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sign up today to receive a special offer, risk-free, $500 sports bet. download the win bet app now or visit w y nbett.com download the app bet big win bigger and let's get after it terms and conditions apply must be 21 or older and present in state where win bet is available gambling problem call 1-800 270 7117 yes i remember that hold on hold on that was you yeah dude it was me frank took me and buddy we went to the shagg show man you worked the crowd in the middle of nowhere in montana bro i remember that i because it was a friend of mine who said you know me you need to come to montana i was like rap music in monta but what's that

lake that field jackson legs on it was freezing flat that lake i jumped in the damn day i almost died in that lake bro i was the coldest water i ever felt in my life it's the big cactus pod we got shacked dude the big aristotle the big aristotle we got yeah pull you want to pull that microphone towards you. I know you're rusty. You had you had such a banner day at the Waffle House. People are clamoring for more facts. So now you're just getting complacent. You're talking into a microphone six feet away from you. That's not my thing, bro. I've never been complacent. Backwoods. The first, second we're on air. You got to come out to practice, ready to go, always. You do. You have to have your ship buckled. And we've got our ship buckle today.

We got Shaq and a few. I'm going to talk about his new partnership with the win. Co-workers. And we got Sean Merriman later in the show because Lord knows everybody's talking about this big fight that happened last night. Nothing like a big fight. Can you imagine if there was a big fight how great the atmosphere would be? There are literally professional boxers

that are out there who've trained their entire lives. Well, bro, tell them to get their marketing game up. Like, why are people mad that this kid knows how to market himself? And to the point, like for boxing, when people want to fuck you up, like really, really badly, that's a whole other market. And he has that target, that villain target, and no one can knock him off yet.

So it's just, hello Jake Paulers. Listen, hey, I respect what the kid's done. I mean, how could you not? How could you not? Like, he's annoying, but like, I like that kind of stuff because he's backing it up. Like, it's one thing to be annoying. Well, let's not get out over our skis here. Okay.

Hey. He's backing it up against the handpick competition, including my, guy Tyrone Woodley who I don't know what was going on last night listen I watched that thing until the bitter end and I was like what the fuck did I just stay up till midnight about you know like a YouTuber fighting uh on TV messed up my uh circadian rhythm dude he's given hope he's given hope to who to YouTubers to kids to people looks like him that needs hope bro what are we what how are we spinning this I'm saying that like Jake Paul bro like there's so many people that Like, it's a new avenue.

It's showing people like, yo, you could have been sitting behind a computer your whole life. Yo, if you get up and train and do something, like, you can, you can get, you can switch gears and do something different. This kid has made his own lane. I don't want to rain on the parade here. I know you, you love Jake Paul. And my whole thing is just that, like, the whole, the annoying part, first off, $60. Okay. I'm not being, like, arrogant.

I have it. it didn't bother me a lot that I paid to be inconvenience that way. But his marketing made you pay it. Think about how, no, no, no, bro. It indirectly did. Can I finish? Yeah, go ahead. All right.

It indirectly made me pay for it. What made me pay for it was that people clamor for this bullshit and I have to fill space on a podcast. That is literally the only thing I watched it for. And I was like hopeful that Tyron would knock him out because I trained with Tyrone. And that motherfucker's heavy handed now. But it's obvious he's not a boxer, okay?

And that's at the crux. That's at the crux of this whole conversation, which is when you handpick people who are not boxers, you never lose. I actually was more into the undercards. Yeah. I was more into like, Serrano can really fight, dude.

That was the jewel. That was the gem in the entire $60, you know, light a Ulysses S. Grant. Who's on a $10 bill now? Have they put a clan member on there yet? You know who Serrano, who she trains with? Jake Paul. Down in Puerto Rico.

I think Jake Paul trains with her. Doesn't matter. They have a nice little. Nice little camp going on. You misogynist pig. She's one of the best boxes in the world. Jake Paul is not one of the best boxes in the world. I'll tell you one thing, though.

Listen, that girl, that she fought, tough cookie. Tough cookie. But you know who, I didn't even want to name search this guy. But Serrano's corner guy had to be probably the most unpopular guy on Twitter of all time. Like that guy just sucked, bro. He sucked. I wouldn't even be mad if he just got dragged. What did he say? We just wanted her to fight like Mexicans fight. I'm like, bro, like, you won the fight. Sit down. Shut up. He's talking over and shit. Like she's trying to do her interview. I'm like, she's the main event. Not what about you got to you got to give props to buddy.

Well, I'm not done with Serrano. Hey. Oh, okay. Go ahead. She doesn't have a cell phone or a boyfriend. She's not going to have one until she retired. Well, first off, not to. Not to. not to just throw this out there, but how do we know if she doesn't have a girlfriend? Like, like, they threw that out there quickly. You think that could be,

that could be. You think they did that on a technicality? Maybe. And you really believe she doesn't have a cell phone? Who's closing these deals? Yes, she's on her Andrew Luck tip. Andrew Luck is taking notes from Serrano, bro.

I love this woman. And she'll never know it because she doesn't have social media. She doesn't have a cell phone. What? We're big fans of hers. That's why I watched. That's what kept me in it last night. Not Jake Paul and Tyron Woodley, who I really love.

But here's the deal, dude. I talked to somebody who knows fighting. I talked to somebody who's an MMA guy. And he was like, I just... Greg Hardy? No, I'm not friends with Greg Hardy. I'm not friends with Greg Hardy. But I don't want to be friends with Greg Hardy.

My boy was like, listen, I don't get it. Like, Tyron wouldn't follow the jab. Like Jake kept jab. jabbing to the body. And I even notice this, and I'm pretty novice when it comes to, like, watching fights technically,

but I'm like, he's jabbing to the body, and he's putting his, he's putting his hand back in his pocket. Like, I know Tyron had a length issue, but my thing is, Taran Woodley beat people up.

He beat Robbie Lawler with, like, a right, a right over, an overhand right. He's knocked people out with a left hook. Like,

I know, but when a guy, it doesn't matter whether it's boxing or not. It does, though. It clearly does. If you know,

it clearly does. If you know, it clearly does. But it clearly does, bro, because it's not transferring. The things that like boxers, the mind. I'm suggesting that there is, the mindset. I'm suggesting that there is somewhat what of a fix. That's all I'm saying.

I don't know if there's a fix. I just think mentally when you're an MMA fighter, when you stun a guy, your next thing is I'm about to kick the shit out of him. I'm about to knee him in his head. I'm about to throw an elbow. And boxing, you can't do that. I haven't. Okay.

That's all I needed to know. I haven't. That's all I needed to know. But still. Since now you're Matt Kellerman. I think it, no, I think it's evident that when he was stunning him, maybe there was a fix. But if there wasn't a fix, I just think that when he was stunning him, he didn't know the next things or the next combos to throw to be like,

yo, I can knock him out right. You're probably right. You're probably right. It wasn't a thing where I think Tyrone waited too long. After the fourth round, this dude was gassed. I mean, Jake Paul was like openly gassed. I think he would probably tell you that. And again, all due respect to him, we'll ask Sean Merriman about some of the finer technical points

because he started out his own like MMA company and he's trying to like get dudes from the NFL to fight and that sort of thing. But I just, my thing is it's entirely possible that Tyrone Woodley went the distance with him, got his check, but then put him on the spot afterwards and said he wanted to run it back. I don't know that that was part of the deal. So Tyron now gets a bag. And Jake Paul was like, oh, I didn't expect this. So if you get a tattoo, which you'll never agree to. And Tyron was like, yeah, I'll get the tattoo, which people are not happy about.

But it was that you, if you didn't follow the beginning, he already told him he shook on it that if he lost, that he would get the tattoo. Oh, he shook on the beginning. In the beginning, like, beginning. Okay. And so that's why Jake said, like, if you really get the tattoo, I'll give you the rematch. I'm just here so I don't get fine. I'm just talking about it because you guys care. But listen, bro, if he gets that tattoo, that's an ultimate L.

That's just the ultimate life L if he actually. Here's a deal if he gets that tattoo, you're guaranteed to knock him out. Because you're not getting a tattoo and not going to knock about it. You can't try that. Okay, well, hey, if the second fight, we'll wage or something. Put your money, put your money where your mouth is, bro. Oh, we can't. Yeah, you know, we'll do it through win-bed.

I know you can't put your money where your mouth is because Jake Paul's in it. Bro. Chill out, you know. Everyone's so mad. Boy, you walked right into that. You walked right into that. You're a bully. As opposed to Jake Paul, who was walking away from Tyron Woodley last time.

He has a foundation. I'm sure he's awesome, bro. Can not be a bully? Who, Jake Paul? Yeah, you should look into it. Good for him. No, what, you walked into a joke, so now I'm bullying you. Yep.

