Green Light with Chris Long - Steelers vs Colts Recap! Jeff Saturday's Timeouts, Alex Highsmith's Impact & Best NFL Mascots.

Episode Date: November 29, 2022

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And in Michigan, 1-800-2707-1-17. Tennessee, y'all two. 1-800-9-9-7-89. Welcome to the Greenlight Podcast. Cowboy. Monday Night Night Out Football, Timeouts, Jeff Saturday, Matt Ryan, Kenny Pickett. A bunch of storylines in this one, Chris and Bo recap them all, and give you a reason why the timeout situation might not be what you think it is. We also talk the best mascots in the NFL, give props to Devin McCordy on his 200th career start, and Bo gives Chris a couple TV show recommendations.

Y'all enjoy. Good morning to everybody but the Lakers, the blue, the fourth leg of a parlay that would have had me all. off to a hot start this week. All I needed was the Lakers. The magic covered, that was a no-brainer. The Celtics. The, yeah, the nuggets. I mean, it was all down to LeBron.

And LeBron got a three in his eye hole at the end of regulation. So I'm told, because I went to bed, because the Lakers were up 13 points in the fourth, 17 points in the fourth quarter. Yeah, it was one of those horrifying situations where you, wake up to check your balance very excited and you see zero oh oh just awful and a continuation of the bad luck that has plagued this studio uh what what have we done what did we do to deserve this who did we piss off you know what did i say run the pod back we must have pissed the guy the gambling

gods off um but we're back at it today with uh with with uh with uh u s and the world cup Bo, how you doing, man? Bo Cephas is with us today. I hear the construction noise in the background. I tune it out. I don't even notice it anymore, man. I don't think about every fucking waking second of the day. I'm good, though.

It's good to be back in Studio B over here. Had a lovely Thanksgiving back in Minnesota. I'm thankful for you, Chris. I know I mentioned that last week. I want to mention that again. One thing I am a little fucking annoyed about is like, I kind of need a transitionary period after Thanksgiving. before we go in all in on Christmas.

I'm seeing all this Christmas shit. I'm seeing Christmas ads. Everyone's decorated in their house for Christmas. It's still November. I'm not quite ready for Christmas yet. So I need a week to just kind of unwind from Thanksgiving. No, bring it on, man. Distract me from my reality.

You want right into Christmas for the Grinch over here? You're ready? Yeah, go right into Christmas. Christmas music and everything. As Kyle put it yesterday, I could use a little serotonin boost in the dark months. So, like, throw the lights up. Do the whole thing. I don't care.

All right. Let's bring you some Christmas joy. What do you want for Christmas, Bo? Ooh, what do I want for Christmas? I've got to think about that a little bit more. I love some candy in my stocking. I just know about it. That's always a plus.

Yeah, I'll think about that. I'll send you over my Christmas lists. Okay, cool. Expect something real nice from you, buddy. Did you guys watch the game last night, show of hands, who actually watched that Steelers Colts game? It was, Matt didn't read it. Last and a half.

It was actually like the game. I thought the game was highly viewable for an indoor game. I mean, two great uniforms. I like the lighting at Lucas Oil. I think the lighting is pretty good, you know, when it comes to indoor football. And I'm interested. I'm always interested in the Steelers. Interested in the Steelers.

And we saw maybe the start of Kenny Pickett and George Pickens, their flourishing career for many years to come. So Pickens made some great catches last night. I mean, he's must see TV. He's already made like four show stopping catches this year. And then last night, he did it again on a play action, back shoulder ball that Kenny Pickett put right on him. That was a really good throw and a really great catch.

I don't know how they figure out the catch probability thing because I'm stuck on David and Joku being a 25% catch probability from Sunday. That's bullshit. That was at the most 5%. And then they had George Pickens at 23%. So you're telling me that ball on the sideline is harder to catch than Injoku on 4th and 10. Full extension, one hand getting hit as he catches the football. They need to scrap how they figure that out.

But yeah, no, Kenny Pickett to me, also I'm watching Kenny Pickett. And I'm at this intersection of like, do I grow my hair out? Do I get a regular guy haircut? Do I keep growing my hair out? Because I'm starting to look like a dirty ill-billy from North Florida. Yeah, okay. I think grow it out because under the, the beanie it's beanie season yeah long hair a little waterfall out the back of a beanie yeah get that

let us get that hockey hair man is my ceiling kenny picket though no your ceiling is um is one of the hockey one of the um you know supporting hockey guys from um letter kenny okay and i still got to watch the show but yeah i was watching kenny picket i was like man that guy kind of looks like me you know i don't know if i want to keep growing my hair out so i can look like Kenny But Kenny Pickett looks pretty good on the football field. I'm going to say this. Every time I watch Kenny Pickett, I'm waiting to, I don't know, be discouraged. I'm waiting to say, yeah, this guy doesn't have it.

It's just when you draft a quarterback at the bottom of the first round, that's an interesting place to grab a guy, right? I mean, it's not like there's 100% hit rate there. Lord knows there's not 100% hit rate at the top of the first round. And you're kind of in this situation where with quarterbacks now, unless you draft one in the first half of the first round, you're kind of thinking, this guy might be a bridge. It's, you know, we're, we're in a transition period, see what we got.

And I think they got something in Kenny Pickett, man. You know, I mean, huh? He moved around in the pocket really well. And he was finding the intermediate, uh, passes. He was 18 of 22 for 126 yards on passes traveling fewer than 10 air yards. And he leads the NFL, uh, with a plus 6.8 completion over expected on passes under 10 air yards this season. So he's doing a good job.

And he had a good opening drive on the road. When you're a rookie quarterback and you go on the road and the Colts, there was energy in that building. This team is playing for something. My wife, Meg was sitting with me last night like, you got to watch this whole game. And I was like, I'm honestly interested in this game because I'm interested in Kenny Pickett.

I like watching George Pickens. T.J. Watts, always fun. Hi, Smith, who we'll talk about in a second. But on the other side of it is a team that, you know, really believes that they're in it. And they've had this infusion,

of, I don't know, energy since Jeff Saturday took the headset. Now, we'll talk about him in a second. But the Steelers came out and jumped them on the road. Great opening drive. Good mobility from Kenny Pickett. We talked about the back shoulder throw to Pickens. Him and Pickens had a hard time in the middle part of this game of getting on the same page. Not necessarily people running the wrong routes or the ball going to the wrong place,

but Pickens just couldn't catch the ball. and Pickett couldn't put it right on them in certain scenarios. Like the ball in the corner of the end zone, they're up 13-0-0 at the time, right? So late in this game is they're toiling and battling, and, you know, Indie goes for a long kickoff return, and then they have a touchdown drive, and they're right there.

You're thinking to yourself, like, he's going to want that throwback really bad. He just, he could have put a little bit more air under it right before the half. It's going to be 20 and nothing, and this ball game's completely different. But pick-ins, it's a little bit out, it's a little bit out ahead of him.

And I think he probably could make this catch if he lays out with two hands, but not a perfectly thrown ball. There were also some drops later in the game. That's one he would want back. And fast forwarding to the end of him, Deonté Johnson also had a rough game, including a drop in the end zone. There was a second and 20 or 16 where he caught the ball going over the middle and had a chance to turn it up for a first down, doesn't get it.

So Deontay Johnson, not his best game. Pickens, even though he was inconsistent, is just a magnificent player to watch. When it comes to the end of this ball game, and the situation is the Steelers are up by a touchdown, the Colts have the ball, they're driving. They came into half, and they couldn't get anything going. I mean, Matt Ryan's first two passes were damn near intercepted.

The second one was, he looked shook in the first half. And you can really see when they bring pressure, what mobility, lack of mobility, how that factors in, when you pressure a 37-year-old quarterback. But in the second half, something Jeff Saturday did or said in the half had these guys out there slinging the ball around a little bit. So they're driving. They got a chance to tie this ballgame. And Alex Highsmith, who's a really good player and who's coming along, and this is kind of his breakout year.

