Habits and Hustle - Episode 139: Tony Horton – Creator of P90X, Former Actor, and Author

Episode Date: October 26, 2021

Tony Horton is the Creator of P90X, Former Actor, and Author. Jen and Tony talked for 6 hours. The first cut of the episode was over 4 hours. We trimmed it down once more to give you the best of the best in this conversation. Tony’s a firecracker, the Energizer Bunny, and this episode does not disappoint. Try to keep up as he bullets from his early acting career, to stand up, to P90X, through getting debilitating shingles in his ear, and plowing to flip side of that to be the fittest 63-year-old we’ve ever seen. He’s hilarious, he’s nonstop, and it’s all yours. Curious about what it takes to keep thriving and moving well into your life? Interested in what the face of one of the most successful workout programs in the world has been up to and how he does what he does? Check it out. Youtube Link to This Episode Tony’s Instagram Tony’s Website Power Life’s Instagram Power Life Website ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Did you learn something from tuning in today? Please pay it forward and write us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts. 📧If you have feedback for the show, please email [e-mail]  📙Get yourself a copy of Jennifer Cohen’s newest book from Habit Nest, Badass Body Goals Journal. ℹ️Habits & Hustle Website 📚Habit Nest Website 📱Follow Jennifer – Instagram – Facebook – Twitter – Jennifer’s Website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Today on habits and hustle we have the one and only Tony Horton, who was probably one of the most popular fitness icons of all time. He created the most popular fitness program, P90X, also P90X2, P90X3. I mean, I grew up doing this program and it was just a monster. Still, I think one of the most effective programs out there, he now has a new program called The Power of Four that he talks all about in this podcast and you'll learn about it. It's about fitness, it's about food, it's about mindfulness. Tony also though is a really funny guy.

And we talk about how he transitioned from being a comic slash actor to becoming a trainer in the first place. He trained every single huge rock star on the planet from Tom Petty to Bruce Springsteen. He has some great stories. He's very engaging. The podcast I got to tell you, we talked for six hours, okay? But don't worry, I did edit it down. So you won't have to sit there and listen to the whole thing. But like I said, I really enjoyed talking to Tony, obviously. And I hope you really enjoy listening to this podcast. And hopefully you learn a thing or two.

I do your tonal workouts, by the way. When I, when yes, I do your tonal workouts. And you're very welcome. When I saw that you were like a trainer for them or a coach for them, I was beyond excited. I was probably like, I was expressing it so fast and so like, you know, so like excitedly, and like, it kind of like, stalled the machine

because, well, I was like, I'm a huge fan of your, you know, P90 workouts. But anyway, the point is, I was like, looking at you, I'm like, is it like really good lighting? I just don't get it. Like, are you seriously 63 years old? Yeah, by the way, the checks in the mail. And I hope so. I hope so after that endorsement. I mean, it's interesting. You're getting me as raw as you can get me, meaning, before it has the podcast started officially. I'm not sure. I mean, I wasn't, listen, I go right,

I don't like waste any time, you know. I just, I saw you. I don't know if you're going to have our casual conversation prior or we're actually in. Either way, I don't care. I mean, it doesn't, I can, I, I was just talking because I saw you and I got excited. So it was going to be a prior conversation,

but if you're giving me like a good nugget of like information that you want to share with an audience. Free podcast nuggets I got. During nuggets, post nuggets, so wherever you want to do. Okay. Your question is, normally I die in my beard to match my hair color because there's a contrast. So this is my hair. This is like there's nothing done here.

There's no dye here. You can see there's some gray kicking in here. Very late. My parents had dark hair into their 70s and 80s. So I just got that genetics. But normally I'll just dabble in here, but I haven't. This is this is wrong. This right here, man. So that hair color is not not dye. Not touched. Of course, friends of my love to make like pretend it is on camera, which completely pisses me off But whatever I know who I am and that's not and that's me man. That's all me right there Wow, you know a lot of it has to do that I walked the walk well good, you know

I avoid the sun like the plague. It's like a giant fiery death ball in the sky that ruins my skin And I used to be as brown as I I used to be the star all the time I Was really who's tan I was in the beds. I was at the beach playing volleyball I was born and then and then all the problems started kicking in around my late 40s skin issues and Burning off pre-cancers. I was like, oh, I got to cut this out So I literally like a hundred SPF we're a hat. I mean, I don, I got to cut this out. So I literally, like 100 SPF, we're a hat. I mean, I don't, I avoid the sun.

And I work a vampire. Yeah, I'm kind of vampire like, I never leave the house except to the, to the grow to the car. But yeah, I mean, you know, I work out five, six days a week and I'm a vegan now, which has really helped me a lot. I've been reading the book, James Nester's book, Breath, and following a lot of that new strategies in there that I'm noticing a dramatic change in my overall health and quality of sleep and energy and lack of inflammation and whatever.

I just, I like, I mean, as a 63-year-old, I want to be able to charge into my 90s. And the first 40 years of my life was just, you know, effing off and partying and smoking weed and drinking beer and pizza and, you know, chasing girls and trying to pay the bills, it was not an interesting start. So, so this second half has got to be, you know, and people rely on me to be slightly ahead of most people I age. And so, yeah, that's where I'm at. But it's just like, because you haven't aged a day since P90X at all. So is this genetic? How much of it is it genetics?

I mean, come on, because I mean, I wanna get into all of the wellness stuff that you do, like all your habits, you routines, you're recovery, you're nutrition, because if you are a poster child for aging well, I mean, if I've ever seen it, you're

also ripped. I see you. Yeah. Not bad. I'm not bad. Okay. Can we go right into that part? And then we can go into all the other path of fitness.

Because I will tell you something, a funny little, not so funny to me, but funny to you. What I was looking at a video of yours last night, and I have an eight year old and a six year old, and my eight year old comes up to me, and he's like, who are you watching, mummy? What is this? And I was like, oh, this guy,

you know, Tony Horton, you know, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, Dylan, can you believe, I'm like, can you believe this guy's 62? I thought you were 62. And he's like, what do you, he's like 62? He's like, what do you mean? He's like, you, you look way older than he is. And I was like, oh my god, and kids don't lie. You know that, right?

You know that. You put that kid in the cage. Right? Like, he went to bed very early without any dessert. But I'm saying, it's true. Because we'll get into the fitness part. But I know that you have you done any surgery? Is it just naturally just taking care of yourself?

Facials, I've had facials. And I have my own skincare line called THKR, which I use religiously, you know, pH balance made in California and no parabens, you know, whatever. I mean, I never used to moisturize. I never used to, you know, I use like those little granular face scrubs, take the dead skin off.

Yeah, other than that, you know, I mean, like I've gone, I've had one or two, like 10, 12, 15 years ago, where you go in and you have, I should get the name of the little laser procedure, you know, like, yeah, name of the laser procedure. You know, the kind of, yeah, yeah, yeah. Big space lasers. Yeah, yeah. But I think, for me, it's really been more about my diet and my lack of stress and hydration and plant-based diet.

I think that has had a greater influence than anything, really. And genetics, yeah, I mean, a hair I got very lucky there, but a lot of my cousins, a man like a name names, they don't look at anything like me. I mean, not of them do. You know what I mean?

They just look a little worn out and tattered and beat up in their 60s. I mean, most of them are grandparents, you know what I mean? Not to say there's anything wrong with that. I just, I'm a kid. My wife and I have only been married for six years. So I wasn't married for very long most of my life. Just six years? Oh, wow. So maybe that's what it is. Kids age you tremendously.

That's what I love here. So I skip that part. I skip that part. That's the secret. Just don't have kids that we're going to look like Tony Horton. I have a self-respecting way. I'm selfish as can be. I want to do what I want to do at the drop of a hat. My wife and I want to go off to Jackson Hole or go off to Europe or just have some fun or takes it two weeks off. I mean, we're very lucky at this stage of my life, our life, that we can kind of come and go as we please create products that we want.

You know, I've been on several military tours with armed forces entertainment out of the Pentagon and gone to Europe and go to Japan twice and go into South Korea. And just to get to do really cool things, it's about the pursuit of happiness, man. And I'm all about that. I was a miserable guy who cut a lot of corners and procrastinated and effed off. And I was always just sort of in a state of of malaise and depression, not deep depression, but just, you know, general sadness. And, um, and then I just started, you know, most of these books are all personal development books back here, right?

So I would wish your favorite book right now. What are you reading right now? What are you reading for? I'm reading, uh, Breath by James Nester, which is, I've been reading that for two months. But I just got, I got a Malcolm Gladwell's book, Meeting Strangers, which is not anything I thought of, somebody gave me that, I'm into that one. I thought it was about, oh, you meet strangers and you have a great life. No, it's really, the book is really about how a circumstance

can go so south so fast because two entities have just completely different views of the world and life and then they come into each other where there's two countries or two people or whatever it is. And then they usually don't have enough wherewithal during these interactions to be sympathetic and civil, you know, I mean, and yeah, I know you are. If you are sympathetic and civil and in your half-week decent listener, and you can see, I mean, that's what's happening in our society right now. It's like this, I mean, we just keep doing this, right, further and further apart.

And at some point, we're going to have to, you know, turn that around. Or I don't know what's going to happen. So it's going to, we're going to, like, roam. We don't turn things around here soon enough. But it's a crazy time. No, no, no, it's a crazy time. And this is a conversation I have with my friends and my family and everybody all the time. I mean, what's going on is such a divide right now in the, in the country and in the world. It's, and this pandemic, since it seems to ever end. I thought we were kind of like turning a corner there. And here we are, we're back on doing it like this

because of the Delta variant. And I'm very disappointed that you're not at my house right now in my studio doing this podcast. But this is just, I mean, it goes on and on, right? Yeah, it is really too bad. I don't want point fingers. People have the reasons for doing what they're doing. But it just to me, you know, I got to, I got to tread lightly here. Of course, is that no, you don't.

That's what podcasts are for. I'm dirty. Yeah. You know, so the Tony can say things. So we learn, Lou, this is happening. This is gonna be that's right. I'm a dirty. So Tony can say things, so we lose this half of his fanbase. Don't forget, the cancel. If you say you like a mango more than an orange, you're going to lose half of your fanbase right there.

You're going to jump down your throat. Mango growers across America, Tony Horton. What do you mean? You don't like almonds? How come you're picking a mango over an almond? How dare you? You know, I'm never buying any product that you've ever been in, ever again.

Like people getting fired from their jobs from telling jokes at parties 20 years ago. Mine blowing to me. I tell you mine blowing. My friend, Chris Titus, who is not afraid, he's a comedian. I said, dude, you're the loudest question of hope. You and other comedians are the only ones

that allowed to say anything anymore without offending the entire world or getting canceled out or being overwulk or whatever else you want. You know what, honestly, you're totally right. I think Bill Burzy only won in my opinion that gets away with it a little bit still because he's just so amazing.

But I mean, he hasn't met. And if he ever gets canceled, I'm just throwing in the towel and I'm just moving somewhere completely I don't know where but but it is But I want to say People do need to sort of you know there are certain words you don't you just don't use anymore Right you don't use the N word anymore. I mean of course you don't I mean unless you're a complete scumbag

Unless you're a complete racist, you know, of course of course But yeah, you gotta make you know it's like as I did comedy for three years, attempted to. I know you were standing up comic, right? I said, what money? But I mean, you know, you learn a strong lesson there is you got to know your audience, right? You don't do the dick jokes at the convalescent home. You just don't.

And you don't talk about your five year old on the college circuit. There's this stuff that, you, you gotta learn your audience. And so something read the right thing. And you know, that's what evolution is happening now. It's not like you have to wait eons for that to happen. You need to evolve throughout your lifetime. You need to grow and you need to learn. You need to transform if you want to be able to live

in the modern world. I think the pendulum is swung too far on the whole wokeness cancel culture thing. And I don't know how far it's gonna come back. I think it pendulum is swung too far on the whole walkness cancel culture thing. And I don't know how far it's going to come back. I think it needs to. But at the same time, don't be mean to people. Don't be an asshole.

Don't be a hater. Those are things that I don't care what side of the aisle you're on. Those are all good behavior. How about you, instead of just, what's the expression when it comes to relationships? Do you want to win or do you want to be happy? Sometimes we're just always trying to make our point to the extent where we're going to end up with our cortisol levels, to the roof, and our adrenal glands are fried. We're going to age before our time.

I mean, I think in myself, all these haters in the world, I want to have often they meditate. Right, right, right, exactly. Right, like these, just these, as the sides and bottom, you're side sucks and not only to go home and meditate. I'm guessing they don't. And so, you know, they're gonna burn out and die before others who know how to...

Isn't meditators, it's just like having your opinion and I have my opinion and having some levity in life. Nothing could be joked about anything. Everything has to your point. The pendulum has swung so far that you have to be so conscientious and cautious. If you move right, if you do left, if you zig, if you sad, where it's becoming, there's no freedom of speech, there's no nothing anymore.

It's really a problem, in my opinion, and I talk about this all the time. And for you, I'm, we can even talk about this. You're a standard comic, right? And so I'm curious. Well, your mom thought you were funny. By the way, I thought you were funny and all the things I've seen you win. I think part of your, and this is my opinion, and we could talk about your opinion, because that's why you're on the podcast.

But I think part of your success is because you had such a charm and sense of humor and you brought it every time like that, which made you unique and stand out versus somebody who's coming in and not able to resonate and be funny and bring some kind of, like I said, levity to the torture of working out to some people. Well, no one had done it prior, and I don't think too many people have done it very well since, which is. Exactly. Exactly.

I got a porn laborer. I got to help that hand. which is... Exactly. Exactly. I'm from labor, I got to help that hand. I don't know why, I mean because exercise is really hard and there's a lot of people out there that are really good at what they do, or you know, they're kinesiology majors and exercise science folks and trainers that can really help with rehab. But oh my god, it's such a, quite often, you know, it's such a snooze fest. Yep, and you know, we're in the infotainment world, we're in the physiotainment world. It's a term I just made up. But really, like, you know, how do you get people to work really hard and deal with physical, mental, and emotional pain and keep coming back for more, right? I mean, P90X, we probably should have sold about 500 of those things and not more than that

We ended up selling several million of them so and it was because of several things right the set was cool the cast were relatable Then obviously the workouts were very effective the whole muscle confusion made up concept You know, which is basically periodization training, which is a version of what Jack Lane was doing 100 years ago You know, it's just sort of I modern it, and I added some personality to the thing, and no one had really been able to do that before. Yeah, because I was a stand-up comic, and I was in a second-city LA, and because I was taking improv classes and seeing study classes, and doing Panama at the pier when I was out of money,

you know, and I mean, whatever, because I was a street performer pier when I was out of money, you know, and I mean, whatever, because I was a street performer. So there was all that that I had prior, and then I, you know, then I got into the fitness world because it just made me feel better. It was, it ended up being a much more productive lifestyle for me than just clubbing and, and, and, and drinking and, and sleeping in the 11 o'clock, you know, I mean, and that just took some discipline because you could only live at the poverty line for so long before you wanna,

you know, pull yourself up by the bootstraps and try something new. And transition's a bear, it is for anybody. I mean, you know, it's not, you know, like, oh, I'm gonna quit smoking, I'm gonna stop drinking, I'm gonna start gonna lose 100 pounds. And I'm gonna start to meditate, and you've never done that in your life.

You're success rate is zero on that. So just doing it, you know, being the tortoise, not the hare. That's the way I did it. I said, okay, this is not working for many more. I drinking, I didn't have a drinking problem. I just drank because everybody else did. But every time I did, I acted like an asshole and I woke up feeling like crap. You know, I thought to myself, why am I doing this then?

It just seems, I have a personality. I don't have to manufacture one through alcohol for a short period of time to entertain people. How about I just be me and I can drink club soda with alignment at no one will know otherwise, right? So that was it. For me, it was like, boom, I'm gonna try this for two weeks. I'm gonna try this for two months.

I'm gonna try this for two years, whatever, 30 something years later. I haven't had a drop of alcohol since. Can you imagine me with alcohol in me? I can't know, I'm actually alive for your lives, all right? It's going to be some nudity and profanity. They're going to happen simultaneously. And that's going to be a problem, all right? So that was an easy shift. And the diet thing was always, you'm gonna be pale, I'm gonna be keto, I'm gonna be vegetarian, I'm gonna be a flexitarian, a pescatarian.