Would either you guys fight Jake Paul if offered? No, here's the deal. I'm rich, and I don't need to go on TV to make money to fight. Well, I'm not rich, so there's some negotiations that we can entertain on my side. So I'm not speaking for Chris, but over here, I mean, you know, we box before. Yeah, we boxed before. We could run it back. We could,

I'd be happy to run it back. I'd be happy to run it back. I was like, you remember I was like the guy in dumb and dumber when you, you hit me with the little jab to the lip. I wipe that shit right off and pop right back up with the doggy bag. That was a good, that was a good moment.

That was a great moment. Those were good times. Yeah, it was a good time. So we'll talk more about that fight in a little bit. Scrolling name belt, huh? Yo. Okay.

I was just saving, save it. Listen, I got nothing against the guy. He's a marketing genius. No, he is. He absolutely is. Tell me this. Tell me this, though. Tell me the fucking robot isn't lit.

His little mascot shit. All I'm saying, being popular doesn't make you a genius. It just makes you opportunistic. Bro, no, not if you're selling paper views. Yo, just like you said, there's legit. You're awful agitated right now. Because you got to think about it in this aspect. There's legit great boxers that can't sell a fight.

They can't sell a fight. and that's part of the sport. Right, but the main part of the sport that they measure you on is how good you are. Bro, still NFL, teams, they can't sell out, Jaguars, they can't sell out seats, they put all these big ass things. And theoretic, yo, the NFL wants them to sell those seats,

but they're just, they're not selling. Right, but they're still, but they're still bad teams that sell seats. But yet at the end of the season, when somebody who's not in a big market wins a Super Bowl, they don't make them give it back because they weren't able to sell. tickets. That's not the name of the game in football,

so not a great analogy. Let's go to housekeeping. We'll get back to talking about your first love, which is Jake Paul in a little bit. You're in love with a guy with a fucking Cleveland Pro Sports Team collage of like fucking logos. I'm a fan of YouTube and

like YouTubers, so I think it's dope that he's stepping into a new market and Lane and he's doing well. Nothing against him. The guy said last night, Loat them or love them. I'm like, can I be in between? Can I be in between?

Can I just not give a fuck? Hey, housekeeping. First thing, you walked in my office earlier and you said, you got some melatonin, huh? And I looked at you. I'm like, yeah, I have trouble sleeping. And I thought it was melanin. I thought Chris was taking melanin pills. Let me find out, bro.

Did you see, did you see the picture? It'd be kind of like you turn, you see John Cena's black. brother. No, I did not see John Cina. They found this black guy that literally looks like the black version of John Cina. So you thought I was doing like a reverse Michael Jackson, like a reverse Sammy Sosa. Yeah, there's people out here doing it. More more like females. Macon's told me I would look exactly like Larry Nance Jr. So maybe I'm just trying to look like Larry Nance Jr. I can slide into a camp and say I'm Larry Nance Jr. and make a fuck ton of money. I don't have to do this anymore. Get a nice little tin.

later in the week too by the way welcome back making i can't wait to give you this chair back bro hey uh we argued about the fight for a while there i want you i want to give you an opportunity to say hello hello westchester new york hello remember that kid that said westchester the best chester who was that kid he went viral when we were in uh he had like a a greek name do you remember this kid you used to really like his videos oh annie millinoccas Andy Milanakis. You already know. I wonder where Andy Milanox is.

He's probably writing for some underground rappers. Shout out to Andy Milanox. Yo, he'll probably come on the show. Unless he's done something to get canceled. Then we reneg on the on the shoutout. Okay, layup line. Donda. Donda.

I am going to be playing some Kanye for layup line. I am playing Kanye for layup line. Donda's out. And I'm going to go ahead and play. Father Stretch My Hands, Part 1. Beautiful morning. Yeah, that's what I'm going to play from... That's off of Kanye's last good album, The Life of Pablo.

I respect your opinion. You're not going to get me fired up. I see what you're doing now. You're trying to get my triggers, but you're not going to do it. So I'm just going to let you have that one, and we'll talk about it later. We're going to talk about Donda and a little bit. Save it. But I also want to wish A.T. Lian's a happy 25th birthday.

Oh, hey. I just want to, yeah, dude, some albums make you feel old when you realize when they came out. That is one for me that definitely makes me feel old, but I'm just so appreciative, man. What a special album. What a special three album run. I say this often about Outcast. Find me another group in hip hop that had a three album run with arguably one skip. And that's just me being harsh on Mamasita.

I'm sorry that they set such a high bar and they had the one skip. But other than that, it's a three album run with like no. skips. So happy birthday. It's one of the greatest albums of all time. Reed, you got some housekeeping for us? Winbet, our partner and employer fired off a new whole slew of promotions. If you bet $1 on the Cowboys Buccaneers Week 1 matchup and either team scores a touchdown, you win $100. Winbet has tons of other offers, boosted odds and bonus plays. If you've got a dollar line around, head over to their website, download the app. Whalen can use his $1 for a bet. That's true.

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My question is, I'm going to Bonnaroo this week. And, of course, naturally, I'm on Mitchell and Ness. This is the one opportunity I have to still wear, like, day drinking hardwood classics. If I was to buy a Shaq jersey, what's your favorite? out of all the teams he played for. It's easily, it has to be the black Orlando striped. I think it's the blue, the blue jersey, the blue Orlando jersey.

It's that or I don't know if he played, did he play with Tracy McGready? Because Tracy McGready, I had a Tracy McGready. No, he played with Penny. I had a Tracy McGready jersey from there that was like all stars and I don't know if they had that, but like the Orlando Magic, they've had like pretty dope jerseys. Yeah, the Orlando Magic, it's a classic.

It's a classic. Okay, so here's the big Aristotle, aka Shaquille O'Neal, newest member of the Winbet family, who just today was one of four heavy hitters that entered a partnership with the NFL. So we can probably just go home now. Here's Shaq. All right, so I've got Dr. O'Neill on the Zoom.

How many times do you get the Dr. O'Neill thing, man, since you got your doctorate and all that? Quite a few. I mean, but it's probably 70. 99% check. Yeah, yeah. 10% deals with an arrest doctor. Hey, hey, a couple doctors.

And so you got a lot of titles now. One is brand ambassador for win bet. So congrats on that. We were just talking offline about that. It's got to be exciting. I always stayed at the win, man. I mean, like, it's my favorite spot to gamble. It's my favorite spot to stay.

How did that come about? Well, I have a long personal history with the win, you know, towards entertainment avenues. And, you know, I'm a resident. and Encore, DJ Residence in Encore Beach Club, Club Excess. So I was comfortable with the new ecosystem. I also saw the commercial with you, Melvin Gregg, Ben Affleck, and the question I have is how tall is Ben Affleck in reality?

Because he did not look tall in that commercial. He's supposed to be a tall guy. Ben Affleck is one of my favorite people in the world. I met him in the late 80s, and he's the same guy. He's always been nice to me. He's an avid sports fans. So when they told me he was directing, was directing the commercial what I like to be in.

And I was like, uh, yeah. And he was great and he was efficient. It was an honor for me to say, I've done something with Ben because, you know, I'm, I don't know how most superstars think, but when I get around other celebrities, I'm a normal guy. So the fact that I know Ben and he knows me and, you know, the fact that I always celebrities used to come watch me play, that's just, that just gives me the chuckles. But when they said he was directing a commercial,

we went out there, we had fun. Melvin Greg was a fabulous actor was also on a commercial. And, you know, it was great. Jack, did you bet on both of it? I went with Greg on this one. He has a whole system. Big payout.

Big pay out. Big pay out. Big pay out. Big pay out. But he's a legit, tall actor. Yes, he is. Very tall. Very tall.

And have you ever encountered an actor that could actually play? Like, have you ever played pickup with actors? I'm sure you have. You know what? Adam Sandler. He's legit, huh? I shot five movies with him.

He's legit. Not pro-legit, but he's definitely LA Fitness, you know, 24-hour fitness legit. Is he just getting shots up? What's his favorite spot? Like if you showed fucking

Adam Sandler's heat map, where are all the shots being taken? The top of the key and the side. And you know, he's a great facilitator. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we got to work on his fit, or maybe we don't, because I feel like that he just, like,

that's intimidating when you see a guy roll up to a pickup game wearing what Adam Sandler wears. Well, no, actually, you know, the guys that got the perfect fit or the guys that can't hoop. Or the guys that don't really care about what they wear, those guys that you've got to be wearing up. No doubt.

We're talking about the Affleck and Melvin-G commercial a little bit ago. Outside of that commercial, of course, do you have a favorite? You've shot, I feel like 100. of them and they've all been real good. You know, all my commercials are my favorite, and this is the reason why. I haven't played in 12 years.

So, in fact, I still have the ability to shoot commercials. Every time my team asks me to shoot a commercial, I'm just ecstatic. I'm so happy, and I'm just trying to, you know, do the same thing. You know, my commercials, we don't like to do pitchy commercials. We like do commercials that make you smile. Right. You have a good time.

