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Episode Date: May 25, 2021

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To me, LeBron James' legacy is cemented. Every victory adds to it. Of course, he wants to catch Jordan. LeBron, whether he gets there or not, I just, I don't think any of that is defined by a playoff series and a pandemic year in 2021. I don't. Adrian Wodeznarowski. He's so famous, I got his name right, because I'm really bad when the syllables go over

like two or three. I struggle when we get into the four, even sometimes in the one. you said Bill Simmons has trouble pronounced pronounciating he has trouble with the pronunciation of whom? Everyone. Simmons can't pronounce names

and then so I will text Ryan and say dude get a hold of your boy he's not able to say names and there's one in particular Malik Monk down there in Charlotte monk is a word you should know how to say

No, Monk, they wear the baggy brown bath robes and they shave their heads. And Simmons, God love them, says Monk, Malik Monk. Just like the monks. It's just like the Spanish monks. And so Ryan spoke to me today through the Bill Simmons podcast. And I appreciated that very much. The point is Adrian Woj Naurowski is coming on our podcast. Woj, Woj, Boge bomb.

We're huge fans of Woj. And when I reached out to him yesterday, because we didn't have a guest, it's like par for the course on Mondays. Well, I mean, what do you want this? Booked out weeks in advance? No, I don't. Okay. I like to be able to adjust mid-flight.

And the flight dictated that we have a killer MBA guest on. And so we are taking flight, so to speak, with Woj today. We're not going to drop any bombs. He's not just, you don't know that. Remember? We don't know that. Yeah, with the whole like stick around. With the, yeah.

These, uh, these, these, Woge doesn't just broker information, Chris. He analyzes ball. I love the guy. Finger on the pulse of ball. The ball is just pulsating. And his fingers on it. He's the best.

He's the best there is. Grateful for him. So he's going to drop a little knowledge on us and a few. You want to say hello to the people out there? Bangor, Maine. Hello! Bangor Main straddling. the Pinobscot River straddles it, just stands right over it.

That river just stares up at Bangor's balls. To say that, I signed a contract, by the way. Hey, were you going to? Well, I like to respect your process to break your own news. We should have, whoa, break your fucking news, dude. Okay. We're idiots. Yeah, Makin signed.

Thanks. That's great. we were going to do a whole high school hat thing and we can still do it we'll do it another day we'll do a we'll do a we'll do a thing um boy did i struggle boy was it a bumpy bumpy deciding between bangor and bangor may should have called bill simmons yeah that's right uh it seems as though the people of bangor can even struggle with it i went to a main source who said bangor Hold on a second I got a source for you One of the only people I know from like New England proper Okay

I'm on the record though I'm rolling with Bangor Ryan Rosillo Okay call his ass Greenlight pot I got a quick question Me and Macon Is it Bangor Main or Bangor Maine? Yeah hard OR Hard OR second salival

Bangor That's great would Bill Simmons have gotten that Not if he was a wing That got like 23 minutes a game Malik Monk, baby. Malik Monk. Just like the monks, Bill. Hey, thanks for that information, Ryan.

We knew you'd have the right answer. Yeah, Maine is a real weak spot for me, New England-wise, but I feel good about it. So good luck. Considering it's geographically 90% of it, maybe brushed up. You know, a lot of people don't know this, but a lot of towns in Vermont are named after Connecticut. And originally, the people that were bounced from Connecticut

It went to southern Vermont. Okay. A lot of people, I know the Vermont history is an offered at a lot of universities. He's on my corner. Being weird is my corner. Get him off my corner. A lot of us kind of looked at it just as a colder UGA. We were there.

That's what we used to. We have T-shirts to say public ivy. And despite the loss of the Terps, you know, I just. Oh, my God. Did you see that NBA news that just dropped? I didn't. You got to go check it out. Okay.

Take it easy. So it's Bangor. Megan just sniff the marker. Why did you sniff that Sharpie? Oh, I can answer that. To get high. No, no, no. I'm wearing the shirt that smells bad.

Oh, so you're trying to get the smell? Yes. Why you just get a new shirt? I don't, that's a good idea. But this is just like, you know, you have a shirt. New deal, new shirt. Really? Anyways, we were talking about Bangor.

Yeah, hello. But there's been some discrepancy into how to pronounce name. It's clear it up now. Yeah, Bangor. I think when you want to sound like you're some sort of aficionado on a place, you go with an alternate pronunciation, but the folks in Bangor don't care for it when you say Bangor Maine. It's Bangor Maine. It's kind of the making of cities. Yeah, I guess so. Macon to me, maybe it's the 34 years with it. Seems very obvious. You know what seems obvious to me? There's an O in the words, so just sounded out. Bangor, Maine. Got some good news for you. Okay. really good news for you. On my end, I haven't told you.

Got some great news for you. It's about me. I haven't, well, it's relevant to you. I haven't told you this, or maybe you did know this. Maybe you're the person who told me,

but I forgot about it over the last month. Telephone company called. Oh, they're burying the power lines. They're burying the telephone poles. Could be related to yours. I forgot about this. I don't know how I didn't think of it the whole last week

as you were lamenting all your, your CenturyLink issue. With my client, yes. With your client, they're actually burying the power lines on Redacted Street near my house. Bro.

Greatly improving my view shed. Near my house two, near this client's house three, Dominion, the power company is doing right by everyone. They have come up with the modern day solution. Yeah.

CenturyLink, on the other hand, is trying to use the 18th century solution. Century Link should go service the characters on Downton Abbey. To the 21st easy, to the 21st century problem of

telephone lines that get knocked over by trees. Put them in the earth. Century Link is making people chug alcohol before the amputate their limbs. They're burning witches at the stake. You're smoking cigarettes. You're pregnant. What else are they doing? Yeah. They're not bathing.

Dominion. It's today's power company. We made a touch of progress and we've gotten many more voices to join the whatever the hell. And listen, we talked about CenturyLink about five, six days ago. We're not dead yet. No, that's true. So we got to keep talking about this until we get into the assassination zone. Layup line. Flossin by Mike Jones. Mike John.

Sort of right. Mike. Mike. Who? Who? Who? Mike Jones. Do you remember the famous football player, Mike Jones? How could I forget? I mean, how could we forget?

I think I'm thinking of Michael Johnson. No, I'm thinking of Mike Jones. Mike, there was, you know, the funniest thing was I think there was a Michael Jackson or a Michael Johnson who played for the Browns around the same time. Yeah, Michael Jackson. Yeah, and then there was the Michael Johnson, which was confusing too, because there were multiple Michael Johnson's, one being like one of the fast guys in the world. Mike Jones.

Who? Mike Jones I had to mouth who so you would play along and by the way flossing is one of my favorite Mike Jones song Last time you flossed

Oh man it's been a couple weeks Yeah okay My teeth are crowded You're on an invisible line I'm on invisible line So it's just under construction You know hey this this on ramp Is gonna look a lot better in a year

Just pass it Don't think of it For the next 34 weeks or whatever Years 52 I'm a little ways into my invisible line Where I was You're nice straight even teeth are going to look great with that gum disease that you're working on haven't had gum disease

yes man flossingin is overrated not the song flossin um fletcher cox text me earlier uh no context context picture of because he knows i like the song flossing uh his serious satellite radio playing said song so i said hey fletch that's our layup line today dang request from fletcher cox of sorts and gore we love mike jones the football mike jones where i was going is the guy who made the stop on the one yard line just came to me in the super bowl that actually I hate Mike Jones respectfully because he he kept my friend Jeff Fisher from getting a ring Tennessee Titans but people in St. Louis who I love probably love Mike Jones in fact I know they love Mike Jones because that was quite literally the tackle Bob Dylan's birthday is today happy birthday Bob Dylan

he's 80 octogenarian he's an octogenarian by the way do you hear that they're like dividing up millennials like into different classifications and we're supposedly the 1980 to 1985 they're called the geriatric millennials you've taken that word and really run with it with your just whole vibe but geriatric millennials were the ones that are like the glue of our workplaces and we drive success for this country is what I read I had to break this to you I was born in the year 1986 oh I hate to hear that because you're just a regular millennial Damn. But your birthday is July 9th.

That's right. Yeah, it's on my birthday list that I just put together. Thanks, man. You see how things changed when I just put it on a list? Yeah, March 28th for you, I think.

Yeah, thanks. I appreciate that. Committed to memory. But Bob Dylan. May 24th. Yep, it's his birthday today and also tonight is Kenny Maine's last sports center.

So everybody, I hope you tuned into that. Happy Trails on to the next one. Yeah. For our friend, bigger and better. Bigger and better. But Bob Dylan is 80 years old,

which means one, it's real. I'm sure a bunch of people in our parents' generation, like, when they see that Bob Dylan turns 80 is like, golly, time is marching on. I'm not like, I really love Bob Dylan, but I'm not going to sit up here and talk like some Bob Dylan fanatic, but I'll tell you a few songs I like, okay? Hey, Mr. Tambureen man. Would that be your favorite? A song for me. Maybe not. Jeff Garland said, tangled up in blue. Yeah. Do you remember what I said? I'll go even more chalk like a rolling stone.

Like a Rolling Stone's a good one. I'm not as into tangled up in blue. My favorite was Girl from the North Country with Johnny Cash. I had, I worked a little list of five here, in no particular order, outside of one. Shelter from the Storm is probably two for me. I mean, that's an incredible song. Simple twist of fate. You ain't going nowhere.

And the funny thing about a lot of his songs are, they're great covers. People have been covering these songs for eons. In fact, you ain't going nowhere. I like the bird's rendition of it better. Simple twist of fate, I think Jerry Garcia knocks it out of the park. He's a team player musically. I mean, like, you know, the great thing about Bob Dylan is people love covering his music. And a lot of times you'll hear songs that you didn't even realize were covers all along the Watchtower.

Did you know that's a Bob Dylan song? I did not know that. I'd say probably 75% of people, and the further we get from all along the Watchtower being a fixture for our generation is like, classic rock. Less and less people are going to know that was Bob Dylan first. It was Bob Dylan first. Jimmy Hendricks, right? Yes, it is.

Plays it. Yeah. Dave Matthews Band. Yep, which is the Red Rocks live album that DMB did is incredible. But I just think it's interesting. We were talking about covers right before we came on because I was talking about the band, the song, the group the band, as being super underrated. Reed, I saw him like,

humming along when it came on the shuffle. There was the band song. And what do we get into talking about, Reed? You said that I said I love the band's rendition of Atlantic City. He said most people think that the band originally did Atlantic City and they don't know that the boss originally did it off Nebraska, right? That's the conversation we had. Right, yeah.

And that's what I think that most people think it's an original band song. What say you listeners? I'm not sure. I've always, and I think a lot of times, with covers, it's just, it's whatever you heard first, not to be too obvious, but I just always thought more popular singer doing it first probably gets the territory.

And I would think Bruce and Atlantic City, you don't think so either making. Oh, yeah, no, I think it's the band song. That's what you think of. It's more, it's ubiquitous. Oh, ubiquitous. Yeah, if you probably type in Atlantic City, you're getting the band's version.

That's so interesting. That's so interesting. Because to me, it's the boss. I mean, to me, the boss, Asbury Park, Atlantic City, you know, the whole like kind of mob undertone, the Jersey thing. Yeah, the chicken man. They're not talking about like flightless birds, talking about chickens. So you know what that means.

And I just don't think of the band as that kind of band that deals with chickens and mobsers in New Jersey. So the wait is the weight a the band song? The weight is indeed a band song. Another thing, if we're talking about music, is I saw a real concert this weekend. I got to see Moon Taxi, a devil's backbone here in Charlottesville, in Roseland. And they were awesome. They sounded great.

And, you know, we were in pods. We had like little four-person pods. But it was real music. It's another reason everybody's back. Also, shout out to Tommy, my boy Tommy, who's now a friend of the program. He said he was listening to Green Light on his way from Roseland, Virginia to his destination. So big shout out to Tommy,

plays bass guitar for a moon taxi and was just on the raw room. So check them out on our friends pod, Raw Room, Darren Bates. Great show too. Willie Nelson, Outlaw Music Festival, been there once in Syracuse, New York. Syracuse has bad juju, no offense to Syracuse. Just a bad juju kind of upstate New York,

beautiful place. But when you touch down, it feels like something's wrong. Maybe that or I had a massive hangover. You don't feel juju when you go play? Like different cities have good vibes. Some don't so much and you can't tell you why. I guess. They can't tell you why?

