Green Light with Chris Long - Stanford Steve! Cincy vs Jacksonville, QB Injuries, CFB Playoff & NFL Week 14 Best Bets

Episode Date: December 6, 2023

Stanford Steve! We start things off by talking about the many injuries across the NFL and the impact that has on the NFL's product - do backup quarterbacks performances negatively impact watching the ...NFL? We also recap the Bengals vs Jaguars Monday Night Football matchup and select four teams that would participate in an NFL playoff - college football committee style. We then give out our week 14 locks, the bets that will hit every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Take notes. (1:52) - QB Injuries in the NFL (19:20) - MNF Recap: Cincinnati Bengals Defeat Jacksonville Jaguars (36:43) - College Football: Selecting a 4-Team NFL Playoff, Florida State Missing Out on the Playoff and Expansion to 12 Teams (53:04) - NFL Week 14 Best Bets Want to win a chance to watch the NFL Conference Championships with Chris Long and the Green Light crew in Studio J? Enter below: MILLERLITE.COM/GREENLIGHTSWEEPS This podcast is brought to you by Cash App. With multiple tools for saving, spending, and sending, Cash App is the easy way to stay in control of your money. Cash App is a financial platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partner(s). Use the GameTime app for all your ticketing needs. Create an account and use code GREENLIGHT for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download the GameTime app today last minute tickets lowest price guaranteed. Make sure to check out Fax and the King every Wednesday on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaxAndTheKing Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪(202) 991-0723‬ Send any Talent Search submissions to: social@chalkmedia.com Include any video of your talents, takes and bits as well as a little bit about yourself. Love hearing from the Green Light fans. Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. https://paddleva.com/ Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b   Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42   Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/GreenLightTube1   Green Light with Chris Long, a production of Yote House Media.: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If I'm a college quarterback, you know, you know, Shador Sanders, who else is out there that's possibly going to come back to school? Why are you coming back? Quinn Ewers. Why? Go now. Watch these guys. These quarterback situations are brutal. And then you mentioned the idea of four or seven teams that are in if the playoffs ended today.
Starting point is 00:00:21 Like, give me my shot. I'll go take my shot. Welcome to the Green Light podcast. Thank you for stopping by. We're going to have a great show for you today. Stanford Steve comes through town. He's hanging out, and we're talking college football playoffs. We also have a fun exercise where we pick the top four playoff teams from the NFL.
Starting point is 00:00:47 If the NFL had a playoff in the regular season into today, we are going to pick the top four teams that would make that playoff, college football committee style. We also talk about the growing number of quarterback injuries across the NFL, especially after Trevor Lawrence went down on Monday Night Football. ball against the Bengals who had a quarterback injury of their own a couple weeks ago with Joe Burrow. Is it affecting the product that the NFL puts out? We talk about it. And stick around at the end of the show for our betting locks. You'll know exactly what to pick. After listening to Chris,
Starting point is 00:01:15 Macon and Steve, you won't want to miss that. Enjoy the entire show. And we'll see you on Friday. Steve, how long is this? I mean, it's not a trick question. You can just do it. No, for instance, do one for me. I would like to tell people that you just, got 33 inches on the nose. I got 33 inches on the nose earlier. I'm really good at this. Hold on a minute. I couldn't tell us a tape measure. Oh, that's two foot.
Starting point is 00:02:15 It's two foot one and a half inches. 21 inches. You were all. Okay, well, I got a little cocky. What was mine? Four inches. That was easy. Yours was four inches. He was close.
Starting point is 00:02:25 He said half a foot. Is that mean, like, is this a hint that like you're doing home improvement work at home and you just forgot to take your tape measure off your belt when you came in? A couple things this guy. This is one of our best bits, actually, Steve. Okay. Yeah, it's definitely one of the best bits. The other best bit that we have every time he walks in now
Starting point is 00:02:45 is he pours a glass of water from variable heights. Like, he'll take the water, and he'll go here, he'll go here, and he looks around to make sure everybody sees him doing his routine. I do do this. And it is fun. It's a crowd pleaser. Do your kids like it? I don't do it for the kids.
Starting point is 00:03:04 Yeah, actually you probably want to keep your house clean. That's why. You don't care about the place. No drops of water in his house. But in this studio, it's like Flash Mountain. I clean up after myself, too. Hey, guys, got back from Philly just a little bit ago. Wanted to shout out.
Starting point is 00:03:17 Boy, boy, boy, are his arms tired? Why? You just flew in. Yeah, I got it. I'm sorry, man. That's good. No, I'm sorry. I actually had the same pilot who two weeks ago asked me,
Starting point is 00:03:30 well, he made direct eye contact during the briefing when it came to no smoking, no vaping. this time Nolan is my witness you know like sometimes I got to sometimes yeah sometimes I got to get a bird up to Philly like it's a quick turnaround for me to even get up there do the whole thing so like you know
Starting point is 00:03:54 it's a short flight me and Nolan popped in there and the guy made direct eye contact during the briefing and that just doesn't happen a lot and I see him again on the tarmac this week and I'm like here we go and he gets into his thing and he actually stops because I'm well wondering how he's going to play it. And he's like, I know you wouldn't consider doing that,
Starting point is 00:04:13 but I just have to say it. And I just stopped the briefing. I was like, hold on a second. Do people really do that on these planes? You know, playing all incredulous? It's 2023. It's like, ashtray has been gone for 50 years. I was like, for fuck's sake, man.
Starting point is 00:04:27 Anyways, get on with it. And he finished the thing. Anyways, I got back from Philly. Can I just add, because I hate to do this, you know, being fortunate enough to fly with Scott. That's never brought up. brought up in our briefing. Well, it's not usually brought up in my briefings either.
Starting point is 00:04:44 I'm just saying it. I just made me, I was like, wow, 13 weeks. You know, that day. I don't know. Maybe he's a fan of the podcast. Maybe he's friends with Big Dom or has heard the Big Dom story. Maybe he's heard the Big Dom story, which, hey, God. How about Big Dom?
Starting point is 00:04:58 Big Dom, bro. Big Star. Listen, I had my foundation event last night in Philly. Shout out to our Chris Long Foundation team. It was the team dinner. It was me and Connor Bar when we did. do this thing where we, it's the first year we're doing it, but we get people together. We kind of recreate a team dinner without making the rookie pay the $20,000 tab.
Starting point is 00:05:18 The people at the dinner, they eat for free. It's nice. And then hopefully they give you money later. So I invited some guys. You know, after the Eagles lose, I'm not going to get my buddies to come down. It's just nobody wants to go out in public. I didn't want to go to Whole Foods after games like that, let alone a charity dinner. but there were some celebrities who I had you know extended invites to one of them
Starting point is 00:05:40 Howard Askin who if you're a Philly guy you know Howard I call him genius love Howard you know Brent Selleck came AJ Philly came Carl Nassib was there we had you know Harold Harald Carmichael Mike Quick like two of my freaking heroes in that building yeah like total legends so in Philly they show up but the one guy I wasn't sure whether or not he was going to show up was going to be big dumb. In fact, I was pretty sure he wasn't going to show up because he's got to keep a low profile after last night or a couple nights ago.
