Habits and Hustle - Episode 174: Julia Haart – Bestselling Author, Fashion Designer, and star of Netflix’s ‘My Unorthodox Life’

Episode Date: July 5, 2022

Pre-order Jen’s New Book: Bigger, Better, Bolder today: https://amzn.to/3hvtqYp Julia Haart is a self-made businesswoman, fashion designer and bestselling author. Building a shoe brand from nothing, not even knowing how to design shoes, guiding companies through the digital space with avatars and metaverse talk before most others knew it was a possibility, and generally having an attitude of “seeing what could be” instead of “what is.” You’d think this episode with Julia was going to be strictly motivation and tales of success. You may not know Julia, then. From a life in a complicated and often strict religious community, finding her way out while keeping faith and opening up to find her liberation through business and her personal fulfillment, Julia is a spectacle of self-reflection and actualization. She shares everything talking through what it’s taken to get where she is now. She just has an intense story all around that is captivating in its own right, but if you’re interested in her business and how she used her lack of experience as a tool to combat an archaic industry, or her perseverance in having a company almost fail over and over again only to build it to where it is today. This episode is for you. Youtube Link to This Video Julia Haart’s Book, Brazen – https://brazenbook.com/ Julia Haart Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/juliahaart/ ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Did you learn something from tuning in today? Please pay it forward and write us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts. 📧If you have feedback for the show, please email [e-mail]  📙Get yourself a copy of Jennifer Cohen’s newest book from Habit Nest, Badass Body Goals Journal. ℹ️Habits & Hustle Website 📚Habit Nest Website 📱Follow Jennifer – Instagram – Facebook – Twitter – Jennifer’s Website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I got this Tony Robbins, you're listening to Habitson Hustle, fresh it. What is this like a jumpsuit? Yeah, thank you. Coming from you, that's actually a big compliment. I'm obsessed with jumpsuits. I'm obsessed with them too.

It's easy. Easy. I have no patience. I have none. No patience at all. But I thought you were like a fashion, like a fashion either. I am fast. I'm fast fashion.

You know, I know what I like. And you just, and I trend to Skew towards comfortable always me. I'm not comfortable. I'm not wearing it. Who made that? This is butaiga. It's really cute on you. It's really cute and it's short You dress like a 14 year old. Wow. You look like a 14 year old. I have to say I'll take it you do Doesn't give a whole bunch of guys think so. I mean, I know they do. I'm sure they do. I'm going to keep this by the way. Guys, I just started the podcast untraditionally. I'm just going to keep this in because it's so cute. We have Julia Hart on the podcast today,

guys. And if you guys don't know who she is, she's super entertaining and controversial. Like, I keep saying that word, but it's true. But I keep calling me contrary. I'm going to keep on calling you that because I think you are. It's very, you're very polarizing. Well, you know what it is? It's when you're a disruptor. Yes. This people who are part of the status quo, they really don't like you.

Exactly. It's very true. When you're like mediocre, you blend in, right? I mean, I stand out wherever I go and I I make noise, and there are a lot of people who don't like that. Well, I want to talk about all of this. So just to kind of give people a little bit of an idea, Julia wrote a book called Brazen, which by the way, I love that name.

Thank you. Because it's a book, because my whole thing is bold. But Brazen is bold with an edge really more, right? What is the definition of brazen? I don't, you know, probably we'd have to look it up in the dictionary, but for me, what it means is to be yourself unapologetically. That's right. Constantly, no matter who you're with or where you are,

you are true to who you truly are. I love that. That's brazen. I, when I saw the title of your book, it just like, I just, it resonated so deeply. I love that name And of course her show is called unorthodox life. It's not unorthodox life. I don't know about matters My unorthodox life. Oh my why always called an unorthodox life. Oh my unorthodox and then there's my unorthodox life Well, you heard it here my unorthodox life and the show is super popular on Netflix. They have a season two coming whenever it comes out.

I hope soon because people were obsessed with that show. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, it was really an extraordinary experience. And I think my favorite part of it was people DMing me that they chose not to commit suicide because they saw this. So or they left an abusive marriage or they started the business they've been dreaming of. And so to hear people respond to it the way that I was really hoping

they would, that they would go and change their lives. It makes the rest of the crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of crazy. So much. So much. There's a lot of crazy. There's so much crazy. Your whole life, by the way, is like extraordinary and crazy. And initially, the way I even knew about you and your show was to be honest, from the Jewish people, right, like the Jewish community. I'm Jewish. I'm not Orthodox, but it, which is, by the way, people who are Jewish and very Orthodox, it's a very different people.

Very different people don't know. They don't realize how, and even within the orthodox community, there's a thousand gradations. Unbelievable. Is LeBavitch and Lystidic different? Well LeBavitch is a form of chacitas. It's one of the sects. It's one of the chacitic sects. But a lot of chacitim don't like LeBavitch because they feel that the LeBovicers have deified their rabbi and made him almost like a Jesus. So there's a lot of controversy. But in the end, this group doesn't get along with that group, who doesn't get along with

that group, but if you melt it all down, it's all the same thing. Whether you're wearing a black hat or a fur hat, whether you're covering your hair with a pillbox or a wig, in the end, it's still a woman has to cover her hair because a man shouldn't get attracted to her. So yes, there are all these different kind of customs in this chocetic community versus this carady community, but the underlying core beliefs are the same. So what is the most of all the groups? What, because I don't even know this, what is the most of all the groups? Because I don't even know this.

What is the most orthodox of all? There's really, I would say two groups. There's the chacidic world, right? And there's what's called the Yashivas world. Yashivas, and really the difference between the integral, original difference between chacidas and litvish, Yashivas people people is chacitas is focused on the synagogue The you know, they spend hours and prayer and then most of the men do go out and work in my world in the yashivish world

In the black hat world. Yeah, it's the focus is on the yashiva. It's on the place of learning. And so they pray much faster, right? Prayers over in an hour and a half, boom, boom, boom. And then they go and sit for seven hours and study in a Yashiva. So the focus is more on learning than on prayer. That's really the intellectual conceptual difference. And chasidem, so it depend, pretty much all chacidis is very separatist.

It's pretty extremist. I would say other than LeBavitch who go out and proselytize to non-religious Jews, most chacidim stay completely separate from the outside world. In my world, in the black hat world, there is 1,000 donations, because it's all dependent on your level of connectivity to the outside world. So you could be a black hatter and have a TV, or you could be a black hatter and not even have a telephone with internet service. So there's

just a hundred gradations within. So my family is what was called a brisk or family from this very, what was called a brisk or family from this very, very intense, you shiver called brisk, very religious, very extremist. We didn't eat strawberries or broccoli because there could be bugs on it. The walls of my house were not allowed to see my uncovered hair. It's really this concept of... Is that serious? Oh, yeah. Totally serious.

It's in the book. So because I remember reading the bugs in the strawberries and all that. So like I said, I'm very familiar with a lot of the rules of the Orthodox space, but not even. I thought I was knowledgeable about it, but apparently not a male. You don't really like it.

Because it's a very small group of people in the end. It's probably a million or two million a couple million people Which is still quite a large number if you think about it, but you know predominantly Orthodox Jews do not live the way I do most modern orthodox Jews go to college have televisions Live very normal, you know lives they keep kosher. So what people keep vegan, you know, I mean, it's no difference moderns different Modern is extremely different means they're key to me. That's authentic Judaism on all the way through conservative Judaism Reform Judaism all the other Judaism in my personal opinion are wonderful It's when you take things to the extreme in any religion. Yeah

Doesn't have anything to do with Judaism? The same rules that made my life a misery are the same rules that make women who live in fundamentalist, Islam, miserable, women who live in fundamentalist, Mormonism, more Christianity, or Hinduism, whatever it is when you take it to the extreme, that's when it becomes problematic. And then if you look at the rules that apply to those women and that apply to me, it's all the same problematic. And then if you look at the rules that apply to those women and that apply to me, it's all the same rules. It's all men are incapable of controlling themselves, women have to hide themselves, so men shouldn't sin. Women are responsible for men's thoughts and behaviors, and our purpose in life is to be obedient to our husbands and to have a

lot of children. That's the world I come from. And you see that in all kinds of fundamentals community. So in your book you've seen something that I never knew, which I thought was interesting. You can't, did you say you can't cross your legs because it's a, it kind of, it focuses attention on the vaginal area. So why cross the, I thought crossing would be better.