He's played second fiddle to T.J. Watt. He just went double digits on this sack in the final drive. He won the game for them. Okay, look at the situation. This is obviously going to, it's going to turn into a timeout conversation. But look at the situation here. It's first down. Alex Highsmith gets a sack.

So that's kind of a drive killer, even in the high red. T.J. Watt has been kind of hobbled, it looks like. He didn't have a huge effect on the game. And the right tackle did a really nice job of surviving against T.J. Watt. Braden Smith. One pressure on the night. He did a really good job.

And I'll say this. I don't think T.J. Watt looked right. Well, I mean, it's hard to come back when you, you know, miss the majority of the season, and this is third game back, you know, you kind of got to like shake the rust off to a certain extent. I don't think he's playing to the caliber that you'd expect him to, but, you know, there's no doubt in mind he'll get there over the next couple weeks. Well, thankfully Highsmith has been filling in really well for him all year.

I know the, I know the Bengals game really bothered T.J. Watt. You could see it after the game. I mean, he had a big pick. He made some plays, but he wanted that sack. and he had burrow around the ankles and some key scenarios and couldn't get there. But tonight he looked, or last night, he looked a little bit, like he just wasn't right. You know, like, when my dad used to watch me play after the game, he'd say something like, you didn't look right out there, you know, which basically means whether it was an injury

or, you know, something was off mentally or whatever it was. That was T.J. Watt last night. And I can remember watching him changing cleats on the sideline. I saw him in post game. They cut away pretty quickly, but he was limping. Like maybe something's going on with him. I know that it was an upper body injury that took him out for most of the year. But, you know, when you're out of football, as you said, and you're working your legs back into it,

it can be hard to get into shape. And you can also incur little dings that kind of compound what you're suffering from already. So T.J. Watt did not look great last night relative to his standards, but High Smith stepped up with that sack on first down. And then second down, here's where the Jeff Saturday. Madness starts. Second and 17, Matt Ryan scrambles, you know the rest. But as they're rushing up to the line and we'll get to what Jeff Saturday could have or should have done, they're going to run a play here on third and short with under a minute to go in the game. They're on the top

side of 30 seconds. So they got time. They rush up. And I believe that Jeff Saturday is trying to catch the Steelers in sub. I mean, they're in sub right now. They got little guys on the field. It's third and short. You've got Jonathan Taylor. I have no problem with the call. I have no problem with the call. And I know a lot of people made a big deal about this call because myself included, I was not a fan of how Jeff Saturday was hired, but I am a fan of Jeff Saturday. I think a lot of people are waiting for him to make that big mistake.

And they're like, oh, we got it right here. The mistake was not running a play on third and short into a nickel front, you know, a nickel front seven. I mean, actually, if you freeze frame that shot, as Alex Highsmith, the hero, is making that play on third and short for a TFL, you can see it. Jonathan Taylor's got one guy to make miss at the sticks, and he's got a first down. So that's all you can ask for. I have no problem with that call. The problem is Jolani Woods, who had a great game, Wahoo-Wah, Virginia guy, Jolani Woods had the best game of his career, but on third and short, they're hurrying to get lined up,

and they run a play, out of gun, and Woods can't cut Highsmith off. And that to me is the problem. You know, a lot of times we second-guess things, and we say that was the call, but the call was the right one, and the call probably yields a first down. If you're tight end, who's a fucking, he's an oak tree, the guy's enormous, can get something on High Smith who makes the play on second down, on third down and short, which forces fourth and a couple of yards. And here's what happens on fourth and a couple yards.

Alex High Smith goes Bullrush, and he gets Matt Ryan off the spot. You know the rest, incomplete pass. So three plays, Alex Highsmith out of four, directly impacts the outcome of this game. Hats off to him, game ball to him. And another guy that looked really good was Snell in relieving Najee Harris. And I know for a lot of Pittsburgh fans, Najee Harris is a little bit of a disappointment, which I don't like using that word because I think he's still a solid player and that sort of thing. But a lot of people probably would say the offense runs best.

better with somebody else. Let's see somebody else a different type of back. Snell had a nice game. 12 for 62 in a touchdown. Naji has had a tough year because that offensive line hasn't been, you know, for the last couple years. Now, obviously last year he had a really solid rookie season, hasn't been able to replicate it in part due or in part because of the offensive line. But it was interesting to see Benny do much better with the same tools. Yeah. And, you know, sometimes being elusive when you have an offensive line that's that's not a 10 out of 10 group and you've got some you've got some garbage to sift through maybe some people are missing blocks like having a guy who's got a little bit more burst a little bit more elusiveness can be a good thing

you think a big back can break a lot of tackles and clean your mess up i really think benny smell looked good last night um here here's the here's the argument that's raging is jeff saturday wrong and as i said earlier i have no problem with rushing your team up with one timeout to go. You had plenty of time and running into sub because I believe that's what he was doing. I thought for a second last night that Matt Ryan slid or dove forward at the sticks

and thought his second little skid carried him over the sticks and I remember him looking up and looking to the sideline to see if he got the first down. And I'm not sure if Matt Ryan was aware that he didn't have the first down initially. But I got to think by the time they snap that ball, they know the sticks. the play was not the problem the timeout that jeff saturday should have taken and you always do this in two minute it's like a cardinal sin not to is when you take a sack you call a timeout and you regroup that's where you have to that's where you take your time out that's where you take your time out now sex so much time in two

minute it's like a 20 second play minimum yeah it's like trying to run the field goal team out there I mean you got some people 30 yard down the field you got matt ryan back there at seven yards you and just just to regroup your team emotionally after a play like that in two minute like okay We took a sack. Like, let's fucking call this time out. Let's get back on track. Let's, you know what I mean? Yeah.

So I agree with you completely there. And hindsight is 2020 in that third downplay. So it's, you know, everyone's kind of sitting here saying the same thing. But like, do you call the, do you call the time out before the play and, you know, allow them to change and just get into your best possible run? It's hindsight, 2020. I agree with you there. Run that shit into sub with, you know, with, it's one block to beat. Yeah.

You know, you were completely right about that. So it's, but it's the one after. sack is a killer. It's like you have to call a time out there. And if you and if you don't get it on third down, you can regroup and call a time out then. If you get a, if you get a first down, you can spike it. You get a fresh set of downs. You can save a time out for, you know, another sack or, you know, because Matt Ryan, I mean, every time he drops back, I'm nervous. Uh, you can save a time out for that situation since you, you, you pass it up on the last sack. There's all types of ways this game could have played out. But the bottom line is people are

looking for Jeff Saturday to fail. I, I, I am. I am not one of those people. I am assuming that he will fail because he doesn't have the experience as a head coach. And, I mean, even if he plays it, he coaches this team into a respectable final record this year. He keeps him in the hunt. The offseason team building, the whole team, the whole thing is a totally different ballgame. So I'm not one of these people that's rooting against Jeff Saturday. I can look at this objectively.

I don't think that was a bad deal. I mean, people had criticized him early in the game because Matt Ryan's ran up. to line to run a quarterback sneak and fourth and short, and they don't run it quickly. You know, they kind of sit there for a second, and then he snaps the ball and picks up the first down. You know, people are looking for things to criticize him about. I actually don't mind running up to call a sneak and having the D-line sit there for 25 seconds or whatever it is and, you know, kind of get stiff waiting and snap. I like that. I actually like a play where you rush up, it looks like you're trying to

freeze people or get him a jump off sides and then you actually run your play after that thought has entered their mind. So there's a few things that people are on Jeff Saturday about the one thing that I would criticize him for is not calling a time out after the sack. That's it. Yeah. Chris, I mean, you're right, Jeff Saturday is definitely

in our microscope just because of his coaching experience and the ways he was hired and people are kind of looking for him to fail. But these timeout kind of mistakes at the end of the game are sometimes impossible, you know, It feels like an impossible situation under fire. And there's another one with Todd Bulls and the Bucks at the end of the Bucks Browns game

that the Bucks eventually lost in overtime where, you know, Todd Bowles, who's not, you know, he's a more experienced head coach and a very experienced decornered. He's been a head coach. Exactly. And he's not, you know, Jeff Saturday coming off coaching Georgia high school football or whatever. But he made a mistake, too, at the end of the game with the Browns that, you know, potentially cost them the game. overtime so these are things that you know are I feel like they happen kind of every week across

the league well it's funny because I had the bucks minus three as I've talked about in this show and that was crushing watching and joku catch that ball but I never once thought and I wasn't thinking like head coach call a time out before that play it's fourth and 10 you you're up seven if they convert you're going to want time to to drive down the field and score and they did not call a time out that that's a 30 40 second difference and it's a field goal situation you have an opportunity you have an opportunity to kick a field going win. So I think that that would have been absolutely the right call and way more of a slam dunk, easy decision than what Jeff Saturday had to make.

