Habits and Hustle - Episode 168: Jeremy Fall – Restaurateur turned NFT creator, founder of Probably Nothing and Photosynthesis

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Starting point is 00:02:03 Definitely run, don't walk to scoop them up today. I got this Tony Robbins you're listening to Habits in Hustle. Press it. Today on the podcast we have Jeremy Fall. Jeremy's a super interesting character. He wears many hats. He's an American chef, a restaurant tour, an entrepreneur, and his latest project is called Probably Nothing, which is an educational NFT platform that he leads with his partners at Triller. So now Jeremy is also, and I must say, a really good one at that, an NFT expert. He really breaks down this space of NFTs, Bitcoin, Web 3, on this episode, in a way that is very easily digestible, and where people who don't necessarily know that much about this space, that's extremely

Starting point is 00:03:00 growing and evolving, is a way that we could really kind of retain it, understand it. I really enjoyed this conversation. Let me know what you think after listening to the episode, leave me a comment, a review, enjoy. Be it simplistic as if you're talking to like a three year old, or one year old, actually, because that's how like,

Starting point is 00:03:24 how like, I mean, a one year old is usually because that's how, like, how like, I mean, a one year old is usually not the demographic. I know probably like, I mean, I talked to me like, I'm, you know, 12. They, they get it. I know you're right. So talk to you like you're like 70. Yeah, talk to me like I'm like,

Starting point is 00:03:36 I just went into my grandma and now she gets it. Okay, talk to me like when old person, because I am an old person and explain and break down, this is what we're doing on this podcast today. We're talking and breaking down what really an NFT is, why it's important and why it's become such a massive industry, I guess you would call it. And we have somebody who is an expert beyond expert, Jeremy.

Starting point is 00:04:01 Jeremy Fall is very tall. He's like 10 feet tall when he walked into my house today. But not just today, I'm sure you're always talking about that. I'm always talking about that. I'm not sure you're always talking about that. I'm not sure you're always talking about that. I'm not sure you're always talking about that. I'm not sure you're always talking about that. I'm not sure you're always talking about that. I'm not sure you're always talking about that. I'm not sure you're always talking about that.

Starting point is 00:04:18 I'm not sure you're always talking about that. I'm not sure you're always talking about that. I'm not sure you're always talking about that. I'm not sure you're always talking about that. I'm not sure you're always talking about that. And like you were like in the restaurant business and now you found it a company you own probably nothing or created probably nothing Which gives people and explains to people what this whole business is of NFTs Exactly. So then let's start then with what you're gonna say so for the most you know Someone like me for the layman's person. What is an NFT? So an NFT in very short form is a type of digital ownership or authentication, right? So you can be an example.

Starting point is 00:04:52 Let's say right now we record this podcast, then you want to sell this podcast to someone and they would own the rights, own everything in a not like authenticated way, just like you'd have a certificate of authenticity for a Rolex, right? How would you do it if you were to try to do that today? Sell this actual conversation to someone that could own it, that could then license it out to whatever they wanted. You'd probably sell it to a production or like a, you'd sell it to a production company or some type of like media company who then would pay you for them to then distribute it somewhere.

Starting point is 00:05:25 Imagine if we could go on the computer right now, upload the recording, do something called the minting process, which makes it the NFT, and then sell it. Is that what people are doing? That's what an NFT is. What is a minting process? So minting is what makes it, what NFTs it, what makes it an NFT. It's like, that's what authenticates it. So when you mint something,

Starting point is 00:05:49 you have something called a smart contract, right? And I'm keeping this very simple. Yes. A smart contract is essentially an online contract that's visible to everyone. All of this is public, by the way. That's how it, that's how it is able to be authenticated. So let's say we took this podcast, we minted it. This turns into an NFT. The cover, if you want

Starting point is 00:06:09 to call it a cover image, it could be anything. It could be a monkey. It could be a crypto punk. It could be a picture of your picture, whatever it is. It doesn't have to, you don't have anything. It could just be white, right? It lets you sell it to Jane Doe in Omaha, right? In order for Jane Doe to own that, there needs to be some sort of proof of ownership, correct? Right. That's where the smart contract comes in. The smart contract, again, this is all available anywhere public in the blockchain.

Starting point is 00:06:34 So you're hearing a lot of these things called the blockchain. Right. The blockchain is where the smart contract is stored. Right. In the smart contract, it says, and by the way, I'm gonna use names, but everyone's addresses, like their crypto wallets, is a bunch of number zero x, y, b, whatever it is. So it would say, let's say yours was zero one two, that'd be much longer than that.

Starting point is 00:06:55 Mine was zero, and James was zero one three. You sold it to James, so zero one two, sold to zero one three for X amount of Ethereum whatever the cryptocurrency is right and it's in parentheses the the USD or whatever the currency is from that country The equivalent so it would be like $1,000 so then I could then be like I want to Jeremy wants to buy it from Jane I she wants to sell it to me I know that Jane owns it because I can see in the smart contract that she owns. It's literally that file is in the smart contract.

Starting point is 00:07:30 There's proof that she owns that actual file. Okay. So, what I don't understand with this digital, this is the... I think it's better by the way. I'll dig more after. Yeah, okay, so wait, because I don't know why is this even something that's valuable. Can't people just screenshot the digital file and just like look at it for free? Like why do you need to buy something that's like out there in the, in the metaverse,

Starting point is 00:07:52 which I don't understand either? That's a super topic. Don't confuse people. Okay. Okay. Sorry. On the internet. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:00 Let's say any blockchain, but not even like you're saying like everyone's confused because they think it's just digital art, right? Or it's just but why would anybody pay for any of this when it's out there for free for people just to look at if I take a picture of a war hall Do I own it? No, same thing It's the exact same thing, but what's the use of it like I think I think the disconnect with people is that they can't associate it to something they're familiar with, right? Mm-hmm. So, let's say you were an avid warhol collector, right? Mm-hmm. You wouldn't be a warhol collector because of the fact that you get to look at the photo.

Starting point is 00:08:35 You're a collector because you get to own it, right? Right. Okay. You own that Maryland. It's bragging rights, it's fulfilling or whatever it is. Right. Take that into the modern generation where that equivalent is a board ape, is a crypto punk.

Starting point is 00:08:49 What is that? Tell people what that is. So, board ape is a collection of 10,000 monkeys, if you will, make different faces. Some of them are rare, rare than others. They're arguably the most popular collection on the planet along with crypto punks. How do they even become popular? Board apes is one of so everyone understands. So there's a thing called Board apes, which is a bunch of... Board apioclub.

Starting point is 00:09:10 And it's a bunch of pictures of monkeys. Yeah, so there's a couple of things you get. So as a board... It created it. There are anonymous. It's a lab that's anonymous. Holy, I'm adding an adivan. I'm like, it's already I'm confused. Okay. So

Starting point is 00:09:26 so we'll get we'll get there. So so you're a Bordea holder. You get to go to the Bordea parties in real life. They throw parties once in a while. You have access to certain members perks, right? That's that's a cool part of it. But the main thing is these bragging rights. If you walk into a room 10 years ago, the Rolex, you had a certain notoriety. Yeah, prestige. Prestige. So people always tell me they're like, well, why the fuck do you care about having a monkey that you own as your profile photo and Instagram, whatever it is, right? Right.

Starting point is 00:10:00 And they're like, I would care more if you walked into the Rolex, right? I think I'm like, well, if I go into a room in the last 10 years, I could be wearing a Daytona. People would think that's cool, but I'm verified on Instagram. And that is worth more than anything in the world. If you think of the verification of Instagram, it's kind of like an NFT. It's something that can't be copied. And you could say, well, why can't you just screenshot the verification? You can't. That's the proof that I own that verification. It's verified by this company. It's the same process.

Starting point is 00:10:30 This is verified that Jeremy owns this monkey, right? Yeah. And that's bragging, right? Because that monkey has hype. To you, it doesn't mean anything because you don't care about that monkey. But if that was your favorite artist, Warhol, you would care.

Starting point is 00:10:46 Right. It was sounds to me like what's happened is that it's not part of my generation, so to speak, right? Like, what was things like, you actually explained it well, like things that were kind of in my world were like that you had a Rolex, like you said,

Starting point is 00:11:01 or like a nice car would give you that bragging right or prestige, or like a painting, like you said, or like a nice car would give you that like bragging right or prestige, or like a painting like a warhol. But it's that we've now become so digitized and technology focused in like where we are in the world, like 2022, you know, in mean 2022, that now it's kind of become these digit, anything that's kind of all these bragging right

Starting point is 00:11:23 or verification or like signs of prestige or status are coming from the digital world. It's exactly that. We live in a digital world, and now we get to brag within that world. Who created this? Like how did it even begin and start? Like where did it even come from? So if you have to trace it back to the origins of cryptocurrency, Bitcoin, which I'm sure

Starting point is 00:11:44 you've heard of. Well, yes. I'm living under a rock. I'm living on top of the rock. I don't make assumptions. I don't make any assumptions. So the person that created Bitcoin, Satoshi, is anonymous.

Starting point is 00:11:56 A lot of non-miss motherfuckers in the space. Yeah, what do you mean, you keep on saying anonymous? No, no, yes. No, no, yes. It was created. It just dropped in them out of nowhere. Who are, no one really knows who this person is. There's theories on like a few people.

Starting point is 00:12:07 Like who? Who are the people that they can't even name them? That's the thing. It's not like it's Michael Jordan. It's like, we don't know, right? But then how are these people who are anonymous having so much power to like just drop something one day as like a new way of like life? So to speak and nobody knows knows where it's coming from. So, fine demand. It's all it is. If I get enough people to, you know, to buy into this waterball, it makes the waterball more valuable, right? It's an autograph, it's the same thing. So,

Starting point is 00:12:38 you mean the BLK water bottle? The BLK water. I know we're on video, I assume they could see it. But some people are just listening, you know. Yeah, sorry, the BLK water. I've never on video, I assume they could see it. But some people are just listening, you know? Yeah, sorry, the BLK water bottle. So you know, it's, it's, it's supply and demand. It's hype. It's like a supreme t-shirt. Yeah, I was gonna say that. So you're gonna say like, well, who cares?

