Habits and Hustle - Episode 132: Claressa Shields – Pro Boxer, MMA Athlete, 2x Olympic Champ, 3x Division World Champ

Episode Date: September 7, 2021

Claressa Shields is a Professional Boxer and MMA Athlete, 2x Olympic Champ, 3x Division World Champ. Through being told she didn’t belong, not being taken seriously, and still, through all of her success not being held at the same caliber as her male peers Claressa has claimed her space as the G.W.O.A.T. (Greatest Woman Of All Time). Undefeated in multiple weight classes in boxing and entering into MMA just to have people to continue to compete against there appears to be no challenge too large for her to take on. Gold at the Olympics at 17! We can’t name enough of her accomplishments as an athlete and fighter. In this episode, she talks about mindset, routine, and the challenges she’s faced to get to where she is. She’s not stopping now. In some ways, this is a historic turning point in her career. There’s never been an athlete like she and we may not have another like her, at least, for a long time. You’ve gotta hear how she does what she does. Don’t miss it! Youtube Link to This Episode  Claressa’s Instagram Claressa’s Website ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Did you learn something from tuning in today? Please pay it forward and write us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts. 📧If you have feedback for the show, please email [e-mail]  📙Get yourself a copy of Jennifer Cohen’s newest book from Habit Nest, Badass Body Goals Journal. ℹ️Habits & Hustle Website 📚Habit Nest Website 📱Follow Jennifer – Instagram – Facebook – Twitter – Jennifer’s Website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Today on habits in hustle we have Clarissa Shields. She is a powerhouse, if I've ever seen one, guys. She is a professional boxer and now an M&M artist. She has held multiple world championships in three weight classes, and she currently holds the record for becoming a two and three weight world champion in the fewest professional fights. Shield is also the only boxer in history, female or male, to hold all four major world titles in boxing. Simultaneously, in two way classes,

she's also the first woman to win linear championships in two way classes. Also, when she was an amateur in her amateur career, she won gold medals in the Women's Middleweight Division at the 2012 and 2016 Olympics, making her the first American boxer to win consecutive Olympic medals. Please listen to this podcast.

This Women's Mental Toughness and Mindset is just unbelievably beyond, I guess, anything I've seen. So, enjoy. Today we have Clarissa Shield. She is a beast. If you guys don't know what this girl is, she is legitimately the most dominating women boxer, I think probably of all time at this point, right?

You're undefeated, you're in many weight classes. You, when you were 17, you won your first Olympic gold, correct? And then, and then you won, you get again, your second Olympic gold, when you were about 21, four years later. 21. Yeah. That's, and like, I have to just say from the beginning on, in like, you're only 26 years old.

I mean, you've done more in your life in the last few years, and most people can say in like 20 lifetime. So unbelievable. I guess the first thing is I want to ask you, I know your dad was a boxer and he got you into it all, but how did you become so freaking good? Like, I don't even know like what else to say. Like, it's just kind of, it's like,

it's unbelievable. Um, well, I started training when I was 11 and I think that, you know, God just kind of made the universe work for me because I was always blessed with like the best coach, the best foreign partners, partners, the best environment, you know, boxing and growing up and playing out. I was trained by Jason Crutchfield who trained me from the age of 11 to about 19, 20. And he didn't take it easy on me. He trained me like I was one of the boys, you know, I boxed with all the guys. I mean, by the time I turned 15, I was born guys, I was 21, they're 30 years old, and you know, beating them up in the gym.

And it was just like, I was the one who got the gym every day. So I wasn't the best box when I first started, but as I continue to come to the gym, and you know, as I got older, it'll be parties, it'll be clubs, it'll be, you know, with so many different things to do. And I always chose to just go to the gym. So I spent a lot of time, one on one, with my boxing coach at the time, Jason and

Precifield, with nobody else wanting to train, I would always show up to the gym. Ready, you know, ready to learn, ready to train, ready to get more knowledgeable. And he taught me, and that's how I became so great after you. I mean, I think you coined the term, do you actually own the trademark quote, like greatest woman of all time? Yes. Yeah.

I love that. And so when you were 11, so you started, so how much of this do you think is just raw talent and how much do you think is just raw talent and how much you think is just pure mindset and the desire to be the best and the want? I think that I think my upbringing made me tough. It gave me a lot of heart, but I believe that boxing is 80% mental. No, it's 80% mental. Yes, in 20% physical. So I think 20% of me being athletic, like in sports, like in a workout,

me having that heart to want to fight is everything of that 20% and then the 80% is really me just having that mindset to actually stick to a schedule, stick to the diet, be disciplined, train three, four times a day, and being able to make all these different way classes and just mentally knowing that every fight is different. You know, you can fight against the same fight or 65 times, but every time they bring a different them and you still gotta figure them out on how to beat them.

And I became a master at fighting, you know, 12, 15, 20 different ways, whatever, whatever way I have to fight to win. You know, I think that, you know, just having the courage to not be scared of nobody and just knowing that um hard work get the job done like never being afraid and like like nobody can beat me at like a mental game like when it come to trash talk and I when it come to say something get under somebody's skin nobody can say anything to get under my skin I'm always going get under everybody else's you know making them scared or you know making them think about something that I say or you know, making them scared or you know, making them think about something that I say or you know,

just letting them know that I'm not worried about our fight. I'm going to go on there and do what I did in my last fight. Like that's intimidate to people. So when I say 80% mentally, it's just like wanting to win. Well, you can take somebody's walks from them. Then they just become like a little, I don't know, club here something. Right, I mean, are you draw, I mean, because unlike anybody really else, I mean, not like I'm a connoisseur in boxing, but I mean, your record kind of speaks for itself, but you hold four major titles in boxing, you have the two gold, you two gold medals, you're also in every, you have three weight classes you're a champion. So are you dropping weight classes because you need to keep on finding people to fight you?

