Green Light with Chris Long - Super Bowl LIV from Miami with Dr. Oz, Boomer Esiason, Matt Patricia, & Kyle Long

Episode Date: February 8, 2020

1:20 - Martini's, Last Night and Super Bowl in Miami. 9:15 - Chris and Kyle on Super Bowl LIV. 10:30 - Chris' Steak. 12:30 - More Super Bowl LIV Talk. 17:55 - Matt Patricia. 35:13 - Boomer Esiason. 46:40 - Dr. Oz. About Chalk Media: Following the unfiltered voice and vision of Chris Long, Chalk Media is the interactive online community for you, the intelligent and humorous sports fan. Driven by access, Chalk delivers a unique perspective that cuts through the canned talking points and provides a variety of content from your favorite sports and entertainment celebrities. Here at Chalk, we don’t take ourselves too seriously, but we are rooted in challenging the perception of professional athletes. We embrace the “real” with a unique combination of humor and intelligence. Chalk is a community with a voice beyond 240 characters that brings a perspective and vibe to a traditionally brash and boastful sports media space. Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more. Nothing is off limits at Chalk - hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. 🌍🏀🏈SUBSCRIBE NOW ⚾🏒⛰️ http://bit.ly/chalknetwork Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the Greenlight Pod. We're on the road. This is much different than our usual Charlottesville set. Radio Row, Miami. Got great guests here. We're going to have Boomer Ossin. We're going to have Matt Patricia, my former coach, Kyle Long's with us. And then the home run for, I mean, how do we, we're going to get Dr. Oz. I mean, this is like, I'm going to fucking fan boy out. I can talk to Dr. Oz for an hour, but we'll have him for a couple minutes. So stick around. It would be a great show. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast, Roadshow, Antique Roadshow, a couple washed-up NFL players here. I was going to say we are, yeah. Yeah, this is Making Gunner. Oh, no, it's not. It's my brother Kyle Long.

Yes. My normal co-host is Slingin real estate back in Virginia, so I found this big-ass dude wandering South Beach. Is he healthy enough to be slinging real estate right now? Macon. Yeah, shout out to him, prayers to him. He has a bicep issue. He's got an MRI together. day so thoughts and thinking about Jamaican I'm live here from Miami where last

night I didn't realize that there were there really two units of alcohol and martini's so I thought it was true that's the text I got from Christmas morning is martini one or two drinks hey I did a thing where I do a drink log to see you know monitor my consumption I look at in the morning I'm like man this does not feel like a nine drink night beer bottle of water beer bottle of water beer bottle of water beer bottle of water. Man, for me it was, hold on. That's how it's done.

Martini, martini, tequila shop, martini, marini, poroni, corona, corona. That's my speed. Mexican beer, you know. You went from Peroni to Corona? Yeah, I was all over the globe. You were ordering Peron, you're a Corona. Peronas.

Peronas. I want a piranha. Just give me a fish. Give me a bucket of fish. Give me a bucket of piranha. I'm going to eat it. You know the worst part is, you get back to the room, and this is usually a bad sign, I assaulted the mini bar.

I just assaulted, well, it was more of the Pringles is what I was after. When you bust open the Pringles at 3 a.m. And your hands are too big, so you have to pour it? Oh, it's just, it's a low point. It's just a low point. And I woke up, I'm working on about four hours of sleep here, come down to Radio Row, because content is king. And there are people out here we've got to talk to.

We're going to have a number of great guests here today, including my brother, Kyle. Newly retired. Love it. I love to see you on this side. I'm on hiatus, so you never know. Yeah, we all never know. But good luck getting uncomfortable again. I'm just telling you, one fallout,

there was a time where I was like, yeah, I'm going to come back, I'm going to go play for the Eagles, or I'll go play somewhere else. No, there's no shot of me playing ever again. Once you spend multiple months out, it becomes really hard. You don't realize how uncomfortable you were for so long.

I would say you don't realize how good life is until you're out of football. It's the biggest, the joke's on us. Shit. The jokes on us. I did this my entire 20s, like the prime of my life. Now it's all downhill from here.

Yeah. And I'm just getting a taste of what normal life is like. So we got a number of guests today. I know we have Boomer Ascison coming on. That'll be good. He's here with hummus. I love hummus. You know, the guys got their partnerships, right?

Their sponsorship partnerships. I was here yesterday with Narcan. That was a really good, really good partnership for me, because I really believe in what they're doing. Boomer evidently believes in hummus. I believe in hummus. My son Whalen loves hummus. So we'll give Boomer a chance to plug Sabra Hummus

and talking about the Super Bowl. Boomer played in 88. People forget about that game. He drove him right down the field before Montana took over and he had won the game for him until the Niners' offense. It's unfortunate how history chooses to remember things. Yeah. And how close things are from being massively different in the history books.

And I know the Bengals have. like sort of a tour of your fan base, but if you're a young Bengals fan, you might not remember those golden years where, I mean. It's probably worth a watch. Get on YouTube, go check it out. Go check it out. There's some good old footage. And by the way, they had some fire uni's in the 80s.

I'm always talking about uni. Well, the Anthony Munoz. Oh, I saw him yesterday. The nicest guy met yet. Who's the coolest dude you've seen here? Anthony, because you see him across the room as an offensive line, an offensive tackle. And I'd say, that's one of the goats. not the goat. And he has an aura. And then he walks up to you and you get twisted fingers on your arm.

Yeah, just like, hey, buddy. And he's like, Kyle. Yeah. Yep. Hey, soft spoken. And the funniest thing was when I was at the Pro Bowl with dad, maybe before you were born, but actually it was probably like 88 or 90 or something. So it was right around when you came into the world and, you know, got spawned in a ball of lightning like Terminator. Yeah. I got stuck on an elevator with Anthony Munoz's family. He told me that story. over 45 minutes they said. Yeah, it felt like forever. You know, third floor in Hawaii, claustrophobic.

This is before cell phones. Yes. I'm three years old. I'm terrified. His wife told me the story. Yep, yep, yep. So that was the coolest person you saw. Yep.

You probably, or number two, you're a pretty cool guy. Oh, thank you. You're hard. Anybody who wears a denim jacket like this with the shades on the neck. Pretty cool. I'm pretty damn cool now. Top 10 cool. I showed up.

My boy Zolak from New England. If you know Zolak, Zolak's got the shades on for another reason because he's been out. Well, I guess I could use that excuse this morning, but Zolak had the shades on unapologetically here yesterday on Radio Row. The entire day, making content with shades on it. That's great. So what's your policy on Shades Indora at Radio Row? It crossed my mind because all these bright lights, I had LASIC last year, so my eyes are sensitive to light. And if I were to wear these, I'd be the content creator.

You can shine all the lights in the world at me. The smallest violin for your LASIC. How did the early settlers do it? You know, without LASIC? It must have been tough. It must have been. Actually, it would have been tough. Can you imagine if you couldn't get like contact lenses back in revolutionary wartime?

You had to go hunt to get your stuff. You couldn't even see what the fuck was going on. So we're going to talk about the game today. We're going to talk about a couple issues that arose last night. I took some notes. This is, I'm in total. My life is in shambles. You took notes on the issues that arose last night.

I'm not going to show you. You have a lot of notes. Do you eat there's... I saw you this morning. Here's what the notes read. Do you eat olives in your martini? I don't order martini. If you were to eat, like, the folks off set here.

Back behind the camera, okay? I eat a martini is it acceptable to eat the olives? Sometimes it's why I order a martini. So guys are saying that's why they order a martini. That makes me feel a lot better because I couldn't tell... I'm not going out with those guys. I couldn't tell if I was a moron or not. You know, they say don't put a lemon in your water.