Well, no, because look at where, you at where it's directly focused here, right? You're crossing and you're kind of putting, I mean, I don't know. Don't get me. I'm straight. I'm straight. I'm just like, I'm just flinch. No, I understand what you mean. You know what someone told me?

Because there's still friends of mine who talk to me who live in the community. Oh, did she'll do? Yeah. Yeah. Of course, secretly because otherwise they get thrown out of there. synagogue, but secretly vine the scenes they speak to me. And one of them sent me a video of this rabbi who himself is so shocked by this. His daughter comes home from a base job, over a school that I went to, the same type of

school, and tells him, and I think she was around 10 years old, but I don't remember exactly, that her teacher taught the class that she's not allowed to go outside with wet hair. We're not a 10 year old. We're talking not merely because in my world you have to cover your hair only once you got married. So why? You ready for this one? Because if a man sees a girl outside with wet hair, he'll think to himself, oh, where did she get her wet hair from? The shower. And then he'll think of her naked. So therefore, a girl cannot go outside with wet hair because some guy might think about her in the shower. I mean, it's just, it's ludicrous. But once you start and accept that concept that men are incapable of controlling themselves and that their sins are on our heads, then anything becomes a rule. Then you can go to the end to agree with that,

to what point do you cover up a woman, to what point do you make her hide, to what point do you make her silent? You know, how far do you go with that? Well, if that rule is there, anything is possible. So like, why would you have to cover your hair within the like at home and no one's watching like no one's walls of your house shouldn't see your nakedness so that you can have righteous children? So if some of this stuff is even ridiculous and you you come. Like it's so frightening because everyone around you believes it. Everyone you know thinks it's as true as the microphone

in front of us. But how can that be? You say, first of all, let's just back up a second. Because you come from parents who are very bright. Like you're brilliant. That's brilliant. Like your mom is brilliant, your dad's brilliant. And you come from Russia, they're from Russia, right?

And then they come from a communism background. Yeah, and they became very dissolution with communism. And they pick this. And so, we think about it. This to me is the only explanation I can get. You have to understand. My mother has two PhDs, one in mathematics and one in philosophy. She got a gold medal from the USSR because this is in the 70s, this is the USSR.

For never from kindergarten through her PhD, getting one answer on a single test run. And she chooses a religion where women are not supposed to be educated, where women are told that their minds are inferior to men. Go figure. But if you think about it, she was brought up in a world where she was taught that you have to suffer for an ism. You have to be a martyr to a cause. And when communism betrayed my parents and you know there was so much anti-Semitism there and they started learning about Judaism under the table and my father gets arrested and eventually we get traded for grain and brought to this country. For them these two young idealistic people, they just replaced one ism, communism, or the other ism, Judaism.

And so they chose the most intense version that would be the most difficult and that my mother could be murdered upon. And this is a woman who could have done anything and been anything. She's literally to this day now I've met hundreds of thousands of people. To the stage she's still the most brilliant person I've ever met in my life And what do you like when you ask her now as she will you hasn't talked to me now as we say as we still have to speak So today just write you off. Yep, and they have not spoken to you since that's correct Vitamin water just dropped a new zero sugar flavor called with love.

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because think about it. Look how I live my life, right? Indoctrination is an extremely powerful thing. In their mind, they have been so indoctrinated with this concept that to be friends with me, to speak to me, could endanger their soul, their children's soul. I am like the physical embodiment of sin. Right? I left the community, I left the derrick, I left the path. And so to them, I'm dangerous. And not only did I leave, but I left and succeeded. And that's even worse, because you're

supposed to leave and fail and die and commit suicide or go on drugs or do something because it's really an impossible journey to time travel 200 years into current world. Yeah. So they don't like success stories because success stories means you can leave. It is possible. Difficult, almost unimaginably so. But doable. But don't they look and question it a little bit given your success afterwards? Like they... When you know religion, it's that you can't logic someone. You can't have a lot. religion, you can't logic someone. You can't logic. Yeah, there's no logic. And think about it.

If I fail, it's, oh, you see God is punishing her. If I succeed, oh, you see God is rewarding her in this world because he's going to punish her in the next one. So it's a lose, lose, no matter what you do. If you're successful, it's because God's going to hit you later. And if you're not successful, it's because he's hitting you now. It's an answer for everything. So what happens, there can't just be,

I mean, in this world, right? There's not just, like, you're not the only strong, dominant personality. Like, how is it that people, this is more of a psychological question, that their personality has become so dormant where that doesn't break through? Well, because it's not that your personality becomes dormant, it's that you're convinced that this is what God wants and this is the only way to

goodness. And most people, innately, want to be good. And you know, the, excuse me, the genius of extremist religions is that it convinces you to police yourself. Right. So a lot of these people don't watch. You didn't have, you had a TV when you had a baby, right? And shlomo, my son. Shlomo, right.

And then I was supposed to get rid of it, but I kind of didn't. And as you see, it's very gradual, my connectivity to the outside world. First I'm only watching 50s and 60s. Then I go into the 70s and 80s. Then I start watching current television. My first show I think was Sex and the City in my mid 30s. And then it's another almost 10 years of educating myself, reading books,

trying to learn as much about the outside world as humanly possible. But it's still time travel. It's like, if you would read a million books about deep sea diving and then you watched videos about deep sea diving, which you've never actually been in the water, not very helpful. Exactly. Not very helpful. And that's what it's like.

I watched about the outside world. I studied the outside world. I read about the outside world. I studied the outside world I read about the outside world, but I'd never experienced it and just walk into a world where No one knows your name Once ever heard of you. You have no past no connections and you literally know nothing You've never been to prom. You haven't been to college. You didn't have the normal high school experience. You didn't get to go out on dates. You didn't get to meet guys. You didn't fall in love. Normal life. Normal life.

Taken away from me. Well, don't even go there yet. I want to talk where I'm going to go all into all that stuff because that's like part two. I want to talk about the evolution of how you even like your life as this person and how you broke away from it all But I wanted to talk about a couple things that I was like Completely shocked at go for that you like nursed your Brother while you were nursing my daughter. That's right because in my world Burnt was not a thing right, right? So I mean do people birth control, yes, as you read in the book, there's all sorts of rules and regulations around it. But it is very foundable, extremely foundable, and you're literally gilted to death if you

try it. So my mother and I were pregnant at the same time. My youngest brother is six months younger than my eldest daughter, and we had the same OBGYN and delivered in the same time. My youngest brother is six months younger than my eldest daughter and we had the same OBGYN and delivered in the same hospital. And my mother was not able to nurse any of her children. She just didn't have the, you know, not everyone has that capability. And so when Bachevo was born, I was like a milk farm. I donated milk. I mean, it just didn't stop. I literally could have nursed 17 more children. And so I'm like, oh, well, you're already nursing Vachava.

And my brother's name is Shlomo. So I have a son Shlomo and a brother Shlomo. Named after two separate Shlomo's actually. But my brother Shlomo, she's like, well, can't you nurse him? So I was like, okay. So I nursed my brother Shlomo and my daughter, but Java at the same time. I think that's, I don't know. I was so figured. I was so blown away about, I don't know why that was like, what? This is weird. So crazy. Today, day and age, it's insane. Because don't forget, you get married at 19.

And your mother gets married at 19. And your, your be married at 19 so at 48 you could be having grandchildren It's it's really unbelievable to me. Oh, sorry at 38 you could be having grandchildren Technically, yeah, yeah, and like you have no idea about music and polyg you know I mean again it depends on your level of connectivity as you saw I kind of slowly gradually progress towards it, but you say, I kind of slowly gradually progress towards it, but, you know, non-Jewish music, non-Jewish literature, non-Jewish, if it's not religious, don't dirty your soul with it. Right. What was the first thing that kind of like inched you into secular life? My daughter Miriam, you know, because as I got older, all of these restrictions constantly being told that I'm stupider than men, that I need to be silent, that I should

stop asking questions, it weighs on you until the misery just builds and builds and builds. But they had done such a good job in doctorating me that I was convinced that it's not that the system was flawed. It's that I was flawed, that I couldn't be happy with that system. Right. And then comes around my daughter and she's five years old. She starts asking all the questions I've been thinking silently without ever giving voice to in my mind.

