Green Light with Chris Long - Vince Wilfork! Tom Brady, Patriots Dynasty, Bill Belichick's Genius & Mike Vrabel!

Episode Date: February 17, 2025

THE NOSE GOD! NFL legend Vince Wilfork stops by Green Light's Airbnb in New Orleans with Kingsford and has a fantastic conversation with Chris Long and Beau Allen. The fellas talk Vince's role in the Patriots Dynasty, his relationship with Bill Belichick, playing with Tom Brady, Mike Vrabel, Richard Seymour and Rodney Harrison, and an infamous fight in college that had Butch Davis exclaiming "Well, did you kick their a**?" An awesome episode with one of the best ever presented by Kingsford. (00:00) - Intro (2:26) - Vince Wilfork on Green Light! (3:26) - Vince's Super Bowl Memories (9:50) - Veteran Teammates (14:45) - Super Bowl XXXIX (19:15) - Bill Belichick (25:20) - Richard Seymour's Dominance (29:50) - Food From Live Fire Republic And Kingsford (40:30) - Tom Brady (55:18) - Randy Moss (59:05) - Junior Seau (1:01:10) - Aaron Hernandez (1:10:30) - National Championship with Miami Hurricanes (1:15:50) - Mike Vrabel Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ Send any Talent Search submissions to: [e-mail] Include any video of your talents, takes and bits as well as a little bit about yourself. Love hearing from the Green Light fans. Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. https://paddleva.com/ Green Light Spotify Music: https://open.spotify.com/user/951jyryv2nu6l4iqz9p81him9?si=17c560d10ff04a9b Spotify Layup Line: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1olmCMKGMEyWwOKaT1Aah3?si=675d445ddb824c42 Green Light Tube YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgxWFAA-wuB7osdiAJyLOcw Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I got to the point in my career where it was like, okay, I was nose tagger, so all of a sudden, okay Vince, I'm moving you to the left end. Huh? Left end, like, I didn't even practice. A lot of space out there, you know what? Yeah, it's a lot of space. But it just showed, it just, it just spoke to me because it was like, he has so much confidence in me because he knew, I knew the ends and outs on the defense.

Yeah. Yeah. And he just had so much confidence in me like, hey, listen, go to left end. And I was like, okay, but in my mind, But in my mind, I'm like, man, I never fucking play. You're swimming. Yeah, you're swimming out. Yeah, so once I got out there, I'm like, oh, man, this is easy.

I got time. I have space. I see everything clear. He can't anchor. I'm like, man, I'm only going to get this double team if this time. You know what I'm like? Oh, man. Like, Bill.

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The fellas chop it up about the Patriots dynasty, Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, and all all the creative ways that he used Vince in that New England defense. The fellows also talk about grilling with Kingsford. They even get some food delivered to him mid-episode. So you misophoniacs, be aware. Might be some lip-smacking and rib-eating. But an absolute wonderful episode, the fellas have a blast.

Enjoy it. All right, a little background here. I'm psyched to have Vince Wilfork, but there's nobody more excited to have Vince Wilfork than Bo Allen. I'm fucking stoked. This is the nose god, right? Yeah, the nose god, yeah. The OG of nos, the house of our generation.

Welcome to this show, Vince. Man, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me, guys. Pretty pumped up. Dude, we're psyched to have you. I think we know a lot of the same people, but we never really spent time. And we enjoy watching your play.

And now, what are you like, 250 now, bro? Man, I'm 2.80. I'm 280. I'm 280, man. You wear it good. Yeah, I'm 280. I played it about 360, true weight. Yeah.

Especially towards the end of the season. So, man, I'm like half the guy I was. Man, it feels good. Does it feel good? Man, it feels good. I never, all my shirts used to be 4X and 3X. You can't shop anywhere. Yeah, like now I can go, now I can go shop anywhere.

Hell yeah. Where we pull up, I can go grab me a 2x and I'm good. Where the skinny guy should. Yeah, skinny guys. Designer show. Yeah, I'm not winning skinny jeans, though. I'm not doing that. Save that for me in Chris.

Yeah, no, that's his thing. But you know a lot about Super Bowl, man. I mean, how many did you win? Two. Two. I won two and I lost two. So I know both sides of it. And losing sucks.

You won this one, man. I just picked up this shirt randomly. Yes, that was my first one, my rookie year, no four. Yeah. We beat Philadelphia down in Jacksonville. And, you know, as a rookie, you win one, because in college, my freshman year, I won a national championship,

the Rose Bowl against Nebraska. So, you know, I win it in the NFL my first year. I'm like, oh, this is easy, man. I'm going to roll these things out, and the next time I win one, it was 10 years later. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. And it's funny, my dad,

dad went and talked to, you know, a Raiders team or something like that. And he was telling me, I was like, what did you tell him? He said, honestly, the biggest lesson I gave him was my second year in the league, we got to the Super Bowl. And I thought it was going to be like that the whole time. But you got to, you got to seize that opportunity when you get it. Because you don't know when it's coming back. You never know. And, you know, being in New England, you know, you guys know, you played there. And, you know, for two decades, it was just like winning after winning and we always dare. You know, we went a division,

and we got the first round by, and it looked easy. You winning, you know, but getting to the big dance, that's for all the marbles. And I always tell people, if I'm getting there, I want to win it because if I don't win it,

I'm just like 31 other teams, no matter how you slice it. Loser. Just had to work on my phone. Exactly. So, losing will suck, man, it suck. But it is one of those things

where as a player, if you get here, you have to enjoy it. You know, you soak it all in, you take it all in. From the time you know you're entering the Super Bowl, from that moment to the ending that Super Bowl, just embrace it. Yeah. And I think in 07, when we went undefeated and we went and we lost, we really never, we never embraced that season at all.

We didn't even embrace that Super Bowl. And I think that was the biggest learning point from that. And the next time we had went, I remember having a conversation with Bill. I said, hey, listen, we have to be able to enjoy the Super Bowl. Yeah. We have to be able to experience it. Let guys be happy and excited about it. I said because 07, we didn't.

Right. And Bill, he heard me. He listened to me. And that Super Bowl, we really embraced it. I mean, it was more relaxed. Our practice was good. It was relaxed. and he allowed us to be in the moment.

We walked away with an L, but that experience, I think that Super Bowl was the most important Super Bowl winning or losing to me, because that team was a solid team. And Bill, as a first time I saw Bill kind of like not the old Bill. Yeah. You know, he was smiling, he was happy, and things went smoothly, things ran smoothly.

So that's what I tell guys, man, if you get there, just enjoy the moment and be excited about it because not a lot of people get here. You know, you have a lot of guys play for a long years and never get a chance. It goes by. Oh, yeah. Before you know it, you'd be.

I barely remember any of any of, I mean. There's just so much going on. Like, how do you, when you say enjoy the Super Bowl, like, what do you mean? Because there's so many distractions. There's media obligations. You're in a new city. There's a tick line in. Well, yeah, what do you do exactly? Like, what do you mean? So my thing is, is

we used to be so uptight. You can't do this. You can't do that. Don't go here. Don't go there. And you have your family with you. Yeah. So now all of a sudden your family here, you can't spend any time at the Super Bowl with

your family. You can't take the pictures. You can't go visit some of these little places and stuff like that there. So when I say embrace it, I mean, take it all in because those are memorable moments. When you look back 10, 15, 20 years and you can show pictures and, you know, if you have kids, your kids was just born or a couple of years old and all of a sudden day, teenagers, you teenagers now, they look back at them like, oh, I remember what we did this. I remember how it make you feel and your family.

So your family don't play. You know, your family. So I wanted to be able to have my family experience something just as much as I experienced. So they have an experience like, okay, I know what Super Bowl is all the life. And that's what I mean by experiencing just being able to involve your family in a lot of things that goes on and just being in the moment and understanding and soaking it all in. and being at the stadium and doing this and doing that. That's what I mean by embracing it.

What I wanted to ask you, one of the things I was most interested in, by the time I was in the Super Bowl, you know, the world was so small. Cell phones, camera phones, you know, curfews, you know, the whole thing. And, you know, you're there to play football, but there are some younger guys on the team and you were younger when you went to your first one. But you were also a captain when you went to the ones later. Right. And I kind of wonder back in the day, not to back.

in the day you. But like was it different where guys could get out and kind of enjoy the city a little bit more and how incumbent upon you was it as a captain to kind of police what guys were doing after hours? Yeah. I mean, yes. It's like you have to play big brother, you have to play daddy, you have to play coach. And it was just making sure everybody was on the staying page and never forget while we're here. Yeah. Enjoy it and experience it, but no miscarfews. Be a man at night, one in the morning. So if you go out, you have a few drinks and everything. Be ready to the road tomorrow. And that was my thing. And my teammates respect to me enough where I'm not, I'm not going to talk to you like a child. I'm a hinder you like an adult. As a professional,

you're a leader to, you know, you guys, hey, this is what we need to be here for. Have fun. I'm not saying that. But when you come back in the building tomorrow, be ready to work. And it was just all of respect and being a professional. And I think, God, is related to that more than me being a drill sergeant, like a coach all the time. Yeah. You know, just talk to people like we're adults, we're professions. You're not in college anymore.

