Habits and Hustle - Episode 135: Chelsea Handler – Comedian, Host “Chelsea Lately, and 6X NYT Best Selling Author

Episode Date: September 28, 2021

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I got this Tony Robbins you're listening to Habits and Hustle. Fresh it. Today on Habits and Hustle, we have the one and only Chelsea Handler who is a woman who does it all. I mean, this woman is a comedian, a television host, a best-selling author six times over, and an advocate whose humor and candor have established her is one of the most celebrated voices in entertainment and pop culture today.

She's also on tour right now, cross-North America. Her tour is called Vaccinated and Horny. She just did an HBO Max stand-up special, her first in six years called Evolution, which was really funny. And her latest book that was called Life Life Will Be the Death of Me, is also being made into another TV show. I mean, this woman is a powerhouse,

if I've ever seen it. She also, I should say, has a podcast too. Of course she does, right? Called Dear Chelsea, that is an advice podcast. This woman is truly like goals. She's doing everything and doing it her way. One question I got a lot actually when I did do a story

after I filmed the podcast with Chelsea. Tons of people were asking, how was she in person? What is she like in person? And I'm happy to say she is exactly what you think she would be. What you see is truly what you get. She is authentic, she is exactly what you think she would be. What you see is truly what you get. She is authentic, she is real, and I'm just really happy. It's really pleasantly surprised, happy to see that, because I've been a big fan for so long. I hope you enjoy listening to this podcast. I obviously enjoy doing it, and please leave a comment, share with your friends, tell your friends, and

like I said, I hope you enjoy. Of course, today on Habitson House, so we have Chelsea Hamler, who is in my opinion when the funniest ladies around. And I'm just so, I really am so grateful that you're here on this podcast because I was saying to you before you, I am such a fan of yours and comedy in general. So I guess the first question I have is nothing to do with this, is Dan taking any more patients at all

or because you talk about him a lot, like in your book, in your tour, he's been like a big, he's made such an impact in your life with therapy and then maybe he can help me or everybody else, I don't know. Yeah, Dan is my psychiatrist for those of you who are not familiar with Dan. And I don't believe he is taking any new patients

because I definitely think he did raise his rates because I remember I went back to him after and I was like, he goes, just so you know, I raised my rates and I was like, for me? And he said, no, no, no, not for you. I just want to let you know if you're referring to any more people to me. And he said, and by the way, I can't take any more new patients. So no, I don't think he does. He does currently

take new patients, but he gives great referrals for doctors in the area for when I have a friend in need and I kind of give him a little synopsis of what their situation is, whether it's a divorce or child related or whatever. And he will give me a good referral for them. So he's got a good network of other psychiatrists that he can refer me to. And he's part of UCLA, right? Like he's right here. He's part of everything.

He's everywhere, yeah. Well, I think you kind of put him on the map, though, because you know, you talk about him, like everything I've seen of late, of recently, it's been like, Dan, Dan, Dan, as if he's like your BFF over there. So, and he gives good advice. And, you know, I was like, maybe I should go see him.

So I wanted to ask you about that, but that has zero to do with anything else. But do you think that therapies actually helped or changed the way you do your work or evolved your comedy or has it played a part in it? Yes, absolutely. It's played a part in every part, like a facet of my life. I handle everything differently now.

I don't handle, I'm not, you know, I had a problem with impatience, impulsivity, irritability, you know, everyone annoyed the fucking shit out of me. And so he basically, you know, I went in, I think I saw him for about two years altogether and he, everything he said just clicked with my brain. He taught me in a linear way. So I was able to really kind of scoop up all the information.

And then you get all the information about why you act a certain way or why you do the things that you do. And then you have to learn how to apply them to your life. So it's not just a one step process. You get it, then you need to like, in my opinion, get away from your therapist for a few months after you've done the heavy lifting so that you can absorb all of the things that you learned.

And then the next step is applying it to your life on your own without being codependent with your therapist. You know, without calling Dan, I'm like, what do I do? You know, this guy won't call me back or I can't, I have to, you know, whatever, whatever my problem might be.

I never wanted to have a relationship like that. I remember going to my father's funeral and him telling me, if you need to, you can call me. And I thought, I looked at him like, I would never do that. I would never say to my brothers and sisters, I have to call my psychiatrist right now. Like it's not gonna come to that, ever.

So I wanted to practice that on my own, and then that's a whole other growth spurt that you have, because you know what to do, and you don't really know how to do it yet. So you kind of apply, you know, you take the best parts of your personality and carry them forward with you and try to kind of diminish the things that weren't working for you so much.

Right. Well, because you just why I'm really curious about this is because it's kind of a newer thing. Like you've been doing it for what a few years, two years, three years. Well, I did it for about two years. I haven't seen him on, you know, regularly or at all, probably in over a year or two years. But what made you even go that way? What made you decide do they want to even take that route and even do therapy? Because your life from the outside looking in was going really well. You're very successful, career wise, you're doing a ton of great things.

What was kind of a deathest in or what was the kind of reason what kind of prompted the whole behavior for that. Or the one we do it. I just was really angry. I got really angry. It was after the election that pissed me off in a big way. And I had something to hang my anger on, man, because then I could be mad at the Trumps and Ivanka's veneers and Donald Trump Jr.'s voice

and the fact that this man is able to even be in the White House. So that was kind of like my excuse for my anger. It became like, oh, that's what I'm epist about. And then with therapy, you uncover that, no, that's just a symptom. You are angry about something much deeper. You're sad about something much deeper because anger is really just covering up hurt and sadness. And then you unpack all of that in therapy

and realize, oh, I'm not mad at Donald Trump. Of course, I think he's a piece of garbage and a terrible person, but I don't, that's not where my anger stemmed from. Right, and so that was kind of like the impetus for doing it and then it kind of just took on a life of its own. Now, now I was just, like I said, I was super curious

because like that took you down, I feel like that took you down like another road and I'm not you. But like you're, it seemed like you're much, you're into like activism now and you've kind of like shifted a little bit. Like is that because of cancel culture as well? Like what's your view on that whole era of cancel culture and how now, whoa, being woke or, well you not woke and now you feel woke? Well, I mean therapy exposes like it gives you the gift of self-awareness. So it exposes all of the shortcomings in your personality, the inability to look around and understand that you are a, live a rarefied life, that you are entitled, that you are, you know,

you've grown accustomed to being entitled. That certainly was the case for me. You know, my career has been plentiful and I've done a bunch of different things, but it's never been that difficult for me to succeed. You know, when I wanted to quit one show, another show gave me a show. When I wanted to quit that show, I got another opportunity. You know, I got rewarded for my bad behavior a lot.

And I never looked at it, but at it, I just thought, oh, I must be super talented. It's not that simple. It's not just because of talent. It's because of opportunity. It's because of the color of your skin. It's because you were born in the right place with the right parents that could afford for you to kind of live out the American dream or fantasy or whatever that means to you.