Right. But she was asking it and she was five and no one could convince me that my five-year-old was evil. So they managed to convince me that I was. Right. But when I hear from the mouth of my five-year-old child, this isn't logical. And she would ask very simple questions. She would say, I want to play soccer. And my husband would say, well, you have to wear a skirt. And if your skirt runs up and someone will see your

knees and it's inappropriate. And she would say, well, what's inappropriate? And he would say, well, a man might see you and have that thoughts of value. And so it's better for you not to play sports. And so Miriam said, well, is he responsible for my actions? My five-year-old. And I was like, yeah, wait a minute. Is he responsible for her actions? And so hearing these things coming out of the mouth of a five-year-old child, she gave me permission to say, no, it's not that something's wrong with me.

It's the laws themselves that are problematic. And so that began me on my journey to secularism. That was the first thing. That was the first thing. She gave, I think that's the biggest step in anyone's journey to change anything about their life, is to give yourself permission to acknowledge that something is wrong.

That's the first step. And that was like, I mean, and that's the most frightening step in a way, because the catalyst for that, to say, I'm not happy, and I'm going to acknowledge that fact, is frightening in the sense that it forces you to face that, and then to come to terms with that

and then decide what you wanna do about it. Well, that problem is when you have that acknowledgement, then you have to do something about it. Exactly, it forces you to say, now what want to do about it. Well, that problem is when you have that acknowledgement, then you have to do something about it. Exactly. It forces you to say, now what am I doing about it? And did you speak to anybody about this? Did you have a friend you can confide in? Not a single thing.

No, nothing. I was so afraid that if I told anyone, they would take away my children. And so I didn't tell anyone. Could they really do that? Of course. Of course. I have so many people, so many friends,

whose children are not allowed to speak to them anymore. Most people who live in my community don't get to speak to their children. Most women who have to leave their children behind, which is the worst imaginable child. But how is that possible? Like women because religion, overpowers, war, that lets you not see the kid, the husband does. Not just the husband, but the children themselves don't want to see you because you left the path.

And they're taught, again, that you are the physical embodiment of evil. So that's so scary for you. It is, I mean, and don't forget, you know, think about all these religions when people leave the religion. Yeah. They lose their families because they're demonized by the culture that they've left.

So it's extremely rare, I'm very fortunate that my children came with me, because in most cases, that does not happen. That's why you're very rare. That's why your story to me is, I mean, it's like fascinating. So then, so what's the first thing that happened? So like walk us through this whole life.

Oh God. Walk us through your life, Julie. Oh my goodness, there's a really long book. You got it by the way. By the way, it's only 412 pages. It's not so bad. It's a long book. It was 1,740 pages when I handed it.

How much? 1,740 pages. Believe me, there's a lot of stories. I didn't. I was serious. I guess not. Because that was a long book for like a lot of books I got to go through a lot of books and your book was like double decides. Yeah

It's 14 400 and some odd pages and there's some like crazy stories in there like the sex stuff I thought for a second I was like reading like 50 shades of gray Oh, I wasn't expecting it like I was listening to While I'm working out, but there's no there's no dominant and submissive. No, no, no, no, I'm not a part of your Okay, I want to eat a lot of people partner first No, I want to dominate and I don't want to be submissive. No, thank you. It was very your book was extremely It was open. It was very open. It was super honest and Did you by the way did a lot of like you told a lot of stories even about your business

partners and everything else. Are those? I made a ball there named. Okay, because like, I changed all the facts about them. I was gonna say was that like defamation lost suits will be all over you. No, it wouldn't be defamation's only for you. Oh, that's right. That's true. So it wouldn't be a defamation lawsuit. It was more that I just didn't feel it was necessary to ruin people's lives. So then, okay, so at this time, when you, so you had this, this catalyst with, with your daughter, what, what do you do now? Now you've acknowledged yourself. And then now you start read a lot.

Start, I mean, I have, you know, as you saw off your other book, I, I've been reading before, but very differently. Now I started reading with a purpose to really educate myself because I knew I had no education. Right. And I knew that if I was going to go into the outside world, basically, you're going to hear that. I wanted, I knew I wanted to do that. I didn't know if I ever would have the guts to actually actually do it.

Right. But I knew that's what I wanted. That was the goal. That was the goal. Okay. And then, you know, what I realized is, how do you do that, by the way? I don't mean to. Mid 30s.

Mid 30s, okay. And so, I had Mary when I was 30, 29 or 30 or 30 and so when she was 5 I was around 35 years old. And so, you know, it's like, you see these astronauts who prepare for a mission. That's what it felt like. I was preparing for a mission to Mars. To a world I knew nothing about. Right. I was time traveling into a world that I knew nothing,

knew nothing of. And so I tried to educate myself. I read Voltaire, Euripides, Cicero, Spinoza, you name it, I have read it, all the classics. How do you have time? Well, first of all, I'm going to ridiculous in Zomniak. I don't sleep. And when I lived in Texas, I learned how to speed read. So I read crazy fast. Like how fast do you read?

How fast can you control? I could read my own book, probably, in the now and now. No way. Yeah. Yeah, it's very useful. It comes in handy. So how did you, how did you do that? Because the difference is it's actually really simple.

Anyone can do it. It's learning most people read with their mouth. Yeah. As if they're pronouncing the words. But think about what your eye can grasp. Your eye can grasp so much more at such a faster rate than your mouth can say. Yeah.

So if you learn to read with your eyes instead of with your lips, you know, your speed is multiplied by a hundred. I mean, it's, it's not comparable. And you're able to retain the information. It's the same. I read like you read. It's just I'm not mowling the words. I'm keeping it to all my books or not.

I don't. I'm a visual, totally a visual. I'm not an audio learner at all. So you were, so could buy the way I wanted to ask you what it was the day in the life of your old life. What was the day? Like you went, when you got one, I was teaching. So I was to ask you, what it was the day and the life of your old life? What was the day? Like you were telling me when you got to the hospital. When I was teaching, so I was generally nursing maybe go to school, do the morning prayers

with my students, stay in school till around five, six o'clock, do the afternoon prayer, come home, cook dinner, serve dinner, do homework with the kids, put the kids to sleep, prepare the classes for the next day, grade papers, start preparing for office, which happens every weekend is basically like making things, giving every weekend. And yeah, that was my life. Work, work, family, work. Wow, your life is different now, right? No, it's very different now.

I mean, it's unbelievable. But I used to still, I used to still do, like do you still do Shabbat and stuff like that? But I do. I do. Shabbat when Aaron comes. I mean, my version of Shabbat, you know,

I have a kosher kitchen in my house, I have kosher pizza oven, I have everything kosher for Aaron. And I love the concept of Shabbat is so beautiful, family together. I love the food, so I do that now, but not I don't observe it. Yeah, you know, I observe that. I do the meal, just I do things more that are cultural. And to please my son and to just spend family time together. And I'm very proud to be Jewish.

I mean, I'm pretty much out there saying, hi everyone, I'm a Jew. Right, right, right. So I'm talking more about the fundamental. I'm talking about a very small group. And again, it has nothing to do with Judaism. And the biggest proof of it is that those same roles that I have an issue with exist in every fundamentalist culture across the't. Yeah. And the biggest proof of it is that those same roles that I have an issue with exist

in every fundamentalist culture across the board. Right. Well, this was gonna say earlier too, was that when I heard about you in the show, when it was, it was because of the, like, have you stick, all the Jewish people were like, all my Jewish friends were like, did you see this show?

