Green Light with Chris Long - Tiger King with Ryen Russillo and Lane Johnson.

Episode Date: March 26, 2020

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Welcome to Greenlight Pod. This is your host, Chris, but for an hour here, hour and a half, I'll be Joe Exotic. If you haven't seen Tiger King, first thing, I would suggest you go watch it right now. You can watch the whole thing in a day. I had to do a review. I'm going to do it with Ryan Rosillo, Lane Johnson. Welcome to Greenlight Pod. This is your host, Chris Long.

I hope you're not watching on YouTube. but if you are, I am dressed like Joe Exotic. I'm really into Tiger King like every other American cooped up in their respective living rooms, family rooms, kitchens, wherever else you're watching this series. You're definitely at home, though. And this thing has taken the nation by storm. So I had to do a review. I'm going to do it with Ryan Rissillo. Lane Johnson, here's why

Ryan Rosillo is really good at picking up on some nuances when it comes to series and documentaries and shit like that. So he's going to have some observations that I'm sure most won't. And then Lane Johnson is from the great state of

Oklahoma. Actually, he's from Texas, but lives in Oklahoma. One of those things. Texas and Oklahoma are definitely trending toward each other. I don't know what to make of if the border means anything, if they're the same state. The more I'm learning about Oklahoma,

there's a lot of Texas things going on in Oklahoma, or vice versa. I'm not sure which is which. But yeah, so Lane's from Oklahoma. Ryan's really witty. We'll break this thing down. Listen, this is hard for me. To describe my outfit, I have a pink button down.

Well, it's like peach. I got some jewelry. I got some turquoise. I got a turquoise fucking bracelet because that's what Joe Exotic would wear if he wasn't in the clink. I have a tuxedo vest over my peach button down, as Joe Exotic would have. If he were at a wedding or a funeral,

an occasion that was worthy of throwing on a tuxedo vest over a button down. And just a button down. I have a Mount Kilimanjaro hat, which I feel like Joe Exotic would like. It sounds worldly. I have a mullet wig. I have eyeliner on my eyes. Again, you can head to YouTube.com to check this fucking thing out. I had to leave the house today and explain to my son, Waylon, where I was going,

dress like this with a fucking blonde wig on, okay? I told him I was going to a Halloween party. The confusion on his face. He's four years old, doesn't have a calendar,

but I think he's pretty sure it's not Halloween. And then I explained to him that in actuality, I'm just mimicking Joe Exotic, who is a viral superstar right now, the star of the Netflix, special and just in these words is exactly how i explained to him and i'm doing a podcast and when he asked me what a podcast was i was like well look around you know look at the cabinetry you know the the viking stove top i don't even know if we have a viking stove top but you get the idea

podcasting son that's what i got to do that's where i've been all day i've been podcasting um And that's why I'm dressed like a fucking moron. Headed to the studio, the podcast. My wife helped me put this outfit together. I have eyeliner on my eyes, and I don't have, you know, enough facial hair right now to have a goatee. So she just scribbled this goatee on. And I think I'm pulling it, pulling it off.

I did get out of the car. You know, my studio, as I've said, It's the only thing in the building. Nobody's there. So I just turn on the camera and go. You don't expect to see a lot of people, but, you know, especially right now. But there were a few people walking down the opposite side of the street. And I got out of my car dressed like this carrying a stuffed animal tiger.

If you're listening, I also have a stuffed animal tiger. I took it from my son Luke's room. And I rolled. So here I am, Tiger King. I'll just say this. We're going to joke about this thing a lot. And I'm glad people are like talking about this dokey series or whatever you want to call it.

It's a fucked up situation now. Like I think buried in this series amid all the what the fuck moments, the like jaw-droppingly stupid. things that Joe Exotic does or how weird doc is or how scummy Jeff is or how terrifying Carol is, is like the cats are just in terrible shape here. The animals are all fucked up and that's what I hope people at the end kind of ties it back together a little bit. The numbers should be eye-opening, 10,000 cats in captivity in the U.S. and then like 4,000. out in the wild. So it's eye-opening because like it's fucked up for the cats and it's also

fucked up for the people living near these places. Like it's scary for you that I texted a buddy today and I was like, have you heard of this farm? Because he lives in Oklahoma. He's like, yeah, they're building that new farm right next to where I live, like two miles from where I live. And I was like, what the fuck? So imagining that in my county, I would venture to guess in Almar County, Virginia, there's probably at least one person with like a really misguided,

dangerous exotic animal collection. And that's kind of, it's kind of sketchy. So, uh, we're going to joke about it. A lot of observational humor, but it's actually not that funny. It's kind of fucked up and Joe Exotics

in jail. So all he has now is podcasters to keep his, uh, his charismatic legacy alive and I will gladly carry the torch for an hour. This is for Joe Exotic. Here's Ryan Rosillo from Manhattan Beach, California. So welcoming to Big Cat Rescue Charlottesville. My good friend, Ryan Rosillo is on the hotline and he, I'm out of character now. Okay.

Oh, yeah. But you do a really good, you do a really good Joe Exotic. Yeah, yeah. I dropped it on you and Meg last night. Yeah. I could hear the game in the background. I'll bring it out. Unfortunately, my best Joe Exotic is during the time of the entire doc that I find maybe the most offensive, which people would probably rank other things more offensive than what I found the most offensive. But maybe we'll get to that a little bit later. Okay. I'll drop it on. Yeah, I know. Nobody wants to be put on the spot to do an imitation. and tell a story. So I'm not going to do that.

I'll do it late. No, no, Rye. So it'll come organically, which is impressive to have the range to do New England accent, which is very natural for you, then to go Oklahoma, which, honestly, while we're here,

I don't know if you've ever seen the Seth Galfinakis skit that Zach does. Have you ever seen that one? No, I don't think I have. Oh, bless yourself and watch it later. But Seth is basically, his voice is identical to Joe. Exotics. So I don't know if Zach was doing, doing an Oklahoma accent there.

Right. Is it the most mind-bending documentary since when, like docu-series since when? Blair Witch? Really? It goes back that far? No, I'm just, I'm just trying to think of like all my buddies that saw it. They're like, dude, it's real. It's real. You know, like, it's definitely not real. Like, people don't actually do that stuff. Like, dude, the cabin, like, what was that woman? You're like, yeah, they just happened the Ponic Ghost figure in the middle of the woods. But I love the buildup.

I mean, there are very few things that have ever matched the hype of this. But what I love about this is that everybody, you know, on social media, you know what happens? And I was making this point the other day. Like, if somebody in your group is way too into a band, you're probably less likely to get as into them, even if you kind of like them, right? Right, right. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

It's like hit songs. Yeah. And then it's almost worse if like your boy likes the band that you introduced to the group more than you do. And you're like, wait a minute, now they're yours. It gets really weird with dudes when it comes to music. kind of stuff. We've tried a lot of times you introduced to each other different stuff, and it doesn't always work out. Well, you've tried to push Lenny Kravitz on me, to be fair. Now, I gave you a Miles Davis

playlist. I never heard action on me on that one. So it might have been a busy day. Might have been. It could have been. You have time now. But the point is, is that I know it's watching it unfold on social media for this. It's just, it's unbelievable because I saw the promo and I'm like, all right, what else, you know, I'm going to give it a shot. You were in on it early. We're immediately like how, how are. And I go, I'm already. And I was mad I was already done and I didn't ration it better like a guy lost at sea. Yeah. And everybody that watches it, it's so rare for everybody to walk away from the same piece of something, whether film, music, television, in this case, a doc, to have everyone go, oh my God.

Yeah. Because the best way to describe it is just when you think this story's so weird and twisted and complicated and connected, it gets even weird. It raises the stakes every single episode. And it's just unbelievable that this world exists. Like, I'm willing to think that there's some really weird stuff that happens out there that we'll never know about. And this was something I had no idea that exists. The big cat world may be the worst collection of people. And the other thing is I don't like anyone in any of the episodes, which is usually a failure because people be like, well, who am I actually rooting for in this show?

