Green Light with Chris Long - Terrell Owens! On NFL Return, QB Feuds, Wine & Candles, The HOF & Today's Best Receivers. Color Expert Dr. Bevil Conway Settles The Green Light Gatorade Controversy.

Episode Date: August 13, 2021

(01:40) - Gatorade Debate Rages On. (15:00) - Dr. Bevil Conway on the Color of Lemon-Lime Gatorade and an Individuals' Color Perception. (27:53) - Football is Back, Preseason NFL Week 1. (31:30) - 2021 Hard Knocks Episode 1 Review. (47:57) - Terrell Owens on Returning to the NFL, TD Celebrations, Racing Teammates, The Hall of Fame, Best WR's in Today's NFL, Wine and Candles and the Driveway Workout/Interview. (1:51:23) - Good, Bad, Ugly. (2:05:37) - Chris' Wholesome List. (2:10:26) - Gatorade Flavor Draft. (2:24:25) - Gatorade Taste Test. Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. http://bit.ly/chalknetwork Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chartreuse. Okay, so we might have gotten somewhere. Hey, I think... That's Gatorade, by the way. That's lemon-lime Gatorade, which I've been debating. Like, my life depends on it the past four days since we had this little very organic discussion on the pot on Monday. When you posted the picture of the shot down the barrel,

I think that's when you. you sold me. Yeah, let's be honest. On the green gator. Yeah. Oh my goodness. We haven't talked about this all week. You're kind of sold.

Right. I feel really good about this because I was just about to say I'm willing to concede that there is yellow somewhere in there. I mean, it's, it's yellowish, but it's also greenish. You damn fool. It's yellow. No, it's not. It's a yellow drink.

If it's chartreuse, what color is it? It's yellow. What color is it if it's charitruise? The other day I posted with no pretense, what color is this? okay and I got to finish this go look through my mentions this is on Monday before the pod came out Tuesday and everybody said split

pea soup they said baby puke they said nuclear waste from the Simpsons motherfuckers were talking about slimer from the Ghostbusters although I don't think it looks like slimer but many people think it's green now here's the thing I found out Monday that although many

people think it's green we are in the minority my argument is my eyes I see green now I ask people online line what color it was and people said it was green and then the next day surprise surprise people said it was yellow when they found out what i was taking a picture of now cowboy reed has an issue he says that well i zoomed in and it's pixelated well where does the color most truly look like the color the closer you get to it and from six inches away this fucking liquid looks green with no plastic with no bottle around it with no light piercing through with no heavily filtered picture

from like a Gatorade website that almost looks like an artist rendering. That's what you guys are selling me on it looking pure yellow. I'm willing to concede that it kind of looks yellow, but it also looks green. And a lot of people believe in that. Now here's the thing. Most people think it's yellow. And I feel great about that because, you know,

most people like shitty popular music. 60% of people were recently polled in saying that they could compete in the Olympics. No, you can't. A lot of people voted for Donald Trump. Half the country's unvaccinated. Don't tell me about majority equals righteousness. What do your eyes say? I think we can have an intellectual conversation about the color of that liquid. Yeah. But the original question was what is lemon lime gatorade? And I said green gatorade. Right. You said you ordered green gatorade. That's the way I, Which is where we just got fully off the track. I just addressed that.

85% of people on my Instagram poll said it was yellow. Good for y'all. Vegas says it's yellow. Vegas doesn't get things right all the time. What did Vegas say about the Eagles in 2017? Okay. Gatorade said it's yellow. There's a tweet from Gatorade in 2018 where people are referencing,

well, if Gatorade says it's yellow, then it's yellow. Damn, that's my closing argument. Well, it's a dumb argument because Gatorade all. also says it's healthy and it's not healthy. Can we agree on that? And it's not yellow. It's not unanimously yellow. And Gatorade's saying it's yellow.

When do we start trusting Big Sugar? All of a sudden we go to Big Sugar for our answers. I could say I'm blue all I want, but I'm fucking pink. In fact, there's an app that I downloaded to test the color of this Gatorade and it says it's in the Olive family. I don't like, don't ask me, just ask the app that I'm now going to pay $2.99 for. for unknowingly until like 2003. And when it looked at my skin, it said I was a pale chestnut. So I could say I'm white, I could say I'm blue, but the proof is in the pudding.

So I don't care what Gatorade says it is. You know, the main ingredient is yellow five. Okay, I got you. Maybe they should add more because it ain't getting the job done. You know what else has yellow five in it? Pickles. What color are pickles? Green.

Okay. And they called it. Gatorade. The next one. It says lemon lime. This is my favorite most mind-numbing message tweet that I got all week. It's called lemon lime. And I got to read it in this voice because that's the voice I imagine all these.

Oh, this is going to be the voice that you do when you're imitating me. Oh, it says lemon lime. Therefore, it's more lemon because the word comes first. That's not a color. That's a flavor. and you think there are real lemons and Gatorade. Everybody who tweeted me that thinks they're real lemons and Gatorade. It's like they plop the lemon in first and then the live.

So that's the, you guys just, listen, if your eyes say it's yellow, that's fine. My eyes say it's green, but don't hit me with any of these bullshit arguments. Trust your eyes. The year is 2008, the place is St. Louis, Missouri. The Rams have inked rookie Chris Long to a six-year deal worth several million dollars. Said long. Feels good to be the first colorblind player drafted in the NFL. Said long, from this day forward, the only color I see is green.

All right, let me read you a list of things. Let me just get your reaction. Let's see. Dandelions, school bus, the sun, waffle house, rubber duckies, lemon lime, gatorade, big bird, bananas, corn, this yellow tape measure I'm holding. What stands out out of all those things? There's one of these things is not like the other. Maybe a corn.

If the sun came up in the morning and looked like green Gatorade, we'd piss our pants because the world would be ending. And guess what? If we pissed our pants and the color of our urine was green Gatorade, we'd go to a hospital because it's not yellow. It is not yellow, dude. I had a guy message me. I got to pull this message up.

But this message is what's perfectly wrong with everybody. Colorblindness is a common condition in which you have difficulty distinguishing between certain colors. A more precise term for color blindness is color vision deficiency. Well, listen, I may be colorblind, but to me it's green. So it's really not an argument you can win. Here's the deal. I'm conceding that it may be something to you, but to me, it is green. Let me read this fucking message from a big fan of the green light pod.

So I appreciate you. Hey, Chris, big fan of the green light pod, among other green stuff. I love a good argument like what you have going on with the Gatorade, right now. But let's be honest. There's a big difference between describing the color of the liquid and the color of the Gatorade. It is clearly a yellow Gatorade, even if the liquid color is actually of a greenish tent. Holy shit, buddy. That's what I'm talking about. Do we have like an international listening problem? Do we have a problem in our brains where we can't separate two things? Is our confirmation bias so strong that you actually are moving?

the yellow gold posts, which are yellow. I do agree that the color of the liquid is green was his next message. So what are we talking about, friend? But no one in their right mind would ask or describe a lemon lime gatorade is green. No one says, what kind of gatorade do you want and someone says green and refers to it as that one?

Yeah, actually, I called my brother last night and he does it too. Kyle believes is a green gatorade, my mom believes is a green gatorade, my dad believes is a green gatorade. I guess I have a whole family of colorblind people. Now, that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because there's a genetic thing. Colorblindness can be inherited or acquired. My whole family's colorblind. Inherited means the condition is passed on through genes and present at birth. Acquired means the color blindness occurs later on in life and results from age, eye disease, eye injury, certain medications, chemical toxicity, or being addicted to hot leaf. Okay, you put the last thing in. But here's the deal, dude.

Yellow 5, of which in Gatorade, Don't jump in the fray trying to do some cute quote tweet me thing and dunk on me so you can get some like because I will absolutely crush your shit. Okay, I quit Gatorade five years left in my career because it's unhealthy and it's essentially poison. Pro athletes you don't need it. So Gatorade, fuck off. Don't be quote tweeting me saying it's yellow. I don't give a fuck what you think it is. No one should trust you. About 8% of men are born with a color vision deficiency while only about 0.5% of women are affected. In some cases, people may not be aware they have a color vision deficiency until others point out that they do not see the right color. Are color deficiencies sexist? Well, here I am, Chris.

You are not seeing the right color. We're having a color expert on later to bang the gavel. His name is Beville Conway. He's going to call in the middle of show and settle this shit. Now, don't take any misleading backlit pictures. This is not misleading. I'm trying to see what you're seeing, and I just can't see it. That's fine.

I can't see what y'all are seeing. And it's totally fine. But this is good content. Everybody loves a good argument. And here's the deal. I think if you were to say, hey, Joe on the street, can you go pick me up a green Gatorade? I'd get some gross green apple. Yeah, I don't think it matters, though.

What we're talking about is the color of the thing. Well, talk about moving the yellow goalpost. Now that's what we're talking about. So I guess colorblindness is sexually transmitted too because my wife must be colorblind. I showed her the liquid, the picture of the liquid for two nights, not the pixelated one. unquote pixelated, which came from just a picture of a green Gatorade online cowboy. But I showed her the picture of the liquid from an aerial view that I posted yesterday. And she said, that's green.

I said, look at it again. I showed her a different zoomed-in online, Google image, legit picture of green Gatorade. And she said, yeah, that's green. Then I showed her where it came from. And she laughed and goes, ah, that's yellow. You guys are all programmed. It's propaganda. You've all been programmed.

You're still stuck in your six-year-old bodies where you called it yellow Gatorade because lemon came first and you're having trouble with the sequencing of the flavor classification. My eyes see green, at least some green in there. There was some lighting manipulation going on in that top-down photo. No, that wasn't. No doubt.

No doubt. Taylor, thank you. No doubt. Hold on. Let him prove your case. You have the floor. Well, it was the zooming all the way in to inside the bottle plus the dropping of the shades

to remove any natural light source. The shades were not dropped. The sessional filmmaker. The shades were not dropped. Waiting until the clouds. So now you're making stuff up. You're making stuff up. I took that picture right there in that room

just as it is. No unnatural lighting. Both huge, mind you, huge fucking windows. Way taller in you two motherfuckers back there. I mean, these windows got to be eight feet tall. And we're getting about seven feet of light out of those things. So you got natural light. and I take a picture right above the bottle

because the key is you don't want to have to look through a plastic deal there. By the way, Mountain Dew is a little bit yellowish. It's a little bit yellowish. You didn't know that because the can is green. All I'm saying is look at how yellow it looks in this well-lit room compared to... Yeah, and this is unnatural light.

If you showed this to a caveman without these giant LED lights that I can't look at for more than the second, that Maken always complains about how hot it is here. How well lit it is here. Uh-huh. Oh, but it's very pleasant. I just love the lights now. Yeah, I like the lights.

See, you guys like to move the goalpost. I'm willing to- The goalposts are this room is extremely unnaturally well-lit, true or false. Check out, check out the cup now that it's on the monitor. And you can see some cacti behind us. You can see a gold. It looks yellow from

a distance on the monitor under this blazing hot light. But if you turn these lights off and you moved it closer to the monitor, it would be green. Here's what I'll say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we're dealing with shades of yellow. Yeah.

Not shades of green, but shades of yellow. Oh, there's no shades of green in there. How much you want to bet when we ask this guy if there are any shades of green in there? Go ahead. Breathe. I'm saying yes. There's green to this yellow. It's day four of being gaslit.

Okay. So I'll grant you that. Yeah, you'll grant me that there's green in there. Sure. Yes. However, however, the other piece, if you told me to run out and get yellow Gatorade, boom, I'm out the door. If you told me to run out and get green Gatorade, I would say, what do you mean?

But that's totally irrelevant. I think it's the exact question that was proposed at the beginning. What you're doing is assigning a color that you're familiar with. The crux of this issue was that on Monday I said, I got green Gatorade. To me, the Gatorade is green. I have no problem with being wrong. But you guys acted like it was just out of left field that there could be shades of green. in the Gatorade. Now, you guys might be right, but you're not right about what I see. That's about

the best way I can put it. Listen, in the nick of time here, okay? He's in the Zoom lobby. Dr. Conway. All right, so we do have Dr. Bevel Conway. He is a principal investigator at the National Institute of Health. He is a neuroscientist like us. He's coming to us from Asateague. He's coming to us from Asatee. They have wild horses there. What color are the horses there. Oh, they're all over the colors. They definitely no yellow and no green ones. Okay, good. All right, good. So they won't get touchy. He's a color expert. He's an artist. Doc, as you are aware, we had a bit of a disagreement over the color of a certain flavor of Gatorade. We will get to that shortly. But first, I'd like you to tell the people about your

work and basically why do we see color the way we see color? Sure thing. Yeah. So, I mean, color is one of these things that's so important for us. humans that we kind of take it for granted. It does all sorts of stuff for us. It helps us tell, you know, what's out there, our friends, when we're going to, you know, check them out at the baseball game or the football game. We want to find them. It's like what color is their hat? It's our favorite football team. It's their jerseys. Color does all sorts of stuff for us. And because it's so kind of super duper important for our behavior, we just take it for granted. It's like opening your eyes. It's just like there. It's kind of like your mom doing your

laundry. It's like, you know, you end up in college and you're like, whoa, hang on a minute. What's that? Yeah. And that's sort of like what's happening when, uh, when you have a different perception than I do. It's, it's like this, well, hang on a minute. That, that, that, that. And it causes all kinds of glitches. Oh, yeah. We've, uh, we've, we've had those glitches this week. Somebody's having those glitches. Uh, one of the things that struck me in reading about your work is how many different variables going to how we identify them. You just kind of touched on that a little bit, Like, yes, it's the mechanics of the eye and of human vision, but it's also memory and emotion and lighting and even language. Absolutely.

Yeah, there's, you know, the way I think about color is it's a kind of hidden operating system of the mind. You know, it traces all the way from, you know, the signals that reach the eye, which we think of as just, you know, color is just wavelength, isn't it? But as you've seen, color isn't wavelength. It's what the eye and the brain does with that information. And there's a huge amount of your cerebral cortex. That's the lumpy, curly bit on the outside of your head that you would, on the outside of the brain, you'd see if you lifted the skull off. That cerebral cortex is the part that's responsible for thinking and understanding the world.

And it turns out there's as much brain tissue there responsible for color as there is for face perception. So it's this hugely important system, and it touches on, as you say, almost every aspect of perception and cognition. And what did you find when you were doing the blue dress thing? Because your name popped up a lot. We were looking for the best of the best. And we figured if we can find somebody who was on the blue dress case, we got the right guy or girl.

You mean the white gold dress, not blue black dress. Come on. Yeah. Tell us about what was going on there. Maybe that'll help us with our next question. I think, yeah. So that was this, you know, viral phenomenon. And it's still, you know, the most widely disseminated image, viral image in the history of the internet.

And it happened a couple years ago, 2015, I think. And basically, this striped dress shows up and some people think it's white and gold and other people think it's blue and black. And they're looking at the same image on the same device. You know, it's not like, it's not some weird, you know, optical trick of the angle of the camera or something. It's just, it's too very, yeah, exactly. It's not like, you know, you can play football your whole life and something's a little wonky up there. You know, this is, this is, this is, this is an image that many people just saw in a fundamentally different way. And the theory I came up with, which there's now a fair amount of support for, is that it has a lot to do with the kind of expectations you have about the lighting.