And now I'm just vegan and I freaking love it and it works for me and I don't miss chicken or beef or fish at all. It wasn't even, wasn't even. I scooted it up twice before. I was eating too many cookies, crackers, and chips and things that were vegan. But they, they, they, they,

they sat down and sat down and sat down and sat down. So then I just went, oh, okay, I'm going to eat, you know, have a big ol' shake. At some point in the day, and I'll maybe have a smaller one later, and I'll just eat two huge meals and plants in. And I've I'm off the hooch, and I'm meditating, and I'm sleeping eight hours. So all this stuff is going to begin to sort of, you know, I'm just following the rules. And these are general rules that would work for 95% of the people who tried them. Just a lot of people, you know, they try to do all these things too quickly, back to back to back, you know, I mean, and it's too daunting. And, and, and usually they're not getting enough positive

response from the people around them. Come on, man, have a beer. Come on, man, was we can have a piece of Come on man, what's up? You can have a piece of pizza. Can I get, I mean, that peer pressure, family pressure. Oh, what are you, a health nut? You know what I mean? And some people, some people don't know how to go, shut up, you're fat and ugly,

and you can't get up as set of stairs, and you're giving me advice. Right, you probably stop, because you're embarrassing yourself. All right, most people just go, oh, you're right, I'm here. You know what I mean? Like grow up here and grow up

because life is this long. It's like, birth, school, work, death. And it goes like that. So you better figure some stuff out so that you can live the life that you deserve. Yeah, well that's a great way of saying it. I think I heard you say one time. I mean, like, there's only two things you can control in life, right? What you put in your mouth,

what you eat, and how much physical work and activity you do. Right? As you go ahead. There's a question in there. No, there is. There is. There is a question in there. Absolutely. I mean, can you control the traffic or your family or weather or your boss There's a question in there. No, there is. Actually, I have a question. No, but there is. There is a question in there. Absolutely. I mean, can you control the traffic or your family or weather or your boss or no, man. But you can control how you feel and how you function. And that usually has to do with your physical activity and what you put in your mouth. You know, Jack Lane said years ago, you are what you eat and you truly are, right?

So if you're eating, like you're going to put up, you know, you're going to put, uh, gone in Mexico and put some 32 octane gas in your Ferrari, no, man, this is your Ferrari right here. This is your race horse. Okay, this is it. You're going to, like, oh, I got a race horse. I'm going to give it some triple cheese chimichangas. No, you're not. You're going to put, you're going to give that horse because that, that thing could be a winner and it could not, you're gonna give that horse, because that thing could be a winner, and it could be this avenue of success for you, so you get the best trainer, and you get the best nutrition, and you treat that, and we don't do that to ourselves.

We treat our cars and animals better than we do ourselves. It's insane, because we have addictions, and we have vices, and we have bad influences, and we have crappyices and we have bad influences and we have crappy upbringings and friends that don't look out for us. People are trying to, and we don't have the right people around us. One of the things I talk about a lot is, who's in your tribe? I talk about it in my book, The Big Picture.

You got it at some point in your life. I've gotten pretty good at it, making people go away. You know what I mean? Hey, man, it looks like you got a different plan right now. You're kind of, you know, you're drinking a driving. Sorry, you got to get that cleaned up and you're not showing up. You say you're showing up to work. You say you're going to come to the workouts, but you don't come. So there's like, there's pretty clear drinking driving, not coming to workouts. Go get your shit together. And when it's together, you give me a call not coming to workouts, go get your shit together. And when it's together, you give me a call and you're back in the Tony Horton world.

So lack of consistency, lack of purpose, lousy attitude, terrible mindset, no mindfulness practice, eating like you're going to, you're trying to kill yourself, lack of activity. Why would I want you in my life? Because you are like, why don't I just put an anchor on my neck and throw myself into the end of the specific With you are online. No, so You know, it's it's and then you got to go searching for the bad asses You got to go find them. They're out there. They're everywhere, right? And and you'll know in the first two or three or four meetings whether the words keep it around or not You know and if they and if they're pretty good for the first year and they, hey, you know what, it seems

like, you know what, about those conversations are hard for people. And then by the way, they're your kids, they're your spouse, they're your neighbors, they're your coworkers, they're everywhere. All right. I mean, I can't tell you the people. There was a great story of a gal who did, who did power 90, which came out before Pina Nip's name was Kathy. She was five foot nothing,

lay 210 pounds or maybe more than that. And she had tried everything, all the pills, the potion, there's the quick fixes and all these things. And saw power 90 and an infomercial. And her husband was, he was a miserable son of a bitch when you figure out, when you learn the whole story.

Why are you doing this thing? You don't even do the diet pills. And you're gonna do this 90 days of working out and eating right, and I'm not am I supposed to eat, and, well, well, well, and she did it anyway. She fed them the crap food, and she did it, and she, the first time she did power 90, couldn't do anything.

Couldn't do a push up, forget about. There's no pull ups in that one, but, I mean, really struggled, but by the third month, she's losing, losing, weight, doing pretty good. So she did power 90 three times, three months, six months, nine months, then P90X came out, impossible, pull-ups now, and she couldn't do pull-ups. The day I met her, which was about a month after she did her third round of P90X, I'm

looking at what I think is a, you know, because we hire actual people, we did no say, actual people who did the program, and fitness models to fill a room, right? I'm not sure if she's one of the fitness models. I mean, she looked like a gymnast. She looked like, and then she went up there and cracked out 15 pull ups, and I went,

oh, what's your story? And then she told me, and she showed me her before picture. I mean, what? You know, even with all that bad energy in the house, with that, with her husband just being a part of it. Did it. Did it anyway, man. I mean, that was 10 years ago. I love to know where she is today, but it can happen. I mean, there's a guy in this, I'm doing this new program called the Power of Four. And the four is based on food fitness supplementation and mindfulness, the four things that are for me, the foundation of the whole spread. There's layers on that mindset and other things, but that's the main four.

This one guy, his name is Eric, and he's a scientist, and he's kind of an introvert. This has been a full pandemic process, right? So pretty early in I went, all right, what am I going to do? I'm working for Tonal, which you know, and I got my own supplement line, which is great, but, you know, people are screaming for something else online, so I came up with this. And what 18 months later, this is a completely different human being, not only physically. He showed up at the house here on Sunday, and he was beaten the crew at like four or five exercises. And he'd never done anything. A climbing rope, some side down, and going up down the pegboard, going through the nitty-courts.

And we had one maximum pushups in 50, in one minute. He smoked us all. It was crazy. It was. Wow. And so he wrote me a single line, three page letter. And it just makes, I get chills. I get chills just

thinking about the transformation in this man's life and I only met him last week and for it's amazing. It's amazing. You just follow me online and do what I say you know I mean so you have to have a certain amount of trust and faith and belief in what it is you know I mean if you believe your magic pills gonna work it might work I don't know because belief is because huge part of it. Belief is but I mean the amount of lives that you've changed over the years right because that program P90X what's is it still to this day the best selling fitness program of all time? Well you know I made with a company for it and Saturdays up there I'm sure beach bodies

pushing a lot of autumn calibriza stuff pretty hard. Yeah, they are. Right now they are. Not the best selling, but it's the best snow. It's the most well known. Like my mother knows about it. Her friends know, but like it's like it's like it's a it's a household name. It's synonymous with fitness. People think about it when they think about, you know, fitness at home fitness programs. So how did it come to be? So your stand-up comic, your struggling actor, you started to work out, you started really getting into it. How did that become then your career, your path?

And how did you then get to P90X? Well, do you have 45 minutes? I can do it. I have more than 45 hours if you want. I can do it. I have more than 45 hours if you want to. I can do it. I came out to California, 1980, wanted to be an actor, lived on my buddy's sister's floor for the summer. But I noticed something very different about California then, than Connecticut, where I grew

up is there were gyms on every corner. People were surfing and skiing and volleyball. It was a very physical community. And I jumped into a gym pretty quick because I had an agent early on. I got an agent, you know, and I took away lifting course in college, did really well, built my confidence, my GPA went up.

And of course, after that semester, I stopped going to that class and everything went, you know, oh, more beer, more booze, more burgers. And then by the time I came out here, you know, I had lost a lot of that physique that I had had. But I got the agent, they said, get back in there, man, because if you want to work, you know, if you want to get commercials and I did some modeling early on. And so, again, then all of a sudden, I just said, okay, I got an agent.

You know, I mean, this is, this is like, I have an agent, so I'll just do what they said. I thought this woman was a god. And so I went to jam and I was training this guy Harlem Goodman Who was a movie producer over 20th century Fox and he was working with a woman by the name of Julia Phillips Now Julia Phillips and her husband John Phillips produced close encounters of the third kind the sting with redford and in Paul Newman and and Taxi driver with Robert De Niro. And so I was on the set, I had a pass and I walked around. And I'm feeding the cat, I'm making the coffee

and I'm delivering the script, so I'm picking up the station and I'm hiding the pot and whatever from her if she'd thought it. And do whatever a PA would do. And Harlan was noticing, you know, Harlan who used to be in the music industry, who had hooked up with Julia when she divorced John, anyway.

And they couldn't make a movie to save their lives over there they tried, you know what I mean? But I worked for the whole time. And he was noticing my transition. And so I started training him. He goes, dude, you gotta help me because I need to lose the way. I was in a trainer, I wasn't certified, I had no idea. I would just go to the one of four gyms that I was a member of back then because gym

memberships were like $99 for a year. For a year. Yeah. You know, like whenever I saw I was a member of Goals gym, I was a member of a place called Mezzeplex. I was a member of another one that was a, it was an aerobics gym, it was all women. So I'm going to go in there and join that one, right? Like I look at the aerobics, I look at the window and go, oh my God, what are they doing in there? in there and enjoy that one, right? Like I look at the window and go, oh my God, what are they doing in there? It's called a phobics. Really? Can guys go in there? Yeah, pop sign me up. Every time. The whole time. Like they didn't care about me. So he noticed that transition. So I was training my boss in the morning before

we both went to work in a buddy's garage. He lost 35 pounds. And then I started training other people like, oh, look what you're doing for Harlan, and then he had a smile, you know, and I was training these two doctors, this husband and wife team. And then I had about four or five clients, still a carburetor, still doing panamime and Vegas at big shows, you know what I mean? Acting as a frozen statue on a buffet table, you know, dressed as a construction worker or an Indian or something. You know what I mean? Getting paid $200 to go to Vegas, of course. Then you just look at the blackjack and gone and you get the bus on the back, wear a

hand and you're out of money, whatever, whatever. I do whatever I could do. But I was becoming a trainer. So I started buying books to figure out if I was whatever I was doing was right. I was just stealing. I would watch Lufur Ignore Arnold Schwarzenegger at work. And I go, how many sets are you doing? 18 sets of chests.

Okay, that seems like I don't do that. You know, make sure you're doing legs for like two hours. Okay, you know what I mean? And, but I would walk around with these two luggage with dumb bells in them, and I go to people's house, and we do whatever. And so one day after Harlan left 20th Century Fox in Julia and so did I. He was walking down the hall of East End Management on Sunset Boulevard and Tom Petty's walking

the other direction and Tom sees Harlan. He says, Hey Harlan, holy crap, you look great. Tom's from Gamesville. This is my Tom Petty, okay? I trained time for 32 years on and off. Got them ready for tours. And he said, Hey, Harlan, Jesus Christ, you look fantastic. I'm fat. And I'm going on a tour and nobody likes a fat rocker. And so Harlan says, called my buddy Tony Hooran, Tony Hooran, all right. So Tom, so Bob calls, Tom calls, and my roommate Bob picks up, Hey, it's Harlan. I mean, I'm screwing up the story. Hey, it's Tom Petty, I'm looking for Tony Horde.

And Bob looks at me and goes, dude, I think it's John downstairs screwing around. I go, hey, no, it's not, come Petty's not calling our apartment here. Tom Petty's not calling, 14, 38, 15, between Santa Monica and Broadway. So he hangs up, phone call, right back. Hey, this is Tom Petty. Bob goes hangs up, phone call, right back. Hey, got disconnected.

This is Tom Petty. Bob goes, dude, it is, no, I think it's Tom Petty. Hello. JP. No, it's Tom Petty. Dude, it's Tom Petty. Hey, I'm friend of Harlan Goodman's. I'm going on tour and I'm fat.

Nobody likes fat rocker. So it was house in Whittling Hills and gold records and platinum records on the wall and put out the cigarette right there, you know, before you got busy. And he was as weak as a chicken who had never, never left the coop, you know. And I had him for four months and I gave him, I got him a heavy bag, the old, the old life cycle, remember that, the gray. Yes, I do. Everything. Got him a bench press and dumbbells from, I would say, from five to 45s, which he didn't use, he didn't use the 25s,

30s, 35s, 40s, 45s until the last month. He started with 12 pound dumbbells on a bench press. The first time I had it into his arms was like this. Whoa, right, whoa, you know. He had no sense of right left. And he was beating the crap of that heavy bag. When I got, when he got in the lifestyle, the life cycle the first time, I had to turn it off because level one was too hard. It's like I went level three, no, level two, no, level one, I turned it off.

Oh yeah, that's better. You know, like holy crap, we got some ways to go. But it's amazing what you can do if you're at a guy's house five days a week and I'm getting them. Yeah. And four months later, he's on tour with sleeveless shirts and vests with no, he's freaking. I remember that. He was jacked, man. And so then, right mates,

good morning, Billy, all you know. So you do a petty mate, fantastic. So for a while there, it was, I had Billy first, then Tom, then I ran the corner, it was Annie Lennox from the Arithmix. Then from Annie, I went to Steven Stills, couldn't do much for Steven, Krosby Stills, Nash and Young.

And then Bruce sprinked to Steve, but I trained his wife, Patty Skalpha first for a while. You really trained every major rock star in the world. All the rockers from the 70s, I kept them alive, kept them going. I didn't even know these guys even worked out. Like if you believe I don't know, they look so skinny. Like Billy, I look like very, very skinny

and that he doesn't, like they just smoke, do drugs and drink. Like I had no idea that that guy worked out. And he's still to this day. I mean, we, a beach body, when I was still with him, did an event, they had an annual summit and they had him as the entertainment. And I got to introduce

him you know in front of about 17,000 people and so I got there you know I just do a little bit like a 30 minute he goes make you know I can't do a lot of f-bops come on you're gonna come back home here he out he told me because yeah I think he thought that I own beach body I thought it was me and so this he told me I could just his fuck off his own, smoke his mark, park it, park it, run it. So almost I show up every day. And he put on a show. And then during that we do the show, during Rebel Yel, and some at the bottom of the stair

at the stage, I get to hang out down there. He goes, come on up. So I'm singing Rebel Yel with Billy Eilel, and for the 17,000 people. So that is so cool. Yeah, I didn't remember all the lyrics, but I had some of them down. But it was just, yeah, it was been, that was how I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I photo 17,000 people so that is so cool. Yeah, I didn't remember all the lyrics, but I had some of them down But it was just yeah, it's been that is how I how I got started and I was also doing stand up and I was trying And I was taking in I was with second-city LA And I had this Colombo character. I don't know if you know

Of course I know colombo. I loved colombo. Oh, I could ask you I don't know if you know of course I know colando I loved colombo. Oh, I could ask you Man, let me ask you questions, you know I mean, so I had the code I go around I do this whole bit right in the audience So I got very come I got and then I was working with Nordic track for for wow flying back and forth to Minneapolis They're out of Minneapolis So and then I had a show on the playboard channel called 360 With with not Shannon Tweed, but her sister. She was my co-hosts.

And that was a three, did you wear clothes? Yeah, and we were co-hosts of like a entertainment tonight. Like an entertainment, like a roll of gin a little bit with some of the product. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We would do these opening sketches. I mean, they had a decent budget, three camera show, teleprompers on all three

cameras. So between that and going back and, you know, the classes, the improv, the comedy, going to Minneapolis, having this show, you know, when it came to being in front of a camera, it was the second nature after a while. And so power-9, it was just a kind of a straight, straight thing. You know, Nobody knew about Beachbody. The thing was 10 minutes old. It was 1999, 2000. Hi, everybody, Tony Horton here. We're gonna do a chest and back.

How did you get to power 90s? So how did you meet Carl and all that stuff? Oh, you and that story. Here's a lesson in how to behave during times where people are doing this. So one of the books I read, I think it was romancing the chef. No, I can't remember. It was one of these back here. There was a lesson at the end of every chapter.

And the chapter was, this was about civility and reaching out to others. And that's kind of what the chapter was. So the lesson was, go out of your way and do something extraordinary for somebody that you're in conflict with. Forget about doing something nice for your kids or your wife or your parents. Like somebody that's, you're pretty sure it doesn't like you and you don't like them. Just something really nice. So I used to play hoop with these lawyers on Saturdays years ago and they're all lawyers. So there's a lot of arguing.

It was a foul, wasn't a foul. Well, you're tough to mile out. You're like, okay, I'm sitting there and I'll wait for people to argue at the end. So we can continue playing ball. This is one guy who was kind of like the alpha male of this group of, his name was Ben Van De Bun. Then the lead attorney for a company called Guffy Rinker,

which was the biggest informational company in the world at that time. This is really before Beachbody existed. And you know sometimes you pick teams, sometimes you know we were on opposite teams, sometimes and we were on the same team. I just wasn't a very good ball player. I couldn't dribble with my left hand, you know what I mean? I didn't know that. I would always stand in all the wrong places. I could hustle though and I could set I could set picks, which I love doing. But on this particular day, he and I were on the same team, and we won, and he was in good spirits.