For me, it meant, oh, I'm going to go to California, become a celebrity and live like this great life of leisure. And then, you know, there's no depth to that. That's a childhood dream and fantasy. So I was looking for more meaning and more depth. And when I got it, I just changed my attitude and my direction of the things that I'm going to do. When I did, whether it's writing another book

or doing my stand up, I'm on tour now on my vaccinated and a horny tour. It's like, now everything I do. I love that name, by the way. Yeah, well, I'm vaccinated and horny. So I had no other choice. But all of it, there's a message in it now. It's not just a vanity project.

Nothing is a vanity project. The last book that I wrote, life will be the death of me. We just sold to turn into a TV show with me starring in it. And that's got a message. That's got meaning. That's got heft. And everything I do now, and since I've been to therapy,

has a higher level of integrity in my opinion. And getting back on the road, like, you know, I did my last special was called Evolution on HBO Max. So I did that, and that was the story of my book. I was able to turn that book into the medium of standup. And I loved that. And that was kind of me coming back into standup. And now it's like, there's a little bit of like OG Chelsea.

Because now I'm like, all right, let's fucking get it out there now, especially in cancel culture, especially with everything that's going on. I have a ton to say about all of it. And I have a ton of opinions about everything. And so I like that therapy because I really didn't want to do stand up again. I didn't want to do a talk show again. I didn't want to write anymore books. I was just so burned out. And therapy kind of just brought me back to where I came from. By the way, I just want to say your book is amazing. I

actually thought you were actually write it? Because it sounds exactly like you. You know when you, a lot of times you read these books where people, celebrities do write a book. They try to sound like the person, but it sounded, I listened to the audible and it was, you were doing it, but it was as if I'm having a conversation. Everything was, and the stories, it was very honest and raw. Did you write the book yourself? Did you have a co-writer, like how does that?

No, I've written all of my books myself. I write all of my stand-up myself. I write all of my books myself. Yeah, no. So no ghost writer. No, no, no, no, no, not for me, no. Wow, it was, it was very, very good. Thank you.

No, you're welcome. And all the books have your name in it. All the shows have your, is that also intentional? The TV shows all have your name. The books all have your name. Well, it would be weird if I is that also intentional? The TV shows all have your name, the books all have your name. Well, it would be weird if I called it Latisha or something. No, but just, I feel like the shows have like Chelsea lately, the Chelsea handler show, you know what I mean?

Yeah, everything has Chelsea. Hello privilege. It's me Chelsea. Yes. Yeah, I mean, I think as for marketing and, you know, for buyers, they want your name on it. You know, I said, I remember with this last book, Life will be the death of me, which actually doesn't have my name on it. I said, I remember with this last book, Life will be the death of me, which actually doesn't have my name in it. But I remember saying, like, do we have to put my name in such huge letters on the cover? Like, can't we just get people that don't know me to read the book and then find out it's me? And, you know, my publicist or my publishing house was just like, no way,

like, you need your name for to center. That's the selling point. So, you know, it's part of that. It's part of, so everyone knows that it's from me and my brand. Yeah, well, you have such, like so much content, like six New York Times best sellers already. Like, I mean, where are you finding all the tickets? Because all of it is very much authentic to who you are. Like, how are you coming up with new content over and over and over again?

That doesn't feel old or like, oh, we've heard this already Chelsea, like, everything seems irreverent. Yeah, well, I mean, I think I'm just going through life sharing my story. Yeah. My, that book about therapy was because I had never been to therapy. And so I learned so much and absorbed so much.

I thought, oh, how many people will benefit from hearing this? My whole career has been about oversharing. If I'm sleeping around, I like to talk about that. If I'm getting wasted all the time, I like to talk about that. If I'm into cannabis, I like to talk about that. It's very true to who I am. And I think the people that are my ardent fans know that they can rely on me always for the truth. I'm never going to put something shiny on it and pretend that that's not who I, you know, pretend that I'm something I'm not.

So I, there's no lack of material when you're really being authentic and, you know, honest with yourself. And I'm very much into learning, growing, and adventure. So I'm always gathering material. I'm leaving for a vacation on Monday and I just thought, well, there's a book. That'll be a come a book before I even go because that's what always happens. I go on a trip or I have an experience and I think, oh, that's a great chapter for my next book.

I'm not writing my next book, but when I do, I have all these kinds of points of reference. I spent three and a half months in Whistler Canada this year during the height of COVID in LA. I'm Canadian, so that's, yeah. Are you? Oh, really from where? I'm from Winnipeg and in Toronto. Oh, I'm Canadian, so that's. Oh yeah, are you? Oh really from where? I'm from Winnipeg

and in Toronto. Oh, I'm performing both of those places. Yeah. Winni in Winnipeg. I haven't announced those dates yet, but it's part of the vaccinated and horny tour. We announced I think 30 dates, and then we announced the second half, which is all of Canada, because I will be going to Canada now every January through March. And so I'm performing those during that time. So I don't be during that time. You love skiing, right? And that makes a perfect sense. Yeah, but living in, like what I was saying

is spending three and a half months in Canada, that is a book. I have so many stories from that. During COVID, trying to hook up with men, Canadian men, the whole situation down here in the states and how everyone is, you know, learning about cancel culture and me too movement and how that kind of bleeds upwards to Canada, you know, because Canada is a lot more civilized than the states.

Much more. How do you find the guys different in Canada than they are here? There are a lot more, they let women lead. I would say Canadian men, one of their best gifts, is that they let women take charge. Right, right. And that indicates a level of intellect that is lacking in the States.

Or more like confident and more. I mean, because a lot of times, men can be, any country, by the way, men can be very intimidated and kind of put off by women who are super strong and powerful or it's much easier to go for the antithesis of that, right? So, but you don't seem to have a problem finding these men. Like, you seem to be doing okay.

Well, I mean, men like me, but it's hard to be in a relationship. They're very, yeah, men are intimidated by successful women who know what they want. I don't really put up with bullshit because I don't have to. I don't need someone. I'm not in a desperate state of mind.

I'm not dying to be in a relationship. If someone comes along, they're gonna be in addition to my life, not a subtraction. And I won't tolerate anything less than that, you know? Yeah, yeah. And I can have my friend was telling me she was trying to send me up with this guy in New York City once.

And I went on a date with him and I just said to her, I go, I don't know, this all feels very middle-aged. I said, he's super responsible. And you know, he didn't want me, he was worried about the way I was walking on the sidewalk, like I'd stepped into the street. And he was freaking out. I'm like, I don't think this is my vibe.

And she said, well, you are middle age. This is what's out there. And I said, no, no, no, no, that's where you have it wrong. That doesn't define me or who I'm going to be with. I'm going to be with somebody sexy and hot that I find sexy and hot. And that respects me and that understand and isn't intimidated by me.

And believe me, it is a struggle. I deal with it in my own family. I deal with it with men all the time. And the reaction can be, oh, we don't like her. She's so harsh or she's so loud. It's all, that to me is all noise about, oh, they don't like women who are assertive, who are going to be a strong as a man in a room.

And that's been the story of my life, so I'm used to it. So I'm very apt at weeding those people out. So then what is your type then? Like you normally gravitate or do... I know if everyone like 50 cent you did it, and you did the guy who was a president of I remember that like back when, I don't know how his personality is, but what do you normally gravitate to? What's the best? Is it more of a into your gang? Like more of us, a silent, strong silent type?