So what's, what's crazy about color vision is that it seems like it's part of the world out there. But somehow we have to actually color correct. You know, if you have the wrong color correct. on your camera for your photos or on Instagram if you use the wrong color filter, everything looks really weird. Well, your brain is doing that color correction all the time under, you know, bright blue sky or under warm daylight or incandescent light or fluorescent light. Your brain's working over time to correct that color. And it just looks like different people are wired up to have different color correction algorithms in their heads. So Doc, like if we were to make, um, make sort of

of a call on like a Gatorade or a liquid. Now, we're going to get to, there's no need to like, you know. I'm having said a word. He's excited because he knows he's right. And we all know we're right. I mean, that's the whole thing about seeing color. But if I was to get a totally objective look at a liquid, what's the right lighting to do that? So you want a nice broadband light.

That is, you want a light source that's got lots of energy at every wavelength. So it's not very picky. So this is one of the complications. with LED lighting when it first came out, it's very spiky. If you look at the graph of wavelength versus amplitude, it's got lots of real spikes in it. And that's not super good for color vision. The LED lighting industry has gotten way, way better. So now they have very good broadband lights, but you basically want a lot of energy at every wavelength. Got it, got it. And would that mean like the one, two, three, four, five, six, eight inch or ten inch? Or ten inch.

squares of is this LED lighting read you're the yeah this is LED lighting so we're in the studio right now and the light that I was talking about earlier is not good for color vision if I'm understanding that correctly okay so better natural light or somewhere in between LED and natural yeah natural light is a good light because it isn't spiky so it's got a nice broad spectrum to it but you know the LED lighting industry I don't want to get them in trouble you know there I feel I feel like you may be building a case here. No, listen, what I said to him, like, listen, I think, I think lemon lime, I got in trouble earlier this week for calling lemon lime, gatorade, green gatorade. And unbeknownst to me, and other people

in my family, which he's saying that maybe there's a genetic colorblindness going on in my family. It's a deficiency. Deficiency or whatever it is. I see it as green. Now, I, they all see it as yellow. 85% of people see it as yellow. now they're making arguments like well it's lemon lime lemons come first and I think that's ridiculous what do you see they see yellow I see green they could be right I could be right in my own brain through my own eyesight um what do you see when yeah doc what color do you see and let the record that I'm pointing out a glass of yellow later LED light dude you are literally manipulating the process we sent him the picture I sent him yesterday an aerial view of the liquid oh interesting

the picture you took and manipulated. Manipulated. I just took a picture and Ariel. Just let the doctor talk. Yeah. Yeah. So, well, I have a couple of questions. So who's got more experience using their eyeballs? Me. He does.

So when I look at it and it's funny because this whole Twitter story sparked a little debate in our family, I asked my spouse, you know, without looking at anything, what color is the lemon, lime, gatorade? And he said without missing a beat, it's yellow. of course. And I was like, no, it's not. It is not yellow. So I may be in the minority here as well.

I see it as it's not a perfect yellow. It's in the yellow category, but it's definitely greenish. And that. Yellow category, did you hear that? But it's greenish. It's got to be green to it.

You guys are such, you guys, but all week I've just been looking at, like I said, the earth was flat. Yeah. I think you just have more precise color vision. so you're, you know, we're just making a fine air distinction.

I'm walking off the set. This, we found the guy, dude. The expert you planted. Oh, I didn't plan him. Who found a surf shop in Assatee. Are you even a real doctor, sir? His shit is everywhere, dude. This is the guy when they call, like, oh, Reed, did we plant doc?

No doc was not planted. Dude, okay, so at the very least, we're all right. Well, I think what's going on here is that, you know, color, one fascinating part of color is that they're infinite shades of color. They go sort of from one to the next. But you don't have a million different words for color. You have a limited number of them. And that's because at the end of the day, when you use your color vision system, you have to ultimately engage some muscles or some behavior. You have to make a decision about what you're seeing.

And to have a kind of like, well, it's sort of a greenish, yellowish. That isn't super helpful. Right. So instead, what we do in language and sort of in behavior is we categorize those infinite shades of everything. And that's true of every part of life. We're categorizing constantly. We categorize animals, dog breeds, human personalities, all sorts of stuff we're categorizing. And it turns out that, you know, slightly greenish yellow isn't a category, but yellow is. and because that's closer to the yellow, the sort of canonical best yellow you can imagine, than it is to the best green you can imagine. People who aren't so adept at using their color vision systems,

or maybe are more efficient at using their color vision systems. This is my biggest victory of 2021. They're going to say it's yellow. I'm not even going to take the victory, though, because as you said, it's closer to true yellow. No doubt about it. There is yellow in there, and I would never contend that there's not. But the people saying that there's absolutely no green in there, hear it and weep is all I'm saying. And add the last bit that I couldn't explain to people.

I Googled it, but of course I couldn't put it into words as well as you probably can, which is that the way we see color, green has the most range? Green does have the most range in the spectrum. And it's also greenish yellow is the, we call it the peak of your spectral sense. sensitivity. It's what the eye is most sensitive to. It's why they make tennis balls that color. You know, the same debate centers on tennis ball colors. You'll poke the internet with a color of a tennis ball and all suits of worms crawl out of that can. Oh boy, it's ugly. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, and it's interesting. Tennis balls used to be before TV, they were black or white. But all the TV

producers when TV was black and white complained that no one could really see it because it was mixing with everything else. And so they came up with this. color that's like optic yellow that's i don't know nobody knows what it is and it seems like a lot like that gatorade color hey doc what's your favorite color orange wow wow but i usually say that with a with a little asterisk which it really depends what you mean like my favorite color of underwear or my favorite sports team you know it's different yeah well orange is is very polarizing that way and i feel like uh that's a rare one thank you for helping us clear this up a little bit. Dr. Beville Conway, we got to have him back again when something else

color-related comes up. This has been really informative for me especially. Super fun talking to you both. Take good care. Can we help you promote anything, Doc? Yeah. At some point in the future, I'll have a book and I'll let you know and you can promote it then. That would be great. Awesome. But for now, just biomedical research and facts. Awesome. Let's think about facts. Let's think about them. That's what I'm all about. Science is good. Science is good.

Yes, indeed. Thank you, Doc. Be well. Take it easy. Bye. All right. That's just great. Hey, that's just great.

I'm off the hook at the very least. I'm off the hook at the very least. You fuckers were frozen. He thinks it's green. This motherfucker said he wasn't going to claim a victory. I'm not claiming a victory. I'm claiming it's not a defeat. That's all I've been arguing all week.

That was a lovely. It was lovely. Any color debates just have him back. Like, no question. He could, he maybe should be the co-host. Yeah. Not the podcast. Well, maybe. Maybe.

Like that guy. With, of, uh, of, uh, green light pot. No, of, uh, yellow, green and yellow pot. The piccane. Yeah, the pick a eune. Pickyune. Well, it's good to be not wrong. Hey, speaking of colors.

Gold is one. Do you have a gold jacket update for us? I talked to my dad and, uh, big Howie said his jacket's not. breathable. So that's why he doesn't wear it all the time. Not breathable enough. He's still a big guy now. I mean, he's still about 260 bills. And is everybody else on the dais? Are they like, hmm? I don't know if anybody's judging him. Look at a hot shot over there. I think they're more fixated on the fact that he looks younger than the 45 year old inductees. Um, also something that came up last week was John Lynch, I guess had his son present him.

I missed the presentation. I guess they were doing it on TV this year, like where you come to your house and record you're talking. At 13, I was offered to induct my dad. Yeah, I turned that the fuck down real fast. And who ended up inducting him? Earl Leggett, his defensive line coach, that went a lot better than 13-year-old me up there pissing my pants, nervous.

Did you think about it at all? No. Did he really encourage you to do it? He told me how proud he would be if I did it. But I also didn't have to do it. And I just imagined absolutely freezing up there on national TV. And Lord, have mercy. I mean, I'm ashamed of things that I said at 21, 22.

Can you imagine being a kid and that living in immortality? Well, I think 13, you get away with that. The 21's even tougher. It's like, this kid might not be so bright. The cringiness of like the state you're in at 13. We talked about the awkwardness. Yeah, maybe like an eight or a nine would be really cute. Eight or nine would be eight or nine is the perfect place to induct your dad.

After that it becomes tougher and tougher until you get like 36. Right. You know, Hall of Fame game is over. We do have Hall of Fame wide receiver Terrell Owens on today. Who's had some commentary on the Hall of Fame in the past. We'll certainly talk to him about that. We'll talk to him about football, the whole nine yards.

I want to talk to him about his driveway ab workout, the holdout, favorite wire receivers this year. I don't want to give you the whole playbook. You know, that's kind of where we were going. But preseason is here. The dog days of preseason are here, which means hard knocks is on. We'll talk about that in a second.

We both got hard knocks. Jera's hard knocks. And we've got two games tonight, our tonight, your last night. Washington, New England, and Pittsburgh, Philly, the Keystone Throwdown, Keystone State. Did you know what's called that?

I did. Yeah, I figured. First drive, you see a lot of huffing and puffing. 6 p.m., 95 degrees, warm-ups in Philly. That is brutal. It's going to be a long week for NFL players. This just in, Mack Jones has switched from Jersey number 50 to Jersey number 10 in advance of tonight's game. Held my breath.

I thought you were going to say 12. I know. 10's going to look good on him. 50 was like a joke. I thought Rob Ninkovich was confused and snuck onto the field to try to play quarterback for the Patriots. What is this? The University of Virginia? Or quarterbacks where like 98, 99?

I forgot 99. Yeah. And all the fucked up numbers. But, you know, it works. We were in the orange ball a couple years ago. That's right. No big deal. Orange?

Are you sure? Yeah, it might be the yellow ball. Are you sure? I'm pretty sure. I mean, you and everybody else seem to be doing so well at this life thing. All right. So, hard knocks. We like episode one.

Yeah. I mean, there's so much to poke at, but that's what makes it good. You ready? Yeah, I'm ready. My favorite thing about Hard Knocks is mostly that we can talk about in this show and fill some time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I sat down with a legal pad, pen, big prep guy, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was just enjoyable, even though the content was not elite, I don't think, but there's always something with this show. It's so very well done. I do think it's very well done. I miss the nostalgia of sitting in my hotel room at like 11.30 at night packing a dip, winding my day down and seeing what's going on outside my bubble and other bubbles. That's like a weird thing.

I also like Hard Knocks better when it's like upstairs because as a player, I've seen a bunch of guys miced up trying to be cool. Like, hut, hut. Yeah. I've seen a lot of the player stuff. Upstairs is guarded. I see more of other people's upstairs on hard knocks than I have teams that I played on

because there's a big kind of code like we don't get to know what's going on up there. We started off with Dax Scars. Do you have a favorite scar? I guess my hand, you know, it's like I can't do anything with this hand. Fumble keys all the time. Yeah, I suppose it would be,

tattoos are scars technically, breaking of the skin and whatnot. So that's a complicated question. Do you have a favorite tattoo? No. Okay. CD Lamb got hit in the CDs lamb? CEDES nuts.

Is that the best version of that joke? No. I couldn't really land it. I don't think most people will get it. Okay. Just to be clear, I said CDs lamb. Well, the way the joke goes is like, Hey, Taylor.

No, seriously, do you have any CDs back there? CDs. CDs nuts in your mouth. Which I don't want to finish because Taylor's a valued employee at the lap. Yeah, CD Lamb got hitting the balls, which happens. I love kind of, I really buy DAC.

Dax not fake. Dax, likable. Like, he's not trying to be likable. Like, he really isn't trying, unless he's, well, Zeke's trying to be like by Dak. Well, Zeeks, right, really trying and not to likable. I think part of it is, like, you got to put on this suit of armor to be an NFL running back in Dallas,

that he's a little bit frosty sometimes. but not to DAC. I mean, what would you do if I bought you a Louie bag and made you open it in front of everybody else in the production meeting? I opened a candle that wasn't even meant for me once upon a time and it was a tough scene. It's a tough scene to open presence in front of people.

Like, I can't do it. And I can only imagine. He said exactly what I would have said. This is a great gift. Yeah, exactly. Like, oh, thanks. A suitcase. Yeah.

A pretty one. That costs $6,800 or something to that effect. And Zeke wrap in the presence. I totally get that. That's relatable AF. Come on, he's relatable. I can't. I can't wrap presents.

I can't do it. You can do it in about half the time. That felt a little bit for it. They asked him what Dak got him. And Dak got him a diamond bracelet. I mean, I just, like two dudes exchanging like multiple thousand dollar presence in a meeting room.

and then like it ends in a DAP. Right. Like you got to hug somebody after they give you that, that like. Well, and it was we're best friends. Yes, this is the first year we've exchanged gifts. No, we're not going to talk about what we did last year for our birthdays, the COVID super spreader event. We're on to presents.

We are on. It's good that we're on to presence. And, you know, if they're such good friends, I kind of wonder why Zeke would steal the bike of a guy whose ankle was protruding out of the skin like eight months ago. Um, why does Jerry call him Prescott? The star of the show for me is Jerry Jones from the nonsensical Michael Scott. Sometimes I start a sentence and I don't even know where it's going.

The naive sentence. Yeah. The naive sentence. Yeah. McCarthy's in the background with that like, whatever you say, I'm going to grin, close mouth smile. And then Lee have Schreiber explains it away by saying the last 18 months have been hard on all of us.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like that made no sense. We know that, but COVID. But COVID has been stressful, and sometimes we can't finish our sentences. I mean, like, is it good to be naive? Can't you be happy and no stuff? And then he's salting the McGrittle.

Hey, my favorite thing was that dry-ass McGritle. I was like, this guy's got more money than God. And he's eating a dry-ass McGrittle like everybody else. And they had to, like, you know, fuzz out the McDonald's rapper. Right. Right. And then he's asking the trainer if Dak can just throw short passes while he rehabs his arm injury that requires consultation from Texas Rangers and New York Yankees docks. Which I thought was really cool in like a look in like in actuality. When players get hurt, more trainers and NFL employees than you know like GMs and that sort of thing interface with other sports to find out like kind of what's your protocol with this injury that we don't see as much in our players. to which Jerry said

I am very excited that's who you're talking to end quote my words about potentially a Tommy John sort of a situation yeah you should probably

call Jerry and see what what you and Dak God I hope it's not that but you see their their tweet this week Dallas's tweet a couple days ago that said

MRI MRI it said don't panic but Dak's having another MRI which makes me panic right You don't even have to tweet that.

No. The NFL is going to, it's, you know. We're going to see it next Tuesday. That's not getting out ahead of it. Right. That's like getting out ahead of it and lighting a forest fire. Hey, John Fossil's sex drive is normal. I love that.

Okay. Well, the sex drive, good for him. But like, seeing Bones, which is his nickname on camera, is awesome. Like, he is one of the most liked coaches in the NFL period. In all my ears of playing unanimously, I've never heard a special team or say a bad word about him. And special teams guys have to have their finger on the pulse of the whole organization, like offensive players, defensive players. He was just always a guy that people liked. And they have to have their, evidently he's got to have his finger on the pulse of his vast deference

because my man must be making a lot of babies and he's in there explaining. And this is usually like a good coach when players walk into a room, they're not always going to start the meeting. Like, all right, sit the fuck down. Like, Bones always has something to just talk about. And it's not forced, it's not a mojo moment. Okay? We'll get there. We were trying hard to brand that thing, weren't we? And it almost backfired because it was like, hey, you're missing a mojo moment,

Dak. And Dak was like, I'm crying now because I love football and you're pressuring me to get out there. And that was a little look into like a player's mindset because you could really feel the defensiveness there. And that's what we go through is like when you're hurt, every interaction is perceived as you should be out there, you know, and everything that guys just been through, et cetera. And by the way, your boy, Danucci, y'all's boy back there, Danucci, poor guy. Danucci tried to, yeah, with his little finger puppets and shit.