I'm not going to hold your hand. I know you have a family. I know you married. I know you have kids. Enjoy it. But when you step back in here, when we have to work, we work. Yeah. And we had no problems like that.

And even when I was a rookie, you know, I used to hang out with old guys, old heads. So I couldn't get in no trouble. Yeah. Because I was always gravitated towards the older heads. And I remember Keith Trellum. That was the guy because, you know, you get cars, you know. And he was one of the guys that he was in Nosecacker.

He came there with my rookie year, so we both learned Nosecacca at the same time. But everything that I did, I did with him. Yeah. And he took me up under his wing and we rode around. You know, we stopped. We had a few drinks. We had a good time that that was like my mentor as in the professional. And that's what I tell guys, get like a little buddy system, man.

Follow these veterans who've been around, understand how they handle the stuff. And we never had a problem. See, that to me is one of the biggest things the NFL is missing now. Not that there aren't vets, but with the CBA, the way it went, the older guys are gone. You know, in numbers the way they used to be. I can remember when I was a rookie. I had James Hall, Leonard Little, you know, Fred Robbins, my second year. Yes.

Leroy Glover. You want to talk about it? Yeah. Yeah. He was out there in a Gucci belt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He had a Copenhagen, and he was swimming people and whipping them. All right in the mall.

Yeah, yeah, no, no. But, I mean, it was great having older guys like that. And I feel like today I feel not sorry for the younger guys, but not having that vet experience. Yeah, and I agree with you because it's nothing like, when I got to New England, you have to understand, I had Mike Frabo. I had William McGuin's. I had Rodney Harrison, you know, Corey Dillon. And I had those type of guys that, you know, Teddy Bruce. Yeah.

I had those guys. So it's like, show me how to be a professional. Yeah. You know? And they talked to me. They never treated me like a rookie. Yeah. And that's one thing I always love because even at UM, we didn't do that.

Like, once you hear you're brotherhood. We need to treat you like the same. And that's exactly what happened with those guys. And if I effed up, they'll tell me. Yeah. You know, they'll tell me right away. But I agree. with you in this day and age, it's like it's less of those type guys that have been around the game

for 13, 14, 15 years in a locker room or 10 years in a locker room. It's less of that. A lot of guys can. And if you have that, it's like they never won anything. They're coming from crappy teens. They don't know what it takes to win. Like so, but with us, we had a lot of guys with a lot of experience that won some football that got a name for themselves. very well respected so it's easy for me to follow that guy because he did it yeah you know he did it so i agree 110 percent that that that is what's lacking and eventually they can get back so they can start experience and understanding like this is a business yeah you have to be a professional you know you're not going to class anymore and the coach ain't going to tell you did you hey do you do

schoolwork today no we're not going to tell you what to do you doing your off time. You have to understand and learn how to be a professional and do it at a high level. Yeah. If you can't do that, you will be replaced. Simple as that. And if we can get back to there where guys start understanding that, we'll have less trouble. We'll have less problem in the lead. The guys can stay protected. They can just understand. But now with all the social media and all that stuff, I just feel it's more, football is second nature. It's like second to playing the game. They also have a lot more challenges.

You know, yeah, they have a lot of distractions. That phone, that social, it's a big distraction. And that's one of the biggest problems. Isn't it? Yes. Have you thought about getting a flip phone?

Because I have. Man, look, I want to throw my iPhone away. Bro, me too. I hate it. I have a pond in the back of my house, and I stare at it every day. Like, that motherfucker is going to the pond. I want to get rid of.

Get me the old flip. You know? I don't want to see anything. Like, yeah. And that's the biggest difference from, you know, when we came in, when we played, and now because there's so many more

technology and technology savvy and guys want to take pictures, we want to have, you know, other things. Yeah, like taking pictures of themselves. I'm like, look, man, look. We're here to play football. And that wouldn't have to flow. No, we're not doing that. But I was in New England, they had a rule, and you too,

no taking pictures in the facility. Never. No. I remember we had a rookie come in, took a picture in front of the Gillette sign, and they had them in the office the next day. Just that quick, you know, and But that's why we were so successful Because we put football first A lot of these teams don't put football first

They're so lenient because of social media now And they let guys do that man I feel like with the Super Bowl like We're here doing all these media events this week We're fucking we have a podcast Chris But it's like you forget there's a game The biggest game of this season And if you're a player you better not

I wonder I wonder The Super Bowl on his shirt That's the one that interests me Because this week at Inside the NFL Actually last week Bill rolled a video of his pregame speech the night before y'all played Philly and I don't know if you remember this but Philly had not leaked they put it in the papers this is going to be our parade route. Do you remember that mean? No, I know.

And you know it's so funny? Bill asked this week. He's like, what do you guys remember about Super Bowl week? I got coach, I don't even remember what the fuck you said. I don't. It's just a blur. Yeah, I don't. But the video was crazy because he sat there and read.

Philly's parade route to you guys the night before the game. And he's like, and then we're going to be going down Broad Street, and they're going to have a flyover if you're into that. Of course, and Bill's sarcastic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I kind of wonder what was the dynamic going into that Super Bowl? Because at this point, you guys weren't a dynasty yet. No.

No. You know, that was my rookie year. So all I remember was McNabb and Tio. Tio was hurt. We didn't know if he was going to play at night, but Bill was like, look, the fucking guy is playing. Don't just tell me. Yeah. Were you all surprised? Yeah, no, we weren't not surprised. Like Bill, like, hey, this guy's

playing. So we prepare as if he was playing. And our philosophy was like, listen, he's going to get this. Like, that's just what it is. We're going to stop everything else. We're going to disrupt the pocket. We're going to slow the running game down. Tio going to get his balls and his

past it. But he said, if we just do these things, we would be okay. That's what it was. And he was right. Tio, he had a big game. Yeah. Because I remember we had, you know, I forget, he was a rookie that came in with me starting and safe at that game and he was getting torched. And then we had blue, we called him blue, Randall Gay.

He was our slot. So they'll put C-O in the slop against a rookie. They game playing him really, really well. And it is what it was. But Bill Big Thing was up front, we have to win the game. That was up front. And our guys up front, they, you know, Richard Seymour and V. Brable McGuinness, them guys, Ty war, myself, Pete Trellarla, we ate.

But when he got the third down, like, we, we come off the field. Now, you know, see more than those out. They, they, they get in there, you know. I feel you did. Believe it. You know, so. We had a lot of high fives. Right, right.

Good time, good job. See you on first time. Right, right. Thank you guys back out of here when they get the first down. But they were, but, you know, that was our philosophy. Like, we're going to beat them up front, and that's how we're going to establish, and we're going to win this game up front. So, and we're going to start.

stuck to the game plan. Hell yeah. We stuck to the game plan. Do you remember McNabb Pukin? Yeah. In real time? You remember that whole thing? Yes.

What were y'all saying? We was like, what? Yeah, because the car was going. They had to, he was going and I'm like, what the, he's doing? Like, that's weird. Guys on the field, they just locked in. And I remember, you know, I did line and all those guys. He was like, we knew we had him then.

Yeah. We knew he's like, when we saw that, we knew we just going to pour it on out. Oh, yeah. And he just couldn't, he couldn't, he couldn't, he couldn't, rebound back. He was just, it was just so much pressure. It was just so much to overcome.

You think it was Jacksonville, or do you think it was? I don't know what it was, but it wasn't good. It wasn't good. At that point of time, it wasn't good, you know? So we always found the way,

and you guys can contest to this, we always found the way in the critical moments to pull away. Yeah. And all that stuff is a credit to build having us

prepare for those moments. You know, it's like, hey, it's going to come down to a play or two, you know. And I remember Bill always told us. He's like, listen, when you're in the Super Bowl, there won't be a lot of mistakes made, you know, because these two teams that got here,

they earned the right to geek. That's it, isn't it? Right, because people talk a lot about Kansas City. Kansas City, they're spectacular in the way they do little things. The little things. You know what I mean? And it's all those little moments in the game

that you might not know is a big moment, but it's a fucking big moment. It's a huge moment. Right? And it's all three phases. And they're going to let you make the mistakes. Yeah. And they capitalize on your,

mistakes and I lost two Super Bowls on not capitalizing no mistakes. Right. I lost two of them and, you know, my, and it's just, it just goes to show you, when you do have an opportunity to capitalize, you have to in that moment, you have to because the team is just too good. Yeah. You know, you can't say, oh, we'll get it. No, you won't.

