Habits and Hustle - Episode 19: Katelyn Ohashi & Coach Val – Choices, Winning, & Giving Back to Your Community

Episode Date: July 9, 2019

Our guests on this episode are Katelyn Ohashi and former UCLA gymnastics coach, Val Kondos. Katelyn is a former UCLA gymnast, whose perfect score floor routine went viral earlier this year, and Coach Val is considered one of the most winningest college gymnastic coaches of all time. They talk with us about their successes, what’s more important than winning, and giving back to the community.  Katelyn Ohashi’s Viral 10.0 Floor Routine ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Did you learn something from tuning in today? Please pay it forward and write us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts. 📧If you have feedback for the show, please email [e-mail]  📙Get yourself a copy of Jennifer Cohen’s newest book from Habit Nest, Badass Body Goals Journal. ℹ️Habits & Hustle Website 📚Habit Nest Website 📱Follow Jennifer – Instagram – Facebook – Twitter – Jennifer’s Website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Kaitlyn Oshashi and Coach Valorikondo's field. Kaitlyn is a UCLA gymnast, poet, and all around inspiring young lady. While Coach Val is one of the most successful college-genastic coaches of all time. Now, you may not get them from the viral video of her captivating floor routine from UCLA where she received a perfect 10.

And in this episode, she shares with us the struggles and sacrifices of a young elite athlete, her journey with gymnastics, and even shares with us a couple of her own personal poems. While Miss Val, as she is known, shares her secrets for success, and her special sauce of basically making a winner. You definitely do not want to miss today's episode, so stick around. Anyway, thank you so much guys, because I am like I said, so happy to have you. Great, we're thrilled to be here.

Great, well I don't even know where to begin because as you guys know, just before we even started going live here or not live, but started taking, I like basically was so obsessed with both of you and our viral and you had that perfect 10. Now I have a basic question. So you were an elite gymnastics girl and then you went to college. Can you guys first explain to me the, I think a lot of people are confused. So you can actually go into the Olympics after college, correct? Yes. You can, yeah. But it's rare. So typically, after college, gymnasts peak when we're 16. So I have a college of like 22, which is really hard

to get back into the Olympic mode. Because I would say there's two separate paths almost, which is the lead route, which means you go through all the levels, and then when you surpass that, you want to go to the Olympics and on the national team, do international assignments, you go elite. And then if you want to do more so the college route, you go J.O.'s, which is junior athletes. Yeah, through level 10, and then you kind of go to college and it's really really different mindset and

but with that being said you can go from the Olympics to college as well as you don't take money and Go pro. So you have six all with the six all American titles You won the 2008 NC double a champion 2018 at floor and on the 2008 NCAA champion at Flore and also at a team. And basically, I'm a pattern and also of had to have to get re-introduced and find your happiness again with it. So what kind of was your story with that? So I started in the last two or three. My mom was a gymist growing up and kind of put me in and I fell in love with that as soon as I touched

any other equipment. And as I grew up, I showed a lot of potential. So when I was nine there were no elite programs in Washington state so we moved to Missouri just me and my mom and one of my brothers, well my dad and my two other brothers stay back and from there I kind of I kept going on this path and by the time I was 12 I was on the national team and I moved again to Texas and was training with Buller and Wicken, who's Nastia Wicken's father.

And anyways, throughout my process I remember just feeling like I was doing it for everyone around me, which came to my mind and I was a nine year old. I felt like I split up my whole entire family. And then I'm going through all the motions and knowing I really asked me what my goals were and when they did, it was kind of like I felt like I had to say the Olympics because that's what everyone expected of me. And so, yeah, I became super unhappy and by the time I was 16, my back, my my vertebrae was sticking out for my spine. I could feel it and I could barely touch it without crying.

And my shoulders have been in pain for probably two years. My last competition was 2013 American Cup. It was my first and last senior debut, my late competition. And I remember coming home when I was just crying. And my mom was like, aren't you happy? Like you just won? And I was like, I can't even move. And so finally I went to the doctor and I was told I'm not ever doing gymnastics again, which was one of the most

world-leading things I ever heard because I felt like I didn't have to be judged for wearing a Leo not being the right size and being criticized subjectively from what the judges saw. And all these things went into play. And I was like, I'm not going to be a little bit more wearing a Leo not being the right size and being criticized subjectively from what the judges saw and all these things went into play. And so, I guess it took me a whole year to finally miss this sport again and I decided that for all the heartwork that I put in, up until it's not my time to get something for it and my coach persuaded me to look into college master's and that's when I kind of decided to call Miss Val and UCLA and that's how I ended up following the book again. Wow so yeah I write a bunch of that stuff so

before we get into Miss Val and the whole UCLA experience what is kind of a regiment like can you kind of walk me through like a day in a life of someone who is that young, who is at that high level of what actually happens? So you have to decide what you want, like as soon as you get into the lead because I gave up school basically to duneastics. Is that what people do? I do actually give up.