I guess. Really? No, I'm saying I feel energy. I guess. You don't think energy exists. Do you think energy exists in places? Yes. Yes.

And it's dictated by whatever's happened beforehand. Or maybe your previous experiences with the place. Well, we beat Syracuse in 2004 in one of my first games in college. first games in college. Actually, sophomore year was 05. They like to call it central New York in Syracuse, not upstate. Is that what they say? Whatever it is. It's all, you know, non-New York City. It's basically the whole state is upstate New York to me. But maybe it was the fact that I forgot my contact lenses and I got them right before the game because it was a miracle because my mom flew up the day of the game. And the stress from that, you know, situation, which would

have rendered me blind in my sophomore season, second year season. Maybe that's carried over. And when I went to a show in 2016 or 17 to see Willie and my morning jacket at Outlaw Fest and Syracuse, I was feeling the bad juju. I think if you're from Syracuse, you know what I'm talking about. The elephant in the room, the bad juju. What did y'all build that town over? Shut out manliest New York at Nellen Griffin. We can keep that moving. But Willie Nelson, Outlaw Music Festival. he's back at it he's 86 you talk about Bob Dylan's 80 Willie's 86 and he's still crushing it

I mean Bob's still making music but Willie was amazing when I saw him in Syracuse and I went up there to see him in Jacket I audibly gasped did I not when I saw the outlet what I thought was the outlaw music festivals lineup through and through you did I mean you were like what

it's got to be my power lines no telephone lines yeah whatever it's just your clients anyways Chris Long, three tackles yeah pretty good game too one pass deflection sometimes that means you just

you don't get a good rush you got blocked I agree I basically subtract that from my stat line I don't want it I mean it might have been a stunner jam or something maybe a twist but yeah you got your hand up where Algro just slanted me

into three blockers in the A gap Quinn Ojanaka who I play with in the pros was a tackle opposite of me he was older than me. He ended up being great guy by the way a pro wrestler.

Wow. Yeah, he's a pro wrestler now. He's down to like 2.30. Vanes everywhere. He used to be three plus bills. Tatted. Yeah, did you get through three picks in that win?

Oh, why'd you have to bring that up? Well, hey, power through. It's sometimes, Chris, if you learn to use the adversity right, it can buy you a ticket to a place you couldn't have gone to any other way. Apply that to. a real estate situation that you've been involved.

Sure, sure. Multiple bid situation. You get beat out. Cash is king. We have a financed offer. You lose out on the house. Oh, next day, bangorang, the house on two and a half acres comes available. We wanted more space. We want to spread out. We have two dogs. We have two kids.

Thank God we didn't get the one beforehand. This seller likes what we have to offer. They're wanting to, they're wanting to accept a finance bid because they, once upon a time, we're in the shoes of the the aforementioned homebuyers with the financed offer. Man, did you just black out?

You weren't even looking at anybody. You just, you know, I can tell that somebody's like really either knowledgeable or into what they're talking about as they just look around the room. If you ever want to impress somebody, I just can't focus on one thing. So I hope they'll think I'm smart.

I just can't focus. But if you ever want to impress somebody, just look around the room while you're talking. Coach Mendenhall looks straight up, which I think is, kind of cool. I haven't tried to apply it, but he won't look at you.

He'll just look straight up to the sky or the ceiling. I like what he's doing, but I would say like look around. Just look around a lot. And what was I doing? You were just staring at the floor. Yeah, I don't know what else.

Like you were conjuring up real estate hypotheticals from under the rug. So let me read you the Willie Nelson lineup as I thought it was. Like I thought these motherfuckers were all on one big luxurious bus. Willie Nelson, Chris Stabledon, Sturgle Simpson,

Government Mule, Ava Brothers, Nathaniel Raitliff, Ryan Bingham, Margo Price. I mean, like, the list goes on. A lot of great artists, I would think, you know, would expect nothing less from Willie Nelson, especially the respect that he demands. And also, when you're 86, you don't know, like, which year he's going to be like, yeah, I don't feel like touring anymore. So for these artists, it's a chance to be a part of history and to tour with one of their idols. Chris Stapleton's at only the opening date in Texas.

But in Virginia Beach, gonna have Sturgle, government mule, too many concerts in September. Too much jacket, too much Bonnaroo, too much Willie Nelson. Good problem to have

because as we might have seen over the weekend, things are turning. At least in the sports world, things are turning. Which is you just did a great segue and segue into the housekeeping section of the pod. The good,

bad and the ugly. Something I made up out of nowhere. I think I said this to you verbatim like two months ago. You were like, ah, yeah. Got anything better? Well, you know, you said to me, best part of your weekend, worst part of your weekend.

It just needed a rebrand, dude. I don't think you could comprehend the good, bad, and ugly. Now I know that you can. It's great. It's quicker to say. Because good, bad, and ugly is better than best and worse.

Thank you. It is. Yeah, thank you. You're welcome. A couple of pros. You see how I flipped that bird? good, bad, ugly, okay? It had it all this weekend.

The good, first and foremost, as far as sports are concerned, and there's no end to the pandemic. I mean, I hate to tell you, a lot of people are still struggling. A lot of people don't have vaccines. We're going to be dealing with the ramifications of this for a while. As you know, you don't have to be a doctor, a freaking doctor to know that.

Well, you know how we get flu shots every year? Like this virus is here to stay. Yep, it's here to stay. But the pandemic, as we knew it from a sports standpoint, I think is at the very least, like down the home stretch. Well, at the very least, it's now at your discretion as a fan. Yes. If you want to head to MSG and watch a ball go.

You can head to MSG. You're allowed to do that. You can head to MSG. And I thought this weekend, the pandemic, the pandi, as I've been calling it, yeah. Is that right? Yeah, is somewhat over when it comes to sports. I mean, you had the PGA championship, which was awesome. and we'll talk about Phil in a little bit.

Speaking of he's calling me right now and I'm about to talk about his brother on the podcast. Is that incredible? This has been happening to me a lot lately. Our friend, aka D. is calling me right now. His brother this weekend put $50 down on Phil Mickelson

to win the PGA Tour Championship at Kiowa Island. Oh. In a simple twist of fate. Or on a Saturday or Sunday. He bet this on like a Thursday. Okay. Simple twist of fate. Phil Mickelson.

is back in like, you know, early 2000s form. And he is, I guess, leading going into Sunday. Mm-hmm. Looking svelt. Yeah. So, brother, he takes this bet and he goes fishing. And he decides, I don't want anybody to call me. I don't want to know what's going on.

I have a chance to win $15,000. On 50 chickens? On 50 chickens. What? What? What? 1,000 chickens, yeah. So my man goes fishing

rather than watch the tournament on Sunday. If you're holding 50 chickens, I could turn into 15K. You need to get into gambling. Yeah. What are you doing that Sunday? Are you going fishing like this lad did? Actually, yes.

My version of that is fantasy football where the stakes are, depending on how you look at it, greater or lesser. And I can't watch the ball games. brother is literally just blocking out the whole situation. So 300 to 1, eh? 300 to 1.

15 large. That's like a freaking Kia. Yep. Shout out to Ashley Schaefer. But sports are back, man. Not that you needed golf to be crowded like full of people to, to say it out loud. But sports are back. I mean, the masters, we watched that handshake line at the end.

And I was like literally, I can see the COVID. going from Bubba's hand to Matsuyama's hand. And then you can see it leave because you saw Matsuyama in the airport in the B terminal the next morning. So like you literally saw hypothetically how COVID could move around and you were like,

I don't feel like everybody's on golf's level right now as far as willingness to open the doors back up. But this weekend you had not only the PGA Tour Championship and more of the same from golf, raucous crowds. I mean, it was nice. And then... Some fellow trying to close.

Plaw Brooks Kepka in the knee. Nancy Kerrigan situation. See, shouldn't we call that like a Tanya Harding situation? I understand you're the victim. The victim. But we should probably associate it with the... And do you feel like most people do the Nancy Kerrigan thing? I think so.

That's interesting. Yeah. It's a thought. Because like he got Nancy Kerrigand. Yeah, you're right. But really he got Tanya Harding. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, let's work on that society.

Well, I didn't see it because me caring about golf, like a ton lasted as long as. as the masters did. I was watching it as landscape porn, I realized. He was gorgeous, but... You and my daughter both. What I was mostly doing was watching basketball. And I was watching Madison Square Garden, the mecca of basketball in my eyes,

as a Knicks fan, I'm biased. But maybe in all of sports, when you think about stadiums and arenas that are going to be here after we're gone, that are really actually ancient even right now. I have a hard time imagining Madison Square Garden ever being leveled, you know, ever being rebuilt upon. I could see it being improved upon,

but I can't see it like being knocked down and then putting up a new MSG, like a soldier field type situation. I think you brought up a Fenway Park situation. Because there was talk of new Fenway back when we were, I don't know, in high school or so. And thankfully it didn't happen. We've got enough new stadiums. There are not enough MSGs. and to see that building full of fans,

not only like out of the pandemic, but also with this long drought the Nix have had, was really special. And it was undeniable to anybody watching. And for people to say, Knicks aren't popular, like scroll through your Twitter yesterday. You'd either think we had a bunch of new Nix fans,

and yes, I'm being protective, like, you know, that was my favorite team. And I don't want to see a bunch of fucking dorky millennials, like hopping on the bandwagon now, like young,

like millennials, not geriatric. millennials like me. I'm just not excited about that element of it, but everything else is so exciting right now when it comes to being a Knicks fan and really being a sports fan. That was loud. There was a moment in that game where Julius Randall hit a three and you thought he was breaking that cold spell that lasted like probably 90 minutes after the game. They're trading fucking threes. It was like watching Western Conference basketball five, seven years ago. It was that that quality of offensive of basketball and people were freaking out. And I didn't like the way it ended, of course,

but you had to be happy with sports this weekend. Sports were back and it felt good and it was sudden. Like it just kind of happened. That was the good of the weekend for me. Couldn't agree more. It was like a switch was flipped. I didn't realize that the czar of sports determined that the weekend before Memorial Day weekend was a time, but apparently we're here. It's been, like a long year and from the downs of you know think bills titans you know think like it was monday night and it should have been it was supposed to be like thursday night and half the team had you had in practice and you were like this is the way sports are going to be the next four years or something you know to the the dodger guy with covid running out of the dugout to take the picture

and everybody's like what the hell is going on here to missing march match match which was probably the most hopeless time as a sports fan is when they canceled that thing. And they just, they did not ease us into the pandemic. No. And your boy ain't no stop in Obie Top and those Dayton Flyers never got a shot. For me, the most depressing moment of, of Pandy Sports was the bubble.

And though it went off without a hitch, I guess, as Woj is about to tell you, it was like a TV production. Yeah. I mean, piped in sounds. no fans. You're on lockdown in Walt Disney World.

It was just all gross for me. And now you're seeing that without a controlled environment, Le Brangang and Anthony Davis can't win anything. Go sons. And if you hate the Lakers, it's been a good weekend too. But you're right, that was different. I just wouldn't say it was my low point.

