Habits and Hustle - Episode 112: Dave Asprey – Biohacking Expert, Founder of Bulletproof, 4x NYT Bestseller

Episode Date: April 20, 2021

Dave Asprey is a Biohacking Expert, Founder of Bulletproof, 4x NYT Bestseller. Genuinely the father of Biohacking, like, he’s in the dictionary for the term, Dave guides us through and explains his lifestyle and the science behind what he does and how he does it. The results are there. He spends less time working out than you and still stays in shape, is nearly 50, and has the eyes and brain of a 20-year-old, and he eats when he needs to and doesn’t get hungry. It’s tricks, but not a trick on you. A trick on your brain, and he’s not hiding how to do it. You’ve just gotta listen to this episode. Youtube Link to This Episode Dave’s Instagram Dave’s Website ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Did you learn something from tuning in today? Please pay it forward and write us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts. 📧If you have feedback for the show, please email [e-mail]  📙Get yourself a copy of Jennifer Cohen’s newest book from Habit Nest, Badass Body Goals Journal. ℹ️Habits & Hustle Website 📚Habit Nest Website 📱Follow Jennifer – Instagram – Facebook – Twitter – Jennifer’s Website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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San Antonio, Texas. I got this Tony Robbins you're listening to Habitson Hustle, fresh it. I am like, beyond happy to have you on this podcast today because I have been, I've loved all your books. I've loved superhuman game changers. Oh, thank you. Obviously, fastest way. I mean, no, I think that you, I mean, you're called the father of biohacking for a reason. I mean, I had no idea of any of this stuff until you came along. I don't even know.

Who was there anybody who was doing it before you? No, I created the word biohacking. Like, the whole movement was me. So you guys created the word? Yeah, I created the word. And I'm in the dictionary. In 2018, they added it to the English language. And you're going to marry in Webster

as it's the bottom says Dave Asperie's a biohacker blah blah blah. So yeah, like are you kidding? Oh, yeah, the first conference on biohacking, the first definition, the first, the whole movement. I've literally I did it consciously. I created the whole thing, the whole community. Oh my gosh. I mean, that's they call me the solid biohacking because of that. Yeah. Okay, well, I just I thought they called you the father of biohacking because like you kind of put it on the map. So it's like, I, you created it.

You created it. The first, the first use of the word was 1993 for like making your cat glow in the dark. But I'm like, that's not what I'm talking about. Biohacking is hacking ourselves. So yeah, that was, that was me. Oh my God. That's like, that's beyond.

And did you really spend over a million dollars on being a guinea pig of course like for all this That everything I say is true totally So like you kill so let me understand this so basically you are a raw vegan for a little you know for a finite period of time And you are very overweight a hundred pounds more than you are now and then you're like I don't like this So then I start you start you started to do all these different types of things with you. Before I was a raw vegan, I also tried the original keto is called afkins. I tried the Zodak.

Every diet I tried exercising in hour and a half a day, six days a week. I did all of that. And finally, I'll try the raw vegan thing. I've tried everything else. And I always feel like crap. And sometimes I lose weight, but it always comes back. The rubbing and diet actually made me really sick and took a long time to heal from it. That was a lot of the bulletproof knowledge. It was like, how do you restore cell integrity

in the body? Now I know a lot. If someone had told me this when I was 20, how much money and time and pain I would have saved, so I wrote my whole blog for maybe five people are going to read it. It's going to totally change their life and more than five people interested. And that was the launch of everything. It almost was a nonprofit when I started it. I really wasn't going to start a company. I was a VP at a tech company making a quarter million dollars a year with stock options and a nice job.

And then two young kids, I really didn't need to start a company. But it was like, this was a calling, so I did it. Wow. And did it ever take off? I mean, Bill at Proof is massive. I mean, you have to be... For people who don't... If you are living under a rock and don't know who Dave Asprey is, he's the founder and chairman of Bulletproof. And it's a huge movement. People know it more. I think if anyone doesn't know... if they don't know bullet proof, you know the whole butter in the coffee situation. Pretty much of it's collagen, if it's MCT oil,

if it's coffee that's free of toxins or coffee that makes you feel good instead of taste good, that was me. It gets pretty incredible. It's beyond, it's more than incredible. I mean, it really is. And so, when now you your new book, of course, is called Fast This Way.

And I feel like, again, I feel like people are very behind the curve. I mean, people have been talking about, you've been doing it forever. And now it's become like a very big movement, a fad to be fasting. People are coming on all the time talking about it. I'm really happy to have you, because you really kind of,

you know, I really am, because, you because you really kind of, no, I really am because, A, you really kind of like drill it down to the brass facts, which, you know, not making it very complicated, making it very user friendly. And like for someone like me who's like, who's had like a lot of people on talking about it, I'm still scared to try it because it gives me anxiety, the feeling of not eating.

I mean, why is that? Like if anyone knows, it's you like, why is it that you even say it in your book? People are actually would be rather retired than be hungry and it's so true. It's a little bit weird because my first big book was the Bullproof Diet and people lost a million pounds on that. And I talked about five things. I talked about cyclical keto. And it was one of the early keto books.

And keto has become a big thing. In fact, people are over-keyedowing right now and doing it with the wrong protein stuff. I talked about plant toxins like lectins, which has become a big thing. And this was, you know, it was published in 2014, but I first wrote it online in 2011. So this is 10 years ago.

Interval fasting is a major part of the bullpipitis. We've got 10 years with millions of people doing it, where I have the data, and I can talk about that credibly in a book on fasting. And then, of course, eating the right fats, avoiding omega-6, and other things like that. Some plants aren't good for you, some are good for you, and all of that, it's too much in one book for a lot of people. And so I scratched my head and I said, okay, what is the thing that has the highest return on investment? And return on investment isn't about dollars, it's about energy. You put energy into doing something and you get energy back.

So let's see, if you skip breakfast, you didn't spend money, time, or energy on making breakfast. And if you get more energy that morning, it was a win. And if you don't get diabetes later, that was an even bigger win. So you invest less than your current breakfast practice. You get more focus and energy that morning and that alone would be enough to make it worth the book. The problem is, here's how to write a fasting book. It's, step one, don't eat for a while. Step two, it's good for you. Here's some studies.

Like, my publisher said you needed to do a book on fasting. I said it did. It's called the Book of Titan. And they said, no, but like, I don't want to write that. There's several really good books. You've had people on your show. I've had people on my show that talk about just the health benefits, but there was not a book that talked about how do you actually do it? Because like you said, that fear and anxiety comes up. And it turns out fasting when you unpack the psychology and half the book is psychology.

Yeah. I fasted in a cave for four days because I was afraid to fast. And I'm like, I'll be hungry, I'll be hot, but glibis, she'll be mean to my friends and my family. And, you know, if I don't eat, what's that word, glibis? glibis. That's okay.

glibis, yeah, I know. He wants to think because it should be basically coined like the biohacking because of you. I don't know if I invented that one. Someone mentioned it in time. And I was like, I'm totally using that. I was sharing a number Someone mentioned it in time. And I was like, I'm totally using that. I wish I remember to have added them. But it's, I just was my friend Craig Hamley.

He put it in a rap song. I did a rap video a year ago. That was like a spoof thing where I'm like, hyperglue bitchy that once was me. Now I'm rolling with my yak butter tea in a convertible shape like a giant stick of butter. I actually did that. It was my burning.

That's so sick. Where would I find that? It's probably in my YouTube channel. Oh, that's a sterical. I'm going to go check it out. And but it's one of those things where it's real though, because you know, if you're a parent, let's say, and you know that if your blood sugar is low and it's the end of a work day, and you come home and you're kind of like, yeah're daddy mommy, like you're kind of snap, but like it happens even to the best of parents. So I was concerned about that and I just knew that if you don't eat every six times a day,

you go into starvation mode, which is death starvation is kind of a scary thing and then you'll get fatter. And if you've been obese like I have and you have stretch marks, you don't want to go back. So no wonder the idea of skipping breakfast is actually terrifying. So what it actually is though, when you do it, and especially with the fasting hacks, the three things in the book that turn off the pain of fasting, like, oh my God, it's liberating because in a normal day, for most of my life

until the last 10, 15 years anyway, I would eat something for breakfast. I would think it was healthy, Maybe oatmeal, which spikes your blood sugar like no one's business or a bagel with cream cheese or low fat cheese, good God. And all that kind of stuff, or a bowl of fruit, which is just a recipe for food-giving. And then 10 to the rules around.