Well, I agree. At the time I were 12. I was 12. And I was going to school. I was missing the first half of school. No, like the last half of school. Before I went to leave. And then when I moved to Texas, we did two a day.

So it was eight to 12 practice. And then we had a little break from 12 to three. And then practice again three to six. So 12 years old, yeah. 36 hours a week. Wow. That wasn't, does it true? Maybe this is just one of those like urban,

or urban legends that like, or what wives tell. That at that age when you're counting and you're going to that level, it can set your growth. Is that true? I don't believe it stuns your growth, but all of the research that's been done on gymnasts, they have their lower vertebrae are rather smushed. Right. They're like deaths because of all the pounding at such a young age.

Do they put you on a diet, right? You're not that age? How would they, how would they, that you know, it's pretty well known that it's so hard course, but in a gymnastic world like that, and you can talk about how brutal it is on someone's soul, emotionally, spiritually, physically, like what do they do? Do they watch every calorie? Are they watching, or what would they do? Are they physically, emotionally, abusing your spirit? Or what happens. Well, I would say that it's not some, I mean, we go home and we don't have to eat with our coaches,

but it's kind of like they'll look at you in the morning and be like, you'll figure, go run 45 minutes, I'm trying to know before you can start anything. The things like that, and I'd love to give just a yeah That qualify or whatever it is What she went through how many years ago is it how it would turn to so 10 years ago. Yeah Ever is in the last five six years things really happened And the last two three years things have been changing So I think that a lot of what she experienced was the old school, right?

Because you were style of coaching. And even her coach, Valery, has come forward since then and said, I was different coach than I am now. I've learned a lot, hopefully we all evolve, hopefully we all keep learning. But what she's describing is absolutely true, but it came from the Eastern European style of coaching, which is how they were coached. Right, it's all from different generations, and they just take what they've learned, and they

use it. And they were successful. And they were successful at it, right. But I still think you hear a lot of it, like you hear a little bits and pieces that it's brutal, it's this. But I wanted to get into the actual detail of what happens. Like from you wake up in the morning, you go from eight to 12, while you're doing it, are they hammering you? Like in terms of every little nuance of what's happening, right?

Then you go through your little break and come back and do it again. I mean, besides the rigorous training, what is the emotional impact? Are they telling you things that you're doing? Are they like just picking on you to replace the review of parts and then to build you back up again? Like, what is that process? I would say how she described it was it was kind of like you wanted to do it out of fear and it wasn't someone trying to build you up and encourage you to do all these things because we wanted to it was like do this or this will happen so we would we were scared of getting conditioning as like some of our repercussions for falling

or things like that and would say I just talked to a coach this weekend. She was like, her girls asked her why she's way done. She was like, I don't know. I have no idea. I never looked at the chart. She never did anything with the numbers. Really? Yeah.

Interesting. I just saw everyone around me doing that. And that's what I thought was the standard to be a coach. And so just things like that, I feel like everyone thought that you had to coach a certain way and that was the only way to success was by terrifying your gymnast into doing the right things. And so I know coming in, I would get anxiety, my hands are already sweaty, like, like, drifts when people even started practice, because I would be terrified of both the day-held. And it's unbelievable.

Like, that's what I kept, and what I was so surprising to me is that more people haven't been like you, who kind of was like, I don't wanna do this anymore, you know, bye. Because you have parents and coaches, but parents that say, uh-uh, we've put this much time and this much money, right, you separated the family, you're not putting now.

Right. There's such pressure, right, to keep continuing even if you're unhappy about it. And that's why you see years later, all those like torment and people's course in their lives, right, because they were like not living true to what they wanted. So I guess, enter you, Miss Val. I love a people calling Miss Val. It's because of the dance, because it means dancing, they call it,

you people say, miss, so and so, right? Right. So I love that. So you were a dancer, you were a ballet dancer. We're not even close to being a gymnast. Oh, gosh, no. I got a cartwheel two years ago, my 58th birthday. Oh, you did, I thought, you did a pull up.

You could barely do a pull up. No, I can't. Yeah, you did FI, you did a pull up. You could barely do a pull up. No, I can't. Yeah, you could barely do a pull up. You tried, you tried to do a pull up. I am getting there. I may need your help to get that. I've never done a pull up in my life. OK, I'll have some, in my gym, I have some assisted bags

we can work on later on. You should have that. You're welcome. No, I've never done gymnastics. And so what do you think, what do you think that one trade of yours is that you are able to transition from being a ballerina to being like this world-renowned gymnastics coach? I think that I understood the discipline from classic and ballet, but that translated

well to, like you said, of Caitlin, every moment she was in a gym for eight hours a day was regimen in. It was, she was told what to do, how to do it, and scrutinize, you know, under a microscope, the entire time. And that's quite often the value of it. It's so hard that every little nuance has to be. How you point your, how you point the foot is taught with scrutinized.