Starting point is 00:12:54 It's a white t-shirt with that logo on it. But then the, the six-year-old kid is gonna be like, that's the shirt. Yeah. It's the same exact thing with the monkeys, with the crypto punks, with the water bottle, it's all the same. Okay, so go back to how this all stood the origin of this. So some person. Some dude, we're assuming it's a dude.

Starting point is 00:13:09 Right, we don't even know. We think it's a dude, because the people they think it is, they're all dudes. That's what I'm saying. It's not sexism. No, no, it's what it probably is. Yeah, okay, no. I'm hoping it's a woman, but I think it's a dude.

Starting point is 00:13:20 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I believe I'm not offended by this. Okay, no, no, no. So the, that was created, right, Bitcoin. That was the first cryptocurrency. It's the OG, that's the Coca-Cola of cryptocurrency, right? Okay, okay. Yeah. The Grover time, a new cryptocurrency,

Starting point is 00:13:38 there's been many of them. But let's just say the second one that really came to fruition was Ethereum. Right. Ethereum being the main cryptocurrency used to trade NFTs. So in the blockchain, which I mentioned, I think of the block. You've created that. That's a technology that exists a long time ago.

Starting point is 00:13:55 I know I was using it. I think that I know I'm actually unsure that I know that there's, I know people are using it but not to this extent. It's an older technology though. So this first person. What's the older I mean like, you know, in the last I think two decades. Yeah, I know that there's, I know people are using it, but not to this extent. It's an older technology though. So this first person, what's the older I mean like, you know, in the last, I think two decades. Yeah, I know, no, but the origin first,

Starting point is 00:14:09 we were saying that is the Bitcoin. Some guy just anonymous person. So imagine the blockchain is Wall Street. Okay. Imagine Bitcoin is a blue chip, stock like Berkshire Hathaway, Coca-Cola, it's right. Let's just say Coca-Cola. The theorem comes in is Pepsi, right? It's the second one.

Starting point is 00:14:28 The reason why the theorem is so popular is because it's the form of currency that you use to buy NFTs. There are other ones, but that is the main one. So when I was talking about those transactions, the vast, vast majority are in the theorem. Ethereum is the currency to buy NFTs. Okay. And that's okay. How did that happen? How did this guy, who's public? Yeah. I forgot his name. But Dalek. Yeah. He's public. He created a theorem. He created this currency on the blockchain for people just like the, how do you do it? Just one day?

Starting point is 00:15:04 I mean, there's like, I mean, the intricacies of the coding of creating a coin is like, we're not going to get into that. Like that's far beyond my area of expertise or most people in the space. Like creating coins is like coding to like an unbelievable extent these ecosystems and like, that's a whole other thing. And the other thing is like, how does he,

Starting point is 00:15:21 like why is it that anyone can create a coin? Why did his coin become something that now has become used? Why everybody? Anyone can create a soda, right? Right. So, so this is a great analogy, by the way. So, I have like my mom, you know, that's exactly. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:15:39 Thank you. Well, I'm like your mom then, okay, really granny at this point. Okay. So, I'll be the granny, I don't care. So basically, same thing. then okay, very granny at this point. Okay, so I'll be the granny and okay, so basically same thing. So like how this guy created this Ethereum coin that people are using to trade and make money and everything else, it's the same as somebody who just so happened to create the company Coca-Cola or whatever and became like synonymous with soda drink pop or whatever.

Starting point is 00:16:05 Okay, that's okay. In the loosest comparison possible, that's what it is. Okay, so he must be like, he must be just- Basis loaded. Loaded. Encrypto. Encrypto, right? Yeah, which you can convert into actual dollars, by the way.

Starting point is 00:16:19 That's on my here. You must feel don't know that. They're like, what can you do with them? You can still buy shit with it, but you can also convert it to any currency you want like USD, Euros, whatever you want. You can't ever, it's not banned in the world. Like, I think China was the conversion. Maybe China, but it fluctuates. So right now, oh, it depends on the day. It depends on the day.

Starting point is 00:16:40 Okay. So thing when this comes out, it depends on the day. Keep coming back. You got plenty of space. Okay, so... The thing when this comes out, it depends on the day. Keep coming back! You got plenty of space! Oof, not how you would have done that. You like working with people you can rely on, like USAA, who has helped guide the military community for the past 100 years.

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Starting point is 00:17:31 Voyager. Voyager? That's what they opened for you? Who the fuck did that? No, that's not even right. Some guys. Someone opened the thing, that's how you trade crypto. Well, hold on.

Starting point is 00:17:41 I don't do anything. Okay, I know. Just stop moving. I will tell you right now what it is. Oh my God. Okay, okay. And by the way, I thought I was a voyager. Is that what is, yeah, there's no way. Why is that not good? I just don't know what that is. Oh shit, are you serious? Okay. Did you meet this guy on the street or something? No, he was a finance. He was like a private equity guy who told me that I should be putting money. Oh, yeah, it is a voyager. I kid you not He sells subprimes, too. No, he is someone that oh, I put like a little bit of money here. It is called voyager

Starting point is 00:18:15 You haven't heard of it. No, I may ask you if you yeah, you can ask if you know what voyagers Fuck I don't know it. See okay, so I'm not crazy. Let's cut that out. Yeah, okay. Is it that big? It's huge. Let's not endorse them though, because. Look. It's one of those.

Starting point is 00:18:32 Look. Yeah, see, I'm not like that. We're not cutting this out. People should know. It's called Voyager, and I made money, and I lost money, and I've not got that. Okay, so I would have not used this platform to start. Why? I am not giving financial advice.

Starting point is 00:18:47 Again. But apparently this is a, I think I'm so deep into the space that I don't know about these platforms, the public, every single, there's so many of these up top of every day. They are because that one, I was on a waiting list to get onto it. They usually all have that though. Oh. A lot of them do because they have to verify your identity and stuff. Oh, and what I did was I took my money

Starting point is 00:19:05 from Charles Schwab, I think. And put a maiden account in this Voyager. You went from Schwab to this? Well, no, no, no, no, I didn't take it. It's like the anti-centralization concept. Listen, listen, listen. And so it's not the owned by banks. Like that's the whole point of crypto,

Starting point is 00:19:19 is that it's owned by the people and not the banks. You went through Schwab. Well, that's why I'm glad, no, I know it doesn't know. It's a financial situation. And you had a finance guy do this. Yeah. I mean, see, well, that's why you're here today, Jeremy Fall, because I don't know what I'm doing.

Starting point is 00:19:33 So that's why we have a special money seems very safe, like more safe than any than a normal situation. Okay. Well, thank God, I was up and down anyway, but that's my point. So it fluctuates. Is that using Ethereum? I don't know what you bought. I didn't point. So, yeah, so I fluctuated. Is that using Ethereum? I don't know what you bought. I didn't look at your holdings, but I looked like there was a

Starting point is 00:19:50 fear. I'm assuming there's a big coin of Ethereum on there at the very least. If there's crypto on it. Okay, so then let's go back to where we end. Where do we stop at the before my before you laughed and mocked my voice or what did you say? What did you put a lot in it? And when did you buy it, by the way? Okay, this was like I started this like nine months ago. I didn't put a lot in it. And when did you buy it, by the way? Okay, this was like, I started this like nine months ago.

Starting point is 00:20:06 I didn't put a lot of money in there. Oh, if you started nine months ago, that's great. It is, I think down money. Hold on, did you check if I'm down? I think I am. I didn't want to like look through your whole experience. You can look through it. I didn't put very much money in here.

Starting point is 00:20:20 It's on a secret, believe me. 10 million dollars. Yeah, 10 million dollars. Exactly, that's not a lot, is it? I can't tell, but what I, I'll on a secret. Believe me. 10 million dollars. Yeah. That's not a lot. Is it? I can't tell. But what I, I'll take a look. Okay. I mean, it looks like you're shortness. It's a long. I'm telling you that's fine. I mean, that's fine with that. You want people are knowing they know idea of voyager. I don't mean to take you out, but it literally says that you have zero dollars in this. Oh, well, see, there you go. I guess I all my money. Does it really say that? Yeah, which mean you would never hit zero because no

Starting point is 00:20:49 Then I have to I must have done something another button. I got to call this guy. Yeah, it's asking you to enter your social I'm not touching this. Okay great I'm not I'm basically someone just stole my entire life savings. It just got fucked up by touching Like go near that. Oh my god great. Okay, well, I get so good I'm gonna just stole my entire life savings. I didn't want to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act to act We're also what we're asking Bitcoin is another type of coin. You're asking about the price of what I got a bit point is a different Okay, so Bitcoin and a theory are two separate coins that you can trade with You can buy NFTs with Bitcoin, but you can only buy NFTs with There's other ones polygon. There's other ones, but The let's just for sake of the simplification. I'd say Ethereum is like the main one

Starting point is 00:21:43 It's like the yes, it's like the I don't know say Ethereum is like the main one. It's like the, yes. It's like the, I don't know, and now, jeez, the main one. Okay, and then so just the way, just so the origin is, so this guy created this blockchain, this guy created, not blockchain. Yeah, they're Bitcoin and then the Ethereum guy came in. Yeah, we're getting close. Yeah, and then all these random people

Starting point is 00:22:00 just keep on like, just creating these things. And like, and just because something just kind of like, there's traction and hype just kind of built it up. Yeah. Okay, so then that's exactly it. Okay, so the base, okay, so you're saying this not, why is it that most artists are doing it? Like you said, that's why you're saying it's not

Starting point is 00:22:19 just digital art, it's a. Well, let me tell you the biggest advantage of NFTs. Okay. So let's go back to that example. You sold to Jane, right? Jane, you created this audio. I know what you're going to say. Yeah. You created it. Okay. Okay. So you created this, you created this, you own this conversation. You sell it to Jane. Right? I buy from Jane for a million dollars. You sell it to Jane for a thousand, right? My doctor, you're getting a royalty on that. Right. That was a big thing. You sold to Jane for a thousand, right? My doctor, you're gonna get a royalty on that.

