Green Light with Chris Long - Zack Martin! Dallas Cowboys Career, Facing The Eagles & Jon Gruden! Luka Dončić, White Lotus Finale & Lions Playoff Rule!

Episode Date: April 11, 2025

Welcome Zack Martin! The recently retired Dallas Cowboy joins Chris to talk about his career in Dallas, some of the best rushers he faced, the rivalry with the Philadelphia Eagles, being heckled by Jon Gruden and knowing when it was time to retire. Chris and Macon then rip around the the NFL and the sports world, and talk Luka Dončić, Caitlin Clark, the White Lotus finale and more! Enjoy the wildness! (00:00) - Intro (4:18) - NFL News (23:50) - Zack Martin on his NFL Career with the Dallas Cowboys, Facing the Philadelphia Eagles & Amazing Jon Gruden Story (1:14:03) - White Lotus Finale (1:24:18) - Luka Dončić (1:28:53) - Caitlin Clark (1:32:52) - Chris' Golf Tournament and Kenny Mayne (1:46:57) - Mailbag: Dire Wolves, Masters & Jumping from Airplanes Green Light Podcast March Madness Tournament! Click the link below to fill out the form granting you entry into the GLP bracket! Prizes include 1st place $500, 2nd place $250, 3rd place $100 in Bet MGM gift cards. Must be 21+ to be eligible for a prize. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScbnomKvB7t2zNKqvKNMstq_P2HClxciUC95moAHD-mDIKcyg/viewform Have some interesting takes, some codebreaks or just want to talk to the Green Light Crew? We want to hear from you. Call into the Green Light Hotline and give us your hottest takes, your biggest gripes and general thoughts. Day and night, this hotline is open. Green Light Hotline: ‪[phone]‬ In need of sweet threads to vibe like Chris and the fellas? Check out https://greenlightpodcast.org/ for everything merch wise and then some! Also, check out our paddling partners at Appomattox River Company to get your canoes, kayaks and paddleboards so you're set to hit the river this summer. https://paddleva.com/ Green Light's YouTube Channel, where you can catch all the latest GL action: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgxWFAA-wuB7osdiAJyLOcw Green Light with Chris Long: Subscribe and enjoy weekly content including podcasts, documentaries, live chats, celebrity interviews and more including hot news items, trending discussions from the NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA, NCAA are just a small part of what we will be sharing with you. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Literally five minutes before the fight started, we ran a play. We ran like a toss play. And I pulled out to the right and T.J. McDonald was blitzing off the edge. And he hit the blitz like right on the snap. Dude, I had this stinger. Like both my arms were numb. So I was in the training room like getting my neck checked out like my arms. And then that and then Des came running in like hot.

He's throwing his helmet throwing his pads. And our trainers were like running in. They're like, it's mayhem out there. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast presented by BetMGM. If you haven't signed up for BetMGM yet, use bonus code Greenlight, and you will get up to a $1,500 first bet offer on your first wager with BetmGM. Here's how it works. Download the BetMGM app and sign up using bonus code Greenlight. Deposit at least $10 and place your first wager on any game.

If that bet loses, you will receive up to $1,500 in bonus bets. Just make sure you use bonus code. Greenlight when you sign up. Welcome to the Greenlight podcast. Today we are honored to be joined by one of the greatest NFL guards of the 2000, Zach Martin, the Dallas Cowboy who recently announced his retirement, talks to Chris about his career with America's team, why he hates Philly so much but also secretly loves him.

He loves Lincoln Financial Field to play at, by the way, and plenty of stories of his days in the NFL, including a fight with the Rams in 2015 that Chris was on the field. for as well. A great conversation with Zach. And then we talk a whole lot of sports. We go through some NFL topics. We talk White Lotus. We talk Lucas Night. What an emotional run that was. And we end with a good bit of fun, a little bit of wackiness. Enjoy the episode today. And we'll catch you later next week. Check this out, guys. See this? Yeah, messy. Yeah, it's a messy bowl. Ooh. Smoke pot out of the back of Messi's head. Wow. Where do you?

Wait. Lobato weed. That's him. You hear my joke? Lobato weed. Yeah, that wasn't that good. Oh. Welcome to the show.

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I did. Nice. Yeah. Got rid of the rat tail. That's coming to socials near you. Do we still call them socials? Do we still do the ice bucket challenge? Because somebody challenged me to

ice bucket challenge last that is crazy is that wild yeah somebody in 2020 what dude and he's my homey dude this he's a kid which is the craziest part he's like 18 years old like he's a kid that i work with de line work and he hit me up last night and it's a video of him getting ice water dumped on his head and he's like I challenge chris long and I'm like yo what year is it like is that the most wild thing ever like i am all for what the ice bucket challenge is about so we're going to make a donation to the gleason foundation oh my dog steve gleason but that was a blast from the past is he just going through youtube videos year by year is that yeah well is that wild that is wild what is what is your what like what's your theory on how he became aware of the ice bucket challenge

it had to be an old tic-tok somebody wake up from a coma It's been in a coma for 13 years. I was like, I'm going to do the ice bucket challenge. I saw that yesterday. I don't understand. What if it boomerangs, though? What if it comes back? We raise even more money.

Be fine. It's for a good cause. So, Nolan, do you want to tell us what's worth talking about in the NFL right now? Yep. A little bit of news from last week. Trey McBride became the highest paid tight end NFL history, 19 million a year. a pretty significant jump over Travis Kelsey. He was previously at the top of that market at 17.1.

Well-deserved deal. Complete package as a receiver. He's got the routes, got the hands, rack value. Not too many tight ends across the league. Get the job done on all three downs like he can. No, and you know what's so funny about him last year's, I feel like everybody was, you know, talking about the lack of touchdowns.

Like I don't know if he had a touchdown until like really late in the season. he was really effective. I mean, you mentioned the rack. He's got to be one of the best guys running with the ball in his hands at that position, the NFL now, and ironically surpassing Travis Kelsey, who was kind of like the last generation's best run after the catch guy. Now you've got him. Obviously, he's not as famous as Travis,

but if you don't watch Cardinals games, you should and you should watch this guy. Trey McBride's pretty good. And he joined us last year at the Super Bowl. Really nice kid, too. So he got paid. Julio retired. Happy trails. Happy trails to Julio.

Julio, I'm convinced the first time I ever heard him speak was when he retired, which is an incredible, had you ever heard Julio Jones speak? That's funny. Right? Yeah. And so he waited all that time. And then he was like, yeah, I'm out. One of the most talented wide receivers I ever saw play.

We talked to Matt Patricia at the Super Bowl about the, that front row seat that he had for that circus catch. I mean, unbelievable. Like, at the catch point as good as anybody, ironically, we're talking about Trey McBride who had trouble getting the end zone. Remember when Julio had that, like, a couple of years span where the touchdowns weren't coming? Yeah.

What was that? It was like two, three year period or something like that. Do you anybody else remember that besides me? End of Atlanta? Yeah, I think it was the end. in Atlanta. Atlanta, his last season, he had three, and then one in Tennessee, two in Tampa Bay, and then he had a couple, he had three with Philly. And people were freaking out about the touchdown production. But one of the best wide receivers I ever saw in my time in the league.

I mean, it's unbelievable. Happy trails to him. And then Gino got paid, which signals that he, at least in the immediacy is the guy, and that they're serious about, like, trying to win now. you know it's not a it's not a and i guess it at pete's age with his affinity for gino you know it makes a lot of sense he doesn't want to coach until i'm although i think you probably could like coach so he's 85 you know like let's get the ball rolling right now it's also a boat of confidence in gino that you know is coming from upstairs on a level and who's upstairs is tom brady so at least tom brady really likes gino the thing you want to see with gino is get rid of the red zone cluster fuck that was the Seattle Seahawks last year and some of the like really backbreaking

turnovers when he's throwing the ball on target he throws the ball as on target as anybody in the league I mean his his high quality throws you put him up with almost anybody like you know as far as like a a pure passer of the football the arm strength the whole thing it's just the consistency and you know last year he was definitely a victim of what what I thought was a lack of offensive of identity and the problems they had up front. So we'll see. Can they protect them in Vegas? And, you know, I know they're talking about drafting gentie at like...

Minus 135 favorite to be picked at six. I don't like it. No kidding. You know, how's it worked out drafting running backs elsewhere? Right. Seriously. I mean, usually it doesn't. The best examples we can think of is Sequan on his second team.

Second team? Bijon, who is amazing. He's amazing. He's not elevating Atlanta to, say, the playoffs. Two years later, Atlanta's, you know, they're in the same spot. Yeah. And, yeah, I think. Vegas has less around than Atlanta now or the Giants a few years ago.

No question. And like, look at what Aaron Glenn's doing up in New York. He's going the other way on this thing. And he's like, we're going to do running back by committee. We're going to trade Brees Hall. Like, at least that's what the rumor was. And I saw some terrible mock trade that, you know, like Bleacher Report posed. or something like that.

But the whole point is, like I respect running backs. No disrespect. I think you guys are awesome. But drafting one in the top 10, like listen, the Jemir Gibbs thing elevated them, I think, immediately.

But... Good point. You know, Jemir Gibbs is the outlier. He's a little bit of the outlier. Like, he's the exception, not the rule. Well, in Detroit wasn't missing pieces around running back. No. They had every other piece.

They had every other piece. That's why we say, at least on this show have said, running back is a luxury that completes your team. When you're in a position to compete now, you can go out and grab a player like a Sequant Barkley, like a Derek Henry, like a Josh Jacobs. I'm sure I'm forgetting some guys that have switched teams over the past couple years. And Derek Henry, did I say Derek Henry? Yep. I'll say him twice because he really did change the game for Lamar and the Ravens. you know, even in that scenario, it didn't get over the hump.

Everything has to come together right for the addition of a running back being worth it in a place like six in the draft at the front of a build or in free agency. And dog, when you, if you get a running back on a second contract at age 27 or whatever, they're not that expensive either. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Right. Don't like it at number six.

I don't either. But I do like, I don't mind them committing to Gino on a level. Like, what is it, Nolan? And it's like effectively through the 27 season. Yeah. So the extension itself, two years, max value of 85 and a half with 65 and a half guaranteed. Most of that guaranteed money is loaded into the first year. So they could technically get out after this season.

It's a one year deal. Yeah, it would only be a dead cap hit about 18 and a half if they cut them before 2026. Yeah. But like you were saying, you know, this is a guy. yet to show signs of physical decline with the arm talent. So I think you probably see him there for two years and they pick up a QB to develop either this draft or next year. No question. Yeah, no. And that's probably the right way to go about things. I'm way more into like, you know, if we're talking about, you know, strategies around drafting, I love to bring the quarterback a long

thing. And I think Gino and Pete's relationship, not bulletproof, but definitely a relationship that considering where Gino was when he washed up in Seattle and what happened there, like I think he has a lot of trust in Pete. And when you're a veteran and you're trying to find the right location for a job, and it's even more important as a quarterback because only one of those guys plays, you have to have an understanding coming in. Like, what is the plan? It can't just be like, hey, you're a guy.

Like, I'm sure Pete told him, hey, there is an outside chance that we're going to draft a guy. Like, and as a player, as a veteran, like, you should be able to ask. those questions, especially of a quarterback. So I think it's an eyes wide open situation. If they do bring a guy in, he seems like the type of guy that would mentor a guy. And that's fantastic. Listen, like, I think the Raiders could be a little scrappier than we think. I mean, you know, Petyl infuse a lot of energy into that building.

And, you know, at least in division in recent years, they've been scrappy. You know, they've been very scrappy. And think about everything that program has gone through. the rich hire you know being that close probably you know you could argue if you're a raiders fan there were some calls that didn't go your way in that bangles game a couple years ago then rich doesn't get retained then you go josh macdainiels which was a shit show so that there's like there's the opportunity cost of like hey we could have started down the road with the right program uh but we end up digging ourselves a deeper hole than going with antonio who we all were fans of

but obviously he just didn't cut it. And so Raiders fans, man, like, hopefully this is the guy. Hopefully this is the guy. Hopefully you found your guy. Who would have thought that it would be hopefully a 70-something-year-old coach and, you know, a 30-something-year-old quarterback that would lift you guys out of football poverty? And maybe you look at that division.

Who knows? I'm not saying Kansas City's not the odds-on favorite. I haven't even looked that far to see how those teams stack up. up, you know, player for player in the AFC West, but they've given Kansas City hell over the last two years in different points. So you look at that game last year where, you know, Farva, damn near won the game, you know, Aiden O'Connell, damn near won the game. You had the snap thing. And then last year they played them late in the season and beat them in a low-scoring ball game. Like the Raiders, the Raiders are seeing a little daylight in that division. And I think,

I think that that definitely colors in their strategy of trying to win right now. Not a whole lot of, what's it called when somebody's name is known around the house? Not a whole lot of household. Household names. Yeah. I got there, relax. Household names. Not a whole lot of household names in that Raider's secondary at the moment, not to call anyone

out specifically. Not that you know the names. You know who they are. Jade Barron, corner, Texas. Go do something like that instead of a flashy running back. You have Rahim Mostert. I'm all for it. Yeah.