And he's with his lawyer pals, and I'm hanging out with whatever, just nobody or myself. And he was complaining a lot. He was like, oh man, if I could lit get rid of this 30, 35 pounds, this whole basketball thing would be a lot easier for me. And I thought, go out of your way and do something extraordinary or nice or a nice favorite of somebody that you're in conflict with. And so I thought, and I had an eight o'clock or seven,

30 slot of a client that I had forever who had just stopped or whatever, can't remember. So I had this open slot, so I thought, I'll go ask him if he'd like to start training with me, because I thought he thought he thought He was a real pots, you know So I went to high-banded story. I don't know if you know, but I trained on And you're a big shot attorney if you have a big house in Brentwood and I live in a crop hole apart

But with a few of the couple less at home You probably want that milk with me because all your friends are rich and that kids and things. So I don't know. And he looked at me and went, oh yeah, man, when you train these celebrities, I go, yeah, I go, man, I'd love to give me your number. What? And then I thought, okay, he's not going to call me. He called me that afternoon.

He said, when can we start? I said, Monday. And I saw him every Monday, Wednesday, Friday for that year. He lost a bunch of weight, you know, because he was doing stuff he would never done before. We started every Monday with 500 pushups. That was our Monday routine. Yeah, we did it together.

Like, oh, dude, I'm going to do so many, you do so many. And when 500 was done, we were done. You never done that. That's all you did? Oh, we did. It was a Herschel Walker who used to play for the Cowboys, I think. We did the Herschel Walker routine. And I think Herschel Walker was like 1500 squats and all these different things.

So he just got super fit. And then he interviewed this guy, Carl Dykler, who was out of Philly, who did 8 Minute Abs. That was his claim to fame. So who's this young whipper snapper who created an infomercial who doesn't live in Hollywood or New York, who's in in Philly who came up with this Eight-minute abs thing so Ben was said I want you to meet this guy. He's kind of a go-gitter and he's funny and he's goofy He's outrageous kind of like me and we he brought him to the workouts and he brought him to several workouts and Carl and I

Just we were thickest thieves man. We were really good friends and and We would club and then and then we worked out hard. I mean, Carl's thing was he trained so hard every time. He almost threw up every time. Like, what do you don't have to throw up every time? That's not necessarily a goal. You know what I mean? Goals are going hard, but it's not like, you know, you're going to break something.

And then, as in Carl, who's now an employee, Benz. And Carl was doing him for merciless for like pantyhose that don't run and at home, laced the guy's surgery. I made that one up. But, um, Carl was a fitness guy. There's kind of weight and his turn over there. And so he asked Ben, he said,

hey, you know, I got an Otone and he's, you know, I like to hire Tony and my girlfriend at the time is a trainer, Debbie Seabers. So Debbie Seabers was an early part of Beachbody. She's coming on as have I. But so he just, yeah, you and you. And we did this thing where we did some workouts and some gym and malleable and we ran out of money and we did a bunch of them on the beach and malleable without a permit that like

the crack of dawn. Wow. Cops are coming, kicks, clear out, you know what I mean? And they put that thing out to the world. Actually, that was called Great Body Guaranteed, which was before Power 90. So here we were, nobody's, and this great body Guaranteed made money. You know, so you would buy these wild spots, you'd buy, you'd spend like $1,000 here, if it kept seeing New York and you'd spend like $2,000 in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, and you'd buy another one in Portland, Oregon, and you'd roll it ice, and you'd buy those

spots. And, ooh, if you lose your ass, nine after a night, and day after day, you're out of money, and your project is gone, and you crawl back into your hole, and you never work again, or you make another project, and that thing made enough money, and investors were like, whoa, this is great, body guarantee work, because you get to have 100 people try to do an information, and two will succeed temporarily, while the other 98 just disappear, that's just the nature that is hard. And so we did the thing at work, and the marketing worked, and then we said, okay, well, now we got some money in the coffers.

And Carl said, what do you do with petty and idle and Steven stills? Can we do all that? Can we train people that way without treadmills and heavy bags and versatile climbers and benches and just maybe some dumbbells or something? And I said, yeah, man, whatever, we'll do pushups. And there's no pullups for that one. And with bands, we had that band option, which was for people who didn't have dumbbells in the house.

They wanted to travel. And Power 90 sold like three million copies. And everybody was like, what? And so Ben said to Carl, dude, start your own thing. Do your own thing. We'll rent you a space down the hall. We got plenty of space here. And so Carl hired Ben's roommate from college.

They just gotten back from traveling, doing the photo thing. He was a fifth grade teacher, didn't know the new zero about the business. So Carl trained John, and he was pretty quick learner. And then we did Power 90. And then I didn't have to live in that apartment anymore.

I was $60,000 in debt, which seemed like a lot of the time, especially when you don't have any money. Right. You broke it down cars. I had two cars because what would break? What was the 66 Mustang convertible rally sport? Look really good in the parking lot, but driving in Malibu and then the Culver city, then the back to Hollywood,

it just couldn't handle all those miles driving from celebrity to celebrity. So I had an 84 white land cruiser. It was like, it was like, the needed to do this to make a left turn. And then, wow, this thing, it's just horrible car. But you know, when I break and I drive the other one, and that was my life early on.

And then the first royalty checks came in from Power 90. And yeah, the first one was like two grand. Whoa, I'm just sitting here and two grand in a mailbox and then four grand and then eight grand. And then, you know, get to doing that. And then a million. And then like, yeah, they got put paid off the debt, looked at homes.

I was able to go from a crappy little crime-ridden area into a one to four bedroom joint in Brentwood with a view of the Hollywood sign and you know what I mean and a little guest house which I converted into the gym and lived there for the longest you know that I moved there and I did every furniture, like you walk in every room, room, room, and it was like, like, like this, this, this is the living, living room, you know, it's just an echo chamber, because all the furniture in that apartment was, I made, I was a carpenter, so I made crap, and I sold that at a garage sale right when I left, and I think I brought a couch with me, that's all I brought, so a lot of empty rooms, and then we did, like, what should we do next?

And I thought, well, we should help obese folks because they're struggling. And Kyle goes, no, let's make power 90 harder. So let's just make it extreme. Let's just, like, I want you to spend a whole year doing research. And originally it was going to be six routines. And I said, do we need more?

We need something, we need to be like core synergistics, working on proprioception and core work as opposed to just at. And then we also need martial arts something we picked Campo. And then we're going to, you know, I thought 12 was like, what are you doing? 12 routines? How people get a master this? I said, I don't want them to master it. I want them to be confused and look at over their shoulder and go on, holy crap, I want people to work on their weaknesses more so than their strengths. So people on these yoga people. Oh, yeah, you got to lift weights now and you bodybuilders you got to do cardio and yoga and core work which you've never done and so we took all spectrums of the universe and got them to do stuff that they would have never done and we added the humor and

and and good casting and Millions and millions of those so I was able to put furniture in the house and they were able to buy a couple of nice cars and buy a place in Jackson and live in the dream. And that was a 20 year run and we did P90X2 and P90X3 in 22-meter hardcore and double time and got tons of projects. And I still get railties from all those today.

Oh my God. So you were there from the absolute beginning. I didn't realize that. It was Carl, John, me, Debbie Severs, and this woman, Heather, who was their secretary. I was never an employee. I was always a higher gun, so was Debbie. But it was like they were in a closet. They were in a tiny little room and they would rent the camera equipment and hire was Debbie. But it was like, they were in a closet. They were in a tiny little room, and they would rent the camera equipment

and hire outside people. There was no in-house, anything. Now it's all in-house. There's, I don't know, hundreds employees and there's two huge buildings. And they just went public beach-body-doodle. Yeah. Right?

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So you actually created P90X, like you were actually the creator of it. But Beach By owned it, so you got the royalty from it, because you were like an employee of theirs, basically. I was a contractor. An independent contractor. You know, we come over there and fix lights. I was an outside contractor, but I was part of the community. I had a contract that didn't pretty much

didn't allow me to do anything with anybody else. That was partly the reason why I left, because initially, it was me and Debbie, and then it was me and Debbie and Sean T. Then it was me and Debbie and Sean T and Shalene. Then it was me and Debbie and Sean T, right? So all of a sudden, I'm sitting around waiting my turn. You know what I mean? I like that. Okay. You know, and I did that. I did that routine for 20 years. And then other trainers,

I thought, should be getting as much attention as me, we're getting more time, getting more programs. And I just began to scratch my head and go, something's up here, man. Look, and I look without beach body. I mean, I'd be living in a van down by the river, you know what I mean? I don't think so. But you're doing pretty good. I mean, that was it. I mean, without them, there's no way without me, they wouldn't be who they are either today. So, no, you put them, I think, I think, anything, you also help put them on the map. That program, it wouldn't have had the same success if it didn't have the talent behind it because you brought the personality

that made that program successful or else it would have been like every other program out there. But then they started to do all these, like now they have so many of these trainers on there. And I don't even know what the programs are. Like, is it because the times have changed and evolved and there's now so much content everywhere that you just don't hear about it anymore? Or is it that it's just, it's more, and it's now diluted? Because like, besides you and the insanity program with Sean T, which is another good one,

that, like, I feel like it kind of lost some kind of, you know, is it just because like I said, there's just so much out there now? You think? Partially, I think that's certainly part of it. It is diluted. I mean, you look at beach body, they've got, you know, I don't know how many trainers. So many.

And then like, tonals got, you know, they hire a trainer every half an hour over there. Yeah, they do. I know every afternoon. Not exactly. And a lot of these companies feel like, Tonal's got, you know, they hire a trainer every half an hour over there. Yeah, they do, I know, every afternoon is exactly. A lot of these companies feel like if we saturate our platform with dozens and dozens of trainers, that'll draw more people because different strokes, different folks, right?

But no one has risen. There hasn't been like that Jack Lillane figure or Arnold like figure or me or Sean. You know, it really hasn't. I mean, you have social media people, but I think is the model now not to have a star, just to have a lot of content. And like you said, different strokes for different folks, not to like build like the A team. Like beach body, you're synonymous. Tony Horton beach body, you know what I mean? Like tonal, I don't know. I mean, is there somebody beside me? Like why I was excited when I had you.

Well, I mean, if you look at tonal, they want more of a generic vibe. And so does beach body now. I mean, you know, they try to make autumn calibri sort of the one, I mean, they know, they try to make autumn calibraries sort of the one. I mean, there's the one that they're the one they put the most energy in. You know, nothing against autumn, but I don't think she, she, uh, good content, stuff, and for everybody, she's got all kinds of different programs for folks. Um, but that superstar trainer,

they're just, you know, it's not the kind of business that generates that type of a personality. It just isn't. I mean, it didn't exist before me and it doesn't really exist now. I don't want to go, what am I doing? You know what I mean? Like there's not a lot of people who can walk and chew gum at the same time in that industry. It's all about the workout and cheering you on. Yeah, good for you.

Yay! And then anybody can do that. All right? But nobody can off the cuff, like, oh, I talked to Theradacl and don't smash your face and whatever, you know, whatever stuff to just, I mean, I was an improv guy. So, you know, you know, that helped you, that better, I mean, listen,

all that experience, have you ever heard this whole thing about borrowed hours? I had this guy on my podcast named James Altasher, do you know who he is? No, no. He's written like 20 books and like he has like a whole thing about borrowed hours that the hours that you've made like the hours that for example you got from your standup, from your acting, from your from all the second city stuff, you can apply those hours to all the fitness stuff that you did for P90 and everything else. In terms of like, like Malcolm Gladwell has this whole 10,000 hours to be, you know, an expert, whatever. But because you had those borrowed hours from all that, that makes you even, that brings in your expertise to such a higher level that now you're like spectacular basically, when someone else doesn't have those hours.

I've never heard that, I haven't heard of him with that term, but that sort of spot on. were basically when someone else doesn't have those hours. That makes sense. I've never heard of him with that term, but that's sort of spot on. I mean, everything I've been able to do is purely based on the thousands of experiences in books, and interactions, and seminars, and workshops, and stand-up, and improv, and all that stuff. You know, I mean, very fortunately, they were just hobbies that just sort of disappeared in the ether. They were things that I, these are all lessons

and activities that allow me to be who I am and be very comfortable in my own skin and be able to think quick off the top of my head and that kind of stuff. And I like, what I wanted to have, I mean, we have these things with the house called the Paragon Experience. And we're having our seventh and maybe final one here in October.

It's anywhere between 24 and 30 people and they come in from around the world. We had a couple come in from Kuwait, which was kind of amazing, amazing. I have a doula who's become a good friend and his wife, Maryam, or just wonderful people. And usually around the States, you know, they come in from everywhere. And those seminars are about, you know, you're tougher than you think. And we bring in experts, you know, we're trying to get Sanjay Gupta to come in.

We don't know if we able to get him enough. But we get some, you know, we get Brandon Brazier, who created Vega and Eristel Hanske, who was in the plywood team, who was in super troopers and all these different kind of movies. Maybe we'll get my friend Tony Kern just to get some really interesting folks. So there's workshops and seminars and competitions on the obstacle course. And it really takes the right average person and exposes them to new and higher levels

of stuff that they're already doing, but they're kind of plateauing and they want them no more. Which is great. We love doing those, but the seminar that I want to do is to take trainers, people who are already fit and know the industry and really teach them how to elevate their abilities, I guess, the best way to put it. And so, like, one of the simple things would be, give them anything, like plumbing or Cirque du Soleil or how to chop down a tree or just random, crazy thing and get up and talk about the key to cutting down a tree without just looking and then get up there and blow

our minds, you know what I mean? Or to sing a song or to do a poem or or tell a joke, whatever, tell a story. And now those are things that I used to do. I mean, I was a C minus student with a speech impediment, I called cluttering. I couldn't put two words together without stuttering and stammering and being overly conscious. And so we moved, I was an army brat and I moved seven times before fifth grade. And so at your speed, your kid with a speech impediment who moves around, so I get to get my nuts busted

seven times before fifth grade. Yeah, I'm surprised, you know, I'm not in a home. But that's just my story. And so I used to read anything, newspaper, books, whatever, out loud to a tape recorder. And I would read a paragraph over and over and over again until I didn't study or stammer. And so that made it really easy for me to learn how to read a teleprompter or do voiceover copy because I was practicing borrowed hours early on in my life.

Yeah, I took two voiceover classes because I just wasn't very good at it, and that helped me a lot. So I stutter and stammer occasionally still. And whatever I do, I make a joke of it so that a little reminder that it's usually because I'm nervous or something. You're on stage in front of 26,000 people. You might stutter there.

But now, my biggest audience, I think, was around almost 28,000 folks. I just get up there and go, hello people. Let's go to work. Let's have some fun. Are you doing fitness for 28,000? Are you doing stand-up for 28,000? You're a combination.

Well, jokes, too. I mean, just whatever comes up, it's not like I have any bits ready in my head. I just, I'm just axillian, like it make people jump and squat and lunge and twist and turn and punch and kick, you know, whatever it is I'm doing up there. But that's the truth, though. Like you basically, you kind of like combined

or both all your skills and one. It just so happens that you're like moving and doing fitness, but you're kind of actually doing standup. You're like, you're like, you're up. You're like, you're presenting. You're like, you are performing in that way, which most people, like, you know, it's all about, like, you know, and I'm sure people ask you this all the time. Like, how does somebody who's like rising up want to stand out? And it's like, well, you have to be unique.

You have to like have a niche. That's my opinion anyway. Sure you would agree. But like, you know, all these things that you've done in your life have made you great at what you're doing and you just kind of like took all of it and kind of combined it into this uniqueness. Yeah, and you're right. I mean, there are others that have done pretty well.

They're rising to the top and there is something, you know, really unique about their delivery. You know, it's queuing too. You have to, through your words, help, because people are down and down dog or they're in some of the position. Look at the screen. So I'm always very conscious of, okay, well you can't see me right now. So here's where my legs are. Here's where my arms are.

Here's how I'm breathing. And if you're somebody who can't do what I'm doing, I'm also going to show you a version that's a little bit easier. So it's a stepping stone to getting better. Duh! Like, yeah, that's how you help people. How many yoga classes and classes I've been into? Where it's just, they're just flying around. All right, we're going to do the commas. Aloo, let's go! Right on left, kick back like, what the, how about the introduction? Are you a coach or just an asshole? Like, why would I want to take this class again?

Because I ain't, I'm just pissed off. You know what I mean? And so- It's so true. That's the difference between a good class and a bad class is good queuing, right? So you can actually follow along. Right.

That's like the secret sauce, too, right? Because you're right. With your downward dog or you're doing a plank and someone's talking to you about what to do and you have no idea, your whole workout screw up. It's fucked up already. You can't do anything. You know you're a good trainer.

