Green Light with Chris Long - Tyrann Mathieu! Saints Season Outlook, NFC South Rivalries, Hip Drop Tackle, New Kickoff Rules & Prop Betting in Pro Sports!

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

The Honey Badger joins Green Light! Chris talks to Tyrann Mathieu about the New Orleans Saints, some of Tyrann's toughest opponents that he's seen in his career, the new Hip Drop Tackle and Kick Off Rules and the NFC South rivalries. Chris, Kyle, Nate and Bad Back Badke kick off the show breaking down the NFL's new Kick Off rules and deliver their last arguments for the new Hip Drop Tackle rule. We end with a little housekeeping: Prostate Exams, Worst Flight, Rappers We Most Trust and Judge Judy! (00:00) - Intro (2:15) - New Kickoff Rules Adopted by the NFL (22:45) - Final Arguments Heard on the Hip Drop Tackle Rule (40:50) - Jontay Porter's Alleged Prop Bets (56:05) - Tyrann "Honey Badger" Mathieu talks the New Orleans Saints, the 2024 Season, Playing with Cam Jordan and Willie Gay, the Hip Drop Tackle and New Kick Off Rules and the Rivalries in the NFC South (1:29:35) - House Keeping: Happy Birthday Chris, Prostate Exams, Worst Flight, Rappers We Most Trust and Judge Judy! Want your Green Light Merch so you can look exactly like Chris and the fellas? Hit the website below and get kitted! https://stores.kotisdesign.com/yotehouse/products Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Send any Talent Search submissions to: [e-mail] Include any video of your talents, takes and bits as well as a little bit about yourself. Love hearing from the Green Light fans. Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. https://paddleva.com/ Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgxWFAA-wuB7osdiAJyLOcw Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You know, being on a team with dudes that, you know, like, just adopted your city, right? Like, Cam Jordan and Kamara. Yeah. You know, even Michael Thomas and all these guys, right? Like, these are dudes that, like, like, my family love these dudes. You know what I mean? So from a fan perspective, to be on a team with those guys that have done, you know, so many great things for the city that you love. Like, that was cool for me to be around those dudes and, like, really get to know them.

Welcome to the Green Light podcast. Ooh, the Honey Badgers coming. Tyron Matthew is on the show today. The New Orleans Saint joins us. We're rocking his LSU gear. He talks to Chris about some NFL news, the new kickoff rule, the hip-drop tackle,

Jadabion Clownie, his old teammate signing in Carolina. The excitement in New Orleans with all their signings, their big off-season moves, gearing up for another great season down in Louisiana. and this year's Super Bowl is happening in the Great City in New Orleans. Chris, Kyle, Nate, and Badback Backy all join in on some NFL and sports talk. We go over the new kickoff rules, what it means for the NFL, how it might change some things, how it might change gameplay and rosters.

Some players might not be needed. Some types of players might be in higher demand. Chris and Kyle go over the differences they see on the hip-drop tackle, and we talk gambling with Jontay Porter in the news, the allegations around his prop betting. and then we talk to the Honey Badger and then we end with a little fun it's Chris's birthday we wish him happy birthday with the recent news we talk rappers

we most trust and talk Judge Judy for some wildry Nate Bad Back Backy Kyle myself We've got to talk about a little football We also have to talk to Tyron Matthew The Honey Badger

He's going to come on later in the show Okay there's a lot of rule changes I'm Kyle I know you're not like as up to speed on the kickoff rule I mean, I'll break it down for you. Yeah, that would help. Okay. And I wish we would have done this the other day with the hip drop tackle.

We can talk a little bit about that in a second. But I think, I think this kickoff rule is a good rule. Like, okay, I'll just say that. Like, it honestly reminds me of when smart TVs came along. And I'm a big cable guy. Like, I like the same remote, the same channels. Like, I'm overwhelmed easily. I don't know how they're consolidating all these fucking carriers into one TV.

Like it's confusing to me and there was a period when we got a smart TV where I was like fuck this I don't like it I'm not going you know like I'm going back to cable at some point and then one day I started to understand it and I was like Well this is way better and it was it was just my nostalgia and being used to one thing the creature of habit in me that kept me from Embracing the smart TV and I'm not going to do that with this new kickoff because it's simpler than a smart TV It took me 30 minutes to read about this rule change and say hey this is good for football it's like what the fuck is roku you know i like i don't know i don't know so you know when it comes to this this kickoff rule change and you guys you guys have heard a little bit about it but when they talked about it going into the meetings they said hey we are doing this to address the record

low number of kickoff returns that we experienced in 2023 oh oh and and by the way we want it safer too which was like the the the small print because any of these rule changes they have offense in mind okay so the way it goes is the kicker's going to line up at 35 okay that that's the same everything else looks way different now just say this like I think what we are losing is is that visual of the kickoff you know the the the tradition the pageantry the vision of 10 guys running as fast as they can as soon as that ball is kicked and everybody going who revolutionary warfare and there's sprinting across a field at each yeah it's like it's yeah it's muskets loaded it's Mel Gibson and the Patriot, you know, but just with

non-white guys. And then so you know, like you have the end zone shot that everybody loves to see with the flash bulbs and everybody run down the field. Like, you're just not going to get that anymore. It's going to look fucked up, but functionally I think it's great. Okay, kicker at the 35.

You've got two zones. You have the, we're calling it the setup zone and we have a return zone as it pertains to the kicker. So kickers way back here on the left and then on the right side of the field you have two zones. You have that setup zone. And then you have the return zone. Okay, in the setup zone, the coverage team is going to have 10 guys on the line at the 40.

They are waiting for someone to catch the ball or the ball to hit the ground. And then they can go. The guys five yards apart from them at least is the return team. The return team. And you have to have at least seven guys on the line. You can stagger a few behind those guys between the 35 and a 40. To get like a backfield. To get kind of a backfield thing, to get angles on blocking and that sort of thing.

And, you know, like, you are going to, if you're on the return team, have to judge. I don't know if you can look behind you and see when the ball is caught by the returner when the ball hits the ground, but that's going to be a little bit tricky, you know. The return zone is going to be occupied by two returners, up to two returners. I suspect they're used two returners a lot, but you can have one returner back there. Okay. So if the ball goes in the end zone, a traditional touchback. Yeah.

If the ball goes in the end zone, which is traditional touchback. They have docked the kickoff teams. You have to take the ball out to the 30. So the return team gets the ball at 30 in the event of a touchback. If it rolls through the return zone into the end zone, that's a touchback where the ball comes out to the 20s. So you are incentivized to create a little chaos. And that's why you want two guys back there in that return area, Chris, so you can't have

a spot of the outfield, let's call it, that's unprotected. Exactly. Now they're kicking a double at. You're exactly right. So, you know, two interesting rules here is no fair catches. Now, I think that's going to be wild. Like, when you think about if they're a specialist, and we're going to talk more about how the personnel is going to be dictated by this rule change,

but if there are specialists who can really sky kick that thing and place it perfectly, or kickline drives that are going to hit the ground, like, they can be valuable to your team. And so the no fair catch thing, I don't know how that's going to work out. If you've got a guy that can sky it to the 10-yard line and the coverage can get down there, I'm sure they have thought about this. I'm sure that in the XFL where this came from, this has played out, and they realize, like, there aren't,

there's not a situation where you're going to get big collisions or a guy standing there waiting like a punt. I don't think that, that situation is going to be that prevalent. There are no onside kicks until the fourth quarter, and you have to be down. So say goodbye to surprise onside kicks. Which only happened like once a year. It happened twice last year.

Yeah, I was going to say. So you're not losing much there, but it does suck to kind of lose that element of it. The rare thing that happens less than the hip drop tackle. Yeah. So, you know, and this came from the XFL. We'll talk about the hip-tract tackle. I know, I know.

I'm sorry. But this comes from the XFL. And the three coaches that spearheaded it are the special teams coaches in Chicago, New Orleans, and in Dallas, my old coach, John Fossel, who Foss is like one of the best period, special teams coaches in the league, but also really good at trick plays. And I think what you're going to see here, because you're going to see schemes, you're going to see these things you're going to turn into, like, run plays. this is almost like a different sport you know two two groups of men five yards apart from each other doing individualized Oklahoma drills yes you know exactly what it is it becomes it becomes a bunch of

potted Oklahoma drills and we haven't seen anything quite like this in football so we're going to be watching history unfold which I think is really cool we're going to be watching you know these trailblazers who created the rule maybe have some advantages because they've been thinking about this a while there might be a delta between great special teams coaches and coaches that aren't so great. There might be a delta between the teams that have offensive minds in the building that can come over into the special teams room and help install plays because that's what's going on. In the past, you had four plays you could choose from on kickoff return. Left, middle, right, onside kick return.

Now, there's intricacies like reverses or trick plays or counters that you might run. But generally, I think, you know, the schematic. part of this thing is going to open wide. And you're going to have traps, you're going to have pulls. Like, you saw that in the X and the NFL. I'm drawing on a piece of paper. I'm drawing on a napkin right here. I drew two returners.

I drew one kicker, and then I drew a line, and I'm already getting ahead of all these special teams. You feel good. Because I'm drawing up traps. I'm dropping up powers. Catch up. Catch up, boss.

There's less blockers at the line of scrimmers than there are rushers. It's just like a five-man offensive line versus a seven-man box. Like, how are we going to figure out to get home and get some lanes open? And I think it's exciting. You're going to have offensive line, tight-end coaches working with these special teams guys or imparting their wisdom of run blocking and protection on the special teams coaches.

So special teams coaches are going to grow and players are going to benefit because they're going to get even better. Some players will really benefit. Okay, like we talked about a kickoff specialist who's good in this situation. Like, that's going to become more valuable. I also think some players that have like specific roles that are like run down the field on kickoff

that are more speed and nothing else players, that becomes a little harder to stick on a team. I'm really thinking about practice squad guys and guys who are more like third string and on the fringe guys and making it for the 53 every week. This is something that everyone's on a level playing field right now and going through camp and OTAs and whatever it may be.

If you're a guy that's on that fringe and you find a niche in this kickoff or something where you can show that you can consistently make plays or potentially make big plays or get down the field first to make big hits or make that catch tough for the returner. That's something that a special teams coach, this year especially, is going to pull for you to, hey, we need this guy up.

And on the other side of things, if there are guys that, like, they were kickoff demons and their speed was a big part of that. Like, that part of the game changes a little bit. You could see a bunch of guys on the return team that are big guys, that are offensive linemen, they're tight ends. And so the nature of this play changes. And also one thing that I think is a real positive is, you're going to see some of the best players on the field returning these kicks.

You know, because there is a real incentive to put Tyreek Hill out there, Seyquan Barkley. It's a different play. And you actually have more, you would think just by them implementing, you have more of a chance of breaking one, right? Yep. Because this is an offensive move. Now I'll say, you know, this came from the XFL, right?

And the XFL, interestingly, they wanted to build a data set on this thing. So they could, before you roll it out, you want to know, is this going to totally fuck the game up? we got to expect what we need to expect. So they had Jukos. They were paying these schools to do this stuff over the past couple of years. There were some Jukos that were running this method of kickoff return. And so they had like a little database built up where they're like,

okay, we can predictably, you know, we can figure out what the outcome's going to be. Now, the thing for the NFL that I think is a little bit of a leap of faith is, there are three differences in the rules in the XFL and the NFL as it is today. when the ball hits the ground in the NFL, that ball is a lot. You can roll out of the end zone. It can stay in the landing area. That's what I'm saying. If it goes out of bounds before it crosses the goal line.

I think you still get a penalty. So it's still the same penalty. Out of balance goes to the 40. Now here's the thing. If you can roll the ball, one thing about this is the guys are five yards behind you or ahead of you on the return team. They don't know when to go. They're like, tell me when to go.

