Green Light with Chris Long - Week 14 NFL and CFB Review. Cortland Finnegan. Bowl Games. Steve Harvey.

Episode Date: December 11, 2019

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Hey, Macon, you won a Peloton for the holidays? Yeah, love fitness. I want you try fitness. Welcome to unlucky episode 13. I disagree. Of green light. You're supposed to say thank you when I welcome you. Is that a bit now?

That's a bit now. Okay. Well, thank you. Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here and I can't wait to talk to you. Fuck this whole thing up somehow because it is episode 13. And sports. Is it Murphy's Law?

In pop culture. Is it Murphy's Law? No, man. I do push-ups in sets of 13. Okay. I do other things. In sets of 13? In sets of 13.

When I was in high school, my number was 13, in as many sports as I could make it. So I do... Were you Grieg-slanger 13? Yeah, that was my AOL screen name slash AIM. Yeah. Greed-slanger, 13. Yeah. Making 226 right here.

Were you making 2-2-6? Yeah, that was an auto fill on the AIM. Did you ever ASL anybody? Nah, dude, we were 10. We were wholesome. No, well, I was, I dabbled in the ASL. And then, you know, of course, people would send you, like, people would send you pictures from. I don't even know where you got pictures like that back then.

You grew up faster than I did. Yeah, I did. Had a lot of unsupervised intranet time. And, yeah, I mean, I remember the AOL day as well. Are people still using AOL? Because it's still a large company, yes? Yeah, I email probably a couple people a week with an AOL.com. With AOL?

Yeah. I used to be superstitious. I know you're a little stitious, but no longer after the Hoos take down a Natian hoops. Why? What changed? I stopped doing certain things during that run. Yeah.

What changed? Nothing that I do matters. It's just imagine. Imagine that you really think that what you're doing matters. Yeah. Right. But then I kind of, in a way, started doing things in sets of 13 and such,

to be unlucky and I guess in a way became just as. You're fading yourself. Yeah, so we went down to Charlotte, both of us. Yeah. I was expecting to win. You're always expecting to win. But that is a good ball club in the Clemson Tigers. It's a semi-pro ball club.

Nobody thought that they would be this good, right, Davo? Yeah. They've only won 28 in a row. Beat everybody by 30 plus. Yeah, I mean, I had a, first time I go down there with five my college teammates. Shout out to Tom Sannie, Andrew Dewey, aka Doodrop,

John Phillips of NFL fame, Tom Sannie of NFL fame as well, tight end you. And Nate Collins, of course, who played in the league, and also most notably is a bullpen guy. for our very own making Gunter as a co-hosts of this program. By the way, Nate owes me.

We're calling him Dr. Faxe now. That's not Dewey? No, Dr. Fax is now Nate because he has been so loose with the facts on this podcast. Looser than me claims that, one, claim that the Cowboys, we should do a Nate's takes segment, claims that Cowboys should hire Marvin Lewis.

right i heard that uh he thought that the lions would upset the vikings this weekend he posited that um who was the josh freeman was the chicago bears quarterback when it was actually um jason campbell uh one year so it was a rough pod for nate from a factual standpoint Nate also had a rough weekend and we'll get to that uh what i show you let's just let's just do a flip book of my photos from the weekend down in Charlotte. I had all access passes. Not a flex.

But that's me and Barrett Jones. Bear Jones, friend of the program. Yes, indeed. Right there on the sidelines. It's great to see Bear Jones. That's B. Doc. Brian Dawkins, my old lunch buddy in Philly. Good smile by you. Well, you know, I was in a rush

because kickoff was coming. Yeah. Brian Dawkins and I used to eat lunch together all the time in Philly when he was kind of like loosely a player coach or a coach type thing. It felt like a player coach because he felt like he could still go out there and play. He looks like he'd still go out there and play. My man has a 26-inch neck. I just want to put that out there.

One of the largest necks I've ever seen. No wonder he could just blast people with the crowd of his helmet for 15 years, for the better part of two decades. Yeah, my man was a great mentor. and stepped away from the Eagles. But we've got Don Mikowski here, who is blurred in my picture. The Magic Man.

That's the Magic Man. Former Virginia quarterback, of course. And then... Handsome smile by you, Chris. You should smile more. And there's our good friend Marcus Higgins. Biscuit. Wide receiver coach for the Virginia Cavaliers,

who's done a terrific job. And the way Virginia got out there and started scoring early, I thought we might have something... I might have a ball game on our hands. If the Hoos had scored on that first possession, maybe it's close at the break. Unfortunately, it got out of control.

But yeah, Virginia puts up 380 plus on Clemson. No other team had put up 300 on them. Yeah. There were some positives. Yeah. Yeah, no. The offense looked really good. Defense, it's tough to cover a bunch of pros out there, future pros.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, their skills were too much. And that is the thing. Going into the college football playoff, I worry about their defense a little bit, not saying that we're, I mean, we've been prolific offensively this year, especially with possessing the football. I know that was part of the game plan, but we gained a lot of yards on them too,

and they're going to see better offenses in the playoff. But I was on the sideline walking by these cats, and I'm like sizing up the line, and I'm like, yeah, I could still go? Like if I had to right now without stretching, could I still go? And I could still go on a college game. Yeah, and then the Simmons guy walks by me. Yeah. Number 11.

And I'm like, holy shit, this cat is as big as me. I thought, you know, number 11, it, it, it, I didn't watch Clemson a bunch this year. I just didn't. I know they're going to win all the games. Simmons' defensive player year, I had heard about him. I'd watch highlights of him. He walks by and initially I'm like, this can't be, this can't be the kid, this defensive player year kid. He's like a, he's like a, he's like, what, a nickel, basically.

He's about my height. He's got to be about, I don't know what they list him at, but he looks like he's about 2.30. and I'm thinking to myself, he's way too athletic to be a D-Lyman with one of those single-digit or skill guy numbers. And he looks way too big to be a D-Pack. 6-4-2-30.

Jesus, this kid is huge. And they got a lot of really good skill guys. And most of the Clemson fans were pretty nice. I'd heard really bad things about them. I don't know about your experiences, but... I'm in the press box. I don't have that experience. I was in the stand.

with the fans and I got told to move out of a seat because a guy in a Clemson Blazer. Blazer. Yeah, a Clemson Blazer told me that the seats were taken as soon as we scored our first touchdown. And there was a fan cam coming around and moments earlier had got us in the background and he goes, well for what it's worth

you got to be on TV so could you move now? Were you in the wrong seat? I was in the wrong seat but nobody was there and nobody had been there for the entire of the first quarter. Yeah. And I was like, dude, like, I'm a sitting in your seat guy. You're a sitting in a seat guy?

Yeah. I felt a little, I felt awkward, but I felt like I had a, it was a window into an everyday fan experience. I hadn't since damn near ever, as an adult, been in the stands to watch my favorite football team play and like blend it in with everybody. It was interesting. I saw a guy with a Clemson wedding band. Do we have that picture here?

You see a lot of those? This guy's got an orange rubber Clemson wedding band. He was sitting right in front of me. Shout out to that dude who shaves his hands. And has a Clemson wedding band. Everybody was really nice around me, so I'm not throwing shade. But that's a level of commitment. More a level of commitment by his wife, I presume.

Or husband. Or husband, sure. Did you happen to walk by a 16 at any point? 16? Yeah. No, I didn't. He's a quarterback. Lawrence, 65-220.

Yeah, he was taller than I thought from across the field, but I didn't get a close-up look at him. Those guys make it look easy. Yeah, I would say the night ended in a really crash-and-burn fashion just as it did the game. Me and my bros ended up in an Airbnb. We were in our Airbnb till 4 or 5 in the morning with no food in the fridge. We had been on a liquid diet all day, skipped meals.

You know, like the last thing I ate when I touched out in Charlotte was tacos at 2 o'clock. I didn't eat again a real meal, a seated meal, until 11 a.m. at world-renowned ace biscuits and barbecue in Charlottesville, Virginia. As soon as we got off the plane, Sunday morning, and it was well worth it. But, you know, I don't know if you ever do this. When you're on a liquid diet, you're on a liquid diet. I skip meals with the best of them. I was at the game.

I had a stadium dinner. Popcorn and one of those pretzels. I thought about doing the Papa John's thing, but I couldn't get that guy's face out of my head. 40 pizzas and 30 days. I couldn't get his face out of my head. So I passed up on the pizza and we went on our way. I couldn't get dinner.

We went to a bar. A couple dudes told us we looked too old to be in the bar. In Charlotte? Yeah, there were a lot of people our age. a lot of people our age. Yeah. It was a Clemson fan. I hate to make this about me,

but I was in bed by 2 a.m. in Charlottesville, good for you. I was hovering over a bag of pork rinds because that's all we had, that we had a ration between four or five dudes. I've noticed a lot of food in this liquid diet of yours. Well, it's not really meals, though, I would say.

They're not, they're not me. You know, when you eat popcorn, a pretzel, and pork rinds, in a 21-hour period and consume about 20 light beers not great for the body. You and I were standing on the field pre-game and

back judge runs up. Yeah. Says, hey, de-calf Metcalf. Yeah, back-judge knew my Twitter. Yeah. Really cool. Friend of the program. Friend of the program, back-judge.

Didn't do us any favors during the ball game. Sure didn't. I think it was the calls that would have made up the difference. Yep. We Oh, we finished the night with Friend of the program, Nate Collins,

part-time co-host For those of you watching out there, he's got his Virginia jersey on. Light beer. Light beer in hand, and he has taken a little nap on the couch. I put the sunglasses on because it always makes you look a lot worse

when you're taking a little nap at four or five in the morning and people can see your eyes because it just doesn't look great. No, no, no, no. That would have been wrong. Were we okay to put the, were we okay to do this? Maybe ask Nate.