Hopefully, in doing that, you will think about the product. I remember my favorite was the Michael J. one I think. Oh yeah. That's my favorite one. Yeah, dude. Because I was a kid, you know, and I just watched the YouTube before I came on. And it's this Russian nostalgia, bro.

Like, it just was such a, and that was it. 12-year-old me, smile when I saw that. I wanted a Pepsi. And they had Michael J. Fox sitting courtside. What's the deal with courtside in L.A.? Like, what are the do's and don'ts? Like, you know, Shack's do's and don'ts of sitting courtside in L.A. or anywhere? Well, am I playing or am I sitting courtside?

you're playing. Okay, so if you're playing and the guys that are courts at, you have to have put on the show. Bad games, no miss shots. And when I say put on the show, put on the show. Right. You have to get hot. You have to dunk and you have to look at them.

You have to acknowledge them. You have to, you know, because you have to give them the same enjoyment that they gave you. Like, whenever I saw a big-time superstar on the floor, I had to have a great game. You know, like when you go to certain arenas and, and you're just not feeling that today. You're like, I can't get it. But if I'm playing and Jack Nicholson, Adam Sandler and Denzel

with lovely wife's on the floor, oh, no, I got to go to work. Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. Not just commercials, not just the pitch man, obviously musician as well. And I want to show you something. This is, I showed Chuck this. I had Chuck on the show recently. This is 1997. It's the same year, I think, as your commercial.

You see that ticket right there? Oh, wow. But that's nice. What is that? Hey, bro. I was at that fucking show in Montana. Do you remember playing in Montana? Oh, yeah, I did. Hey, it was me and Frank Borkowski. Yes, I remember that. Hold on. Hold on. That was you.

Yeah, dude. It was me. Frank took me and buddy. We went to the Shack show, man. You worked the crowd in the middle of nowhere in Montana, bro. I remember that. I guess it was a friend of mine who said, you know me, you need to come to Montana. I was like, they don't like rap music. my time. They do if you're there. Yeah. You had everybody doing this shit. Yeah. And what's that what's that lake that Phil Jackson was on? It was freezing. Flathead Lake. I got a place there too. Steve. I wrote a C-Doo with Steve there once. Kerr. Oh, I jumped in the damn day. They almost died in that lake. I was a coldest water in my life. It's really refreshing. It's really refreshing.

And you've done DJ and obviously world famous DJ, DJ Diesel. If you could play anywhere in the world, you could do a set anywhere in the world. Like any party, where would it be? Well, I've already done it. It was a festival called Tomorrow World. I saw it in Atlanta in 2015. I want to say it was a half of many people there. And I played in Belgium two years in a row.

First year was about 50,000. And the second time was about 150,000. Yeah. So, you know, that gives me the same thing. same adrenaline effect as being down by one and they throw you the ball and you hit a turnaround fade away with 0.1-1-second on the clock game is over. What's easier to recover from? You have a bad quarter or you have a bad little piece of the set? I try not to have a bad piece of the set because I've always had the ability to look at

the crowd and see what they like. I mean, because it's because like simple math. If a song is it should work. If a song is a classic, it should work. If you mix a song with another song, it should work. You just have to have the right song selection. I mean, one time I went to a corporate party and I started off with Cardi B. It wasn't a good night. Which song did you start with, dude?

You can't mess with me. You're willing to that one. Yeah, dude. I know what you're talking about, too. So let me like I've gotten this question before we've asked people this in the show before If you could if the aliens came down and you had to you had to introduce them to hip hop and you had one album to play which would it be NWA really? Yeah okay I might I might just stick with the whole vibe and go A T. aliens or Kweminai you pick but either of those is that's gonna be my two yeah what about verses what do you have a favorite verses this year in the pandemic really burst

some great content on IG Live. The dip set versus the locks was probably the best one this year. At the end, he just took over. I wanted to play ball again. He made me want to play. Like he had the same competitive juice that we had playing sports. Like I wanted, of course I was rooting for the locks. They mopped him up.

They did. It did. Bad look. It was bad look. But everybody made money. So it's all good. Shaq Super Friends Volume 1. This is something that was it released or not released?

It was never released. At that point in my career, I was, I haven't won a championship yet, and I was getting a lot of fleck. So I met Phil Jackson at the cold-ass flathead lake. He said, I need you to put everything down. So this is the last project. And then I'd say to myself, okay, I'm not really making money doing this. Like, I'm breaking even.

Like, I'm spending a million, making two million. Like, I'm not a real rapper. This is not really money to me. So I just said, you know, and listen to what Phil Jackson says and just let me, you know, start focusing on the game. But it was never released. I may release it at some point in time.

A lot of great names on there. And I think you got to be the best tall rapper of all time. I'm the best athlete rapper of all time. Athlete rapper. Okay, best athlete rapper of all time. But I think also tall. I mean, outside Snoop, there's not a lot of 6, 5, and above MCs. No, you're right about that.

Shack on TV, okay? Season two of Shaq versus, which I'd never seen. I was doing a little reading. You did a competitive eating deal. Actually, just last night I finished the Waffle House Challenge. Have you heard about this Waffle House challenge of stupid shit? What do you have to do? You have to stay 24 hours in a Waffle House.

And for every waffle you eat, you get an hour off. Yeah, see? I'm doing that. What I was going to ask is how many. Oh, I'm doing that. Stay in a waffle, are you kidding me? Yeah, but the way out is you just eat a waffle and they subtract an hour. So I, just last night, I ate...

Oh, okay. I ate 14 of those motherfuckers, and I was out in 10 hours, and I'm wondering if I gave Shaq 10 hours, how many waffles do you think you polish off? But they got to be Waffle House. 20. 20. Yeah, because I would, yeah, because I would pace myself. I would eat a waffle every 30 minutes.

Yeah, that was a muffle. mistake I made. I sat down and I ate six and then I was just stuffed. The other debate we had about Shaq before we get into the basketball stuff is the Cribs episode, which is one of my all-time favorites. Everybody remembers the bed. That's the thing everybody remembers and you challenge people. Don't try to match the size of my bed. I can make it bigger. Are you still sleeping on a 30-foot bed? One guy challenged me so I made a 50 feet out. You really have a 50-footer right now. Yeah, because you have to understand the bed is made out of wood and you just put the mattresses on top.

So one guy sent me a picture of his bed, so I just extended my bed 20 more feet. So let me ask you if I made a 70 foot bed, would you have to top it like contractually? I would actually turn a whole room into a bed and I have that room. That I said it's possible. Reid, turn the studio into a bed and then we're going to send a picture of Shaq and he's just going to have to keep, he's going to have to keep up one up in us, all right? Yeah. This is free fucking content here. I'm serious, too, Reed.

I want a fucking bed the size of the third floor here, okay? Also, second question from that episode, when did we stop with fitted hats? Because, like, I saw your closet. You had a ton of them. Everybody had them in the 2000s. Like, what age did dudes stop wearing fittets? You know what, you know, it's crazy?

I wore one the other night when I was smart. They're all just sitting there. So what, which, do you, like, you can't go two, tone anymore. No, I don't go to the tone. I like all the dark colors. Yeah, like a Yankees have it. I like all my favorite teams. And I like the one that got the D and the S on. They biggest Seattle Mariners and Detroit, something. I know what you're talking about. That's it. Dude, I can't wear them anymore. I look stupid in them and I kind of stop. Yeah, bro.

You know, plus I've been working on this mullet and this flow up here. But it's good though, bro. Thanks, I appreciate it. I got a little waterfall coming out of the back, too. So that's the best compliment I could have got. Shack compliment in my mullet. In the 90s, man, like for me, 36-year-old dude, I feel like that's the golden age of basketball, but I feel like probably every generation is going to feel like they watch their favorite generation.

This generation sucks, so I never really do well. There we go. So talking about the 90s, man, like we had John Stark. Go ahead. Before you ask this question, do you feel... about this generation in football, like I feel about this generation of basketball. I don't think it sucks.

I just think they've, it's so corporatized and so like just like sterile. The NFL's made it kind of more sterile. And I feel like there was more hitting. There was more, bro, like all the players that I love why, like Bob Sanders, Troy Palomalu, like guys like they could never play now. Ever.

Like, you know, every little hit is a penalty. And what's the thing you hit somebody with your head? helmet you can throw out the game what is that well listen I think that was the year I retired and I retired at a good time because the last thing I want to see when I'm risking my life to play a sport is that you guys are going to take my money for it I mean like come on now I so yeah the 90s were the best they were the best in football they were the best in basketball and you know having said that we had John Stark's on recently we were talking about guys from the 90s that could their game could transition.

And I was wondering who you thought that people might not realize would still play at a high level in the 2020s that played against you or with you. Me? Yeah, outside of you because I think you play you're good in any weather, dude. Because all these big guys are buttercups. You want to shoot jumpers. I'm never shooting a jumper. Yeah.