You know? And the fucking guys. There can be a lot of penalty. The guys on offense are going to name. No exactly when to go. And so I think that's an interesting thing. Also, two returners being allowed, that's a different deal entirely. You're going to see reverses and stuff.

I think that could slant even more to the offense. Music City, Oracle style. Yeah, yeah. And then you get kick off from the 30 versus the, or from the 35 versus the 30. You know, the XFO was kicking off from 30, which is a smaller deal. But when are they going to add some sort of reward for kicking it through the goalpost? That would be cool. That would be cool, Kyle.

Maybe you need to talk to your representative about that. You got to go up to the CFL, bro. You get one point if you kick it out the back of the end zone. I think you're going to see more XFL farm system stuff. Like, you're going to see more, like, try this at the XFL level. Like the college, I heard that in college this fall, they're going to be evaluating this thing. So this could be on college campuses soon. You like it?

I like the rule. Ultimately, ultimately, with all these rules and, like, people complaining that the game is changing, But at the same token, like, you don't want to see, like, we don't want to see stars and guys get hurt, like, doing stuff. And the other alternative of just taking the kickout, like, the kickoff, like, out of the game, like, that's, that stuff like that is going to muddy the game. If we end up and we start just eliminating, like, stuff from the game. Find a way to make it work. Exactly. Well, that's what we do.

You know, as a sport, we always find a way to make it. And ultimately, I think that this is going to knock down all of the injuries, or most. of. I mean, guys are still going to get injured playing football. That's never a lot of penalties on the play. But what I do worry about is this being new and how much, like you guys are saying, how many penalties and how hard this is on the refs to get this stuff right because you're going to see new plays you've never seen before. You've got coaches who are maybe smarter than other coaches or even smarter than the refs in doing trick plays or trying certain things that are teetering the line of, is that legal or not legal? Because we don't really

know it's going to be the first time for a lot of West. It's the Wild West. Yeah. Kyle made a good point. It's a sustained block. It's a long sustained blocks. You might seem more whole. For guys that aren't used to sustaining blocks, the guys who are used to sustaining blocks are the guys who play the gunner, the clamp bracket guys on the gunner. Or the hold-up guys. So for people at home, it's the flankers on the punt team who are trying to beat the double team to get down and pin you back. those guys are going against two guys that know how to block. But if there's six, seven other guys on that front line who have never engaged with two hands, have been able to move their feet laterally with great efficiency and give ground grudgingly,

you're going to have to see guys really get better. And if they don't, you're going to see a lot of penalties. I also wonder where you put what body types. Do you put the linebacker types outside? Do you put the big guys in the middle, you know, like to block? That's on where you're going. I think you put. And will that create tell?

Look, I think honestly, you find your biggest, athletic, fastest guys, whether it be your outside linebackers, your big D-N, you have that one D-Tackle that's fucking 310 pounds. But on a straight line, that dude can run, and you know it's hard to block. You line them up all in the middle, and then you have your best tacklers and your best... But I mean offensively. You mean... I mean, I mean, do you put your linebacker types or your tight-end types outside? For blocking? Yeah, like when you're blocking, and what kind of tells will that create, like where you put what body type?

I think you keep the athletic guys in the middle of the field and you play the mirror dodge drill to keep those guys in front of you, like basketball defense, but use your hands. And then the guys on the outside can take advantageous angles. They can run from across the field. All the while, the little guys who are trying to get by, the other little guys are thinking about these big guys who are screaming across the field. And then they're going to have to change the rules about who can hit who. No matter what they do, Kyle. I mean, like, I think a couple things are going to be interesting. Like, number one, it's going to be hard to handicap totals because this is going to drive points up.

Okay? And number one, like, that's what this thing's about. As I said in the tweet before, like the tweet outlined it. They led with what's important and they led with eliminating some of these touchbacks. And, you know, like the game's changed over the years. Like, there's a ton of things we've adjusted to, you know, the head and neck area thing, the weight landing on quarterbacks. You know, even with kickoffs, we have changed kickoffs over the past decades.

and a half. I mean, we had the movement of the kickoff placement and then we had the touchback movement from the 20 to 25. They kind of created this thing incentivizing touchbacks and now they're trying to undo that. I was on the wedge my rookie here. And I think what's really important, what's really important

about this thing for people at home, if you talk about more teams starting at the 30 yard line, because we could see a lot of kicking teams that are like, fuck this. This is such a new thing early. We're going to going to bomb touchbacks and eat the five yard penalty, right, relative to last year. But when you looked last year at teams, and by the way, scoring has been on the decline.

There were a couple years where it went up because of the pandemic, I believe, because of, you know, crowd noise and that sort of, no crowd noise in that sort of operation on the road. But, but, you know, last year, the scoring was way down, right? And part of that's quarterbacks. We had a lot of quarterbacks hurting that sort of thing. And part of that's just where the league's going at times. but if you looked at last year average points per drive

there were 11 teams that had starting positions of the 30 or above or better those teams average two points per drive okay and teams that started shy of the 30 average

1.8 points for drive I think of those 11 teams that were maybe five teams that averaged north of 2-20 per drive okay now if you take the other teams that were only four that averaged north of 2-2-0 So it's not only a difference

is a big difference yeah it's an incremental difference difference on the surface. I'm just trying to figure out how the NFL came about deciding this because you know they did it calculating, getting points for drive up. And I look at that threshold or that ledge, you know, so to speak, where if you get the ball at the 30 yard line, you're going to average almost a quarter more point per drive. And a team has 10, 11 drives over the course of the game, right? And so what does that do? That is going to create more scoring, no matter who's playing in the game because that data set shows me that if you started the third now there are

27 points it's nothing's perfect there's going to be outliers and there are outliers in this data set but I look at that and I say you know the NFL probably looked at that number and we're like hey if we can just get the ball to the 30 more often than not scoring is going to go up and that's not to say every kickoff is going to be fielded in the end zone and it's going to be 30 across the board we're also not we're also not taking an account that the average starting position could be past the 30 if this thing is tough for defenses to make the adjustment. So this is a fucking offense first decision. Say that again. What? Say that last part again? This is an offense first decision. This is a theme here, folks. No, but it is. And that's okay. Because in this situation,

it actually makes the game more exciting. Yeah. And it doesn't make the game much harder. Everybody's got to deal with the same challenges. Rich McKay said that in 2023, the touchback percentage was or the return percentage was 21% and under the new rule and Nate pointed that out earlier but under the new rule the projections 50 to 60% now if you're the NFL I know but if you're the NFL why not just turn that dial a little bit more so you can get 80% returns they started they started fresh so what that tells me is is offense first and then they are controlling for some sort of injury data you know because otherwise you just turn the dial up to

85 100% if you wanted every kick to be returned you do that. So what they're walking this tightrope trying to up the offense and also more pressure on kickers. I love it. Yeah. I love it. You have to kind of be like a dude perfect trick kickster to really like I think to consistently pop a ball up and get it in that fringe. Kickers are more like they're golfers now. Exactly. Like I don't I don't think it's hard. But I think that's a cool little wrinkle to the game that is going to be big because there's probably kickers that don't have the leg to like, hey, every game, I can't kick a touchback every single time my leg will get tired. Is that true? I would. If you were a kicker, you'd feel that way.

I think there's some kickers. This is getting exhausting kicking the ball. Well, I would think, so Chris, I would think the kickers that it's probably a small margin, but like kickers who don't get picked, there's probably a reason. It's probably like, yo, your, your leg power is probably not as strong as this guy. Right, right. So I'm just thinking, does this give the guys more opportunities like hey I might not have the power to do this but I know I can pooch this on the five 10 out of 10 times you would think good field goal kickers that can directionally place the ball would be the best control for the win would be really good in this situation so it doesn't seem to me like they're gonna have to bring on

there's no rush or punters or but this does increase the value maybe some punters would be like hey like yeah I can't do touchbacks but you guys want me to kick off a T and get it but my thing is too would it be different if they end up letting or on touchbacks or or safeties is it still going to be a punt from that what happens then yes so it would just be the same setup and that guys just be able to hold the safety situation the safety situation is typical right it hasn't changed okay so i can't wait to see a safety that's that's what i'm saying that's going to be like it would be like we get to see a dinosaur here Kyle had a good point too they should probably implement this new kickoff in madden so some fans can kind

learn it and it might help yeah but but here's the problem there's a bunch of programming that goes into that you know like but that's easy i think those guys get paid for that's a totally different thing i think they'd have to almost redo the game i don't know i don't make video games i mean i think it wouldn't be too difficult for the nerds to be able to program it okay because look it's it's a land it's a land if you catch the ball here the ball goes here immediately paid the nerds to do it the ball goes out the if the ball goes out of the end zone it goes to x yard line you're kicking it now from the 35 instead of the 30 it's I mean, there's not a ton of changes. The difference would be the line of scrimmage for the blockers and the rush team

and how they would program reactions to having a safety blocking a corner in space. That's the weird part. All right. So anyways, I think it's a good, I think it's a good, I think it's a good rule change. Listen, here's where I am on the hip drop thing. You know, the other day I was like very anti. I still don't like the rule because I think there's going to be unintended consequences. I understand Kyle that it doesn't get caught a lot.

and so we're really not losing a play that we see executed a lot. The issue that I have with people at home who have been rugby-splaining this thing to me all week, you know, a bunch of guys that have never played in the NFL, and no offense, like at a couple turns during the sports calendar, like there might be an issue where I'm like, if you didn't play, you don't get to win this argument. And this is one of them. And it is, but it is like, listen, it is a subjective discussion. Like if you like the rule, I don't think you're an idiot.

But, you know, like, I also think the rule being implemented is not going to wreck football. We have adjusted at every turn in the road throughout the history of the game. But one thing I think that people miss is that this is an intentional, malicious play all the time. Take it. That you said it. People think it's, people think it's an intentional and malicious play all the time. No, it's not. They don't understand that.

No, I mean, there's a lot of fans out there that think, you know, like, hey, just tackle better. It's not that easy. And rugby's not the same. I'm sorry. But last time I checked, there's a bunch of. white guys out there playing rugby. The angle of pursuit is way different. Hold on. They're not all vanilla. No, I understand. Some of them are Samoan and totally badass, but the speed on a rugby field. Some of the white guys are badass, too. They're totally bad assed. They just signed one of the

Kansas City. And I don't want to offend some guy that plays rugby. You're tougher than me. You're supposed to get Ebner down here to beat you up like a junk. Yeah, but even Ebner would say you can't compare a kickoff return. He would actually be an interesting kind of talk to about that. You know, he'd be a really interesting guy to talk to. But like, you can't compare some of the angles and the speed with which guys are eating up green grass. Yep. And the fact that there are pads that you naturally grab onto, like, it's just a little bit different.

But here's another thing I think people are missing, Kyle, is there's going to be a ton of plays that are, the difference between whether it's a penalty or not is going to be predicated on how the ball carrier's legs stick in the ground or don't. And that has nothing to do without, you know, in some of these cases, how the defender's playing, you know, and I pulled up, I watched tape, you know, all year. I'm watching tape of the Rams right now. I'm going through. and I posted a play the other day that's a very innocuous tackle,

but very close to being, by definition, the hip drop tackle. And people are like, well, he didn't quite land on his legs. I'm like, okay, well, he kind of did. It was the same tackle. Like his hip hit the back of the ankle, but then the ankle actually pulled through and didn't get stuck in the turf. So there's going to be a lot of things that are predicated on what the offensive player's body does

and not how the defensive player comes in to make the tackle. Because there's a ton of tackles that start as perfectly legal, fair tackles in today's game, and we'll end up being hip drop tackles. And they weren't intended to be dirty. There's going to be some plays where, and Dean Blandino just came on yesterday. He was talking to Ari Meroff,

and he was saying that the Logan Wilson tackle is not by definition a hip drop tackle. So I don't even think people know exactly what it is half the time right now. And that's the issue is that like we as a whole, we don't understand or we haven't seen every type of quote unquote hip drop tackle. So this is always going to be. an issue when it ends up that someone's going to be losing money and or going to be suspended or whatever it may be because ultimately we don't like it sucks to lose money when you're

unsure of the real what the real rule is right exactly and it's just like if I'm going in to make a sack or make a tackle and a guy is quote unquote like dragging me or like a running back is stronger than me like ultimately in your mind you twist to get him down ultimately in your mind you want to drop your dead weight or drop whatever and just try to stop this person's momentum. I think that is what happens a lot on these hip drop tackles is a situation where you're maybe feeling like, oh, this guy is pulling me. Dyer straight. Yes.