We'll probably ask him. We'll probably ask him after the show. Yeah, then we could do a blur face. But Nate plays really loose with the camera himself. I mean, I'm on Nate's Snapchat on the regular. So anytime you want to see unscripted, kind of seedier pants type stuff, I don't know what his Snapchat is,

but if you can find him, Nate is going to stick a camera in your face the entire trip. He's like TMZ. Nate brought a actual cannon camera. Like with the strap that you put around your neck. Like somebody's uncle. So Nate, yeah, Nate was my dad.

Yeah, Nate was a dad for the trip. Happy birthday, dad, by the way. Oh, really? December the 8th. Big Brad. Yeah. Happy birthday. Shouts out.

Shouts out. We also had, I went on a bit of a rant yesterday on Twitter. My dad's a friend of the blog, by the way. He thinks it's a blog. Oh, he calls this a blog? Yeah. Friend of the blog.

What does he say to you when he tells you that he... Hey, hey, Max. Makes, I saw the last blog and I thought it was terrific. Thanks, Dad. Love you, Brad. Twitter, you. Twitter, yeah, I went on a bit of a rant that some people thought was offensive and violent, and I don't regret it.

It was about lunch. Yep. The biggest wasted time in the world, the worst meal, complete dog shit excuse for people that you don't want to hang. Well, here's my tweet. Doing lunch without any background info is basically a business meeting in person where you can get put on the spot with something, but there's a cool twist in public. And the best part, here's a terrible sandwich

including 2.5 labels. Labels? Is that a con? It actually wasn't. Yeah, that's pounds. LBS. 2.5 pounds of stiff chabata bread. That's why I hate lunch. I feel like lunch is,

and I posted a meme of Todd Gurley, I do memes as well. Yeah, this is me, Todd Gurley, stiff arming, Trey Flowers, and he's a guy who wants to do lunch. Or a girl that wants to do lunch. Out of the blue, with no context, not a big fan of lunch. Where are you on lunch? Oh, pro lunch.

You're pro lunch. I actually love lunch. And are you just talking about the lunch meeting, the lunch proposition? The lunch proposition. Okay. But why are people, people don't do breakfast. When somebody wants to sell you, you know, some terrible business operations or put you on the spot and say they fell on hard times or,

um, I don't know, bring more drama into your already dramatic and busy as hell life. They usually choose lunch as cover. Why don't they choose breakfast or dinner? Because most people work a nine to five and they have a built-in lunch hour. So I got some feedback from, from people online that said that for them,

it's an escape from work. Yeah. So they look at lunch very differently. I love lunch. I get a beaten walnut salad at Bezoo right down the road. Bezoo's a good place. Great Nyoki there. Yeah.

I like to sit at the bar by myself and eat lunch. Oh, I love eating meals by myself. Me too. I'd rather eat lunch by myself than with any of the various people who think I'm dumb enough to agree to go to lunch with somebody I haven't seen in years possibly out of the blue with no context. Can we talk about it on the phone? What's it about? I'll just explain to you when we get to lunch.

Well, that's weird. Oh, I get that a lot. PSA, if you want to get a business idea in front of Chris, drive him from Philly to Charlottesville. That's the best way to do it. When did that happen? Your driver, dog. Oh, yeah, my driver.

Jersey, maybe. Yeah, because I had to get around. That's the best business proposition. Pick up, see long. Become an Uber or lift driver and hover around. In Philly. and then drive me all the way to Virginia and you can pitch

a business plan that I can't disclose because I signed an NDA. Yeah, but generally, for people out there listening, I understand some of y'all don't get these weird lunch things, but I get a lot of them. And I'm just getting tired of it. And if you're going to pitch me some bullshit, invite me to breakfast and let me do bacon.

I just, I'm not a fan of the lunch thing. I'm not a fan of sandwiches. I'm not a fan of like salads. Oh, no, man. Salads. Yeah? Are where it is at. No, I don't think so.

They're supposed to be healthy, and they're mostly dog shit. They're mostly, like, doused with... Get the dressing on the side. Yeah, I guess. Iceberg lettuce. You like those salads with the shredded cheddar cheese, and the big grape tomatoes and the iceberg lettuce. You get unhealthier eating that lunch.

Yeah, you're getting the wrong salads. Okay. Steve Harvey makes headlines, and that's the thing. Steve Harvey is a comedian that they're trying to make do serious things. But he's not like the safe type of comedian that you put out there and can do award shows, although we're trying more and more to put like unsafe comedians in awards show. settings. And I think it's probably just for this very reason. It gets people talking about the

award show. Steve Harvey gets the wrong country. Again, he screwed up in 2015 and he screwed up a couple of days ago when he called Miss Malaysia, Miss Philippines. Yeah, I haven't consumed this content. Let's consume it right now. Okay. I had on some fly, but girl, you just, woo, cake and oranges and potato chips. This is a lot. Yes. It's not Philippines. It's Malaysia.

Okay, well, let me explain some to you. I just read that in the telepromp, y'all going to quit doing this to me. I can read it and say it now. They're trying to fix it now. See, this is what they did to me back in 2015, played me short like that. This is Malaysia. I really love this national constitution. of the rage.

Blame Dylan teleprompter. I haven't, again. That's the first I've seen that. I haven't read any of the feedback. That's fake. You think that's fake? That's choreographed. Yeah, that's on purpose.

Is that a take that's, that's, this could be a hot take? Perhaps. I haven't seen a take yet. That's why I wanted to put that out there first. So you think, 100%, Sure. Until he gets roasted by Miss Columbia, which you also haven't seen. Let's roll that tape.

What's he doing? He's nervous. His acting is what he's doing. Well, he's nervous because he screwed it up in 2015. Mustache. Game. Strong. It's right there. Right there. C-O-L-M-B-I-A. It's spelled it. Well, you're here. Yes, I'm here. Are you sure you're?

read correctly. Should I go back? So you just keep this going on, don't you? You saw me being over there. You know, I'm struggling with this. You're forgiven, don't worry. You've forgiven me. Yeah, they do. Yeah, they have not, the

cartel is not they're not handling it the same way. Steve, that wasn't choreographed. Yes, it was. The cartel? Maybe that was freelance, but That's a word I don't like to use publicly. I'm even nervous to use it on this pod.

I would be too. I'm glad I haven't said it. No beef with the cartel. Steve, though, made a cartel joke. Don't think that was planned. He also got an eye roll, or he gave an eye roll to miss South Africa who used her platform to talk about climate change

for a moment, and he rolled his eyes at her, which I don't think was scorers. either. Steve can be a little sloppy here. He called a flint collar into his show who's ripping the Cleveland Browns. Well, he instruct them to go drink some of that brown water, which I thought would probably sink his career. It didn't. So he continues to book award shows. Teflon Steve. Teflon Steve. Also, he survived the staff memo, if you remember that one in 2017, which I actually enjoyed the staff memo.

Yeah. The staff memo read that no one should approach him while he's in the makeup chair or speak to him. Yeah. I'm cool with that. That's like when you're at the gym,

don't talk to me, right? I'm totally good with that. I think that got blown way out of proportion. I can imagine, and he mentioned this, he's trying to eat lunch, which brings back to my lunch rant,

people just barge in. No announcement. He's getting ready to do a show. We know, a hard show business is. Very hard. V. Yeah. V hard. Imagine somebody coming in and just chomping their disgusting sandwich with mayonnaise on it,

like spitting pieces of mayonnaise out onto your note cards and pitching you a business plan. You said chomping. I'd like to use this platform to tell the folks that it's champing at the bit, not chomping at the bit. Really? Yeah, it's champing at the bit. It's a horse, it's an equestrian term, champing at the bit. No shit.

Unrelated to Steve Harvey. Wow. Yeah. I'm a big fan of that staff. Listen, by the way, again, on lunch, just eat some cold food out of the fridge. Lunch is a huge waste of time. Bad take.

Bad take. Some Steve Harvey facts. He attended Kent State and West Virginia. He's from Welch, West Virginia. Great mustache again. He's been a boxer, an auto worker. an insurance salesman, a carpet cleaner, and a mailman. One of those is better than the rest, if I may.

Mailman? Yeah. Cool job. Awesome job. Is it? Yeah. You're in solitude. Yeah.

You can listen to whatever you like. Yeah. Podcasts, perhaps. People count on you. People like you. People like you. You get to get a lot of exercise. Yeah.

If you're out of my my guys on foot. If you don't like dogs though, not a good thing. I don't know. Well, you need to be challenged. Yeah, I guess. I think that's a great gig. Okay. Yeah, a boxer, yeah, brain damage, auto worker, cars can fall on you and shit like that.

Insurance salesman, boring. Carpet cleaner, disgusting. I'm not going to besmirch any of those. No, I'm just saying there's downsides to all those occupations. I don't see a big downside for me. male men, except for the turning radius of their rigs and driving on the opposite side of the car. Another perk. That's cool. Okay. In the 80s, he was homeless for years, not cool, slept in his car when he was not performing gigs. So Steve's had a long road to this.

That's why I think this stuff doesn't really, like, bother him. Like, you know, comics are, it's an era where we're reckoning with certain things we can and can't say. And Steve is a guy that might be a little rough around the edges for some award shows. But to your point, he might be keeping Mr. Universe more relevant than it would be without him. Yeah.

Which I can't tell if that's a sexist sentiment. He's acting. Okay. Thanks for listening to Greenlight. Don't forget to subscribe on Apple Podcasts so you don't miss an episode. Marcus Peters this weekend after the bills were knocked off

was partying in the back of the Edzone with some Ravens fans and shotguned a beer. Did you see that? Heard about it. Let's see it. Door shut. That's the fastest shotgun I've ever seen. He got like three ounces of beer in his mouth.

Yeah. Which is the oldest trick in the book. You know, I can't take it when somebody's like, hey man, let's shotgun a beer. I mean, it can be fun, but it feels like when they're doing it to me, it's usually like a football fan. we usually do it on shotgun beach on the James River shout at James River Runners

Not me, you I do, yeah You don't like tubing No, I don't like being wet What? You shower? Yeah, I do like being clean But you don't like being in a river

I don't like being wet Makes no sense Tubing is one of the most awesome things On the planet But when you have to shotgun a beer every time I do it, I realize I don't remember how to do it. You know, it's like when you're 10 beers deep, it's not automatic.