But Jordan definitely could have played. Yeah. Dominantly could have played Isaiah. Like all the top grades could definitely play in this era. And the reason why I said it, because similar to football where they take the hitting away, Jordan and those guys played in the hard-file hand-checking era, and they still dominate it. So if you play now where you can't hand-check and you can't body-checking, you can't do certain things, what do you think the outcome would be?

I laugh at the so-called critics that say, oh, you know, he can never play his error. This era, I hate to say it, I really care who likes it. This error is much softer. It is what it is. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, and the rules encourage it. And so I guess the other way going back, who's a guy now who's a star that you're like, oh, he can play with us.

Well, LeBron did play with us. Kevin played with us. You know, Kyrie sort of kind of played with us. You know, the guys that are, the older guys that are doing it, learn from us. Like you said, the rules and the corporatization of the things which made the camps off, but they still play a certain way. I would have liked to see how Steph Curry would have done in the horrified hand check era. You think what do you think would be the biggest challenge for him other than the very obvious,

like breaking it down to me, kind of an average basketball fan. I love Steph Curry. He's my favorite player, but I look at him like, he still looks like a little baby sometimes. That was my thing. That was my thing. I used to still deep fish all the time. The guy gets hot, sending to the little bit. hold, let me touch them up.

Yeah. Because, you know, a lot of people don't know, the reason why I survived Hacker Shock is my first love. I'm a football player first. Yeah. And I never, I never even thought about basketball until. My father showed me an article where John Conkak was making a lot of money. Because my idol was too tall Jones before it was Magic Gousal to Korea on Dutja Park.

And I used to love the hit and I used to love beat people up. So I brought the football mentality to the NBA when I played. What position would you have played? Tight in. My hands are impeccable. Impactable. You've been like a super gronk. You know who my college roommate was?

Odell Beckham, Sr. Really? Yes. He learned from me. And his son learned for me. His hands are impeccable, man. That guy is, that guy can snatch it out of the air, bro. I'm looking at your LSU stuff.

And I don't know how much of when you did blue chips, I don't know if any of that stuff rang true or not, but like now if you played, you wouldn't even have to deal with any of that stuff. The statute of limitations. I had a lot of offers. Okay. There we go. I had a lot of offers. But my father told me something very profoundly one day.

Yeah. It relates to, you know, taking stuff that you're not supposed to take and going broke too early. He told me he says, son, we've been broke for 17 years. We can be broke for 80 years. Get an education. Yeah. Get education. Because, like, my sophomore year, I was hot.

Dick Bartel, I had me ready to hot. So this is, my dad was a, I'm sure your father was similar. My dad was a guy you don't really challenge unless it's that time. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, I'm not challenging the flat top. Yeah, so I came and said, hey, man, I'm going pro. He was so smart to talk to your mother. Because they kind of knew what I was going to do.

So mom said, okay, baby, let's talk about it. Balance his checkbook. I had no idea what I was doing. I didn't know nothing. I was like, oh, what is this? Like, it's like I've never even seen a check before. And then my mom said, baby, you're not ready. You're not going anywhere.

So I was like, you know what? She's right. Because, you know, we all hear stories about our athletes. After they're done playing. I don't have anything. I think I wouldn't be part of that. So the majority of the year, when I came back, after I took my accountant class and my business class,

and I was ready for that. Yeah. What would you have, who would you have partnered with like corporately like what product would you push because you push so many great products we talked about the commercials a 19 year old or actually 18 year old shack walking on campus with NIL the way it is now what's your first big lick I would do a different I would use the NIL experience for introductions for example let's just say I'm the shack now and I'm probably going to be the first two, three picks. So I'm okay, okay, Nike won't give me $20,000? Nah, but I'm going to be the first

pick. I need them Kevin Durant number. So how about we do not take the $20,000? How about we set up meetings and talk about future business? That's what I would do. Like, I'm not just going to be, oh, Nike wants to pay you $20,000 just to wear it. Now I'm not going to do it because sometimes you have to think ahead. And, you know, all money ain't perfect money. So $20,000 is good for college kid who doesn't have it but if you keep doing the right things and three or four in 90 days 90 days you're going to have the draft yeah 120 days you're going to sign a contract 150 days you'll be able to buy your parents who'll be on hold off so me I would I would use the n i the nio experience to set up future meetings I don't like reading and I was a kid when you left Orlando

like you know so to me I'm a kid watching sports I'm not reading you know the business part of the the sports page. So I didn't realize how probably like you're a bit of a trailblazer when it came to like, you know, player mobility. And I don't feel like you got the credit you deserve in your era and a few of you guys in your era didn't get the credit they deserve when it come to player empowerment. Do you see that? Yeah, but it's not something I worry about. Yeah. One of my greatest attributes except for one of my agents here named Danny, I never listened to him. But everybody else said, I'm a great listener. So of course, and I came in, I didn't know nothing about contracts. So my guy said, hey, we're going to sign 40 for seven. It would be the biggest

rookie deal ever, but we'll have an option after four. I'm like, what is that mean? He's like, well, if you're doing well, you can scrap that and ask for more money. I was like, you know, and I'll take it. And then I knew that, I knew that if a certain player that wasn't as good as me made more money to me, I love that. Right. So when big dog was asked for 120, I was like, please give a toll. Because if you give him $120, I'm starting off at $190. So when Alonzo signed for $1.15 and Juwant signed for $110, we were back to Orlando.

I was like, hey, $150. And they refused. And then Jerry West called me during Olympics. I got some good news for it. I got that 120. And then I let me that contract. I never seen some of these zeros in my life. I had to sign it.

Like, I didn't even tell my parents, my kids, nothing. Like, I just saw all I thought was 120. comma zero zero comma zero comma zero zero oh my god hundred million so I just I just you know signed it right away I mean this was the there was seen you mentioned juan like yeah that was the kiss of death like you know as far as you getting

the bag that you wanted and it's just that's the name of the game it's still the name of the game that's why everybody should root for each other in pro sports but I feel like there's so much jealousy even though the first thing when I got in locker rooms in the NFL was like don't count people's money but then that's all I heard dudes doing And I definitely use that as motivation. But the Sun Sentinel thing was not, was that blown out of proportion, the poll that I read about? No, that was real.

I still live in Orlando. It's a great town. But you know, people ask me all the time. If we were to stay together, I'm guaranteeing we definitely could have got one. Right. Because Penny, not a lot of kids today, remember, Penny was Kobe before Kobe. And Penny came in like that. You know, Kobe took him more than two years to develop that black mama.

But when Penny came in, Penny was the real deal right away. And then, you know, he got injured. What do you think developed that black mama? You said it wasn't like that right away? He was always, well, he was always a super ambitious kid. And he was the type that he's not going to stop. He was like me, I'll go, boom, boom, me, man, and then I got to go to the club. Or bim-m-b-b-m-m-and- I got to go to the church.

He was g-d-d-d-d-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-d-a. Like, when he first came in at 17 years old, we had to, like, slow now. Yeah. Relax. But he's like, no, I want to take a last shot. I want to do that.

And, you know, it takes a special kind of person to be like that. And he was definitely that kind of special part. He knew from 17 and he wanted to be the best player. Talking about special players and somebody I know you have a really powerful relationship with. Recently, I saw you got pulled as the fourth best center of all time and it surprised me. You were like, yeah, I agree with that or whatever you said. But Bill Russell's on that list. And I feel like that's a dude. You guys seem really tight. And I know it's hard to share sometimes conversations,

but like has he ever told you something that really changed the game for you? Like a great piece of advice. Or what was the most powerful discussion you all had that you came away and said, okay, that's a jewel right there. I got to catch that. He just told me about his life. He was the first and second great big man to be nice to me. Actually, he was the first. I'm going to tell you the second one.

It's like I wanted Kareem and Will to say something. You suck. Go baseline. Shoot a hook. Never said anything to him. We'd be in the same restaurant. Wouldn't even speak. Cool.

You know, Russell, hey, how you doing? and we never talked basketball he was just sitting and tell me stories you know about the times he couldn't stay in the same hotel as a teammates you know read this right all about this right on about that I was fresh and like wow

one of the grace was talking to my best experience another great sir alive older gentleman Minnesota every time I came to Minnesota he'd be in the back he's like Shagg I'm George Mikey and I'm like sir I know who you are you never had to explain

every game. And I'll tell you, every time he came to Minnesota, he was in the back, and he just wanted to talk. I'll take a picture. Then I came back one time, they had amputated one of his legs. He's like, I'm not missing his game for nothing. And then another time I invited another one of his legs,

but he always came, and then he passed away. I called his family, and I paid for a show. But the fact that two of the greatest sinners in the world came to watch me play and recognized me, and gave me the stamp. of approval. It's just, you know, something that you're familiar with. It's just a testament to hard work because your father was a professional athlete

and gave you all the answers to the test. Mine wasn't, but both listened and made it there. So, like, when I first started playing, this is what my father said. True story said, you listen to me. I make you one of the best sinners ever. Your name's going to be mentioned with George, Mike and, Kareen, Bill, and Will.