You won't get that position back. You won't get that play back. And I think Bill always done a great job of preparing us for that, and that's why we want a lot of ball games. There's nobody like him on details. Yeah. I mean, it's hard breaking a game down with him at inside. Like I'm like,

I definitely think he's looking at me like you didn't even fucking realize what the real thing was. But he makes it simple too. That's one thing I appreciate about Bill is like I was on IR and New England. I always want to play in that scheme. And so I'm on IR. All I'm going to do, I was like, I'm just going to listen and soak up this scheme.

And that's the thing is like he's forgotten more football than, you know, 99% of the entire world. That's all the little details. still learning from him. And I've been out of the game for five, six years. This was such a great opportunity to, like, we were talking off camera. Yeah. Yeah.

Us haven't played for him, all of us. It's a totally different deal. Yeah. Seeing him kind of like make the sausage, you know what I mean? Kind of talk about the scheme and, you know, as a players, we would get the game plan. Mm-hmm. But I'm watching him make the game playing. Yeah.

But it's different every week, too. Yeah. It's such an evolving defense. Dude, I would tell you, one of my, one of my biggest. get shocker in the NFL when I was a rookie. I remember this very, very, I mean, first game in the season, we played Indy. And I remember going into Indy, our defensive coordinator, Romeo Cornell, he said the next six week, we will have different defense.

The next six weeks, we're going to throw this out, we're going to bring in something totally new for the first six weeks. And I'm like, hey, damn, that's pretty game. Like man, you know, it's like, so every week it was just a different defense, different defense, different defense, different defense. So as I got older, I understood, you know, like what we were doing because now teens can't really, they don't know what we're going to do and how we're going to, how they're going to match up with us and stuff like that there. And I just learned that as a young age, but that would just go to show me the brilliant mind of Bill and Rack back then understanding like, hey, okay, we're going to take care of this game. I'm letting you know right now these next six weeks, these first six games, it's going to be something totally different.

No question. And it was. I mean, it was. And we just rolled that stuff left and right. I mean, it's like every week team. And we can tell teams coming in, they don't know how to adjust. Even during the course of a game. Yes.

Like, side on. Yeah. Man, me and Bill the drew up plays, I can't tell you how many times on the side. Yeah. Like, I just can't tell you. It's like, Vince, you know, what do you got? I'll come to the sideline. I'm telling them, okay, it's either holding up or it's not, Bill,

or they're doing this. And be like, okay, well, this is how we're going to do it. But, about you just tell such and such, such, such as this, knowing this play, we're going to do this like this. I said, okay, no problem. Dude, we stole so many plays just that. Do you know how nice it is that the head coach, walk over to the D-line and be able to adjust something,

whether it's a game? Yeah, but once he see, he can trust you and you understand the game, he'll give you that luxury. And I think Bill, once he saw and learned that I was a student in the game as well, it was more he can do with me. Yeah. You know, and it was more, he's like, okay, Vince, well, we're going to move you here. Put such and such, such here because this is what they're doing, and we want them to do this.

So wherever you move, they're going to run away. So we got there. Dude, we did that as countless times. Yeah. I mean, I mean, counts of times. And it just goes to show you just how good Bill is. He's like, hey, listen, I don't need to involve. all 11.

Yeah. You two. You're on the same page. You do this and you'll be refined. It also goes to show, and me and Bo have talked about this, but like people say the Patriot way, they think the team's doing the same thing every day. You just said it.

I was always so impressed with the way they were able to be somebody different every week. You know, and that's what makes it hard playing there, right? One week you're in a three, one week you're in a four, one week I'm in a nine. Right, right. You move around. And more so in a three than a nine. unfortunately.

Exactly. And it was like, I got to the point in my career where it was like, okay, I was no sagas, so all of a sudden, okay, Vince, I'm moving you to the left end. Huh? Left end. Like, I didn't even practice.

A lot of space out there. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's a lot of space. But it just showed, it just, it just spoke to me because it was like, he has so much confidence in me because he knew I knew the ends and outs on the defense. Yeah.

And he just had so much confidence in me, like, hey, listen, go look, left him. And I was like, okay. But in my mind, I'm like, am I never fucking played me. You're swimming. Yeah, you're swimming out there. Yeah. So once I got out there, I'm like, oh man, this is easy. I got time. I have space. I see everything clear. He can't anchor. I'm like, man, I'm only going to get this double team. You know what I'm like? Oh, man. Like, them. Thank you, you know. And from there, that's when he started mixing this and stuff. Okay, you're going to go here.

We're going to play this. We're going to run this, Stephen. You're going to be here. On this down, you're going to do it. If they shift, you got to jump. Man, I've done so much stuff as a nose tackle from flopping, from my right dean to the left end, from I'm lined up a left end. They got the Y, why are we here, and then they jump up and shift where I got to jump up and shift with him.

You've had to switch sides of formation with the Y shifts. Yes. Like, I meant against Baltimore. We got to find that. It was against Baltimore. It was against Baltimore. Like, man, I would. And then what Baltimore, what people started.

they're doing was okay they'll do that chef put me there in their emotion yeah and i'm stuck you know me so now bill say okay well they're going to do that we're going to rip you you want to stunt you we're going to do this play they did so bill always had a counter to anything that they had yeah and that was the luxury of the players he had between myself Taiwan uh richard seymour jarvis green like he knew he can do certain stuff with us that you know an average player he couldn't do because he just knew the type of ballplay as we would. I want to talk about Richard Seymour for a second.

I feel like, I mean... Who doesn't love him? He has to be the most complete delimement in the history of the NFL. Pretty unbelievable. What made him so great, man? His size, first of all. Yeah.

See played when he wanted to play. That's what it is. See, C would say, I'm going to go out here and I'm going to beat his head in. That's what he was at. He comes to the silent. Just all of a sudden.

I'm going to go beat his head in record. I'm gonna hit him with this move, and I'm just gonna beat his head in. Okay. What's he do? He'll go beat his head in, and he'll jog off the field. He'll jog off the field like I told you, you know?

But that's what made him so good because his size, he was six, five, and three hundred and 15 pounds, and, you know, he was just so long. I don't know if there's such thing as a tall six five, but that motherfucker is a tall six five. That dude, and he was long. And then now you move.

down in the wide three, it's like, man, it was trouble. So that's what made him so good because of his length, his size, and so many things you can do with him. When he was a rookie, he played nose sack, but when I got there, he was like, I'm never going to know my satch. You know, I want that smoke. No, he was like, no, just keep me clean, big fellow. Keep me clean, big fella.

You do all of that. Just keep me clean. I'm there's three and four. That's so funny. And you know he's so country, he talked like that. And then me and Ty will be looking at him like, man, you tripping, like, whatever. So me and Ty was the dirtier where people are there. Bill throw us in there to go take up the triple teams and double teams, but we're going to leave sea free.

Hell yeah. We're going to keep him to the open side. Yeah. Only thing he's going to get as a fan and he got a one-on-one, you know what I mean? And then he'll line up on one side and they break the huddle. He won't like it. Hey, hey, big, big, switch with me, dude, fellow. Yeah, a little politics.

You know, like, hey, switch with me, man. I'll never forget me and Brandon Graham got in a fight over who had to rush over Tyron Smith. And, bro, they were about to snap the ball and we're both lined up at Lump. Down in Dallas. I'm like, hey, you know what? I'm sprinting over there, like, I'm in jet motion. Trying to make the snap. It was like a game of chicken I lost.

But did he ever buy you dinner or something? Because I feel like he should have bought you dinner. Man, look at you. Like, name his kid after you or something. Man, look at it. See, like, look you bit, fella, you're good. You know, this is what we're going to do with. You'll be all right.

You'll be all right. Because, you know, I was the youngest, you know? I'm like, okay, well, you want me to go here? Okay. And we go under the sign line and I'll get cursed out. What the hell you doing, Vince, whatever? And see her here just sit there and won't say nothing. And I'm like, son of you just let him just jump on.

Hey, when a guy's good, guys good. You know, I said, I'm like, let the beat. It's really hard to argue with him. I mean, Yetty was great. I got a Yeti bag. We had so many damn Yeti bags. We had, look at these, these, uh, Yeti green light. What do they call these?