Because everyone just, there's not enough people who are willing or even have the ability at this point. So over boxing, I've, I've, I've, I've healed over 10 major titles. Team Kuzash. I have all the belts at 150 for, all the belts at 160, and I had two belts at 168. So I did start higher, and I started working my way down. I started working my way down because it was just more competition. Not that it wasn't like good competition at the girls that I hired weight, just saying

that at the time when I was at Super Middleweight about about 168 pounds It was about I don't know a lot of the bills were banking and I couldn't get nobody who will fight me all the girls were at 160 or 154 We're not gonna come to 168 to fight her. She's too big So I started going down to 160 and And those girls thought that I was struggling with making weight, so they would talk trash thing that I would make it to 160 and be drained,

but I actually was a better fighter because I fought the Olympics at 165 both times. So I was used to walking around at 160 anyway. And then I went down to 54 because it's like the younger, for like the smaller girls said, if they're better skilled, that they're better boxers.

And I'm like, no, y'all not, y'all just little. So I lost the weight to go and fight those girls, and I was able to beat those girls too. But I just go wherever I feel like the best a competition is. I would have fought against her so you're brought to set one of that 147, but she was scared of me. Yeah, I would be scared of you too.

I mean, I mean, I was like when I was researching you for the last couple days, there's a lot of stuff I found super fascinating. And we're going to get into that. But as we're talking about people who are scared of you, not whatever, were you going to fight Laila Alid last year? Because I saw there's a lot of trash talk in the media about you, her, wanting to not. And you're all about women empowerment and equal pay and equality. Was it were you going to fight her? And then it never worked out because of the fact

that it was just not fair in terms of the overall out like the payment that you guys were gonna get. Well, you know, boxing is a business and I didn't want to fight against Laila Ali and I guess she did want to fight against me, but the truth is she's been retired, you know, for 13, 14 years. I've been active for that many years.

And I think she just kind of got a little jealous with all the spotlight that I was getting and all the attention. And that's what kind of brought her back into, you know, boxing, the people are comparing me to her, saying, oh, who's greater? Her, well, that's like, I lead. And she never had that comparison before,

because all the other girls that box like you know box good But nobody nobody ever looked at them as being you know competition till Layla Ali, right? And so um When I came about in a start making the comparison I wasn't I didn't care about the comparison I always felt that I was better You know, you're not gonna call me little Layla Ali you can call her little courtesy shields But don't call me little like that's not that's not it, you know, you're not gonna call me little, like, Laila, you can call her little cursive shills, but don't call me little, like, that's not it. You know, so I think a lot of skeletons came out of the closet

because I didn't mention how she didn't fight in wolf. And I didn't mention how she didn't fight against all these other good female fighters who came up around her time and how she retired at 29. And I don't think that women's boxing ever had this much attention. So when I brought attention to that, I guess people started came front

and asked her like, well, why did you retire when it was 28, or 29, why didn't you continue to boxing? How come you didn't fight against Ann Wolfe? Like, we just saw many questions that people had. And I think that's what made her even more angry at me. So, no one else, so why did, by the way, why didn't she fight against San Wolf? Did you ever get an answer about that

or does anyone know that reason or? I've been able to meet both of them. And in front of the time I met Ann Wolf, who I met first, she told me that Laila I leave was scared of her. And when I was cool with Laila and me and her, you were talking stuff, she told me that Lela, I leave was scared of her. And when I was cool with Lela and me and her, you were talking stuff, she told me that Ann won't be scared of her.

So they were both just, Ann will say, say let us scared, and let us say Ann won't be scared. So that's the story, but I don't know what actually happened. I know Ann won't be the beast though. That's like, Oh my God.

Yeah. Absolutely. And so, okay, so then basically, it's unbelievable. I still am, I'm so, I'm still marvel at your list. Like, you're also the fastest of all time. And like, I mean, how do you even like compare

to anybody else at this point? You know what I mean? Like, it's, I don't. If I was a man and I had to complete all these things, I would be pound pound number one, you know, being able to go to all these different way of class, call out the best fighter, beat them, go down another way of class and beat that person, you know, I would be praised as number one fighter in the world. But since I'm a female, they want to put me as number 10 on pound pound list, number

five on pound pound list, or you know, number one for the women overall, but talk about the non-gender list. I'm like number five or number 10 or something like that. But my accomplishments, I would do all of them. Like a fighter who I let compare myself to is Canelo Avera. It's like, I like him. I like the way he box. He's a four division time champion. He's actually going up, so I started at 147, 144, 160, 168. He's even bought that 175, I think. And I mean, he's not under-sputed champion in any of those weight classes.

He wants to be under-sputed now, but I'm two timetime undisputed now, two different weight classes, one fifty-four and one sixty. So if we were to talk about, you know, resumes, my resumes better than he is, and he got way more fights than he, but also too, if we add the Olympics, I have two Olympic gold medals to his zero. Exactly. He's like, he's gonna pay 36.5 million a fight. And right now, you know, you know, going back and forth with these promoters and networks about when I'm a fight on TV

and how much I should make. And you're talking about, oh, 350K, 150K. And it's like, I don't even wanna talk about no 100,000. Like give me a million dollars and just you know hope like I I'm earned a million dollars, but they just keep you know trying to say that oh women's box and don't sell and all this stuff, but it's like I get more views than the man. I get more streaming than within the man but still they they try to make up all these reasons to why

women can't get paid like the men do. No, I know, look, it wasn't Floyd May, whether or worth like a billion dollars now, right? Is it not? I mean, he fought for 50 million for one fight, so. I mean, I know this could never happen, but would you be able to fight a guy and win? You think like, are you that in?

I can definitely be the guy. I mean, I be guys now, but I don't think I actually have to do that in order for me. Equal. Hey, let me, let me cut this food off for a second. Oh, yeah. Where'd you go? Did it cut wet off? It has some boy legs on. I was making salad.

Oh, okay, okay. Well, first of all, so let me, so because now you're transitioning to the MMA world. Now again, is it because like you've already kind of dominated the boxing world, you need to kind of find more competition and kind of keep it even to find people to fight with. Like is that again why you're moving to the MMA space because of the fact that really you kind of have done it all in the boxing world?

No, so I'm still going to box and do, I'm still going to box and do remain. So yeah, I'm gonna do both. I think people are of the box and do remain. So, yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna do both. I think people are used to boxers, are just stopping to do one or the other, but I'm gonna do both because I'm that great. But I'm doing him maybe because I wanna do it. I mean, it's always something that I thought about

over the years. I just was like, you know, I wanna stick to what I'm great at. But it's a different kind of humbleness to actually be here learning from the ground up, getting better at wrestling, getting better at kickboxing, getting better at your tips to learning all these things and just being comfortable, you know, like knowing, like this is adding to me being a great woman of all time.