Starting point is 00:22:46 Right, that was a big thing. For life. I sell it to Matthew, you get a royalty. It's like to have like multi-level marketing a little bit. No, I was like, you're talking about pyramid schemes. Yeah, there's a scheme. It's not at all this. Like if you're selling and I'm getting my money.

Starting point is 00:22:59 That's rewarding the creators. Okay, so it's all so much wider. So like only the creators. I'm not gonna get a royalty off of the net. So the royalty only falls to the creators. Okay, so that's why the author. Only the creators. I'm not gonna get a royalty off of the net. So the royalty only falls to the creator. Pyramid scheme is every layer in the title. Oh, I see. So it's only the person that actually

Starting point is 00:23:12 owned it initially originally. Yeah, we're the smart contract was created. That's why there's a smart contract. Cause it keeps track of all this shit automatically. So what happens if this is a bubble and it just explodes one day like every, like some of these things do. What happens to all this money and all this stuff?

Starting point is 00:23:26 Like the internet or social media, did? Yeah. And we're still here today. Yes. But I'm talking more like, yeah, I was thinking more of, in your analogy world, like the real estate world or things become like big and then things just kind of collapse or is there chances of that happening? I mean, of course, there's got, there's chances of that happening? I mean, of course, there's chances of everything happening,

Starting point is 00:23:45 but the last big things were the internet, right? Which had a bubble, it came back. It's very strong still. Yeah. They're trying to reinvent it now to Web3, so we'll talk about that too. But then there was social media, everyone said there was a bubble.

Starting point is 00:24:01 Right, sure. And then cryptocurrency, which everyone said was probably nothing, that's where the name comes from, by the those bubble. Right. Sure. And then crypto currency, which everyone said was probably nothing. That's where the name comes from, by the way. Probably nothing. Right. And, you know, we're still here. And there's everyone's in it now and everyone's, and there's a lot of people that made

Starting point is 00:24:14 a lot of money. So, I'm not saying there's never going to be a market correction, there's going to have to be. Like, in the industry, there's going to be a correction. Right. Right. But, do I think it's going to collapse? No, I know.

Starting point is 00:24:30 Well, what would you think the most common? So you created probably nothing because most people have don't know anything. Think it's probably nothing. Yeah, exactly. It's a term used in the space, by the way. Oh, it is. It's a very common. Yeah. It's like it's like using the word like cool, like in the real world. It's like probably nothing is a very used term. That's how I didn't like invent it. I just got the that's a use. Why is that a use? Because in the beginning, like in the real world. It's like probably nothing is a very used term. That's how I didn't like invent it. I just got the- That's the use, why is that a use? Cause in the beginning, like all the headlines were like, like years ago, like, oh, Bitcoin's probably nothing.

Starting point is 00:24:52 I don't pay taxes, probably nothing's fine. People were saying that over and over again and then everything kept going up. And so now there's a lot of sarcasm in our space where people will post like, oh, board apes, sell for $10 million, probably nothing. Right, I think it keeps on going. So then let's just talk about board apes and then're $10 million, probably nothing. And it's like a whole thing. I think you keep on going. So then let's just talk about board apes

Starting point is 00:25:07 and then you can chime in whenever you want, Mikey. But that was just something like a supreme t-shirt. Just had got a lot of traction and became super popular and people were buying it, right? Yeah, that's the same thing. Like it was like a Rolex or something else, correct? Or like things have like the crypto punks or the NBA top shot same thing,

Starting point is 00:25:25 or just put that people know about it, or. So NBA top shot. Okay. It's very similar to what I was talking about with our conversations. Okay. NBA top shot, NBA was like, okay, we own all these iconic moments in history.

Starting point is 00:25:37 Anything from like a three point shot, whatever it is to Kobe's last game, to you know, last three point or last dunk, whatever it is. Now we can actually sell those moments so people can own it. So imagine owning Kobe's last three-pointer. Like imagine owning that moment. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:54 To the point where, and I'm not sure about the specifics by think they gave licensing rights on top shot too. Licensing rights, meaning that like, when you own the IP, you can license it out. So BoardApe, for example, gives you ownership of it. So if I own a board A, and I print on this t-shirt, this t-shirt is automatically a board A, t-shirt. That's like, imagine Gucci giving those rides. Then you print it on your end, and that's actually a Gucci shirt. Like, that's how fucking crazy it is.

Starting point is 00:26:19 Are you able, like, if I went to buy a board A, situation now, is it one of those things where you're too late to the game? Like if now I'm buying, is it cheap? And now it became much more expensive because I waited. Oh, I mean, since April it's gone, I don't know if their trading volume is at this moment, but the last year, I mean, it's, I can't even, you can't compare what it came out for to know.

Starting point is 00:26:41 Really, and so like if I bought it now, it'd be a fortune, but would it keep on going up? So it's kind of like buying up, you for to know. Really? And so like if I bought it now, it'd be a fortune. But would it keep on going up? So it's kind of like buying it. You don't know. You can't know. It's like when people were buying Berkshire at some point, I'm sure they were like, you can't go more up in 2000.

Starting point is 00:26:53 It's like 400,000 hours. What if I can't? Or Tesla. It's the same thing. You just don't know. Do you have any questions before you can continue? I have something else to add after. Oh, OK.

Starting point is 00:27:01 So no, no, keep on adding. Keep that going. The most attractive thing to me in the NFT space is the community, right? So let me explain. So, you know, I come from a world in the restaurant space, right, that was very community driven. However, also very transactional.

Starting point is 00:27:20 You come to my restaurant, I sell you the stash, so I have this cocktail, you give me money, get the fuck out. That's kind of right. That's how it goes. Lamin's terms, right? Yeah. In the NFT space, let's say you and I create a mission or an idea, let's create a concept, right? We create a collection of these NFTs, right? Now, imagine parallel supreme, imagine being able to give people your audience ownership in that creativity. Like, you're building a community of people that they're almost like investors.

Starting point is 00:27:51 Right. Right. They almost have equity in your idea. Like, everyone who owns a board ape is a partner in board ape, Yacht Club. Yeah. Because they have ownership, right? So, you have a very invested community. There's this very strong thing, even in the crypto space, and if you're on Twitter at all, there's a lot of good morning, good night. It's all very community-driven.

Starting point is 00:28:13 You have one, we're part of the same club. You have a board-aid, let's talk, let's collaborate. There's a lot of that. There's projects. There's the heart project, one of the projects that actually like I'm a holder of. They do like movie nights, like real life, movie nights, they do some digitally.

Starting point is 00:28:29 They do, for the people in LA, like Benny Blanco is holding him by his people to his house, come hang out, like that's that, there's this very big, big, community aspect that people don't realize, where before that, I was always here trying to be like, not above in an arrogant way, but like I'm selling to you, I'm selling to you,

Starting point is 00:28:46 I'm selling to you, I'm selling to you. That was like, that was how we used to think. Like, I'm going to sell to this person, you have to rise on top. And now it's like, let's create this together. Let's own it together. You know, so now you have 10, let's say your collections, 10,000, 10,000 avid people in your community that are constantly invested in you. So through that, a lot of IT projects have community wallets that people vote on where that money gets spent. Part portion of ruralities goes into a community wallet. Where does this get spent? We're going to give this to charity. We're going to give this to whatever it is. Like you're building a group of people, right? And that's where that's where crypto is amazing because all

Starting point is 00:29:22 the stuff is automated. So there's no, let me talk to my lawyer or anything like that. It's all the smart contract. Any dark that hits everything's a smart contract, the realties get distributed automatically to everyone. Everything is all digital. So there's no like way you owe me my 15% like that doesn't exist. There's no institutions controlling. It's controlled by people. That's what I was going to ask you because you were saying about like the child, we were joking around with that. Like, so there's no institute, so who is kind of making sure that every T or I's crossed? All of us are.

Starting point is 00:29:55 So let me get an example. I went on Twitter, this is to tell you how crazy communities. I went on Twitter, I got a thousand dollar Starbucks gift card. I put on my Twitter, I was like, I'm buying coffee for everyone. Just, please everyone just get one coffee. Not a single person got more than one thing. Everyone is respectful.

Starting point is 00:30:11 Not a single person to be banjo. No one took, no one ordered anything. It was all like exactly all the way to the gift card right now. Like that's how people are. Yeah, and it's respecting. Because if you're a shithead, we're not gonna buckle you at all. You're kicked out.

Starting point is 00:30:24 And as much as it's anonymous, and people are like, who are these people you think you're a shithead, we're not gonna pop out of the adult, you're kicked out. And as much as it's anonymous and people are like, who are these people you think you can do whatever you want, it's really those anonymous figures who've stayed around built so much rapport through so many goodwill that people love them and trust them and respect them. So wait a second, so you put a Starbucks card on Twitter and said to people, hey, there's a thousand bucks on here, everyone just get one call.

Starting point is 00:30:46 How do you know what people got or who they got? Because you can see on the back, you can see like what your balance is and spend stuff. I just saw a bunch of transactions, but none of them were bigger than the other. They were all about the same. That's happening, like that is, but. But could you imagine being so disrespectful

Starting point is 00:31:03 to that community that you're the me that person right to do that to take advantage Like so another thing on Christmas day. I was like if you don't have food today On Twitter drop me your wallets right so that big number of time at zero X whatever it is Yeah, and I will send you money for food right I Had people you said that yeah nice essence. Yeah, I said my food. I spent like four hours in bed saying my everyone I had people. You said that? Yeah, nice. I sent my food. I spent like four hours in bed saying my neighborhood. I had, how much money did you spend?

Starting point is 00:31:29 It was a lot. I had, crypto money or real money. Oh, crypto. This is all crypto. What do you mean real money? I mean, I have a good, like just that,

Starting point is 00:31:37 like that's what I meant, like tangible, you can feel. It's probably the equivalent of like, I think it was like 15 or 20 grand. It was like a decent amount of money. So. You spent that kind of money on people that you've never met. These are the people.