I'm all for it. I am all for it. And like, listen, I know that like part of it is, Gino, I'm sure was like, y'all better get me a running game. Right. Dun, Rahim, Mostert. Yeah, right.

Yeah. Doesn't mean you need to pick six and cripple the organization. Now, this guy, Genti might end up being incredible. I mean, it might end up being incredible. But that doesn't necessarily mean that he's the right pick at six for the Raiders. Did we miss anything in the foot? Oh, I got something for you, Nolan.

Nolan, I got something for you. Have you been following this Detroit? Go ahead. What are you going to say? No, hud-out, like a little transition, like an interstitial. Yeah, I got you. Noel, have you been following the Detroit proposal for reseeding? I think it's really interesting that Roger Goodell tabled it. So basically what we have is a situation where if you're reading the tea leaves,

when you go to league meetings, Godell, as the commissioner, has an opportunity to table certain proposals that we would that we would venture to guess he likes and don't have enough support. And I think that's what's going on here. This is, of course, the proposal that we see things more honestly by wins and losses and that, you know, winning the division still means a lot. Like there's some people that say, hey, like, if the lions get their way on this rule and it passes, the division isn't that important. The division is very important. It punches you a ticket to the playoffs. I mean, it could be the difference between you going home for January or making a run. What it should not guarantee you is a number of home games,

or at least one home game being a division winner. If you win nine games and there's a team from the NFC North la, you know, Minnesota last year or something, and they end up with like 14 wins. Like, well, they earned a certain place in the seating process. In my opinion, you look at other pro sports. You know, that's the way they do it. You know, like the NBA, for instance. think that works just fine.

And I think one of the perks that we hadn't even talked about yet, we were thinking about it from a competitive standpoint, but like from a consumer standpoint and a little bit from a competitive standpoint that this is a point made by Michael Lopez. It's not Michael Lopez on Twitter.com or X.com. He colors this in nicely. In 2024, this would have been a note, this would have had a notable impact on the competitiveness of week 18 games. let me reverse engineer this

there were seven teams and seven unique games that would have had more incentives to win in week 18 this is per Michael Lopez very good aggregating all this information six of seven would be fighting for a possible home game five of the seven teams rested starting quarterbacks before or during week 18 and I think what's so interesting about this is you know it's it's aimed at the consumer like right

Like definitely there's some teams that would be excited to have an opportunity to get in over a team, you know, in a worse division, not get in, but host a home game like that. All of a sudden you're playing for something like that rather than knowing you're going down to play like the Atlanta Falcons or something if they win the division. Here are the impacts. For instance, the Texans last year had nothing to play for. Locked into the four seed. Remember that? Under Detroit's proposal, they could have ended up being a four, five, six or seven seed. The Packers rested their quarterback because they were locked into a six or six or seven seed. They were locked into a six or six or seven. seven seed under the new proposal they could have been as high as a four seed and l a la would have had the the inverse motivation so to speak like they would have had to play staffer because instead of three or four they could have been as low as a seven seed so like just in the nfc alone it didn't manifest as much in the a fc this year wouldn't have there would have been a lot more competitive games you heard that like seven teams and seven unique games would have had more incentives to win a week 18 and all the sudden you know, five teams that are wrestling their starting quarterbacks

are going to improve the product on the field in Week 18 by playing their their quarterbacks. It's more to play for for certain teams. And I think the biggest thing is like for the consumer. Like Week 18 is such a bizarre time. And when they passed, you know, the rule that, hey, we're going to play 18 games and, or 17 games, now we're going to, we're going to shoot for like 18 games. You want all 17 of those weeks, so to speak, to be competitive for a team.

Like, that's the best thing for the consumer. it's the best thing for the league and listen there's some players that are probably hearing this like fuck man we're going to have to play week 18 now because of a rule like that and and maybe a lot of coaches you know you imagine having a veteran team wanting to give them a rest like that's not going to be the case anymore so as a player i'm not saying if i was in the locker room i'd love this rule necessarily depending on the team you're on um but i will tell you as a gambler as a as a as a watcher of the NFL as somebody who sits here in week 18 is like man like do any of these games matter there would be a lot more games that do matter and i do think ultimately what you're trying

to do is reward teams for winning and so unless we're doing this participation trophy thing which i thought everybody was against then i think this is actually a good idea um i'm for it and and it looks like roger goddell is too will there be enough boats to make this a reality i got a guess if he's tabling it that that it might not be the case this coming year i don't know what kind of campaigns they go on over the you know the month period between the league meeting and may to like sway people i i'd fly on the wall i'd love to know what those campaigns look like you know you're calling your buddies around the league trying to like hey can i interest you in in this new resolution yeah yeah and where it's also really interesting too we were kind of

text about this Chris is you know within the context of a potential 18th game too and like I wonder if maybe part of that part of that hesitance for teams whether to vote in favor of it was kind of a well are you going to make us play 18 games right now it's like if you combine those two things now you're talking about making week 19 right competitive game for all of these playoff teams too yeah and I think that's scary. I mean, I'm not a proponent of one more game. I think like, it's plenty of football. And I think honestly, as somebody covering the league now, like by the end of the season, like, I'm good. You know, like, I'm okay. You put super wildcard weekend in there. I'm never more tired than I am at the end of super wildcard weekend. Not playing a single snap. I'm just watching football wire to wire for a period of

three days straight. And, you know, like that, that gets a little much. And so like when you're talking about doing that and you're talking about adding one more game. If it could be a bargaining chip for staying right here in a perfect world, which is not going to be because the NFL is never going to stop. But if it were like a tradeoff consumers or

players like alike, I think you'd say hey yeah, let's incentivize more competitiveness in the last game of the season and keep it right where we are. I think one more game sucks. And last year in the playoffs, the differences would have been the command

Manders would have hosted in the wild card round. They played three games on the road. Vikings would have hosted. They went to L.A. and then to Arizona after going 14 and three. That's right. And then there would have been a, Eagles would have hosted the Rams in the wild card round. Yes. Rams is the only team that really got close to them in the playoffs.

It would have set up more, you know, it would have been a little bit fair for Detroit. And then Texans hosted the Chargers, beat them by 20. Chargers would have had the home game because they had another win. And if you think about the motivation coming from those guys, they're not only motivated by what could have been. Like, they could have easily been Minnesota and had to go to L.A. Right. So they don't want teams to have to go through that.

Like, hey, we earned an opportunity not to go play the hottest team in football, like, one of the hottest teams in football around that time of the year. And then also, in actuality, it would have helped them having won the division. You know, it just makes too much sense. It's pretty interesting. It clearly has a lot to do with their life experience as a team, but it does make a lot of sense. I think it makes sense.

And I think it would be a lot more fun as a viewer. Because Week 18 is wacky. You don't even know how to bet games. As we've discussed, or at least eight plus owners saying, hold on a minute now. Hold on a minute player. We got a shitty division on our hand.

Yeah, exactly. Let's sit tight. Right. If I'm in the NFC South, this is one that I'm... Let's table this for about five years. And how do you... you expect and it's owners voting right I think so yeah so I mean that I think you know an owner might

hopefully not be short-sighted enough to realize that like these divisions are cyclical at some point nFC south is going to be loaded you know there's been times when Atlanta and carolina were ridiculous the saints were very good NFC west has been cheeks before it's been amazing like it's just cyclical so I'd hope that they would be voting with their brains you know and seeing the big picture and not like a hey right now the way it is in my division this is how i wanted to be but that's why the rule is coming up it's coming up because detroit's going through something right now you know anyways i thought that was really interesting um and yeah we'll find out more in may um i don't know what else there is in the nfo right now we got some some interview for you

here today yeah zach martin is that Zach martin Formerly of the Dallas Cowboys, excellent player. Really good player. Very good player. Very good player. Love Zach Martin. No, seriously, he was so good. And I told him this, like, he was one of those guys that was boring good.

There's like a boring good echelon of players in the NFL. I put like Lane in there. I put Zach in there. I put, you know, I'm not going to name them all. So if you're like, oh, what about my favorite player? But you get the idea. Guys when, like, especially on the offensive line, you just don't hear their name.

You know, and I think the most interesting thing. about his career as a little factoid as more pro balls and damn holding calls that unreal is astonishing guy was unbelievable and a great guy to talk to so um stay tuned for that and if you're an eagles fan like there is a little like eagles love in there i would say it's love for sure i mean he said it's tough love yeah he said it was the hardest player it was the favorite place that he loved to play on the road but but great grass but yes he hates the eagle yes Yeah, great grass. How do I put this into perspective?

This guy was so good that he had more pro bowls than holding penalties and guys used to fight over who had to rush over him. Zach Martin joins the show. What's up, Zach? Congrats on retirement. What's up, man. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Oh, man.

What a pleasure. How you feel? Like, are you excited? Are you like, are you kind of waiting to see what the fall feels? like? Like what, what's it feel like to actually pull the trigger and say I'm done? Yeah, dude, honestly, I feel really good right now. Like, I feel great with my decision. I think, you know, last couple of years were tough for me, just physically, mentally, you know, kind of getting older, kind of starting to slip a little bit. You've got to wrap your mind around

how you change your game and, you know, the body started feeling not great. So I kind of had a feeling, you know, during the season that this was probably it. My contract was up. So, yeah, I feel good. Like, I, I, I feel good. I've started losing a few pounds already. So my joints starting to feel pretty good. And I'm sure when training camp starts, that'll be tough. But right now I'm not missing, you know, new coach, new staff. They start OTAs next week.

So I'm not missing that. I don't know, man. I remember training camp being like the best time because I was like, oh, what do I have to do today? It's July. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, like during the summer, you can't really enjoy it like everybody else. Like you'll beat tomorrow and everybody will be like, man, this is having a great time. and you're thinking about you got that little dark cloud over your head.

Yeah. My cutoff was always the 4th of July. After the 4th, it was like moods in the dumper every morning. You know, the wife starts asking what's wrong. It's like, dude, I got camp in a couple of weeks. You know what's wrong? I'm gearing up. You know what I mean?

Get my mind right. What's the least favorite part of camp that you're going to be watching on the NFL network and be like, hell yeah, I'm glad I'm not doing that. I think just like the like two or three weeks into it, you know, like everyone's excited to start camp. You get the, you get the competition back rolling. And then after a couple weeks, you're just like, dude, screw this. And, you know, we, we don't play.

The way we did it the last few years, we didn't play in the preseason. Yeah. So it's like you're only going against the same guys every day until the season ramps up. So I'm not going to miss like the week two and three. But reporting and kind of getting everything settled and getting going, that's something I'll definitely miss. I was reading your Players Tribune thing. And I thought it was really well done. First off, I think your kid sounds hilarious.

Yeah. Yeah, no, he loves loves him some CD. Love CD Lamb. Love CD. Got you straight. How many kids you got? You got three? Did I see that?

I got three. Yeah, I got three. That's a good number. It's, it's, any more would be too much, just speaking from experience. Yeah, we're kind of on the line. We're trying to figure out if we're have another one. But we got two boys and a girl. So we're good right now for a little bit at least.

How much, how much, like, was there any intent behind it? And like, for me at least, I was really glad that my kids were very young when I got out of league so that I could spend more. You know what I mean? Yeah, definitely. I will say, though, it was cool this year. My oldest, Charlie, he's six. And, like, this was the first year. He kind of started, like, really getting into it and watching the games and

asking me questions. And when he would go to the games, like, my wife would tell me, like, he watched the game. It was locked in. So, like, that part was cool for him to be able to experience that and remember that. My other two were obviously a little bit younger. So, yeah, I mean, I'm looking forward to spending time with him, but I'm not sure how much they'll remember of this. Well, and you said in the article that,

At one point, you didn't have your best day at the office. Yeah. Yeah. It's still probably a pretty good day. But he was like, he was calling you on it when you got. Dude, we played, we played Detroit this year. We got, it was like, right. It was when Detroit was, I mean, Hutchinson got hurt in that game.

So they were at like full power when we played them and they just, dude, they just kicked the shit out of us. Yeah. Up front, really. And I was like, last couple years, like after a lot, you know how it is. Like, after a loss, you like, you know, it's like a day or something. But then you kind of get over it and you're on in the next week. For whatever reason, that one, like stuff. with me and I was like in the dumper for a couple days and and he was let me he was letting me

have it that's good to have you know give you some shit and be the honest truth well uh like was that kind of at that point say you had a game like that had you kind of plan this out or like when did you know it was time you know because i feel like everybody knows whether they say it outright or not like you have a feeling or maybe it was you know cumulative over the past yeah well you know i I had thought about it last year a little bit, which I feel like once you kind of start thinking about it, it's hard to really flip the script. But then I was kind of like, man, I got one more year. Like, we should be pretty good coming back. Like, I'm going to give it one more.

