Habits and Hustle - Episode 169: Chris Appleton – World-Renowned Conceptual Hairstylist and Global Creative Director for Color WOW Hair

Episode Date: May 31, 2022

Chris Appleton is a world-renowned conceptual hairstylist and Global Creative Director for Color WOW Hair. If you’re worried this episode is just going to be about hair, I promise it’s not. Don’t worry though, if you were wanting hair discussion, there’s plenty in here. Chris established himself as a hairstylist in London and before long was being contacted for opportunities in the U.S. After making the difficult decision to move for work Chris soon found himself as the “go-to” stylist for Christina Aguilera, Dua Lipa, Jennifer Lopez, and so many more fashion/style-forward celebrities. This episode dives much deeper as we look into how Chris got to where he is and what keeps him grounded in a fast-paced world known for wild partying. If you’re looking for tips and tricks for your own hair or are interested in how a professional celebrity stylist works this episode’s got you covered. Alternatively, if you’re interested in hearing how someone went from styling their poor mom’s hair to helping make her feel good to launch into a career as one of the most well-known stylists in the world, give this one a listen. Youtube Link to This Episode Chris Appleton’s Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/chrisappleton1/ Chris Appleton’s Youtube – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjSnCJAj79UYXJCi6gQSWcQ ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Did you learn something from tuning in today? Please pay it forward and write us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts. 📧If you have feedback for the show, please email [e-mail]  📙Get yourself a copy of Jennifer Cohen’s newest book from Habit Nest, Badass Body Goals Journal. ℹ️Habits & Hustle Website 📚Habit Nest Website 📱Follow Jennifer – Instagram – Facebook – Twitter – Jennifer’s Website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chris and I sit down, we speak all about his evolution and rise to being the go-to guy for anything glam beauty hair. It was a great talking to him. And also, of course, getting some great little hair secrets and tips and tricks. So please enjoy the podcast. Leave me a comment. Let me know what you think. Enjoy.

Today on the podcast, we have Chris Appleton, who is a celebrity hair stylist. And would you even say a model? I mean, you look like a Greek God, but I mean, I mean, for dope attempt, you've never heard anybody say that before, but... I think the term being a model is like interesting, because it's like, oh, you're, you know, of a look that, you know, people aspire to look like, or one, or what sells. I don't know, I always find it an interesting thing. It doesn't resonate with me very well, just because I don't feel like,

I know it looks nice, and people say, oh, you look cute and stuff, but I find it's an interesting thing. It doesn't resonate with me very well just because I don't feel like, I know it looks nice and people say, oh, you look cute and stuff. But I think it's really like what I've learned the hard way living in a light really is more about the inside than is the outside of, you know, what makes a person good or aspire to be, you know, I think that means more to me than. So yeah, a lot of people are like, oh, you're handsome, but you know, and it's very nice. But I think it's more, I feel more, I guess complimented when people are like, oh, you're handsome, but you know, and it's very nice, but I think it's more, I feel more, I guess complimented when people are like, you know, he's a really, actually a really nice guy,

you know, or someone says something nice, rather than just, you know, face value. Yeah. Just face value, most of Hollywood is good looking, you know, become, become part of the, you know, Hollywood makeover. I love that you actually just said that, and you've started with that because in the

business that you're in, right? Like you're in the business of beauty number one, right? Like that's what you're doing. You're basically known for these transformations and for those that you don't know Chris Appleton, like I say, he's a and everyone can like use these terminologies like celebrity, you know, hair stylist or whatever, but you literally do like everybody. You do J-Lo, you do Kim Kardashian, you do virtually like everybody, like you did like do a leap on for the Grammys just recently. Yeah.

I guess my first real question is how did you get started? That's the first part. And then how did you become the go-to guy for like for Hollywood taste makers and a-listers? You know Kim Kardashian was recently quoted saying you know get up off your ass and go to work you know and I think that got misinterpreted to what she means because she's actually incredibly I think she's incredibly respectful for that but I think she just I think she's basically

saying what I feel is that, you know, hard success doesn't come from not working hard. People just think, oh, you're lucky or I came in tap you on the shoulder. It's because you're cute. Oh, it's because you're British. It's because you're whatever, but it really comes down to hard work. So yeah, I mean, I started doing hair when I was 13. In the salon, that's when I got my first job. I started earlier than that. When I was maybe around eight or nine, I used to do my mom's hair. Then it really started off from doing my mom's hair

because she was a mother of five. She had a really kind of quite hard life. She had a lot of traumas in her life. And I realized that when I did her hair, and she looked in the mirror, shoulders would go back and I think she resonated feeling like a different person. Like, you know, she forgot about being a mum of five

and she felt glamorous. You know, she saw herself in a way that, you know, she never knew she could see herself be. And I was always really inspired by the power of transformation. And back then, it was kind of like Madonna was the only one that was doing that kind of thing. You know, every album should have a very distinct look and really transform herself.

And now it's become part of a culture that, you know, thanks to Instagram and stuff, we're all changing our looks all the time. But I think for me, I was just always inspired by the power of transformation. But looking good is one thing, but I think feeling good was really where I got, you know, addicted to the job.

And I remember my first job in a salon at the age of 13, and I stood there. I remember where I was standing, I can close my eyes now and see it. And someone would walk in, you know, with their shoulders down and walk in with their shoulders down and just regular the hair was tied back, and then they would walk out a different person. The hair would be flowing in, the shoulders would be back, and they were feeling themselves. I think the real artistry is not just about the end result, it's really about how great

you can make people feel from cancer patients, from cancer patients, people that are going through a real trauma and how you can make a difference to their day and, you know, looking good and feeling good is really valuable. So yeah, I think it started with that. I kind of kept the same philosophy throughout my whole career. It doesn't matter if it's J.L.O. or if it's Mrs. Jones that came in the salon every week, you know, that's my goal. Make people look great, allow my craft, I learn every aspect of hair,

push myself to know everything, work very hard at that. And then the rest comes from, I guess the type of person you are and what it means to you to see people look and feel good and how rewarding that is to you as a person. So yeah, that's kind of my journey. I mean, obviously in between I've done everything,

I've done the salon, I've done editorial hair, fashion week, I've done, you know, color degrees and used to travel to London with my suitcase. It was like a two hour train journey because I'm from a small town in Northern England called Lester and I've gone the train for two hours and going assist and take my suitcase and, you know, come back and just did it for years, just kept laying

as like a sponge. I just made sure that even if I was assisting and just passing pins, I'd be watching what people were doing, how they were taught to the clients, how they would do the hair, how they would scoop the hair, what made them good at what they do, what made them different, what made them the best at that time, how did they finesse that?

So I just kind of like absorbed all of that information. So I guess when I moved absorbed all of that information. So I guess when I moved to LA, when I was around 30, I was pretty equipped in the technical knowledge of knowing good hair and knowing what to do. So I think quickly word got around, and I guess Instagram is thankful for, people get to see your work.

And they wanna know like, oh, who is this guy? They'll look, I'm all the time like, oh so and so it's good, let me see you work. And they wanna know like, oh, who is this guy? They'll look, I'm all the time like, oh, so and so it's good. I'm like, let me see their Instagram. Because you get a vibe, you know? You get a vibe of what they're, it's face value vibe, but sometimes that's all you need to know

just to sort of see if that's gonna work. You or not. Well, so the visual Instagram is a visual platform. So that's a great way to see people's work, right? I mean, what you do. But you said something earlier about work ethic and hard work and that's a great way to see people's work, right? I mean, what you do, but you said something earlier about work ethic and hard work and that's basically I agree with you, Cam, whoever else believes and agrees with that. Couple things, you know, I've noticed and I was kind of saying this

before, like, you do all everything in here, right? You can do color, you can cut, you can do all these different types of stylings. And I feel like I've only noticed people, they're very like specific, like if you go to a color person or you go to a cut person. So you are doing that at a young age, you were kind of learning all the different elements of doing hair. Yeah. Right. And so what when when you had known person back in London, or was it only when you, because when you moved here at 30 you said like eight years ago. That's not a very long time to kind of, you like blew up right? Like it had been pretty popular for a very long time. Where did that kind of start? Was it a right, were you ready like getting a lot of traction back home?

Um, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I was working with Rita Ora, she's like a pop star. Yeah. And what's at the time? I know Rita, actually. And you know, she was kind of, we were always doing different looks. And back then, she was the only one kind of doing that. It was before Garghar and stuff. It was, we, in her hair would be short and long and then pink and blue. And I think, you know, posting on Instagram,

people just kind of noticed it. She was always changing her hair. And then eventually got an email from JLo's team saying, was I available to do a hair for the Vegas show when she was starting to do the Vegas show. And I was thinking like, oh wow, that's cool, but you know, that's JLo and I'm here in England so probably never happened.