That's a water bottle. We got tumblers. Tumblr. That's the thing I'm always, lasks. Yeah. Just, Yeti is one of my favorite products, period, because like I'm on the river all the time. And yeah, that stuff is kind of a gold standard as far as keeping your stuff dry or

keeping your stuff cold or, um, yeah, I'm always using Yeti. So it's kind of a full circle moment to think that like, hey, at work, we're getting yety hookups. but the backpacks, the duffel bags, this summer's kayak trips are going to be better than ever. We got coolers, drinks will be cold. So join us with Yeti and get the gear that performs the best when it matters most. And the Airbnb was incredible, guys. I mean, it was just like we walked in and, you know, Buffalo was great, but this was even better, Matt.

We were all blown away, convenient location. It is the best Super Bowl City. I can't wait for next year in San Francisco after this one. If we're doing stuff with Airbnb, I know they're going to hook it up. If you're thinking about going on a trip somewhere, not only should you stay in an Airbnb, but you should consider becoming an Airbnb host, that's another thing. You know, I always joke about, you know, leaving town on a business trip like this and listing my house as an Airbnb and not telling my wife and the people just show up and that

sort of thing. But I'm kind of serious because you can make real money listing your house. Even your real estate can't help you with that. Only Airbnb can help you. head to airbb.com slash host to find all the details. And we, hey, and we got some grub, man. Uh-oh. We got some grub in here.

Yes, sir. What we got here. Thank you so much. We've been throwing down all day out here. We actually have, we have a party rib out here. Okay. Oh, my God. It's a hot sauce.

Okay. So, urban barrel aged. Jeez. Mm. Goodness gracious. That oak wood. Super good. And then we have a stella.

style with swlafer you guys. Okay, okay. That's a rib. This is finger. It's all right. I can really get it. What are you grabbing a dango fork for, man? Just get in there.

Let me see what you work. Big man, pod. Golly, ma'am. So it's money about these ribs, by the way. I don't know what you guys know all about ribs, but you could smoke ribs all day. These grilled ribs are actually amazing. You put a really nice bit of caramelization on them.

Elevate that inside. And then we just bring that sauce back over the hot over the fire over and over and just kind of keep glaring. This is ridiculous. And for the people on camera, it's Dave and Casey. Superstars, they're hanging out with us all weekend. And Vince is here with Kingsford. How'd you get hooked up with Kingsford?

You know, I did a, when I was, when I told my Achilles, I had, I was so bored. And I said, what can I do? Because Achilles, it's nothing really you can do. You got to sit for three months. and you can feel good, but they say, don't test it and all that. And I was feeling good, so I'll say,

I need a hobby. So I ended up welding for the first time. No way. For the first time. Really? Went and bought the kid in my garage welding. So I built this smoker. Right?

No, it was terrible. You know, DIY. It was terrible now, man. You could just, you can look and see, okay, when I started realizing what I was doing, it just, the well looked different. But at the beginning, I had holes at the bottom, and it was just a mess.

So I built it, and I said, you know what? I'm ready to cook on it. So boom, I put it together, and I put my music on. You made your own grill? I made my own grill. That's crazy. My own smoker. I made my, this is how Kingsworth came alive with me.

And from that grill, with me playing the music, and I was bent, though, checking my ribs and I was dancing. And I was dancing to want to be a ball up. Shot call up, Queens, right? So boom, I'm jooking, I'm jooking. I didn't know I was being filmed, so all of a sudden, boom, is out.

And the craziest thing is when I went to Houston, the song I was playing, he's a Houston guy, right? And Keynes forgot the contact, say, hey, listen, we like the video, we want you to be a part of the team. Can we do some collaboration? with you on something. I said, absolutely, you know. And that's how our relationship started, all because of me welding the grill. That was a crappy grill. But hey, I was proud of it. And Kingsford seeing that and getting in contact. I mean, help this guy out. Yeah. He was like,

hey, they're going to do this. And that's how that relationship was born. And it was being beautiful since then. You know, we've done a lot of stuff. And like I tell people all the time, and, and, growing up, you know, growing up, it's like when you go in the park or you in the backyard, let's use the park. You go to the park and you know you have those grills that don't move them, big hippie grills, right? But you smell the aroma of Kingsford, right? I was smelling it all day. Right, you can smell it, right?

So it automatically takes me back when I was a kid. Because I've been, that's how long I've been dealing with Kingsford. Like, it's been in my family. My father was a big-time grill guy, and it was always Kingsford. always kings. So one thing that I love about it is it brings me to my childhood to be connected with something that is near and dear to my heart before I even knew what it was. My father had already had the kings were going and everything.

But the one thing about it is I tell people from the aroma, from smell, from taste, you name it. I don't care if you are a professional, you're a newbie, you're the neighborhood, chef. When it comes to charcoal, there's no better brand than Kingsford original. There are the champions of charcoal. And it brings me almost to tears just because of the history before I started with Kingsford, what Kingsford meant to me and my family. The reason I love to cook and barbecue was because my father had a young age, that's all we did.

and I can picture the bag, Kingford bags sitting there, and this is Little Vince. You know, this is baby Vince, and that's why it's so sweet to me because it's been in my family since I can know. So I wish my father was a lot of the day so we can be sitting here talking about it

because it's pretty cool to be able to be in parted up with them doing something that I really truly love to do. And one thing about it is it brings people together, you know, cooking brains people together. Football and food, you can't go wrong there. So it's a match made in heaven for me to be linked up with Kingsford. And it's been so sweet.

I don't even need the football. I'll do the food. I'm a fool guy. So football, it's okay. I played that. But now I'm a, I love the cook. And this is our go-to. Isn't it cool the way the places the game takes us?

Yeah. And, man, like, it's amazing. And that's what it's all about, bringing everybody together. and you throw in football. Can't go wrong. There's some brand partnerships that I'm like, ah, but this one makes a lot of damn sad.

Oh, this is amazing. Trust me, like it. This is amazing. You get free ribs that are just made in fronters. Yeah, yeah, like, man, look, yeah. And this is good. We might not be playing football, but we need the fuel for this week.

Oh, yeah. I'm about to be three-six-s. I'll always you need to be. And this right here came right on time. Oh, yeah. Man, let me tell you something. I'm in my wheelhouse now. Now you're talking to it.

By the way, you get out there. You have to go to work. Hey, that's cool, man. Look here. I'm going to make an announcement right now. I have a hotel room about 10 minutes away. I'm not going to fucking see that. You're right?

I might be like, hey, baby, I'll see you tomorrow. I'm not doing nothing but sitting over here with the guys drinking me eating. This is heaven, man. We got a great setup, and this certainly completes the whole thing. So appreciate you guys. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you.

We can take those if you guys want. We have plenty more. Yeah, yeah. My dumb ass didn't even know they were ribs at first. I started cutting them. Don't worry. I'm going to attack everything outside. I'm on camera.

I'm trying to still be neat and all that. But trust me, when I get out there, it's on and popping. There's debris here now. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Thank you. Hey, that was really fun. No.

That's good. Yeah, and got like a little bite. Right now, it's like I got a little bite at the end. I don't know what that bite is. It might be a little pepper or a little. Man, that's really good. But that appetite. You can chef some shit up like this?

Yeah, yeah. Get on the grill? I get down. I get down. When you get down? I get down. So what's the most people you ever grilled for you think? It's a lot of pressure.

I feel like more in the pressure when I have to grill than when I feel. I like to eat the food. Like over 100. Like I have no. Because you have to understand. Just my house along, you know. It's six of us. The way I cook, I cook for 20.

20 people. Yeah, you're over doing it anyways. Yeah, I'll take an aqua. So I'm used to cooking big meals, long time. I'm used to being up 24 hours cooking. I'm used to all of that. I get excited. Have you buried a pig?

Have you buried a pig before? I've done that. Give me a tip because I'm supposed to do it coming up. Really? How deep are you going? I don't know. I'm asking you. Okay.

You're the fucking king for you. It's the whole big. You don't got to go too deep, honestly. So like just two, three feet down there? I would say at least get about five feet. Five feet? Get enough five feet. Make sure you have your banana leaves, though.

Banana leaves. Banana leaves, full, taco, then come back again, banana leaves for it. So you just layer it, just layer it and just layer it. Yeah. And you just let it go and baby. And if you think you have enough season, overseas. Overseasian. Yeah, overseesing the port because it will lose some throughout the time and the motion and stuff.

So overseen it. And it's really easy. How long a process are we called? Man, a whole pig. Like 12 hours or something? Probably longer than that. Like 18? Depending on how big the...