Like where do I puncture this thing as a keys and then put the finger over, you can cut your hand. Yeah. This might be a hot take that I wouldn't give when I was 23. Not as into shotgunning beers anymore. And I'm really not into like doing chugging contests with dudes in my 30s. I've had to do one or two. About five years ago, though, at Robert Quinn's wedding,

I had one with Cortland Finnegan. Who is a known cheater? If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. Little guy, feisty guy. And he poured the entire beer down his chest in the contest. I want you to officiate this contest here. What we're seeing is Portland. He's that!

He's that. Damn. Damn. You can't. I killed you, dude. Out. You're a joke, kid. For those of you listening, not watching,

that's Cortland and I having a beer checking contest, which I'm actually pretty decent at, but Cort dumped the entire beer down his chest and claims that he won. What's your take there? Yeah, he lost. He lost. Was that Meg Long in that video?

That was Meg in the background. She officiated it well right away. She pointed it out. Robert Quinn, right there in the video, officiated as well. Yeah. And now, to talk Titans, my new favorite non-Eagles team in the NFL,

Well, court. We've got Cortland Finnegan on the hotline, so to speak. Friend of the program. Welcomeing to the program, one of my favorite teammates of all time. Cortland Finnegan doesn't need much more introduction. My guy. Thank you, Lord. What's up, dude?

What's up, baby? Hey, thank you for having me good, man. You're really good at football. You're a great friend, your great teammate, but you're bad at Skype. You're really shitty because half your face is cut off right now. You know you have to move away from the computer or the phone. There we go. Hey, my Afro locksided, too.

Hold on. Fix that. This ain't for everybody, man. It looks worse than it did on Killy. Huh? It looks worse than it did on Killy. Hey, you see the Migos right here? Yeah.

This is actually, we call him reset. Reset option. Amazing. Where are you right now, Korse? Huh? Where are you right now? Say that again. Where are you currently?

I'm at Juice Bar, man. Slanging Juice. Just trying to change the world with a healthy body and mine, baby. Yeah, you're into the juice thing now. You got anything else going on right now? No, man. Just raising kids, Big Doe. You know, I got three.

You know how it is, man. I do know how. I don't and I won't know how three is. Yeah, yeah, you potentially could, man. If you're practicing, it's always an idea. You know me, big practicer. Anything else? Are you still doing the shoe thing?

No, man. No, uh-uh. Just a little restaurant business. Just loving on folks, man. Good, good. And doing a lot of philanthropic stuff. You joined me on Kilimanjaro for conquering Kelly last year. You famously said this is going to be a breeze.

Hey, listen, it's the hardest thing I've ever done in my life, but the most meaningful. I mean, you talk about just giving back, man, what you're doing is so special. You don't realize what you're doing until you go over there and see. how you're impacting people, man. And so, again, you didn't win men in the year for any other reason other than you just got a big heart. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. The foundation money doesn't hurt they gave us with that award.

So we're able to cover the admin cost to get my buddies over to climb Kilimanjaro in court, who said it was going to be a breeze, admitted it was the hardest thing he ever did. He climbed damn near the entire mountain with a special costume on. Yes, I had on my elephant, man. You know, I had a big trump. So you always got to carry a big stick wherever you go. So it's, can you explain the elephant thing? Not the trunk part.

It was like a Halloween costume. And you're like, you're sitting in it. And it's like you're on an elephant's shoulders. And so he had the big trunk in front. And I actually wore it to a Halloween party. And then you wore it on Mount Kilimanjaro. And I went, yeah, I figured no one had climbed Mount Kilimanjaro riding an elephant with a big stick. I think you're the first one.

The other, the other, you know, first time. First time milestone we had was Kirstiannis, who was the first female above the knee amputee to summit. Yours, of course, much more difficult. You climbed in an elephant suit. Congratulations. I got to look at that stupid costume the entire way up. Real quick. So we would agree that the – and of course you live in Nashville still a longtime Tennessee Titan,

RAM as well, a few other teams, but you're probably a Titan. That's the way you identify yourself, right? Absolutely. Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, they gave me a start. Coach Fisher has been instrumental in just, you know, everything I did as a player. So I would definitely, and just in my foundation, they were able to give, so let me get back to the community. So I'm pro Tennessee Titans. I'm pulling for them. And then, you know, I've got my buddy that's running the show now on there. So I'm excited. I'm a Titans fan. Well, that's great, man. And I know they've been exciting. We'll get to them in a second. They're actually my, probably my favorite new team here. I used to hate the Titans, but now I kind of like them. I can't believe I'm sorry. saying that the two best teams in league right now kind of unanimously in the AFC and NFC. We saw that possible Super Bowl preview two weeks ago in the rain. You look at the Niners. They figured out different ways to win. They went in a high-scoring game down in New Orleans.

They went in a low-scoring game in the rain. You know, on the other side of things, you've got the Ravens who look unstoppable. They have an opportunity to be on the longest win street going into the playoffs for a team that might win the Super Bowl of all time, tie with the Patriots who reeled off 12 straight a few years back. What's the weaknesses of each if they have any. You know what? I think if you're looking at the Ravens, if I'm thinking of a weakness,

and I first say I wouldn't even want to give Lamar a weakness, but if you stop the run, you know, can they do a spread type offense and still be, you know, still move the football. I think that's one of the things that I would like to see because if you make them one dimensional, I know Lamar, if you go back and look at his stats,

I think he's throwing 15 the 20 times a game. Right. But it's, I mean, you know, he's throwing three or four touchdowns. And I think that's based on the run. When you can make, you know, make running a priority, now you get eight men in the box. Now you're playing cover three and man to man. So you just got to hit your open guys. But I think if you're able to run zones and stop the run with your front seven, then I think, you know, that poses a problem.

No one's been able to do it because Lamar's been so elusive. But I think if it's one weakness, if you make them one dimensional, can they beat you? And I think that's the biggest thing. And the 49ers, man, to be honest with you, I love their pass rush. but I'm not sold on Garoppah. I'm sorry. There's not enough, man. It's been a hard sell for some people, but I got to say lately, though, he's making a case.

Yeah, I'm not sold, man. I just, I can't be sold on Jimmy. I know he's come from a great system with New England. I know he's made some plays down the stretch, but he's like a stray cat, man. He's not to be trusted. I hadn't heard that one. Okay, well, that's fun. And coming into this year, working backwards,

as we hit the Niners. I was also apprehensive about him and even through mid-year. But to me, the big moment is, I know as the Cardinals, they're down a couple touchdowns there. He got a gut check that way. They came back in one. And then at two separate instances

on Sunday, I thought these were big moments. You know how hard it is to play in Superdome. They're down 20 to 7. They need a big play. He gives it to him. And then this wasn't a Jimmy G. moment, but that trick play when they were down 27-14. As a team, I feel like there's checking certain boxes off, you know, winning different ways, you know, not being so

one-dimensional. He's doing enough at quarterback and then the gut checks. Right. Well, you know, it's New Orleans too now. They're susceptible to giving up big plays. You go back from the start, they give up big plays. Now, they score a lot of points, but what they score is such a rapid rate, you got to think that defense is on the field a lot. So there's only but so much you can possibly do. So for them, giving up big plays. That's a great point. Do you remember early in the season? I mean, they were giving up plus 50. passes plus 3DDR passes like it was just you know free candy store so i'm not i'm not sold on the fact that sam fran did that to new orleans not in one bit somebody else but not new

i'm also not not not sold on this whole like the first half of the year we're talking about the patriots and the niners as historic defenses bro historic defenses i i know it's drew breeze but it's not two thousand 13 or 12 or 11 drew breeze and it's not the saints now i always looked at as closer to like an old Patriots team is very balanced. They do a lot of things well. They don't have tremendous strengths. And they went out there and hung up 50 on the Niners. I don't think you give up 25, 28 points to the cards two weeks straight.

I just, listen, I respect their defenses, but I'm just saying, let's stop doing this. Oh, this is a historic unit halfway through the year. Same thing with the Pats. Now, the Pats, though, they've had more trouble to deal with with the complimentary football issue. I mean, the first nine weeks of the year, they had their number one in time possession. Since then, they're 27th. So they're dealing with a lot of bullshit on the other end of it. So that's what I'm saying.

That's what a lot of fans don't like taking account, what's really going on, time of possession, you know, like, I think that's one of the biggest, you know, when you talk about, oh, they have a top five defense where they lead the NFL and time of possession. Yeah. Well, that's a reason. Yeah. I mean, they both go hand in hand. So that's a great point.

And offensive efficiency, and we know about complimentary football because we didn't get a lot of that in St. Louis. And we had some really good defenses, by the way. But before we get to the memories, the Ravens now, the Ravens, I would agree. Like with Lamar, if you're picking a weakness, and this is like a fun game to play, because I still think their odds on favors winning the Super Bowl. I think Lamar's done a tremendous job, you know, improved. I still think he's a very competent passer. We just can't, we can't ignore the fact that.

that if somebody cuts off that tight end safety valve, somebody's going to make him throw the ball outside the hashes for 60 minutes. And that's one thing I worry about. And I worry about that with any quarterback, really. I mean, those are the toughest throws to make. So this is an attack in the mor. I also worry about him getting dinged. He got dinged on Sunday or was it the week before.

He's doing like a thigh bruise. That's going to happen more and more in the playoffs. The physicality goes up. It's just all it takes is one plane. You got RG3 there leading you to the Super Bowl. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. So I worry about that stuff.

Talking about the Titans, are they the third best team in the AFC? No. They're probably the best team in the AFC South. They're playing the best ball. They're not the best team. Right now, then. Texas are the best team in that division. But right now, the Titans would probably be top five AFC right now.