When I was young, I was like, yeah, okay. I didn't really know those guys work. Dr. Jelves, Mike, he's saying all these names, and then the fact that they know me, it just, you know, made me go back to, you know, saying things that, you know, the stuff that you take for granted when they pass away. And, uh, but George, Mike and, like, he always used to come back and, and he just check him, like, George, sir, I know you are. Like, Mr. Michael, I know where you are.

Like, you just, man, I've been doing your drill. I've been doing your drill for 20 years. Oh my God, dude. That's amazing. And I feel like players, young players could use like a little, like hearing something like that because you got to appreciate the guys that came before you. And I do think there's like not to sound like an old, old dude or something, but I do think I already notice that younger guys don't appreciate it the same, you know, as maybe your generation. They don't because of money is much higher. Yeah.

Yeah. It's much higher. But I'll never. That's why when I look at the list and they say you're fourth. bro, as long as I'm up there with those names, like my father told me, fine with that. I don't have to be one, but as long as I'm right there, because he told me, like, when I was the clumsy kid who couldn't do the mic and drill, everybody was saying, hey, you're six-nine, you're wearing two new braces, you'll never be a great of me

and he said, listen to me, and I made it. So I don't have a problem with being fourth, fifth. If you put other people's names before me, I have a problem. But Will, George, Bill, Kareem, I'm not afraid. Anybody else, I'm going to have to fight you. Just make it fair. If you're going to put me down, make it fair. There's nothing, it's not like being put down.

Not being fourth all time. I mean, golly. Last question here, September 9th. Win bet, all right, it's going live in Arizona. It's already live in five, six states. So when I looked at the futures for winning the NBA finals, the sons are in the top five. I don't bet they're going to win.

But, you know, I guess if there is a futures bet out there for them to get back to the finals, how do you feel about it next year? And what's at play in the West? For them, I want to disagree with you. Lakers are coming back strong in the West and Brooklyn's coming back strong in the East. If I had a future bet, it'll be the Lakers versus Brooklyn in the finals. And I'll be willing to drop $10,000 on that. Wow.

Well, I mean, that ain't much. For you. For me, I mean, that's, I'm fucking, that's one of my biggest futures best of the year, yeah. Depends on what the odds are, though, brother. Yeah, no, no doubt, no doubt. Shack, Dr. O'Neill, brand ambassador for the win. I mean, he does it all. And I'm really excited to be one of your coworkers, sort of, man.

So come back again and congrats on all the success, man. No problem. Tell your family, especially your father said hello. I sure will. I'll talk you soon, brother. Okay, man. Be well. See you, bud. I knew that was him.

I was looking at a lot. I know this kid from somewhere. I knew that was you. I got to tell you interviewing Shaq. I was a little nervous. Look, he's a big guy. He probably makes a lot of people nervous. Yeah, you know, and his voice is really deep, and it's kind of like monotone, and it just stays there.

So you're like, is he happy to talk to me, or is he just, like, hanging out? And then eventually, you realize he's just hanging out, and he's happy to be there and he's chill. I love Shaq. I met him in New Orleans and he was super nice, super nice. And now I can say I interviewed him. So that was good. That was good for us.

That was good for us. Yeah, yeah. Hey, co-workers. Good, bad, ugly. What do you got for good? You know, I got to give it up to Donda. Donda. Donda.

Donda. Donda. Donda. Bro, when I turned it on, I was like. Oh, I think he's genius. He's smart. Oh, yeah. It's tantric.

It's like. It's ASMR. Is that what it was? It's all that. It's all of that stuff. If you fall asleep and you're listening to that, you're going to wake up and be like, Danda, Danda.

Never grow up, man. You're squarely somehow in the demo for this, for this album in the 14 to 26 demo. And this is, I'm not the only one because as of today, bro, five days it's been out 300,000 sales. 300k sales first week short week he dropped on a sunday five days five days these rappers and these artists nowadays are doing 45k to 60k they're dropping their first week in a full week so you are you are just a child of the internet at the end of the day at the end of the day you can say what you want like he knows how to build buzz and he knows how to drop projects and he's been doing it and there's nothing new and he did it with no cussing No cussing, bro. How can you hate on that? I'm doing it right now.

Yeah, I know, but like, it's just that, like, why, though? No, no, I mean, it's cool. I mean, I totally respect the no cussing thing. I totally respect the 8 a.m. on Sunday thing. I respect the, you know, like, I'm, you know, second coming of Christ. So, like, there's a big theme here. I used to love Kanye's kind of intoxicated ego when, you know, albums one through four or five.

I mean, it was, it was, he was one of my favorite rappers of all the time. I used to argue with dudes on the plane that were like, it was Drake or Kanye. This was a big argument that would rage on the Eagles team playing. And me and Jordan Matthews would argue with like a cup. But no, not currently. And I don't even like Drake's music really right now. It's like, I think Drake's music is for like going to the club, hanging out, for driving in your nice car or imagining doing that. You think he's doing 300k in his first week?

And I'm not imagining that or doing it anymore. So like I don't need Drake's music anymore. personally i respect his talent but i always maintained that kanya was a better artist because the way he produced his music and i value that shit but that's run out for me now i'm just not into this i mean like 27 songs i guess it was was it 27 songs i kept scrolling and scrolling and scrolling all right here's the quest love tweet i think he put it perfectly man this album is 27 songs long i lost steam after eight that's right where i lost steam too i feel so good about that and that's an actual genius right there but i am giving it a once through the target demo for this album is 15 to 26 but y'all got a chill

on this need to declare first classics can't be claimed 24 hours after some product comes out i've seen it backfire both ways but i think in 20 years or so we're still going to be hearing songs off this album on like Church movies, like a whole bunch of different genres and things like that, bro. Like, like, I can see. Passion of the Christ, too. Bro, all that stuff, yes. They're not even going to do a fucking soundtrack. They already play Jesus walks in a lot of, a lot of music stuff.

Jesus is going to be walking into Nazareth. They're just going to go, Donda, Donda, Donda. Donda. Yes. Bro, no. The next Wakanda movie. Yes. Donda.

Donda. Donda. You don't think that's going to be in there? No. Bro, yes. I hope not. Well, whatever, man. I hope not. To each his own. Yeah, to each his own.

And I'm totally, I respect the fact that you're, like, obsessed with marketing and YouTube and that sort of thing. But there is, there's a musical consideration. I just don't like the production of the album. Kanye is bulletproof because he's got a bunch of white teenagers that listen to his music. He knows what he's doing. And guess what? I know. Whalen is going to be strapped up in, in Gap easy.

Yeah. Whelan wears Gap. I mean, Ricky Bobby. I guarantee you. that your wife will come on with Gap clothes, cute Gap clothes for your kids in the future, and they will be part... He has a deal with Gap.

Yeeasy for kids. It doesn't mean I'm going to buy the Yeeasies. Of course you're going to buy the Yeezy stuff from Gap. Like, of course. Every middle... You just said it. You act like it's a... What's his genre?

You act like it's a baby monitor. Like, it's a universal thing that every kid's going to be geared up with at Christmas. No, no, no, no, no. Not every kid. every little white kid will be. Well, no, not my white kid. Because you know why?

Because Kim K and the Kardashians, they're going to market that. And all of the little white kids are going to be wearing Gap Easy. You better believe it. Okay, I'm not even going to get through Donda, but maybe in 25 years when they're playing it on every powerful motion picture, I'll revisit. Because it sounds like they're going to send it up in the fucking space needle. So, time about it. So like preserve it.

So for you, let me ask you personally for you, what's impressive in, for sales, for you, regardless, care about sales. So you don't.

Regardless that the music is good or not, no, you don't care about, okay. I'm a consumer. All right, cool. I'm a consumer.

I want to listen to music that I like. No, I feel you. So we're coming at it from different places. You're looking at it like, I'm looking at his stats.

That's not the way it works. It's not the way it works. Okay. Some of the worst music in the world is the most popular music. I like the music. I like it. And that's fair. fuck. I like it. That's fair as fuck. You know what my good is? I didn't really have a good this week,

so I was like, hey, that guy from the Texans who kicked the ball. I used to do that in high school. You used to kick off for them. He was the safety. Justin Reed. Yeah, I used to kick off and I used to punt. So it's just one of those things. You never been in a pump passing kick contest when you were younger? No, dude. No. Where did they do those? Raise your hand in the studio if you've been in a pump passing kick competition. Have you? Have you? Have you? Yeah. Oh, okay. I got. I got. I You got second place in it, but they have like national competition. If you were in my punt passing kick competition, that's the first thing. Hey, raise your hand.

If you can't raise your hand, I don't need you punt, punting, passing, or kicking for my team. Dude, you didn't even raise your hand, so you did all that punt and passing kick. I was in one. I'm the one who brought it up. You never even been in one. Andy Reed was in one. Maybe we need to do one in Charlottesville, if that's the case. Justin Reed, he kicked the ball off.