And someone brings in the donuts. And you're like, don't add me. I must have the donut. And you might say no to yourself and you might win, but more often than not, the voice in your head pestered you to eat the donut until you eat half of it. And then like, why am I such a bad person? I couldn't even control myself. What's going on?

None of that's actually real. Biologically, it's real, but all the fear stuff is all just like unconscious programming. So what you unpack it down to, and you've got to understand the algorithm of life. So we are run by a quadrillion-anxion bacteria that make the first decisions that our bodies make before we even get to think about it. They're embedded in our cells are called mental cundria. So they are environmental sensors, and they make hormones, they make proteins, and they make energy. And if they're feeling stressed, because of environmental inputs, they're going to make you feel stressed. And if they're not getting what they need to make energy, or they never get to replace the weak ones,

then they're stressed all the time and you're hungrier all the time. And that's a physiological hunger. But then there's also the emotional hunger. Oh, I'm lonely if I don't eat all die. All the reasons we do it. And we know that all life, even non-human life, like a bacteria, okay? Step one, 10 times focus and energy. If something might be scary, it might be a predator run away from killer hide.. Okay, to us, our vision feels like that. So we want to run away from our hide from the idea of fasting. And then the second thing all life does is it eats everything. Like if you're just a bacteria, you don't have a brain, you don't have a clock, you can't figure out how much food's available, you're just like, if there's food you eat everything,

and if there's something scary, you get ready to kill. Right. And the third thing all life has to do is we have fear. It was 10X food, which is 5X more focused than it needs. The third one gives 3X focus that all life has to do to stay around forever. You wanna guess that one?

It's also enough word. I know it is. It rhymes with luck or duck. I was thinking about flexibility. I'm not sure where you're going. I don't know. I guess I might have a very dirty mind, maybe. I do too.

That's why I was trying to trick you into swearing on your own. But it's happened before. Exactly. But the idea is those are the three primary f words that drive every unconscious behavior we've ever done. And this is why you eat the bagel when you said you weren't going to eat the bagel. This is why you go on the date you shouldn't have gone on. This is why you said no to the opportunity

or you're shy to wear from this or you're reacted negatively. Like this drives you. And it's not even you, it's just ancient programming. So when we deal with fasting, like, oh, let's see here, I'm gonna push my food button because you know, I can go 60 or 90 days without food and I want starved to death.

Yet it, 11 in the morning, like, I'm starving, it's time for lunch. You're not starving, but it feels like you're starving. When you learn intermittent fasting, you don't feel like you're starving. You actually feel better than you did before. And that's why you can short circuit that. But if you're like, I was when I was heavy,

oh, wait a minute. I think I was to have water for breakfast because that's what the mice did in a study. And you're going to get hypoglybicchi and you're going to be miserable and you're probably not going to keep fasting. If you start with the fasting hacks, you're like, oh wait, I turned off all hunger signals so it was effortless to fast, so I'm okay. So I have a question.

I want to get into all the fasting hacks because I do find them to be really good. But number one, where did this whole ideology come from? That it's the whole starvation mode thing. And the fact that in your head, you psychologically feel that if you put butter or MCT oil into coffee, you're going to get fat. So it's all so psychological, right? So people are scared.

Even if there's hundreds of studies on research and papers and data and you and a million other people who've lost hundreds of millions of pounds It's how do we kind of like Untweak and untrain our brain to get out of that mindset because it's it's so ingrained from like you know from childhood from God knows drama whatever it is like, you know, from childhood, from God knows drama, whatever it is. When I did the early research on Bollipurif coffee, what happened is I went to Mount Kailash. It's in the remote wilds of Tibet. And I wanted to learn meditation from the masters.

And I was near the highest elevation you go on what's considered the holiest mountain in the world, to middle of nowhere, 10 degrees below zero, and I'm feeling like garbage. And this little Tibetan woman gives me a bowl of the yak butter tea, which is yak butter blended in tea and I drink it, and I'm like, holy crap, why did my brain just turn on? I haven't felt this good in a year, and I should be feeling like death, and like there's no air here and it's cold,

and I came back to Silicon Valley and started playing around, and that was in 2004. And so it took me about six years to perfect the recipe for how to do this grass fed butter matters and all these things. But meanwhile, why is grass fed butter matter? What if I just put a stick of regular butter?

It turns out it totally doesn't work and it drove me nuts because when I came back I took a stick of butter and some tea and I blended it up and tasted like crap and I didn't feel anything and I was so bummed. So I tried about $1,000 worth of different teas. You know, that wasn't the variable. So then I tried 25 kinds of butter

and the two of them from Grass Fed cows worked. And it's because of the type of fat in Grass Fed butter, it's a different fat molecule than you get from industrial butter. And now we know, because I funded research at the University of Washington, that Grass Fed butter fat, And now we know, because I funded research at the University of Washington, that grass-fed butter fat, when it's in contact with water, especially hot water, and it's vibrated or

blended, that it changes the structure of the water so that your body can immediately use that liquid to make energy in cells. Otherwise you have to get water into the body, you have to heat the water up while it's near a cell membrane to change the water so you can use it biologically. So these Tibetan wisdom people, they didn't know any of that, but they knew if I blend my yak butter, the rich Tibetans when I was there had like car batteries hooked up to blenders

because they didn't have stick blenders with batteries back then. And the poor Tibetans had a butter turn, and they would literally, every morning these poor Tibetan ladies would make tea, put the yak butter in there and for 10 minutes they're like to chunk, to chunk, to chunk and like guys just eat the butter

and drink the tea like, come on. But of course they're not done with American, right? Because they had wisdom, they knew what worked. And it drove me insane that I had to blend the coffee to work because to this day you can eat a stick a butter drink cup coffee, you'll just feel like crap. It doesn't work. The reason is it's changing water in the history.

That was a lot of science to figure that one out. That was Dr. Gerald Pollock's work, who's, I think he's about 80 now, and has spent his life researching water chemistry. So, who would have known? But grass-fed matters because of the type of fat that's in there. And how about tea? You said that you spent thousands of dollars on teas to kind of figure out the tea. Are you okay?

What's in water? Yeah, let me drink some coffee here. Yeah. Do you have butter in there or just black coffee? This one's just black. I already did my bullet purifier. Oh, okay. Check out the scoop.

I don't know if I look at that. It's like, it's a skull. It's kind of cool. I just, I can't even see the skull. It just looks like it's, it's like a small, like a small, like a small, oh, I do see it. That's good. I like it. I don't know how they're naked. Yeah. I like it. So we're asking,

why, yeah, why isn't tea, if you, if it's a water piece of it, I mean, you had all these tea, you said the women with the yak butter, they use tea. Why did you get the coffee? I have a red-bed butter, but coffee works better. And part of the whole proof thing is, I quit coffee for five years because I would drink it an hour later or two hours later, I'd get really hungry and I'd want a punch people.

And it's because there's toxins from fermentation called mold toxins and coffee. And there's something like 34 studies backing that up. And most countries have a regulation for the purity of their coffee because of these known toxins, their carcinogens. And the US doesn't have any regulations. So when coffee is illegal to sell in Japan or China or anywhere in Europe, they send it

to the US, we drink it, then we get angry. Yeah, is that really? So it's Starbucks, it would have with Starbucks or coffee or now all these places. If any coffee place, and look Starbucks brought espresso to the U.S., like so you got to give them credit for that. Right. It's always nice to bash on McDonald's and Starbucks and whatever else, but seriously, they brought coffee culture to the U.S. and I honor that.

So any coffee in the U.S., even the award-winning coffee, it doesn't have to pass the screen that all coffee in Europe has to do. So I have the former president of the Specialty Coffee Association on video with me and he's like, yeah, I was in Japan. They rejected a thousand shipping containers of coffee beans because they were too moldy for Japanese regulations. I go, what'd you do with them?

He goes, we sent him to the US. I'm not making this up. It was funny, Joe Rogan came out from you, he's like, gave lying about this, I'm like, you can't lie about that. Like there's so much evidence about this, and it almost makes me laugh. I'm like, I put all the studies up there.

So if you drink coffee and you get sugar craving, and you get hangry or shaky, or like really tired a couple hours later, it's when the toxins hit, and it's just how it works. So I figured out that clean coffee worked better than tea. But I was going on buying, you know, the really expensive aged poor tea. I was trying to, maybe the tea that had into that was special tea, because I

didn't know if it was the tea or it was the butter or the blending. And I had to figure that out. And then I had an MCT oil, because I ran an anti-aging nonprofit group for a long time. So this was like thousands of cups of coffee with my friends and I remember this one friend, Oksana, I made an early batch where I was still using a little bit of coconut milk and tried to get it and she drank it and she goes, oh my God, my brain feels better than it has ever.