So I guess the point being, and I'm not letting Jeff Saturday off the hook because I think they should open that job search up in the offseason and look for a real coach. The Todd Bowles mistake was worse. Relative to the experience he has, which I'm told like, you know, it makes you immune to making these decisions or not making these decisions. so he doesn't take a timeout. And then when they get the ball back, they have a big chunk play. They have a couple chunks or whatever it is.

And they're eight seconds away after a Julio Jones reception. They're right there. They have a chance to be in field goal range. They don't take a time out early in that drive. They have plenty of time. They can call that time out and they'll have more time to actually kick the field goal at the end of the game. So two instances at the end of that ballgame were Todd Bowles was caught with his pants down. But what's interesting to me, Chris, is like, you know, if you look at Jeff Saturday with Matt,

Ryan and Bowles with Tom Brady these are two incredibly experienced quarterbacks that have been there before you know and what I was thinking about is like was is Bowles kind of waiting for Brady to take the you know you know kind of take ownership for those timeouts on the field kind of thing you know it just feels like like Bowles is kind of playing that safe playing that for a tie that obviously did not work out and he went in the media afterwards and talked about how you know he didn't want the quarterback to throw an interception it's like okay you know that's all well and if it's, you know, a first-year quarterback like Kenny Pickett or whatever.

But you got, you know, Tom Brady here trying to lead your team down the field for, you know, for a field goal. Like, it should definitely be doable and you want to preserve as much time as possible. So it's just interesting. It feels like a mistake that, you know, bowls didn't necessarily own up to. The best moments in a sports fan's life are in football season. I'm not talking about September. I'm not talking about the first week in October. I'm not even talking about the second week in October.

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In Colorado, Indiana, New Jersey, and Virginia call 1-800 gambler. and in Michigan, 1,800, 270, 7117. Tennessee, y'all two, 1,8009, 9789. So last night we had a, the Colts mascot Pita Fan. That was fun, but we also had another mascot this weekend. Jackson DeVille, he popped on with a little banana hammock action. And, Bo, I know you wanted to give out a Miller Light mention for him. Yeah, exactly.

He took the Florida man a little too far? I actually kind of love that. He leaned into it. You know, I don't know. That's definitely drip king of the week for me, Jackson DeVille. You know, like you don't get a lot of opportunities to shine as a mascot. And he leaned into it, man. He had that banana hammock on.

He was, you know, they got that pool, you know, field side in Jacksonville. I kind of like that. Maybe take a dip in the pool afterwards. Maybe take some mushrooms. I'm looking at these. Sometimes I look at mascots and I'm like, that would be like a performance enhancing drug for these guys. Just load them up on boomers,

like wearing a banana hammock watching the game. Yeah, man. Look how much fun he's having. And you know what? I thought that was actually pretty, he threw on the banana hammock to cover the bulge, which was a nice thing to do. I think full Florida man would have been out there.

I don't know if he is having fun. You can't tell if he's smiling underneath that. That's the beauty of it, though. I would love to walk around wearing a mask. I would love to walk around wearing a mask. Just hide my sadness. Chris, you okay, man. I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good.

Maybe we just need to get you in a banana hammock. Just LaBomb. That'll cheer you up. A couple betting wins for the soccer game. That's all we need. We had the soccer game. So. So another mascot, the Seahawks 12th man took it a little too literally.

we had a player who I think after an interception, a Seahawks player ran onto the field, I think because he thought that he was down by contact, he wanted to celebrate with the player who had picked off the past party. He comes off the sideline, and then he realizes the play's still going on, and so he starts running so he didn't want to make it obvious, but you could tell he didn't want to touch anybody to nullify the play.

Yeah, well, I love that, though. I would love to see that in the team meeting or like in the meeting room the next day. Fuck it. Get a block. You know, I love that. It's like it acts like you belong. You know what I'm saying? The biggest shame is they lost that game and the defense was a big part of why they lost

that game. And so Dorel Taylor, um, who runs on the field and thinks that, you know, the ball's down. He's going to celebrate with his teammates and then gets caught, you know, kind of in the middle of a flash mob. He's just out there like, what the fuck do I do? Um, yeah, I, I see why he made the mistake. it's it's petrifying and it would have been fun had they won the game in the film room but since they lost the game I feel like this was probably like come on man uh code break he's gonna get a fine in

his locker too and the best part is like the refs didn't notice it during the game you know is everyone like dry snitching on him and at least he ran on the field with his helmet on he didn't you know he wasn't where the player sitting on the sideline without his helmet um but yeah he that's hilarious though but i mean imagine like you get like a 12,000 dollar fine and you're like locker on Wednesday for that. I don't know if you can find you for that. I've never seen something to get fine for 12 men on the field. Leaving the, uh, yeah, but I guess like leaving the bench areas, what I was thinking of, but I guess that's more like fight related. You know, it's funny. But that reminds me, go ahead. I was going to say like that reminds you a little bit of, uh, in the Super Bowl at the Bengals and

the Rams, Vernon Hargraves, uh, got a penalty for being on the field, but he was in street closed. Like I think he had flip-flops on. Yes. I don't know if it's kind of an obscure play, but I remember that and I just made me think back on that. Like, at least exactly what you said. Like he had a helmet on and then the wearerithal, because you know he had that moment where he's like, oh, fuck, this play is live.

And there's like a split, split second to turn around and run up field and pick up a block is just so. Well, that's so funny. What was you thinking for two seconds? You brought up Vernon Hargraves. I forgot about that. Like,

how about getting, being the first player to get a penalty in shower shoes like ever and do it at the Super Bowl? Yeah. At the Super Bowl too. And what do you even say if you're a coach? Like, what do you even say?

You know, you're exact. What do you say to you? you know, Fernand Hargraves in that situation. Yeah, well, the year's over in three hours.

So, like, chance is hard. This guy might not be on the team, right? You know, so. I can't remember if you was injured or if he was on the practice squad or, you know,

one of the traveling members. But if you was injured, the coaches are probably looking at him like, are you really that injured? Yeah, right. ...grimbing a sprint out of the field. I remember we had a guy in crutches

in college who was on IR. And after we beat Maryland on a game winning stop on fourth down, you could see the wide shot. The crutches went up in the air. And the dude, his name was Mike Brown, runs out in the middle of the field and celebrates with everybody else. So, you know, sometimes you can tell on yourselves in those situations. But I think Mike was really actually banged up.

It reminds me of something. There's a guy around here named Joe Geek, who was a, you know, Reg you probably are familiar with Joe Geek. He's like kind of a legend at the McHugh Center over there, Virginia legend. He was a longtime team doctor. And he wears a cowboy hat. He's like 75 years old. He's fucking, he's a legend. But back in the 80s or 90s, I don't know if it was Florida State or who it was,

but he ran out and tried to trip a guy. You know, there was a pick six, and my man steps off the sidelines and sticks his foot out. Now, this is back before we had every angle in social media and that sort of thing. But it definitely reminds me of Joe Geek sticking his foot out in an ACC battle. Oh, do we have that? We have it. Wow. 1995.