And I'm going to finish out my contract strong. And so I had a pretty good idea going into this year that it was probably going to be the last one. And then, you know, I got, body wise, I knew that, like, it'd be tough to make it through another season. But I'm going to, I'm going to give it a try. And that would probably be it. So, you know, I played 10 games. I missed the last seven. I had ankle surgery, but I knew it was time, man.

Mentally, physically, I was just, I was ready for it to be done, to be honest with you. Yeah, what was it most? I mean, I know you had the ankle this year, but like when you talked about over the last like three, four years, like what being a human is actually and aging a little bit and being like, shit, man, this is actually getting hard. What were the things that were tough for you? And then how were you adjusting your game, as you alluded to? Yeah, well, I think, well, as far as, like, mentally, like, we had such a tight group in Dallas, my first, like, six or seven years, like a bunch of core guys that, you know, I'm still really close with. And those guys started to, like, slowly trickle away.

And it was like, there was like a three-year stretch where, like, say, I had six or seven of my, like, my guys on the team. After that three-year stretch, everyone was gone. And it was just kind of getting used to, you know, I'm the older guy. I'm the guy everyone's looking to. but it's kind of trying to find a way to dive back into the team. You know what I mean? Because I was so into it my first six or seven years. Like that's all I did was football and just the group we had in Dallas.

We just had a great, great nucleus there. So that was tough, like having my buddies leave and trying to kind of restart with the young guys, which, you know, I did. And they're great guys and I love them and, you know, great teammates. But you know what that is. When you come in, those, like, guys that you're with the first, like, four or five years, it's tough to replicate that throughout your whole career. It's funny because like when I was old and I was in Philly, like, Elaine was like my little brother.

And he used to be like, you know, call me old and all this shit. And then he texted me a year or two ago. I was like, I see what you mean, man. He's like, yeah, it's just different. Like, you're all gone. Right. Like, you know, I love the new guys, but they're like all the guys I came up with. Right.

The guys you're spending time with outside of the building, you know, their families, their wives, their kids. And just like the people you really grew up with in the league. Yeah. So that was tough for me. And then I think just like being so close, like a few of those years, like we were, in my opinion, like, I thought we, we had a team that could make a run and, and, you know, have a chance that. And, you know, when those, those couple years slip away in and you see things start to change and you're like, damn, did I miss my, my window when I was there? And, you know, I thought I gave it one more go. And then obviously this season didn't go, you know, as planned. And, you know, it was just time, dude. It's like people, people say, like, you'll know when you're done. And I just, I knew 100% on it was done. That's 100% true and it's hard to know what that means until you know. Right. Yeah, because I was like, I was the classic like young guy like, dude, full piss and vinegar.

Like I'm playing to my legs fall off. Like I'm not going to. And then, you know, you get to the point. You're like, all right. It's, it's been a good run, but it's time. No question. And, you know, like can definitely identify with what you talk about. Coming in the league and having like good vets around you.

You can't. Yeah. Oh, dude. Our vets. When I got there, the vets were unbelievable. I mean, we had, you know, Witten and. Sean Lee and Romo and those guys. Those guys were great.

Those were some of the most fun years, too, because you're young and you don't know what the hell is going on. You're just playing ball, and, you know, you're happy because, you know, you're within the crew of these veterans. And, yeah, so those first few years definitely were fun for me. Who were you guys up front? I know Frederick was there. Yeah, me.

And then, you know, I came into an O-Line room that, like, you know, we had Trave, obviously Tyron. Doug Free was our right tackle my first few years in there. He was like a huge help to me. It was awesome having a veteran next to you. And then Ron Leary, Lyle Collins. Like we had a squad there. Obviously those first few years I was there.

Was it hard watching the way Travis's retirement went? Because he was, I mean, when you read his Wikipedia, just as a dumb, like, kind of a side level. Yeah. Like it goes, Frederick made his fifth Pro Bowl, you know, 29. And then the next line is Frederick retires at 30. Yeah.

You know, like how hard was that to see, you know, a mentor of yours kind of go out that way? Yeah, it was tough because we came in back-to-back years. Like, we were the first round picks back-to-back years. And we were the same, I stayed five years in college. So we were the same age, same class coming out. So, like, we were like best friends. Like he was the guy was playing next to. We played really well together.

It was that was really kind of the moment where, in my opinion, our line kind of started to change. like when Trav left because, you know, it is when you have, when you have a core guy at center, who's a dominant player who's, you take, you take it for granted. That's for sure. I took them for granted. Like, I remember that training camp the next, the next year and nothing against the guys we had. But, like, even just the like operation at the line of scrimmage, you're like, damn, this is, this was never that hard. Like, this was always just very like, all right, here it is.

Let's go. So that was tough from definitely a blow to kind of our line when he left. left for sure yeah the Kelsey situation it reminds me of like like they were able to stabilize his group was so good around him yeah you know but like there were adjustments where you realize oh shit this guy was calling out all the protections everything and he didn't miss games like those games I think the only games he missed were the games that he missed that year that he was sick yeah I think that's the only games he ever missed in his career so he was always on the field he was always healthy tough his nails smart like he just everything so I've already mentioned but the best

The best tackle I played with was Lane, in my opinion. At the time, I played with him. He was absolutely dominant. And when people ask me about him, I always point to like a game or an anecdote. And I'm like, I remember when he blocked Von Miller, like, all game. Like, it was boring. I never seen it look so boring. Tyron Smith in his prime was boring like that.

Like, are there moments that you remember watching him on tape playing a certain person or something he did and being like, yeah, this guy is like rare? Yeah, I mean, I remember when I first got in the league, like, I was just like, you know, you look at him. He's, you know, he's 315 pounds with a six-pack with arms down to his ankles. Like, he's just a freakazoid. Bill and a V. Yeah, Bill like a V. Like, I saw him yesterday, actually, and he looked like he played defensive end, you know.

But like my, when I got in, we played some good guys. I mean, we played, I remember we played the Rams, Robert Quinn and him. That was when Robert Quinn was, like, rolling. And I remember that game, like, you just. could kind of delete that guy from the game, honestly. This first few years I play with Tyrant for sure when he was healthy, kind of before he got bit by the injury bug. That like 14, 15, 16, you know, he was as good as it gets, in my opinion.

In our division, we obviously had him, Trent, Peters was still rolling, and then Lane was coming up. So we had, you know, probably the top four tackles in the whole league in our division. Yeah, it's unbelievable. So it was cool to like kind of, you know, it's natural for you to watch other good guys around the league and kind of compare. So we were always watching this tape of these elite left tackles.

And it was cool to kind of see Tyron stack up. And, you know, my opinion, those few years, he was as good as it gets. No question. You know, the funny story that I read, and I didn't know this story, was second year. You go to the Pro Bowl and John Gruden and you have a conversation to change your career. Can you tell our listeners what that conversation was? Dude, it's so funny because I was talking to. So I went to the,

2015 was cool because my brother-in-law is Tyler Eifford. Yeah. Tight-ended to bangles. So he, that was the year he made the Pro Bowl. So we got to, we both went out there. And it was also the only year that the Pro Bowl was in Hawaii during my career.

So we took a big group out there. And one day, you know, like we were just sitting in the pool. We had a bunch of guys sit in the pool drinking. And Groodin comes up and starts talking, talking smack to everyone. And me and Ifer,

we're like the two young guys in the pool. We're in our second year. And he just starts. going in on. I was talking about how Tyler, you know, can't catch the ball in the primetime games. And I looked it up because I was curiously, I was thinking about that story. And like, I had the most penalties in my career that, that year, 2015. I think I had like five or six penalties. And he was going in on me about holding and, you know, you get too many holding calls. And I had Bill Callahan, who he had coached with Callahan. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm looking on Calhands'

ass because, you know, you hold too much. You hold too much. And, you know, I think I had like three, three holding calls or four holding calls after that uh that year what you do you were just like oh shit i didn't know i was doing that like let me just fix that or was there something that you were doing in your game that you had to adjust from like a technique standpoint i didn't even really know that was i mean i knew i wasn't getting penalized very much and then you know a few years ago that stack came out i just think i have a pretty good understanding of like what a hold is and like when it can potentially be called like i don't know like i i know if i'm in a bad spot and like the deal i would starts pulling away, I'm just going to let go.

It's not worth holding. And then if you got an understanding where the plays going, you can kind of get away with, you know, I'm not saying I don't hold. I hold all the time. You all do. You all do. You get away. But, I mean, you hold less than anybody because, you know, I guess three since I, you said it was three after you talked to John Gruden. Do you remember who the, do you remember your holding calls?

Because if you had so few. I had one that I know for sure that I was. pissed about at the time and I've seen it since and I still don't think it's a hold. We played a game in Pittsburgh in 2016 like down to the wire. And it was on, it was on Shazir. We were running duo and he like fired me agap and I kind of gulfed them up and they got me for a hold, but he dove at the last second. So that one sticks with me, but the rest of them, no, not really.

The other couple. Yeah. And so you know what a hold is. You know what a catch is too, don't you? Yeah, I do. So that was your rookie. year with Des? That was my rookie season, yeah.

Can you take me down on the field, like, as this is all going down, because I'll never forget watching on TV and being like, surely. Dude, people ask me, I'm just like, again, like, back to my rookie year. Like, I was just a young dude. Like, I was playing well, but, like, I didn't have a worry in the world, but, like, doing my job and nothing else. So, like, looking back now, I didn't realize how big of a deal, like, that whole thing was. And I never made it past the divisional round.

So that was the furthest I ever made it in the playoffs. And at the time, you're like, oh, yeah, we got all these guys coming back. We'll make a run at it. So, like, at the time, I wasn't as like, I guess I just wasn't, like, aware enough to be, like, that devastated over it. Right. You think you're going back a lot. Now looking back on it, it's like, damn, if we would have won that, we played Seattle. We already beat Seattle that year in Seattle.

And then, you know, who knows what could happen. So, you know, that could have been our best chance when I was there to make a run at it. And then wasn't that when the Packers got lucky then, or no, the Seahawks got lucky the next game. No, the Seahawks were the Packers should have beat. They were killing the Seahawks up there. And they ran that fake field goal. Seahawks. And then Seahawks.

And then that was the year that New England, the Butler. Luckyest team in the NFL secret three Hawks, bro. Everything. Well, just playing in division. I kind of hated them. Who did you hate the most in your division? Did you hate the Eagles? Like, you know.

Billy by far. Not even close. Not even close. Not even close. What do you hear about the Eagles? Because there's a lot of Eagles fans listening because it's kind of a Philly. Yeah. Like, tell them what you hate about them if you can.

Dude, I like, it's like I hate them by far like my least favorite team. But like I also loved playing Philly. I loved playing in Philly. It's my favorite away stadium by far, not even close. Great grass. And we play their Sunday night. Every time we played it, it was a Sunday night or it was the prime time afternoon game. So, like, it was always great atmosphere.

We always had good games. And that was, like, when I was in Dallas, like, that was by far our biggest rivalry. Like, you know, we, I would say we, majority of the time, we beat Washington and New York over the last 10 years where Philly, it was always like, who's going to be Dallas or Philly. The thing that pisses me off about Philly the most, bro, honestly, is, like, you have two, they have two Super Bowls since I've been playing it. And I'm like, dude, we've had teams that are as good if not, like, that's what bugs me about it. It's like they they found a way to put it together and win a couple

Super Bowls and we've shit down our leg and lost in the division. Listen like I'll give you this. Our 17 team was good but like we call lightning in a bottle. Like we just had it. Whatever that is, we just had it. And but this team this year. This team this year was they were they were really good. People ask me like what would happen if we played them. I'm like, I don't know how we stopped Sequorn Barclay. Like let's stop there. Let's start right there. Like I don't even know. Well, yeah, with the combination they had this year with the run game, the line, and then defensively. I thought defensively, they were, you know, Philly, you guys have always had the pass rush.

That's never been a question. But as far as everything else, I just feel like they kind of, they solidified everything else. And they sold them the linebackers and then they have John Mitchell and Dijian, and you're like, okay, well, rushing coverage work together. How was the, how was the battles with Fletcher? I mean, that's like my, I feel like everyone has that kind of like a rival in like the league. If you play for like a certain amount of time and like Fletcher is that guy for me for sure, like not even close. Like Donald obviously was like the boogeyman for everybody. But like Fletcher twice a year for I think after my second year is when Schwartz got there and when he was stuck on defense and left, defense to tackle every snap he didn't move.

So it was me and him, like, 75 plays a game for, like, eight straight years. There's collisions. So, yeah, and it's cool now. Like, I got a ton of respect for him because, like, I remember those weeks playing. I'm like, those were the weeks where you put the extra time in, you're constantly thinking about your game playing against them. And last year, I got to, I mean, I've obviously talked to him throughout our career, but last year I went out to his ranch down here in Texas.

I did you know with him for a little. Yeah, he invited me out there and kicked it with him for a couple days out there, which was cool. Like he just retired. Yeah. Kind of talked about like my future, but it was cool to kind of just chill with him after going at it for so many years. He is the man.

I love it. Yeah, he's great. And he made it easy on the guy, which was me, line up next to him because he was such a classic, like he was going to be in the right place. Like he's old school.