Like this is why I'll be the greatest woman of all time because not only cannot boxing and accomplish all these things, but I can also do MMA. And I have the chance to be a boxing world champion at the same time of becoming an MMA world champion, which I plan on being good enough to go to the PFL tournament next year and win the championship there

and still hold my box in title. So I'll be in the May champ and boxing champ at the same time, which has never been done in his three. That's what McGregor was trying to do with Floyd Mayweather, but he lost. Yes. But isn't it trading training like you said, well, you have to learn all these different modalities,

you know, Jiu Jitsu and wrestling and it's so, it's like, how is it different? Can you like kind of explain the difference between training in boxing versus training in MMA? And it's very hard, I always think to pivot from one to another because you're so used to being, so dominating in one's area.

Look, I'm like pertaining to box. But how do you do it? What is the trading like in both? And how is it going? I think I wanted that the chain is kind of the same. The only thing that's different is all the different disciplines. So it's really like I say, it's a mental thing. So when I'm in boxing camp, I do a boxing training.

I'm not ever going to kick somebody in a boxing match. I know boxing too well. I'm like, oh, I wish I could kick this person in a fight. Like, no, for me in boxing, I know what I need to do. I know how I need to train. I box, I run, I shut up, I hit the pads, pushups. I still do, I've always been big on fitness. So like testing my natural strength,

strength and testing my speed and agility and stuff like that. So that all set the same for me. Only thing we may now is learn learning the different disciplines and learning all things and the defenses to them. So it's like, Apple in Orange is really, it's like, you know, Apple is, I don't know, you don't have to peel it, but MMA is an orange.

You gotta peel it. You gotta peel it. You got seeds in it, and you can break it down in all these different pieces. The apple you just buy it, you know? I guess I say Apple is more simple than orange. But orange has way more complex to it.

I wouldn't even say, right now I'm thinking about like a grapefruit, you know, I say like, I was shoot, I would say that MMA is like a grapefruit. You gotta peel it, then you gotta peel it again to get the white stuff off the grapefruit to get to the fruit on the inside. So I always say it's an apple compared to a grapefruit. That's a great analogy.

Yeah, all the different disciplines, it got offences, it got deepences, so many different things you gotta do. It's just more thinking to get to the fruit, but overall, the same thing is for both of them, they're eatable. So it's a fight for the aqua in the grapefruit. It's both a fight. It's about mental strength, physical strength, repetition, hard work, having a heart. That's what they both kind of is the same, man. But it's just different in the elements

that go into both of them. So are you conditioning with, are you weight training in both? Can you walk me through the day and the life of a, when you bought, when you trained to be a boxer and the day and the life when you trained to be a MMA fighter? Yeah, so, so boxing, I like to start my cardio off in the morning. I go to cardio or I actually do the conditioning. Later on in the day, I have boxing practice which consists of hitting the pads, hitting the bag,

doing some wardrobe with the combinations. And then, at night, sometime I was far, actually put on a head, get put on a glove, and spar with a partner. And it made more look like, get up in the morning, do a jog, some push-ups, some crunches, and then you have kickboxing practice. Then you have, do just the practice.

Then you have wrestling practice, right? But up in sparn is where you wanna mix all of them together. In sparn is light, but then sometime, sparn is like super hard. So I could train four times a day in MMA, working on every discipline and then at the sparring, and then in boxing. Everything is related to boxing because the reason is to make sure that I'm in shape for the 10 rounds in the boxing match. And that I'm losing weight, and then the training for boxing is to make sure that I'm in all social shape but I know like what the game plan is working okay for the fight we're

gonna do this so this is what you're gonna work on. So you do that the whole time you're at the gym and then you spark you work on it. So it's all boxing so it's running boxing boxing and then for in LA. Oh, how the fuck is this going? I picked off the eye and put it on another eye that was cooking with the hand. Oh my god, is it okay? Yeah, that's good. Oh my god, the hand is cooking. But, no, I was saying that for every day, yeah.

In MMA, you got, I get up in the morning, I do my workout, push-ups, crunch, just my fitness, and then, jujitsu, wrestling, cheek boxing, and then you mix them all together when you like spar. So. Vitamin water just dropped a new zero sugar flavor called with love. Get the taste of raspberry and dark chocolate for the all warm. All fuzzy, all self-care, zero self-doubt you. Grab a with love today.

Vitamin water's zero sugar, nourish every you. Vitamin water is a registered trademark of glass O. How many hours a day do you train for MMA? And how many hours a day do you train for boxing the same? It really depends on the day. I love recovery. I love giving myself a break some time off. You know, but I like to like go hard for a few weeks before I just, okay, now it's time to take a break.

I would say here in the main, I've been training. I work out around here. I work four to five hours a day. And then when it comes to boxing, I get up in the morning, sometimes I'm in the condition to work out. It may just be a run. But then sometimes I do run, like I do a three mile run, and I do some weight training, I do some legs,

which can last almost two hours. And then I'll go home and eat and hydrate and stuff, then I'll press for two to three hours. And then sparring is about like another hour. So it's like five, six hours for both actually, you really depends on what I have to do for today. Is the diet the same? How do you eat? What is your diet in both? Are you is a different for MMA than it was for boxing or? I don't like to say that. I have a diet because I have to watch my eating so much around the year.