Starting point is 00:06:12 Dude, halfway through the event, it was like everybody's head turned, and they looked like through all the quote-unquote celebrities standing at the front of the room and a guy in a sweatsuit walks in, and it's big dumb in uniform. He shows up, just slowly paces down that hall of State 48, and it was like the mayor was in the building.
Starting point is 00:06:33 There were people running towards us, and we were like, yeah, I'll do a picture. And it was like, no, it's for Dom, dude. He's the most popular guy in the fucking city right now. And he's just doing his job. Maybe a little bit more than his job. But I wanted to show some love to Big Don for coming out and supporting my event. But I'm back here. Yeah, I'm back here.
Starting point is 00:06:54 My arms are tired making. And so is my brain, because I've been thinking about this all day. And we're going to talk about Monday night football. but I got my first 15 for you here and it kind of sparked last night Steve I'm in Philly so we finished the event it's 10 o'clock I go back up to the hotel and I'm intending on going to bed
Starting point is 00:07:14 thinking the Jags are going to have this in the bag or something and I can steal like a fourth quarter of sleep which you never can do and I'm in the lobby and I'm watching the phone horizontally and my foundation team sitting there was some gals that don't really care about football that much I mean you know and I'm trying I'm gawking at what's going on on the fucking,
Starting point is 00:07:35 this is before Trevor Lawrence gets hurt, and I'm gawking at the product on the field, and the fact that I'm watching it on my phone, you get this backup quarterback in the Jags on a Monday night. I'm like, ladies, the line is 10 points. I'm like, this just isn't supposed to happen. It's every fucking time there's a game, and they're looking to me like, uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:07:55 And I'm like, you don't understand. This product is bulletproof. It's incredible. And I'm just, I'm sitting there, and I'm having trouble explaining it, and then another QB goes down. And now we're sitting there, we've got four of seven AFC quarterbacks,
Starting point is 00:08:09 if the playoffs started today, that are out, dude. And it's wild, because you're not even talking about the other teams. We're not talking about, you know, Rogers. We're not talking about Burrow because he wouldn't be in right now. We're not talking about Kirk Cousins, Richardson. And, you know, like, I would like to chalk it up to scrambling QBs, maybe more passing attempts, but it's only. like these guys are getting hurt in any particular way. It's not like the league could do more to protect
Starting point is 00:08:37 them. Even with all the crazy shit they've done, this doesn't fall in the league, not giving them enough protection. The scoring is down. Unders are up, right? Primetime unders, other than last night, took an absolute bath on that. But the fucking unders are up. The red zone's terrible. Primetime games. They sign a lifetime deal with Zach Wilson unknowingly to play in primetime. So they're missing on a lot of key points here. And the officiating is terrible. The other day, the officiating was terrible. Both sides, Kansas City, Green Bay.
Starting point is 00:09:10 So, like, you think maybe we can overcome that because we've got gambling now, and maybe that's why the NFL is so damn viable is gambling. But if gambling is viable and guys are getting suspended for gambling, and the bad calls continue, then you get these conspiracy people who think, like, yeah, the refs have something on the game or they affect the outcome for Vegas. So I just think it's incredible that we're sitting here watching this product like nothing's going on. And there is a lot going on. If you look at the top 10 markets, TV markets, Steve.
Starting point is 00:09:42 And I don't know, you probably already realize this when you look at it. But in New York, you've got DeVito, you've got Sleepy Tim Boyle or whoever's Simeon. In fucking L.A., you've got the Rams and Chargers. Not very good. Chicago in the basement. Ritter is your quarterback in Atlanta. and in Boston, it's a two-win team. On top of that, you do have Houston with a new quarterback,
Starting point is 00:10:05 one of the top 10 markets. The 4-5-6, I think, what saves them. It's Philly, Dallas, and San Fran. And maybe if those brands or those markets are rolling, you're okay. And also Green Bay looks like it's in good hands. But the fucking Eagles game was the top-rated game in 25 years the other day.
Starting point is 00:10:23 And I'm sitting in the lobby, and I'm gawking at a Monday night football game between the Jags and the Bengals. it meant nothing before Trevor Warren's got hurt. And so, like, I'm just wondering, am I supposed to be marveling at this guys, their ability to overcome this stuff? Or should we worry about the sustainability of this product? Because it's real.
Starting point is 00:10:45 It's a real problem. I honestly do think it's bulletproof. I really do. When you come down to it, it's an awesome point by you. Being there, you know, I'm biased because I'm there. Like, you know, you walk in. I'm one of the first. people in the stadium to tape my early show.
Starting point is 00:11:02 So I'm there at 3 o'clock through a one in the morning at these stadiums when we go. And to see that last night. And I'm also biased because I have friends and connections on the Bengals. I have friends and connection on the Jacks. So like I was super fired up because I got to see guys and college teammates and roommates that I hadn't seen in a long time. And then the schedule comes out at the beginning of the year. I'm like, that's like a possible AFC pre.
Starting point is 00:11:29 championship game. And then Burrell goes down and then you see what Jake Browning looks like. I know Jake Browning from watching and play college, like not the most wow factor guy. You know, so then you come in and then probably my first time seeing Trevor since
Starting point is 00:11:46 college and to see him come out and warm up and then you see the stadium coming up. Like there are, I can't believe how many bars there are on the level when you walk into that Jacksonville Stadium. It's, it's, like not even healthy how many bars there are. But anyway, going back to your point, I'm sure we'll talk more about Jacksonville. Well, the pool to the city. It just keeps churning, Chris. Like, they don't wait for anyone.
Starting point is 00:12:10 You know, we just got flex. We're going to get Eagles at Seahawks for a Monday night game. There's different ways they keep fine-tuning things where it's always on the top of the cusp. I mean, look what they're doing to Christmas. You know, they started doing a Christmas Day last year. They have this audacity that is just, it's like no other. You know, and I, the Christmas Day thing, you know, it's been basketball, NBA for my whole life. And then NFL just decides that. It's ours now. That's, yeah, see you.
Starting point is 00:12:43 We're going to come in and we'll throw whatever amount of games we want. Yeah. But looking forward to it, you have the playoffs, you know, I'm not a fan of this many teams getting in the playoffs, but we talked about this a couple weeks ago. what's it going to do? It's going to get another chance of a Jacksonville, a Cincinnati, where if you do lose your quarterback, you do have roster strong enough to maybe sneak in and get yourself a home game if you can win a first round game. Like it's, it's so rare and in their own tier that, you know, everybody wants to comp things to it,
Starting point is 00:13:21 right? There's no cop. They're their own, they're their own animal. I don't think. My other issue off of this is if I'm a college quarterback, you know, you know, Shador Sanders, who else is out there that's possibly going to come back to school? Why are you coming back? Quinn Ewers. Why? Go now.
Starting point is 00:13:45 Watch these guys. These quarterback situations are brutal. And then you mentioned the idea of four or seven teams that are in if the playoffs ended today. Like, give me my shot. I'll go take my shot. I don't know, Steve, I kind of wonder to make him, you've been watching ball your whole life, but watching ball.