Starting point is 00:31:47 That's amazing. These are the people that I have that money because of that. You know what I mean? So. Okay, this is so fascinating. So let's say, so I did that. I had, I had this guy literally, I sent him,

Starting point is 00:31:57 I was like 30 bucks, right? Cause I just fell out past, I sent this guy 30 bucks. This guy in India, not even joking. He took half of it and gave half to these starving kids, sent me the video, I didn't ask for anything, sends me things like, hey, I had leftover, I was able to feed my family, whatever it is,

Starting point is 00:32:17 I gave these kids. There's this video of these kids that are like, thank you Jeremy, like Mary Christmas and stuff, like this all happened, I was in bed doing this. This is within the span of a few hours. Like I'm touching people in India, touching people in the, like all over the world, I had someone that like, messaging was like, hey, honestly, like,

Starting point is 00:32:33 I don't need food, I'm gonna have drinks with my buddies and I was like, you know what, fuck it, drinks on me. Like there's a lot of this thing. People were giving it to other people, this person needs it more. It was like crazy. This is all on Christmas day. You know?

Starting point is 00:32:44 Do people even know this is happening? They don't know Jewish. Yeah. You know, it's fucking Christmas. I know. But what I was saying, exactly. Does it, does it, how come, like, do people outside the crypto space know this

Starting point is 00:32:57 is even something that happens? No, that's the thing. That's why I have probably nothing because I'm like, so like an example a few months ago, I was with Ty Doll,esign, the rapper. Right. And we're in a studio. And he's been wanting it.

Starting point is 00:33:08 He was wanting to get into the crypto space. He's dropping a collection now and everything. And we were talking and I was like, let's see, it's your first NFT. So we went on there. I tweeted it. Let's get your buyer first NFT. Okay.

Starting point is 00:33:21 I tweeted it, he retweeted it. This guy comes in. Everyone's like sending their buy-mind, buy-mind, you know? So I'm like, oh, that one's cool. I bought it, he retweeted it. This guy comes in, he's, everyone's like sending they're like, buy mine, buy mine, you know what I mean? So I'm like, oh, that one's cool. I bought it, I bought it, I bought it, I was like, oh, this is, I like this hard to. How much is it?

Starting point is 00:33:32 So those ones were, I think, $500 each. Okay. Three or $500 each, around there. Which is pretty average. Offer for an NFT plus the coin fluctuates, right? So yeah. So I bought it, he bought it, and we he bought some other stuff. And then the guy, the owner in India, messages me on DMs us

Starting point is 00:33:51 on Twitter. And he's like, Hey, since pictures, he's like, my father's in a coma. It's on two pictures. I met the hospital as we speak. The money you just gave me is paying for his hospital bills. Now all these people are buying his stuff. He made like probably like 20, 30 grand, like overnight. He was selling his like farm to pay for the bills. Now he doesn't have to. So I was like, what the fuck? Like, so we promoted this kid. I put him up on probably nothing, a story.

Starting point is 00:34:19 Ever and obviously it was like, oh my, we have to help like all these people came together. Like I was gonna be able to text him, he's like, how can I get one? Can you help me? The people that didn't have their wallet set up. Like one of my business partners, like girlfriends didn't have one.

Starting point is 00:34:30 She's like, can you help me set up my wallet? So I can buy this. This kid now all of a sudden, and he messages me, and he's like, I love you so much. Like, what you did for me? Like, I want to do it for someone else now. Like, I have money, I want to go help someone else. And I'm like, this guy, like his dad's in a coma now. Like I have money, I want to go help someone else. And I'm like, this guy like his dad's in a coma.

Starting point is 00:34:46 And he's already thinking about how he's going to help someone else. I'm like, that's like, that's what the NFT company is about. Like that's, that's why I fucking love about it. That's amazing. So there's so many stories. Oh, yeah, that's not like people don't know this shit though. They don't they're like, oh, it's a stupid fucking monkey or whatever. Like then those like crypto duches in Miami that like party with rocks.

Starting point is 00:35:03 Yeah, so why is that? So that's like, I was going to ask, well, then those like crypto duchess in Miami that like party with rocks. It's not that. So why is that? So that's the, it was an ask, it was my next question. It sounds the way you're speaking that these community have really like really quality people who are trying to like pay it forward and be really honest and honest. That's a real people. Right.

Starting point is 00:35:18 So then why is there this illusion or idea or people in the space who are just like driving begotts in Miami and like. I had the same thing in the restaurant space. Restaurants became very hip. Everyone won on a restaurant. Everyone did just like this crap shit with like bottle service and like models and all this stuff because people like the fame and like NFTs are hot so like now you're celebrity because you own this thing. So you're always gonna have do it's actually good to have that. That shows because you need I think you need a Nico system. You can't just have the sad stories. You need the douchebags.

Starting point is 00:35:50 You need the people that don't get it. I think you actually need all that. Like, that's why I have probably nothing is to teach people about these things, right? In the right way. We have a social duty to educate people the right way. Because you know me, people I meet and they're like, you're first you have to say, how come you're nafties and you're like cool guy, you're not a douche. And it's like the actual people in the space that do it because they love the space. And all these rappers and stuff that I work with a lot of musicians when they work with us like These people are used to being

Starting point is 00:36:27 Given the world right there musicians. They're they're just right. I work with them like you know me in the space You're getting your hands dirty I'm not working with you until you fucking prove to me. They're like okay. Well, how can I do it? So? You know first of all like engage your community talk to people support artists Don't just get a fucking a drop 300k put a profile and profile on thinker in the community. Like, that's cool. And you should, sure, if you want to do that, no problem. But support indie artists, have the conversations, get into Twitter spaces and listen, try to understand space, educate yourself.

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Starting point is 00:38:23 I trust.com. I trust.com. I trust what is your specialty? So let's go back to you. So because what I remember, well, not remember what I know about you, is you were like, you were a restaurant tour. You owned a bunch of restaurants, right? You also have a podcast called Dinner Party, right? And what do you talk about on dinner party? Mental health mainly, mental health culture, creativity. Oh, okay. So how did this become your, how did you become an expert? And how do you talk about on dinner party mental health mainly mental health culture creativity? Oh, okay Yeah, so how did this become your how did you become an expert and how did you kind of go pivots from restaurant? I told you it's very good and you were like oh, what is this? What is this? He walked in with Abby on it Now he's drinking this be okay, and he loves it. I told him he would Glad that you like it. I'll give you some to take my teeth black. No, okay, it's basically just regular water

Starting point is 00:39:05 No, it's not No. It's basically just regular water. The charcoal is? No, it's not charcoal. It's fall of minerals. It's a dirt. No, it's not dirt. If you get over this psychologically, the color of black, but it's basically fall of it. All I wear is black.

Starting point is 00:39:15 You know, I actually don't own any color. And my closet, it's all black. Are you serious? Matthew, can you confirm my closet's all black? There you go. Well, I have a sweatshirt that I wear, I'm very, we're like twins. I wear that sweatshirt, that's exactly what you're wearing.

Starting point is 00:39:29 Yeah, this exact one. But it doesn't say that, it says BLK on it, but it's exactly the same. But it, so it doesn't say Balenciaga on it. No, it doesn't. It's not, how about there's the NFT douche coming up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a black hoodie with, yeah, that said BLK, but it looks the same.

Starting point is 00:39:45 But yeah, I don't have that like, you know, the big fancy designer. Right, no, I got it. I like the ACDC though. Oh, thank you. That's my shit. Thank you. I mean, I appreciate it, but like the black,

Starting point is 00:39:54 what I mean, it keeps me warm, I like it. I don't know about, like that's good enough for me. Yeah. But, okay, so then how did you pivot from restaurants? Like, what was your background? Let's go into who you are, what your background is, and how you became who you became. Are you a cliffhands?

Starting point is 00:40:07 Cliffhands, because long. You know I'm 31, turning 32. Oh my god, you're like in college. Well 32 in August, it's not that far. It's not that close. I know, well, okay, but I don't need to know when you were in embryo, but let's start with. Oh, shit, okay, how's the fastest swimmer?

Starting point is 00:40:19 Okay, you were the fastest swimmer, good. We know that, we know that, that's good. That's right, no, so. You're from LA. You've born and raised, yes. So, did you go to college? Grapped out. Okay, where'd you go?

Starting point is 00:40:30 Oxidental college. They know, yeah. Okay, so you started dental school, it's oxidant. I know, I know what it is, I've heard of it. A lot of people are like, oh, dentists, I'm like, no. Yeah, the furthest thing from a dentist. Yeah, it's where Obama went, so it's like, yeah, oh, it's like prestigious, whatever.

Starting point is 00:40:44 Oxidental? Yeah, I chopped out. Oh, really? where Obama went. So it's like, Yeah, oh, it's like prestigious, whatever. Occidental? Yeah, I dropped out. Oh, really? Is that like a known good school? Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm,

Starting point is 00:40:51 I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, Oh, Yeah, I was thought you were joking. Well, I'm, I actually went there. Oh,

Starting point is 00:40:59 Trust me, they, they shoved that down your throat like every fucking second. Really? Like, Oh, This is where, like, Barry used to sleep. I'm like, Who the fuck is bear? Really? Okay. So then you were there, you dropped out. Yeah, I dropped out. So anyway, I'm actually sure I was in hospitality. Okay.

Starting point is 00:41:09 So I went out 16 night clubs, the whole thing went to bars, working in there, right? Okay. I opened bars on those 23 because I had met enough people that were willing to fund by then when I was 23 up in my first bar. Where did you open in LA? Hollywood. Hollywood. Yeah. What was it called? First one was called Genesis. The second one was called Golden Box. Two bars in my first bar. Where'd you open an LA? Hollywood. What was it called? The first one was called Genesis.

Starting point is 00:41:25 The second one was called Golden Box. Two bars in Hollywood. I mean, you know, it's very hip. Yeah, I mean, very hip. Let's just keep it like that. Yeah, exactly. It's very hip. It's very hip.

Starting point is 00:41:34 It's very hip bars. Okay, good to know. And so, after that, I was like, fuck, I'm sick of gun home, like, foreign the morning, you know, I can't keep a relationship. Okay, let's get out. Winter restaurants, right? Like, that's much better. That's like the best, like, tomorrow's not gonna idea.

Starting point is 00:41:46 Yeah. Went to restaurants. We opened my business partner, or former business partner and I, Henry opened 14 restaurants, three and a half years. He was a lot. Would I know any of them?