And I need to do anything I can to stop him right now. And in your mind, it's like I drop my dead weight and I'll fall and he'll fall. And that in turns, I think a lot of times ends up being a hip drop tackle. But for that, it's just one of those things where, hey, guys, you're. You have to understand when that happens, maybe you slide down to the legs and you're going to have to trip them up. I know what's going to happen is people are going to try to torpedo people's legs. Yeah.

And I mean, and instead of wrapping people up, people are going to come in there with their heads down and they're going to try to chop people down. And what we're going to get is head injuries defensively and we're going to get ACL injuries. There is it. I do agree with that. And it's just one of those things that's like, damn if you do, damn if you don't. Like either way, it's like, hey, if we start torpedoing, this guy's going to get more concussions. if we don't stop this.

But you put your finger in the dam. Exactly. And the water's coming out somewhere else. You just can't. And that's why I don't think them having a 15-yard penalty for something that they can't define to the simplest of fans is not a good idea. It's going to be tough.

Here's the deal. There have been changes in this game since the inception of football. On both sides of the ball. There have been, I guess, consolations for all positions in the techniques that they can use When I came into the league, you were able to do things to defensive linemen on the backside of run plays that you can't do from a legal standpoint now. When Dab played, guys were high-loing defensive line.

And they said, no more high-lows, just one guy, okay, no more two-on-one. So it was one guy cutting out the legs. And then they were like, we've got some guys getting hurt. Can we stop doing that? Let me get through this, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, we have had to make constellations as offensive players. I do understand.

Are you serious? Listen to me, though. Let me finish. I am. defensive players, I do wholeheartedly empathize with the fact that you have to change the way you approach tackles. You have to live in fear of getting fined. You have to live in fear of being labeled in a high, can't go low. You can go a number of places. You can't brain guys. You can't just, well, obviously you can't because he didn't get in trouble for it, but you can't just like

But you didn't like that, Kirby Joseph. That's what I said. I don't like it. I don't see more of that. I don't like it. You're going to see more of that. If it happens, don't celebrate in his face. I got no problem with it. Let me finish on this topic. I got no problem with it. If you for one second think that this is a defensive-led National Football League, you are very, very mistaken. This is a quarterback-led league. The National Football League is one that monetizes points. Sorry, I sneeze, 15 yards. You will never see a quarterback be forced to change the way that they play the football game.

I heard one defensive player say, well, quarterbacks can't throw it to players who are being trailed by a defender. They can't fake slide. Because that's the reasoning for this. And in my opinion, it's like, dude, I'm sorry. This is the National Football League. It's an offensive league.

We want to see points. As long as you admit that, that it's mostly about offense. Dude, that's what it is. Okay, okay. Now, I'll say this, though. Are you done? Yeah, I'm done. Go ahead.

I'm done. Okay, what I was going to say is... Happy birthday. You start, thank you. You started with... We've had to make changes, too. But that, bro, like, that's like white people saying, we've had it hard.

How do we get here? Because that's the first analogy that popped into my head. How did we get here? Like, because it's so easy for you guys. Is it true? Is it true? Is it true? You guys are?

It's not easy. If they wanted, if they wanted to make things safe, you're acting like now we're even. No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I empathize with the fact that you're having to drastically change the way that you tackle people, particularly when you're in trail. I understand that sometimes it's you, the offensive player, and the end zone. You have to do whatever you have to do to get him down.

Yeah. I empathize with this, dude. I do. But changes have to be made because superstars are getting injured. My only problem is you're likening it to like getting rid of the chop block, which is completely malicious. Like the chop block is a way to hurt guys. It's a way to get guys down. But no, it's not.

Yes, it is. They are not the same. There is a skillful way to chop block somebody without hurting. When you are a ball carrier, it is a one-on-one situation in this hip-drop tackle, and you do have some control over what happens, as evidenced by the, I mean, basically my biggest problem with this thing is it's like saying, hey, you can run a red light, but as long as you don't tee bone somebody, it's not a penalty. Like, it's all about the result, which is dictated by how the other person's driving. And I wouldn't even say that's a clean analogy because you're not breaking a law until the guy's feet get caught up under you.

So I just think there's like a little bit of punishing a guy for doing what he would have done in the very parallel scenario where he doesn't get punished. And so, like, that's tough. With a chop block, it is the same. A chop block is a chop lock is a chop block. There's an intent there, and it is not a way to get the guy on the ground. It's not a fair way to get the guy on the ground. It's not. No, it's not.

Yes, it is. If I'm out leverage, if I'm, Chris, if I'm playing off, if I'm at the fucking right tackle spot, and there's a three technique by the name of Gerald McCoy, who is one of the best jet technique, defensive tackles in football, and I know that Matt Forte is running to the nine hole, which is to my left earhole, I have to do everything I can

with what God gave me to get him blocked So cut him And if I can't get there with my feet And block him with my hands I'm going to try to cut him But that's not what we're talking about I'm not trying to hurt him But we're not talking about

I'm going to try to get him down We're talking about we're talking about Cut blocking, chop blocking is the same thing No it's not No it's not High Loing is different Chop blocking is not High Loading is not the same thing

High Loing is I put my hands on you So you engage me and my buddy cuts you Chop Block That's a high low And a high low Are the same thing in my book So maybe we're having a language thing. No, no, high, low is two guys.

Yeah. Cup block is one guy on one guy. What's a chop block? Chop block. Two guys. A cup block. No, it's not. Yes, in my opinion.

Okay, so maybe the argument is just, it's a misunderstanding. Because I think there's nothing wrong with a cup block, and they haven't done away with the cup block. Yeah, cup block one-on-one. I can't cut you. I can't cut you. I can't cut you if you're behind me because that's, that's bullshit. Cut a guy if you're behind them. Same thing with dropping on a guy's hip when you're behind.

No, but there's, there's, here's how you can. could get ahead of the guy be better. That's what I say about defensive players that are afraid that guys are going to get past them and they can't tackle anymore. But I see guys. Move your feet better. But that's not true. But that's the argument.

Here's what's a lot easier. Getting two feet to get a hand on Gerald McCoy. Now go in the middle of the field and tackle a guy who you can't hit high. You can't lead with your head. You can't hit high to find that. You can't hit in the head and neck area. You can hit in the chest. You can hit in the chest.

the biggest target on the body. But be careful where your head is. It's not the same as, hey, don't hit this guy in the back of the legs. I'll go back to, I'm glad I'm an offensive player. I'm not your legs around him. Because I don't have to tackle anybody. No, I'll just say this. We'll be even if they take away the cut block.

Okay. How would you like that if they took away? Are you saying like if I pull out on it? No, on the perimeter, it's illegal right now to cut guys. I understand that. So you're saying in the tackle box, no cutting at all. No cutting at all. I would agree that.

Be better. Be better. I would agree there. But you wouldn't. No, I just did. If that rule change happened, you're doing it for the sake of the argument. I was so bad at cutting that I had to back door. It's what Trent Williams does and he doesn't get caught for it.

Oh, it's where I grab the front of your jersey. It's a slingshot. Yeah. I used it. Well, it's holding by the letter of the law, but you've got to find ways to get blocked without being labeled a dirty player. You can run this yellow light, but if you hit anybody, you're going to prison. Yellow light?

I changed my analogy. You can run this yellow light. I'm just saying there's a lot of things that change. The game changes for everybody. No, no, I understand. Even the kickers. How do you guys feel? Do you guys feel like to the extreme that this is the next step to football being

like flag football? Jay J.J. Watson says it's flag football. Isn't it a little much? Like don't you feel like that's a little much that like guys? And fans calling it flag football. You're fucking crazy. But when you hear big time stars and like ex players say it. away the hip you're up. Why wouldn't they say it too? Well, because they're because they're

because they are so attached to how tough they think that they are in the game that they played was and that nobody after them could be tough. And it's like, just shut the fuck off and enjoy the game. Somebody's calling our brand. Take your fucking pension and shut the fuck. Okay. All right. Somebody somebody's somebody, somebody, all right, offensive guys. So somebody could call our generation of football players flag football players. And we would beat them 94 to nothing. Right. And I would pancake them 42 times. So I don't agree with the flag football thing because people are still going to die earlier for playing this sport. So for fans at home to call it flag football, like, no, you don't get to do that.

Like you can disagree with the rule like me, but if you call it flag football, then what are you playing? You've never touched anybody. You know, this is a fucking violent game. Go watch a nine on seven period in August. It's a violent game. at any city across the nation whether it's high school junior college college or the NFL there's not tell me you go talk to one of those motherfuckers I just got hype I just got hype there's there's nothing about flag football with the guys that size running that fast no to each other no there's nothing

it doesn't even sound like black football to me okay so there were some rule changes the other thing that happened is uh jadavian clowny signed with the panthers on a two-year deal up to 24 mil this guy just keeps getting the bag bro you know he is the defensive version of kirk cousins and i mean that like endearingly because i think kirk cousins a good player and i'll tell you i'll tell you what i think about javian clowny i think a bunch of fans missed the mark on this this guy's had a really good career i cannot believe some of the people that use that b word about him i'm like bro have you watched him play now he has been variable there have been deals where he was mailed it in but when he turns it on dude do you see him in baltimore last year have you seen did you watch him

in houston when he was playing next to j jay j wott he was a big part of that thing you know he was a big part of jay jay jay's success too i mean they were a part of each other's success jadavian clowny is a fucking freak show and the thing i love about jadavian clowny is he can play the run too and yeah he only has 52 and a half sacks which is a lot of fucking sacks in the nflbill first off but he's not a sack artist and I think that's what people kind of hold against him. He is a disruptive cat. Does he mail it in in Carolina because it's not as fun to play there as Baltimore?

I don't know. That's going to be up to... Isn't the story he has family out there? He's like closer to... Yeah, he is. He's from South Carolina. And you know, you know that with that, like, sometime that maybe gives you an extra pep in your step.

You have more family members and people coming to see you play. You're closer to home. You maybe get some family-cooked meals. maybe maybe maybe maybe it is different maybe it is different maybe maybe he's maybe he's maybe he's dominant maybe Bryce turns it around I heard Adam Thielen say this this week Bryce Young dealt with more bullshit and I'm paraphrasing than anybody I ever played with like he was not set up I love Adam feeling and so it's cool for saying it just come back to

talking about the Panthers for a second like I'm not going to to you know give up on that that kid you know like yeah I really am interested to see what he looks like this year with a competent offense. Now, part of that's going to be the personnel. They fill in around him, but I think Canales is a good coach. And the porn addiction thing, he seems to be over that. Was that Canales? Yeah.

Had a porn addiction? Pretty relatable head coach. I guess all these guys with sex addictions are getting paid. Jaylon Johnson just got extended. Yeah, do you think, yeah, like, I just got over a sex addiction. Don't bring that Hollywood bitch. Don't bring that Hollywood bitch. Nobody ever omits a sex addiction unless,

until something bad happens. But that's why I think I like Jalen Johnson. He got paid and was like, I just overcame a sex addiction. Jalen Johnson is the first guy ever that didn't have his feet to the fire and was like, they were like, hey, how do you feel about your new contract? I love ass so much. Man, I just got to tell you. I have been battling a sex addiction.