1995. Joe Geek sticks his foot out and tries to trip. I don't know who he's, what team they're playing. Florida State.

Florida State. He was 57 at the time. He was 57 in 1995. So that makes him, this is 28, 27 years later. He's 57. He's 84 years old now. And I guarantee you

if he was on the sideline, he'd do it again. He said, I can get away with that at 84, though. You can get away a lot when you're almost 90 years old. Hell yeah, dude. I can't wait to get rid of,

get away with some shit He said, I thought about tackling him, but I'd be rated down on poor form. Honestly, though, he can't get away with anything. This dude's sharp as attack at 87. I see him at the gym in his cowboy hat. Okay. So what else, Reed? Talking about some dinged-up players, we had a couple of dinged-up coaches.

Sean McVeigh gets popped in the nodded. Yeah, he kind of got smacked on that. That's one that you don't see at all, you know, and he, you could tell he was a little shook from that for a while. They were like, they asked him about him. I think the sideline reporter asked him about it. And he's like, yeah, that one got me pretty good. It's like, yeah, we, you know, we fucking saw. You know, if you hit somebody inside the jaw, I can shut down the carotid artery.

Right. And that did. That's night night to the brain. And we had Nick Sabin getting popped. I did not see Nick Sabin getting popped. I did not see Nick Saban getting popped. So the same kind of situation got hit by a player, but he had a big old cut on his cheek from the Iron Bowl,

Alabama and Auburn. They came away with the big win, but Nick had some battle scars, probably some battle scars. First battle scars had, you know, from a football game probably in a long time. Well, listen, it looks like he was riding the back of Bobby Petrino's motorcycle,

and Bobby took the worst of it. I mean, it looks like a little minor road rash from Nick Saban. His comment was weird, though. He said that unlike some of his players, he didn't have to go to the medical tent. Oh, well, maybe a job. He's just waiting for that one. Yeah, he couldn't wait. Nicole's players, pussies.

I love it. You know, when it comes to, like, coaches getting injured, I've seen a few coaches get injured on the sideline. I've seen coaches tear their ACLs. I've seen coaches break their legs. That always makes me, it gives me the hebie-jeebies when somebody who's unathletic gets their legs taken out because they just don't have, like, if, if, if, if, you know, if, if, hebe, G-Geebysys when somebody who's unathletic gets their legs taken out, because They just don't have, like if an NFL player gets his legs taken out, like the other, the other night, Lane Johnson, now he's ready for this. He's running in space to go block up a screen and one of these DBs who's penalized for the plate comes in a nice, his knee out.

And actually, if he was, if he was playing on turf, that's, that's an ACL or whatever it is. His foot didn't get stuck in the turf. But we're great athletes. Like, you know, even though, you know, we may not be the best athletes in the game, you and me, Bo. But if somebody ran into us, if. If somebody ran into us on the sidelines, we have kind of the built-in pro preception balance, like reactive kind of skill set that allows us to overcome a catastrophic injury. These coaches are sitting ducks.

Like they haven't done shit all week, but the elliptical. And so like when a player comes out there on the sidelines, it's night night. If somebody's running down low and tabletops an assistant coach, I've seen coaches get hurt, and it was their fault. Chuck Cecil, I tell this story sometimes, he was amazing. Look up Chuck Cecil on YouTube. You don't have to do it right now, but Chuck Cecil was like an animal out there in the field. He was a safety back in the 80s, and this is before they called any penalties.

He was like a psycho. I mean, he was like an absolute psycho. And he was Jeff Fisher's longtime assistant. And Chuck Cecil used to come up to me before the games and want to headbutt me, without a helmet on. So he would headbutt me repeatedly, like right before kick. And then I'd run out there. And as I was running out there, I was like, thinking to myself, like, what a crazy

motherfucker. And I can remember coming back out after a three and out, the first drive of the game and seeing Chuck Cecil being tended to by the medical staff with blood on his face. So, you know, these coaches, man, it is a contact. They just want to feel alive, man. The coaches, he needed that. Yeah. Did you see the clip of the college kid from Pitt?

Bashan's helmet? I think it was that about. I don't know. I want to look forward to that. I couldn't tell if he was like excited because if you extend it just before, he's talking. Yeah. It looks, they look like they're talking about something great that happened. He's walking down the bench and then just slams it.

Maybe it's like, you know, stupid, stupid. I don't know. I want to get to the bottom of that. The bench. It was like, yeah. The bench reaction is a great thing. But also that's like, remember Owen Schmidt? Remember Owen Schmidt?

Oh, yeah. Did the same thing with the helmet and then he had the blood running down his face. That fucking cycle. ghost. Yeah. Well, listen, 95 for Pitt. I mean, uh, Devin Danielson, I think he's fucking around. I do because he, him and his buddy are laughing and I don't know if he's doing it to get a rise out of the, they're at 42 to 16. What can you be upset about? You're playing Miami. Seriously. But the way he did, like, it's not like he didn't pull that helmet at all, you know, but it's great to see the reaction of the guys in the bench. He kind of took that like a champ.

Yeah, no question. If you're doing draft analysis on him, does that help or hurt his stock? Uh, I mean, I kind of like a little psycho in my football players, you know? Yeah. Like you need that a little bit. What, what Pittsburgh football player got hit harder by a helmet? Mason Rudolph or this guy? Devin Danielson. He's got what it takes at the next level.

It just like, turn him into an offensive guard and when they have to block Miles Garrett, you just send him out there to fight Miles Garrett, try to get Miles ejected. Yeah. just helmet on helmet helmet contact. Go ahead. Real fast before we get to Beau's mentions, Bo, I just texted you a tweet.

I want you to tell me the first thing that jumps out at you. It's a screenshot of the Volkswagen, Italy, their Instagram page. I love that. Volts, it's swag genitalia. That's what it looks like. It's like that brief little moment a couple weeks ago

where like Twitter kind of became the Wild West again and people were buying verified profiles and like tweeting whatever they wanted you know so like for a second i thought it was one of those but that's their actual account i love that you know what i'm talking about chris yeah i wish i got something with the with the with the delta remember that that's that was like the early days of that yeah back in the day when i used to get get people as you know people complain about their flight and i would i would change my header in my profile picture and and my name and i would be like spirit airlines and tell them to shut the fuck up and

get cozy. We don't give a fuck about you. Yeah. Yeah. It's been... Our bag fees and shut the fuck up. It's been a weird couple weeks on Twitter. Yeah. You got, uh, you got Fletch. And you almost got Mark Ingram.

Oh yeah, I did kind of get Mark Engram. Yeah, yeah. I think, uh, I think he responded and he was like, dude, I almost called you right away and cussed you out. Yeah, he was mad. Yeah. Well, no, he was, he was laughing. Right. Laughing. But yeah, he said he was pissed for second. Yeah. Mo, what mentions you got for us from NFL v. 12?

Yeah, let me just shift gears a little bit. We already talked about Jackson DeVille, Drip King of the Week, wearing the banana hammock, really making us all drip. You like a furry? Yeah, exactly. You know there's people with a fetish for that? Yeah, you're looking at one. Do you think there were a couple furries in the crowd Sunday?

100%. That were like kind of turned on by Jackson. Maybe even on the field. You know the players are like looking at that. You know how like on the sidelines of games like during a dull moment, like a TV timeout or something? Like you look around and just see some of the weird shit that's happening. Like, you just turn around your mascots and a banana. Well, in Jacksonville, I've always said this.

They do some of the wildest stunts, man. They do some of the scariest, most dangerous stunts. And they don't just do them. They do them in Florida where I'm pretty sure like if you're going to go to a carnival or a state fair. Florida is like a bottom five state to do that because I just don't trust that everybody tightened the nuts and bolts. You know, I just don't trust that somebody tied off Jackson DeVille's repel line tight enough.

Like I've always felt like they deserve like a Lloyds of London insurance policy. Like Jackson DeVille should have a $5 million insurance policy. And now what else can't he do? He can sexualize himself. He can be risky. Like most teams would have the math. Like the cheerleaders sexualize themselves, but like the Jags weren't with the mascot. Okay, maybe it is.

I kind of love that pitch. Two minute break. Two minute break here. I want you to give me your favorite NFL mascots. Sexually or just, just, you know. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Which ones would you actually?