Starting point is 00:41:59 Yeah, you probably know all of them. You would know, right? Okay. I mean, we'll look at all about that after. No, no, I wouldn't know. There's a lot of them. Okay, well, name the top one. Okay, okay, Nihok, breakfast bar is probably the most

Starting point is 00:42:08 best one because those breakfasts for dinners, like, on Vogue, Japan, like, I had like my voice was fucking dubbed and like, and some shit. Like crazy, my friends, they're like, I had people though drive, like, we just heard about this, we drove from fucking Canada to eat here. Like, crazy. Where was it?

Starting point is 00:42:21 Venice. Oh my god. Am I, I am living under a rock, apparently. This is really embarrassing. Okay, so how many years ago was this? No, it's not embarrassing. This was still open, by the way. It is?

Starting point is 00:42:32 Yeah, it's still open. This is proof that people make fun of me because I am such a creature of habit. I go to the same three restaurants. So do I. Oh, you do? I mean, they're like nine now. Yeah, I left those days behind me.

Starting point is 00:42:41 I'm like, it's dinner at six and bed by nine. I fall asleep late. You should've been bokeh or wereton. It's all the other old. How in a living like Monocito? Oh, that's nice. behind me. I'm like, it's dinner at six and bed by nine. I fall asleep late. You should've been bokeh or reton, with all the other old folks. I wanna live in like Monocito. Oh, that's nice. You know what I mean? Yes, I get you.

Starting point is 00:42:50 I'm just just like slow. No, I'm sick, like slow. As my people think I'd like love to go out because the way I look and dress myself, I'm like, not at all. It's a nail polish and the ring. Yeah, and like the way I do it, yeah. I'm like six p.m. dinner, like nine p.m. in bed.

Starting point is 00:43:04 I'm like, teeth brushed, everything dinner like nine p.m. in bed. I'm like teeth brushed everything brushed medication taken everything good Thera gun because I've read restless leg. Oh, hypervotes so much better than Thera gun. Mm-hmm. Have you tried it? I Don't know Thera gun really works for me. Okay. I'm gonna let you use up. Okay. Well You just can give me a I just purchased this. I know who would have thought you would have thought? It's crazy. It's great crazy gifts. Right, right. So I imagine this. So I started the process of selling my restaurant group, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:30 In December 2018. Closes like, end of 20, early 20, 20. Yeah. Right? Well, I'm like, oh cool. What are the restaurants, besides that? How good to tell me. Just what?

Starting point is 00:43:41 Tell me one other one that I was like. Easy is in the Beverly Center. Oh, I know that one. Yeah, it's in the Beverly Center. They have I know that one. Yeah, it's the one in the right center They have good chicken fingers. Thank you. Yeah, um, thank you. I appreciate that So all the restaurants are gone. Okay, right like we sold off the restaurants all of them Yeah, I've got a part we had between LA Chicago, Texas and Alabama. We had a bunch of them, right? Then we get hit with the fucking pandemic. Yeah, so I'm like, You sold them before the pandemic. Right before.

Starting point is 00:44:05 And I filmed my TV show that's out now called Beats for Breakfast, Miguel the musician. Yes. He does a beat, I do a breakfast dish. It's on Facebook watch, tune in. It's great. Yeah. Season one is out.

Starting point is 00:44:18 Beats for, is it really out right now? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So how did that happen? What kind of like, how did that happen to you and Miguel? Like why? We met at Nihok.

Starting point is 00:44:27 Okay. I was assigned to rock nation. I was the first rest of our tour chef to sign a rock nation. I was with rock nation for three years. They used to manage me. Okay, what did you do with them? Just like it, like a town mangewit from musician. I just did basically like,

Starting point is 00:44:41 restaurants with them, TV, all stuff. Just the same kind of format, right? Do you know Jay-Z personally? I've met Jay-Z at the rock run, yes. Okay, can you call him right now? No, I'm joking. No, I guess. So I got the fuck as black water.

Starting point is 00:44:52 I know, I know, I'm teasing you. Well, I think he'd like it actually, but, you know. Yeah, yeah. Okay, go on. So then you were signed to rock nation. Yeah, so I met Miguel, because Miguel was under there too. Mm-hmm. Met at Nihoc, my breakfast place. Right. We both love to rock nation. Yeah, so I met Miguel, because Miguel is under there too. Matt and I, Hawk, my breakfast place.

Starting point is 00:45:06 Right. We both love breakfast for dinner. And then we just started talking and he was like, dude, I make beats in my kitchen, like literally. And he's like, which made beats for breakfast. I'm like, yeah. And then we just did the show on Facebook. I mean, there's like teams that get involved.

Starting point is 00:45:21 Yeah, of course. So you guys sold it to Facebook or like you went to have? They were like, yeah, we want to they picked up the show is like, yeah, we put they we our teams pitched it. How many episodes eight episodes one season. And then so he's making he's beating like he's basically just like doing some music while you're making breakfast. Yeah, and it's like we play off each other because we're both from LA or anything. It's like, you know, he's like, oh, like that, are you eating? Are you adding like spice in that dish

Starting point is 00:45:46 or heat like, and then he like does some shit with the sounds or it like it sounds like it's like really cool, actually. That is really cool. I'm gonna check it out. So we filmed that February 2020. So I had just filmed the show. Okay. Just all the restaurants and then it's like fly on my ass,

Starting point is 00:46:00 like the fuck's going on. You know what I mean, pandemic. I don't have restaurants to go down. I'm used to this like lifestyle, like it's filming, there's nothing. They're like a lot of us, right? I'm not feeling the hat though. No, I'm not, but that's the thing.

Starting point is 00:46:10 But I have like, and in my industry is getting like, decapitated by the pandemic. Like all my friends in the space are like the fuck's, I'm like, oh shit. You know what I'm like, are you okay? Cause a lot of people didn't know I had sold. Cause it was so fresh. And I was like, yeah, I'm great.

Starting point is 00:46:22 I'm like, yeah, yeah. I'm like, I'm on them like, open wine. I'm like orange wine, I'm like, fucking Fauci talk, you know. Wow, what did you sell it to? Like, there's a, there's a private equity group called K2. What a hospital you're going to. And so they must be like really unhappy right with you at this point, right? What?

Starting point is 00:46:37 I don't know about. They sold it to you in like two minutes later. I think it's the virus. I'm saying like, not with you personally, I'm saying what would happen. They sell it and all of a sudden the credit happens. I mean, I don't know. I can't speak for that. Why are you the rest of, I'm saying like, not with you personally, I'm saying what will happen. They sell it and all this gonna happen. I mean, I don't know, I can't speak for that, but. Not you personally, I think you're a fault. Yeah, I mean, I didn't plan this whole time.

Starting point is 00:46:51 Yeah, it's no, you did not. Or did you? It's good. In the end, if TQ is the, yes. So we're all stuck at home and I'm like, okay, like kind of try and fail when we do next, so massive anxiety, you don't have to like, you know, figure what's next.

Starting point is 00:47:03 So I, I'm like, okay, a couple of things. One, my mental health became a massive priority. I'd realized how healthy I was mentally. So I got on medication, like, right off. I was actually already pying on it and that, like, What was wrong with the anxiety? Is that my depression? Yeah, so I got on that.

Starting point is 00:47:19 And you were never medicated before? No, they're fused before, because I thought I was gonna hurt my creativity. But then I'm seeing at home and I'm like, let's try it because now I can be creative, like let's see what the fuck happens. So I get on that. And it worked right away.

Starting point is 00:47:33 Very painful process in beginning. I worth every second of it, but like two months of like on top of that with a pandemic, like there was days where like, I remember being like, if everyone dies, I don't care. Like I was so numb, like it was like rewiring my brain. Like, I became so flat, like, no personality, like, wouldn't get out of bed. During the pandemic, it was a little bit more acceptable. Right, right. Right. So, right.

Starting point is 00:47:57 Got medication. Then I went public and I was like, I have a lot of, I was like, I'm getting off Instagram. Like, I, I- Were you popular on Instagram at this point? I had like, I think, I don't know, maybe like 600,000, maybe like 500,000 bars is before the show came out, so less but- From what? Where were you popular from? The restaurant stuff?

Starting point is 00:48:15 Like the- I was always very social savvy. So like, when I was like 16 and I was like providing nightclubs, I got into my space. Then I kind of went to Twitter and transferred over. I went to Facebook. And then I did a lot of stuff on Food Network, and that demographic is very heavily on Facebook and Instagram and stuff.

Starting point is 00:48:31 And also people on Instagram, they love food pictures. It's all very much about pictures, and looking at people's visual food and stuff. Exactly, so that kind of built over, the years I wasn't really a adopter. So yeah, so I get off of it. I'm like, so I have to focus on mental health. I had never been open to mental health before. That was like, I'm out. Get the account. I posited all the apps on my phones, everything. I come

Starting point is 00:48:54 back like two months later. I'm like, I got checked, fuck's going on in the world, right? It's pandemic. So I want to say, I wonder what are these people are? I'm like, where are my friends are alive? You know, like, I'm not trying to be like cynical. You talk to anybody really? No, I did, I did to my close, but like, you know, Instagram, you talked to like everyone, right? It's like an open market. I come back and like my inbox is flooded with requests like CEO, celebrities,

Starting point is 00:49:14 all those people that like, I didn't know, followed me in my people like Holy shit, like I love talking about mental, like I'm going through a lot of men that like, I'm embarrassed and I'm like, what the fuck? So my Holy shit, so I took like days to respond to those. I'm like, I'm embarrassed and I'm like, what the fuck? So I'm like, holy shit. So I took like days to respond to those. I'm like, I have to start a podcast. So I started the process of the podcast.

Starting point is 00:49:30 It took a while to build. I really want to make sure I got the right guess and everything. And then I launched the podcast, but I think like about six months later after that, that talked dinner party that I was like, okay, the way I love most about having dinner parties is the conversation you have at the end of the night when you're done eating, you just set the table for three hours like a glass of wine talking, right? So that's what the podcast is. It is the best part of it, but it's like.

Starting point is 00:49:50 It's the best part. Yeah, it's not about the food, it's the context around it, it's the company. So I started talking about mental health appeal. So I had a bunch like friends, library, friends, people I met online through that whole thing that came on and, you know. What kind of guests are're having on dinner party.