Like I love this and she calls me a couple of times that I just go, I drink four cups of this and this was like, you know, probably two cans of coconut books. I don't think I feel so good. I'm like, okay, there's enough for the lemon already. Yeah, yeah. So there was a lot of that.

And then I published the recipe online. I'm like, guys, this is how you make bulletproof coffee. And it actually changes your brain. And it really works. And it's helped me lose weight. And it turns off hunger and cravings. And it was a big deal. I mean, but that fear of putting butter and coffee.

So I've been impressed to speak on Tony Robbins stage at Unleash the Power Thin, really cool event. And his people walk on coals. And there's a feeling, the first time you look at the coals you're like, am I really gonna step on that? I'll die. Most of the time, the first time you put a hunk of butter in a blender full of hot coffee,

you have the same, oh my God, I'm gonna die. So for me, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna do this. And my health, man, my energy, my brain turned back on. It was really a big deal. But I'm a little bit nervous. Like, no one's done this before. Except throughout India and Tibet, but that's different. Right, right, right. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no go down. Your inflammation markers go down, and magically, I even got a calcium scorn in advance one,

and everything is like this totally checks out. Your LDL can go up or down, but as long as inflammation goes down, LDL is not bad for you. So, I mean, there was a lot of science. I even did a study in the first bulletproof diet. IRB approved all this stuff, testing street coffee from a common vendor,

with and without butter, versus my lab tested coffee from a common vendor, within without butter versus my lab tested coffee within without butter, on seven measures of cognitive function. And on five of seven measures, mold-free coffee with butter was statistically significantly improved cognitive function. It actually does what I say it does. Like, I don't know how else to improve it, but of course, you know, people are, doesn't make a difference. You know, mold can't exist or whatever. But I gotta tell you, that's a meaningful thing.

Bulletproof has done hundreds and hundreds of millions of cups of it, the cafe in Santa Monica that are getting renamed to the upgrade cafe from the Bulletproof Cafe. Oh, it is? Yeah, just because Bulletproof is becoming a big company and there's a lot of my food stuff that isn't bulletproof You know grass-fed steak isn't a bulletproof product. So I just want there to be Coffee there, but it's not you know everything on the menu isn't made by bulletproof So I want that to be super clear. It's based on people buy blazing deals

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Like, where do you get bulletproof butter? Are you just blanching butter anytime? You can get any butter anytime. Okay, bulletproof makes a good day if you want clarified butter. But really, you just go to the store and you pick a grass-fed butter. And when I started this movement, you couldn't get grass-fed butter, except for carry gold, it was very unusual.

And we created a global shortage of grass-fed butter in 2014, like they ran out. And there was someone arrested for smuggling butter between two of the Nordic countries, because like no one could buy it and prices went up. And I think that was my fault. So now though, you can aggressive at bee, if you can aggressive at butter,

aggressive at yogurt from a variety of brands. And the whole grass movement matters for saving our soil. I live on a permaculture farm. I have grass fed sheep. We had two baby lambs born last night. Like I'm all in on this stuff because it matters for human biology.

It's really important. So does that mean grass fed, so when people say grass fed beef, grass fed other products besides the butter, is there also a difference in how, what is the health benefits there? It's a really big difference. So when you take a normal little say cow, right, you feed it corn and soy. And they're the same as humans. The fats we eat. A whole lot's again. It's grass fed automatically organic or not. No, you can see non organic grass to a cow. And it's going to be 10 times better than organic

beef that was fed organic corn and organic soy. Oh, so it's better to get grass fed beef than organic beef. Absolutely. And it needs to be grass finished. It takes about six weeks of giving a cow grain to make the cow diabetic so that its tissues are full of fat, and it's the wrong kind of fat. What you want to do is get fat from a grass-fed animal, and this is what native people around the world have figured out.

The fattiest part of the animal is the most nutrient dense of the animal, as long as the animal eats the right stuff. So what you end up with is a cow that eats grass and eats grass until it's butchered, ends up being just full of nutrients. But a cow that eats corn and soy, the membranes of the cells are made out of bad fats that are bad for humans called omega-6 oils. Plus, there's something called amyloid, which is cross-linked proteins that industrial

cows and industrial chickens get, and that's a direct cause of aging. There's also glyphosate contamination, which is tied to cancer and rune and your gut bacteria. And I am offended at the calories and calories out kind of thinking that people have. And so all you have to do is eat less calories, you lose weight. Dude, I weighed three and a pounds. I worked out an hour and a half a day, six days a week on a low fat low calorie diet for 18 months. I did not lose any weight. I had a 46 inch waist and weight three and a pounds

at the end of that. And I'm like, maybe it's because I'm eating too much lettuce. No, it's because calories are not how biology works. What is interesting in industrial beef, there's a little pharmaceutical that they put inside the cow's ear that melts in and becomes a part of the cow's basically lipids. And it is a purified mold toxin called zero in all. And zero in all lets the cow get fat on 30% less calories.

So if such a drug can exist, calories and calories out is disproven per minute. But you're eating a cow that has synthetic estrogen a thousand times stronger than your human estrogen. So I'll tell you straight up, you want to live a long time, don't eat industrial meat ever again. Eat less meat, pay a little bit more for it. You could order it online, it's not expensive. You got to get grass fed meat.

Otherwise, don't do it. And you will feel so different when you do that. And it's because the fats are different and because it doesn't have all the toxins in it. This isn't so riveting to me. So basically, because everyone's now about, of course, organic, organic. So people assume that organic is naturally gonna be better.

Well, it is. You're not gonna get glyphosate, at least not as much glyphosate. You won't get the hormones, you won't get the antibiotics. So organic is a step in the right direction. However, you feed your get the antibiotics. So organic is a step in the right direction. However, you feed it organic corn and organic soy, you've got an omega-6 rich animal that

didn't make the right fats that are compatible with you. So I post it on my Instagram the other day, a picture of the grass-fed steak I was eating and the fat's yellow. That means the cow actually ate grass and ate eight other things that were in the natural range where cows are supposed to eat. So they actually will walk around like my sheep do on the farm. They're free range. They go into the forest, they eat a little bit of rosemary, they eat a little bit of some

kind of evergreen tree. They choose what's right for their biology and the color of the fat is different, the level of nutrients is through the roof. And when you eat it, you get like a food high. And that's why I do the restaurant in Santa Monica. I'm opening one up here in Victoria too. I want people to feel what it's like when you eat meat that was raised properly

and was cooked properly and has healthy fats in it. And you walk out there going like, I am buzzing with energy, but it's not like a caffeine sugar MSG buzz. It's just like, my God, I have so much in here. I didn't even realize I could feel like this. And that's like supposed to feel when you eat. And when you feel that when you eat,

you don't have cravings, you're not hungry for a long time afterwards. So that's the part that's amazing. How much do I have to drink? Because I've been, a lot of my friends love it and like swear by it. And I'm like, again, today I was even gonna try it and I got scared.

What are you putting in your mouth? Micro does nicotine. Seriously? Absolutely. Why would it, why? I thought it was like a breast spray. I'm like, I can't even see your knife in here. I'm a rocker from that wouldn't be an issue. So I interviewed a guy named Dr. nicotine, at least that's what I call him, from Vanderbilt University, wrote the first paper in 1986 saying that small doses of

pharmaceutical nicotine reverse Alzheimer's disease Hold on a second. I'm running this day. I mean forget about the podcast I don't remember that is super human. It's in there. So nicotine is Smoking is terrible for you. You should never smoke. I've never smoked but small doses of purified nicotine Mimic exercise in the body. They raise a compound called PGC1 alpha. They encourage growth of new blood vessels, which is healthy, unless you have cancer, you don't want to do that. And it literally, meaningfully reduces or even reverses Alzheimer's. So the argument that I make is over 40, you should use one or two milligrams a day, as not just something to help you with aging and all that I make is over 40, you should use one or two milligrams a day, as

not just something to help you with aging and all that, it is the best cognitive enhancer. Like every great book, including mine, has been written on a combination of nicotine and coffee. Like that's how it works, but smoking kills you. So don't smoke. Don't vape either. That tells you worse than smoking. But if you can get either a patch or there's a gum that's safe called Lucy gum.