It's the dirtiest thing at a restaurant. I'm sure the olives aren't far behind. The shell. But I'm chopping them down. The bone on the lemon. Big. What up, baby? Good to see you. The bone on the lemon. How you doing, man?

Welcome to the Green Light Pod. Friend of the program here. Look at him walking by. There you go. Baker, Baker, Baker. Nice shirt. You missed it. I called the lemon skid, the bone of the lemon, by the way.

Oh, I missed that. The dirtiest part. He's pretty cool, though. He's pretty cool, though. He's cool. And I think he's going to have a really good year next year. Do you know he lives at the stadium? Baker, yeah, I've seen it on TV.

It's crazy. By the way, great actor. Yeah. Great actor. Tremendous. Really is. Like, terrific. But I think he's going to have a good year next year.

And I think that I think we're to find out real quick in Minnesota. We're going to find out in Minnesota that, you know, whether it was DeFansky or Kubiak or, you know, if it was Kirk that had all that passing game success this year. I actually like the hire there in Cleveland. You know, I'm like everybody else. I want to see B. Enemy get a job. But if it wasn't him, Stefancy's not a bad hire.

He has paid his dues. I know he's got that young face. But he's been in the league. He's the longest tenured Vikings coach, the guy who just came from the Vikings to be the head coach in Cleveland. So the martini thing is settled. You can eat the olives. Do you eat bar nuts?

Yes, I eat bar nuts. Yeah, same as when they hand you the hot nuts on the plane. It's like, thank you. Those hot nuts. on the plane, like after two batches of them, I'm totally over. 10 out of 10, my favorite thing on the plane. Warm, warm.

You're bougie, flying first class. Also, you didn't go out last night, so you're feeling pretty fresh and good. Yeah, I haven't been out yet. Just playing video games in the room? No, just hanging out, man. I walk around, get some food. I like being in the warm air.

It's nice, but then I get to bed early. Go look at the manatees. Yell at some animals. See animals. Who do you like Sunday before we get into some of the other? I like San Francisco a lot. It's their complete team. It's hard to pick against Patty Mahomes.

But you just did it. He's the best quarterback in the league, but when you have the most complete team in the league, that often trumps it. Supercedes it. I saw it with the Eagles a few years ago against the Patriots. Yeah, we were a better team. And a defensive front that was dominant. Yeah, that was a good deal.

And you may know a little bit about that storyline, but, you know, That's why I'm picking the Niners. As an offensive lineman, I know how much of an issue, a tremendous defense can cause to an entire game plan. And, you know, as good as we were in that Super Bowl, we got run through like, you know, what did they say, shit through a goose? What do they say? But it happens. Yeah, I mean, 4133, we want a shootout. But you had enough.

Yeah, we did enough. We made one play when we had to. And I think that's what's going to have to happen. And your lockdown coverage on the reverse swing pass to bring. to Brady was exceptional. People forget. You're like a safety. You're like a blanket.

Richard Sherman. I am like an old white Richard Sherman. I mean, and I play man all the time. I know there's been some man's own conversation. Oh, I know. I was in manned up on Tom Brady. Yeah, Chris. Another thing I noticed in my notes last night, I got made fun of.

I went out to dinner with Ryan and Big Cat, right? So I cut my steak up. Did you see this? Did you just name drop two of the biggest media members? It's going to be, we're medium, Miami. We're media moguls now. Oh my God.

So look at this steak here. For the people out there. I saw it. It grossed me out. Your element. Is that your steak or Ruclos? So people, can they see this on the camera? And people listening out there, this is my steak last night at quality meets.

People were making fun of me because I cut my fucking steak up before you did. Why do you do that? I'm 34 years old. Nobody's ever complained about this. No, no, but I didn't ask how old you were. I said, why do you do that? Because I want to eat my fucking steak. I don't want to wait.

take a bite, cut, take a bite, cut, take a bite, not my thing. I want to eat the steak. Is this weird? I feel like I'm talking to Joe Goldberg from you. I don't get the reference. Which is the thriller murder mystery that I've been watching recently and you have some of these tendencies. Somebody did call me a serial killer for cutting my steak up. It's weird.

Do you all cut your steak before you? You cool your steak off quicker. You cool your steak off quicker. the juices go out, there's a litany of reasons to keep your steak uncut. I bet everybody would criticize me if I just picked the fucking thing up and started gnawing on it, too, you can't win. It's the same thing they say when you get a deep dish pizza in Chicago, do you want to cut or uncut? Overrated.

And they say, keep it uncut. Well, everybody's got opinions. It's okay. I'm not a deep dish pizza guy. But they do ask you, do you want to cut or uncut because, and I always say cut, and they're like, ah, you're not a purist in the same sense as I just want to eat the pizza. I want to be prepared. Yeah, so I'm not a curious when it comes to the steak.

And that's okay. Best pizza place while we're on it in Chicago. Shout somebody out. Local for me, Farentinos in Lake Forest, they always take care of me. Of course they do. They always take care of me. If I go to Farentinos, will they take care of me? Well, they'll be on time with your order, yeah.

That's the way they do it. Okay, good. So my read on the game Sunday bouncing around here, initially I was on the over. That number's been sitting at like 55. I kind of got talked out of the over. I think it's actually due to the fact that I think both teams do really well limiting big plays. I do think Spaggs is going to sell out to stop the run and make Jimmy G beat them, but I still think that big plays are going to be hard to come by.

I think it's actually going to be a relatively lower scoring game than you think. A lot of nerves. Defenses usually show up in Super Bowls. I think even with the offensive minds that are calling plays and have two weeks, respectively to plan, I think the defenses will play better than you think, even on the Kansas City side. So I'm like in Kansas City, let's say 29, 27. I've got a way of thinking about it where it's like the defenses are going to be the unsung heroes. And I think that with turnovers comes more points. I was thinking of the under as well. Yeah. But if there are

turnovers and there are forced mistakes, then it could sudden changes. I've been on a team before with not a great offense, but put up 50 points like that because of sudden change. Right. As you alluded to, defenses. But I'll go. Did you just take a shot at your Bears' offenses? In the past, yeah. I'm joking.

Yeah, I did. I'm not falling apart from my take, but I would say San Francisco, 3528. Okay. 3531. Okay, okay. Did you hear the crazy, eerie, I did this. on the pod the other day. We'll see if I can actually remember it. The similarities between the 94 team that won a Super Bowl right here in Miami at Joe Robbie Stadium. Steve Young, Jerry Rice,

beat the Chargers up. It's an easily forgettable Super Bowl, not competitive. And then this year's team, you got a Shanahan calling the plays on both teams. You've got two big acquisitions at the linebacker and defensive backfield spots in Ken Norton, Jr., through trades, and Dionne Sanders. You got Kwan Alexander, Richard Sherman. You have two quarterbacks who are backing up Hall of Famers in Steve Young and Jimmy Garoppolo. And they're two of four. Let me see if I can stick the landing to win a Super Bowl as backups and be back as starters. So there's like a ton of eerie, eerie similarities between the two teams.

You're going to have to write that down. That's my Russ Cole moment. Like we did your Russ Cole board at the podcast studio, but we're going to have to do that again. Yeah, yeah. So that's kind of all I got on the game. Otherwise, like, I'm just trying to survive down here. I'm thinking we talk about the over red. Too much red.

I feel like I'm in a Lannister, like, self-suck party. It's too much. I'm getting confused on the teams, et cetera. Okay, let me pose this question to you. Who's the scariest de-linement on the field? You're an offensive lineman. You played seven years in the league. You've seen them all.

In this game? In this game. When healthy, the biggest problem is Chris Jones. I agree. When healthy. Why is he so good? Because the combination of his get-off, his strength, and his physicality, and he's so long. People don't get how long he is.

