah. No, I don't know. I might be with Kirk Jen on this one because that's a skill sport. It's a skill sport. I just don't think there were that many guys. Nobody was lifting weights.

No, and the bats were huge. There's no way guys are throwing hard. You think you could hit 200 in the 1930s? 200? Yeah. 1930. Maybe not. 150.

Well, 150. I wouldn't be around very long. Yeah, you're right. But what if, you know, they were like, it's cool, he's a podcaster. Actually, or some of the earliest radio guys were huge stars. Really? Back then, radio had just gotten started. Yeah.

Imagine. Yeah. All right. So anyways, he came up here mostly for the garden bar, which is a top bar in Big Fork, Montana. Shout out to our damn guy. Yeah, we talked to, I mean, like the water levels, they're low here. I talked about that on the podcast last week. We met some sort of a hydrologist.

we met a lot of fans of Ryan's Ryan wore his Chris Herring shirt jersey out with the Cuban link chain and the Pittsburgh pirate Well you used to get dressed up Well I used to get dressed up as in I'd wear like the NBA Combine you know penny We used to wear jerseys because I know it's so uncool to do it now

So then I'm back in Yeah but like that's a bit over the line of like a Montana jersey No a derfie a derfie Chris Herron high school jersey With the Pirates hat and a cold diamond chain yeah i i honestly i don't i think you're the first person ever wear a chain like that into the garden bar potentially so it's like cowboy bar any anyways when we go out there we have a great time we meet a lot of new people i want to give out my my best guy of the week award to all the dudes that we met at the garden bar i mean we met so many dudes met a lot of dudes met a lot of dudes

shout out to breakside brewery our guy scott oh yeah we love scott uh who came and hung out with us as well. But we got banged up. And you know, it is one of these things. Like we were sitting there in the water before we went out. And I was like, when's the last time you were drunk? And you were like, I don't know. When's the last time you were drunk? You've been drunk like twice this year. I hadn't been drunk at a month. I thought that was bad. We got out there. And about 120 in the morning, I got you on the shoulder. And I was like, buddy, we got to go home. And you were like, have another beer, dude. And we ended up out there in front of the burger stand until 2.30 in the morning. I fell asleep with with three sixes of spearmint in my upper lip. Uh, I got fucking pummeled by

the, the sprinklers. You know, like he, that's an underrated experience coming home drunk at three in the morning as a grown man and trying to just like, all right, I'm going to keep it together. I'm going to be quiet in the house. I'm not going to wake the baby. I'm going to make a peanut butter sandwich without clanking the utensils. Uh, and as I'm walking up the, the, the, the narrow strip of lawn, I just get fucking hosed. And I walk in the house and I'm so can. wet um you know like like that's what getting drunk as a middle age man is and uh we did it we did it this weekend we had it we had a really good night it was great because we were on the island before we take the boat out we have a couple beers and then yeah we were going through the resumes

and i was like man it's been it's been a little while and it was just great because you know when you're going out there and then people are just like why are you guys here why are you guys here and you're like why wouldn't we be exactly why why would we want to go anywhere else. Yeah. And it's basically automatic that will get one night in there. And, you know, I don't know. To me, that place is like a destination.

I tell people about it. Well, don't. That's the thing. Nobody's going to move here because of that. I might have in my 20s, but yeah. Yeah. Little mailbag here, right? We've got a couple good ones for you.

Number one, this comes from me, actually. The Aaron Murray thing in Georgia, you saw Aaron Murray at a bar. Yeah, yeah. It wouldn't have been the Northside Tavern. No. It would have recognized him in Northside Tavern. I don't you feel like that. Yeah, but Aaron Murray, I guess, got, you know, kind of big dog, the lead singer of that.

It looked like a wedding band or something like that, that kind of band. The guy pulled Aaron Murray up on stage. He's wearing an Aaron Murray jersey. The singer is, and he's like, what's your name, buddy? Like, why are you up on stage? Kind of gives him the buddy treatment. And to that, Aaron Murray said, you're wearing my jersey. So my question to you would be, who is the best college football player that could walk around and have an experience?

like Aaron Murray had. I figure there's a couple good answers here. Not every Heisman winner is a terribly recognizable guy, but who would it be right? Who would be the best football player that could walk around and get, I don't know, misrecognized or not recognized at all? Gordy Lockbombe. Who's that?

Holy Cross. Played both ways. It was a Heisman finalist. I was going to say Troy Smith. Or fucking, what's his name? Troy Smith's a good one. Troy Smith is a good one. And beyond that, it's far enough removed.

He was terrific at Ohio State, but, like, you know, he was still kind of in the, I don't know. I don't think anybody was watching at Ohio State being like this guy's going to be an NFL quarterback. Jason White could roll up. I'd have no idea who he was. Yeah, that's a good one. Jason White, Eric Crouch, even, wouldn't have any idea who he was.

Danard Robinson and Toby Gerhardt would be good, too. Yeah, I have no idea what Toby Gerhardt looks like. guy damn near separated my shoulder i have no idea what he looks like major apple white oh major apple white that's a good one um warful now when you get into the whorffles and the winkies by the way winky is huge i've said this on this podcast before he used to coach quarterbacks at uh in st louis the guy's fucking enormous just for that reason alone i wouldn't think he was chris winky i would have thought he was like jared lorenzen god rest his soul next one uh who is ryan's NFL com Okay, that one's for me, and we gave this some thought.

You know, I was going to say Wes Welker, but you were more than like a good return guy at your first stop in Miami or at ESPN. And there's no drop for you, like you don't have a drop yet, you know? I don't have, no, I don't know. I think it's Jerome Bettis, very good in St. Louis, very good at ESPN. ESPN's like, oh, it's a passing league, you know. And you go on to Pittsburgh to have a Hall of Fame career. Because I think the numbers bear it out.