Starting point is 00:14:01 We're fans of the game. Like, we know what it feels like to watch Joe Webb start a game in the season. And we've talked about how devastating it would be to have your main guy down for the TV part of it. And, you know, for the fans, not just the teams. I don't know if in today's day and age, and it kind of leads into talking about the Bengals,
Starting point is 00:14:22 we'll get there. But I feel like if you've got, a decisive backup quarterback. You have playmakers and you have a roster that's built for success, you know, which you need anyways with a franchise quarterback. But if you've got that backup who knows where to go with the football, NFL offenses now are more paint by numbers. You know what I mean? Like, it's, it's, there's a little less artistry. I mean, there's more in the play extension and that sort of thing. But these schemes are crazy. So if you've got a guy who has it down, and you have a nice scheme,
Starting point is 00:14:58 and you just have a guy that doesn't need a big arm that can, you know, just dink and dunk you to death mix in a shot like Browning last night just to let you know we can do it because the whole game changed after that. You can survive. And I'm not saying it's like, but if we're going this way and quarterbacks are all slinging the ball 40 times a game,
Starting point is 00:15:17 you're going to have more injuries, you're going to have more backup quarterbacks playing. The NFL has to figure out how to do that, and maybe the natural progression of things is going to do that anyway. because I've seen backup quarterbacks win big spots. I've seen, I was on a team with Nick Foles. If I'm the Bengals, I'm selling that dream to that team because honestly, they're not that dissimilar.
Starting point is 00:15:37 I mean, that's my point is like maybe they can overcome it because the offenses have changed to where backups can thrive. Yeah, I'm not going to let me clear my throat. You know what I'm saying there, Steve. You got a frog. I'm not saying anything revelatory. I don't think that we should downplay, though, the things like fantasy football and gambling and that it's one game a week.
Starting point is 00:16:02 Every game is important. They're only 17 of them. And yet you're monopolizing the week with Monday night, Thursday night, Sunday night, Sunday night. Like Steve said, Christmas Day, now Black Friday. The draft is a traveling circus. People go to the combine for crying out like that. And there's parity.
Starting point is 00:16:17 There's a salary cap. And social media. You open up Twitter and everybody's going off about Jake Snake. And even the bad stories are good stories. Because like, because of social media, because people love to watch a burning car. You know, like the Jets, although it's terrible objectively, and, you know, nobody wants to see those games in primetime, there is a factor of like with all the access and information we had. Back when back in the 90s, when there was a 2 and 13 team, it was just a fucking number on a paper.
Starting point is 00:16:50 And you weren't going to see that game. Now it's like, we can fucking make fun of this team all week. There's quotes, there's access, there's memes, dude. What my dad would have done with memes is a kid growing up, watching the Patriots pre-Tom Brady and pre, you know, all that would have been. But now, yeah, there's even something when Joe Flacco enters the building, week 11 or 12 or 13, to start against the Rams, and he's wearing a Browns uniform.
Starting point is 00:17:17 Like these wacky stories that really don't equate to good football, they're storylines. And you pull your phone out of your pocket, you start to talk yourself into a plus 16 every now and again. No question. It's fun. Every now and again. And these productions, these TV productions are awesome. The cameras are great.
Starting point is 00:17:34 The announcers are great. I mean, it's a very high quality viewing experience in large part because we're doing it from our couches. But you hit on parody, dude. I think parity is the thing that they don't mind. That's the flip side of the coin of having like truly elite teams, which we only have maybe one of in the NFL right now, but we're riding the wave week to week. It could be another team. Like there was a point where we thought it was just the Ravens
Starting point is 00:17:58 or just the Eagles or, you know, so it's going to change. But the parity is the constant right now, and I think that's a good thing for the NFL. Lots of bad teams, too. I think a hidden factor is with coaches getting shorter leashes in today's NFL, owners like David Tepper make it really hard for a team to turn the corner because the floor is so low. When you're cycling through more coaches,
Starting point is 00:18:23 are cycling through more bad coaches, shorter stints, less time to actually implement a culture. Mike Tomlin and the Steelers, yeah, they haven't been a 13-win team every year, and people make fun of the 9-and-8 thing or the 8-and-8 thing being right above 500. But the floor is so high because they have a program. You know, they have a way of doing things. And so you don't have those programs anymore in the NFL. And so more teams are like one-time head coach factories. And you're right.
Starting point is 00:18:51 We like the bad stories, too. The controversies are good. The bad officiating is good. Fucking sells, dude. So anyways, I'm not going anywhere. I'll be back in the Chow line Thursday night for Patriots Steelers. I cannot wait, dude. I cannot wait.
Starting point is 00:19:05 Nothing better than that on Thursday night. And you could tell me it means nothing. It means everything. And I can make it mean even more. That's the beauty of being an NFL fan right now. Okay. So talking about that game last night, Steve, do you think the Bengals can be like
Starting point is 00:19:21 maybe not the Eagles in 2017. Yeah. But that's a dream you can sell to that group. I don't know you can sell it to Jacksonville. Yeah, no, it's talking with people around there. They were confident. They felt a lot better about Browning going in the last night than they did the week before. I think a lot of that had to do with, you know, the past rush of Pittsburgh compared to what Jacksonville brings to the table.
Starting point is 00:19:47 but when you every person there brings up the culture in the locker room and I think it's something that Zach Taylor I think it's totally overlooked because of his demeanor and what he is. He's not this rah-rah, you know, Seriani guy. He's not loud in your face. But man, that's a tight, tight-knit group. They lost Cameron Britt, you know, Friday in practice. And when you look at it, you talk about the offensive systems. I don't think that often that Zach Taylor gets enough credit because
Starting point is 00:20:17 You talked about losing quarterbacks, and everybody obviously has a comment, whether it's a personal foul on a head of a quarterback, and, you know, we get, you know, social media lights up. Is this rough in the past, or if not? The way the rules are now, it's like watching Jamar Chase in person, it's almost impossible to stop him. Yeah. And how creative Cincinnati is in moving him around and, you know, running that deep motion now with him. And then, you know, the dolphins starting that, you know, that, you know, that. you know, the trip stack where you changed the coverage because, you know, the inside receiver off the line motions to become the outside,
Starting point is 00:20:54 and that's how you see Tyreek get loose. And they started doing that with Chase last night. I just, I do feel, and I think Cincinnati, I thought Zach said it after the game, too. You know, they talked about the gameplay coming in. You know, you got his feet on the ground. You know, he went 10 for his first 10 with all those throws, you know, coming close to the line of scrimmage, and then you opened it up because you had confidence in him. And Zach Taylor said,
Starting point is 00:21:17 No, that's not why. He's like, we need that time to see what the defense is going to do. And I just thought it was super smart. Like, it's just reactionary. They have all these bullets in the gun for a quarterback, even if it's a backup, to attack the defense. And it was just really, really cool to see because they answer to, you know, Jacksonville comes out. They take the lead. They get the bonehead double pass turnover.
Starting point is 00:21:40 And that place is ready to pop up seven. And since that he comes out, hits a deep ball to chase, and it's game on from there. So it was super impressive. I really like Anirumo and what that defense does, man. They don't have superstars, but man, they got solid guys all over. And I mentioned the injury in the secondary. Another guy's come in. The kid battle I think is going to be a phenomenal player from Alabama.
Starting point is 00:22:04 He played a ton of snaps. They just do a good job. They don't bring pressure. They're hot. What are they? Top five on third down pressures, I think Troy said. But not when you look at overall pressures. They're below, you know, lower tier in the league.