Which is awesome that he comes out and says that, because I could imagine what it's like to be addicted to sex. He is just on the hips of these receivers at all times. If I was addicted to sex, I would. Sex Edition or porn? I feel like you can make fun of sex addictions because like it's mostly the husband's porn addiction falls under sex. I think it's the one addiction that we can make fun of. Yeah.

You know, you just walk around and you're like, just hump anything out. Like in the middle of the podcast. Like those dogs. Like when your dogs aren't neutered, they do that all the time, right? Or spade, neutered, whatever. They phantom sturt. Get your animal, spade or neutered. Canales out four to six weeks, neutered.

They just cut his ball. off so that he doesn't fuck everybody. He's just in a cone on the sideline week one. He's in a cone. Oh, speaking of, would you guys, are you guys going to get a vasectomy ever? Would you ever get a vasectomy? No. Yeah. No? No? Why not?

What if I'm the last man left on earth? That's not the case in this scenario. You can reverse it. You don't know that. Okay. You know you can reverse it. Do you think they double knot it? Girl. They give you a navel rope if you're a boy. Well, they nod the girls. They clip us. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

All right. That's enough about getting snip and... The people get this procedure done during the start of March Madness. So you get two weeks to chill. During March Madness last year, I went to a birthday party, and there were two guys there that just got snipped. I mean, it is a real thing. You know what the number one day is to get snipped the day before the Super Bowl?

Oh, the Super Bowl's number one? The day before the Super Bowl. Really? Really? Yeah. You get the Super Bowl and then the day after to just kind of... Yeah. Hmm. You can P. Diddy snapped?

Okay. All right. No Diddy, yo. No Diddy. I think Pete Diddy's got a bunch of jars with humans in him. He's a fucking evil guy. Hey, guys, let's talk about this NBA gambling thing before we get to Honey Badger. I read a little bit about this.

This is cool. So I think what's really interesting, it's just an interesting general discussion. And I feel like we're having these discussions every two weeks now about, like, somebody getting in trouble for gambling. And I'll say this, you sent me Ryan Rissillo's pod, and you said that guy did it as good as anybody. No surprise. He did 10, 11 minutes on John T. Porter, who's the brother of Michael Porter Jr. He makes $450,000 a year. He plays for the Raptors.

I actually coached against him and his brother back in Missouri. Did you really? They were obviously really good team. Did he play well that night? Yeah. Maybe he had the over. Anyways, two games in question, James. January 26th, the Raptors are playing the Clippers, and then March 20th, they're playing the Kings.

And what basically happened is, this guy barely plays. You know, his totals against the Clippers in January were five and a half points, four and a half rebounds, one and a half assists, half a made three. He exits that game four minutes in with an eye injury. And what's interesting that Ryan points out, and Ryan's not coming from it, like Ryan's very, Ryan's very contrarian. And so if everybody's like, hey, it's obvious, he's going to be like, that's not so obvious. But I trust Ryan. And he's saying, if you watch these games, there's not a ton of things that if you were

watching with no pretense, you'd be like, oh, this guy's point shaving. It's not headache Smith out there. So like, you know, I think one of the things he pointed out though was that somebody clipped him in the head on a drive in this in this Clippers game. It was Russell Westbroke. And he hit him like in the shoulder and the side of the head. And then, you know, Jonte Porter walks off and he's like,

oh, my eye. You know, he had this eye injury that was maybe preexisting or something like that. Yeah, so he leaves the game. And then the next day, Draft Kings is like, hey, of all the props that people hammered,

this under on, on Jonte Porter, all his unders were like the biggest action of the night in the NBA and also the biggest wins for the public. And so it's like, oh, a little red flag there. How many people did on it?

Well, supposedly... Over half a million dollars in bets. In bets of, like, people were trying to bet 10 and 20 grand. And, you know, the max on a lot of these sites are like 2 grand for this very reason, right? Because this is an easy thing to game is like, you know, unders or point totals or whatever. So anyways, it happens again, March 20th. And, you know, he's playing Sacramento three minutes in. He's got an illness.

And, you know, Draft King said the same thing. Surprise, surprise. The next day. And the funniest thing about this is, like, The dude got two rebounds immediately in this game, which is hilarious. He's like, they both fell right to him. Yeah. And Ryan said that, you know, Ryan watched this more than I did.

But like, you know, supposedly one rebound, he kind of fumbled it. I appreciate that Ryan did this boots on the ground research. Yes, because I trust Ryan. Because like, it's easy for me to look at this in a sport that I don't follow that closely and say. But, you know, Ryan made a good point. It's like in today's society, everybody wants to blame the zoo. But it's really the guy that climbs into the enclosure that can't read the sign. It's like everybody else is doing the right thing with this fun thing, but a couple people are, yeah, a couple people are doing the wrong thing. And they're the type of sociopaths that are willing to throw a game. You know, and in the NBA, when you're making $415,000. Now, I don't know that they're investigating right now. The NBA has data scientists for this. So like, you know, if you're going to cheat on a legal book, like, they're going to find out. That opens up the conversation like, bookies still exist. And they existed long before this. So this is the key part of my point, which is that,

Like you can look at the sport and say there's so many people cheating. I think we're finding out who those people are more now than we ever did. I think back in the day when they were just bookies, this stuff was happening all the time. Yep. But you couldn't track it. There's no draft kings to be like, hey, this is fishy, you know. Back in the day, it was your neighborhood book and whoever got in touch with the player. And, you know, if the player wanted to throw a game, he did, nobody knew it.

Yeah, still overseas. Unless it was obvious. Bro, still overseas, there's a lot of basketball games where guys, like, Like, they kind of know, like, hey, like, they have to tell the American guys, like, hey, we can't win this game. Yes. Like, just know that. Yeah.

We can't win this game. And, like, we're not going to make it out of this arena alive if you decide otherwise, like, that. Because European basketball is so ferocious. Yeah. And they say the Balkan League gets fixed a lot. I don't know what's going on in the Balkan League. But, like, if you want to fix games or you want to find a lot. There's a lot of examples.

There's a lot of examples. Kind of like highlight. Yeah, highlight. Highlight. Highlight. Oh. lie. You know, one of the things, one of the things, it doesn't take a lot to get a red flag with this.

I think a lot of the people, especially the public, think it's got to be this million-dollar thing. Or you start putting five, 10 grand on certain props. Like, the red flags pop up. Yes. It's not like it takes a lot for this to happen. And it is conceivable that his friends knew about his injuries and they could be real injuries and that they all put bets in, which, which, you know, like, comes in the conversation like, you're not supposed to share injury.

That's some Pelosi. Which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, What if his eye doctor gave the tip? What if, what if his eye, what if someone seen him leaving the eye doctor? I have reason to leave this guy's in on it. Just, but, but there is the plausible deniability of like, all my friends could have gone and placed these bets. So let me, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this from a different perspective. If you are in on it, what is a good offer? If you're a bookie and you want me to throw a game, what are you offering me that I'm going to risk my professional career? What are you offering me? Well, if the,

book has the information and say he's going to he's going to win a hundred thousand dollars in bets then you don't need to pay that player a hundred thousand dollars if it's a college kid you can pay him 10 no i'm talking about NBA i'm talking about this NBA i don't know well if there's a guy making 500 grand you don't have to pay him nearly as much as the guy like you know a durand and that's why i think you know the fuck around and find out access thing yeah it's just a way to to to call to a graph, really, for me. But, like, if there's two axes on this thing, one axis is, is how easy it is to fix a particular sport.

And the other axis is how well compensated are the players playing the sport. And then if you look at that, if you're like doing something illegal, is just like, like, thinking, like, how do you feel like you're not going to get caught now and day? You would think, no, and that's the thing. Like, how do you, I would go, if I was doing this, I'd go to a bookie. Because I, because I'm telling you, they don't think, they think it's got to be this huge number to be a red flag. And it's not. And it's not. It's not because they have data scientists because like for instance, you know, Temple got caught up in some shit a couple weeks

ago and there's a U.S. Integrity Group that flagged it and you know like somebody's always watching. Somebody's always like running numbers. Temple. They were there was a throw in the game scandal that came to light a couple weeks ago. But you know like think about March Madness, $2.7 billion thing. So March Madness, they really. really want to protect the quote unquote integrity of gambling even though for eons probably guys have been throwing games now it's just easier to do that and you know uh you talk about like people being vulnerable to throw games if they're not making a lot of money some of these smaller schools the guys aren't getting the big nil dollars you know you think about being a fifth year

senior it's you're in the n i t like you know if i can make a quick 20 on my way out not the saying that i would but for a guy that doesn't care about the integrity of the sport like that's easy Of which there are many. And that's the problem is in March Madness and in the NCAA right now, you're talking about Charlie Baker. And he's saying, you know, let's get rid of these prop bets, you know, which I think is actually fair in college. I think that's the smartest and easiest thing to do.

Like, and it's funny here in Virginia, we can't do prop bets on individual players anyway. So like I don't know what I'm missing out, but traveling this past, this past trip when we stopped in North Carolina, I look at my, my fan do, my betting. And I'm like, wait, you can bet college players individually for points and stuff like that yeah i placed the boo booee prop bet and it hit but like you know it's it's it's it's fucking these players are not all compensated the

same and the same thing in the NBA my first thought was like this guy can't have money problems and $450,000 is a ton of money and nobody should be in financial trouble no regular person is watching this feel sorry for for for this player but he might be in some financial trouble he might look at it and say like I'm not going to be in a league a lot longer like he might not look at his brother's big contract and say like I'm never going to be broke he might think like I need to make some money and so like even in the even in the NBA the range of like you say Kevin Durant would never throw a game he's what does he need money for but there are a couple guys that might think they need money or they might be DGend gamblers and they might be in a big debt and the guy says hey he might

be in debt that's what you have to do for me like you want to you want to get rid of this debt, you just throw these two games and we're good. Yeah, yeah. Two things real quick. They interviewed Michael Porter Jr., and he said that when he plays, he hears people in the crowd all the time saying, like, I need two more points for you for this prop, or no, don't score over 20

5 points. So, like, that's pervasive and it affects the game. And the other thing is that the Toronto Raptors are trying to lose games in this three months. So we talk about competitive integrity. They're actively tanking. They've lost 11 games in a row. That's an environment in which,

a player throwing a game doesn't feel as criminal. Not as transgressive. No, it's not as transgressive because you're actually helping the team do what the team wants to do. So everybody's in on this thing. I mean, like, even if you're tanking,

yeah, like, you can look at this player and we all wag the finger at the player. And I wouldn't want to play with the guy who's throwing games. But organizations are throwing games. And so when you look at a win total and that sort of thing, like, you know, you don't know what they're doing this year.

So anyways, I'll just say this. I'll finish with this. Like, it is about, to me. Number one, this has always been going on. Now you should actually look at this stuff as a positive as saying like, hey, there's more deterrent. In the past, there was no deterrent because people

weren't getting caught as much. Now there's a deterrent because every two, three weeks, there's some story that's like a horror story for a guy. And it's not even the legality of it. It's like you're gone from your sport if you're throwing games. And so, like, you're disgrace. And so, you know, like, dreams. Another example of

and the NCAA to me is like Rome. Okay? The NCAA is like Rome. It's just too big to rule. It's gotten too big. There's too many schools. There's too much variability now in the Wild West age of NIL to where you can, like, you know, control for every kid and what they're probably motivated to do or not do. And then on top of it, there's been, there's like tennis, okay?

Like making all his jokes about betting tennis. I don't think he has any, like, inside info, but tennis gambling is a $50 billion industry. You know, I just said March Maddust is 27. You think about how big that is. There's a lot of people betting on tennis, okay? back five, six years ago, there's 180 player ring from 30 countries. So like 30 countries worth of tennis athletes, 180 tennis athletes, and there was a guy in Brussels named Grigor,

and he was targeting these low-level matches. So in the low-level matches, and again, this calls back to like the less somebody has to lose, the more apt they're going to be to make a quick buck. You find these tennis players are making like two grand a match. That barely covers their travel expenses in a lot of these tournaments. That guy could bet props too, where he would often bet them to lose the first set. And that way they could win the game. Yeah.