So I understood the discipline of what went behind being a great gymnast, but I think the biggest difference in how I coach and how traditionally, Janessa's coach's coach is, I did it. My reward was being on stage and being so excited and preparing well enough that I was calm, that I was excited to be on stage. And the performance, it was my reward. It wasn't getting judged by another human being and getting a score. Right. You say that in a book and I thought I was

it so true, right? Because as a dancer, as long as you can perform beautifully and like feel good and you're doing your steps and you're graceful, you're good. Every time that a gymnast goes out, there is a judge scrutinizing them with a card, eight, seven, nine, ten. It's a whole different ballgame. Now, when we when we have spoken together, quite a few times, it's really interesting because we'll start off, and I will talk about how I decided to coach, what became my wife in coaching?

Because I'm gonna not care about winning at all costs. So what's the why? And I realize in athletics, as you have realized with your businesses and personal training and all that, that I got to develop champions in life through sport. Because what you learn through sport and the discipline of athletics is different than anything you learn in your classroom. I am aware of that. 100%. It's the same, it's the same traits, discipline, goals setting, like pushing past, yeah, resilience, pushing past barriers, I was at 100% it's the same it's the same traits discipline cool setting like

you know, yeah, resilience pushing past barriers like 100% but you think also it remains you so unique and why you are who you are was because I saw that you said this to you put the human before the athlete all the time and so my why well how I've coached, to last, probably 25 years, of my 29-year coach and career, is I absolutely know my why. Every day, every decision I make, every choice I make, is to help develop her into the biggest champion she can be in life that will then translate

to the competition floor. And when we talk about this, and then she talks about her why in growing up in the world of athletics, the world of sport and gymnastics was night and day compared to my wife. And her wife was your wife. I was to win. It was expected of me. I was supposed to compete the perfect skills, the hardest skills and do them super well. Not still wasn't enough a lot of the time.

So even when I went American Cup, I lost competition. It didn't feel like it was enough because it wasn't the best me and I kind of felt better and there were people. I mean, I didn't. I didn't. But still people out there now are better than me. Who? I want to say this, because you said, I read this thing you said, that even when you didn't even care, you're still winning. So that brings me to a point like, how much of all of this is just sheer undeniable talent, right?

Versus work ethic and discipline and practice. Because there's always this like, you know, this conversation, like if you just work really hard and if you're super disciplined and you can like get to your level. But some people just have innate talent there. And it's a like who, what have you answered that question? When you just that much better than everybody else. She is one of those talented athletes. Oh well I've ever, like she's ever done this for it. She is one of those talented athletes. Oh well, I've never, like, ever done this for it. She is ridiculously talented.

And when you see the floor team, it's a great feature to talk about that. Not just that one. I've seen multiples of them, like multiple former teams. I did just watch the one that was a 10. I watched the 9.5, you know, also, you're just ridiculous. But when you see her go, oh, you boy, you boy, you boy, you. And twist and flip and twist and land and going and all that. There are a lot of them.

They're the best in the world right now that they can't get that in their minds. She is, I think Caitlin is ridiculously physically talented. But she's also mentally tough. She's got the heart of a champion, she's got the mind of a champion, and I think what made you so great in the elite world was that she was just tenacious. It's like she was gonna figure out how to do it, A, so that she didn't have the repercussions, retaliation, getting trouble, whatever, and she was just gonna like dig in and like say, fine, I'll do it.

And she's so mentally tough. It's all about mental toughness. She could do it. There are a lot of athletes that simply can't tell, physically tell them that they're mentally. She's one of the strongest, mentally, strongest athletes I've ever, I've ever been a sport. And then that's where I was gonna say, well, this is what, I mean, I'm all, that's where I preach always, the most important thing to do is to get to the most important thing to do to get to the most important thing to do

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to get to the most important thing to do to get to the most important thing to do to get to that level, you have to have both. So, such a high level of both, I guess, in my point. Right? And so, what happens now? Like, you finish college, obviously, and now you're technically retired, right? So, what do you do now with it? retired, right? So what do you do now with it? So I've been traveling a lot actually I just got back last night. I was gone for

like 11 days. I was kind of everywhere. I've been doing a lot of speaking engagements and then in between I'll go work summer camps with little kids and like be a little VIP and help them out get where they want to go in gymnastics and I guess that's what I'm doing for the next couple months and when the spring falls around. I'm gonna hopefully finish up this poetry book that I've been working on. Right you said you were into poetry and we're gonna get to the poetry guy right now. She's doing her first professional gig gymnastics. What is it? So you have to keep your mind I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, There's a page to it. Yes, okay. But there's the first ever in an oboe a war-up game. I bet her.