I mean, that's... Where do you put them? I mean, you've got the Ravens, you got the Patriots, you got the Chiefs, you got Buffalo. I would say you'd maybe get the Titans number five. See, here's how, and this is a tricky thing, because we do this Power Rankin's thing. What does a Power Rankin even mean? Like, I think Power Rankin should,

if you're talking Power Rankings, you're talking about a team, not only how they're playing right now, but their future prospects based on things like home field advantage, history, the people in the building. If you're talking about the five best teams in the AFC right now,

I'm taking the Ravens one, the Chiefs, too, because they're getting the defense, together. People are getting healthy offensively. And I'm taking the Titans three. Is the team that's average north of 30 points a game since Tan Hill came in? And Derek Henry's been as good as anybody the last

year, 16 games. He gets better with time. I mean, he usually starts all slow. And even like last year, man, that big fella gets the rumbling. It's a good guy. You don't want any parts of him. Now, would you argue with me that right now they're a better team than the Patriots? I would. I would.

Why? It's just you just, I mean, everything that the Patriots and come on man they're the Patriots but right now I'm talking about right now for you if it was a game if they were playing Sunday you wouldn't pick the Titans over the Patriots not if it's in Foxborough if it's on a neutral I don't in Tennessee I got to take the Patriots I mean last year what happened when the Pat's last year the Patriots were definitely a better team they are now would you agree yeah oh come on dang it that's so tough I mean because you think about their first I mean nine weeks. I mean, the way they played

defense, their defense was lights out. And it was a compliment. Sometimes special teams were making plays. Sometimes they were also playing the, you know, they were also playing the they were playing the Sanford's of the world. Hey, well, since we bring that up, the Titans now, you know, they didn't, they hadn't been playing

no powerhouses either now. No, you're right. You're right about that. Okay. All right. Let's call it. State of Spain. I'm just, hey, Tannahill, who I used to could not stand when he was in Miami. I couldn't stand him. He bumped into me on the sideline like a tough guy after I ran him out of bounds.

You remember we played there in 2012? Yeah. And lost to them. He was new to the game. He was just trying to build some credit, man. I looked at him. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing, dude? Like you got Jonathan Martin blocking me.

I'm going to be hitting you all game long. But by the way, he's just looked like a totally different guy. Is that a byproduct of what's around him? or the offensive scheme. When he was in Miami, I wonder if it was Gase or was it, was it, Tana Hill?

Now I don't know. Yeah, I think a lot of it. I think him having success early on and then Gase, he's had, he's went through a lot of offensive coordinators even in Miami. It had Bill Laser.

I think he went through three or four offensive coordinator, which is a big deal. He ever got grounded, right? Then he has some success, right? And he's just been a great guy. And I think him getting shipped off really gave him a new perspective

on the NFL. Like it made, like it, And he didn't need to be humble, but I think the game will humble you. Yeah. And I think it gave him a new approach on how he was going to attack football. And I think that's what you're seeing now, a different approach. And the fact that what they're doing, I mean, they're running the football extremely well. So they're allowing him to make passes that are, I mean, he's doing really well, given the circumstance.

I mean, him being traded. And man, I couldn't be more excited and proud of him. No, that's great. And everybody loves Marcus Mariotta, but maybe he needs a fresh start. I'm not sure. There's no doubt he needs a fresh start. Absolutely. He's going to get a fresh start.

He will and he will. Do you think Tanna Hill is, regardless of the outcome this season, the quarterback of the future in Tennessee? You know what? I'm not the general manager. And you know what? You never know what they're thinking, you know? Do they want to get younger? Do they want to move?

I think for what I would want in a team right now, I think he's best suited for it to move forward. I don't know if that's a five-year plan, a 10-year plan. Hell, I would love to see him play. In Chicago? No, I think Tennessee makes... Oh, you're saying move forward with Tennessee. Yeah, for sure. I think Tennessee is going to sign them to a long-term deal.

I love that. I'm almost 90% sure of that. I love that. Now I'm a big Ten Hill fan. I got my buddy Darren Bates there, making plays on special teams. Our guy, it's just a fun team to watch. They went from a really physical operation, and they actually kind of, they've taken on that personality of their head coach and Brable.

You know, they're edgy. they play with passion but for a while it didn't play because of the quarterback position you just didn't have it and now you add the quarterback to that equation and they're kind of scary you talk about one guy Derek Henry it's getting cold

the guy looks like he looks like the predator he's 6-5 you don't want to be where would you tackle him in December how would you approach tackling him and take me inside the mind of a DB who's seeing him one-on-one in the secondary you just hope that somebody

slows him down before he gets to you. I mean, a lot of, you know, a lot of those bigger guys don't like to be hit low, but I mean, he's agile enough where he's making guys miss. So, hell, I'm not sure if they're, I mean, you go back to Stephen Jackson, those guys, like, you Sequan Barkley with Trump thighs, man, I'm not sure that there's a good place to hit these guys. There's not. You're just hoping that as the season progresses, that they're slowing down and that they want to be tackled and pushed out of bounds, hell, because they don't want to be hitting the knees. So I don't know if there's a good place to hit Derek Henry. I just know as it gets cold, and the season progresses, he gets better.

And that's what I'm excited about. And that's no coincidence because, as you know, some of these mistackles who you say, oh, he's making some of these DBs misses. I think some of these DBs are making business decisions, as we know them. Hey, you're damn right. They're making business decisions.

Exactly. Whoops, I hope. That was a bad angle. Whoops. Somebody else tackled. Yeah, I saw a lot of that two nights ago on Monday football with that rain coming down. Guys, late in the season,

tackling becomes a bigger deal. And I think with the new CBA, we love less training camp practices. We love less live drills. But this is where it really starts to show later in the year. And against a guy like Henry, who was the toughest guy you ever had to tackle running back? You know what Jones Drew? He was tough. That little, man, he was probably 5'4.

I don't know how he was 5'4-2-60, it seemed like. In Cleats. 280 and pads. Him and Fred Taylor together. man, we're two bad guys. But I'm going to go Jones Drew all time because he was shorter than me. Yeah, we had Gore and Beast Mode in our division for a while.

Yeah. And then you got, so you went from, you went from that division where you were tackling MJD, Fred Taylor, and then you end up in division where you've got to deal with those guys. Hey, Beast Mode is up there too now. Now, as you said that, good guys. Now, let me throw another name in the pot here, Michael Turner.

Bernard Turner Adrian Peterson you know what I'm still going with Jones Drew okay good because I couldn't get underneath them yeah no no who could even if you can't get underneath them I'm not getting underneath them so so I'm going to ask you real quick about some other news around a league obviously this week we've got the Pat scandal uh reports are don't figure yeah well I can tell where you're going to land on this one uh reports are developing listen you send advanced scouts everywhere. I don't doubt that some people might be doing a documentary on, on, you know, their advanced scout.

But it is kind of fishy with the history. Where do you make of this? You know, you know what? I think that, I think the Patriots mindset is always push the envelope. Yeah. You know, as for forgiveness instead of permission. I think that's what they've always been about, but they've always been about winning.

Yes. And if, you know, if no one's going to say anything, then we're just going to push the envelope and just see how, just see what the tips fall. And I think that's the biggest thing to, it doesn't, obviously, you still got to play the game, but to be well informed prior to, I mean, we talk about a huge advantage for guys and for teams,

you know, like if you, if you know what calls and sick, I mean, yeah, so how much, you know, so you're a defensive back. And for me, now, for people listening out there in 08, that was when they put the headphones in the helmet. So there were less signs that defensive players, relied upon how much nowadays are signals really being given in the defensive backfield by coordinators

and whatnot? Can you really even gain an edge? You know, I think it's team to team. I think it's based on the division. I think because you play, you know, obviously you play in the division and everybody's telling, you know, what, you know, signs and calls are. So I think when you have to be able to have, you know, your risk guards and be able to change defenses

because you're playing these teams, you know, twice a year. I think the division, the vision is the biggest games. When you step outside of your division, I'm not sure how big it is. Unless you've got your quarterbacks of the world, you're my homes, your guys that are really throwing the ball around, and you've got to show them a different look. I think that's where, you know, you pose the biggest problem doing that.

Now, you look at that and I don't know. I can't figure out what's wrong. But I guess it would be like, it's one of those things. If you have the history, you just, you would think you'd be careful. That's the only thing I, even if they're innocent, it's just like, But why? Why feed people? Is it that important to get the on-field footage of your area scout just or your advanced

scout just standing the fuck around? Like, is it that important? And you ask for forgiveness. You don't ask for permission. They push the envelope. They want to win that bad to where if it's no one says anything or we could just push the envelope and it's okay and we don't, no one reprimands us, why not do it? Now people, now people would say, oh, it's the Bengals.

It is the Bengals, and the Bengals just got Andy Dalton back. And the way the Pats are playing, they can't afford to lose another game. Because if they lose another game before Buffalo, forget about it. They're going to have to go on the road to play two different teams. And that's a big deal. Exactly. If you play in New England, you know how much of a big deal home field advantages. They preach it religiously.

Now that's going away. They lost at home now two games in a row for the first time in 23 games. So they actually had won 21 straight at home, I think it was, including the playoffs. So it's a big deal, man. Not asking you on a lighter note, we've gone scandals to pranks. You are one of the best pranksters I've played with. Yeah, here you go. Thank you, man.

Oh, I thought you were going to play it off like you're actually not. What are some of the best pranks you witnessed, and what's the best prank you pulled off? You know what? The best prank I've witnessed today, and I have to give it to you. I don't want to do this shit, but I got to give it to you was when we went to Seattle, And you had a carpenter build houses with mailboxes, literally build houses around people's cars. Christmas lights. With Christmas lights.

And the car was inside of it with mailboxes, man. And they were, like, that was phenomenal. Yeah, well, I didn't build the houses. We just, we, I got some good subcontractors. Right. That's what I'm the, to have a contract that come out and build houses around the car and guys not be able to get inside of it. It was 10 degrees outside, too. It was, it was one of the most ultimate pranks I've ever seen.