And that's the thing. That's another thing. I looked at one side of the axis. The reason this is a perfect storm is one side of the axis is how easy is it to fix these games. Tennis is an easy sport where you don't have to lose. You can be incentivized to lose a game or a set, not the match. And the other side of the axis is these people are making 2K a fucking match. They might be in debt depending on where the fucking tournament is.

So like they're going to be willing to do this stuff and that's what he targeted was all the small tennis players that weren't making a lot and the bets were small enough that it wasn't raising alarms But eventually they actually got There was like an Indian tennis player that got busted and they traced his phone back to the sky in Brussels They wire tapped him for like two years So and then after the two-year period they started accruing all these cases The tennis guys are degenerate Everybody that's the thing

All right we're not all coke heads in here but if you gave us all cocaine we'd be cokeheads okay correct exactly all right matt but but gambling is gambling is and bo-monte jones said this the other day on twitter i thought it's a great analogy gambling is cocaine you know okay which which you could make an argument for being legalized if you're like me and you think personal responsibility and all this stuff like but but it's gambling is addictive it's like any other vice it's going to give you a hit of dopamine Can you control that monster inside you? It's like anything else in society.

Don't tell me we need to do away with gambling if we're not going to do away with alcohol, tobacco, you know, you know, Zin, fucking, you know, any of these vices that people have, it's up to the individual to control that vice. We can't do away with gambling because a couple people, as Ryan Rissillo put it, can't read the fucking sign outside the tiger cage.

The fraud giant. Most people aren't going to do it because they're afraid. Chris, if you haven't heard of the friday, It's a framework used to explain the reason behind an individual's decision to commit fraud. The fraud triangle consists of three opponents. One, opportunity, two, incentive, and three, rationalization. Fraud triangle, guys. Happy birthday, Chris, one more time.

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Challenging, but fun, you know. Dude, it's about to get more challenging. They just did the hip-drop tackle rule yesterday. Everybody's talking about that rule, and I haven't been able to talk to a DB personally yet. I've talked to some backers and, you know, I'm a D-Liman, so I'm not in these situations as much. in the middle of the field or trailing a slant technique or whatever. But like where do you think this is going to affect the game the most? And what do you think about the rule?

Well, I think it's going to affect the game a lot. Because I think the game, especially defensively, man, like so much of it is built on that, right? Like that that fear component, that intimidating factor. And, you know, I think not being able to rough these guys up sometimes, like it gives them this sense of invincibility, you know, as an offensive player. So I think defensively it's been tough. I think for me personally, man, when I first came into the league in 13, it was kind of going there. Yeah.

Right. And so for me, I've always kind of, you know, I've been in the process of kind of taking it out of my game and just focusing on the ball. Like, how do I get the ball, right? So I've kind of been in that mindset for years now. And well, you don't really care for, like, blowing guys up. Like, I'm more infatuated with getting the football. You know what I mean? But I do see that's going to affect, you know, a lot of guys who, you know, they take pride, right?

And being that enforcer, you know, for their teams? I remember a guy named John Abraham? He was a great rusher, played for the Falcons. You probably hated the Falcons. I played with Abe. You play with Abe? I play with Abe. I'm home, bro.

In Arizona? Was he in Arizona that year? Yeah, he was in Arizona, man. Dude, Abe was the man. He was wide open, but he was a great rusher. Yeah, he was a great rusher, man. I never knew how you did it. You know what I mean? It's like, because when you know Abe, you're like, man, how does he get 10 sacks every year?

Every year. It's the hardest. Bro, believe me, I tried to do it my whole career. Like you have a couple years where things fall right, but this guy was a sarcastic artist. And the one thing he told me was, because this was around the time of what we were talking about, he said, listen, I don't even go for the man anymore. You know, I just go for the ball. And, you know, like, it's the easiest way to get a sack.

Easiest way to take the ball off somebody is to just ignore the body. And so I guess there's probably ways that you guys can be creative and play the ball a little bit more. But do you ever find yourself in a hip, drop tackle situation. I always feel like for me because I wasn't a great tackler. If I ever did it, it was on accident because I come in all out of control and head down and just trying to blow something up. But I'd be on somebody's back a lot. Because part of it is as the players advancing down the field, as a defender, I don't know if you feel this in the open field, but you want to keep them from going forward. Correct. So you're always pulling them in the direction just instinctively.

Like, did you end up in these situations a lot? And were they intentional when you did hip drop? It's never intentional. That's what I see. Yeah, that's what I said. Being a deep safety, you know, especially the last few years in the world is I played more traditional safety. You know what I mean?

Whereas before I was kind of like more of a nickel corner, you know, hybrid-type deal. And I do feel that in the open field is when it happens the most. Yeah. Right? Because the game is all about angles, right? And every now and then, Seycorn, Berkeley might get a better angle than the one you were taken. And he's got a better angle. He's got a better angle just to start with.

because that fucking guys. Right. And I mean, like, we're not talking about kids either. Like, these dudes are explosive, right? And arm tackles don't work. So I think, you know, when you're getting those positions where you're just trying to hang on. And I think that's what most defenders are trying to do

when they're, you know, getting these hip drop tackle this. Man, they're really just trying to hang on and not let these guys get four or five, you know, extra yard, those leaky yards that the coaches always talk about. If there was a rule and you were the commissioner for a day and you wanted even the score for us guys on defense. What are you doing? Is there something that you think the game could change

to even the playing field that would be semi-reasonable? Well, I think especially on the outside, right, with the corners and the receivers. Like those are physical specimens, right? And I think, you know, to have those corners be able to kind of bump and run those guys for 10 yards and 12 yards, I think that's, and then to give you guys the big guys up front

an extra half a second to get to the quarterback you know what I mean so if they could kind of you know put that in the rule book um let the corners bump and run for 10 yards uh like I'll be cool with that you know I would be cool with that but I'd be one of those people would be mad as hell I'd be like bro I would have had a hundred man like it's right you know and and and one thing about you guys though is you guys you guys can man up down there you know and and I guess speak to what it takes to be able to as a group man up you might have a couple guys that can man up but do you play combo coverage some or do you just say, hey, across the board, we can man up. And do we help the guy?

Like, take me, I'm one of the guys that's rushing. I'm not looking behind me. I just know if we're in Manor's own. What does it take to be able to say, hey, we are going to, our bread and butter is going to be man in this. Well, I think, well, I think it depends on the unit, you know, and a group that you have. You know, when I was in Arizona, you know, we had Patrick Peterson. We had Gerard Powers. We had a lot of guys that could play and cover it.

So we ran a lot of true, man. You know what I mean? And when I went to Kansas City, it was a little different. We played a lot of man-a-man, but it was more a combo man, right? And here in New Orleans, we have some great corners, right? We got three or four guys that could just cover. And so, you know, I think it's easy to say, you got him. You know, I got him.

But every now and then, you know, two veterans that kind of get together and they'll kind of do their own thing, you know what I mean? So you guys, yeah, it works out. Do you guys ever fight over who gets who? And because like BG, Brennan Graham, one of my good friends, and we never got into it ever when I was in Philly but one time. And that was when we were arguing over who had to go over and rush on Tyrod Smith in two minutes.

Like, you know, like there are those things that go on in the huddle where we have certain freedoms as players to set the front or run games. And for y'all it might be who's the matchup, or do you guys dictate that through the week? Well, we're kind of dictated through the week, you know, especially, you know, with Latimore, right? Like when he's healthy, like he's going to get the number one guy. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, fans, butts about it.

We don't care what formation they come out in, like go find him, right? And so that's easy, right? But I think I played in other groups too, man, where like we didn't care how they broke the huddle, right? You got one, I got two, and you got three, you know what I mean? And so, you know, I think from there throughout the course of week of practice, obviously you put it all together, right? You work, you go through every tool, right? One player might be man and man. the next play we might, you know, a combo in and out, right?

So it really based on practice and how you guys flowed in practice and how you guys communicated and practice. And then we kind of usually take that, you know, to the game. What do you think made Spaggs so special? Because, you know, Spaggs was my head coach when I was young and, you know, like he threw a lot at us. I mean, it was like a think in defense. I mean, even for the guys up front, there's a lot of pressures, a lot of fire zones.

And, you know, behind us, there was a ton of decisions. skies and I thought that's what made not only having Sneed who was man he was amazing this year and McDuffie but also the fact that the picture is never the same was was that difficult for you guys like to to get on his page I know he's a great teacher but what went into to making you guys look so multiple in Kansas City man it was tough now when I first got to Kansas City I was like yo what the hell is going on you know what are these coverages right like and it kind of took me a minute. You know, I probably say when I went to Kansas City in 2019, you know, I actually went all pro that year, but it took me so long to get going. You know what I mean? Like it took me to like

November to like really understand the defense and kind of what it was asking. And, you know, the longer I stayed in it, the longer I realized, like, it's a lot of things that kind of work with each other. Yeah. You know what I mean? So you might have a sub call, right, that's pressuring from the left side, right? But in that same in that same form, that's saying, look, you might have a weak pressure, right? And it'll be a different rotation on the back end, right? So once I kind of understanding the terminology, right, and how to how to cause kind of work together,

it definitely helped, you know, slow the game down for me and understand, like, what Spags was kind of asking us to do. I enjoyed it, you know, especially from a defensive guy perspective because, I mean, the game is getting better, right? And you've got quarterbacks that they understand coverage, better, right? Not only that, they can make every throw. And so I think when you have the element of disguise or that element of surprise, right, like, are they coming from the left or the right? It kind of gives you a chance to get your hands on the ball, you know what I mean, as a

defensive player. And so, like, I enjoyed that part of it, right? Because a lot of intercept out caught in Kansas City, they didn't see me coming. They didn't know I was going to be there, right? And just kind of hit you in the chest. So that was fun for me. Yeah, I mean, Kansas City had to be a great experience. I wanted to ask for the listeners of this podcast. about one of my co-host, Kyle Long. What kind of a teammate was Kyle Long? Man, Kyle is one of the best teammates I had, man. To be honest, man.

Man, good dude, man, right? Like, he's going to be the same guy each and every day. And what I respected about Kyle the most, man, was, you know, obviously we were highly talented coming into the league, right? And things don't always go your way, right? But for him to just come in, man, like head down, work hard. you know what I mean? Like, I think as a team leader

and as a team captain, that's all you could kind of demand of players, right? It's just coming to work and handle your business. And the best story about me and Kyle do is like, if one of us,

both of us kind of dip, you know, we were saying he had the long cup for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if I didn't have a can, he had one. If he didn't have one, I had one.

You know what I mean? So we can always count on each other. You know what I mean? Are you, was it cope? You cope long? It was Copenhagen. Yeah, it was Copa Higgin.

I actually don't do Copa Hagan no more. I've kind of been trying to little Zen stuff. Yeah, yeah, that's my stuff right there. Yeah, yeah. And you got to get the chill. I got the chill. I like the smooth. Yeah, I used to be a Codiac Wintergreen guy,

and then I quit a couple years ago because I was like, how many vices can you have? I mean, I can get this one out. So, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which Zen flavor you into now? I've always been wintergreen. Good man. I've always been wintergreen.

It tastes the most like dip. Yeah. Yeah, man, like, you know, like, some guys do the straight, right? And I'm like, yo, what are you doing? Yeah, you do a little flavor. Just go get some dirt, you know? Yeah, exactly. Put it in California now.