To me, I actually looked at it a different way and I'm not being like a dick, but like as an athlete, as a pro athlete, I just look at it through a lens of, okay, these guys are out here. This is like, they're doing an incredible service. And as a consumer, yeah, it could suck,

but the athlete part of me definitely bled into my memory of that. Like think about the eeriness that we talked to Danny Green on the podcast about this, of like when the lights go out, the noise stops, and you walk out of that building and you look back at it

and you just played the biggest, your life in the building's like this off pink stucco and it's like probably smells like shit and you probably exit the side door and you can smell the dumpsters in the dead of summer and you walk back to your Disney World Suite. It's just a weird situation. It's like the most fucked up high stakes AAU tournament of all time. As an athlete, I thought about all that and was just like this is really cool. And it's also something where they lifted people up when we needed it. We really needed something at that point like in the dead of summer and they did it. But you're right. I thought it was a big deal. I thought it was a bigger deal than it ended up being. I remember the playing game

when Devin Booker hit that game winning shot and I went on and I was interviewing Ryan Rissillo. I asked him, I go, where do you think this Devin Booker's shot's going to go down? I mean, it's like, this is a moment in time and what a big shot. I haven't seen a game winner like that in a while and he just laughed at me because I was just a prisoner of the moment. I was a prisoner of not having any sports. And when Devin Booker hit that shot, I lost my shit. And now I don't, to prove his point, I don't even remember what it looks like. I didn't remember what that shot looks like. He ended up on the ground. I don't remember anything else. Me neither. So yeah, there was a blur and I think we'll always look back on it and say, not the best moment,

but one that we needed. Now, the bad of the weekend was, yeah, Tray Young reminding everybody that in a sense were still the Knicks. Yeah. I mean, to climb that hill, to have that raucous crowd to trade buckets with the really exciting Hawks team to go down to the wire and look like you're going to win it and Trey Young to hit that shot. By the way, can we get somebody that can guard Trey Young out there on the court in the final seconds? And can we get an inbound pass that's actually going to lead to a shot? That was rough. With the game on the line. I mean, I don't want to rant too much about

the Knicks, but... And because Tib's the guy, you know? He is the guy. He's the reason they're there. And so, like, you know, I'm just like, come on, man. We're better than this. That was the bad of the weekend. For sure, that was the bad. The bad for me that was not sports related. My wife is now full on sleepwalker. Oh boy. Oh yeah. She just walks in her sleep. It looks about how it sounds. Well, I've heard this before, but now what is it more consistent? It's dangerous. Well, I just get more brazen. Um, you know, first a few nights ago, I'm on the toilet at one in the morning trying to, you know, do my business. I'll leave it there. And I hear footsteps and the door just swings open

and I get hitting the side of the head with a roll of toilet paper. Yeah. Thought you needed this. As she's sleepwalking. She's asleep. You called me. You told me you needed toilet paper.

She hit me with the toilet paper. I couldn't convince her that I did not tell her I needed toilet paper and could you please shut the door? So you're told not to wake up a sleepwalker. Actually, you know what's funny? I wasn't taking a two. I was doing exactly what I've talked about on this pot.

I was sitting clothed on top of the toilet doing work at one in the morning. Having some alone time. Just having some alone time. And she, we need to talk to somebody about sleepwalking. Well, we definitely do because a couple nights later, I got a little fan by my bed to blow the vape smoke. So I don't have to set the, so I don't set the fire alarm off. One trip to, one trip from Charlottesville Fire Department was enough. And I could spin that to my kids at three in the afternoon.

into this thing where, hey, I just thought you guys wanted to see the fire trucks. Can't do that three in the morning so well. Anyways, I get this fan, and it blows, as fans do.

And I wake up in the morning, wake up at three in the morning, and I wake up to my wife trying to have a conversation with the fan. You know, just like, kind of like, it's time for you to get to bed,

that type of thing. She thought the fan, which is, smaller was our two-year-old Luke. Yeah. And she's trying to put a fan back to bed. When you wake up, do you know every time that she's sleepwalking? Oh yeah, mostly.

When she opened the door with that roll of toilet paper, I was like, well, that's really sweet of her, but seemed random. And then I realized that she wasn't with us. What's the sign? Does she look different? Mostly not knowing what the fuck's going on. Eyes? No, just looking at me.

It can be pretty unnerving if you're afraid of your wife. I'm not afraid of my wife. but still bro I don't so she's completely normal just being weird yeah she's just being weird okay sleepwalking it's a thing

people really do it are you sure she's not putting on a skit no she's not putting on a skit be a funny funny ass kit to put on like petting us an oscillating fan and what do you do hey you're asleep

go back to bed well you don't want to be too forceful because they say if you like wake up a sleepwalker they're gonna attack you that's what I'm saying but I think that's a cliche because I think I I have been like, hey, go to bad man.

And she does? Well, it might take her three, three or four prompts to realize that she's not a hundred percent. And so then she wakes up and goes back to bed? She'll be like, she'll kind of all of a sudden, you'll see like a little bit of acknowledgement in her eyes. Maybe not so much as like my bad,

but like, fuck I'm walking while I'm asleep again. And then it's like, good night, babe. Okay. Yeah, it doesn't happen every night. I don't want to make her out to be like I don't know what notable

figure walks in their sleep Mike Barbiglia Oh no It's not like she's the people in stepbrothers Right Step brothers Like would have microwaving

Cushins and shit No she's not violent She doesn't do anything that's really harmful She just pets Oscillating fans And make sure I'm loaded up on TP And Sometimes ask me where the kids

are it's like three four in the morning why is he in the room it can be creepy yeah but she's hot and she's really sweet and she's a great mother and she's like my best friend so if that's in the in the in the minuses right that's the worst and one worst thing and and and when she does you know accidentally shave your head off while she's sleepwalking no big deal no big deal because i've Invisaline now and I'll look good whatever you throw up on top. You can have a smile like Lane Johnson. The ugly. That wasn't a segue with intention.

Oh. The ugly, the blues lost. That was ugly. Series was over before it started. Clean sweep. Shoot. Reeds Colorado avalanche. Hmm.

Go abs. Like I like to say. Bunch of hippies. That was depressing. But we got a ship in our back pocket. And then the cat. Cowboys are having an ugly Monday. Remember when Nathan Peterman caught astray from Devante Adams?

Knife and Peterman. Just sitting at home and Devante Adams was like, he was trying to conjure up some metaphor of like the worst quarterback of all time and he picked Nathan Peterman just off the top of the head. That's catching astray. Well, the Cowboys caught astray from Julio Jones today when Shannon Sharp called him on the cell phone in the middle of first take. Is that the show?

Is he on the one with Skip Bayless? Undisputed. I'm terrible with this. I don't watch a lot of TV. But Shannon Sharp called Julio Jones on the air was Skip there and was like, what's up, man? Like, what are you up to?

And Julio was like, oh, leave in Atlanta. Like, I'm not going to play here anymore. And then he was like, hey, do you want to play for the Cowboys? Because Skip's sitting right there. And Julio's like, no, I want to win, L.O.L. And this is on TV or not? This is on TV. Wow.

So it calls a couple things into question. Number one, people are asking. I asked initially, did Shannon really call him without warning him who's on TV, which I don't think Shannon would do that unless they have some like agreement where, hey, if I call you on Monday, you know we're on TV. And if you're picking up, you know you're going to be on TV. I don't think Shannon would do that, former player. I also don't think I think he's very smart. Hey, if I call you. Yeah. Tuesdays at 9 p.m. Yeah. You're on speaker. And whatever I say, you just agree with, like fervently.

Is this a marriage thing? Yeah. Just if I need it. Tuesday, 9 p.m. In my back pocket. Wife alert, wife alert.

Tuesday 9 p.m. Whatever it is, you just have my back 100. I'll set 100. I might go 200. Okay, great. But serious, that's good to have a time for that. Yeah.

Like, well, Chris, Chris will tell you. Right. Well, I'll call him at 9 o'clock. He's busy till then.

Chris said he's busy. Until 9. Until 9. So I'll call him at 9. Hey, Chris. Hey, it's me, Macon, I just wanted to run something by you.

What do you think about this? Give me your honest opinion because I told my lovely wife, X, and then you just bang, you hammer X, X, X, X. X, X. X. What are the buttons? What are the buttons I'm shooting?

Yes. Get shots off. X. Yeah, I would hammer X for you. You let me know, 9 p.m. Thanks. So I just think it's funny that we've reached the stage in football history

where the Cowboys are catching strays. Like people are out loud saying, I don't want to play for the Cowboys. This is America's team. Okay? This would be like the Lakers who have been more successful in recent years,

but like the same popularity. Free agents saying, I don't want to play for the Lakers. How bad do you think it's gotten for the Cowboys when players like Julio Jones are like, nah, out loud. Jura doesn't like that very much. That is the cap to an ugly one.

long weekend for the Cowboys. Hey, Woge coming on. You got a better one. My bomb? Yeah, better bomb noise. Oh, I thought yours was. I'll do the bomb shelter. Woge bomb coming at us.

Hey, I do want to talk about the Lakers game though, and we're going to bring that up with Woj. I hate the Lakers so much, like historically that I, it's bleeding into my perception of LeBron. And I hate that because I'm always such a big LeBron defender and all that stuff. but a lot of people are talking about how long he stayed on the ground and a lot of people are talking about some of the theatrics with the eye and I'm buying into some of that. I mean, I'm not hating on LeBron.

I love LeBron. But this shit is a little bit much. Kevin Durant, I love Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant to me, like people, whenever I'm like, no, Kevin Durant's like one of my favorite players. I just liked his mentality and people are like, what, he has a burner. Okay, he has a burner.

But like he's literally 100,000. 180 pounds, 6-9, he hit the fucking deck like he fell out of a three-story building onto hardwood the other day and just popped up. His eyes didn't even change. Like he just was like real calm, almost mad. Like I'm going to go into the next. And I'm not questioning people's injuries. I mean, fucking basketball players, they generally stay down longer than football players

and all that stuff. And baseball players, the toughest sport. But it was a little much, I do think. And also the Lakers are not sorry. Maybe I'm just not that good of basketball fan, but if Lakers fans are trying to sell me on this thing or LeBron fans are trying to sell me on this thing that it's just him, I'm not buying it.

Not buying it. By the way, speaking of why I'm not buying it, I mean, you've got role players like Andre Drummond, not to mention a Batman or a Robin, depending on how you want to look at it. And AD, you've got Montrez-Harrell just showing up. If you haven't watched a Lakers game all year, you're like, oh, these motherfuckers are on this team.

Like, I know they're not pieces. pieces, but this is not a bad team. This is a good team. Schroeder. Shruder. Shruder. Option C. Yeah. Names. And by names, I mean, I can't pronounce them. But there are names on this team too. Listen, good team, not buying the, uh, what was me thing. Not if they lose. I don't want to hear the woes me thing from, listen, arguing about basketball is American as apple pie, arguing about goat conversations and I'll ask Woj about it. I don't know if he thinks it matters as much as I do. Woge is going to have an interesting answer. My answer is that, you know, when people argue about this in a locker room, who's the goat, MJ, LeBron, people, if they lose this series,

we'll bring up losing to the Sons with a hobbled CP3 if that's indeed what he is. Go Sons. Yeah, that tells me where you stand. But I like they're fun, you know, like it's going to be a fun physical series. So without further ado, we should get to our guy, Woj to shine the light on all the basketball stuff. We don't know, which is most of it. Another thing I want to say, Derek Rose is good, officially. Officially a good player. Again, and he's probably been one longer than most of us knew. Adrian Wodge Norowski. Hello! Fresh! Hello! With Hello Fresh! You get fresh, pre-measured ingredients and mouth-watering seasonal rest. delivered right to your front door, skip trips to the grocery store,

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This is a long bomb. Yeah. This is a long bomb. Woj, how you doing, ma'am? I'm great. I'm great guys. Thanks for having me. Oh, thanks for coming on, man.

First things first, we had the play-in thing. You say, what? Did it work out well? Did it go swimmingly for the NBA? Yeah, I think it worked out great, partly because they had LeBron James and Steph Curry in the play-in. Not sure you would have imagined you would have had the Lakers in a play-in before the season, you thought you might have the Warriors without Clay Thompson.

So certainly that drives a lot of ratings. I think if you look at the numbers, probably the two players who drive ratings more than anyone else are exactly that. LeBron James and Steph Curry. And so to have them in the same game, obviously the game did great numbers. It was great interest in it. But even after that, what Memphis did going into Golden State, then obviously they went on to take game one against Utah. but I think the league, for a couple reasons, the lead up to the play-in, which was teams jockeying, you know, to get to the nine or ten seed or to stay out of seven, to stay six or higher. I think it created some interest and some buzz at a time of the year where typically that isn't the case in the league's standings.

And, you know, I think the NBA knows the teams knew it and the league knew it when they put it in. that they've got to create more of a competitive element to the regular season, that the 82 games in a normal year, this year it was 72. You know, it's fallen a little bit flat for some people, for a lot of people. And so they need to find ways to juice it up. I think they did that. I think they've got a formula that they're going to stay with. And then there's another, I think there's another step for the league to take.

And that's going to be the midseason tournament that they're going to bring back up with teams in this, perhaps as soon as this off-season and see if they could get moving on that because, you know, viewership habits are different and also just attendance in arenas now as we move forward. People can be back in arenas. You know, I think they've got to find ways to get people engaged in regular season NBA basketball.