You gotta watch this thing. I felt like it was a very much like a Jewish centric show, but what I was I wrong. I mean, it was like a very popular across the board. What's really interesting is like, it was number two in Lebanon. It was number two in New Zealand and Australia. It was number one in, oh gosh, I think it was number one for a while in Brazil. And so I think because I kept on saying it's not about Judaism. I love being a Jewish person. As you see if you watched all nine episodes, you see I show the beauty in Judaism

that there's loving kindness, community, charity, gratitude, all sorts of beautiful traits that are really espoused there. It's about certain archaic laws that keep women down that need to go. And that's asking for laws to be changed is an act of love, not an act of hate. It's that simple. And if you think about the suffragettes, you know, when the show came out, there was this whole My Orthodox Life thing on Instagram. And it was women taking photos and cells with their children saying how happy they were. And, you know, what is sad about that is that it's twofold. Number one, it's not a happiness contest. Think

about when women marched for the right to vote. Was there argument the 24 million women in the United States are all unhappy? No. I guarantee you, out of those 24 million women, 22 of them didn't care whether they had the right to vote or not. They were used to not having the right to vote. They were mothers and wives, and they were perfectly content with their life.

But the law was unjust. I see what you're saying. It wasn't a happiness question. It was a, is this law just? Is it just that a woman can't vote? It is not just. Is it just that a woman can't get a mortgage on her own without a man? Not just.

Is it just that she can't get a credit card without a man? Not just. Is it just that a man in my community could beat his wife, the Rohra out of a window and she's not allowed to divorce him without his permission. That is not just. I don't care how many people are happy or not happy. The law is unjust and the law needs to go. And so, you know, when you think about that, you realize, number one, it's not a happiness contest. When I'm trying to do is give your children, you know, when you think about that, you realize, number one, it's not a happiness contest. What I'm trying to do is give your children your daughters

and their daughters a better life. And I understand that you're content with what you have. It's not how it should be. Also, I think there's an element of truth I wanna say. You don't know what you don't know, right? So, exactly. You don't know what it's ignorant, like you don't know what's out there. You can't get it. You don't know what you've never had. You don't know exactly. You don't know what you don't know, right? So you don't know what it's ignorant, like you don't know what's out there. You can't. You don't know what you've never had. Exactly. You don't

miss what you've never had. Exactly. And so, you know, I think about people in the 1800s were all women miserable. No. I'm sure the predominant amount of women were fine, but they were uneducated. They weren't allowed to live alone. They didn't have the same rights as men. And it's that. The quintessence of whether laws are just or unjust, that's what matters. So what do you say to people like when for the Jewish community, when they think that you're throwing Jewish people under the bus? Have you heard that at all? Yeah, of course. And you know, to me, again, any time someone points a light at some injustice, you're going to have haters by definition. And don't forget, the people who come out against me, they get lauded and praised.

They are standing in the community is raised. They will have accolades. Their children will get better, Shadokhan will get better matches if they attack me. Now support me, your kids will get thrown out of school. No one will talk to you. My sister was given an ultimatum. Her children were threatened to be thrown out of school. The one who went on the show with me. And she was told either cut off your sister or we're going to throw your kids out of school. And she chose to cut me off. She doesn't talk to me now either

because she had to make that choice and she chose the community. So being my friend, supporting me is an extremely dangerous thing to do publicly. And I learned from the experience of the show, and in the book, if you go on brazenbook.com, there's a link called Sources. And because it's a book, and so there's a lot more time to really expand upon things,

I source every single word, I say. And I shouldn't say I source, because I had the help of this extraordinary woman, her name is Penny Gold. She actually is a transgender woman who is now a lawyer. She, her family comes from the same Yashiva brisk as my brothers did. She remembers walking down the street as a guy spinning on inappropriately dressed women.

And I needed someone who was in the Yashiva to help me source things because most women can't open the gama because first of all, they're not allowed to. And second of all, it's written in a language, they're not taught. It's written in a aramek. I taught myself how to read a aramek. You did. Yeah. That's how

I started studying the gama r I mean, now believe me, and you're a religious person, and you religious person for my community, who hears this says, aha, you see, this is what happens when you educate women. They go off the dirt, they go off the path, and they become Julia.

So you see, this is why women should not be educated. So I'm actually shining an example of why women, you shouldn't educate women because they turn into Julia hearts. And so, you know, now in the book, you see, there's almost no negative anything. There are no people from the community coming out. there's almost no negative anything. There are no, there's no people from the community coming out. It's really hard now because I've proven every

part. Right. There's a tack up every single thing I say. So it's made a lot harder to call me a liar now. I don't think I don't even think it's about being a, I think because these extreme, these extreme rules, it does no question. It's crazy. I'm sorry, they're just wrong. The rules are bad. It is nothing to do with the people and nothing to do with the religion. I think what I'm talking about more is not so much even from the fundamentalist community. I'm talking from the overall Jewish community.

Oh, from the Jewish community, I've had the most incredibly positive because most people, I would say 99.99, 9% has been very positive. Most people say we never get to see secular Jews portrayed on reality television. You don't have a family that is openly, proudly Jewish, who show the beauty of the world, not just that extremist thing. And that is the show. If you actually watch the entire show, you see, I show many different kinds of Judaism.

We show how proud we are and we have a meal in the suck. I mean, there's no way you watch that show and think I don't like Jews. It's impossible. So either, a lot of the hate came from my community or people who watched one episode and decided that I didn't like Jews but anyone who's watched the entire show has had I mean

any one secular I haven't had a single I can't even think of a singular and I get a comment from a secular Jewish person I've gotten not one really yeah because there's more about like I think also your show aired maybe with a lot of anti-Semitism was at its height. Yeah, I remember that. Because when I showed air, there was that whole thing with Israel and the bombings and all of that stuff. Exactly. And I think from what I'm saying, I can't control politics or what crazy people do.

Not, I mean, there are many things I can control. I can't control politics people. I'm sorry. No, of course. But I think the problem was more about the fact that people who aren't educated or knowledgeable don't know can't decipher the difference. They feel like if you don't know any better or if you're just, it's just a random show,

then you'll be fine. Then you'll be okay. Then you'll be okay. So that, or read the book. Or read the book. Again, back to that book for a second. I mean, it's really, okay, so talk about that because you then became, you basically transformed in a, like, it's really incredible.

So then you learn all these things, you're reading on all these things, and you gradually get yourself, like, because you're 42 when you leave this whole thing. I was about to be 43. I left in November of 2012. I became 43 in April. So like five months later.

So you have no knowledge of anything. How did you, so actually you had one job. I wanted to ask you about your first- Met life. Met life. So okay, so I want you to talk about that and how that happened and the lessons you learned from that. I loved working at Met life.

I'll tell you, I have so much gratitude to them because you were still religious. Oh my God. I looked like a religious, non-slash, librarian slash, someone very trustworthy, because I was covered at that last minute. I was like an old bummy. Of course, you're going to buy insurance from our old bummy.

Right? So, yeah, no, I mean, it was an incredible experience. The woman who took me on was this lovely woman. I can't remember what I changed her name to in the book. But she had a very Jewish last name, although I found out later she just married a Jewish guy. She wasn't actually Jewish. And she was the first convert I met,

meaning she had converted for, and a first person who was still not religious convert, because of course there's religious converts in my community, but I mean, a woman who is not Jewish married to a Jewish guy, and in my world that's like the worst thing there is, because you're killing off the line of Jews and whatever. And then here she is and she's delightful and lovely.

And I was like, wait a minute, those two things don't judge. She's amazing, I love her. But I think the things that I really learned from that life are, don't ask. So you know, one of the greatest, I mean, in the end, everything in life is sales. Whether you're selling yourself, you're selling your vision, you're selling what your company is making. We all spend all day selling. Yeah, that's what we do.

That's the foundation of everything. That is the foundation of everything. Yeah. It's just a trip of life. Of life. You're going to sell what restaurant you want to go to with your husband or your wife for whatever. Yeah.

It's all sales. I agree. And so learning how, and to me, what does it mean to sell? Why did you get the job in the first place? So it's funny because that's a really good question to you. I'm just a backtrack for a second. So you know who, what's your name? Hold on, it just eluded me this very second.

Stern. Howard Stern? No, no, no. A woman from the 1940s who lived in France. She and her brother, Leo, and oh my goodness. How did I forget her name? She was a famous collector of art. She's considered the mother of Impressionist art.