And that's when I kind of fought to myself, you know, I think if I need to take it to the next level, I have to move, I have to go to America and I think I have to try it, I have to be in Hollywood, because no one's gonna fly you over from England. Like if you're available when their person isn't, you get to go in there, but otherwise, you know, I was like, I think I just have to take the leap of faith. And I did,

and I left my apartment, I just liked everything. It was all actually really crazy to think about because I finished work and moved Rita on the 23rd of December and I moved to LA on the 24th. I took two suitcases. I left my fully-fantished apartment. All my, you know, everything I had, a whole hair thing, a whole hair section, I had a fully-fantished apartment, all my, everything I had a whole hair thing, a whole hair section I had, a fully-fantished apartment with a studio I had, all my like photos, all my awards and stuff I'd wanted, just left everything. Just sort of, I was like, I'm just gonna do it.

It's like now or never, like if I overthink this, it's like I'm gonna kid it, it's like I'm gonna wait for the perfect time. It's like, well, you'll never have enough money and you'll never have quite the perfect relationship. There's always something that you could think of an excuse for. So it's like, I just gonna do it.

I'm just gonna go. I'm just gonna go and I did it. And for the first three months, I didn't do anything. And I remember crying. I was like, I'm giving up everything. I'm gonna spend all my money. And then I got a call from Christine Aquilaris people to do a half of the voice.

This was interesting. I had like three hours for glam, and I remember on my way, I'd done a lot of research as you do on who you're gonna work with, and you know, Saul had iconic videos, and you know, she did dirty and all the amazing stuff, which made me feel even more anxious

because my god, she's such a legend. And then we got to the voice, and everything in America is just so much bigger, the supermarket is a big, everything and the voice in the UK is small compared to the one in the US. And there was three hours for glam and sitting there excited, patiently waiting and the makeup artist went in and then waited a little bit longer, like an hour went by and I said, OK, got two hours, it's good. And then another hour went by and I said, oh my god, I've only got an hour. And then like 40 minutes went by and I was like, this 20 minutes left. So she got me in the last 20

minutes before the live show. And I went in and she's like, okay, what do you want to do? You know, hey, and I was like, okay, you know, I was thinking like this week would look really cool. And she's like, I've tried weeks. I don't like them. And I was like, of course, she's tried to, she's twisting and I go, she's tried everything. She's worked with everyone. Right. And so I started kind of like styling her and I was probably like 15 minutes left. You know, I was like, of course she's tried to, she's twisting and I go, she's tried everything, she's worked with everyone. Right. And so I started kind of like styling her hair and I was probably like 15 minutes left. You know, I was like, and you know, obviously 15 minutes is not a long time

to make your impression. You know, you want to do something. Right. You know, I'd been booked because I'm known to be like the man that transforms. And then I was like, I just, the mother of my kids who actually were like best friends, I'd spoke to her on the way in the car

and I was really nervous and she said to me, we'll think of it this way, if you don't make this work, you're gonna have to come home, you know, because she can't stay there forever and not work and I was like, you're right. So she kind of came into my head and I was like, if I don't make this work, I'm going home and I said, oh, fuck it. So I just got away and I put it on her. I was like, you know, I mean, we should try these, I just look at it and she was like, oh, she was like, actually, this looks good and she said to her stylist, my mom, what do you think? She was like, I like it. She was like, oh, she was actually so good. And she said to her stylist, my, what do you think? She was like, I like it. She was like, okay. And so I just quickly put on those,

probably like 10 minutes. She rushed off on TV. She was live on TV and it's out there. And I remember sitting there taking pictures of the screen, I was sending it to Kate and I was like, what do you think? And she's like, it looks great. And then there was like a little break

and she kind of was standing there talking to the upper judges and she looked over at me and she went, everyone liked her wig. And I just kind of looked away and I was just like at that moment, I was like, I did it, she, you know, I did good, you know. And I guess that was the beginning of my relationship with her and, you know, and then I guess it became a knock-on effect. And we did like the lavender hair with the hair hoops in it and everyone just kind of, I guess people, people, when someone's doing something different, like who's doing that? Who's working about it? You know what I mean? It's just their natural things.

I kind of do a bit of investigation if you're into that stuff. And then started working for our own agrande and then I started working with Katy Perry and then Kim and then J. Well, J. Lo was working with her. And it's funny because when I started working with J. Lo, she said to me, it was for a music because when I started working with J. Lovah, she said to me, it was for a music video and I was doing her and she said, oh, I knew you were the man for the job. And I was like, cool, and I was like,

I wonder how she thinks that. And then she said, I've had my eye on you for a while. So she, you know, a social media, because she would look. And people are always looking. People are always interested, especially in the grand wild, you're like, oh, her's pretty cool.

What are you doing there? You know, when some things done well, you get to see, especially when you know you share, you know, especially when you's pretty good. What are you doing that? When something's done well, you get to see, especially when you know you shit, especially when you know what's good hair and what's good makeup and what's not bad good makeup. So yeah, it was just kind of a roll on effect from that. So yeah, it has been a bit of a world wind

and everyone's like, you're successful now. And it's very funny because I get stopped a lot now and people want to take pictures or they think they know me or something. And I find that kind of still very interesting because I don't feel any different to how I did one as 13 really and I just started doing it because I like making people look and feel good.

And I guess it was beyond my wildest dreams to be in the position that I am now. But I am and then, but I still just feel like, I guess Instagram, you know, with those millions of followers, there's a real people that follow your life, whereas to me it's almost like a number game. How many likes, how many followers? It's like a computer game, it's just like fun.

But when people actually stop you and go, oh my God, you posted that thing about your mom and it meant so much to me, or you know what I'm like, oh my God, wow, but real people already resonate with this. To me, it's almost like a journal of my life. I'm kind of like here and there, I'm working with this, I'm doing this, and things I'm like, oh my god, wow, but real people are really resting there. To me, it's almost like a journal of my life. You know, I'm kind of like here and there, I'm working with this, I'm doing this, and you know, things I'm proud of, obviously.

And I say, yeah, it's still kind of, you know, when people stop me, like, it's really sweet, and I love it. But it's always interesting how people feel like they know you. Right, when they don't, they don't. But, you know, you, I guess, you know, that's part of it. And it's also because they see you,

I mean, you have like a huge Instagram account, obviously, but also you're always in the shot or the background of J-Lo's or Kim Kardashian, who have like hundreds of millions. So it's even like that, that like subconscious, like they've seen you, but they don't know how they know you, and then they see your stuff. So you're always kind of in the vicinity. In a way. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by Nerds Candy. Calling all the stylish, trend-setting nerds out there. The sneaker heads and makeup beans. The film buffs and reality TV lovers. The style icons, the pop culture geeks. When nerds come together, we live louder, celebrating our passions in our own way. So let's raise our nerds in unison.

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No, she wanted to try wakes and stuff and I think I wasn't available. So I couldn't do it. I was the number one. Right. So she missed it. You didn't get it. I missed it. Yeah, I just wasn't available. So then it was kind of waiting for the next opportunity to be available. Wow. Who's the other person that's like that's if you're not if you're unavailable someone else like who who for who for For hair for like I think everyone has different people know for whatever reason and maybe this is it like I only know you I don't even know another person that is mainstream. I feel I mean, I think there's something for everyone

Everyone's amazed. I think there's lots of people our respects And I know I'm just amazing people, but I'm just asking for you, like, who do you look to? Who's that really good? Oh, I'm always looking for inspiration, but it would just be like girls doing the hair on TikTok or like YouTube or someone like when I used to be on the subway and watching girls how they would've done the hair.