Starting point is 00:22:17 But they are super, super effective. And, you know, as good as Trevor is, he still was a little indecisive when you're watching in person. And I think that's a tribute to what Anirumo does with that defense. And you just said it. Taylor, sometimes we heap on him beginning of the season especially, right, when we're like, what are they doing? And earlier this year, like, you know, we're questioning the scheme when obviously Joe's
Starting point is 00:22:43 hurt and it limits what they can do. but it's another guy who's been there a while, and people have thrown rocks at them every year, and some people ask for his job at times. And same thing with McDermott in Buffalo. Now, I think McDermott has cost them at times. And, yeah, like you'd like a coach that might have a higher ceiling from like an offensive standpoint.
Starting point is 00:23:04 But they're two guys with programs, and the floors on those programs are high. And, you know, even with a backup end, these teams know who they are and what they need to do in these situations. So hats off to him. And for Trevor, for a guy that's had a bunch of consecutive starts, I feel like he's also been hurt a lot. And he's always dealing with something.
Starting point is 00:23:28 And you feel for him, it means a lot to him. You could tell I don't think he realized how bad a high ankle sprain hurts last night. I mean, I think part of it was like thinking, damn, I just broke my leg. I don't know. Maybe he's had a high ankle before. But as soon as he went down, you knew it was a problem. And for them, as I mentioned, even though it's a quick passing game and you think, you know, that that should bode well for somebody like C.J. Bethard or a backup, I just don't see it. Not with a with the run game the way it is. And, you know, the defense, man, defense doesn't do them any favors right now. You have played that game against, I think a couple weeks ago maybe against Houston and and Trayvon chipped in and Josh Allen was spectacular. You want to praise that group, but they're not consistent.
Starting point is 00:24:19 No, and to compound things, you know, we literally are going out to the field. And so we lose about, I don't know, two minutes or three minutes from our walk, from our truck to the field to get set up for postgame. And, you know, Jacksonville is kind of a weird thing where they move their facility, but they still have offices. There's a hallway, and they're just just one hallway for us to come down. But I didn't know this, but that's the medical tunnel, too. So literally, I don't know what's going on for three plays.
Starting point is 00:24:49 And then I'm coming down and boom, there's Trevor Lawrence getting carried off. You saw him up close? Were you in that video? And I were right there in the tunnel. And I'm like, oh, man, what the hell just happened? And like he couldn't put pressure on there. And again, to you're saying, he didn't realize what happened. I mean, it's Walker Little, 300 pound plus with a foot on you.
Starting point is 00:25:10 Yeah. Like, you don't know. When you get stepped on or you get kicked, like you don't know initially because that, the pain is so huge off the get. But off of that, they didn't put Walker Little back in the game. They benched them. Right. And I just look at that idea as, you know, you lose your quarterback,
Starting point is 00:25:29 but then also what are we doing up front? Yeah. I mean, Petherd almost gave the way, gave the game away with the fumble on his first snap. But he knew exactly where to ball, go with the ball. And, you know, the holding call was unfortunate. Did you think it was a hold? No, no, I thought it was borderline. Of course, I was good acting.
Starting point is 00:25:51 I was also on the Jags. So, yeah, and so. Steve, did you see any golf carts in those tunnels in Jacksonville? No, they don't allow those in there. Yeah, because why are we doing that? A guy can't walk. Literally couldn't walk. But he also strikes me as a type of guy that's like, I'm going to walk off this field.
Starting point is 00:26:09 But he's not. So you're not giving him credit for that. And also, when you turn your ankle like that, because I've had a high ankle, it's not like you land in basketball and you roll your ankle sideways. You're like, what just happened to my leg? It's got to turn a certain kind of way. Does it need a new name? A high boy is what we called it back in there, or a low damn high. We called it a low damn high because, you know, you'd come in there and they'd be like, yeah, it's just a low ankle sprain.
Starting point is 00:26:37 And you're like, I can't walk. Look. Look. All right. So it does need a different name. It needs to be renamed, rebranded, the ankle sprain. Yeah. Because I can walk or I can step off the curb, sprain an ankle.
Starting point is 00:26:52 Yeah, it's hard to get a high ankle sprain like as a civilian out there. You hear Liz Frank injury and you're like, oh, my God. Yeah. That's a real deal. Well, Liz Frank was a 19th century gynecologist. Did you know that? Yeah, I knew that. Okay, I heard that.
Starting point is 00:27:06 No, I've heard that. Yeah. He was known for taking out rectums. Really? I didn't know that. Look it up. Yeah. He lived in the 18th and the 19th century, so I don't know if we call him an 18th century
Starting point is 00:27:16 gynecologist or a 19th century gynecologist. Well, that's irrelevant. I thought it was a woman. It's interesting. Yeah, Liz Frank, man. No, it's a man. Also interesting. It's a man.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Yeah, if you're going to... It's kind of a double whammy there. If you're like... Take your helmet off, slam it on the ground, and then it carried off, you can't then hear sprained ankle. You need to hear something cool like Liz Frank. Yes. Or making Gunter.
Starting point is 00:27:39 Yeah. Pistorius. Something. Pistorius. We call it a Pistorius, who, by the way, he might be getting out soon. Really? Yeah. Wow.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Yeah. Yeah. He's on the last leg of his parole. So, anyways, I just want to talk about the AFC playoff race because things are different now. Yeah. You know, it's just fucking different. I don't know. Like, every week I think I have this thing down and some injury.
Starting point is 00:28:05 Take a shot in the dark. Well, I mean, you got the jack. First off, what you've got to figure out is the AFC South. Shot in the dark. Yeah. Huh? You got it? No.
Starting point is 00:28:15 Nobody else got it? No. Shot in the dark. Stories. Did he shoot? Yeah, he shot. Oh. And I think killed his...
Starting point is 00:28:24 No, I know he killed. I thought it was some other kind of way. You get it now, God boy? Thanks. Yeah. Yeah, no. Not for her. Not for anyone.
Starting point is 00:28:34 Especially the editor of this show. Okay. That's tough. I almost held it for Thursday. Yeah, you're right. You're right. So looking at the playoff race, I think you have to start by looking at the AFC South and saying, who do you think wins this thing?
Starting point is 00:28:48 And the Jags, I think they're going to miss like a month of Trevor Lawrence. I could see him coming back. He didn't have to get the tightrope surgery. That's what would happen to Kenny Pickett. And so Kenny, when he had that at Pitt, he was out for a month. So I kind of look at that as a baseline. I think, you know, knowing Trevor, he's going to try to get back before that. but his first game could be
Starting point is 00:29:11 you know that Baltimore game and before then they've got the Browns this coming weekend monumental game for them Ravens which you're like God I hope they look like shit this weekend you know with no Mark Andrews for the second time you got the bucks you get the Panthers and Titans so you got to feel like if you can
Starting point is 00:29:30 if you can split these two games here I still feel like you can win the division you know I believe in Doug you got to be too we're talking this backup quarterback situation. Who's the guy who fucking took us to Super Bowl with Nick Foles? Douggy P. And Troy was right.