You're one of the best in the game. And, you know, in the most, you know, crowded market of all time. You still set up, you set yourself apart. You're a high volume guy. You're a hard worker. I think Jerome Bettis, you hear the stories about he couldn't even get in the cold tub the next morning. I have a cold tub now.

Yeah, you do. And like I'd imagine after some of these nights, late night podcasting the next day, you don't feel great. So I think it's Jerome Bettis. Okay, that's pretty complimentary. I didn't know where you were going to go with that. I was trying to think of like the third Bosa brother who has hurt more than those two guys are. Yeah.

You know, like takes it way too seriously. No, I'm kidding. Because they're both, they're both, well, I don't know. I mean, if you go like, how good are they at what they do? I mean, most people wouldn't ever want to say, no, you're just good at what you do as they are because they're incredible. Yeah. So I'd never get that kind of credit for it. I definitely put in the work off the field like they do.

Joey's hurt a lot though, right? Yeah. That might be my comp. Yeah. I'm hurt all the time. Are you? All the time. But like when it comes to actually getting the content out?

No, I just mean like in general. Yeah, you are hurt. Like the other day on the beach, he's walking around like he's in high heels. It's because he has planter fasciitis. Yeah, and both feet. He can't walk on the rocks. I'd never experience that. I was like, wait, so don't walk on pebbles,

hard rocks with this this just awful injury that doesn't seem to want to go away that is the worst injury i've had that that is awful especially if you play basketball it's horrible yeah i had it when i was in my 20s and then it just like i went to get treatment for and the guy was like it just sort of goes away well now it's back and when i play basketball now the first like after the first couple minutes of warming up i feel like my feet are in vices yep and then i have to stop and then it slowly releases. I've got like a lump under there too. So when I was walking around on the stones, I was laughing being like,

this hurts so bad. I don't know if I can go back in this way. Then we get some water shoes. We fixed it. Boas are arguably defensive player to the year. I don't know that I'm going to be winning. That war kind of an award, the equivalent. Who knows? I'm trying to never put a salary cap on your life.

I try to ever, you know, impose a ceiling there. But I know that Joey's hurt a lot. But he's good. Yeah. He's really good. Yeah. What is Chris's NBA player comp. Now, I only ask this one because we've been asked before, and Kingston has an answer that he likes. Maybe he can give you his answer and you can rate it on a scale of untrue to true. I like the Drew Holiday comp. You know, he's got like family that are also in the league or great athletes, a couple brothers, a good solid player. The numbers

aren't going to wow you. Doesn't get the all-star recognition or all-pro recognition, but contributes to winning. No, no, right? Yeah, exactly. I mean, I'd rock with Drew Holiday. Yeah. He was maybe the second best player on the Olympic team, I think, or World Championship team.

But then he was playing a little well. What? You know, he gave this comp, and Drew was playing really well the last couple years, and he had his best season. And I was like, I'm not so sure. I was going to say Kelly Olinick. Yeah. That's good.

That's good. What about Grant Williams? Grant Williams? I don't know. Vocal. He's vocal, yeah. President, the Vice President of Players Association. I was never that.

You didn't want it. Did you hear about CB3's injury? What are you doing? Seriously. It's too late. No, seriously. Candice Parker's been playing through a broken foot. Oh, all right.

I don't need this. I don't need this. It's my buddy. No, I take back the comp. what my bettis cop what was the one you wanted to do no you give me a lennox i need to give you uh i don't know oh lennox's good yeah it's good i would never i would never ever in a hundred like i'll never forget walking out of the tunnel once for an cc game and there was like a tight end it was going fucking crazy and he's like we gonna tell them we know and he was like doing the whole thing and steve and i

looked at each other and i used to always have this like it was like it was It wasn't a, like a sin. It wasn't like envy. But there was like a really, I think, I thought, I felt as if it was like the best version of jealousy. I was watching these guys come out of a tunnel. Yeah. About to fucking go to battle that night.

You know, stadium. If I can represent in your school. And I'm like, I'm likely never going to feel that. And I would see those moments and I'd be like, I can't imagine what this must have felt like. And I didn't really even. and understand it until I started traveling and then being lucky enough to be on the sidelines to the games.

And there was this one game of this guy was just going fucking crazy. And Steve and I looked at each other. And Steve just gave me this look. And I was like, when you were at Stanford, you must have hated that guy. And he goes, and they never play. Yeah. He goes, those guys never play. They never play.

And then he turned to me, he's like, that would have been you. And I'm like, absolutely not. It was like the most insulting thing he could have said to me. And I go, not only would I never be like that. Because if I didn't play, I wouldn't be bad vibes for the locker room, but I wouldn't be fucking talking about anything if I didn't play. And when I watch like guys on a college team, like get up and cheer the bench mob groups that now in basketball you have to like get up and celebrate literally every single position.

Oh, shooting their like imaginary arrows. Right. They all do these different things. I always look at that and go, people would think I was a bad teammate because if I didn't play, I wouldn't do any of those things. No, not at all. Right. Not at all.

I wouldn't do those things. Like I wouldn't want to be advertising, hey, it's me again who never plays. One of the hardest things getting older in the NFL is like, you know, GM's being like, I need you to be a leader, this sort of thing. And I'm like, yeah, well, I'm getting like 10 snaps a game or that sort of thing. It's really hard for me to lead from the back. Yeah, well, I can be a leader during the week. But if you expect me to do all the bullshit miced up stuff that shows what a,

because, you know, I think all of us in the media and his fans do a really, a really bad job of understanding. And we don't have access to really know what's going on. Not everybody's going to tell. But like, just because the guy's miced up or like he comes back after an interception and there's some fucking guard who doesn't play. It's like, keep your head up. Yeah.