NFL mascots. Give me, take a break and we'll rank the mascots. Okay. Let me, I can hit some of these Miller Light mentions. Yeah, go ahead. So I wanted to give a shout out for Mandag of the week. I really loved the Bengals Front 7 against the Titans. I thought they really, like DJ Reader and those guys were really prepared.

But I wanted to give a shout out to Logan Wilson, the inside linebacker number 55 for the Bengals. They did a really good job against the Titans and Derek Henry, their run game. So Logan Wilson had nine tackles, a TFL and a PBU. But really, that whole front seven played really, really well, you know, Henderson and the rest of the the guy. So that was fun to watch. Pretty physical matchup there between the bangles and the Titans. You see Ted Karras running off the field saying like fuck Nashville. I kind of love that fire out of him too. So, you know, that's my, that's my man dog of the week. I've kind of reserved that one for, you know, interior delimit. But give that one to a linebacker. And then

locker room guy of the week. Wanted to go with Dev McCorm. So a really cool thing where Robert Kraft was honoring Dev for 200 starts as a Patriot, which is definitely something to be commended. If you're in an organization for 200 starts, it's impressive. I think it's even more impressive when it's that organization because they can be very cutthroat with some of their veteran players. But, I mean, you know this Chris. Dev is an amazing guy and kind of does everything right. And to see him honored, he got a cool kind of like a mash up. a compilation photo of all of his 200 starts and saw Matt Slater give him some love too.

So those are two football players. I'm a huge, huge fan of someone to give Dev shout out for a locker room guy of the week. You know, in 200 starts, that's kind of getting up there in the Hall of Fame. You know, there's not a lot of people that start 200 games in the NFL, let alone the first, you know, on the same team. So, you know, I know that doesn't factor into, you know, getting a gold jacket. And we're not talking about Devin McCordian that way. but go look at a list of guys who have started 200 games in the NFL. There's not too, too many.

Well, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's probably more than you'd expect. I wonder how many people, Reid, can you find out how many people have 200 starts in the NFL? Okay, Reed, continue with your rundown. We had 16 total. Devin McCordy, Randall McDaniel, 1989 and 2002, Gene Upshaw.

1967 to 1981, Peyton Manning, 98 to 2011, Derek Brooks, 96 to 2008, Eli Manning, 04 to 2017,

Jim Otto, 1967. All Hall of Famer so far. Yeah. London Fletcher. Yep. 2000 to 2013, Ronde Barber,

99 to 2012. Alan Page, 67 to 81, Will Shields, 93 to 2006. Bruce Matthews, 87 to 2002, Philip Rivers in 2006 to 2021.

Mick Tinglehoff. Okay, I don't know Mick Tinglehoff. He might be a kicker. He's a hell of a man. For Minnesota, 62 to 1978. He is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. 2015, his 32nd year of eligibility. Bill Romanowski,

1988 to 2003. I did not realize he had that many consecutive stars. So, Romanolylewski is not a Hall of Fame. I don't think he's going to make the Hall of Fame. Jim Marshall, 161 to 79, and Brett Farr of 297.

Wow. Real fast, here are the, here are the players that joined Devin McCordy with 200 career starts, current players. Devin 200, Claice Campbell at 204,

then Dwayne Brown at 210. We've got Mercedes-Louis at 216. Wow, Aaron Rogers. He just keeps doing it. We want him to score. score a touchdown though he's just blocking in green bay we want that touchdown then we've got aaron rogers and jason peters both at 218 matt ryan 232 and tom brady can you either you guys guess

tom brady's number 276 no 305 um i'm taking the over on 276 3277 wow and actually um i mean it's not 200 but i did see sunday night football they brought up kelse at 170 which is impressive. Just, you know, as a center in today's game and everything they ask him to do. I mean, I know we suck him awful lot, but 170 games is really impressive. Was it Deshaun Kaiser, the interview? They said that, you know, the first thing that Aaron Rogers asked him, like, you know, when you're a rookie, generally you walk in, they're like, go give me some pop-as, kid, or something like that. Aaron Rogers is like, do you believe in 9-11?

You're like, ah, this is almost worse. here's here's your here's your day one install and then also here's this informational um pack pamphlet that i printed off about 9-11 yes please study both you'll be quizzed on them the u.s senate they're all lizards you know like he's in there with a laser pointer i know but that's the best thing about NFL lockers man is like oh that never happened to me like that really no not my first uh my first day at work uh i introduced myself in like extended my hand and all the vets were like yeah i don't think i spoke a word to any of the vets for like literally three months at the time was seventh round draft pick it's like okay let's just come in here

and just shut the fuck up yeah nobody gave me a pamphlet on like uh roswell when i walked maybe we maybe we should like you know how they do like um they have like you know like when the rookies trained for like the combine and stuff they like have them around older players like tell them what to expect to go into the building let's just have have guys let's just get them trained up in conspiracy theories and shit so like they're just ready to you know come in guns blazing roger godell is going to talk to you guys at 10 a.m. this morning and then the entire cast of ancient aliens will be joining us at 11 a.m. followed by Aaron rogers to talk about chem trails do you know that like the deshaun Kaiser news broke and i was reading that in 2010

somebody alleged that he believed that you know he was he was on the chem trails thing like this this came out in 2011 like we've been we've been knowing that. this. Yeah. So, I love that. Listen, I think a lot of people think I hate Aaron Rogers or something, you know,

because they assume that the vaccine thing just made him the biggest persona non-grata in the history of the world. Like, if that were the approach I'm taking to evaluate human beings, like, I can't talk to half the people on the planet. So I really, I have no big issue

with Aaron Rogers. I think he's just very entertaining. You know what I So easy and fun to hate on, though. Yes, but he's very, he's very entertaining. It's very entertaining. Like, I'm so glad we have the postgame pressers. I'm so glad we have him on McAfee. I'm so glad he's talking about his conspiracy theories.

Yeah, and ayahuasca and everything involved. It's a fascinating peek into the mind of a. Of a Hall of Fame quarterback. Of Hall of Fame, one of the best to ever do it, you know? Yeah. I love that. I'll tell you who I'm not if I was a furry. I'm telling you who I'm not going to let hit, Poe.

That's scary. I was actually going to put Poe up there. I kind of like that as a raven. He's got that macab vibe, you know. Yeah, he does. He does. I think we rank these another day. It's kind of like the hot goth girl of the mascot.

Steely McBeam from Pittsburgh is on the DNF, the do not fuck list for the for the furries out there. And throw all the birds in there. Big red, swoop, poe, blitz, all of them. Damn, you really know your bird mascot's, really? I like, Sir Per, in the Carolina Panthers. Kind of like a metrosexual panther. He's a metro? He's metro? He's like the pink panther.

Uh-huh. Now, Sourdough Sam, 49ers mascot. That's somebody who. I like that mascot. You could get into bed with. What about the Brown's elf, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The steve-old fucker.

Yeah, the Brown. You might be up there for me. He could be up there. Rory, the Elthead, the Brownie's mascot. Brownie's got the smallest piece of any of the mascots for sure. If that fact is- He's not rocking the banana hammer. No, no, no, no, no, no.

He's got to hide that thing. I love how we, like, lay out the paw, like, shit we want to talk about. And we just end up talking about, like, hottest mascots. I mean, which mascots would you fog? I mean, Saur-no, Sam, if he was a human being, he's got, like, that butt chin, nice jaw line. And I love the... I don't know a flipper though.

I love the minor hats where it's flat on the front. It's the cowboy hat, but flat on the front. Yeah, yeah. That's good. There's also Sir Saint, the American dad looking Sir Saint. Got the big old chin. Nobody, hey, listen, the charges don't have a mascot right now. Is that true?

Boltman. Remember Boltman? Yeah. Which is too bad because Boltman was pretty bad ass. Why would they not have a mascot? I also on Wikipedia, Las Vegas Raiders, there's a guy named Raider Rusher. I'm pretty sure that's going to be Josh Jacobs on my Google image search. Yeah, Raider Rusher.