So I say I have a life plan. That's what makes me feel better about it. So I really, now that I've been working out so much and I'm so fit, I don't have to eat super straight but I have gotten accustomed to staying away from fried foods. So I eat a lot of, I'm a peccasian, I only eat fish, I don't eat any other meats. So it's fish, salads,

boiled eggs, spinach and stuff like that. A whole lot of fruit. I love my grains with the rice and the pastas, things of that nature, and I eat beyond meat, which is like, it's the fake burger or whatever. So I eat that, but I like some more of cook for myself. They have, you know, eat out or have people cook for me because I'm just really good at cooking. Really? Oh my gosh. So it sounds to me like it's interesting because you're the top of your game

and there's so many fads out there with all these different diets. Like, oh, I'm doing the paleo, I'm doing the whatever diet it is. And you're just kind of seeing pretty basic. Like you're eating, you're not, you're not, you're not, basically all you're not doing is eating red meat or chicken, but you're eating everything else. You don't, you eat your raised potatoes. You're not, it's not precise. Like a lot of times athletes have like, everything's dialed in to be so precise. Like it sounds to me, you're doing it yourself. Like you

don't even have a team of people, like a entourage of people watching your diet watching all this stuff. I wanted when it get close to the fight. I have this nutrition team that I work with and it's called perfect athletes, but I, but even though like they may send me full like they may send six ounces of meat for ounces or rice six ounces of vegetables and one needed to eat that. And that just me getting more stricter on my diet or on my life plan when you're getting closer to the fight to make sure that my weight is coming down. But even when I'm not in camp, I don't just eat like ice cream, candy, cupcakes, cake, like I'm just not like a big eater like that. Like I can eat, but I already eat a lot of healthy stuff.

Like I'm like, this is my second salad that I just made. I got some boiled eggs and I got some flour and fish that I just cooked. So soon, look at all the year, I'm gonna eat that. But, it's for you. I'll eat it for the day. And I feel good right now. You know, I feel good, eating better make sure about it feel better like when I eat fried foods I feel so sluggish and fat

and bloated, but yeah, yes, I have my cheat days who doesn't but every day people think you have to have this strict diet in order to lose weight. And it's just about every day being aware of what you're eating. Like you don't have to have four healthy meals a day. You can cheat. You can eat something bad. But don't, but I just, I really, I have a peppy, a peppy about people who like, oh, I already started off eating bad. I might as well finish the whole day. He's like, don't do that. That's a huge setback. Like, no. Get your body accustomed to eating healthy.

You know, so it was like every day, like if I want to go get some fried fish, I go get it. I go cook it or something, eat some fried open. Like, I love so food. But I'm not going to eat so food like the whole day. You know what I'm gonna have that one cheap meal, and then the rest of the day, okay, I'm cleaning it up with a salad,

I'm gonna drink some more water. Just has some fish and rice to end it out the day. Like, you don't have to, like yes, okay, to make your cravings feel okay, but don't just overdo it. No, it's great, it's great advice. And it's true. Do you watch your portions then? Like, are you just much more mindful of how much you eat of things? So it's so because I know a lot like me, if I would eat

something that I love, or big, even if it's healthy, I'll eat like seven portions instead of one, you know what I mean? So I'm going to be gaining weight. Like if I like potatoes, even if it's roasted or baked potato, I'll have like three. So how do you, are you just very good and mindful about how much portion you're eating each time? So you stay within the weight that you need or? I would say that I am portion wide,

that I'm also too eating, I don't eat to be satisfied. I eat to be satisfied, not food, like not food. You know what I mean? So once we all know what being hungry feels like. So for me, it's like, I'm hungry, I eat, and once that hungry feeling goes away, I don't do too much three more bites after that.

Like I just kind of leave it there like, okay, that's enough. Like I don't like to stuff myself and be, to me that's being fat, you know what I mean? Like we just keep eating and like, yes, the food is good, but you can come back later and get some, like don't stuff yourself all up because for me, I don't think it's myself, why did I eat on that? You know what, it wasn't that serious. So for me, it'll be that serious. I just ate the salad before

I got a phone with you. I ate another salad because the salad was good. And I'm going to add some other fish to it, probably eat one piece or two pieces, but I'm not going to eat it. So I'm like, you know, stop. Stop. How about supplements? Do you take supplements or do you, or you're not really into supplements? Melatonin. Melatonin.

Oh, why can't you sleep? Are you kind of like not a great sleeper or? I'm a night owl, sadly. And that's why, you know, people in the UK be up and I be on Twitter, tweeting and they're like, you can't even go to sleep. We're under your skin so bad. And I'm like, no, I suffer bad from it. Especially when there's a lot of my mind, you know, I'm thinking about so many different things. So I like to take my tone in to give a leg, so I can actually fall asleep. You can get some sleep for a morning training, but sometimes I go to bed at like three to the clock

in the morning and I wake up at nine and you're ready for my workout in the morning. And you'd be like, oh, I feel so, so tired, but it's hard for me to go to sleep. Wow, how do you have then the energy to like, especially like I'm sure in fight nights, right, when you're going to be fighting? Are you not, if you're not sleepy, if you don't fall sleep till three or four o'clock, how are you not just petrified? I'm like getting into the ring.

I've been just been so many years, like I don't be up, like doing anything that's like wasting my energy, like I'll outlaying the bed, I'll toss in turn, you know I'll get on my phone. I just kind of like let myself relax and when I thought it was about far to sleep, but even during like five week, me and my nutrition team, we get very strict about what time I take them all to on it. How many I take, must go to sleep, must sleep off some weight. Like, they're like super straight, so I try to listen to them. And it's a couple nights where I'll get up at two

at the clock in the morning, and I'll shout about about 30 minutes. And then I'll be okay, I'm tired, and I'll go back to sleep. You know, but most, every fight. So okay, so let's get this. So are you ever scared when you're walking into the fight? Like, how are you not?

I'm not scared of nobody. But like, you have such a cute face. Don't I chew word, you're gonna ruin it? Nah, I'm worried that I'm gonna ruin them. I just, it's, I'm, so, I want, okay, I really want to talk about the mindset piece because obviously this is why you're so good. But when you were young and you started this,

like the whole process, right? There were, like, what was like, what was your driving factor? Like what made you so determined? What gave you such discipline? Like, was there a reason that you were so, so like that? Because you see people all like it's, it's usually when someone is that determined, they, there's like something underlying, right? I think I was chosen, you know, when I first started boxing, I was boxing

to make my dad happy, you know, you want to be a boxer, you can be a boxer, and I'm already older and aging. I'm like, you know,, I want to do something to make my dad happy. And I started boxing, and I fell in love with boxing. And then it was like, I want to be good at this. You know, I want to hack that, I want to hack that, I want to hack that, I want to hack that, I want to hack that, you know, uppercuts and hooks. And that's what I was working on.