You know what I mean? Yeah. He was going to jet the, you know, the B gap. And that was going to be power. And if he was going to win, he was going to win inside,

he was going to do it quick. So you knew I could rush. talk you that way, but like he was just a real professional. You know what I mean? Yeah, he's just, dude, he's a stud. Like, he's an absolute stud. But I do, when I think back of my career, like, I always think about like my matchups with him. Like, sure. Yeah. How about the new guy, Jalen Carter? I think he's incredible. I mean, he has a chance to be incredible. Yeah, classic. Like, you get an all-time great three technique. And then when he retires, they, you know, Carter falls in their laughs perfectly. Uh, yeah. No, yeah, he's a problem. He's going to be a problem for a

long time. You could tell like his first year, like last year, he was still kind of splitting reps and like he just didn't have the reps to like really get like polished up. Yeah. And then this year was like completely different story. Like he, um, he's, I'm trying to think around the league. Like I would say he's as good as it gets as a young defense alignment for sure. He can beat you in a bunch of different ways. Oh, no question. He's like Gumbie. Like he's like, yeah. He's totally different than Fletch. Like they're totally different. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But Does it get harder in the NFL? Like, and I guess this was kind of around the time.

Shit, because we all started rotating a lot more like around 2010 is when I feel like it became more of a rotation league. Yeah. And so, dude, did you ever find it hard to, you know, see one guy and a guy who was a total change of pace throughout the game? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The best example is that is the Williams, the one who just signed in New England from Philly. Yeah, yeah, Milton.

Milton, like for a couple of years there, he was the change-up guy. So, like, when they had Fletch and Hargraves, you know, you had those hammers coming out and just jetting up the field nonstop. And then Milton would come in and hit you with kind of the Gumby armovers. And so, yeah, when you get a guy who, especially when you play a guy like Fletcher who's like power, power, power, you just got to, you're thinking about your anchor all day. And then you get a guy who hits you with a little finesse when you're thinking about sitting on power all day.

it can be difficult. I think the biggest difference in the D-line is like when I first got in, every team had a guy, at least one guy, but now every team's got like three or four dudes who can win one-on-one consistently. And like you said, the rotation. I mean, you got a long drive and then they bring in these fresh dudes. And like last year in Philly, their fresh dude was Jalen Carter. So it's like, all right, Fletcher, Fletcher, and then Jalen Carter for five snaps.

No question. That position, in my opinion, has been the biggest, like, evolution. since I've been playing. Did Brandon Graham ever talk shit to you or did he know better? No, he talks shit all the time. He just does. No, all all, all game. I remember we were playing there in 2020, Terrence Steeler, right tackle now.

He was a rookie. He was an undrafted rookie in 2020. And we had all these injuries. So, you know, we had like two weeks of training camp. And it was like, hey, dude, you're starting right tackle this year. And we played Philly night game in Philly. Like, I don't even know. I don't think there was a crowd.

But he was in his ass. yeah it was COVID grandma's in his ass all night and he was every time we played him he didn't he didn't stop talking no he does not he does not stop talking um I don't know if you remember but he's not an ass he's not an asshole really he's not a dick about it he's just talking like good good smack he's not like clean g-rated smack yeah yeah yeah it's like movie smack yeah you know it's like I've been watching you on film like you better it's better I've been watching I've been watching on tape you got no chance yeah I've been watching you bro um I don't know if you remember this

but when we played y'all and i guess it was 17 you remember the game at y'all stadium where it was like really close oh yeah at our stadium yeah it was at y'all stadium and y'all had some like crazy fourth down catch and like anyways me and brandon graham were standing over who was the right tackle uh lyell collin till the ball was snapped because we were arguing over who had to rush over tyrant smith like the ball snapped and i think i lost the game of chicken and was like running over to right end in ball snap like yeah he's got a kind of kind of elbow brace right to the side of the helmet dude pretty much he's still fucking good y'all had such a good group and i love playing collins too because he was a tough guy yeah he's dog

like he's just like he played better like i remember one year we were playing in uh Oakland i think it was 17 too it was when cluel mac was like rolling and like it's first snap and he starts talking shit to him and i'm like what are you doing bro like like like like third down he gets in a four eye sometimes like shut up you know but he but he was like one of those guys that played better like when he was talking shit he played better yeah i just saw him in a casino a couple months ago and we dabbed up and he was like bro it was all love he was the nice of god oh he's the best but on the field you were like he wants to kill me you know yeah so that was his superpower yeah it was his superpower so so i just wanted to like pretend i'm a young

guard and you've come back to coach you know uh for the cowboys or something it's just total fantasy land but i'm gonna i'm gonna say a player's name and you tell me what it's gonna take to block the guy okay j j watt i got to block j j watt this week what what's that going to be like zach uh you can't lean on them ever you got to keep your head out of it i say that's first and foremost you got to get your hands on and then get ready for late power but i number one keep your head back because if you lunge at him he's going to swim me in your ear look stupid right yeah he was a big like if you anchored and ducked and then also like hope he doesn't pick you because he could go he was just i feel like they just told him like line up wherever and he he was the king of like the

backside four technique like outside swim on the tackle make a play in the back field like stuff like that i'm kind of definitely freelance work but like it's got you know your mind and a pretsil because you're second guess and how you're if you're gonna fire off yeah try to you know but that's the that's truth he'd get in a four-eye with his with his inside hand down take the jab step into the b and the tackle was coming down swim over i mean it was like like peeling bananas for him all right so how about arundonnell you called him the boogeyman yeah is it just like good luck kid or what what are you going to do it's make sure that slides coming your way if it's not you fucking bark until it does if the slide doesn't come your way like that's a that's a that's a that's a

stake by the coordinator, yeah? Yeah, no, definitely. We used to have these arguments all the time. Like McCarthy, when he got in there in 2020, he had like, we had like a star rule where there was only like a few, a few guys, but we had star protection. We're like, no matter, he would just call star, like, no matter what the defense was, like we're sliding that guy no matter what. Early in my career, like, we didn't have that.

I don't know if like the coaches were just like, oh, we're just going to have you go up one-on-one and see how you do or whatever, but we had just. to that as our careers went on and got to slide to him. But yeah, that was like going to Game Week star, no matter what they're doing defensively, get someone over to him. Do you know he weighed, he weighed 258, he told me, the Super Bowl year? Yeah, I mean, that doesn't make you feel great. No, dude.

I'm like, 25 pounds on him. Okay, yeah. It's crazy. Was he the pound for pound the strongest guy you ever played? Yeah, not even. I mean, dude. he and this is not taking away from anyone else in the league but like when people talk to him i know i'm not obviously didn't play in those eros and it's air to era but like it's hard for me to think that there's a

defensive player that was ever better than this guy um you're preaching the choir yeah i mean he just and i i tell i tell us all the time i tell my wife this i remember we were playing him one year and i was like i've never like i've never like i've never like a dude really going into a game like like i knew it would be a hard game like oh this would be a tough game i'm at to play my best like blah blah blah but when you play him like those were definitely the weeks where it was like you're thinking about him yeah like trying to go you know like you run a play and practice like where you may not have the slide or you get a like you're not you don't get a double team on and you're just like hold on what's going on here are we running this play in the game plan is this play in uh so he's he's the one guy i would say that

like keeps you up at night when you were getting ready to play because it was like the thing about him is he was like a total option rusher like But you can just make you look stupid, like any way he really wanted to. Like if you fired out at him, if you think, oh, I'm going to get on him quick and fire out of him. He'll just hit you with a quick move. It'll be past you. If you sit back on him, he'll just stutter boy you. And I mean, he'll plant you on your back.

Yeah. And then you're, you know, he's your on his highlight tape. So can just make you look bad in a lot of different ways. Did anybody ever make you look bad that's not well known that you want to take him in to be like, hey, congrats. That was a good rush. Yeah, for sure. Let me think here. I mean, there's definitely, definitely guys.

What's the worst rep of your career? Dude, I got beat up by Detroit this year. McNeil got after me pretty good this year when we played Detroit. But he's good, though. I think he's. I thought he was, yeah, he was good. He's really good. He got hurt right after we played him too.

Dude, I don't know. That's a great name. You're like, that Detroit game sounded bad, bro. I'm like, then it was. Like, well, because it was kind of, I don't know where we at in the year. We were like, we hadn't, we obviously, we weren't doing well, but they were kind of like the team. And it was like, you know, we put a bunch of, you know, those weeks where everyone's kind of hyping up for the game, hyping up for the game.

And then like we just lay this egg. I mean, they just beat the hell out of us on both sides of the ball. So was, was Gino Atkins in the league when you were in the league? I played against him. I would say I played against him once when he was like rolling. Yeah, yeah. And that was that we played him in 26. which was like probably our best, probably my best season, like our best year, like,

up front. And like, you know, when you play, sometimes when you play those out of division, like games we don't play against someone a lot, like, I don't ever really remember, like, going against them all that much. I think we ran the shit out of the ball. And, like, I don't remember ever being, like, a bunch of third down, like, a one-on-one person. And were there games where, like, when you had Zique and you were rolling,

where you guys were campaigning against the guys? a good team that could rush well. Not that you couldn't block, but like, hey, let's just run the damn ball. Is that kind of what's going on in an offensive? Yeah, I remember we played, uh, we played Green Bay in 2016 up in Green Bay. And they were really good that year. And we, we, we, we, we, we, we'd beat them bad. Like, we, I think Zeke had like 2.20 on the ground. And, and they could rush. They had Clay Matthews, uh, Mike, uh, Daniels was rolling. Uh, they had Perry, like, they could rush. Kenny Clark, young Kenny Clark. And, um, we played in the playoffs that year and we got behind and we had to throw it.

Yeah. And, you know, those games, you realize you're like, damn, you know, we just hand it, hand it to 21, 25 times today. Here's the flip side of the question, Coach, Zach. If, if, now that you're retired and Secret Safe, how do you beat Zach Martin? What, what did you have that you knew about that maybe other people, you obviously weren't going to talk about it? I always hated the, uh, if someone could get a really good, like, up,

in out move like jab me inside really hard because I I played pretty top heavy yeah like I kind of I kind of was like a head butt guy yeah like I always like kind of get my head on them and then and then kind of snap into it so if someone could get me on like a little stutter inside and I could get me going a little bit and then work back outside that that would be the move I would tell someone a bunch of people are kicking themselves right now. All right so guard markets blowing up yeah 20 million a year some guys are making any part of you like damn born a little too soon yeah yeah i mean it's crazy you see it and you know guys like i mean like tray smith would have probably broken the bank he got franchise but if he if he had gone to the open market i mean off of the garl will be pushing 25 million

here in the next year or so which is crazy you know um but i you know i did all right and i uh you did I, you know, I, I, I held out a little bit the last two years ago and got a little extra something there at the end of my career, which was, uh, which was good. Was the hold out? You held out. Was the hold out weird? Like, was it weird to hold out? Because you're not like a guy that I think of as like, no, I remember, dude, I was sitting in my, uh, yeah, it was really weird to answer your question, but I remember sitting in my, uh, like during training camp, my mother-in-law was down here with me and my wife and we were, like, sitting around talking one night. It was in the middle of camp, like, all my boys are out there

practicing and I just looked around I was like I'm a holdout guy I'm a holdout guy I'm that you know I'm T.O I'm like yeah you know like you know like you know like yeah you'd be like I would never but never dude I like yeah it sucked it sucked but you got you they they took care of you that's yeah they took care of me and it worked and like it was it was one of those things that it would not have happened if I had not done that like and I was pretty aware of that you know where I was like age-wise in my contract where the team was like financially and everything like it was not going to happen unless i did that so you know i had to do when you'd run into like jerry not that you would because you were probably not in the building but like yeah would jerry be like

can i talk to you for a second or would was jerry the type that would let the the agents hand no no he he just like lets it like he just like lets it simmer he like loves it like we we went i remember McCarthy called me one night and was like how's it going this is is during camp and I'm like I haven't talked to him in like two weeks. And what do you mean? I was like, I have not spoken to them for two weeks. I have no idea. I have not spoken to them.

And he's like, what do you mean you haven't talked to him? So he definitely loves playing the game. And luckily, they played the first preseason game in Dallas and he stayed back. And like I went in and met with him the next day like in Dallas. He came back from California. And then, you know, a few days later I was flying out there. It's like worse than getting the silent treatment from your wife. I don't know if it's worse, but it sounds like a drive the insane.

And like for the first, I didn't think it was going to last that long. So like I told, we go to Indiana for, for the summer. So like my wife and kids are up there. And I'm like, I'm just going to fly to Dallas. Like hopefully it'll only be a couple days. And then I'll fight to California. So don't worry about it. So then it ends up going like two and a half weeks.

And like into the second week, I like call my wife. I don't really think this is going to happen anytime soon. You guys might want to head down here. I'm getting kind of lonely. Yeah. It's so damn funny, man. I could never imagine. So it just hit me.