But he also tried to finger silhouettes or whatever. He tried to explain. Get some reps. And Dak was like, didn't Dak tell him to sit the fuck down? He did that to Garrett Gilbert, too. And Gary Gilbert got the heck out of the huddle. He got out of the huddle. He got out of the huddle.

But yeah, Bones is awesome. And he explained what it was to get snipped. And snip snapped. And snip snapped. And snipped again. get unsnipped too. Right. You can definitely get unsnips.

So it was cool to see bones. Okay, here's another for me. I saw your boy, Macadoo too. Yeah. I saw that too. Good to see him. I was like, what the fuck is he doing here? At 2702.

Yeah. Okay. Micah Parsons thinks Dan Quinn is pounding him, you know? Giving him a pound? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, he does. He is not. He is not.

He saw the same thing. You know what it was? Oh, well, the coaching point from the preseason game was to get wider on a bison, which means it was like an edge pressure and he didn't force it, but he was giving him a coaching point after a rep. And Parsons went to tap him or give him a pound. I saw the same thing. He turned out of it pretty nicely, but it was a clear misfire.

Can I say something? I really like Michael Parsons. I can get with you on that. Breaking news, a Penn State guy likes Penn State. Yeah, no doubt about it. Shocked. That doesn't offend me. Like it might offend you.

I just, I just, the Penn State thing for sure initially I was like oh maybe he's a little corning or something like not that every corn if I'm being honest most Penn State guys to play with were cool but it is a self-absorbed kind of place at the beginning I was like man he's talking a lot

miced up maybe he's acting maybe he's trying to be like cool that's just him he seems like a kid who's happy to be there loves playing football and he loves to run and hit I loved watching when 54 down there in Dallas speaking of another self-examble absorb football factory in Notre Dame when 54 was down there making plays his first year and the whole internet didn't hate him. He was sideline to sideline. Van deresh sideline to sideline.

It was like these backers though like lost some value because people decided that they were starting to play shitty football, which they were. That was a tough year last year. This kid is might be faster than he's faster than both of them. I think he might be faster in Jalen. And like literally the first play when you heard guys reacting to man, he. he's fast in practice. I saw him run Zeke down on a stretch play that he bit wrong on and then caught up. I saw him in that game kind of standing out. And of course they cue the dramatic like victory music when he falls on a fumble as if that's the biggest play he can make.

Can we stop over glorifying recovered fumbles please? Can we stop doing that? It does not. It's the thing that a defensive player does that takes the least amount of skill. The guy that should get praise is the guy that forces the. fumble. You know what I'm saying? It's like my balls tipped up in the air to me in the backfield and I catch it and run for a touchdown. Everybody, like Nick Bosa did that last year against the Panthers. But an opportunity to use the B-roll of Mrs. Parsons in the stands. Absolutely, which was lovely.

And I was so, I was just so interested in how this kid's going to play this year because he's got, he seems to have it all. How'd the Jersey number 11 sit with you? It was cool. I think it looks good. I I think it looks good. And, you know, like, all I care is, can he play football? Is he tough? Is he physical? Oh, that's not all you care about. We care about Jersey numbers on the show.

But, I mean, if you're going to have a weird number, you know, at least bring it and be good at football. And he looks like he's good at football. Those camera angles, the slow motion, the noises of that Hall of Fame game prove why football is the most beautiful game. I mean, football is supposed to be the beautiful game. American football is the most beautiful game. When you slow that shit down, I don't care if it's a bunch of janitors playing. And I mean, no disrespect. I'm not trying to pull a florio who like shit on all the guys who are in the

Hall of Fame game. But those guys, a lot of them won't be playing in a few months. And they look like Hall of Famers in slow motion. It's just a beautiful game, dude. If I may. Yeah. To Mike McCarthy. Yeah.

Boy, howdy. When asked by the media what a Mojo moment is, he said, it's just emphasizing momentum changes in the game. So does he think Mojo is momentum? because Mojo is defined as a magic spell or charm. Confidence. It's not momentum. And Awesome Powers was released 24 years ago.

For comparison's sake, the best picture 24 years before we were born and Austin Powers was no best picture was the apartment starring Jack Lemon and Shirley McLean. It was as if he put on a screenshot of Austin Powers and he thought the room was going to go crazy. I was rewining back looking to see who was superimposed over somebody's face. Like a lot like coaches will do funny shit where they like Photoshop and they have their their assistants like chef up these funny pictures That was not funny. Greg Williams just have really funny stuff now coaches I get it's the dog days of camp They're trying to create a little something and they're trying to motivate people a different way You know what used to motivate me the let's kick the ball high in the air and a fat guy tries to catch it

And if he catches it we got the day off tomorrow like just go out there and practice this. Let's not try to get fancy. Okay, I'm not buying the mojo thing. He talked about family and football, which is uncharted territory for football coaches. They forgot faith. Mike McCarthy is an atheist. The guy's blazing new trails by putting those two words together.

And he talks about what it takes to win a championship. And after hearing that spiel, boy, did I want to run through a light breeze for the guy. Oh, light breeze. I mean, I was ready to go. Listen, I got nothing against Mike McCarthy. If you showed me every coach in training camp, they're going to have their moments where you're like,

ah, the mojo thing's not working. I mean, like, he's doing what he can't. He's doing what he can't. Listen, the one thing that the kid Parsons hit correctly, I loved watching him kind of lay out after Dan Quinn said, like, you're done for the night. Dan Quinn was great at getting him off the phone too. He's like, really, I'm done.

He's like, I am too. You know, like, but Michael Parsons was so funny to me because you literally do the math at how long it's gonna take you to get home in preseason. And it is an incredibly drawn out process. It takes longer than the real games. And you gotta realize the equipment people, everybody, they're going through their dress rehearsals

and it takes a while to get things on the plane and this, that, and the third. Micah Parsons needs some peanuts and a tint of dip in his sock. Micah Parsons, if you don't have a vet giving you game there, load up your socks, put some something behind the, you know, a little something, something, something. behind the bench and enjoy the rest of the game and you don't want to get caught saying you're bored because you're supposed to watch everybody else's reps they're going to get you on that too

I love the kid he can play the best line of the whole thing was I want to try the cake yes yes as seagulls devoured that delicious looking what kind of cake was that yellow uh oh here we go but it wasn't princess cake though no but we both love princess cake that's your favorite marzapan Marzapinas crack, dude. The guy was talking to no one, which is part of it. He was breathing heavily. And he had a cool accent. And refreshingly, he was not saying,

oh, that Kate looks fire. Or got to get me some of that. It was just a kid. I want to try the cake. It was just a kid like talking to no one, wanting to try the cake. I want to try the cake. He says it twice.

Meanwhile, Seagulls, who I am petrified of Seagulls. Did you know that? I did not know that. Yeah, if I'm on the beach and you want to scare the shit out of me, chase me with food. Chase you with food. What have I just put a bunch of seagulls in your... Well, that's how you put the seagulls there.

Got it. But anyways, I want to, we got to send that kid some cake number 60. Let's the pod. Let's send them some cake. Yeah. Let's get some cake made. Send them like a bunch of cake. That's a good idea.

Yeah. My second best, not really a line, an interaction, Peyton Manning and Mike McCarthy at Midfield. Are you ready? Yeah. Here's how I went. Small talk city. You ready?

Yeah. You good? I'm good. Good. You good? I'm good. Good. It's good to be here. It's good to be back. Good luck this year. Fucking scintillating fellas. I'm so glad that you said that because I was sitting there and I was like, nobody's going to get how enamored I am with the small talk hell going on in midfield. It was amazing. Like that is just and you know he's probably might just the worst conversation ever. And I don't blame them. They did the best they could there. And everybody did the best they could. Hard knocks. episode one was it was something we'll do this every time great so makes our job so easy uh all right t o should be on here does anybody actually call you anything but t o dude i mean people you know they

make attempts to pronounce my name or call my name i mean the default is t o but yeah it's taral but a lot of people like to mispronounce it because you would think journalists and commentators you know or podcast but their journalistic ethics and all that stuff that they would would want to pronounce my name correctly. Hey, how would you say OCU. Umanura's last? Um, yeah. Osi, um, manure.

Okay, because he has, because he hit us with this. He was on the pod Tuesday and he hit us with this. Tell T.O. What he said. Um, Mura. He said people have been saying it wrong for 11 years. Umanura.

Umunura. Ooh, like, ooh. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. Yeah. Ooh. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, but he allowed people to say it the wrong way. Um, manure. Hey, your middle name is El Dorado? Yes. And I actually, I, I've come out with a candle line. Um, and one of the, one of my candles is we, we came up with a fragrance derived from my middle name, El Dorado, which, uh, which is, I think it's a, it's a, it's a, is a, is it a French?

It's a, I think it's a French, I think it's a French or Spanish meaning, uh, which, which is, uh, which is a, it's a, it's a, I think it's a French, I think it's a French, that means golden child or golden one. So the gold, so the gold candle vessel that we have derived from my middle name is called Le De Re. Oh, that's tight. I didn't even know your middle name. That was really. That's awesome. All right, cool.

First question, T.O. All right. We've been having a debate in this studio all week. Okay. And this is not a, sure. This is not a trick question. He knows what the Gatorade looks like. Okay.

He's drank a lot of it. probably over his career. Not a trick question. What color is lemon lime gatorade? Lemon line? It would be like a yellow. That's exactly right. Thank you. Theo, I'm team green, dude. So it's all good. Here it is. You can see it. It's yellow. Green, it's not green. Oh, come on. We just had a color expert on who said it was at least greenish. He said it was in the yellow family. It's maybe a derivative of green. I may have some green tones, undertone, but it's yellow. It's got green tendencies, though. It's for.

Yeah. For being a yellow color. Okay, that's fine. Tio's a fucking team yellow. We're all in the same page. We're not arguing over it's, you know, it's, to each his own. Hey, Tio, Des came back last year. Ocho said he would come back and play with the Saints.

What does Tio need to come back and play in the NFL at 47? What would it take? Just an opportunity that's to show that number one that I'm in condition, I'm capable of playing. And I've said it all along. I mean, I haven't actively, you know, sought out to play. But it's a point of an interesting situation came up some months ago and with an owner of a

team and I'm not going to disclose anything. But he looked at me and he saw just my physical, you know, through my clothes. He just kind of just saw what kind of shape I was in. He goes, man, you're like you can still play. And I'm like, yes, I've always said that I could still play. I never retired. And even when I last played, it wasn't because. I couldn't play.

It was just for whatever reason, the Seattle Seahawks, Pete Carroll, they didn't retain me. But to answer your question, it just need to be the right situation. To understand somebody of my caliber, number one, like I said, all I need to do is just come in and show you, obviously, you know, whatever you need to see from me, route running wise, shape, wise. But outside of that, you look at certain situation. Obviously, you know that I'm older. So you put me in the right situation. And I think with a team that could use, number one, someone of my veteran leadership, I can teach and groom some of a team with some young budding stars.

You think about certain situations during the course of the game. Chris, you know, you think about third down situation. You think about Red Zone. Those are situations and areas where I know I would obviously be advantageous. You think about the red zone, that's 20 to 30 yards. Obviously, you give about another 10 yards of end zone. I can run routes in my sleep in 20 to 30 yards. And so obviously you think about mismatches, things of that nature.

Obviously, it said, like I said, it has to be the right situation, right team, coach, who understands, obviously, I'm an older player. this and that in the other. But like I said, if I get myself in the right condition and shape, you know, depending on, you know, who that is or who I'm playing for, then like I said, I'm sure the reps will increase. But initially starting out, yeah, you think a third down red zone situations, I'm your guy. So you could get buckets in the red zone right now.

Oh, no doubt. I mean, I've been running routes and training and doing some stuff just to kind of just, you know, kind of just, you know, activate, you know, a lot of these things that I haven't activated in a while. But yeah, I mean, I've been running on the track just to get myself in shape, you know, doing things that, you know, kind of, you know, fine-tunes and things, get my feet under me. But yeah, I mean, I'm hoping this podcast, this interview can go viral. But, I mean, I would echo the same sentiments of Chad.

And I know Chad obviously could play. We know that Chad, obviously, his career got cut short from obviously for some personal reasons. But prior to that, you know, the guy could play. And I think, obviously now, I think he can still play today as well as I can. What was it like race in Tyreek last year? It was good. For me, I mean, it was a no-brainer. I mean, I'm mad at myself because I should have put more states to it.

You know what I mean? I should have increased the wager. But I knew personally because I know who I am. I mean, I know my body better than anybody. So he basically thought that just because obviously he's one of the fastest guys in a national football league, but he thought he literally was going to give me 10 steps, whatever it was, which was about nine yards. And he thought he was going to beat me in 100 and 100. I'm like, dude, are you crazy?

Like, I get it. The confidence was really high. Obviously, his confidence was a lot taller than he was. but there was no way that he was going to give me at least nine to ten yards and he was going to beat me in a hundred. There was no way. Did you use the race guys when you played?

Actually, I've done it three times. One, I put one time I put my game check on the line. That was when I was with the Philadelphia Eagles. As Freddie Mitchell. Freddie Mitchell can tell this story. Yeah, he can tell the story better than anybody. And I say, and I reference Freddie, is because he put his game check.

on someone else to beat me. He, number one, couldn't beat me, but he put his game check on someone else to beat me. And at that given time, one of my game checks was in excess of 100 grand. And I think one of his game checks was, I think, anywhere from 30, I don't know, 30 to 50 grand or what happened.

So with that being said, he put his money on Sean Moria, who was our gunner at the time, white guy, quick, fast. But with me, my speed is very, very deceptive because I'm a long strider. So for whatever reason, he literally thought that that he was going to beat me. So I don't even know if any coaches know about this or even heard of it. They would have been nervous. Yeah. So we literally after practice one day, we went to the bubble.

Yeah. Yeah, you remember. So we went from the grass field, went to the bubble and we ran a 40. And so they, you know, Sean was like, oh, what do you want to run? You want 40 to 100. So for me to 100, I would blown him out the water. Right. Because that's my strength. The more, the further down the field I get, the faster I get. And so I challenged myself to race him in a 40-yard dash was a disadvantage to me, because if I get a slow start, and obviously he's quicker than I am and I knew he was, then I'm going to be playing catch-up. So I knew that I had to get out on him. And I beat him probably like about a step and a half. Wow. Who were the other lucky or unlucky folks you raised? Prior to that, there was this guy we had, my first time doing it was in San Francisco.

We had gone to, we played in a pre-season the game in Osaka, Japan. And so we had a guy that was on our squad, played receiver. His name is Michael Jennings. And he was, I think he had tried out for the Olympics or whatever. He was a track guy. And so we raced in front of the media and I beat him. that was the first time and then I think

the third time was when I raised I raised Pac-Man Jones with the Cowboys and I beat him too I figured you probably I beat him too do you miss

no with Pac-Man but Pac-Man is fast like yeah he's quick and he's fast like Chad like he won't race me I know if you follow social media

and me and Brandon Marshall we've been trying to get this race going for like the last you know probably like year or so but Brandon keeps backing out He called me out to race me for 100 grand and backed out on two proposed dates. And so, yeah, we're trying to see if that's going to ever happen. But my thing with Chad, everybody thinks that, you know, wants me and Chad to race,

but Chad will never race. He'll talk to where you would think, you know, he's fast. But I would be the first to admit, Chad is quicker than he is fast. When you play with, I'm sure you play with a few great slow receivers. and I don't mean like slow, like just relative to other guys who are lined up outside. I wouldn't say slow. They just have average speed for the receiver position.