Like, every day I just wanted to get a little bit better. I wasn't in a rush to be the greatest. But I'm just never been scared of nobody, even in the gym. It's like to me, yeah, you may beat me today, but you won't beat me tomorrow. And that's part against the guys. I was never scared that nobody was gonna hit me

because I always went in there to hit me because I always went there and hit them, you know, I always started the party. Guys want to take it easy on me and sparring, I get pissed off, you know, and I just part as I can. I mean, I put them in a head like I'll push them, you know, just to make them get like, oh, I got to get aggressive with her. And so, you know, like this is serious business. Like, I'm not here to let you give me this little,

you know, slow jab, you know, play with me. I want to know, like, take serious or, or else you will get beat up a year. And I beat up a lot of guys who are just, disrespect for my skills and my power. You know, so, I don't know. It just seemed like, I never look at myself as being a victim like oh I'm scared cuz this girl is stronger or she's bigger or she got more fights were I

Just never been scared nobody always thought to myself If I'm gonna go down I'm gonna go down swing and I'll be perfectly fine with that So I go on there and just fight every fight fight, use my knowledge, use my combinations. And I break girls mentally because who I am right now is not who I am beside the ring. When I get inside the ring, it's a whole different. I'm here to see killing, see killing destroy. That's why I'm here.

And then after the fight, I'll have all the sportsmanship, all the love you want. But before the fight, I only have our sportsmanship, our love you want. But before the fight, I only like to be friends with the girls. No kidding. I mean, so when you're like, how about like, you have a boyfriend, right? Like, is he scared of you? I mean, are men scared of you? Because I mean, you're scary. Like, you're so caught, like, you're so caught caught sure of yourself and confident that like it's intimidating, right? Man is not scared of me at all

But then as he gets a different side of me like it's the love and clearest like people don't know that you know like I'm massage my man. I cook for my man, I, you know, I run errands, you know, for my man, like, I'm like, I watch his clothes, I fold down. What? Watch movies together, like, I'm like a real, like, sweet girl friend, you know? So people don't know that.

And I don't speak on much to that, but my boyfriend will tell you that unlike in your relationship, if you just on my bad side, I will be mean. And I don't be mean enough, like, like, you know, like, oh, let's fight kind of way. I just be mean to like, OK, I'm not talking to you today. Or, you know, I like the way you treat me. You've been an ugly person.

Like, I have a great way about expressing myself. And I don't like, I don't ever want him to think that I wanna fight him or it really doesn't matter who's the better fighter out of me, him, honestly. I look, I tell any guy, you know, any man who I know, if you think you can beat me in the fight, we'd go, sound you a professional contract and be pro because that means you're a hell of a boxer.

Like, no average Joe should be able to beat me in the boxing match. If so, I like, I shouldn't be boxing. So, I say there's a lot of, there's some elite guys who are good bots who may give me a good run, but they're not gonna knock me out. So it's not gonna be like a dude who doesn't train her bots

or you know, even fit who think he's just gonna, oh yeah, I can put the gloves on where her and beat and beat her in about to match this, it's a trick to it, like it's not even possible. So I let that be known and people know that that I'm from Flint and I grew up in Flint and none of the guys in my hood are trying me, they all know, like I'm about that action. So it's best to just be respect,, be respect, cool, and be nice, because I am a nice person. I just had a short time before disrespect with anybody.

So, you know, my work and not scared of me. But my work and it's, it's also sweet. And he's a tough guy to know. He's a tough guy. I would like to, you know, what to do, bossing around. To be with you, I would imagine he has to be like super tough. Like how big is he? Is he like 10 foot tall? Like how big is he? My boyfriend is 5 11 and a half. He's almost, but he's 6 feet with his shoes on. So 5. I'm five nine

He's actually pretty built He grew up like he was like a smaller guy, but he got big old muscles big chest like my boyfriend people Think that we're the perfect match because I Just have like this extreme rain confidence all the time and he walks around with his chest just hooked out all the time like do relax like put his down but that's how his body is like he's just like he's like this all the time. I'm like do relax you got really great posture so it's just like when I'm telling him like you walk around without his confidence like uh that's not okay you know so be confident wherever we go like you around which people we around people who got this or that he's not intimidated because He got his own suburnal. He's in real estate. He's a gym owner. He's a fitness trainer

And of course he got the bad chicken in the world, so whoo 100% I second that motion how how long have you guys been together for? It'll be a year in July. Oh, it's new, okay. And are you ever in security? Do you have any insecurities you ever have any doubt? Is there anything about you that ever is or do you have any at all?

One doubt? Any insecurity? Do you have any at all? One doubt? Any security? I hate when I only have my hair done, you know. But in securities, no, I'm believer you speak into yourself what you want, you know. But I just, I think believer you speak into yourself what you want, you know, but I just I think sometimes I feel like I may be too nice

When you like come to like my friends and stuff or like my family. I think best security I have and I don't know I think sometimes when I game wait I just hate that sometimes how my stomach looks fat Sometimes when I lose when I when I game way on my stomach look fat. Sometimes when I lose, when I gain weight, I'm like, oh, my stomach looks fat. I have a two-pack, so it was six-pack. I be insecure about half-shurred or something, but. You're the other girl.

Like every other girl, basically. Yeah, like I love everything about the way that I look, you know, even before I got my teeth fixed. Like that was my one-ass security that I had. It was like my teeth were crooked, and was my one-a-security that I had. It was like my teeth were crooked, and it was show a shadow. I was looking or talking a certain way, and I always wanted to have straight teeth,

but other than that, I never wanted anything else, like to have a bigger breast or a bigger breast. I got a pretty nice booty, I got nice legs. I'm about a good big cup, you know. I don't have to. Maybe a C or a D or E,, whatever I'm doing with the big. You're happy with yourself, basically.

Overall, you're a good role. I mean, listen, I think that you're a very good role model for young girls, right? Because you are, you exude confidence, you kind of take what you have and you make it work for you. And I think it's interesting, because I heard you on an interview, maybe it was Joe Rogan actually that I heard you on, and you were talking about how people don't like women who are confident or people who,

it's like looked upon as unfaminen. Yeah, can you speak about that? Because I thought that was really profound and true. Yeah, it's super true. Like, like I was saying today, when I was on Good Morning America, they think that they can make this box and tell you what a woman is or what a good woman is. And they want to say, oh, she's quiet. She's, you know, she doesn't try to talk.