And you may be rooting against all of them. Maybe you're just rooting for the tigers. but yeah i mean i think i think rooting for the tigers will be i'm going to put my tiger down now because it's kind of hot uh and uncomfortable um it's hot in these rhinos uh no i i i do i do want to say the rinky is a good guy okay i want to find rinky the guy with would double amputee good guy i think he's got a moral compass solid dude i was rooting for him to get the fuck out of there and eventually uh it seems like he found his way and we talked about him on the phone last night he he is spending, as you said, an exorbitant amount of money relative to probably his savings

account on the, I don't even know if you call it a motor vehicle. What did they show him rolling around in at the end is Spider or one of these three-wheel like Kawasaki? Yeah, it was one of those deals that was like, I don't know if it was a three-wheel deal with the two front wheels and then the back wheel or a spider or a can-am, but then it was like the car version of it. I think it had some poker decals. I think we came up with a term last night

that it's an NFL rookie car. It is because the only time I'd ever seen it was Josh Schwett had it for the Eagles and we used to always give him shit. He would park it outside and it would like be raining and I'd be like, well, how cool do you feel now? Yeah, you got a fucking car with three wheels

that kind of looks like a four-wheeler but it's soaking in there. But, you know, Rinky at least, he accessorized. He had, if you didn't notice, like a skeleton in the passenger seat. So Rinky is good with me. I hope he's doing all right.

I'm not you said that and you're right. It seems like he cares more about the ride than the bed. But when he's at the end in a trailer making bologna sandwiches with mustard on Wonderbread. You saw that too. You saw that too. Yeah. His living room was right here. The kitchen was right here.

And the door was right there. Like there really wasn't much else to that thing as trailers go. And I felt for him. Taxes are both. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I mean, yeah, you're not, no carbon footprint either, to be honest.

but Rinky Rinky's a good guy I will say this though the most accurate line in the whole documentary was probably like the second one and it was that Chucky

as somebody called him later in the show a walking Chucky Garrison was the guy's name the fat guy with the weird hair the middle part in his hair that would always be in like

a hardware store and you're like what you know the guy that was kind of the kingpin the strip club big cat guy yeah the Mark Davis guy He said in the beginning, those big cat people, they're all backstabbing pieces of shit. And when you said that earlier, I was thinking, I don't know if there's another industry

where I trust people less than the big cat industry. And I didn't even know, as you said, now the point of the documentary, one of the biggest takeaways should be there's 4,000, 10,000 cats in captivity in the U.S. and 4,000 in the fucking wild. So there is an underbelly of society here where a bunch of people are doing homemade zoos with tigers and shit. But I think this industry, I stack it up against the tow truck industry. What other industries are as bad as the tiger industry or in the stratosphere? Well, look, the tow truck thing's nasty. But I'm not going to defend the tow truck people here.

But I mean, some of those people are actually just trying to do their job. But the guy who drives the truck, you know, he's just trying to do a job. The people that own the tow truck things or They just turned into mercenaries about it. And they're like making up reasons to tow your car. And I've been on the other end of it where there's been times I've been wrong. And then there's other times where I'm like, you guys are just making this up as you're going along. And that can get really bad.

There's a place in my hometown that ended up having to change. They had to do a whole rebrand makeover because people stopped going there to get gas because they had towed everybody's truck in the entire town. Yeah. That's bad stuff. Yeah. As far as like the backstabbing part of this, it's just where's the permitting? Like, it's one thing to talk about PETA in this, but can I just go outside with a staple gun and throw some tigers out there and I own a fucking zoo?

Evidently. Where are the stater? If you listen to Joe, like, how Joe first got his tigers and I was doing some reading, as I know you have, um, Joe got a call because he had friends in the police department that, um, and I don't know if these were his first big cats, but there was somebody in an apartment complex that just pieced out and moved. and left his tigers like you leave a refrigerator. Like he had a tiger, a cougar, and like a jaguar all in the backyard. Evidently, they were eating garden hoses. They were so hungry.

They were like, which is sad. I mean, it's terribly sad. They were malnourished. They were just, it's the entire thing is we have fun with the characters is fucked up. No doubt about it. But yeah, there's no permitting. It feels like anybody can own it. And the scarier part, if you look at like the Dayton thing,

if you remember when Dayton got overrun with wild animals because some guy off themselves and then let all the animals go, like they could be in your backyard. And they were kids of animals. Yeah, they were kids, animals.

The sudden you're driving down the street and it's like turn around wild animals. Yeah, no, no doubt. No, I mean, like, I texted Terry Bradshaw today to be like,

because I know he has a place in Oklahoma and I'm like, hey, Tigers. Have you watched Tiger King? And he's like, actually I've watched it three times. And those guys are not far from me. And it's terrifying.

I mean, like people, you know, you could be Terry Bradshaw, you could have a spot near one of these Tiger King guys and not know it. I don't know who's got a big cat in central Virginia. There's probably somebody with a big cat. I would, I would, I would guess, an educated guess would be within a 15-mile radius around me, somebody has a big cat. Would you agree? And you've been to Charlottesville. Oh, yeah. Where you live, no doubt. Okay. All right. Manhattan, probably not going to work. You're not having as many yards here. But, um, and then think about this, too, it's, it's, one thing like if you really were to think about the numbers you just point out it's more than

three times the amount of captive tigers in this country than actual in the wild yeah and the guys like you have to be a certain gear right we know without saying kind of who that person is that's in that lane that goes hey you know what i'm going to get into tigers yeah and to think that like the guy who at some point is buying expired meat from walmart not only to feed the tigers but also once he has his side pizza parlor and he's coming out with sausage and pepperoni and john's like yeah that was the expired meat on that pizza like if a guy's selling me expired meat topping pizza but then he's also in charge of 200 plus tigers and the safety of the surrounding areas like how does that happen how does it it's ridiculous it's a it's a wonderful point in my first thought in the middle of a pandemic

was watching him serve the pizzas there's zero chance he washes his hands and if he ever does it's not for 20 seconds. Joe is not a big hand washer. I don't want to bury the lead here because we've gone down the road a little bit. The lead for me is that methamphetamine or crystal meth because there's a difference.

Crystal meth, I would assume there's a boatload of crystal meth in that motherfucker is the most powerful drug in the world. It has to be, right? I mean, he is getting straight men to marry him. And, you know, Joe Exotic, he's not Brad Pitt.

No, no. I mean, he's still good head of hair. He's not fat. Do we know for sure? It's real. We don't know that it's real, but when he was in jail, I don't think they let you keep a wig on. So when we saw his mugshot, he was definitely losing some of the frost. Yeah, but he was like, look, the frost didn't run its way out. They were back to natural roots. So I think that's his real hair. He was kind of low-key. Like, the story's so insane. You forget he's on crutches like half the show. But then outside the genie's knee brace, and then he went from like one revolver to two revolvers, which meant like, okay, paranoia's kicking in. I noticed a second revolver immediately. And yeah, I think there's, I do think that there would be, if you were to title this, and it was all the bullet points of a Tiger King review, you could even bullet point is meth underrated. Because I would have to think, like, and I've had some low lows.

Yeah. Don't know. And look, I'm a real open-minded guy, but I just don't know that I ever, I've never heard. You won't even smoke pot with me, Ryan. How open-minded are you? You've refused. You're like a fucking, like the dare officers spent a year. Like you spent a summer with the dare officers.

Every time I try to smoke pot with you, you're like a real goody two-shoes. So don't tell me you would skip and go straight to meth. I'm calling bullshit. That's, no, that's what I'm like, everybody's got their own challenges, man. So I'm being sensitive to it all. But I think the takeaway from it is your home watching it going, would I ever be? down on myself enough that I would just start cranking meth and marry a dude and have access to tigers. And I just, I don't think I'd get there. Well, yeah, and it's not just the access to tigers.