I saw that, okay. You're doing that too. Oh, well, I'm coming. I'm coming. You're commenting. I'm getting a little bit more. Yeah, I'm talking to you. Yeah, I'm doing my part.

I mean, you're involved. I'm going to get judged. Oh, I'm going to get judged. Let's do a summer salt and pollen today, like. But it's really, really cool. It's six different sports over six days. ESPN is covering it. 75 different countries are picking it up.

And there's a gymnastics day. She's one of the gymnasts that will be coming in and competing on Florida V. And what it means is she finally gets to get paid to show off her beautiful skills. But why, let's go back to the Olympics. That's why I was trying to. So technically, are you able or's go back to the Olympics. That's why I was trying not to. So technically, are you able or allowed

to go to the Olympics after college? Yeah, right. Okay, but you just have no, you just don't want to, correct? Right, well, so it's like, there's a lot of different factors I go into it. I think the level is so, so much different. My body is still broken.

Like I haven't got got they want to do surgery on my back and things like that. And I just I never got it done because if my body can hold out for college gymnastics and I would have to do surgery. I mean I got shoulder surgery and my shoulder still bothers me so much. So in plus, think about it. Four girls, every four years goes. I haven't done an international competition since I was 15. And you have to be in the scene for a while to show that you are capable, reliable, and all these different things that go into it. And my body just would not be able to handle 36 hours of training.

Plus the skills level is way higher than what I'm doing right now. I've been training for the past four years. Right because I saw that also in your book that there's a difference between when doing college gymnastics versus the Olympics. The college you can do by four fun, playful, happy, and with the Olympics and that's probably what we were saying earlier it's much more technical. Well the skill level is night and day. Right. So tell us the difference. She's and she were to go if she were to start training for the Olympics she would probably have to add six more skills to her being a team. Not it still can only be a minute and a half long. So you've just got to take out a lot of the fun stuff and a lot of dance and you've just got to take out a lot of the fun stuff

and a lot of the dance and just add up these hard skills. On floor, as wonderful as floor routine is, she would have to upgrade substantially and learn new skills. And so it's not, honestly, she can't learn physically and mentally could do it. Her body could not handle, as she said, the 36 hours of training.

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gymnastics coach, how did you learn all of this? Because this is like a, this is no joke. Like you're not like being a coach for my preschool gymnasium, my kids, my four year old gymnasium, this is massive. Did you have a, what was a learning curve? No, there you know. I'm still in the preliminary stages of the learning curve. I hire very good people to help me. I like my assistant coaches, one of them was a moment being the only national champion. I surround myself with a really great, technically sound people. So that I know what I'm good at, why would I teach her a skill in gymnastics when they can teach it so much better than I can?

Absolutely. Stop laughing and I'm not laughing at you. It's so true. I will never forget my freshman year. She asked me something about my leaves, and I looked at her, and I was just like, I was angry. You don't know what you're talking about. I love it.

So at least you know, at least the value know you're good at and what you're not. And then you delegate to people to things that you're not as good at. That would make you a good leader. I believe it does. What are other things that. That makes you a good leader. I believe it does right? What's where other things that you think make you a good leader and made you who you are? A the fact that I need nothing about gymnastics

So I had to ask a hundred thousand questions a day and that's still how I coach you know she's on balance being and She either does a skill well or doesn't. I go, what were you thinking? What were you feeling? What were you telling yourself before you went? Are yours? Is your mind in the game? I don't assume to know. And I think so many coaches coach from your egos. Yes. That they have to be right and they have to have all the answers. And that's when they that's where they get hooked up. So I think that was one of the greatest gifts that I had was that I I mean, was one of the greatest gifts that I had

was that I, I mean, nothing, I couldn't pretend like I knew anything. So I had to ask a lot of questions. And then you said that there's four different character traits, four different coach types, right? Can you go through that? Yeah, that's a whole other podcast. I know, it's been so much here.

I would have to do part one, part two, part three. It's like a mini-series of podcast here. I just identified four different styles of coaches. And one of them is the ecotist, where the coach that just has to be right at all times. And they think that they're not a good coach if they don't have that posture of I'm the ultimate. I think the majority, I think every single successful coach is a great

strategist. Right. You have to be a great strategist, but there are coaches that own our only strategist. And I feel that Mark Heroli, who was the last leader of the US team, she was a brilliant strategist. She knew how to train the skills. She knew how to structure the routines, she knew how to structure the routines so that they would be well received internationally. She knew what judges were looking for, she knew how to prepare them even though it's, I feel she stripped the joy out of learning process which she didn't have to do. She still knew how to make them mentally, tough she was a pure strategist and she was very successful at that.