Yeah, relatively slower than you. I just look at it like what are the keys to surviving at that position? What's an example of a guy who he made the most out of his physical ability more than people even realized? I'll probably say Danny Amandola. Yeah, DeHola. Yeah. And I say that I remember his first year with the Dallas Cowboys. I think we may have been in training camp.

Hard knocks. And we had hard knocks. And so I saw like immediate, I kind of saw, you know, kind of what we eventually saw people got to see down the road with him. But, I mean, you think about these guys who are, you know, late draft picks or undrafted free agents that come into camp and they're vying for a position or a job. and I saw this guy he was a hard worker. And again, he's not, you know, he's not a physical specimen by any means. But I saw his work ethic. I saw his willingness to learn.

And I was one of those guys like, you know, I wasn't as vocal, but, you know, I think I took the same approaches, you know, that Jerry Rice, you know, had with, with me and other receivers that came in year after year. I mean, he was available. I mean, he wasn't going to just offer you information, but he led, by example. And so when you have guys like that, you know, I kind of adopted, you know, some of those same, you know, same approaches, you know, to how I perfected my craft and, and I wanted to share a little bit of the knowledge with some of the guys. So I was always accessible. And Damien Amadola,

he was one of those guys. I mean, he kind of just soaked everything up. And if I saw, honestly, that, you know, guys needed to improve or anything, or if I saw something to really enhance, you know, what they, what they already have, or tweak a. a few things. Then, you know, if it was something just eye popping that stood out, then I would, I would give them that feedback. But, you know, I was always open to guys that came in year after year that were free agents that really kind of watched me when they were in high school or college. And now they're on the same playing field, a practice field, and wanted to know, okay, how do you get better? And so Danny Amadola was one of those guys that I saw, you know,

in training camp. I mean, hard worker. I mean, again, you know, took advantage of the opportunities that were given to him. And he made himself into really, uh, really kind of a, a slot receiver. You can think of, you know,

Wes Welker. You think of, uh, Jules. Yeah. Jules. Yeah. Elman.

Um, those guys like that. So, um, yeah, he's one of those guys. What's the key to being a, you,

you're great, obviously number one. I mean, you know, um, for my money, um, maybe the best that ever did it.

I'm looking at guys that are number twos and have carved out careers being number two's. And it's kind of like people look at them. him differently, but that's a different skill set probably in and of itself. What are the keys to being a supporting role, kind of the rob in in a receiver room? I think the keys is just taking advantage of the opportunities, knowing that the number one is going to, you know, he's going to make plays. He's going to, you know, obviously take a bulk load of kind of the plays or passes.

But a really solid number two is somebody that's going to benefit from the double teams. there are going to be games where, you know, the number one guy is going to be taken out of the game plan, you know, just with, you know, defensive coverages. And then, you know, depending on what the game plan is to attack, you know, the opponent. So you can have, you can be a number two and put up number one type numbers. Right. But that doesn't mean you, that doesn't mean you're a number one. Because once that number one leaves and you're putting in that number one position, then you're going to have to duplicate what you did as a number one. two. And that's hard to come by. And there's been a couple of examples that I've seen

throughout the course of my career where just because you're a number two and you're putting up number one numbers and then, you know, you go off on your own free agency and you're getting paid like a number one, then you're going to have to produce like a number one. But just because you're getting paid like a number one doesn't mean you're going to have, that doesn't mean you're going to play like you're a number one. And there's been a couple of examples of that. Back when I played, when you think of maybe, like I said, I'm not dating myself, but I remember with the Buffalo Bills, they had two receivers that were, you know, pretty dynamic. And Eric Moles and Peerless Price. Right.

And Eric Moles were, you know, he was the number one guy with the Buffalo Bills. And because of the attention that he garnered and Peerless benefited from that. And he was putting up, you know, kind of like equal or better number. numbers than Eric Mose. And then he went into the free agent market and got paid like a number one. And he went to the Atlanta Falcons. And might I tell you and might I say, he didn't pan out so well just because you got paid like a number one, you're going to have to produce like you're number one. And he didn't do that with Atlanta Falcons. And I mentioned that before. And he literally, he got upset because I pointed that out. And it wasn't anything personal. I just, just as you told,

as we're discussing now, I'm just pointing out what I saw and what the facts were. Now you look at a situation. The current situation that I noticed where you have a number one and the number two guy and a number two guy is really putting up big numbers. You know,

a couple of years ago with the Pittsburgh Steelers, you had Antonio Brown and Juju. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, and Juju does a lot of things. He does a lot of great things for the football team, but number one is number one, right? you know, so it's just a different kind of great.

You block. You do a lot of awesome stuff. Oh, number one, you're going to have to be like, you know, you're going to have to be a dog. Like, no matter what, you're going to be looked upon to do the dirty work. You're going to be looked upon to make the amazing plays. You're going to be looked upon to make plays out of no plays. And those numbers have to reflect that. And so you saw that once Antonio Brown left, now Juju is in that position.

So sometimes, like I said, you may want that glory and that attention to be a number one, but are you equipped to handle that and do that? And some guys aren't. What's the craziest thing anybody ever did to try to take you away being that number one guy? Oh, my gosh. I remember this, I love this question. I was in Dallas, and I remember Michael Irvin was on the sideline. I didn't know he had come to the sideline, but I had gone out, flanked out right,

toward on the right side of the formation and we just happened to be on our side. I was close to our sideline with the Cowboys. And when I went out, I didn't notice, but they had put a defensive back on me and they put a linebacker on me as well, and they had a safety over top. And an angel.

So literally, it was almost like I felt like a gunner for a second. I'm like, wait a man, I'm like, what is this? And I remember, and I remember Irvin's reaction on the sideline. He, I mean, he couldn't believe it. He's like, yo, what is this? Like, I've never seen anything like that. Yeah. No, I mean, it's a lot like that Megatron picture that's been going around with him

and two players on the other team down in the red zone kind of splitting him in the low red, which is insane. Right, right. And so, I mean, for me, that let me know that not that I had arrived, but that I was a force to be wrecking with. And so that's a, that's, that's, that's a good feeling to have. Oh, yeah. When, when, when the defense is sacrificing, you know, one of the interior guys to go out and cover, you know, a guy that's, you know, that's pretty, pretty dominant on the outside.

Yeah, the best compliment I could ever get or I didn't get it ever anywhere near as much as you. But like, if somebody on the other team was like, oh, we talked about you, you know, like, or we had to work. about you or we plan something for you. Yeah, I've heard those. That's the true measure of how great you are. Right. I mean, I think I was, I think of last year or a year before, you know, Ray Lewis, I got, I got to talk to him a little bit. And, and his son and my son were going to school at FAU.

And we just had a, you know, I had a chance to just sit back and talk. And he was talking about, you know, you know, game we can leading up to the games. Like, you know, we have, you know, you have those guys. you marked out like who's important, like who, who's the most dominant, who you need to stop and things of that nature. And so I was one of those guys that, you know, I was a point of emphasis, you know, for the defense of not to let me get the ball. And obviously, like I said, once I get the ball in my hands, you know, I'm obviously going to try to do something special with it. More than a thousand catches in your career. If you're directing the highlight real of your career,

Are you closing with that 98 wildcard game where you're sandwiched at the goal line on the game winner from Steve Young? No, I don't know if, now I don't know if I'm closing out with that. I honestly, I wish I could, I wish somebody could give me a clip or make me up a highlight tape of all 153 of my touchdowns. And I'm sure. My producer. My producer. Hey, we can do that for you. We can do that for you.

The fucking. Yeah. Yeah, I wanted to be like, I wanted to be like really something special, like with the music in the background, some, some cinematics to it. But, but yeah, I mean, I don't know if I would close with it, but I've had a number of catches that I think, when you think of 153 touchdowns, like some I've probably even forgotten. But there's a lot, I mean, of 153, there's a lot of touchdowns that a lot of fans haven't seen. Right. And so even now when people talk about like who's the greatest for. They start comparing myself and Randy and Jerry.

Again, Randy made some great over-the-top catches. You know, that's what made him special. But I think of all of us, all three of us, I always say that I was a mixture of Randy and Jerry with a little sprinkle of T.O. in there because I embodied a little bit of both of those guys. But I added that element of that physicalness, the physicality of the game. And with all of us, we had that run after catch. But I think I was just, I was just a unique, you know, I ran with power.

I ran with passion. And I think, you know, that was part of the West Coast offense as I knew it and and I adopted to it was that, you know, we took the short pass and we took it the distance. I wasn't really known as one of those guys that took to take the top off the defense until I got to fill it. And that was because I had a quarterback that, you know, that had a hose of an, of an arm in Donovan McNabb. And that's not a discredit to, you know, the quarterback that I had in San Francisco. But you have to just call it for what it is.

Jeff Garcia wasn't that, you know, pocket type of prototypical pocket passer where he had, you know, an arm that he's going to throw 50 to 60 yards down the field. And then I only had a few years with Steve Young. So I didn't really get to jail and really flourish. under him like I know I probably could have as he and Jerry had that connection. So when I went to Philly, people really got to see the speed that I had. And obviously in Dallas as well, playing with Tony Romo. With Jeff, was Jeff right-handed or left-handed?

Right-handed. So how big of a difference was that going from Steve, who is great anyways? And like, again, no, not taking anything away from Jeff by comparing him to Steve, but there's only a couple Steve Youngs in the history of the game. So, like, Jeff was actually, he was in St. Louis when I was there. He did a grad assistant kind of year. And he's the coolest dude ever. But as far as like catching a ball from him after Steve Young, lefty to righty, is there a big difference with. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, you feel it immediately after going after catching so many passes or a few years of Steve Young, catching the rotation of a lefty. And then you catch it, you know, from a righty that's going to inter. your hands a bit differently and it's going to spin differently. So that's something that I had to get adjusted to and accustomed to. But again, it only takes, you know, maybe a few practices or so

to get that, to get familiar rise with it. Another thing besides, like, which I had no idea, because if I'm catching a football, it's an accident. But like, you know, but over the years, I heard receivers tell me, like, oh, that guy throws a really catchable ball or that quarterback that I thought was really good. He may be really good and productive, but man, you don't like catching the balls he throws. Were there guys that threw like an underrated catchable ball that you played for that maybe weren't as good,

but you loved catching footballs from them? I mean, there's a number of backup guys. I mean, yeah, I mean, they just don't get the opportunity. Yeah. But for whatever reason. What is a catchable ball? I mean, like, you know, put that into terms for a dealignment. For a catchable ball, obviously.

I would obviously think that it's obviously a ball that's consistently in the catch radius of the receiver. And depending on, I guess, the route that's being thrown, where the location of the ball, again, you think about deep balls. You have certain guys and you see that their balls are like always on time. Like there's the trajectory of a beautiful, beautiful pass. I mean, I'm thinking and now, I'm envisioning NFL films and it's slow-mo, and you see that ball released from the quarterback's hand, and it's just going at the trajectory at a flight to the receiver's hands, and the receiver doesn't have to even break strike.

I'm thinking about Nick Foles throwing to Tori Smith on the flea flicker in our NFC championship game against the Vikings. That thing just was like a punt and fell right in his hands. Exactly. I mean, that's a skewer. set. I mean, you think about one that I'm thinking of now that we're talking about just precision and timing. Just think about the past that Eli threw to what's the name with, yeah, and double, it was covered too. And it went right in between the safety and in the corner right on the outside

edge and Cunningham made that catch on the sideline. And that was, I think it was a key third down play. So those are things like that, man, that makes, you know, the game of football so beautiful. And you think about the skill set of some of these guys that are, you know, like said, aren't known for throwing the ball deep and down the field. But just the trajectory and just the ball accuracy of some of these guys is a beauty to watch. You mentioned Donovan's arm. You know, you guys obviously had some back and forth. you guys better than you were now or is it like still kind of a thing that needs some work? I mean, it is what it is. I don't, I mean, we've talked about it and we've gone back and forth.

And he brought up an issue and it resurfaced. I thought it, you know, I thought we had talked through it. I thought we were done with it. But at the end of the day, man, you know, I've been very complimentary of what we accomplished while I was playing even after. I mean, and obviously there are people that know that he wasn't or hasn't been so complimentary to the fact that I assisted in his development development as a quarterback and his skill set. And you think about, you know, if you look at, you know, what his stats were before and when and after I got there, there's a common denominator. It was number 81. And so I've always said that I couldn't do what I did without a quarterback. back. And so for me, they would question, there were questions, you know, reporters had

questioned him about, you know, they saw the increase in areas of his game. And for whatever reason, he kind of just miffed at the fact that it was, it was, I was a common denominator of doing that. And so I don't understand, you know, why it was, you know, he had so, such a disdain against the idea that I was helping him, you know, reach, you know, different. statistics and increasing in different areas because at the end of the day, like I said, I wouldn't be able to do what I did without a capable quarterback in the ball being, you know, put in the right position in places. So at the end of the day, it is what it is, man, those are guys. I mean, it's, it's there, I guess they're, they're insecure in their own ways for whatever

reason. And it seems like it's a personal problem, you know, to me, for them. So I just always been confident in what I did and what I brought to the table. And, and I've been very complimentary of the guys that helped me along the way. Do you think, do you think quarterbacks and receivers have to be best buddies to be really productive together? No, not at all. I mean, look at that. I mean, look at that as one, but yeah. Yeah, I mean, there are times like, I mean, I mean, there are times, I was pissed, you know, in San Francisco and some of the things that were going on, you know, with, with the quarterback or my coach or what have you. Um, and I didn't allow those things. to really manifest or deter what I was supposed to do on the football field.

I didn't feel like that would, you know, bold well. Obviously, you know, anything that I did was magnified. And so with whatever, with the situations that was going on, if I went out there and I played poorly, then that was only going to validate, you know, what the media was saying or whatever the situation was going on at that time. So I was a strong-minded individual, and I just went out there and just played,

because I knew like at the end of the day, we're all teammates. We're all, you know, gunning for the common goal of winning, winning football games. And ultimately we wanted to win a championship. So I didn't allow those, you know, those minute type of issues to really, you know, filter to, to onto the field and really just really disrupt the chemistry. The craziest thing was the injury that you played through. I mean, like to get to get back in that Super Bowl.

Obviously, something you're waiting for your whole life. So a lot of people say you'd have to drag me off the field. Like, you were really about that. Like, talk to me about what was the most challenging aspect of that? Was it pain tolerance? Was it functional? Was it, you know, what was it? I think the most challenging thing is I wasn't as explosive as I wanted to be,

considering I only had like six and a half weeks to get back on the field from the initial surgery. And then even after the game, I mean, even that I heard, I mean, there were commentators that that labeled me selfish for trying to for attempting to play or playing in the game. That's interesting. Yeah. So, which is one of those things. Yeah. And I honestly, it just, I honestly just felt like it just because it was me, they had to say something negative about it.

Because I guarantee you, had that been someone like a Brett Favre in that situation, they would have, I mean, it would have been. glorified. I mean, just even with, you know, I guess two years ago, I guess Tom Brady play in the Subbo, oh, I think he had some stitches in his, in his hand. And they thought that was like the most, you know, heroic and unselfish, you know, thing that they had ever seen. But for me, the challenging, you know, it's a challenging thing for me was not, you know, not being as explosive because I wasn't 100%. But I did everything, you know, in my power leading up to, to, to, to game day to get myself ready and try to at least provide a spark, you know, for the team. How many shots of Toradole that day?