And I don't know, I'm reading to like street style and how, because the hair I do, I don't think it's like, I'm a god, it's not like it's crazy hair that people can't achieve. I just like to create beautiful hair and I'm just fascinated how people create that. I think a lot of mine is about, but Kim said to me once that she can always tell

when I've done someone else's hair and I said, how, she said, it's the quality you get, it's the finish you get to the hair. So I think that's kind of like, you know, my signature thing, it doesn't matter what the stylist is, if it's straight, curly up down, whatever it's like, the kind of looks finished to the quality of the hat, like the polyshinness of it. Like, you know, that's obviously why we're with Colour Wild, because, you know, their

really just, our relationship was very natural, because it was just about me using great products to create good hair, you know, and the relationship was very natural, and kind of... How did it happen, actually, because I was going. And kind of had to happen actually, because I was gonna bring that up down the road here, but since you brought it up. Well, it was really organic. It wasn't a proposed thing. It was always used in their products,

and they were like, you know, kind of seen the hair or was there a relationship, first of all, with them. Like, how did you get in my- Um, the global creative director. But, you know, really, I'm just kind of the, you know, hair guy and they're like, family to me, we have a great relationship, we talk about a lot about product development,

we talk a lot about what the market is missing. Gail Federici, who owns Colourwav, she made John Frieda. So she made John Frieda John Frieda. That back in the day, sold for like 500 million, which was big, the biggest. It was huge. She knows her the day sold for like 500 million, which was the biggest, you know. She knows her stuff. She knows about hair care. She has problems some hair herself.

And a lot of it was just really about solving, like they did the range called frizzies. And because she had frizzy hair. And she's like, there's nothing for like frizzy hair that doesn't make your hair grease. So she would try everything on herself. And she kind of just really knows what women one, and you know, from being a woman herself, you know having real-day hair problems like their root powder touch up you know because her grade would come through and there was nothing that didn't smudge it everywhere. Yeah you said that to me it's a good because I haven't used that. Amazing yeah and you can even swim in it it doesn't smudge it's like the small differences which make all the difference. Yeah that's a one that you have to be very careful with the root the root stuff.

Yeah because like sprays and stuff tend to be sort of messy and can go everywhere, whereas the powder just goes on effortlessly, it doesn't go anywhere, it stays in the colour, pigmentation is perfect to blend with all hair colours. But I think Gail had sort of saw a lot of people's books and she was just kind of, I mean her, well she was out of board by it, everyone was always presenting me books and she's like, I just, it wasn't doing anything because she'd seen everyone, she'd done everything. Right. And I think when she saw mine, she said it was the first time she kind of gone, oh, you know, this guy is doing something different, but it was still beautiful and, you know, pushing the boundaries, but not in a

like, you know, because you can push the boundaries, but then when you push the boundaries too far, it almost becomes like a costume. It's like Halloween stuff, you know, I mean, it was too much. And I think I was trying to keep it on the air of, you know, aspiration of what we know for people. So yeah, I spoke to her and we just hit it off. And then, you know, I'd be like, you know, I think you need this product or that. And I think one of our main products we brought out was the Dreamco because it kind of changed the whole hair game. Is that a spray? Yeah. So basically, it's got like a waterproof furniture, so it stops hair frizzing from any moisture in the air

or any humidity, it can't penetrate the hair. It's almost like, if you actually spray it on hair and put water droplets, the hair, the water droplets just sit on top of the hair, you can shake them off, they don't absorb into it. Really? Yeah, I mean, I use that on JLo for Super Bowl. You know, in Miami, it's not worse.

Oh, it's a tell me, buddy. Eddie style, like, you know. The worst. And I didn't know how it took off the afternoon. She didn't want stage until 7, and she kept it down the whole day. It wasn't all we didn't get. I didn't get to touch it on her. Didn't get frizzy?

No, because the dream co-op prepped it. Well, I'm a really big product guy, because I use it to really kind of create like the foundation fair. So, you know, our relationship with Dreamco was just very natural because I was doing that very polished hair and that looks finished, no matter what it was. And Dreamco really locked that in. So, not only did it protect it from humidity and frizz, it gave you that very looks finish.

And it's like as light as water. So, another thing that was fresh about it. Most products that could try and compare to don't because they just make the hair greasy or heavy and people don't like that. So it's, you know, I really, I kind of just blew the hair care well up and then we bought our own product together. The money, which is just kind of, everyone loves.

This is great. Yeah, the money. This is like a very intense, is it like a conditionary? It's actually not intense. Most, I wanted to bring out a mask with color well This is like a very intense, is it like a conditioner? It's actually not intense. I wanted to bring out a mask we call a walk, because I felt like, you know, I'm about good condition to have, and you can do as much to it as you want, but if your hair is not in good condition, it's never going to look great. So we brought out a mask that was different in texture. It's the first texture on the market like it, where it's almost like a gel texture, because to me,

masks were like one of those things that women use once a month, and they leave it on for 20 minutes or sleep in it, but it was just not like a real life everyday thing because there were too much of a mission to accomplish. And also, it was like making your hair flat after and didn't do anything. You know, it was soft, but it was flat to your head. So I wanted a mask that actually restored the moisture levels and the protein levels your hair needs, but also when you did your hair, you felt like you had some guts and some vavavum and like some volume.

Yeah, so if you blow dried it, it had hold and bounce. And if you kind of blow dried the hair out, it had like a quality finished at the hair. So super light, but does all of the necessary work. And that's why we called it money because it was like that money shot. Great on all hair textures, where it's curly straight,

collaterated or not treated. And I think that's why we came so popular, it sells out that money shot. Great on all hair textures, whether it's curly straight, collaterated or not treated. And I think that's why we came so popular. You know, it sells out all the time. I think we sold out a bit four times in the US. Really? Yeah, it even held up on launch in England because we just couldn't make it fast enough. Can you put it on your roots?

Because I was going to ask you about, like, how do you get the perfect salon blowout at home? Yeah, it's just such a regularly asked question. And I think people are getting better at it. I mean, obviously involves a blow dry but which is probably the part people struggle with. But a lot of it for me is about prepping the hair into a good quality because if you blow dry your hair out and it's dry then you're going to have so much more work into like smoothing it out. So for me by using you know using the Colourwell, the Colour Security Shampoo and Conditioner, the Colour Security security shampoo is amazing because

it basically doesn't leave any ingredients behind on the scalp. So a lot of products that offer moisture or protein or volumizing, they leave a lot of crap behind on your scalp and on your hair, which over time can impede hair loss, it can make your hair way down, greasy, lifeless. The shampoo from Kuala L'Oourwell doesn't do that. So it doesn't contain any extra ingredients. It cleans the hair, cleans the scalp and keeps it fresh. The condition is beautiful. It hydrates the hair. Stremphons and gives it a beautiful shine.

Or if you're using the money mask, it's a little bit more intense. You can use that twice a week. There's a little bit more of an extra condition in. But that's like a great foundation to just having soft, beautiful, ready to go hair. I always... But have a technique-wise, like technique.

Like if I was to wash my hair with all the color well. Yeah. And then what? So then I'd prep it. I always prep hair and I might want to do it with a color of our dream coat because that's going to give me the finish that I want, that's going to give me that looks finish and I know moisture is going to affect it and make it frizzy. And then I usually cheat it. So I dry the hair

to it's like 90% dry. It's so funny. I see so many girls on TikToks and they start with their Dyson Air app and their hair is soaking wet and I'm like, okay, good luck. You're going to be there forever. And it's probably just going to drop out. So you want to get 90% in the moisture out just because no one's got the arm strength below drying the hair from soaking wet to dry. And even if you think it's dry, you then touch it after it's probably still damp. So 90% dry, I usually use a big round bristle brush, just grab big sections. I get some of the color well raised the root

and I just put a couple of pumps on the root because that basically's like scaffolding, so it just gets it off your head and gives it some volume. So even when I'm doing a sleek look, I'll still give it some volume at the root because no one was like a pea head, you know. Right. You put conditioner on the roots,

can I have a nod? Yeah, you can do, yeah, definitely. Just a little bit. I mean, mid-lamps and ends are older hair, so it's had more wear and test. I mainly mid-lamps and ends, but I've run it through the roots after. Whatever you've got left on your head,

I wouldn't slap it on your roots straight away. I would go on mid-lamps and ends and then walk it up to the root. And then you put curlers on top, so to get... So then you're gonna blow dry your hair with big round brush, just so you get that looks kind of finish. And then you can run it with a flatly nine or you could just use like a big big big Calinion like maybe a Two or three inch just to kiss the ends or even some big Velcro rollers if you're not very good with curling

You have a Calinine Velcro rollers are great Yeah, you can then put you make a point in stuff and you know I mean, so do you do you say velcro rollers over that or that? I just think that a girl's can't use a curling iron. I think that can do it. So I think velcro rollers are a great way to just give me that blowout look and then why the rollers are in you can do you make up go do the kids breakfast just go live your life do whatever you got to do. When you did JLo's here for the Super Bowl what what did you how did you do that was it the dream co blowout and then I did a double curl technique

where I used a small curling iron first to get a tight curl which obviously would be way too tight and then I brush it out and go with a much larger curling iron. Really what that does is it kind of gives it the hair so much biome bounce. You know when you do a tiny curl and your hair and your brush it out and it's like, you're doing it. That's too tight. But then you know sometimes you do a really big curl, it looks good and then drops straight out. So if you do the tight curl first, it gives the hair like this real strong base and then you go in and loosen it over bigger one, but it still has the bite.