He's a tall motherfucker. And he's a big kid, he's competitive. Yeah, he's really competitive. You know what I like about him is he wins at the line. As twitchy as he is, he's very laterally. I mean, like, he'll drop people. It's not like he has blockers hanging on him when he picks up his sacks. Yes.

He's going to win right now, and he's just super disruptive. And because obviously, he has a plan. He has a plan. A guy that I did not know too much about coming out of Mississippi State. That's where he went school, right? And it's funny because... Mississippi State, Chris Jones? It's funny because guys like Chris Jones and Fletcher.

Yes. you see them and you say I have to gear up for a heavyweight fight and the next thing you know they're doing lightweight shit yeah lightweight stuff oh I can't tell who's who look at this guys welcome to what's up my brother where's my guy what's up my brother's how we drew he's supposed to be sitting right there yeah these guys are related what's up dude let's go oh we wear the same shirt we're twins that means we're born at the same time who cares I'm over it born together how long you're going to Talk about that fucking gimmick. Big deal. We staggered.

We both have beards. We were born different years. What the fuck? Who cares? We're brothers too. Great dudes. The McCordy's. The McCordy's are great dudes.

The biggest smart asses. But like literally the twin thing is fucked up because I played with Dev and one time his brother, Jason like showed up to this meeting at the league office and I went to dab him up like it was Dev. And he smiled big. He's like, you don't know who I am. You don't know which one I am, do you? And for a second, I didn't know.

That's got like a moron. In junior high, I dated an identical twin, and that was a crazy experience. Don't name drop. Don't talk. I won't. But I dated an identical twin, and it was, as you get to know them more, and it was briefly. How was junior high dating? For me, very awkward. I sounded like this.

Everything was weird. Yes. Yes. Yes, here you sit in the middle. Guest of honor. Forget about it. Now we're talking about it. Guys, guys, for the people listening, yeah, I'm Mike, so you get the people listening,

we're not even going to break here to talk to Maddie P. Matt Patricia, head football coach of the Detroit Football Lines. Guys got some nice chairs. These are, this is a good setup. We're comfortable people. And formerly, you know, my D-Cordinator in New England, we want to ring together. We did. Special fucking year.

Yep. And wear of comfortable shirts. Yeah. Tomahama, is that? It is, it is. I like, you know, I need some room. I'm not the, I'm not the in shape guys. I don't really, I don't have that going from me right now.

The beard is, yeah, that's my diet program. So I pretty much. Yeah, I let it grow as wide as possible. I put it on about 60 pounds during the season. And then when I trim it down, I was like, God, you look great. You lose weight. I was like, yes, I did. I said that to you.

I said, you look overproduced. I said, you look like great. And you go, nah, dude. I'm not, you close. I'm like a biscuit away from like not making it. So one of my favorite coaches. just here, Maddie P as my mic falls off. Hey, let me ask him a question.

Why do you fix that? Yeah, ask him a question of NFC. Because one of the things that I want to pick people's brains about is you've had a unique opportunity to hang out both of us at work. Yes. Together. Joint practices. Yes.

Can you talk a little bit about what that was like? Yeah. Seeing one of your guys and his brother. I thought it looked like kind of like, you know, a 12 year old and a 10 year old in the living room trying to wrestle. That's kind of what it looked like. to me right there. Because that was one of my favorite

trying. Trying. It was. You know what? Here's the thing. You're much more vocal all the time. Yeah.

But when you finally go vocal, you're much more pissed. You're like, it's like serious. Yeah, yeah. So obviously there was those points where, you know, and knowing your dad,

your dad came in, yelled at you, and then when dad left, you yelled at him because it was his fault. Like, you could see that dynamic. I did.

I got blamed for everything. He would break a lamb and I would get ground. And then you would take it out of him later. And then I'm blaming mom and dad. And he's the favorite, Matt. He's the favorite. I mean, listen, I know how that works.

Yeah. I got that. I have a sister. I have two sisters, our middle sister. So you're not the favorite? Absolutely not even close. When I was born, it was like, it was. No, she was in Phantom of the Opera.

Like, it totally blows me. You know, I don't even have a chance. Okay. I was like take out the garbage. The sister was in Phantom of the opera? Yeah. Like the show, the big show. Yeah, like 20.

Not the minor. Yeah. No, she was on tour with the show. She was out of Broadway for like 20 plus years. Yeah, it was amazing. way tougher than, I don't know offense, but most of the guys have coached. She's like, she's a ballerina. No doubt about it.

That's amazing. That's insane. I didn't know. I didn't know about that. The first thing I wanted to ask you about, well, first of all, that joint practice was fucked up because I beat him on a stunt. Totally. Did you see, remember what I beat him on stun?

He whipped his big treat. Yeah. He cracked my rib. Yep. Yeah. I mean. You cracked my rib. Over nothing.

See, that's what I'm saying. There was more than just a practice. That was not over nothing. That was something that happened. That was so much fun for us. Yeah. 10 years ago. Two minute drill.

It was. It was. The only thing I remember is when you guys were walking on the field, I was mad. So I put the seven-man sled out. And I was like, we're hitting the seven-man. I don't care. I remember your coaches walking off going, what? Yeah.

After they made us run hills? I was like, I don't run. Never. Don't make me run. Oh, that hill. That hill. Which is not difficult. That hill was not difficult.

It was just fucking annoying. It was a mind. It was just more like, we really got to go to it. It's cold. And I got to really get outrun by Shaq Mason every time. And Bill, you should stand at the top of the hill and go, Shaq! Yeah.

How many times did Bill just say, Shaq? Every time. Shaq never lost. Never lost. But that's why he's really good. There might be a hill in Detroit. There might be a hill. You got to find one.

I might already have one. I hear there's a hill in Chicago. They built one. That's the rumor. I built one in Detroit. You're going to build a hill. I already did. I never ran it.

Okay. I never ran at ours. So the Bears-related content here, indirectly, one of the biggest things I remember about that Super Bowl run, and I love this. I talk about it. At the end of camp days, I just want to go the fuck home. Everybody knows players want to go home.

It's 10 at night. This dude would keep us late. I'd be like, Matt, what the hell are we doing? And then we turn on this video of the 85 bears. And it was like, and I'm getting chills thinking about it. Yeah, yeah. Perspective. But we used to sit in camp and Matt used to say, this is the goal here.

We want to be like the 85 bears. Of course, we were the number one scoring defensive league. And we had a badass group. But I also thought that we, the summer. of our parts was better than you know like yeah how were they say it i mean i don't think we had any superstars we just were all like we were a good team yeah everybody working together but we watched that that chicago bears uh that thing where did you find it was the 30 for 30 special yeah you know it just it was something that i watched that it really resonated with me and but i thought

what was great about it as much as you know the great team and all teams are different but i always think the perspective of players that have played that have been on championship teams and you listen to those guys mike singletary you listen to those guys you listen to those guys guys talk about, you know, what it meant to them and, and, you know, Hampton or, you know, talking about coming out of the tunnel and listening to the crowd. I just thought it was something for us at that time that was like, hey, don't forget, like this is going to go by really fast. And we've got something special.

We got to build on it. Let's, let's appreciate it. And let's be that. And the brotherhood. And the brotherhood is the number one thing. You can still feel it in the interviews. Tangible. That's what I was going to say.