She doesn't curse. She wears straight hair. She's soft-spoken. They give you all these things about what a good woman is. And it's like to hell with that. That's not what all women are. Where will we be in the world without the rows of hearts? Or the soul, or the truth?

Or just the opus? Where will we be in this world without the Laila Ali's, you know, she trashed off, she bought, she represented like where were we being if all women just let the men tell us what we are? Like, oh, you're a woman, so you can't say this and you can't do that. We were just to abide by that. We all kind of be trying to be the same, force and our ourselves to be something that we're not. Like, look, if you're a boxer and you don't talk trash,

congratulations. With me, I talk trash, I back it up, I fight, I call it the best fighters. I just speak facts, you know, but it's like, in boxing, I don't know, I mean, just in general, every woman is different. Like men are, men are, accepted for being different, you know?

Man, that's quiet, man, that are kind of feminine, man that are super strong, man, that me too, right in the middle, you know, you got all these different kind of feminine, men that are super strong, men that meet you right in the middle. You know, you got all these different kind of men, but they want every woman to just be the same. I mean, it's like, that's not right to me. And I've always said that I'm like, you know, do you, do whatever makes your heart happy?

Like, when I first started boxing, I heard some of the most craziest things of people, all you're gonna be brain dead by the time you're 17 years. So women don't belong in boxing. Boxing is a man's sport. You're gonna get hurt. You'll never make any money in boxing.

You'll never fight on TV. They say so much. They say so much stuff to me. And what if I just would have listened to it? I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be this accomplished fire. Like I made over a million dollars in Bahton. I'm happy to say that.

After all my accomplishments, all my hard work, I can say that I have grossed over a million dollars. Should be more, of course, but I am making a way for women who don't want to just be regular. Like I think Serena Williams should be applauded for how strong she is, how competitive, how just, man, she's a beast. I should be applauded.

All the girls that buy to MMA, we should all be applauded because we're doing our job, but at the same time, we are accepting our feminine traits. You know, like I think that I'm a very good looking woman, but when I'm, but when I'm training and I'm fighting, I can not have on my lashes and my makeup and have my hair done. It just not going to work. I know I have makeup and eyelid just dripping in my eye when I fight. Like, it's not that important to me. Where my brain, and you know, my most luckily bigger because I train so hard,

I wanna be cut up for the fight. And you know, I'm gonna be mean because that's my job when I get outside the ring. Then I can go back to being the woman that I am. But I don't have to be like any other woman to be accepted. And I'm not gonna let nobody tell me that, oh, in order to get endorsements to your sponsorships, you have to be this way.

It's like, well, I guess I won't get them then, because I'm not gonna live unhappy to make people who don't even care about my happiness to make them happy, to make them feel comfortable. I just don't believe in dumbing it down for nobody, and I'm not gonna do it. And shouldn't. And I think that there's something to being authentic and being genuine and being real, right? And to me, I think that's the most, I think that's what's really appealing about you, right? Because there is no, there's no facade. You're not coming on here pretending to be something

that you're not. And if that, if it was me and and I would say, if you were the hope for an example for other women, is the fact that you should be who you are. And don't try to please just to, don't try to like change yourself to please someone else, right? And that's the truth. Just everybody should do their heart designs. I feel like if everyone accepted what they heart felt,

and deal with their heart desires, we would be in such a better position in the world. Like we got school teachers who hate kids. Like, it's like what the hell did you go to school for? You know, and then we got music teachers who teach music but don't love music. You know, and then there's boxing coaches who want to teach boxing, but they don't like teaching. They just knowledgeable, but they're like, I'm just gonna teach it because I came boxing the more.

And you know, we just like, whatever your heart wanna do, go do it. If you wanna go be a stripper, have fun. Damn, you know, like don't try to be like, oh, I can be a stripper because this person or that person won't like you. Like, do whatever your heart desires, you know, and you'll be happy.

Like, I'm more happy with self satisfaction than I am with, please and others. Yeah, I agree. So will you always this, did boxing give you the confidence? Did boxing help build your confidence at a young age or did you already have the, were you already kind of a confident kid, and it just enhanced everything? I was not confident here.

No. Oh my God, bullied. I got picked on. I had a speech impediment. I started until I was in the fifth, sixth grade. Um, boxing gave me the confidence to pick up for myself tonight. To not take no shit from nobody. That's what Boston gave me.

But it also gave me the sense of, I don't know, I can speak up for myself and not be afraid of what anybody was going to do to me about it. You know, and that was a good feeling in itself because so many times when I was growing up, I was scared of people and I was intimidated. But once I started boxing and just started, that's where my confidence grew, from my hard work, from my dedication, from my accomplishments. As I exuded those things, I just became more confident, more confident, more confident. And at first, I didn't know what to do with the confidence because hearing people say things that they said to me,

made me feel uncomfortable. It was like, well, is it okay to be this way? You know, it's like, is it okay to be confident? Is it okay to speak about what you want to do? Speak about your dreams. Like, I was telling people when I was 13 years old, like, I'm going to be the first woman to win an Olympics for my term 17. Like, I was 13 years old saying these and people were looking at me like,

you know, stay humble. It's good to dream. Only person who was telling me like, yeah, feel like that, speak that was with my coach Jason Crutchfield. I mean, he caught me the greatest, the greatest woman boxer of all time when I was 15 years old. Really? Yeah, like, and when he said that I was like, well, I don't know coach,

I haven't fought against the best yet. And we were watching this girl named Mary Spencer who was at the time, right? Number one in the world. And I like, Mary Spencer pretty good. He just was like, and we were in this girl named Mary Spencer who was at the time, right? Number one in the world. And I like, Mary Spencer pretty good. He just was like, and we were in Canada watching her fight. He said, I tell you what. And I said, well, he said, you be her right now, one hand.

He said, you be her right now with your jab. I said, her? Are you sure? And I'll tell you what, within that next year, I was fighting against Mary Spencer and I smoked her. Really? He was saying I was the best. When I beat her, it was like, well, am I the best?