It still has that bounce and that kind of hold value. So it's called a double curl. A double curl. What are the basic essentials that people should have for their hair? Besides, of course, all the color of wow stuff. Is there like other things that you need, like those velcro rollers, like you said? Or... It's different.

Some people have super curly hair, some people have straight hair, some people have... Frizzy hair. I feel like thin hair, so many people have thin hair. So everyone's different. I think it's really just about to get a personalized range for you. But I think universally what everyone can do is start with the right shampoo and the right conditioner, which is the Dreamcoe Color Wow. Sorry, the... Money.

...dream-clean shampoo. And either the money mask or the regular conditioner. That's actually just a great foundation for like shiny glossy soft hair. You know what I mean? Like, that's a great foundation for a blowout, curl in your hair. Whatever text you have is just a good base. Whereas if you're using something that's covered in cellar cones and all these extreme gradients, your hair kind of starts off life. It starts off in a bad way. It starts off wrong. So I think they're the kind of

basics and then the rest is up to the individual, and there's different products for everyone. So now, I was saying before, I think you're on the phone, you know, in this different products for everyone. So now, like, so I was saying before, you were, I think, you're on the phone. But I was wondering, like, when someone, because you're so popular now, and you have everybody, when there's like a Met Gala, for example, and you have Jaila wants to use you, and Kim wants to use you, or whoever, how do you decide who do you go to, where do you go? Like, if everyone's using you for the Oscars, or for the Grammys, how can you do that? It's always down to, I don't know, it sounds like a silly, it's more like who gets in

at first. I don't pick one over the other, but it's usually just about who books at first. Kim books me straight away last year from, as soon as we've done the Met Ball, she book me for the year after. Oh, she did, okay. Yeah. Smart. So that's what happens.

Like, so do people get in, do you get, I mean, there's a lot of big personalities, is it like, is it difficult because they're like, why are you going to JLo get in there? No, everyone respects each other. And they know like, it's just like, yeah, I want him to, like, I get it. Does your hair good?

Do you know what I mean? He's also with a great people, I don't think it's like, you know, I kill joy, it's like, oh, it's just like, yeah, I want him too. Like I get it. Does your hair good? Do you know what I mean? He's also with a great people, I don't think it's like, you know, I kill joy. It's like, oh, it's just like, okay, you know, see who else is, you know, available. But yeah, I mean, I think that's why you have an adering because they usually kind of negotiate all of that stuff. I don't honestly get involved with that much stuff.

I kind of just roll up. You said today, like, you know what you're doing? I'm like, not really. I'm just here because it's on the schedule and that's the next thing. My schedule is really busy and it's always kind of like backwards and forwards flying here there and everywhere. And there's always so much different stuff going on. Last minute dramas, there's always so much shit to sort out. So honestly, I'm not that on my schedule because I just know

I'm going to be doing stuff and I kind of just turn off and I feel like I'm like, I have to be in good energy. I can't be like, oh God, I've gotta go here now. So I think I keep my mind light by not knowing that because my agent does, so she would just tell me where I need to be and I'm just a part of it. I'm not like, oh God, I've gotta do that. Because there's certain things

that I just need to stress about, and it's not my schedule. It's not how good they're going to look on the red carpet, and does it look perfect? Then the whole world's going to say something about it. I can't be stressing about my schedule as well, that's just not really what I want to do. So much more of my agent because they're out. So, hello agent. So what is the day and the life of you? Like, what time, like I want to get into all this other stuff, but like, what do you do? What time do you wake up?

What is your routine? What are your habits? I normally wake up around seven, and if I wasn't doing anything, usually seven o'clock seems to be my wake up time. I like to woke up first thing. I like to get it done just because of why I'm chasing the day we're working out. I like to work out because mentally it makes me feel really great and it makes me feel like I'm doing something for myself. So then I feel like I can give to others and one of the big things I've learned throughout life is, you know, if you're not giving me my to yourself, it's very exhausting and draining to give to others because you can only give so much.

So that's like my time where I get to sort of focus on myself and I kind of become known on Instagram as the guy with a good body and stuff and yeah, obviously that's a nice compliment. Obviously I like to look good if I take my top off. Just mentally, I feel good, I feel better if I feel comfortable, but I think more it's about my mental state of mind doing something for myself. It affects everything. It starts my day off eating right. It makes me feel more focused, you know, as if I don't train and I'm tired, I get sluggish and I eat shit and then I feel worse. And then I was, it was like a bad energy with me. So I always like to work out the first thing and then usually, you know, I'm on set.

Yesterday I landed from Vegas, from the Grammys, we landed and we went straight to set from the plane and we did a shoot all day and then I didn't manage to walk out so I went straight to the gym after, got home, had my dinner, went to bed, woke up this morning, went to the gym, did a just shot with an influencer, got in the car to you, and then I'm getting in the car after I'm going to do another influencer for another light tutorial, TikTok thing. And then tomorrow I go to Kim's and then we have the premiere for the new show and then there's another premiere and then I'm going to Germany for some, I don't know. It sounds like a crazy schedule though. You get to have a lot of energy to kind of

keep up with that schedule. No, since I'm serving major. My agent's here and he's a clock guy. She's from the war group. She's honestly the nicest person. She's very kind. She's very kind. She's very calm. She's very practical and real, which is good for me because I'm a bit of a dreamer sometimes

and I'm a bit of a fantasy kind of guy. Like, you know, I'm like, oh, we can do this and she's like, well, logistically, that won't work. That's not going to happen. There's only so many hours in the day. But every now and again, I'll call her and like, it happens probably once every six months where I get really overwhelmed. And then I'm like, ring on. I can't do this. I'm a human. I can't do this. I'm a human being. You guys make it be all these plates. I really have agreed to it all. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I'm doing it. And I'm like, oh, but she knows me now as well. She'll be like, well, Chris, I know you're saying yes to that, but that means you'll have no sleep because you'll be going on the red eye. And then I think you need, you know, so she really looks after my health as well. She'll be like, well, Chris, I know you're saying yes to that, but that means you'll have no sleep because you'll be going on the red eye and then I think you need, you know,

so she really looks after my health as well, which is really nice because you'll be like, you know, I know you'll need like a little bit of time to catch up or even today she was like, we start a turns, you can go to the gym, which was great. So I just come off that Vegas then and went straight to work. So she knew my schedule was busy. No, I didn't actually. So what happens? Are you like on, like what if you're booked on a job, but you just on call until the vagus thing is a perfect example? Well, yeah, we got,

we got, we were ready in the morning and we did the color and then we did the hair and then we went to the red carpet and then we went from the red carpet and she put the present in. And then we went to the, back to the hotel and we got dressed for the after party and then we went for dinner

and then we went to the after party and then we went for dinner and then we went to the after party and then we went to, yeah, we went to the after party and that was it and then I don't know, I guess we got in. I mean, I'm not really a partier, but I guess we got in at life. Maybe free, I think. And then I think we had to be downstairs. I don't know, I don't know, I talked about it.

It's exa- It's exa- It's exa- It's exa- It's exa- It's exa- It's exa- It's ex- It's ex- It's ex- It's ex- It's ex- Exactly. Exactly. I mean, honestly, so if you're not even a part of your, like, do you have to do all those things? I'm not a boy, but I will tell you this.