You, you're like, you're enjoying working in a cage with these animals. Like, you could die any day. You know, that, that girl, or the guy, um, that guy, yeah, it's a guy. I lost her arm, lost his arm. I hadn't, like, he was back at work in five days. You know, like lost his arm and was back at work in five days. That's how committed to this place he was. And I don't think he was on meth. I didn't get that read from him. I actually thought that he is actually also a good, a good character up there with Rinky as far as reliability.

But, you know, it's Joe's magnetism, just, you know, whether it was through meth or some other persuasion. or the big cats or just like his shit show magnetism brought these people in. I do want to say my favorite new meme is and we can go down, we're going to do character studies

one by one here because there are some brilliant supporting characters in this documentary. 2020, this is my favorite meme now. I'm fucking it up. If 2020 were a person, it would be Joe Exotic. And it's the picture of Joe clutching a tie

looking all business because that's what this year has been. This year has been Joe Exotic. Erratic. We've got a pandemic. The year starts off. We're about to go to war with Iran. What else fucked up happened? I know probably five to ten, like, beloved celebrities have probably died. I, like, I've lost track because of the pandemic. Joe Exotic is 20-20. Joe had five husbands by my count. Is this, is this accurate? Am I miscounting? I just want to make sure that we cover this bit, like, to be straight and then decide, like, hey, you're going to tell your family, I've now married a guy. And then it's like, what are you up to?

And it's like, well, meth, but I'm taking care of tigers. Mess and tigers. It's like, imagine being the family members. So, like, this isn't, this is different than just Joe was, was in, in a relationship with another man. Like, these guys were admitting that they were straight, but they were so hooked to meth and so, look they didn't have many options i've got a trailer free in the back you can ride some eight kv and i'm going to take your name like that's him you're going to really like tigers is my point

and yeah that's absolutely true and we're going to have a three-person wedding okay which most people are not going for and then on top of it i'm going to sing at the funeral i'm going to more fully into kenny powers and when we when we have a little get together after the services uh i'm going to have little Caesar's pizza. Yeah. So that actually, of all the things that happened, and I'm a little, even though we're having fun with this, the only thing that I'm really sensitive about would be Travis, you know, taking his own life.

If you watch Josh, Joe Exotics, gubernatorial campaign manager, who I kind of like Josh, to be honest with you. Josh, Josh. Josh. Yeah, in Walmart. Yeah. He's the ammo guy at Walmart and then was like, I'd love to on your campaign hired and he actually watched Travis and at Travis's funeral I can't fathom

being the mother who's then there at her son's funeral he took his own life she's a mess she's in the front row as understandable as anything I can't even fat like I can't even believe she got there and then Joe Exotic starts doing a stand-up routine where he's like Travis he loved you know his little golden nuggets he used to rub them all over you and you're like oh my why did you do the voice now I was trying to keep a straight face for the most serious part, and you bust out the Oklahoma voice. I mean, that was tough timing for me. No, and then he starts going right into a concert,

and then as you said, Little Caesars, and he was like, I want this to be a celebration. And you're like, are you kidding? Like, that was the part. I mean, look, I know there's all sorts of, like, there's so many fucked up parts of this whole thing, him organizing a hit, maybe on somebody else. Like, that should be the thing taking it as seriously as the treatment.

animals and his battles and all these different things. But for him to go, I'm going to turn this into the Joe Exotic Show with full cams, star wipe, right into country music. That wasn't even his, by the way. And then Little Caesar's Pizza. Well, it's the little, it's the little Caesar's pizza, which he also had at the, the pink ribbon cutting ceremony for his newly remodeled trailer after burnt down. Was it, did, was it Joe that called them crocodilians?

Yeah, he was like, and then the worst part is they burned up seven of my crocodilians. I'm like, dude, this guy is just... Was it he's crocodilians? Yeah, I don't know. I lost track. Yeah, I lost track. But, I mean, like from the pink ribbon session, I went on Reddit, you know, reading about Joe and one guy, I mean, I shit you not. You know, he had the...

This is how much of a hustler he was. I mean, it's hard to understand. When you rank and we will the trustworthiness or the, I wouldn't say trustworthy because none of them are per Chucky at the beginning of the pod. But the dangerousness of these characters. I am inclined to rank Joe pretty low, even though he's erratic and dangerous, because he's just kind of a hustler who's going to do whatever it takes to get over.

He's not very smart. There was a story that I was reading about where Joe was doing these mall jobs, right? and a guy who used to work for him was recounting that he was doing a mall job and they had pyrotechnics involved. A bunch of people were there. They did the pyrotechnics. The tiger wouldn't come out. It was just, you know, understandably terrified crouching in the corner of the cage. So Joe said go to the store.

I need you get some orange and some black spray paint. And then you, I need you go get a sheep. So Joe goes to get a sheep. He gets a sheep brought spray paints of black or orange with some black stripes and trots. it out there thinking people are going to think it's the tiger. Like it was just this, this hubris, you know, mixed with this stupidity, mixed with this, you know, hustler's ambition. Shout out to 50 cent.

You know, that made Joe the tornado of just unpredictability that he was, but I don't think he was dangerous. And by the way, on Reddit, to finish my point, this guy turned a profit off of everything. You saw the condoms. You saw the condoms with his face on the gift shop stuff. A guy literally posted, on Reddit that he went to the farm and Joe walked up to him.

Joe himself walked up and said, quote, last time I went, he said, well, the guy on Reddit said, quote, last time I went, Joe himself gave my 12-year-old son a condom with Joe's face on it. And he says, here, son, this will save your life. I mean, like, this is the type of- Yeah, he was throwing out condoms to kids at his campaign rally and the whole thing. I mean, that's the part. There's another part.

I mean, look, the list is endless of shit he does that you go. I can't stand this guy. But I think what it is, is you ever have a friend who's like in desperate need of attention? Just desperate. I think we've all had somebody. Yeah. And, you know, usually it'll be this thing where at a certain age, you go, hey, you know, I'm not going to be a singer.

I'm not going to be a famous actor. I'm not going to be these different things. Joe never stopped. And the tigers were access to attention. And whether it was from men that he married, whether it was people, that work for him with awful conditions that clearly didn't have better options or just the attention of being Joe Exotic. As he says in the thing, he goes, people come to see Joe Exotic.

They don't come to see the Tigers, which is bullshit. But he believed that. And then, oh, by the way, I'm going to start doing some of these music videos. And I would say highly edited. Like some of that stuff, I was like, who's paying for this? Like was it the documentary guy, the director who you may have on who was like, I'll let you do some videos too on top of this. So he's singer, he's doing that.

He's got a TV show that nobody's watching. He's all over the place. But everything was about him being a star to even pretending he's going to run for president in 2016 and then running for actual governor where he got 19% of the vote on his side of it as a libertarian. Hundreds of votes, by the way, I looked it up. It's, you know, in the 500s of votes, which makes me think we should probably temper our expectations for, you know, the country's response to a pandemic that five. 500 plus people in Oklahoma voted for fucking Joe Exotic.

19% sounded a lot better, but it was from his party, which I don't think. I would think Oklahoma libertarian party's kind of high. Well, 500 votes. I didn't know that you looked it up. That's great research out of you. I thought it's a few thousand votes. I think 500 votes. I mean, it's 500 too many.

You could get 500 votes in Oklahoma. I'm not even going to be registered. You voted for a guy. that said to a reporter on the news, it's going to be a ticking time bomb when someone walks in here to try to take my animals, small Waco. Yeah, compared it.

He says it's going to go down like Waco. And then the local cops, like, I mean, imagine being the local, was it Wynwood? Yeah, Winnie would. I think they say Winnie Wood. I think they actually enunciate the E. I was looking at real estate there the other day,

and Zillow. It's now's the time to get in before. before. Ush. Yeah. Because there's a lot of people thinking about it now. That's the next big thing.