But she was not successful at taking these young girls and fortifying them from empowering them and from the inside out to be the best all around human beings they could be. She only focused on the gymnastics. Right. And you focused on the gymnastics. Right. And you focused on the human being as itself. So, but there was one strategy that I read,

and I think you said you also took part in this. I don't remember the color. Basically, what you do in practice is just as important in what you do with your compete. So you take the entire, you look at the entire picture because you want, how you do one thing is what you do with your coupique. So you take the entire, you look at the entire picture because you want, how you do one thing is how you do everything. Right. Is that a job? Because I believe in that. I say that all the time now you do one thing is how you do everything. So when I read that in your book, it like resonated with me. And a lot of the stuff that you did

seriously was like on point with so much about my believe in, and this podcast. So you did that as well, like, explain that. And what was, how did, like, when I say, how did you coach? I want to know, like, tactically, what you did daily, that was so different. If you ask, Ke- Oh, she, what's the one thing that I want you all to learn

before you, if there's only one thing to get out of this program? Life is a series of choices, and the choices we make dictate the life we live. So basically everything starts with our mind. And going back to how everything you practice, is how you compete. And that's what I'm trying to do with girls right now. It's crazy how like, sloppily you see them

from practicing, and it's like, how do you expect to go into something where there's more adrenaline, there's nerves, and all these things that expect to do better. Right. And that's why I'm too. Technique is so crucial because it just emphasizes everything else when you go and have a little bit extra stuff. So how does that implement? How do you implement that in practice? In many examples. It starts off with walking in the gym.

It starts off with you're, are you walking in the gym. It starts off with you're are you walking in the gym with a great attitude and gratitude, honestly. And we start off most days in the gym, supposing our eyes take a few breaths and just thinking of something that we're grateful for that we have not heard. For them, it's a strong mind, a strong body. You didn't earn it. You're born that way. Let's get gratitude for that. You didn't earn it. You were born that way. Let's get gratitude for that. And let's get gratitude for a second thing that I firmly, firmly want to implement into our daily training

is we live in a country that allows us as a woman to do sports. And we can't ever take that for granted, because there are a lot of young girls around the car that can't. So when you start off your training with that appreciation and gratitude, every little choice you make, as Kiva said,

then is magnified and is given importance to. So how she warms up, how they do their warma, which are, I mean, they do a full 45 minutes of warma in conditioning before they go to the events and start training. So if you start your day with that kind of intention, then every sit-up you do is you're getting more intention, right? Absolutely. Every with this 100%. Right. And so because I would say, like it's looked like the college regimen and you're you guys are competing every weekend, right? You've been like so much more competitions.

That's a big deal. I think that's something that's... Yeah, I think it's a huge deal. In a week, they... Very little. They're competing like some on vials with compete maybe three or four times in a year. Right, and you must be every weekend.

15 times in four months, which is great. But that's, so really, and again, in your year, right? And you must be every weekend. 15 times in four months, which is great. But that's, so really, and again, in your book, it says, like, who said it? Someone on your team, wasn't you, but there was someone else on the team. That's what the colleague, the way the college gymnastics that's what made her mentally top, who said that? On a coalesce.

Right, college is when you get mentally top, you get mentally buffed. Right, mentally buff. And so that to me is extraordinary. So you guys are only competing in the elites four times a year, and then you go to the collegiate, like sometimes you could, wouldn't be the opposite,

like you couldn't hack it in college because it's so much more easy, I guess, we'd call it in the elite in terms of the constant competitions. Or is it the same, is it the same? Do you know what I mean? Like, you're not competing as often, so do you feel like mentally a little bit easier? No.

Oh, and elite? Do you need an elite? Because you're scared, but you're trading schedule is hard for like, it's well-balanced. I want to someone on the team asked me how I was so mentally tough, and I was like, my practices were just as rigorous and nerve-wracking as competition is now. And they also split up in a lead. It's like you have to competition in the summer and then at least one in the winter. So you have to be ready year round and then like at least one in the winter so you have to be Ready year-round so you're doing the teams. You're still doing the same But we have to practice it as much. You're not out there competing. Yeah, whereas in college

You are practicing and you're also competing is that all the time you just exert a lot of energy in college on the weekends And then it's like maintaining a lot of energy in college on the weekends. And then it's like maintaining the weekdays and then so you can go out and be ready for them. I've had a lead athlete come in the program and they've been halfway through like February, our season starts in January, so February, so they go, oh my gosh, miss out. I am wiped out. I never realized how hard it was going to be, mentally and emotionally, to have to get up. We can get to weekend after weekend after weekend. And coming from the theater world, dance world, dance world, I think about Broadway stars. I know.