Starting point is 00:50:09 And anyone from like actors like Le Mourn Morris to Bobby hundreds was like the founder of the hundreds streetwear brand to Roman Grojan, a former the one driver like wide right Rebecca Minkoff came like designers like we have a mix like the whole yeah like a yeah. Yeah, this was like basically I'd and any my dinner parties. I love talking to random people and getting to know them, right? So that was, so I was working on that and then, but you know, that was like a loose project I was just recording when I felt like it, recording from home doing it on Zoom. I took my time on those. It wasn't like crazy.

Starting point is 00:50:38 And then I was like, you know, browsing online and stuff and I discovered NFTs before I've been launching a dinner party. Not just, but like very loosely looking at like this trend and crypto and because of the pandemic, I think it accelerated the world like five years. Yeah, totally. So I was like, what's this NFT stuff? Like people were talking about it very, very early on.

Starting point is 00:51:01 Crypto was actually down at this point, right? Yeah. Best in crypto, Lenten FTs, and then after that, start connecting with people around. That's how I met Jason, who's not my business partner, and probably nothing. We met online. It's just talking like... You met online, just talking like that. We just met in person recently.

Starting point is 00:51:20 Wow. I've been talking every day for a year. You see? Yeah. That crazy. Just met in person recently. Wow. been talking every day for a year. Yeah, that crazy. Just my I love it. There's a can of course. Yeah. So Canadians. So I'm telling you. So just connecting the people in the community. And that's why I realized there was this community aspect. Right. But I wasn't like as savvy. Obviously, I'm now. I was just very,

Starting point is 00:51:39 I didn't really think about getting into it as seriously. And then I was like, you know, my strength is building brands, restaurant concepts, building communities, all this stuff. This is exactly what that is. You know, I don't necessarily have the talents to have ideas that require manufacturing, producing like all those things all the time. Now I can create something that I can touch people

Starting point is 00:52:00 all over the world versus a restaurant where it's four walls. I can touch people all over and just turn these ideas into digital assets that can now be sold. Like it's a way of basically monetizing on ideas and building a community around these ideas. Gotcha. Now you can do it digitally. So then what was your first NFT that you visualized that you basically put out to the marketplace? I'm dropping that right now. Right this minute. That's why I'm here.

Starting point is 00:52:26 Okay, what is it? Okay, so when I say right now this second, yeah. It may be in a few days, whenever you decide to release this episode, it might be yesterday. Let's just hope it's in a few days. Let's say it's in a few days.

Starting point is 00:52:38 Okay, let's just say it's in a few days. Let's get really close to the launch, thank you. Let me go. Yeah. It's called photosynthesis. So this actually, this is, you're going to be my guinea pig for this. Okay. And you're going to say you love it. Okay. But tell me what I want to hear, but be honest. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah. So, you're like this concept. So it's called photosynthesis. They're very, very beautiful flowers. They're flowering

Starting point is 00:53:01 FTs, right? What I realized about FTs, this idea actually came when I was Matthew, my assistant's birthday, and I was like, I want to give to him an FT. Look at all these projects, I'm like, none of these like feel like gifts, like they are because we're nerds, right? But they don't, there's nothing like, if I want to get my mom her first FT, if I'm not gonna get her fucking monkey, you know, I mean, she's big, fuck is this? Yeah. What am I gonna do with this month? That's what I'm gonna do. That was a million dollars, mom. Yeah. But, so I was like, flowers, right? I love, my whole thing is getting more women in space. I have a weekly spot, two weekly spot lights

Starting point is 00:53:33 that highlight women in the space, artists from all walks of life, all ready on my pages. Okay. So I'm like, I should create a project that if both the tracks women, also I'm big on like masculinity in the modern age that destigmatizes like flower giving for men, you know, mental health, I'm big on like masculinity in the modern age that destigmatizes like flower giving for men

Starting point is 00:53:45 You know mental for I'm big on that too, right as a straight man who like paints his nails And be able to have this conversation. Yeah, I can please straight really see that's what I'm saying I thought I thought your assistant was your boyfriend. No, that's very that's a compliment for both of us. Thank you Wow, really both catches. Yeah, we met here you there No, no, it's very kind of. Okay, well, why is it not kind or kind or why? I mean, you know why I thought so, you're so styled. Well, thank you, but that's what I was raised by a single mom.

Starting point is 00:54:15 I was surrounded by women my whole life. You know what I mean? So that's a good point because I'm able to come in and be like, people are like, wait, this guy's a million far as an Instagram. He's straight, but he doesn't give a fuck he paints his nails. And I get like dudes all the time texting me, be like, oh, do I start paying my nails now?

Starting point is 00:54:32 Like my straight friend's like, married friend's like, all that stuff, right? I'm just just, just floored right now. Thank you. I take that as a comma, by the way. I always tell people if I had been a gay chef, I'd be a trillionaire. Yeah, you think so?

Starting point is 00:54:43 Oh my, there's not many. And there's not how to- I would have monetized that shit like you would never fucking know. The gay community is gay chef, I'd be a trillionaire. It's really no gay chefs, that's impossible. There are of course, but can you name one that's that's very fit or not?

Starting point is 00:55:00 I don't know, I don't know. It's sad, we gotta fix that. I mean, it's a nice task, inclusivity and that's basically. That's gonna be okay, so. was this nail polish was interesting. Yeah. So, so that's a lot of what so this photosynthesis thing is like I want dudes given flowers to other dudes. I want like I don't understand why we care so fucking much about these categories, right? That's why you don't like titles. Yeah. I don't see it. I'm like, I'm very big on like, that's why I love NFTs, democratization, right? Yeah. Royal Binder computers doesn't matter what you

Starting point is 00:55:31 look like, you know, if you, if you, how much you weigh, it gets straight, whatever it is doesn't matter, right? So, so this project photosynthesis is just that, it's flowers, which are the most universal form of giving, right, gifts. So, we're going to attract it to it. You know, men, a lot of men like flowers, much to admit. Like, I have fresh cut flowers every week. Love, fuck. You do? Yeah, there's like a thousand plants in my house.

Starting point is 00:55:56 A lot of dudes are like that. Now guys, you know guys now, like, ever since rappers started carrying about clothes and actually paint their nails, which is, rap is like the most macho form of that music. Totally. It's trickled down now. It's like, okay, well, they're gonna start wrapping up. Rocky paints his nails and like this wrapper wears dress, like kid Cuddy wore a dress on SNL. It just shows how subjective it is too. Like, why is it more fashionable? It's more about being like, yeah, I think it's more of a fashion meaning. Imagine if on TV, every man we saw had black nail polish, then you'd be like, man, I'm not a man, if I don't have black nail polish.

Starting point is 00:56:26 Exactly. It's so subjective. Exactly. So this photosynthesis project is flowers that you can plant in the metaverse. Now I'll explain the metaverse is in a second, right? You can plant it and write a note. So let's say your birthday, I give you flower, plant note, these are flowers that last forever. You have to keep this flower, there's a note with it. If one day you were to like sell it to someone, that note still stays, someone else's note could be added, right? So if you wanted, you don't have to even sell it.

Starting point is 00:56:55 You could pass it on generation, generation with notes, they'll live forever. So you could have in this communal garden that's virtual in the metaverse, plant your flower with an out. So, we give 35% of realities that mental health charity. So, a little bit over third ghost mental health.

Starting point is 00:57:14 There's also like community dinners. There's a lot of different perks with the concept, but the main example is that. But then, this is literally your first one. The first that I draw you personally. Right. I've helped other people. Right, so how did you become, that's interesting and I like it. How did you start to be the guy that helps tie dollar sign or whoever it is?

Starting point is 00:57:37 Dollar sign. Whatever. Tie dollar. What the hell is the same? Tie. There's no art. No, don't. Tie was for, by the way, happens with me a lot with that granny. Okay, so how did you become that guy that helps all these other people?

Starting point is 00:57:48 I was early, you know what I mean? So you were just kind of like, there's still so few of us. Like, we're still right. And that's not like, so you were kind of like, just like, again, I'm going to use an analogy, kind of like a very, like, me. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm worse than your granny. Okay, so how, how did you become that guy that helps all these other people? I was early, you know, I mean, like, I're still right. And that's not like, so you're kind of like just like kind of,

Starting point is 00:58:05 again, I'm gonna use an analogy, kind of like a very, like me, I know nothing about makeup or fashion. So I would go ask, you know, someone who I know to help me with like picking on outfit or helping with makeup. But that's just it forever. Think about stuff that hasn't existed.

Starting point is 00:58:20 Like think about like, or they're really, but what I'm saying is I'm just coming to you because you know about it. It's what I'm saying. But exactly,. Like think about, or they're always there. But what I'm saying is I'm just coming to you because you know about it. It's what I'm saying. But exactly, but like think about, think about people going to, like, you know, Tom from MySpace about social media,

Starting point is 00:58:36 back then for like advice, but that social media being a thousand times bigger because now we live in the digital world. Yeah, I know you mean. It's basically that. So it hasn't been that long. So this all happened, let's say two years ago, right, COVID, where you were kind of,

Starting point is 00:58:52 where the boom was. Where the boom was. But that's really when you kind of got involved was with the boom. Like you weren't doing this, like Gary Vee, how long ago was Gary Vee talking about this? Same amount. I think I got in early in him.

Starting point is 00:59:03 I remember because he did a thing. He's like, I got into, I think at the time he said it was like, he's been all of January of last year. Exactly. So I actually got in before that. Well, so you were very good. Not as deep though. I, he got in deeper, faster, but I started before.

Starting point is 00:59:15 You're already kind of doing that. Yeah. So like, but let's just say around the same time, right? It's someone like Gary V. So two years ago, when things really kind of catapulted to another level, I would say in the last year. Yeah. Not even two years ago to another level. I would say in the last year. Not even two years ago. I would say, like, it's like 20 or 24.

Starting point is 00:59:27 I'm FT specific. And FT specifically, but I'm talking Bitcoin and all that other stuff. I mean, it's been ramping up for like, what, seven, eight years now, just since it's been created. Yeah. If you're dying about like the time where it really started getting publicity, it was like, end of 2017 early.