Yeah. And it's something I, you know, I said, you guys. the night before the Super Bowl. I said, you know, when you win this game, you know, you're bonded for life. And it's true. You know, I've been on, unfortunately, I've been on the ones that have lost. And those are great teams and I love those guys. But when you walk off that field and the confetti's coming down and you're crying and you're telling grown men around you, you love them, and you mean it and the sacrifice that everybody went through to be there, you can call me anytime and you know this. Yeah, that's the way it is. I'll do anything at any time

for you. And likewise, that's the way it is. And that's what happens with those teams. And that's what's so great. I saw LANDR yesterday. I saw Hero. Yeah. You run into guys you hadn't seen in years. And you don't even have to win a Super Bowl, but, you know, it just enhances that, that brotherhood where you'll always be together.

Yeah. You know, and so that run, I mean, everybody remembers 28 to 3. When I signed an autograph for a Pat's fan, I write 283. Yep. It's like one of my favorite things. But there were moments in there through the year that I'm sure you remember that were less heralded moments. What do you remember about the year? Were there moments that were under the radar, turrets?

points for us that that stuck out? Yeah, that's a great question too. I mean, I think there's always points in the season where things get going and I'm like, okay, here we go. Like, you know, it's about to light, you know, it's about the light and fire. It's about to go, yeah, and you just, you had that confidence about it and it's usually

right around Thanksgiving, you know, and we have a couple of those games where, you know, it's not great, but when everybody walks back in the building on, you know, Monday or whatever it is, it's, no, no, we're, that's not gonna happen again. And that was, you could. You guys did that. Yeah.

I mean, like, that was what I liked about what Bill did, and I wonder if you do this in Detroit, is, you know, having everybody in the meeting room so they get it at the same time. Yeah. And everybody's on the same page. That was very unique. And I'm talking about, of course, Mondays for people that didn't play in the league. And Kyle, you know this from having different coaches. Not every coach, you know, hits you square in the forehead with it on Monday.

Some teams don't have team meetings. So I thought that was really cool. I mean, anybody could get it in that meeting. I used to be sitting up there with my ass so tight. Like, don't let it. be me. You want to be the guy at the end that says now we're going to watch this guy from the game. Bill wasn't doing this guy. Bill wasn't doing too much of the high lights. More low lights. So the one guy that last year that I watched on film and that was Alan Robinson, I couldn't even

tie my own shoes last year. It's embarrassing. You put the film on and that's a guy I can speak to without putting other people down. Alan Robinson, he's a man. He's unbelievable. And you know, I remember him from even before. You know, playing against him in the A. and just unbelievable player and every week you put that tape on. But the same thing as far as walking into those team meetings, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, saying, all right, fellas, look, this is what we got to do. And just being able to spell that out. So you could be a defensive player, but if you're listening,

you're going to know exactly what the offense needs to do. It helps. That's what Bill's at. You learn football. Like, I knew football. But there's a difference. And I always say this about Bill. And the reason, and people ask me why he's the greatest.

Listen, like, me and Bill didn't agree on everything. Like, that's what working in the NFL is like. but he's the greatest head coach of all time. And I believe that because he can walk around the building and coach the positions as well as every position coach. Save for SCAR. Save for SCAR is unbelievable too. And he's probably one of those guys that's walking away, huh?

That's like the most underrated assistant coach in the history of the game. I mean, he's probably the best offensive line coach in the history. And he's one of those guys that's just always under the radar. And I worked on that side of the ball for two years. obviously assistant, O line coach, and learning from him, you know, it's just, it's just real. It's that comprehensive knowledge that you need to be a head coach. Is that the hardest thing about being a head coach is now, like, what surprised you about like, damn, I have that responsibility now? Yeah. You know, not every head coach does, you know, does that. You know,

some head coaches stay on their side. I enjoy that part of it. I enjoy being, you know, in every room. Involved. Yeah. Talking offense, talking special teams, talking defense, or, you know, certainly I've been trained to look at it from both perspectives. So I'm going to walk into the office, be like, hey, look, they got this blitz check. They're going to here. But if we do this, this and this, like they don't have an answer for it. You know, and it's just sometimes, from my perspective, I can help those guys out and just give them some advice.

The culture, you know, you know, there's always that fine line because like when the New England thing, when you leave New England, people are like, is he going to be Bill? Is he going to act too much like Bill? I think you've got a great mix of Bill and yourself. I mean, you know, everybody acts like who they, to a degree, like who they learn from. I don't think it's a bad

thing. Like, were you cognizant of like that challenge? If I got to be me, but I got to bring that culture that we learned in New England. And how have the guys helped you translate that? The guys you brought over. Yeah. You know, and I think that's the hardest part is instantly when you are around one place for so long, they tag you as that's who you are.

Yeah. You know, that's not me. Like, I'm still me. I'm going to be my personality. And, you know, you guys in the defensive room, you see that. And, you know, doesn't mean I'm not fired. Doesn't mean I'm not fiery. Doesn't mean I don't want to wait.

Doesn't mean I'm not intense. Different ways to be in intense. me but I do believe in what we were taught there. I do think that that's where you got to start. And I think what's been neat for me now going into year three is that we're building the Detroit Lions. We're not building New England. So for us, it's about, all right, here's our foundation. This is what we're going to believe in the first couple of years. How is it grown? And now the guys that we have. And really, the great players that were there, you know, Matthew Stafford, we're building around him. You know, he's already. Yeah, he's an hell of a player.

Unbelievable. Great dude, too. Unbelievable guy. Amazing, amazing, amazing person. You know, great player that are appreciated in the league. Yeah. Totally unappreciated. Totally unappreciated. And everything he does off the field and as a teammate and its toughness, I mean, like, it's unbelievable. So we build around that.

But we have a foundation and principle we believe in. And, you know, we're bringing guys in. We're building the guys that are there. And, you know, I really enjoyed coaching the team because I know, like, we didn't have a great year, but I thought our team fought hard. Good team, though. I think they played their, like you guys, when we talk about like, and I'm always pulling for you guys. There were just bad breaks early and every team has them, but

guys are close, man. And how hard is that, you know, to keep a team that's having this bad luck happen and keep their heads up and not like, how do you walk the fine line of getting in their ass when you need to, but building them up? Yeah, it's a great, great question. I mean, but you have to have that compliment because you can't ignore the bad football. You've got to make sure you address it from that standpoint. You coach it and teach it. But I think the guys are real receptive to that. I think the bigger thing for us was And, you know, really, I know the situation I walked into, and we haven't had success in a long time. But it's just that mindset of like something bad happens and it's like, oh, here we go again.

And I'm like, no, no, no, here we go again. Like, I don't care what happened before. This is what we're going to be. And we got to push through that and forget about that. And that's what we're trying to get to. And, you know, hopefully we can build for that one next year. How's my boy Dola? He's great.

I mean, he's the same 1,000 miles an hour. He did he all the time, all the time. And I love him. I absolutely love him. And just it was a pleasure to be around him again just because you know the energy, you know the demand that he creates. And I really think he helped the guys that we had. You know, Kenny and Marv are great players. And Danny brings a whole new level of intensity.

And I think those three, like, they just fed off. Absolutely. Absolutely. Coach, you got 32 team battle royale. One player from each team shows up. Who's your contestant? And who do you think league wise? leaves the room.

Wow, that is an awesome question. That is an awesome question. Okay, Battle Royale. And how would I submit them? Yeah, yeah, no, there's no doubt. I mean, I think we can put Stafford out there, and he's not going to tap out. He would be willing to, yeah.

And he's not going to tap out. So, you know, you're going to have to just completely, completely get him out. I know it wouldn't be Aishon. In the league. In the whole league? Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald's a guy who, yeah.

He's got leverage. When Aaron Donald grabs you, it's like, you feel like it's a bear. That's a real little bear. It's a little bear. It might be a cub, but it's a fucking bear. There's probably an offensive lineman somewhere, though, that you just know in the end. I like snacks. Snacks?