I want to get back to the mid-season thing in a second, but with the play-in thing, one thing that intrigued me is such a player-friend league, me coming from a league where they tell you just do it and you don't get days off and that sort of thing. It felt like possibly a less aggressive way to say, hey, not get your ass out there on the court and play most of the nights, you know, play 70 games a season at least if you're a star, but there is something to gain from you being out there playing. That's right. And certainly a big part of it was seating and wanting to avoid the play.

And if you were one of the top six teams, you got, you know, like six days off, five, six days off, almost a little bit of a mini camp before the playoffs. But I think a lot of the talk about how teams manage the minutes and the mileage on players and veteran players. And I know sometimes people want to just put it on the players in the NBA and say, guys don't want to play. They don't want to play the way guys in another era played. And you go back and you look at the minutes and how many games star players. of a different generation played and played long careers. You know, much of this is driven by organizations and it's driven by their sports science. And the investments that they have in players, hundreds of millions of dollars, you know,

max players who might be on a $120 million deal, $160 million deal over a long period of time, they want to manage the health of those players. And so while I think there is, it is a two-way conversation. And I think, and you made a great point, Chris, about how it's viewed in the NBA and how we're the leverage is in the NFL. And we'd all agree the owners in the NFL, the organizations have much more of a hold and impact on how this might go. Because ultimately, I think the nature of the contracts, non-guaranteed contracts. versus guaranteed contracts are a big element of it. But in the NBA, you know, a star player has much more of a voice in how his health is going to be managed

and how he's going to work with an organization on it. So I do think there's a two-way street here. But the league, certainly while they want to keep guys healthy, they want star players on the court for fans, for television, all those things. And the 82 game regular season makes that hard. and this compressed 72 game season this year, obviously guys complicated that because you had, especially some teams who in the second half of the year had to jam in even more games because of postponements to the teams who are still playing went through that Washington and Memphis.

So if it is a two-way conversation, we'll push back from people like Mark Cuban and LeBron James. Granted, they both made their comments when they were a part of the 7th through 10. push back from big names like that come into play in the offseason and moving forward? No. I think it was those frustrations were seen in the context of where they were. You had Mark Cuban who was backing up the comments of his star player Luca Donchich and again, a Dallas team that was hovering there and a Laker team that would have never expected to be in that situation. You know, remember, this is all bargained with the Players Association. Players Association has to be on board with any of these changes,

a play in tournament, a mid-season tournament, a 72-game schedule versus an 82 game, whatever it is. That has to be collectively bargained. It is. But I think, listen, it's conceivable. And Adam Silver said this last week. It's conceivable. There could be some tweaks to the play-in. But I think the format itself is here to stay.

You talked about the play-in. The mid-season tournament is now something that's floating around, and you've spoken on a little bit. Can you tell our listeners what you think of it and what that's going to entail? So essentially it would be, it's kind of a European soccer model. Adam Silver likes this idea a lot.

It would be, you would basically bake pool play into the regular season schedule, whether it's five or six games of a stretch of time that's in your regular season schedule, your record in that. The best eight teams is what, they had had about pre-pandemic when they were going through this and negotiating it. An 18 single elimination tournament.

The winning team, they had discussed $1 million a player for the winning team. And it would be, again, somewhere around the midpoint of the season. And again, trying to put some drama, trying to put some juice into the regular season, but also trying to find ways to create more revenue. And obviously through television, through sponsorships, finding a way to just make more money. And so again, that's something they've got to agree to with the union. That was being discussed around the time of the play in pre-pandemic. Play-in was voted in.

They never took that mid-season tournament vote to the board of governors, the owners, for the vote they needed. I don't think they had the votes to get it passed so they didn't bring it. But I do know they want to revisit it now. And, you know, essentially, again, something to break up the monotony of this long regular season. Now, the questions that were raised from on the team's side, number one, you're going to lose two home games. And so for the big market teams that might make anywhere from three to four million off of a home game, can that money, can they at least break even on having to do that? because you might play instead of 82 games,

78 games schedule, leaving room for you to be in that tournament. Not everyone's going to make that tournament. And then the fear that star players who are making, you know, at the top levels of the league income-wise, $1 million versus I can have those five or six days off by not being in the tournament,

would they choose that over playing and grinding through to win this mid-season cup, whatever it is. You said something that made my ears perk up, because we were just talking about this. I feel like, and without even hearing the mid-season thing, whether it's the sponsors on patches on your jerseys, whether it's the player mobility, the visibility, the nature of being able to see the faces of your superstars, the global nature of your game, the load management.

It's not a fuck you American fans, like football fans that also watch basketball, but it is like some acknowledgement that our game is more global than it's American, and we're going to look more like some of the most famous successful leagues around the globe. And that happens to look like soccer to me. Do you ever pick up on that outside of the midseason? Yeah. And I think, you know, but with the midseason, you're right, Chris. And I think, again, that's something Adam Silver was drawn to and how that worked, the success that they've had with it in Europe. But it's foreign to the thinking of this league. It just doesn't, how do you create value for a midseason tournament? What does that mean to anybody. It might have more value to younger, up-and-coming teams, certainly a team that's

defending its championship or a team that really believes it's a championship contender, is it going to have as much value than as opposed to like, let's take this Memphis team right now? Would that be a team that would say, hey, this has value for us to grind through, win it? You know, John Morant, your best player, he's not on a max contract yet. That's Jaron Jackson, Jr. He'd say, hey, that's a team there that would be motivated. I always thought that, especially with that, the mid-season tournament that it would behoove Adam Silver to get the best 25 and under players in the league and get them into, bring them into New York when the teams come through or go spend time with them and really sell them on the idea that for the future of this

league, for the salaries that you want to see continue to increase, and for allowing for the fact that viewership habits are changing and we just can't keep it. the way it was. And except that like this cash cow is going to just continue to pour money into the league, that we need you guys. Now, the guys who are the 30-something MVPs and who, you know, who might be on their last deal or second-to-last deal, maybe it means less to them.

But I think the younger players to really sell those guys, sell their agents on the importance for the future of the league to, to be committed to it to talk it up because the worst thing you can have as a league is to have your best players with something like this come kind of shrug their shoulders about it because if I'm a fan and I hear guys going well I don't really care about this yeah well why should I care about it and sometimes we get that with the regular season where you have team sitting guys and we're not playing back to backs and if I'm a fan and I'm going to a game and you're telling me like this game doesn't mean much to you why do you why would I buy a team?

picket for a game or a stretch of games, you keep telling me doesn't mean that much. And I think that is a narrative, a reality that the NBA's got to address and change. And ultimately, you need your star players selling that. It doesn't matter what Adam Silver saying or anybody else. It's a players league. And I think they've got to be invested and believe in the reasons why you're doing the thing. And because you've given them the freedom to speak their minds to a degree, Draymond would probably think otherwise, but like the players are going to speak out on things that are interesting to them and not.

And whereas the NFL, it might be more like, hey, we just push the propaganda that this stretch means something to us. And I think it's probably a consideration. What do guys say when they go up and they talk to our fan base? So you've got to have the buy-in. Like that makes perfect sense.

MSG last night, I kind of thought of it as like, hey, this is the pandemic is not over, but for sports fans this was with the PGA championship and then me being a long-suffering Knicks fan you see on the laptop here so maybe I'm biased but I felt I'm getting chills thinking about last night it was sports

they were like okay the switch is flipped it was like you just woke up one day and MSG had 15,000 people in it to me what did you feel watching that no you're right Chris and it was like they turned to faucet on yeah it almost felt over the weekend like they turned a faucet on in sports Not just the Garden and the Knicks Hawks game, but, you know, probably even that PGA event,

Phil Mickelson winning and seeing the crowds. It felt like it was, it felt like a turning point, I think. And all of a sudden in the NBA, you've got, you go from virtually no fans to a sparse amount of fans to now, like home court advantage matters. Philly was rocking with half capacity with the Sixers yesterday. And, you know, Madison Square Garden, it's, it's, It's been a long time, not just a long time having fans, but a long time before, since you've had a playoff game and a team that people were that excited about. And now all of a sudden, that's a real thing in these playoffs in the NBA. Last year we were in the bubble and the playoffs came.

You didn't even know who the home team. It didn't matter who the home team was. We were sitting essentially like on a TV set on a spaceship somewhere. And the game would end and they would shut the pipe, piped and sound off. And everybody just walked off the television set. That's what it was in the bubble. Now you feel all the pressures. And as a player, I'm really curious because, like, take Anthony Davis and he made his championship run with the Lakers in a really sterile environment in the bubble.

You're not getting booed on the road. You're not getting chaired at home or you're not getting booted at home, which is what happens sometimes in big, tough markets. And now all of a sudden, those elements are all back into play. And it changes the dynamic. Like we know the difference between great players who can do it at home away who are going to deliver whatever the conditions and circumstances around them. You know, sometimes role players play better at home with the crowd. Sometimes role players don't, you know, have the impact on the road in that environment. And that's what separates guys.

But now all those elements are back in there. That's what to me made what Trey Young did last night in the garden for Atlanta, even more impressive. the first playoff game of his career. And it was like the Knicks had a, I joked with his agent, Omar Wilkes last night. I saw him after the game. And I said, like, New York's got a new villain. You guys made a lot of money tonight. That was my next question.

The league's got to be happy. Maybe they don't want to hear the word fuck mouth. But I can't help it when I do something like that as an athlete. I've got to say fuck. So I don't blame, Trey. But probably the NBA and Adam Silver are like, yes. This is maybe not, it's premature to call him the new Reggie Miller, but this is a moment that you're going to remember because of this drought,

and all of a sudden you wake up and I'm like, the Knicks are playing in this game where it was they were trading threes and people were on their feet. And you talk about role players at home. Burke was going off. Yeah, it was just so much drama. And to end like that, you were like, maybe we have something here of a rivalry. And those fans kind of, and as a Knicks fan,

they might have deserved it with the chance early in the game. So I just, what does it mean? J.A. Dunday said the Knicks are not important west of the Hudson. And I vehemently disagree. I think the country would probably disagree the way Twitter was talking about them yesterday. But how important is it to have the next relevant again from a financial standpoint, from a brand standpoint, the whole nine yards? No, I think it's huge.

And, you know, Nate McMillan got fined for saying it last week. He was right. I mean, I think what he got fined for was saying, we're probably not going to get calls on this. He said something about the officiating and we'll probably have calls against us. I think that's what they popped them for. it is important for the league to have their big markets be good. And the Knicks, it's been so long. And they're a team that drives, you know, there are Nick fans everywhere.

You go on the road and see even when the Knicks aren't very good, Nick fans pop up in any arena that they travel to. There's no question. I think it's important for the league. It's important for, and having now both the Knicks and Nets and having, you know, something of a revival in New York. And as great as the Nets have been and what, they're on the cusp of maybe winning a championship,

maybe winning multiple titles. The Knicks are still the team in New York. They're still the team with a fan base. And the garden is still a garden. It's still a mecca of basketball. But there is a whole generation of players who've grown up in the NBA, who grew up who are young players in the NBA who've never seen a good Knicks team, who've never seen a really relevant Knicks team.

And so it does kind of change the dynamic a little bit. But it was awesome to see MSG and what it looked like last night. And then what it'll be for game. to Wednesday. You think that bothers the Nets that, I mean, they wouldn't say it outwardly, but the fact that they've done all these things right. I mean, they've assembled probably the only super team that I would count as like a real super team proper, the way we were talking about it five years ago.

And they've got this beautiful stadium. I mean, this arena is gorgeous, but people are still talking about the NICs and the lost and found pieces that they have across the city. Yeah, I think the Nets have gotten a ton of attention, Chris. I really do. I think they've gotten from the, day they signed KD and Kyrie Irving and obviously made the James Harden Trade. I think certainly nationally they get there's as much focus on them as any team in the league.

I mean, I know the way we cover it at ESPN. I would say they and the Lakers. The Lakers are always, it's always going to be there for them. They're going to be on first take a lot. I just don't personally give a shit about the Nets. Except for Joe Harris, our guy. Our guy. But it's interesting to I mean, the Knicks have done on one end of things. Literally, it's like a lost and found pieces collection, guys who have been refurbished and having second chances to an older building that's got all this history to the new shiny stadium and all the guys

that flocked there to form this super team. And I wonder, do you look at this and say, did we overreact to the super team thing? Because the Nets are the closest thing to it, and I still feel like this playoffs until they prove it is relatively wide open. I mean, outside of the Nets. I mean, the product has not been ruined by super teams at this juncture.