I am a very, my motto of life is to die with memories, not dreams. I think there's, you're going to die some one day. You're going to die in your mom's going to die in your dad's going to die and your friends are going to die. And he's going to die and you're going to die and you're going to die. We're all going to be dead. And I think sometimes we forget that. I know it sounds so miserable, but I was listening to this thing the other day and he was succinct. We're all going to

die. And like, sometimes we can all live forever. And we're not. Like, so I just try and make sure that I'm like, present as much as possible. I can't live in the past because it's already gone. I can't live in the future because it's definitely not happening yet. All I can really do is be in the moment. And sometimes I'm like, you know, this is an incredible journey I'm on right now. I mean, this amazing place. I'm going to enjoy myself, you know, and I'm not wild, but, you know, like, for example, in the after party, I could have gone home. But I was like, you know what? I'm going to go out and have a drink. It was fun, you know, and it was really great to be a part of. And I think I definitely push myself sometimes with,

like, having a personal life, like, going to the gym even if it's like four in the morning because it is you have to be on set at six like but you know I work hard and play hard and I think that's the balance for me. Yeah I think also working out and all is very important just for use to the mental stuff but also gives you more energy. Definitely. You didn't do it. You would have less energy to kind of sustain this crazy schedule. Yeah. But I like that quote, memory is not dreams because that is so true. I just think we're also comfortable with what we're all thinking we're going to live forever and unfortunately we're not. We'll all be there on one day. It's really funny, I look at past eras and like Marilyn Monroe or something like that and

everyone thinks they're going to live forever but we're not. And life's precious and family's precious and I have two kids who I want to enjoy and I want to inspire them and I want to just, I don't want to be obsessed with, you know, my job, like, hey, I'm obsessed and I definitely, it's a focus on mine but I've really learned to like, let go of things a little bit. You can't just be so in control, you're supposed to actually go to live life and feel the ride, you know. You can't just be so tense about it or you're going to just like be life and fill the ride, you know? You can't just be so tense about it or you're gonna just be present and be in it, you know. But is it hard to have a life when you're on someone else's schedule

so hardcore like that? Not really. Yeah. No, because you're in, you're ruling control, we're ruling control of our destiny. People make such bullshit excuses. I'm like so sick of people talking shit. They're like, I'm too busy today to the gym.

I'm like, I'm like, bitch, if I can go, you can go, like get a shut up. We all have the same amount of hours in the day. I can understand some motivation and how much you actually want it. I don't want to take my top off on the beach and feel like I don't take care of myself. Just because I'm just like, you know, I'm 30, I'm in a great place in my life, I'm really happy and I want that to reflect like I don't want to be, of course I just want to eat ice cream and stuff but, and you know, I do, I do, I do eat, I think it's about balance but I'm also kind of like, I don't know, I feel like it will be like, how am I in a really messy house and say,

oh, I just want to clean house. I just want it to be clean. But I want to just get up and clean it. You know what I mean? I'm just, I have to motivate myself that way. Sometimes I'm like, I don't want to go to general. I'm like, yeah, but also like, you want to feel good about yourself. So just go do it, you know.

Where do you work out? What do you do work out wise? Cause you're obviously an amazing shape. Oh, thank you. I do a bit of everything. I do digits, I do. Oh, thank you. I do a bit of everything. I do Jiu Jitsu. I do... Jiu Jitsu, I do Jitsu because it's actually a really good practice to be present.

It's a really beam... It's because you're mental. Yeah, and you have to be really present. I don't look at my phone. I don't touch my phone. You can't. It would be really focused. Yeah. So I do that.

And then I also do regular weight training. I do a lot of like hikes because I don't love cardio, I'm a bit boring on the treadmill and the same as the, oh god, it's terrible. However invited that is, whoever vents that's their master is just rotten. Every time my train is like, okay, go on that and I'm like, no one likes it. You never get as easy as you are. No, it doesn't. Why doesn't it get easier? I don't know because it's super hard.

Yeah every time, but I'll do that sometimes. Do you run like actual jog? I don't have a little running industry. Yeah, I'm not really a fan of that. But I'll do other things to keep. I like to go to a good hike or whatever. I'll do what it takes. But every day are you working?

Are you doing something every day? Yeah, I'm a six day three. Yeah, okay. I can say it's more like, people, some people are loving this too much, but like, it's more, I just would rather be doing that than sitting and watching TV. Yeah. Or I don't get very wrong.

I like doing that. Sometimes I sit and watch TV and just kind of chill in, but it's something like working out. It reduces endorphins. It's scientifically proven to make you feel better and I'm about doing things that make you feel better. Absolutely. So, you know, I could, I think I could get a bit depressed if I didn't do it honestly. If I'm honest, I think I could probably get really weighed down with everything of all

the responsibilities I have from, you know, my job to, you know, being a dad, to a living in Hollywood, to the pressures of being good at what you do. You know, I think it really helps me a lot. Yeah, you're preaching to the converted. I mean, this is what I could not agree with you. But you should. I'm not saying everyone has to do it. It's not as though everyone has to look the same, or be the same.

But it's just about trying to find mental clarity and mental health and mental wellness. I think that we could all sometimes take some responsibility. Now, I remember speaking to my mum once, I was really down about something. She's like, you know, Chris at this point, it's like you're just wallowing in it. And I was like, you know what, she's right. Like, I've got to try and start looking at the things that make me happy in the day. Like the sun is shining. I can hear the birds, like I live in Hollywood. You know, it's like certain things that like, you know, you need to check yourself, you know.

Totally, I understand what you're saying. Is there anything that you haven't done that you are wanting to do in the future? Like, is there like something that you still haven't been able to conquer? I feel like everybody who does what you do, that's, you're at the pinnacle. Everybody wants to do those people's hair

and having this career. Is there anything, I mean, you're at the pinnacle. Everybody wants to do those people's hair and having this career. Is there anything, I mean, you know that obviously, right? In your wildest dream, like you said, when you were in London doing your mom's hair, did you ever think that you would get this far and be doing this? I've always, you know, I just, this really funny thing when I was a kid, I remember looking outside the window, I was like, like's six. And I lived in a northern, town in England, it was really like rainy and during grain.

I remember when I've been in my bedroom and I looked out the window and it's very gray outside and I remember thinking, I know me, I'm gonna have a life like this when I'm older. I think I'm gonna have a life of color. I don't want colors, I don't want this gray, I want like whatever that meant. I'm like, I just felt like I was always gonna do something different.

I just felt like I was not gonna be a nine to five kind of guy. And I'm very like, humble and grateful that I found a craft that has enabled me to express myself artistically, but also just emotionally and mentally enabled me to grow in so many ways. And I'm really grateful and thankful for the people I work for and the opportunities I've had in my life. And I'm just grateful. I'm really grateful. So yeah, I guess I am in a pinnacle of my career,

but I'm also just like, I'm just trying to be grateful for everything I've got. I'm not, you know, I think some people believe in their own hype a bit too much. And I think that the greatest. And I think that doesn't really work. I don't like that. And then they were all the same. We're all humans. We'll believe the same. We all like it. Happy sometimes. We'll get sad sometimes. You know, we're all, we're just real people. And I think I just try and be like I said said just stick to the motto of like living my life and being present and enjoying the moment. Yeah, I mean, you also were like winning all these awards as a kid I read, right? Yeah.

So like obviously you were stupid. I also didn't win a lot of awards. I thought you did. But there's a lot of awards. I did, but there's also so many awards I didn't win before that. You know, there's probably lots more awards than I have won. So yeah, it's funny that when you become known, everyone wants to talk about and celebrate

every award you've won, but I've also sat there and not won every award. I've also sat there and had to applaud other people when I come back, you know. I think I've got this bit lucky. I've been plenty of times like trying my bloody hard is to put everything into it and it just wasn't recognized. And then you come back and you go again and you know

Yeah, I know I some of it's look some of it's right time wrong right person. I don't know a lot of it's like a relationship It's like you know, someone good, someone bad totally and then someone might go oh my god. You guys are so happy You guys have the perfect relationship, but they've usually worked at being better people They've usually worked on their self, like emotionally, mentally, they've also been, probably worked on themselves of what they're looking for for the right partner, what is right for them. And then even when you're together,

it doesn't mean every day you decide to be together, every day as you work towards being a stronger couple. So I think everything's work. So I think when people say, oh, you know, you work towards, you know, being a stronger couple. So I think everything's work. So I think when you know, people say, oh, you're really happy. And it's like, yeah, we work for it. You know, we work to be good together. Yeah. That's why I'm single. I was going to say, it must be hard for you to be, well, also because you travel so much, it must be difficult to like have a relationship, or could you take them with you, or they have to have the flexibility or. I mean, I want to talk about relationships too much, but I just think I've struggled to find Some uncomfortable for at the end of the day

What people think are gonna go like on Instagram and I've said this one It's like really not who I am. It's a really small part who I am You know me with pictures of my top off or with famous people or live in the life like really I'm not bougie I don't want to go out to fancy restaurants, I'd rather sit at home and cook dinner in and talk and you know, I'm much more humble than what, I guess, Hollywood is or social media provides. And I think sometimes people are attracted to me because they want the lifestyle or to meet celebrities. And I didn't realize that Hollywood was so much, there's a lot of people that come to Hollywood to be something

Yeah So I think they get with people that they feel like they can get a ladder up and I didn't really realize that culture I didn't know because I've just worked hard for everything. I've got I realized it was that that people would want to be with you because of who you work with or because of Numbers on Instagram or how much money you've got and stuff. I didn't you didn't realize that yeah, it's terrible I had to learn the hard way. So I think I'm a little bit more guarded now Instagram or how much money you've got and stuff. I didn't. You didn't realize that? Yeah, it's terrible. I had to learn the hard way. So I think I'm a little bit more guarded now.