Starting point is 00:59:44 Yeah. That was like the end of 2017 early. Yeah. That was like the last like major spike and then it died. And then now it's like, it's like, yeah. It also depends on time. Yeah. Okay, so. Might be broke right now or a very rich, I don't know. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:57 I mean, this is what I don't understand. So then do you like, do you take mud? So you don't like transfer money. So like, what I mean is in the space, like like let's say I want to buy a monkey picture. That's 500 grams. An ape. An ape, whatever. Not a monkey.

Starting point is 01:00:12 What's it called? Board monkey. Board a. Board a. Board a. Board a. Board a. Board a.

Starting point is 01:00:20 Board a. Board a. Board a. Board a. Board a. Board a. Board a. Board a. Board a. Board a. So depending on how rare there are, right? Oh, okay, I see what you mean. So they have traits, right? Oh, okay. So like, I'm just rough examples. Imagine like that a hat was rare and they have a hat

Starting point is 01:00:30 and that's more rare than no hat. Like that kind. It's more intricate than that, but just in them and so. Yeah, yeah, okay. And my, if I have no money, how do I even start making money in the crypto space? Or am I taking my cash from US money? Yeah, you can convert it.

Starting point is 01:00:44 Yes, that's how people... Like investing in stock markets, the crypto space. Or am I taking my cash from US money? Yeah, you converting it. That's how people like investing in stock markets. The same thing. So you have to have money to do that. You can't just like, I mean, there's no free money. I mean, no, what I'm saying is, but there's, what the conversion raised when I'm talking about is dollar to dollar? No, it can fluctuates. So at any given time, there's been some dips recently, but any given time it's usually Roughly I would say between 3,000 to 4,500 US dollars for one Ethereum. Just talking about your Ethereum. Okay. That's a I mean $30 for no one dollar. Yeah, it's 3,500 or 3,000 to 4,500 dollars, Bitcoin, I'm giving you a very broad fluctuations.

Starting point is 01:01:27 Bitcoin, we're talking about 30,000 to 65,000 dollars for one Bitcoin. That's higher than a Tesla stock, an Apple stock, even if you had both splits of the Apple stock, it's higher than, I mean, there's few stocks that are that, I mean, Berkshire's probably like the only one I can think of. Like, yeah. Like, you're talking about, like, so much power in these coins

Starting point is 01:01:51 for like a Bitcoin. Like, I'm not sure I explained this to my days, like, if I were to buy a Bitcoin, I'm not sure it cost me. And at that time, I was like 65,000 R$, so he's like, the fuck? Yeah, that's, I didn't realize it was that. There's been that about that for 50 cents, by the way.

Starting point is 01:02:03 I know. I know a guy who bought like, about like 10,000 coins for 50 cents. by the way. I know. I know guy who bought like, about like 10,000 coins for 50 cents. When was this? How many years ago? 10, 12, right, I would say. I think so. 10 now, 12. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:14 And am I, okay, so I have all these, Mike, did you have any questions before I continue? Yeah, I mean, like one thing that I really want to emphasize that you brought up is just how open the space is and like how early it is and how we're all anyone who's in the space all the time is like screaming with wide open arms and like people come inside. I think it's so easy because because what if you're not spending all your time in the

Starting point is 01:02:35 space, you're seeing the headlines and what do the headlines say? Four-day sales for $500,000 crypto punks, $300,000. I can't afford that. I can't afford that. I can't afford that. But like, Jen, right now, the opportunities, unbelievable. I say this as myself who just started being active,

Starting point is 01:02:52 talking on Twitter. What do you do? Hold on. So that's a good, that's a good, he's a good bless you. He's a good actual example, because he's like just as getting, you just got into it.

Starting point is 01:03:01 I mean, in the last like six months. I mean, roughly, yeah. I minted in mid, I mean. So you're like six months? I mean, roughly, I minted it in mid- I mean, you're still early though. Like, yeah, I'm just making it up here. I mean, you're actually early still, because I think we're early today. Of course. Well, that's why I'm here,

Starting point is 01:03:14 because he's gonna ask some questions about being someone who's more knowledgeable than I am, but not as knowledgeable as you. No, absolutely. And I think it's really interesting because you come from the standpoint of being super early and having a really big platform

Starting point is 01:03:26 and I'm coming in from like, I've just been interested in it, but I'm really getting my hands deep in the last five, six months, like you said. But I'm creating my own NFT project too, right? And in order to do well in the space, you have to work with other people. It's all about my own experience.

Starting point is 01:03:43 Well, let me give you an example, I might speak to you. I think I read a study, not exact numbers. It was, if you put your stimulus check into a theorem, you'd have $300,000 today. I think that was it. Really? Yeah, because it was like, at the time when they first came out, it was like, it was like $200.

Starting point is 01:03:58 Yeah, so you would have like $300,000 today being, I think, when it hit like $400, $200. Because it was like $20,000. Okay, so what I don't want is- So, something like, yeah. Why when it hit like four hundred twenty X. Okay, so what I don't want. So you know something like yeah. Why is it that like everybody in a dog like my key is doing it, you know, he's doing it. He's smart.

Starting point is 01:04:11 But like, but what, where's no offense to you? But this is where I'm going to say like, well, like who, who cares? Like, but where's the value? Where's the value? I get like if Drake is doing it, people want to own a piece of what Drake is doing.

Starting point is 01:04:23 So, but if I did something or you just, I mean, would it care? That's the thing. We care more about him. That's the thing, the community. Like, you'd like that. That's not that example that you told us earlier. So, so let's say tomorrow Drake drops his NFT. If he comes in and he does like his face, time spent thousand, period like, absolutely fucking not. Because when people invest, they invest in the long-term features. Future. People are afraid of celebrities getting cash and walking out. There's been rappers that have done that. Okay.

Starting point is 01:04:53 Musicians, they're banned from the community. Would you be giving me an example of what you mean? Like, little oozy ver, for example. I have no problem talking about it. It's very open. Like, he came in, he dropped a project, made I think three, four million dollars, whatever it is, like in one day. When he leaves, what do you mean he takes his money? Yeah, because normally when people invest in FTs, they invest in hopeful that it's going

Starting point is 01:05:12 to go up, right? It's like imagine going on an IPO and then closing your company. It's the same thing. So, but what I mean is, so how is he even allowed just to like close shopping and take it's not regulated. So technically like it's out there. You think about this one. They own it now. I think we've had that issue with Kickstarter too, right? I think where people invest in stuff and the business goes and it's like, yeah, yeah, it's the same thing. It's not, it's not, you know, I mean, there's no like police around that because like,

Starting point is 01:05:40 it's like investing. What's the wild law? West. That's what's scary. So much. That's what I'm saying. You don't know it's like investing. What's the wild law less? That's what's scary. It is so much. That's what I'm saying. You don't know who's, there's no government, government, or not government, but there's no group of people or thing. And that's good and bad.

Starting point is 01:05:54 That's good and bad. It's good and bad. But let's say Drake drops an F.T. and he's like, oh, it's gonna be my face time. And people are like, okay, well, that probably doesn't have that much value in the long term. Like there's no utility system, meaning like, probably doesn't have that much value in the long term. Like, there's no, like, utility system meaning, like, this doesn't get me anything other than the picture.

Starting point is 01:06:08 But he comes in and he's like, I'm creating this really cool project. It's a really cool brand and like, I'm gonna give back to charity. I'm gonna build this thing in the metaverse you can have access. I'm gonna do like panels and seminars and stuff like, you see that this, he has like, this 10 year vision.

Starting point is 01:06:22 I'm gonna invest in hits. So I'm gonna be like, this guy is like like, this guy is almost investing in his company. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. So that makes sense to me. That's why celebrities are only good when they, that's what I was saying before, I don't work on them unless they're getting their hands dry. That's why you were saying that earlier.

Starting point is 01:06:38 Because otherwise they won't sell anymore. People don't fall for that bullshit. Because it's a big, but also though, one question I have about that is, let's say Drake drops his picture and then sells it. And he goes, it's still out there, people did buy it. So what do you mean he's closing it up and leaving? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:06:57 Drake did not do that by the way. I know, I'm just using him as an example. So let's say, let's just say I was doing that. I drop a collection today. Okay. And I'm promoting, promoting people like, oh my just say I was doing that. I drop a collection today, right? And I'm promoting a million people, like, oh my, Jeremy is a drop in collection. This is the values of the world. Oh, the value doesn't, it doesn't cheat.

Starting point is 01:07:12 It goes down. Because the losing market is where it's like sneakers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Imagine sneakers. Imagine Supreme launching the world's craziest t-shirt. People are buying it and Supreme is like, you know, fuck, black, fuck, Jews, fuck, we had everybody, we're closing shop. It's worth nothing.

Starting point is 01:07:28 It's worth nothing. Everyone dumps it. And that's the problem with celebrities is that a lot of people don't have the confidence that they're gonna care enough. I understand. But you know, it's so interesting because now I feel like a lot of people,

Starting point is 01:07:41 like Mike, it's actually a good example actually because someone like you who's really truly interested in it, you would actually have a vision and you would want to build it. So that's actually now that makes sense. Then how about the people who are just like randos who are like, hey, I'm on a reality show, I want to drop one. And like everyone's like, they're dropping these end of people.

Starting point is 01:08:00 People got in so good at sniffing out. People are in genuine. Six months ago is different. Oh, yeah. Six months ago, everyone was by everything. Now, everyone is vetting every project really closely. Because we've seen the flops, we've seen the cash grabs. And now it's like meaningful partnerships

Starting point is 01:08:16 or buying into projects you really believe in. And the beauty is, there's a different, like Jeremy brought up, there's, you buy in because you trust and like the person that you're buying into, right? And they're telling you, I'm gonna build this project out over five, 10 years, whatever, right? That's one piece, but the second piece

Starting point is 01:08:32 that's really, really cool is most of these projects that are launching like cool cats, all of these guys, they started with just good art, good community and no real deep, deep utility, right? But the way that things are set up is you're able to reward people who are holding your art NFT with different utilities over time. Like it's technically possible to literally send $5,000 to anybody who holds one specific NFT, right?