And I'm not talking about a lot of it. I'm talking about very low doses. I see. But during therapy, I love doing it because I'm like, I'll dialed in for you. Can I see what that looks like? So you just, so how often are you doing it? Like are you just,

this one's almost empty, which I did it twice. It's just a little spray thing and it comes up. This one's made by Nick Aratt. You can't buy it in the US though, because I don't know if the FDA hasn't improved it. It's done for 20 years in Europe and Canada. But Lucy, I think it's chulucy.com is the gun that's got no bad stuff in it. But the difference, I'll take any cognitive enhancer.

The reason Modaphanil is active in the world of biohacking is because I was willing to go on TV about 10 years ago on Nightline. They came to my house and I guess, I took the limitless drug to get through my MBA and it actually changed my meditation, changed my brands. For eight years, I was on the strongest cognitive

enhancer we have. With all the hacking I've done, my brain's always on that stuff, even if I don't take it. But I've done a lot of neurofeedback for my company that does that. So you can become smarter, faster, in a way that doesn't even seem possible. I measured, I measured my brain's response time.

And this is something that predictably gets slower as you age. Like there's a curve, it's a straight line. So if you're 40 or you're 50, you're gonna have an average speed of something or another. I have the average response time in my brain of a 20-year-old. And like, great. I literally have a younger brain. This stuff works.

I mean, so wait, how long have you been doing the mic? So because that book came out like a year or two ago, right? So how long have you been doing this microdosing and nicotine? Oh, six, seven years. When I first came across the research, I'm like, this is convincing, but I'll tell you, smoking is really bad for you, but when people say nicotine, they hear smoking.

When people say caffeine, they hear coffee. Coffee is a plant medicine. It's also a superfood, and it has a thousand compounds in it, and they all do different things. And some of them aren't good for you, especially if it's multi-coffee, and then you get to nicotine. Most of what's in nicotine is not good for you, but there's a couple compounds in there that are really good for you at the right dose. And it's the same thing with microdosing other medications or things like LSD or mushrooms. A lot of people

are doing that. Well, if you take a full dose of one of those things, you're going to be trip in balls. But if you take 5% of a full dose, it actually encourages the growth of synapses in the brain like a young brain. So it's all about dose and timing and when in life you do something like that. I'll tell you, don't become a heavy nicotine user when you're 20, even though it makes your brain work better, it's not a good idea. But as you age, you want to manage your biology for where you are.

I'm at 28% of my minimum lifespan, so I think it's that. This is unbelievable. You're fascinating. So basically, so you're micro-dosing, you're getting how many times during the day, is it like kind of like throw up to day in 10 times? Like, I usually, my goal is to use four or five milligrams a day. But when I do interviews, I usually use it a little bit more often,

just because it's really good for verbal fluency and just like being completely nail-dang. So can you send me one of these? Because I can't have it here. Like, I'm cute. Would you be able to? Just after I'll send you one. Yeah.

Oh my god. I would. Or just get the tulipsy stuff. It's like a piece of gum you chew it and put in your, in your, like, I don't know, wherever you put chewing tobacco,, you'd basically, like, chew it twice and let us sit there. And you'll have the best day of your life. I mean, it is for productivity. One of the most important, most studied cognitive enhancers with so much data, it's also

addictive, but here's the deal. Nicotine by itself, without all the crap they put in cigarettes or vaping stuff, it has the same addictiveness and washout period as coffee, it's about a three day. Think so I've quit using it for a month, set of time, multiple times, but I actually like my life better when I have a little bit of nicotine in it.

Don't use tons though, it's not good for you. Right, because you're about cycling everything, right? Like even about fasting, you should be cycling, you should be cycling the keto diet. I mean, everything is about like kind of, is it because your body gets used to it? And then of course, it's not as effective also like you have to kind of back off to. Yeah. Our bodies are so beautifully lazy. So if you tell it that anything is in the steady state, it's like, great, I can stop investing there.

So if you keep things constantly changing, even when I was just a brief, but abrupt change has the most benefit. This is why taking a pink dumbbell and flopping it around doesn't do very much. If once a week, you do something really hard, you pick up a heavy dumbbell or do some pull-ups or push-ups or whatever is at the limit of your ability to do, you will see huge progress from it. And so sometimes you don't eat anything. The body goes, oh, you're gonna have to be able to survive when there's no food, let me wire myself to be resilient.

And then, oh, sometimes at the end of the shower, the water gets really cold for one minute. Holy crap, there might be an ice age anytime, any cell in the body that can't turn on heat production quickly, I guess I have to replace those because the body is doing math. And it says, how much energy is it going to take me to get rid of a weak mitochondria and put in a young strong one? Like, that's a lot of work.

I don't want to do that. But then you're going, you live in a world where there could be a famine and there could be an ice age at any time. It's like, I better get on making that cell a young again. And that said, if I just turned the air conditioning to 68 all the time, it's not going to do it. It's not a strong enough signal. It's not about sending those signals in and never getting used to one thing. And this is the problem too. Right.

When we exercise in hour and a half a day, six days a week, I'm like, it's easy. Every day, no matter what, I go to the gym, except for Sundays, right? I just picked a random day. That's the damn right. I'm going to do it. So every morning, I wake up, I do the same thing. just picked up a random day, that's the damn way I'm going to do it. Every morning, I wake up, I do the same thing. Most people, the others, I wrote the book, fast this way. Most people say, oh, you know what, I fasted and I felt great. So I fasted every day now and I feel great.

Now I'm going to fast even longer every day. They find the fasting trap. The same as the keto trap. People ignore that part of the bullpup diet, I'm like, go into ketosis, go out of ketosis. But when you over keto or you over fast, women hit the wall before men do. And the wall is first, my sleep quality goes away. Like, wow, I feel so good fasting. I know it works already. So I must need to fast more, but my sleep is no good. That's weird. And then they keep fasting because they know it works.

Maybe they even, they double down on it because it works so well. Right. But they're not feeling good anymore. And so first sleep goes away, wake up, feeling hungover. Then in women, cycle gets a regular and men, they wake up without a kickstand. Right. Yeah.

And then you get hair shedding. Yeah. Right. So this is why I book, to book three days a week, might be enough, four days a week. It's okay to fast for 12 hours or 14 or 16 or 18. And so day you feel great, fast for 24 hours if you want to. But habitually fasting when your body is not ready for it,

fasting is like exercise. Don't exercise when you're already trashed. Recover when you're trashed. Exercise when you're ready. Fast order when you're ready. And if you wake up and you're like, I'm already a ready, fast order when you're ready. And if you wake up and you're like, I'm already a zombie, maybe you should have breakfast that day and it's okay. And this is how the body actually works. Now, okay, so a couple of there's a hundred thousand things of course,

but so is there a difference between the 16 eight, which is the 16 hour, eight hour window versus the five two like all the numbers, you know, all the numerals you put in there, a fasting, like do people get the same benefits or are there more benefits in different versions of what you're doing, not you, but in general? It's like the 80, 20 rule. So if you pick an intermittent fasting practice that works for you, and maybe it's, you know,

14 hours without food, which is really easy to do, like seriously, have dinner a little bit early, okay, and finish eating at six. You've got four hours, four bad time, you've got eight hours, sleepy to 12 hours. You wake up at 6 a.m., eat breakfast at 10 a.m., there you did a 14 hour, or actually 8 a.m., that's a 14 hour fast, when you did it, and you go to a 10 a.m., it's not that hard, because it just feels like you're skipping breakfast. But do you have to do that every day? No, there's a study from Dr. Maraud out of Australia and she says, she studied women specifically and said, look, a 12 to 16 hour fast Monday,

Wednesday, Friday had profound benefits. So the main message here is, do it, do what works for you and it may be different based on your age, based on your gender, based on what time of the month it is, based on how stressed you are emotionally or physically, and whether you're a heavy athlete or not. So the answer is pretty much it depends on you. But if you are at least three days a week doing an intermittent fast that doesn't make you feel crappy all the time, you're going to start getting benefits. There is a good argument for doing a 48 hour fast, at least once a quarter. Why? And for that, it increases growth hormone and it ramps up autophagy even more. And what I did is, if you go to fast this way.com, there is a free two week course where I teach you the book. I'm not trying to sell anything. It'scom, there is a free two week course where I teach you the book.