He's fucking weird looking guy. I mean, if this is, if Jackson DeVille has taught me anything, it's like, you want to put, you know, let's, let's hypersexualize these mascots. Yeah, no question. I want to see Pat the Patriot out there and like assless chats. And a G string. Yeah, with a musket, like a huge musket. It's like an elephant gun, you know? Like, let's see that.

Let's, uh, we don't need to sexualize cheerleaders anymore, you know? I don't think we need to sexualize cheerleaders at all, Bo. Well, speaking to that, did you see the male cheerleader in Carolina and Charlotte? I fly on the wall, people whose heads exploded, like the guy in the front row of the Clayton Bigsby rally on the Dave Chappelle show when they saw a male cheerleader. Oh my God. woke NFL Not in my NFL Not my NFL

Meanwhile Meanwhile like all the players are wearing pants so tight You can just see a dick playing on every player Yeah well you know not just We can't have male cheerleaders Yeah well we watch we watch football all Saturday With a bunch of male cheerleaders And then you know

You give the guy some pom-pom Sunday And a bunch of a bunch of fucking Seventh-day Adventist Just melt down probably I would imagine. Sourdough Sam. I didn't even know that was the mascot for the 49ers. Why sourdough?

Anyways. Because that's where they got the sourdough starter, man, back in San Francisco with the, I don't know, the gold rush. Okay. Oh, guys, guys, guys, bakers found the loaves they were making out in the American West had pleasant tangy taste, but why? It turned out that Sam Fran's famously foggy climate was and is the perfect environment for the Wild West yeast cells

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the ultimate daily nutritional insurance. Luke fickle to Wisconsin, Bo. How do we feel about that? Yeah, so I could go on about this for a long time. Do it. And I've been, you know, seriously. But let me, I mean, that was a tough transition there. I guess we're talking about Wisconsin with the Packers and Aaron Rogers.

But here's the thing about me. They're a tough transition. I'm a Wisconsin badger purist, you know. So I like really proud to be a badger. I love the, love the team. I love a lot of the traditions and history and kind of the way that Wisconsin does things. And usually, like, I was very upset when Wisconsin, you know, the new, so the athletic director is Chris McIntosh, Barry Alvarez, who's a legendary coach, kind of brought, you know, made Badger football into what it is. he's revered around Wisconsin, revered in Madison because he's an excellent coach.

He's a great guy. But he stepped down as athletic director, and Chris McIntosh took over. And, you know, Paul Chris, he played at Wisconsin. He's been, he played at Wisconsin in the 80s. He, you know, was an offensive coordinator at Wisconsin when I was there. He, you know, briefly was a head coach for Pitt. And then he came back to Wisconsin. So what I'm saying is he's always kind of been a Wisconsin guy.

And Wisconsin is not typically a reactionary program. So to fire our head coach, especially a guy like Paul Chris, you know, whatever, four games or whatever it was into the season, it kind of, you know, really sat with me the wrong way. And there were a lot of, you know, former Badger football players in the NFL and things like that that kind of came out in defense of Paul Chris because he is truly a great guy and a great coach. So you're sitting there, you kind of scratch your head like, okay, we fired Coach Chris four games into the season. Like, why would you do such a thing? And the answer at the time was because, you know, Jim Leonard, who's done a great job as defensive coordinator for the Badgers, you know, we've had a very, very good defense over the last four or five years. Thank God. Yeah, I know, because, you know, a brand of Wisconsin football is not sexy, but we've been successful.

And so you think that you're going to, you know, replace Paul Chris with Jimmy Leonard and, you know, he's going to kind of take the, you know, take the reins. and he's going to lead the program. So that's, you kind of justify, you know, doing coach Chris dirty because you're like, okay, well, you don't want Jimmy to go take a head job somewhere else, whether it's, you know, the Nebraska job that's open, you know, in the Big Ten. And I'm kind of getting a little long winded here, but I'm just surprised. I guess I was initially very, very surprised that, you know, the program and, you know, Chris McIntosh didn't hire, you know, Jim Leonard.

and kind of what it says to me that they're going with fickle. And I actually talk to, you know, Connor Barwin and Brent Selk and Jason Kelsey about Luke Fickle because he was in Cincinnati and they've gotten to know him pretty well. But I don't know. Here's, here are basically my thoughts. It's a little bit bit bittersweet because what it seems to me is like the end of, you know, kind of the historic Wisconsin way of doing things, which is, you know, the Barry Alvarez brand of running the football and, you know, kind of doing what Wisconsin does, not necessarily.

recruiting, you know, super flashy recruits and kind of building the program and, you know, getting guys from, you know, Minnesota, like where I'm from in Illinois and Wisconsin and then getting, you know, bigger recruits from California and Jersey and Florida and stuff like that. But what I think that this really is, is basically Wisconsin is kind of entering a new era, you know. There's so much money in football now with the N. There's so much money in it now with the TV deals and there's a lot of money in it for players too. And I think Wisconsin is trying to kind of change their approach to everything and really kind of enter this new NIL era of football. There's a new Big Ten, you know, USC and UCLA are joining the Big Ten, which is kind of strange to think about because they're, you know, West Coast teams.

When you think of the Big Ten, you think of Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan State and stuff like that. So do I like, do I think that Luke Fickle is a good hire? I do. I think he's a good head coach. He's a noseguard. I love that. You know, he strikes me as a kind of a tough guy. He's done really well in Cincinnati.

You know, he's a three, three times state champion in Ohio as a wrestler, which is kind of a tough guy thing to do. Like they take wrestling pretty seriously in the fucking rust belt. But I just, I guess I just really, really am afraid that Wisconsin is going to lose some of its identity and try to do some of these sexy things, you know, like we just redid our, you know, Camp Randall. We just did a new, we did a new South End Zone thing with kind of a VIP ticket deal. They're putting in, you know, half a billion dollars into a new fieldhouse and stadium renovations. And it just feels like part of the Luke Ficklehire, which a lot of people are saying is a slam dunk, is in response to the way that college football is trending with money and

NIL and things like that. And I've really enjoyed having ties to the Wisconsin program through Paul Chris and Jimmy Leonard and a lot of- Cutting them now. I'm not cutting them. I'm just saying like I'm hoping that, you know, some of the, I'm a proud badger, man. And to see us fucking lose the, you know, Paul Bunyan's ax and one of my favorite trophy games of all time.

Like, I'm from Minnesota. I was on Minnesota. Fuck you, dude. Well, I didn't want to tell you that. You should be happy, man. I'm happy. I'm just saying, like, I love Coach Chris. I think he's a great guy.

I think they kind of did him a little bit dirty. Like, he should have a statue outside of Camp Randall. I'm really big into that staff and kind of the Wisconsin way of doing things. It really made me a successful NFL football player. And I think Luke Fickle will, you know, bring, will, I think it's a good hire. Yeah, I mean, no. You're but hurt. It's hard because I'm not buttered.

I just am really loyal to Paul Chris. and Jimmy Leonard and I really you know I'm kind of it's a little bittersweet what if I told you they they they were eyeing this up all year you know I think that they likely were man yeah I mean like like Luke fickle on the surface it doesn't feel like a lateral move because Wisconsin's a really great program a group of five program you know the whole thing and and you know the recruiting and all that stuff is going to help and his ties to Ohio and all that stuff. It doesn't feel like a lateral move, but you would have thought Luke Fickle and no offense to Wisconsin might have waited for a bigger job.

And that's not like, but it makes a lot. Wisconsin's attractive. It is. It is. I'm just outside looking in. I just thought Fickle, it's the same way I think about Matt Campbell, who actually is being talked about for the Cincinnati job a little bit. you know,

Fickle would be a great fit for a number of reasons. You said like, hey, I'm more into building a program. We're getting, you know, I don't want to get flashy recruits.