Keep your head up. Like all of a sudden, Joe Burroughs like, you know, I almost tapped out mentally until our third string guard told me to keep up. Yeah. And really the thing about like motivation and that sort of thing is collective. It's just energy. That's all it is. It's like keeping the energy up.

Being a good leader isn't a sound bite, you know. I think we always fall for the sound. Yeah, and we're about to because Hard Knocks is going to be, it's going to be on soon. Okay, I really like this question. Fight in combat in one war pre-desert storm, which war and what's your branch of service? Great question. The war has to mean something. It has to mean something.

That's not where I was going. If you're going to straight survival, I can understand what you're going with there. I just don't think there's anything replacing the Revolutionary War and I would be part of the mask guys that as soon as Virginia dudes showed up in silk shirts and fancy rifles they were like, look at these fancy lads. And they got in a huge fight in the Boston Common as they were all waiting out what they were going to do with their first battle, basically surrounding Boston because it was kind of an island and they had this thin neck that connected it. They've since built it all back in.

So it's not the same. Go back, look at maps. It's very different back then. The British essentially allowed themselves to be trapped inside. And then they left. I mean, there's a million things I could talk about British strategy that just was fucking terrible. But I think that war, what you were fighting for, was like it was all on the line.

Yeah. All right. And terrible odds, biggest underdog ever. Granted the French and their superiority and the water helped quite a bit. French don't get enough credit for that because they just didn't want Great Britain to have this dominant series. so the French are like, fine, we'll fucking help you because we hate them. And then that pretty much went haywire anyway.

Because when they had their own revolution, they were like, where's the health? And people were like, dude, just save your propaganda. We're trying to get our barns rebuilt here. I think that would have been the war. I mean, it would suck. I wouldn't have cool gear. Wouldn't have cool gear like some of the other ones. But, I mean, you want me to pick Normandy?

I mean, it'd be great to survive it. No, I'm talking about something like Ricky Gervat. Gervais, I always fuck his name up. Ricky Gervais. He had a bit on this. It was like he'd want to fight in the Falklands War because it was like a range war. And the British had like,

you know, these naval guns that went, what, like 17 kilometers or something where the Argentinians, they were the other belligerents. They went like nine kilometers or something. I don't know if we're doing metric or, but the bottom line was you just had to like back off and you would be fine.

Like that's the kind of war that's good for me. Ultimate reach. Yeah. Just like boxing. And like I was looking for all these. Yeah, it's like having reach. It's like being...

Just like your arm being twice as long. Yeah. It's like, was it Hernes or the other guy that had the reach? Hearns had incredible reach. Yeah, Hurons had great reach. Although there's a part of boxing where your reach can be too. Like basketball players, you watch a lot of them throw a punch. There's so much reach there.

Yeah. You know, like you see this coming mile away. Well, this is the perfect amount of reach. I got like six kilometers of, reach fathoms maybe yeah and and and I looked hard at like a bunch of these like I looked for Caribbean wars because I'd like to be like somewhere pretty you know while I'm just like hanging out dude there are a lot of skirmishes a lot of skirmishes yeah throughout those islands yeah I mean a lot of shipping lanes and in rights and guys just started saying no this is ours but can you imagine

fighting fighting in the falklands war though um like after it's over for who though for the british as it's not my backyard can you imagine yeah I'm telling you like having to fight the Revolutionary War we're like if we lose this you're thinking differently than me I'm not that I'm not that impassioned about not a patriot I guess not

I mean like you've kind of backed me into a corner here no I don't want to be in the Revolutionary War I don't want to die by a little round bullet that barely goes fast enough to break the skin they saw my leg off you know yeah the med tent you got me there yeah exactly you did pick

the fog like you would be on a ship why did you cut your leg off oh here why didn't you do Antietam? Why didn't you want to fight for the union in Antietam? Well, I mean, that one, that one, well, now you're going to make it sound like I didn't want to fight something else and I'm going to fight. Yeah, so, I mean, you're just going to make me look so. So I'm going to just stay out of that whole thing, go Falklands. Oh, you just make me look bad and then go back to the Falklands War is like worst plane ride, like worst boat ride. If you look where the Falklands are, they're way down there, bro.

So after you win that war, you got to fucking sail six months to get. at home like you don't even want to party there's no way it's with the parade you want to talk about how many guys came back home and their wives are like we had a kid yeah did we yeah yeah exactly okay and then uh the last question we have here tonight is uh what do you what have you been watching uh rye have you watched anything good lately uh that's new yeah or old i went back to deadwood Oh yeah, I remember you saying that. Yeah, I felt like I kind of lost momentum with it originally. And I thought, well, wait a minute.

You love westerns. You love those prime HBO shows back in the beginning of the prestige days. And I went back and I'm like, this is just fucking awesome. And seriously, Sweringen is one of the greatest characters in the history of television. He's great. I couldn't understand what the fuck you was saying half the time because of the Shakespeare thing. but you knew kind of what he was getting. Yeah, you get the point.

But there's definitely a few times his verbiage where I'm like, do I not understand anything? He just said there. I'll even throw a subtitle on and rewind his scene. Yeah, I watch everything with subtitles. You just get in front of it. You know, I saw the trip to infinity. Matt, I think you, have you seen that yet?

It's on Netflix. I watched it today. So I feel better about dying now. Right. Your life is infinitely small in the grand timeline. Well, also like, you show to tell me that? Yeah, well, we might be, yeah, but we might be back, dude. That's what this show was all about. See, this whole thing, though, like, reencaration.

You don't believe in like any of this stuff, like singularity. Here's what. Here's the deal. I'm open to anything, all right? I'm open to anything. I mean, just the other day thinking about something where it's like there's no border on all of this. If you really think about it, right? It just keeps going and going and going.

And so you're like, wow, you know, that could get pretty heavy. So look, reincarnation, separate, parallel, whatever you want to call it, cool. But like when I hear people talk about like, oh, I was a Viking that won a battle. And I, okay, what, what are you getting for lunch? Now, there was a kid. You know what I mean? Like, who gives a fuck? Yeah, but there was a kid.