So it sounds the perfect thing because I can be like, hey, babe, I got to go outside for 18 hours. Oh, yeah. You'll be there. You'll be there before. I got the pig depends on it. Yeah, man. Just double check. Hold it down.

Just hold it down. But once you got an inning and you're going and you keep feeding the colds on top, you're good. Like, it's pretty cool, man, just to understand. different cultures, how they cook, like, because in Hawaii, that's what they do, they build. Yeah. And they cook, they down 18, like, they did. Hell yeah. A little small hole, and they're deep,

but they just layer, layer, layer, layer, layer. Now, that take a lot longer and stuff like that, but. Did you ever do a Kava hour with any of your teammates? Mm-mm. I love that. A Kava, yeah. Kava Thursdays, they're in OTAs. You know how like- Oh, you're talking about a drink?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the thing. Yeah. Yeah. We'd finished the training camp practice and Humanahu Inui, who actually played for New England for a minute, tied down from Illinois.

He'd have a whole Gatorade bucket. Yep, I play with him. You play with Huma? Yep, I play with Hool-Man. Who, man? So they have, if you don't want to go on the ground, they have these boxes that you can buy for whole pigs, and you can do anything with it,

but specifically for whole pigs. Right. And you put that juggle in there, and you put the top on it, and the top is like aluminum or whatever, and that's where you're cold. on top of it's like roasting that's easy you don't have to worry about the banana leaves and all that now you could still wrap it in it if you want it but like man because you could take it on and off and

throw most season and whatever i'm trying to go all out yeah you have a barbecue i'm coming down it's for my 40th maybe you come out so you got to 40 yeah i do it yeah wow yeah 40 he's coming up you don't think of me like that dude yeah you're youthful i'm youthful Youthful. All right, speaking of youthful, what was youthful Tom Brady like? Do you ever see young, drunk, Tom Brady? Let me see, hold on. I've seen, yes, yes, yes, I did.

And it was early on in my career, but it was, Tom was always private. Like, tongue won't hang around certain people and stuff. But I think I've got, I've seen him because we've done a derby. I've been there with him out of there. So I get a chance to see a different side of me. But he's so, one thing people had asked me about him, and I used to say like, man, I'll talk to everybody on the team.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's just like every corner of the locker room. I can remember when I came in, he came up and introduced himself to me like, hi, I'm Tom. Like, welcome. He's that type of person. I'm like, I know you're Tom.

Yeah, he never, he never acts like. Where's the training room? You know what? He never act like one of those bougie quarterbacks. Yeah, that's what made him. He's a great team. Yeah. And I would see Tom.

You know, rookies coming in, and they would have a jersey. And Tom would sit there and sign. He would never tell nobody no. He don't care who you are. He don't care how long you've been in the league. It doesn't matter. He would sit and he was signed for you and just, and I'm like, you know what?

That's a lot of kudos go to him because, you know, quarterback has a stigmatism to him where they eight holes. Yeah. But Tom, Popper, one of the greatest teammates I've had. Dude, for who he was by the time I was in New England, and he's already, like, put him in the Hall of Fame right away. Like, I was talking to, like, a living legend, and he never acted too big for people.

Never. And he was the guy. You know, like, how guys are just hang out in the locker room until, like, the last one. Yeah. He'd be sitting in there in his nice bathrobe. Right. With his legs crossed. Yeah.

No, with his head crossed. Just hanging out in his locker. Just hanging out, probably going to be in the building another three hours afterwards. But what was it about him? Because, you know, like, obviously he was talented. but he wasn't the most talented guy. Like, do you think it was all between the ears? Yes.

100%. You know? It's 100%. He's not athletic. We're not saying, oh, Tonga run. No, Tonga throw a football. And he's very smart. He knows where the ball needs to be.

You know how it needs to be there. He know how he need to get it there. And I just, his work at him. That's the thing I've always took away from him is, Tom worked. Tom, Tom, worked like he was, somebody just comes to his job every, a year.

Paranoia. I mean, he just would work, just with work, just with work. And he was so freaking competitive. Like, I remember one day we out there in camp and he bedded it. I think it might have been him and Vrable or him and Rodney, one of those two. And they bet on two minutes. And you know how Bill is, it's a situation. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, right?

So we get to two minutes. Offense loses, right? So Tom, pissed. So Vrabel and Rodney, they church. and Aback and forth. So Tom was like, let's go again. Now, they're betting money now. Yeah.

So go again. So Bill let him go again. Now, this is just, and everybody else. No game plan. Everybody else was like, we gotta go again too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were pumped though. It was two minutes.

Vince was on the side. I was on the side. I was like, I'm cool. Don't tap your head. Ah, you're straight. You're straight. Yeah, yeah, you're like, hey, give me some good degree. And they went in it again.

All right, offensive defense, the ones versus ones. Tom loses again. Run it back. So, dude, they did like four times. And Bill just sitting over there. You know how he's, he'll twist this little,

the Wilson and just laughing and smiling. Because now Bill's hands off, he's like, listen here, we got done what we need to get done. We got out to get done. We got out of two minutes. So this is you, you know? And they just went again and Tom lost again

and Bill finally shut it down. Tom was, he would have gone till midnight. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He didn't through his helmet. I mean, he was pissed. And, man, I could just, I just picture her right.

Rodney and Brable, they just chirpered at it, and Tom's so pissed off. But as a team to see that, and you just think about how Bill felt. Yeah. Bill was like, man, I don't have to do anything. My boys have grown up. Yeah. Like, man, they're competitive. I don't have to work.

Like, Bill was like a proud poplar, you know what I mean? But that's the type of excitement in what Tom brought to us. He brung it out of us. and we brought it out of him. Yeah. You know, and even with Vrable, it's like, Brable will go on the scout team. Yeah.

He would be Edwede, he would be Ray Lewis, whoever met, he would be that guy, and he would just go out there and test shit up. And Tom, him and Tom go back and forth, gushing each other out. And Tom would be like, oh, he's not going to play that like that, and Braver was like, yes, the F he will. I can't, I would show you in the meeting, woo,

and then it's like two big, two brothers, when it's over, they in the corner of the end zone, to her going over everything. Like, they back here. So Tom, like, now, Tim, what happened to have? I was saying? So it was just, it was as a player to see your leaders. Yeah.

Do all of that, be competitive, what it means to them to win. Yeah. It was easy for us to fall in line and follow that. But most teams are trying to get off the field, get back to the locker room. Man, we didn't care. The year you guys went, damn near undefeated, was there dissension in that last game

between the guys like on should we play guys or should we be trying to know because I really funny thing is so our last game of the regular season was against the Giants and before that we had just played Miami and we beat Miami and we went in it was around Christmas time so we went in the next week we kept the same game player so Bill gave us time you know for you know Christmas and all that stuff with the family so we kept the same game playing from the week before previous four so we go to New York and, you know, we play like we played, but we pull it out. Mm-hmm.

So now we're in the Super Bowl. We like, oh, shit, we didn't need a game plan for them, and we'd be like, man, look, we bought to, you know, so we like, man, we footer. And, man, you know what happened, you know. And I can honestly tell you, we didn't enjoy that Super Bowl. Right. That we could, we didn't, you know, because don't forget, just coming off a spot gate. Yeah.

That previous season, we just come, because we didn't. know we was going to have Bill as I head coach. So we had a lot of distraction of season. So now that was the hardest year of my career. We was in pass every week. Every week. I'm talking every, I remember going to captain's meeting and me like, hey, look, Bill, we need a break, man. It's December.

These pads. And he was like, I think about it. So it was like, okay, going in the locker room, getting ready from, you know, about to get ready for practice. Bill's come, Bill come in and he came to me. He said, come over here with me. So he took me to the equipment room. And they had a sheep. He had, this is Bill.

They had a sheep of, how many times we was in the bag? Okay. And then he went to go get Jim with his sheep. What was our injuries? We was the most healthiest team in the league. when we didn't pass. Man, that's a tough argument to win, right? So I'm like, God damn it.

And you know what? I feel like it still holds like it still does. Yeah. Like there's a fine line. It still does. Like, I feel like Detroit might have went too hard this year. Like with all the injuries they had. Like, maybe that's a sign of that.

But then there's some teams that practice really hard and they don't lose anything. Yeah, I do. So you build a callus. Yeah. When he said, when he showed me that, I'm like, I can't, you know. It's hard to argue with that. I can't even say anything. And dude, we didn't miss a week.