Was 14 your rookie year? 14 yeah 14 do you remember when we all got in a big fight in oxford oh yeah rams and in the cal yeah that was i think that was the next was that 15 was that 15 it was 15 yeah because yeah yeah so all i remember was like the fight started and for people obviously zach knows this but for people listening like it was a three field fight it was like there were yeah running and i didn't even know who to hit they were it felt like running through a medieval battle And like, dude, I've got a funny story about this. Yeah.

I wasn't. So I missed it. Oh, you, because literally five minutes before the fight started, we ran a play. We ran like a toss play. And I pulled out to the right. And T.J. McDonald was blitzing off the edge. And he hit the blitz, like, right on the snap. Dude, I had this stinger.

Like, both my arms were numb. So I was in the training room, like, getting my neck checked out, like, my arms. And then that, and then Des came running. in like hot he's throwing his helmet throwing his pads and our trainers were like running in they're like it's it's mayhem out there mayhem so i missed i missed it i mean obviously i saw the videos i was talking to all the guys but literally five minutes before that t j macdonald smoked me off the edge and i was in i was under the 10 yo t j really hit man like i'll never forget we were on the fence and like it was a big scrum and dudes were like punches were flying and and i looked

up like two feet away from me on the fence and rams fans are like because this is in Oxnard, they're getting in the fight, dude. Like people are on the fence and fighting players. Like it was insane, dude. I'll never forget that. And the other funny thing was like, I remember at one point, like in the fight, like turning and seeing Tyron Smith and being like, all right, never mind. My buddy, Ben Gardner, he's like a seventh round pick, D.N.

He was hurt his whole first year. And he's like the main guy when they were showing the clips on, NFL network he gets like he's standing there and then like two Rams guy one for his front one from the back just coming like split over 70 and number 97 dude he was yeah i got a photographic memory on this year bro 70 was uh e j washington or something was his name he was from miami and he just like totally cheap shot at your boy and hit him in the back and then your boy tried to get up and jean sims who's my buddy who's a dirt bag yeah something hits him as well and uh yeah i'll just never forget that one that was crazy yeah that was great yeah that was right that was right it was

that fuck oh my god dude all right so hard right turn into what's next for you bro like you said you know you're happy with the decision everything but i just remember retiring and being like hey what's next you've been doing this your whole life like yeah are you the type that's going to be able to sit around a little bit and catch your breath or you got to go right back into something i hope i'll be able to kind of just chill for a little bit like we're moving like i said we're moving up to Indiana. So we're doing that like this summer. So we got that whole thing going on. And I got young kids. My oldest is starting first grade. So just kind of getting up there and starting kind of our new life and then figuring it out. I'm going to have to do something. I mean, I'll go crazy if I'm not doing anything. But I'm hoping for the first, I don't know, year.

So I can kind of just chill and maybe help out at a high school or whatever. Dude, you should. I made the mistake of trying to get right to work. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're going to need like you're going to need to step off. the treadmill for a second so good on you man you know you can do any cowboys media stuff like if if you do media do you feel weird talking about the cowboys because i always feel weird talking about like the eagles it's getting better because i yeah less guys are on the team that i play with you know i mean absolutely uh yeah i think it'd be hard for me to like talk about the cowboys just because like i do i am close to a lot of guys there and like i don't know sometimes i watch people up there talking and I'm just like it's hard.

Yeah, it's just hard. I know it's hard. And I just, I don't know if I want to put myself in that position. And so, like right now, no. Yeah. I don't think I'll do anything like that. Yeah. And I can't see you shitting on guys and getting all gratuitous.

Yeah. I think there's a fine line like you can, you can take where, um, you can do it without it made feeling like, oh, I know these guys. I'm going to take a shot at it. Well, let me give you an opportunity to talk good about a couple of them. Um, my favorite. player, one of my favorite players, was in the same draft class as you, DeMarcus Lawrence. I just think, and he's in Seattle now, but he's got to be one of the best run defenders of the

decade at his position, and in my opinion, one of the best complete players at his position. He gets, though, I mean, he doesn't have, he doesn't always have the sack numbers, so, like, people don't, you know, people aren't obsessed with them or whatever, but you're right. Like, when you watch the tape, If you take Crosby out of the mix, I would find it hard to believe you find someone who plays harder than him on a consistent basis. Like the dude just plays. Like if you turn the tape on, he is running to the ball. He is rushing. He's playing the run.

He does everything. And, you know, he's had years where he's obviously had 16, 17 sacks. But like you said, in the run game, if he's not out there, like you can tell in our run defense. Well, as you know, sacks aren't everything. Disruption is a beat of it. and so many people eat because of his disruption. And then the other guy, you know, obviously is Michael Parsons. And I got to imagine the first time you saw him rush.

Like I'll never forget when we first saw Aaron and not to put the guys on the same level or whatever. But like we were shocked. Like it took our breath away. Like there's certain guys you like see your team draft. And you're like, yeah, he might be pretty good. And then the first day it's like, oh, my God. Like this guy is going to be out. Like, do you remember the first Micah Parsons impression?

Well, I remember his first year, he was playing off the ball linebacker, even in training camp. So, like, yeah, you saw the speed and, like, the freakiness a little bit. And then it was, like, week two, we had a bunch of injuries, week one. And week two, we played the Chargers. And we were down, we were down a couple D-N. So, like, we're going to put him at D-N for the whole game. And, you know, he had, like, two sacks, like, five pressures. And then never kind of came off that spot.

And then, ever since then, like, training camp especially, like, he's got those Donald qualities where if you're not sliding to him, like, he'll just ruin your whole practice. So we had like for the first time in my career ever, it made in this way for Aaron too. Like we had like training camp rules for him, like stuff that we would not use during the season at all. But just so we could have a practice, we're sliding to him no matter what. Wherever he's at, we're going to him. We're making sure we got two hats on him so we can like look and have some confidence as an offense when we roll out there week one. But yeah, he does like to your point, like I'm not going to put him in that category yet because like I said, I think Donald's.

the top of the top but he does have like he does kind of have those traits where he can beat you pretty much anyway um and for being like a smaller guy he's only about 240 the power i mean you'd be surprised at his power i mean he can pick you up and dump you no question i mean he's a wrestler right he grew up wrestling and all that yeah and i remember meeting him and not thinking out he's not that big but like and he's not like jacked up like he looks like pretty unassuming when you see him and then he's just got that fast twitch and he can go no question yeah question you're gonna go on his podcast? I don't know.

I don't know. It was definitely a point of conversation this year. It was, dude. It was. No question. It was a little bit of a point of conversation. I think he, I'm going to be honest, I find it refreshing that he just says whatever he thinks.

You know what I mean? And like, I can tell he loves the game. Yeah. One thing, if you guys not make him plays, doesn't love the game. But when he plays, he plays his ass all. and he makes plays and when he gets up there i kind of take it for what it is like he just he's just he's himself everybody's all obsessed with branding now and shit all this bullshit at least he's just being himself is what i see from he is and you know unfortunately it's in you know dallas you just get

little you know all those eyes are on you so you know you say one thing and then it becomes a thing in the locker room and then it's become it that that's just the only thing but like you said he is authentic i'll give him that like he is yeah he is micah all day every day yeah It was the Dallas thing? I mean, I'm trying to ask this so you're not putting a position where you've got to be like, yeah, it's a distraction. It becomes a quote or something. But like I do feel like it had to be a little bit distracting at times.

Like things like to me, and you can tell me wrong, your facility seemed like it was a zoo. Like, you know, there'd be like a high school game going on or a bunch of people around. And like you said, anything you say is out there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely like, I was a little lucky. Coming from Notre Dame, like a little bit of like I was exposed to that a little bit um and then coming i mean i'm not

gonna lie there's there's a lot that goes on in that building but it's kind of one of those things where you just kind of got to embrace it and be like this is our environment and right you know you can't keep using it as an excuse um it's gonna keep happening so it's just um i think it's hard for the young guys especially like the new the new age of young guys that are so like the social media and like because coaches all you know the coach talk don't look at it don't see it. It's like, dude, you can't, they're going to see it. Well, but then here's what drives me nuts. And I don't know if your coaches ever did this, but like, hey, we don't listen outside noise.

First day of fucking camp. Hey, here's this quote about how you all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, exactly. You know, but I totally, I totally know what you mean. I mean, and when you say there's shit going on in that building, like, let me tell you from experience, there's shit going on in every building.

It's just the coach. Right. And that's like, I'm not the best person because, like, I've never been anywhere else, you know? So, like, I will get guys in and you'll hear stories. And it's like, yeah, but like for me, it was just like this is just my norm for the last 11 years. Like I just kind of got used to it. Well, it's like a first class organization. Like if you're, they, they spare no expense.

Whereas like, hey, I've been on teams where our meal in St. Louis, we had P.F. Chang's one day. We had Italian the next day and we have Mexican the next day. Those were our in-season meals. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We didn't have a chef. So, like, I'll take the distractions. Well, that's what it is right there. It's give and take.

Like, yeah. There's a lot of good stuff that comes with playing. where the Dallas guy was a lot of good stuff. No, so it's just that give and take. How about, how about Tyler Smith? Because it was pretty, like, pretty quickly, I was like, oh, yeah, he's going to be a 10-year guy. Like, he's, yeah, he's a, he's, and funny too, right?

There was a quote, I think the quote was, Jalen Tolbert sprained his fucking nuts, is what he said. Yeah, yeah, it was out to be Pittsburgh. So he's a funny guy. He's a good player. Tell me about Tyler a little bit. Yeah, like, another, like, just like, raw. a freak, like, strong as an ox.

Like, you watch him sometimes, and he may not have, like, the cleanest technique, but he's just absolutely mauling a dude. Like, he's one of those maulers. And then, like, I think the most impressive thing from Tyler is that he came in, played left guard as, like, a raw prospect. Like, they definitely drafted him, like, on, hey, this guy can't be this. Yeah. And then Tyron gets hurt at the end of training camp,

and he's been playing left guard as a rookie. And then he plays, he starts 17 games in left half. That's crazy. And then the next year comes in and he's a all pro left guard. So, you know, credit to our scout guys because they, they hit the, they hit the nail in the head with, with him as far as position flex, like just attitude guy. Like, he's one of those guys that you roll out with an O-Li, he won on your own line. That's like not going to let anyone fuck with any of the dudes on the O-Line.

And he's going to be like the enforcer out there. So he's going to be good, like he said, for the next 10 years there. How did Jalen sprained his nuts? Do you know? No, I think he got like hitting the balls, like the play before and then caught the game winning touchdown. And like in the locker, he was just like hyped up. He's like, he sprained his nuts and then caught touchdown. Bro, that's so funny.

And that game was a shit show. Yeah, that was the, it didn't get over to like 1 o'clock? Bro, I was up watching because didn't you all have like a lightning delay that night? We had a lightning day. We didn't kick off to like 10, 10 o'clock or something like that. It's tough on the fans here, bro. you know i'm like i work in football i got to worry about us like going in stripping all of our pads off yeah no so we got to go out and rewarm up yeah i got to hit i got to hit handstring kicks

yeah yeah the other guy i wanted to ask you about maybe the last guy was was overshone because he was immediately i know he's got a bad injury and everything but like talk to talk to talk to his ceiling because i feel like he can be special he's like the in my he's like the prototypical like new age linebacker, like, not like the biggest guy, but again, like a dude with like crazy power for weighing 220, 225. And then he runs like a safety. I mean, he's, when he started rolling last year is like when our entire kind of season, you know, we, we won some games late. And, you know, a lot of it was, it was, you know, him, his play on defense making, you know, big splash plays and also just being that consistent in the middle. So he's another guy that, uh, he was budding.

with Jerry's grandson and he used to come to training camp like my first few years he was in high school or like great school with Jerry's grandson and would come up training camp in Oxnard and like be running around and then you know six or seven years later redraft him and he's like you know now our franchise linebacker that's when you feel old yeah yeah yeah that's true yeah he's got and I just saying the defense man you know I don't know if he was hurt by the time this game happened I can't remember but the way they played Tampa yes like when I saw that defense play that night and those guys in the second they were head hunting and everything like I was like this defense can be I mean it's got the bones of one of the best in the league if not the best in the league like they have a shot yeah

absolutely and I like like I don't know either they got Iber flus back I don't know if you yeah have any spending time with him but he was the he was like our linebacker DC my first like five years in Dallas yeah and like he's going to be great for for the defense because he's like a no bullshit like run to the ball effort no loafing like it's it's going to work really well with the guys we got well that's awesome man i i um like i said i really enjoyed watching you play and we definitely didn't like you know when the guy had to draw the card where he has the line of a red martin but you you should definitely get your flowers bro you were unbelievable it was it was incredible watching you play and congrats on a great career man well

i appreciate man thank you yeah thanks for having on thanks for coming on dude I've already told you that it's a great interview. My favorite part was the middle. The middle was great. Did you happen to get off the following, which was he's a Zachary, Z, A-C-H-A-R-Y, but he or somebody else was able to make the call to be a hard Zach, Z-A-C-K?