Snacks is he can handle a lot in there. He can hold his own. What's up? For our team, he's just a monster. He's, well, I coach him too. Yes. Yeah. And he's great.

I forget that. Yeah. Yeah. He came to us. He knows how to. pissed me off. I mean, that's kind of part of his job. Yeah. You know, just to get you going a little bit. Oh, they pissed each other off. Before I let you go, Maddie P, give me one reason why Detroit is an underrated city because I think a lot like Philly, okay, like they're not the same, but when I came

to Philly, you hear all this bullshit and it's my favorite place. Absolutely. So tell me about Detroit and why it's underrated. You know, I think obviously, you know, you get the one vision of what it is, but it's not, you know, and you get out into the different areas of Detroit or you go to the areas downtown where the stadiums are, and, you know, it's amazing. The reason I love it, and you guys know this, I love blue collar. I just love grinded out, hard work, you know, people that aren't afraid to roll up their sleeves and go. And that's what the city is. And that's what I relate to.

You know, it's amazing is, you know, I'm rolling the work. It's like 3.30 in the morning. I'm, like, trying to get to the office. And I'm like, well, all the cars doing on the road, like, you know, because I'm half awake. Detroit people. To travel. Yeah. They're going to work.

They're like hitting third shift. And they're, you know, and you get in that. And you're like, oh, they're working? All right, I'm going to work. Let's go. We're all going to work right now to get better. And it feels good when you're playing in a city that matches the tone that you're trying to suck on the team. No doubt.

I think they relate to it. Well, I'm rooting for you guys, man. It's one of my few favorite teams now. Maddie P. Thanks for joining. Thanks for joining. Yeah, great to see you guys. One of my favorites.

You guys are the best. I appreciate you. Love you, buddy. Man. Like you, man. Yeah. Yeah. You tell my guy 9-1, what up?

I will. I will. He doesn't like me much. Oh. Hey Sean Robinson. Oh, yeah, yeah. See you, bud. Thank you so much.

Yeah, yeah. Fun. Yeah, appreciate you. Yeah. You take it off the next one. Yeah, okay, cool. Get out of here, Coach. See you out of camera.

Go pack a dip. Appreciate you, buddy. Thanks a lot. Okay. So that was Matt Patricia. Dude, he's the fucking coolest. He's a lot of fun to play for. He's going to work you hard.

You're going to work your ass off. It's coaches like that that make me so glad I'm done playing because I know he just demands excellent. Listen, I'd love to go drink a beer with Maddie P. I'd do it anytime I could, but to go to go back to practice and have Maddie P yelling at me. I mean, as fun as it was, he's a tough coach. And you know what? He gets the most out of his players. I think if Matt can stay healthy, I worry about, you know, that shoulder stuff. But if he can stay healthy and they continue to build, they get the run game going, they're not going to be bad.

Because as you look at the NFC North now, you're just retiring. It is up in the air. You can speak a little more freely. Like there's a lot of moving parts. Yeah, you don't know who's going to be where, what's going to be what. And honestly, with the things you're alluding to, with the progress that Detroit made under Matt Patricia, it's only a matter of time before Detroit is one of those spots in the NFC North that's in the running for it every year. Right, absolutely. No, I mean, you know, if you're in Green Bay, you wonder how much longer A-Rod wants to do it.

You know, they've also got issues defensively in Green Bay. in Green Bay. You know, if you're in Chicago, there's issues there. I'm not going to make you speak on those. You know, if you're in Minnesota, you know, you've got coaching changes happening. Stefansky leaves. You know, you thought their window is kind of right now, so it's a win now thing for them and you've got limitations that you might worry about with Kirk. So Detroit, you know, it's it's high time for them to make a move. Joining us here on the Green Light Road show down in Radio Road Super Bowl, Miami is one of my favorite guys. Obviously a legend 14 year career. Yes. Four-time pro bowler,

Clayton Super Bowl, legend and also a childhood friend of me and Kyle's. Kyle's here too. Childhood friend. Yeah. How about childhood friend? Who's the best babysitter? The best babysitter.

Yeah, I visited your parents, and the three of you, Howie Jr., of course, all assaulted me on your couch, and your dad was laughing, and your mom was mortified. Yeah, well. I'm like, what the hell?

I mean, this was like, you were the oldest, so you had to be about six. Yeah. You were probably about four. Two or three probably. Yeah, but he looked like you're still five. And Little Howie was like all over me.

And it was like a madhouse. Boomer's like, you were about nine, you were about three. He was a big ass toddler. Yes, he was. He's still a big ass toddler. You know what's amazing? So Lil Nas X just comes walking through here. And you're like, who's this guy with the cowboy at?

And I'm like, is he serious? That's Lil Nas X. A boomer, okay boomer. So that's a constant. He okay. We got okay boomer. Because you did okay boomer. You think it okay, boomer.

Who the hell is this guy in the cowboy? He goes, nah's X. I'm like, oh, okay. And I was like, who was, oh, Lil Nasix, rodeo or whatever. So you're here with hummus. Yes. Let's talk about hummus. All right, Sabra hummus.

So I'm in a Super Bowl commercial because I think your dad wasn't available. Yeah. So they needed somebody. So it's interesting. Your dad and I have the same agent as you do, as you know. Yeah. So Steve Rosner calls me and says, hey, do you like hummus? I said, yeah, I love hummus.

He doesn't like hummus. And then he says, do you want to do a Super Bowl commercial for Sabra Hummus? I'm like, now I really love hummus. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I got to be a part of a super bowl commercial. bowl commercial. I'm one of about eight or nine different people personalities that are in it.

So I have about a five or six second a little bit in it, but I'm also in it because of my age, because I'm the OK boomer generation. So we got to bring the boomers into the hummus game? Of course. My son loves hummus. Wayland, my three-year-old. Big hummus fan. He'll eat a bowl of hummus and no other food for dinner. I'm like, that's all he accepts. He only accepts hummus. So look, it's all about keeping relevancy. So for me, uh, being a place. part of this and I'm in it with Charlie DeMaleo, who's a TikTok influencer. TikTok, now you're dropping more millennial knowledge.

That's me, man. I know what's going on. So she's about 15, I think she's 15 years old. I saw, I've checked out a few of the TikTok videos. She's got a couple that have like four and a half million views. And so the, it's really, it's about the dichotomy of her, being the young and the TikTok generation, and me, the OK Boomer, part of the commercial.

So it's great. Well, I love it. I love hummus, and I love seeing my guys. So you played in the Super Bowl and it was here in Miami. Yes. But you played in the Super Bowl and he was here in Miami in the 80s. Yes, different. So, like, what are the differences? Do you imagine these guys getting ready?

You see Radio Row. You see probably their schedule, you know, what they can and can't do and what guys were doing in the 80. Dude, you've been through this, man. Man, I'll tell you, we had a problem in the 80s because Miami was basically under lock and key. There's a portion of Miami called Overtown that was going through riots. It was a whole thing with the police and a killing and a shooting.

And it was ugly. And we were staying at a hotel right across the street from that part of the city. And I'll never forget the police chief telling us, look, whatever you do, don't make a left out of the hotel parking lot. Make a right if you want to go to the beach. Because it wasn't like this. And it was the first year of that stadium that was called Pro Player Stadium or Joe Robbie Stadium. I think it was first open.