No, and I think what you're seeing, I mean, Chris, in the NBA, nothing lasts very long. Like none of these teams last very long. They come and go relatively quickly. And it's, I think it's the world we're in, but it's also this league that it's pretty rare when any of these super teams have great stang power. And we looked at Golden State. I mean, think of LeBron James and Chris Bosch joined Dwayne Wade. in Miami and you thought, and they got up and they said, we're going to win five, six,

seven championships and you thought, you know, why not? Why wouldn't they? Yeah. Well, it didn't last. And if not for the Ray Allen shot, and I know there's always a play like that. You could put that in any championship run. It's true. You might have won one title. And so same with the Warriors. KD goes there and you think, what is going to stop the Warriors from dominating this league for as far down the road as we can imagine?

Well, it doesn't stay together. These things are combustible. and I think if you're the Nets, you look at this thing and go, like, we better win one this year. Who knows? Who knows how it is all going to change and how the pieces do they stay together? And so I do think, I know there's always a lot of grumbling about the super teams, especially with the smaller markets that we can't, you know, we feel like AAA teams to the big markets. But the movement is constant. And so I think you're right.

It's not ruin the league, but it does create a villain. it does create a team that everyone sometimes either wants to move for, root against, and it creates some lightning rods. And again, this Nets team is as talented as we've seen. We haven't really seen them play together that much.

They've still played less than 10 games or right around 10 games together. Yeah, on the season with the three of them together. So I don't know who they are. Again, the same thing out west. You're talking about LeBron, having not played a ton of games this year. All eyes are on him. But I don't feel like we know anything about them.

And there's one or two narratives with the sun. and this series with the Lakers. It depends on who you ask. We had Jalen Rose on the other day, who we love, and he said that the Sons are going to get beat by the Lakers, and it almost sounded like a foregone conclusion. And I think most fans would say, like LeBron, AD, that whole thing, and the Sons,

they got a young core, and we know how experience matters in the playoffs. On the other end of things, people, LeBron fans are trying to sell me this narrative that he's fighting alone. And I don't buy the second one, so I'm wondering where you stand, Are the Lakers just huge underdogs, LeBron fighting alone, or are the Sun's doom because they have a young core?

Well, I think you look at the Lakers right now, Chris, we have not seen this team altogether playing in a really high level for a few months. Because of the injuries and guys being in and out, and then even since they've gotten AD and LeBron back, this isn't a team that has let you say, okay, they're really playing high level basketball. Now, the assumption is they will get back there, that they have time to ramp this up and get back to it. But in this series against Phoenix, who, again, what you hold against Phoenix is they just have a bunch of young guys who don't have playoff experience. And there's almost an assumption you need veterans, you need your core guys to be, you know, playoff veterans to win. And you watch those guys in game one and Devin Booker look like, just like Trey Young, they look like they've, those did not look like playoff debuts for those two. players. And obviously, you know, Chris Paul, who's been in a million of these fights in the West, in the West through his career, this is a very well-coached team. Monty Williams was the

Coaches Association Coach of the Year. He has impacted that team in a huge way, as has Chris Paul. But they're talented and they're athletic and they can play you a few different ways. They check a lot of boxes and they've got depth. And so the idea that, that the Lakers can win this series by doing anything but playing like extremely well they're not going to now their best might still be better than Phoenixes we haven't seen the Lakers best in a while and I think that's what gives you some concern about their ability to get back there this quickly I hate using the word legacy I'm going to do it I hate when people say I hate to do this but I'm going to do it I'm going to do it LeBron legacy it's it's a worn out alliteration there but I'm wondering

what losing to the sons with, and we'll see what CP3's shoulder is doing the rest of the series, he wasn't the same when he came back. I was like, you might be sighing relief if you're a Lakers fan, but if you're a LeBron fan, the stakes are high if you lose to a team with a half-speed CP3 that you were quote-unquote supposed to beat because they're young. Yeah, to me, LeBron James' legacy is cemented. Yeah. I mean, his place in history and his place, at the very top of the list with Michael Jordan

and I don't know is there one other person to add in there I don't know if there is I think it's those two Probably a big man Yeah Some people might say Bill Russell

Just off the But yeah Bill Russell Kareem Abdul Jabbar I always feel like Kareem gets left out In this conversation When you think of

Of dominance of winning Of doing it Like LeBron's done it Over a very long long career I mean Kareem was winning titles

and scoring 20 and 10 at 38 years old. But listen, every victory adds to it. Of course, he wants to catch Jordan and the championships. I remember how badly Kobe wanted to catch Michael's six. And he knew that winning that title, that put you in the conversation by getting to six. He didn't get there. LeBron, whether he gets there or not,

I don't think any of that is defined by a playoff series in a pandemic year in 2021. I don't. I think he adds to it by winning. But I don't imagine, like, all of a sudden, we pull something from this if he doesn't do it. He's done too much. Well, they'll be arguing about it one way or another. Yeah, we got a whole network built around that.

So with LeBron, you know, I know the league is probably talked behind closed doors about outwardly, what's your replacement plan for him from a brand standpoint? Who are your faces of the NBA? And I know this stuff has happened organically, but, man, you guys are off to a great start. I mean, because there are a ton of great young players. Some of them he lost to yesterday in Booker and Aiton. You get John Brooks and you've got Luca and you've got, you know, the list goes on. It feels like the sum of the parts might be able to pretty seamlessly replace a LeBron over the next five.

There's no replacing LeBron. But the game is still going to be exciting. They're young, good players. And there are a ton of them, it feels like. And there are. And the playoffs end up now kind of bringing some of those guys to the forefront. We talked about him, Trey Young, Devin Booker. There's a different credibility now when you've kind of given some signature moments.

John Morant, like I don't know how far they're going to advance. I don't know that they're going to beat the jazz, but playing that one playing game. Exactly. And then last night, all of a sudden, now you've got a team in Memphis and you got a star in Memphis who, you know, by the way, was in the play in last year in the bubble and was rookie of the year. It helps with those guys. But five nickels will never equal a quarter. I remember that we always just did.

Right. Five nickels don't equal a quarter. And I don't mean those guys aren't nickels. I don't mean it that way. But there's one LeBron and there was one Jordan. And you just said it. You can't force or manufacture or tell people who that next player is. He's going to do it or he isn't.

And he's going to emerge. He's going, you can't sell people on somebody. That person is going to define it. And that player, I don't know if that player's in the league right now. Maybe it's, maybe it's Zion. maybe it's maybe it's Luca Donchich

you know all perennial all stars and future MVPs and you know obviously we're not talking about the two time MVP Yanaz Sottena Kumpo yeah

Joel MB there are lots of great stars and Nicole Yokic is going to be the MVP but but when you talk about driving the level of interest and if it's TV ratings if it's the guy who

wherever he wherever he's playing tonight and whatever city it is people are buying tickets to watch that guy. I mean, there's really two in the league. There's LeBron James and there's Steph Curry. I guess LeBron's closer to the end than Steph,

but I wouldn't hold anybody to that, right? I mean, LeBron may play until he may be the NBA's Brady and just keep going. His game is not just built off of, you know, athleticism explosion. It's his skill. It's his passing. He can play.

I think as long as he's healthy, he'll play. He could play like Draymond Green plays into his 40s, which is the passing, the leadership, all the things that LeBron would bring to a team. He could keep going, but at some point you're not, you're not going to be the best player in the league anymore. You're not going to be first or second,

maybe even the third team all NBA. And then it'll be a question of how long he wants to do that. Right, where somebody else might want to play 30 years, because, but for him, it's like, I don't want to regress the mean. Does he want to be that guy in the NBA? Yeah, and you will see a different like LeBron game, which is almost like an interesting bonus. How does he mold his game into his 40s if he does the Brady thing? The young dudes, the markets they're in are intriguing to me because you've got two stars I mentioned in Phoenix. You have two stars I mentioned in Memphis. You have a guy we mentioned in Zion who's supposed to be possibly

the next era parent and he's in New Orleans. So kind of a two-part question here, but part one with those two guys, the Phoenix or the Memphis dudes, is the NBA looking at as a positive because they're kind of these medium-sized markets, squeaky wheel gets the attention or whatever, or do they look at it like, man, we're leaving a lot of money on the table? And then what the hell happens with Zion when he's up in two years?

Yeah, they're good questions because I think there's a feeling in the small markets that the league wants their really good players in the big markets. And I think there's a feeling at the league level of this is a team, this is a league of 30 teams, and we need a league that's viable in lots of markets. And what the league doesn't want is hope you can't, in places like New Orleans, where you lost Anthony Davis or you lost Chris Paul, Memphis, where they, you know, have a great young player in John Morant, Minnesota, whomever it is, you'd say, hey, these are smaller, less glamorous markets, that you can't have those places losing hope,

Oklahoma City. And so San Antonio, those places, is where there's a greater premium on you've got to draft well, you got to run a good organization, you've got to make a lot of good personnel decisions, because your ability to keep that player is not going to just be, yes, I can offer more money in a contract by him staying than going somewhere else. But I'm selling him on winning. We're winning here. This works. And I'm going to stay here. And so your margin for error is a lot less than in L.A. or New York, where if you're just running a competent organization, you're able to go get big free.

agents. And I think that's the challenge for the league. But you mentioned Zion or any of those other young players who are going to come up on their contracts. It is going to be a fight against the big market teams to keep your guy. No matter who you are, you're going to have to fight that fight to keep your guy from wanting to say, hey, I want to go to New York, L.A., Miami, which has been a big market team because of Pat Riley and Eric Spolstra, they've been able to go out and get big free agents through the years. Does that all continue when Pat Riley leave someday? I don't know.

But it is, and the league thought we're putting the Supermax deal in, the Supermax contract that allows you to get, you know, over 30% of your team's salary cap number in that Supermax contract, if you make all NBA twice or MVP or whatever. And that hasn't shown itself to be a great, it hasn't necessarily kept people where they are. And players also know, I can sign the Supermax. I can get that contract.

Then I can ask out a couple of three years into the deal and ask for a trade. And if you look through the history or at least this modern history of the NBA, if you're a star player who wants out and who has made it clear you want out, typically you get out. Almost in every case, you get out of where you are. You can make it difficult enough that they're going to. going to just move on for you, almost no matter how much time you have left on your contract. And so I've heard actually this term used sometimes, which is take the money now, fix the destination

later. And so you take that supermax deal, but your team doesn't get to relax or take a deep breath and go, okay, we got them under contract. Thank God. Now the pressure's on until you ask for a trade. And so I do think that dynamic has changed dramatically in the NBA. I think we'll see more of that as we go forward to. Player movement, coach movement. I'm looking at Brad Stevens on the coach side of things. And we talked about, I'm a moushole now. You know, I'm a grown-up.

I want to coach in the NBA, that sort of thing. A, do you buy that? And then B, with Kauai on the player side, because that's the one guy everybody's looking at right. He's up soon. They're not looking so hot. At least I don't buy the clippers. Is it better that they lose early or that they win?

Because every time he wins, he leaves. Would it be better if Kauai exits in the first? round and what do you think happens with him? No, I do not think it is better if Kauai exits in the first round. The other one, you could make a case for different circumstances. I would still be surprised regardless of how the Clippers, how it goes here. I still think they're the better team and they should win this series with Dallas. Now, you know, you might not want to get down 2-0 and have to go on the road for game 3.

You'd probably want to avoid that. But I think for Kauai, so much of his focus had been. to get back to California and be out west and near his San Diego home. And I mean, you know this, Chris. Listen, winning is important. I mean, the guy's been, I think he's had the, I think he has the highest winning percentage of any player in the league in his regular season career.

And so when I'm not saying that winning is not vital to him, but I also think you get to a point where you've won two championships. You are geographically where you want to be. You're at a team that can pay you more than anybody else can pay you. and trying to jump again to somewhere else, it may not give you a better chance to win. Your best chance might still be where you are, but more importantly, he's where he wants to be geographically and family-wise,

and that the results of a single season might not dictate, I'm going to undo all of this and go somewhere else again. I like where I am. Let's get it figured out here. We have the pieces here. We've shown we can be a highly successful regular season team, team. I'm not so sure that not winning or result is going to make Kauai Leonard pack up and move somewhere else at this point in his career. And you mentioned Brad Stevens.