Is it more like out there and bigger than you bigger personality than you? It's different. And you know, if I look at all of my ex-boyfriends, there really isn't a type. It runs the gamut. So I don't have a type. I just have high standards of values, morals, ethics, all of that. I don't want to date anybody who's not on the same page in that regard.

Somebody who's not thinking about other people or who isn't empathetic or compassionate. Somebody who doesn't notice a dog, I'm not going to date. I don't like men that I don't trust that. But I don't have a type, I wish I did, it might be easier, but I definitely don't. Do you, how do you meet guys though, like besides your friends setting you up on a date in New York, I mean the middle age man,

but how else would you go and meet guys? It's just, you just, you know, I travel a lot, I meet guys a lot in other countries, a language barrier always works to my advantage. They're less offended and intimidated when they really don't understand what I'm saying. Older men love me, they like me, yes, but I'm not that into older men now that I'm 46. It's like, well, I'm not really going that much older. That was fun when I was 20 or 30, but I'm not about to like, you know, hook up

with a 66 year old on the fly. So, I mean So when I'm 66 maybe, but not right now. So I just, however, I don't worry about it is one thing. I mean, if I wanna hook up in a city, yeah, I'll go on an app and hook up. But if I wanna do it, I'm on Raya. You are on Raya? Yeah. Have you gone out with a lot of guys from there?

Yeah, hooked up with a lot of guys on Raya for sure. And dated a few, yeah. Do you have like your name and your face on there? Yeah, yeah, I mean I do it, you know, it's very seasonally like if I'm not dating somebody right right It's very seasonal if I'm not dating somebody so I will go if I'm gonna be in New York for the weekend You know like stuff like that But yeah, sure. I have no problem with that. I mean, I'm not gonna pretend to hide who I am Yeah, that is probably me exactly I'm not going to pretend to hide who I am. Yeah. That is part of me.

Exactly. And then getting back to my whole thing. So I was going to ask you two things, and I went in a tangent. Number one, obviously you are very confident, and you believed in yourself, and you had privilege and all that. But you moved out here.

Was that innate? Did you have to work on it? Were you always funny? Were you always this confident? Or because you had all these little wins, it kind of built on your confidence and built on your confidence? I mean, I saw you were adorable as you still are,

but I'm saying like you were pretty, you were blonde, you had, like how did that kind of evolve? You just were born this way, super confident, super, I can do what I'm going to move in myself and things just work out for you. Well, I don't know. I mean, when you go to therapy, you do learn that you have huge experience, like, you know, the seminal moment in my life was my brother dying. And then that begs the question, is your whole life a reaction to that traumatic event? Because that shaped you. So much, I was a nine year old girl.

I couldn't articulate my pain. My family was not able to work together in a healthy way. Like, we didn't go to therapy. We didn't go to grief counseling. We just kind of retreated to our own corners of wherever we were in the world. My five other brothers and sisters and myself and my parents. And, you know, I had to get, I got tough very young. Like, I didn't like seeing my parents in that kind of pain.

I didn't like seeing my family in that kind of pain. And I was like, you know, I was in charge of the funny and distraction and deflection. And I took that on, I think, at a very early age. I don't know if that know if my brother had inside, if that would definitely have been my personality. I think you're born with a personality. I'm the youngest of six kids. So my sister says I was like this when I came out.

When I was three, I was just like, do you guys have a savings account? Like to my parents, what's the plan here? We have too many children. What's the deal? And my father was a used car dealer. I was like, this doesn't sound kosher. You know, I was very much an adult early on. Right.

And I had a lot of misplaced confidence. Yeah, I believed in myself. And I just knew, I just had a gut feeling that if I really stuck to it it and I tried and tried and tried that I would get somewhere in this business. And I always believe in myself, like I always bet on myself because I know that I will I've been through so many excruciatingly nerve wracking experiences that I know that I can handle that. And so that instills a lot more confidence as an adult. But there was a

period I would say after therapy when you kind of unveil yourself and you I get the gift of self-awareness. You're hot, I'm so sorry. No, it's okay, honey. I, when you get the gift of self-awareness, there is a period of self-consciousness because that I had an experience. There was a period of self-doubt where I was like, oh my god, am I this terrible? Have I been this terrible? It's for so long. How have I been perceived? You kind of beat yourself up a little when you take a look at yourself. There was a was a period I think for about two years between my last or you know my Netflix show and leaving that. I just wasn't I wasn't myself and I that was you know when I went to therapy and and then I got those answers and you start to question everything you've ever done and then

you come around and realize all right I got this now. Like I got myself back, I have my confidence back, I'm, I believe in myself. So I have experience not, not being confident. And I don't like that. No, no, I don't blame you, right? But... Vitamin water just dropped a new zero sugar flavor called with love. Get the taste of raspberry and dark chocolate for the all warm, all fuzzy, all self-care, zero self-doubt you. Grab a with love today. Vitamin water's zero sugar, nourish every you.

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And then you kind of just kind of got into a groove or. I think I just honestly wanted to be famous. I wanted attention and I, because I got, after my brother died, it was all about not getting the negative kind of attention. I didn't want pity. I didn't want people saying, oh my God, your brother, I hated that.

And I wanted to just completely change the narrative. So that became the reason that I wanted to move to Hollywood. And I don't know if I wanted to be a stand up, no. I wanted to be famous for what I just thought I had opinions that people would be interested in hearing. I valued my own opinion more than most people did. And I came to California and I waited tables and I lived with my aunt and uncle on Beverly Glen

and they had nine children and I was basically their driver for all the kids and I would take them to school every morning listening to Howard Stern in a minivan. And I waited tables and then I would audition and acting was never gonna be my first love because those are other people's words. And so when I found out about stand up and really understood

that you can get up there and say whatever you want, then I had to get past the fear of getting up there and doing it for the first time, which it didn't go badly for probably six months. Because I think if it had, I probably would have chickened out and given up. I didn't start bombing until I was six months in. So I was already hooked.

And then I had a couple of really bad experiences and where I couldn't hold my own on stage or I had to learn what most people go through when they begin to stand up. So yeah, I experienced that for sure. What was your big break? What was that kind of took you on this trajectory? Well, I think I had a show called Girls Behaving Badly on the Oxygen Network, which was like a

hidden camera show, and it was pretty popular. It wasn't like, it wasn't widely known, but it had had had like a niche following. And then I got a, I kept getting developments yields like NBC, or Touchstone, or ABC, you know, they would attach you with writers to develop a sitcom for you. And then I got the Chelsea Handler Show, which was on E, which was the prelude to Chelsea lately. And that was like, I did one season of that, and that didn't do very well, and it was a sketch show. But they loved me, and they thought,

oh, maybe you should just be yourself and do like a nightly talk show, which was something that I had never really ever thought about doing. And so they just kind of created that show around me. And I would say that the benefit of being a standup comedian is that that's how it works. You're not being plugged into a role.

People are creating things around you. Right. And your point of view. So you kind of are, you know, you're the boss. And I liked that a lot. And so then I did that show for seven or eight years. I'm not really sure how long that went on, but I've heard seven and I've heard eight years. So I did that and then I'm not sure. And then no, not sure. I have no sense of time. And, you know, and then I got bored of that. So then when you get bored, you just decide, okay, I'm not gonna do this anymore.