Is he a Z-A-C-K? He's not a Z-A-C-H-E-E-O-H-O. You know what I mean? What? This is huge. No, it's not. What if you were a Chris, Chris, Christopherson? If I was like a Chris with a CR or a KR?

But I'm saying like, what spelling of my name would I really care? But you know what I mean? Another fun fact. First fun fact. Zach Morris was a Z-A-C-K. Is that right? Yes, fictional character. Does that suck for Zach Martin?

No, no, I know. I kind of like the C-K. It's different without being in your face. Can I say something? Yeah. I don't understand the name, Zach. I think that's fair. I just don't get it.

You might get some blowback, but I think that's fair. I mean, every Zach I've ever known has been super cool. Yeah, you have to say that. But Zach is like, it's like, it's right where it's supposed to be in the alphabet. Yeah. Like right at the end. Yep, yep. You know, if I have a fourth child.

Zach's like, I'm never coming back on this fucking show. A name that would be in the running for me is Porn Chai. I think Porn Chai has a good ring to it. It's interesting. What? If I had a fourth kid. Porn chai. Porn chai.

Am I supposed to get this? White Lotus. Porn chai. They said that? Porn chai. He was with Belinda. He was all excited to start the business with Belinda. That's his name?

Yeah, Porn chai. Porn chai. His son or her son was Porn Chai? Oh, that guy's name was Porn Chai? Porn Chai. I just called him Ty Ken. Yeah, really nice guy. Because he was like a Thai Chad.

Yeah. Yeah, no, he was porn shy. P-O-N-C-H-I. What's the spelling of that word? Sure. P-O-R-N-C-H-A-I. You love a good inside joke that shouldn't be an inside joke. I didn't think that was inside, yeah.

I didn't know the fucking guy's name. Yeah. I don't know his name. I mean, you know Guy Talk. I know Guy Talk. I know Mook. I know, you know. Mook, not great.

No, not my favorite. Can we talk about this? Sure. Let's talk about it. Hey, spoiler alert. I love it. Like the spoiler police, they're like, we're talking about like Shawshank Redemption. They're like, you motherfucker.

I was getting around to that. No, you weren't. Yep. You had since like 2000. That's how people do. So we're going to talk about White Lotus now. Here's how I would have ended the show. Okay.

No one dies. Oh. They just apprehend, you know, the valent. That's a good idea. his friends and like take them off in handcuffs and everybody's just enjoying there is that your own idea yeah that's a good idea well i was thinking about it because mike white's so fucking bent out of shape about all the criticism the next one's gonna be nobody yeah that's what i would do in season four if i were mike white okay motherfuckers you don't like all the killing yep nobody dies yep

everybody's gonna be like are you kidding me yep and listen the biggest issue was it's not even like i don't know what people are complaining about here's what i'm I'm complaining about. After seven people get killed on property, like don't run the boats on a normal schedule. Like people were just coming and going kind of in a regular cadence. Yep. Like the girl's trip was like, all right, girls trip over. Let's catch the 11. Oh, I just saw three people get put hold. They were right there. And they were like, let's just get on the boat and go home. But yeah, they're not just going to put you back on the boat after the whole resort gets shot up. Yeah. I think.

Pacing was a problem for most. Maybe one less episode this season could have been right. Maybe half the action in the finale, which I thought was good and entertaining. We saw the whole it was his dad coming a month ago. A mile away, yeah. But maybe you put half that action in the penultimate episode and then we can tie some loose ends up a little better.

All right. Here's something I don't understand. We knew it was going to be his dad, but why not, first off, leave the resort. Correct. Like fucking guys enjoying a buffet. Yes.

Like just walking around. Like I'm good. Yep. Guy, of course, rolls up with his wife and he's pissed. But if it was his dad, why do you think he incited him? You know what I mean?

Maybe that just is evidence how much of a piece of shit he was to run off to Thailand and leave his son at home. But like, why incite the guy? Yeah. Or just tell him that you're his, I'm your dad. Anyways.

I the way it was revealed cool well done I like that they just telegraphed it from from the jump they telegraphed that I was kind of hoping I don't know what this reveals about me but I was kind of hoping that the Duke guy got off I was kind of hoping that um your favorite guy got off like and that was the twist at the end that like something broke in the case yep and he was okay that has been a common takeaway from these White Lotus seasons by Mike White is that the rich people are gonna be just fine. They're always fine, right? Yeah. But I also started to feel bad for him. Like you remember when he kind of decided in his head that he's like, yeah, I'm gonna blend up some of these fucking,

these fucking island nuts and kill my family. Kill my whole family. When she was like railing against the monastery and his daughter came home and she's like, yeah, they don't have organic food. And you got, you got the other son's jacking the other son off. I'm like, man, you know, like, I kind of, I'm starting to feel bad for this guy. Could you live with nothing, son?

I think you could. Yeah. He had the only one spared by dad. So I thought that, you know, everybody's on the biblical thing probably. Yeah. I mean, I did one quick Google to see if, but I came out of it thinking there was some seven deadly sins things going on. You know, there's a garden.

There's fruit, right? Yep. So that's like an Adam and Eve thing. Is he like the lamb, the kid? Oh, okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. Is there a father, son and the Holy Spirit thing?

Am I just fucking, do I just not understand the Bible? No, I think you're on it. Really? I think all that's baked in. It's all baked in. Yeah. Do you want to hear what Mike White said? This is the quote that got my attention.

This is actually aimed at you. When he said, if you don't like it, so I watch it in it? In a way, the pacing and the vibe, it definitely gets under their skin. There was complaining about how there's no plot. That part I find weird. It never did. Part of me is just like, bro, this is the vibe. I'm world building.

If you don't want to go to bed with me, then get out of my bed. I'm edging you. Enjoy the edging. If you don't want to be edged, then get out of my bed. Do you know what I mean? Don't be a bossy bottom. That's you right now. Get the fuck out of my bed.

Don't come home with me. Don't get naked in my bed. Get the fuck out of my bed. Obviously something is going to happen. You know what else he said? Because this guy that did the music on the show, like left. Did you hear about this? He left and they went to New York and was complaining.

And Mike White was like, that was a bitch move. Mike White don't care. Mike White is burn out, bro. Hey, I want to, no, I want to keep getting in bed with Mike White. It's a pleasant six to eight hours. I think it was great. I missed the show already. even if it wasn't up to standard it's something entertaining we need shows to stay sane at this age

more than any age that's right are you a last of us fellow that's coming this sunday who's in that show last of us oh Pedro pascal you know i am but man it's been a while and i've lost some interest they're going to have to hook me back in okay no problem we got you there yeah so anyways i just i just man I get it Mike White next season just don't kill

anybody that would be the ultimate troll job do a whole another season don't kill anybody I did feel

bad for the Duke Dad man I kind of liked them awful I liked them worst written worst act of character in television

history I wish he had died all the times we saw him was it a Ponzi scheme I don't know we don't know that could have been

an interesting story line. Like, knowing a little something about that. Well, maybe he didn't do anything that bad. We'll never know.

Also, the poison berries, a little lackluster. Yeah, like two ounces isn't going to kill you. What kind of, they call him the suicide berries? Yeah.

Also, like, the kid being like, oh, let me just, let me just plop my protein on top of whatever this is. Right.

At the bottom of the, the fucking. Was that not the most, like, you see a, you see a, you knew it was coming. You knew that, that was. That he was going to drink the, yes. Oh, but cleaning it out, I'm saying, like, well, yeah, he would have had to not clean it out because. Right. But he wanted some pinia collada residue because he wasn't allowed to have any.

Oh, you think that's what it was? Yeah. He's stupid. That's a stupid thing, dude. I just thought he was too dumb. And he was just like, oh, I'm not. fix this fucking protein shake anyways that's the last thing I do legitimately the last thing I do oh I mean god damn you want to talk about a real Greek tragedy what I saw last night on the basketball court

hmm Slovenian tragedy no what happened always he's from it's from well I know but Greek the Greeks own the tragedies right I didn't know if there was something that happened in Slovenia No. You're saying that Texas Slovenian tragedy. Yeah. But you're right. I've heard of the Greek tragedies. Yeah.

I mean, it's not a Greek tragedy what happened last night? Dude, I was compelled as probably most others. You see the starting lineup introductions on the social media feed. You're like, all right, this won't live up. Yeah.

And then you're in your feels a little bit. And then you see he's got 31 at half time. But I wasn't even in my fields. I was just more like, I was just more like, this is the most, like, bad dream situation ever.

Like, worst seat, him for sure. He wants to be there. He wants to be there. He wants to be there. They ripped him out of Dallas. And this fucking guy,

Nico Harrison, is probably the, he's probably one of the worst executives ever. Now, I don't know that, like, and I don't watch basketball enough. But whether he wins a title or not in L.A.,

like, this is going to be a thing forever. It's so bad that the conspiracy theories are gaining a little steam. Well, what are the conspiracy theories? The NBA wanted L.A. to be super relevant. So what, do they have naked pictures of the new owners? Like, what is it?

Hey, we'll tank your franchise and y'all get to move to Vegas like you want to. I mean, you know, these theories. seems a little salacious for me i know but it's fun to i just i just cannot imagine a gm or an owner being more hated i mean owners like obviously you have art modell and stuff like that but but as far as the gms concern who's more hated i went and looked at a list of like most hated gms by their fan bases

and like they hate brian cashman i don't watch the baseball as much like his name came up a lot didn't he win a lot of you know why they hate him because he only won a couple titles or something like over a period of certain amount of years who's a who's a more hated GM than this guy Donald Sterling never put on the GM hat I don't think so um yeah I I don't know I also didn't know hand up how beloved Luca was in Dallas. I get it, he's a superstar player. He's been there his whole seven year career.

But damn, everybody put on the shirt. Everybody was crying their eyes out. And Nico was in the fucking tunnel. Yeah. Like a little bitch. You got the fire Nicos. And Mark Cuban is, they showed Mark Cuban and he just like could not watch.

Yeah. He's shaking his head. He could not watch. And I don't think he's shaking his head at, like, the fans. Right, right. I think he's shaking his head because he's like, I cannot believe this thing that I built. Yep.

And I just had to sell it. And now look what happened. It's a terror. That's a nightmare. That's a nightmare that guy, Luca Dantius, who's living in right now. You know, you said you didn't think, you didn't know how much they loved him. Yeah. The funniest fucking video is there's like this, this is right after it happened.

There was a video of the. fans and they were like doing an they were like protesting they like signs and shit they were outside the arena and they were going around with a microphone and being like what are you going to like how do you feel what are you going to do in this one guy's like I'm canceling my season tickets I'm never watching this team again it's the worst Nico's you know a villain yada yeah they go to the next person like I'm burning my maverish jersey and then they go to this next guy and he's like I think I'll just kill myself and the whole crowd goes whoa

and the guy was like uh-huh uh-huh is this what i'm supposed to say like like they really were they were torn up over this guy yeah yeah look at him teary-eyed little what is he slovanian yeah teary-eyed little slovanian um speaking of basketball

did you see uh katelyn clark scored 22 points in two minutes on her on the guy team have you all seen this video as one does i read the caption to the video that I didn't click on. This is one video you need to click on. Okay. Bro, it's unbelievable. So basically Iowa, and I think other universities do this, obviously,

like where they have a guy's team that practice with the women. And, you know, it's like really good high school basketball players. Like these are all, there it is right there. I mean, really good high school basketball players. So it's not like they're playing against slouches, but they find themselves down 15, which is kind of, of which is kind of a part of the headline that it sucks it's such a layup to the to the women haters out there yeah but uh they did find themselves down 15 and with two minutes to go she

started jacking up threes from like half court some of the shots she was hitting this is i don't want to be hyperbolic this is one of the best sequences of basketball i've ever seen i mean obviously it's not the NBA or the NBA finals or something but i've if if we're going off a pickup game because that's what this is like i have not never seen anything like this and the the funniest part is she's on letterman describing the thing and letterman's like tell me about this thing and she's like well we just started hitting threes and letterman's like you mean you she's like well yeah they counted for us and uh we like just me started hitting threes and she goes and and and the boys were so shocked she called them boys

I was like, Jesus Christ, imagine getting cooked by Caitlin Clark for 22 and two minutes and getting called boys. Here's a take. I was offended. I started reading 48 laws of power and listen to fucking who's that Canadian guy in the suits that hates women and does a podcast Jordan Peterson. I started listening to him. I was so offended what she called those kids boys. That's not basketball. What do you mean boys?

We're men. That's scintillating shot making. Did you see that? Yeah, but it's not basketball. It's incredible. Yeah. I am aghast. I'm gobsmacked.

My mouth is agape. Yeah. Jaws hit the floor. Yeah. Due to the shot making. But that's not actually basketball. You say pickup game. If somebody did that in a pickup game,

just started jacking up shots from inside the logo, like, buddy, trying to get some exercise here. No, you'd be like, this is maybe the best best best. football player I've ever seen. Well, if the ball went in the hoop, yeah, which is what she did and why she is amazing. It's just not basketball. Yeah. Well, that seems sort of like you hate women.