When you've got one, two, three, or four different levels in the room and everybody's great workout and everybody feels like you've got something done. It's, you know, if you're teaching a beginner's class, well then, you know, there's your basic rudimentary movements and you talk that way to them. And if you got a bunch of, you know, bad asses in the room, you know how a beginner's class, well then there's your basic rudimentary movements and you talk that way to them. And if you got a bunch of bad asses in the room, you know how to crank them up, but can

you, you know, that's the best training for a trainer or a coach or whatever a mentor is, oh, okay, I got all levels in the room. All right, everybody, here's the movement. Let me show you another one. Buh-buh-bah, and you take, you know, you don't want to take an hour trying to explain that because people are standing around going, okay, I you're like, I want to have between moves. You just want to say, here it is, but Bob, hands feet, the boo, do us slow it down, decrease the range of motion, make sure you breathe, you want to take a break,

take a break, stand there, watch everybody else mock and throw things at them, who cares? Let's go! And then you need, all right, and then I'll, and then when you've got people on the stage, just like you do with a video, Sally's here, she's gonna turn things down. I'm gonna get an eyeball her, all right? Forget about Victor, he's on crack cocaine over here, all right? He's full of meth, meth, meth and meth and meth and meth. So don't even, he's gonna explode, okay? Unless you got that going on, then check out Victor, all right?

Cause you're gonna be saturated, all right? You know, keep it saturated, all right? So whatever, so you got your yellow hardcore. And then I'll scream in the L.A.J. And it'll be fun. No, that's true. Who do you think is good these days? Like, who do you think is a really good, I mean, even though you're like to your point, there's not anybody who is like a star star anymore like that, but who do you think is really good? I will say, I will say, I don't agree with a lot of Sean T's products. I think

in sanity was properly named because if you want your knees to explode that's the program for you. Oh, I know. Like it's just who does like legs five days a week. What? But as far as being prepared, being a motivator, being entertaining, being committed to the quality of the work, he's a fire, he's a fire brand man, he's awesome that way. Yeah, you know what I mean? And a lot of times it was Beachbody gave him something that maybe, you know,

that wasn't necessarily good for other people. And hey, you can get jacked up doing P90X and X2. X2 is probably the hardest fitness program I remember created. It's just there are. Is it? Yeah. I've never done that one. Get on X2 woman. You're going to be you're going to be P90X2. I've never even heard of that. You're doing push-ups on four medicine balls. All right. Who's doing that? Is that did that one do well? It didn't do as well, but professional, Olympic, collegiate, athletes, and coaches would come to me and said, change my career,

change. I went from being in the cellar, made my team do P9X2. We were number one in our division like that. Like my lower back, one guy said to me, my lower back was, I'm going to have to have plates and pins and, well, I did P90X2 totally rehab my lower back. There was a upper and lower post activation potentiation series in there that was state of the art fitness. And you're doing a push up on a med ball, and you feel on a stability ball. You feel down on the ground.

So talk about stability work, core work. Yeah, that thing was a monster, levers, lick levers. You're not gonna pull up, you're a top of a bar, and now you're going, arms are out, and body is parallel to the ground. It took me four months to learn how to do one and you know I put that in the damn program figured out. You know, and a lot of people have never figured out but it is- Did you work with people to help you like coaches to help your program?

Oh yeah. A lot of it I had known because after P9X I was evolving anyway. I spent a lot of time with my friend Chuck Gaylord, who was a nighttime all-American gymnast. His brother Mitch won gold and silver and bronze in 84 Olympics. So whenever I was hanging around with people, especially the, you know, I went from Camp O to Mix Martial Arts, I never got on the ring with anybody, because you know, I don't know. Exactly. They don't want to ruin your beautiful face.

One maker is not good. Yeah, I don't need to get punched. Yeah. I'm a pacifist anyway. But yeah, so I added sprawls and elbows and claws and down strikes and all these kind of new, more dramatic movements and things that you see in mixed martial arts. And so, you know, you're always learning and transforming. I think the reason why a lot of trainers aren't successful is because they're good at

Pilates, but nothing else. They're good at yoga and nothing else. Their bodybuilders wouldn't add a particular cardio program to say it relies. They think Pilio and cardio are the same thing and they're not even close. One is hit training and one is just sustained, elevated heart rate. There's a difference. You got to know the free good difference. And if you're going to introduce people

to really difficult hard things, you've got to show levels. You've got to show, like if this new program called the Power 4, we're going to say, hey, some of you're going to power up, some of you're going to power down. And you've got to know the difference. And here's what power down looks like, and here's what power up looks like.

And we also put stop options in these hour-long routines. Now, P90X, half of of flow yoga class was 90 minutes. So everybody skipped it. They went for a run or they would stretch and skip. That's what I did. I didn't do those ones because I didn't like them. What if you had two other specific places where you could call it quits, fast forward to the end or cool down.

And so like duh. So almost every except we have some shorter routines, what's called cardio 24, it's 24 minutes. There's no stop-shamp option there, but it's start me. Done, you know what I mean? So that's what you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, the cardio 24 is on the beach spot,

is that new? That's all new, that's the brand new. Do I even have what the hat here was for? Wait, where would I, so where would someone like, where would I find the power, what's it called, power four, right? Power four. And is it like, can you describe it, like is it like a three day program, a five day program,

like describe it how it's different than let's say, a P90X in the sense that, do I put in like, where would I find it, like, what would I do? Well, you would have had to be like a Tony Horton fan, a PC and auto on my fan page. Then you would have seen notice after notice after notice and you would have seen the link to sign up for it. And we got around 2,000, 2,200 people. We were hoping for five or six or eight, but it actually ended up being the perfect

number as far as a test group. They were all paying 29, 95 a month, there were three betas and there was a provisional month in between the betas, meaning at the beginning of the pandemic, we had NASSUN, the sound looks terrible, the lighting was crap, we shot some of them on a phone, right? It was beta, man. So there's no bricks and mortar, there's a pandemic, so you can now watch us with NASSUN, you can take yours off in your house, you can still hear. So, you know, you can now watch us with masks on, but you can take yours off in your house. You can still hear us to something. Really, she can hear me, right?

And so- When you shot it with masks on. Yeah. Yep, we did. Did you shoot it outside? Inside. Oh, it was inside. Oh, okay.

Why didn't you just get a COVID test before? And it's everywhere. You couldn't get them and they weren't reliable. We're talking to the first, the first months of the pandemic, nobody knew anything. You couldn't even find masks. You remember those early lists? Yeah, that's I do.

Oh my gosh. And the main clients of COVID that it was, and a lot of them it was just me, you know what I mean? And we just, you know, oh, carbon dioxide shut up feel like, you know, oh, carbon dioxide, shut up. No, you're not gonna, and now everybody's wearing masks and nobody had that argument that was so important to thousands of people who's now gone

because it was bullshit from the fucking start, excuse my friend. You know what I mean? Like, duh, yeah, oh, the earth is flat. Finally, some people know which row we're in a little planet, there's other ones and there's a sun and we don't, it doesn't revolve around us.

We revolve it, you know, in an age, it's probably aliens, but we haven't really done it. You know what I mean? Like, hello. So that's how we shot the thing, you know, and it's called beta for a reason, right? It was sloppy in the lighting and the sound was funky, but the movements were there.

I mean, it's P90X-esque, but there's a bunch of new routines, and new movements, and new sequences, and there's silliness everywhere, but it's raw. So you got three months of raw, and then we're like, okay, what are we gonna do now? We gotta add some more workouts, so we had a provisional month. So I made a schedule, month one, two, three, two, three, and the schedules were really a mishmash.

It wasn't like follow these things the same week. P90X was, you know, here they are.'t like follow these things the same week like P90X was You know here. There they are here. They are again the second week here. They are in the third week and then you get a recovery week Uh-huh. It is all over the place just like I train at my age and that was really different for people Oh, I get a stop here after 20 minutes even though the routines an hour long. Oh, okay, but there's a second stop option Maybe I'll keep going maybe I'll go to the end. So we just kind of created some new elements that didn't exist. So I've never seen that in a program before. Yeah, so I like it. No, I, I, I, I mean, I don't know. I'm like the Dr. Jekyll of this stuff. I just

What, how do you get more people in the fray? How do you get more people successful? Right, that's it. It's like, why keep doing, like, my workout this morning, my shoulders and arm, never did that workout before, never, first time ever, made it up on the spot. What did you do? We did four sets of modified pike presses, elevated pike press.

So I had a couple of parallels, had our booty in the air a little bit, and instead of doing a pipe press like this, it was half push up, half pipe, so that the bars lined up with a collarbone. So it was really heavy interior dealt upper packs. So you felt it, it's just a weird. So normally if I could do 50 push ups, I could barely get 25 of these, purely based on the If I could do 50 pushups, I could barely get 25 of these. Clearly based on the angle, my body and my asping in there, four sets of that, then we did, let me do a second, four sets of handstand pushups, but limited range of motion so we get more reps.

You kick up to the wall and you do in a little squatting one. So wherever your maximum rep is and then locking out and holding for maximum time, four sets of that. Never did that before. Not exactly that. What was the third shoulder? I can't remember. So that was eight and it was 12 more. I can't remember the third one because I just made it up downstairs.

And then we did, we lighted the bench, inverted bench, hanging over the top. So here's the top of the bench, here's my chin, and doing preacher curls like that, so that the weights had to come up, to either side of the bench, hanging. Now I've done that somewhere, somewhat, but haven't done it a while. And then we did some, I have, on the total,

I made up this crazy tonal tricep move, where I brought the arms all the way to the top and really close together and put the two handles on there and then and then did way back right so the arms are normally normally never next to each other so I did a bunch of extensions and then we did single arm inverted incline curls so you're lying on it you're almost level and you're doing it your time. Which there's more time and retention that one arm is getting that big stretch. And then we did another tricep move on the tunnel that I just made up on the bar. I did close grip. Yeah. Our tricep extensions. Yeah. So just some weird.

Say we like compete. Do people just show up whenever? Like this is like a layered hamlet. On Sunday, on Sundays, I invite around 12 people to show up here for a four-hour upper body pegboard, rope, parallel bars, ninja course, fingertip pull ups, handstand pushups, bear crawls, nightmare. It's, nightmare. It's a nightmare. Did you say four hours?

Well, it's four hours because if, well, it's not four. Four is if all 12 show up. Because only one or two people can do the exercise at a time and the rest of it, we're going like, so you're maxing out, you're doing, like one of the opening moves is 25 foot rope, no feet. If you can, I use your feet. You use it. Maximum pull-ups at the bar at the top,

and then no feet coming down. That's just one. Most people can't get halfway up the rope. It's their done. They can do it to the top. Right? So you've got to, so I just say, hey, do what you can do. You know, get ahead.

Do your best for your the rest of it. So get off the rope, and then we'll do, once called dip walk dip. So I have parallel bars in the backyard. So you do maximum rope and then, and then we'll do, one's called dip walk dip. So I have parallel bars in the backyard. So you do maximum dips on once, or whatever, you pick a number, and you pick a number, and then you go walk down the parallel bars on your arms,

you have to do the same number of dips on the other side, then you walk backwards, which is hard, and then you have to do that same number there. So let's say it's eight dips, dips walk eight dips walk eight dips. Most people get up there can't do a dip. So they're kidding. I mean they said who do you have coming over? They all levels of fitness then like all the people who who when they some number are pretty fit and they show up on a Sunday and they can't do anything. They just like oh wow this is I had bodybuilders here who lift the house who can't do any of the exercises

that I've been doing here. These are like hard, what you're saying? These are not easy exercises. You're not doing bench press anymore. You're not doing triceps extensions anymore. You're not doing push-ups anymore. You're not doing the stuff you're doing in your house. This is skill-based athletic training where you're doing primary, secondary, tertiary,

and eyebrows to get through the damn moves. You know what I mean? These are exercises that take weeks and months to learn how to do a wreck. Right? That's just, and so this one guy, Andrew, who is an overweight character actor, shouldn't have, you know, like, what are you doing here? And then he couldn't do anything.

And then he came again, again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and then he came again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and he's doing my programs of P90X and X3 and good to meet you soon and now last week he's like this he's a C6 III he's this lean stride it's sinewy, monster. It's crazy. The more you do the better you get. And if you're not good at something at the beginning, perfect, keep going.

Keep going. You want to be apt, you know that there's a lot ahead of you when you're horrible at something when you start. But bowling, what if you're bowling, you're bowling 80, right? What if you're bowling like five times a week and had an instructor, you learn to step, you'd be a good baller. Like all of that bowling, because you never do it, right? Why are you good at eating, because you do it all day long, every single day.

Why are you good at paying your bills, because you like a roof over your house, so you pay those bills and you go to work and you do that all the time, all the time. Everybody's doing all the things that they need to do all the time so that they can survive. But the drivers, the people who are living large and taking charge and find the pursuit of happiness, right? They are next level, food, fitness, mindfulness,

taking the right supplements, keeping their cortisol levels down, little meditation, right? Like, their shit is so together, it's not about them anymore. Personal development is really about figure out how not to be a bonehead and a loser and a liar and a procrastinator and a douchebag. Like, get of that guy for gal and then go do other stuff that's hard, that's going to take some time which is transitional, so you can go kick ass.

Right? And so now when you're kicking ass, not about you anymore. It's about what can I do based on my expertise and my adventure on this planet so I can share that with others who can have what I have. That's, boom, that's right here. That's bottom of the knife. Bases are loaded and that ball's coming in slow motion. You can hit that ball so hard out of the park. It's going to go over, it's going to land in the water and they're going to have to find it. 20,000 leagues under the sea. That's life.

If you're willing to get out of this survival mode, work and eating, drinking, watch the ball game, potato chips, your shirt, like sad. Why am I sad? Because you life sucks. That's right. Because you're afraid. You know what I'm saying? Like, come on man, let's go. Let's go. We got place to go people meet things to do Because he was life birth, school, work, death Oh look look at him. Oh He died at 62 huh and his whole life was a joke

bomber And going to be me. Sorry This is that you just made me the greatest teaser, by the way. That whole diet try, so look, that is like perfect. And you're welcome. That's amazing. You should be putting that on your, on your, on your Facebook page or whatever you have there

because it's for you, it's just for you and nobody else. That was amazing. But by the way, why are you doing upper body and not lower body on Sunday? Lower bodies on Wednesday. When you come here on a Wednesday and you think you're gonna walk on a Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, forget about it, because you're not.

You're gonna use your body weight and you're gonna go north and you're gonna go south, you're gonna go east and you're gonna go west. And it's plio and it's just you and me and whoever else show I invite 25 30 people to plio you know how many show up last week two you know why because it's a monster It's a monster and and when you know you haven't done it week after week after week You know, I mean we do 180 we do a hundred eight degree jumping flying plyo jumps and things. And so you modify, you don't go as deep, you do less reps, but what happens to people is

they get caught up in the collective energy of everybody who's been doing it. I've been doing some version of this routine for 17 years on Wednesday night and you come in cold, right? And you see what the hell we're doing. How many 50 reps of that? Are you freaking 60, 100 reps of that? What is that? You know, hello, look at this.

This is, I haven't lifted weights with my legs in 35 years. That's my leg, right? No way. I'm it. I'm it. I'm it. All right, the lighting's terrible in here. I see it anyway.

I see the striations. By the way, I saw your legs on tonal. I see it You're very muscular. You don't even have to brag again here. It's very obvious. Well, I'm I'm 63 very insecure I have a huge ego and most of what I do is face and fear so that combination Makes me want to stand up and show you my I saw them a minute. I me want to stand up and show you my. I saw them a minute. I like to, I'm by the way, you have done weights because you do the tonal weights when you do the video because I have to follow along and do your goblet squat

and do all these other things that you do. But you do basics. What's that? You do basics on tonal. Yeah, I mean, I do those on tonal because those programs require that and that's for the tonal audience. But for me at home, I don't use the total or dumbbells at all for my legs, I don't. I mean, that's amazing. Well, I'm saying, win a case.

So what time on Wednesdays? When can I, I'm literally, when can I come over out for the lower body? Five, 30 Wednesday nights will be done on it. Okay, am I allowed to go like, if I like it, can I go again? Well, we have to see if we like you. Oh, so if I don't like jive with the group,

then yeah, I won't be invited back. I think you'll jive, I gotta feeling about it. I mean, because I mean, this is like, this is like next level, next level. So you go for four hours on a Wednesday and four hours on a Sunday. Four out four, Sunday. Sunday's an anomaly.

It's just a fitness fest. You know what I mean? And we all gather, we get here at 9 o'clock, and I have a grease board, and every week I come up with a new sequence. And I try to come up with new movements. I'll just sit down and go, okay. What if we do bear crawls down the side stairs backwards with two pushups on every stairs. Oh my god. Try that. So you're going backwards upstairs, two pushups, two pushups, two pushups, right? And the stairs are like that. They're steep as hell. That's one. And then we have Ninja 1, we have Ninja 2, we have Ninja Next, which is free for all. You know, there's a whole Ninja course in the back of the way. If you follow me online, you've seen that

thing in the back yard. I have seen that your your backyard's great. Yeah, I mean there are there are four places to play on my property. In the gym, the high bar, 25 foot rope, parallel bar section, also the other 17 foot rope, pull up pegboard section, and then there's the ninja course section. So the whole thing, and I want to do another one. I want to put in a little sport court where I can play pickleball or whoop or something. That's a big project. So that's Sunday.