What, hey, can we get back to the, the arm being bitten off, which is terrible, because the guy's arm was bitten off. Basically, they were like two years

of construction surgery, we can reconstructive surgery, we can save the arm. And he was like, nah, forget it. And then was back at work five days later.

Maybe the most impressive, unexplainable thing of all seven episodes. Yes. And a lot of people are going to disagree. No, I know this and I'm with you. Go ahead.

Right. Joe was already in his EMT jacket. Yep. While he went out to see whose arm was bitten off. So that means at some point somebody was like, hey, we had a bad accident and arms been bitten off. Maybe one of the employees is on the ground could die from blood loss. Hold on.

Let me throw in my EMT jacket and cameras on the scene. Yeah. I mean, like he scurried into his trailer, which. looks like a bomb went off in it. How many dream catchers does he have in that motherfucker? I mean, no dreams are getting, you know, in, in, in, in, in, in Joe Exotic's dome in that fucking trailer, because he had six in the hallway, I counted. And then he gets, and by the way, less, less, less ATVs, less ammunition.

How about some sheets and a bed spread? Just a sheet and a bed spread, dude. You're sleeping on a mattress, you know, I, you slept worse than I did in college. Yeah. Yeah. It was college. If somebody doesn't me, they'd be like, what's going on? It stops being funny. It stops being funny to sleep on a mattress with no bed or box spring after college. After that, you got to get a real, a real bed. Absolutely. So he scurries into his trailer and gets a, like a rescue 911 jacket, to your point, that he probably role plays in that motherfucker. and he's out there within minutes,

you know, just standing over there with the camera as if he's concerned, then he's back in the gift shop. He gives the weirdest, like, address to the, the folks at the, I don't know if they, do you think that really that they had the cameras there at the time or they reenacted that?

Well, I thought the customers looked surprised, like legitimately surprised. I think Joe's directing the whole thing. I think it'd be like, okay, I'm going to go in and tell everybody, and he just, you know, tell you what, Joe Exotic PR is just as blonde as it gets. Oh boy.

He walked right in that motherfucker. It was like, hey, everybody, before you hear it on the news, someone had their arm bitten off. Stuck it in the cage and down to the tendrils, it was gone. We can do a refund, rain check,

or we can, we just let it die down. We'll reopen the park in an hour. Which one do you want to do? Right. I mean, think about that. Like, all right, hey,

let's just hang back. Let's get a hot dog. And then once, once somebody's airlifted out of here we'll go, hey, this is the ultimate move the drill. If you play pro football, you know what move the drill means. It means when some guy gets a grisly injury in training camp and some callous fucking coach walks over and just says,

move the drill. You know, it says two words to the guy on the ground who's legs sideways, and we move red zone to the 50 yard line and continue the drill. Joe Exotic moved the drill on a dude who just, got his arm bitten off. It was unbelievable. Unbelievable. I have nothing else to add to it. I have nothing else.

Listen, dude. Let me ask you. Yeah. Let me ask you this. Yeah. Because as I went through the whole thing, and I really, I don't think, sometimes it's fairly obvious. We root for the hero in a cool, like when you're watching Take and you're rooting from Leon Neeson, right? Right. You are.

When you're watching, usually the first time you're introduced to a character, you sort of subconsciously ended up rooting for that person. We had stretches of television where all of a sudden we had the bad guy being the guy that we're rooting for, which kind of changed the dynamic, changed all the rules, because usually you always want to root for somebody you like. I kept coming back to being like, I actually think I hate Carol Baskin more when she may have been at the grand finale of this thing, the target of a murder for hire. Yeah.

But yet she accused of killing her own husband who's been disappearing or has disappeared, has never shown up. There was all these facts that they got into with the way she wrote rewrote his will based on death or disappearance and that five years into the day where she could declare him legally dead. She was in there with the paperwork so that she inherited everything. The siblings or the ex-husband who had disappeared. He had divorced his wife, but his daughters were like out of the mix other than like 10% and they were in the piece saying we didn't really get anything. They had nice interior decorating in their house. It looked like they were doing well, but they didn't get a lot of that. that windfall of money. Right, because the husband that disappeared was apparently worth between five or ten million dollars and then all of a sudden just was gone. And the acreage on their lot there with all the tigers and everything was so extensive. The local cops were like, look, we couldn't really do anything, even though we've investigated to talk to her.

She stuck to her story and all these things. So I think when that's planted in your head as a little bit of a seed, you have less sympathy for her. But I'm seeing there constantly being like, well, I don't like the guy from Vegas. I don't like Doc Annell. Yeah, definitely not. Because he's like, he was oddly like in charge. You know what's crazy is when you go through all the main cast of characters,

Vegas guy, Antel, Joe Exotic, Carol, Miami drug lord. The guy. Yeah. He was like, I didn't chop someone's head off of a circular saw, but I was just there. I would go to dinner with that guy. I'm not going to dinner with any of these other motherfuckers. He was the most normal out of the kingpin people of this whole thing. I think the reason is he was very matter of fact.

Everybody else in the documentary is deceptive. You mentioned Carol, by the way. And Carol, who had a brother in the sheriff's department, and that van that they found was brought right back to their Big Cat Rescue and sat there for five days, or whatever it was, sat there for five days, and the police didn't even look at it. So, I mean, that's a major oversight or it's corruption.

uh carol was like look the the van it was at this airport door open briefcase there keys on the seat and the guy was like i believe it was planted there i don't think this guy's abducted from the van yeah and then then even you know as we learn you can't really dust for vomit um but yeah no one does i don't i don't think if you i think if you gave carol's deceased husband time he'd approved out had he been a character in this whole thing and not married to carroll to be actually the most decent person person there. It just sound like he had a big womanizing problem. I mean, certainly not a death sentence. His wife said, by the way, what a sweet she was? She was like, he had a wandering guy, but I'll love him until the day I die. He left her for a girl that he saw in the parking lot. And by the way, I know

Carol said that, you know, he pulled a gun on her, which was the weirdest pickup line. He told her to put a gun on. Yeah, and he just needed to talk, right? So the whole thing is just bizarre. But also, So Carol, Carol's crazy. And Carol, just like Joe Exotic, just like Doc, are fucking evil and crazy. But one is packaged to be, and I think this is why people are gravitated to be like, yeah, but Carol definitely killed her husband at the, the end of this documentary rather than focusing on the things that we clearly know are true, which is Joe's fucked up, Doc's fucked up, all these people, because Carol seems to have skated off with it.

And she's got her little, you know, a submissive husband that she had on a leash on her wedding day. Yeah. After she vowed to a psychic that she would never mess with dirty Joe's again or whatever she. I mean, all these people had trauma. Okay. That's the, whether it was Joe Exotic, whose dad, you know, didn't speak to him and said he wasn't going to come to his funeral because he came out of the closet. If you read about Joe Exotic, he claims he was raped when he was five years old. you know, Carol claimed that she was a victim of sexual assault.

You know, Doc, I don't know what his trauma is, but it's got to be deep-seated. I bet you Doc had a really authoritarian dad or something. Doc is the, he's the lead dog of the Axis of Evil to me. Because he's smartest, he's the smartest. You know he's smart. He's delusional. He's a narcissist. He's definitely a sociopath.