I think relationships are a lot of work. I mean, when I'm all in, I'm really committed. Like anything I do, I try and be really committed to. And I want to be the best version of myself. But I guess if you've not met the right person, it can end up being a kind being a bad thing in your life. It takes away your focus from work, it takes away your focus on with friends and family and I think when something starts to feel like a drain, I'm like, why am I doing this?

I don't have a bad life. So, I've tried to become much better with that kind of stuff as well, not just staying stuff, like so many people are in unhappy relationships and I know it's hard and I know it's really scary and we're not all in the right position to be on our own but sometimes I'm just like I think I'm doing myself a distrustess to like be with someone I'm not happy with and I think to myself I didn't come this far to just come this far like you know and there's no one bad it's not so anyone's bad it's just like about compatibility isn't it it's about like

what you think a relationship should hold and or what you're giving and if you're giving so much more in a relationship and you're not getting it back, it just gets tiring. I'm just like, oh, I don't want to keep giving all the time. You know, it'd be nice to. So I think it's, it's relationships are definitely obviously it's something I've always wanted. I've always wanted to dream and You've got married and all that, but I also then think of my life. And I'm like, I think this is my journey right now. And I think when the time's right, it's right.

And I work on myself a lot. I'm ready to help help books and listen into podcasts and just learning about myself and why we do what we do. And things about your childhood of what you've seen and you think is what, right for a relationship, but actually I really want for a relationship, but actually, like what actually, I really want for a relationship

or what I'm really looking for in someone. What is it? What is it you're really looking for? Do you want them to be in entertainment and beauty, do you rather than be more? I don't want to date myself, that's for sure. I was gonna say that might be too much. I'm pretty spontaneous, I love a good adventure.

I really like to live life, I like to feel alive, I like doing little trips or just fun things, but I also just love being at home and being cooking or just laughing and smiling. I think you should have that with your partner and being able to talk to each other and support one another and be open with each other and talk about how you feel or how to grow together, how to grow and move on. I think I'm just looking for someone that is, it doesn't matter what they do, I don't care the good work of Starbucks

if they're passionate about it and great, but just someone that's like solid and who they are and what they want. And I think I've done a lot of work on myself and I think maybe in my experience, not everyone has done that or wanted to. They're fine just being, being out of me. And that's fine, but when you date someone,

it's very different because it's okay having friends, but that's like, there's so much control with that. When you live with someone, you see everything and every little annoying habit because you're at the highlight of being together all the time to certain things will irritate you and it's kind of like, you know, you do this thing and it can come across as like, not that nice. It's like, oh, do I? Like, oh, okay. I know I've before someone like in England, the culture is very different and

it's more like, people will swear more. So it's just like, oh, F this or F that it's just very much part of the culture. It's definitely not as offensive. But coming to America, people not, I don't really speak like that. So that was something that I'd be like, oh, for F say, or, you know, just generally, like if I forgot about, oh, you know, damn, I think we're like, oh, you know, when you swear something, I'm going to be a bit offensive. And I'm like, really? Really? I don't mean it like that.

And then I remember speaking to my brother, I was like, if you notice when you swear, and he was like, you know what? Someone said that to me before as well. I was like, yeah, I need to work on that. And then I remember speaking to my friends, like, if you notice when you swear and he was like, you know what, someone said that to me before as well. And I was like, yeah, I need to work on that. I need to do something. I need to put it, I just know it from beginning to coming. It's like a culture. I'm like, yeah.

But I never thought it was anything different, but I'm like, yeah, I need to work on that. And it is even stuff like that could be something stupid. Like I say to people, you okay? Because that's what I'm saying, England. But here, if I say if you're okay to someone, yeah, yeah, why? Why? Because in England, say you okay if I say if you're okay to someone, you're, yeah, why? Right? Because in England, say you okay is literally like going,

how's it going? But when you say you okay here, it's like there's a problem or something. You're gonna be, you're gonna be, it's a bit defensive. So it's like when someone explains that to you, I'm not just gonna be like, oh, well, that's who I am.

I'm like, okay, well, I'll try and be more accommodating to that. So I think I'm good at that kind of stuff, and not everyone is. Not everyone likes to be pulled upon those things. So like, well, it's just who I am. And I'm like, yeah, we are, who we are, but we can all make little changes if it's better benefit of everyone and probably yourself and how people perceive it. Right. That's it. Well, what's your favorite, we say you love the self-help stuff, what's your favorite book, then what kind of, who do you look to for that kind of stuff?

I like podcasts a lot, not podcasts, audio books. Oh, yeah. I do like podcasts a lot, but I like audio books because they're easy to listen to, want to play. Oh, I don't want to. You know, no one's have to carry the book around. At the minute, I'm listening to, let me just check my audio from everybody's called,

oh yeah, it's called Savage Wisdom by Adam Kam. And it's really like kind of cut-pro, and he swears a lot, but he's very much like, you know, it about taking responsibility for your life, taking responsibility for how you feel or how others may feel, how you allow others to make you feel. Yeah.

Or, you know, it says stupid things, it's not stupid actually, but silly things, oh, it's not even silly, it's just small things, I guess like there's two people in your life you need to make proud. Do you know who they are? Yourself, you. Okay. And the second person, I don't know who would it be. Okay, well, you're nearly there, but basically a lot of people would say, my parents, I'm right, but the two people you need to make a lot of proud of in your life is the eight year old you and the 80 year old you. You know, and I think that's then someone

that lives a successful life. You know, the eight year old and the 80 year old, can you say, you know, like if you're on your deathbed, you can look back and be proud of yourself. You know what I mean? It's like, okay, I like those little things that make you stop and think a little bit about life.

What's the book called? Savage Wisdom. I like that. But it's pretty aggressive because he swears a lot and people say, like, they don't like it. The other thing I was listening to, I listened to what I really enjoyed, what I know for sure about Oprah Winfrey. I thought that was a good book.

She was talking, you know, she's had an incredibly interesting life. Yes. As things that she talks about, what she knows for sure is about emotions or relationships or feelings. And again, it's usually from experiencing those things, making mistakes and coming out the other end of it. What I know for sure is that everyone feels fear, but the people that go ahead and do it anyway do it with their legs shaking and they just go and do it, where some people

let feel crippled and can't do it. You know what I mean? It's a small thing. Is that hers? What would be one of yours that you know for it? What are the one things that you know for sure? Probably the power of letting go, the power of letting go of the things that you can't control. I think we wasted so much time in our brains worrying about things that we have no control

over. Things that have probably happened in the past and will never be able to get back, things that might have happened in the future. I think the power of being able to let go and be present in the moment and grateful for the things that you have around you because it's so easy with Instagram and TikTok and all this stuff that we're flooding and in dated we have to be feel like we're missing out or we're not good enough or we're not rich enough or not pretty enough or we're not hot enough or we're not fast enough or we're not cool enough and really like we're all individual, we're here for a reason and we all have our strengths

and we all have our downfalls and it's just really about like letting go and being comfortable in who you are and your own skin because you can't be anyone else. You can't. How did you learn that? I don't know, I just did my work. I did my work, I think, I think having experienced a lot in my life, I guess I felt I needed to do the work because I go to the gym for my body,

but your brain is only a muscle. Totally. And it can also be trained. And I was like, I need to train my brain. I need to train my brain to live the life I wanted to live. Because if you let it, your brain, your brain's only a muscle, you probably can't go 10 seconds without something going in your head on your notice and something. Your brain is constantly just absorbing information.

And once you realize you're not your brain and you're not your body, it kind of makes you feel much more kind of like, brain is always going to portray those images. You know, you might just be sitting there and you're thinking all this stuff, and it's just old imagery from your past or things that you've not seen or things you've taught, things you've seen on a film, you know, it's just things that are in your head. It's just absorbing information. And sometimes what I do and helps me to really relax is when I go overwhelmed. I imagine myself like I close my eyes and imagine myself standing on a bridge and I can feel my feet on the bridge and I'm looking down at the water

and in the water is all the things that rain my brain, all the thoughts and feelings that I swamped in my brain like swelling around and then I fill my hands against like the cold wall of the bridge and then I kind of just look down and I can see those feelings be there, but I can feel that they're not me, they're not, they're just, they're just, in my, they're just feelings, they're just thoughts, they're not actually who I am because I'm on the bridge standing, feeling the cold wall against my feet and on against my hands and you can kind of imagine the water passing and those emotions can like move on. It just makes you feel so much like not as much in your head. Sometimes we're so in a fucking head, it's painful.