Normally people have one show and that's the biggest thing in their life, right? You just walk away, like, yeah, I don't like it anymore. You didn't talent booking, you stay out, you're sick of that. But then you started a new show, so you quit one, but then you end up going on to another. Well, I wanted to do something

that was a little bit smarter. And I didn't think that I could do that at E. I, you know, E kept saying, stay here, do this. And I was like, I don't think this show is one thing. Right. I need to move on and do another thing. And I went to Netflix before anyone went to Netflix. Yeah, I remember.

So, a Netflix to me was just like the coolest kid at lunch. You know, I was like, oh, that's where the cool kids are. Let me go there. I had, you know, grown out groany. Yeah. And they were gonna. I had, you know, grown out groany. Yeah. And they were going to let me do my documentary series, which I did. Chelsea does, which was like, I got to go do Iowaska in front of you.

And I got to do all these fun things. And then I did two years of my talk show, which wasn't a big hit. And it wasn't? No, no, I don't think so. I mean, at the end of it, it was basically like, we just both sat down and I'm like, I was at the end of my rope with the politics and it was just kind of taking over and it was when I was starting therapy and they were like, you can do the show, you know, it was, it was basically a mutual

understanding. Right. That the streaming platform wasn't the place for that kind of show. And my energy wasn't right at that time in my life for that kind of show. I mean, then David Letterman did his on there. Did that one do well? I think his does well. Yeah, I think his does well. I don't know. Netflix tells you the ratings when it suits them, not when it suits anyone else.

And they don't really, nobody seems to everyone I know who has shows on there. No one really knows anything. They're just kind of, they think, I think it's around this. I think I'm doing okay. No, you have no idea. I mean, why? I don't understand. I don't know because it gives, I think maybe because it okay. No, you have no idea. I mean, why? I don't understand. I don't know, because I think maybe,

because it gives them negotiating power, you know? That way when they renew something and it's a success, they don't have to pay you out they ask. Yeah, that's true. You don't know that it's doing that well. But I mean, you know, when something's a hit, you know it's a hit. Right.

People are talking about it. And so then I'd stop that. And then I wanted to take a year off to do campaigning and stuff, but I ended up doing another documentary for Netflix because I had that deal. All right. With them still and I said, you know what I'd rather do, I said, let me go do a documentary on White privilege. And they were like, please don't. And then I did it anyway and that was great.

I loved that. That did well. Yeah, that I know for sure did well. And then I got to do my, and then I think the next thing television wise was probably HBO Max my evolution evolution. I love that. And by the way, I love that little white jumpsuit you wore too. Thank you. I was like to wear white when I'm about to get my period so that men can enjoy it just as much as we do. Well, I mean, you didn't get what from what I saw when I watched it, you were okay, you didn't get it. But anyway, I'm digressing.

That ayahuasca doc that rolled, the one the segment that you did for your documentary, I feel like because of you, it put it on the map yet again for mainstream. Like I got invited to go to this place called Rhythmia. Have you heard of this place? Rhythmia in Costa Rica. Oh, okay.

It's an ayahuasca retreat for like a week. And I was kinda, the only reason why I did I took my sister with me is because of you. Because everyone around us, or like in the air, we're talking about ayahuasca because everyone saw that piece you did on your documentary of it. So everyone was curious.

I went and I was Stone Cold sober. It did nothing for me. It was unbelievable. Yeah. And everyone else around me was like, you know, they're like, they're like, shitting in their pants and they're like vomiting.

And I was like, stone-cooled sober. And I was thinking about you. I was like, well, because it didn't hit me the first night either. I heard that in the second night, it's dead. So that's the thing. I don't think I took enough. Did you prepare, yeah, no, you probably didn't.

Did you prepare for it, the diet and everything? So yeah, not before. So what happens in this place, you basically go for like a week and they do all this stuff. They do like the end like they do those like edemis or what when they shove like a two bus about yeah, like colonics.

Yes, thank you. And then they also they give you a vegan diet. You can't have any meat to do that. So for two days and then like you do the serum, I hate that word serum. Yeah, I know. Honestly, yeah, it's like, during is that really wish we could come up

with a replacement word for churning. Oh, me too. And manifest and gratitude. Yeah, yeah, know, honestly. It's like, yeah, it's like, it's like, you're in, is that? I really wish we could come up with a replacement word for churning. Oh, me too, and manifest and gratitude. Like, just like, inside jokes and me and my friends. And then, then you do this, these four nights where you're, you're basically stuck in a room with a bunch of strangers for 12 hours. And so, and like every night,

there's a different kind of ayahuasca with a different shaman. And people there, I mean, when you're stone cold sober and you have a bunch of strangers around you like shitting and vomiting in your face, it's very, very hard to stomach for four nights, but in a row. And now literally, I don't know why it did not work.

And I took two cups. Isn't that what most people take? Yeah, but it's, I mean, physiologically, you don't really know what is gonna work for you. You know, we're also different. It's the same thing with edibles. Like, you know, some people, like, it's hit my friends too.

In that special, my friends, the first night got hit so hard from it, and I didn't at all. But I was also looking after them, so that like brought me back down to reality. But the second night when it hit me, it was very much, I was in control of my thoughts and my feeling. It was very aware.

I never got lost or felt out of control. It was all very, are you done now? If I was done, I could stop the ceremony, go downstairs, you know, have a cocktail with my crew and tell them everything that just happened. So it wasn't one of those drugs, but it was also one of the most meaningful experiences that I've had on drugs because or with a drug I should say because it just, it was an, you know, you see your life from this 20,000 foot view and you're not

in it, but you see you. And everything you see is a memory that you've had. So I saw this whole montage of my sister and I running along the beach in Martha's Vineyard where we grew up. She was wearing her bathing suit from when she was nine and I was wearing the bathing suit I wore when I was four and we were in kayaks and we were tipping each other over and laughing and there was like this giggling off the water and I just remember all of these memories and then our dog from childhood ran by and I was like, oh, that's our real dog. Like you're watching your, if this kind of iPod shuffle of your life,

play out before you. That's a good way of putting it, too. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. Would you do it again? Have you done it again since? I haven't, I mean, I don't have a desire really to do it again. I did throw up and I hate vomiting.

But I mean, I would do it again. I mean, I'm open to pretty much anything. I got so much out of it, I would hate to have another experience that took away from that. So that's exactly how I feel the opposite. Like because I had such a non-experience, I don't even wanna do it again. Yeah.