Chris, nobody voluntarily is going back to college basketball. Like they have to, if you're an NBA coach, you will go back to college basketball as a head coach because you can't get either another job in the NBA or, you know, maybe you're a head coach who's in the last year of his deal. You know you're going to get fired. I don't think there's another NBA. head coaching job for me. Somebody just offered me six or seven years. I'm going to go take that security. But if Brad Stevens got fired as a Celtics coach

and he's not getting fired as a Celtics coach. But let's say hypothetically, he did. Brad Stevens would get another NBA head coaching job. He doesn't have to go back to college. And so I think all the guys in college want to come to the NBA. And that's been the case for a long time. But I hear it more and more. But there's nobody who with a choice,

like Mike Woodson went from the Knicks as an assistant to his alma mater to coach IU and Brad Stevens didn't want it. No, Mike Woodson not in the mix to be a head coach again in the NBA. He's not getting those interviews. He's not in that pipeline right now. And, you know, probably making, I think maybe in the $500,000 a year range as an assistant, which is a great living. But $3 million a year to go back to your alma mater at IU on a six year deal, that's different than And even though I was told they were willing to pay Brad Stevens $10 million a year, now part of that was he's making, I think, upwards of maybe seven a year.

And if you're going to get someone to leave the Boston Celtics, you're going to have to pay even more. It's a marketplace, right? But I don't think 10 million or 11 or 12 or whatever somebody could go and do or want to do, I'm not saying Indiana was going that far. The quality of life, the idea of being in the NBA versus living in that portal world of college basketball and all the things that go into recruiting, getting players, keeping players, and a sport that is in great flux about even its relevancy.

Yeah, so, yeah, Brad Stevens will be in Boston, and I can't imagine he ever coaches in another league except the NBA. Same vein here, and I think we're safe, but Tony Bennett, as you're familiar with Tony Bennett, one of the best college coach in the game. You know, some people worry he might go to the NBA one day. could you do us a favor and talk some shit about him, drop a bomb, make something up about how he's a bad person, do one of your bombs, and then he stays in Charlott's Full Forever. I'll tell you what, Chris, there's been, I've talked to a number of NBA teams when they've had openings and who have sort of felt around him. And it was a, it was a no.

It was a not even going to have a conversation with you. Yeah. So like that interest has been there. And it hasn't been, you talk about a guy who's loyal to where he is and seems to love what he's doing there and understands the fit. I think Jay Wright's in that same same situation. Jay Wright's had a lot of interest in the NBA. And I think Jay came, there was a point where Jay thought really about doing it maybe and decided to stay there because I think the one thing about being an NBA head coach and Brad Stevens has a great situation with a very stable organization in Boston. He's got two all-star level players.

He's got Danny Aange as a GM who's certainly established in that job won a championship. In most cases, you don't have a great deal of control of your environment as an NBA head coach. I remember telling a big-time college coach who was thinking about doing it, I said, listen, it's the coaching is different, certainly. The game is far different than college basketball. But understand this. On the list of where you fall, as a head coach, this particular guy might with the organization he was going to. I'd say, okay, the owner's ahead of you, the team president's ahead of you, he's got more say,

the GM has more say than you, your best player has more say than you, your second and third best players probably do. And the agents of the first and second player, they have more say than you. Walking in the building telling you what to do. So you're like 10th, maybe, or 11th. Now, like in college, you, if you don't like your roster, you can get a new one next year. And so again, there's a lot of factors in it. And so the guys who are the Tony Bennett's and the Jay Wrights who just have, they control

the culture at Virginia and what the culture at Villanova is going to be. They decide what it's going to be. They really get to control that environment largely. And there's something to be said for that. They have autonomy on their world. And the one thing you're going to lose when you go to the NBA is autonomy. And that's why I always think like the guys who made the jump. from college to the NBA guys,

Billy Donovan, Brad Stevens. What those guys were great at was understanding it was where their egos were, not guys with big egos who didn't have to be, who never were even comfortable in college with it being all about them. So many of the big time college coaches, whether it was a Rick Patino or John Caliperi,

they saw themselves as a star. They were the star. They were the guy with their programs. And they get to the NBA. and I don't care how bad your team is, you are not the star in the NBA. And I think for head coaches, the ones who come in and think that

they're going to be stars there, it doesn't work because the players won't accept that. And I think Donovan, again, Brad Stevens, and that's why I think if a Tony Bennett or a Jay Wright did go to the NBA, they would have that going for them because of their dispositions, who they are,

because that style and that personality is going to work a lot better than some of like, the megastar college coaches who made the jump and essentially just alienated everybody and got shit back to college. And I don't think you can bring the packline defense to the NBA. You got a quick question for you have a username and a password for ESPN insider or does the website recognize and respect your aura? So I'm not very good at like remembering what my password is or what my username is. A lot of people feel better. So I I lose it and then I

buy one and then I get some email. Buy one. He buys his own password. No, I do. And I at ESPN they give you one for free, but then I forget which is the one for free, which is the one I'm paying for. Yeah. So I know, I see it on my credit card every month, 495,

and I'm like, one of these times I'm going to go, like, I don't know. So yes, I pay for it, and yes, I get a free one, and I still can't log in because I'm not still organized on keeping, I mean, whatever. You're just like us, which makes us feel better. You're only a lot smarter, but like, all right, so the bomb thing, if we ever have you back, I want to hear all about like

the, what goes into a woge bomb. I want to know if you tell anybody your bombs, if you have to keep them totally secret, do you tell your wife? You're the newsbreaking guy in the NBA, okay? I mean, you, you got to be, you could be a casual basketball fan to know that. There's newsbreakers in every sport. Do you guys compare notes? Do you follow each other? Adam and I talk a lot. We've been good friends and I love listening to how he works. And, you know, we talked about the Aaron Rogers story when it was happening and when he reported and after. And so I love to learn about his process and how he does things. And we can compare notes on different challenges.

So you all do that. We're having. Oh, we do it a lot. We do it a lot. Jeff Passon and baseball. Jeff and I worked together forever at Yahoo. And so Jeff and I were together there for years. And so we knew each other well before we were both now at ESPN.

And I love talking with those guys. Like I love being around. We haven't been in Bristol much lately, but like Chris Mortensen, I get such a kick out of when Chris is in town of like, I always bother them. I think like when NFL free agency would be going on, it was a little slow for the NBA. I would follow Mort and Schefter like just hang around them.

And I watch and listen and seeing how they're doing it. But I love, I love, I don't see more or talk to them quite as much as I do at them. But being around those guys is awesome. They're the best of the best. Woz, thank you so much for coming on, man. You've been so generous with your time. I know it's a busy time of year. And if there's ever like a small bomb you want to drop like Joe Harris going somewhere, hey, we got a nice destination for you to come drop it. So open invite anytime, like small bomb, the one that you're not concerned with. Hey, Joe Harris. Joe Harris is what, 17 and a half million dollars a year? That's not small anything. I know. He's going to be, yeah, he used to be like a kid. Now he's richer than us.

Hey, Ty Jerome. Ty Jerome. Look out. Yeah. Look out for Todd Jerome. That would be the one. Well, thanks so much for your time, ma'am. Thanks. Chris, Megan, appreciate you guys. So that was awesome. He was awesome.

So he's coming back. Now, you've got to tell me, has the question we're about to talk about, has it been scrubbed? Did the people hear it or not? Oh, we're going to scrub the one question. Okay. Okay.

And I'm going to even put a question in place of the question. It wasn't like a big disaster, but every now and again, And rarely you'll ask somebody that you're interviewing something that through some research or through hearing from somebody else like you should ask this. Now, like when I threw Reed and the guys under the bus for 2X or Jeff Garland, the Jeff Garland Oreo Speedwagon question, which was not a disaster. We asked Jeff Garland, hey, tell us about your friendship with the lead singer and Oreo

Speedwagon. That came through research that I did not do. But I don't blame the production team because they're literally reading. sourced articles that have asked the same thing. Today, and by the way, the Jeff Garland interview was a lot of fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's not like he was mad about the REO thing.

He got a kick out of it that people thought that him and I forget the guy, Cronin. Kevin Cronin's the guy's name, are good friends. He's like, no, we don't know each other that well. It's written on the REO Speedwagon website. Like, by Kevin Cronin. So Kevin Crumman.

Well, so there you go. That's what I'm saying. Like, read and the production team are absolved there. Like, I would have written it too. And I've run in this situation before. When you interview people, which you're nervous enough to do anyways, there's a thin line between research and, like, being like a little bit greedy and being like, that story that I found on line 87 of Wikipedia is probably great because Wikipedia

you can put anything you want in there. So you have to be careful. Tell us about your brother, Jake. I made a mistake. today with Woge where I said do you want to recount this because it's kind of confusing the people it's going to be confusing the people

well the issue is very simple well it's not that simple there are two people there's Alex Rodriguez and there's Aaron Rogers and Alex Rodriguez goes by the nickname Arod now the only other person in the world who wants to call Aaron Rogers A rod is you don't give a freak and so when it comes up

in our show notes hey ask him about A-Rod owning a team, firing a tweet off. All I saw was that there was a leak in my 100-mile per-hour brain. I saw asking him about the NBA wanted him to break something about

A-Rod purchasing the team, the Timberwolves. So I read A-Rod, which by the way, I will die on this hill. There's only one A-Rod and he wears number 12. Okay? And this is from baseball-knowing king. Alex Rod-Reed. is not the second best header of all time. You cannot argue that.

Maybe you can, and I don't know enough baseball. But there is a legitimate argument to be made that Aaron Rogers is the second best quarterback of all time. I don't think you can usurp a nickname. If there's a better Joe who plays in New York City, Joe Namath is always going to be Broadway Joe. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

Why do you keep referring to Devante Smith as Slim Reaper? I don't. You don't? No, I don't. Oh, you haven't? If we ran the tape back, you didn't even entertain it? No, when Joe Judge wins seven Super Bowls, he doesn't become Broadway Joe. That's always going to be name it.

Oh, that's interesting. So A-Rod is always Rodriguez. Aaron Rogers, I think, is just, he's Rogers from the discount double-checks. You're telling me there's no repeat nicknames in sports. I'm saying there shouldn't be. Okay. And this is not one of them. And I agree with you.

Aaron Rogers is A-Rod. The other guy who I respect greatly as a baseball player, to me is not Aaron Rogers. You should do a, or I should, you know, a little engagement. We should do a poll. Who is A-Rod people? Alex Rodriguez-I mean, most people. Yeah, well, you know, polls are only so good.

We elected Donald Trump. You know, we will poll people just to see how in the minority I am. Is there anybody else? I guarantee you there's somebody else who calls Aaron Rogers A-Rod. I just, I refuse. Anyways, we're in the interview. And because I think we're talking about Aaron Rogers. And I'm like, how interesting to this.

there's like a crossover situation where he had scoop on Aaron Rogers. I'm like, tell me a little bit about, you know, this Aaron Rogers scoop that you recently had. And the NBA didn't win. Just tell me about it. And he just sitting there like, I've never heard that before. Nah. And so he scrubbed the question and I inserted a question and you just heard it. And see how real that sounded?

Entertaining answer too. Shout out to the production team. Entertaining answer from him. Yeah. Yeah. So just so you know, we're copping to a majorly idiotic moment on my part. And we texted Woge and he was LMAO. Right.

And he can't wait to be back. And he goes, oh, I thought you meant Aaron Rogers. I really wish I'd answered the question. About Alex Rodriguez owning the T-WOLs. And I did not correct him. I was just like, yeah, well, water under the bridge. We all make mistakes, Woge. Yeah.

And I was wrong because I was. partially wrong. I was wrong, period, because I said, I'm firing the producers, which is going to be a bit now. But the producers weren't wrong. They just didn't accommodate my, my, uh, they get to speak my language. When you're on the set of this podcast, you speak my language. Okay. Arod. Okay. We're put it on the quote board. I'm a moron. Uniforms. People like the little hockey breeze through we did with the Stanley Cup playoffs and the hockey bracket. I know that people liked it because I liked it is I think what I'm projecting.

And you, of course, can tell us the champ. The champ was cocaine white leaves with a V. So if we're doing the same thing with the NBA and the playoffs, the problem is we alluded to with Woj, these guys have got so many uniforms, they don't know what to do with them. I sent you a link like, hey, here's everybody's uniforms.

It would take you six days to get through everybody. These teams have... Five each, pretty much. A city uni, an earned uni, an Icon uni, a statement unit, and then a uni, uni. It's stupid. We're going to go through. We're going to fill this thing out. We are going to pick a champion.