And kudos to you. Thank you. The D.Bs, you shouldn't have thrown ice in our room. But I spared you because we had kind of a... See, the thing of... For people listening, it's me and court, there was always this thing, like, we didn't fuck with each other.

And the accounts of why would vary from guy to guy because I would say, well, court's afraid of me, and court would say, you know, he's afraid of me. I just think we understood that neither... You ain't want no smoke. You don't want any smoke either. You isn't the same mindset. A prank has no...

With you and me, we would be doing pranks like grumpy old men. I know. At 85 years old, it would never stop. I would go. We did join forces. I would go broke doing pranks again. We would just go broke. We would just keep, I want to give you some credit, though.

I want to give you credit here. Because you totally neglected to mention the great prank you pulled off on, and we mentioned this on the show the other day, that you pulled off on the linebackers when you took their car. See, that was light. Yeah, that was. What goes in a light prank? Like that? I still got my...

What'd you do? What'd you do? I can't tell you on air what it is, but I'm going to pull it on somebody. Okay. And it may be you. I don't know. Don't do it to me, bro. You don't want to start that.

But tell the people out there, what did you do to the linebackers' cars that one day? You know, we were at practice and I saw an 18-wheeler pass by a car hauler, and I said, man, what a great idea it would be to rent a car hauler and put everybody's cars on it, on a Saturday walkthrough before a game. Yeah. And so I hired a guy. He put the cars on there while we're at walkthrough. He pulls behind the building and drops the 18-wheeler.

Up on the hill so everybody could see it. Everybody could see it. It was over the ravine. It was over the river, over the ravine, and up a hill. DeLay, I appreciate all these details. I wasn't trying to get you all these details, but I do appreciate it. And then he took the keys with him. And I mean, like, he was going to lunch.

And so guys were coming out going, oh, my God. Like, they didn't know how to get home. And so as I was leaving, one of the guys named Jolon Dunbar was walking by the bus stop, and I flagged the bus down to give him a ride. All I remember. And you add that to the mix of how great of a prank that was. All I remember was hearing was hearing the linebackers outside on Saturday. And guys are like, what the fuck, man?

My family's in town. I got to pick my kids up. And court's like, don't worry about it. And he walks outside. He says, your rides on the way. And I hear, you know, the sound. the bus pulls up. It's a fucking county bus or city bus or whatever.

And the guys, listen, that was one of the best pranks I'd ever seen. So we always had. And then you had to top it. Yeah, I had to top it. I had to top it. Best defense. How do those Rams defenses stack up against those Titans defenses as you were on? You don't have to pick one.

You know what? Gosh, I think they're very similar. I think they're very similar. I mean, you had a Vanden. You had a Vanden boss? You had a white guy. We had a three technique and two edge rushers. I think I've always, Javon Curse, then you had Albert Hainsworth in the middle.

You had a good lineback from four. I think you have Chris, you had you know, white lightning and black thunder. Then you had Brockers in the middle with Laroniitis and Dunbar. I mean, we were both top five defenses, so I think they're very comfortable. And then, you know, it's a Jeff Fisher kind of thing. We ran quarters, we did that. So, man, I think it's very comfortable in saying that the fact that it's just always been about hard And it was hard nose, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, we had a group. We had a group, man. I mean, from, you know, the front was as good, the best front I ever played on. We got more credit on those winning teams. You know, Fletcher Cox, unbelievable. Brandon Graham, great player, the depth we had, the Eagles. But this defense in St. Louis, the front we had, Robert Quinn to have 19, myself to have nine,

William Hayes to be a quote-unquote backup, who's as good as most starters in the league. with seven sacks or whatever, Eugene Sims. Aaron Donald was with us for a second. Kendall Langford, the whole group. I mean, and then we had Dunbar, we had Laronitis. I want to close with one big picture question. Best NFL memory, moment, play, game. What do you got?

You know, I think it was my first, my first ever game, being that it was my first ever NFL game that I ever attended, and I got to play in it. So I think for me, when you as a kid growing up, you always going to play in NFL, you always want to go to a game. Well, if you can never go to a game and your first one happens to be the very first one that you get to play, I think that's kind of, for me, I think that was kind of the icing on the cake. And then you fast forward to sitting at home and then be able to play in the Super Bowl,

which you like, you know, one day you want to do that. So I think those two moments, my first, everything in the middle was great. Yeah, because, of course, you were with Carolina for that Super Bowl. Yeah. And just the fact that, you know, no matter what role I played there, I got to, like, be there. I think that was pretty badass. Well, you came up from the tiny little school, Sanford. I have some. It's about as good as Virginia.

Oh, come on. Hey, we were just in the ACC championship. We're going to the Orange Bowl. You want to come see me down there? Hey, you ever heard of that bowl game? How many points? Did they pay y'all for that game? I got to go, man.

Was it like 60? This segment has to wrap. I was just about to talk you up and you start shitting on Virginia. One of the worst teammates I ever had, one of the least competitive. one of the least competitive teammates ever had and just a real piece of shit. Thanks for joining me, Cortland Finnegan. I love you too,

but I love you, buddy. See you. So Monday Night Football, yeah, for those of you out there listening, watching on YouTube, if you're tired of talking about the Eagles, take a quick break because we're going to talk about the Eagles.

This is kind of how this works. They played on Monday night. I used to play there. I also catch a lot of shit for sometimes giving you measured commentary on Carson Wentz, who has become public enemy number one in many circles. But a big win for the Eagles and one that I certainly knew was going to be relatively close. I took the Giants in a teaser, for those of you who know how that works.

They were nine and a half point dogs. I teased that number up to 16, or actually I got it at 10. So I had the Giants as 16-point underdogs, and I teased the under up to 52, I believe it was. Obviously, both those things hit with ease, as I suspected. What I did not suspect was that the Eagles would find themselves down 14. I thought that they would probably win 2417 or 2413, but, well, more like, yeah, 2413, I would have thought,

because that's why I teased it up. But I would have thought it was probably a 10-point ball game that the Eagles slowly pulled away in a sloppy one that was full of turnovers and suspect quarterback play. Even though I'm a big Carson Wentz defender, there's a lot going on there right now. That would lead you to believe that it's going to be a sloppy game with the drops, with the receivers,

as I joked on Twitter last night that have the shadow pictures on the website that means dudes you don't have a picture on the website yet they're just off the street or they're unsigned that's what Carson was working with I also sent some picks into the chalk production team we'll see how I did here on some of these prop bets when it came to Wentz I went three and two

I was I took the over on passing touchdowns that was set at 1.5 obviously he He finished with two. I took the over on Ertz's yardage. That number was 56.5. I think he had like 91 yards. And you knew he was going to be a safety valve. He also was over on the receptions.

Four and a half. He had nine. I hit that as well. You know, you look out there at people Carson can trust right now. It's pretty much Zach Ertz. I mean, even Dallas Garner dropped the ball last night in a big situation towards the end of the first half. I missed on the under for passing yardage for Carson.

I thought that he would probably win and throw like two touchdowns in a pick with like 200 yards. He was well over that with over 300 yards passing. And I missed on interceptions. The number was 0.5 interceptions. I took the over. I figured he'd probably throw a pick due to the bad weather, maybe a tip ball, maybe one that got away from him. after all it was raining cats and dogs there they had the field covered most the night when it came

to eli manning i went one and two i was correct on passing yardage uh the number was like two forty five and a half i took the under um of course for much of the first half there i was like holy shit i'm not going to hit and actually i put money on that one ended up winning uh not how i thought i might win i thought i might win because i thought they were going to be up 14 to 21 points the entire second half and they'd be milking the clock with sayquan and that number would settle in ended up uh under a little close for comfort and uh i missed on passing touchdowns at 1.5 and over on i nts i took at 0.5 Eli manning did not throw a pick and i know a lot of people took that bet uh i think it was like plus 200 or uh what was it minus 200 something um that he was going to throw a pick

Probably a lot of people lost money on that prop bet. Again, we have a two-win team parading out a possibly Hall of Fame quarterback who is now a backup in the twilight of his career, facing a five-win team that is under a lot of scrutiny. Won a Lombardi trophy two years ago. Doesn't look anything like that team in a driving rainstorm on Monday hit football, and everybody had to watch. as Booger McFarlane said during the broadcast, as we were getting ready for one of Carson's big drives late in the game.

This is what America wants to see. Did they want to see that? I'm not even sure anybody in Philly wanted to see that. I'm not sure anybody in New York wanted to see that, but the game turned out to be relatively thrilling. And we'll get to why there is some redeeming value when it comes to chaos in a division matchup like this. Again, when you look at for people, you know,

saying that win doesn't mean anything because it's the Giants, there are two-win team, et cetera. One, it's a division game. We saw what happened to New Orleans losing to Atlanta, 23 to 9 earlier in the year, a team that just scored 50 points on the Niners defense and a shootout. And another thing is, when you say it shouldn't be this hard

to beat a two-win team, just remember we're a five-win team and by we, I'm talking about the Eagles. We're not exactly the same team as I look at it. That team's not the same team as the team in 2017. And that's not a slight to this team. The injuries, personnel issues, they have mounted, and it is a different team. So no win can be taken for granted against the two-win team,

even with a bad secondary and injuries of their own. It started off really odd. It just felt weird. By the way, you had the land. intro of course they're doing a Star Wars promo and that that just I walked down or I sat down finally after a long day right on time you know you know that moment when you turn your TV on it's like that that well obviously the music has changed a little bit but you have I turn on my TV hit the pen Lando light sabers Carson Wentz

walking through that green laser thing that we used to walk through in the tunnel. And I'm like, I am locked in. I really wanna see this game. I'm excited about this game. And that's why football sells, no matter who's playing late in the year. There's some storyline, there's some drama

we talked about in the last pod. And the reality is, this is a team that controls their own destiny. So I turn on the TV out of Lando, driving rain, sideways rain, and you've got Abby Manning, Eli's wife, up in the suite,

Peyton's come in to watch the game. It was just a bizarre thing. I mean, it felt like a dream. You thought it was over for Eli a couple months back with his record firmly coming to a halt or it would seem at 116 and 116,

which I thought was relevant because I thought the giant, It's a very legacy-aware program, and everybody knows that the elephant in the room with Eli is that a lot of people are going to argue that he's not a Hall of Famer. I think there's some people that resent him because his brother's a better player. I think there's some people that resent him

because of his personality or the perception that he's kind of just this wet blanket guy. I don't know, maybe he is. I know he feels like a blanket when you sack him. He's one of the most comfortable quarterback sacks in the league. It's like just diving onto an Egyptian cotton 300-count thread duvet cover with a nice fluffy. He just dive in there. And he always closes his eyes and like squints and he's like, eh, he has like,

the funniest face when you sacram. He makes a noise. That's a bit of a tangent there. But I think a lot of people don't like him for a number of reasons. Some people perceive that because he was, he was apt to implosion at times and would have these really bad games and stretches, that it would negate some of those really heroic playoff runs.