Did me treat guys Google Stern. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, proud of myself. I remember that. Okay, that's a good story. Gertrude's side. Okay. So Gertrude's side and her brother, Leo, live in Paris. And at the time, the Academy de Bousard in Paris would not show impressionist art because it had broken all the rules, right? It was a very different way of capturing light with all these little dots. And so she was the first place that many people were exposed to it because she would put impressionist art all over her house, Monae, Manet, Degas, and all of the rest.

And her house became this salon intellectual, so you would have the Hemingways and all of these, you know, the intellectuals of that time, they would all come. And someone asked, what is people's reaction when they see impressionism for the first time? And the line that her brother said to me is the quintessence of all sales. He said, they come to mock, but they stay to pray. And that sales. When people don't understand what you're selling, when you are creating something new, and people look at you like you're crazy until they realize it's brilliant. Right. That's everything in life. That's being a disruptor in general. That's being a disruptor. When I took over UWG in 2019, I started the avatars and metaverse in 2019.

But that's a leap for people to know. Yeah, and everyone thought I was crazy. You know, we were taking the company public, we started doing that and not even six months after I took the company over, we started that process and the bankers and everyone told me, Julie, don't talk about metavers or avatars. People are going to think you're crazy. Of course, then COVID hit. And so we started monetizing that avatar division last year in 2021. It exploded.

And now the minute Facebook became meta, it's all metaverse. It's all virtual. It's all avatars. But I've been doing it for two years. We had the most hyper realistic avatars out there. And so the things that were doing that be that are really, yeah, I started then 2019. And again, they come to mock. Everyone told me I was crazy. And here we are exactly as I first saw it.

Of course, I couldn't foresee the personal stuff. In my way, I wish I could have seen that one coming. I mean, that, but from the work perspective, you know, everything I transformed the company into a digital talent is media company and look at the world today, I brought in virtual metaverse and avatars and look at the world today. More from our guests, but first a few words from our sponsor. A change of season always means longer days, better outdoor activities, and more ways to get healthier, including checking it on your health and wellness.

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You did actually ask me about my life, so. Yeah, because that was your first job job. Like when I say job, like corporate, like job. So, I think take the job, why could I? Because I needed to make money for my escape fund. So, you knew, that was when you knew you were gonna, that was your part of your plan. It was a, I'm too scared to really say it out loud,

but just in case one day maybe if I have the guts. Right, plan. Right, exactly. But you're just gonna, like, you're gonna just, just in case one day maybe if I have the guts plan. Right, exactly. So you're just gonna like, you're gonna just just just in case. Just in case I ever have the guts to actually walk to something. That was your first entree until like the world.

And even then it wasn't really an entree because it was still us and them. I didn't talk to anyone. I didn't go to dinners with anyone. I didn't go out for lunch. I didn't Meet with them socially or casually. They were still the dangerous people who hate Jews and are gonna burn me in ovens if I'm not careful So even when I was working at Mount Life because I was still so religious and so extremist I never became friends with any of them. I was a very big divide, but

you know, I just work from home. I know. I went to the office on a day and in my full guard, but most of most of selling life insurance you're traveling to me people. So you spend almost no time in the office. You're really in your car going from place to place and How long were you there for? Basically every week. This this is before the no calling, the no calling laws, right? Yeah, yeah. So I would, they would have this weekly contest where whoever got the most appointments from cold calls would get like an extra $500. I won every single week that I was there. Every single. Did you? Yeah. Because I was in such a stubborn, determined little human. Right.

Right. I wasn't given up until I had gotten the most deployments. And I was fast. Right. So, you know, but you learn things like never say to a person, would you like to meet? Say, would you like to meet Tuesday or Thursday or House Thursday at five and then they tell you, oh, maybe we do seven, but you take away that initial rejection and it works. It's amazing. So there's just so many things.

You meet two more. Two more. So that one to me is my absolute favorite is you'd be surprised at what people will say yes to if you don't, if you assume that they say yes. I'm a big believer in that. So that's why I want you to. Yes. I think number two, I would say is the most important thing of sales is listen. People think the more you talk, the more you saw it's actually the dieometric opposite. Because if you really want to connect with someone, you need to know, what are they interested in? What makes them tick? How do I communicate when I'm selling in a way that is important in their world? Because you know, we can look at the same river, you see an adventure, I see wet and cold, you know, it's everything in life is so dependent on the person viewing it.

And so I think the second thing that I learned from Outlife is to be a good listener. To be a good salesperson, you need to be a really good listener. And I think, I guess number three is learning to get along and communicate and find some ground of connectivity with people in every imaginable ethnicity, lifestyle, belief system. I think what connects as is so much greater than what divides us and it's finding those points of connection that can really get you far. So I learned all of that from that life. So I have tremendous amount of gratitude to them. Did you sell a lot of life insurance? I did, yes.

I saw a lot of whole life and, you know, I was good at it. Of course, I didn't do it for too long. How long were you there? Probably not even over, probably just a year, maybe a year and a half because I got pregnant again. and it was just too much. I was teaching in two schools, nursing a child, pregnant with my next child, and so it was just too much. So you got pregnant again, even though you were plotting

your escape? I have been pregnant 10 times, 10 pregnancies, six miscarriages for children. That's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. That's a lot. At least you're a fertile though. Well yeah, no, honey, I have clothes that shop down. If you want more children, do not date me, please. We gotta love my children, but I cannot have anymore. I raised my seven siblings. I've had 10 pregnancies. I have four children. I am done in dust. How are you so fertile?

First of all, by the way, you are dating, and we're gonna talk about it. I just went on dating after the first time on Saturday. I love it so much fun. I love it. Julia walks in here and she's like, oh my gosh, you know that I'm not like a million dating apps. I just got on the weekend.

I'm on hinge. I'm on this one. That's so fun. I know, well, I don't know I'm married. Oh my God. And who knows, my kids have been doing it all this time. And I've had quite the dry spot. I mean, I stopped having sex with my husband April 2020.

So it's been a while. And you haven't dated anybody? So I went on my first update. So I went on on Saturday, and I'm an overachiever. So Saturday night I went. You did? OK, wait, because you're in LA right now. So Saturday night I went. You did? Yeah. Okay, wait, because you're in LA right now.

So hold on a second. You put yours okay. Forget about the rest of these boring questions. So you went on a bumble, you went on hinge. What else did you want? The league. The league. Yeah, and then I just applied to the riot.

Riot. Riot, but someone needs to help you with that one. That one. And then I also, yeah, so that's it. The league, riot, yeah, so that's it. The Valieg, Raya, Hinge, and Bumble. Okay, so Sint is only like a few days. Which one is your favorite so far? Well, I don't know Raya because I haven't gotten on it yet.

Right, right, excluding that for a moment. But it's, you know, it's hard to say because right now it's all very new and exciting. Like I go on my Bumble thing and there's like 7,000 people who want to go out with me. So that's kind of cool. That's a lot of people. You get the higher somebody just to go through all this.

It's so cool. Good for all those people. There's a so many people. How do you go through all those people? So that's exciting and fun and it feels really nice. Oh wait, how was your date on Saturday? It was very nice. I mean, am I going to see him again?

No. Well, who was he? Where's your mom? Oh, it was his story. I probably shouldn't say. I'll be nice. Call him again? No. Well who was he? Where's your story? I probably shouldn't say. I'll be nice. Okay, call him a different name. But, you know, he was 30.

You're 30. 30 or maybe 30, huh? Three say how old you are? I'm 51. Okay, she's 51, but she looks like she's 21. I love you. I know. And I want to say that to be polite.

I kid you not, and like, you look like a doll. Oh my goodness. No, you do. And you went out to 30 year old. Oh my goodness, like, you can't take it. And you went out to 30-year-old, and then was it that he was too old for you? Yeah, I only did 20-year-olds on the way. I was going to say, I mean, to keep up with you. No, it's not, you know, very nice. Where'd you go for your date?

I, you know, I'm very, I, you know, I have very little time, so because I'm doing all this press for the book, and all these interviews, and all these other things. So I did it nice and easy, the bar on my hotel. Oh, that's easy. How long did it last? 45 minutes, and now? No, like an hour. It was very nice. I think for my first experience, the person who was on my phone actually appeared.

He wasn't fake, he hadn't exaggerated anything about himself, and he was very personable and very nice. And am I going to see him again? No. And also I realize it doesn't make sense to date people in LA. I live in New York. Right, but you're sure a lot.