Monday is cardio, which is what I did yesterday. So I invited seven people, one came, Brian came. So it's three minutes on the stationary bike, three minutes on the versatile climber, three minutes on the treadmill, three minutes on the row, or three minutes on the rope, three minutes on the ski machine,

and then in one hour. Just like, and then we just switch, switch, switch, switch. Go on, try to keep our heart rate up. So 20 seconds in between, little simple water. So we're just, you know, cranking and inverse the climber crank and then treadmill, three minutes, let's go. And then roll it. Wham, three minutes. And then jump rope, boom, boom, boom, boom,

three minutes. And then the ski machine, wham, wham, wham, and then, we just, you know, we just set the timer. And when one hour is up, usually we'll go an hour, three, hour, four, you know, just so if we're on the machine right at the hour mark, we have to finish that. That last three. So you only do cardio on Monday? Incorrect.

So we do Tuesday, shoulders and arms, which was that thing I made up today. Wednesday is pli, which is cardio alike, but it's really a hit training. It's, it's breaks because there's so much muscle of recruitment, it's often down stuff, you know what I mean? You're jumping, you're squatting, you know, one is a side lunge, jump shot, side lunge, jump shot.

That's another, you know, there's 20 moves, and the lowest rep count on all those 20s, 30 reps, and the highest is 100 reps, in summer 40, 50, summer 60, right? And there's breaks there because you are a thing and puffing in between. Thursday's Chesterback typically has been, it's just pull ups and push ups and a lot of tonal.

We're doing a lot of incline bench press with a tonal and usually we'll do a body weight and a tonal or a dumbbell and we'll rotate those. But I'll walk in the room and go, we're doing a 500, we're doing 500 pushups today. You know what I mean? Or we have one called triple trouble challenge where you do three sets of pushups

and the three sets have to be the exact same number. So if you pick 20, you gotta do 20 the first set, the second set and the third set. And then you have to pick that number for pullups. And you go back and forth, you do your three and you do your three in the pullup and you three more put and three until 24 sets are up and you're usually pretty trash. Friday is something called balls and boxes but because I have planar fasciitis right now I've only I haven't been able to have it. So there's a lot of

pliobox jumping, a lot of stability will work on a stability balls and you go back and forth core legs, core legs, core legs, core legs. You do 10 exercises and then you take enough time to do this and then you do them again. And then Saturday's yoga, always yoga. Usually an hour and a half and I have been to a class in 18 months, so I do it at home, which is kind of boring. You do it. Are you leading the class? I lead, well, I do it at home by myself or Sean will join me, or I'll do it live on Facebook.

Who's Sean, is that your wife? That's my wife, yeah. Okay, the wife of six years. Correct. Is she a fitness fanatic too? No, no, no, no, she does what she does. She does orange theory and she's got some, she's had some back issues for the last couple.

She's in the midst of you getting injections and doing a gosky. I don't know if you're familiar with a gosky or not. No, what is that? A gosky was a physical therapy sequence that changed this day to day. It just helps align minute helps symmetry from right side to left side.

You know, it's just an incredible. It's been around forever. Leetravino and Jack Nicholas, all these early golfers, they're just thinking of Gasky to help improve their golf swing as they got older. And it's a godsend for a lot of people, but still they don't have a huge media thing where they're trying to sell that to anybody. Oh, actually this Gask a gasket, um, coaches speaking at Paragon, which I think is going to blow people's minds. Um, that is, that is, uh, Saturday and then Sunday. So I schedule seven days a week, but I'll skip one or two, you know what I mean? It's always five, sometimes it's six and it's rarely seven. Because if you schedule five, you'll probably,

all these you three, you know what I mean, or four, but if you schedule seven, you'll probably only do three, you know what I mean, or four. But if you schedule seven, the goal is you look at your calendar and at the end of the month, you should have 22 workouts. If you don't, you might have sold yourself short. 15 is 15 on, it's 15 days off. So it's like throwing yourself down a set of stairs and you get sore, but nothing really happens, you know. The idea here is to be consistent, like we do with breathing and eating and walking

and seeing and work, you know, all the survival things. But you want your thrive things. I'll give you a day off to thrive. So one day off. So in your brain, in your mind, 22 days of working out, 15 is kind of like you're doing it, but you should kind of push for a little bit more. You're just never going to get, you're never going to get what you want. You're never going to get as strong as you want, you're never going to get as flexible. There will be improvements, right? I mean, you don't have to read a book 10 times to absorb it, but you probably know what

get a lot more out of the book if you did. You know what I mean? So you want to just do things often. You know, like 20, how about injury? How about injury? Like everything you're saying, like as you get older, this is what's amazing to me when you're talking. You're doing days of work, you're doing work that,

like do you have zero injuries? Like no knee problems. I have planned a stage show. I just now first I've had that in 10 years, which is, but that's not even serious. Yeah, you have to kind of, like yesterday's, I jumped and wrote, was a problem running in the treadmill, was a problem.

Yeah. I could kind of get my, so that I just would ice it up and roll it out and all that kind of thing. You know, first of all, a variety is the key, right? You don't do legs two, you don't do legs two days in a row. You don't do everybody two days in a row. Like, look at the sequence. Sunday is up for money. do like two, you don't do legs two days in a row, you don't do everybody two days in a row. Like look at the sequence. Sunday

is upper body. Monday is lower body cardio. Tuesday is we're back to upper body. So I've had, I've had 24 hours to let that heal. And then plio lower body. And then Justin back, upper body, Friday, balls and boxes, lower body, yoga, recovery, right? It's everywhere, and you can make it as hard or easy as you want. And then Sunday, we're back to upper body. And then you also don't have to hit a home run every time, I, hey, man, like last Tuesday, energy was really low.

I shot 25 workouts in two weeks, and when Tuesday rolled around, I was just aching. I was like, oh, no, no real injuries. Just fatigue and soaring tired. So I just lowered the weights up the reps. Took it really easy, you know what I mean? So it's called active recovery, right? Well, for bike ride, if you're wasted, go for bike ride, or do a 20-minute stretch, or do yoga

first thing on an on when you get up, chop out of bed. Not everything has to be, you know, has to, you have not winning the Olympics every time you work out. It doesn't have to be that. And that you're doing real, you're doing real like muscle confusion, like you're doing, you really are doing everything. Because I don't want to get hurt. I don't want to get bored and I don't want a plateau.

And most people stop doing what they're doing because they get hurt and because they plateau and because they get bored. So today, I said, I turned to Scott, the one guy I shot up this morning, I said, dude, I'm making this thing up. What are we gonna do? Let's get the bars, let's put our feet up on a thing.

Let's do this. I want to feel this. So let me, I've done a version, I'm making this thing up. What are we going to do? Let's get the bars. Let's put our feet up on a thing. Let's do this. I want to feel this. So let me, I've done a version. I've done pipe presses. And I go, let's just score around here. I go, do you feel that? It goes, oh my god. Yeah, I go, then we're in the right body position.

Like, we had to adjust our feet a couple inches in both directions. Like, instead of going down like this, we had to make sure that it was an actual pushup for the weight of that because of our buttony air, and just playing, right? I'm just playing with it with stuff. I'm not like, okay, there's the move, let's do the move.

There's the move again, let's do it like Sam, it was like last week, the week before that week before that. No, man. You know what I mean? Like the Sunday thing, like what he hadn't been here in months, he was the first move, there's 25 foot rope and max pull ups and then down. Yeah, yeah it is. You know what?

Because we can. Because we can. He goes, oh my god, you're making this thing so scary. One move is you go off the pegboard, which takes you about 12 feet off the ground. Then you climb a beam, basically, with your arms. You can use your legs if you need them all the way to the top of a 17 foot rope. There's a bell up there, but the bell isn't near the rope. You have to extend out and hit the bell.

Then you come back to the row, you go down the rope, then you go back up the rope, and oh yeah, you got to ring the bell again. Then you got to go back down the beam, and then the pegs are where you left them, and then you bring them all the way to the opposite corner, and you have to reach up with one arm, grab the pull-up bar, but it's not pull-up bar. It's these little handley things at twist and then you do max pull-ups There you go. Do you have women in the Sunday because women's body strength would not be able to do it Marry very few women can do that Sunday. I have a girl dad who's a mixed martial artist who's just Right. Yes, five foot two. She's a friggin sheep. She did our my MMA routine didn't sweat a bead. One hour, not a bead came out of her. So guy next to his

Chris Titus, like he had, he was, he was like swimming but wetter. As a dick contrast, all right, and then our friend Chelsea, who's a former gymnast and cheerleader, just, you know, she's just some, right? Like it's just on trees like this table, everywhere. And that's, and then other people just come and suffer and do partial and, and if you're, if you got the right mindset, which is okay with that,

I'm okay with just hanging and being here and watching and learning. And they're like Andrew, overweight character actor. He ain't watching to learn it anymore. He's teaching lessons. That's amazing. You don't do not Sunday, everything else. You said Wednesday, do 530, or all the other workouts at night morning like what is the I'm I'm very based on my schedule and then you don't have a cookie morning routine. No no no man. I mean ideally in a perfect world get up I have a snack whatever chill out watch some TV, read a book, work out at 11 a.m., have another meal,

I'm gonna shake, go to bed early, drink some water. That's not the real world, the real world is, oh, I gotta get my ass up and go to work. But Tony's having to work out at 7.30 either, I go or I don't. And then, oh, now his next work has a 5.30 p.m., but then that's what he's having, based on his schedule, so either show up or I don't. And that's just life Right, so what's the most ideal people say? What's the most ideal time to work out the time that you know that you'll show up That's the most ideal time because if you don't have a job and you're rich

Then whatever you want to do, you know, I mean Right, I think I live in the world You got to figure it out. You got to do it five to six days a week It's not gonna make it harder for you, because the Kathy got up at the crack of dawn in the dark and did it the dark, and fed her kids, kids off to work, and then she went to work.

And she go, if you had to go to work on a bus, then a car. So we're kind of 4'30s, I-O, in Minnesota, it's freaking 49 degrees down there, and you're gonna go, kids gotta get it, I just, it's freaking 49 degrees down there, and you're going to get, oh, kids, got to get it. I just did pile for an hour and get you up, and I'm also five foot nothing and I'm overweight, but I'm going to freaking do it.

Again and again and again and again. So what's your excuse, whoever you are out there with your baloney excuse, so? I agree with that. Now, vitamin water just dropped a new zero sugar flavor called with love. Get the taste of raspberry and dark chocolate for the all warm, all fuzzy, all self-care, zero self doubt you. Grab a with love today. Vitamin water zero sugar, nourish every you.

Vitamin water is a registered trademark of glass O. That now that you're rich though, what is your habits? Like what do you do now with all that P90 money? What is your, what do you do from morning until night? What are your habits to look like that, to be like that? We know you work out, that schedule is insane and now it makes sense. That's why you're so ripped though still because because you truly are doing everything in that week. But then wait, how long are you working out? So besides the Sunday, is everything else like an hour,

two hours, I know Monday you have that hour cardio. I would. It's Jennifer, correct? Yes, it is Jennifer. It's not Jen, I want to call you by the wrong way. You can call me either, I don't care. Yeah, J Queen. What can I call?

That's perfect. I love it. Yes. J Queen. The J Queen. That's your new nickname, by the way. Thank you. Letterhead.

It's going to be right there. I love it. They take as long as they take depending on, you know, I always give myself a couple hours, except for Sunday where I give myself four. Those you usually come in around three and a half give or take unless there's a big crew then it's you know we start at nine 10 11 12 1 people start going home at one and nine 10 11 yeah it's they're four hours they're never not they're never

three and a half oh my kidding they're four hours are you serving snacks or like yeah I have a snack basket I usually have three different kind of snacks. And we usually take the mid point, like the eighth set. We usually, like, front of mind to make in these things called, his last name is Morgan. So M-O, they call them M-O-N-A-D's, which we think is not a good name. Not the greatest, no. Or M-O-B-I-T's, or M-Oites or mo-bars, or we're trying to come up with some form. Okay.

That was the just basic, some complex carbs, some chocolate chips, and some rolled oats, and a little bit of protein powder, and they make it look like little mini hockey pucks. Or I just have like a vague bar in there, and some mixed seeds, depending on what people want. And yeah, people are sipping, and they've, they've got electrolytes and they've got whatever they got in their little containers. I usually, once I do, I do a massive shake, first thing on the Sunday morning.

It's bigger than that. It's bigger than that. What do you put in your shake? I want to know every, I want to know every habit. Every daily habit. I freeze frozen blueberries, raw organic peacons, raw organic walnuts, baby kale, baby spinach. Enough ice cubes to make it frothy like a milkshake.

My brand new power life plant based chocolate protein powder with HMB and vitamin D. Another product of mine, power life called foundation 4, which is probiotics, prebiotics, two servings of vegetables, sun fiber, and a lot of magnesium. Go hell, gorgeous. That was good. Power Life. Power Life woman. Step on, if you go to power a good or my power life calm

And anybody who's listening and including yourself 30% off if you put in the code Tony 30 which will save you some bread and you also save money when you buy more than one But if you come here to the house, I might have one for you Are you fighting everybody or just me? No, golly. No, I got a pretty big back here, but not that big And then yeah, I put all that and then I put up unsweetened organic vanilla flax seed milk in there and then Gobble gobble and now it goes, you know flax seed milk, huh? Yeah organic Yeah. Fluxy milk, huh? Yeah. Organic, non-sweetened, unsweetened vanilla, fluxy milk.

A lot of people have problems with oat milk and they have problems with almond milk. And I did, and I don't have problems with this one. So, I mean, I'm vegan, and also, no wheat, no soy, no corn, no dairy. Now wheat, soy, corn, and dairy are vegan ingredients, but not for me. So that's all based on the blood work. I get blood work every six months, nine to 12 vials come straight out of the vein.

And then I get sit down with my endocrinologist nutritionist, either via Zoom or on the phone and go, well, here's your number, here's your cholesterol, here's your hormones, here's your estrogen, here's your testosterone, here's your free testosterone, here's your vitamin well, here's your number, here's your cholesterol, here's your hormones, here's your estrogen, here's your testosterone, here's your free testosterone, here's your vitamin D, here's your vitamin K all the way through. She goes, you know what, you might want to up your omega's a little here and you might want to, I think you're taking too much D, so every month we just alter it and I think

that a lot of it has to do with, it's about inflammation, man. It's about okay. So you're just trying to keep that down. And with a plant-based diet, you know, no bags under the eyes, nothing, pretty good. Those are my glasses. You know what I mean? It's just that inflammation is bad. Obees people live with constant inflammation from their hair to their toenails, 24-7, and somehow they survive.

And that's when you get rid of that inflammation in your joints, in your brain, in your spine, in your knees, in your joints, you know, it's like it's a magic, it's a miracle almost. But you have to know what you have to know what to do, which means you've got to cut out all the crap you've been eating and start to move again or for the first time. And then you've got to get rid of your crappy friends and you have to learn how to breathe. And the breathing. And the breathing. But for recovery then, okay, so what are your things that you do for recovery and for your

food? So the power life protein is what you do in the morning. What do you eat throughout the day if it's vegan? What are you eating? And are you doing the infrared sauna? Are you doing red light? Are you doing walking on the grass for your feet? What's your...

I'm in infrared sauna, so I use that as part of my recovery, which was a lovely gift from a Sun. Oh, Sunlighten. Sunlighten. Thank you, Sunlighten. If there is watching, it's gold. They have different sizes, different colors and shapes. Beautiful. There's TV in there and there's internet in there. You know, it's pretty... You have a TV in your infrared? It comes with it. It comes with a little screen. I have a clear light, which I thought was a really good one, and I don't have a TV in mind. That's on the light and you got tees in there. It's like, yeah, you can watch videos and listen to Pandora or your own playlist, whatever

it's nice in there. There's different kinds of lights that you can do in there. There's red light that does something. Whatever, so I have that. I foam roll. I foam rolled last night. I have a little sciatic. I have three different Thera guns so

Do you have a hypervolt use hypervolt? I was Thera gun and there's a new company called fours F.O.R. S and It's compact which is nice it travels really well It also has a hot and cold option. It has a, and it changes almost instantly by pressing a button. It doesn't get hot, you don't want to burn yourself. It doesn't get cold, you don't want to freeze, you know. But it's literally next level, right?

TheraGun's cool, the other brand you're talking about is cool. But the original TheraGun's like, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. Anyway, Bill, I'm on a tackle. You're off your TheraGun is like, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. Anyway, Bill, I'm a technically, you drove off your TheraGun, but God, thanks, it sounds like a jackhammer. Yeah, it's unbelievable. It's like moves like that too, it's unbelievable.

TheraGun though has the new pro, quiet, multiple options on it, multiple, yeah, it's really, it's evolved, like a lot of other things evolve. So originally, it was just a jigsaw. Yeah, it's really, you know, it's evolved like a lot of other things evolve. So originally it was just a jigsaw. Yeah, it was crazy. You could literally like put a different thing, I could cut some wood with this original one. Exactly. That's automatic.