California, they don't let you buy any flavored dip. Yeah, so you got to go like. A good thing I don't really go out there that much. Exactly. Okay, let's talk about New Orleans because, you know, obviously you've been with the Saints for a few years now, hometown guy. And like, I just think you're the most New Orleans dude in the league, dude. You know, like, that's a cool-ass.

thing, you know, because it's such a cool city. And, you know, like, uh, you can really tell the passion that comes through with the fans, but also like the guys that are from there, you know, the guys that I know that they're from New Orleans, they're just, they're just cut different. And, and I just wonder how cool it's been to come home. And, you know, also this year, the Super Bowl being in New Orleans, like, it's all out there. Man, it's been fun, to be honest. You know, obviously, um, you know, uh, to just kind of put it out there, I didn't really, I didn't have any plans to leave in Kansas City, right?

And so, you know, I think when you're a veteran and you kind of made the money you wanted to make and you've done the things you wanted to do, you try to look for a situation that, like, that could provide you with enough motivation to kind of finish strong. You know what I mean? And I think New Orleans really, like, kind of gave me that.

And, you know, I'd probably say this, too. The last two years have been very, very underwhelming, you know, as far as, like, a team perspective and, you know, winning and losing. But it was kind of also the reason I decided to come back, right? It's like, you know, you want to be able to win. And you want to help this team win. You want to see this city win.

And so, you know, I'm grateful for that, you know, opportunity and perspective. But, yeah, that's been fun, man, you know, being on a team with dudes that, you know, like just adopted your city, right? Like, Cam Jordan and Kamara. Yeah. You know, even Michael Thomas and all these guys, right? Like, these are dudes that, like, like, my family love these dudes. You know what I mean? So from a fan perspective,

to be on a team with those guys that have done, you know, so many great things for the city that you love. Like, that was cool for me to be around those dudes and, like, really get to know them. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because a lot of them are really good dudes, you know?

Yeah, I kind of wonder if you growing up hated, like, the other teams that were rivals of the Saints. Like, did you hate the Falcons growing up? Yeah. I mean, I hated them. And only because, man, like, when I was growing up, You know, it's not much to do in Louisiana, you know what I mean, outside of like, you know, the festivals and, you know, Bourbon Street, stuff like that, you know what I mean? But every Sunday, my family would get together, you know, we were like, you know, pick somebody house to go to and, you know, they would throw a party, cook food, we'll watch the Saints plate.

And so, you know, Joe Horn was like always my dude growing up. I played offense. The cell phone. Didn't he do the cell phone? Yeah, yeah. He started a lot of that stuff, man. You know what I mean? You're catching the ball for a first down, you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Trailblazer. He was cool, man. He was cool, but, you know, I wasn't, like, overly, like, immersed in, like, I've never been, like, the spectator type. You know what I mean? Like, I've always wanted to play. Yeah.

So, but the games I did watch, man, yeah, I probably said the Saints were my favorite team, but, you know, Randy Moss is like my favorite player. Yeah, so I just want to wish all the Saints fans that are watching this, we always get a bunch of fans that come in that haven't seen the show before, but I want to wish him a happy 328 because that's the day we came back from 283 to beat the Falcons. So if you Saints fans are here,

you probably like that this holiday. So some exciting sign-ins, man, like I think the Willie Gay move, and I know you know, did you cross over with him in Kansas City? I play with Willie. Man, that dude, they're going to miss him in Kansas City

and you guys are going to love him, right? You already know that, but his sideline-to-sideline speed, when you've got a guy in front of you that can run like that, what does that do for you guys in the back end? It's amazing, right? Like, like coach said, like it clears the pitcher up for you.

You know what I mean? And, like, he's athletic, man. You know what I mean? Like, and I think when you, especially in the game today, man, like if you have linebackers that can run just as fast as a slot receiver, you know what I mean, they could kind of handle the downwallers in space, like it gives your defense an advantage, you know what I mean? And so, like, he's going to be big time for us.

And, you know, I think him coming in on a one-year deal, like that's going to like allow him to be hungry this year you know what I mean and to be motivated right so I'm looking forward to it you know what I mean I already reached out to him you know what I mean and kind of talk to him and let him know but I think just his energy man like the city is going to love him like because he's just so high energy right all day long and um I think the fans are going to love him you know obviously the team will love him but yeah he's he's a good dude a great teammate and he's one of those linebackers that, you know, like you've got to find a spot for him on third down.

Can't take him off the field, you can't take him off the field. I think as we talk about, like, trends in the way the game changed, you say quarterbacks are getting smarter. I also think a big trend is like if you can't win the middle of the field at the second level, if you don't have backers that can run, these Dolphins teams, these Niners teams, the teams are West Coast offenses that can really stretch the defense side to side. If you don't have that linebacker, you're fucked.

And I'm not saying, like, yeah, It's going to be a long day if you guys in the Eagles this year. I look at my Eagles and I'm like, damn, dude, they looked awful, but they just didn't have that speed, you know, and so like, you know, having those backers, I think it's such an underrated position. I feel like we kind of de-emphasized it, like low-key, not like the running back, but people forgot about the backers. And now I think it's today's game, it's so important.

I agree with that, man. I absolutely agree with that. And, you know, I probably say, you know, especially when I was in Kansas City, right? We didn't necessarily have that middle of the field linebacker, right? Anthony Hitchens was a great player, but he was more of a two-down player. But what Spag used to do was, which a lot of other teams are starting to do nowadays, you kind of see the safety taking the spot of the backer, right, and kind of on in the middle of the field, right?

And so that's another reason why I love to play in Spag defense, right? Because like switching things up, like not letting them see the same thing twice, right? But to your point, man, yeah, I think, You know, I think, you know, athletic linebackers, they're like, they're on the rise. Yeah, yeah. I mean, people got to get, they got to get hip to that or they're going to be fucked. I mean, so, I mean, you talk about being multiple and being versatile. That's one thing that people always talk about with you.

One of the reasons I respect you is because you do everything. You're like a Swiss Army knife. Obviously, Virginia's own Ronde Barber was one of the first guys that kind of did it all. And I see you in that same light. And then if you look at now the younger guys in the league, are there any guys that you're watching that you're like, that's the next me, that's the next guy that can do it all. Matt, to be honest, man, when I see Trent McDuffey play,

I'm like, yo, that was me like 12 years ago. You know what I mean? Like a guy that could just play outside corner, inside corner, right? He could blitz off the edge, right? Great blitzer. He could take out the slot receiver. He can match up on third down against a really good tight end. you know he tackles really well right my only knock on him is man just get your head around

because he should have had at least six pictures here you know what I mean but he he plays the ball through the ground right and that's what you hear of coaches say a lot is man fight him through the ground like you know what I mean and he does that so well he's amazing you know obviously when Buda Baker came into the league man he was actually on the same team and you know I think I thought they drafted him to replace me yeah the Buda Baker thing. Yeah, because Buda is kind of that Swiss Army knife as well. And I'm also like Jalen Thompson, the other safety as well. I think both of those guys, man, are, you know, two guys that kind of play the game, how I play it. They see the game, how I see it. And it's fun

to watch, man. Like, I tell these kids, man, you know, a lot of them kind of be happy to see me, right, after a game or out and about. And I'd be reminding them like, yo, I'm just much as a fan of you as you are of me. You know what? I mean. And so, but yeah, I think those two guys are going to be really good for a long time. Man, that's awesome. Yeah. The other thing that came up this week was the kickoff return. And I think you used to be, did you used to field kickoffs for a second or two in the pro? You know, that's, you know, that's how I got hurt. And then Bruce Ariens was like, do not ever let him return a kick again. He's more valuable on defense. So it's like,

it's been like 10 years since I caught a return. You know what I mean? Maybe it changes, though. That's how I got hurt, man. Hey, maybe it changes. Because here's one of the things I think with this new kickoff thing that's good is you're going to see more of the best players with the balls in their hand. I agree with that. Like, it's a different play.

Now it's like an offensive play. Like they can run track. And it's almost. Right. And it's almost like a body on a body. Right. Like all you need is a guy that can kind of see it and hit. You know what I mean?

So I can only imagine Tyreek Hill. You know what I mean? That's who I thought of first. Like in that situation, like, come on. Or even like a Debo Sammy, like somebody that's just big and strong and fast and, man, just get a body on them. You know, you can't arm tackle these dudes. You know what I mean?

And so, man, I think it's going to be fun for the league. But I think it'll be challenging. I think it'll get spicy. It'll get spicy at some point, you know? Yeah, dude. You know who's another guy? He signed like an hour after they changed the rule was Cordarral Patterson. Oh, man.

dude, Deborah, I tell you, man, I've always been one of the smallest dudes on the field. Right. And I never really, it never really bothered me going up against bigger dudes. But man, like, I would say this too on your show. I would rather tackle Derek Henry in the open field than Cardell Patterson. Oh, shit. And dude, because dude runs with so much, like, pad behind him. You know what I mean?

And I'm like, they're on my mind hitting one time. I think this was like last year. hit him and I didn't even want to hit him that hard right like but it's kind of like sometimes you just yeah I just hit each other right and I was like yo that hurt yeah dude he's he's like a damn he's like a damn like uh edge player right a four or five with the football in his hand I mean he's looks that big to me when all right I'll give you one from when I play people always used to ask me this because I was in Marchan's division but would you rather have to tackle Marchan or or Adrian Peterson.

I don't know if you got a shot at both those guys. I think you did. I did get a shot at both of them. Man, I'd rather go with AP. I'd rather tackle AP. Me too. Because I think in my mind, like, I knew what I was going to get from AP. Right?

Like, you know, I knew what I was going to get. And I remember playing against Marchand one year, right? And they threw a swing pass to him, right? And it's just me and him on the sideline. I'm like, oh, this is my moment. Like, he's about to drop the shoulder on. me right and you know I kind of close my eyes and I look up he's not there anymore I'm like this dude is like sidestep me you know what I'm like Marshaun wasn't always he wasn't always

trying to run over you you know what I mean so you got to keep your eye on him but I feel like with AP man like you kind of knew where he was going you know he just kind of had to bow up and get ready for it you know it was going to hurt AP I just AP had that concrete shoulder thing where it was like man and I always told people this like now it's interesting to hear it for from a DB. If I was in the tackle box, I'd rather see AP. You know, now, no, if I was in the, if I was in the tackle box, I'd rather see AP because I have jumped on Marchant's back at like the line of scrimmage. And I should have hip drop the motherfucker because he carried me like a damn cape for five yards, bro. It's like that guy was otherworldly strong. So yeah, that's,

that's an interesting answer there. All right, a guy you played with, I just want to hit you on this, Jadabian Clowny. He just got another big deal. That guy has been killing it. from a business standpoint through his whole career. And I always say this about Clowny. There's a lot of people that actually underrate him. You know, I think when he's on and when he's bought in, I never play with him. But when he is his best self, he is a demon, man.

I don't care if he doesn't get 10 sacks. Like he affects every corner of the game. And I just wonder watching him, like thinking back to Houston, what were your impressions of that dude? Man, so disruptive. Yeah, that's exactly right. Like at any given moment, can just flip the switch and just wreck it. You know what I mean?

And like you said, man, like, like, when he's bought in, like, and he wants to play with the guys next to him, like, he's really, really good. And you can see why they took him number one overall. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so I think that's going to always be the challenge with Clowny is. You know, I've always felt like he just needed to be around players that loved them, respect them, and held them accountable.

and the same for coaches, right? Like, if he was able to respect you and kind of take your criticism, right, as something that can be positive for him, man, he's the type of dude that would, he will go to war for you. You know what I mean? And so it's been good, man.