When you are the guy that beat Darth Vader twice, of course being the New England Patriots on the biggest stage and kept them from having six, eight rings that's important. And it's no coincidence. They're the only team to beat them multiple times, of course,

the only team to match up with them in the Super Bowl multiple times. That's a big deal. And I think that should factor and we'll get into that in a minute. The whole book of Eli graphic was weird last night. I was like, is this weird?

Like this whole thing? Like, I just felt awkward about the entire game. But a bigger elephant in the room, possibly right now, than Eli's legacy or the Giants and what they're doing next year or what's going on with Eli next year. By the way, Eli says that, I think he told Booger and Tess that what he's learned backing up Daniel Jones, they never wants to be a backup again or a coach.

So that should tell you something if he continues to play. He might have unrealistic expectations, or maybe they're very realistic, or he's just going to retire. But the biggest elephant in the room was not Eli. It was Carson Wentz, who was his play. The last month especially, he has really taken a lot of arrows from fans and media alike. There are people that see his play,

which has been poor at times and inconsistent in the context that it deserves, rational people. And then there's people who are just fucking psychotic and he's the entire problem for the Eagles. Like they're blind to everything else going on. I mean right off the bat, you've got miscues, you have a fumble on a sneak, which I'm not sure, and this is me being transparent.

I wanna say you're allowed to do that on a, on a sneak in a pile because if he doesn't get it and he's short of the line to gain it's a turnover on downs anyway different coaches have different rules for that

like you know there's situations down at the goal line that you don't want to reach out at the goal line unless it's fourth in goal or you're at the pylon you know I'm sure Twitter erupted with criticism when he fumbled

you know the golden sack early in the game it looked like it was maybe a rollout. It was out of a formation you wouldn't think to roll out of. You had the line full sliding to the right. You knew there had to be something wrong with the protection. But of course, I'm sure people thought that was Carson's fault. It was actually Miles Sanders' fault. He was supposed to scan across and pick him up.

Even with a passing touchdown right off the bat to Greg Ward, who was the guy a year or two ago whose job it was to, simulate being to Sean Watson and guys like that in practice, he'd wear a red jersey and just run around on like Thursday and Fridays when I felt like shit and I'd be like, come on, man, you're too fast, you're too athletic, let's chill out a little bit. Stop breaking contain. Making me look bad.

Giving like 15 yards to run backwards and get the corner and then get yelled at by, you know, the coaches that were not ready. So that was like, that was his job. And by the way, I think Greg Ward is going to be, a nice piece, a developmental piece. But this is a guy that's been in and out of the program, practice squad guy, red jersey guy, um, shadow picture guy.

No offense. Love the kid. Think he's got a nice future. But these are guys that he's throwing to that have been in a league or haven't been on team lately. Um, even when he hit him for a passing touchdown early in the game, Phantom holding call on Brooks.

I believe it was, unless there was some other explanation. That's four points off the board because, of course, now they end up back at the 20 and they implode. I think there was a sack, a couple of missed cues there, and they have to kick a field goal. And Manning wasn't throwing to anybody either. You know, he threw the ball behind early on a couple guys. And I would understand why he's been cold for the better part of the season. he hasn't he hasn't you know had a live bullet situation um and he made a couple bad throws and of course

bugger's like let's see if he can get that fix real quick i'm like i don't know if he can get that fix real quick bugger this is kind of it's kind of raining sideways he's kind of throwing a bunch of guys i haven't heard of ingram's out um not really sure about that but he took some shots to slayton saw him roll out and throw it 50 yards rolling out to his right in his own end zone saw him complete the ball five straight times for a stretch uh by the way slayton's the first rookie to have multiple 100 yard games with two touchdowns since 2014 he joins good company there mike evans hernes and uh obj he had 154 and two touchdowns in the first half It kind of reminded me at Tori Smith in 2011 when the Ravens came to the Rams and Tori scored like three touchdowns in one quarter and it felt like a coming out party.

So to see a rookie like that who's been kind of unheralded because of where he plays, but he's played some good ball. He's got the big stage now. It's Monday night football. It's a little late in the year for a bad team to be on the big stage. It happens all the time. But it's a good opportunity for players like him to show out. and for him to be a rookie who hit that milestone that I just talked about, that was cool for him, not cool for Eagles fans.

Because all of a sudden you look up at 17 to 3, and you're like, this thing's over, dude. Like the season is over. And it was as if somebody took the defibrillator to, you know, the Eagles playoff chances and they woke up. You know, the injuries were piling up. You got Lane Johnson who got rolled up on. Thank God he got paid.

I don't know what it was, but it looked catastrophic. It's sounding like more, it's now an ankle. X-rays were negative, so that's good. You know, he got paid two weeks ago. So whatever it is, I'm glad at that timing. If you're going to get hurt anytime, it's better after that well-deserved for him to get the new contract. I hope he heals up good, whatever it is. Alshan, the non-contact thing, that's a yikes.

is usually when a guy limps off after making a break or starting his route coming off a line with a non-contact, you worry about Achilles. He said he felt something popping his foot. I don't know. You've got your receivers are jaws. JJ Artega-Whiteside

who's been inconsistent. Obviously a rookie. I think he's a third round pick. You had Alshan who's hurt. but hasn't been himself by the second quarter he's gone you're left with Greg ward jaws you got Perkins tight end nice developmental piece but certainly not a guy most people have ever heard of another practice squad guy and you have Boston Scott who does not look like a pro football player if you walk by him on the street but he's a great kid he works really hard another guy who's one of these

shadow picture guys well not for long because Boston Scott is going to be a popular guy in Philly and I'm I'm super happy for him. He had a nice night. But if they lost one more receivers, Josh McCown. And they panned to Josh McCown and Peterson talking during the game at one point. And I'm like, what are he talking about? Like, I know they talk about calls and stuff, but I wonder if at one point Peterson was telling Josh that, hey, you're next.

If one more receiver gets hurt, the 20-year vet quarterback is going to be our slot guy. you had drops like goddards before the half you had four three an outs in a row you know and bugger's saying oh well guys are open I need to look I need to see the all 22 I can't say that for sure but typically this year there haven't been a lot of guys getting open bugger um

and by the way booger doesn't seem to care for carson too much Carson gets crushed in the jaw by Leonard Williams um like at that point before they took the defibrillator to the Eagles at that distinct turning point I'm literally thinking there

and I've been on a lot of bad football teams you're talking about a guy who has a PhD and being on bad football teams being on a bad football team in Philly that's rough being on a bad football team in Philly two years removed from the Super Bowl that's really rough

being on a bad football team two years removed from the Super Bowl and getting your ass kicked by the Giants is a fucking nightmare and it's raining and I'm thinking at that moment, dude, these guys can't even say uncle. You can't quit because even if you keep losing, you're never going to be out of this race

until you lose to the Cowboys or beat the Cowboys. Like, there's no like just our season's over. And it felt like it should be for stress to that game and at different points in the season. but through all that they get off life support and Carson puts a team on his back and it wasn't pretty the whole second half

you know you had a big conversion to Boston Scott yet and then you have like a false start you'd have a bad snap you have a ton of third and lungs but there was a moment where Carson eludes a defender takes a deep shot

and you're like okay he's heating up here that deep ball looked really good it was dropped of course and then there was another drop by Greg Ward which of course Booger said that's going to be a tough catch the guy hates Carson through all that though

Carson led him on three huge drives in the second half 21 unanswered and that big throw to Earths with a rusher in his face in the end zone that was a big deal but even through all that you know if it's if it's irts catching his huts out in the end zone it's hey great route that's all bugger and tests had to say if it's that dime he threw to artiego

white side oh way to get off the line by our artega white side how about the throw the elephant in the room is that you think carson sucks give him his due because when he makes a bad throw we talk about it talk about the good ones too this was a big moment for Carson and the Eagles. I mean, obviously it keeps the playoff hopes alive, but I would argue that more important than the playoff prospect for the Eagles is Carson finishing this year strong

and giving the fans and the organization, who I know believes in him, because the organization knows what's wrong, it ain't him. It's more so about the fans of the media and himself, giving himself the confidence, with everything going on with like living up to Nick Foll's legacy for that little run, to signing the big contract to, you know, some lows he's had this year to the anonymous sources. This guy's taking a lot of arrows.

Hadn't won a big game, hadn't had a big moment. For him to come out and do that, that was big. And so I would say the rest of the year is just as important for Carson Wentz's future. Because to me, this doesn't look like a Super Bowl team right now. I mean, these guys have the right to believe that, and I believe they do, because they never say quit, they never say die, and that's in their DNA.

A lot of them, but being realistic right now, they haven't shown enough, and maybe things change, and they can get hot, win a divisional game at home, win another one, get a bunch of people.

I don't think it's likely here, guys. But you got to beat the Cowboys first, by the way, have never lost to the Eagles with Zeke. and I was there for a lot of those. The rest of the year is very important to Carson Wentz. I would argue more important to Carson Wentz going forward than it is to the Eagles franchise this year.