And it was raining and all that other stuff. We also had a player who was suspended the night before the game. Stanley Wilson, who was our starting fullback, had been suspended three times because of drug use. Our head coach Sam Weish found him in his hotel room because he was missing from the night before meeting. And Sam was always a prankster and a little bit of a jokester for us to try to cut the edge off of things. He then comes back to our meeting and he's crying. And we're all wondering if he's just playing us. And then he said, guys, I have some bad news.

and then he said Stanley. And as soon as he said Stanley, we all knew he was talking about Stanley Wilson, our former teammate. And he said, Stanley's not going to play tomorrow. He's in bad shape right now. And it looks like we've had a relapse,

something along those lines. So Sam then took the coaches out of the team meeting room the night before the game to go discuss with the coaches. And I'll never forget my dear teammate, my dear friend Chris Collinsworth, who was on the previous single Super Bowl team

in 83. stands up before the team like a leader. Now, wide receivers are not leaders. I don't know how you guys feel about that, right? Do you have the same voice? Did he have the broadcast voice when he was... No, he had a higher voice at that time. But he was a great teammate, a great teammate, and a great player.

If you look at him now, you'd never know that. Right, you know, people think about it. It's like my dad now or you being on TV a bunch. Some people don't even know... That we're players. It's crazy. Yeah. It's crazy.

So he gets up in front of the team like a leader. Like your dad. You could see your dad doing this, like pulling his pants up and getting in front of us and everything as my microphone falls down. It's all good. This show is totally fucked up anyway. It doesn't matter. Yeah, you guys are kind of effed up. Yeah.

So Chris Collins stands up in front of us. Guys, we got to win this one for Stanley. And the whole team was like, what? We're winning for Stanley. He's not even here anymore. I always felt bad about it because I always felt like we were on borrowed time with Stanley. And he was such a big part of our run game and our offense and our special teams that he, it turned out to hurt us at the end because we had about three, third down and about three or fours that normally we would make. And we didn't make those in this game.

Right. So we missed it. So that was my memory of the Super Bowl 23 down here in Miami. Right. Which wasn't a great memory. It's hard for players, man. And when I was in the Super Bowl, there were two times. One, I was in Houston playing for New England.

But we were, we were lucky to have a team with experience. so guys knew how to handle that trip. And nobody's squirring around on Bill's watch. Right. Now, we had a young team in Philly that I would have been worried about, but we were in Minneapolis. That was the blessing. Nobody wanted to go outside.

Yeah, you'd go outside and freeze to death. So who do you like Sunday? What do you see, how about? Well, you know what? I love big offensive linemen right here, Biggs. Yeah, shout out. I know. I'm not a big fan of defensive line like you are,

because I know that's why you're going for the 49ers. But me and my man here think Patrick Mahomes and the offensive line on the Kansas City Chiefs are going to get it done, right? Actually, I have a great team. Yes. You got the, I like Kansas City. Oh, you do? Because a tie for me goes to quarterback. I think San Francisco's team's better.

My biggest fear is a dominant front seven and his biggest fear is like an offense. All that pressure. All that crazy quarterback stuff, right? Yeah. Yeah. If you're the defensive line, if you're Rob Salon, defense coordinator, the 49ers, what is he telling his defensive lineman? I think he's telling his defensive lineman to rush Pat Smart and don't leave big B gaps.

I know he's going to drop to 11 sometimes. Is he saying trust what you see? Or is he saying don't trust that you see. He's saying communicate, is what I think. You know, if the tackle's going to take the inside move, the end needs to know that. And vice versa. You know, there can't be these big gaps for Pat to, you know,

that play he had against Tennessee right for the half. I mean, that's a backbreaker. It is. And you've got to stay true to your position. You've got to stay true to what your instincts are. But, you know, the thing that makes me laugh about defensive linemen, they actually talk like they know schemes and stuff. Like, we have to know what we're doing.

Yeah, we got our book is this big. They don't know what their. is this big. All we have to do is be good looking. And being smart. They love being dumb and playing. All we have to do is be good looking and athletic. Okay, guys, you know, like you, you're offensive guys, you got these big ass books. I'm not impressed. But hey, it's an iPad.

You couldn't handle it. Before you roll, because I know you're a hot ticket here. Yeah, I'm a hot ticket. No, you are. The hummus guy? Hot box or locks, baby. He just told us your Nas X was too. So, so I want, one reason all the playing accolades are awesome and I always knew you as an amazing player.

But one thing is I've kind of launched my post career stuff and the charity stuff that I looked up to you about is the way you've grown your foundation. Oh, thanks. I think you've done a tremendous job. You know, you're a benchmark for how to do that. Can you walk me through how that all got started and how it grew? Well, you know, it wasn't easy.

But I got started in raising money for cystic fibrosis even before my son, Gunner was born. It was all the way back to 1989. So two years later, Gunner was born. He did not show any signs of the disease at the age of, you know, at birth. It wasn't until two years later and I became the quarterback. of the Jets that we found out that he had cystic fibrosis. And Frank DeFord was the chairman of the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation back then. He had lost his daughter, Alex, took the disease at the age of eight.

So you can imagine when you're a parent, you're thinking all the worst things. He was the second phone call I made after I called my dad and told him what Gunner was diagnosed with. And Frank DeFord said, Boomer, this is a blessing. I know you don't see it that way right now, but we need a personality for this disease. So here we are some 30 years later from when I first started. Gunner is 28 now. He just started on a new drug that we've invested millions and millions and millions of dollars in.

He told me about six months ago, he said, Dad, my future is unlocked, finally. After a 28-year struggle with the disease, he's not cured, but this new drug is really lessened the symptoms of the disease. As to where now he's at the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth. getting his masters. I cried when he told me that. And he and I play ice hockey together. I know it's hard for you guys to believe and see me on ice skates. I can't skate.

But we've been doing it for years and years and years. And we had a game this past summer. And he came off the ice like I've never seen him before. He wasn't huffing. He wasn't spitting up a lot of stuff. And I drove home with my son, how are you feeling? He goes, man, I feel great. I said, do you want to get some pizza?

Yeah, let's go get some pizza. And I'm like, do you understand what's having? happening to you right now? And he had a pause for a moment. And all of a sudden a tear came down out of his eyes because, Dad, it's finally happening. And his future has been unleashed. And he's an amazing young man. He's much like you two guys are for your parents. I remember him running around. And it's cool because, you know, like they told you, I mean, it's a tremendous challenge. And I'm sure you would never wish that on anybody. Never. You were the right people to take it on. And I appreciate people like you stepping up and making a big difference.

Well, thanks, guys. You know, I'll never forget, your dad retired, and I had a golf tournament in Long Island, and your dad showed up. And I had this big frame made up with his jersey in the middle of it, and all these pictures around it from all the years that he had played. And I presented it to him at my golf tournament. I had another one that we were going to auction off. And your dad was up there, like, amazed that we were doing this.

And I think we got, like, $35,000 for the other one that he's. signed and took a picture with the people that bought it. And I think he was amazed that I could do something like that in New York. And if it weren't for being in New York and being on the media, basically being on the Jets for those three years, I don't necessarily know that we would have ever gotten the amount of money, 200 million that we have got. It's crazy. It's crazy. It matters. And you took advantage of it. 100%. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks for stop you. Thanks. Great to see you guys. Thanks for not jumping on me. Yeah, you got it. You're the man there. Good seeing you. It's the coolest guest I've had on Green Light

podcast, Dr. Oz, somebody I grew up watching on TV, and I'm always, I'm Mr. WebMD. I'm always, you know, like, I've got questions for the internet all the time about my health. Now you're sitting right here. I got a bunch of them, some of her hangover related. We're talking about Hangover. But you mentioned WebMD. So Oprah and I started a company when my show started 10 years ago called ShareCare. The guy who runs it is the man who founded WebMD, Jeff Arnold, who's a great athlete.

He's helped me a lot. Yeah, he has. And I'll tell you, it is remarkable how much that has changed. Most countries don't have the equivalent of a WebMD or a share care. They've got to just go figure out for themselves. Well, we're the country that needs it the most. I know, exactly. Where hangovers are probably, number one searched item this week probably.