I know, I know. It does have a tinge of that, yeah. Twinge, tinge. It's not basketball, what she's doing, what that girl's doing. Woman. I'm going to go with woman. What that woman did out there. It's not basketball.

What she's doing, no. Oh, here. save it. Steph Curry-like, you know. Yeah. The shot making. Oh, yeah. What Steph is doing is Caitlin Clark like on most nights.

Yeah. Just not basketball. Nope. Per se. Can Steph make a baby? Don't think so. You can do that and make a baby. What does somebody say at your birthday party?

How you been? Good. Or no, is that the golf tournament? Growing a baby. Who said that? I think it was Sean. Our hokey friend. Oh, Glennon?

Yeah, but you're not growing the baby. I don't think you were growing the baby. No, not at all. Fuck you, Sean. You may or may not have played a role in making the baby. He probably clicked through on that one too. You definitely did not grow the baby. Yeah, he clicked through that video.

No questions asked. Oh, what else do we have? Golf? You want to talk about golf? Yeah, so I'm like, hey, what should we talk about today? Like, I'm racking my brain trying to think of shit to talk about. And I'm like, guys, see what? making was to talk about today here's what making sent luca donchitch is golf fun yeah and then

what's the third thing i don't know i put this yeah exactly because you're flaggy but but read encouraged me to to to pull the swag thread i don't love the swag thread listen here's how i put golf idea about the golf period yeah i don't know if you heard the masters is ongoing the greatest sporting event we have i heard i only picked the winner today here's what i wrote i'll get back to that. Golf, period. We played golf last week, period. Is golf sweet? You know we did the same question, same segment last year during the Masters. That's a sincere question. That could be a great debate. And I agree with that, because I'm not sure which way I land. Sometimes it's sick. Dive in, guys. It's the biggest debate of the 21st century. He's going to do the thing that he

accused me of used to doing, which is torpedoing the thing you're not interested in. No, what I'm going to do is I'm going to, I'm going to participate, but I want you to lead this discussion. Okay. I'm going to, I'm going to. Well, let me ask you guys this. See, look at him jumping in to save you. Thank you.

Well, no, no, no, I want to say, we want to vibe with golf because I have, I want to ask you guys a fit question. But a whole number three, the little par three contest, give you guys some props. Where did we put it? Well, he put it, like, a foot from the pin. I put it like three feet from the pin. Yeah, yeah. At my golf tournament.

we're playing the par three and I don't swing a club but at this tournament and I'm bad and I think the joke that you made was this is

Putin-esque yeah like it's my golf tournament it was hilarious because we had like a group of 10 and like I'm just shanking the ball I'm like

he's carrying my clubs I got like a joy in my mouth and I'm just like kind of like I'm fucking I'm John Daley without the good golf and at one point I'm like

this reminds me when they let Putin play hockey and everybody acts like it's not ruining the game and everybody's like yeah good shot vladimir like that's what was happening y'all just i felt bad because you all had to golf with me and like everybody was like ha ha that's funny but by the fourth hole they're like you suck like this is not fun for us and i would like to be good at golf but that would mean i'd have to go get fitted for clubs yeah which is like an hour conversation with a stranger. Yeah. We got a guy though.

Who? It's called Dominic. Yeah? Yeah. He'll hook me out? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Good guy.

So I need clubs. Is golf cool? Yeah, it looks cool to everybody else. It's one of these things that I feel like I'm on the outside looking in. And it's approaching a thing like in high school when you were on like if you weren't cool, like, and everybody was cool, you know, like, and I'm not cool because I don't get golf. And I'm not good at golf. and all my friends are transitioning into like full-time golfers

and I'm not good at golf. You know what? Sean, we need to make a, the drive shack, you know, top golf, we need to have one here

because I think you'd be a top golf. If we had top golf, yeah, I'd be out there all the time. Exactly. I'd be out there all the time. But it really does make me feel like a fucking loser. The cowboy is such an interesting case study to me

because I think we would call him, uh, cool. I don't say how anybody would not call him cool, right? You know, salt of the earth. Thank you. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, your interest in shit are, you know, what cool people like. With the possible exception of this golf. But you're out there, you know, just running, running the Muni courses like you're a John Daly, a Rory McElroy, which I'll get to him in a bit. Yeah. That's free. You know, what?

If only his name were Tiger, but then he wouldn't be Rory. That wouldn't work out. I'll keep thinking on that. You're saying golf's not cool? I'm saying golf is cool. I'm saying I don't know. I'm saying I know. I know it's cool.

What about like the, oh, country club, oh, white people. But like white people are in right now, dude. Have you not noticed? Okay. Rory should have a personalized lion logo. And it'll be like, Rory. Rory McElroy Oh, I thought this was a

It was golf so I wasn't cheering But that was funny Yeah Yeah, I just think that's a great idea Cowboy What draws you to the game Oh, fuck! You know, you can be out there

It's just you against the course You can be alone, you can be stoic as hell, you know You can really get into a good zen-like state Zen like state Zen like state I don't know It might be dope but I'm still not cacao.

No, that's exactly. He's trying to make this segment happen. Oh, I wasn't even thinking about that. It is happening. It's happening. It is happening. I think it is the coolness factor. You get to walk around the golf course.

You can play with your buddies. You got four homies out there. You got two homies. You got one homie. You can ride around your bump of music, get some drinks. Or you can just roll solo. You got some music in your phones. You're walking around.

And then you're like, you know, because you're playing by yourself, you play through a group. And then they're like, oh, hey, man. You're like, what's up? And then what's the, what's the, possibility there. You hit a great shot through it. And they're like, oh, dude, this guy or woman, amazing. You are a guy. But buddy, and on the flip side, I will never, ever forget shanking the ball three holes across the course with Rick Carlisle due to performance anxiety.

You were anxious. I'll never forget that. Yeah. I look like Sean Clinton out there the way I Don't say that about Sean. Sean's a really good golfer. I'm sure he is. He is fucking good. He strikes the ball. Yeah. He had shot a 79 the day before.

You know, but there's just like... You know, you know... You know, you know... I think golf is cool. You know what? I think... Let me ask you guys a question. This fellow right here...

Josh Allen. Jose Ballester. Okay. He's an amateur. He just played the master. I hate when people say amateur like that. Amateur. He's an amateur and he just played the masters.

I don't know if you notice his hat. It's one of those upside down hats, sun devils, at the masters. Like locals. Yeah, local. Exactly. It's like you wore the locals hat at the master. Is that a thing where people are doing upside down hats? Oh, yeah.

And he just brought us to the masters. Some people dislike that, I noticed. Yeah. I saw a couple comments. That's under our hat. It was like, oh, no, not that. It was like, this. People that are wearing it, I think, are giving it.

What is this? This is stupid. I didn't know anybody else is doing. That's the problem now with us being 40-year-old people. Oh, I am so out of the fucking loop, dude. We're a little late on the trends. No, this brings me to, like, my point about golf, though, is like, I think it could be cool if you didn't have to dress up like a prick.

But they're not dressing up like pricks anymore. They're dressing up like fun. Yeah, and so I think it's on the... Let's look at Jason Day's fit. But, like, if I could wear a hoodie on the golf, you know, like... You can. You can. Yeah.

Look, you can wear this on the golf board. That's fucking... Jason Day, Malbun Golf. That's asinine. You wear this in a major tournament. Yeah, but respect the game. Nah, don't respect the game. You look like Roy McAvoy.

Yes. Roy McAvoy. I don't mind that. Ten cup. I don't mind dressing up for like the Masters or some shit, but like me going to like a country club. Like, let me wear whatever ever. No, I'm with you. I want to wear a LeBron jersey while I'm golfing.

All right. Here's another one. Yeah. Let me swim in the ponds. Also a good point. I want to, if it's hot. If my ball goes in the pond. And I want to go swimming, like why can't I go swimming?

Yeah. See this sport might have a little something for everybody. Yep. I like dressing up like the, like Joe Country Club. I like riding along with my friends. Yeah. Taking a swing every once in a while. I like being alone, taking a swing every once in a while.

Golf sucks. Fuck all my friends that pepper my group chat with like, look who we're all golfing together this weekend. And of course, I'm not in it. I'm never in the picture. I'm a fucking loser. You know what I mean? I don't know how to golf.

Don't even have my own clubs. I think you could get competent pretty quickly. as whole four or whatever showed. How fun was golfing with Kenny Maine? Well, we didn't really golf with him. We just hung out with Kenny Maine. Kenny Maine co-hosted the golf tournament. Should I save my Kenny Maine content for next week?

No, there's a good way to eat up. Let's talk about it. And then we'll talk about it again when Kenny Maine comes on. I spent two hours with him at dinner Saturday night, a dinner that, or Friday night, that I had no shot. I had no shot. Thank you for not telling me Kenny was there though

because that would have my phone-mo. They spent the whole weekend like Makin who had been drinking, doesn't drink a lot. The whole weekend. No, I didn't say the whole weekend. I was two separate thoughts. So the whole night, Macon was like...

The whole night. You've gotten off the stage. The whole night. It was 9 p.m. Makin goes, I'm going to need when he does this. I'm going to need All I need is five minutes

I was not intoxicated I needed five minutes with Kenny Mayne What I said was I need you Not introduce me to Kenny May It's like I need you introduce me Kenny May and I just need five minutes of his time Correct, yeah yeah That's right

That's what I said Did you get it? Yeah You got an hour Six hours later Yeah Yeah Kenny Maine

Chris's response was Yeah totally But you're going to want to down with them. So just wait till the after party. Yeah. Or, or if the after party runs out of beers, wait till the after after party. Take a bus ride across town to sit at a different bar and get your time with Kenny Mayne. And then what ended up happening was I got my time with Kenny Main after riding the bus all the way back to the hotel. Yeah, now it's two in the morning. Yeah, 2 a.m. Hotel lobby hang,

which was delightful. And I did. I pulled them off to the side. Kenny Maine at dinner asked 33 people what their birthday was. Yeah, it's 29 people. Excuse me. Excuse me, what's your birthday? I didn't know it was a thing until Kenny brought it up. I don't know what the thing you're describing is. I watched him all night and didn't understand what he was trying to call.

He says if you get 29 people in the same room, two people will have the same birthday. At least two people will have the same birthday. Which we hit it at dinner on Friday night at 21 people. Oh, 21 people. 21 people so then yesterday i thought this was kenny being kenny fuck out of here Kenny i'm a i'm at moxie yesterday with loria yeah yeah and i was like this Kenny main 29 people she said yeah yeah 29 people thing that's a thing 29 people yeah so you tell me you can't find a room full of 29 people yeah i i i say that i can easy dude just nobody has the time to do what kenny did friday night the entire

dinner dinner and was he successful or no yeah at the 21st person yeah it was pretty impressive yes the 21st person and the 21st person and the 13th person you motherfuckers got to eat dinner with Kenny main you got to eat dinner with Kenny main yeah Kenny main said hey excuse me what's your birthday and then this one person stared at him and said like didn't know oh this is the funniest thing but funny his fucking thing he goes hey excuse me what's your birthday and the woman looked at him and he goes like May 5th you know like May 5th Yo, he is a fucking legend. You want to know somebody who you see on TV

and is exactly the same way as they are on TV. There is no difference. One gear never turns it off. Hilarious. Effortlessly. Effortlessly. Did he happen to mention our interaction from the night before? He said, yeah, Mason was a lot of fun.

Which was not the only time. You got a Mason. Did you really call me Mason? No. The people who were getting awards at the end of the tournament are, what was it, the auctioneer? The auctioneer and the person giving out the words. Called you Mason. Are you serious?

You got, hey, and the closest is the pin winner on number three of the Park Three content, the contest, Mason Gunter. Man, you got a big loud applause, but you weren't there. When was that? You blew it off. That was Friday at the end of the tournament. Can he hear that? Yep.

Kenny was busy. Kenny was busy holding court. The auctioneer who shouted me out for a generous donation to charity, he went, Macon, Macon, and then Mason. Yep, yeah, he did. Yep. He was like, nah, I keep saying Macon, that can't be right. That's not a name at all.

Kenny also wanted everyone to know that they should liquidate their assets, put 70% on Sandman to show. To show. Yep. At the Kentucky Derby. Yep. Okay. So we should do that.

Mm-hmm. Liquidate your assets, 70% on Sandman. and Manda show. Who read my name is Mason at the someone who works for Birdwood golfs? Yeah, one of the ladies

that works of Birdwood. A woman, huh? Figures. Dyer Wolves. Reintroduced. Brought back. Are they really, though? I don't know what that is. Because they took Grey Wolf DNA and spliced it with DNA

that they found on a fossil. Now, I'm not a fucking genealogist. They return after 10,000 years. If they can bring back a dire wolf, they should be to bring back Norm MacDonald. He'd be one of the first people that'd be, yeah, try to bring him back. Probably bring back,

top five people you'd bring back. Susan B. Anthony, for me, one, with a bullet. It's not a pun. She didn't get a shot or anything. No, yeah, no. Maya Angelou, two. John Henry. We'll see how big he was.