And we're going to pick it on the basis of our favorite uniform that that team has. So Utah Jazz, a little preview. view here, largely cheeks probably, but they have one that might be a winner. And so Memphis, you know, is it some of the parts, or is it the best uni out of the whole litter? I'm going with the best uni out of the whole litter advances.

Okay. And that's where it becomes tough because I don't know that I can keep 200 uniforms in my head, but you're right. Jazz, largely cheeks, but they have one of those tequila sunrise deals, which does it for me. I want to say something about the jazz too. the jazz and I went through this inside hook article

that had all the uniforms that people could have don this year ranked and that had a lot of good information but the jazz I didn't see on there they do not wear the Stockton Malone like Rocky Peaks purple and blue uniform anymore

correct that would be the right uniform that would it's right there it's literally right there so in the 1-8 in the west the jazz just out of resentment and disappointment to me get the boot and I'm going with Memphis because Memphis, the Grizzlies, they have some of the most electric possibilities

in the whole league. It would be aggressive to go back to the big ass grizzly bear on the thigh with the basketball. It would be aggressive. Kind of awesome. But I would be all for it. I've seen John Moran on Google.com

wearing that uniform and it looks sick. So I don't know what they're doing. but same to the jazz. And for that, you lose in the first round in my bracket to the Memphis Grizzlies. I'm not putting up a fight. I'm with you,

though I like what they're doing with that, whatever we're calling it, gradient that Utah seems to pick different colors for every year. Can we find a middle ground between your team having six to eight different colors and yet not being the NFL where you can only wear one helmet and that's it? You should be able to turn on the tube

and know what two teams you're wrong. He thought the Pacers were in the playoffs the other day with the heat. We have so many good options. So I'm with you. The Grizz, it's hard to come in and be a new expansion franchise and do it right. I think their modern day Grizzly is fine. I think those blues look pretty good. But yeah, you're right.

They have the Vancouver stuff to fall back on and they're through. We get the Clippers and the Mavericks and just the hideous. Awful. I mean a hideous 4-5 matchup. I'm going to say this. The Clippers have the worst uniforms in basketball. Yes. And if they keep wearing that GTA font bullshit any longer,

you've shown me that you can wear any kind of uniform you want at a moment's notice. So somebody likes this shitty-ass uniform. And I think it's got to be Steve Barmer. It's got to be. Because this thing is cheeks. It's cheeks. I love the logo.

The red L.A. inside the blue sea that they wear sometimes. But the uniform is so basic. They just put it on there like they're putting a fucking patch on a hat. And they didn't do anything else with it. It's a Jordan brand uniform. That's their best look. Plenty of good uniforms in Clippers history.

I don't know what Dallas is doing. The rebrand was needed a decade ago. But because they have this green number in their arsenal, which reminds me of, I don't know, Jason Kidd, Jimmy Jackson sort of stuff. they're through for me. That is elite and they're going through on the strength of that. Denver, Portland, 3, 6, mafia, shout out to Memphis.

Now this is a matchup. Yeah, this is a good matchup. Yeah, it's a good matchup. Nuggets might be the best logo in sports for me. Frankly, Trailblazers is not far behind. When I close my eyes, I see my head pictures, it's Claude the Glide, and it hasn't changed much. And so I just like the Blazers.

I like the look. I like the Blazers too. As you know, they are my Western Conference side team. And I love Dame Lillard. And I think Denver, while I appreciate the Eddie Bauer looking logo that they have, like something that you put on a, you know,

like an outdoor company shirt, like that's kind of what you fell for here. It's a rip off of the Buffalo Sabres, not to be confused with the Nashville Sabres. The Nashville Predators who have, have a saber-tooth tiger as their logo. One of our listeners hit me up and said,

hey, my dad used to work on that stadium there. They found a saber-tooth tiger bone, or it was a tooth. That's how they knew it was a saber-tooth tiger. They found a tooth under the stadium. So there was a real reason. I take my ill-advised comments back. Denver, to me, not impressive enough to advance past Portland. I love those uniforms.

And all those years of appreciating them, having various Rashid Wallace jerseys and shirts. I've noticed he stopped wearing that shirt after you wore it for every show for about a year and a half. Well, one time I caught myself in it and it's nice. I look pretty fucking skinny in it. It's like it's a weird fit. So I'm going to wait until I get a little more jack to throw it on again.

Here's what I'll tell you. I never knew there was a gray stripe. Oh, yeah. You knew that all along. Now that you say it, I think I know. Right. It's very subconscious. I don't think you knew it.

Yeah, I don't think I did either. Yeah. for coming clean on that. You're welcome. And you're all welcome because I'm pretty sure none of you then if we didn't notice

the gray stripe. I mean it disappears. It's a sign of a great uniform. It's not in your face. Trailblazers fucking logo is incredible. What is that? It's interlocking lines.

Interlocking probably the wrong, wrong word. I've read about it before on several occasions. I just can't commit anything to memory. I think those are 69ing lines. Two and seven, Phoenix and L.A.

man, the Lakers have some of the best uniforms in basketball, as much as I hate them. I would put them through personally just on the strength of if we're picking their favorites and I had to look. The regular, the city, and the classic. The regular is pretty elite, although I don't love that L logo they have

with the basketball. I think that they donned most nights. Their colors are elite. The city and the classic are my two favorite. City and Classic are the variations of the ice blue, Carolina Blue. I think that that classic I think which is the dark blue with the Carolina blue,

like kind of baby blue number shadow is probably my favorite they have. And then you have the white version of that, which is white gray and baby blue. Lakers, easy, they cruise. So I hate what you love. Really? Yeah. And I'm all for the baby blue.

I like, hey, my Toronto Blue Jays donned all the time. I think you put that on a baseball union. You win. I don't like it just because Lakers are classic purple and gold. What are we doing? However, I think because it's such an iconic uni, and I'm talking about the classic, it goes through because the suns are some clip art bull crap these days.

Yeah. Sun, basketball, lines. I have the sons in my notes. I have kind of trash, kind of cheeks. V cheeks. Sun's throwbacks aren't even as good as I thought they were. like go back and look at a good point yeah like the jerseys were amazing but if you look back at the the shorts they had like this little weak ass left thigh phoenix uh thing they had to get rectified

they never did but the jersey is elite now if you go back to that jersey which can't be found in their ensemble but bro what i like even better is you go back one more oh that Kevin johnson with the cool-ass font. It's a mostly purple uni. We can't put that through because it's not in the the ensemble, the arsenal. But that might, that might have a shot.

That's a great uni. How do we describe those letters? They're old, Old West letters. Old West letters. I love Old West. Listen, not enough teams are doing Old West letters.

The Wyoming Cowboys, elite, elite letters on those unies. Go check them out. Old West. I don't care where. you are throw some old west shit on there that's what the sun should do dog dog once more on the white yeah yeah yeah phenomenal oh it's beautiful i'm gonna go get me a kevin johnson throwback i don't even wear throwbacks anymore hey you want to go to the east yes no you want to fell out the west yes all right

so what do we have up top we have memphis dallas that's right so memphis gets close for me they flirt with the mike bibbies they give me the the you know i think it's a great effort with their older stuff. And their city uniforms are great. But again, this is not a sum of the parts. This is your best uni. And I think Dallas comes out with the win here.

I just, yeah, I wish they would wear this every night. I wish Memphis would figure it out and just settle into the Mike Bibbys. Now I'm going to take the Lakers and I'm going to put them through on the other side of things.

Okay. I'm going to take the Portland Trailblazers and I would have, and I would, so we're going to need Cowboy Reed to break the time. Blazers actually. I forgot it was the Blazers. Okay. I got to put my side team through.

So Blazers are in the West final against I guess the Green Mavs. Yeah, in my opinion. I'm going Blazers. To win the West. I'll probably go Blazers to win the West and the strength of tie goes to the Blazers like primary over like the fourth option for the Lakers.

Like you're not wearing that enough. You know, I love the classic but yeah, give me the Blazers. You can't beat it. Rip City. Hell yeah. Break striped. Okay. East. bunch of hipsters. Phila, whizers have no shot in this tournament.

I mean, some of the worst cheeks. Their intent, I feel, was good. Some Wes unselled inspiration. It's a star, it's a star fucking festival, okay? But glass houses, careful, Philly. That's what I'm saying. These two teams playing each other, it's just a bunch of stars,

and one team is running circles around the other when it comes to applying this this theme i could not agree more so the sixers are through um the only thing i have on the sixers were regular unies are elite icons are even better ditch the basketball logo on the thigh and stick with the seven and the six with the circle of original states um you know little logo probably colonies at that point colonies yeah yeah original colonies yeah i mean when i talk it's for people that are good at just picking things up, not for like robots and historical. Although,

no, Philly goes through. Philly goes through. Again, I think D.C., the idea is right. I'd rather watch the Michael Jordan's on the court than kind of what they have going on.

Biggest blood in the first round, you say? Nix Hawks. Nick's Hawks is actually the Hawks at first glance, I think the Hawks, you know how you would call a guy or a girl a nine iron?

No, I do not. Good from 100 and however many yards you hit a nine iron from. And then when you get close, you're like, ah, not so good looking. That's pretty rude, huh? That's pretty rude. That's why I included guys. Okay. Because I don't want to be like, that's the only way you talk about girls.

I've heard a girl call a guy a nine iron before. Cool. All awful. The hawks are the opposite of a nine iron. Their uniforms actually look pretty good up close. The ones they wore yesterday, I don't love the stripes on the side, but the font's pretty good. And they actually make it with what they got there. But what they have, potentially, or the Dominique Wilkins, just go there.

Yes, to me, that's, again, young people. I don't understand. I don't understand. The Knicks get the win. And the Knicks get the win. The only complaint I have is give me a little bit more of an arch, you know, like a little more of a, you know, rounded New York. It's a little flat for me.

But Knicks never change. Terrific. Terrific. Nicks, yeah, they do blow the hawk. out. By the way, the hawks logo, I'd, again, to remind people, I did not know that that old Pac-Man-looking hawks logo was a hawk. Hawkhead. Until 2018. Bucks heat. Bucks heat. I'm really sorry, but the bucks have some cheeks, cheeks, cheeks uniforms. That's right. That's right. Big cheeks. Yeah, they're gross. And all you have to do is go back in another thing,

confusingly. They have like, they have the cool old reindeer like with the ball. The retro little reindeer. You're just a deer? Yeah, it could be a deer. He could be a reindeer. That's the way I think of it because of the red and green. He's got a green sweater on. It looks like it's Christmas. Go back to those like 80s

uniforms with the green, light green, green, light green squared stripe. Yeah. Give me Todd Day. The Todd Days. Give me that shit. Give me the Frank Bricowski's. That's right. They're going to lose. Who are they playing? It doesn't matter who they're playing. The heat who are solid. They are doing too much.

They are. But the little heat logo with the flame on top of the tea. Solid. Can't beat it. Nets Celtics. Nets Celtics. When the Nets wear, and I think the Nets have done really well overall. Like I even like their city thing.

I know people made fun of it with the Friends logo or the Friends font, the Journey's font. That's a store Journey, singular. You shopped there a lot? You don't seem like guys shops a journey. They did pretty good overall. The strength of their whole operation is the baby blue nets. The draws in Petrovich's. And their court looks great with it too.

Mm-hmm. I mean, just stick with that. Well, and the simple black and white, I dig. And this gray guy, which that B-K-L-Y-N looks like it's graffiti. Yeah, it's kind of cool. That's good. Yeah, it's good. They got a good little set of uniforms there.

The only one I don't like is the friends one. the only one I don't like is that shitty-ass logo I love the subway one I love the subway one I love the subway one I might put them through on strength of the subway one and the baby blue one the regular logo they have going on his cheeks it's again like it's like an established you pick a random year and put it on an eddie bower shirt

it's like too much going on it's the nuts for me what I will say about the Celtics and you might disagree the uniform where they're trying to mimic a banner I think is cool. I think it's kind of fire. We've talked about this before. We have, okay.

We do. I just can't put the Celtics through. No, I'm with you. I just think you've turned a banner into a uni. Yep. I mean, bang around. That's what their banners literally look like. It looks like, you know, modernizing history.