I am here a lot, but I think it's just a bit too complicated. It is. Unless someone's going to keep flying back and forth. Do you want a younger guy, though? Yeah. Yeah. someone's gonna keep flying back and forth, you know. Do you wanna younger guy though? Yeah, you know, before my husband, when I left my community until then, I'd only dated people who were much younger than I am.

Now, do I care if someone's older? No, I don't really care. I think age really is just a whole new year. How old is your ex-girl that your guy, the husband that I am? Yeah, I'm currently divorcing his early 60s. Okay, so that's not true. No, it's just now. Everyone else I dated before him was 30s. Okay, so I'm not going to go. No, it's just now.

Everyone else I dated before him was 30s. Yeah, I remember from the book. Just get the book, just read it for the sexual stories. And I was like, I was like blushing. I'm like, okay, how long? I was like crazy. Oh my goodness, I'm blushing. Every time I think about it, I had to write it.

Oh. Because I had to show the truth of my freedom. And to me, sexual freedom was part of that. 100% of the entire family. I did feel embarrassing. Like, when I think about the fact that people actually are going to read it. How about your kids? Oh, my God.

My kids know that. So Iron is never going to leave it. Oh, well, maybe. My 14 year old son does not need to ever read this book. OK, but Shl, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but a sanitized version. I just said, okay, okay. And that was it. Maryam read it full on. Bachseva has not read it yet. She is planning on reading it once she has a significant other.

She just wants someone to hold her hand. Oh, after the two days. And like, and she, she, she's basically like smoke a joint. Yeah, pretty much. She's got a virtual when she reads that. I mean, I was just like, I put it bullet case open. No, it is really more embarrassing to think of like random strangers on the street knowing that I Squirt when I come like I know I couldn't I was like what am I reading I thought this was a gemma james

Simport like you know, I don't know what that is but I'm sure Jenna James Sim was when I like these like very well-known porn stars back when I mean I don't know who the new ones are the thing is I'm actually kind of shy when it comes to men. I don't as confident as I know I know you're laughing because you read my book and you're like this one is shy. That's not the word I was. I did it purposefully because again I knew that if I sanitized it if I censored myself it wouldn't be real.

It wouldn't be authentic and it wouldn't help other people. To me, you know, when I first came out of the community, I got invited to this vogue thing I sent in at drawing, and it was meet all these really top designers. And I remember meeting Donatella Versace, and Albert Elba's, and all of these people. And we got to ask them all these questions. And what I loved about it is that they were real. They didn't bullshit you. They didn't tell you, oh, it's easy. And oh, yes, you know, manufacturing is a breeze

and logistics. I mean, they were real. And that's the only way to actually help someone is to show the messiness and the confusion and the mistakes and the whole journey. Totally true. So I had to do it. Is it comfortable? No. Do I want to think about people reading those things? No I went on Jeff Lewis's ex-send. Oh, I know. I think I saw that. Oh my god. I was watching. Oh, yeah And they had someone read one of the pages. I know. I know. I saw that. So she talked about Jeff Lewis. He was on that show. Was it flipping out or is that the name? Yeah, he's great. He's such a dear friend of mine. He's so funny. He's so, but also you know what?

He's real. He's true blue. He's such a good friend. I love him dearly. I love that. See, that's what I think people resonate with that, like being real. And I think that, you know, love you or hate you. In any way, like, no, if you are an open book, that's the funny thing. People who are, people love vanilla, because it's plain, right?

It's easy. It's easy. It's safe. I'm not saying I'm not easy, right? But I am open and I don't hide anything. I mean, it's ridiculous. It is what it is. And people are going to their love you for it or not like you for it.

And most people who don't like you is because they're probably because they're scared or fearful. I am. I see something in themselves they can't like, they don't want to face. That's usually why people like to stain someone else. I think. I agree with you. But I am finding to a lot of people. I am dangerous for a lot of people.

Well, I think also women who have stronger personalities or successful is very intimidating, even to other women who don't have, because either they feel that they aren't that and that makes them uncomfortable, but usually again, it's because of themselves. I tend to get along really well with women. Like easier than with men, I find I can communicate with them better.

And I understand them more. As confident in I am in business, as confident as I am in interpersonal relationships when it comes to women, I'm kind of a novice when it comes to guys. I mean, think about it. My first dates, I was when I was 42 years old, I'm 51, that's nine years ago. So I don't have much experience. I didn't do prom. I didn't have my first love when I was 16.

My first love was when I was 43. That is so crazy. So I have a lot of catching up to do. And clearly, I'm a terrible judge of male character. Wow. Disastrous. I mean, maybe I've got a long way to go. Maybe, maybe husband.

But I think you've had some pretty nice escapades along the way. Escapades, yes, but that's not a relationship. That's, have you had any relationship longer than at one night's stand or? Well, I had that, my one boyfriend before my husband, the guy with the Trevi Thountain. Oh, right.

How long did that last for? Six, seven months. How old was he? 30. 30. So that's probably your strike zone, right? The 30-year-olds. Somewhere in late 20s, probably to mid 40s.

But where intellectually are you, like, how do you... I'm a sapiosexual. It's a new word I learned. Isn't that for someone who you love smart people? Yeah, I'm attracted to intellect. That's what gets me. what gets 30 and you're 50 What do you but you know why because they are don't think they're all that yet. They're not ego-tistical shits Excuse my language right no no no right so you know I I don't I don't need

Someone to support me. I don't want to have more children. I want a partner a real partner an actual equal and so children. I want a partner, a real partner, an actual equal. And so what I have in for me and again, and I'm sure that there's millions of men who are not like this and happy to meet them. So I'm not ages, meaning if I meet someone who's 55 or 60 who's brilliant and kind and not an ego-tistical, an asshole great. But unfortunately what I've found is when people are starting in their career, they're still humble. If they're super successful, they think they're all that, they think they're... They're narcissistic. They're very narcissistic, and I think, unfortunately, there's a lot of men out there like that,

because I don't know why, honestly, I'm a bit clueless. Obviously, I'm still open, and of course, if I meet someone who's 55 and brilliant and kind, Halloween, right on totally and, but I think the reason I skew younger is because it's also think about it. I'm at that stage of my journey that most people are in their early 30s. I'm just getting started. I've been in the workforce for nine years. I know most people who are 30, they've been in the workforce for nine years.

I also think honestly, it's an energy thing. What am I good at friends? Very energy. Very, no, but also it's like a vital energy vibrational thing. Like you come across, you're very lively, you're cutesy, you don't come across like an old like kind of like, hag, you know, not to say like 50 year olds are hags. But what I'm saying is you want to experience life You want to start. I'm just getting started

I need someone who's also just getting started or or your explored your like adventurous year It's one take like you're not in that stage of life So you're gonna match with people who are also exactly right. I that's what it is It's not purposeful, but that's just what ends up happen. It is how How about attractive what? I mean, listen, a guy who's 30 is going to be way more vibrant. Look, Suize, I don't really care. I don't care vibrant, though. I just need someone who's like fit. Right.

And it's easier to be fit when you're 30 versus like, think she's like, I don't care, hi, I don't care ethnicity, I don't care religion, as long as you're not religious. Right, right. I don't care about, I don't care religion, as long as you're not religious. Right, right. I don't care about any of those things. It's really you need to be, you know, you need to have an intellect. You need to be able to have, you know, stimulate and conversation with me and be kind.

I'm just so tired of ego. I'm so tired of hubris and this idea that you're God, I just can't handle that anymore. Was your husband Sylvia? Sylvia, what was his name? Sylvia. Sylvia, because it looked like you were really happily married before all this shit hit the fan basically. Well, no, I mean, it was pretty bad from day one in the sense that you really didn't

want to have my kids around. So the children became a constant source of aggravation. And so you know about a year and we realized this is not going to work because I cannot. We got married in June of 2019. So it didn't last very long. And by January 2021 we'd already decided we're getting a divorce. Oh so what do you think it was longer. No, no, no, very short. How did you date him for? Well, we met, we met in 2015.