I'm not trying to sell anything. It's literally, I was a teacher at the University of California for a long time. I wrote the book, why did I teach people to do it? We've had about 45,000 people do the fasting challenge, where every day I teach you the different fasting techniques. You find the one that feels fast and you do that most of the time or some of the time. That's it. There's no one on Earth who can credibly say you should do a 16,

8 fast X number of days a week because what day was it? Like, did your boyfriend break up with you that day? You know, did your kids totally have a meltdown? Did you stay up all night last night? Because that affects your ability to fast. And the idea you're supposed to go run a marathon, even if you're not ready to run a marathon, you wouldn't do that. But yeah, some people, like, I have to go exercise, even if the last thing I need to exercise, what I actually need to sleep. So it's okay to mix up your fast.

I had breakfast this week twice, right? But I normally don't. You did? Absolutely. And normally I do two meals a day. In fact, those days I did, I had breakfast in lunch. Just because I woke up, I'm like, you know what? I didn't sleep that well.

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This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. What is the day in the life of you? What time do you wake up? Give me your whole, I wanna know exactly what you do from the second you wake up into the second you go to bed and I wanna mimic it for a week. All right, I wake up around around 6.30.

Now, there's a chapter in fast this way. I am a night owl by genetic design. I'm supposed to do in the night shift. So I use a combination of light and food. So light's the most important signal to when your body's going to wake up and food is the second most. So I shift in my circadian rhythm. So the first time in my life, I actually wake up naturally at 6.30.

Like this morning, I woke up at 6, just all by myself. And that was not possible. I'm the 10 a.m. I still up to 2 a.m. naturally, but I've changed it because I know when to eat, I know when to expose myself to light. And magically, I'm in control of my sleep cycle. So I woke up because this morning, I want to drop my son off at school. And he hasn't really dropped off at the bus. So I woke up with enough time to do some stuff.

I do five minutes of journaling. I use energy for success.com, Dr. Barry Morgalon, who's one of nine living grandmasters of Lao Tzu's oral lineage, like the incredible guy. So I do energy for success.com. He's a friend, I'm in his coaching group and all that, but I don't have a financial relationship just I've learned a lot from him.

What I do is I set my goals for the day, little journaling, and I do a set of exercises that he's designed that are these things for the practice that protected the Emperor of China. So there's a lot of like Cheegon related stuff. But these aren't like exercise, exercise. They're like, you know, move your wrists like this and it works. And I mean, it works big time. I can't tell you why. This is very esoteric stuff, but it's very powerful. I do. What does it do? What does it do when you move

it? There's, there's, this lines up with my understanding of biology, but there's a lot of sensing networks in the body that we don't pay attention to. And his whole practice is designed to turn on those things and to train the fascia of the body. So I do a set of exercises for about 20 minutes, but it's not physical exercise, it's movement to like, loosen up the body and get like the nerves and the neck doing stuff. The most days, my exercises, I'll do six or seven pull ups and ten squats. And that's what it says. Yeah.

And I don't know. I feel like I'm doing all right. I mean, like those guys were almost cooler than me. That's really good. New York Times says I'm almost muscular, which is what you want to be level on time. You don't want to be too muscular. You don't want to be, you know, not muscular. And then once a week, I'll do 15 minutes of either electrical stimulation or blood flow

restriction training either with bands or weights or electrical stem and that is really powerful. My company upgrade labs were franchising this year. I have the gear I use puts also on. We're going to have dozens and dozens of locations around the world. You have that crazy machine. Tell us about that. I love that miss. Can you talk about that machine? Well, upgrade labs has about six different types of tech that all give a signal to grow or recover way stronger than other nature would tell you. So we have a machine we call the Qi machine that lets you put on muscle about three times faster than lifting weights by manipulating your body's perception of gravity. So you're pushing it to the computer. Is it work? Oh my god, I don't know. does it work? I mean, yeah, it's in a lot of athletes and celebrities who have to look good on camera.

It totally works. We've got one of the Beverly Hilton, which is celebrity ground zero for a reason. And I do have an infrared sauna, I'll do that, which is, you could say, it's a form of exercise. But generally, I exercise less than a lot of people. I'm not against exercise. I just do very effective exercise. And could say it's a form of exercise. But generally, I exercise less than a lot of people. I'm not against exercise. I just do very effective exercise and I'll go for a walk every day. So basically, 10 squats, seven pull ups, a daily walk.

I'll stand on my vibrating plate. The bulletproof vibe is something I've done for many years, but that's like going for a walk and you can be on the phone and you're going, that's what I do. But I mean, I- Like the power plate, like the power plate? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, mean, I- Like the power plate, like the power plate? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It really matters though. A lot of the ones out there vibrate, so I decide they screw up your back. It has to be over. Yes. Or a horizontal oscillation. But there's text, just bull-approved vibe if you Google that, you'll find it.

Okay. So I might do that, but every day I then I'll drop my kids off at school or do whatever, have my coffee, have a handful of smart drugs and nutrients that work with fasting on empty stomach. I will then usually I'll set aside like 45 minutes for either learning or maybe doing a different biohack from upgrade labs. So sometimes I'll do intermittent hypoxic training where you breathe air that has no oxygen

and it makes your cell strong. My whole point is I want every cell in my body to be able to make maximum energy like a young person on demand. And when you do that your brain benefits the most and then abs or side effect. Right. Okay. It's ridiculous. I've got some questions. You're like, okay, so first, you know, normally when you ask that person this question to someone, they're like, yeah, I wake up. I have a gratitude journal, I meditate and whatever, you know, Bob is your uncle. We move on.

But with you, this is like major. It's precise because I wanted to work, but I'm so lazy. I don't want to spend two hours meditating unless it's the most effective meditation that there is on the planet. So what time are you having your coffee? And how much coffee? I was seeing a mount of coffee coffee you never told me that I usually so I will have my first coffee sometime after I wake up like about a half hour wake up.

Okay and i forgot when I first wake up there's like a 10 or 15 minute like guided visualization thing from energy for success from dr. Barry and i'll do that to sort of get out of bed. Then I'll usually make a shot of espresso. I'll put in some of the bull proof creamer, which has butter, MCT, and pre-biotic fiber. Funny, those are all in fastest ways, fasting hacks. Yeah, those are the fasting hacks, actually. Yeah, absolutely. So then there, I just did that, and I blend it with a little hand blender now, because it's easier than putting butter and MCT in the blender the way I used to.

And then I'll drink that while I'm doing my journaling, sending goals for the day and stuff like that. And then what time is your first meal, yours? Usually on two. And you're windowed. And I might have another cup of black coffee like I am right now. This is just an Americano I made with both proteins.

Right, okay, so then, and that coffee with the, if you just have that creamer that has all those three things, which are the fasting hacks, I guess, does it, does it, how long does it typically hold someone for? It has been for how use the fasting you are. So from, you know, hold me whole day. Like I could literally today not even have dinner and just wake up tomorrow and eat something and I wouldn't, it's hard to say I wouldn't notice

because there's a social aspect of sitting down with the kids at dinner, but I wouldn't feel a sense of loss and I wouldn't feel a sense of stress or anxiety. I just feel like, you know, there's plenty of food coming, my body's just used to it. In fact, in the middle of my book launch, and we sold 100,000 copies of ours, it was really good for a book during the COVID time.

You sold 100,000 the fastest way. Yeah. And this one, really, it's amazing. It's hundreds of thousands in the fastest way. Yeah. And this one really is amazing. It's amazing. For, in three weeks. Yeah. And this is, yeah, all of your books, the white row. Those are big numbers for a book.

It's because there's so much interest in this, but it's because the message is about, how do you feel better, not how do you get thinner? Right. And when you turn on the energy stuff in your brain and your body, having pants that are looser is just a side effect. If you target weight loss, I've worked with so many female bodybuilding or fitness competitors. Every one of them says the same thing, Dave, I never looked hotter in my life or felt worse.

You can lose weight the way I used to. You feel like crap all the time. You're hungry, you're constantly loing you're cold and gah, but I'll look at this and losing weight. And as soon as you stop, the weight comes back. So you lose 20 pounds game, 30, lose 30 game, 40. And if you do it the other way, like, I'm just going to eat from my energy. And then the body is like, I have enough energy finally in the sense of relaxation sets in. And the body goes, oh, I don't have to start fat anymore because I'm safe because I have enough energy.

So, it's about changing the environment around you and inside you so they have control of your biology. That's the definition of biohacking when I first rode it. And that's why this is so phenomenal, but for me, my body knows it's totally safe if I don't eat for three days. In fact, I did eat for three days in the middle of the book launch for fast, this way. I'm like, you know what? I have podcast 12 hours a day.