And it's never anything boring. It's always something crazy. And then you're like, dude, it's not always something crazy. No, because you can't go meet the person that's like, oh, I have a reading here. And you were a small time insurance salesman that lost his job. And then you got thrown out on YouTube. There was this kid in, you know, England, and he had this whole other life like a continent away, and it was very regular.

And he was able to, you know, like he was too young. And this was before the age of the internet to actually triangulate or even be force-fed, a story that would make sense. But he knew every detail of this other kid's life that died early. Maybe, maybe open to it. Just don't know what it solves. I mean, it'd be cool if you could come back. Like, what if it was just like the playoffs where whatever you did in your life, you're like, hey, you didn't advance.

Yeah, right. No, yeah. You're going to go back. Yeah. You're in the playing game of life. And then you come back and it's like, you're four inches shorter. You're like, fuck. Weinstein's in the playing game.

He's like the bowls. Dude, he's not even, they took his pick away from him. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, but then if you do like, you know, good shit like you do for the world, you know, because you really are one of those guys that backs it up. you come back and it's like hey yeah you're a four or five might get a buy you know that sort of

thing that's pretty good right i've so so yeah i like trip to uh to infinity the math part was a little bit challenging i also saw both extractions i think we talked about this at the bar rye for the people that have seen extraction my one biggest critique uh is that he was a little easy on the child soldiers i think that got him in a little bit of trouble but it's it's it's the it's the classic playbook it's like I'm out. Somebody comes to visit me, talks me back into it, but there's a backstory, you know, like there's flashbacks. The whole thing. It's John Wick, but not as Metro. I haven't seen it. And you told me something interesting about John Wick. Yeah, they tested the movie with the puppy being killed and then the puppy not being killed. And when the audience just watched them murder

everybody for no reason, they were kind of like, killed a lot of dudes. And then when they tested it, the dog being killed, the audience is like he couldn't kill enough people. Yeah. People back to the original point. It's the point about, uh, it's the point about the fast guy, the really fast guy in Minnesota. Exactly. Um, and then I've also watched, uh, I've watched almost all of Jim and Andy.

The, uh, the gym. So I was kind of stoned and I turned it on thinking it was like a Jim Carrey documentary. I was like, man, they're giving this movie a lot of air time. Uh, you know, I've never seen man on the moon. You never saw it? Why wouldn't you want to see that? I don't know. Like, I didn't know who Andy Kaufman was.

You don't have any, like, no, I'm not fucking 40, no offense. I'm not 45. I know who Andy Kaufman is. Right, right. Yeah, but you're like 45 at heart. You also like the almond brothers. I do love the almond brothers, but music's different. And so, you know, I didn't know about this movie.

And my big takeaway, if you don't know Jim and Andy, it's, you know, he was playing this guy, Andy Kaufman and this guy named Tony. who was like Andy Kaufman's side show Bob on his show, right? And you think it was impressive seeing him do Andy Kaufman. I mean, him doing the Tony guy. I think there was a party at the Playboy Mansion. And I think the real Tony guy showed up. And Hugh Hefner was like hanging out with him thinking it was Jim Carrey. And then Jim Carrey rolled up.

Like I didn't know watching documentary looking at the B-roll of the Playboy Mansion, who was who. Well, that's exactly what Andy Kaufman did. Like, he used to be his writer that would do it. or they book Andy Kaufman and this other guy would show up who was supposed to Bob Zimuda yeah right but it was crazy because you know they had all this this um Jiamani plays him right in the movie yeah uh yeah yeah yeah yeah because they interview Jiamati and uh, DeVito was in the movie the whole thing I didn't know any of the shit but bottom line was you know they had all this Broll of Jim sinking

into Andy Kaufman's character like method acting for real like not just like I'm going to show up at the last minute as Andy Kaufman and do my job, it's like, I'm going to terrorize the set. Like, I'm going to be Andy Kaufman. Oh, yeah, it sucked. It really did suck. No one likes method actors. Well, and, you know, like, I guess who was

the wrestler he had gotten into it with, Matt? Jerry the King, Lawler. Jerry Lawler. Like, for instance, Jerry Lawler and Andy Kaufman were cool. Like, they played a bit where they hated each other on TV. But Jim couldn't differentiate, like, you know, he couldn't pick

where the line was and he was stepping over the line the entire time he got jerry lawler to kick his fucking ass in the trailer uh he just went too far i didn't come away from that movie liking jim carey more well said but it's it's incredible footage i enjoy that movie there's parts of it where i really like it yeah um and i think there's parts where jim carey talks about the creative process it makes me like jim carey more than i did before but the method part of it it's really tough and you know i I think Jim Kerry knew he was going to push the line, especially if they're doing a long documentary on top of like that when that movie came out, the movie was a big deal. Yeah, but like his family, Andy Kaufman's family was coming on set and he was like giving them hugs and talking to him like the son. Yeah, that was weird.

That was weird. And they had Danny DeVito on that because Danny DeVito and him both were on that show taxi. So Danny DeVito was like playing a younger version of himself. Yeah, I mean worth a watch. I got 20 minutes left. I can't imagine him pissing people off anymore than he has already. Yeah, Matt, anything, read anything. This is all she wrote.

I saw Oppenheimer. You guys should check it out. I definitely recommend seeing it in theaters. It was really enjoyable. Super, super dark, but. That's all I want to know. I don't want to know anything else. You haven't seen Sound of Freedom, though, I noticed.

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It's kind of my downtime in the NBA, so hopefully I'm crisp enough to get you the answers you need. All right, are you ready? First question. Explain free agency. Okay, this is a little bit more of my lane. basically when you're drafted, you have four years where you're under contract, unless they don't like you, and then they can get rid of you after two.