I only, I didn't take any toward. That's incredible. You passed up the vitamin T with that injury. No, no, I didn't take a shot. I ended up taking, I think, the tour at all pill. So obviously that, it takes a little bit longer to take effect. But the only issue that I had when I went out to warm up, because during the course of the week of practice, I didn't tape my ankle or anything, even when I was doing my rehab stuff. So the week of the Super Bowl, you know, obviously, you know, as you, that, you know, I guess it's a couple of weeks or what have you.

So that final week leading to the Super Bowl, that Wednesday was my first practice. prior to that I was just getting treatment around the clock doing everything I could I was doing some on the field stuff while the team was practicing but my first time practicing

with the team was that Wednesday and it was so crazy because we were in Jacksonville and so you thought that we were going to have a lovely Super Bowl but during that week it was raining it was cold it was basically it was just unseasonably cold that week

And so I went out there. And prior to me being on the field, I had no indications of limping, no nothing, no pain. And I think the weather changed and the weather, it being cold, it affected me. And so I didn't even know that I was limping, but I got in for a couple of reps. And it discouraged Andy Reed because he was like, he went to Rick Burkholder. And he was like, yo, he's not going to be ready. Yeah. And for me, I was frustrated because I had.

hadn't felt any pain. I didn't, I wasn't limping doing any of the agility stuff, the ropes, none of that ladder. I wasn't doing, I wasn't limping nothing. And just that, that particular day, like I said, it was raining. It was cold. I think it affected really what was going on. And he was, he wasn't too sure that I was going to be ready for the Super Bowl. So Rick Berko, he stood on the table for me. I guess, you know, obviously as the week progressed, you know, Thursday and then Friday, you go over the injury port of who's going to play, who's not going to play, or what have you. And so even all the way to Friday, you know,

Andy wasn't convinced that I was going to be ready to play. But Rick knew. He knew and he saw the hard work that I had put in. I mean, dude, I was doing everything, you know, around the clock as far as treatment. I had massage therapies there. I was sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber, you know, for, you know, pretty much every day.

I was taking the supplements, you know, that I needed to help, you know, with my ligaments, the soft tissue, all those things. I did everything that I could to be prepared and ready for the game. And then on Friday, Andy, the reason I know this is because Rick told me the story, he was like, yo, Andy wasn't going to play you. He wasn't, he was prepared to make you inactive. And he said, I stood on that table for you. And he's like, yo, this guy, he goes, and that's, he called me the golden child.

He said, yo, the golden child will be ready. Middle name. Yep, exactly. And so he was like, trust me, he's going to be ready. And so I told Andy, too, he had a little talk with me. And he was like, look, you were limping on Wednesday. I said, coach, I said, trust me, I will be ready. I understand.

I said, we don't play on Wednesday. We don't play on Thursday. We play on Sunday. So I said, trust me, I'll be ready. And there was no adrenaline on Wednesday, not just the tort all pills. Yeah, that's a big deal. Hey, Dom said to say hello, by the way, big Dom. Oh, my God.

The security. Oh, my gosh, man. This guy was awesome, man. He's the best. He's the best. Yeah. Another Philly question, because everybody knows the iconic picture for all the amazing things you did on the field.

And I kind of hate this for you because holdouts were less, they were less accepted less. You know, when you played, like, you were kind of ahead of your time and that, like, you advocated for yourself and weren't afraid to do that. And that picture of you in your driveway. Right. Were you in Morristown, by the way? I was. I was in Morristown.

My wife's from Morristown. So, so, so I know, I think I know the neighborhood, but I know the picture so well. And everybody knows this picture. Somebody had their fucking shoes off in your driveway, one of these reporters. I don't know if you've ever seen that in the picture. I want to know who it is. They're ugly as feet in your driveway. Hey, they made themselves extra comfortable that day.

Dude, I had, trust me, obviously the reason I was, I was at home because Annie and night we had a bit of a disagreement on something and he sent me home and he basically said look he's like I'm sending you home. He said until we get back he said keep yourself in shape and

we'll discuss something we'll discuss things and we get back. So I'm like all right cool so unbeknownst to me I had no idea I mean by the time I guess I got out of you to the dorm and then got on the road back to Philly obviously the news had gotten a hold of it

and I got to got into my house and I I started hearing helicopters but I didn't really think too much of it I started hearing helicopters and then next thing I know

I heard a knock at the door and I looked through the blinds and dude they had the news trucks basically just banked in my driveway and I mean they had the the tripods and everything set up and I'm like yo this is crazy yeah this is crazy to me and so I you know I had my I talked to my publicist you know and I'm like yo

I'm like what should I do I'm like I didn't know what to do because they were just camped out at my house and so at one point in time I went outside I had a basketball goal you know at the side of the driveway so I went out you know some flip flops and I started shooting some hoops So they got some footage of that. And then the helicopters were, you know, going around. And then I went back in the house. And so I didn't talk when I first went out there. So then I went back in the house and then knocked on the door again.

It was like, yo, can we get a comment, blah, blah, blah. And so I'm talking to my purposes at the time. I'm like, you know, what should I do? So she was like, yo, she's like, you know, go out there. She goes just go talk to them. She goes, don't, you know, don't give them anything. and I had an earpiece. If you look at that clip,

I had an earpiece in my ear. And my pub, she goes, yo, she goes, you have your earpiece? I'm like, yeah, she goes, just go out there. She goes, I can hear everything or what have you. She goes, I'll just talk to you. I'll just give you some stuff to, you know, give to them if it's something, you know, controversial or what have you.

So the whole entire time I'm doing push, push. I mean, I'm doing my doing my sit-ups. Yeah. She's hearing everything, all the questions and everything that people were asking me, what happened. So some stuff, you know, she was like just say no comment or what have you. So that's what I was doing. You know, she was kind of in my ear. That's kind of like having the answers to the test.

So she was in my ear listening to everything, all the reporters or what have you. And so, yeah, so why I took the app bench out there was because I, you know, me, I'm creative. I just wanted to have fun and try to make light of the moment. I didn't want to make it, you know, so big of a deal than it already was, especially with all the media out there. Yeah, it's a little levity. Right. So I just remember Andy telling me to stay in shape and make sure I'm, you know,

I'm in shape while I'm away. So that's why I brought out the ab, Benj. I'm like, okay, well, he said, keep myself in shape. So I figured I would go out there, you know, do some crunches and while they were asking me questions. You had the old school Bluetooth, the, you know, the uncle. at the mall Bluetooth. Right. The limo driver, one that it was probably unhealthy to wear on your hair.

I, um, with the, with the, um, the, the taunting stuff going on this week, we thought we'd ask you, you had a few iconic celebrations. Um, you, you also do NFTs, uh, I hear. If you could NFT one of your celebrations and only one, which one is it? Oh, wow. Well, one, I would probably go with the most. probably the most iconic thing that I probably did. And that was probably the catch too, you know, if anything. Or probably, let me go step back. The most iconic would probably be

me standing at the star, middle of the star. I would probably say that one. That's what a lot of people knew and me doing the Sharpie. Was it Teague that ran up and hit you at the 50 on the star? Yeah, it was George Teague. Have you all talked since then? No, I don't really, yeah, I think we've had a few exchanges, I guess, maybe Twitter or something like that, or people have asked me about that situation, and I've made, I kind of just let them in on, like, really why that happened. It wasn't necessary because I went to the star. You have to watch the game to get a full understanding.

Like I said, I'm not a great storyteller, but as you would get, like, you. On offense, you know, I was part of different packages. There's goal line packages. Obviously, there's three and four wires. But as we get to the, you know, close to the goal line, obviously, you know, sometimes they have two tight ends. And sometimes they have, you know, depending on, you know, who you are as a receiver. If you're a dynamic receiver, they're going to throw you in on some goal line packages. And so that's why that's where I was.

Obviously, they kind of, you know, put the defense, keep them honest. And then if I'm on the field, then they got to put, they got to put a defender. or they got to put a DB or safety of somebody on me. And so I was on the end of the formation. And so, like I said, I could have gone out for a pass or what have you, or I could block. And so they didn't know. So we had a run play. We pretty much had an RPO.

And we actually ran the ball, but I was lined up outside the tight end. And so when we ran the ball, obviously Teague had to come up and cover me. So I prided myself on being not just a receiver, but being, you know, physical in the block and in the run game. And so he basically came up because I kind of started off like I was going to run a route. And so he came up and I basically, like I said, I, we engaged and I literally, Chris, making, he was like baking. I ate I pan I pan I pan cake I put baking on the pancake so sounds pretty good I've done that before I and that's what hey if it sounds good just imagine what it tastes like so that's that's how I fit and so he honestly he got pissed

because literally bro I mean like I said I pride it myself you know for for being a physical receiver obviously bigger than than than some and bigger some of the some of the defensive safeties. And so I pancaked him and he was hot. Yeah. So when I went to the star the first time, yeah, when I went to the star the first time, it wasn't a big deal.

And then when I went there the second time, that was his opportunity to get me back because it was shortly after that play of me panicking him that he wanted to get me back. So I think it was a bit of a pride thing. And of course, you know, obviously, you know, he wanted to show us, show us Dallas Stadium that, you know, they wanted to protect their house and court and things of that, that nature. But that was really why he came out and he, and then he, everybody say he, like, almost like he basically clocked me, but he basically kind of just whiffed me, to be honest.

And I took that hit, spun around, fell down or whatever, and got right back up as if it never even really happened. So it wasn't a bit, a big deal. Everybody's like, oh, he clocked you. dude he didn't it wasn't even that big no he didn't and you know even in slow motion it doesn't look that violent but like uh right but the the sean springs play with the with the football um i heard the backstory here whose sweet was it and how did that thing all go down right so we have uh obviously sean springs obviously i lived in uh he lives in arizona yeah and um and uh we shared a mutual friend and greek eastman who's a financial he was a financial advisor or whatever just a good friend of both of ours. And so I go into Seattle. And so they, uh, I end up seeing Greg at the hotel,

you know, um, before the game. And he had asked me, you know, for like a sign jersey, a ball or something. I told him, I was like, I don't have anything. And I said, um, I said, I'd get you one after the game. Yeah. And so, and so he was like, all right, cool. And so, um, and he said, oh, you can just give me one, you know, one of the balls from the game. What I'm like, all right, cool. So just so happened, we were going. Fast forward to the game, we were going toward the suite of where Greg Eastman was. And I didn't really know that that's where he was, to be honest. I had no idea.

And so right before that series when I scored, we had an equipment guy. His name was Doc, who's still with the Niners to the day. We share a story about that. I mean, he became famous because of the whole deal because I mentioned him. So he was on the side. And so, you know, how trainers or what have equipment guys, they have sharpies, marking on helmets and just this and the other. So he was walking by and literally out of the blue. I just said, I said, doc. He goes, yeah. I said, I said, you got a Sharpie? And he goes, yeah, so he threw it to me. And then he just thought, I guess he thought I was going to write on something or whatever and give it back to him. And I'm like, all right, cool. And I just stuck it in my sock. And so, and that was it. That was the exchange with us. And so the next series goes by. The defense is on the field and we're up. And so I just, honestly, I just had a feel like I'm going to score and I'm going to sign this ball.

I just, you know, for me, it was me being creative of the touchdowns that, you know, touchdown desks or celebrations that I've had up until this point. So I was always trying to find creative ways to kind of one up myself. And I'm like, okay, let me just do this. I honestly, I had no idea it was going to become this big, big ordeal, to be honest. I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm probably going to, you know, they want to talk about the celebration. but I didn't know it was going to be such a big deal. That ball is worth a million dollars. It has to be.

I don't know where it is. And so, yeah, so we, again, we go to, we go out on the field, on the field. And I go out to the left of the formation in Sean Springs were one-on-one. And Jeff Carr, I think it was a goal route. And so I just, you know, I got buying. Jeff kind of under threw the ball a little bit. I went up and got it. and I kind of just kind of just kind of took a couple of steps into the end zone.

And then I, like said, I bent down, got the Sharpie, signed it, and gave it to Greg, who was there in the suite. And it had ink in it because a lot of these Sharpies, you don't know if they're good Sharpies or bad Sharpies, because you don't imagine. Yeah, it was a good sharp. I figured if Doc was carrying it around at that point in time, it's a good sharpie. It's a good sharp. It's a good into it.

My favorite one, if I had to NFT one, or if I could possess an NFT of one of your celebrations would be the popcorn. I think it would just look so cool. Oh, yeah. Well, that was one, that was one of the NFTs that I did with Jake Blake Jameson, who was a great artist. Yeah, you were 81 at every stop. If my research was right, it was 80 at Chattanooga, but you ran into Jerry Rice in San Francisco. So you need to tell us about the wine. and 81vino.com,

but did you ever face any resistance at any stop? Hey, I've been here, I'm wearing 81, and did you have to do anything to get it? Well, I didn't get to wear it in Seattle. And that's why it didn't work. That's why it didn't work.

If you were wearing 81, it would have worked out. What's the guy? Golden Tate. Golden Tate. I played with Golden Tate. And I, from what I, well,

well, I heard, he wanted me to pay like a thousand for every number. So he wanted me to pay like, yeah. So I was just like, no. And then even some people, you know, on the low, they was like, you know, out of respect, it was like, yo, let him get 81. But, you know, you know how those young guys are.

You know, he wasn't really budging on the number. And I didn't honestly, at the end of the day for me, I know just the confidence that I had. I'm like, yo, you know, the number really doesn't make me. You know what I mean? I'll make a number, you know what I mean? So I just wore 10, obviously, for for a really the 10 the reason i got i chose 10 it was a girl that i was dating and uh and and uh and in

uh college her she played volleyball her number was 10 so that's why i got 10 oh nice that brownie points right there yeah well too bad she she's she's she's married and i think you know expecting her second kid or something right now um so that happens it happens uh two more things two more things hall of fame you know like i was so happy for you when you got in but i also it was bittersweet because you like you probably by the time you get in you're kind of annoyed i mean you're obviously very annoyed with the whole process one do you feel any differently about like not going a couple years later okay not and then and then two what would you do to fix the hall of fame um probably i would probably have or i would you know my if you had there was a suggestion box

um i would suggest that probably some credible you know hall of fame that have actually lived and played the game, be on the committee to really be on the board to induct, you know, guys in. I think the ratio of what it is now, it should be more of football players, guys that have, you know, developed and played, you know, the game and made the Hall of Fame what it is.

And then maybe four guys from, from writer, beat writers, you know, to assist. and, you know, be a part of the process. But right now it's so lopsided. You have guys that have never even played the game and really going off an optic standpoint and even just relationships or just experiences that they've had with players

and they're basing that on whether guys should be in or not when it should be honestly about their body at work. And so for me, that's why I took offense to it. I mean, not really the first time. I was like I knew it was a process, this and that, the other. although I was disappointed. I was disappointed the first time, but I at the end of the day, you know, I always

say when you align your expectations with reality, you'll never be disappointed. But there were so many guys that, you know, Hall of Famers and just people that witnessed me play. And just with the class that I had gone, I was in with, they just knew that I was for sure first ballot.