Why do I need eat? And I didn't. And after three days, I'm like, you know what? I have podcast 12 hours a day. Why do I need to eat? And I didn't. And after three days, I'm like, you know, I'm just time to eat. But that kind of resilience, did you talk into a guy who weighed three and a pound and had to eat six or eight times a day? And if I didn't eat right on time, I would want to kill people. Like, because I can do this anyone can. DQ presents, picture this.

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breakfast i'm thinking about lunch and when i'm eating lunch i'm thinking about dinner and when i'm thinking about dinner i can't wait to wake up so i can have breakfast so it's like a mental thing you know and have you seen i know you're saying it's you're gonna change you gotta shift that no i'm not gonna. It's only part mental. It's mental because especially if your mom is like most Jewish moms, food is love. But it's just Jewish moms who do that. This is the most important thing.

We associate food with care and love and connection and all of those good things. Part of the work that you do in personal development is, okay, how do I experience those things with or without food? Because they're actually separate from it, but we got programmed, you know, all of us did because we used to nurse. Like, you want to do more nutrients?

There's some fat in there. And, you know, it's an intimate thing. So all that programming is going on below your consciousness. So what you end up doing with this is you go, you know what? Today, I felt better than when I had breakfast. And the second part of it that isn't coming from your mom, isn't coming from your tradition, it's that when you eat certain foods, they make you hungry. If you can find the foods that turn off hunger and don't turn it on, fasting is easy.

And most people, this is the biggest thing they learned from doing the fasting challenge. It's like, look, you're gonna have dinner and if you wake up the next morning in your ravenous, you ate dinner wrong. Something in there, there's five categories of foods that I call, these are the ones that most commonly cause cravings. They don't just cause cravings though, they make you fat

because they stop ourselves from working right. Yeah, tell people. One of them is omega six plant-based oils, corn oil, soybean oil, canola oil, even lots of nuts and seeds. It's just an oil that's not compatible with ourselves. So your body tries to use it as a building block and it makes extra inflammation in the body.

So you cut down on those. That's why butter is so important. Coconut oil, grass-fed animals, instead of these crappy seed oils that no human could ever eat without big industrial processing. Right. And they're cheap, which is why all restaurants use them, but they're inflammatory. So those will make you hungry.

If you don't believe me, go out and have a whole bunch of french fries and wake up the next morning and see how hungry you are. Yeah. You're going to be hungry. It's just how it works. Inflammation drives hunger. Yes. Second thing is oxalic acid.

And this is the first chapter of the Bulletproof diet I've read about this 10 years ago. Told Joe Rogan about it on his show. Like, hey, Joe, you shouldn't be eating so much kale. It's bad for you. And later Mike Tyson, I was like, kill or kale. I hate kale. Let me think, Mike. Now Joe's listening.

And I love that you said that too. I remember you talking with a lot of time. People think kale is like this major super And it's not it's gross. Yeah Yeah, and I mean I as a raw vegan man I ate my pounds of kale and it took me years to get all that crap out of my system because kale and Some of the especially raw spinach raw kale or the worst offenders But they have this compound that finds calcium in your body It's sticks to the calcium makes tiny little razor sharp crystals that then cause inflammation in your brain throughout the body, poke holes

in your gut, and they can even accumulate in your joints. It's a major cause of kidney stones and gout, right? Now there's tons of people with kidney stones from their stupid kale smoothies. Wow. I used to spinach also. Ross spinach, especially, yeah, but spinach too. So those spinach salads that we'd never ever ate until the 80s, it's actually not a good move.

Like go back to lettuce. Good old fashioned dark lettuce is so much healthier for you. Right. I love that you're saying this. So with all these people, you're saying like, kale smoothies, you know, spinach and this and that, it's actually bad for you.

I promise you that if you have a spinach, kale salad for lunch, by 2 p.m., you're gonna be eating candy. It all, Have you ever been satisfied after a kale salad? Never. Exactly. It creates hunger because it's so full of toxins. So there's like salac acid. There's also lectins.

And lectins are also a big part of my first book. And these are compounds that plants put in place to keep from getting eaten by animals. Different people have different sensitivities to them. But the most common and dangerous one is from the Deadly Nightshade family, which includes unfortunately potatoes, tomatoes, bell peppers, egg plant. So for me, I'm sensitive to those. My joint pain comes back. I get muscle tension, my gut gets off, I get food cravings. And this is probably a third to half of people have some issues with that, depending on your genetics and your gut bacteria.

And so you're like, that's funny. I had the super healthy bell pepper stuff with whatever. And the next morning I was ravenous. Well, news flash, it was the bell pepper. So you figure out pretty soon, because when you get used to it, just not being a hug girl this time, I did something to make myself hungry.

What was that? And you developed curiosity. And then there's something called phytic acid, this whole grains. In every country where we eat grains, the people can afford to remove the outer most toxic part of the grain and only the peasants eat whole wheat and brown rice. Brown rice has 80 times more arsenic than white rice. And the negligible fiber and nutrients. So our job is to figure out what are the bad things we're eating?

Don't eat the bad stuff and you don't need the good stuff. And- Could you eat white rice, right? Like white rice, yeah. But I don't deceive myself. Oh, brown rice, which causes inflammation in the gut is rough on the gut and is full of other toxins and fight it gassed it as well.

Why did I tell myself that was healthy? Because in countries where the E-Rice, they know white rice is easier on you than that. And also no rice isn't a great source of protein or nutrients, rice is a source of calories. It's energy, it's starch. So you just realize, okay, something I'm doing. And if you don't believe me, have a bunch of brown rice and then look at a hunger you are over the next day and then have a bunch of white rice with protein and fat the way it was meant to be eaten. And magically you'll feel better.

And it's just, it's predictable and it works for everybody. So you start tuning your food so you're just never hungry. And then fasting is effortless. But part of what you're doing, you wake up hungry because of what you did for dinner. Wow, and what's like a perfect mix? So for you, when you eat your first meal,

what is that meal? My first meal is almost always grass-fed lamb beef or pastored pork from animals that I raised myself because, hey, I live in a farm. I get to do that. I'm more, you know, I'll get it, and when I can't get it from my own farmer or whatever, there are a variety of places you can order from when they'll ship it to your house. And it's not terribly expensive. When you buy 20 pounds of time through on the freezer,

you'll pay about what you'd pay for organic beef at the local store. Ideally, go to the farmer's market, support a local farmer. We need more of those right now, more than ever before in human history. Right. You know, my little farm, I feed, you know, I make the meat from my restaurant.

That's a like a throw on the space I've got, but I do my best. So you wanna do that. So for me, I'll do that. And because I'm usually eating one or two meals, my basal metabolic rate is 3000 calories a day. And I've measured that at upgrade labs. We have equipment for that.

So that's how much food I need. And you go to a restaurant and give me little two ounces of fish. I'm like, are you kidding me? Four. Give me four main courses to get enough energy to feel good. And there's a lot of people, especially women, going, I'm gonna 12,000 calorie diet, you're gonna feel like crap when you're at, because you don't have enough energy to feel good. And there's a lot of people, especially women, going, I'm on a 12-hundred-calorie diet,

you're going to feel like crap when you're at it. Because you don't have enough energy. So for me, it's like, okay, how do I do that? So there's going to be butter. There's going to be some sort of prebiotic fiber that incorporate into the meals sometime. Quite often, there's carbs that's usually white rice.

And then there's some kind of vegetable. It's a salad. Or some sort of cooked vegetables, like broccoli or cauliflower, something like that. And I do that. I guess, Gimpedenor, I could have dinner. It doesn't really matter. I am completely, completely full. But I'm probably eating 1800 calories, minimum in that meal, because it's the only meal I might eat. That's not even enough to sustain me if I do that every day. You can eat 3,000 calories in one meal unless you're crazy. So then if I had a second meal, it'd be something similar.

But it's basically grass-fed, properly made animal protein because you need the protein. I always add collagen, the bulletproof collagen that I'm famous for because it allows you to have more protein and it doesn't have a flavor. And it also allows you to balance some inflammatory stuff. Yeah.

And then it's just pretty much meet vegetables in some of them I was starch. And if I'm in a keto kind of a week, then I just cut out the starch, but I don't even do that for often. You don't have to. And that's what I eat. You should do a cookbook.

Have you done a cookbook yet? You must have. I'm a full-up who diet cookbook. But you have what? Okay, I mean, cause I was thinking like, cause you've actually motivated me to actually do this now properly, at least the butter and the coffee. The only warning I'll have for you is that

back when I first launched the Bulletproof Diet, I've been over backwards to accommodate this incredible like fetish for kale and raw spinach that people had. So there's a few recipes where I incorporate those because there's so much demand, but there's a book I'm like, warning warning the way that Bulletproof Diet works. By like, dayvastbreed.com slash roadmap, it's totally free. This is like the synops the way the old drift dialect works by like Dave Asprey.com slash road map.