Then what happens is if you're good, you sign a rookie extension, right? And then once you get to free agency, true free agency, unrestricted free agency, you can sign with any team that you want if they have cap space. What happens now is every player just takes all the maximum raises, and sometimes the extra year or a player option, so they have more control. And then they ask for a trade, even though they have multiple years left.

That used to not happen. It's a new thing. And it honestly kind of sucks. And it also means cap space, building for cap space is sort of pointless because there's less free agents, big free agents than we've had in the past. Is that what you had?

Yes. Okay. What year in history had the best NBA teams? Wow, that is a great question. Look, I think the talent, we've never had this much talent. Like, I'll walk certain nights where I can't believe how good some of the players are that are like eighth or ninth on a team. So I don't think the talent has ever been better than it is right now. But if you want to go like all-time players, I think you'd have to go from the early 80s with Magic getting a Lakers started, Bird entering the league, that Sixers team in 83 that was incredible.

And then, you know, you had the Celtics thing in the mid-80s. So I think the best, like, all-time teams that we still think about all the time, that 80s run, I don't know that we have those iconic teams, like four or five iconic teams like we did during that stretch. Top five players of all time. I think we do top five players every month. Active, but all-time. I'd go MJ1, LeBron 2

I catch a little heat for this but I'd put Magic 3 I think you could have five Magic Johnsons and beat maybe five of any other player I just think he's that special. In 12 seasons he played for nine NBA titles. You know, obviously he had a really good team around but so did most of these guys

are the all-time greats. I do a bad job with Kareem historically but I think you've got to put him fourth and then I'd put Bill Russell fifth. What's your side team? My side team. It's definitely Golden State. Same, probably.

What's your favorite team? That's probably the Sixers. Yeah, that's good. You got some Philly ties. You're like a Philly guy. Who's better Embed or Yolkage? Ambide, probably, because they won. You just start a blog in Philly.

Best Celtic player of all time. Bill Russell. 11 championships? Tallest player ever in NBA. Manute Bowl, right? Manute Bowl. Manute Bowl? Yeah.

Why? What do your notes say? I think that is. Let's double check it right now. We'll close. Did he really? Yeah. Oh, it's actually Mirosan.

7-7. I thought, I thought, Manu. Yeah, well, there you go. Unless when Binyama grows. Dad and Ryan one-on-one. Uh-oh. Your dad was a pretty good high school player, and he's got a lot of size on me. And usually I feel like I would always take it more seriously than the other person.

So I'd have that going for me, but I think your dad's that way, too. so I'm not going to say he's going to beat me, right? So I'm going to pick me, but I'm worried. I'm worried. It's about a 25 pound difference the way you guys serve meals around here. I know a lot about the NBA, so you're probably going to win. I'd have the moves. I'd know how to counter stuff, the X's an O's, because he's just a...

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Like, you know, my first couple years out, I can distinctly remember being up here in Montana. And when I played, there was the dread of every morning, am I doing enough? Am I going to be able to do enough today? Is my body going to be able to allow me to do enough today? I have to get on a plane in two weeks. You know, everybody's enjoying that Fourth of July. Not me. There's a dark cloud over my head.

Training camps come in the fights, the early mornings, the late nights, the whole thing. And I didn't like July. If I power rank the months, July would not get any love on my list because of that very factor. August, that doesn't even exist. That's not even a real month. I don't feel much differently about August. It's kind of fucking hot. But it's better than being in training camp.

And my first couple of years out, I distinctly remember setting my alarm, you know, that first morning when teams reported with a note that like, hey, you don't have to work. And now I just kind of let it creep up on me. I'll turn on the TV and start to see the content rolling in. We get some one-on-ones with Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson. We get some Aaron Rogers throws. And it's like before you know it, that's how fast that happens in the NFL. I mean, there is no, especially with the new CBA. There's no warm up.

There's no landing strip. You show up. You got a couple days of meetings, tops, walkthroughs, and you're out there in underwear for a day. The next morning you go out. It's 110 degrees. The cicadas are going off. That's Michael Brockridge used to call them the heat bugs. So we'd be in stretch lines listening to cicadas.

20 minutes later, you are banging out there, and it's inside a run. So needless to say, I don't miss a lot of training camp. But there is some stuff that part of me When you're in it you say maybe when I'm older I'll appreciate it and there are a couple things I do miss The things I don't miss I put a little list together It's much longer than the things I miss list You know number one starting in the beginning

The introduction meetings You know when you show up the training camp in the NFL The first day and a half is meetings So it's like a hurry up and wait It's past your conditioning test which I didn't even make the list for me three 300 yards shuttles it's fine no big deal I remember watching one thing I do miss is watching guys dive over the line like fat guys that we're definitely not going to make their times as if if they dive over the line the coach is going to be like yeah this guy's got it these guys got a

little bit of Rudy in him or whatever it is I watch that every year I watch guys miss their times watch some run laps around the field while we're practicing that sort of thing I don't miss conditioning test, but you go right inside, and there's, the meetings were brutal. I mean, you know, it'd be like the security guy comes in and tells you not to, you know, like, I don't know, like, don't beat your wife. You know, we get an hour on don't beat your wife. And I'm like, you know, I'm pretty sure the guys in here who are capable of something that terrible are not going to change because of this meeting. And, and I respect women, there's, there's a, there's a number of meetings on just protocols and and like what time meetings start, team rules, that

sort of thing, getting introduced to everybody in the building. It is brutal. And the worst thing is it shortens your fucking hip flexors. I got to go out there next day and run around. I'm supine for 12 hours a day listening to the team security guy and the ticket guy and the fucking whoever else. So the introduction meeting is terrible. Here's a weird one. I kind of used to dress. having to perform in front of my family. You know, it's the weirdest thing in the world. Like, I have no problem with playing in the Super Bowl in front of all my friends and family, people watching at home, the whole thing.