Starting point is 00:29:47 He said, Bethard looks mighty loose out there. He did. He's comfortable. And they didn't have another guy suited up. Yeah. And I've always liked Beatherd, but, you know, as a backup quarterback. But look at all these teams. They're playing a bunch of backups. Texans, they got at the Jets, at the Titans versus the Browns, versus the Titans, and at the Colts.
Starting point is 00:30:06 There's five teams. They don't have the quarterbacks. the season with. So you got to feel good about the Texans chances and the Colts, same thing, at Bengals, Steelers, Falcons, Raiders, Texans. That's a lot of games you can win there. So I don't know how to call this thing. I really don't. I don't know if you guys have a lien. But I think it's truly one of the more consequential things. Because if you look at going to Jacksonville to try to win a playoff game against Trevor Lawrence, that's different than going to Indy to try to win a playoff game against the Colts. And for one of these wildcard teams, it's going to matter. Let me answer a different question. Yeah. If you figure it's Miami, Baltimore,
Starting point is 00:30:46 in Kansas City, you got Jacksonville and Houston. Who would you like to see with those last two spots? I would love for Buffalo to find their way in there. It's going to be tough. Probably have to win four out of five. Might have to start this week in Kansas City, but I would like to see that offense more than I would like to see, say, the Cleveland Brown. I could see Buffalo beating Dallas, right? They played Dallas. next week. I think they could lose to Kansas City, beat Dallas, and then from there on out, it's like it's two cupcakes and the dolphins. I mean, who you, you throttle many moons ago with many more players on the field on defense especially. But, you know, like, I think they could be in
Starting point is 00:31:24 there. I still, I don't want to sell Pittsburgh. Yeah. You know, because I think, I really do think they're going to find a way to win tomorrow. I think they'll find a way. And you could, you could be honest, too. We're not playing Thursday Night Time Machine right now. Well, I think they will. I think they're going to find a way to win. You know, and then they play the Colts. That's a big one. You get the Bengals again. And, you know, you said it.
Starting point is 00:31:45 It's different, you know, Browning against Jacksonville's defense with no pass rush and those guys. So at some point you get Kenny back and I thought they looked good before he got hurt. So it's wide open, man. I don't know how to call it, but this AFC playoff race, looking at the percentages, Matt, what are some of the interesting numbers you saw from New York Times.com? I just think how good a chance to call. have to make the playoffs, it puts them about a two-thirds chance.
Starting point is 00:32:10 And if you look ahead, the Colts really control their own destiny a lot, playing teams that they need to get through, especially the last game of the season against the Texans. So all three teams from the AFC South could get in. Yeah. And there's also a world where in two weeks, the Colts are leading the division, right? Or, you know, I mean. Yeah. So it's crazy what could happen at the end of this season.
Starting point is 00:32:32 Lame stream liberal podcast. Why? Surprise. Oh, the New York Times. Yeah, we should get the bright. part numbers. Jets, 98% chance. Is Mason Rudolph starting
Starting point is 00:32:48 for the Steelers? If so, Steve's just staring at the monitor. Okay, and we didn't even mention what Jackson really lost Christian Kirk, so it's bad news. Top of all that, going into last night, they controlled their own destiny for home field. Yeah, it was all good just a week ago.
Starting point is 00:33:07 I mean, the whole thing. When I put in that over 10 and a half season win total on the Jags. Yeah, exactly. I have that one too. It was that the dolphins are now a considerable favorite to get the round one by, according to this projection. And the projection, here's what's interesting about the- Worst one seat ever?
Starting point is 00:33:24 No. No. Listen, here's how I feel about the Finns. They're scary. They're potentially the best team in the league. But it's like the conversation I had with my guy, you know, T. Brown or whatever his name is on X.com. I DM with this Dolphins fan.
Starting point is 00:33:41 And it's turned into like a friendship. Because, you know, the guy, he knows ball, but these Dolphins fans, they're under a spell. It's like, hey, buddy, I got to see you beat a good team. And they're going to have that opportunity. If they get the one seed, they're going to be the odds-on favorite to come out.
Starting point is 00:33:56 Because they play really well at home. And the teams they play at the end of the season, the Bills, the Cowboys, the Ravens, I think, are three of the teams they play at the end of the year. Yep, they're going to Titans and Jets, Cupcake, Cupcake. We're going to be talking about how great they are. This is what happens every time there's a spell in good teams they play. Whoa, holy shit, you know, and then we play these teams.
Starting point is 00:34:15 So if they can beat these teams, they are the most dangerous team in the AFC. But I still believe the Chiefs, because I think they've got a good chance this weekend. I think the next week, you know, they got the Patriots, at the Patriots, then the Raiders, the Bengals, and at the Chargers. So if they win this weekend, they're going to have the tie break over Baltimore, I believe, because of conference record. That's one thing is Baltimore's losses have come in conference. You know, the chiefs have lost the Eagles, the Lions, another NFC team and one AFC team. Green Bay.
Starting point is 00:34:52 Green Bay, obviously. How could I forget? That's where this fucking, that's why I'm Chase Long right now, along with last night. At least you get to bet the NBA in season tournament. I don't know that I'm going to do that, Matt. I was texting Matt for NBA winners and shit. It's desperate right now. Oh, you are Chase Long.
Starting point is 00:35:08 Yeah, I'm Chase Long big time right now. New week. Come on. So, yeah, I mean, if you look at the AFC, it's all about matchups. It really is. And I can't wait for these playoffs, even with the backups. Because I think some of these things with backups are still pretty formidable. You know, Colts being won. You know who doesn't have a backup?
Starting point is 00:35:30 Who? Denver. Exactly. And they're, they're 21%, but also like, you know, there were 20. We talked about how big the Houston game was. They were going to plummet mathematically if they lost that game. But looking around the league right now at Jacksonville and some of these other teams, not that Jacksonville, they're ever going to leapfrog them,
Starting point is 00:35:50 but, you know, everything just seems a little bit more attainable. I got Denver in. This podcast is brought to you by Cash App, the all-in-one app for spending, sending, and setting easy-to-track savings goals, With multiple tools for saving, spending, and sending, Cash App is an all-on-one way to stay in control of your money. Whether I need to send money to my pumpkin grower,
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Starting point is 00:37:12 And by the way, this isn't supposed to take long. It really shouldn't. I mean, I ran these numbers last night. You know, I'm just one committee member, but it took me two and a half minutes. It really comes up. San Francisco won. Steve, do you object? No.
Starting point is 00:37:27 Okay. Who's the two seat? Philly. Philly. They own the head-to-head over Kansas City, if Kansas City's included. they might own the head-to-head now. This week's game is huge for Philly when it comes to the playoff race.
Starting point is 00:37:42 I'm okay with Philly at two, as long as we're including Miami and Baltimore at 3 and 4. Wow, dude. This is where the committee is going to have a hard time. This is easy. You've got to have quality wins, man. We saw what the committee just did.
Starting point is 00:37:55 I'm putting Dallas 3. Whoa. I'm putting Dallas 3. Or 4. But at 3, I can't have the Miami Dolphins. They have no quality wins. wins. Miami's out.
Starting point is 00:38:07 All they do is score. Okay. And they stop you from scoring. No, they don't stop you from scoring all the time, but then when they play the good teams, they don't score. Zavian, Jalen?