Starting point is 01:09:02 I think that would break securities and now there's legal issues, but. So possible though. It is possible. You're sensible. And what people are doing is rewarding their communities over time and like growing together. So they build community first and then the ones who really love and care for their fan base

Starting point is 01:09:18 are like, let me help these guys over three years, five years, 10 years. I understand that. Now that makes sense. And there's a lot of fluctuations in that, right? There's projects where it's like, I know in the community, like let's collaborate on projects

Starting point is 01:09:30 and all the money goes back into this shared, concept. Like treasury. Yeah, if you remember, the Dow is DAO, decentralized anonymous organization. So big thing in the crypto space. Basically, a Dow is a company owned by its all its shareholders which a traditional company is however there's no board of directors. Imagine every member shareholder

Starting point is 01:09:53 is on the board of directors all decisions get voted on anonymously by the owners. So like let's say some FTs are creating dows where it's like all the money gets dumped into a Dow now there's 10 million dollars. What are we going to dumped into a doubt now there's 10 million dollars What are we gonna do with this and there's 10,000 members? Those 10,000 members all vote anonymously equally for where that 10 million will get spent I understand I actually understand so the power is in every individual equally You don't have a board of directors who are like eight-year-old white dudes who are trying to make decisions on like a marketing And it's immediate. It's a vote. It's a media. Yeah. At Weaver, people are our formula.

Starting point is 01:10:28 We believe relationships should be stronger than your internet connection, which is why we're committed to understanding your goals and helping you achieve them. Learn more at Weaver.com. Okay, so let's talk about this. How is an NFT actually even created? What's the process? You said about minting. That's what the minting is. Instead about minting is, but like, now that I understand a little bit more,

Starting point is 01:10:53 now I have an idea of how does, walk me through what even to even get to the minting. Like, if I'm like who I am, I go find you, and I'm like, hey, I want to put, I want to put an NFT project, or Mikey says, what's your project going to be? Is it a picture? What is it? Like, like, sure.

Starting point is 01:11:09 So it's called The Phoenixes. And it's a mental health project. And it resembles how we're all in the space. It's so stressful as crazy as it seems. Because every day, all the things you own are shooting up, shooting down. And it can be really like anxiety-driven because you're always searching for a new project, right? So many people, myself included,

Starting point is 01:11:30 hit a point of burnout in this space because you're just overwhelmed with shit. Every second, you have to be searching for something, and it builds really, really bad habits in you to be glued to your phone, your screens, and not create mental health space for yourself to actually be happy during this crazy revolution. So, I mean, the NFT itself, you're getting a screens and not create mental health space for yourself to like actually be happy during this crazy revolution. So I mean, the NFT itself, you're getting a picture, but that resembles an ads utility in a lot of unique ways. So we built a mobile app that's already out on the app store based on our four years of running our startup habit nest that gives people tools to build better habits in their

Starting point is 01:12:05 life. Right? So owning the NFT, now we're building utility into it where people get access to the app. And what we're able to do, which is so cool, yes, individual holders will get app access, but we're building a tier. So if Jeremy wants to buy our project creator tier, it will give all of the holders of his NFT access to our app too. Oh, that's cool. And then the app itself is going to be built to have gamification to the point where every

Starting point is 01:12:38 day you use it and are putting time in to better your life, you're earning a reward. And there's a lot of ways to go with that It could be a coin or it could be a mini NFT where you like Oh his art is the album art to a musical album. It's a cover Okay, so it's like it's cool. It's a picture of a phoenix is that picture of a phoenix? Yeah, but it become it's even if it's beautiful It's almost irrelevant to the mission. Do you know I mean? Yeah, I always dance if you do it right, it's a bonus. So I'm going to buy, so explain. So break it down for me then, a layman's term share me.

Starting point is 01:13:09 So let's say I'm buying his Phoenix. So there's different ties, right? So you have that example. And you also have crypto punks that have no utilities other than the art. Yeah. But the utility is, I get access to this app. Everything you just said.

Starting point is 01:13:20 Yeah. So how much are you going to sell it for? 0.1 Ethereum. It's like a couple hundred bucks. Depends on the day. Depends on the day, or from like three to 400 ours. So there are projects like has that have utilities, but there's also like the crypto punks,

Starting point is 01:13:33 which is the biggest project, arguably next to board ape. It is the biggest next to board ape. Have no utilities, it's just purely the art. So that's more of the bragging right kind of Pokemon, rare Pokemon card that we had, or sports cards going up, it's the same equivalent to that. So that's more of the bragging right kind of Pokemon, rare Pokemon card that we had or sports cards going up, it's the same equivalent to that. So that's exactly what I'm gonna ask you. So basically, so digital art was the catalyst

Starting point is 01:13:52 to basically sprung off all these other things, right? So, and this is kind of what, now this kind of it does remind me of like how we would trade you know, baseball cards or the Pokemon Pokemon kids, but does the Pokemon cards. This is kind of a digital version, more or less. Correct, and what people need to understand too is there's no unlimited quantities. When things get minted, when I sit,

Starting point is 01:14:15 I explain it earlier, that's what makes them an NFT. You mint X amount of times. Board 8 has 10,000 pieces, crypto-punks has 10,000 pieces. So there is a limited supply. That's all that exists. There will not be more,000 pieces. Like, that's it. So there is a limited supply. That's all that exists. There will not be more unless to do another collection that's separate.

Starting point is 01:14:28 I got it. So there is scarcity in this. It's not like you can't just like wait forever to buy your board apes. Like that's why there is a limited amount and once they're sold, they're sold. And that's why they're worth a lot. So like, think about this way.

Starting point is 01:14:40 Like if I, let's say the Kevin Hart bought one recently, you know, the fact that Kevin Hart owned it, it's almost like it's already worth more. Right. Because he owned it, right? Or someone like prominent like that. So these things gained value also because they're rare. It's like that's the only one that's the only one that's owned. So right now I'm going to get the only one that's the only one that's owned if you ever

Starting point is 01:14:59 sells it. If you ever sell it. Okay. So then what's this thriller project that you're doing? It's Triller. Triller. Triller is the Michael Jackson song. Triller. So I'm actually doing an NFT documentary,

Starting point is 01:15:16 eight episodes, 30 minutes, called probably nothing. I'd like to do this. Yeah, exactly. A lot of ideas on names. Yeah, exactly. So it's actually based off of my project, probably nothing, but it's actually to educate people in the space. We'll have a lot of different like celebrities talking about how it affected them, but also

Starting point is 01:15:32 shine a light about everything we're talking about the community aspect. Like, I want people to watch this documentary and be like, oh, fuck, like just like you, I had no idea about this kid in India. These stories, like, I didn't know this was happening. This is so big. Like, I want to shed a light on the actual community aspect and make it something you wouldn't expect. Is it basically you just talking to a bunch of people?

Starting point is 01:15:50 Yeah, it follows me around, I kind of explain how the process works, interview a lot of people in the space, different projects. How do you come about? They approach me and they're like, we want to do an FT show. And I was like, only if I get full crew control. And that's what they said, yes. And it's not. Yeah, because the thing is you have to have someone deep, deep, deep, deep, deep do it because the first person

Starting point is 01:16:10 is going to do a documentary. It's going to be like, word a crypto puns, Miami party, it's Lamborghini, it's going to be like the shittiest, doucheyest thing ever. And so it's only going to be, you can see it on Triller. Triller TV and like, where the fuck else they put it, yeah. And then who are you interviewing in it? Or who are you talking to?

Starting point is 01:16:23 Who else is it? So I have to watch and see? You won't give me one name? No. Would I know anybody? You'll know almost everyone. Really? Big people.

Starting point is 01:16:30 And the people that you don't know are as people you should know, because the leaders of the community that are important. And then we're going to shed a light on those projects that had an impact that probably wouldn't get a show ever documentary because it's not, people don't know enough about it,

Starting point is 01:16:45 but since I'm so deep in it, those are people on how to do it the most. And we're gonna have celebrities give respect to that as well. You know, it's what it is. I love that. So that's a great project for you. Thank you. So now you've become like the, you know,

Starting point is 01:16:57 the go-to guy for NFTs. For now? For now. Until the kid that's 10 years younger than me gets it more than I do. Exactly, I'm with the granny. Not to hire him. That's's why you go higher him. Okay, so then we're gonna do we're gonna wrap this one And we're gonna do a part two and get into like all the other stuff the matter is web 3 all that stuff Yes, because there's like too much to do in like one episode because there's it's just it's like the internet

Starting point is 01:17:22 There's like way way way too much. It's even bigger than the internet. It's even bigger. What's bigger than the internet? NFTs. NFTs. Web 3. Web 3, many of us. Oh, it's going to be bigger than the internet.

Starting point is 01:17:33 Like it actually is. You think so? 100%. Yeah. It's, yeah. OK, well, you'll tell us next time because this is going to be too long of a podcast and then people are going to tune out anyway.

Starting point is 01:17:43 And I want people to know and understand this information. So Jeremy Fall, your documentary on Triller is going to be out now, is it? Yeah, I'm just paying you a little bit more. What if anyone is trying to out? It's probably out now. Let's just say my documentary is out now, probably nothing. That's good. And you can also follow you on Jeremy Fall. Yeah, on all social platforms. And also follow now probably nothing. That's good. And you can also follow you on Jeremy Fall.

Starting point is 01:18:05 Yeah, on all social platforms. And also follow at probably nothing. Yes. And is there anything else? No, there's more than enough. Okay, I think so. It's more good. I think that's plenty right now.

Starting point is 01:18:15 Yeah, they'll get their earn from. This is awesome. Okay, well, you've been very, very good actually. You've kind of really did break it down very late in terms for the, you know, average bear like myself who knows very little about technology, about crypto, and yeah, that's why you're going to come back and do part two. Absolutely.

Starting point is 01:18:32 Awesome. Thanks, Mike. Thanks for helping me here. Yeah, of course. That was very fun. Thank you. And thank you guys. Bye.

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Habits and Hustle - Episode 168: Jeremy Fall – Restaurateur turned NFT creator, founder of Probably Nothing and Photosynthesis

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