Right? And they've got to figure out how to make that performance fresh. Eight performances a week. And that is what they've, when they experienced which I love about college. They've done all the training before they get to us. Yes, they still learn skills those that want to in college and should, but it's really a mental game that they're dealing with. It's all mental, yeah. Do you have time and college then to date

and like go out with friends? Oh my gosh. I think I have to do three podcasts on the Men in Her Life. I can, I guess. Well, I mean, you're like a little superstar. I would have imagined, but you actually have physical time to see these manners. You've got all you guys do is text and you're on Instagram. You're 22 years old. I know, but to get to all your lists of things that they're not allowed to do,

which I think is very interesting. But do you have time? Are you going on dates? Do you have a boyfriend? Well, you could ask her, I gave out my number to everyone my freshman year. Everyone? Everyone on campus. I think, by the first week, 500 people had Caitlin on last year. What? Just because you're that friendly, you're a girl. Yeah, I guess so. And I can never do the whole thing where it's like, give them a fake number or something like that. Or like, I would always go on a couple of things like, you can't have it. So you just gave it to everybody.

Yeah, so you're like, hey, you can't have this. Like, that's what you got trouble for. You cannot give your number to people. Why not? I'm hilarious. I was like, that's what she got from her. You cannot give your number to people. Why not? That's hilarious. It's enough to still, so I made a lot of people through Instagram, it's really, really amazing people.

And she's like, well, did he get in his car? I'm like, of course not, Ms. Val. He got in mind. No. She's here. Oh my God, that's hilarious. So I guess you do have time then. Yeah you do have time. I guess you make time. Right it's everything you have to prioritize. Priority is priorities. Right. You're gymnastics and we have to be like this.

And then guys. And then of course, and then guys. And then right in the hours. Now what? College you can only train for hours a day. Well that was my question. So what is the training right here? Is it for only train for our day. Well, that was my question. So what is the training regimen there? Is it for only four hours a day? You can't own out sports can only train. And then you're free to do whatever you want.

And you go class. Besides the class. You said, you forgot about that small part. Oh my gosh, you were not helping. Yes, sorry. I know. Well, I would think that the guys should be like the guys are the number one or two. I mean you are 22 That's the problem

Sorry freshman. Well, there you go I mean that's what I'm saying about the big you know the theme always if people say is when you're an athlete at that level in College you you don't have a you don't get a life like you don't get to be a kid You don't you're not able to like enjoy Whatever the other extracurricular you're not able to enjoy whatever the other extracurricular activities are. I was saying college growing up because- But in high school you probably didn't. High school, no.

It's up so until I got injured, I didn't have a boyfriend or anything like that. And then in college you could do the whole thing, but now it's like I have less time now than I did in college. So I literally do not have time for a voice. Really? So you have no voice in right now. No, no, no. Wow, so I'm like, I've been mad about all of like rate of half minutes.

Oh, it's hilarious. So what happened your freshman year, Kate, when you came in and I would ask you to do things, I would tell her that every time she asked me to do something, I would do that exact opposite. Really? Yeah, because, okay, so, fact you're so honest with me. I do. I like to, I like the bummer in general. I feel like she didn't want to be gr- S on also, you say you don't want to be great anymore. Like you just say you have like

you're very honest with who you are and I think that's super refreshing and life, you know. Thank you., you're watching. No continue. My mom always tells me she's in 3 2 eyes. Sometimes, yeah, I could tell you what they want to hear. Well, I'm not good at that. And I admit, no, I'm not. And you're not quiet like you. No, no, I'm not.

I'm giving you my all the trouble. And now, I don't think you'd, I think that you're pretty much on our account. You don't seem like the type to hold back. You're pretty, you're pretty full of attention. Why would you not be on us or someone? Well, you're preaching to the converted. I agree with you. I'm not just respectful of that when you're not honest with them. Well, I think that when sometimes people take it, I know when you're blind,

people don't like honesty or bluntness. They like to have things kind of sugarcoded for them. It's more palatable for them. Again, in your book you said you like to be blunt but with respect. Is that how you say it? Yes. She says you can say anything as long as you say it honestly and respectfully. But sometimes it's difficult to be respectful. So I tell you how many times over the last four years, Kate Lama, she has come to me and she goes, okay, so you always say, I can say anything I watch who's on a sassana, it's respectful, and then she just like, you know what,

and it makes that sense. I mean, I'm glad, keep your cool, keep your cool. Keep your cool. I did tell her, she can say anything she wants as long as the sassana is respectful. And then I respond. And as when she said, I just don't want to be great again. It's like, I know know and then look what happened

That should great anyway though. That's the irony of the song. The pressure here she was good. Wow. Thank you. Wow. That's the first time I went to say good. Good? Yeah.