Like ruin that thing. But how do you find it was different than doing like mushrooms or anything else that you've done? Well mushrooms is just more like, you can have visual, there's visuals, but mushrooms are also really laughing and really fun and social, right? Like you're with a group and you can,

I mean, that's the way I've done mushrooms. Now they do psilocybin dosing, which is different and guided. So it's micro dosing or, you know, a guided mushroom journey. But I, it was definitely way more spiritual than anything I've ever done. Way more spiritual. It was about my life and there was a voice in my head and it was about my sister and it was, you know, this voice just kept saying be kinder to your sister. She's not you because I always wanted more for my sister. I wanted her to want more. Right. I wanted her not to want to live in suburbia and why don't you want to, you know, work and why don't you have the ambition and and and it was like because she's not me and by the way,

you're not right either. Why do you think your way is the right way? And so my whole experience was about my sister Shashana. And that's her name, that's my Hebrew name. Oh, is it? Yeah, well, that's also her Hebrew name. Obviously. So she had, I didn't tell her when I came home, but it was all about being kinder and more patient

with her that were, I have more memories with her than anyone in my life and that's what all the scenes playing out in the beach were. It was a reminder like she was the first person I held hands with. She's the person that I'll always be holding hands with. You know, we shared more together than we'll ever share apart. Right. And I'd ever told her right away,

but she saw when the documentary came out, Chelsea does drugs and she saw it and she saw me talking about her in the documentary. She's like, oh my God, this is so crazy because you've totally changed in the last six months and I didn't know how or why until I saw this and realized, yeah, you did shape, like, you know, she didn't notice it until I said it,

because of course I was too proud, prideful to call her up and be like, sorry for our whole lives, our whole lives. Sorry for being a bully, our whole lives, and now always pushing you to do more, and you know, you're not me, and I'm not you, and you should do what you want, and I should always support that. Are you guys close now? Oh yeah, me and my whole family and I are pretty close. Right, well you make fun of them so fun. I was like so funny, but you're a dad now. I mean, even in this circumstance, you still say things that are so funny.

I'm telling you, everyone, you have to just get this book, by the way, and of course go see your tour, vaccinated and horny, but that book, I'm telling you, it spoke to me, just in terms of even your deficiencies. I'm like, this is like, you're speaking my language, speaking me. I really, like I said, I really liked it. Thank you.

You're welcome. So, let's go back to then your career stuff since people are going to want to me to ask these questions. So have you ever had, have you ever bombed on stage? Have you ever had something that's very severe? I know that maybe some projects didn't work out and you said goodbye neutrally. But has there ever been a situation where it's been like, you know, on stage,

where like the audience wasn't really like, like they didn't receive or light for you? Yeah, of course, of course, I've had that. I performed at the Montreal Comedy Festival when I was, who knows, I have no sense of time again. I'm sorry, I don't know dates or terms. Oh, just for laughs? Did you do the just for laughs?

And I bombed. And I was supposed to be the hot ticket, the hot new girl. I was like 25 or something, 26. And I bombed badly in front of every executive that was there. Oh, my god. Then I, and I was crushed. I just sat in my hotel room and just cried and cried and cried. And then on that, that was like a Saturday night.

And on that Monday, on that Tuesday, my manager said, there were two executives that weren't there. We're gonna put you up at Luna Park to do your set again. And I went and killed it. And then I got my first development deal with NBC. And that was 72 hours after the worst night of my life. You know, my whole life changed. It was bad. And then it was amazing.

So I like to tell that story because, you know, everybody goes through something and they think, this is it, you know, we're so solipsistic in our own experiences. We think, oh, my whole world is over. My whole world is this. My whole world is crushed and it's like, no, it's isn't. It never is, you know, everything is world is crushed. And it's like, no, it's isn't. It never is.

Everything is temporary. Everything. And that's a good example of how quickly things can change. It's true. It's about changing your mindset. So you're always strong and willful. But when you had those things, even at the beginning of your career, that, or even when you're

going from show to show, I'm sure there were times when you failed at something, but you had the resilience to not let that affect you. To not be a victim. To not be a victim. To not go, well, why can't I get anything? I mean, I've been that. I've done that in my 20s. I remember sitting on the phone with my sister Simone,

and I was probably 24 years old and I was like, am I ever gonna make it? What if I don't make it? What if I'm waiting tables for the next 20 years of my life? And she's like, you're gonna make it. You're gonna, you are. There's nothing else you can do. This is what you're supposed to do.

This is what your purpose is, is to entertain and spread joy and laughter. And I was on the phone with her and on my other phone ring and I had gotten my first TV guest appearance on the show, The Practice. Remember that show? Of course. Dylan McDerman and Laura Fugin.

I still love that show. Yeah, I played a rake victim and I was like, oh my God, and as she and I were having this conversation, I got that phone call. And I remember clicking over, I'm like, oh my God, Modi, Modi, like I just got a thing. And she's like, see, that phone call. And I remember clicking over, I'm like, oh my God, Modi, Modi, like I just got a thing. And she's like, see, it's happening. It's already happening. And, and yeah, so I, there are times where I had been like, why, why me? Why

can't I get this? And why is this person doing better? And that's a victim mentality. Yeah. You know, comparing yourself to others is no way to live your life. It's hard to do because we're all living in this time. Yes. And obviously there are elements that are hard to avoid. But I think the one thing you always have to realize is like no one has what you have. You have a special thing that no one does. And that's not a competition. That's just how are you going to express yourself and how are you going to be cool about getting your message out there and about bringing people along with you. When I did Chelsea lately, all those people have careers now.

Fortune Feamster, Joe Koei, Kevin Hart, Tiffany Haddish, those people were all on my show on the regular, on the roundtable. And because I had no problem sharing my spotlight. And that's the message, I think, for everyone. It's like stop trying to grab and start sharing. Stop, it's not just about you succeeding. It's not a zero-sum game.

If you can bring people along with your success, then all the ships rise with the tide. It doesn't matter what, that's the way to be. And so that was a great opportunity for me. It wasn't even intentional, it was just natural, but now that I get to see their success, it makes me so emotional because I did have a hand in it. I did want to make sure that somebody like Tiffany Haddish, who wasn't represented on TV at that time,

who had a dirty foul mouth was gonna get away with that just the same way that I was getting away with it. Right. You did, I remember that now. That's true. All of those people came from that show. So how are you able to, I know, especially in Hollywood and entertainment,

there's so many cooks in the kitchen, right? They're like, they try to take, they like you for who you are, and then when the second that they sign, you reduce something, they wanna tweak and change you or put you where you don't belong. And you see it all the time in the music world, too, someone who's a real talent, and then they make them a pop star

and give them some stupid song to do. How did you stay so true to who you are and have such control in an environment where it doesn't lend itself to that. I just don't respect men. You know, I mean, when men were telling me what to do, I would just tell them to go fuck themselves.

But they didn't fire you for that. No, they actually respected me for it. I mean, yeah, it didn't always work out. I've had some tricky relationships with some bosses. Not the one I dated, obviously. Well, that got tricky in the end when I broke up with him. But they had that go. Like, were you dating him before it started

or after, how did that whole thing happen? No, it was after Chelsea. Well, I did the Chelsea Hamlet show and then Chelsea lately started and he was very hands-on in that. Okay. So it was probably like, I don't know, I don't know, remember the timing,

but it was definitely up and running. Okay. And then he and I were spending lots of time together and he was going through a divorce. So it was just, you know, kind of like verboten, but I was like, who gives a shit? This is how you meet people at work, you know? It's true.

And so we had a nice four year run and then that ended badly, but we're still friends. He emailed me the other day. And what was the question? I don't know. No, like And what was the question? I know. No, I said, how did you kind of call that with God with men? Yeah. Because normally people have to like, you know, it happened with me and everybody else.