Starting point is 00:38:15 It'd be bad for the playoff if they get in, and you know, you're bringing them in on account of their scoring. That might not show up to dance. Okay, all right. Let's say the Ravens three. I got Ravens three. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:26 So we're really just talking about one spot. I've said Miami. You said Dallas, Steve. I, California, Kansas City, before. Yeah. Kansas City beat Miami in a,
Starting point is 00:38:35 in a real neutral site over in Germany. Kansas City 4. But what about Dallas? Same as Miami. No quality wins. No quality wins. They beat Seattle. How many quality wins does Kansas City have? I'm just being John Swofford or something.
Starting point is 00:38:52 I like this. That's good. How many quality wins is Kansas City have? Miami, the one team we're saying has no quality wins. Dallas got the hard-charging L.A. Rams by 23 points. Jags with Trevor Lawrence? Since nobody knows who you vote for, I'll vote for Kansas City. And I'm going to vote for Dallas.
Starting point is 00:39:20 Kansas City will be in with y'all's to vote. So damn, Dallas gets snubbed. Fuck, is Micah going to take us to task? Dallas and Miami and the whatever the hell, Georgia and Florida State are playing. Yeah, like the Fierce Bowl or something. Orange ball. So anyways, let's get to the college football playoff, dude, because there's a lot of people crying. There's a lot of tears. Flood Watch, Danny Connell and Booger's tears. Booger. Here's my question. What did Booger do? No, it's bugger. You know, but it's travesty for the sport. I know, but here's the thing. Here's the question I'll ask you is, have you heard anybody? I'm talking about a neutral fan of college football that's upset Florida State's not in. I mean, I'm sure there's some people.
Starting point is 00:40:09 Casuals, yeah. By and large, though, it's the Florida State people, right? I haven't really been plugged into this. No, it's more than I thought that are. Really? Yeah. Yeah. So what's the point?
Starting point is 00:40:20 You know, like, what's the... They think 13 and 0 undefeated conference champ should be in, no matter what. And what I'll say is for 10 years since we had the playoff, this is what it was supposed to be. four spots, five conferences. Somebody was going to get left out and be hurt. And we've just not had enough qualified teams during this run. And now we do.
Starting point is 00:40:51 And we did. And then when you have more than enough qualifying teams for the four spots, you rank them. And that's what happened. Dude, I have no problem with this. I feel bad for the four state guys. So do I. I do.
Starting point is 00:41:06 Like, football is not fair all the time. It's just not. No. You know, to the people, because I got on Eisen on Monday, and it was funny, you guys couldn't hear me, couldn't hear Rich. But the guys in the back, Nolan being a Philly guy, his ears perked up because Eisen, he asked me the question, and obviously he thought he had an ace in the hole, which is that, you know, Philly, when we won the Super Bowl, what would have happened to us?
Starting point is 00:41:31 Well, the difference is, of course, it's a lot easier to standardize. strength of schedule in general in the in the NFL so that's one but the most important thing is we had three four games to play with Nick foals to show that we were still kind of the same team we went to New York we scored 31 points we won the low scoring game against Vegas he finished the game in L.A. in a shootout you know against the Rams in a big game you just can't make that comp because it's intellectually dishonest anyways because what you're saying is that Florida State has a chance to win the national championship. It's not like these two things are happening in a vacuum, and you're like, oh, Eagles, 2017, Florida State,
Starting point is 00:42:16 2003. We know what happened to the Eagles. So what you're telling me is Florida State can do that. I don't see it. And Florida State was on the other side of this in 1993. They were 11 and 1. Notre Dame was 11.1. And West Virginia was 11 and O going into that, into that, uh, celebrity.
Starting point is 00:42:35 election and they selected Florida State ahead of both another. I'd like to see their NOL 69's timeline back then. My only gripe is that if you think Georgia, Ohio State, Oregon would drill this FSU team, and I think those teams would, drop them to eight. We don't need to give them five for a participation. If you're going to be honest about it, drop them to eight because that Louisville game was a hard watch. Yeah, it was a tough watch. It's a really tough watch.
Starting point is 00:43:07 And, you know, same thing could be said. It's kind of irrelevant, but not to SMU. You know, Liberty slides into the top six, gets that bull spot. Yeah, that's a real. That's an inconsistency, right? SMU played Power 5 programs out at conference and Liberty didn't. Yeah, they held the strength of schedule against those teams from that conference, but then not Liberty this year.
Starting point is 00:43:31 Now, when it comes to those four teams, no matter what, I think this is it. you can't lose an argument. It's a really fun argument, right? Because everybody's really passionate about it. Even the people like me who are casual, I have an opinion and I don't feel wrong. No one's wrong about this because there's no criteria. Correct.
Starting point is 00:43:50 It's an opinion. Whatever you have, it's not a fact. It's an opinion. And, you know, when it comes to opinions, what I do is I watch the tape. You know, like there's no criteria to say, as Steve put it, this has never been a perfect process. We haven't had a situation like this since probably the first playoff, right, with TCU, where there's controversy.
Starting point is 00:44:12 We're lucky we've gotten to this point, and it's a good problem to have because this would be the perfect year for the 12th team playoff, dude. Yep. Look at this 12 team playoff, man. I mean, I don't know if you can pull it up, but I was looking at some of the matchups. We haven't had a playoff where there isn't a blowout in the first round. I can't spot many at all in this 12 team playoff. So when this happens, I think people are going to be happy. And hopefully the parody in college football, relatively speaking, continues.
Starting point is 00:44:44 And it's not just like, hey, there's one team from the SEC or Clemson from the Deshaun era or the Trevor era. And, you know, we can actually get this playoff to where I don't know what happens. Who wins this playoff, Dave? How do you see this 12-team playoff going if they had rolled this year? With those four spread out Is there a double-digit line in here? Liberty and FSU possibly? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:15 In Alabama, the Liberty FSU winner. Yeah, Liberty. So you have a little bit of a mess up there up top, but otherwise I don't see single digits, Missouri, Oregon, Ole Miss and Georgia, I don't know. It was double digits the last time. Yeah, it was double digits. it'd probably be double digits again.
Starting point is 00:45:33 But you get some good ball games that you wouldn't get otherwise, is all I'm saying. In the final four, you wouldn't get any blowouts other than Bama, possibly. Which we should have this year. Yeah, we're going to have it anyways. Can't we're not. I get all that. But when you look at these matchups, what we have for New Year's Day, it is spectacular. So what do you think?
Starting point is 00:45:56 First read. First read, I wonder about. Michigan. And I asked the question, is Michigan better than they were last year? Just for an assessment of Michigan. And I'm not sure. Obviously, McCarthy is a year older, and everybody's going to point to what he did and turn the ball over against TCU being a factor in that game.
Starting point is 00:46:22 But I wonder about Michigan and the idea in the Big Ten where you don't have an athlete like Jalen Milrow at quarterback in that league. So I trust Iowa quarterback. He's see the body? No, he doesn't have the juice that Mill Road does. He looks like you want a contest to be out there.