Yeah. Well, you were winning, too. Yeah, we were winning. That cures all the ones. Oh, seven, we never once enjoy it. Like, our role. Like, we never, even when we went to the super, that was the worst, that was the worst,

our worst practices of the year was Super Bowl week. Yeah. It was bad. I mean, we, Tom can throw a ball. I never seen random ball drop a ball hit his hands. I never seen Kevin Fault dropping balls hit his hand. Dropping balls. Defensive, we couldn't cut.

Just a bad vibe. It was just terrible. The best thing happened to us in 07 was at the Super Bowl on Wednesday. We met Jim Brown. Jim Brown. Oh, you felt like, yeah. Fucking love shit. That was the best thing to happen to us.

Yeah. And that day we had an okay practice. But it was like, if we knew games were going to go to the way we prayed, we knew we was walking in the team. You're walking in a hill. Jim Brown's story, we played Cleveland, beat the shit out of him in 16. And Bill, we pull out of the stadium. And he's like, pull the boss over.

And we all get out, like, me, Jamie Collins. Right. It's like all posing with the Jim Brown stuff. Yeah. There's like people walking around and shit. Like, there's like fans walking around. And us motherfuckers like are standing outside that stadium in broad daylight. But Bill gets giddy about Jim Brown.

Like nobody else. He loves players. He loves players. You know he fucking loved Rodney Harrison. Oh, yeah. He still talks about Rodney Harrison every week, bro. Rodney, Rodney was his guy. Like, Rodney was a great, you would have loved playing with Rodney.

Yeah, Rodney, he had a liming heart. He was a mean linensardard. Yeah, like he wasn't a DB. Nothing against DB. I love Dad. Yeah, but Rodney was a different breed. Oh, yeah. He was a different breed, but that was the best thing that happened to us in 2007,

meetings in Brown at the Super Bowl. And that game, it was like we were all, it was like we were stuck. Yeah. We didn't know what to feel. Yeah. Because we had a lot going on that year, you know, because we lost Marquis Hill that year. Yeah. We lost him.

And some things went on there that didn't sit well with the team. We had a lot of baggage going into that game that didn't get fixed. Right. Yeah, it was just even down to where we were staying and how our families were being, like, dude, when I tell you, it was a freaking nightmare. Yeah. It was a nightmare. What city was that in? It was in Arizona.

Arizona. Tell Vince what we used to, what we did the Super Bowl week when we were playing New England. When we went and practiced the stadium, do you remember what we were doing? I barely remember that way. I'll tell you what we were doing. We were running fake plays. We were doing our walkthrough at the fucking stadium in Minneapolis. And Doug had us running fake plays who's so worried that somebody was up there with binoculars, the spy gate shit.

Yeah, yeah. It's like, bro, and I got to tell people, I'm like, listen. I have captain Captain the ship Come in and put a game plan together And say this is what we're gonna do Okay, we don't question That's all I know

So don't you know Like we cheat Like man look here dude You gave us a game plan Our job is to execute this game plan He gave us and we done Yeah you're just in there grinding double team Right

Right You know man like man Get this triple team out with me I'm okay It's like the deflategate thing People make a big deal about that But you know what they did In the second half

When they fucking inflated the balls back They beat the dog shit They dog walk into But you know when you win, people try to find something, you know, and that's what it is Kansas City now. Yeah, we're kind of. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Don't even get Chris started on this, man. No, so for two weeks, there it is.

For two weeks out, I was defending Kansas City because I was like, I've done all the math, I've looked it in the playoffs, and I come to this conclusion. I was like, the other people make stupid mistakes. Yeah. It's like when the Sinti guy knocks Mahomes out of bounds at the 50, and then they kick a game when the field goal, it's two steps out of bounds. I was like, what do you want the fucking officials to do? But then that Josh spot really got me this week. I had some money on the bills. Josh Allen.

So that's what that's coming from. I thought he had it. Dude. It's like, did you think he had it? I don't know. I think he had it to. That's the problem. We don't know.

We don't know. It's the biggest plays in the season. We don't fucking know. There's no excuse. But you know, the thing is this, it's like, I was always taught and I always believe, don't put it in the reps' hands. Don't put it in their hands. Right.

Like Josh, you 200 to 40 pounds. Yeah. Like, man, like. Or, King Cade pick up the first down on third down. You see what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Like, it's just, and people forget what put you in those positions. Yeah.

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I mean, I know you got back there and had some sats. but like who was the guy that was tough to get on the ground like who was the guy in your day and age big Ben yeah big Ben yeah big Ben he could extend the play man big Ben was big he would make throws with people draped all over him was big Ben was tough yeah yeah yeah just a big guy and just younger being like he'll move around like you say he would extend plays and it's to touch him is like oh my god this is a lineman that hell yeah big Ben was that guy no yeah the one i wanted to ask you about was Randy Moss, was he 07? Yes.

What was it like playing with Randy? Because I've heard some classic stories about Randy. Let me tell you something. That, Randy is like my brother, you know, and one of the most amazing human beings you'll ever meet, which you're doing. Yeah. You know.

And I think Randy University kind of gave people an ideal of why he was the way he was, you know? But you're talking about a sweetheart? Yeah. You would be laughing. Like, constantly. to be laughing. All day.

Great teammate. Oh, yeah. We never had no issues out of random. Very smart. Yeah. Very, very, very smart. And he was just a great teammate. And I got a chance to know him over time.

Like I said, that's like my brother. Like we talked. We just went on vacation this past year. So it's like his family and my family, we're family. Yeah. But Randy, you would love Randy. You would love Kevin Falk. Like, I had some amazing teammates, man.

Like, I can't, you know, Chad came over with Chad funny. Chad Brown? Ocho, Ocho, he was funny. Yeah, like, Bill loved. Talk about charisma. Yeah, like, dude, like, we had some characters in that locker room. That's what people don't realize there's a lot of fun dudes.

Oh, yeah. In the locker room, you know. Yes. What you said is true, like, it is a different way to do in business sometimes. But the guys, man. It's the guys. You know, it's a collection of winners, man. Yep, yep.

You can't be there if you're not a winner. Man, look, you're, like I had, in all my teams between Houston and New England and I had probably two players that I cared less about. And the team felt the same way. So it ain't just me single these guys. Usually that's the way it is. It's just two. You know, just out of 13 years, it's two.

Everybody else, I love my team. Like, we always had a great time. And the two guys, it's like, one was a defensive player and one was an offensive player that, like, it was, they just did not fit. They weren't buying it. No, they just, they did not fit. Yeah. And that's it.

People at home want me to ask who, but I'm not going to do it. Oh, yeah. But I tell you what, Mark, it's not Aaron. I tell you, it's not Hernandez. No. Did you play with him? Yeah, because people would think, oh, he'd talk about, no, it wasn't hearing. No, people said he was like, like, when he was on, everybody was like, man, what a sweetheart.

Like, I heard that, that term. He was a great, man. He was a great person. Like, we never had no issues out of Aaron. Like, he fit in. But these two guys I'm talking about, they were just so different. Yeah. they didn't like no we're like nah yeah i think that's my favorite thing about the super bowl that we

won it's like you always when you win a super bowl you have these great teams like you always have that those guys and you have that bonding moment you know what i mean and that's that's a cool thing you come back here you chop it up with the old teammates yeah the cool thing about ours was like nobody with y'all with y'all's groups everybody had been there battle hard and knew what it was about like we didn't know what it was about it more sweet yeah it made it kind of cool you know because I had just come from New England where I'd seen that side of it. And certainly there were things the next year

where I was like, we should do this fucking thing than New England. Right, right, right. We're too much fun. Right, right, right. We're fucking around. But it was cool to like win it with a group that just didn't know any better.

Which can make a team dangerous. Yes, yes. It certainly can. And another guy was one of my, one of the greatest teammates of all time with Junior's Yale. Oh, yeah. I've heard amazing things about Junior.

Gosh, man. Junior, man, you know, that was sad because we never seen it. Right. Because we always saw the smile. We seen a happy guy. We've seen him. And, you know, Junior would sit at this lock and play his guitar.

Yeah. Like, that was his past time. Like, in camp, everybody wanted to rest and be like, he's sitting in his, in his, uh, lock and play the guitar. They said he was like the, he was like a man's man. Like, he was just, he was like a, uh, a, uh, walk back footed, in short song backwood. Yeah. He's always ready to play. He's always running around.

Yeah. I mean, he's in, he's in practice. It's like he's 18. It's just run, run, run, run, run. And one of the, like another, you know, legend that I played with that was like, man, I grew up watching this guy and now he's my teammate. I'm talking to him. You know, we play and we're joking.