We started dating like a year and a half later. And then we've known each other since 2015. But I got engaged, I think we were trying, it's funny. I was trying to remember and figure out I've been literally scrolling to try and figure out when we actually got engaged. I think it was at the end of 2017 or the beginning of 2018. Okay, so let's talk about that because okay, I don't want the day Of course, I love the dating stuff. I can talk all day about that, but Because I want to talk with the business stuff and he was a big like he was wasn't he the

chairman of elite and Lopurla and all this. So he was a CEO and owner of Lopurla when I when we when our we our companies did that first co-branding. Right. So let's let's okay I'm gonna go back then. Sorry everybody, but the book ends. The book ends with me becoming creative director of Lopurla. It doesn't it there's nothing about him in the book ends with me becoming creative director of La Parla. It doesn't, there's nothing about him in the book really except for like my first meeting for 30 minutes with him because the book ends when I walk into the door. That's why it's long sleeves to linger. Yes.

So now we need book two to go from lingerie to EWG to where I want to stay. To all the others to lie on Orthodox life. So book two is coming. Are you going to write in a book? I have an idea. Something. I want going to stay. To all the others to buy on Orthodox life. So book two is coming. Are you getting ready in a book? I have been in a book. I have been in a book. Well, I want to talk about so you,

okay, so you have the job at MetLife and then we're going to skip all that and then what happens is you then, how did you actually, could you start as a shoe designer? And I found this very interesting, you have no experience. You don't really have any money, you know, you had a little bit of money from MetLife. I suppose. Yeah, I'm not very interesting. No experience. You don't really have any money.

You had a little bit of money from MetLife, I suppose. Yeah, not necessarily. And then you get this gig with some guy who gives you this job opportunity to be a shoe designer for him. That's like a big, how did you pull that off? How did you work that? What did you tell other people? Yeah, I mean, honestly.

I mean, there's a shitty situation. I'll tell you, to me, the two greatest strengths that helped me do it are ignorance and stubbornness. Meaning, I didn't know how crazy it was to start a shoe company without a college degree, without knowing anyone in the fashion industry, I'd never heard of PR. I didn't know what marketing was. I didn't know about editors and creative diving. Nothing. So it was, hey, I've just time traveled 200 years

and I'm still alive. Sorry, take it. It wasn't water. I'll take your cue component. Yum, yum, yum. It's very good. You like it? Be OK.

For me, I didn't know how much I didn't know. I didn't know what an absurd, bizarre, crazy idea was to start a fashion brand without any experience. I figured, but I can time travel. I can start a shoot right? Right. And also because I hadn't been technically trained, I wasn't stuck in what is. I wasn't forced into that kind of thinking of,

well, this is how it's done. And this is the norm. When I took over La Parla and from the day I started with my shoes and then the lingerie, it's always been about eradicating this concept of suffering for beauty. And when I first started saying the word comfort, we're talking 2016, people in the media told me,

Julia, don't use the word comfortable. It's a dirty word in the fashion industry. Well, look how far we've come. It's not a dirty word anymore. And that's because I, like many others, just wouldn't shut up about it. And we said, no, this whole idea of suffering from beauty, of fitting our bodies and stuffing ourselves into tortuously painful clothing so that a man can find this attractive by this is I mean it was 2016 why are women still

suffering for beauty yeah and so because I wasn't trained in this what's the norm or what is, I saw what could be. And so that's what I went for. And then the other thing is I'm a very stubborn person. I work very hard. I work 20-hour days until this day, and I don't give up. And I really plot away. And you know, so many, you've read the book.

There's so many things that happen. My company died 800 times almost almost but I just one let it die. So but how did the go okay so then you don't know how to be a shoe designer. I literally taught myself how to make shoes I taught myself everything. And this guy just gave you the job. I met investors in restaurants. How did you meet? Let's talk about. On airplanes in. Because you went.

Anyway, because I was a one woman 24, seven PR machine. But you were my company. But you got funding and all this stuff. Oh, yeah. So you went from having no money living in the channel, basically, to then having a shit ton of money and being very successful. So I need to talk to you about the in-between how we went from that, that side of the

pendulum to the other side. You saw, I mean it's really, I mean it's a long story, that's a big chunk of the book, but basically the sky gives me this opportunity. I was supposed to design shoes for a brand he was buying. He decides not to buy the brand. And then says, well, but I love your shoe designs. Let's start a company together. And so we do. And it sounds insane, but I do it.

I have this little tiny office at New York, around 200 square feet, if that much. Probably was 140 square feet. And it was the greatest thing in my life. I mean, there was Julia Hart on the door. It was my dream come true to work in fashion. It's what I wanted since I was old enough to want anything. When I first time, I remember dreaming of being a fashion designer, I was three years old. You always loved it. You from the day I have a memory, I have loved this industry. And so, you know, for me, we're addressing nice under your outfits or what? No, there's not under, it's just that I covered myself

that I was very, I was as fashionable and figure hugging, meaning I followed all the laws, I didn't follow the spirit of the laws. Meaning yes, I was covered, had to go. You still dress well. But I was dressed well. Right. I mean, I looked like, you know, a president's wife, you know what I'm saying? Always covered, had to tell.

Very conservative. Very conservative. And of course, I hated it because it's not who I am. I'm not a conservative personality, but at least I would put color in and I got yelled at all the time. And I would say, show me in the Torah where it says, God doesn't lack color. I said, the day that God makes gray flowers, that's when I'll stop wearing color.

Until then, you're not gonna convince me that God hates color. I'm sorry. He doesn't hate color. But you had all these nights clothes, when he first had them, was he wealthy then? So, you know, he was successful. I mean, I worked and he worked as well, and he worked for an energy company. And, yeah, I mean, that's always he worked as well and he worked for an energy company.

And yeah, I mean, that's always been my way of expressing myself. So yeah, I've had, I mean, I had beautiful clothes, I was wearing deor back then too. It was just the deor things that like a seven-year-old would wear completely covered, more, you know, quote unquote, presidential, looking, not sexy or feminine or sensual or playful, very proper, very dignified.

And I am not a proper woman. No, you're don't. I am improper. I'm delightfully improper, that's like the lead. And for out of it. And you should be brazen. You're very brazen. There you go.

So then, okay, so then what happened? So then how did you go from that, how did the lapura lifting happen? Also, you did you go from that? How did the LaPurla thing happen? Also, the way that the shoes started getting sold is... Parads? And I went to Paris Fashion Week because to me, I associated Paris and Fashion. I stayed in the nicest hotel.

I got a giant suite because fake it to you make it, right? You look successful and then you become successful. And so the first person who walked into my showroom was this woman that I met the night before at a fashion party and she was the head buyer of Herod's. And even though my shoes in the end didn't go into Herod's because you read the book, it was a disaster, but her ordering it,

you know, created this trickle effect. And so it was Gowri Lafayette was carrying it and Farfetch was carrying it. And then Gowri Lafayette did buy. And then all of a sudden, it's all over the world. And people in Hong Kong are wearing it. And the four seasons in Hong Kong started carrying them in their spawn. It just went global. And one thing led to another, I met this guy in Hong Kong,

and he said, look, LaParl has been trying to become a fashion brand, a full fashion brand for the last three years. There's been four creative directors, and it's not working. But your shoes are so comfortable. They may sell really well with lingerie. Would you be interested in a co-branding?

And so within two years of launching my company? I co-branded with the largest Laundry company in the world that had 127 points of sale globally. So in two years Julia Hart went global that to me is what that that's the probably one I get to that to me is a it's crazy It's crazy Yeah, and so would you say that you basically made your own lot? Like what would be good? I think so. It was to me. In the rest you said in the stubbornness for sure.

And I do believe that if you want something with all your heart and soul and it's not enough to want it, you have to work. You have to want it so badly that you eat it, sleep it, breathe it, dream it, you can't. It was really life or death. I mean, and I'm not saying that in a hyperpolic way. I mean, it was truly either, Julia Hart was going to succeed or I was going to die.

Those were the options. Right. And so that's how much you need to want it. And I think if you wanted that badly and you work that hard for it, I think the universe helps you. You know, I always say I am more spiritual now than when I was religious. I have, I believe in God, I have tremendous gratitude.