Like, you say, you could be a strong personality, but you don't want to lose that opportunity. So then you kind of then acclimate to what is necessary. And it just, it like derails actually your career in the end, right? Yeah. Well, I mean, there have been times where it's hurt me for sure. just it like derails actually your career in the end. Right? Yeah. Well, I mean, there have been times where it's hurt me for sure, but there's been times more times where it's helped me. And I've always just stuck to my guns

and not let somebody dictate how I'm going to behave. There's constructive criticism, and then there's letting artists and creatives be themselves without giving too many notes. Your notes should be enhancing a performer, not taking away. It's just like a relationship. What are you bringing in the table that I haven't thought of that's going to enhance this show, this experience, this performance? My agent, my comedy agent, Nick Nusaforo at UTA, he gave me notes on my last show, my special about it because it

was an Accinated One or? No, no, no, my first, when I was shooting evolution for HBO Max. And I respect him. And he gave me great notes. And then that becomes more of a collaboration. But when men are just telling you things to tell you things or give you notes to give you notes, I don't mind that kind of confrontation of saying, no, I don't like that.

I don't feel comfortable with that. That's not what I wanna do creatively. And I've, I always, I always, I mean, when you're, I'm talking more when you're not, like right now you're Chelsea Handler, you're like, no, I did this when I was not established. That was my question.

And I had to be honest at that time, the people that were the hardest to get through were women. Women, I agree too. I had to be honest, at that time, the people that were the hardest to get through were women. Women. I agree, too. I thought it was difficult for me to succeed. They would stop me. I remember this woman who worked at E.

It was like, she doesn't deserve her own show. She's not funny enough. She's too pretty. That's what she said. I'm too pretty. What the fuck does that mean? Yeah. And I remember not wearing, I would remember never,

I was always playing down like my looks and putting my hair back and not wearing makeup and wearing like tomboyish clothes and never looking feminine on stage because I didn't want other women to be intimidated by me or jealous of me. And I was like, you know, that got in my head. And I've had so many women kind of thwart my success or try to, whereas, you know, and now we're in a different time

because women understand that we didn't need to be pitted against each other in this way. Right, some people, some women. I mean, I don't think it's a clean slate either way. No, no, of course not. It never is. It never is. I don't think it was all men.

I think to your point, I had a lot of issues with actually women, not men a lot of times because they're threatened or in their eyes, they're intimidated or whatever the stupid nonsense is. So I'm not saying it was men or women. I'm just saying in general, when you're in a position where you have less power and yet you still are like you're on the rise and then that's when they started tweeting to change your career. But you were able right away to, you kind of felt like you had the gumption to still stick up for yourself. You've been thinking about that. Yeah, I mean, I believe in myself and I know like,

if it's not true and it's not authentic, people see through that very quickly. So, you have to be clear about what you're after and what you're doing and what your point of view is, especially as a comedian, you can't fake that. Right, no, I absolutely. Because there's so many people who rip off comics and you're like, you're not authentic, that's not how you feel.

You're ripping me off or you're ripping some other woman off. And it's almost like a stick. And I'm not doing a stick. Right. That's what's actually kind of, you actually are who you are. I mean, even just talking to you, like you're not any different, even when you walk into my house and this podcast that I see you on the stage,

or like you really are the same person everywhere. It's amazing. I do, who do you think is a really good comic or did you when you were kind of going up the ranks? Who do you think is a really good comic or did you when you were kind of going up the ranks? Who do you think is really good? I mean, in general, or just comics. How long is awesome, she's great.

She's great. Really sharp. We were doing Sheppel's thing in Yellow Springs and she was there the same time I was and I was just blown away at her performance. Sarah Silverman is a really close friend of mine and she's were totally different styles. And she's really smart. I respect that a lot. And then there's a lot of people that are up and coming like everyone who opens for me

on this tour is a person of color, you know, woman of color. Oh, it's a Gonzalez just opened for me at the Santa Barbara Bowl. And I just, yeah, because, you know, we have to give the stage time now to people of color who did get that stage time. Right. We want to put them in front of audiences of 3,000 and 2,000 people and let them get, you know, the same amount of opportunity that we all did. So that's another way that I can be of aid and help bring people into the light instead of just, you know, using some same opener for 60 shows. Like it's just not, you know. Who did you use back then, like back?

I would use the people on my show. You know, on the cast stuff. Yeah. Somebody would come with me every weekend and I would just rotate it. And so they would fight over it all week long. I put up my stand-up dates and they'd sign up. But then I was just feeding my own group of people again looking back at that.

That was an opportunity for me to go get other people that weren't on my show to open for me instead of giving the people who were already getting airtime on my show on a weekly basis, stage time. You know, you wanna spread the love even more. And so, yeah. So then, you also said they're doing this, you're making the book into a TV show now, but it's not gonna be a, it's gonna be more of an app.

It's scripted show. Yeah, is it, where is it gonna be on now? Well, no, I can't say, because we're right now negotiating. Oh, sorry. Well, I have a deal at Universal, a production deal, because I produce TV shows with my company. And then we are, we just are just took it out.

And yeah, we're negotiating with a couple of people. So we'll see. And you're going to be acting in it, as you, as yourself. And it's going to be my whole kind of, it's almost like a curb. Oh, my gosh. But with therapy and my whole kind of, it's almost like a curb. Oh my gosh. But with therapy and my whole story from my book, the concept of two steps forward and 18 steps back and trying to get better at being less of a cunt

and always failing and sometimes very rarely succeeding. Oh my God, I love this. Who's going to play Dan and everybody, give any cast to people? No, no, no, no. We have to, we're a little bit far away from that. But we just, it's just. So how long will it, we have to. We're a little bit far away from that, but we just, it's just how long will it take you think to get it,

like from now to on air? Oh, I don't know. May, it could be, I mean, you, these things, even negotiating a deal can take six months. So, it could be six months, it could be two years, but hopefully the sooner the better. That's such a great concept though. I mean, you would be perfect to do that though.

Yeah, that's so exciting. That's so exciting about that. I've got a great writer, Liz Ticcillo, from Sex and the City, and she and I have been developing this for a while, so it's pretty exciting to go out to buyers and to get people already excited about it. And I think that's the next thing for me on TV. What else are you doing?

Who's that? I'm doing my podcast, Dear Chelsea, which is an advice podcast, which people call in, and I give advice, which has been so much fun, way more fun. I thought it was, well, I mean, sometimes it gets pretty serious, too, but I absorbed so much of what Dan told me and said, and I absorbed so much when I hear anything.

And I've read so many books on self-help and therapy now that I was like, I miss Dear Abby, I miss that. I miss having like being, because that's who I am than all of my relationships. I'm the big strong sister that's gonna be like, no, no, no, I'm gonna take care of this. This is what you're happy. I miss that. I miss having like being, because that's who I am than all of my relationships. I'm the big strong sister that's going to be like, no, no, no, I'm going to take care of this. This is what you're going to do. You're going to break up with that guy. You're going to leave that job. You're not going to talk to your mother until she apologizes to you for being upset that you're transitioning. You know, like all of these things, I have

a greater, I have greater insight now because of my time with Dan. So, yeah, so that's turned into really fun podcast. People call in with really serious problems. We also have idiots that call in and say things like, I'm microdosing cocaine at work. Is that a problem because I'm being super productive? And you're like, first of all, there's no microdosing cocaine.