Like I said, I'm a fan in this game, right? And it's good to see guys like that, right? Like, where it doesn't really work out for him how we thought it was, but to see them keep going, right? Yeah, and doing it all, right? Well, he's just got to, you get such high expectations.

picked that high and like you know it's like you there's a lot of things that are easier for you but i think also like one thing for clowny is i've watched him play really well and some people just down him because of where he was picked and you know like he's definitely been a plus and the market agrees because they just paid him 24 over two years my goodness yeah i mean that that that's amazing you know what i mean like um yeah i mean but he's one of those prime like disruptors right and i remember my our year in houston right we we started off like o'n four and then i think we went like 11 12 or something like that thing we finished like 11 and 5 12 and 4 something like that but you know clowning was a big part of that right and it wasn't and he didn't have like 15 sacks no no no he was so

disruptive he set things up for people i mean i think j j j would tell you that too if you asked him like was my job easier when i rushed with clowning i mean my job was the easiest yeah everybody's job's easier so like i remember you know um i think i had four sacks that year it was like a career high but all of them came on the same side when i was lined up next to clown right? Everybody take him. I just come free. No question. No question. The other guy I want to ask you about was the Zach Bond kid because he's going up to Philly. He's going to Philly. And there's a lot of Philly fans that listen to this pot.

I like the kid, man. What do you guys say about this kid? Yeah, man, Zach is a great guy, great teammate, you know, very, very dependable, you know, accountable. You know, for me, I thought that last year, like, he really showed what he can do, right? And this was like a small, you know, micro dose, right? Like, because we had a lot of injuries, so it got to the point where we had to start playing Zach on the edge, right, and kind of get that pressure on the quarterback. We wasn't really affecting the quarterback as much as we would all like to. Yeah, you had to manufacture a little pressure. You guys really brought the pressure. Man, he did a great job for us. And I didn't realize,

like, that was one of his specialties coming out of college, right? It was just like handing the ground, rushing the quarterback. So, I'm hoping in praying that, man, like, the Eagles could be able to just let him loose, man. Like, he has so much juice and speed. Like, when you see his speed, like, you're going to be like, like, what? Like, he can run. You know what I mean? So I think he's going to, I think he's going to be great, you know, if they use him, you know, in that role.

In your division, I know you could probably say, well, it's a team that won it last year. But, like, who's the team to beat? Like, who do you think, who do you think feels like the lead dog in this division? I thought last year you guys finished that was funny as shit to see you guys knock Atlanta but the division last year was just all like it was all fucking you know

but who's the team that you guys are looking at like that team has a target on their back or do you just kind of put your head down and say hey we're all in a bunch and we got somebody's got to separate yeah I think you know given how the last two years kind of went for us

I think we don't have that luxury right like I think we just put our head down go to work and just kind of, you know, pull each other closer, right? Like, and become the type of team that, you know, we know we can become, right? And I'm also a realist, right? And I say, hey, you know, Tampa Bay, they re-signed, you know, Baker. Baker, yeah, brought back, you know, Mike Evans, right? You know, I can say that Atlanta, right?

Like, those guys have weapons on both sides of the ball, right? And you bring in a really good coach, you bring in a really good quarterback, right? They can kind of get the ball to these guys. So, you know, I've kind of been watching it all. But, you know, I think where we're at right now, it's like, man, like, how can we put in the work, right? To kind of show up and allow that work to show up, you know, September, October, November. You know, so I think that's where we all should be right now. Yeah, no question.

And the reason I love Mike Evans signing back with Tampa is I get my twice a year, Marshawn Lattimore and Mike Evans boxing match. Yeah, I mean, you got to see it, man. It's a different week. It's a different week for Lattimore. And I would say this too. I would say this too.

And I hope he see this, right? Man, if he, if he, if he, if he do that every week, if he said it itself, man, I'm playing Mike Evans. I'm playing Mike Evans. He'll be the best cornerback in the world. Yeah. I don't doubt it. I mean, he's already that good.

He's really good, dude. Yeah. That guy's that good. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what the motivation is behind. I don't know what the backstory is. I'm going to find out one day. But, man, they love to play against each other.

Last thing, last thing I want to ask. I want to ask you about a couple of young guys in division, some on your team, but guys on offense. When I say Bejohn Robinson, what do you think? Man, he's going to be special. Marshal Falk, you know, Ezra and James, you know what I mean? I agree. Like, Lidani and Tomlinson, you know?

And I didn't think the Falcons really used them as good as they should have last year, but, man, he's going to be good. Yeah. He's going to be real good. Yeah. How about Kyle Pitts? Is there hope for Kyle Pitts? I got a soft spot for Kyle Pitts because he's been catching the ball from DoorDash, Desmond, Ritter, and all these.

I think so, man. But it's like, whoa, like, open up his route tree. Yeah. Right? Like, because a guy like me who can't run as fast as him and I'm not as big as him, I'm going to study splits and alignments and where you're at in formation. And if I know where you're going, I mean, it doesn't matter how good the ball is. Yeah. You know what I mean?

So it's like, for me, I would get way more creative with him. No question. You know, he's running these, like, almost high school routes, right? Like, it's like, you know, I knew you were going there. Yeah. So, you know, I think he can definitely kind of get on that. I don't think he can run routes like Kelsey. But, man, if he could get that feel for the game, he'll be special.

Yeah. All right. There's a guy I really liked that I met when I was in Austin a couple weeks ago, and I think he's a really good back. Rashad White from Tampa. Shaw White is pretty good. Yeah. Does he remind you anybody?

He reminds me up, and I hope you agree with me. Right. He reminds me the Elvianne Bell. Oh. That's good because he's tall. He's tall. And he's like, he's never trying to just hit the hole, right? Like, he's always kind of hiding behind somebody.

And before you know what, he's jumped cutting and hitting it. And he's really good out of the backfield, too. Like, I don't think a lot of people give him credit for that. Like, he's exceptional out of the backfill, you know? so um but yeah man he gives me like leaving on belvile yeah dude that's a really good that's a really good comp okay give me give me a comp for the two guys that you see all the time because i think they're great olive and uh shahid oh man i had no idea olive was that fucking big dude yeah yeah yeah and he's getting bigger too like like i think every year he's kind of putting on

some mass he's putting on muscle um because we need him to right like like like you He's a number of receiver, and every ball isn't going to be you in space. I think sometimes you're going to have to make those 50-50 catches, which he made a few of them last year from some really, really good catches. If I had to compare him to somebody, oh, man, I feel like I am kind of leading him on, but I'll say it anyway. He reminds me of Justin Jefferson. Yeah.

In the way that, man, those dudes can run every route. They can do everything. They can line up inside, outside, and the back. backfield, you know, and with Shaheed, man, like, I'm so hesitant to say he reminds me that Tyree Kill because, like, I've played with Tyreek Hill and Tyree Kill is underrated. Like, a lot of people still think he's a one-trick pony. Like, he's a legit receiver. You know what I mean?

And so I think if Shaheed could kind of master that, the art of route running, like, he'll be just as explosive. You know what I mean? He was a rookie, I think, like, his first seven touches went for touchdowns. Guys explosive. But he scores touchdowns, you know what I mean? But I think once he starts to work on that, like the craft part of it, right? Like that savvy part of it, he'll be really good too.

Well, he's got good vets. He's got one good vet here. I'm looking at him, and Tyra Matthew. Hell of a player, dude. Enjoy watching you all these years, man. And enjoyed having you on, dude. So I hope you come back again. And kick some ass this year, dude.

I got you, man. Take call. I said, what's up, bro? I will. He said to say hello. Oh, yeah, for sure, man. Let's see, housekeeping. Housekeeping. Happy birthday.

Thank you. Happy birthday. Chris. Chris and I were sitting here before the show, and I looked at him, and I was on Twitter, and I saw Edelman post a birthday shout out. I looked at Chris, and I said, that was a surprise. I said, it's your fucking birthday? Yeah.

And Chris goes, yeah. And I was like, we talked about this the other day. You didn't, we couldn't remember when your birthday was. No, I just didn't remember what day it was. I'm not a big birthday guy. Or how old you were. You know, after a certain point. It's just a reminder that you're going to die, like, one year sooner.

Hey, to mine, bro. Which is actually, I mean, you guys were talking about I'm on the back nine. I think the back nine might be a lot of par three. You know what I'm saying? Explain. It's just, it speeds up on the back nine. You know, you think it's the back nine, but it's actually a little bit shorter. Yeah.

Like, you never know. With my height, with what I did for a living, like any year now, you know what? Your height? Your height? Yeah, you die sooner when you, when you're tall. Jeez. Oh, my goodness. Roundabout way.

He just told me I'm a time bomb. You're fucked. You are fucked, Kyle. Here we are. So here I am 39 years old. I got to plan my 40th birthday party. We can start doing that soon. But just a reminder to anybody hadn't gotten their big break yet,

Samuel Jackson was 43 when he got his first role that got serious critical attention playing Gator in jungle fever. Willie Nelson didn't move to Austin until 1972. There's countless examples. Yeah, Danny Almonte, he was 17. Yeah, so there's still hope. There's still hope. There's still hope for this podcast. There's still hope for me.

I was reading about all the things that are going to happen to me in my 40s. I am 12. One thing that stood out was prostate exams. I'm looking forward to it. You are? Yeah. I'd be like, can I bring lube? Can I bring lube for the front?

Is that what it's going to sound like? I can tell you. You know. I don't. Is it not great? I had a seven-year-old doctor. Seven-year-old doctor. Seven-year-old shoved out.

Seven-year-old doctor. It actually sounds more gentle. No, it was a seven-year-old guy on his way out, you know, to retire. He was on his way in. And he just, he's like, hey, man, it's time. And I said, all right, we did it. That's it. Is it painful?

It's uncomfortable. Yeah. It's uncomfortable. I feel like I'm going to have to act a little bit like it hurt, even if it doesn't, you know, because you don't want the doctor to be like, well, that was easy. I mean, the amount of lube this guy put on his fingers was ridiculous. So, like, I mean, they lube you up. Okay.

But it's still uncomfortable. I'm ready. It's not natural. I'm ready. Okay. Hey, I want to give out worst plane ride this week to Sean P. Ditty Combs. Probably the worst plane ride of the year. When you are a sex trafficker, allegedly, and you have to leave the country, that's probably for good.

like i don't know too many people that flee the country and come back no but like he was they they try to they try to make it different he didn't flee they did stop him the the worst playing ride part comes in that they arrested his drug mule before the flight who is a former syracuse basketball player and that kind of makes me wonder what magna mera was up to and all these guys you know what i mean pushing the rock to pushing the rock that's crazy i wonder adam's thine knows ditty I hope not. Adam Shine.

But can you imagine, look, all these allegations coming down on you, and the one thing you want to do, you know, I'm going to go to this fucking island, just smoke a bunch of weed, do a bunch of coke and chill, and then boom. They stop your play,

and the person holds... So you're saying he was going there anyways. Yeah. Like, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying he was going to there anyways. No. The mule was going to go meet up with Diddy in the non-extradition state.

No, no, no, no. They were getting on the same. They were getting on the same white. I had heard Cape Verde, but now he's in the Caribbean. He's in the Caribbean. Cape Verde is off the coast of Africa. He's stuck in the Caribbean. Who knows?

Who knows, but. The worst place is to be stuck. Antigua. Yeah. Was where the plane was on that little GPS map. They also said the plane, a Gulf Stream 5, which as you and I understand is no cheap vessel, made multiple stops in California, picking up passengers or dropping people off before making its way east, south, and east.

to the Caribbean. So I mean, it's, wow, this is like some real get out of Dodge type stuff. Yeah, listen. This is the 2024. OJ. Do you see the old video? Yeah, 224 OJ. You see he has, he has old music videos where he's portraying like this. Leaving in a plane. This exact scenario. We got confident. So we got happening. That's weird. It's like the Simpsons. It's like the Simpsons. Yeah. And listen, the sex trafficking, awful, a huge issue. Sean P. Diddy Combs seems like a real scumbag but I had no idea how well he was doing some of these aerial shots of his estates he has a he has nine garbage cans yeah supposedly had nine had a lot of trash

Kyle did you see that he supposedly had a female rapper on on retainer for two hundred thousand dollars a month allegedly allegedly to rap at the house no she wasn't What happened? No. Yes. There's so many layers to this. He's got his music. I see videos of him and Justin Bieber hanging out.