You know there's Sickness Monday, Super Sickness Monday? No. 14 million people will call out of work on Monday because they are sick. From the Super Bowl. From the Super Bowl. That's insane. That just goes to show that nobody's watching the game. They're farting it up.

They don't remember the game. Yeah, they don't remember the game. And I just learned this. You're a Philly guy. I was bored. I grew up in the Philadelphia area. There we go. Huge Eagles fan. I love this.

And I, when I came, I come to the game every year, but I came two years ago and I sat with the 76ers. Oh, really? To watch the victory. Is that a playoff game? Yeah, the Super Bowl. Oh, you get a Super Bowl. You came to Super Bowl, yeah. It's cold there.

Talk about sick. Did you know the entire team was sick? No, are you kidding? We should have called you. I wouldn't have hit you up. I'd say, hey, Doc, come help us out here. I didn't know that. We were staying the Mall of America, right?

Yeah. And if you know the Mall of America, it's two, you know, we should have a lot of America. hotels annexed by the mall. Right. And the Patriots were all sick. We were all sick. It's just germs passing and nobody could go outside. Well, this event was in that walkway between the two hotels

and the Mall of America. And there's a zip line there. And I always think this is like a petri dish. Yeah, dude. Come on. I mean... Well, how did you play like that with that? Well, I am very aware of my body. And I'm one of those people. I wouldn't say a hypochondriac but I'm like borderline, especially an athlete.

You're getting ready for the biggest game of your life. So when you started to feel a little run down, you know, when the sickness is coming on, you're like, calming cold, whatever. I'm Friday night, I'm sitting there. I'm like, am I getting chills? Like, oh, no. And those guys getting IVs and, you know, it was undercover kind of bad. And when a flu bug hits or something like that in a locker room, forget staff.

I mean, but like, it just bounces around fast. So what is it, so they give you IVs, they put your antivirals? What do they do to get you guys better so you can play on Sunday? I guess, you know, we take a lot of Z-packs, okay? You try not take too many because then they, they, they're not. don't work right exactly you know the fluids they say rest but they're talking out of both sides of their mouth because like get your rest you got to be down here at 7 a.m. tomorrow and we'll be working well the rule of thumb if you're

sick is if the illness is above your neck exercise okay it actually opens up your passages if the illness is below your neck don't work out really because if you if you had a true virus with muscle pains and aches intestinal I mean who wants to go diarrhea on a treadmill please it's not good I've tried it no it's sugar but you're a bird's fan you're a birds fan and you're an athlete I played football in college, played in Philadelphia, also, obviously. I was, and I was Allstate. In fact, my only big concussion was in that All-Star game that I played in.

Really? But in college, I never got hurt. Of course, I wasn't good enough to play at your level, but it was... Well, you actually made a good decision if you had a choice. I mean, like, I'd rather been you than me. But, you know, I was thinking about this recently because I get asked and getting asked, would I recommend sports to my kids? And my son did play football.

He was a captain of his team in high school, and I encouraged him. And I told them what I'll tell your listeners and viewers, football changed my life. It taught me to compete. It taught me how to deal a failure. It taught me how to win. And the reason our country does so well vis-à-vis other nations is because we actually teach our youth how to do those steps.

There's no class in high school about leadership 101. Yeah, no, no, no. That's why I always think football should get a credit because I've applied things that I learned like in college playing for Al Groh at Virginia and the teamwork, the problem-solving, the social stuff. I mean, like getting to go to work every day with kids. that did not grow up where I grew up. I mean, it was a game-changing experience

for the rest of my life, and you don't get a credit. You don't get paid, okay, that's one thing. But you don't get a credit, you spend eight hours in the building. It's like, especially when you were at Harvard, right? Yes, yeah. So how do you manage that? It's crazy.

The juggling that's required for a college athlete to perform is remarkable, but I don't know of a college athlete that's not thrilled that they had the opportunity to learn those classes. Because the mentoring that we got with, I coach Restic when I was playing at Harvard, was incredibly important to my future.

And when I was talking to my son about playing college sports, I said, I don't even care if you're any good. Have a good coach. Because no one's going to mentor you that way. And I'm on the president's council of fitness and nutrition. It's a real crisis in America. We don't have any coaches. You don't have any high school coach.

You don't have any middle school coaches. A lot of people used to coach don't have the time of the money anymore. The kids don't want to play sports. It's a thankless job, relatively speaking. Except if you're actually doing it. It's like teaching. It's like teaching. But that is what made this country what it is.

and we have forfeited that with the belief that test scores equate them. Listen, I studied math and biology and I had to do it to be a doctor. I'm proud of that. I'm not in any way dismissing the value of that, but this nation will not be the nation that it could be if we don't have a right of passage for young people to become adults. And we lose that if we don't endorse the arts and sports. I include the arts on purpose.

It's not about a bunch of eggheads, you know, banging their heads together. It's about the fact that extracurricular activities are critical to the nation. It's funny the way we do look at art. and football and the way that we treat one as, you know, acceptable kind of intellectual exercise, and it's art. I mean, it's not, you know, it's not, you know, something academic necessarily, but neither is football, but both, you know, build a ton of skills. And, you know, I don't know why football always gets the stigma, because we're all meatballs, I guess. But, uh, but there's some really smart players I play with. You have to be very smart to play in a league a long time. You know,

to play in college and balance that time and everything at Harvard or Virginia. It's, it's crazy. Connecting dots when you're playing sports and art, it's the same thing. In sports, whatever your position is, you're doing 3D spatial reconstructions. The brain is actually tasked in ways that are much more complicated than studying a differential equation in calculus. And they're both important, but they're different. And art similarly allows you to connect the dots for creativity that others can't. That's a real uniqueness. And you use this, I'll tell you, in heart surgery, there's disproportionate number of athletes,

so many of us actually learn to deal with the pressure of being in the OR. Think about it. We're taking a knife to your chest. Yeah, dude. There's a fine line between arrogance and confidence there. And sports does that same thing. You've got to be confident you can make it, but not so much you do foolish things to hurt your team.

Right. You can't be that gambler. Don't be that person. So you mentioned the concussion thing. That's always on the radar of everybody. Before you, you're the perfect guy to talk to you. Did you watch the Hernandez, Doc? I had Jonathan Hernandez on my show yesterday.

Okay, okay. And he wouldn't go on to Doc because he didn't like the way to doing it. So he had him and his mom had some video that we've audio material from prison actually talking to Aaron on it. And it is so compelling to me his story. Yeah. Because it wasn't just CTE. It wasn't just traumatic Cephalop Dio. That was a big part of it.

He was sexually abused as a child, which Jonathan shared me. Jonathan was his quarterback initially. So, in two years older and felt terribly guilty that Aaron was abused and he was unaware of it, and he couldn't protect his younger brother. Their father was a great athlete, but abusive. Abusive. And he said, it slapped the gay out of you. I'm sorry, that's his word, not mine.

That's how they phrased it, so he couldn't be honest about who he was. So he lived a lie, and he created a conflict in his mind that started to expose itself when he was playing in Florida. And that team had 20 people go to the pros. I mean, these guys were, Tim Tebow was his quarterback. He had everything, everything. A five-year $40 million contract for the Pats and a great athlete, and yet he threw it away because he couldn't live the line anymore. And I think that's a life lesson for all of us, which is why the Aaron Hernandez story is not about good or bad for the NFL. It's about the fall of a potential great American, what went wrong.