It was like, whoa. You know, it was like, I didn't beat the number one. She was a three-time world champion. She had won in, I want to say, 2010, 2008, and 2006 World Championships where she fought five times throughout the week and beat the best girls in the world. So it was like, now we're leaving up to 2012 Olympics. She's a three-time world, she's a three-time world champion. And she's getting her to go to the Olympics. She's a favorite to win. And I fought against her in the Continental Championships in Cornwall, Canada and I smoked her at the age of 16. So it was like,

it was like, dang, maybe, maybe I am the greatest. And that's when it was a mate. When I won the Olympics when I was 17, I'm like, I'm still pretty good. Like, there's no girl that can really beat me, you know? And then when I went to the second Olympics, that's when I was like hands down, great one of all time, hands down. So like, where did you get like, so was it, it sounds to me, it was pretty obvious to your coach Jason that you were really

good, like raw. Your raw talent was good. And then the combination of your raw talent with your determination and discipline and hard work and all that other stuff just made you just what you are, like unbeatable, undefeated, like greatest woman of all time. How would you tell people, like how do people gain that discipline? And like for people who are listening who are like,

God, I wish I had just like a percentage of that ability, that discipline. How do you, what would you tell people? Give them some like some advice on where to get it from or how to bring it out within them. I would just say honestly, the harder you work at something, the more you should believe in yourself. And speak whatever it is, into existence, no matter what it is, no matter how crazy it sounds.

You know, speak it out loud. And then when you speak it out loud and you speak it to yourself, then you hear it. Then you start feeling it on the inside. Like, I have this burning desire for boxing to just want to win every fight. And I want to tell people, you own the first step of losing is thinking that you lost. That's the first step. That's the first step of losing. Like losing takes, losing is a problem. It's a progress to that. You don't just lose. It's like there were thoughts, there were action, there were things that led up to this loss. The same thing going winning. First, you have to think you can win. Then you have to start working towards me. Then you've got to start putting in the time and everything.

And then all you know, you're a winner. But if you think that, if you let somebody beat you at the mental game already before you even get to whatever the competition is, and you say, man, this person pretty good there, I'm gonna lose. You lost. That's the first hit in the ring, or you getting whatever composition you're doing and

this person isn't even as good as you thought, but you don't have the gumption and you to pull it out and prove that because you've already defeated, once you tell your mind that this person is too good, it just makes the body react to that like, oh, this person is too good. You know, and you all have to say stuff like, listen, this person is too good. You know, and I, and I, you all have to face up like, listen, if somebody is just as good as you, you see good, it's okay. You're good. I'm good too.

You know, and I'll, okay, you're, okay, you're strong. I'm strong too. You're fast. I'm fast too. You smart, I'm smart too. And she didn't see herself. So when you go into whatever conversation it is, you feel like, hey, if she's gonna beat me

or if she's gonna be better than me, she gonna have to put up a hell of a fight. She might be beating me in everything, strength, power, combinations. She gotta just be, she gotta be everything to beat me. She can't just be faster than me. I think she'll win or be or be longer or taller. She got to cover the combination of things to be better, but you got to speak that to yourself. But the minute you just, you're ready to go to

worrisome money and then you let down, it's over. So it sounds like you do a lot of self-talk over the years, where it's become your new, it's become your new, like, I don't know, vernacular. It's like how you, that's all you really think of. You've said it so many times, that's really, you've trained your brain, so to speak. Because there's so many people out here who doubt, you know, who doubt to and tell you that your thoughts are wrong, that you're wrong, you're not this, you're not that. you know, who doubt you and tell you that your thoughts are wrong and that you're wrong. You're not this, you're not that. And it's like, what would give you the right to tell, tell me what I think by myself? Like I hate people say, you talk about your accomplishments too much.

I did. If anybody should be talking about you should be me. I'm going to train. I don't want to let that punch in the face. I know why I'm like I hit in the stomach I'm the one that's going here and Throw my hands in fight. You didn't have to do it and People want you to wait today till you owe your great. Oh, you're the best and it was like I don't need y'all to tell me nothing. I already know Needs to add it to and that is how I've been

For so many years now, and it's just not one to change like I actually feel I feel good too. And that's how I've been for so many years now. And it's just not one to change. Like I actually feel, I feel good, you know, knowing that nobody can say nothing to me to be like to where I'm like dang, maybe they're right, right. Maybe when he's boxing his trash, maybe I'm not a good boxer, you know, maybe being a one boxer is easy. It's like, if you can't come do my job, then it's best you just stay doing your job.

That's it. Like, let me do me, and you do you, boo, that's it. I love that. What was you have done if you didn't become a boxer? Like, what other, what past do you think you would have taken? I would have been some kind of athlete. Like, always like, my first dream was to have 11 kids by the time I was 26, which is so funny

because now he thinks no kid, not married. Right. But when I was a kid, that was my dream though. I wanted to have a really big family. I didn't think about how I was gonna provide, but then I'm gonna take care of him. I just wanted to have babies. I don't know what the I was gonna provide, but then I'm gonna take care of him. I just wanted to have babies. I don't know what the hell was wrong with me.

Wow. To be a mother, so I have a great love and great joy spending time with children. Amazing, maybe you'd be a nanny. I don't know. I love, I just love giving kids something to be happy about as they're being a kid, because once you get grown a teenager, life is a little bit harder, you know.

So why not enjoy the younger here? So I love taking my nieces and nephews skate you to the movies. You know, I teach every last one of my nephews and nephews a nice side of box, every last one of them. How to hit the bat. And I have some serious talks with them. I mean, from the younger people, from the younger kids to my odors,

I got knees and neck, who's from the age of nine months, eight months old, till 17. So all my brothers and my sisters have kids. I'm the only one who don't have them. Wow, yes. But I don't think they have the kind of life that you have right now, right? With like fighting and being the champion and doing all the, and now like transitioning

into like a whole other sport. How did you get involved with the PFL, with professional fighters league? And by the way, how are they different than UFC? I mean, I don't know how you've seen PFL are different. Okay. PFL based off them, I understand that I wanted to make MMA a career and not just the one pop shop. Like show up, fight your best fighter, win or lose and then go back to boxing. It's like, I really want to dip into MMA. Like, I really want to train. I really want to be able to get that experience. And then I want to have a chance to fight for a million dollars.