And so once I didn't go in the first time I got, cool, I'll be in the next year. And then when the next came and I didn't get in, I just felt like it was just the ultimate disrespect. And so when you think about the mission statement and if you look at the mission statement of the Hall of Fame and what it embodies, you would think and know that I possessed and I embodied everything that that mission statement that mission statement says. And so in my body of work spoke for itself. So when it came to that, I just felt like they basically just overlooked and went beyond the scope of what the Hall of Fame

is supposed to represent. And I think a lot of writers took a lot of personal things into account. And after that, I was like, you know, I'm not, I wasn't, I wasn't too inclined to, to make my presence, you know, there. So I just took it upon myself to do it with, you know, family and friends and, and shared it with the fans of whom it really mattered. And good reception from the guys who were already in. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

I mean, I had so many guys that, you know, that reached out to me. A lot of the guys, you know, which are legends of the game, Hall of Famers that reached out to me. And there were some that they understood, you know, the stance that I took. There were some that didn't like it. And there were some that they were on the fence. And they was like, you know, I support you no matter what. And it's like, I understand why you're doing. It's like, and some guys that I talked to probably a couple of years,

before I had gotten in, they felt the same way that I felt and said that they were going to do exactly what I did. You just did it. Yeah, when they came down to it, they folded. But I'm one of those guys. If I say I'm going to do something, I'm going to do it. And at the end of the day, I had a really a conversation with my family. If they had basically kind of encouraged me to go, then I would have taken that into consideration. But they felt disrespected as well. Because everything that I had done on that football field, it wasn't only just for the organizations that I played for. My family, my grandmother who passed in 2012, they were the inspirations for what I became on that football field. I never thought I would play beyond the collegiate level. I wasn't highly recruited coming out of high school. And like I said, I got drafted late third round. So like I said, I didn't come from the worst of situations.

but I made myself into a Hall of Famer unbeknownst to really a lot of people that saw me and witnessed me in high school and college that never knew or had an inkling of an of an idea that I would probably be a Hall of Famer one day. 81 Vino and Intercept Wine go head to head who wins. Intercept being Charles Woodson's wine. Oh, I got to. I mean, the name intercept is very clever. It's very catching, but I mean, I got to go with 81.

You got to catch a touchdown on him. Oh, yeah, of course. Hey, if you look at the head-to-head matchup with me and Charles Woodson, I would have to say that I came out on top. Oh, I'm not getting in the middle of this one. You two or two of the goats, bro. Hey, hey, all you got to do is just check the stats, bro. Okay.

Trust me, I almost had like 200 yards on this guy or the teams that he played on. And like I said, he was the guy that was covering me on the field. Well, that would have been a fun one to run the tape back on two of the absolute best. We got in 2022 potential, we have Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Tori Holt, Heinz Ward, Steve Smith, Jr., senior, sorry, and

Anquam Bolden, those are the main wideouts that are up potentially in 22. That's a lot of people who are Hall of Famers here, you know what I mean? But Andre... Hey, somebody... Hey, who's going to be mad? That's like having all those guys on one team, and there's only one ball. Right. Somebody's going to be mad. Who's getting the ball?

In 22. Andre Johnson. Reggie Wayne, Tori Holt, Heinz Ward, Steve Smith, Sr. And Anquan Bolton, who I know is not going in first, but Anquan Bolden, in my opinion, is a Hall of Fame. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you got to think about it. I mean, you look at Tori Holt, you think about Reggie Wayne.

I mean, these guys are very, very consistent. You know, help their teams win Super Bowls. So, I mean, obviously that they feel like that kind of factors into or submits, you know, your, your, your um your hall of fame not um so i don't know like said steve smith i mean he has the numbers um like said that's that's that's a tough class at that like i said at the end of the day somebody's uh or a few people are going to be upset i'm no doubt about it was good to see izic get in and i'm hoping troy follows him soon after because those guys were absolute fucking i mean yes absolutely

i mean playing against them i mean like said they were like they were considered the greatest show on turf. Like I said, it was it was deflating seeing those guys run through our defense. I mean, left and right. And there's no great a show on turf without those two guys. Right. Yeah. Come on now. So. Absolutely. Let's close with doing the obligatory top five wide receivers in today's game so we could put a graphic. Before we do that, though, I want to make sure before we go out, I want to make sure that everybody knows where to go get that wine, my 81.

Do it. Do it. Do it. Yeah, you are definitely. It's a, it's, it's, it's a, it's, you're a cab blend, if you're a red wine lover, I think this, this is definitely a wine for your palate. It's a cab blend. It's a cab grenade blend with 95% cab, 5% sarah. So if you have a taste for really, I would say, a right black cherry, dark chocolate, plum preserves, a hint of cinnamon stick aromas. Yeah, this is, this wine is for you. Definitely check it out. out. It's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's grown in the the up in uh up in north northern California in the Pasa Robles vineyards at the Lavinia winery. Um, definitely this is something that I was a kind of like I said it's kind of came to a shop to me to be involved with and I I got involved

with it because of another Hall of Famer who just passed some you know almost a year ago. Um, Tommy Lassorter. Oh yeah. Yeah, so I partnered with him and his, in the sort of family wines. So I couldn't be more ecstatic about it. So, yeah, so if you have, like I said, a taste for just a red blend or red wine, 81 is it for you. And obviously, yeah, go check out Charles Wilson's wine as well. I hear he is. After 81.

Exactly. I hear his is pretty good. No doubt. Hey, it's all about the tannins, bro. That's what my man, Will Black. Well, yeah, well, mine is the tannins, the tannin is more on the drier side. Okay, there we go. So I wanted to stay away from that.

So the feedback that I gave them is really what you're going to taste and you're going to enjoy when you drink 81. So those things that I've mentioned, that the tasting notes, dark chocolate, cinnamon stick aromas, the ripe, ripe black cherry. And the henym, what does I say? Yeah, plum preserves. That's, and it's a smooth taste. The sarah kind of softens it up a bit, so it's not as dry as those tenens, which tenon means. Could drinking 81 improve his 40 time? Do you know what?

Tell him what your 40 time is before he answers the question maybe. T.O. and I are both like 6364 guys. Same build. I check in about 165. My 40 time, it's been so long now, literally. It was 6.1. 6.1. 6.1. Could that make him faster drinking 81?

Oh, absolutely. If nothing else, after he drinks, maybe a glass or two, he's going to feel like he's faster, even if he's not. Yeah, there we go. So it's all about the feel. I love it. Top five wide receivers in today's game. Who does Theo like the walk?

Oh, today's game? Oh, my gosh. I'm going to give you Devonte Adams, DeAndre Hopkins. This is not any order, by the way. Antonio Brown Michael Thomas Hmm I like A.J. Brown a lot

When you were talking about in the West Coast offense guys Yeah, AJ I would say I would say A.J. Brown too. And then on the outside of that, I'm out of D.K. Metcalf. For me, like I said, a number of the guys that I've mentioned,

obviously, like I said, AJ Brown, like he's proven himself over the last few years is just a consistency. That's what's so key and really guys, becoming Hall of Famers. Yeah, you can be good, but what makes you great? And so those are some of the things of the guys that I've mentioned is just to, they've been very pretty consistent with the teams that they've played with. Absolutely. You heard it here. Terrell Owens. Terrell.

Fuck me, dude. Did I do it again? Yeah. No, I didn't. Yeah. What percentage? No, I did it right the second time. Didn't that say, which is it Terrell? No. I said Terrell and I said Terrell at the same time. You said Terrell. I thought I said Terrell the first time. That's all right. Fuck me. Dude, one time I had Matthew McConaughey on here.

I called him Matt off the top and he was like, no one calls me Matt. And then the interview started. Well, he was much cooler about it, but you can imagine. All right. So you want to close it out? You want to close it out? Terrell Owens.

Okay, there we go. 81vino.com. Yeah. Thank you for joining. Absolutely. I got a lot of things brewing too, not just the wine, but I got a candle line coming to. Go to SoulTreeora.com.

I have candles. I already mentioned the one, which is the goat, which is the, it's the wine pairing candle. It's called La DeRay, but I haven't mentioned, we didn't talk about it while we're on the show, but my three pillars of success is my three Ds, it's desired, dedication, and discipline.

So we have candles designated, and fragrances, desistens designated to those three pillars. So there's a fragrance, for desire, there's a fragrance for dedication, there's a fragrance for discipline. And I've already told you about the wine pairing one, which is in a gold vessel, lay deray, which means golden one or golden child. And my clothing line, who also is coming out, which is obviously a derivative of what I, you know, accomplished throughout the course of my career. It's called Prototype 81.

And how I got to the name of Prototype 81, this is going to, you know, you guys are going to hear and understand my creativity I'm bringing to you right now is that I wanted to have something unique. Obviously, prototype, you think, oh, that's not really unique. Obviously, 81, that's my number. But if you think about prototype and you look up the definition of prototype, you will come up with a definition similar to it goes or it reads the basis on which something is made or formed. All of us are prototypes in a sense. and so for me, I'm Prototype 81, which obviously, you know, a reason my 80, my numbers at the end.

But if you think about, this is the creative part. If you think about the word prototype, just you see it. You can't spell prototype without T.O. I like that. I like that. But the only problem is they're only making one of you. There's not another T.O. I haven't seen another T.

Exactly. So that's what I'm saying. I'm prototyping. There's millions of prototypes across the world. Yeah, you can't repeat that. I just happen to be, right, I just happen to be Prototype 81. Yeah. So that's getting ready to launch here pretty soon.

It's a units, it's a men's and women's line. Yeah. And I have a small collection for all the people, your listeners, your female listeners out there with kids. I have a small collection for kids called Prototype 81 kids. So yeah, it's hoodies, joggers, crop tops, leggings, teas, things of that nature, which really some bold prints, really kind of reflective of my career, just unique. bold and just you know very fashionable we're going to be lighten desire not desire here what's the other one dedication desire dedication and discipline is going to be right here

that's right in the fucking workplace yeah okay right desires for the house and that's the idea of all the candles you know you light those you're there's intention um behind those candles this is all we got here is just some gas station prayer candles we need some t-o candles Tio. Oh, dude, man. Come on, we got to get you. Hey,

when I, I got to come back on the show. I'm going to look at some, some more episodes. I want to see desire, dedication,

discipline. You on this? I want to see. I want all three. Overnight. Put my name on it, though, because he's looking for my name on it.

Yeah. I want to see those. Like I said, all your listeners, pre-order, go to SoulTree. Sultryora. com.

Look up those candles. Dude. Get you some cameras. You're the man. Thank you so much for the time. And come back. Oh, man. I enjoyed it, man. Anytime. Okay, bro. See you.

Let's do good, bad, ugly. All right, number one for me, Jenny Taff, putting Skip Bayliss in his place. Rightfully so. Holy shit. Jenny Taff, hats off. I don't have a hat on me. Making... Like cameras. You and Taylor, awkward matching Waterboys hats.

I know. Yeah, I didn't point that out until now. Usually have a backup somewhere. Super awkward. Yeah, but Jenny Taff, she's great a way. what she does anyways and like listen that show there's a lot of debate and discussion and i'll watch it sometimes and be like i want to hear what jenny has to say and then like you know you don't get enough jenny just like you didn't used to get enough carry and carry left and you know that's all

we got to say about that but i like that because skip bailis can be just an asshole sometimes and what did he say whenever he was talking about mike mccarthy's weight or something or his fitness level like but it's not even that there's a long line of skip bailist things that i'm just like that's over the line and have to sit in there and, you know, get made to feel like you can't talk and Jenny fucking snap back at him and Skip didn't know what to say. He was like, that's an unfair shot from you. When you're, when you're sensitive and you're out of line and you're wrong, you take that as a shot. All she said was don't talk about people's weight or their appearance. It has no correlation to how they coach. And she was an athlete. So yeah, shout out to Jenny Taft.

Good. The coach's poll is out I used to buy the heck out of those preseason magazines and I was legitimately fooled by regional covers for several years I was like huh Who's have a middling program this year But we got somebody on the cover that's sick

That's pretty cool I'm gonna buy the heck out of that I know I know You used to get fooled by that There are 12 of them Well I was younger I was younger Yeah right you were looking at Mikel Simpson

When you were like You were like we're like nationally right Yeah. Wasn't far away from that age, but yeah, it was close. Hey, here's a shocker. Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Ohio State, and Georgia are your preseason top five. Awesome. This is fun. You know, I know. That was my first thought. I was like, let's see who they got. And I was like, this is fucking boring. I mean, literally the words out of my mouth. But when I was a kid, I used to look, or when I played in college, I used to get those athon sports magazines to see if we were disrespected, see like, how. highlight things. That's how we used to look for motivation now, kids, they just, yeah, I can't even do that. You were on the message boards too, which I appreciate it. Oh, I did. I looked fucking far and wide. I used to have the highlighter out. Nowadays, it's so easy to find somebody shitting on you. Here, all right, you want a little diversity here? Yeah, let's talk about it. Iowa State at eight,

UNC, a women's soccer school at nine, Sincere at 10, Indiana at 17. Wow, you love that. They're fun. Lafayette at 23. Indiana's fun. I'm on board with that. Just don't wear those digital camo uniforms. No disrespect to the troops. Coastal at 24 is coastal big enough just to refer to them as coastal?

I saw that. And Ole Miss. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the people on the publication that we were viewing the coaches poll were saying to not buy the number 25 ranked team. That Ole Miss can't win with offense alone. And I was like, have you watched college football lately?

A lot of O Lot of O A lot of O I got some more good for you J.R. Smith petitioning to join the North Carolina A&T golf team So this is news to me that like

Well I guess I never thought it through But like you could go back If you were conceivably good enough At two sports And play a different college sport Than you played in the pros Well we will see The NCAA will find a way

To make this not fun It could be so fun And J.R. Smith Could have a whale of a time off the course, if you know what I mean. I mean, this is like a dream for a guy. He's going to an HBCU. He's going to be hanging out.

He's a fucking pro basketball player. Everybody knows who J.R. Smith is. And he forwent college the first time around. So this is his first goal. Who are the guys that came straight to the league? I mean, Kobe, R.I.P. But like Kevin Garnett, who are some other guys that maybe conceivably, we could figure out how they could be good enough in another sport?

LeBron James. Le Brons, James. LeBron James. How many sports could LeBron James play collegiately? Seven. At least. So what sports should LeBron James play when he finishes playing pro basketball? Rowing.

Rowing. If he was at Stanford where they have 45 sports, he could probably play 25 of them. He should go be J.R.'s caddy and look at him like, what the fuck are you doing? You know what I mean? That's good. LeBron James, this is a big laugh. LeBron James could do seven to 14 college sports. No disrespect to those players.

But like when you finish, easy money. We might have that in football soon. Guys might be going straight out of high school to the pros. Acne in training camp. Hundreds of thousands of dollars in their pocket to training camp. Oh wait, no, NIL. Can NIL, is that high school too?

Well, they're about to start letting guys. Why the hell not? Why the hell not? We need to get to a high schooler. We need to get to high school. Context. We can make some real money. Just don't clip that, please.

We got to keep that. I got a real good, good. Kids playing baseball and corn. Heck yeah. Anybody playing baseball and corn is awesome. I think it's cool. I love... Maze.

I love Maze. I love Maze. I also just love fantasy fields. We talk about this probably once every six months. if we haven't talked about it before in the pod. But if you could build a baseball field anywhere, where do you think it would be? Field of Dreams, Iowa.

Yeah, exactly. But second, for me, it would be like if you could hit a dong into a volcano, that'd be pretty cool. Very cool. You couldn't hit one over like Angel Falls or anything like that because that would be predicated on you building a baseball field over the river.

But I was thinking, realistically, the place they should have had a baseball field long ago, whenever Chavez Ravine just implodes because it looks like it's headed there but it's really a gorgeous place fucking under the Hollywood sign

Lake Hollywood Park look it up look at the views from Lake Hollywood Park not everywhere it can be like Bush Stadium in St. Louis who like listen the only homerism in me when it comes to baseball fandom in St. Louis is that they built the perfect stadium looks right through the arch

looks right over the river into beautiful East St. Louis. A ballpark down there under the Hollywood sign. Sunset over third base. Just got to worry about light pollution, I think. Maybe only day games like Wrigley back in the day.