It went to the goal line. They had 11 tacklers on the field. That's a new strategy in the NFL. It's cheating. The Houston Texans are cheating until someone runs one back to the house and then they just scrap that.

Nah, dude, if you got a guy who can kick the ball to the goal line and force people to field awkward kicks that aren't coming off the foot the way they do off Graham Gano's little size six, you know, like,

end over end bullshit, and you've got to decide, do I want to stay in, do I want to go out? You know how many times I've seen that? One of my old teammates did that. He was in a playoff game. I think it was the Texans.

It was two years ago against the Bills. It was a guy named Darnel Carter. He used to be on practice squad in Philly. He ran out. He ran back in. And it was reviewed and he wasn't called a safety. But for a second there, I thought I was going to see a guy get fired on national TV.

That's the type of stuff that happens when you do what they're doing with Justin Reed's, new strategy. Okay. So, but here's the thing now. What? So are you going to pay kickers less? because that's one less thing the kicker has to do now. And you think about it like in bunches,

that's mainly what a kicker's job is to do. So are you paying kickers less? And if I'm the safety that's kicking, am I asking for a little bit more money if I'm kicking good? Like now what happens with that? Well, I mean, I think you just tell the kickers to kick rocks and you just make what we pay you because you're a kicker. And like you need to kick the ball through the uprights.

And I really don't care that, you know, our corner is kicking off now. like big fucking whoop used to kick the ball through the end zone i could hire any soccer player in america to do that how about a bad my bad this week is our guy who left you on red joey chestnut now not technically well joey chestnut in the in the whole glizzy situation glizzy gate so there was an article that says that he has eaten 19,000 200 hot dogs and he has lost 1.3 years off his life. Worth it. With the amount of money he's probably won in endorsements. Hey, that extra year pay like exactly dude the money and then also you could be spending your life you live to 97 sure you're eating chia seeds like all day long just fucking

chia seeds and how can you give like a good Nathan's glizzy you can't you can't you can't no no But, hey, prayers up to our guy who's probably, you know, catch Joey Chestnut well you can. I did want to bring this up. Have you heard of the Glizzy Challenge? One of our listeners tweeted this at me. I think our boy, I have it. Scooch. Stephen Scooch, Shock.

Our boy, he did the Glyssie challenge. It's nine hot dogs and nine beers and nine innings, which sounds like fucking cake walk legitimately me uh at the one exactly nine hot dogs and nine beers that's nothing bro be quiet bro you're not doing that i will because you can't you can't control how long innings are and like what what size beer are you drinking and all that dude it's i would assume it's a standard size like fucking bud light or cores light silver bullet you give me nine silver bullets that's that's that's basically nine beers nine hot dogs in like 90 minutes have you ever been to a baseball game? I have and they're 90 minutes to two hours. Are they not?

Yeah, I think you want to go off. Well, I went to go see what you call it. Maybe it was different. I told you, I went to a Rockies game. Were you watching Rob Culler pitch? No, he almost threw a no hitter. So he was just striking everyone out. Yeah, well, most of these games aren't no hitters. I'm going to go to a fucking game with somebody has a shitty bullpen. And I would, I don't care who's pitching. I don't care if it's fucking Nolan Ryan, dude. I'm eating nine hot dogs and drinking nine beers. That's child's play for I hyped up the Waffle House thing for the good for the good of content you want to place a wager It sounds good you want to place a wager you got to do the Waffle House challenge if I can do nine beers and nine Nine innings with nine hot dogs to boot definitely not you don't want to do it no let's put something on it

I'm a celebrity I'm a celebrity now let's make some content let's go nine nine nine Let's cross that one off the list because like I said I was fucking around about Waffle House I was scared to death oh we can drink beers now at the UVA football games. That's your seats. That's good news. That's great news. They got glissies there?

We should go to a baseball game. If they serve... I'm not doing it locally. I got to go to some city where nobody knows me. Oh my God. Why would I want to go to a UVA game? We went to the Waffle House and no one knew you, bro. Yeah, but guess what, dude?

No, it was a Wednesday. All I'm saying is that if we go to a local baseball game to do the 9-99-9-9-glizzy challenge, I'll be fucking kind of drunk and burping. hot dogs around somebody that's pairing them my kid's classmate or something we need to go to like Cincinnati to do this Cincinnati just the most random ballpark Cowboy Reed where are we going

which ballpark Toronto Blue Jays that's too far it's got to be driving distance I like your style I like your style Cowboy Reed the average baseball game is three hours and eight minutes so you have plenty of time oh my God I could drink I could drink nine

I could do nine glizzies and nine silver bullets and an hour dude no question i don't even want to camp in yards three hour drive easy easy money my son's favorite baseball team orioles so maybe i could go scout it out for him before we go i still don't think you could hey i want to add something to bad there was a fucking turnover cape this weekend spotted in um in in in in at fresno state you know we're doing these turnover chains we're doing turnover you know whatever the fucks man for a second i thought it was ruckers i almost pulled a muscle getting to my my phone to tweet at devon mccordy but it was fresno state and nothing personal

they beat us in the boise bowl 20 years ago or whatever it was um that doesn't haunt me at all i wasn't here for that i know but well i didn't play so it can't technically haunt me but the trip just kind of sucked because of it al grow wanted to light all his micrown pc bowl gear on fire there was a time that you never played oh yeah dude well What the fuck? Yeah, dude. Yeah, I wasn't that good? What?

Yeah, I didn't end up. I mean, you know, it's a bunch of grit. Hey, listen. This, this turnover cape was terrible in Fresno State. It was like a riddler. You know, the riddler? It was like a riddler cape that you buy it. Like the party starts here.

It's green. Turn over. You saw it? Turn over. It's like money green. I think either it's money or it's like, yeah. Yeah. It's bad.

dude it looks like they ordered it off amazon you can't get somebody to make that isn't that what the hamburgler wears the thing's terrible dude like you know who the hamburger is from mcdonald's you know is that a bishop don't magic wand thing or something i don't know that's the only excuse is if it comes out that this is a bishop don't magic wand thing like cool maybe but this thing here but what kind of money signs are those i would wear it with pride i would wear it with pride if i was a Fresno State Bulldog, but for me and outsider, I think it's been done. It's been done better. Wait, tell me, those aren't even money signs, are they? They look like money signs to me. There's, money signs have two lines. I know, I don't understand.

I don't understand. Uh, yeah. I don't get it. I guess that's cool for them. They seem hyped about it. Yeah, I mean, they just got a turnover. So, I mean, you could put a fucking dead raccoon on my shoulder and I'd probably be hyped after a strip sack. We should get a live, wahoo. A fish? Yes. Just flopping around? Like, this catch it. Like, you know how they do it? in Seattle when you buy fish at the shops like a well you probably want a dead one nah all right ugly um mine it's pretty easy uh it's

it's this Arizona sun devils thing Arizona State Sun Devils thing Arizona State there's a petition calling for the university to switch their mascot from the Sun Devils to the Sun Angels there are all sorts of petitions that doesn't mean something should happen just because you have a fucking petition doesn't mean that it should be. This is really stupid. You're team devil?

No, but like, you know, it's like being team unicorn. It's not real. Bro, I'm not jumping that line with you. The devil is not cool with me. Devil's got no stats, bro. Devil's not cool with me. Devil, devil put up no stat line. I'm on the petition sign for the angel.

bro listen it's it makes no sense with all the mascots out there that are literally on the board with with high frequency for like killing people harming people maiming people i mean there's Miami hurricanes there's a hurricane right now in new orleans okay hope everybody's doing okay down there fucking hurricanes fuck shit up all the time we don't even blink we don't even blink they have like a hurricane siren at their field the devil has no stats bro devil has no stats the devil is a liar um here here look in the pack 12

look in the pack 12 look in the state of Arizona we just talked about Arizona with shack the suns global warming skin cancer all types of stuff so maybe they much more dangerous than the devil's okay that's just in the no that's just in the state of Arizona in the pack 12 Stanford tree trees kill hundreds of people a year

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Is that just, oh, you're just talking about the mascot? Yeah, how dangerous. There's nothing dangerous about the devil. Devil doesn't do anything. You know what does something? Cougars, Washington State. You know what does something, huskies?

Huskies are... Well, what kind of cougars you're talking about now, though? Yeah. You know? Yeah. There is that. I don't know where you're going with it, but there is that. The Bruins, Bruins, Bears,

fuck people up. I mean, USC has a horse called traveler. What's that mean? Okay. USC has a horse called traveler. Do you know who else's horse

was called traveler? Does anybody in here know? Uh-oh. Robert E. Lee. Okay? The motherfuckers are in California. It's like the people out west. Like you're extra racist

that you're like just... I mean, I'm not saying the horse is racist. There might have been another horse called traveler, but all I'm saying in like this generation of freaking out about shit and changing stupid ass names they haven't gotten that horse yet but they're going to go after the sun devil a sun devil it's not real it's not real all that's telling me is that they're not making enough money

marketing with it and they're just trying to find a way to get out it just means that we it just means that while we were worried about all the oversensitive millennials we forgot to account for their fucking parents who believe in the devil and think that the devil is offensive. Anyways, that's ugly for me. That's ugly for me. And I looked at a poll. It was only 10% of people.