I feel like he has held my hand through this entire journey. And you know, and as you see, I'm still fighting for my freedom. I'm just getting started. This is just the beginning. So then like, what have I got plans, baby? I mean, I'm not concerned for you. So then you get, but then you end up marrying the guy who gave you that opportunity.

So was there like some kind of like relationship before you made the deal? No, not at all. In fact, I met him for only 30 minutes before the deal was made. And thought he was really a morphe. That's the dollar, the truth. And then, you know, the way that it happened

is through the company, right? So I met him for 30 minutes in, in, where it was in Tokyo. And then from there, he said, okay, now, you know, the creative director has to approve you. The merchandising people have to be. So the rest of the process was not anywhere related to him. So I think the second time I met him, I'd already been working there in five, six months.

Really? So the deal was made already before his time again. And then, how did that whole thing go? How did you get from there to elite? Because elite's like a massive modeling. Well, I didn't really want to take over lead in the beginning because he's a chairman of that. Well, he owned the company at the time.

I think a lot of people were, to be honest, were a little bit confused. They thought they was him that kind of gave you your, well, first of all, it was first, you know, first it was Julia Hartmarry, Silvio because he's a billionaire. That's right. That was my first thing. I had an amazing type of people who all came on board because of me, who all joined Because Julia Hart married Solvio because he's a billionaire. That's right. That was my first thing. I had an amazing tip of people who all came on board because of me who all joined EWG after I took over.

And we've done incredible things and the company became collaborative, cohesive, really acted like a global company. When I took over, there was no CFO. There was no global CFO. Can you imagine a global model management company with no CFO, with no head of H.O. It was crazy. There was no order or organization. There was no structure. Everyone in the company wanted the structure. They wanted to act like a... I mean, the people in the company, there's so many wonderful, hardworking people, and they were so excited for the future.

They loved the digital and they were, you know, great partners to have and we, we did this all together and I'm very proud of what we've accomplished together. So we're not going to let any man steal my work, my effort, the value that I have created with the people in that company and try and take it all away from me. No. Right. And, wow, that you said that. Is there any other companies or ideas you want to do?

Would you go back into the shoe business? No, no, you know, I have a fashion brand that's coming to stores and to stores. No, I didn't. You said you didn't have any idea. I have a shapewear brand called Plus Body. And it's going to basically every store that you shop in. I think it's in Macy's, Blooming's, Nordstrom's, I can't recall which ones it is, but it's in a bunch of different.

And what is it called? It's called Plus Body by Julia Hart. It is a shapewear brand. Like a spanks or a skim. No, so it's very, very different. It's really, really exciting. It's really exciting. It's taken me a bunch of years. So basically, as you know, all shapewear

is beige, white, and black. And that's not because people are boring or because they have no imagination. All shapewear is that ugly and looks like shapewear because if you put color on a material and then you stretch it. If it's stretchy, you get those nasty lines. Yeah, and you can see it. And you can see it. Yeah.

So that's why shapewear is so ugly. Okay. So we had to figure out a different way to put color into materials so that when you stretch it, you don't get those nasty lines. We found a company in Japan that we work with who have figured out this way that they heat fuse the color into the material. And so it's like elastic roll way I have a picture. I'll show you. It's like elastic roll. You would never believe that it's shape where you can wear it out as much as you can wear it in. And then when we realize, wait a minute, if we are fusing the color in, why don't we fuse

the materials together. And so for the first time, you have bodysuits that don't have that nasty line down the back. You have those boy shorts that don't have that line here in the front because the materials are fused together. So it's the thinnest, tightest shape where you could possibly imagine, but it's beautiful. You can wear it out as much as you can wear it in here. And hold you in. It completely. Look. And it gives everybody, for some reason, this is accidental. Totally not purposeful. I'm going to be honest. It gives everyone boobs. It's unbelievable. It doubles

everybody's breast size. It's just so cool. Take a look and scroll through. How many shoes? Oh wow. Does that look like shapewear? Exactly. No way. See, when we were showing it to stores, they made me take it off the models. They didn't believe me at shapewear. That's shapewear. Scroll through. That looks like a dress. Yeah. You can wear it in. No, it's not shapewear. That's shapewear. Scroll through. That looks like a dress. Yeah. You can wear it in. No, it's not shapewear. I mean, it's Christy. Yeah. It's actually really nice. Thank you. And now we're making bathing suits like this. Imagine you can wear a colorful bathing suit with patterns that looks like any other bathing suits. Like a socky wig. Now it's shapewear, right now it's just shapewear.

How much is the price point for that? Like a normal, it's pretty much the same as a woolford. Like a normal, okay, so it's not like, it's not like, no, it's not outrageous. That means it's expensive. I mean, a woolford is a hundred, a hundred, a hundred, thirty dollars. It's not five dollars.

Right. But you can wear it in, wear it out. You know, what made me think of it is that is Bridget Jones, I saw it many more years and, you know, later than most people. Yeah. And there's this moment when she has to decide whether she's going to wear the shapewear and go to the party for her first date with Hugh Grant. But then she knows she's going to look better in her dress with the shapewear,

but then she can't bring him home because she's embarrassed. She doesn't want him to see that she's wearing shapewear. Oh, I don't remember this at all. And so she decides you know what, she's going to wear the shapewear so she can look at in her dress, and then she gets tipsy and brings him home and forgets about the shapewear. And there's that moment where he takes her shoes and he's like, oh, look at these tiny, notty little shoes. And then he starts takes her shoes and he's like, oh, look at these tiny, notty little shoes. And then he starts lifting her dress and he's like,

oh, look at these fabulous, notty little dress. And then he gets to the shapewear. And he's like, oh my God, what is this? And that moment, I thought to myself, how many women have gone there? Where we're embarrassed because we're wearing shapewear. And so I wanted to eradicate that moment. I wanted to, this whole idea of comfort and function.

And like, and like, looking good. Exactly, luxury and function out. That was really nice actually. When is it in the stores? Just, are you okay? You're having more work. I've been making you talk for way too long. You are a new playlist. Mother Nature. Make your summer special at the Kia Summer Sales event with a dependable Kia SUV or powerful sedan. Kia, movement that inspires. Call 800-333-4

Kia for details, always drive safely, event N7523. Okay, I'm going to outwrap this app. God knows how long it's been. I mean, listen, she's probably like has like, she's probably have my voice a voice for like two weeks The okay, so by the way, it was amazing having you on you amazing my my science like I don't know what's happening But go find if you guys Julia's book is called brazen. It really is a great read. It's super interesting. It's fascinating just like you are Thank you And what tell tell people where they if they don't know you, where they can find you, the book and all the other jazz.

So it's called brazen, you can go to brazenbook.com. I'm at really hard on Instagram. Watch my Netflix show My Unorthodox Life and get ready for season two. Yes. It's gonna be crazy. I can only. Oh my god, no you can't.

I'm not gonna say maybe not. No, I'm gonna get cancer. Is it like a real house-sweyer type of like drama? I can't even put a name to it. You just gotta watch it. It's, I mean, you think season one, yeah, just wait till you see season two. Really?

Oh my gosh, I'm excited. And I'm excited. I'm super excited. Well, thank you for being on. Thank you for having me on. You know, I think one of my favorite things about this is getting to meet women like you. And then it kind of expands my friend's circle and absolutely. Absolutely.

It's so nice because there's, I think, I have a guy for you. I have a guy for you. I'll tell you after. What do you do? Goody, goody. Yeah, sorry, but go ahead. Just keep on moving through flattery, then I'll tell you after. No, but I'm serious.

You know, we were talking about Lisa before, like people like you and Lisa, women need to see us together. 100% I agree with you. I think you're right, because as a group we're so much stronger. Absolutely, and it's, I think women who are, you find people who are similar,

you gravitate to people. Kindred spirits. And they help, they build you up. And they help. I think it's, things are done in, you can't build a village is one person. There's a saying in the Psalms into Helen, which is Tahom, Korei, Al-Tahom,

which means the deep, call to the deep. Like mind the people, find you. I love that exactly. And that's so true. It's really true. So I'm so glad I met you. I'm going to grab your information. Yeah So I'm so glad I met you on my grab of information. Yeah, I'm gonna exchange.

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