Yeah, no, no, that could be tight. Just imagine like Rose Bowl lighting. Yeah. Which I guess you get at Chavez Ravine, maybe, through the smog. Pretty cool to see Kevin Costner out there. Baseball imitating art? Life imitating art?

Yeah, kind of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. more baseball. I'll give you my bad. Phillies, two straight. They lost since I bet them. There was a giant lightning storm that looked apocalyptic as fuck in

South Philly. The other night was cool looking, but it looked like a bad omens some people were saying. Some people were saying that I curse the Phillies. I hope not. I love them. Cody Bellinger had a nine minute at bat. Ended in a two-run Homer. Did you see this? I did not.

Nine minutes. He fouled off nine pitches, bro. 13 pitch at bat. Nine minutes. 13 pitches took nine minutes? Yeah, dude. Hey, baseball. No, no.

Change your shit. But it's Cody Bellinger. He just, he'll get out there and fucking walk out of the batters box and do like a Sudoku puzzle. Sudoku, whatever. That was the most boring shit in the world. I used to see people do that on planes.

I'm like, fucking stick the crosswords. What are we doing? You were back there with your skull and your peanuts. Nice con attempt. Codyac, Wintergreen. Hey, the Blue Jays are 2 and O since I told you to bet on the Blue Jays, the fourth place, Blue Jays.

Yeah, that's cool. This is a buy low situation for me. Is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I bought them high and that made them go low and now they're going to go high again. I're going to buy again low. Yeah, I'm going to buy. Okay.

A lot of buying. Okay. My bad is my brain. Our vehicles require decals in the parking lot so it was not to get towed. Yeah, yeah. where I work at my real job, not this soul-sucking hobby. So I was handed the number 37. I saw a stack of other numbers.

And I requested, hey, can I get 42? Like I don't want to be too far down line. Yeah. Not a little Jackie Robinson, no big deal. And I was told 37 and below were available. So I said, oh, can I get 32? Answer, sure, from somebody I don't know very well. And then I thought, oh no, can I get 21?

Sure. And then I said, oh no, can I get 13? Really? And then she was like, are you sure? And I was like, yes. So then I walked out with 13. The unlucky number 13. To put on my car.

So now I'm driving around like zero accidents lifetime. Coming right around the corner. No doubt about it. So I don't, I could still, I haven't put it on yet. Maybe I can go back, ask for you to, of a fifth number, but 13, I used to not like, does it correspond with the parking space? No, no, no, not with a space.

You just stick it on. It's like a jersey number for your car. So just change the number. Yeah, I could, but to what? Because I really do like 13 these days, but maybe not for a car. I don't think it matters, dude. Yeah, because the reason why I like 13 these days

is because I like to think I'm no longer superstitious, but by being not superstitious, I'm kind of superstitious. It's the dumbest thing in the world, dude. It's the dumbest thing in the world. For years I did stupid shit like in St. Louis. Like years, okay? It never changed.

It never changed. So maybe superstition doesn't like me. I just don't think it's real. In Minneapolis at the Final Four, like I was trying to step on every crack on the sidewalk. And I would do push-ups and sets of 13. I was trying to do everything unlucky. But in doing that, it's kind of being superstition in itself. Superstition is kind of soft, bro.

So you're saying I stick with 13. You stick with 13. I like 13. You know many people fucking never broke their back? That's right. Think about that. Or is it your mother's back? No, it's your back.

Your own back. Let's not overcomplicate this. You know how many cracks people step? There's not been a person alive who hasn't stepped on a crack. What is the percentage of people that have broken their back? Superstitions batting like 0.50. Oh, 0.50. They can't even, they don't send you to single A ball.

They just fucking. That's the amount of, of, of, women born with color vision deficiency. Yeah, no. And it's good to hear that I don't have a deficiency. I got an ugly. Hit me. Schroeder.

I mean, we got to just mention him turning down four for 84. Yeah, he went like Phillies on opening day, 1 and 0 at the farm. Now, Jay Williams says, take that for what you will,

that he's hearing that he maybe wasn't offered. Four for 84? Officially, officially offered. It was like, It's floated. That doesn't make it any better to me. If that's floated, like jump up and grab it.

Just grab it. Yeah. Bring it down. Two hands. Now, secure the bag. 5.9, he can probably still pay the mortgage, but it ain't four for 84. Yeah, good news is Lakers fans won't want to kill him for another year because they, they are a very passionate, threatening bunch when you don't play well. So he ended up signing one for 5.9 in Boston where he'll be called all types of racist names.

Take your pick. Do you want to be, do you want to get death threats like Danny Green or do you just want to be, you get some good old-fashioned racism? My ugly, it's 98 degrees outside. Yeah, but it's humid at the very least and it rained two days, the last two days. I mean, it was great. I didn't see a single drop of rain for like six weeks in Montana. And no forest fires here.

I tell you what's not ugly. What? Nick Lechay, am I right? Crickets, okay. That's a 98 degrees joke. It's a 98 degrees joke, fellas. You think Nick Lechay is a good looking guy? Oh.

He's got to be a good looking guy. You kidding me? Because look at the fucking, look at that hairdo he used to sport and clean up with. I don't, to be honest, I don't really know these cats very well. I was more in the in sync back street boys. Oh, it's spelled like lackey. Lechay, yeah. Oh, that's interesting.

I thought it was L-E-S-H-H-E. I don't type his name out too much. Obviously unlike you. He kind of looks Russian in the late 90s. It looks like a long-lost Grankowski. He's got a sun tattoo on his arm. Well, I didn't spend this much time on Nick Lachey's wiki. You got to see his hairdoes back in the late 90s.

It's incredible that he probably pulled. I wonder if anybody got the, the 98 degrees joke before I had to explain it. No. None of us did. Yeah, I know you guys didn't. Well, yeah, 98 degrees is the temperature. So that was very good.

Thanks. I just caught up. Oh, just now. Yeah. Oh, cool. Well, it was pretty well removed from 98 degrees and we talked about the weather for a little bit. And I know you didn't think I'd have any commentary on the fact that it's not that bad outside, but that kind of broke the joke.

Yeah, no, and I let it breathe. I'm glad you talked about the weather. And to be honest, I don't mind getting a little latherer outside. I just wanted to make a... I just want to talk about Nick Lachie. All right, so Dr. Fax is in the studio. We're going to be talking some Gatorade. We'll get to that in a second.

But first... If there is anything wholesome, not only in pulp culture, but in life... In pop culture, huh? Not even in pop culture, but in life overall. Seems more like pulp fiction to me. You're not going to be into it. And that's fine. You're not a wholesome cat.

No, I like wholesome stuff. Bullshit. Bluey the cartoon. It's a wonderful life. Troops coming home videos. Macon's Kid. Lemonade stands. Trick or treating.

Especially when kids dress up as like a pumpkin, etc. Holding my kid's hand. Should I go on? These are all wholesome things that I like. Did those all involve kids? I don't know. Wait, no.

Troops are not kids, unless you want kids to go to Afghanistan at like 14. No, these are grown men. But they come home to their kids. Yeah, no doubt. I just like them coming home. Even if they didn't come home to any kids, I would watch the fuck out of just a line of troops coming home.

I would watch a whole line of troops just walking into a arena and waving. I'm home. Doesn't need to be a kid. Wholesome. Okay. What about like 1920s period pieces? Don't like those. Not wholesome.

1920s were really fucked up time. Okay. That's propaganda. Everybody smelled. Everybody was racist. People killed each other. Murder was okay. Treated women like shit.

You like watching period pieces from before women's suffrage? I do. Anyways, I like... Can I be honest? Can I be honest? Yeah. I do.

I like wholesome stuff. I was told I wasn't wholesome earlier this week. He's not really a wholesome guy. I am a wholesome guy. How is Halloween wholesome? Did he say, that? Yeah. What do you mean? Kids dressing up trick-or-treating? I said, here's what I have. Trick or treating. When kids dresses pumpkins. It sounds like you wrote that. Yeah. Okay.

When kids- Yeah, Halloween like anti-wholesome. Yeah, it's not, that's not wholesome. I've never been trick-or-treated. I came from a very religious family and that is the devil's day. So that can't be wholesome. Absolutely. Wait. That's right, facts. He's right. Yeah, well, whatever. And candy and cavities. and you're into that such cool i mean what kind of wholesome stuff do you all like you got nothing speaking of something wholesome gardener minchu is still in the running today news was made urban meyer competition there's still a competition and guess where it started green light pot right here in the green light pot which means he hasn't taken a shit yet that was two weeks it was two weeks he hadn't taken a shit now it's been what like six weeks so who do you think is going to bounce off of that

clip and when he doesn't or he does get that spot who's going to be who's going to piggyback it i don't know but they're going to do it and at the end of the day it's going to benefit us now the first time in a preseason game that he gets just drilled in the stomach by like josh allen the dn down there uh well they're on the same team so i guess that'd be an inter squad scrimmage not going to happen the first time in preseason that somebody just drills him in the stomach he's just going to poop his pants i mean this is not going to go well if he hasn't done dumped yet. I just wanted to update you guys. Another NFL update. I got a tip from a listener that said it would be great if you guys got a plexiglass box like a Kirk Cousin situation for you,

solution for facts. That would be great. Or maybe we put one around facts. Box it out. Just pop boxes up. Full send. I just wanted to update you guys on those two things. We're going to work on a plexiglass box. Whoever wants to get in it is welcome. I volunteer. Hey, here's a first ever for a D-block. Biloxi Mississippi. Hello. Oh, we forgot to say hi to Mississippi. Did we forget or was our A so fire with Gatorade content.

I mean, we were just so heated in that debate. But you know what was good about that debate? We had a color expert on. You want to hear what he said? He said, I'm not wrong. I'm not right is the way I look at it. But I'm not wrong. That's good for me.

No, but you're not right also. You're not right either. You'll hear it facts. It's like he says the word yellow 500 times. Yeah, but he also. says to me it's green color expert he said who used their eyes more yeah Chris has Chris is very adept and efficient at using his eyes it was I am I mean like this many years I looked at us a brown ball quotes doctor he is a doctor he called from inside of a surf shop in

ass atee he's the fucking man anyways you listen to it later you tell us what you think but uh we're here to talk more Gatorade yes we're here to draft Gatorade flavors And we found this Gatorade, your site, cheeks. It looks like a Nike site, which means... Looks like Greenlight Pod Studios. No, come on now. But, yeah, I've got this beautiful lineup of a bunch of colors, and how they organize it is along like a color spectrum,

and we're all on this page that we agreed is the best page for identifying all the tasty flavors and colors of Gatorade. Will you scroll to the middle where you see that green dot? you see that green dot that corresponds with oh lemon lime Gatorade okay would you like would you like to look at what what is that dot on the Gatorade site it's green uh huh yeah okay

anyways would you like for me to read these flavors we're going out because I don't want the people to say oh what about what about that flavor we're going off of 20 that's how you guys all sound when you what about on Twitter that's how I read your tweet it's well no no no My least favorite thing is you list your five favorite things.

No. My favorite thing? I'll knock this out in 22 seconds. Okay. Fierce cherry. Cool blue. Fierce grape. Frost glacier cherry.

Frosty icy charge. Frost glacier freeze. Frost Arctic blitz. Tropical cooler. Lime cucumber. Fierce green apple. Lemon lime. Citrus cooler.

Frost tropical mango. Strawberry watermelon. Mellon, fierce strawberry, strawberry, strawberry, strawberry, fruit punch, fruit, fierce fruit punch, berry, and orange. You know what? The Paul Nicklin division is stacked with light blues and off blues and Gatorage you can only find on the North Pole. And that was 29 seconds. 29 seconds.

Thank you, Cowboy. Cowboy. And we are each going to pick four. Yeah, we're each going to pick four. Yeah, we're each going to pick four. It's a snake draft, as you know, and I know obviously. and I know how those work. Black guy goes first.

And that seems fair. That seems fair as fuck. Yeah. And to start it off. Hold on. Who picks second? Because we are both. By his rule.

We're both white. Yeah, but who's light chestnut? I'm light chestnut. You're like, hold on. Let me put you up to my color thing. To my color app here. I got a color app the other day. Come here.

Give me that pale ass arm. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. There's a color app. Yeah, and LED lighting can really throw you off sometimes, but you're going to be like... How likely are you to recommend... Old LED lighting? How likely are you to recommend color name to a friend or colleague?

Very likely. You guys should check it out. To tens of thousands of people. 10. Next. Can we do better? Nope. You guys know what color Gatorade is. Let's see. What is this?

you know what I'm to say oof you're in the pink family you're a fawn okay so I think I'm going last yeah I think you're going last okay that's fair I was light chestnut all right facts start us off light chestnut sounds kind of exotic kind of sexy I'm in the pink family though do I don't get a cool name

no you do it's called fawn oh fawn fawn right people are fawning over your pink skin oh so I was thinking about going with the controversial yellow Gatorade, but I think I'm going to steer clear of it, and I'm going to go with Fierce Grape as my first pick. Biggest shock of the draft. He's been, well, it is a shock because he's been talking about Fierce Mellon for Eons, I feel like. It's not up there.

Well, I'm going to tell you who's off my board just to give you guys a little heads up. Strawberry. Cheeks flavor. Just a total cheeks flavor. You're giving away your big board at your old. Or am I? Your first overall selection. Or am I?

Okay. With my first overall pick, I'm going to go with the OG. I'm going to go with, I don't want to lose. I don't want to lose us. There's two first rounders here. I'm going to go citrus cooler. Fuck! Yeah!

What is wrong with you? Makin, would you rather have Jack Youngblood or Citrus Cool? Oh my God. Remember when you took Jack Youngblood for me? But to be honest, I didn't know. You played this so close to the vest. It just so happened that we both appreciate the double C. Let's just get this done as quickly as possible.

Okay, well, go ahead. It's your pick twice. It's a snake draft. I know what kind of draft it is. I'll trade you the third and fourth picks for citrus cooler. No. No, more of a firstborn child situation. I can't believe that just happened.

With the third overall pick, I select lemon lime. Green Gatorade. With the fourth overall pick, I select Mango. Yes, let's go. You took his mango and you cleared the dance floor from my actual favorite Glacier Cherry at two. I don't taste bad flavors. I am mopping up on this draft.

Dude, Glacier Cherry came in late in my career and I would, I had quit Gatorade at this point and it's tough to turn down. Fax is up with two picks. So for my second pick, I am going to go with the cool blue. And for my third pick, I'm going to go with good old faithful orange. Orange is more controversial. A lot of people are going to, a lot of people are saying that, uh, that orange is underrated.

And I disagree. No, it is very underrated. A very cold orange. It's temperature. dependent for sure. It is. And that's why I'm mad that Fierce Mellon isn't on here because Fierce Mellon isn't temperature dependent to me.

It's good either way. Okay, well, I think some people are gonna find this a controversial pick, but I'm a big fruit punch fan. I didn't know people hated fruit punch this week. I'm gonna go with fruit punch at three. And because it's a snake draft making you're up next, then you have another pick. Maybe you could rebound.

Really good comprehension of the snake draft by you. Chris. I'm going to have to take a couple flyers here because I'm not familiar with this sugary stuff, as you know. Okay. Ooh, that strawberry watermelon looks good, doesn't it? I'm taking strawberry watermelon. Good for you. I'm taking strawberry watermelon at 9.