So this is one of these things where we're making a mountain out of a molehill. But 10% of people cannot bring themselves to watch an Arizona state football game. I know a lot of church folk that feel the same way as those 10%. And that's terrific. So that's terrific for them.

I know a lot of church folk that voted for Donald Trump. I know a lot of church folk that steal from people. I know a lot of church folks that are adulterous. I know a lot of church folk that are totally fucked up. I know a lot of church folks who are great people. But the devil, that's the lie. Bro, that's the fine lie. You side in with the devil, man. I'm not siding with the devil. If you're cheering for the devil and rooting for the devil, you siding with the devil. Preach. Hey, listen, here's the deal, man. Here is the deal. If you want to hook me when it comes to Arizona

State, tell the people what you just told me. I've seen their campus. Shout out to my man Denzel. He works for their football program and they have a lazy river running through their campus where

people can choose to hop on an inner tube in water to float to your next class. I don't know why we haven't done this worldwide. Like, if that's not an incentive to get up and go to class and just be social and have fun at school, like, man, that is a, when I seen that, I was just like, like, if I took my official visits, like, I was supposed to, and I ended up there, Virginia never would have stood a chance. No chance, man. Here's the thing about floating a river to get to your destination. relaxing, comfortable, no carbon emissions, and a bunch more things.

But then the only negative is you're wet. Like, that's it. You're wet, dude. Big deal. You know how hot it gets out there? Yeah. By time you get to your class, you could dry off. You're drying off.

Dude, it's dry, and it's a dry heat. A lot of people tell me it's worse than it's not the heat. It's the humidity. But the dry heat, that does wonders for you when you're walking to class, dude. I was there three days. Finished a pack of gum by myself because of the, there's no humidity. Have you ever finished a pack of gun by yourself?

Hell yeah, one flight, dude, being nervous about, like orbit gum, not like a five pack. Like a, how many pieces are in orbit? I'm talking about a trident size.

But after, because when you're there, when you're chewing gum, literally after five minutes, you have no saliva and the gum is gone. Damn. I got an ugly to end it on. Yeah,

sure. So I heard your, out here ruining kids lives and a fan was listening to the podcast and because you had to say that the tooth fairy is not real that now this poor guy has a new dilemma on his hand trying to explain to a son where the hell his tooth goes when he puts it under his pillow. That was a long way of saying I fucked up the tooth fairy for a kid. You did fuck it up. but I'm more I'm worried about the dad

yeah the dad I'm like bro this is edgy this podcast this is edgy it keeps me up at night sometimes how edgy this podcast is I kind of like the edge you like the edge I like living on the edge

I think the people at home like the edge too but here's a hot tip for you don't listen to this podcast with your kids especially if they believe in the tooth fairy if they believe in fucking Santa Claus

if they believe in the devil don't have them listen to this podcast. If you want your kids to really like... No, if you guys like to worship the devil, I think if you need the devil to get your kid to do his or her homework, you're weak. If you need to get the devil to get your kid to pass that class and be home by curfew, you're just fucking weak.

You know what they need? I'm just joking. Those kids probably need some Donda in their life. Danda. Donda. Donda. Donda. Now we've got Sean Merriman.

because we're going to talk about that fight a little bit more. Light out. We're done to joining us now. And I don't do a lot of Maryland tarapins on the show, man. You know, like this, you got to really be my dude. But he's a cool one. Yeah, the lights out, dude. We were watching.

Sean Merriman, you know who it is, guys. Sean, how are we? I'm doing well, man. How about to sell? We're good. I was up late watching these fights. And like I was telling you offline, I was like, you know, we sit here and argue me and Nate about is it fixed, you know, could Tyron beat him up if he fought him twice, like all this stuff.

We don't know the fight game like somebody like you. You started lights out and we'll get to that in a second. What do you watch? Because you have a unique seat as an athlete and a guy who's kind of dove into the whole fighting world, which is way different. What do you see when you watch this stuff? Well, okay, first of foremost, I want to kind of see. set the just how people look at it, right? Yeah. And so people want to automatically and say, you know, this is going to disturb or disrupt boxing. I look at it as entertainment, right?

Um, and how do people feel when they pay their $60 for the fight? Did they get their $60 worth? That's, that's how I look at it because we being in the fight business, uh, with light's out extreme fighting, even though it's M and A, I grew up in, in a boxing family. All my, all my family were professional boxes, uncles, and, cousin. So I grew up in a boxing family. But I look at it as entertainment, right? I mean, just if you're looking at it to see top quality A plus boxing, then you're looking at it wrong.

Right. I see to somebody with a great follow, like Jake Paul, and I see somebody that's a decorated MMA guy that's on his way out. I mean, he's retiring. He's retiring, you know, retiring soon. So who who's not going to want to pay the see them fight? Right. That's how I say. It's two popular kids in high school that, you know, you say at 3 p.m. meet me out back, right? Now, if they're the two public kids, what's going to happen? The whole entire school is going to come and watch them fight. And that's basically what's happening right now. My only thing is this, though, if the two popular kids went out back and they were fighting, they wouldn't say, like, touch gloves, you guys got to stay in the ring and, hey, no illegal

punching. And like, it would just be a, it'd be kind of more like what you're into, the MMA stuff, I feel like. Yeah, I mean, okay, so I think they did it right, right? And Stephen Espinoza and those guys over the showtime, they've been doing it for a very long time. Yeah. What they did was they put the people that's going to draw in the eyeballs as the main event. Yeah. And you put some really good fighters who've been around for a long time as your co-main event and undercard.

Yeah. So the people like love, the one that fought two fights before, two fights before the main event. Yeah. I didn't, I watched, I knew who he was, but I never really watched him. So guess what I'm doing now? I'm going to be watching love from this point on. I didn't know he was that good. I thought, I knew of him.

He beat the guy from Richmond. Well, no, so that makes sense. This makes perfect sense. Like what you were arguing earlier, which I don't even know what we're arguing about, because like for me, I'm just saying that Jake Paul's not that good at boxing. Like he's, I respect it, but like fight a real fighter, which is that, it's low-hanging fruit for everybody. Like, we know eventually it has to go there.

because this might get old. But my thing is, the redeeming value here is I get to watch Serrano fight for the first time. You know, last night. And that was like, holy shit. And now I'm going to do what Sean's talking about doing, which is I'm going to follow a guy or a girl's career. And I didn't say this earlier in the right way, but like Sean was saying, the fact that Serrano got that popularity, it's because of Jake Paul. It's because. Yes.

And it's setting that up. but he's been vocal about how he's willing to do that and help all these guys. Like, if you want this promotion, get on these cards with me and do your thing. Yeah, yeah. And so I respect and like that factor of it. Totally good with that. Totally good with that. I'm not, you know, I respect the kid and what he's doing is obviously successful.

What happens if they fight again? Is they're like, because you could tell early on that one, like Woodley's like, let me get him tired and two. I got to figure out how to box in actuality. Well, you know, I know both of them well. I've known for a long time, both of them. And so when you look at this fight, I don't think it's worthy of a rematch. I don't think they're going to make the same amount of money.

I don't think they're going to get the same amount of paper views. It wasn't exciting enough. And T. Wood just didn't let his hands go enough. He had Jake hurt. And so my thing is, if you did want to rematch, let your hands go, because all rematches, you know, two and, you know, sequels, trilogies, it's because these guys get it on. They throw punches.

They're like, you know what, we want to see this shit again no matter what. And I just didn't see enough in their fight for them, for me to sit back and say, you know what, I'll pay another $60 to see that again. I think it's going to be better if Jake Paul goes fight Nick Diaz or Mazvedal or somebody else

and double up on what he did this fight. They're going to do 1.5, you know, over a million paper views. Now, if he ran into the wrong guy and they kind of walked him into that situation, and they're walking him in knowing that like we have to have a plan when and if he gets knocked out because eventually he's going to lose. And so what's their backup plan? Because then the redeeming value isn't like, oh, there's an undefeated Cinderella story.

I just, I look at it like this. And people say that, you know, he should go and fight a real boxer and all the other stuff. He's only been fighting for a couple of years. Right. He's only been training. I've stayed with them in Big Bear when Shane, when Shane Mosley was training before BJ Flores became his four-time training. I trained with. with them for three, four days. The first thing when I saw him train out, like, this dude has a professional athlete's mentality. Yeah. Like, it wasn't no TikTok shit. It wasn't no, it was none of that going on. You know, it was, it was like, man, we, we're waking up at this time. We eat breakfast at this time. We're working out. It was structured. And so he has the mentality to get there.