I think all those things kind of like all go together. But he's a real bad guy, along with Jeff Lowe. Jeff Lowe is a masterclass con artist. Jeff Lowe, I mean, his affliction get up, his stupid fucking bandana with the hat over it. By the way, a guy who has not embraced being bald is Jeff Lowe. I think Jeff might keep his bandana and his hat on when he's running through those Instagram girls at the Palm's Hotel in Vegas. Jeff Lowe is a bad guy And I think his whole get-up

Is almost designed to disarm you Because I've never seen somebody that That wears affliction That I'm convinced could get over on me But I think I've changed my mind about Jeff Lowe Yeah, well if you're still rocking affliction At this point, it's almost like you're just Trying to get ahead of it when it makes its comeback

Yes So that part I can kind of respect a little bit Yes. But he, you know, he's got a wife there Who, you know, I thought was pretty cute And yet he's like, our first kid's on the way and then she's like yep and then he's like I'm picking out the nanny and he's rifling through all these IG chicks with like 3,000 3,000 followers and you know they're

cute and he's like I'm I get to pick her out and then he's like and we're going to get you right back into the gym as soon as you have that kid and you're like you said that out loud like who because they're swingers yeah the the gym thing was fucked up I was like what the gym thing was messed up and yeah they're swingers I guess and I can't fathom being like hey you know I'm into this girl. They're like, oh, really? What's your deal? Well, you know, she used to party with this,

this crew in Vegas because the guy had baby tigers. And I'd be like, oh, really? That sounds like, yeah, hopefully that works out with her. And this, this, this blew my mind. I'm glad you said that because my first thought during that whole sequence was imagine being a girl in one of those Instagram posts and thought nothing of it. Thought nothing of it rode Jeff Lowe and his bandana and his, his Harley Davidson jacket and all that shit and the tiger cubs on fucking poor tiger cubs got

to watch Jeff Lowe given some random chick the pipe in Vegas. Those chicks are watching Netflix for the first time like, God, I hope Jeff Lowe's not in this. Yep, episode three. He's in this. Oh, there I am in an Instagram picture posing with him and a tiger. If you're a girl and you are with a guy right now and you were in a picture with Jeff Lowe and a tiger, you're having issues during the pandemic right now. Meritally, domestically, like in a relationship, it's over. You can't go separate corners right now because you're quarantined. What do you do if your wife or your girlfriend,

like people dread, you know, seeing a picture of their girlfriend with an athlete back in the day or something. Imagine seeing your girlfriend in a picture with Jeff Lowe and the Tiger. You know what it took to take a picture with the Tiger. Also another irreparable situation for me would be the girl in Ames. She's got to be having a lot of trouble right now because that's a heavy past to have been in that cult with Doc. Yeah, 102 hours a week, 100 bucks, no time off, 365, and you're part of my harem. And I really think the idea of harems for guys out there, like you think it's cool.

I mean, I can barely text people back. I can't imagine what kind of hassle that is to be dating five, six people at the same time. I think that I think Haram's, meth may be underrated. Haram's overrated. Haram's overrated. It's trending down. Stock falling. Okay. Meth stock is up.

Haram stock is down. Listen, Jeff to me, it was the Hummer was predictable. Okay. He didn't want to be bald. The $10,000 cash, like one stack. Like, I'm convinced. I might just try to keep 10 grand on me all the time because apparently it's like Lord of the Rings type stuff.

Like if you just have 10,000 in cash on you at all times, you're just allowed to do whatever you want. You can do all things. You just not have to give it to anybody. You just show that you actually have 10 grand in cash at any public setting and it's just the C parts. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you could have 50 mil in your account

and it's not cash though. I mean, Jeff was a big money clip type guy. definitely shaves his arms. I would go out on a limb and say that. I don't mean to offend you if you do. Do you shave your arms? No, I don't. Never shaved.

But you never did? No, I never did. I never did it. That's good. I was really relieved there. I thought that was going to be a pothole. But the funniest thing to me was Jeff's wife after he showed that nanny. And her quote was, and I was searching for it.

I had a couple quotes written. Some of these are bilingual or multilingual. so they could maybe teach the baby that. Like, dude, what bizarre a world are you fucking living in? I will say as dangerous as I just mentioned, Jeff being, I maintain Doc as being the most dangerous. And the moment I knew he was, like, fucked up was in the,

not only the cult thing. I mean, that's terrible. I can only imagine psychological trauma, actually, that you incur being a part of a cult. The girl actually said that, The biggest break she got was when he pressured her to go get a boob job because she would sleep for two, three days. And she never had time to sleep.

I mean, she was like, okay, I don't want to do it, but I will because I'll actually get some fucking time off. When Doc rolled up in the backyard riding an elephant dressed like some fucking fat orvis mannequin, I mean, with a ponytail down his back, I was like, this guy is, he's just the worst. He's the worst. I mean, there's nobody in the documentary worst. He's got this buttoned up empire, and he's done it by being a backstabbing big cat guy.

Everybody else might have done worse, might have done just as bad, but they're not as successful. And that's why he has the market cornered on being the top dog on the axis of evil. Would you agree or would you put Jeff up there or somebody else? I just think Doc's the scariest because he's the smartest. It wasn't even close. Intelligence level, his is through the roof. through the roof. I hope he's not listening to this pot. He's going to be like, well, they think I'm evil, but they do think I'm smart. I like those guys. Come on down to come on down to my, here's the

fucked up thing. For a while now, I was talking about bringing William Hayes down to a place I saw on Instagram where people post with, or pose with tigers. And I was like, it'd be hilarious. You're getting this pool. You pose with the little baby tigers. It's probably awesome. They probably treat them great. It turned out to be Doc's spot. if this came out a year later you're no difference than some Vegas chicken palms you're just a tiger guy

no I mean like it's the fact that he was rumored to have been gassing these baby lions and tigers and cremating them like I believe it he's a bad fucking guy he's a bad guy that's where I put him not like

oops I'm broke I'm doing a bunch of weird shit I end up doing a murder for hire thing because I'm impulsive and I'm Joe Exotic. And I paid a hitman $3,000, which by the way, Doc way too, knew way too much about the market for hitmen in his commentary about Joe Exotics. You know, run it, Glover to drive down to Florida and kill Carol. The funniest thing. And by the way, he went right to appealer in South Carolina. So, I mean, that ends up being, I think, I know you had more thought. No.

So I don't want to jump. No. You finish there? No, I mean, my big. thing is if you're hiring a hitman, they had to send the hitman to the DMV to get a driver's license. Get another hitman.

If your hitman doesn't have a driver's license, it's a bad start, is all I'm saying. And Glover was the wrong guy for that thing the whole time. Glover had the tear drops, so they were like, hey, that means he's taking somebody out. Which I believe. He spent time out of jail. I mean, he was definitely like the guy you'd least want to fight,

I think, at Joe Exx. No, I could kick Glover's ass, but I, I'm not, I'm not doubting you, but I'm just saying like, I think Glover's like, you better be ready to go. He'll kill you. Glover will kill you. So that's what it comes down to at the end. Joe Exotic in jail. He's found guilty of this murder for hire thing, but they really came after him with all these counts of animal cruelty, which they were able to prove. People were selling them out left and right. But ultimately, he had all these problems with all these lawsuits with Carol.

And that was Joe's own fault because whatever he was doing, he couldn't quite figure out like the line that he couldn't. cross and here he is um he thinks he's maybe like he clearly he thought he was paying i think for carol bas could be taken out but it was pretty clear that since he was paying jeff's guy and jeff's guy who you know the hit man here what was his name again uh the potential the lover the guy the the skin head in the bath with the bandana. Right, right, right. He, it seems like Lowe and Glover were like, look, let's just do this, get him on the record. And then that other guy, the Mark Davis water skiing, jet ski guy.

By the way, the jet ski, and I'm sorry, had an exhaust tail with the squirt stream. If your jets, if your jet ski has a squirt stream, you're not actually rich. You're like Oklahoma Big Cat Circle Rich. that's my only thing there. You know, I mean, you can only, you can only,

you can only play in the conference you're in. Yeah. So, uh, that's, that's really what it comes down to at the end is like, you go, do I want Joe to be innocent of this?

Because two other guys set him up to take a zoo. I'm like, that seems wrong. Yeah. I mean, that's what's the beauty of this documentary is that you're conflicted in how you feel about some of the people, not all the people.