You know, I would argue that it's more about Carson finishing strong than it is even about making the playoffs. I don't know what you'd rather have if you're the Eagles, or you're an Eagle fan. I'll pose this question to you. Carson wins the next three games. Well, doesn't win the next three games. Let's say Carson puts up 40 points a game the next three weeks.

Looks lights out. And they don't make the playoffs. Or he looks like shit and they make the playoffs and lose the first round. Which one would you rather have? I know what I'd rather have if I'm an Eagles fan. I want my franchise quarterback to even amid all this bullshit he has to deal with, rise to the occasion, build his confidence, build the confidence of the fans,

and answer the bell. And I think he will. I think he'll answer the bell. Do they make the playoffs or not? I don't know, but the way he stepped up last night was awesome. For a guy that has entered the meme portal, as Ryan and I would say,

Ryan Rusillo would say, he really stepped up. And again, people saying it's the two-win giants. Well, this was the five-win Eagles. And it's not 2017. Frank Wright in there. Alshan's hurt. No deep shots. No Deshawn. No Tori Smith. You know, no right tackle. No Jordan Howard. We're forgetting about that. Jay Ajai. He's been off the street two weeks ago, off an ACL. You know, I tweeted this last night. This guy's out there in the rainstorm from the notebook wearing two gloves throwing to shit. shadow picture guys in the program.

And that's no disrespect to the guys in the program because before a lot of these Hall of Famers were Hall of Famers, they were Shadow Picture guys. But it's not ideal. Stop acting like it is. And as Joe Test said, eat that W, Billy, which was a bizarre way to end that, to end that broadcast.

Also want to shout out the defense. They gave up 27 yards in the second half. and that win was so Philly. And it's a Giants team again that played Green Bay close. And for context, that 21 point second half in overtime, if you're counting that as a half,

which technically you shouldn't. After halftime, no one scored more except for ironically the Cowboys on the Giants because the Cowboys put up 24 after halftime. The Eagles, once they figured things out with that terrible, terrible injury, I don't want to say terrible roster,

because I'm not shitting on the guys, but they did it. And that was a big win. I don't think the Eagles are a good team right now, but that was a good night for Carson. What it looked like to me was the third preseason game where most of the guys

are second string guys or third string guys, fighting for a job, and there's a couple vets sprinkled in there who might have got to camp late, coming off an injury, who are playing in the second half of a third preseason game. Like seven, guys who are depth guys, three, four pieces that are long-term pieces.

That's, it's just bizarre. It was bizarre seeing Boston Scott making plays, Greg Ward making plays, you know, Perkins catching the ball. And although it was chaotic, I think people were entertained by that. And that's why I would not like to take away the division winner having some sort of, I don't motivation to win the division? Because if you take away the division winner getting a playoff spot,

it doesn't matter who wins the division. And that's something that's been really important as a player and as a fan for a long time. Greenie on GetUp had a good point. It's an easy way to fix this is stop giving the division winner a home game if they have a worse record than the team they're supposed to play.

I don't know how that would work exactly. It seems pretty simple. Maybe there's an issue with that. But like, for instance, this year, you know, you wouldn't have a team like San Francisco or some other team. Say it's the Seahawks or whoever is the odd man out having to travel and play a team that probably goes 9 and 7 or 8 and 8. Where does Eli go? Again, I don't think he wants to finish his career with a losing record,

but I don't know that the opportunity is going to be there for him to continue it somewhere. that's going to be conducive to improving that number. And I do think he's a Hall of Famer, even with a losing record. He wouldn't be the only one, I don't think. So, again, Eli, Hall of Famer, Carson Wentz, not the problem. Eagles, not a good team right now. Defense, great job. Guys who are young and probably shouldn't be playing yet.

Great job. Shadow program guy, that's not an insult. You just played the game of your life. Boston Scott. Greg Ward deserves a lot of credit. White side deserves credit. Stepping up and making a couple plays. You know, it wasn't pretty,

but that was a Philly win. And a driving rainstorm back against the wall, rising from the dead. That was fun to watch. It was one of those things when the game ended, and I still root for these guys, you know, I wasn't just, jumping up and down, but I had to smile.

And that's got to be the reaction if you're a Philly fan. Those guys have no quitting them. They got a lot of fight. You can call them inconsistent, outmaned, injured, whatever. That DNA deep down, it's not the same team as it was in 17, but there's enough pieces in there that are going to make this team finish in a way that you can be proud of them.

And that's all I'm saying. Not claiming the Eagles are a good team, not claiming that Carson Wenz is an MVP candidate, but he's not the problem. And he showed that last night, and he got his first big moment. You know why he got it? Because he decided he could manage a game,

which was my biggest knock on Carson, know when to manage a game. He did that last night. The turning point was when he started hitting stuff underneath and they started moving the ball. And he took what the defense gave him, rather than trying to force things and make big plays.

And I know a lot of people said he put the team on his back, but I think that's a mischaracterization. He did what he was supposed to do, and he hit the open guys. And that's what you have to do when you have guys like that playing. So I thought there was a big deal for him, and he had his first big moment. I know it was the Giants, but this game,

a lot of people's jobs are in the line. His legacy as well included. and he showed up. We'll get into quick hitters real quick because I don't want to just focus on the Eagles, but we had to do it. That was the thing that most people are tired of hearing me talk about.

Me included. The Eagles. But it was a Monday night game, and that's what we do on this Wednesday pod. Yeah, to try to keep the folks attention, let's do some quick hitters. Let's do it. I want to implement a system here.

Okay. That has never been done before. A clock. Next to when you're making the point? Right. Never seen that. No. It's a great segment.

Yeah. Pardon the interruption. Let's just get right into it. So how much time do I have before I get into these? 60 seconds. 60 seconds to make a point about these very nuanced things. Are the L.A. Rams for real? I think they're better.

I think McVeigh is counterpunching. For a long time here, we wondered what it feels like a long time if this slide signaled that Sean McVeigh couldn't adapt. And this was the first time a really great table setter had to adapt in the NFL because of the personnel, because of golf. I think you take that win against Seattle with a grain of salt, other than the defensive performance, which is one of the best of the year.

I mean, you talk about them holding them to 12 points, and this is a team that's held opponents to 15 since Jalen Ramsey got in town. That's impressive. Offensively, they played good in Seattle the first time they played, and Seattle's been terrible towards the bottom of the league against tight ends. Tight end usage is way up. That's part of why the Rams have gotten better. O-line reshuffling, inside zone.

And by the way, Higbee, who went off against the Cardinals, and now the Seahawks, is the first Rams tied end since 1962 to go for 100 yards in back-to-back games. So it's a good sign for the Rams, but I would take it with a grain of salt. Damn, dude. Yeah. Nice.

Yeah. Talk to me about Baker Mayfield. Oh, man. I really like Baker Mayfield. like I liked when he came in that he doesn't shut up. I like the fact that he, you know, when I played him in the preseason, I met him, I was like, hey, don't stop. Don't stop talking.

Don't stop being yourself because I think there's an element that he brings to the quarterback position that's good that way. But I don't think he plans things. And so sometimes I wonder if he has the foresight to think about, you know, the fact that he's throwing his training staff into the bus. I think he was overcompensating for when he took the company side on Duke Johnson

and saw this an opportunity to talk good and stick up for a teammate in OBJ. By the way, trainers screw up all the time. A lot of times they ignore you. A lot of times they tell you the wrong shit and guys get hurt worse. My only thing is if that was really what happened,

I just wish he hadn't walked it back. Don't say I didn't mean to throw the training staff in the bus. You did exactly what you meant to do. Stand by it. There's nothing wrong with it. Three seconds to spare. Nice.

Yeah, his response typically is, y'all relax. Yeah, I'm cool with Baker speaking his mind. I'm just saying have some foresight, and don't walk it back. Yeah. Okay, Andy Dufrain is about to win the Heisman Trophy in a landslide. Your thoughts. Yeah, I think Joe Burrow deserves it. I think Burrow has been that magnetic guy all year.

in here where Trevor Lawrence started off slow and people are down on Clemson. Burrow has taken the nation by storm. And people are not down on Clemson. Dabo says people are down on Clemson. The media at large has been, I just listened to Paul Feinbaum. You're cutting into my minute though now.

Paul Feinbaum say they were playing against junior college teams all year. Well, that's rude. I mean, you have a lot of people who are underrating Clemson. I think you could argue they're the best team in the playoff. Agreed.

Okay, so I think Burrow, back onto my minute, might be the biggest landslide ever. You look at guys who had notable landslide wins, Charlie Ward, Ricky Williams, Desmond, Howard, Troy Smith, OJ Simpson, James Winston, Marriota. It's pretty interesting in that conversation that most of them didn't have, like, elite pro careers.

Some of them had pretty good pro careers. You know, but I think the Heisman moment for Burrough was just putting on that jersey with the E-A-U-X on the back. Agreed. First guy with the Heisman moment off the field. Michael Vic. Oh, yeah, the petition, right? So there's a lot of people who are saying,

you know, now it's a couple hundred thousand people at least. Several hundred thousand. Several hundred thousand people petitioning that he's not a pro bowl captain this year. And my issue with that is this. I don't really have, whether you agree with him having a second chance of things or not, he has indeed paid his dues.

And if you're complaining about the petition because he's paid his dues, I think you're forgetting the fact that he was allowed after Leavenworth, after hanging dogs, electrocuting him, drowning them. He did pay his dues. He went to Leavenworth. Men have been in our league

who have done much worse to human beings. He's been given an opportunity to make millions of dollars playing the game again. He has commentated the game, but what you can't guarantee, even with paid dues from a legal financial standpoint, giving all your money up voluntarily, paying off your bankruptcy,

you can't guarantee that people like you. When you do all that stuff, you just can't guarantee it. Do I think it's atrocious? Yes. Do I think he deserves a second chance to play football? Yes, but you can't guarantee that a petition's not going to happen. And we know how capitalism works and the corporate world works. And we over a minute? Boop, yeah, 10 seconds. Over. Basically, with corporations, you listen to people. And I don't know if 700,000 is enough or whatever it is. That's up to the NFL decide. This is how it works. We love cancel culture. If people want to cancel Michael Vic, you can't make them like them. I think, yeah, I think rehabilitation, especially in regard to our screwy prison system, needs to be acknowledged. Yes. Maybe not celebrated, but acknowledged.