Why would we say good? It's she would say you're responsible. Yeah. Really? Okay, how do you compare the rest to team? Never hard you guys all get along. Yes. Of course you're gonna say that.

There's no in-fight, there's no con. You can let them all continue. And we're 20 girls, 10 or, of course. There's like little petty things every once in a while, but I would say our team is honestly very, very close and tight and we love each other. A lot. A lot of A lot.

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Well, they are. So you're my friend. The all our coaches and great-natured heads that at the end of the day, as much as we want to be on the lineup, it's for the team. And we'll do whatever it takes to be a part and a good teaming. So everyone was happy for you,

when you got that. Well, I'm glad you brought that. Thank you. Well, I'd be honest. No, I am. But the reason why they were all happy for her and the reason why you saw it in the background doing her team with her and all that is because the more celebrity Caitlin got, the more humble

and appreciative she became. And so she never showed up late. She never did any of that where she's the celebrity that's got, I mean her plate was so much more filled than all of theirs were through the whole season, but she never used that or said, oh my gosh, I'm so tired. She, she, it's like coming to the gym everyone was her safe space that she could just be Caitlin and not have to be-

And the other girl, and it goes worried jealous. I believe that they were to a point, but you couldn't act, they couldn't act on it because she was so much. She was such a great team. She was gracious. She was gracious. Right. So because you were gracious, they weren't outwardly upset with you. And she was extremely appreciative of it all. So what happened? So basically you get this thing happen. What happened afterwards? Did every media outlet come, like, basically banging down your door? What happened? Yeah, so I just remember my phone blowing up the next day,

and then my parents actually were in town. My mom was going to stay up on the month of January. My dad was leaving that Monday, and so she's driving to the air force she said, no, I don't know what's happening, but this is happening your stay So she turns around he ends up staying the next day We got flown out to New York to be on Good Morning America, right? I saw that have never been to New York so that was super cute So we're amazing for them. It was my mom's birthday like the fall and weeks You're on with her though. Yeah, so they flew you guys up to be Val and you and your parents.

Yeah. And so we did that whole thing and then that weekend I had a competition. So it's like I was in New York one day and then Stanford the next time I remember girls were like, wait, weren't you just like? So it was a lot and I had to coordinate a lot of things with school and make sure that I wasn't missing anything

Luckily a lot of my classes were during practice anyways, so I I have all night off So companies should call you for big endorsement deals. I thought like night would be like being in your door So MCO delay is So MCWLA is MCWLA, you can't have any endorsements or take any money or be sponsored by anyone. So you have to kind of hold everyone off. Like I was getting a couple of emails here and there, but I would be like, I can't do anything like, can I hold a meet in three months? Really?

Yeah, like April 21st. Okay, last comment, just 20th? Let's go. April 21st. Okay, last commentations of 20th? Let's go. April 21st. Wow. So then who do you have now is anyone's boss where you're now that you're officially retired? I mean, I just did a my fat fit fun post this morning.

Okay. So I got a box. Okay. And let's see. I mean, I'm trying to meet with some athletic wear companies. There are a few things in the works coming out shortly that she can't speak about. Okay. It's secret right now. Oh, okay. Well, I guess we have to come back and talk to you about that afterwards.

But just on Instagram, I'm not like with what almost a million followers, you would think you'd have a lot of like partnerships just on Instagram, although in coming because of who you are, right? Is that how you're allowed to do that now? I am. Okay, good. Yeah, so I don't know, working on everything's kind of a process. It's cool about her.

She doesn't jump, but she's not intrigued by the celebrity of it. She is intrigued by, as you have been, I mean, I've stopped you as well. Okay, good. I stopped you too. Okay, great. Um, is she's intrigued. She's only interested in the things that really speak to her. Right.

That's interesting for her versus being a celebrity. She's having a career around. Well, that's what's interesting. For someone so young, you would think that, again, it's because of the mental mindset, because you were training in maybe conditions so young, mentally, that I think maybe that's why. Because I think a lot of time when you're that young people do you're not you don't have your head on right you jump in everything right and you get really just overwhelmed and like excited about every

little potential thing. I would say that throughout my college career is kind of where I started building my platform. So my sophomore year college, I wanted to work on sharing like a positive, positive message and I started my blog and really got into poetry. And so I had already set up my platform and how I wanted it to be. And as was followed, say the universe opened its doors for me with the viral video,

which I'm so thankful it happened my senior year when I feel like I'd kind of stepped into myself more than any other year before that. And so I was really solidified with who I am and who I want to be and continue growing in that direction. So I don't want to just take things because I have I got this much money. It's more so about what speaks to my platform and what direction do I want to continue going in. What's sad, Caitlin? See why you're up in a poetry yard? Well, tell us. Now we're talking about the poetry.