So for anybody to say he should go and fight Conello or a Spencer or anybody, it's crazy. This professional boxes right now is 10 and 15. No. There's basically still fighting Scroves. to make their record better. This guy's actually going out and fighting. Now, I take Ben Asking off. That one was like, man, you knew that was man. I think Ben, honestly, and nothing against Ben, Ben is a great guy.

I think he was trying to get a paycheck and moving the hell on. Yeah, good for him, dude. If my back was fucked up, you know, I'm like, hey, dude, especially in the UFC where they don't take care of the way, you know, they're doing other leagues. And that's not saying a lot. And this is my thing, because Jake Paul is fighting for that reason, right? saying that Friday's not getting paid.

Jake Paul has to also understand that he was somebody big before he came to box. So these guys are fighting in the USC or they're fighting with lights out. They're trying to get their name there. And it's not the guys UFC don't want to pay them is how many tickets can you sell? What's your following look like? And can you sell pay reviews? Then you get paid. Right.

No, I mean like, and this is the one thing. We were going back and forth earlier. But when this started, I was like, man, this is a fucking joke. but in actuality, even though I don't think, and it's obvious, he's not like a high level professional boxer, I respect his mentality. That's the one thing that showed through is like, the guy has worked really hard at it, he's been fearless,

albeit the kind of some of the handpicking of the opponents, but I mean, his mentality has been impressive and his marketability has been just for guys in our age, I mean, we're all over 30. Like this is unfathomable when we were, in college packing, you know, apartments to watch fucking fights. Like, and that was

the Mayweather heyday. That was some of the best fights the last 20 years. And this feels like bigger somehow. By the way, this is just a start of it. This is, we haven't even touched what's going to happen here and I've been saying this for four years. And because, you know, someone who, I started

training in MMA back in like 2005, 2006, which he was a first one, him ran to guitar. And Tyrone, when Tyrone was first coming on the scene. We were all in the gym, Clay Matthews. There was a couple of guys in there,

but I was like one of the first football guys to kind of make that transition where I did it every all season. Now, what's going to happen here soon is we're going to see former athletes and former professional athletes, NFL guys, NBA guys. You start seeing it with Lamar Odom.

You're going to see it with former rugby, former hockey guys. And we got, you know, three former NFL guys in my league alone that's made that transition successful. So what I'm trying to do now is saying, you know what, you guys, I retired. I was 28 years old. I played eight years. I got injured and I, and I just wasn't the same after I had a couple injuries. And so the fight game is still

there. The problem is when I was coming out and I wanted to fight, the money wasn't there because these promoters and these companies didn't see the value in somebody having a name saying, you know, we're going to pay this guy, you know, half a million dollars plus. Right now, if you have a name and you can, and you can scrap, you're going to get paid. So who can fight that you know of, I mean, we all know guys that. nobody's heard of on our teams that we've seen scrap and we're like yeah that guy could but he wouldn't sell like who's the guy that you've seen fight that would sell uh from like one of our big four leagues um mercedes lewis i've trained with him he can go brian cushing yep um shit man

this is probably about 10 guys yeah uh you i don't know if you i've seen a video but tim duncan who's been doing multi-tie for the past like eight years oh man you know that's a scary side knocked out by Tim Duncan. I would surprise the fuck out of me. I'd be really confident and then he'd kick me in the neck and I'd be like, when did you learn that shit? And a bunch of guys train MMA now. So, I mean, maybe we'll see somebody from the NFL next. Who do you think is the next fight? You said Mastvidal. You said who else was it? I would go straight. I would go Mastvedo or Nadez. Yeah. That was it. Those would be the only two that will. And I see a lot of this, right? There's a lot of fighters, like actual real fighters have been doing,

it's been calling out Jake Paul. What the guy has to understand is there has to be some kind of a balance. You have to be a big enough name where people are going to pay. It's not just because there's a lot of great fighters that's not getting notoriety for whatever reason. Right. So you might be a great fighter, but why would Jake Paul fight you? He's looking for paydays. Right.

So the only payday he can get is now at this point is to fight Massadol or fight Nate Diaz. Right. Lights out. Talk to people about what you've built. Yeah, so I've been, like I said, I've been around this sport, man. It was kind of a way for me to let out my aggression and, you know, switch up to offseason and stuff. So I've been around up, trained with some of the best. In 2018, we launched Lifetime Extreme Fighting.

And we got hit by that pandemic where we got shut down for just like everybody else over a year. But we came out to gate and we launched a partnership. Now we're on football sports. So all of our fights, all of our, you know, content in the library, even all of our older fights on football sports now. And now we, all of our fights are live. So we show, uh, all in the country nationally, Canada, Spain. And we're, we're kind of slowly rolling out of the countries right now. Oh, that's awesome, man.

The nickname was that fighting related in when you got the nickname back before you did any of this, like lights out? Was that, where did that come from? I never asked this before. Yeah, I got it my sophomore year. I knocked out four kids in one game in high school. And, and after the, after the game, after the game, it has. had about 20 or 25 students come around up to me and said, man, you knock these guys,

you knock them kids lights out. And I said, yeah, you know what? Call me lights out. And you're like, that sounds good. It just, it stuck with me. I got to school on Monday and I'm walking in the class. Everybody's like, yeah, what's up? Lights? They called me lights. I said, oh, shit, this came. This became a thing. Now, you know, the thing is, it's like having a name lights out. It's like fucking ruck apart. Right. You got to, man, you got to go out. And, you got to me, come on, you can't be out there laying an egg and your nickname, like, Todd, you got to go punish some people, you know? And so the name just stuck with me.

And then college, when I got in University of Maryland, I remember E.J. Henderson, all these guys, Randy Starks, all the older guys got there. They said, man, we're not calling you, like, Tau. You're a freshman. And so I got in a game. We played Georgia Tech on ESPN night game, and I wasn't starting. And I was dropping in the flats in a wide receiver Watkins come running, trailing across the field.

and I'm dropping it in the flats. And I caught him, but like, by on the back, and I got up, and like I was flipping the light switch, and the crowd went crazy, right? No idea that it was going to be a thing. I got to the sideline.

My head coach, Robert Friedz, said, you do this shit again, you'll never play here. So I went from being high, excited, you know, up and happy. I just knocked this dude out on ESPN, all my boys and family and coaches and shit watching the game. And my head coach is leveled me.

I'm like, God, damn. Bridge, man. The Fringe didn't realize how much that would help recruiting at Maryland. He should have been playing chess, not checkers. He didn't see the vision. But, you know. I want to know personally, how hard was the American Ninja Warrior? Yes, because my son, Whalen, like, dude, my son, Waylon is obsessed with American Ninja Warrior.

He told his granddad that that's what he's going to be when he grows up. And I forgot you did that. Yeah. And it was terrible. They were like, the experience was fun, right? The experience was fun. So I think I was shooting. I was shooting someone shooting something else.

And they were going around the country, setting up courses like in Vegas and, you know, different parts of the country. The only course I had time in my schedule to do was a Denver course. So I said, you know what? Fuck it. I'll fly to Denver. I'll fly to Denver.

And I got there. And we're doing like these pre-video things or whatever, right? So mind you, leading up to it, I was doing, what do they call it, the training with, I can't think what the name of. CrossFit. CrossFit. I was doing CrossFit.

I was doing CrossFit, right? For about a month and a half, I dropped 15 pounds. You felt good. You're feeling good. I'm feeling great. You couldn't tell me shit, right? So I'm feeling great. And so I'm getting down that, drop 15 pounds.

I'm laying. I'm like, okay, I'm going to fly through this thing, right? And while I'm doing my interviews, I got off. And I heard somebody else interviews next to me. And they said, yeah, man, we just finished up Ninja School. And I was like, what? Ninja, I didn't even know that was a thing. Like, they said, they're ninja school for this shit.

And like, I was, at that point, for the first time, I was shook. I was so scared. I was like, man, I'm going to bond this thing, right? Yeah. I do the course and I'm going through it. I flew through the first three or four or something. I got to the trampoline and I jumped a trampoline. And because of my weight, I'm over 250.

The trampoline floored. It didn't get me to the ropes. I fell in the water. I fell in the water. You fell in the water. You fell in the boat. Yeah, I fell in it. I thought I was going to drown.

My leg was caught in the road. I said, man, I'm going to drown on national TV and everybody going to see me drown right here. And I say, that's it, man. No more that shit. Then they would say, and it was lights out for Sean Merriman. The whole thing was being a disaster, bro. Hey, Sean Merriman, Adam, the list of favorite Terps of all time, bro, coming on the show.

Appreciate that. And I hope you come back soon, dude. Hey, one thing. Chargers making the playoffs this year? Yes or no. 100%. and it went in the division. Ooh, I like that.

I love Justin Herbert. All right, Sean. Appreciate you, ma'am. All right, my man. Appreciate it. See you for sure. Thanks for coming on, dude. Hey, just a reminder here, we're trying to run a business.

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