Yeah. Well, once you mentioned, and we don't have you need to go over it the whole time. There's layup. of like, okay, bad guy, bad guy, bad guy, I don't like this person, you know, all this stuff. But with Joe at the end, and he's in jail,

and you're like, it feels like this guy who deserves to have punishment against him, the catalyst of the whole thing was a guy trying to steal a zoo. Yeah, I mean, and by the way, and by the way, trying to steal a bad zoo, like a zoo that shouldn't be there. So even the pretense of the entire thing

is like fucked up, because you're it almost normalizes it and as the the documentary goes uh you know you find yourself at different turns i found myself at one turn like starting to root for doc or not talk i would never root for doc starting to root for joe for a second i was like i turned to megg and i'm like i kind of feel bad for him and then the next scene is him blowing uh the head off a mannequin i mean and you know and pretending it's carroll baskin with a wig on it by the way when carroll's husband is going through all the antagonistic behaviors of Joe Exotic, word for word and recounting them, I lost my shit. I mean, he's like, first, he posts a diaper man with Carol's

head, and here's a picture of this gooey thing, and it says, quote, smile everyone, life could be worse. You could have a crotch like Carol Baskin. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, Joe was just, and then Joe in the tiger, uh, the, the, the tiger suit outsider place protesting. And then he's got the other animals killing each other. Like he was just a seven year old. And that's why like, you know, I think for a while you're kind of like, man, I'd like it if this guy would just, because he was charming. He could be charming. He really could. You know, and at times I thought he cared about the animals in a misguided, fucked up way that you had like trauma and your, you're, you're, you're, you're covering holes in your psyche with these big cats.

I mean, like, it's all trauma related. But at times, I was like, I kind of feel bad for him. But then he would, at every turn,

he would do something big. Yeah, he's evil. He's evil. So let's cast it. Are you ready? Yeah, I'd love to cast it.

Okay. I have way too many notes on, Joe Exxon. Matthew. My first thought was Leo DiCaprio. Just because I, think a borderline homeless Rick Dalton from once upon a time in Hollywood. Like, he, Leo could just push the boundaries a little bit more.

Leo's capable of anything. Then I thought, what if I want to go real weird, though? What about Jody Highroller? Jody Highroller would be perfect. And it would almost be like method acting, I think. Yeah, I think he could do it. If Jody High Roller's too busy, which is always a possibility, he's crushing it right now. Jared Letto.

Jared Leto could play almost everything And I don't know how you say it I think it's Leto I know I think Jared Lito Whatever it is he's a terrific actor I have Matthew McConaughey easy You know

Easy I mean for me it's just It's a layup Now I also think Mickey Rourke could play any of these people I have him down for somebody Oh you do? Okay good So next we got Any of your picks are terrific and I've got for Joe Exotic,

I've got Matthew McConaughey by a mile. Yeah, mud. Mud is like an entry point into Joe Exotic. Mud meets Dallas Buyers Club. Perfect. Okay, Doc Annell. Seth Rogan would be great. I think John C. Riley would be great.

Yep. But we were doing much like the festival draft, Dead or Alive. Philip Seymour Hoffman was born to play Doc Anil. Yeah, we had that written down here too. I mean, imagine how good he would be, but also pompous and just the dialogue that he would deliver and that reassuring look that, like, I know you may know that I'm whatever, but I'm never giving in. I'm in control. I want to throw Jeff Bridges in the ring for him and really challenge the likability of Jeff Bridges.

Yeah, Bridges is going to have to eat some cheeseburgers, though. Yeah, he could get big. This blew my mind. Doc Anil lived 20 minutes away from me. When they describe Yogaville where he was, where he first... Huh? Yeah, dude. When he first...

Huh? What if you had known him? And then your play after this was like, that's not the doc anal I know. The doc anal I know is a good caring guy. I hope nobody plays that angle because I will... Listen, I'm going to find somebody that knew him 20 years ago, presumably when he lived out here. Yogaville is this weird place that you drive by the sign for, and you know it's like five miles off the... it's not even a highway.

So the way it is here is like there's barely a highway, then there's county roads, and then there's like back roads. It's five miles off a back road by an L.A. standard. And supposedly this is a big commune. It's like it's a hair short of being a nudist colony and there's one up in northern Virginia, but it's fucking weird, dude. Look up Yogaville. That's where this cat lived.

You have Carol. Go ahead. Sorry. Carol Baskin. Jennifer Coolidge, shout out to Norwell Mass. you may remember her as Stifler's mom. Which is crazy because Stiffler's mom was talking about her the other day

was like... I really liked her. She's 58. That movie came out 20 years ago. She was like in her late 30s during that movie playing a 50-something year old. Oh my God. I always hate when I find out how much younger somebody was when I thought they were older than me. But yeah, 38. She's 58 now. Yeah, she was like four years older than me.

playing that like 50 year old mom. It's weird. Yeah, she nailed it. She did. No wonder she was only 38. Yeah, she's from Norwell, though. So big. Oh,

Norwell, Mass. This is one of the best ones I have. All right, Baskin's husband is Howard Barber, right? Howard Baskin. Yeah. Stephen Merchant. Okay, I'm looking up Stephen Merchant.

Oh, you don't know who he is up top of your head? I'm really bad with actor names. No, dude, Stephen Merchant. Is that an English writer? Yeah, but he's the guy that was in some, he was a co-creator of the office with Ricky Jervais, and he's been in movies. Oh, okay, I know who you're talking about.

And I'm not one of those British offices better than American office people. They should all, you know, I hate the people that say, watched it? Yeah, and I hate the people that say, if you don't like it, leave. But if you don't like the office, you can leave. Okay, yeah, that's fair. So Stephen Merchant. okay yeah um next up i have eric um commie is that how to pronounce the last name

eric commie for uh for whom so he he was the guy long hair he said basically at one point and he tried to be pretty humble about it was like if it wasn't for me this this place would be a mess he was kind of running the show making sure everybody get yeah um sunglasses he talked about some dark times but only alluded to them i don't think he got real deep on it i could have miss that part. Also, if DiCaprio decides, hey, I want that part, I would still want Jody Highroller to be a part of this. I think Jody Highroller is adaptable to a lot of different things. He could be that, but if we can't do that, I thought Josh DeMell, if he's not doing another Transformers, Josh is a guy. He'd just be great to have on set. But here's a, here's a wild card for you.

What if Daniel Day Lewis was like, I want a role, but I don't want to be the star? And you have maybe the greatest actor of his generation playing a bit part, but giving it you all of that darkness. Just give me all six scenes. Just give me like everything. Go live on a big cat farm for six months. Method Act. I mean, this has got to be a tough one to Method Act.

The producer who didn't actually get rich off this thing, who by the way lives in, or the director that, you know, with the weird hat, uh, that, that, you know,

all his shit burnt down in the, the in the fire. That was, yeah, that was a rich, I remember that guy being a kid being on all those. Kirkham, Kirkham, Kirkham. He lives, he lives in Norway now. But I say that to say, this guy gave like months, if not years of his life, like being a method director and fucking got bit by Spider loss his hearing for a month. Like that's the type of thing that was going on there.