That's not a thing. I was gonna say, well, maybe there will be those soon. I mean, I feel like every couple of years something else happens, but aren't you microdosing weed all the time? That all the time. Are you right now? Are you like, no, I didn't today.

How are you not like a thousand pounds though? Because whenever I'm like microdosing or not, I'm starving and have to eat all the time. Yeah, well, there's a strain called THCV, which is kind of an appetite suppressant, it works at. It works as an appetite suppressant. So it's good to get that, but I hear what you're saying about the munchies. I mean, I couldn't agree more, like we need more, the problem with the cannabis industries

that men have been in charge for so long, so they don't care about the munchies. Right. You know, now that we have some more more female founded companies, we can start putting THCV in things to say, hey, this is so you don't have to pick out every time you get high. But something I do that works is I always, not always, but if I don't want to eat, you know, if I take an edible or smoke a joint, I make sure it's right before a meal

so that I'm having it when I'm supposed to. And I also say to myself, don't be a fucking pig. Like, you're just getting high and don't ruin it by just overeating. Like self talks yourself before you do it. Yeah, you've got to set your intention like any drug. Yeah, totally true. You would be like, I want to have a good time, I want to have a good experience.

And that actually works like an hour to into it. Like you don't do it. It does for me. I mean, if you're strong will, it does. Like I have a system for myself and I set myself up for success. I don't want cannabis to do me. I like to do cannabis. And do you have a line of it though? No, I don't. I don't. We've been working on it for a couple of years, but nothing to announce yet. No. Things have fallen through the cracks

and it's just been. Right. It's been a really like hard road. So yeah, it's hard to get this going. Why is it so hard? I feel like everybody in their dog is coming up with some hype of it. Because it's all men. It is all men. And, you know, it's just been a long, we've had deals then they've fallen through or something's wrong with this investor and we can't use his money. It's just all of those kinds of things.

So unfortunately, I don't have anything on that front to announce. You know, I'm gonna make a note. My first cousin is the chairman of a company called Chronos. I mean, I don't care if anyone else does. Do you know what that is? It's a very big, I guess, weed company. They're buying and acquiring all these brands.

Oh, really? You should talk to him. Because he's doing deals with lots of people. Oh, really? Yeah. Great. Chronos. Yes, his name's Mike, Hi, Mikey. And I'm going to introduce you to him.

Okay. I thought you may have even had a conversation, maybe someone had a conversation with him, but you do microdose mushrooms in or no? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that too. So what's the difference? Like what do you get from that, from weed versus mushrooms on the microdosing?

I'm just like very curious. You mentioned this now. I'm microdosing, weed is like, I just chills me out. Like it just softens the edges. Like I take it out of bowl, I find people a little bit more tolerable. I find people a little bit less annoying. Microdosing mushrooms is more as an upper.

It's like, up, up, up, up, up. You can find that for weed too, but that's not what I use it for. I use weed to relax, to sleep at night. So rather than take a sleeping pill, or if I'm traveling, I like that. But mushrooms are like, that's if you want to be really productive for me. Like I like to microdose in the morning or go skiing or write or be outside in nature

and do something. And it just gives you a little bit of an upper and like a kick and you're happy. Okay, well that's okay. So most of the time when you do the weed though, because that's your big thing for you, right? Anyway, I have a couple other questions and I know I wanna be respectful of your time. I don't know how long we have, how long we have.

Thank you. I have to just be home by 130. So it's 108 and I'm only 10 minutes away. Oh, you're 10 minutes away, okay. Well 12 minutes away, to be exact. 12, okay, so I'm, I'll, let me just think of like, oh, you did say also, now we're talking about the whole weed and mushrooms

It you are a farm what is it called farm ecological into yeah, is that like a real thing? Or did you make that name up? No, I mean I mean I mean a farm ecological intuitive I like to prescribe drugs to people and myself really yeah, like I like to I just Assess the situation and then tell people because some people can't don't respond to weed right right they can't do it So and some people can't, don't respond to weed. Right, right, right. They can't do it. And some people can. And I like people to be supportive and interested in it. Yeah.

So I don't like to scare people off too much. So I like, I really do know how to dose people in the right way. Like if somebody, like my sister doesn't do a lot of drugs, she doesn't drink. So I always give her like a little mint that's two and a half milligrams. And that hits her just right.

My brother can handle 10 to 15 milligrams in one sitting. There's different types of personalities, people who are nervous about drugs or nervous about cannabis because they've had a bad experience in the past about it. Those people you have to be delicate with. Because you want it to be an entry point where people are going to come back and be great.

And be like, oh, I trust this source or this works. You don't want to scare people off, you know, and now that there's this educative component that's been missing for so many years, it's everything's labeled. You can see everything you're taking. Absolutely. So there's nothing to be scared of. But you're also good. Like when in your, an evolution on HBO Max and in your book and in everything else who talk about you can look at someone and say

Okay, you have like psoriasis. You should be taking this you should be doing that. Yeah, that's it Like prescribed medication to people. Well, I tell them what I think they should take and if I have extra I'll give it to them but I yeah, I'm not like a legitimate doctor No, I know you know, I just don't like yeah, yeah, I always have to say that because people will be like you know They can go back and do what I say and they'll be like I took three doxycycline and an empty stomach and vomited for three days like my friend had a bad my make-bar is one time really bad acne I'm like, you know what that's good for I was like you take two doxycycline for 10 days and you will not have any more acne And she did it

I gave it to her and her whole skin cleared up so but you can't doxycyc cycling is very, you know, it's strong, so you have to take that. Is that a form of penicillin? I don't know if it's a form of penicillin. I know it's a form of colleges, but I mean. I just play one on TV. On hotcasts or on social media. On social media, exactly. And you've really leaned into your social media too.

I mean, like, I feel like a lot of, I mean, because we're like in our 40s and I feel like it's more of a, I feel like a lot of, I mean, because we're in our 40s and I feel like, it's more of a, I hate it. Like I have to kind of just not have that attitude because it makes it even worse. Yeah, you have to embrace it. Yeah, you have to embrace it.

You have to lean into it and just understand, it's part of the process now. And the attitude alone will help you digest it and do it more fruitfully. Exactly. Once I got my head around it and I was like, okay, this is what people are doing. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it my way.

And I'm going to be in a good mood about it. It changes it. It changes it for you. Absolutely. And it's so true because the second you shift that again in your brain, you do your whole how you deal with it is much different. And it kind of comes through better. At Carvana, we're in the business of comes through better. one within your budget and you won't get surprised with any bogus fees. Visit carbona.com or download the app to shop for a vehicle.

Carvana, we'll drive you happy. Availability may vary by market. I have to ask you because it's called habits and hustle. All your habits. Like what do you do? Like what time do you wake up in the morning? What are your daily habits to be productive, to be you? What do you eat?

I know you exercise with Ben Bruno, right? Because I always watch those funny little segments. Yeah, yeah. You still exercise with him on your show? Yeah, I worked out with him this morning. I usually see him first thing in the morning. I wake up at like six. Every day?