We want to build the right way and that sort of thing. He just did that at Cincinnati. He built that program up from not nothing, but into a playoff team. And, you know,

he's been a head coach before. He replaced Tressel in 2011 as an interim coach, which seems like a long time ago. Another plus for you is he's a nose guard. Good for you, Bo. You talked about that. You know, it's a, it's a good fit with his Ohio roots, the whole thing. And I think it's a good fit for Wisconsin, Chris. It's just I, it's a changing of the guard, you know, Barry Alvarez is stepping down as athletic director. It's, it seems pretty clear that Chris McIntosh wants to kind of put his own stamp on Wisconsin football. And it, it seems like

kind of a depart. It seems like this might sound very surprising, but it's kind of a bold hire. It's just Wisconsin getting out of its comfort zone. And I thought, you know, you know this. I'll shit on JJ Watt a lot. And I'll, you know, I'll be, he had a tweet. JJ tweeted, Jim Leonard is one of the greatest and most beloved badges of all time. Really feel for him in this process. He represents everything great about Wisconsin.

At the same time, incredibly excited about the Luke Fickle of Hire and the message it sends about our goals and expectations. I just think that's a very interesting tweet from me. JJ, it's true. That's a great tweet that's very true, but it's just so safe and it just struck me as such a funny political tweet of kind of playing both sides. But at the same time, I really, I really agree with it. I just really like change, man.

You know, you, Wisconsin football doesn't like change. You don't like change in general. You don't like change in general. Like when you like to know exactly what's going on in all times, and right now it feels like as a Wisconsin guy, you don't know what's going on. But I'll tell you this, like the one thing. that I didn't and we'll play we'll play the pod off

to the song Changes Chichich changes No you got to deal with some change here So just play me off as I as I rattle this off That Luke Fickle had nine guys In the draft last year That's third behind Georgia and I think Clemson So like

To JJ's credit there's a lot to be excited about For Badger football But it's just but I'm sad. Still a little raw about, you know, Paul Chris and I do, I mean, I really think Jimmy Leonard is a great coach. I think he will be a head coach.

If not, I think he'll be a D-coordinator, you know, for an NFL football team. He's going to get a big, you know, he's going to get a big role somewhere and I will. Get over it, though. It's been seven minutes and you haven't been able to get over it. You just fucking. I told you I was going to get long winded in this.

I'm thinking a lot about that. I don't mind you've given me information, but you're just, you just jump over the fence dude it's over paul chris i'm not on they shit on paul chris they they they they burnt the bridge they fired jim leonard too they they promised jim leonard all but luke fickle is going to be a good hire for you guys and you need to get over it um oh oh we can revisit this next season but but does this make luke fickle look fickle or pat fitzgerald in a fight oh because that that that that's i like fickle man like yeah no he's I was a three-time high school state champ.

I mean, there's a lot to say that. I actually saw a tweet from Joe Thomas, Wisconsin legend. He texted Braves, Mike Vrable, and said, who wins in a fight? You or Luke Fickle, he tweeted that out. So we'll see if Braves get back. Honestly, I think the fact that Luke has a wrestling background, that's what gives him the edge.

He looks like he could go dead eyes. Yes. Sometimes, you know, where he just looks at you and be like, you're done. For sure, for sure. And that factors into my analysis. Here's an interesting thing. The last thing I'll say about Luke Fickle,

and then I want to just tell you about an article I read from Mike Sando and The Athletic about coaching changes at the NFL level. But Luke Fickle has a son. His oldest son, his name is, let's see, is it Landon Fickle? He's got two sets of twins. That's creepy. Well, he has one kid. That's a red flag.

Landon. Landon, Luca, twin sons, Aiden and Ashton. Okay. And then twin sons, Lakin and Lucan. So this is wild. Landon Fickle,

and I'm sure they have this figured out at this point, it's not like an oh shit thing. I'm sure Landon Fickle knew this was coming. But Landon Fickle committed to Cincinnati as an offensive guard out of Mueller High School as part of the 2021 recruitment class. It's one thing to get recruited in the head coach leaves, but what about when you get recruited and the head coach is your dad and he leaves.

Yeah. I'm just like, what the hell, dad? Like, give me a heads up here, man. Are you transferring?

Are you just like, yeah, I think I'll stay in Cincinnati. Dad's too. Dad doesn't give us, dad, dad does too much nine on seven. You know,

like, hey, dad, we could use a break. You know, we could use a day off. Or like his wife, his mom is in his ear.

Like, oh, what's the kid's name? Landon's a little, how about that guard? this week. Yeah, Landon's a little banged up, sweetie. Maybe we'll go half pack. Oh my God, dude. If you're landing fickle, that's got to be a tough one. Or maybe you're like, yeah, fuck yeah, get that out of here. I've just- We have this drill. We called it Badger Drill. We did it every

fucking day during camp. And it's basically just like, or it's like board drill. Remember that? Where you like line up a board and you just kind of like, it's like a toughness thing. Can you imagine Landon doing, doing Badger drill? For all that Badger drill, you're, you're not taking a good new hire real tough you know oh you're just did you like that one yeah did you like that yeah why do we move on can i talk to you about mike sando's article in the athletic and i think mike sanders does a great job i actually have some other random stuff i want to tell you about soon sure sure yeah let me just let me just get this one out like i thought i thought sandow had some really interesting things to say about the impending coaches coaching changes in the nfl you should check

if you don't read mike sando you're making a mistake um mike sando you're making a mistake um mike sando was like a Rams basically an NFC West reporter back in the day. And so I got to know him in my ears in St. Louis. And he's a great guy and a great writer. But, you know, I think it's interesting. He brings up John Harbaugh and or Jim Harbaugh, sorry. And when does he feel like he's done enough? Kind of that sort of thing.

Because he's been at Michigan a long time now. He's got them primed to make a playoff run. It feels like they're more for real than last year in some ways. The unfinished business that he cited after a brush with the Vikings in January, does that come up? The jobs that are probably going to be openings, not to mention the ones that have already opened up. Houston, I think Arizona could be one. I think Denver could be one. These were all openings that Mike Sando cited.

I mean, it would be interesting to see if Lovie Smith gets the axe after just a year with that setup. I'm sure that won't be. Was Vegas mentioned in that? Vegas was not mentioned in that. And that's interesting because it's all about the money. You know, they can't afford to fire him. So they don't have enough money. Arizona, Denver, Houston.

One guy he brought up was Sean McVeigh. Okay. So Sean McVeigh is 36. He just got married. You know, like he's done everything he could possibly do already, right? Like he won a Super Bowl. It happened fast. Could he be burnout?

Could he hit the booth? He could probably make a billion. dollars working for amazon as mike pointed out yeah and he's not going to take any uh you know helmets to the chin in the booth that's right that's right mcvay doesn't strike me as someone that's gonna i mean he seems like he loves football and he loves coaching you know i think i'd personally be pretty surprised of here to retire after this season i don't know man the the ship is you want to end on such a low note yes because there's no way out of it i i know that i know i've talked about this before the rams are like a a burning building right now. I know when I use that term, everybody's like, damn, that's so

harsh to talk about it to you. But they, they, they don't have a lot of draft capital. And like, what are you doing? You're, you're staring a reset dead in the face. If he has an easy out right now to go make a long reset too, like this is going to be a reset of, you know, maybe, maybe. But bottom line is, Sean McVeigh, if he could hop to the booth and make more money doing that and then buy it's time for the next job. The big thing is that he just signed a deal. So it's one of those things when you look at is like um you know if he wanted to come back out in a year or two somebody would have to trade for his rights and that's happened before with john gruden um you know it's not out of the question he is a proven commodity on a level um Sean Peyton's another

interesting one talking about people who are in the booth and but his rights are owned by the saints too so i think exactly exactly that's a similar exactly situation but i think i mean he's going to have a head coaching job he will and and then there's other i mean there's Dan Quinn right And everyone's talking about Kellyn Moore as well. So, I mean, it will be interesting. But Peyton. Also, D'Amico, who we've spoken a lot about on the podcast, D'Amico Rhyens from the 49ers. You know, he's kind of spearheading that great defensive, you know, unit in San Francisco.