Starting point is 00:46:44 Can we talk about something real quick? At what point is, and we're starting to call him out on it, but I watch these Dr. Pepper throwing contests every year now, and it's basically like the tuition hunger games. When you say it out loud, it's like one of you's going to college,
Starting point is 00:47:01 one of you is going to get crushed by its student loan debt, ready break. And Alejandro walks off and he's going to college. And Charlie, from, you know, I'm watching the Pactful championship game, he's got to go pay for college. And the next game, you actually get one that is all fucked up. And somebody might have won who didn't win. And the other guy gets 100K. How fucked up are these contests, dude?
Starting point is 00:47:25 It's tough. You think the playoffs bad. We just, we need to eliminate the, The chess pass. We need to have actual football throws, pump pass and kick. I just, I can't. Or if we just move the yardage back and made the target bigger. Today's society is cruel.
Starting point is 00:47:44 It's just cruel. It's cruel. And the loser is killed. That's how you probably feel when you lose that contest, dude. I mean, talk about half-court shot. You think I got nothing to lose, except for the guy who tore his Achilles at the Staples Center. But these people, these poor fucking people, dude, crazy. Anyways.
Starting point is 00:48:05 I reckon Alabama is going to be pretty public. Maybe people. No, they already are. Steve, you called that too. I was watching all the TV programs, you, Desmond Howard, all the folks, and you were on Bama. So I just want to take that moment. Coming off two, three-point victories. Yeah, coming off two, three-point victories.
Starting point is 00:48:24 Michigan's enrolling. People not giving Michigan, they're due. I like Michigan and Texas. Michigan and Texas, okay. To play for all of them. I take a shout of Washington with the idea of what they have. They're going to be fully healthy. Texas is awesome.
Starting point is 00:48:41 I love what's so happy for, sorry. I was actually more nervous for them Saturday night than anybody. Just because you get all this talk and it's like, wait a minute, is the head-to-head going to Tuscaloosa going to matter here? Yeah. You know, with the way people were talking about Alabama. So I just look. Texas is going to have to start a true freshman at safety and corner.
Starting point is 00:49:01 And Washington's receivers, you saw what they did to Oregon. And Oregon's secondary is not a strength. But Washington, I feel like Texas will be the public there. Everybody will bet the over because they know the quarterback's names. But I look at Washington as a live dog there to keep that one close. To end the night, that game is in New Orleans. Those two fan bases, that's fantastic. And who do you like in the national championship?
Starting point is 00:49:30 I got to see who wins the semis, Chris. Let's say Macon's, what was that you? Who said Michigan? Everybody's saying, Bama, Texas rematch. So I'm going to go, I'm going to say one of those doesn't happen. Yeah, Michigan over Texas. Michigan over Texas. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:47 Steve, what do you think about Wyoming in their bowl game? I'm kind of looking at Wyoming. Chase Long's looking to fucking New Year's. Is that because this is the first game of Bull Seseason? You don't even know who they play, maybe. I think they played Toledo or something. On the CW. Yeah, on the CW.
Starting point is 00:50:05 Your network. That's why. I just did a little plant here, network plant, Chris. I thought you were going to ask about your Montana Grizz being alive in the FCS playoffs. Well, when is that game? Because I'll bet the house on the Grizz. I don't need much right now. I'm waiting for those lines to be posted.
Starting point is 00:50:21 I believe they are Saturday night. Saturday night. No, they might be Friday night. Okay. Well, just tell me which thing about Wyoming when you know. Okay. All right, you got any awards to give out before we get into our locks and finish? I do.
Starting point is 00:50:36 Speaking of the FCS playoffs, Albany is still alive. Quarterback, Reese Poffenbarger. Reese Poffenbarger. Great day. Maryland kid. I believe he started at Old Dominion, left there. He's a great day in for Albany. Through for two, ran for two.
Starting point is 00:50:58 They rolled Richmond, 41-13, I think. He's accounted for 39 touchdowns. Keep an eye on the Great Danes in these FCS playoffs. But Reese Poffenbarger, your Timmy Chang Award winner. There we go. Congrats to Reese, you know. That's what I have to say about that. Not just everybody runs and throws on Richmond.
Starting point is 00:51:19 No. Go ahead. What's your next award? You got another one? No, that's it. That's it this week. We're all in on the FCS playoffs. Okay.
Starting point is 00:51:29 That's all we got left for a while. All right. Wow, Wyoming's Point Dog against Toledo. You shouldn't have to worry when you buy tickets to your next big event. Game time is the fast and easy way to buy tickets for all the sports, music, comedy, and theater events near you. With killer last minute deals, all-in prices, views from your seat, and their best price guarantee, game time takes the guesswork out of buying tickets. Game time makes it easy to find and buy tickets for every kind of event in your area, even last-minute deals. I know because I always wait until the last minute.
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Starting point is 00:53:17 But 21 and 18 making, 21 and 18. Steve, 21-16, and two me. So I don't know how I end up third, but I guess... That just means you get to pick third. You're in first. No, you're in first place. You're in first place. Make it sure.
Starting point is 00:53:33 How did Steve and I get tied? Oh, and three, baby. Is that right? He knew. Yeah. Tell me how my ass tastes, Steve. Three and O for big make dog, huh? It's how fast it can happen, buddy.
Starting point is 00:53:46 Okay, you're saying it's me? How does my ass taste, guys? You're up two pushes. I have more money. Everybody have their fun. He's not a many. They're tied. Heena Gallery in the back, chiming in.
Starting point is 00:54:01 Yeah, there he's. Where's our staff picks? Yeah, we'll see. Read the blog. Read the blog. Blog. On my copy and paste here, I have Jags Browns at 36.5. You're telling me that's 31.
Starting point is 00:54:13 That changes things. Just a little bit. I see 30 and a half. It's a key number. All right. In today's NFL, this is a key number. Okay. Is Thursday night on the table?
Starting point is 00:54:26 Sure. Sure. Okay. Making you're up because you're picking first. Don't know how you get to pick first over Steve. Steve, would you like to pick first? A tie break goes to who had the dumpster fire over weekend. Okay.
Starting point is 00:54:43 I'll take a team I really like against a team I'm not sold on, quite frankly. The L.A. Rams plus. A seven points in Baltimore. Might be a half point contender there. Good play alert. Interesting to see weather there. Getting a little chilly. Kieran can play in any weather.
Starting point is 00:55:04 You're up, Steve. I am going to take the Las Vegas Raiders plus three at home. Dog it. I'll be damned. You had them too. If I'm being honest with you, Chris. I didn't. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:20 But you also don't have any. No, no, no, no, no, no. I have some underlined here. I use the underline factor on Word. Oh, nice. Okay. Microsoft Word. I'll take the Kansas City Chiefs, minus two and a half at home.
Starting point is 00:55:34 I'm just going to keep riding these guys, man. I'm not making a stand on Kansas City. My legs are tired, but I stand on. Okay. All right. Two and a half. I'll raise you a two and a half. Give me the Atlanta Falcons at home to win the division against Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Starting point is 00:55:56 That number's two and a half. Atlanta at home minus two and a half. I like a lot of these plays, guys. I didn't have them last week for the first time in a while. I will take them and get back on the train. Give me the Eagles plus three and a half. Wow. Okay.
Starting point is 00:56:14 All right. Some people like that total. Some people like that total, guys, but not me. Damn, Steve. That's a good pick. Sorry, Chris. No, you're good. I'm going to go with the Houston Texans.