Jeff Gordon. Jeff Gordon's not dead player The Rainbow Warrior is still with us Oh, he's around Praise God You're thinking Oh, I'm not Dead or alive

Joe Gordon Dale Earnhardt senior I know the difference between Jeff Gordon And Dale Earnhardt I don't know Jeepers Jeff Gordon's around bro I have to jump out of an airplane next week

So this is good Carmic conversation Yeah, but I'm going to have a parachute on. Trial run? Yeah, trial run. I told Bo today, Bo was like, Bo was like, it's been a good week. I was like, you know, he's out at broadcast boot camp.

You know, Bo's at broadcast boot camp. Like, we're not teaching him enough here. What a fucking ingrate. Bo, I hope it goes terrible. He's there with Kyle Long. Wow. Yeah. I feel like he's cheating on us.

What's he going to come back and be all fucking, is he going to stick it to Peter B. Paris? Is he going to come back and be all fucking, you know, look at me now, bitch. I've been to fucking broadcast boot camp. But anyways, he's jumping out of the plane next week with me. I was like, could be your last week on Earth. Yeah. Live it up.

Really, you know, though, for any of us, for all of us. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Any words of encouragement? I made golf work for 30 minutes. I'm jumping out of an airplane. next week you're doing questions how many do you know your schedule are we doing five jumps 10 jumps any tannums or is it all i think it's like kind of a military thing where they don't tell you

anything got it and aren't you attached to a rope that's why i can't like get excited about this because i'm attached to a rope as much yeah yeah you think your jump in orange was was sketchier yeah that's how i put it did you have a guy on your back yeah even more sketchy I had met the guy five minutes beforehand. No, I'm glad that I would rather this be less sketchy. But yeah, I got to go down and do it next week. And it's going to be one of those things like where I'm for sure not going to sleep the night before. There's no way.

Really? Oh, yeah. I'm going to be like, oh, this is it. This is the last Zen I ever packed. I hope they do it. Last bowl I ever smoke. I hope they do it Band of Brothers style where they teach you to tuck and roll by driving the truck. it to a house an hour.

You're a big motherfucker. They're going to have to jam your... Oh yeah, they do. They do teach you to kind of do that. Stop dropping. Roll. Yeah. Maybe this does go south.

That's what I'm saying. You got a will? I got a will to survive. Sorry, Meg. No, honestly, my one request is going to be like that Wayland's not a dolphins fan. If you guys could help me

You know what I mean? No problem. And what's the waiting period for Meg on finding the next guy? Oh, she can go right away. Right away. Right away. You're a good guy. What's it to me?

I'm dead. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. At least I'll have a good reputation. Well, he said she can go right into it. You said fire away. Hey, Whalen learned how to wrestle yesterday. He went to wrestling practice.

Nice. Never been to wrestling. who's super intimidated. By the end of he's having a great time. Meg's putting him to bed. And she's like, Whalen, stop trying to wrestle me because he's like trying to wrestle.

And she goes, she goes, all right, I'm going to put you to bed. And he goes, I'm going to put you to bed. And he kept grabbing my leg and saying, let's get to it. He's fucking Kurt Angle. Unbelievable. It reminds me of the South Park wrestling episode where the guy dresses up with the singlet.

I haven't seen it. Warning. Oh, well, you have to. Spoilers. He dresses out. He's got a singlet. He just runs around. He's like, hey, let's wrestle.

Let's wrestle. All the kids are doing, like, WW East now wrestling. And everybody he wrestles just laughs because they feel like he's tickling them. Like, he's lame. Yep. Is South Park still going? That's my son now. Yeah, they got a new season.

That's awesome. Yeah, new season. lot of ammo i bet all yeah i bet all that stuff holds up guys are geniuses genius i gay fish y'all he's got a new song coming out conya west called hyal hitler did you see this no way what the fuck is wrong with today's youth there's a mailbag question for you is how connie's a youth no one of the youths it's all the youths that are pumping him up it's all the Aidan Ross looking guys. That's his fan base is like a bunch

of Aden Rosses. I think he's falling off pretty hard though. Has he fallen off? World War III is the title of his third album. Next album. Oh, I think I think there's a yeah. Okay. If you haven't noticed. I haven't seen anybody. A lot

of people are pointing to the horizon with five fingers if you know what I mean lately. Click here to listen to a preview of Hile Hitler. I'm telling you, dude. Is this real life? When it was a time where I used to listen to college dropout, I can't even believe it's the same guy.

I'll tell you what, the production on the song is actually pretty good. I have seen that. Everybody's mad that his last like two albums, like kind of sucked, and then he goes full, like, Nazi and starts making good beats again. The beat was incredible. It was the Jay-Z.

I was doing, and I just know some people are going to be like, well, we can remix this thing. Like, you know, like, I'm not going to be a feature. going to do it but then you got to be like howl hitler remix so yeah the guy sucks you know i'm sure i'm sure i'm sure i don't understand but the guy sucks you've said and we saw this uh tweeted by a friend of the podcast katie nolan um you say turn the ac up or down when you want it a different temperature what does that up or down when you want it colder yeah turn the air down is is to me as like

turn the AC down to me as like less powerful AC yeah the ACE air conditioning is is is the function of air conditioning is to cool a space so if I was to turn that up correct then I'm making the air conditioning more intense thereby cooling the space even more efficiently and intensely crank it up. So that's why I say turn the air air conditioning down. And so I've said that before in this room and 30 minutes later it's fucking, it's

Antarctica cold. It's cold. What did Katie Nolan think? So yeah, I found this video and I immediately thought of you and I think she landed on she says turn the air up.

And but the like equal to that would be turn the AC down. All right. Man, just if somebody's making a request, take a minute, is it fucking hot or cold here at the moment? Exactly. You know, I mean, like,

I'm exactly, I'm hot or I'm cold. If I'm sitting here in a fucking, no, I know, yeah, you can say that for sure. But then you got to say something at the end of it. You can't just say, I'm hot. Then everybody's like, all right, cool story. Hey, if anybody's walking by the thermostat, if it's at say 67 can you move it to 71 please no damn that's that's scorching yeah no no no no I'm

not saying those numbers oh yeah yeah that's the way to say it's the way to make it clear yeah sure yeah we can all talk like my bad guys 67 to 69 my bad 67 69 yeah yeah yeah 68 man myself yeah yeah yeah what's temp yeah say your number at night 67 correct yeah you get better sleep when it's cold I think you're supposed to go even colder than that. I'm 65. Yeah, I've dabbled with 65. Really?

Yeah. You wake up with pneumonia? Yeah, that part sucks a little bit. Roll over my wife's fucking icicle. Oh my God! I told you to turn it up! Not down! Fucking, remember what I sent you last night?

Yeah. Do you want to read that? Okay. It's more of a fact at this point because you're going to know the answer. You didn't send me anything other than what we've already talked about. No, that's not true. Ice bucket.

That's not true. You'll get there. Nominate the five. You'll get there. By the time you get there, the air will be out of the topic. Your Google search? Yes. Okay.

Do you want to read the Google search history? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was pretty riveting. I know you're into Google search history, so I sent you one last night. Okay. Just to remind the locals, this is a riveting segment called eyebrows. Eyebrows. Eyebrows.

Eyebrows. Put the art on it with some eyebrows. Yep. All right, this is yours, correct? This is mine last night. Sealong's personal eyebrows. Khalifa Mints. Major sports franchises.

How many people die from heat each year? How many people die from lightning each year? How many people die in military conflict every year? You went every year there. Brown Stadium Design Reddick Browns are coming out with a new stadium How many people do ducks kill a year Mastersfield

Haslam wants new stadium And how many people die Because of alcohol each year How would you explain What ADHD is like? Yeah, that's pretty much it, dude That's exactly what it is. It's like just look

at my Google search. Caliphamins is actually the last one. Okay. And it goes the other way. Fuck. So Caliphamins is at the end. Run it back. No, don't run it back. Caliphomints is how I ended my nights. It's a strain of marijuana.

Uh-huh. I put it in my messy bowl. Go! And then the other ones are just statistics about, you know, death. Death. And also some Brown Stadium design stuff, sprinkled in there but the whole thing is I was gonna come in here

and ask you guys which pro sports mascot do you think kills the most people you ask my wife what do you think is the most dangerous pro sports mascot and she was like I don't know bears I don't know like pirates no no oh brewers

the fucking brewers my kids on the brewers and they're breaking it down to brewers and I'm sitting there thinking like how fucked up is this? You know, like they got rid of the bullets, understandable. Bullets are doing some damage in modern times.

The brewers, alcohol-related deaths, 2.6 million a year. Wow. So the brewers, they got blood on their hands. And so does the heat. And the suns for that matter. The heat, half a million people die from heat each year.

And that's a tough statistics to even keep track of. You know what I'm saying? 80,000 people die in military conflict each year. The commanders, you get away from the R word, and now you're like, you know? Well, I got one for you. The kings.

Some monarchs are known for their brutal reigns, such as King Henry the 8th of England, who is estimated to have ordered the execution of between 57,000 and 72,000 people during his 37-year reign. How many people a day is that? 37 years times 365. I mean, easy. You can do it.

I can do it. 37 times three. Don't do, okay. Did you give me the answer? Well, yeah. Oh, fuck. I thought like I was being a buddy. That's 13,000 fucking days.

He was killing four or five people a day. Yeah, you got it. It's insane. Yeah. But it makes like, if you only kill. That's true, Nolan. He's a bad guy.

If he had a schedule, You know, like his royal schedule? Does he have it blocked off, like killings at 2 p.m.? Oh, for sure. You know? He's a regular Mike White. Google Calendar. It was a fucking...

Yeah, anyways, I just thought that was interesting. That's my little fact of the day. That's eyebrows for the day. Really well done. It's a good segment. It is. It was, and it is, and we'll continue to be. We need to bring that back.

Yeah. Eyebrows. Anytime you got a good browser history, just send it. Or... We do it as it was intended. Surprise. Everybody open up your telephone. Open it up.

Open it up. What you got? Well, mine's all this podcast related for today. Oh, yeah. Well, let me show you mine. It's not as interesting. Yeah, right. I'm feeling lucky.

I can't find my history. I know I have it. It's pretty boring. I searched for Tyrell Haddon because I was like, you know what? I'm putting together my Calcutta team and it's going to be totally non-white. Oh.

And he turned out to be British. The first guy. And also in the lead. Yep. He is. Good on Tyrell Hatton. Thank you. I got a bunch of,

I got guys from Asia. I got some Venezuelan guys. Name your club. I couldn't. I can name it. Have you made... Chris goes Hedeki Matsuyama. I know him.

Tyrell Hatton. Tony Finaw. Yodin Vegas. Enhel Cabrera. I love Anhelle Cabrera. I saw him in the in the Masters field. I was like, what the fuck is he doing here? Recently released from prison.

Was he really? For what? Tax evasion. Oh, please. Big deal. Big deal. How about insider trading? People going to jail for that anymore?

Can he win? It's a White Lotus reference. This guy with the names of the people in the shows. Who's winning the, The golf. Right now, Justin Rose. Ah. How's the...

In the clubhouse at 7 under. Are you going to make one of those cool graphics for Calcutta? Yep. After round one. It's going to do numbers. Numbies. Yeah, we have Tyrell Haddon, 3 under. Holy shit.

Justin Rose 7 under. Yeah. It's more fun to look at the guys who really blew up and see if anyone's on... Ooh, Thomas. Who picked Thomas Dietree? Somebody picked Thomas Ditri. that might have been Nolan this is actually pretty

this gets my my blood flowing oh Nate Nate picked Thomas Dietry ah it's a shame anybody picked Nick Dunlap at plus 18 what the fuck did he do last

dude plus 18 didn't have a three putt which is ridiculous no no three putts does that mean he's just spraying it he's just spraying it all over the course and the yeah John Romb plus three

oh Tony Fee where he'd be now plus three. John Rahm is on the diesels. That's my club. That's my Calcutta Club. We're called the Deals. What do you think about Nick Dunlap's evening? Do you think it was hookers, blow, some combination

of the two? Nick Dunlap appears to be a young fella, white guy, American. Thanks, everything's going right for him. When you're plus 18... He's a 21-year-old who attends the University of Alabama. Yeah, hookers are low.

good on you yeah yeah he's just like he's there to party yep well for one more day is that you just get one more day that's what cut when you know you're going to get cut you probably just playing the happiest game of golf in your life yeah like i'm at the masters all right all the pressures all right all the pressures just have some fucking fun chichi rodriguez has a great quote i think it was at the masters his first masters he drank like a handle of rum or something yeah um before he teed off and he was like it was the happiest 83 of shot in my life. Yeah, there you go. Maybe go for the record.

A handle of rum? Highest score, yeah, that would be a dead person. A handle? Maybe a fifth? Disappointed rum. Maybe a pint? But he's only played 13. I was so nervous I drank a bottle of rum.

There's a difference. A bottle can be anything. You drink a handle, you might be unalived. Anyways. And that's what's going on. at augusta shout out verno take care