It's totally free. This is like the synopsis of the book. You should download that. Okay. And what what it is is it says, okay, these veggies don't cause inflammation. These veggies might cause inflammation and don't eat this other crap.

And and I do that for proteins, I do that for starches and for everything. So you just you know, okay, these are good. These are maybe good. Not so good. And having just a road map So you just, you know, okay, these are good. These are maybe good, not so good. And having just a roadmap to tell you, you don't have to be perfect. But if you wake up and you feel weird, you're like, what did I eat that was in the maybe the suspect foods group?

Maybe that was the guilty suspect. So over time, you learn it. But the recipe is there, there's a couple of them that have raw spinach in them that I, in retrospect, I should have just held the line and been like, don't do that. But instead, I'm like, you know, cook it with baking soda, you can neutralize some of it. And you might think, Dave, you're so picky and weird. Look, I never want to be hunger again. I never want my brain to ever stop working the way I used to, and I don't want any more pain in my body ever. And I don't have it. Like, I am younger now than I've ever been in my life.

Everything works better. I have the arterial flexibility of the average 24 year old. My brain works. It's hard to express how much energy I have and you're not supposed to be doing this. I'm 48. I mean, but you look great. You look like 28. And you're welcome. And you also, I think I have other questions,

but I don't wanna, I know I don't have all day with you, which I wish I did, because I have questions about why you are so good though, is because you also do the peptides and the stem cells and all these other things, but I won't bother you with that if you promise that you'll come back and talk about superhuman and game changers with me. Another time. I'd be happy to come back. Look, this is my year of sharing what I do. I have never taught my books. I launched a group called the Upgrade Collective and we've got, I don't know how many people have probably thousands of people now, with a group of coaches I've trained personally and me. And I come on twice a month and answer

questions for the whole year. We like learn in a community because teaching this is really important. So for me because of COVID, I'm like, oh, I have time to sit down and actually structure courses and build support. So we can have thousands of people learning how to do this and showing everyone around. This is how I feel, is how I look. Do you want to maybe do some of this? So this is about spreading like the manual

for how to feed a human, how to care for a human that we weren't born with. So I'm all over sharing this year. So I'll come back on and talk about whatever you want. Okay, I really hope so. I mean, so because we're talking about the fasting book, what supplements do you say are not good to take, what are good to take while you're fasting? Can we talk about that? Yeah, there's a whole chapter in fastness. I know. That kind of summarizes it. Probably the one you don't have to talk about all of them, them? I'm going to talk about the four to not take when you're fast. I've got the bar fee for or what do you call it?

The bar fee for. If you take fish oil, if you take B vitamins, and if you take a multivitamin, and what was the other fourth one, that's really not good for you. There's a multimineral. There's a lot of minerals. I can go look at it. It'll have the name of the three. Those four things generally going to give you nausea when you're fasting.

So then what should you take during a fast? And there's surprisingly most fasting books don't talk about this at all. But if you take something called proteolytic enzymes or systemic enzymes, what you're doing during a fast is you're probably just cleaning up gunk between the cells and inside the cells. And all the digestive energy that would have counted to breaking down your meal goes into breaking down old tissues so you can get in young ones.

That's why having an empty stomach foil is important. Well, if you take an enzyme that accelerates that process that doesn't break your fast, that's pretty cool. So I talk about several different forms of those. So I'm a fan of enzymes. You need salts, like sea salt is good. Magnesium is particularly good during a fast. There's a new supplement. And I think there's it's permitting life dot us slash Dave. I think there's a discounted slash Dave, but I don't know.

Spurmedine is, well, it comes from what it sounds like. Spurmedine. Yep. This is something that I wrote about in superhuman, but you couldn't buy it. The only way you can get spermates, it mimics the effect of a fast, even if you're eating. But if you take it during a fast, it amplifies a fast. But you couldn't buy it when I wrote superhuman, but the anti-aging stuff, it's like, really extends lifespan. So after I published Superhuman just six months ago, it got launched in the US. And so I take four of the spermating life capsules every day while I'm fasting because it amplifies

the effect of a fast. Before that, I would illegally import probiotics from Japan that would make spermedine grow in your gut, hopefully, but it's a lot easier just to take it as a supplement. So I take the proteolytic enzymes, I take that sperma D in life, I take magnesium, my vitamin A, D and K. It absorbs better with full proof coffee because of the fat, but you can take it on empty stomach, it's better than not taking it. Those are some of the basic ones. Because you talk about this also in your other book, like you're a big NAD fan, like I am. But you take NAD, I mean, you take NAD with and while you're fasting?

I do it usually in the evening. I use Trunyogen and Upgrade Labs as like I've does NAD and Trevaneus stuff. So I take Niasin, which is a B3 vitamin precursor. I take the Trunyogen in R. I take some called NMN, and I've interviewed like the top NAD researchers in the world on bulletproof radio. And it's like your job is to make yourselves able to make a ton of energy, which is what a lot of my work is about, including the diet stuff, fasting, all that. But then the second thing is how do you move the energy once you make it, and that's what NAD does. So NAD allows your body to move the electrons you make around more effectively. And as you age, your NAD does. So NAD allows your body to move the electrons you make around more effectively. And as you age, your NAD levels decline by 90% between age zero and age 90. So having

young people in NAD levels equals young people's electrical performance in your body. So I do that on a regular basis. It's compatible with fasting. It is compatible with fasting good because I'm a big NAD person and for NIAGEN as well. So that's good to know. So then you can't. So that's a good one. And then you talk about charcoal a lot too. Activated charcoal. I introduced activated charcoal to the world of biohacking. Like the first year that biohacking was a thing because it's been used for 10,000 years in every society around the planet. And as soon as something goes off in your gut, it creates physical anxiety. Like our gut is part of our nervous system, part of our brain. And when your gut bacteria are stressed, they follow those efforts, fear and bacteria can't

really run away. So they make something called lipopolysaccharide. They make a toxin that crosses the gut barrier, crosses the blood brain barrier, makes you feel anxious, makes you feel hungry, and kind of makes you feel foggy. And when you fast your gut bacteria can get stressed as they change. If you take activated charcoal, it sticks to this compound. So the stress compounds from your gut bacteria don't make it into your brain. And actually, the charcoal is a it's a profound thing to actually make you feel good. As if any GI problems whatsoever, you take it and you feel better quickly. Even my kids, they start melting down if we are the restaurant or something. I'm like, you

have some charcoal and 20 minutes later, they're back to their normal selves. Really? Because I remember the last few years, it became, again, probably because of you. It became like a thing, this charcoal. And then do you have you heard of something called Fulvic Fulvic acid? Fulvic, Miss Hasid, isn't it? That's what I'm asking. Yeah, that has it.

I just posted about a brand being minerals on my Instagram. So what I actually do now is I'll add a Fulvic and Humic minerals, either I'll put it in with some probiotics, I'll drink, or I'll put it in with my coffee, you can't taste it, and it's heat stable. So you can literally just dump some in a cup of water with coffee, and it's invisible. So humic and philvic acid do stuff to sell electrical charts that's pretty good for you. And also, it doesn't also help detox your body also. That's what I probably probably. Yeah.

I'm gonna say, listen, I'm like, yeah, I'm a big fan of this, so I'm gonna send you some and you can tell me what you think. Oh, awesome, cool. Yeah, I thought for sure you'd be like a huge fan because of everything that you do that you would love it. But. It's really good stuff, I think,

that in terms of making your electricity work better, which does have a detox effect, I'm not sure about directly binding to, I think there's metal detox, but not lipopolysac right, is I'm just thinking about the research I've read. But yeah, I've had the BLK water. I don't know how do you say it, black or BLK. I call it BLK. Yeah, BLK. I've definitely had that stuff, you know, I've picked up at Whole Foods and all and it's

pretty cool. Yeah, I like it BLK, BLK. I've definitely had that stuff picked up at Whole Foods and all, and it's pretty cool. I like it. I like it. I like it. You want more minerals and you want more electrical activity in the cells. And it turns out everything I recommend in the world of biohacking is around those things, like less toxins, more energy, equals your clothes to a better, but more importantly, your brain works better.