Absolutely. Now that said, paying dues doesn't entitle you to likeability. Yes, and that's the point here. Right. Another point, the Pro Bowl is stupid. It's a shit show. And need not be played. And what the hell is a Pro Bowl captain?

I have no idea. Okay. The Kansas City Chiefs. Oh, nice. Kansas City Chief's defense. Now, this might be a team that's shifting to being a little bit of a defensive team. The past few weeks, the metrics have gone way up for them in a lot of categories. Chris Jones recently made a remark that said, you know, hey, you can count on us to be the reason we win games. And that's a big difference. You go from a team that that's your weakness historically to a team now that the offense is sputtering a little bit.

Last year, Mahomes had zero games under 240 yards passing. This year he's got like three over 200. And Lamar's a new shiny object for fans. So we're over Mahomes. We had some injuries offensively. And on defense, they're starting to play their part. They're picking balls off. They're creating turnovers.

They're better against the run. You got Chris Jones healthy. You got Frank Clark, who I thought was a big addition, making plays. I think they're more equipped to win games this year. I think the second best team in the AFC. And if you took the Pats best game statistically in a bunch of categories and put them together this year. Let me just say this, though.

The big question for the Chiefs is, can they beat the Pats? Well, the Ravens, too. They beat them at home, but the Ravens are a different team now. So you wonder if they can stop them. But with the Pats, this is the best chance they have to beat the Pats and get that monkey off their back. The Pats had to play lights out offensively to go there and win last year

and morph into a different team. Everything has changed for the Pats. Shout out Juan Thornhill. Yeah, shout out Juan Thornton. Richard Sherman has cast a Pro Bowl vote, apparently. Yeah, we have the tweet up there. It's Sherman asking for Michael Thomas to be in the Pro Bowl, and the Pro Bowl is coming up again.

Listen, nowadays, yeah, and he tagged the wrong Michael Thomas, evidently. So evidently some dude working at a paper mill is going to the Pro Bowl. I don't know. I've got a guy on my club. who goes by the name Michael Thomas and wears 31, who got boom roasted for a touchdown to Zach Ertz on Monday night. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, so that's not a civilian.

I doubt it. I'll look it up now. Did he cast the vote for Michael Thomas? My friend from the Giants, by the way, who's one of the best special teams guys in the league. He's your friend. Well, yeah, I would say we're friends. Cool.

Do you know where he went to school? No. Stanford. Oh, yeah, Stanford. Yeah, that's the one he tagged. Oh, okay. So then he wasn't tagging Michael Thomas the wide receiver. Well, no, he intended to.

So are we sure now? Yeah. Okay, because he just got done playing the Saints, and the Saints balled out. And he tweeted that before the Giants played. He was talking about at Camp Guard Mike, which is a great handle. Yes.

Receiver for the Saints Michael Thomas. I'm just making sure. Because initially I was told afterwards that he tagged the wrong person. I'm figuring he tagged just to nobody. He tagged my friend Michael Thomas from the Giants, formerly the Dolphins, great special teams player. My minute resumes. Here's my thing with the Pro Bowl stuff nowadays.

And hey, listen, I never made a Pro Bowl. In years when I bawled out, I still didn't go. When I was snubbed, even after that year, I never asked, you know, two years snubbed. I never asked once. I never got online and said, hey, vote me to the Pro Bowl. That was a lot, like, that was kind of like not a cool thing to do back in the day. It's become the norm to ask and beg for pro bowl votes.

And the problem I have with that is I'm fine with it if you deserve it, but you've got to be like one of the best in the league. And there's a lot of guys who are asking for pro bowl votes right now who just aren't pro bowlers. Now, Sherman's been awesome. He's asked for pro bowl votes for Buckner, who I love. He should have been the pro bowl last year. He's asked for pro bowl votes for other teammates.

And now he's doing it for an opponent. I think Sherm is secure enough in who he is to do that. and I think Shirm's just a pretty solid guy. Yeah, as a watcher of your career, do you know what I think is the coolest achievement, accomplishment thing you've ever done? Tied for the most sacks of all time on a 2 and 14 team. Nah.

Okay, I'll keep guessing. Don't care about the two Lombardis here. I do. Yeah, don't say man of the year. No, I'm not going to say man in the year. Thank you. And I wouldn't care about a Pro Bowl. The coolest thing by far to me is that you finished 10th in the Heisman voting.

And I'm not kidding you. Yeah, I did. I did do that. As a college sports fan, the Heisman voting, we just talked about Joe Burrow. Yeah. Is the deal. It is the deal. And you got votes.

I got votes. Who won it that year? I don't know. Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow, yeah, that was true. I wasn't expecting to win the Heisman. Well, I know, but getting votes is cool. How many people ever had 40 sacks in four years and didn't make a Pro Bowl in the history of the game?

I'll say at least one and I'll go with one. No, seven total. Oh, okay. Seven since 1980. Do you know your company? I did know my company. I'll go back and look at that. Doesn't sound like you're bitter at all about it.

No, not really. I mean, like sometimes when I see people who are shitty at football being like Pro Bowl vote, I'm like, come on, bro. Some of us never made it, and actually we're good enough to make it. I'm going to really quickly read you the 2007 Heisman voting. Okay. Tim Tebow won it, followed by Darren McFadden, Colt Brennan, Chase Daniel, Dennis Dixon, Pat White, Matt Ryan, Kevin Smith, Kevin Smith, Kevin Smith. Running back UCF.

Okay. And C-Long with one. first place vote, two second place votes, and ten third place votes. Wow, whoever gave me the first place vote, I must have done something nice for them or something. You want to talk bowls? Yeah, let's talk bowls real quick. Maybe we'll talk bowls more as bowl season. Yeah, I think we'll get into that Friday.

We'll do a big segment on Friday. I'll ask you and you have a minute. Three bowls you're excited about and why. Okay, the Independence Bowl, the walk-ons, and I don't know what walk-ons is, I purposefully didn't look it up. I kind of want to get into purposely versus purposefully at some point too.

Yeah, at some point, yeah. The Walk-on's Independence Bowl is in Shreveport, Louisiana, formerly the Poulon weed eater Independence Bowl. Of course. The Who's One? Of course. In the 90s with your guy Mike Groh. Yep.

And it features Latech in Miami this year. I just like the idea of the Miami, the U. The U. The U. I'm timed out. Yeah. Going to Shreveport, Louisiana.

Okay. Taking their turnover chain to Shreveport. Yeah, I like that. I mean, that's not really sexy. Holiday, no, well, I'm not going for sexy. No, I know, no, I'm saying for Miami, that's probably not the sexy setting. It's low-key cold in Shreveport. Correct.

Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl features FSU in Arizona State this year. I just feel like those people, they might have never met each other, those two fan bases. Kindred spirits. But would get along in a heartbeat. Kindred spirits. Yeah. At the Tony, the Tiger Sun Bowl. Holiday Bowl is always a great game.

Iowa, USC, maybe two fan bases that don't share a whole lot of interests. But yeah, two top 20 teams. Great uniforms. Great uniforms. You asked for three. Those are three. I remember the holiday bowl with Darren Sprouls and Terrell Suggs facing off back in the day. It was an all-time classic.

For me, it would be Washington, Boise in the Las Vegas Bowl, Peterson who's leaving Washington. It's a very interesting guy. I read a character, personal personality piece. What do they call that? A profile? Yes.

Yes, I read a profile on him. They played Boise, his old obvious stomping grounds, and lost in 15. Yep. So does he get some revenge on the way out? And then I think you forgot to mention these bowl games. I didn't forget.

You gave me three. I mentioned three. No, but you didn't mention the military bowl. What about it? I respect the troops, UNC Temple. Okay. That seems like a long time ago for UVA. The military bill, yeah.

We got crushed. We did. By Navy. That's right. We're much different now. We're much different. The first responders bowl. So I care about the first responders as well, Western Kentucky and Western Michigan.

Any bowl game that salutes the troops or the first responders, All about it. You omitted those. Let's get out of here because we've run long. Hold on. Orange Bowl, I just got to say, since we started with 62-17 loss to Clemson, I'm fired off about the Orange Bowl. Oh, yeah.

That line is way too high. Just fine. I think the Who's listened to how much they don't belong for three weeks and go down there and win a ball game against the Florida Gators. and the New Year's six might need some rebranding. Yeah? Two of those ball games on the 28th. Orange Bowl is on the 30th.

Yeah, that's a little confusing. Two games on New Year's Day. A little misleading. But we, this tier bowl, we've been to arguably one of them, the Sugar Bowl in 91. It's cool. It's the Orange Bowl. I'm excited, bro.

That was the coolest one that we could have picked. Yep. See you there. See, oh, we'll see you there. We might be able to do a pod down there. Oh, that's neat. Talking about sharing a house. Yeah.

You didn't know that? Yeah, but I'm excited about it. Yeah, whatever. I mean, you got the beautiful team hotel on South Beach or sharing an Airbnb with you. And my kids. Yeah. Oh, Uncle Macon.

Didn't realize the kids were coming. Didn't think about that, did you? Yeah, but way is enjoyable. Yeah, so is Luke. Don't want a short change loop. Yeah, definitely don't. That's pretty much it. We got Michael Strayan coming up this weekend on the fish bowl.

Keep an eye out for that. Keep watching or listening to Greenlight. I am your host, Chris Long, and that was Making Gunner. It was. And it still is. Y'all take care. Take care.