Those are things I remember the most when it comes down to it. You know, it's like the guys I played with in the history books, like a junior, like a Randy Mawls. like a Tom Brady, like Rodney, you know, now Vrabel, he's a head coach. So I, you know, we went to war. But you got to see who they really were. Yeah. You know, and I'm sure the junior thing, man,

and we've all had these experiences with former teammates and stuff where you just didn't see whatever it was coming, and did that change the way you looked out for former teammates? Not that anybody could have changed anything. Well, it's checked, man. Yeah, well, because you never know what somebody's going to. You don't know what somebody's going to. You don't know what.

somebody on their mind, you don't know where they get mentally. Yeah. You know, so I always, after all of that, I always check on my brothers. Like, we'll just check, everybody good. Yeah. You know, what's going on? If I see a person or a player looking at a certain way, act in a certain way you pull them inside, man, you're okay, everything's all good.

Let them, let them talk to you open up because even Aaron, you know, I remember being, and I was in the locker room one night. It just had to be by like 11 o'clock at night. You know, and this is just one of those nights where, you know, I couldn't sleep. My body was aching. I think I was dealing with like an ankle or something. So I went to the stadium at night just to get in the hot tubs and all that stuff. And Aaron's that a few times.

Right? So you get me, right? And Aaron was there. It was me and him. And we was in a hot tub and we were just chalking up. And we were talking about life. And it was right before, I think his daughter was about to be born or she was just more. Yeah.

And he was telling me, he said, Vince, I want to be a better. I want to be a better person. I want to be a great father. And he started crying. He started crying. He said, I just want to be the best I possibly could be for my daughter. He said, but time, life gets hard and get hard. And we said that for an hour into him, we just talk, talk.

And it's just midnight now. Yeah. It's just me and him just talking. But so much pain that he had going on that he didn't have an outlet. Right. But in that moment, I was his outlet. Yeah. And I felt I was there for him in that moment.

Yep. I wish I could and we had other people that could be with him outside because when he was in the locker room he was good was around the thing

that made him probably feel the best when he was around us Aaron was good is when he left that building and it was a different lifestyle that he was living

got him you know and I just remember that day so vividly it's like man he was crying out for help but didn't know how to ask for it right but when he was in the locker room him, you know, we gave it to him.

We had those conversations, you know. Man, you're going to be good. You're going to be a great father. Your wife, if y'all are going to be good, man. As long as you got us. And I seen a different side of him. So that was sad with him because I know the type of person he was. He could be.

He was just fighting the demon that he didn't have the help that he needed at that time when he leave the building. He's going and hanging out and doing all this dumb stuff with everybody else and nobody really looked out for him outside of him. His brothers was in that building. And the more we can check on our family and our brothers and sisters and just like, hey, man, we are here. You know, we can sit and we can talk and we can talk.

But, you know, being a man, a lot of times, we don't want to talk about our feeling. No question. But a lot of it is, like you said, like, if nobody asks, nobody's going to volunteer. I'm not going to walk up to my teammate and be like, how I'm fucking shrugging. I got in the glue.

You have to do that. We're macho. Yeah, we're superhuman. We're superhero, like we gladiators. Yeah. We can't be soft. Yeah. We can't be vulnerable.

We can't be emotional. We can't. And it's so wrong. It's so far from the truth. And I tell people all die, a real man cry. Hell yeah. A real man cry. A real man asks for him, hey, I need you.

I'll tell my wife, quit. I need you. I need a hug. I need a kiss. I need, I need physical touch. I need that. Yeah. I'm not one of the ones that sit here because I've been down that road before.

where I was mad at the world, resentful with everybody, and I was just a mad individual. And a lot of that comes from my childhood, losing my parents so young. I didn't know how to cope with it, so I just let it be. So I had a lot built up in me.

I never learned those traits. Like, no, no, no, you know? So I tell my wife, man, look here. I need you hug me. Yeah. You know what I mean? She'll tell you. I don't care what you're doing.

Come here. I need a hug. Like, I don't feel good at the day. Close mouth. Don't get fed. I want a hug from Vince. So, but, you know, it's teaching us that it's okay to ask for that because we are human. We are going to need it.

And when you realize when you start asking for it and you get it, you feel a lot better because guess what? I know at the end of the day I can go to my wife and tell her what I need and she's going to give it to me. Yeah. I know there's one person I could break down, take my cape off. I could take my cape off in my castle. But it's everything that that made us who we want. were that makes it hard to do that. It's like the better we got it, what we did.

The harder it is to do that thing. And I think it gets harder in retirement, which is why you see somebody who guys struggle. Yes. Because of isolation. But that's why I try to tell people, man, look, don't be afraid. Especially my home is my council. Yeah. You know, I can be Superman to the public.

When I'm out, my cape is on, you will never know. You understand. You never know what I've got. going on you never know but when I come home I'm dropping everything at the door because that's my sanctuary yeah you know I'm coming home to my queen you know I'm coming home to the one person that can see me bare knuckle yeah see me naked I'm coming home to that person and telling that person hey this is what I need yeah I'm I'm not Vince the football player I'm Vincent Lamar Wilford that's who I am it's two different

people yes it's got to be two different people you have you try to be a damn football player every minute of the day or the rest of your life and I don't mean like you're you're getting in a fucking three-point stand-thry all. What I mean is exactly what we're talking about. If you don't allow yourself to be a little softer, a little more open, a little bit, then you're going to struggle. You're going to struggle. And I had to learn, you know, I had to learn because I used to take my work home.

I used to go home and I used to be pissed off about whatever Bill Mike said, what's a play, I used to be pissed off. And the first thing I do, I come see my kids. They just happy to see Daddy. And all of a sudden, they scared of Daddy because Daddy got their thing. you look like that. Yeah. And it broke me down.

Hell yeah. And I learned right in and there. It broke me down. When my daughter saw me and just started crying, I'm like, what's wrong, baby? You mad at me. You mean. I'm like, oh, shit. Whoa.

That was one of the hardest things my dad said growing up was, and now I understood it when I played, was like taking work home. Yeah. And, you know, for him in the 80s where he wasn't getting paid like I was getting paid, and he was, you know, getting out of the mud. And, you know, it was 80s Raiders, bro. Like, that was. Oh, yeah.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And, you know, I remember him coming home and being fucking stressed and all that shit and how uneasy it could make you feel. And he's been real open about that. Like, I wish I could have kept it a little bit more separate. And, you know, I took that with me when I played. And I'm glad I did, but it's still fucking hard.

It's hard. It's hard today. There's all be shit. And it's no different. Football is just one chapter. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? You can't approach your day.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The same mentality that you had playing football. does not serve you in retirement. I think sports psychology should be like a must, like have a sports psychologist or a psychologist in every fucking building in the NFL.

I agree. You know, I know there's some people that think this is some soft talk or whatever, but, you know, that I don't want to, I need to be able to put my armor back on and get out of the field. And like I'll say, you know,

when I get home, I drop that armor, but when I enter the world, that armor's going. So I had to learn how to do that because I don't want my kids. man. You're upset and crying and don't want to come in that.

No, we're not doing that. How many kids you got? Four. Four? Aren't you going to be, I heard you're going to be a grandfather. I am. I am, man.

I got a five-month-old baby girl and I got a two-week. Yeah. It's so crazy. Yeah. And I got a five-year-old son. Keeping you young, man. I mean, five-year-old grandson. Yeah.

Yeah. So awesome. Yeah, I got my babies, man. And like I said, we just came from Florida with him. And, man, it's the best feeling in the world. Hell, yeah. Yeah. It changed you.

Like, it changes you and it's a blessing just to see and I'm like man now I can raise you little rock racks how I want to raise you I'm not playing

you know when I had my other ones I was playing so it was like that it was working that it was home like but now it's like man I'm gonna pour everything I possibly do you want your kids to play? Is that something that you've thought about my son is a baseball player my oldest son right he tried it but it wasn't his deal

were you relieved yeah but you know I was like I would support anything they want to do you know I'm not going to be that hypocrite where I play football you can't play football I know I'm not going to know if you really love the game I would tell you and I would teach you about it

and this is how you want to play it because this is my sport and this is but if you don't want to play it and you want to be you know whatever you want to be in life I'm a support so my son he's a baseball he like baseball my son is 6-3 and he's almost 200 pounds 50 Damn. He heads the ball pretty fucking far, I bet.

We've got it back. He's a bat. Like, we were talking before we got on, guaranteed money. Yeah. You played for 20 years and walk away with a ton of fucking money. The clubhouse is sick. Yeah, you know, so, you know, I'm okay with that. You know, I'm okay with my son doing whatever he want to do.