And you have a, you can focus when you want to, and you're not thinking about food all the time. You're not worried all the time time and it's pretty liberating. What's like the next you know evolution of your stuff like. Give me something that like because you know will hear about it normally like you'll do it in like 10 years from now people are gonna talk about it. I'm bringing that out yeah bring that out at upgrade labs where there's this all these technologies my company called True Light we make LED light panels, but it's not just red and infrared. Oh, okay We're making some stuff with the rate of blinking and we're doing another color of amber a very specific wavelength that has multiple studies on what it does for skin and collagen

So light therapy like we're doing it upgrade labs, but right now, I've done that my- A lot of blocks, please. ... ... this company, you know, TrueDark. These are patented, or at least patent-pending, but I wrote the patent on these. These are not blue blockers. Blue blockers, right? They're not yellow. ... ... so much during the day, blue blocking will make you sick, because if you block all the

blue light, you don't get a wake up signal. You have to block suns. I'm a yellow glasses, block sun. These are designed for sleep. There's three variables, including the color of light, the angle, and the intensity. All of those are hacked here. So I can double my deep sleep if I wear the sleep glasses,

but blue blockers won't do it. This is from my company TrueDark. So my job now this year is to get the knowledge about all of this stuff around light. So my job now this year is to get the knowledge about all of the stuff around light so we can actually make our homes so the lights built in are compatible with our biology because junk light is as important as junk food for maintaining your health. So my house, we have dim lights at night because that's what our bodies expect and then my kids go to sleep on time and they sleep all night and so do I. Right? And so I consider those to be important.

And then a lot of the other more advanced stuff, pulse, electromagnetic frequencies, electrical current, manipulating the kinds of gassy breath, all of that is coming at upgrade labs. And that's just upgradelabs.com. So I'm really working on not just talking about it, but actually making it accessible and making it affordable. And that's my big mission right now. So when is upgrade labs gonna be everywhere? I thought there was just one here in L.A.

I didn't realize. There's one in Victoria where I live, opening in about a month. And there will be franchises all over the world. And if you go to upgradelab.com slash franchise, you can sign up to get info as soon as our franchise is closed, you're ready to go. So what are going to be big?

So what are going to be big? This is my next big, like really large company can sign up to get in post as soon as our franchise is closed. It's ready to go. No, it's amazing. It's amazing. You leave it big. This is my next big, like really large company because I want every city in the world to have a place where people can go and they can get more exercise and less time and they can recover faster than they ever could in the other way in a very small amount of time. I know how to do it. Like I've been doing this for 20 years. I spent a million bucks teaching myself how and now it's time to make this so why would you do something

else? Like you do this first because it's worth it. No, do you guys have a hyperbaric chamber in there too now or no? You have that thing. No, I will at the signature one up here because I have all my weird toys in Victoria. But hyperbaric is so powerful. It's incredible. But to be honest, you can buy your own hyperbarrick chamber if you've ever had a brain injury or cognitive problems, you need 41 hour sessions, you can buy your own chamber for like five or $10,000, which sounds like a lot, except when you're done with it, you can sell it

for almost what you paid for it. No, no. So you put in your living room, it's big and it's kind of annoying and noisy. So for two months, you lay down there and watch Netflix for an hour or listen to both your radio or listen to. Yeah. With the thoughts, I think they ain't you.

Do something good in their journal. It doesn't matter. But you sit in there for an hour and then you come out and by the end of that time, you're like, what happened to my brain? I love my life. Everything works again. Especially even if you hit your head as a child, your brain will recover with 40 sessions by per barric. But to come into a clinic and do it, I get someone sitting there like watching you for an hour where anyone can do this at home. So generally speaking, I love the idea of just doing hyperbaric at home, and you put on a credit card, you pay your interest payments, and then you sell it when you're done because there's such demand for these things. It's like it's gonna cost you $1,000 to do it at home

whereas if you go to a clinic, it's gonna cost you like four or $5,000 anyway by the time you do 40 sessions. Yeah, tell us a more about what you have there so people know, because I mean, I know, because I love it, but I mean, you have that crazy machine where people can work out in four minutes or. The machine, we have an AI driven bike

that lets you do 45 minutes of cardio in seven minutes. We have another machine that uses ice and compression and you can do a two and half hour cardio workout in 45 minutes without sweating. We have, we have whole body red and infrared light therapy. We've got cryotherapy where you stand in a room that's chilled to more than 100 degrees below zero, which tells your body there might be an ice age. So you feel really good when you're done, you heal faster. Yeah. I didn't mention pulse electron magnetic frequencies that exercise like your bones and your cells and a variety of other things like that that are intermittent hypoxic training where you you do brief bouts of exercise with no

oxygen. So the body is like, you mean I have to be good at using oxygen? Who would have thought? It's all about just making, you know, making your body so it's strong and resilient all the time. And it's about making you harder to kill. Yeah, absolutely. So feeling of safety is like, I got this. And I'll wrap you in two seconds.

Why do you like the red light? Because the red light, I've been using it because you've been talking about a lot of people have. So what I do is I put this you in two seconds. Why do you like the red light? Because the red light, I've been using it because you've been talking about a lot of people have. So what I do is I put this thing in front of me for 10 minutes, put it on my face. I don't know if it works, what it does. I'm just doing what they tell me to. It depends on the strength.

It depends on how close it is in the wavelengths. The ones that I make with true light. True light, yeah. They don't overheat. Sometimes they get really hot. Like I've actually, I've had round burn marks on my back from some of the things I've played with over the years.

Like, well, I've done all kinds of weird stuff. Yeah, I know, I was gonna say, I don't think that's that bad actually. No, but what you want to do is you want to get really close to your face. So like, what I do with mine is like, I'll like literally lay with half my face on it. You know, and then you turn your face the other way. So you get five minutes per side and oh my god

You'll see a difference from that in a big thing, but it also really amber and the red in it. Oh absolutely So yours has amber and red in it. Yes, amber red and infrared all together. And for red Yeah, in fact, yeah, send me in that email send me or shipping. I'll send you a true light Like we make an energy square that's really cool and And it's very different the way you find out there. Yeah, and everyone always asks me about my red light. And they're like, what are you doing? Cause I'll like sit here and I'll like listen to a podcast or do something while this red light is on.

You know, But if it's like this far away from you, you're not really getting enough signal and you, it really needs to be pretty close to the skin in order to get a meaningful dose of therapeutic light. So red light in the world around you is good because it's calming for your eyes and at nighttime red light doesn't disturb your sleep

if it's not too bright anyway. So red light can be illuminating but to actually use it for collagen synthesis, it's gotta be pretty strong and pretty close. Wow. And you said your eyes, is it bad for your eyes or good because there's a lot of controversy around that. If it's the final image, it's a lot of controversy.

There's studies that show reading under a red light improves visual acuity. And as an example, I went to a really high-end eye doctor and they do all sorts of weird tests on your eyes just as you're doing. And like, that's weird Dave. Your eyes don't have any of the yellowing of the cornea that you would expect for someone who's 48. And you can still read the finest print that's on our test. Like the same stuff a teenager can read without glasses, you can do that.

So at the end of the time, they said, we haven't really seen this before. Whatever you're doing is working. And she said, I think it's your supplements. I take multiple of the I armor supplement I've designed for bulletproof. I take several of those a day. And I use my true dark, the partial blue blockers during the day, and at night, I don't have bright lights on or I wear my sleep glasses from TrueDark.

I've been doing it for about 10 years now, that way. And oh my God, what a difference in my quality of life. So it saves your eyes. I think bright screens and LED lights are gonna cause a wave of macular degeneration that's terrible, and not for me, but it'll happen for people who don't take care of their eyes. My God, listen, I can talk to you all day.

I don't want to be rude because I know I'm like, I can go on and on. Yeah, so I'm going to just wrap this here. Davey, be like, amazing. They're like amazing guests. The new book is called Fast This Way. And, you know, where do people, like if people don't know where to find you tell us everything.

You can go to fastthisway.com sign up for the free fasting training. I'll teach you for two weeks. There's a vibrant community of people who help you and it's free. I just want you to learn how to do this even if you don't buy the book you can do it but you'll buy the book anyway because it's good. Yeah, if you go to bulletproof radio that's top 100 iTunes podcasts for five plus years running. It's a couple hundred million downloads, so it's worth your time. I promise you, every episode is designed to return more value to you than it took you to listen to it. And I'm on Instagram a lot, Dave.asprie. Well, thank you so much. You've been an amazing, yes. So This episode is brought to you by the YAP Media Podcast Network. I'm Holla Taha, CEO of the award-winning digital media empire YAP Media, and host of

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