I mean, I see videos of him. When Bieber was a young, young guy in the game, and I think Usher signed Bieber. Usher was the guy who, like, found Bieber, and Diddy had Usher under his wings, so he's like, I'm your granddad, essentially. Like, you know, he's like, that's my son, and you're his son.

Like, I've seen these videos. It's just creepy stuff. Looking back at all the videos of Diddy, you know, the Epstein name is one that we all know, but there's not a lot of videos that I've seen of him like having these interactions. Diddy is so public, a personality that there's a vault, a goldmine of this terrible stuff we can look back on. Dude, what an awful guy, Puff Daddy turned out to be. You know who's probably pretty happy right now is Shine.

Who is that? No, because Shine, didn't he fuck over Shine? He did fuck him older. The reason he went to prison was P. Eddie. Yeah. I bet Shine's sitting there right now. Like, he's in Barbados. I'm wondering, I'm wondering.

A couple islands over. Where Farnworth Bentley is at. You remember that guy? Fonsworth Bentley. He used to follow around. Why don't I know that name? He used the guy that he was like, didn't he have a show from Jen, wait, gens to Jens? I don't know.

Farnworth Bentley. But he was like the dude that his like personal habadasher that like, end up getting his own fucking show and stuff like that. A habadasher? Like, isn't that somebody who picks your hat? That's a great fucking word. What is a haberdasher?

I think so. Like, it's like a guy for like your suits and your cuff links and all the other. Okay, got to go. He's your stylist. Basically. Haberdasher. I bet he put little dick holes all over the place.

I bet they did these are fuffles a lot. Just in case you got to be horny at all hours of the day. I need a, I need a Velcro strap in my pants in case I need a strap this Python down. Yeah, dude. Well, oh, man. You're giving him a little credit, Kyle. My haberdasher makes sure. But you know what's sick about all this? You want to know sick about all this a few years ago? Sex trafficking? You know, did he legally? He legally changed his name to love. Yeah.

Guys twist. I'm so weirded out by the way. I'm super weirded out. So here's the question, guys. What rappers do you trust? Oh, there's a lot. I would trust a lot of rappers. There's a lot of rappers. There's a lot of rappers I trust. Number one. I don't know. I wouldn't say a lot. I would trust a lot of rappers, dude. A lot. It depends on what you mean by truck. Would you trust Scarface? Like Scarface Scarface?

Yeah, from Houston. He's on my list. I would trust currency the hot spitter. Yeah, I would trust currency. He seems super cool. Anybody who takes that good of care of classic cars and keeps them clean on his own, doesn't seem to have a ton of people on a retainer to do the things. Smokes a lot of weed.

Smokes bud. You know, it's probably paranoid like us. Yeah, definitely not into sex trafficking. That would shock me as well as Bunby. I would trust Bunby wholeheartedly. Bunby burgers. I would trust Little Wayne. Little Wayne tried to warn us about Puff Daddy.

I would trust Little Wayne. Yeah. Little Wayne seems like a... Little Wayne told us that he kissed his daddy. Did he? That's just my daddy. Yeah. Oh, Birdman.

Yeah. I would not trust Birdman. I would not trust Birdman. I would trust Kendrick Lamar. I would definitely trust Henry. And I would trust Andre 3000. Like a bomb. Yep.

Okay. I would trust Andre 3000 certainly. I'm going to go, you know, I got to give some love to the lighter complexion guys here, Action Bronson, Albanian descent. Here's the thing. If you're into food. You're dressed like him today. Thank you.

If you're into food, if you're into weed, that's a guy you got to rely on. He was like, not only was he a powerlifter, so if you're a big guy, you can take his word as gospel as it pertains to your overall strength, but his food, his culinary wisdom is just like, man, that guy's so fucking awesome to listen to. But the question is, could he secretly be a sex trap? No shot. I don't think so. I bet he's the Albanian Spider-Man. Like he fights crimes in Albania when he's not here making music. He's fighting sex trafficking there, maybe. I've seen a lot of the fitness he's been engaged in. Beast. You know? I'm going to war with Sir Mix a lot. Okay. I mean,

the guy was forthcoming, told you what he liked, when he liked it, you know? And he kind of was ahead of his time. He was into the big asses before, you know, Kim Kay came out and he made it like thing. Yeah, exactly. No, you're right. He was an innovator as well. He was progressing. For Kim Kay. Kim Kay is, she's the poster. You think Kim Kay was the first one with a big butt?

He came out before and said I'm into it. That's what he's saying. You seen Judge Judy, my man? Judge Judy? She made so much money. She's strapped up since the 60s, son. She's from Greenwich, Connecticut. Pull up Judge Judy.

Dude, she hates so much money. I believe she's. Judge Judy hot. Just, goodness gracious. She is stacked. I think that Judge Judy's got a couple of bowling balls back there. Hey, might have gone into her surgeon and said, give me the judge Judy.

There's a whole, there's a whole Reddit thread. How about Bob? On R slash black people Twitter. And it reads Judge Booty. Judge Booty. Y'all ain't tell me Judge Judy was shaped. Chris, I was sitting there with Jersey Jerry watching Judge Judy for like 45 minutes one day. We were just zoning out.

And then I said, you know what? Judge Judy's kind of hot. He went down to Google search. I hate to tell you, you got fake news. Why? She's not shaped. She's shopped. She's hot.

Somebody's photoshop. No, there's plenty of Judge Judy pictures. I've seen her on her show looking stacked. All right, from sex trafficking to talking about which 60-plus-year-old women are attractive, let's do it. I'm in. The gal from Bull Durham. Oh, yeah, for sure. She was in Sarandon.

It's so hot. We saw her in South by Southwest. Really? She was in. Did I see her? She's 77 years old. She looks fantastic. Look at that Photoshop.

Yeah, like they're just shopping. There's some obvious. I go to Martha Stewart, man. Martha Stewart looks great. Judge Judy, he's 80 something. She's hot, dude. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry if this is a little much for a Thursday before noon or just after that. How old is Jay Lowe? She's only 54. Other rappers that we trust, Wiz Khalifa, when I was in junior college, he was one of the first guys that did the day. He did the Wiz Khalifa Day Today.

And if you remember that, and you were a fan of that style of music, who was on all his mixtapes were coming out, it was so awesome to be able to wake up midweek and be like, oh, this awesome content creator, who's also my favorite rapper and who smokes a ton of weed, is putting out this thing where he shows me what they do from the minute they wake up to the minute they go to bed. He's an innovator.

He was ahead of his time. He was ahead of his time, but I trust Wiskelifa. I met him at Jay Glazer's gym. We did the Norma text next to each other for like an hour and just like shot the shit. he couldn't have been more normal, works his ass off in the gym. And anybody who works hard

in the gym, Chris, I trust a little bit more. I trust Christine Brinkley. She's working hard in the gym. She was the gal who sold exercise equipment? I think you're thinking of Suzanne Summer. Maybe Brinkley sold some exercise equipment. Chuck, Drinkley was the Houty and National.

Debbie Dunning. She comes to my golf tournament. Yeah. What was the golfer? What was the daughter's name at Bushwood Country? Club. She, Reed.

Lacey Underalls. Hot! Lacey Underwere We're talking about 60 plus. Madonna. Hot balls. She's 60 now. Oh, well,

I think she died, actually. Jesus, Reed, dead or alive. She's 39 forever. Oh, Debbie's not over 60 yet. Oh, she's not? No. The one that did Dallas? No.

Chrissy Berkeley was married to, um... That doesn't count them. The one that did Dallas in John here, he's got to be 100, dude. What's Dallas? What's that? I missed that. My bad.

The gal that did Dallas. I mean, that's like old CBA. There was a porno that came out in a decade far, far from here that was called Debbie Does Dallas. Yeah. That's like, she's like the Mike Webster. That wasn't her. She did Dallas a few times. She's like the Mike Webster of the porn industry.

Like now these gals are. Mike Webster. You know, rest in peace. Well, no, but I'm just saying anybody who worked back in the day where the conditions were a little bit tougher, you had to do Dallas. Now it's like, oh, you're waking up and fuck Johnny Sins. You know, it was times were rough. back then, dude. Now you get a surgeon to come in and apply pressure. There's a whole generation

that didn't that old generation is looking at the contracts now. Now they're just pushing P. Yeah, anyways. Another rapper. I got I got Ludacris who is now he works for State Farm. Yeah, that makes you kind of trust for it.

He works for a little bit. He works for State Farm. He also saved the world like, what, 15 times? Yeah, a lot of times. In the Fast and Furious? I love Fast and Furious, bro. You got to trust. Yeah, you got to be able to do. And you know what's great about that? You know, you know that. You know that he got that role because Jarl Rule was originally in that spot.

But once they shot the second Fast and Furious, Jarl Rul was so popular in touring that he didn't take time off. So Jarl rule was at the time more popular than ludicrous. Um, yes. Like for, for a role in a movie and trying to mix it. Yeah. Got to do. And then it just switched. And now is anything.

They're on like movie eight not ten Jesus I haven't seen a single one That's cap no it's not cap that's cap I promise you I've seen this guy loves to say that No no no no no no like you haven't seen not one of them bro not not not not one hard to finish no so you seen some of it no I've seen No I've seen scenes like I like the you see the cookout scene say there you go say that Monica Manage but but that's it so that's funny thing about that I have You know that line. That's Jarl. No, I know.

Ludacris takes that spot. Same actor? No. Same character? Basically that character. That's the most racist thing in the world. D.I. It's a different technical.

Yeah, it's different. Okay. Same kind of kind of. No, I haven't seen. I have not seen that movie. And I'm going to tell you another movie. I'm going to watch, Kyle. Have you ever seen Roadhouse, the original start to finish?

I believe one time. Okay. I've never watched it. Can we watch it? Is that a white movie? I've just watched it. Look, you guys. I mean like it's a white movie.

It's a white movie. He just, he just looked at me. Kevin just looked at me. It's like our boys in the hunt. Not me. It's like our boys in the hood. Hey, you're not invited to the roadhouse. What?

Bradfited? No, you can't come watch Roadhouse. Damn. No, you should, no, come watch Roadhouse. Come watch Roadhouse. The original Roadhouse is one of the best cinema. It's like kids? It's like the movie kids.

Brad Wesley. That one movie kids? Wesley is the best villain character maybe of all time come out what's the plot i like wait wait you guys don't know the plot don't spoil it okay i know the plot okay give it's best saved best save what Patrick suezie is a bouncer new york city okay he gets hired by this guy in midwest missouri he to come and clean up his bar he comes and does that meets a really hot chick and there's like a uh uh bad guy in town and him and patrick swazzy just the bad guy man just the bad guy man Patrick Swayze and a bad guy.

I can't wait to watch the movie. I heard that Connor McGregor was so bad in the new roadhouse, and I heard that his co-degetion has got so out of hand. Yeah, he was just remade. He is so brutally in it right now. I mean, he is. We've seen him. We saw him at the bar.

Yeah. So I'm at the bar. He looked happy. Yeah, you said you could beat him up. No. That was Bo. As soon as Boe seen him. He said it.

I didn't say. Bo was like, Beau said he could beat Connor McGregor. Yes. And I was like, bro, you're tripped. He's like, look, he's like, I didn't think he was this small. I was just like, bro. The thing that Stan's not about Connor.

Bo getting his ass kicked on her. The length of Conner's. Yo, see? Conner's reach. No, for his side. Not a chance. Exactly. In a street fight, I got Bo.

In a street fight, I got Bo. But in the octagon, I got Connor. Connor will throw a chair through a bus. No, I understand, but Bo like. I had a bus of fighters. It's got to be like a metal chair to hurt. It's got to be a heavy metal chair.