You know, sometimes we're so in our own shit that we're not present, we're so somewhere else. And really, we're in the air right now. Oh my God, I feel like I'm in a therapy session. I like going to intense. I know, I love it. I think it's great. I'm happy that you, this is actually a great.

And I'm happy that you're talking more about just other than like how to do a great blowup. I tried to learn to be a better person. I tried to be the best person myself. I also tried to understand other people. I'm like sometimes I'd be hurt from old relationships or I'd be hurt by certain things. And I think it also made me feel less angry. It made me feel less resentful. And everyone must their thing.

There's a reason that we're all the way we are. And different people are gone through different traumas and different things that make them the way they are. But then when you turn that into a relationship, what I've also realized is I'm like, my natural instinct is to wanna make people feel good and make things better. And you can't always be that person

because it gets exhausted. You know, you can't always just keep giving because you gotta get something back. And that's what you're kind of trained to do, right? In your professional life, right? Your professional life is all about making people feel okay. And be okay and be happy, and that's your role. So do that in your personal life, it can be very exhausting. But that's why I read it. Well, I can't. It's like someone saying,

I want to lose weight, I was going to keep eating chocolate, and it's like, I can't just keep eating the chocolate. I've got to stop eating the chocolate. So I'm like, well, what I'm doing isn't working clearly. So let me like do something different, which is hard, but let me, that's why I kind of like went to the gym for my brain. You know, that's why I was like, okay, let me learn a little bit. And I'd listen, I'm like, oh, that makes so much sense. Like, oh, that's why we, oh, I'm not my brain. I'm not my four soul feelings. They're just happening anyway. Like, you know, me, I'm not my brain. I'm not my four soul feelings. They're just happening anyway. Like you don't mean me. So you're like, oh, okay.

But you're taking ownership and control over what you're thinking, what your brain is like, what you're doing. So that's what I think is very interesting is that you are, you know, people can look at you from the outside and you look very perfect, right? You have a perfect, you look like a perfect body

in face and life and glamorous. But there's something, there's much more meat on the bone than what than that is, right? Like you're like a real person. What do you mean meat on the bone? That's like, I'm Canadian, I might be a Canadian saying, meat on the bone is like, there's much more, there's much more substance there.

Sounds like. You know, like me on the bone is like, it doesn't sound like, it means like there's meat on the bone sounds like the size of. I know, like me on the bone is like, it doesn't sound like it means like there's me on the phone sounds like the size of I know, no, no, no, no, there's a lot there's a lot of me on the Yeah, love me. No, no, no, that's not what I meant. That's definitely not what I meant. Maybe you see what I mean different different cultures I'm not from here either so it happens all the time. It's different. Actually, people from London and Canada are very similar.

Yeah. So it's different, but I totally get it. But that's why it's interesting to listen to you, talk about these things, because things perception is not always reality. No, yeah. And that's the point that I was trying to make. That was a second book, that you read,

that you're reading, another self-help, or something that you've learned. That. That was a second book that you read, another self-help or something that you've learned. That Oprah went through book. Oh yeah, the Oprah, the other Savage wisdom. And then there was another one by John Parker, who is obviously very talented at what he does, and it's actually called, it's called The Power of Letting Go by John Percos. And it's really about, that was the first time that I realized, as I was read it in the first couple of pages, I was like, oh my God. You resonated with that one. Oh my God, my shoulders went down and like, the tension went out my body and I was like,

oh my God, I woke up and my shoulders up all the time, I didn't realize. But it wasn't until I practiced that thing about being on the bridge, which he talks about where I was like, oh fuck, I'm so stupid. I was thought I was my feelings and I'm not. You know what I mean? I was like, oh my God, I can control it. I felt like someone had given me like a third eye or something, but all like I was like, oh my God, I'm in the control sea.

Oh my God, you know, it's just one of those reality things. Absolutely. He actually wrote me out to you because I posted it on my story and he was like, oh my God, I mean the controversy. Oh my God, you know, it's just one of those reality things. Absolutely. He had to write me out to you because I posted it on my story and he was like, oh my God, I'll talk to you. We had a couple of chats. He lives in London and ironically, he went to school in the same city of Leicester in Northern England that I did. And it was like really like weird how he connected it.

Oh wow. Yeah, but really interesting. I mean, he's much of a brawn in self development, self health and all that stuff. But I'm only touched to the surface, but I just know enough. No, and you're keep on learning, it seems, and you're interested in like, and I like to share it as well with people around me. I like to share with the people I love and you get addicted to social media. You're addicted to like, looking at tip top, looking at Instagram. Like, it's your business to like do that. Does it get to be overwhelming? Are you that guy who's always on the phone?

And it's like also, it's a hat. You're not sure what it is. So easy to like, okay, so you go on your phone. I'm like, okay, check my messages, okay, check Instagram, check TikTok, check where emails. Totally. Go on the daily mail, check my name, see what people are saying.

Yeah, that's right. You know, this is like a kind of do, that's like my top five or six things to do. But I've definitely practiced on, I'll say to myself, like put your phone down, like get off Instagram. But sometimes it's nice to get lost on TikTok. I love TikTok, it's so fun,

it's like Instagram's a bit boring. And I think it's like a bit dusty now for me. I just think it's like pretty pictures, so controlling on my, it's fine. It's just like. So just someone else just said that to me today, that Instagram is becoming like, you said dusty, like all now. It's now, people are now really migrating to TikTok more. TikTok is just like so fun to see videos. It thinks it might make you laugh, it might make you sad. And it's funny how it's like program to like the things you like. So I think you get like the things that the

content that tends to resonate with you. So I kind of think it's fun to just watch TikTok. Although it's definitely a whole and you get lost in it, but sometimes the weird, wonderful things I see, I'm like, oh that's fine, I go there, I don't want to do that. You get good ideas, like you probably get great inspiration from there. Like I didn't know about Tough Mudder, I was like, oh my god, that looks so fun. Like, you didn't know about Tough Mudder? No, no, I know, no, but so I saw it and I was like, oh, I want to go on. I saw a book to go on it. And it was the best time ever. I love that, sort of, I love that like little, like challenge. Totally. You'd love the Spartan races then too.

Have you heard of that one? Yeah, I have, but no, I feel like it's only a bit harder this part, like. Yes. I think what was it I heard about? Ultramarathons. I just felt like this bottom one I looked at, it was like a little bit more serious. It was like a test.

Tough mudder was like so fun. It is fun. I like you run a lot with all the mud and crazy stuff. It's fun, it's kind of serious. Yeah, I like it. It was fun. It is super fun actually. It's fun, it's nice to see more of them. Yeah, I like it. It's fun, it's fun. It is super fun, actually. It's actually really fun.

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Fiver more participating items and save a dollar each with your card. Kroger, fresh for everyone. Were you the guy who did that Ariana Grande bond? You know that ponytail that she always wears? Yeah. But were you the first one to put that in her hair? You're the guy who did that Ariana Grande bun, like you know that ponytail that she always wears. But were you the first one to put that in her hair? Like, as a look? She's more ponytail, but when I did Ariana's ponytail, I did it like a lot longer and fuller and then I did those hair hoops in it.

So that was like the first time kind of like, I guess it had been longer like that. And then I took a blonde, we did the blonde look, we bleached her, she had a blonde look. Oh yeah, I remember that. So yeah, we kind of had some fun in the hair hoops and like, accessorizing ponytail. And it not just being a ponytail, it was like long-garned, you know, clear hoops.

And I don't remember that. I just remember her always having that high ponytail that like, be hidey, would be thing looking. And was that, what was the most iconic look that you're known for? Is it the J-Low? A couple, probably J-Lo Super Bowl. And then Kim's Met Ball, Wet Look,

when she did that Terry Mugalerman was like, think a wave, but it was like, she looked like she'd come out the ocean, I was like. I remember that one. Why the J-Lo one? I mean, it looks nice, but no, I know, but it's because- People stop me all the time about it. It just looks like, it looks like Southern hair.

I don't know, people loved it. Everyone literally loved it. It's the biggest surge in Instagram followers, in messages, in DMs, in press, I've ever had. People just loved the way it kept bouncing around, swinging around with even in the humidity. Everyone just loved it, yeah. I mean, it looked great, but I feel like it's not,

like to me, like the Kim line was so much more like. Yeah, but you know, I think sometimes like, Little America just like pretty, yeah, just pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, how not? Oh, I love the heck is bouncing. How's it going? So bouncing, my girls don't bounce like that.