You don't have to follow him for my footsteps. But my son is so he's so independent. You know, he's really, he got a 140 IQ. So he's like, golly. Yeah, he look at. Does that go any higher than that? Man, look at it. He's like a genius.

What the fuck does the scale go to? Yeah, I don't fucking know. That's, that's big enough. See, that's all I know. It's big enough, but that's him. So he's not going to Miami. No, he's like, fuck Miami. Hey, the Miami thing, we were talking about going all the way back

because you guys played Nebraska right in the national championship. Was everybody kind of like, did everybody know that they were all on steroids? Nebraska? Nebraska. Yeah, we knew. But it was like, we knew we had them beat, when you know how you do these functions together. Oh, I remember the function?

Yeah, we was at this, we was at like the Disney, and they were walking and looking at us like they seen God. Oh, really? Yeah. So we knew we was going to beat the fuck out of him when we saw that, right? We knew that. I mean, you had some dogs on that too, you did. Like, what a cast of characters.

Yeah, we had, we had, the list is long, man. And the one thing I'm proud of is the career, We had in the NFL. We had a longevity in the affair with these guys. And those are my brothers, man. That's, you know, that's like a family. You would never get rid of. I don't care if you played in the 70s or you played in 2020.

Like, we are all the same when we get together. That's the best college football team of all time. All time hands down. Is there anyone on that team that you, okay, when you were a freshman, right, that was 2001, a lot of maniacs on that team. Anyone that you were just afraid of? Oh, so you did not fuck with them. I know shock he was crazy.

Crazy. But not scary because it tied in. Yeah. No, there was nobody on there that I'm like, oh, shit, he's a motherfucker crazy. But it kind of helps to be. Maybe it was. Oh, you know what? No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. I wasn't afraid of him. I looked up to him.

Al Blaze. Al Blaze was that guy. He was Al Blade. God bless the dead. Al Blaze. He reminded me so much of rotting, but he was just 10 times rotten because he was just fucking wired. Yeah.

Man, yeah. And the crazy thing is, so I came out of cause, I'm high school, 2000, right? I had to sit out for six months. So I set up my six months, and then I entered in December, so I was allowed to go to the Sugar Bowl. Yeah. All right that year, we went to the Sugar Bowl, played Florida. So it's a fight.

You know, we're in the club, you know. I'm hanging out with my brother. We're in the club and, you know, some stuff scuffled up, so they kicked us out. So we have guys everywhere. I mean, some at the casino, some of the, down at this club, some of this bar, somewhere. Now mind you, we had basically the whole Gators team, like against us.

And it was only like a couple of us. So we got back like what was going on. So we all outside. And Al, he walks through the crowd of the Gators. And he was like, any M.F want to deal with us, you can deal with me. And he's just walking through everybody, pushing them, everything, just walking through the whole crowd.

Nobody did anything. thing. So next thing you know, a fights breakout. It went now, though. It was a fight breakout. So now it's a brawl on Bourbon Street. It's a brawl, like big brawl. And man, we win at it. The funniest thing about it was we get back to the hotel room, the cops take us back in, you know, Bush Davis at the time. Yeah. Because he gave us the speech, don't go around and get your asses in travel, blah, blah, blah, blah. So we get get back to the hotel. So, Butch having a meeting with us,

what the thing going on? So Al, he's like, look, coach, this is what happened. Woo, woo, woo, the woo, so Bush would like, okay.

Well, did you kick their ass? He wanted to ask you running away. Yeah, he's like, did you kick their ass? Yeah. Yeah. So they,

we didn't do no more functions together. And that was the start of the day. So I take he all, did. Oh, yeah. Was there anybody remember from that fight that then you played in the NFL? Yeah. You'd see him once a year.

Yeah, I see. But it was a defensive player, and we swore him up pretty good. Oh, yeah? Yeah, we swore him up pretty good. Don't tell me it was Alex Brown. That's why I wore 13. Oh, it was Alex Brown. I didn't say that.

Wow. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. He didn't say that. He gave me a look like, I remember Alex Brown. It wasn't a look like I would. Alex Brown.

Yeah, we, yeah, we, uh... But that's some old school of football shit. Yeah, yeah. Where you just get... No cell phones, just Vodge. No, man, we just... I remember we got in a big fight with the Cowboys in, in Oxnard, because we used to go there for camp, and we whipped their fucking ass.

There was a dude that we not... He was knocked out twice in the same fight. It was crazy. And he's a well-known player. Okay? Don't say any names. I'm not going to give any look. Tony Ronald.

Tony, but what? Tony, no one, Tony. What we got. When we got on the bus, we were like, is Fish, because Jeff Fisher was our coach, like, is he going to be mad? Like, when we got back to the hotel ballroom, he had six coolers of beers. And he's like, y'all whoop there, my. Absolutely. He started throwing beers.

He goes, you got the afternoon off. I love it. Man, this is just, I mean, the NFL is not the same anymore. It's not, man. But that's the thing we can take away from it. It's like what we've been doing, I mean, guys we've met and ran into this, the game. has changed so much, but I cherish every minute of everything and everybody I played with, man. It just, it's just a good feeling, the brotherhood that you have forever. Yeah. So one guy that

you're probably brothers with, Mike Vrable, who I've never met, but I'm a big fan of his, and now he's back in New England. What, I've heard he's the ultimate asshole in a good way. Like, I guess if you're on his team, it's a good thing. Yes. Describe what makes Vrable go. Well Brable He gave two fucks about how you feel Yeah But the one thing about him is he's smart

He's very knowledgeable of the game Yeah He understand the game He's an alpha We're respected Everything about him Is This is how we're going to do

We're going to do it at the top of the level If you're not on You're out of here Yeah You can't If you're not willing to put in this work and you're not able to be dedicated to what we're doing, you don't belong here.

He's telling me straight up. And he would tell you, I'm just being honest with you. I'm just being honest with you. If you don't want to do and perform the way you need, I'll find somebody to replace you. He'll be very blunt with you and tell you straight up what is what we need from you, what you need to do. And if it's not good enough, I'm going to tell you, you got to go.

I'm going to catch you. Sounds like a good communicator. Oh, straight to the point. He's not for the fucker off. He's not for the beat round of the bush. He ain't for the back. No, but he's a great teacher. Yeah.

A great teacher. So I had the luxury to play with him and play up under him when he was in Houston the linebacker coach. But I knew since I played with him the type of, he was like a coach on the field. Well, he's not the most talented. He's talented. We're all talented. But like there's a scale of like God-given talent in the NFL.

And I mean, he's a talented guy, but he was a hell of a player. And so like I feel like. I feel like those guys make great coaches because they really have to do that. They know how to get it out of you. Yeah, you know what, because they got it out of themselves. It's technique and that's what, that's what Ravel was, how he played.

Rable was like Tom up here. He just had it. And he's seen the game from a coach's point of view. Yeah. You know, he's three, four steps ahead of you. That's how he's playing the game, you know. And I just know a lot of times we went in and he was like, okay Vince, we're gonna do it like this.

Mm-hmm. We're not gonna run this game. We're gonna run this game because this is why. And he would be right. Right. Bill would never say nothing to him. Because he'll go to the sideline and if Bill say so, I fucking got it, Bill. And just walk away. Like, I got it, Bill.

He don't care. Like, no, because he always tried to put us in the best scenario as possible. That's how he was. And that's how we played. So Bill really never questioned him. And then him and Bill will go back and forth and he'll tell Bill how he feel, respectful wise, but he'll tell you like, the coordinators are. He would jump down their neck.

Like, man, get the part of here. You suck. You should have called this because this. Like. But he really knew why. Yeah. He knew why. Which scares a coach.

Yeah. Unless you're Bill, you know everything anyway. It's like, oh, shit. How funny was that when he was coaching against Bill in the playoffs and he started trick-dick. There you go. With the. There you go.

It's like he knew the rules. It's like back on the field. Yeah. He knew the rules. Yeah. He was waiting for that on his whole line. He knew the rules, right? Smart this mother-in-vike.

But that should tell everybody the type of coach you're getting in New England. Like, he. outsmarted does smart. Yeah. He did. And he's going to be, I think he's going to do very well for New England. Now it's going to take some pieces to put together. But, you know, that's part of the game. He got a quarterback, you know, now it's building around and stuff. So it's nice. I'm excited to see how you're going to roll. Everybody listen to home, man. I hope you enjoyed this. Vince is, he's a legend, man. And we all enjoyed watching your play from days in New England to seeing you in the overalls. And now you got the Kingsford deal. So appreciate you

coming by, man. Thank you guys for having. This was pretty awesome, man. So we got to do it some more this year coming up, man. I'm all with it. I'm for it.