And I also think, like, it's a lesson with people, and I'm not a CT denier. And, I mean, tau protein is observable in the brain. You can't do it while we're living, obviously. But if you cut me open right now, I might have some in my head. You might have some. You might have some. We're acting normally. So my issue is always like the jumping the gun on predicting a behavioral outcome.

Like I don't think we're there yet. What do you say? Not there at all. It also depends what part of your brain develops the most impact. The prefrontal cortex where Aaron did have a lot of damage at autopsy is the decision-making part of the brain. And so DJ, Jonathan, was pretty honest about saying that he does believe it influenced his decision-making process.

And Jonathan shared some insights about what his brother was going through after he was convicted of killing his best friend and why do you kill your best friend his basically his brother-in-law he killed right and that's not normal behavior so I think it was part of it but it wasn't a lot of traumas that's and that's the whole thing is like we just ignore all these like first society that wants to talk about mental health and say we need to get better at it we pop on the Hernandez documentary and most people's takeaway is his brain was broken there was ten there were ten traumas in his life over and over again I mean yeah

and it's the complete picture of you know what I hate is when somebody tells me is that like I played football for 11 years so I'm going to automatically lose my agency at some point you know there's plenty of good examples of guys that played for a long time we just don't know enough yet that's where I'm at I think a lot of the attention shouldn't be on professional football players who made a decision as an adult and to your point I think most will be okay but we don't know that mystery's fear it induces fear but I don't want to have moms not let their kids play football anymore right that's not

good for any of us and that's gonna happen if we're not serious about the illness and start to do some investigations about how to diagnose it earlier. As an example, we know that young kids, if they get hurt, they'll bounce back pretty quickly. But you've got to make a diagnosis. And I know a lot of young people in the pros don't want to get pulled out of a game because that's their chance. Right.

And so we need to make professional football players for comfortable telling the truth that they've been hurt. And that's a big stigma that was around for a long time. And you see it with guys on the sideline that don't look right and they don't want to come out of the game because it's the ultimate, like, peer pressure sport, and it's the alpha male, like, I can't show weakness. If you had a bad hit and had a head injury that you thought was concussion, would you pull yourself out of a game?

If it was bad enough, I would. Depending on the game. And that's the problem. It's like if I get dinged in the Super Bowl, good luck, you've got to pull me out. And I think that's where, you know, they have to take it out of players' hands. You know, they have to say, you know, we're going to take this decision out of these guys' hands because we're ingrained to just push through everything. Well, the good news is we're going to have the ability to diagnose tau protein release on a blood test. test probably we're close we're getting close generation away no no a couple years

not a couple years I mean I saw some really exciting data recently it could be a year or two years but that'll help but ultimately I think the best way of figuring out that you had a concussion yeah is your processing time for decisions yes and those are tests you can do right now you ought to be enforced not just at the NFL but throughout all sports and you know give yourself a week or two off and you'll be able to bounce back and not have had a long-term impact most likely from the concussion all NFL players should be an anti-oxygen resume and be taking Omega 3 during the season because it helps the brain rebuild itself and then there's

gonna be some point where you say okay it's just too much of risk for you yeah as great as you are your career is now over yeah and that's okay because I want you to be around and play my kids and I want to be I want to be present you mentioned we're talking about concussions I feel like I have a concussion right now Doc but I have a hangover okay I didn't realize that martini is more than one unit of alcohol usually oh my goodness so my question about hangovers and I've been feeling this way a long time is If they're all these secret hangovers, like, why do I hear so many cures, these hangover, you know, fixes, none of them work.

If one worked, everybody would be doing it. The only solution is not to drink, right? Very smart drinker. Most people do not acknowledge that. In medicine is an adage, if you've got more than one solution, you'll have no good ones. Dr. Oz called me a smart drinker. But here's the thing. The reason you get a hangover, it's getting to the pathophysiology.

I love pathophysiology. So the brain is like a walnut. It shrivels down when you're, when you're, you're a hangover. hungover because it's primarily about dehydration, but the coconut skull stays the same. So you're basically shaking that walnut inside of his coconut. Yeah, that's how I feel. It hurts, right? So a couple things.

First off, if you can alternate alcohol with water continually through the evening, that's really helpful. Because if you're not dehydrated, you want to have a problem. Number two, clear alcohols are much safer. When you have darker alcohols, the brandies, the whiskeys, that congenere, which makes it dark is a toxic. It's actually really difficult for the body to deal with that. Clear alcohol is tequila is my favorite. Okay. What to kill do you like?

I like Dan Quavos. I mean, I like them all. I'm a big tequila fan. And part of the reason I love it is it got agave in it, it comes from agave. So it's a little bit Swedish, but there's not more calories than other alcohol. So 66 calories for an ounce.

You can put a little salt water or lime, and that's all you need. So if you're on a diet and all that's why all the women love tequila. That's why the space is exploding. The people in great shape are all drinking. Tequila. What's up, dude? Prince is there.

I got Dr. Oz here on the show. My buddies, this is the great thing about this week is you run into all your friends. So you're just served drinks should you be all set. No, it would be great. Now, my follow-up question on the clear liquor is, I eat the olives out of the martini glass. Is that safe? They say lemons are the most unsafe thing in a restaurant.

Lemons are unsafe because of the rind. Okay. I'm not concerned about the olives as much. Okay, good, good, good, that's good. We don't all handle the olive. Real quick, before I let you go. Marijuana, I see. I got marijuana on here.

I've been, I made news because evidently I'm like a serial killer because I smoke marijuana. Yeah, I saw it. Oh, I came out. And revealed that I, you know, the devil's lettuce. I was. Devils lettuce? Yeah, I was an insomniac, like my whole life. Also helps me manage my stress.

You know, I have anxiety, you know, not terrible, not debilitating. And, you know, Brandon Brooks, who plays for the Eagles, had to miss a game because panic attacks this year. Not like that. But my whole life, trouble sleeping, et cetera. For me, it settles me down at the end of the night. And I'm very thoughtless as I drift off. How old were you being to start smoking marijuana?

Golly. first year college. Okay, so a couple of things about marijuana. I'm a big fan of medical marijuana. I think it is a hypocrisy that we will be embarrassed about for generations if we don't deal with the reality that medical marijuana is safer than opiates. A lot of pro athletes do better with medical marijuana than the drugs they might take for crying aches and pains. Insomnia is probably a pretty good tool. Anxiety for sure it's effective on and we should be using it in older folks as well because some of the chronic issues they're facing are better dealt with marijuana. Marijuana it's safer. That's

I don't want young people smoking recreationally. I agree. Well, there's a brain development thing, right? Yeah, the teenagers is not good for them. And you don't want to grow up thinking you've got to smoke pot to be able to get through life. If by the time you're in college, that's mostly gone. Yeah. But I don't want high schoolers feeling that's part of the equation.

I agree. But you get past that, then most people are on the same page. 34 states have embraced medical marijuana. I actually believe we ought to make it acceptable for older folks because they're safe. Yeah, yeah. That people who are struggling with aging issues, smoke marijuana. The government has got to get out of the way. People at the DEA, NFDFDFDA are not against marijuana.

They just want to regulate it, which I think they're right on. And CBD is a problem because CBD, half it's fake. It's all fake. I get the good stuff, the full spectrum. But most people don't know how to get the good stuff. Most people are going to a gas station taking this bullshit. And then also these vape pens, you know, that are killing people, the vitamin E oil in there. They ought to regulate it.

Thank you. Thank you. We agree. Yeah. The devil's lettuce. This is awesome. This is the man here. Philly fan, too.

What a show, guys. I mean like not bad for a hangover and absolutely no plan. I mean we were just running around grabbing people and there's plenty of great people to see and talk to here. We'll be back with more later today in some form or fashion so keep an eye out. Content will keep rolling from Miami.