Yeah. And wait. Didn't mean in a way. So I'm like equality sounds good to me. Yeah. When did you first fight? I fight June 10th. Wow.

That's coming up so soon. Nine weeks. Okay. Who are you fighting? I don't know. Yeah. they're supposed to be announced next tomorrow. Tomorrow? Yeah. Okay, so then you don't know who the fight's going to be even, I don't know. They're going to let me know, but in the day, no matter who it is, I just got to get ready and get prepared because I know she's going to want to come in there and beat me and give herself a name.

And I can't let her do that. So I'm just training and working on everything. Wow. And where is it going to be pay-per-view or how do people do you know any of that? It'll be on ESPN with the PFL network. Wow. And that's, so right now you're training. And what's your training schedule?

You're on off like three weeks on, you said, and then you take a break, or what do you do? You know, so I like to be here. So I've been here almost three weeks now. I go home three days just to keep that balance of family relationship and everything. Then I come back for two more weeks. Then I go home three days and I come back through weeks.

Then I go home three days and I go back three weeks. I mean, then I go home two days, then I come back two weeks, then I go home three days, and I go back two weeks. I mean, then I go home three days, come back three weeks. So I'm spending majority of my time here. Wow. And then what's your recovery, like, what do you do to recover? What kind of stuff are you doing? You doing ice baths, or what's your... I got ice baths.

I do epsom-s ice baths, I do epsom saw baths, massages, just icing, you know, certain areas, and I'm sleep, you know, I try to relax and sleep and sometimes whatever major store can make you on-sort. So you guys saw from kicking, and you're going to kick the back. It just makes it more loose. You know, when you're gonna get stiff and it gets tired, it's like, oh shit, now we got a problem. Right, right, right, wow. I mean, I feel like, what else can I even ask you?

I mean, there's really, you've kind of given me everything. I think that this is great. I think that, hey, I'm excited to watch you fight June 10th. I mean, that would be amazing. I can't wait to hear tomorrow. No, look, I know who these fighters are. Who is the best UFC? Not UFC.

Who is the best MMA woman? Amanda Noonis? Is that her name? The best one? Right now? In the league for MMA? Hi. In the PFL, the champion out lightweight is Taylor Harris.

So right now she used the best M.O.A. class. Oh, she is the best. Okay. Oh, but I'm saying like you take like Ronda Rousey and all those other ones who used to be MMA. Like who are you looking like? Who would you, if you keep on going to be the world champ, who would be the one like, who was the best ever in MMA? was it Ronda Rousey?

Who was the best? The man is new and he is right now. It is a minute news. That's what I thought it was right wow and so Amazing well, I feel like I like I said I've asked everything. I wish you so much luck for your fight in June Thank you. You're very welcome and And I have to say also that the fact that I think for someone, it sounds like you have a really, you know, your head on right, you know, your very, your, your message, you want equality, you kind of like have, you have like a good balance between your family, you kind of are prioritizing things very well for someone who's so young. It's very impressive. You are so accomplished at 26 years old.

I mean, it's really, you're not even, you haven't even hit your stride. I mean, they say that you don't even hit your stride as an athlete as a professional. What's a 28 to 30 or something like that? What a heart. Yeah, it's unbelievable. So I can't even imagine what you're going to be doing in like two, three years from now. It's going to be insane. But like I was trying to say that you seem to have your head on really, really tightly,

really well, like your balance between what's important to family and being true to yourself. And it's just really nice to see someone like I said who's 26, who kind of seemed to have it all prioritized really well. You know, I had prayed to God when I was 14. And I said, God, I pray that you give me a stronger mind. You know, I feel like I was really weak minded. I was bothered by words and by people, you know, making me feel a certain way. But I just seemed like after I made that prayer that God, you know, just give me a stronger mind.

When I was 14, he made me 20. You know, just like, you want to strong mind. When I was 14, he made me 20. You know, you want to strong mind. Here you go. Yeah. I've always been able to think ahead and not not be too down to myself and just like know what to do. Like I don't expect to be happy every day. But I don't have to be sad either. Like I can kind of be in the middle and be neutral. And I can be perfectly fine with that some days, but I'm just a person that I realize that every day

is different than the other one. Some days are good, some are bad, but I'm still just grateful to be here. And just grateful that I've been able to begin all the opportunities that I've been given over the years. Even now, it's amazing being hard in boxing, but it's still like it's a great opportunity, you know, to keep being great. Absolutely.

Well, one other question I have to know, what's your hobbies? Like when you're not fighting or cooking or what do you like to do on your spare time? Like when you're not doing this stuff? I like to watch TV. Super favorite show. Super girls on my favorite shows. Super girls on CW. Also black lightning on CW. I just finished watching the last Airbender. It's a cartoon, but it just got it's just so much to it. I love it. I Like to go I like to like play cool go bowling I love trying out new restaurants for food to eat and

I just love taking trips like for my birthday my boyfriend took me to Tampa. We sat there five days and it was just So fun. I finally got on the jet ski and I had a really good time. It was a lot of fun. Oh, that's so fun. I love that. Right, it was your birthday just recently. That's right, happy birthday.

Thank you. You're welcome. So you're newly 26, which is even more crazy. You're kind of like, barely out of 25. Yeah. Amazing. Where do people, if they want to hear more about you or find out more about you, where can they go?

Do you have Instagram and give us all your details? Yeah, so if you want to follow me, follow me on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook at Clarissa, C-L-A-R-E-S-S-A, Shields, S-H-I-L-D-S, and just for behind the scenes of my, the, my image training of my life, the behind the scenes of everything, you can just subscribe to my YouTube channel, Clarissa Wolk Shields. No, I'm going to do that actually.

I didn't know you had YouTube also. You have like a 9,000 subscribers right now trying to make it 20. Oh good. Well, you'll have 9000 in one Exactly exactly. Thank you so much for for joining me today and Hopefully like I said, I'm gonna definitely watch your fight and we will talk. I'm sure quite soon Okay, for sure. Okay. Bye. We're having that the habits and hustle podcasts power by happiness Hope you enjoyed this episode. I'm Heather monahan host of creating confidence a part of the Yap Media Network The number one business and self-improvement podcast network

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