But there's a primal aspect to camp that it's like, my kids shouldn't see this. You know, because at any moment, there's a fight. At any moment, I'm getting decleaded. At any moment, I'm getting blocked. Like, I don't know what I'm, you know, more afraid of. my kids wandering over to pass rush and watching me getting stoned by the unsigned guy or the undrafted guy or NFL network coming over and filming one of my reps. You know, like that's the reality every day.

And I used to remember when I'd watch because, you know, it's kind of like being a kid at school and watching the carpool line. Like as soon as I knew my wife and maybe my kids would be showing up, it'd be inside run and I'd be over there catching a breather looking. at the entrance to the facility wondering if they're going to show up and when I have to really turn it on. And by that I mean like survival mode.

So I don't miss playing in front of my family. But when we were in Philly, I loved having my kids come out every day. And at the end of practice, if everything went well, we'd go over and get some Ritas water ice because that was the jam in Philly. And my kids loved it. Water.

A water ice. And I get some water ice. Water ice. My kid would get the blue Raspberry at that point it was just mainly whaling and then and then Luke got to come in 2018 and try the water ice so I fucking hate service elevators in hotels okay so like training camp I actually missed the hotel setup there's nothing better we talk about this all the time when you're exhausted you plop down on a bed that's not yours Mario Lopez on TV extra extra you just lay on the bed for 45 minutes before we go to team meeting or whatever whatever it is, or the first team meal, where they serve you lobster and that sort of thing

before it all goes downhill and they don't go to fuck about you. But that first time you get in your hotel room, you get everything set up, and you realize no screaming kids, my wife, who I love, is not going to be asking me questions at 11 o'clock at night. I got a very simple cable set up with a TV guide right next to the bed. I got a Bible in the bed, if I so choose. I love the hotel setup. I do not love hotel service elevators.

When you're living in the... And by the way, I saw a really funny clip the other day of Stephen Adams talking about the bubble. Just exposed with LeBron talking about the bubble. It was hilarious. But, you know, like, I'm not completely... You live in a resort, mate. Yeah, I was living at the airport Marriott for a month. I mean, a lot of people would kill live at the airport Marriott in St. Louis.

But I hated every morning getting in the fucking service elevator that always smelled like garbage. Hot garbage. in the dead of August in St. Louis, you'd go out through the basement garage and the smell of the trash would hit you, and then you drive 20 minutes to Earth City. I'd get in the car last, like the dread of when I get down, because I was always a late alarm guy. You know, like if I had a meeting at 8 a.m., I'm setting my alarm at 7.20. I'm getting all the sleep I can't. I get my work done at night. and the dread, if you're a little bit late, of going down into that stinky fucking garage and realizing when you hit your fucking unlock button that it echoes like crazy

because there's no other cars in the garage. I hated that feeling. I hated the service elevators. I hated that part of living in the hotel. Forehead bruises. Dude, we used to get bad forehead bruises in camp. And, you know, everybody, now they get these big blown-up helmets. You know, guys got these giant helmets.

You know, now they're wearing padded helmets and practice. And I feel like an old guy saying this, but I used to have the like the asbestos-looking fucking helmet where you cut it open. It was like yellow foam in there. And at night I'd get home in the hotel and brush my teeth and be under that hot light at the fucking airport Marriott. And I'd be like, damn, my forehead is bruised.

That's not a fun thing to have at night. And then go back to work in the morning. And, you know, like, don't say a word about it. There's nothing wrong. It's just a forehead bruise. It's superficial. Room checks. Hated room checks.

One of the worst things about the hotel was having a grown man come and check my room every night at 11 p.m. Okay, when wake up is at 6 a.m. If you check my room at 11 p.m. And knock on it forcefully, do the fucking math. I am a 275-pound athlete who's been on his feet eight hours today. I need eight hours sleep. I don't need you knocking on my fucking door at 11 because I decided to go to bed. at 10.30. And I used to always latch the door and it would frustrate the fuck out of these guys

and they would just slam the latch as hard as they could just to wake me up. It would be a strength coach or somebody like that. And I'd be vaping my ass off in there. I can remember I can remember the one time when I first got a hold of vapes like at the end of my career and I wasn't smoking like a fucking loser out of an apple or something or, you know, you have to smoke a joint if you want. So they had these packs vapes. which you guys probably know the PACs brought up. You put the marijuana in the top of the vape, and you hit the button, and it's like a little oven in there.

And I'm thinking it's vapor. And, you know, I'm smoking, so I can't really smell the smoke. But sooner or later, that little hotel room smelled like Woodstock. And, you know, I had one strength coach who actually called me out the next day at lunch in front of five people. I think he said it smelled like a fish concert in there. And he was a guy I didn't like. So shit like that.

Like this is my space. This is my routine. Indicin, Celebrex, the worst, anti-inflammatories. Any football player who's listening to this podcast knows exactly what I'm talking about. Jeff Schwartz, I know your big ass was on the toilet all day. Because that stuff runs right through you. Indicin is brutal on your stomach.

We used to live off Indicine and Celebrex. The last meeting of the night. Everybody knows what I'm talking about. if you play in the NFL, if you've been in a training camp of some sort, the end of the night when everybody knows what time about every position coach is going to let you out. Defensive line coaches don't have to do much at that point in the night. We've watched the same cut-ups all day. How many times can we line up in a nine, line up in a five, slaying inside on a pirate?

It's time to go to bed. We've done the whole thing. but every fucking coach is petrified of the prospect of the head coach walking by an empty meeting room at 1057 or 957. Whatever time the coach allows you to leave. I heard Bruce Ariens is actually pretty cool about that stuff. But, you know, in New England, I can remember Matt Patricia, who is with the Eagles now, I mean, when you talk about a guy that, you know, when I saw him in Philly, top five moments of like, great to see it. Now, I don't know how Darius Slay would feel about this. But, you know, Matt Patricia, I didn't always agree with where I was lined up, that sort of thing.