Do you work out? Yeah. Well, when I'm in Los Angeles, for sure. I wake up every day. I wake up pretty early at six. And then I read the paper in the New York Times. And the actual paper are like online paper. No, the actual paper.

And then I, I, I, I take all these supplements, you know, all this, I have a nutritionist, I have all these pills that I have to take, all this anti-aging stuff. What are you taking? Oh my God, everything like from metformin topills to peptides that I inject in the morning. Do they work for you? Yeah, totally. Which ones are you on?

DCP and then CJC at night. You do CJC and would you think it does for you? I'm not sure what anything does because I do so many things. Who knows what the fuck's working? All I know is that it's working. And so I do it all. I take NAD, NAD treatments. Do you take shrewniogen?

Which is, no. I don't know what you're gonna take. That's the NAD precursor. So it makes your body make its own. Oh, well, I get a shot of it once a week and then I supplement it with the two of the pills. So I don't know who makes the pills. Oh, it's just, it's called NMN actually.

Oh, you do NMN. NMN pills and then the NAD shot. Because the NMN is a bigger molecule, so it doesn't get into your bloodstream as fast. But that's a whole other scientific question. Which pills, do you know the brand? No, not a found, I don't. So you get an NAD shot, you do two peptides. I do a morning peptide, I do a night peptide.

I usually take a metaphor when I'm going to bed because sometimes I can make you a little bit queasy. So I do that and I'm always on a full stomach. I take hairpills. I... Nice hair though. Well thanks. I do...

You do testosterone cream. I saw that in your evolution. You know, I don't take that anymore because that made my hair fall out. It did make your hair fall out. It made my hair thin. And I'm a blonde, so I can't have for it. I have to be any thinner. But you know what I just started doing is Harliniken?

You know that? This is a hair growth company. You go in and they assess your scalp and then they give you all of these shampoos and this kind of serum to put in your hair every night. It's a huge pain in the ass. There's a lot of steps, but I started doing that like two weeks ago and I can already notice a difference. Really?

Yeah, but you have great thick hair, so you don't have to worry about that. But for people who don't, I'm sure it's super expensive. I know I do how much I call this, but I'm doing that right now, too. Okay, we heard that's the good though. Thank you. So you do okay, so the hair thing,

the all the supplements, okay, what else did you say? You said something else. What else do I take? Vitamin D, I hair thing, all the supplements, what else did you say? You said something else. What else do I take? Vitamin D, I take iron, I take zinc, I take all of the stuff. And you have a nutritionist, you have. Yeah, I have a nutritionist that I've been working for for like 20, 20 years. And he has this brand called Keonny, which has these kind of like morning sunrise. You take like a little, you know, it's like a goop hack that you take in the morning.

And who's your doctor for this? Who's your nutritionist or who's your... Well, my nutritionist is Mark McDonald at Venice Nutrition. And I go to Dr. Reed Friedkin, who is in LA. Oh my gosh, she's dancing. She's just... Yes, you go to her. She was my doctor years ago and I was looking for her a number.

I couldn't remember her last name. Yeah. To the French woman. Yes, yes, yes. Oh my God. You go to her, it's insane. Wow. So she put you in all these peptides.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. It makes sense. Okay. So she's got something for everybody. She sure does. Mm-hmm. And then, okay, so sorry. So then you have the workout with kind of my pets.

So I work out with Ben. I do weightlifting. Only ways to do cardio. No, I walk a lot. I'll go for a walk on by the beach or on the bike path or in Santa Monica on the palisades park. I walk a lot because COVID introduced me to walking. And I never I think I never took a walk before COVID.

And yeah, no, I don't go crazy with working out. I don't, I mean, cause you're fit, you look really fit. Well, that's all the peptides and stuff. Keep your weight down, you know, so that stuff helps. Some people say it works. Most people say it doesn't. That's why for women, I've heard a lot of people

saying it didn't do it. I was on it for like, like, it's two weeks. It did nothing. So I went off, but I like a lot of men love it. But sick two weeks is enough. I know. I mean, you need to do it for six months. I know.

And like your body composition changes. Like, I have way more muscle than I used to because of that. Because I'm also treating it with, you know, you're working out. Like too much cardio is no bueno for when you're over 40. 100%. I totally agree with you. Yeah. And so then, so those, maybe the two, the combination of those two.

Yeah. And it also like there's something in there that makes my appetite less crazy. Like so I'm not so, you know, I'm not just, I don't have the same desire for food that I used to. I used to pick out on stuff. I'm like, I'm kind of grossed out by so much food after seeing all these documentaries and see spiracy. You're just like, what the hell are we all eating? I know, you see that.

Yeah, so I do a lot of shakes, you know. Yeah, what kind of, what kind of protein powder in it? Yeah, my nutritionist protein powder, it's plant-based, everything's plant based with him. Are you vegan though? No, no, no. But I don't really eat a lot of meat anymore. It's kind of out of style.

I know, exactly. It's like very like ghost nowadays, like eating chicken and beef. Yeah, right. Okay, so you work out every, how many times a week though, I want to be very clear, five times. You do 25, yeah.

Okay, and then you do all those peptides, you wake up at six o'clock, okay, give me some other ones. Mm-hmm. Do you cook? No, I can't cook anything. Okay. Which is favorite food. Mm-hmm.

If you do eat jik sushi, do you eat a lot of sushi? I like grilled oysters. I love sushi. Yeah, I like this place called Blue Plate Oyster at in Santa Monica. I love their grilled oysters, these Kyoto oysters. I love those. What else do I eat? It's not, I mean, I try not to eat shit.

I have nothing bad in my house. So, if I'm stoned, nothing's gonna happen anyway because there's nothing there. It's all clean, clean food. Good for you. So, I mean, it's worth it. You feel so much better and then that becomes your addiction. Yeah, absolutely.

Do you go to bed at a certain time? Do you have a night routine or? No, I don't really have a night routine, but I could go to bed at a certain time? Do you have a night routine or? No, I don't really have a night routine, but I could go to bed anywhere from nine to one. It just depends. If I'm tired, I'll get into bed at seven and watch TV for two hours before I fall asleep. Right.

And if I have a thing to go to, then I have a thing to go to. Do you like, well, do you like do infrared sawas or red lights and all that stuff? Oh yeah, I do a red light mask. I have one of those from, who's that from? I don't know. I put on that mask that three minute a day.

I get tons of facials. I have an infrared saunas. Yeah, I do all that stuff. You do all that stuff. I love it. Well, listen, I have had a blast having you on this thing. Thank you so much on this thing on this podcast. Thank you.

You've been so great and so open. And I just want everyone to go and go find Chelsea on her tour, the Vaccinated and Horny tour. You're all over North America, if you're going to Canada. Yeah, no, I think my date's coming up. I have San Diego this week, well, San Diego, I'm going to Ohio, I'm going to Grand Rapids, Michigan, Detroit,

I'm going to Jacksonville, Florida. Yeah, but you can look on my Instagram or my website, and yeah, I'm coming to a city near you for sure. For sure. Please come see me, I love it. And you're so funny, so thank you so much. Thank you. I really appreciate it.

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