Starting point is 00:56:27 Jets are ready to quit. No, what? That's my most fascinating game this week. I can't wait because this is it for the jet. How many times could it be it for the Jets? You know what I mean? I agree with you. This is it.
Starting point is 00:56:41 But how many times could they say that? Okay. Here's it. If we can, the Jets lose, we don't mention their name. Yeah, we'll just stop. Let's do it. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 00:56:55 I think all major podcasts should have to do that too. I don't see that. I just joking. Makes your turn. Yeah, I know whose turn it is. Hmm. That doesn't seem right. Hmm, indeed.
Starting point is 00:57:16 Hmm. Makin it's your turn. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Lions bears over. Lions bears over. Okay. Give me a number?
Starting point is 00:57:48 40. 40 points. Yeah, I mean, it looks juicy. Okay. I will take Cowboy Reads, Broncos. Give me my half point there, plus three and a half. Gosh, darn it. We're aligned, though, huh?
Starting point is 00:58:07 Positive week. Yeah, I know. I know, I know, which leads me to my next pick. Getting off of Steve stink. Now, guys, you're off the board here, but help a friend in need. Yes, go. Now, here's the problem I have, Steve. He's not going to help me.
Starting point is 00:58:23 If anything, he might try to hurt me. That's not how I roll. All right, Steve. I got you. I'm right here. Sunday, you know, I've had a rough Sunday night because of the Chiefs and all those teasers that came crashing down and I was like, fuck it. I'm going to put my nuts on the table right now.
Starting point is 00:58:38 A lot can change for the, Bengals, it could probably get worse, right? I'm going to bet the Colts money line, which was like, you know, two to one, something like that. And now it is like a pick-em. Yeah. And so I'm kind of wondering, do I just take the Colts? You know, because nobody's going to be on the fucking Colts? Nobody.
Starting point is 00:59:00 Do you see last night? MO says to take the team, go against the team that covered on Monday night. That's what the book says? Yep. Yep. Now, I will tell you, I'm just going to fucking do it, man. All right. Do it.
Starting point is 00:59:12 Chips on the table. I got my real chips on the table. I got my reputational chips on the table. All right. All right. I don't care. R. J.S. T. Higgins. I don't care.
Starting point is 00:59:23 Something about this doesn't make sense. W.D. What do you think it was going to be? What do you think it was going to be? If you were Vegas and you were trying to put the line on, like, what? I would have it as pick them. You would. Pick, pick.
Starting point is 00:59:36 Well, fuck you guys then. Then I kind of like Pittsburgh New England under 30. Oh, give me the Pittsburgh, England under 30, The Undertaker. And that's, you want to have your half point there,
Starting point is 00:59:51 make it 30 and a half? No, you know, I don't know what you would do in this situation if you were me. Typically, you got one round number, you make it a hook.
Starting point is 00:59:59 Yeah, but I kind of feel like these pushes are what has me in first place. Go with your cut. That's true. So I'm going to go Texans to five. Okay. It makes no sense.
Starting point is 01:00:09 Maybe, but neither does you guys being tied with me right now. Because if you tell me, you're actually going to keep the most of your money. Rams. Rams, please, plus seven and a half. Gotcha. All right. Any games you all didn't bet that look interesting? Like, Canthers Saints?
Starting point is 01:00:27 Fuck, yeah. There's so many right now that look interesting. They're all appetizing. Why are there two Monday night games? Don't know. But, you know, that might be the night that I bet the dolphins. I really do. And I don't know why none of us didn't pick the Packers.
Starting point is 01:00:42 We were talking about it earlier. Jordan Love, he's seen Blitz. He's handled the Blitz. I love the Broncos Chargers play from Steve. I think we both probably do. How do you feel about my Chiefs play? I think that's... He does so good.
Starting point is 01:01:05 I don't. This is a great response. I don't know. He doesn't like it. He doesn't like it. Stay away. I don't like what they look. I don't like what they do.
Starting point is 01:01:14 look like. I don't like it. I don't like what they look like. Defense has been getting, you know, been getting got. They'll be home anytime, you know. Yeah, they are different at home. No, I mean, they'll wake up anytime, dude. Yeah. Oh, you're right.
Starting point is 01:01:29 And then I love the Raiders. We basically picked every, every game on the slate here between the three of us. I thought making would take his cowboys that he loves so much in the playoffs. No, no, he liked the. I put Miami in there. I had a mention of the Cowboys. No, I know. We don't want to beat them in the playoffs.
Starting point is 01:01:50 Eagles is the right side. Three and a half? You kidding me? Any of these totals? All right, let's just run through the totals real quick because we didn't play a lot of totals. Texans Jets. Am I seeing that right? 33?
Starting point is 01:02:03 Yep. Under. Yeah. Tank Dell, you've got to adjust to that. By the way, that's a lot of points in a low total game for your boy. But, oh, well, Rams, Ravens, 40 and a half. I heard something about weather okay
Starting point is 01:02:17 staying away from that total Panthers Saints 37 and half by the way you should take the Panthers here I just I got a feeling I got a feeling and I like the under I do
Starting point is 01:02:29 Colts Bengals 40 I think that's going over and if it goes under the Colts win that's why I feel good about this okay I might hedge with the over bet my getting home by 730 under or over I was a little
Starting point is 01:02:45 A little A bad time A little production joke It did take you three minutes I've been home in two days But that's a guy with a job And you know That's a little little
Starting point is 01:02:54 Not a little Not real estate Which is a trade It's a hobby It's a hobby It's a vocation really Last one that I think Because Macon wants to get out of here
Starting point is 01:03:06 40 and a half Vikings Raiders Is something I'm eyeing up Steve Under. Under? Yeah. I could be talked into that.
Starting point is 01:03:18 And then the Eagles and Cowboys actually, this is one somebody texts me about earlier. That number's shooting up. And I think it's too late to get on it at 53. If it gets up to 54, maybe I like the under. Okay. I got one question for you guys.
Starting point is 01:03:34 Where are the AFC title game and NFC title games going to be played? Kansas City and San Francisco. why? Just wonder? What do you think? Baltimore and San Francisco. Wow.
Starting point is 01:03:54 I just don't see Baltimore coming out of that couple game gauntlet. Well, now that Trevor's hurt, you know, I like their matchup against Miami. I just think they lose to San Francisco. And then what? What if the chiefs went out? Anyways, we've talked about this. Yeah. Macon's got to get home, guys.
Starting point is 01:04:14 Should we go through the kickoff line? of every game. The fucking podcast is an hour and ten minutes. You've had ten days off. People online ask me, we need more making. I'm like, yeah, if you'd be willing to work more. That's a problem. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:29 All right. That is the end of the show. Hey, big signy for Wahoo-WAS. Huh? Chris Tyree. Chris Tyree. I don't know what the fuck y'all are talking about. Notre Dame.
Starting point is 01:04:39 Slop back. Okay. Deference made. Quarterback. We got a quarterback. Oh, we got a quarterback? We don't need a quarterback. We have Calandria.
Starting point is 01:04:46 Yeah. Africa and drink. Africa. All right, good. It's a pipeline now. Good. Take care, everybody. Love you, Steve.
Starting point is 01:04:52 Love you guys. Shout out to the branch. You owe me something.

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