The breathing techniques are really important. You know, I go for bike rides, that's my mindfulness practice, so I go for a little like mellow walk run on the trails behind my house. Emce and Salt Bads are critical whenever I'm really needing that. We happen to have a jacuzzi tub which is kind of nice, nice big ol' one, so I put in two cups of whatever kind of some salts I want to put in there and I hang out in there and I play some music, I turn the lights off and I just chill, that's really important. And sleep, I get really great. I'm a mouth taper now If you're not familiar with what that is you read James Nester's book and you go what?

Breathing through your mouth is about one of the worst things you can do. You never see people like driving on these look over That's all they do like this thing you must have cut it off because now you're not using it. That is for eating, this is for breathing. So I tape it and I use medical tape every night to keep my mouth closed. But why? Where's the benefit? What is it do? Well, it's a higher quality of oxygen that you're using. You're using the filtration and all these amazing, there's millions of these little filters

through the nose and sometimes people's nose are just shut down they stop working. And so it's for, it's for, when you breathe through your mouth, the dirt, the bacteria, the disease, the viruses go straight to your lungs. When you breathe through your nose, it gets filtered and it actually goes into your stomach. And when you go into your stomach, the stomach acids kill all that crap, right? Mouth lumps, nose, stomach, it's science. It's amazing. So there was a guy who wrote, he did in James Nestor's book, he talks about this guy back in the mid-1800s who wanted, who was a government portrait painter, very talented, very talented

lawyer. But he just figured before we murdered all the Native Indians that we should go meet all these people and learn a thing or two from them because he had a sense that they had knowledge that the white man didn't have. None of them were mouth-breather's and there was just one tribe in the Midwest called the McCann tribe. All six foot men and women, blue eyes, blonde hair, Indians, and breathing through your mouth was almost a sin.

Like they would wrap their children's mouths at birth and force them to use their noses. They didn't even like to smile or laugh because of the intake of 1800 Indian trials in the McCans. So that was just one of many studies. And in Nester talks about breathing patterns, I mean there's meditation, but there's breathing patterns that give people benefit without prayer, without meditation. Just one of the ones that I practice regularly, I got out of this book, this helped me tremendously. I do it every night before I go to bed,

and I am out cold in the midst of it every time. It's 5.5 breathing, so it's a 5.5 second inhalation. No pause at the top, 5.5 exhalation. So it's easy to exhale in five or six seconds, but to inhale, 1,000, 2, 1000, 3, 1000. Usually most people are full at three-thousand, then you have to. Right, so it takes some time.

Usually you do three and three, then you get to form four. And I do that at night, and man, I literally, before I wake up in pee or have some crazy dreams, or like usually when most people go to bed, traffic, family, you could get a tattoo on his earlobe, what, my floss is an asshole, that you're like, you're doing a tattoo on his earlobe, what the, you know, my floss is an asshole, that you're like, you're doing this,

you can't shut it off, it's pre-dreaming, you know, where you're just like, shut it off. So this technique kind of prevents you because you're focusing on one, two, three, four, five. And then, you know, it doesn't work for everybody right away, but it started working for me like the second night, you know, and that's part of my recovery.

And it's a huge part of my recovery. My breathing techniques. And before mouth knows who cares, you breathe. You're moving on. And like so why does there need to be so much specificity when it comes to breathing? Well, if you're willing to learn and grow from scientists and stuff who study this stuff because that's all they care about, and you practice what they tell you, then you might notice a mild upgrade in the lack of pain and energy. Because most people who are struggling

really it's two things. It's pain and fatigue. It's pain and fatigue. Take away your pain, take away your fatigue, what do you got? You got all the energy and mobility that you need to go out into the world and train hard and live large and go helisky and rock climb and learn stuff and pour a spec ride and have a look back at your life and go, I did all those things. But I've had pain most people, most Americans because they're so inflamed and they're so stressed out, there's all pain and fatigue, right? So yeah, so. That's what you're doing.

The breathing through your, so you tape how long have you been taping your mouth and what have you seen as an improvement? My, my, so here's the thing about that McCann, try. Yeah. Usually what happens to people is they have collapsed palettes. When your mouth breathes, your palate, like if you look at your palette, it's like this inside, right? There's is like that, right? And which I'm not quite, I can't quite remember why that is. Why, as I was gonna say, how is that? My, I don't have bad breath at all anymore, which is kind of fun.

Unless I have bad breath before. Actually, occasionally, because when you're mouth breather, all right, I mean, you're just drying out your throat, you're drying out your lungs, you're drying out your gums, and you're just like your spiders in your mouth, there's no more spiders in my mouth. I mean, you sleep out of the end. Well, like 30 spiders a year, you don't even know it, right?

You do? Yeah, spiders, and oh, I'm just in there, and then you're throat. I don't want spiders, I don't in there, and in your throat, I don't want spiders, I don't want any more spiders in my mouth. I don't know if that's necessarily true, it depends on your climate where you live, you know whatever. But yeah, but hold on, is it hard to get

to ask when you spiders outside? Wait, did you have sleep apnea? Is this to help you? Hi, I would, I would through a sleep study, and I had mild sleep apnea. Now all the doctors and kinks horses and all the kinks men said that mouth and taping your mouth is not going to help your sleep at me go away. Whatever, all I know is I sleep like a baby and I have tons of energy all day.

Most days, not always, sometimes some beat up, but that's whatever. But yeah, so there's that. I know there's so many weird things. Like the quality of my skin is improved a little bit, like this mild, like I used to have really patchy red spots. It is, I mean, it's breath and water. Before you start putting food in your mouth, the quality of every cell in your body

starts with the quality of air and the quality of the water and how much of those two things you're getting. That's really how you, right? Like if you're how much of those two things you're getting. That's really how you, right? Like if you're out, you're stranded, you're out of island and you haven't found a wild border to kill yet or you don't know if those berries are going to kill you or not, you have you have you survived based on breathing and water. That's the basics.

And if your basics are crap, right, you live in your Fukushima or Chernobyl, you know, all right? So we have genetics, which we talked about initially. Then you have behavior and you have environment, all right? So your environment is kind of really, you know, and your environment is external forces and internal, in your reaction, those internal reactions his external forces, right? So bad people, bad air, bad water, bad boss, lots of arguing, right? That's your environment, all right? And then your behavior is fitness and food. That was your behavior and how you treat people, obviously, you know, bad environment, bad

behavior, and you add stress, whatever your inability to be able to, you know, that's how wars are started because like, oh, well, okay. Yeah, I don't, I don't necessarily want your stuff, and you don't want my stuff, so we don't need to go to war and kill tens of thousands of people because you like what I have and I like what you have and I want that. You know what I mean? Like, all right, why don't we see if we can live together? Let's try that. Can I borrow, you know, a basket? No, I'll let you then, you if we can live together? Let's try that. Can I borrow a basket? No, I'll let you then. You can have my bowling ball.

Let's work together. And I don't know. I just pulled out on my ass. But you know what I'm saying? So the thing is, we just have to learn how to, there's a lot of steps here. Like I've covered a lot of ground. There's a lot of things that you need to do.

But if you're willing to grow and you're willing to transform, and you're willing to change, and you're unhappy with where you are, then you got to do something. You have to take some kind of an action. So if you get your environment under control, and you get your behavior in such a place, then you can literally change your genetics in your lifetime. You don't have to wait for your kids and your grandkids. No, your genetics will change. Jack Elaine's dad died at 50 based on his genetics, his behavior, and the environment that he was in, Jack lived to be 96, almost doubled his father's age because he did different stuff. Right. My father died at 80, my mother died at 72. You know, the circumstances which my dad's dire were we don't know but my mother had cancer in Parkinson's but they were they had life was hard you understand it's a battle out there

people out to get you you know what I mean it's a dog eat dog world that's really does it have to be yeah yeah you got it yeah you don't have you don't have to like your work. You got responsibilities. Oh, girl, girl. Really? No, I ain't gonna do that. I don't want to be a salesman. I don't want to be an engineer. I don't want to, I don't want to, I want to do what I want to do.

You know what I mean? And so, you know, what is your, what is your raise on debt? Trap. Most people have no idea. They're doing something else. They're doing something their Most people have no idea. They're doing something else. They're doing something. Their parents told them to do it. They're doing something else.

You know what I mean? Like what I talk about a lot is you have your job. Let's see your job sucks. Then you better find something else that you love. That is counter to this Fad Mojo over here. Right? Right. So, and then there's a great story of a guy who was an accountant.

He was good with numbers And he had a family and kids and he would get go to work every day and get in traffic and go to work And he'd be in his cubicle with his fake little palm for you the corner staring at four walls So I know windows where he had a crunch in numbers And he was good at coworkers that were fine, but he was always at the bike shop on Saturdays and Sundays Honey, I'm gonna go over to Tommy's bike shop. All right, so you're only really fine. And be over there and then customers would go,

hey, do you work here? No, but I can help you. Oh, really? I need a game strain and a ganglorens to fix my fork thing, oh, slag all. Oh, yeah, let me tell you what to do. You want this brand over here. And then the manager's like, dude,

you want to work here because you're here anyway. And you want to work it. And so he goes back to his wife, his wife was cool. Hey, can I work at the, because he's going to pay me and then he worked Saturdays first, and he worked Saturdays in Sundays. And he did, he made plans to hang out with his kids and he said, disappear down the road, but he got discounts on bikes and a family like that. And then he became the assistant manager and then the manager and five years later, he owned the place.

So he had the job he was good at, hated it, got into this hobby thing that he loved, five years later, he owned the bike shop and was making 10 times what he was making as an account. Because he was following when he was actually doing what I loved. His raise on debt, his reason for being, right? And most people, and like here what what's the great here's a great book here Anything go read the magic lamp if you don't know who the hell you are

Go read the magic lamp. I'm trying to think of the author all the sudden. I've done magic lamp the magic lamp. Oh here is keep Ellis Keith Ellis magic lamp. Oh here it is. Keep Ellis. Keep Ellis. Right. And it says goal setting for people who hate setting goals, but really it really like a lot of notes in here, right? So and I underline. How well does that book? I'm actually going to who is that guy still alive? I want to get him on the podcast. You know, on the podcast, man. This is 1998. 1990. What's his name?

The guy who wrote it. I'm sorry, 96, 90, Keith Ellis. Tell him Tony Horton sent it on. I will, I'm gonna say Tony Horton recommended you. One of the cool things about this book is, like let's say you don't know who you're supposed to be or what you're supposed to do. I don't know if it's 10 or 20. You write down 10 things or 20 things you would love

to be like I want to be an astronaut, I want to be the president of the United States, like I want to be a movie star, all right, and and and those 10 things if they were handed to you like boom, right, they make another list of all the things that you want to be if you're willing to work your ass to get there all right so this is this is something for nothing and this is something based on your hard work and then you've got one one and one two two three three all the way down and then you go you have to pick one and one astronaut comedian you got across one amount okay come here and then two and two and you cross them out and then two and two, and you cross them out. And then you got two new lists, and you put them up, right?

And then the list gets smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller. And turns out, you already know what you're supposed to do, you're just not doing it. You've already written it down. And then if you're not happy with the answer, like, you know, sanitation worker, huh, that's weird. You do it again. And at the same two or three or four things keep popping up, that's what you're supposed to be doing. Now you got to go from all the places and the things's what you're supposed to be doing.

Now you gotta go from all the places and the things that you gotta go to go do. You know, stamp collector. Well, maybe you're supposed to own a stamp collection store, but sometimes you get to the list and you go, well, that's not feasible, that's not even a thing anymore, you know what I mean? Maybe they got it.

You could make it a thing. You're making your thing, you know what I mean? Wait, was that, that's a great teaser too. I'm going to have two great teasers now. Is that in the book, the magic lamp, you just said, or is that your thing, those two lists? That's in the book. That's in the book. That's a really great, that's a great one. That's a great idea for people. I have not had an original thought since the day I was born. Everything I did was just a Tony Horton version of something I've already ripped off. P90X, P90X ripped that off. I mean, the push-up. I ripped it off. I didn't invent the push-up.

You see it? No, I was not the first. But what I was able to do, the only thing I did was, I took moves and I altered them and combined things. And I sequenced things differently than I've ever been sequenced before. And I put that workout on day one and that one on day two with the altered names and sequences and moves. Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, right? Like the Kempoh, nobody ever came up with that sequence of punches and kicks before. That was my doing. Right, like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the How about you know what I mean? That's true. You did one move I've never seen to this day

that I've never seen anyone else do, which is very strange. Maybe I just because I'm just like, what was myopic, but you did this like tricep move where you put your arm one down. I rise, try. Right? And you do a tricep push up with one arm, but for your, but you, yeah, it's great.

Did you make that up? Maybe, maybe not. Oh, damn it. I thought you did. This is before the internet. So it wasn't like I could just Google. I know. Yeah.

So did you make it up? Or did you steal it from like, I don't remember. I honestly don't remember it. I mean, I bet you've never even done peanut. I bet you did it and just like, you know, like, pieced out like you just never did it ever again. And now all these people are doing it over and over again

for all these years. You did it. You kind of created it. You taped it. And then you kind of just moved on to the next product, like, think kind of. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I think I maybe I've seen all, I'm just checking my schedule, make sure I don't have anything after you. I know I'm talking to, I'm going on and on with you, is if like you have nothing else to do, nor I can. I don't have anything to go 6 p.m. woman. I don't know who's gonna watch a two hour podcast with me. This is like,

I don't know, that's where people two-hour podcast with me. This is like a- Let's worry, folks. Is Scorsese gonna score this thing? Is only way in English gonna watch this? First of all, could I tell you something? I've had a few other ones that are too... I didn't want Nikki Glazer, do you know she is? She's a comedian. Sure, sure, sure.

And Nikki, she is the snizzle. Can she and I be best friends? Oh, she's freaking hilarious. And they can go for it. She is the snizzle. Can she and I be best friends? I'll tell her. She's freaking hilarious. So she and I went on. What? Funnier than me. I don't know.

She's different funny. She's a different funny. She's a hilarious girl, though. I will tell you. You can't. Her and I went on for like, it was like, it was almost like, we were going in three hours at that point. We were like, okay, you know what?

This is like Joe Rogan next level, okay? Like we, I have to, so I think I shut it off at like, 2.25 or 2.30, but- 156 right now, take it, hurt down. What else do you wanna know? Boxers or briefs? What's your description?

Why don't know? Okay, fine. So, boxers are brief. I'm going to go down there. Like, which one is it? Boxer debris. Who the hell? I can't fly around like that. I don't know.

I've been asking, okay, let's go into supplement. Do you haven't told me any, I know power life. I know power for what do you, do you have a supplement line? Do you take supplements? Tell me all that stuff. Well, the supplement line is called power life. So everything's power life. Everything's power life, depending on the actual product,

aka skew. So there's two proteins. There's plant and way, and there's chocolate and vanilla. Basic, there you go. There's the foundation for, which I talked about. Yeah, got that. Product called endurance, which is something that you would take every day first thing with your first meal. There's a performance, which is a super low caffeinated time release,

giddy up, you know, before your workout kind of thing. But it's not like a lot of them where your hands are shaking, you know what I mean? It's just sort of a, you know, it's just something that kind of, and it's got a lot of other properties in it that they're actually really good for you, good for your immune system and stuff like that. And you take all of this? All of them. All of them.

There's another one called peak performance, which I'm a real fan of too, which is, you know, it's just, it's got a couple of extra ingredients to help the performance work better, right? Because you can't, sometimes you can make something, you make something a powder, but what's in the pill won't go in the powder because it will, it'll expire in 20 minutes or something. You know what I mean? So you have to take, like a free workout.

Performance, I take with my peak performance, which is the pill and just the performance powder. So they, they go together. And then there's one for digestion, there's one for gut health. What else is there? And we're developing new products. One's a nighttime protein powder, which I'm beginning pick for right now, which might be another reason why I'm sleeping so well. So yeah, there's some maybe some little bit of trip to fame in there or something. I'm not quite sure. Okay, so do you drink coffee? Do you like coffee? No, coffee. No, coffee. No, maybe some little bit of trip to fame in there or something on my co-sure. Okay, so do you drink coffee?

Do you like coffee? No, coffee. No, I never drank it. I don't know why. I never got into that groove. And I never drank it. I'll have a cup, like once in a while, and think, God, this is, this stuff's awesome.

But you don't drink it? I don't drink it. No. So you actually do take a pre workout to do your workouts? Sometimes, depending on the workout. Yeah, I don't like automatic with it because it feels like uh-oh. But the one that we designed, we designed for me, which is super subtle, that has a lot of really super health properties in it. So it's nutritious, it's not just a caffeine-loaded pineapple punch flavoring. Quite. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like just like a CBS or something like that.