You know, I wouldn't agree with him on every football thing, but I fucking really enjoyed the guy. And to see him down in Philly, it was pretty awesome. But, you know, Matt Patricia would keep us until the very last minute. And, you know, it was bittersweet because he would throw on, this is the Super Bowl year in New England, the 85 Bears documentary that defense you know like all those guys Mongo like the whole crew

Richard Dent fucking just Dan Hampton personalities Singletary Jeff Fisher was on that team and you know like I kind of had a little background about who they were but just to watch that documentary

and you know your defensive coordinator saying I want to be one of these defenses every night at 10 p.m. You love watching but it's fucking midnight Matt And, you know, like even worse, if it's a defensive line coach, we're watching the same damn cut-up the whole day. Yeah, let us go home. Hearing other players, alarm clocks go off.

I don't know if you've ever been, like, in a big group setting where, you know, maybe the walls are a little thin, and everybody has different wake-up times. I used to fucking hate that. I'd hear, like, some DBs, you know, yo-goddy blasting in the bathroom at 6.45 in the morning. 25 minutes before my alarm goes off, and now I'm up. Or I hear the fucking alarm go off. I hated that shit. Random drug tests along the same lines.

Random drug tests were terrible. You know, they treat you like children. You go to bed not knowing what time someone was going to knock on your door. You knew it was like a week or two window. You know, for defensive linemen, they'd always make us go last, which I always talk about,

because I think they know there's a lot of stoners up front. And, you know, they would sit, You know, they would set up in the first floor of whatever hotel you were in with like two rooms. And starting at five in the morning, they'd start knocking on guys' doors and having them come downstairs and pissing it. And the worst thing was, they knock on your door. You'd say, yeah, fuck, I'll be down in 10 minutes. And you get down there and there'd be an enormous line of guys. And then the deeper in the line you are, the more you have to consider, do I stay awake?

it's 5 a.m. The first meeting's at 8 a.m. 7. 7.45 in the morning. Do I go back to bed? If you're one of the first guys, you can big boy the rookies, cut to the front of line, go back upstairs, hit the bait pen like, you know, like there's no tomorrow. You should get about another hour and a half. But, you know, like if you're at the back of the line, you're kind of fucked. So you'd say, hey, 10 minutes, and they'd say, I'd see you down there.

And you'd stagger into the bathroom and just out of habit, take a big steam and training camp piss. And halfway through you'd realize that that was supposed to go on a cup. So you end up down there for another hour. I hated fucking drug test. It was, again, one of the most bittersweet things because it meant that like that day, when you got home from camp, you were straight. But that morning, it was one of the worst things. The things I miss about camp, dinner after practice.

Okay? Dinner after practice with the fellas when you're tired and you can put whatever you want down the hatch. you burn about a million calories you've heard what JJ Watt eats I don't know what his fucking diet was but it was crazy you heard what Tristan Worf's eats

we talked to him on the podcast like it is a full-time job and it's a job you're happy to do in training camp and the buzz after a practice when you know your work's done it's like being at the kids table you just like sometimes they'll sit at that table and listen

the conversations and I'll be like what are we talking about like how old are we None of what we just said the last two minutes makes any sense. Guys are just stream of consciousness because they're so fucking happy to be done with practice. You know, I talked about the hotel setup. A couple things football-wise that I loved. I did love inside run. It meant that individual was over.

We spent way too long an individual. I wish we could go out there, stretch, warm up, and just go hit, man, get it over with. You know, NFL practices, especially in training camp, coaches will justify, you know, being out there. as long as they have to be. And they'll stick you an individual, and you'll hit the bag, and you do handwork for an hour. And then everybody very quietly shuffles over to inside run.

That first inside run of a training camp, it's hard to describe. And I know Nolan's been down on the field during training camp and seen that sort of thing, but the tension is so fucking high. It is really the sport's about, man. It's survival of the fittest. And when that first inside run gets assembled,

you could hear a pin drop and then the first rep happens and it is fucking crazy dude it is just the hungriest people playing for their lives in the dead heat of August and you can feel it I love inside run and with inside run

you also know what the fuck the play is yeah that's what I was curious about as a defensive guy is it more enjoyable like despite the violence despite the like this is going to be car accident after car accident after cracks. You kind of love it, dude, because part of getting into training camp is like, do I have it again this year? Like, you know, like, it takes such a mental edge to play the game

at a high level and to go into training camp, eyes wide open with a great plan and to enact it every day. One of the biggest hurdles to get over is not just the routine you build, but like, am I physically and mentally ready to do this? Because it is so unnatural and it's not like basketball where you have open gym all fucking off season. You can play pickup, baseball, you can get in the cage, you know, you can get some live batting practice, that sort of thing. You know, like I'd imagine hockey, you know, I don't know how long their offseason is. I don't want to speak out of turn, but football, there's no way to replicate that. And so, like, you know, I loved inside run. I loved, like, seeing if I still had it, you know, and usually you do. And you realize you love

it. You don't love all the other stuff around it that I've mentioned. NFL news. All right, a couple of things to run through here. C.J. Gardner Johnson, if you're an Eagles fan, you're probably pissed at him because he said some things about Eagles fans that you don't really like. Here's what I'm not into, and I'm not trying to, like, coach people on their reaction to the news about CJGJ here.