So there are some pretty interesting, you know, new coaching possibilities. Well, it's funny. After Carolina fired rule, it was like D'Miko started, his defense played bad for a couple weeks. And people were like, damn, all eyes on Domingo Ryan, and they're not playing well. And now it's been, they haven't given over a second half point in a few weeks. They're dominating defensively. And this Sunday is going to be a lot of fun. And by the way, the Niners and the Dolphins, I looked last night at where the money was.

I think 95% of it was on the dolphins. The bets and the money. And the Niners are, so that might be one to load up on. I want to keep checking that. And that's in San Francisco. San Francisco. And so anyways, I think Sean Payton, when you talk about him, you know, people have floated the charges,

but they don't pay, for instance. That was brought up in this article. And the Rams could be a logical fit in Sando's words. But what would it take for Sean Peyton? If I'm Sean Payton, I might wait another year and hope that some fucking team fires their head coach and is going to draft Caleb Williams. Because that's what I would probably do if I was Sean Payton.

I take another year off and I try to intercept Caleb Williams. You know, I think, this is interesting. This was from Sandoz article, and I'll leave it here. Harbaugh has done a miraculous job the last two years there, an agent said, but he went into the Minnesota interview like the job was his. He was going to sign a deal and then leave. That did not sit well with Minnesota. And these owners talk once you've had the kind of.

of power Harbaugh has had at Michigan is it much harder to work in the NFL with the limitations you have there what ends up happening is when you go to the pros you're dealing with men and owners who have bigger egos than you and i agree and all that but i was kind of like urban mire almost a little bit in a way yeah but except for the fact that john jim harbaugh did a terrific job in san francisco and you know after a four-year stint you kind of rub people raw and and and vice versa a Harbaugh, I think if you're looking at, you know, the prospects of staying in college, you also have to think about NILs. You have to think about the transfer portal.

Like, yes, you've seen some control and you're kind of the king of the castle up in Ann Arbor. And it's a lot less sexy to be a pro coach in Houston, but you don't have to recruit and then re-recruit and then, you know, deal with all this NIL stuff. So that's the tradeoff is, yeah, you deal with grown men. He's done that before. And so I thought that was interesting. Another place that popped up was Indy. And the Jim Mersey-Harbaugh relationship seems entertaining, but possibly combustible.

That could be a fun one to watch. Yeah. So I don't know. We'll see. Do you think he'll be a head coach next year? I do. Yeah. I'm not positive.

It depends on the openings. But I think, you know, what he showed us in January is that he wants to be an NFL head coach again. And if he wants to be an NFL head coach again, he's going to be an NFL head coach again. I mean, I want to leave you with this depressing stat reading, and then we'll wrap this up. This was, I think, also from the Sando article. Russell Wilson, okay, most starts under 17 points weeks, one through 12 in the history of the game. This was a humbling list for Russell, and it was a humbling list for me, too. Achilles Smith, 2000,

Jamarcus Russell, 2009, Joey Harrington, 2003, and our guy, Jake Plummer, 2000. Oh, yeah, there's two more. The Rams in 2008 and the Rams in 2011. That's how I started my fucking career. So anytime you want to say you walk a mile in my shoes, you have no fucking clue.

Are there a bunch of pass rushers going off in Denver? How's that going? Okay, so, so Bulger in 2008, Bradford in 2011, we were bad in 2011. Like Sam was getting hit by a truck every time he dropped back to pass. This is, this team's better than those teams. The 2008 team, we went 2 and 14 or 1 in 15, 2011. We went 2 and 14 or 1 in 15. The Broncos are a decent team with an offense and a quarterback that just aren't.

working out. So you look at all these fucking guys. These are guys that were draft bus or people that were, you know, over the hill or, you know, people that were up against it because the offense was fucked up like Sam, I believe, you know, he was rookie of the year a couple of years before this. And then, you know, the bottom fell out because he gets hurt and people are just assaulting him. Every time he drops so like the past. Russell Wilson is supposed to be a Hall of Famer, man. One of these things is not like the other. And it makes it think he's still a Hall of Famer, though, Chris, after this season? Well, I don't. think that this season is the nail in the coffin, but if you have a couple more of these years in

Denver, even if you, even if you don't regress to the mean, even if you get halfway there, I believe it affects his Hall of Fame status. And I think eventually he probably gets in because you know how these things go. But if the second half of his career looks more like this than Seattle, I don't know how you explain to me that everything he did in Seattle is, you know, is verified. What was that exact stat most? most starts under 17 points weeks one through 12. So this could continue. You think that's what Purcell brought up to him on the sideline?

Like he's just yelling that exact standpoint. It was like Achilles Smith. Yeah. Just came with receipts, just ready. Fucking Joey Harrington, man. Yeah. Come on. We could still score 17.

Let's ride. We can get 18 booms. We're just a little north of halfway through the season. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And Achilles Smith did it for a full. season that was nine starts russell's already at eight oh my god just yeah i'm sorry reed it's all right

i'm still living off super bowl 50 that's good bond miller yeah that's good okay well um but hold on before we go you got some random stuff hit me with it every now and then chris will text me and i'll say hey you got any shows for me and that's kind of how i got you on board succession yeah you know which did you ever finish that no i did and makin would probably claim to get me on Succession. So maybe that was a team, team effort. Succession. And what about severance?

Severance was great. You're two for two. Severance is great. So I got two that I want to bring up to you right now, just because I love watching these shows. I was talking about it with Kingston a little bit. I saw Kingston tweet about it, but there are two great shows that I want to give some love that I think if our listeners haven't started watching them yet. And Chris, I think you should as well. I think Meg will enjoy them.

But Andor is on Disney. It's a Star Wars one. It's very, it's probably. probably the best show, but definitely the best Star Wars content, maybe ever, I think. Incredibly well written, very, very, very good show. Amazing score. Amazing. It's really, really good things about it.

Just ended with the finale last week. Really, I can't recommend it enough. Check it out. It's super good. So it's in the Rogue One kind of world. Cassie and Andrew, are you familiar with Star Wars Rogue One? It's probably the best Star Wars movie. Check it out, Chris.

I think you're really like it. And then another one that I was talking with the Kingston about, too, is the White Lotus. Season 2 is amazing. Okay, don't say anything because I'm going to watch that one. It's really, really good. Watch that one with Meg. It's also got a fucking banger of an intro song, which we could, you know, we could maybe throw up here. Every time we put that thing on, I really like it.

But it's really, really well acted. It's a character drama. Chris, check out some of these shows, man. The White Lotus is fucking good. Dude, season one was amazing. Andor is electric. No spoilers, but season two is better than season one. Whoa!

Yeah. Last episode blew me away. You're kidding me. And I have no one to talk about these shows with. So like, can you watch them so we can chit chat about it? Because it's fun. Yeah, making it out about White Lotus Monday morning. How many episodes in are we on White Lotus?

Five. Five. I'll watch them tonight. Dude, watch them all. I mean, they're so good. We can break down. We can break that down. break down the new White Lotus episode that's coming out at 8 p.m.

I think the guy that died in the last season at the end should come back. It's like a, you know, like... No comment. Yeah. Okay. He's just a ghost. This one's in Italy, though. It's a cool vibe.

So I want to bring that up, Chris. Check out those shows. Really, really good stuff. And then another one is the peripheral Kingston. You're on that one, right? That's kind of a deep sci-fi. Yeah. But I've been enjoying that one, too.

Thanks, Bill. It was a good... Thanks a lot, Bo. check out andor i'm serious i know you're like oh star wars it's so nerdy i don't like that that's how you guys sound watch it dude it's fucking sick the lightsabers look amazing in this one

i'm telling you it's so good he hasn't appeared in the star wars since rogue one what is the backstory i need to get on the star wars wiki oh fucking casual fucking a furry. The band diagram is not two circles. There's a little overlap between the big

Star Wars fans and the furries. Actually, there are some furries. A wookie? That's a furry, technically. But I'm more likely to fuck a, you know, a twelack. What the fuck is a twelack? All right. It's time to go. Take care.