Right, right, right. Okay, how about, okay, so do you eat breakfast? Are you like an intermittent fasting guy or do you actually eat three meals? Does it matter what time you eat? It's funny because you asked that earlier and I went off on a tangent, so I'm going to try to stick to the answer now. I know. I did ask that.

You remember that I asked that. I started talking about, you know, tendon inflammation. I don't know where I went. No, no, you started talking about your hair. I think that it's like you, you always had like, your pair, you always had genetics for your hair to be dark and you only did a couple lasers on your face, but you never did anything else. Yup. That's nice. Great. So let's bring that up again. Like, I don't know. Um, great. Let's, let's bring that up again. Like, I don't know.

Face. What would you look at? Believe me, if I could look like, I mean, the fact that you look like this at 63 years old, I honestly, like, I keep on glanting at myself and the other, on the other side of the screen. And I'm like, Oh my God, I literally look like I'm going to be on a new podium. But you look 30. I love you, Tony. I'm going to be 30.

Okay. I love you. And now we're going to be BFFs. Could we be friends after this? Probably. No, I'm like, sir. No, we don't. We go on triple secret probation. Don't forget that. You always will be until I get to know you well enough and then you go down the double

and then the single and then eventually get off probation and then we keep you around for the rest of our lives. Get back to what you eat. So you have... First thing in the morning, just a big handful of M&Ms, right out of the box, just that action chocolate, love that, wake up, feeling good, lots of energy. Okay, perfect.

Then I'll probably do a line, couple lines, they're going to need, and then I'll just get into the triple cheese chimmy changas, like around 10, 30, and then I won't eat for three days, usually vomit for a couple, and then I move out with cheeseburgers. I do a shake like that one I described.

Before I work out, something super light, like the pre-workout, maybe the foundation for boobaboon, and then just that's just to get something inmate to kind of get me going. I'll even put some creatine if I'm doing some body weight or weight lifting, still doing the creatine. But I'm careful there, you know, that it was the cramping and whatever,

and my liver, my liver is an old liver, I don't wanna overdo it there. So I can see I'm not sure because most people are abusing things like creatine and other things like that. Yeah. So, you know, no need to abuse it, just use it. So, that's pre-workout, but if I don't have a workout

in the morning, I'll do the, so the shake after the workout or the shake first thing depending on whether I'm working out or not. And then my first meal is typical, there's a caveat to this whole thing, like around noon or one or whatever I'm hungry. Now, what I do is like, because you're on Westwood, I go to Air One or I have my assistant go to Air One

and get every vegetable in the daily. Fresh, bang, just fill two containers. That'll last me a couple days. And then I'll do some Beyond Meat, Spicy Breakfast Patties. So I take X amount of vegetables, right? And one, two or three breakfast patties and put it in the air fryer. Boat, this is just one option, right? And one, two or three breakfast patties, and put it in the air fryer.

Boat, this is just one option, right? And so air fried, beautiful, a little bit of crisp to them. And so it's all, it's broccolini, and it's cauliflower, and it's string beans, and snow peas, and in whatever else vegetables that we can get going in there. And then I, and then I'll chop them all up with, because I put them all in the air fryer, pull it all out, chop it all up, eat it, big, big, ass bowl. There's a great company that the company started by, what is this? Oh my god, I got eight thoughts at once, they're all colliding and there's no words coming out.

So there's a company called Fire Road. And Fire Road is a plant-based home delivery food service. And I tried them all. And man, they're okay initially, then they could kind of boring because they don't really change them up very often. But the quality of Fire Road's food is so good. I get to eat the same meals over and over and over again.

And the guy who created, beyond me, his name is Ethan, I believe, and his brother David is sort of the founder and CEO of Fire Road, and Brendan Brasier, who's a creator of Vega, is friendly with both these guys. And I remember when Ethan showed up here and Brendan said, hey, you got to meet this guy, he's creating this fake meat. I was like, no, you shouldn't invest. I this guy. He's creating this fake meat. I'm like, no, it's not. It's what you should invest in. I didn't. That was one mistake I made. Yeah. But I thought, oh, I like David's idea.

I like fire road. And that's how I kind of go back and forth between fire roads meals and whatever comes out of the air one. And my wife, Sean, is an amazing cook. She makes all kinds of vegan gumbos and soups and stews and meals for me that are just amazing. So between those three sources, so typically it's a shake before or after a meal.

It's a big vegan meal. It's a second vegan meal and then another shake at night, not right before I go to bed, but like 90 minutes to an hour at the latest before I go to bed. And those are all so power life before, you know, in the morning and at night, and then just plant. And then I'll do fruit and seeds and nuts and pumpkin seeds and pistachios and what just something, you know, fill in the gap. One of my favorite things in the world, which will be your new favorite thing to do. Gluten-free muffins.

We get them out of this place, not a Utah. They ship them out of this. They're like, oh, there's a mom in pop shop and they make these gluten-free muffins, right? So cut them in half, throw them in the toaster, come out of the toaster, and we found this vegan pesto. So there's no cheese, but vegan pesto, when you put that on the muffin, and then I slice avocado on top of that,

and then I put some hot peppers on top of that. And they're like two little vegan avocado pepper pizzas, right? Toasted, put it on, wham wham. That's a favorite mid afternoon, Yamathon. Oh, that sounds good. Actually, the Pesto and the Avocado,

forget about it, forget. And then, it's like, okay, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, it's really red on the top. And the eyes light up, and the cheek's light up, and it's good for my skin. It's yummy man. I don't know how many calories that is.

It's probably 350 cal, if you want to. Calories or something. Maybe maybe more than that. But when you train every day, you can kind of eat wherever you want. Well, you can because you have a five, you have all muscle on you, number one. What I find interesting and you didn like, hormones are usually something when people are aging, that they'd be kind of a little bit out of whack, and that's why people start to lose more lean muscle mass, and they're getting more body fat.

How have you kind of, like, negated that whole thing? Like, it seems like that never wasn't an issue for you. Would you tell people who are kind of, like, like me, they're like now like in their, you know, they're aging, they're in their 40s, 50s, whatever. And, you know, their bodies are just changing. They're still very active, they're still eating really well, but their bodies are kind of like becoming a little bit more soft, let's say. If you're like me and you've been training for 35 years and you're always experimenting and you're pushing the envelope, but you're doing all your recovery work and you're trying

to board the board of injuries and plateaus that happen from doing the same things over and over again expecting a different result. But if you're that person, then the demise is less obvious and all you can, especially now that I'm doing ninja courses and pegboards, and I'm out of a gym and I'm doing more body weight, athletic, primary, secondary, muscle, skill base, athletic stuff. That really slows that down. But if you've been screwing around and you're getting to your 40s and 50s and you're trying to start all over again, you have to work 10 times harder than I do to be able

to get to where I am. You have to just like, okay, and this guy, Eric, who showed up in my house last week, managed to pull that off. It took him 15 months to do, but here he is doing the power of four and doing all these really unique. I mean, there's, because we had to try to keep people around. We had three months beta one, provisional month, three months beta two, provisional two, three month beta three. And now I've added a fourth while I shot the actual file program.

But over the course of these 18 months, they got 43 routines, not 12, not 18, not 25. They got 40 something. So muscle outrageous confusion, you know what I mean? Mindset videos, cleaning out your pantry videos, you know, Sean and did cooking videos. I mean, we bombarded these folks with enough intel that was almost overwhelming, but they hung in there. And it fluctuated between 1500 people and about 2200,

but it was around 17 to 2000 really mostly. And they just kept hung in there and it fluctuated between 1500 people and about 2200 but it was around 17 to 2000 really mostly and they just kept Hung in there and that's what Eric did overway insecure scientists guy Eating right exercise eating right exercise time Tick tick tick month one month two month three keeps on going going boom boom shows at my house and kicks our ass You're gonna so you can spread it out over 35 years, but in 18 months if you're laser being focused like for example if you came here I don't know if I can stand you like every day of the week, but if you could But you know if you came and did you lived in my world?

You'd have a completely different perspective about what to do with yourself. No, I mean, listen, I'm talking to you, and I'm thinking, I wonder if I can be your guinea pig, because as I'm saying when I just the question I asked you, it's like, you know, I think maybe like, I'm still strong and I'm fit, but I'm not like as hardcore as I once was, right?

And it's because like, I'm so busy with life, you know, and I don't want to use that as an excuse, but hearing all these people who are coming to your house, I know, it's like my violin, I know, I know, I know. But that's why I put what I'm saying is all these Andrew, Eric, all these people who I feel the common denominator is once they start training at your house regularly, they've kind of revamped themselves and they're

like a whole new, better version of themselves. Well, Eric spent here once, Andrew comes here once a week and sometimes only to twice a month, but I just sent him off with the intel and the pushy. Okay, he sent me off with intel. Can I be a guinea pig of yours? Yeah, go come here once in a while hang out with me. We'll talk. Well, you know what I mean? Like they all come here once in a while. You know, don't you have an answer? A lot in a room. Redoos that are here often. And they're here

and why are it's only those three? Because everybody else is great, but these are the three that I want around all the time because we're cursing and we're swearing and we're violating every possible Norm just we're just disgusting and we're farting and it's loud Man-shit that you could never say in front of normal people, you know, I mean right this because I mean I was a stand-up comment., Sam Canis and was my guy. I used to do a standup act that you cannot do now. Cannot be done now. I would be, I would like Lenny Bruce would go, whoa, bro, you, you shouldn't do that. I heard, I heard, you know what I heard along, this is years ago, I heard this, that I, do

you, I, they were talking about actually you are and that other guy from Full House, who looks like he's like very innocent. What's his name on the show on Full House? Um, um, yeah, the, um, come on. Oh my God. Oh my God. Um, um, Bob Sagitt, yes, it's like dirty as, like so dirty. And they're like, you would never believe it

until you saw it yourself. Like, how can he be like, how can that guy, Bob Sagitt? And I heard his shit and I was like, oh my god, it was literally shocking. Bob Sagitt, but I can, I'm Bob Sagitt, the Jason can be. No, I heard, listen, I remember what I heard long time ago, years ago, someone was like, you know, like Tony Horton, like you would, you would die if you knew, like,

what the shit he did before. Like he was a stan, and that's how they're like, he's a stand-up comic. He was like doing crazy shit before this. This is why he's good at what he does now. That's how I like, maybe, so I knew this connection back, like, what, 15, 10 year year whatever it was years ago

I'd never saw your stuff like I actually before this interview Like yesterday in the day before whatever I was googling around trying to find like some of your like bits I couldn't find anything Not around can't find that That would be so good Before people had had could walk yeah this, if this was in the audience, my whole act would go away. By the way, look at my dog, look at that guy.

Is that just this? Oh, it's a very beautiful dog. Oh my god, Charlie Bear. It's a very beautiful dog. Yeah, I mean, I just, I liked Sam Kennison and I liked Richard Pryor and I liked people who lived at the absolute edge of the envelope, you know what I mean? I don't really like gobsmacking. Oh my god like just makes this a word and a huge fan of

Taking words and smashing them together and having them come out and see what people do when they hear those words You know what I mean 100% But yeah, I'll say some stuff and my friends will just go words, you know, because they're fun, they're really fun to make a point. And so I can total it down and still have some fun and teach people how to get really fit and healthy and happy. And that's, you know, you know, like you read Rom in the shadow, Steve and Wolf's book, where is that? It's understanding who you are

and that you're more than just one person. And sometimes we keep some people, some version of us in the shadows, but then we have to really honestly, we know that's real, because it's us, right? There's this person that we portrayed in the world, hey, golly gosh, everything's great. Hey, how's the weather?

How's it work, terrific? How's the wife, fantastic? The kids, everything's doing great in school, but you know, all of that is bullshit because what's happening at home if you're flying along, it's like, you know, I mean, it's just wow. So it's so true. The rumor, and that's what causes stress, because people haven't really accepted truly what's happening in their life, truly who they are while it's happening, and are not willing to confront the circumstances to upgrade the quality of their lives. So they have to live one or two or three or four different lives.

It worked their this guy and their home to that person and then in the car, you know what I mean, it's like you have to sort of begin to, like with me, I am, this is it. This is who I am mostly. Unless I'm around those three guys and it gets pretty crazy. But for the most part, I don't have like with my wife. I'm married by wife because she gets who I am and we have the same language and we both each other laugh, like slap your thigh laughter. We get each other. But when she's around other people,

that person goes away because they would go, oh my God, she wants to. Totally agree. I know what you mean. You know what I mean? So that's because she has decorum and she has, you know, she doesn't want to offend anybody. She's got a goose.

Yeah. Yeah, with me, you know, look, I don't think I've been terribly offensive here. I don't, I think she was. Not at all. I think anybody who watches those, oh, that's four or five more swear words than I've ever heard him say. And so that might, oh, that might throw some people off. But, but for the most part, and look, I'm not, I don't have to try to be this guy.

And the other guy is just to get a rise out of those people. I just want to just like when we were doing our 25 routines last two weeks, we would open up some of the workouts with everybody laughing, right? As if there was some sort of inside joke. And so we would walk in the room and I would just say right before we walk in, they didn't know what I was going to say. And I would just say crazy shit. I would say when they came into the room, they were laughing for real. Because if you're not an actor, it's hard to fake laughter. So I would say something absolutely off the chain and they would come in for real laughing.

And everybody was like, wow, what are you laughing about? But I couldn't even tell you here what after stuff was. Because it would make people sick. I hear what you're saying. But at this point, do you even carry more? I mean, you've already done it. You know what I mean? You're not. I mean, but at this point, do you even carry more? I mean, you're like, you've already done it. You know what I mean? It's not going to be canceled now, you know?

And to my point, like, what happened? How many people can cancel who didn't do much? I know, tell me about it. Out on the back and rate aren't the same thing, but there's a whole lot of people that are making it the same thing. It's a, this is honestly a conversation you and I can have for like 100 hours hours offline because I'm,

I call it like, it's a whole caudal culture right now. It's all about coddling and caudling. The culture's completely different. There's, like I said earlier in this whole podcast, like what, 20 hours ago, there's no such thing as like levity or sense of humor or just like, there's none of that anymore. You can everyone is so sensitive.

If first time we're gonna disagree. I think there is, I think there's a lot of it. I mean, it's happened here. You just, you know, who's the conversation you had? What, Tom the comic snake? I'm sure. Nikki Glazer. Lisa, right?

She's laugh riot, you know, you look at Sarah Silverman. Sarah Silverman. Sarah Silverman has toned her act down, who she was before. And she, I remember doing a speech. She's like, you know what? I don't want to lose my audience altogether. And so I can still be outrageous, but I don't have to hurt people's feelings. I know I saw her in my life.

By the way, there are a Democrat, there are black folks and gay folks and vice and, you know, Muslim folks and people from all kinds of communities, the LGBTQ community, that are beginning to use and abuse for centuries. And it's about time that some of us were more sensitive to the abuse that they've been going through forever. So maybe some of us should grow up and grow up and learn how to talk to people. So we're not we're not we're not we're not from the 1800s or you know what I mean? There's and Sarah Silverman is from what I

gather is been able to do that. And so if other people you know if you're just going to be if you're going to push the envelope so far that your audience gets smaller and smaller and smaller and you just look like an angry asshole, then maybe you should reinvent yourself a little bit. A little bit, right? Don't lose your edge, you don't have to, you know, but there's something that you have to sort of, like I look at Sebastian Manascale. I love him.

Forget it. He's amazing. Absolutely. But he's not, you know, he talks about his life and his family and his father and his experiences. He's not doing this, you know. No, he's not. That's different.

That's different. I'm not talking about that. I agree with you. I don't think you need to like point, you know, be mean and cruel. That's definitely not what I'm saying. But I'm saying like a billber who I think is so funny. He's outrageous and he says shit that it's unbelievable.

And like to my word, I said earlier, he's like, at least he's getting away with it more. He's the only one I know who's getting away with those things. If someone else would have say that stuff, they would have been canceled and fired and thrown out to the wolves a long time ago. You know, I mean, I agree with you though. I think Sebastian is is very that's because it's so good. And but like you can you can name people like Jerry Seinfeld. He's also it's he has a cleaner community.

So whistle. You know, it's so thoughtful so thoughtful. It's so, you know, he's so thoughtful, meticulous, and his delivery is just pure, Jerry signful, right? It's not like, or Chris Titus, my, my Chris, he's fearless, man. I mean, if you go on to his stuff, he doesn't. But they're funny, they're funny and they're creative. They do great impressions. And, and he'll, he'll, you know, he doesn't care. He doesn't care.

He's got his audience, whether it grows or shrinks based on whopeness or modern day PC stuff, he could care less, you know what I mean. But I could be right or wrong on this, but he knows what the back, he knows that he sees that society is changing and he can still be a wild man and do his thing and not piss people off. But how about you're like, are you on HGH, are you on testosterone, are you taking pep, are you taking peptides?

Oh, fuck no, fuck no. You know what my, you know what my, because I get the blood work, guess what my, I don't know if you know testosterone. Of course I do, I know all of it. Guess what my, at 63 year old with no help, what my testosterone and free testosterone. Okay, 700? I know all of it. You mess with my at 63 year old with no help. What my testoster and in free testoster. Okay, 700?