And then at 10 with my final pick, I'm going to take a flyer on everything light blue is, is, is pretty good save unc frosty why do i keep saying frosty i'm going with frost icy charge i'm gonna run right out and get one of those bad boys yeah well you're not getting a citrus cooler yuck i'm gonna close it out yuck my ass yeah i'm gonna go with uh lime cucumber it's an underrated flavor the entire flavor is lime cucumber limone no peppino lime cucumber lime cucumber Yeah, it's pretty good. What am I in the lobby of a Ritz Carlton? Guarantees to make you throw up.

They serve lime cucumber limone Pippito in the lobby of Ritz Carlton. They throw some cucumbers in the water. It's rich people water, but it's like full of yellow five. Facts, round us out at 12. So this is a hard choice, but... There's so many good flavors left. I'm going to go with fierce green apple.

Thank you. Oh, a green... Dark green gatorade. Good for you. Good for you. Good for you. Good for you. Dark green gatorade to close it out.

Green gatorade. At a green gatorade early and a dark green gatorade late. That's pretty cool. Guys, what a draft. Hey, Cowboy, you want to read the results of the draft? I got them. Oh. I definitely have the best draft for sure.

Facts. I would not want any part of your. Fersh for sure Fax's squad is Fierce grape Cool blue Orange and green apple Chris has

citrus cooler Glacier Cherry Fruit Punch and lime cucumber I have lemon lime mango strawberry watermelon and whatever icy charge is

Nate kind of has an emerging markets thing going on like he's just taking flyers on Gatorades these are Gatorades they're selling for a limited time I feel like No way.

The Gatorade you got, honestly, I drank one of those trying to rehydrate myself after a night of drinking and it almost... Bad move because it's a Gatorade. It almost made me throw up everywhere. Which one? The cucumber. Oh, yeah.

Oh, that's pretty good. Yeah, that might torpedo your entire draft. No chance, no chance, no chance. Great draft making especially. That was fun, man. Hey, I'll trade you. The draft rights to Frost Icey Charge in $5 for a citrus cooler.

No chance, dude. All right. $50. All right. Keep going up. No, we're good. I like my team. See, I can tell.

Hit us with some facts. All right, so Gatorade. It was started in 1965 on the University of Florida's campus. They called it Gatorade. And do you know why they call it that? Because it was a gaiters for the gators. Yeah, I was there. The original name, though, was spelled

Gator AID. AID. Yeah, yeah. So for real alligators. Yeah. Did you know this? Real alligators? Obviously for marketing standpoints, they changed it so that they wouldn't have to do any type of medical test proving that it was any type of aid, real aid. And they changed it to ADE, Gator aid. Yeah, that's definitely false advertising, which they're still doing. So the University of Florida gets 20% of all royalties from Gatorade. And the New York Giants were the first team to give a Gatorade bath. Oh, wow. And they had beat the Redskins on October 28.

They did at the time. Oh, yeah, October 28th, 1984, 37 to 13. And Jim Burt dumped Gatorade on Bill Parcells because he was angry at him. Huh. Well, Bill Parcells would be a first. one to try it on and that's a pretty ballsy one to kick off the festivities with

and then the most interesting fact that I've seen is that our guy Michael Jordan who someday will be on Greenlight Pod for sure he used to accept a box of number two Monte Cristo

torpedo Cuban cigars in exchange for every gatorade commercial he did instead of pay I guess when you have more money than God like it just doesn't get you off anymore yeah so like for you what what kind of what kind of monetary gift would you take for a sponsorship what would i take instead of money yeah like instead of money um things that you have a hard time getting your hands on that either is going to be beaten down your door after a bunch of all this commentary bunch of pre-rolls or something or you know like something

what's that strain you like that dutch Hawaiian bro so i just grew four plants of it legally and then a friend gave me just less than an ounce as a gift. What kind of monetary gift would you take for a sponsorship? What would I take instead of money? Yeah. Like instead of money. Things that you have a hard time getting your hands on. The Eater is going to be beating down your door after all this commentary.

A bunch of pre-rolls or something or, you know, like something like that. What's that strain you like that? Dutch Hawaiian, bro. Dutch Hawaiian, I just grew four plants of it legally. And then a friend gave me just less than an ounce as a. a gift legally. So yeah, I'm swimming in Dutch Hawaiian.

I probably, yeah, something like that. What would you take instead of money? Sleep, naps. Somebody paid me in naps, like a bunch of IOUs for naps. Hyperbaric chambers. I'll be off the chain. No, hyperbary chambers.

I had one. Did you know that? I did know that. Yeah, I had one. Tried it. Didn't have enough time to sit in there for as long as T.O. used to sit in there. I really like oatmeal.

Oatmeal? Yeah. Also, with a hyperbaric. chamber yeah oatmeal with a hyperbaric chamber I feel like the payoff has to be that it makes you a hall of fame or not marginally better than good you know so like for me I was like is it really worth it to live in here there's got to be a pot of gold at the end of the it's literally a claustrophobic tube you zip yourself in there my rookie year I brought it to camp the vets were like what the fuck are you doing dude rookie year you brought it yeah they're like we're going to uh we're going to bar

we get the night off we're going to the bar what are you doing I'm going to sleep in my hyperbaric chamber. I'm still sore the next day. I think T.O. would just be T.O. with or without the chamber. Gosh, second highest paid player on the team brings a hyperbaric chamber his first year. Yeah, I was trying to be trying to be good. That's the problem. I wasn't trying to be great, I guess. All right, so Cowboy Reed, what do we have here? We're going to do a little quick taste test here on the back of this draft. See how we did. Full taste test. Gatorades. You don't know the flavors. You have made. You have You might have drafted some.

You might not have. Might wish we drafted some, huh? You might wish you drafted those puppies. We're going to find out. They're in front of you, all three of you. You're going to drink them. It's going to be good. It might be bad.

Megan said he might puke. Well, Megan said he's going to have a headache. My first one here has a hair in it. I'm going to tweet it. Well, hey, I'm just worried about all these Gatorades that are going to make the hollow. Do you think you can identify the hair? Taylor's face. I'm just worried about all the Gatorades

that are going to make the Hall of Fame and then call us out in their speeches when we didn't draft them. Right, right, right, right. Like fucking strawberry going to Canton. All right, so how are we doing this? Remember Chris Long. Are you drinking them?

Yeah, right to left. Okay, like you're reading the book backwards. Yeah, like we're reading the newspaper upside out. All right, we're going with the first one that looks like is definitely part of the Paul Nicklin family here. Okay. Everybody's sip. Prost.

Mm. Uh-oh, the misophonia folks. This is a cool blue and I like cool blue. If you have misophonia. This is a fact selection. Go to a quiet room somewhere for the next seven minutes. Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to be able to help myself from doing that after everyone. Yeah, it's about tasting the palate.

This is a lot like what we were talking to you about with tannins and that sort of thing. Don't you think it's a cool blue? You know what? That's pretty good. Yeah. I mean, I know that one. I think you pick cool blue. I think it's certainly in a cool blue family.

That is cool blue. Cool blue. Fuck everyone's eyes work. Thumbs up. Thumbs up. Solid. Drinking alcohol. That's how everybody uses it.

Okay. Here we. This is my, this is my, this was my, this was my Mr. Irrelevant. Oh, yeah, even sounds like cucumber. This is my Dave of Vibora. And it's really good. Yep, you're going for a second sip. You didn't want to do it.

You're both going for second sips, dude. Not as bad as I thought. Yeah. Me either. Maybe they changed it. No, it's always been this good. But I feel like this is something. I would, I saw what,

Oh, you hear that? Ho, ho, ho, whoa, whoa. You guys hear that? The cops coming to arrest me for stealing this flavor in the fourth round. No, no way. I don't like margaritas, and this kind of reminds me

that I'm drinking a margarita. You lost probably everybody listening. You don't like margaritas. Nah, facts is right. You don't like margaritas either? Okay, maybe I like margaritas. You don't like things that make people happy. Yeah.

You know, I don't like wholesome stuff. You don't like people to be happy. I like Moscow mules. I love a Moscow. mule okay are we moving on yeah we're moving on this is another I don't think this is another this is diamond tap this is this is trash this is fierce grape I think you got to measure this shit out in one of those little you got to that purple stuff the white guys they don't have the right pallets for this no it's actually not that bad it's diamond

tap it's not that bad but you do have to measure this thing out before you give it to a child your Marcus Russell what You like the purple drank. Oh, he did? That purple, I want that purple stuff. You ever see that day of Chappelle's Kit? I might have. Who are you asking?

The old Sunny D commercial. The headache has begun to form. Okay, well, I've got three sips of this. All right. What was that? Everyone's right. Fear's great. Fear's great.

Yeah. I'm more down the middle on it than I was. Okay. Well, they're going to all start to taste the same as my theory. Yeah, that's why I have a palate cleanser here. pineapple spin drift see not yeah my pallets not getting this one it's either this is this is orange color yeah this is another this is good doctor facts pick this is orange this is orange is this orange hold on yeah it's just o g orange exactly it's very good that is average it's good

right it's average cup it's reliable okay i couldn't get it i couldn't get is that orange yeah fuck yeah it's orange yeah we're going to we're going to fruit punch okay second row right to left as if you're reading a book back down and backwards oh yeah this smells like fruit punch yeah that's awful i'm gonna red that's so good i'll take a sit bro yeah oh that's good not for me oh it does taste better than it smells actually is a little weird i don't know fruit punch is awesome cold fruit punch hungover is the best one hungover you go to a 7-11 fill it up with his the crazy as you're thinking about being in the middle of camp somebody's definitely will make me gag Like no delicacies.

If you got that Gatorade bottle and it's the wrong flavor, some of this stuff might. Hey guys, can we? Yeah, I can't, yeah. Stomachic is beginning to form. Guys, here we go. Let's cheers this one. This was, this is the best in the whole draft. Prost.

Prost. Prost. Prost. Oh, the fierce, what is this? Glacier. How fucking good is that, huh? Go back for more. Wet the whistle.

Wet the whistle. Wet the whistle. Can I be honest? Yeah. It is too cherry for me, but it's it's not bad at all. You know what this is? Well, it's actually colored like a glacier because it says glacier cherry. You know like in like star, when starbursts and Skittles all do like their mystery flavor, this is always it when it's like white. Oh yeah, yeah. Like yeah. This is like that taste. The mystery airhead. This is like that taste. They took it from the mystery airheads. It must be.

Airheads were the best airheads. Hey, I'm on to this yellow looking Gatorade. Also, shout out to cow tails. They're making a... Oh, is this yellow? This is a green Gatorade. If you don't hold it up to an LED light, it's green. This is what Gatorade tastes like.

If I, for instance, hold it up to your fawn skin. That's delicious. Lillian. Naturally, we called it Gatorade. It's very good, but it's not as good as any of the players. on our team. Terrific. Now we're moving on

to a dark green gate raid. Another one time for facts. You already know what this is. I'm pretty interesting to see what this one tastes like. This is green apple, yeah?

I'm trying to be respectful facts, but these are just too intense. It's like Jolly Rancher. Yeah, green apple is a bit much, dude. Jolly Rancher. Indeed.

It's a bit much. It is a Jolly Rancher. You guys are haters. Or we just have different taste buds than you. Clearly. Clearly, clearly. Have you all back there ever thought about killing us via poison, via taste test?

Couple, yeah. Yeah, that would be pretty. Hey, like, they just start doing taste tests every week. Hey, taste says, drink this. Oh, my God. Like, Reed's got some paperwork right before the taste test. Just some quick paperwork from, uh, from corporate signing all the fucking company away. Yeah.

And then we die from. You just got to get making an edible and see what happens. Oh my God. Save it. Save it. Save it. All right, so this is another one of the Paul Nicklin's. I feel like I've already drank this one.

Good attorneys. Yeah, this one's aight. Cool blue. All right. But we've already had cool blue. This is cool blue family. Yeah, it's in the Frost family. Oh, this is like, like what?

Yeah, that's delicious. The fierce frost. Glacier Freeze. This is the one right here. That's a good. Glacier freeze? Glacier freeze. It's a good flavor.

So many times. This? Probably. And don't even know it's the most unremarkable down the middle flavor of Gatoradeway. It's like getting socks for Christmas as a kid. Is this the blue version of the purple riptide rush? Yes.

Oh my God. Blue version ribtide rush. Okay. Yes. All right. Yeah. Good flavor. This smells like like.

This one, this one's pink. It smells like licorice to me. This one's strawberry. It's hot trash. This is hot garbage right here. Yeah. Oh my God. Worst flavor.

That's the worst flavor we've had yet. Can we agree on that? I think I like the sugar flavors. I don't know. Berry zero. Berry zero. Oh, Barry zero is trash. You can really taste the zero.

Don't love that. Put more poison than that one, Gatorade. Well, there's poison in the, in the berries here. This one's another one of the, we got, we went heavy on the Paul Nicklins. Diamond tap. Again, diamond tap. Gross. This is disgusting.

This is the worst one. The last two ones that we just had. This is just regular grape. Barry zero. this. They're laughing, so somebody picked it. This is a mix. This is nice. What is this? Powerade grape.

A power aid. Oh, you snuck in a power raid. Wow. That was slick. So power aid is gross. Not all powerades. Most of them. You know what I miss is all sport. We got talking about that the other day. What kind of poisons were in that motherfucker?

I was reading about yellow five and all the things that it causes. Like, there's a ton. like infertility, but also like people with ADD, if you drink it a lot as a kid, it exasperbates the symptoms of ADD. So much to the point where you don't learn words. What is it? Existurbate what? You're just throwing like a tea in there that's not supposed to be in there.

Well, how would you say it? Exacerbate. There's not a tea in there? No. Oh, fuck me running. That's probably yellow five's fault. Does not rhyme with masturbate. Sir.

Excerbate? Yep. What a weird word. Yeah. Hey, let's not bury this moment here. They did something funny and it's really bad. Powerade is really bad. Yeah, it is bad.

So a little bit of a shout to the folks at Gatorade. Yeah, good. You're the, the one who makes the most tasty poison. Do you remember when we got the powder Gatorade when you can like pick your poison? Yes, yes, yes. You put as much powder as you want. That was the best when you can like double. You really like sugar.

I think so. Well, we're rounding it out with another pink one. This one's a little bit more like, uh, this is another strawberry something or water. This is strawberry is trash. Something warm, strawberry watermelon. It might be. Last three.

This tastes like a skittal or something. Strawberry watermelon. Damn. It's on my team. You drafted this piece of shit. Yeah, unfortunately. I took a flyer. I told you I didn't know it.

And you, and you like the flyer i took huh the flyer go back and drink some more that uh oh i've poured all the lime i've poured all mine together oh this is my lime right here oh would i want lime cucumber over this that's a hell of a question and i'll never know the answer because i'm not drinking out for you guys you would i poured mine together how many grams of sugar did we just guzzle yeah i would rather have lime cucumber over this thank you for being honest you're welcome since I bookended the draft with a final pick that you would prefer and your number one on the big board, would you say I won the draft? No, because you have fruit punch.

That's a disqualifying pick. Yeah, for sure. Thank you, fax. So I think I won. Hey, frost icy char is still out there somewhere in the world. What were the last four so we can warn people to never drink those flavors? Glacier freeze, berry zero, powerade grape, strawberry watermelon. For God's sakes, don't drink power, egg, grape.

I will trade you the rights to strawberry watermelon. No. Or citrus cooler. But wait, I'm adding something else. No commission on the next real estate deal. Ooh, I was thinking more like no vacation. Really? Yeah.

You would stay here for citrus cooler. No. In a virtual draft. Nope. Okay. All right. Because I think you're pulling my leg. All right.

We'll be back early next week with more just content. Content and debates and such. Good I, mate. Y'all take care. Y'all take care. Peace.