You know what I mean? That's true. Anything like wet look at it, like they're like, oh yeah, cool, but they're probably not gonna go to the supermarket like that. You know what I mean? I'm gonna get to the prom with the you know they won't we have a different I think I asked to stew wise you know obviously I prefer other things over other things but I know people always respond very well to like real glam hairstyles or you know just have to do a

simple ponytail or how to do a top knot the right way that's what people want to know the messi bun I feel was really popular like how do you do how do you do a great knock the right way. That's what people want to know. The messy bun I feel was really popular. Like how do you do a great messy bun? Look on my TikTok. Is it on TikTok? Yeah, they went viral. I used to do all these different TikToks and they do well.

And then they did a TikTok on just how to create like a volumized ponytail, went viral, like 25 million people, went on every outlet, and then they did a messy bun tutorial, 20 million, went viral every once in a while. Because people just want to know real then I did a messy bond tutorial, 20 million, went viral every once in a while, because people just want to know real shit. So when you're like, oh really, people just like J.L.S. cars, it's like, the air thing's just like, they

like the real stuff. Like the Alan God stuff, I think people just like, I guess in the industry we like it, but like every day, like people like it, but they're not like, oh my god, desperate for that look. You know what I mean? It's like people just want to know how to do the hair and messy bun and they want to look cute for their zoom off for work. That's true. But one other question about that here, the Kim one, wasn't it just wet?

Like what did you do to it? It was like, finger waves. It was like, finger waves. And it was like, S, curls, like brush dough about. And then it was like, had these beads sewn in that look like it was dripping in the water How long did it with that take you to do? Glam was about three hours

So I guess that three hours that would take three hours, but no, I thought Glam's like makeup and hair Yeah, but so the hair were taking it together. Oh, you do. Yeah, so that would take three hours to do yeah two hours Just cuz like you know, I mean, I could probably do any faster, but that's how much time we had. So what's, can you give me a couple of looks that's, like, well, that's hot right now, just in terms of what's good, or what you think is trending, or is there anything like that, or that doesn't really make sense. No, it makes sense. What's trending right now? Probably like a lot of people doing like layers

at the minute. Yeah. So layers are pretty big. We'd like the curtain bangs kind of like the shaggy kind of layered sexy kind of vibe A lot of people like in the cat and bang look Well, that's because it we're casual here. What would you do with my hair? Why don't you do a middle part? Why do you do side? I don't even know, it just falls that way. The middle part would be cute, we've let the curtain bang, and maybe like a inch or so short, I like a little bit short, I like a bit fuller.

So it's not long and like, then in shape, but it's like fuller. See, it would be so full. Well, because my hair would be way curlier. But what's a curtain being? It's like the middle part, like, you the middle part, like J-Load. Oh, like that. Yeah, like sexy.

Would you do different layers, like more layers? Yeah, maybe it's a set the length of a little bit, so it has a bit more shape. Would you cut it or would someone else cut it? Like, you have a team of... No, I do everything. And you would color it too. I don't look at my roots.

I know, I have to like do that. That looks nice though. It was pretty. Thank you. But you don't think I should, you think I'm in shorter and maybe some more. Layers, but maybe in middle part not. So, Gen Z say side parts of old people.

Are they okay? I gotta get that middle. That's what they say. Well, you're the they aren't. I like a side part. Aren't you the they? But it is more like, no, Gen Z is like the young TikTokers. Oh, that's true.

They're like, side parts, so over, it's like his whole debate on TikTok about it. No, I like the side part, but side parts do tend to fill a little bit more mature. Yeah. Like, middle part is kind of more symmetrical for the face. 100% of it. But it doesn't suit everyone, but try it.

Yeah, should I try it and you tell me, does it look, well, right now I can get my roots out, but. But yeah, I think you should have your front bits a bit shorter though if you're gonna do middle part you pro you promise though to do my hair you promise because I will call you out Yeah, if to find time, but yeah, let's do you ever gonna be Ever gonna be in town for the next month in the next year. Yeah, or yeah, would you have time to do it? Yeah, you have to speak to my I told you I don't do the schedule

She'll tell you okay, I'll get my people to call me. Because I'm always like, yeah, she's like, why did you say, yes, you have no? I'm like, I don't know. I just want to be pleasing people. Oh, exactly. There you go again. Be it that way.

It's going to make people happy. I mean, that's exactly. That's check you're like, go to. Yeah. I guess that's basically, I think that we're like, you answered all the questions. OK. Talk about where people can find, of course,

your new product that you are now the global creative director color well. You can find the color products that I use, all of my go-to styles on www.colorwellhead.com or Sephora, my son and Sephora. Oh, is that Sephora now? Okay. It was a nice little display of me in doing that.

Did you see the billboard where we launched the match? No, I didn't see it. It was cool, it was like in a bath, in a suit on a billboard and Santa Monica, I was fine. How long has it been out for? Uh, like a year now. Not maybe not a year. Not quite now.

Oh, it's been out that long. I mean, it's new. I just got it yesterday night. I would have won. I would have, this looks totally my thing though, this money. It's not. Money. Yeah.

Does it do you use this? Yeah. I have a money. I'm not going to say you can want it. Okay. And then when people can obviously follow you, Chris Appleton, of course, on Instagram or Twitter. Sorry, that's Twitter on Twitter. Twitter, sorry, that Twitter on TikTok.

What? What? I don't do Twitter. You don't do it. I just downloaded it there the day. Oh really? I feel like it's a bit old. It's actually much more relevant and pop culturey now.

Is it? I think it never before. I feel like it's more news. It is. I was going to say, probably for your industry. It's not the greatest. I'm more visual. So TikTok and Instagram. YouTube would be great for you just to do like totally like lots of tutorials. Yeah, I love it. YouTube. Yeah, you can monetize like crazy on there. Not like I'm sure you're like, you know, you're worried about that. God knows, you know,

but that's besides the point. Do you ever have time to do regular? I mean, besides the fact that then like begging you to do my hair because you're here, but do you ever do normal people hair? Like if I don't know whoever, like Joe, like regular people that are not like yeah, I mean, probably my my life's changed the line terms of like obviously working with celebrities like this, they're kind of like, schedule's busy. I know you're busy because of it. But I don't really wanna work in a, I did the web of that in the song.

I did that till I was like 27, I worked in the salon from the age of 30. I think I did my time. No, can you go to people's home? I mean, I don't know what the options are. I like you going to people's home. I really wanna do, I don't really wanna be a home head. Like I don't know that, I don't know what the options are. Like, you're going to people's home. I really want to do, I don't really want to be a home pad. Like, I've done all that.

I've done it for years. You know, so being the salon, do home hair visits and all that. And I loved it. But like, I feel like now, like, I've kind of changed directions in, I guess, what I do. I don't think I could go from client to client, like a used to, used to have like 12 people a day. I don't even know how I did it.

I got a little commandist for a cut and that all have like extensions and colors. Everyone was, I was also running behind and everyone was always, it was always doing these like, oh, makeovers. Oh my God. It is. By the way,

I did look at your transformation of Drew Barrymore. I think, yeah. She looked amazing. It was cute, right? The hair that, that was like crazy extensions, right? Yeah. Do you put the extensions in also?

Yeah, why do you keep asking me that? I do everything. Well, because the, I've got, because these. You don't do you put it, do you start it? No, I just tell someone what to do. No, because the extensions, I thought people have different people for extensions.

Yeah, I haven't permanent ones, but it wasn't permanent. I could do permanent ones though, but it's just like not necessary for the day. You can do everything. I guess I just because even for me, I have a colorist, I have a hair color. I mean, no one is doing everything. Yeah, I know I got it. And if I don't have extensions, but there's an extension person, or that's why.

Different. It's amazing that, like, to me, someone who does the whole thing, you know, so, so they hire you they hire you you don't have to get like 10 million other people on the It's like you do all of it. Yeah, I get to do it all amazing Well Chris Appleton you've been a pleasure. Thank you so much to be thank you for being on the podcast You were you're great and you're thank you for the great time I'm gonna use this color while this week. Yeah, you were you're great and you're thank you. I'm gonna I'm gonna use this color well. This week, you keep them all. Thank you.

I appreciate you get it. Sephora, where else did you say you can get it? Color well had a color well. Okay, dot com. Thanks so much. Thank you so much. Thanks for listening. Hope you guys enjoy them.

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