You know, like they did a pretty nice job, but they kept it simple. It looks European to me. It looks kind of like the new wave of... Hey, you're American when you go into the bathroom. You're American when you come out of the bathroom. What are you when you're in the bathroom? Oh, you're American, but you're a Pian.

European. Yeah. So you got the joke like midway through? Well, no, I got it as you were telling it. Hmm. Knock, knock. Who's there? Interrupting cow.

Interrupting. Woo! Interrupting. Boo! Uh, I got the cow. I got the Brooklyn cows going through. Okay. Brooklyn cows are through.

Okay. top of it, we got Sixers, Knicks. I'm sorry, I got the Knicks, unapologetically. Okay. Are we going to bring up that weird black one with the circle around the number? Aren't we going on the best, the best uniform? Okay, I just thought it bears mentioning. Yeah, well, cheeks, cheeks, yeah, cheeks.

Okay, but I'll go next. It's classic. Yeah, yeah, it's classic. And then we got the heat and the cows. I got the heat. It's cows for me. Oh, yeah, really? Yeah.

Reed might have to break this tie. Read, Miami Heat, Brooklyn Cows. Go Heat. Heat. Los Heat. And the thing about them is they actually look cool when they do the pink and blue thing. And yeah, I mean, like they just have a lot of cool uniforms. The yellow one sucks.

I feel like they did a better a couple years ago. But yeah, a couple years ago was better. But, you know, it really works down there, dude. That's like, you know Miami. Boy, do I. You know all the parts of Miami. That's what you feel. like that uniform captures the vibe,

but they're not going to win the whole thing. The Knicks are going to the, my two favorite teams are in the finals. Look at how this worked out. Well, what do you, what do you have, Nix or Heat? I mean, just, yeah, I mean, there's,

it's, it's, you got to like, Miami Vice, like, GTA, Vice City. I'll go next, but I agree with you. There's something not quite right. And I don't, I don't know if it's that, the, the, You need thicker, thicker materials, and you need a little bit more arcing of the,

and they said this in the article, which is the point that they made, is you need a semi-circle when it comes to New York. That's beautiful. It is beautiful. The only way that's not going through is if we get cute. No, I'm with you. Knicks are through to the final.

I mean, we're both traditional guys, okay? we both love orange and blue orange and blue is one of the best combos in sports I mean we're homers but whether we're talking hockey Orange and blue is sick Edmonton

right I even like the islanders a little bit you know whether we're talking baseball the Mets they have a beautiful uniform football Broncos if they ever figure their shit out

but when they did it right Bull Durham minor league baseball Orange and blue is everywhere. Nix, the finals. Nix Rip City. Side team, main team.

Ooh. Now, I know we're just going with best. These two clubs happen to have a couple of, what's a word we haven't used? Poo chitter. A little poo chitter. A little poo chitter chips. With Portland's Oregon uniform is awful.

And the Knicks City that never sleeps, uni is awful. But if we're going on on the best. Yeah, that Oregon uniform is moderately cheeks I don't mind the font but it's like what is the color combo They definitely marketed that one to hippies Who don't put deodorant on and shit

That's definitely like their color scheme These hippies up there They needed one thing that had a fucked up color scheme It's actually I can't stop fixating on it It's not that bad make look again The Oregon one Yeah it's not that bad the stripe is cool too it's you're wrong dude you're wrong

look at that stripe is it wavy it's mountainous okay it probably like mirrors some mountain range up there dude i'm gonna assume that the only problem is that's brown and i think oh you know what's actually pretty cool about it i'm sold it's got like um when you look at a map which you do a lot. I do. You can tell the different ridge lines of topography. It could like, you know how you,

well, I'm trying to describe this for people of listening. The very tight lines. Some get bigger. That means elevation. Elevation is bigger. That's what they're doing here on these uniforms. And I didn't catch it until now. I think it's super cool.

Having said that, the Knicks win the whole thing. We're going to need a tiebreaker because I love the simplicity of this Portland Trail Blazers uni. reminds me of Bulls Blazers, which they turned into a video game. It wasn't just a series. Turned into a video game.

And New York, you're right. They're just not quite Ewing era enough. They're very close. The logo, low-key outdated. Let me see it one more time. Yeah,

but I like the fact they stuck to it. And I love they have the V in the shorts, you know, with the... They didn't stick to it just for the record. They went away from it for a while, but they're back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, the thing. I like that thing. Now, you know what? We have that thing as well. I know you do, but it's not as cool. So I would say the Knicks pull the shorts off better. The Blazers have the better jersey. I'm going to go with the Knicks.

Okay. I'll go Portland Trail Blazers. Read for the whole tournament and the end of this podcast just about. Nix. Classic Nix. You write the checks. I'm just saying it. My name one of the checks.

You snap the Nix. I write the checks. That's right. You think you would have agreed with you? you. Let me check in on my who is A-Rod poll on Twitter.com. May I? Oh, you actually did it.

I did it. Yeah, but most people are going to say that obviously A-Rod is the A-Rod. What I'm doing is I'm starting a new thing. Cool, cool. I was just checking. Looks like 82% say Alex Rodriguez is. So 18%, even with no context around it, are just like me. And they're right.

Now I know I'm wrong. Feel free to vote in the poll. I'm going to vote in the poll. I'm going to vote so hard on this. pull. Hey, this podcast is just about over. We talked about St. Louis earlier, the blues. There's more bad news out of St. Louis. Oh, oh. The other bad piece of St. Louis news is Google McCloskey. Can do. St. Louis. Just how you would think it's spelled. Oh, these folks. Yeah, the guy with the sweater draped over his shoulders, uh, who like pointed his, uh,

AK. It's funny how your brain does that because he did not have a sweat. butter over his shoulders. Maybe his wife did. She was wearing a sweater-ish thing, but he just had the pink golf shirt. Standard pink polo wielding an automatic weapon. I'm sorry, it's not an automatic weapon. It's a semi-

Do you know what a semi-he was holding a fucking A-R, dude. Tucked into the cream-colored pleaded pants. Pink polo, A-R fucking becomes a mascot of like the Republican Party. Like a mascot underling. And this is why I just can't respect any of this shit. Is because this guy is going to probably get elected.

He's going to be an elected official because he pointed an AR at protesters. I know exactly where those guys live. Those are beautiful houses right there along Forest Park. I mean, those are enormous houses. The every man political party, the working class political party elected a fucking billionaire reality TV star on the big stage and on the smaller stages. They just want a guy who held an AR before. Don't care if he lived in a mansion.

Don't care if he fucking gets tax breaks. Look at him. This looks like an Ozark couple. It's right out of central casting for like the unexpected drug running Ozark couple. This is Jason Bateman and his wife in that movie if they weren't both attractive people. Right? Like if they were just casting regular motherfuckers, that's these two. And if they weren't thinking before they acted.

No, no doubt. I mean, like if the show was totally different, but it's totally almost predictable. It's so wacky. It's predictable at this point. Weird spot for the country and humanity and such. Now what you need to see is the ad. Take a second to look the ad up. Like I totally get it.

I'm a gun owner. you break into my house, like, it's going to be an issue. But I know the difference between people passing through my street in the midst of, like, a protest and somebody trying to destroy my house and kill my family. It was the quote. He said, they're trying to kill his family. Well, I guess everybody else on the street must have had an AR because I didn't hear about any murders that day.

Dude, they weren't sacking your village. okay they were walking by and they were yelling and they were protesting and now you're going to be an elected official like they literally flipped this guy the ad which you know you can find somewhere else but

they took the guy with the pink polo and the khakis pulled up to his belly button and you know just like probably whipping that AR around with no sense of gun safety the whole nine yards just a fucking suburban cowboy uh

pot calling the kettle black but I also am not going to be wielding an AR in the yard where there's a protest outside. I've walked my dog through your yard without permission. That's called trespassing and you have not. You'd be a tough target. Yeah. Turn sideways. It's like fucking hitting a sheet of paper. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I just, my thing is he literally, the Republican Party was like, hmm, look at these rich people that all these people that voted for Donald Trump supposedly hate. Let's run him for Senate in the state of Missouri and a bunch of poor people will vote for him because they airbrushed him, put him in a pearl snap shirt and posed him in front of a fucking tractor, dude.

Look at the ad, man. Look at the ad. They flipped him into a farmer. And that's all they're going to have to do. Just show him wearing a pearl snap shirt and they're going to elect this motherfucker. That's how wacky American politics are. He's putting gloves on and hopping on the tractor. That's, let me tell you something, folks.

Turning the tractor on. Rich people sometimes own two properties, okay? I own two properties. I have like some acreage and my house, okay? He may well have a farm down in the Ozarks, okay? But I can tell you, his backyard looks just like that side alley you saw. He lives right on Forest Park on the side of a fucking, on the side of a road. and again

if you want to jump out of the gym for this cat that's your business but I guess they did just select a reality TV star and they hate elitist all righty fucking throw them an AR and give him a pearl snap shirt I wonder if they brought him like a rack of clothes

from Old Navy and they were like trying them on like it was a shoot I wonder if he brought his own shirt I got no problem with defending your house man but I'm not sure I think that might have been a little bit overkill and that's what everybody was trying to tell you buddy and we're we're showing the cross necklace too

we have a button open to show the cross necklace buttons are open to show like I love God I love my tractor I have an American flag right over my right shoulder this is this is the bingo card I mean just you've hit every single box on the bingo car it's all there dude Let me watch a little bit more. What's that say? He's walking.

Cancel culture's not good. There was something about race. Any talk of race, not good. Second Amendment, good. Gasoline. Good. Good. But the liberals are trying to take it from us.

Tractor's good. Tractor's good. I'm cleaning my tractor. Pickups, good. Oh, oh, look at that. Look at that tundra. He's loading hay into a probably early. 2000's model,

Ford or Tundra, is that a new truck? That's not a new truck. It doesn't look like it. Old truck, old tractor, Pearl Snap, loves Jesus,

American flags, and farmers, and small business owners, and moms and dads, and patriots, and horses. And a temper. These are my horses.

If you come anywhere near them, I will fucking shoot you with an A.R. I will not back down. I will never back down. Who chooses the fonts for these ads, man? There you go. That does look like a Ford to me.

We will truly never understand each other as people in this country because the idea that this would get somebody to rally behind this candidate is incomprehensible to me. And so we will never understand each other in this country. And I'm not being some divisive dickhead. I'm just laughing. Do you think they could make you into a strong conservative candidate? They could definitely, they would try to flip me hard. They all hate me, right?

Anybody who knows who I am if they're like big Trumpers because I've talked bad about them. Be honest. Like if somebody made me into like a senator, like, and I was in a Senate race, all they had to do is pose me in front of a tractor. I could easily win an election. All I have to do is be a racist. And yeah, all that other stuff we talked about earlier.

Yeah, that fell along. run for Senate. See his tattoos? There's a swastika in there somewhere. Yeah, somewhere and he used to play football which is very American game. His dad has a flat top. That's all you need. What about you? How are you gonna run out if they package you? I don't know, dude. Can I pull off skinny? I feel like you need some heft to you when you're when you're a conservative. The common man. Hmm. No, you're a you're the common man. You're hungry. Because the elite His liberals haven't been feeding you.

That sounds progressive. No, they haven't been feeding. They're starving you. I think it's a, I think it's a tougher. A tougher self for you to run for, I don't know about that. Some of these motherfuckers that run, like look at, uh, I would just need to start talking a little bit differently. Look at like Ben Shapiro.

I honestly think you could beat him up. Okay? And he's like a god to these people. You're right. You're right. That, uh, that, uh, that character in the White House. You would corner the, actually, you haven't thought about this, like, section. And I'm doing 100 push-ups a day.

Yeah, you might peck strength your way out of that weight class, and then the next thing you know, you're in the one that you're talking about. So you're kind of a tweener when it comes to, like, a plug-and-play situation. And I could add just a little bit of molasses drip to the way I speak. I'm not buying it. Well, I'm not too good at it right now at the moment. Oh, oh, hi bikes. One of the more progressive people I know, my father,

I just need to talk a little bit like, hey, bikes. Bikes. Oh, man, if they put your... out on a poster. Are you, uh, people are very surprised when I learned my dad's politics. Hi, Mike,

I heard you're still doing the, the YouTube show. No, we, we made it a podcast. Uh, what? Oh,

when I take my walk, sometimes I have my earphones and I can't find where to play it, but, but Meredith tells me it's on there. Tell them, uh, we'll be back Thursday.