Like people are smoking ice. around you and you're trying to do like it's crazy put Daniel Day Lewis in a big cat farm it'd be wonderful do you want me to cast Rich right now because I can do that cast him Steve Bishamie wow wow let me pull up Rich that is perfect yeah it doesn't even there doesn't really even need to be anybody offered the role okay if Bishamie didn't accept we just write the character out of the script oh it's my favorite one I like that. John Finley,

one of Joe Exotic's husband, who then was like, I'm actually sleeping with the secretary and we're going to have a kid together and I'm going to get a fresh set of jibs. Yeah, he's got a welding job. Yeah, he's got good teeth. Yeah, so John Finley's a great comeback story

actually in this one. How about Fred Durst? Fred Durst would be terrific. you just sit and really be like hey fred you don't really have to act that much you're just gonna be shirts off some tats and you just let it all hang out i did think it was funny that when they were describing the kind of guys that joe exotic likes they were like you know you see you see john finley and he's this muscle bound bully really yeah does he look pretty intimidating to you like he's like 178 of like 23% body fat and by the way i went on if you remember he was always getting interviewed at this inn and they showed the roadside sign at one point. I went down a rabbit hole reading the reviews

for this end because it just blows me away. Dude, people talked about waking up bleeding because of the bedbugs. People talked about getting cut by the spring sticking out of the mattresses. Some woman was like, was concerned about a hole in the bathroom floor. Quote, we walked into the check-in area

with our kids. Big mistake. He had a large screen TV on showing a graphically naked woman being killed. Rushed the kids outside at this end. That they were... That doesn't sound family-friendly place. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. I mean, we're bedbugs, springs, you know, just a bunch of one-star ratings. I think that's... I think you're right on with the observation that he's not actually muscle-bound. But I'm glad he's doing better. I am. Oh, he's doing great. His teeth look great.

Okay, Jeff Lowe, this one's a little tricky because you need somebody who can kind of play. You can't have somebody that's acting too hard. The role here is to be subdued, not acting. The camera hates actors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I thought, I'm going to give you two. Sam Elliott came to mind,

maybe a little too old now for that role, or one of my favorite actors in anything, Ben Mendelsohn right now. Okay, hold on a second. I get to Google him. Yep. Yep, Ben Mendelso. Guy at Outsider Show.

He's been Star Wars. Woodford, two Woodford. Oh, yeah, I know who he is. I know who he is. He's great and everything he does. He's shown a ton of range. He's a little odd. But I think he, look, I think that guy could play anybody.

Yep. But it may not be enough of a visual. But you throw somebody in a do rag and an Oakley hat and some affliction, Jean Jackets. Like, you know, okay, Glover, the hitman of the alleged maybe, but he wasn't really because he wasn't ever going to go down there and actually do this. A lot of options. Channing Tatum.

Tom Hardy could do it. Might be too small of a role. This is where I penciled in Mickey Rourke at one point, but I'm going to throw one more name at you. If it's your production, we've got to get Nick Cage a role. Oh, yeah. Nick Cage is going to be the Kirkham. The director.

Okay. Yeah, put him in a stupid-ass black hat like that and just a black button down. Like, that's so Nick Cage. Yeah. Who else do I have? Ooh, you know who's got to be in this? William Defoe's got to be in this movie. I don't know who Defoe would.

Defoe could be Kirkman. He'd be good at that too. Now I'm looking at the Bashemi thing and I go, you know, the Miami guy, Benicio del Toro, be perfect for him. Oh, yeah, yeah. A little Latin flavor. Yep. And I really only have a couple more. The guy that had his arm bitten off,

Dev Patel, you could go Remy, the guy that played Freddie Mercury, if you wanted to do that. Yep, you could do that. Then is Josh, the jet ski guy with the red hair?

Yep. Yep. I was kind of thinking for that one. The businessman, the guy that they put in quotes under his title, quote, businessman. You know it'd be perfect for him?

is he was incredible in the Tanya Harding movie with Margo Ravi, where he plays the dude that hits, um, God, I didn't like that movie, dude. I thought Margo was amazing, but I just kind of didn't, I thought it,

I thought it could have been darker. Oh, I thought it was cool. I thought it was really cool. Anyway, he plays Richard Jewel in the Clint Eastwood movie. So the guy that plays Jewel and that, and also the guy,

it's not Galulie, right? Galooly is the Galulie the boyfriend, Tony Harding? I can't believe I'm forgetting all these names. The Richard Jewel. actor, okay, Richard Jewell, the actor is, um, what the fuck is this guy's name?

Paul Walter Houser? Yeah, I think so. Paul Walter Houser. Yeah, that's it. It's a three-name dog. Yeah, yeah, three-name dog. You know what's real. You know your parents want you to be an actor when you got three names. None of those actors fucking names are real. They're all like pen names and shit.

I get to use that all the time. I like, yeah, I want to be on TV, so I threw an E in there. that's about it that's about all i got it's a really good i mean it's a good start i know that i was unprepared i was half prepared for the casting part um i will get back to you with with i promise that on the next pod because i am doing full disclosure to tiger king pods we're going to have lane johnson on in a bit um all right and and i might uh i might hit you with my my my casting options. Let's approach a studio. You have the connections. Yeah, we'll get some people loosely attached. But we have something going on outside right now.

So I don't know if you heard those sirens. Yeah, but you should shelter where you are. Stay safe. Yeah, man. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks for breaking down a tremendous docky series. Word. See you, buddy. So as always, Ryan Rasillo is spot on. And I I really liked his casting skills there. That was very good. Very good movie that we are shaping up to make with Ryan's Hollywood contacts. And I guess I'll fund it.

Next up, we've got an Oklahoma guest who was kind enough to call in Lane Johnson, right tackle for the terrific right tackle. Best right tackle in the league. Him and Schwartz. he's going to call in. He's in Oklahoma.

He's not far from Winniewood, so he's familiar with the area. He can give us a little background on the lay of the land, and it's also just be good to check in on my friend. So let's have Lane Johnson call in. So joining me at Big Cat Rescue, Charlottesville, an esteemed guest, Philadelphia Eagle,

Oklahoma resident. Lane Johnson. Lane, you've seen Tiger King. I sure have. What did you think about it? Well, I'll tell you what, when I got done watching it, I felt a lot better about myself. And we can say that. We can start there.

Yeah, but it's not far from where you live. No, it's probably an hour and a half, probably. So you could go to that zoo tomorrow, but if it weren't for the pandemic, you could go to the zoo tomorrow. Yes. Yeah. Talk to me about the people of Oklahoma, okay? Um, well, you know, here in the state, not a whole lot's talked about. So there's, you know, only thing there is to do is go to OU football games and stare at old rigs, okay?

Boomer. And so, and you can go to Winstar World Casino and make you a couple grand down there. So that's about all the crowd we have, to be honest. But I think, as you can see from the video, there was a lot of misfits in there. And I think that's what we are, just a bunch of misfits. You know, the sooner land run, everybody, you know, jumped a gun to get their land. So, you know, a lot of cats. That was like Joe Exotic was the sooner at heart, man.

He was just a hustler. That's what me and Ryan were talking about that. Like, Joe, to me, he's a hustler. Like, he's, he's just always going to find a way out of shit. And he's always going to find a way to get, to make a buck. Or he's just going to find the unlikely path to success. Eventually, it caught up to him. You know, you know, you know what, Spottie?

is that I wonder if David Spade somehow found out who this guy was before he ever made Joe Dirt. And then that was his inspiration. Well, to me, I was getting shades of Kenny Powers the entire way through Eastbound and Down. There were two scenes for me, the funeral where he starts to literally like sing out loud at the funeral and do a comedy routine. And then at the end, when the Chucky doll looking guys riding on his jet ski to the dramatic music. I mean, it was eastbound and down. It was Joe Dirt. It was unbelievable.

He even had some, uh, those music videos. I mean, by the way, Lane, did you know that's not really his music? He was just lip syncing over. Yeah. Yeah, I was, I was wondering because I was like his voice doesn't sound too bad. No, I was sitting there watching like the first couple episodes and I was like, fuck, if this guy had any, any, you know, production or budget behind him or a songwriter maybe. What do you say?

I saw a tiger. I saw a tiger and tiger saw man. I mean, how about the scene? How about the scene where he gets his foot bit and he's dragged like 15 feet? And then he's just back out at work. Wouldn't that tiger tooth puncture through his foot? I'm sure something happened because he came out there with that Don Joy knee brace on and looked like me. The last two seasons out there.