But, you know, I don't think, I don't believe in injury karma this way. I don't think if there were karma that this is the kind of thing. Like, listen, if you fucking. you know, if you're R. Kelly, you're going to, you're going to do an ACL at some point if I, if I believe in karma. But this is, this guy was just talking about about Eagles fans, right? He did say like the weather, which was my favorite part of the whole live stream video, was he took like a six minute dump on Eagles fans. And he was like, yeah, but the weather's straight. And I was like, you know what, I never thought about the weather on any level in

Philadelphia. It's actually the most unremarkable weather in the country. You know, like when I played in New England at training camp, which by the way, I'll add another one. I hated to walk to the field. It was like a mile long. But it was 83 degrees. I was like, you know, like fuck, what is this? It's barely training camp. It's like when we just go to Mechwan in St. Louis up in Wisconsin. You know, like in St. Louis, you're like, okay, they wrote the Aaron Brockovich movie basically about this thing. We had burning radioactive waste across the river from us at the practice. It smelled like hot garbage. You were breathing it in. Philly, I never thought about it.

So I don't know what he's talking about. But CJ is a big part of what Detroit wants to do in that defense of backfield. And fuck, he had a great year last year. I'm a huge fan of the player. And, you know, he did some great things in New Orleans. The thing I loved about him, and I texted Malcolm Jenkins, is I was like, what is it about this guy where he gets people to rip his chain off? Like, if you can get three, four guys to tear your chain off in a single season,

or to punch you or to get ejected. You're the kind of guy I won on my defensive roster. He's an instigator. I like that. He's got great energy. He kind of led the league in picks last year among safety. He was up there. Yeah, he was up there.

He was up there. A big part of what Detroit wants to do. And, you know, they go and draft this Brian Branch kid. And he's a safety. They don't want him playing nickel this year. I don't think. That's the biggest domino effect. on the field. For CJ, I mean, three years, 24 mil, was what the Eagles forked over.

It wasn't good enough. Took a one-year deal with Detroit. Grass is not always greener. I'm not saying like, hey, this is what happens when you don't take a better deal, but it is the danger of turning down the burden hand. And, you know, more importantly, three-year deal, one-year deal, now he's going to hit the market again. And I don't know what the injury was to his knee yet. It might be minor, but if it is one that's lengthy, it's going to affect the way Detroit does things. Nahim Hines. Okay, he had a jet ski accident. Fucking jet skis are scary, man.

There's a lot of ways guys get hurt in the offseason. This is one of the, this is one of the ones if I was a football coach, jet skis, like motorcycles, the whole thing, just stay off them. Like, you know, I used to be on jet skis all the time, but guys are going down to, like, Miami. Everybody's, everybody's on that crunk juice. You know, it's high traffic. I'm out here on a fucking 26-mile-long glacial lake.

It's not high traffic. Do you think Jesse's going to be written into contracts now that guys can't do in the off-season? Like, I know skiing was on Drew Bledso's contract and stuff like that. Well, yeah, like, you know, what Neheme Hines needed was a Drew Bledso fall guy. I remember when Drew Bledso fall guy. I remember when he had a guy that was on call that if he broke his leg on the slopes, like his boy was going to come out and be, you know, like, I don't know. Take him to the basketball court.

Take him to the basketball. Well, not the basketball court. You take him to the gym. Yeah. Put him under a bar or something like that. That's what fucking Meheim Heinz needed. You know, like, you know, he needed a guy to airlift him to the speed school where he works out. But, you know, like, fucking it's a big deal for Buffalo.

I'm worried about Buffalo a little bit. I mean, Stanford Steve was on here talking about them taking a step back. You know, running back is a position that they have not. nailed and you know you talk about getting a back involved in the passing game screen game that sort of thing all the things that opens up for Josh and not to mention Heinz is a burner I mean he's a great returner he's a real asset there and now you got you know James Cook who is going to be under a lot of pressure to perform and so not good news for Buffalo you know a hundred run pro making 16 mill

He is a cut candidate. And I guess I'm not surprised, 10 games he played in last year. If he's a trade candidate, if this is one of these things where they're leaking the news so that somebody will bite. I do like the Eagles. I just, I love Hunter Renfro. I love the birds. You know that. And he'd be a good fit there.

So, like, listen, they could restructure his deal, the whole thing. But this is the, we talked about these running backs earlier this. week fucking all the guys you mentioned probably not make a 100 rent for makes and you know like if he's not in Vegas that's a that's a hit but it's not a game-changing loss and the production's good but you know some of these guys you look at like a second or third option on the team a good slot guy is making more money in these backs and so again another like twisting of the knife if you look at it in terms of that for the backs not again not saying that they have this there's a good solution on the table, but fucking, you know, it is, it's a little fucked up.

Marcus Peters, Raiders, one-year deal. Love this for them because they didn't create turnovers, man. Like that group in the secondary were not a ball hawking unit. And that showed, like, you know, we saw the stat about DeAndre Hopkins and his touchdown catch total with Mike Bray will be in the next prolific touchdown catcher in the building. It's the same thing with the picks and the Raiders. I think he has 32 career picks. You got six picks out of this whole group, unproven,

not a group that gets you excited as a defensive lineman. And you saw Max Crosby tweeting about this. He's excited. Like if I'm a rusher, the first thing I want my team to do is go get one of these guys. You know, he's going to take some chances. He's going to get beat sometimes. You know, but what he is is a ball. Hawk and a guy who can compete in coverage.

And he's a good fit for them scheme-wise. So I like the signing, not saying the Raiders are terribly relevant, no offense. To any Raiders fans, I'm not saying you guys are like AFC West champs this year, but you are in need of an addition like this. So I like it. I like it for Max. I like it for the young guys. Good pickup.

30-year-old corner, though, on the other hand. Yep. 30 years old. had the ACL in 21 so I think that's part of like the one-year deal is you know teams look at 30-year-old corners the same way they look at you know running backs in the

in the contract year of the rookie deal of like really wary of a long-term commitment so. No question. All right and so I'll be back Thursday with Macon reunion pod will be over Riverside Zoom but we'll be together.

So see you guys later in the week. Have a great week.