Fuck no, 898. No, I don't believe you. I'll show it to you. I'll show it to you. Yeah, my, my, my, my. It's out of taking anything. Zero. I train like it's the last day on earth if I can and that's how I train and I show up all the time.

Now that might be some genetics as well. It's dropped as low as five something but it's never gotten below five something. I had an 1100 once, like five years ago, every six months. It's always above seven something. I went and I look at the last week eight ninety. Now of course the supplement that I've created. Now here's what you're going to notice. And it's a freak show. It's not that it's not that rare anymore. But when I was getting into the development of power life. So this guy's science will that works over it. Golden Hempel who's their head, you know, cap. He's just, he's super nerdy and he's just into this shit. And he's always, try this, try this.

Like I'm a human guinea pig. It goes just off safe. It goes fine. It's totally organic, it's natural. Yeah, it's so-it's poppy seeds, okay? Or the poppy seeds. All right, that's all natural. So it's sugar, okay?

Well, that's a sugar. It's too much of that. It's gonna be a problem. Depping. I don't want wanna do a thing. And it goes, so this stuff has something called HMB in it. And HMB is a natural growing, and I wish I could give you more examples of what it is.

But it's like creatine. You know what the difference, like workouts with and without creatine, it's a simple natural source that allows you to get creatine, creatine is creatine, it's in fish and it's in meat, but it's in concentrated forms, you overdo it, like you're in the middle of the night, you wake up, your legs are cramping everything else, so you gotta be careful, and it will fucking kick the shit out of your liver, so it's all about balance, right? I got to drink a more water with creatine without it, like these basic little

facts for your... so H&B is like creatine, but on its own, it doesn't do shit. But Lucine, which is one of the branch chanemino acids, which is really one of the, of all the BCAAs, that's your money amino acid, right? But H&B, by itself, not much. Vitamin D, by itself, good, you want vitamin D? That's fine.

And Lucine, by itself, good. You want vitamin D, that's fine. And losing by itself with other branch genomes is with a regular amount of protein, whether it's way or plant, or whatever, fine. But when you take H and B and you add vitamin D, and what H and B and vitamin D at certain levels, what that does to losing within the branch genomes is it's like, right? And that's partly why I think my numbers

are a little bit higher than normal, not a lot, but there's certainly, they should be going down, right? Yeah. Without growth hormone, without any of that shit, I don't take, not once, nothing. But when you come out of Sunday, and you watch what you do, and you go, oh, I get it, I get it. But then, right? I mean, it's every Sunday, every Tuesday, every Thursday, every Saturday, every Friday, over and over and over and week one and week two and month two and you're 10 and at that, right? This is this is this is all this is consistency. I tell you consistency is one of the level laws in my book, The Big Picture, the more you do the better you get. And if you, like when I got sick, when I lost 25 pounds and I couldn't get out of bed,

and all I did was throw up all day and I couldn't stand up straight and I looked like a drunken sailor on a cruise ship in a hurricane. I got shingles inside my right ear and just inside the ear there are a lot of nerves in there that control sight, breathing, taste, and balance. And also, there are since their facial nerves, the fifth, sixth, and seventh facial nerves. I think it could be the fourth, fifth, and sixth, there's six, seven, eighth, well, I love to Google that one.

But so these nerves, when you get shingles in there, they fry the nerves. And a nerve unlike bones or skin or tendons, there's an unpredictable healing time frame. Like, oh, bone, okay, six weeks. Skin, you know, whatever you've scab forms in your... But nerves, sometimes nerves don't heal at all, and they're permanently damaged. And a lot of people who get ramsy, hunts syndrome have permanent nerve-dampage.

Like, I know people who get it. I had mels palsy policy and this eye didn't blink and my face looked like it was melting. And for me, fortunately, that only lasted a month. But I remember going to see the brain doc you have to go to it. It's kind of an ENT, like an auto-rhyneolarian-gologist or something. I'm not quite sure the type of doctor. But they said, yeah, I mean, everybody's got facial anomalies. I said, do you know what I do for living? Hi, everybody. You know what I mean everybody's got facial anomalies. I said, do you know what I do for living? Hi everybody, I feel like you know what I mean?

So, you know, that was aesthetics is one thing, but I could not walk at a straight line without wobbling because my all the balance is going on inside of your ears. So when you when you're you can't balance and you can't walk that makes you nauseous and when you're nauseous you're vomiting and when you're vomiting you can't eat. So I would sleep 12 hours a day and then I would just lay in bed and and then of course I had a I had a I had to night us on a level of one to ten it was a 30 just like double earringing 24 or seven bright light dark rooms any kind of weird anomalies it was it was and it wouldn't go away. It went on and on and on for weeks and weeks and weeks and months and months and months. And it slowly, over the course of a year, began to improve enough for me to be able to start to work. I couldn't

drive. I mean, when I would pop to a stop sign, I would look right, and my brain would go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, okay, we can look at that thing. And then I'd go, oh no, I've got to look left now. And my brain would go, hold on, hold on. So, you know, I began to heal over time. I remember trying to go skiing before I was able to. And my balance was crap. And I ran into a tree.

I thought I broke my femur. But fortunately, I just had a conclusion, a conclusion to size of a school bus that went all the way down my leg. So, you know, I was just determined to get back. And thank God for me, I had the conclusion, a conclusion to the size of a school bus that went all the way down my leg. So, you know, I was just determined to get back and thank God for me, I had the right lifestyle to be able to fight really hard to be able to get myself back. But it took, it, so that was October 2017 and still to this day, I have little tiny bouts of the stimulus issues.

If I push too hard, too hard to work out or I don't get enough sleep or I go from a dark room to a bright bright space I get this kind of thing that goes on inside of my head I can look right and left and not have any issues there, but but what happens is it's also connected to the Epstein bar virus so Epstein bar and the vestibularipal function they happen together So not only does the shaking happen, but I get, I'm almost getting narcoleptic. Oh, you know what I mean? So, a lot of time and effort, energy and physical therapy, I would show up at the physical therapist and there were a lot of guys that were from Afghanistan or Iraq that got blown

up. You know, guys with missing limbs, guys that had PTSD, and we all were suffering from this thing, where you would walk in a straight line like you're, you know, you're doing this stuff with your nose, like you get pulled over from being drunk, and looking at like a whole wall of birthday wrapping paper with bright light on it, like that was just too much. So it's all sensory stuff. And then, you know, it took 17, 18, 19, 20, 21. Here we are, all these years later. And now it's, it's 95% better. It's not normal.

Uh, it never probably will be. But there are little tiny games like I'll go off a couple of weeks feeling normal-ish. But there were times back in the day where it was always at a level of one to ten a Two three four five. It was a five. It was really a rough day to get through the day You know, it's never been a say at nine ten where I'm in there and I'm vomiting and I can't I can't even see straight So so that you know the moral the story is I mean how badly do you want to come back from something? You know and I had to work really really, really hard to, and I still do. I mean, I have slack lines and I climb ropes. I'm doing ninja courses and meditation was the only thing I had. All the tinctures and all the potions and all the king's forces and men couldn't put me back together again. So I had to just sit quietly and take deep

breaths just to kind of mitigate the pain and the anguish that I was going through. And those are practices, like I don't stress out nearly as much as I used to. I just can't, I can't afford to, because it was Tom Petty dying, I mean, an accidental overdose. I had friends that were at the Vegas shooting who watched people get shot next to them.

Like I'm having a conversation with a guy, who went in the chest, running for their lives like wow and then I was going through contract stuff with beach body that was didn't go well and I left the company and it was same company 20 years. That all happened like within a month and I couldn't handle that stress and boom but I'm in a much better place in every possible way as it was also turned out to be good for me but for a lot of other people who aren want willing to do that hard work and come back.

It's great. People still. Wow. I mean, so that could be brought on by just having too much stress. Well, she goes with stress related. If you had chickenpox, which is a lot of us, then that chickenpox virus is in there and as a adult, you know, and anybody's that shingles it is excruciatingly painful. I had it too

Hot poker, you know, but if it's in your ear man Yeah, and when I went to the hospital when I was just vomiting and vomiting and and I was I thought I had a stroke I didn't know what it was so we took me in to the hospital and then there was the doc in the ER right just like googling it Oh, you have something called ranzi Thank you. Yeah, it's not curable, but it's manageable. Mm-hmm. That's terrific So and you basically healed yourself just out of will and desire Airbnb and I you know, I mean just to get me up And dressed and in the car and then driving in the car from here to the physical fit

It was like a war. I just was whole I would just hold on You know, I mean it was so brutal and I get into the physical and then I'd be so exhausted when I got home It felt it felt like I felt like a hundred year old envelope and my skin was hanging off my face Me 25 pounds came off me in like three weeks Good night, you know, I mean I'm just lying in bed. There's a lot of stuff. So yeah, and I'm the first time going into the gym trying to do a push-ups. I think I did like 12 and I'm just wasted I could do like three pull-ups, you know Um, you say like most people can't even do three pull ups

and have no sense of that. My face was still there, but yeah, yes, okay. But better than ever now, you know, not perfect, but better than ever. Yeah, don't you say prog- What is it that you said, hold on, I have a written here somewhere. Oh yeah, I like it was like prog-

No, it's not. It's not. It's it's. No, this makes better. Progress makes perfect. I think you said practice makes better. And I was like, oh, I really like that line that he said. I said that, that was me.

I mean, maybe there's some other fitness guru, I don't know, but I thought it was you. I thought it was the old Steve Martin joke, where says I learned something from my great uncle he was very bright versus many things wonderful ramblin He said Steve, Steve always I'll never forget it, I'll never forget it It was always No, it was never

Never forget it trash basket in your car because if it ever gets full you can just throw it out the window I'm telling you have another career out there you could be you could be doing impersonations for birthday parties. I do my column both. Yeah, that's one. I do my Bruce Springsteen, hey Tony, Bruce is kind of, it's my Bruce. Yeah, I know time for Bruce Springsteen stories

because we're already pushing the 2-A-plus hour mark here wherever we are. I will leave you on. We'll leave you beyond. But I will leave you with this, man. You know, people say, hey, what are the three keys? And there's not three keys. There's 50 keys, you know what I mean? But for me, if anybody was like, oh, how do you get, because you know, you and I have been talking here for a while, and how do I maintain sort of this, this youthful upbeat, handsome appearance, other than the fact that I'm using the right gel in my hair and a little Castor oil For the hair. I'm telling you. That's your magic thing

But it's purpose plan it's purpose plan on accountability man figure out what you're doing a while You're here and if it's not your main job make it a hobby and that hobby can turn to the career Which will give you the joy and happiness you've always wanted to make a plan you know what I mean? I mean like figure out what you're gonna do. Reverse engineer things. I reverse engineer everything. Like you don't just think I'm gonna climb Kilimanjaro and then get on a plane and go to Tanzania and hope it's all gonna turn out.

Like see yourself at the top of the mountain, see this stuff the day before, see, look at Google what the temperatures are. It's certain altitudes. Like, you know, what are you on day one? You know, who are you flying with? You're like, what are you gonna pack? There's all this stuff that you do

when you finally show up at Kilo and Jarrow, you're probably gonna get to the top because you're conditioned, you got the right stuff, you're talking to the right people, and you've seen yourself there, right? You've seen photos of other people there. You know, you interviewed folks that there's no way they should have done it,

but they did it. And then you go there with confidence, right? And that's that planning things. I reverse engineer everything now, you know what I mean Um, and then accountability like who's in your tribe? Who are the people that you love that they're gonna be there to support you and help you and and and um and help you figure some things out So that you can end up having the life and the career and the friendships that you've always wanted and though that's it You know, I mean, it's in my book the big picture Um, you know, you're gonna ask this.

You wanna know more about Tony Horton. Like the Paragon experience, we haven't talked much about that. I think we're gonna try to get you to speak at my Paragon experience here in October. But all things Tony Horton, or Tony Horton Life, TonyHortonLife.com, that's it. So. I was actually gonna ask you first of all,

I am going to speak there. I don't say a baby, I am going to speak there. I don't say a maybe I'm I am speaking at your that event sounds spectacular. I'm so honored and I would be I would be honored. I am honored to be involved and Incorporate into anything that you do. Oh, you got it. You got it He's looking at the The link to my tech talk the secret to getting anything you want in life. And let me know, leave a comment, by the way, when you watch that. I will. I'm sure I'll say something like fabulous.

Yes. Or not. Let's talk forever. Maybe will. Maybe you won't. And well, listen, I think I've taken up enough of your time. It's been many hours and by the way, lots of amazing nuggets of information, tangible things that people can actually integrate to their lives. We know about your power life, we know about tonal, we know about the past with P9DX, we know about your routines, your habits, your veganism.

I don't really think there's really anything else to kind of uncover right now, is there? I'm five. I'm four. The power for the new program. I'll quickly about that, and then I probably, she probably have children out there that are in the pool looking for lunch, dinner,

or bread. One. One. But, you know, the power for is my own, my first ever all Tony Horton program. We've had about 2000, I think it did read this out, the 2000 people and I help co-create this, these 25 workouts that will be in the final program. And we're editing and adding graphics and timers and music and that's going to, you

know, another couple of steps. We hope to have the Power 4 out into the community, out into the world, by the holidays. And here it is, what we do in I shut, I don't know when you're gonna air this, but we're at the end of August here. But we've made, we're in the right place at the right time. I mean, distribution and marketing are really the last to raw. And we're in constant conversations with the parent company

that makes my supplements will be assisting there, I think. And other people, a lot of the real experts that really wanna see this thing succeed, because we think that these 25 routines are a laugh riot, but they're super hard, and there's lots of really cool options for people of all shapes and sizes. And we, you know, look,

P90X millions and millions and millions of copies. If I can sell 500,000 of these, plus, there's no reason why we can't pull that off on our own. We don't have a big old company like BeachBody to do it. But I've got a phenomenal team of people that really love it and think and has had a great impact on them. So it's not just some strange thing

that they're gonna go, okay, it's cool, it's a cute idea, let me help you. Now they've experienced it and they're just madly in love with what it's done for them. And they want to be able to help me share that with the world. So look for that coming soon, streaming to you. I can't wait. I want to do the program. And, you know, I can't wait. I mean, and by the way, you are the P90XL. You may not be beach body, but you could take the beach body, take the tonia of the beach body, but the beach body...

It didn't work the same. It just didn't really work the same. But the bottom line is you are P90X. And so it sold that well for other reasons besides being beach body. It was the personality behind it. It was a super effective program. There was no magic pill. It was hard work. It was effective.

And I am sure that your new program is, you know, going to be just as amazing. Well, well, we hope so. And, you know, beach body, that most companies would have, they accidentally didn't do well. I mean, oh, well, I'm going to work out an hour plus every day. I'm going to eat, right? I mean, eh, you know what I mean? But they're the ones that did a brilliant job marketing to folks.

And a lot of it had to do with the before and after pictures and videos that mom pops and your sister, brother, aunt, uncle, mom and dad were sending us. And we just put that in the show and and that sold itself that way, because people were getting the results. But we have, we already have minimum 50 testimonials off the chain, tear jerkin, amazing transformations. And that's only the 50 that we know of. There are more than that. So just a matter of kind of going through all that footage

and seeing what to use, but yeah. So it's cool. It's cool to do everything from scratch on my own with my wife and, uh, let's say, we'll see. We'll definitely see, but people love real stories, people love that stuff. And I think real stories, real results. I'm in. I'm gonna be streaming it. I'll sign me up. Sign me up. Yeah, and maybe if you're nice, I'll invite you to the house and I'll put you through a plan after a routine. But don't plan on sitting for the next three days. If you show up. I'm listening. I'm planning on it. I mean, listen, I'm just, I'm just waiting to get your address so I can just show up. I thought that was a given already. Well, you got the phone number. You got the email. I got we have we have we have we have meetings with communicating.

Yeah, the address is the last to rob, you know what I mean? Drone with us. Oh my god. What leave me alone? Oh my god. Show, how hilarious. Okay, so now we know where to find you. Say it again for the people who missed it. For me, hollatinlife.com, all the products, the Power Force sign up is there. By the way, if this goes out to the world, you can catch that last month of beta and

really see what's been going on. And there's a phenomenal community of people. We've kicked out the boneheads of the naysayers and the finger pointers and the haters. They don't last in their 10 minutes because people gang up on on people who just want to bitch and mow and live small, little tiny, fragile, pathetic lives. Those people don't last a second.

You know, I, because they get the instant L stamp on their pathetic set or head, right? So yeah, but everybody else, it's just amazing. It's like a love fest in there. It's incredible. I'm just laughing because it's been so long. I like just like, it's like, this is like a marathon. A marathon.

So thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Again, I was gonna say please come back, but I think we have enough coverage. Well, we've probably enough for the first 10 years. We'll do another one in 10. Exactly. Oh my God, okay. Thank you Tony.

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