Well, you know, the funniest thing was, He didn't just have a donjoy. He definitely picked orange and black. He had an orange and black don't joey. To be completely tigered out. Here's the funny thing about Winnie Wood. And I don't know what goes on in Winnie Wood. So I definitely mean no ill.

I have no ill will towards the people of Winnie Wood. Although 18% of the libertarian voters voted for Joe Exotic in the election at one point, I have nothing against Winnie Wood. But Joe Exotic was like the godfather of Winnie Wood, which is not a good side. for Winnie Wood. And in fact, when shit started a turn for him and Jeff Lowe came in town

and was fucking up his business and everybody started to be disloyal. It reminded me of training day at the end when Denzel's back in the projects and everybody's like Yeah, and he's like, I'm putting cases on all you bitches. That's what Joe Exotic. They're like basketball bell in his name. Yeah, yeah, yeah, shoot program.

And, and, and, and, and, um, Joe Exotic at that moment, reminded me at Denzel because everybody turned on him. He was like, this mobster. He had everybody. He did so much, exactly. Or, yeah, at least in his mind he was doing a lot. He was in his mind, but all people were

attached to at the end were the tigers. Yes, that was it. But Joe thought he was the show. And that was the big lie going through his little head this whole time. His little head. Who were you also afraid of? I mean, I presume you would be afraid of a character. Like, by the way, I also, I said this with Ryan earlier,

methamphetamine has to be the most powerful drug in the Cosmos, getting people to do some of the things they were doing. Let me tell you something. So you ain't feeding 227 tigers a day without no amphetamins. You think he had the tigers hopped up or that he was hopped up? I think those ones that escaped in Ohio may have been hopped up on some amphetamins. Yeah, the ones outside Dayton. Outside Dayton?

Yeah, no, I mean, the meth part blew me away. you know, Joe is definitely a dangerous dude. He tried to have somebody killed. And by the way, if you're going to try to have somebody killed, you probably, like, if you really want a good hitman, don't you think it's going to cost north of three grand? And don't you think your hitman should have a driver's license? I think you're hitman.

I mean, I mean, I don't know. I mean, who do you hire? I don't know. But Doc. Here you are thinking he's your right-hand man. And in the end, you just, you see, it was all about the tiger. It was all, and that's the theme. Everything was about the Tigers.

It wasn't about Joe, but I guess I'm saying that Joe wasn't even the most dangerous guy on the show to me. Who was the most dangerous guy on the show to you? Oh, probably Carol. Everybody keeps saying Carol, which I think is a bit unfair, although I know she killed somebody. Have you ever seen the rescue down under the old cartoon with a woman's like an orphan and she's in with this. I have not seen the rescue down under. Cowboy Reed. Cowboy Reed, have you seen Rescue Down Under?

Do you're 0 for 2 over here? Well, get on Wayland's Disney Plus app and go watch it tonight. Because she looks like, she reminds me of the woman off of Rescue Down Under. It's a 19, 1990 movie. Yeah, she, she's like a calm and collected Cuella DeVille. Man, Doc reminded me of like a Chris Angel mind freak mixed with. Yeah. Mixed with somebody.

Somebody you don't want to be around. No. But he had that, he had that creep to and the Chris Angel Minds free type of... Yeah. Mixed with Ozzy Osbourne. It was mysticism, is what it was. And did you know that Bhagavon,

the fucking weird name he changed his name to, means God. That's what the girl in Ames, Iowa said, who left the cult, escaped the cult. So that guy had a lot going on. also say Jeff Jeff Lowe was

Jeff to me was maybe the second most dangerous person on the show the guy with the bald head that wouldn't take his hat off Yeah

He's one of those guys That's not going to take No for an answer I mean down here An ass wolf and son is heard Throughout the woods And reputations get

put on the line You know down here In the holler Yeah You gotta do what you got to do So you think That Joe Old Joe Exotic

Is sitting in the clink and he's actually in a weird way he's kind of okay with this. Yeah, he's glad he's glad that it's come to life. His story's been heard. I mean, well, they did say they did say when, when they put him on that king's throne,

he lost his mind. Like they shot one, like, low budget promo for this reality TV show. And he's sitting on this king's chair. And in his mind, he really felt like a king, because he was going to be on,

you know, A&E at 11 o'clock at night. for 30 minutes as this laughing stuff. You can tell how excited he was, like even going through his stores, like, look, I was on Hollywood Times right here. You know, that's what his heart was, that's what his heart was into, trying to get that notoriety. And whenever anybody tried to steal his thunder or ruin his reputation, well, you saw what

happened. So what do you think about my get up, man? We haven't talked about that. For people listening, can you describe, because not everybody watches YouTube. And Lane has a hard hat and sunglasses. on. So I think this social isolation is fucking him up pretty good. How would you describe my get-up right now to the folks listening? Hey, let me tell you something. You got to explain me what the hell of the get-up is.

I'm not from those woods up there in Virginia. I mean, my goodness. My outfit. Your outfit? Well, for the first, about three minutes, I couldn't stop laughing. I think what really kind of brought it out was the eyeliner. I think that really got your eyes, eyes and popped out. similar to Joe. Well, you know, Joe wears blue eyeliner, which my wife, Meg, halfway through the show,

was like, you know, I don't see a lot of blue eyeliner. And Meg didn't have any blue eyeliner. She didn't. Well, you're not far off. The facial hair's there. You need a Seth Waddley Ford ad. I can go, I can run out there and go get you one to mail it. And we can have it.

We can get you that. And it's a game over. Maybe a little fake tiger cubs, something? Oh, shit. my bad dude where's your tiger right fucking there man that's not a tiger that's a that's a fucking liger no that's a tiger i got it from uh luke's room uh my little man yeah today i mean it's really hard to throw a costume together in the middle of uh you know a pandemic and social distancing you know party stores aren't open rightfully so you know you know what social distancing has been

invented it started with instagram and then facebook that's that's what it started this is these are the These are the takes that you're here for. This is brilliant. Okay. Expound upon that. Well, every time you walk down the street or you go in any place, everybody, his fucking head is on their phone. Yeah. And as you know, I mean, nothing is true unless it didn't happen on Instagram.

Yep. No, you're right. Including workouts. I'm my own Instagram. I'm putting my best stuff out there on Instagram. Yeah. That's what it's for. But yeah.

I mean, that's what social distancing has become. We've, the communication aspect has gone down the past decade, I would say. It has gone way down. It's gone way down. But I will say this. I think when we get out of this thing, people are going to miss hanging out. And I bet there's this big rush to, like, be present and put your phone down. Because for, I think for a couple months here, we're going to say, hey, man, I don't even see any of my friends.

I got buddies that I see like three times a week in Charlottesville. I haven't seen them for three weeks. It feels like an eternity. Yeah, well, this is like the first for everybody And that you've seen headlines like this before And you're like, there's no way this is going to come true And then Well, next thing you know, Chris, you're

You're dressed up like Joe Exotic And you're sitting at home for three weeks And that's the truth I mean, if you had told me right now That I'd be wearing something like this In the middle of this motherfucker, I would have laughed at you But here we are And Lane, I appreciate it

Well, first off, how are you going to work out? Well, Chris, I'm glad you asked. We actually have a key to a gym around here, which we get it in. Today, we weren't allowed to go to the pool, so we had to go to a lake around here and get that cold water, muddy water. So we did that today for recovery. And yeah, that's about all there is to do down here, bro. All right, buddy.

Well, we'll check in with you another time here during social isolation. You stay safe. I see you have a hard hat on. That's going to help. It does help. I mean, it does help. You'd be surprised. Thank you, Lane.

Thank you, Ryan. Those dudes are awesome. We basically got observational humor All-Star in Ryan Rosillo, and then Oklahoma on the ground correspondent in Lane Johnson. Pretty good football player, too. Excited to see him get out there and tear it up this fall. Thanks for listening. Thanks for watching.

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