So now is that something taking me much seriously, you're writing it daily. What are you doing with the poetry? So I did an independent study last year. And so I got one of two of my professors that I really really enjoyed having and I had them. Do you have a student of class away? Do you mind me?

No, not at all. I shank her. I get inspired easily but I don't like school. So you know that. She's a very good student at my most of us most of us at the classes that she really liked. Right. And she did what she had to do to get through the classes she didn't. Yeah.

So it's like, okay, I love poetry, so why not use it to my benefit and create my own course? Oh. Yeah, so I made my own course. And I did, I wanted to finish a poetry book by the end of it. So it's all activism. I think I got like 55 homes in there. And towards the end of the course, I decided that I wanted to the end of it. So it's all activism. I think I got like 55 poems in there and towards the end of the course I decided that I wanted to

add photography into it. So I wanted to turn it into sort of a copy-table book that shows deep messages within the images and then on top of that kind of explains the images with the words. So you know you know moms that even the moms that say oh Johnny come in here and play something on the piano. So why don't you share a little mic? Oh, so this is the Johnny moment right now. They're playing it long? Yeah, they're going to pet your eyes.

Okay. No, it's so weird because I don't, I I should I see it all the time. Yeah, yeah So do what you write every day is that what you do? It's no I don't write every day and during a period I was writing every day, but It's kind of like if I get inspired I'll be sitting all the way to be during Sitting there during work and some people pop in my head and then I'll write it down real quick and then go home. It's only when I'm feeling really, really inspired or passionate about it to start talking.

Because I can't force myself to write things, but that's not when it's super genuine and sincere. I'll force myself to free right something. Not poetry. Gotcha. Okay, whatever it does. Yeah. So she's looking for the Wi-Fi. Uh oh. Okay, we'll see if this is loading.

Well, while that's loading, why don't we talk about what, is there any kind of habits, daily habits that you do every day still? Even though you're not practicing for hours, nowadays, or 12 hours that you're used to. I feel like I never really had that when we have it besides the things I was forced to do. Like I don't like routine, so, right now, I'm like, you don't like routine,, but your whole life has been one big routine. Workwise, personally, and professionally. You do routines for a living, I suppose, and your life is very routine. That's been a good truth. Yeah, and I think that's why I don't like the team. I guess so. So you don't want to do anything for team work. So in college too, anything that I had control over,

and I could do whatever I feel like I would try to integrate new things, and try to get inspired by things outside. I would go to homeless shelters and get involved with the kids. Project heal. And then I started doing a project with our student for student, through a shelter, which is the shelter within the school.

So I just like try to fill my time with different things every day. We, she got involved with through a shelter which are the homeless students. And I was homeless students. You know what? I'm so glad you said that because I felt so badly that I'd been at UCLA for 35 years.

I didn't know we had homeless students. How has that part of the homeless students in every campus? So they get into the school and they've nowhere to live and they have nowhere to live. And so they go to churches that have shelters. And they're very, you don't know they're there because they are embarrassed about their situation.

And so they'll, they may sleep in the libraries or just, they may hands me it. And I'm just so impressed with their affordative and their stickiness that getting an education is that important to them. So how do they get in on scholarship? Or what is the most likely partially scholarship and then they're working like three jobs to take the rest and then I mean LA network that is.

I know it's crazy. Not major. So trying to add for some place to live like you can afford maybe food and other things But this is what Caitlin this is what Caitlin celebrity has brought that is so great Okay, because of Caitlin's platform and celebrity and because she aligned herself with her and shelter They got their biggest donation if you want to go to the in the history of their organization. Really?

Yeah. What was that open donation do they get? It was a $10,000 donation from someone that happened to show up with the need. They'd never been to Massiffs Mead. And they saw that we were raising money that made for rural shelter. And then they saw Caitlin's video.

And they were like, well, everything about this is great. And I want to contribute. So I think it was an anonymous donation and it was 10 then. That's amazing so they might be you then you're able to use your platform for that now that really is using it for good. That's what she does though that's why I want to read one of her poems because it's no that's amazing. She's not about just me me me she's not about celebrity she's not about, just me, me, me. She's not about celebrity. She's not about the cup pretty I am, look at all that. She really is about helping humanity. Yeah, but let's hear your poem.

It's called Self-Hadred Depies. The taunting that ever ends when you go in for a bite, that one thing that tastes so good, but doesn't feel so right, so that one bite goes on taken. That food is to be forsaken. Feelings so weak, my bones are broken, but if I bite, I'll be mistaken. And in the morning, I'll awaken, hating myself all over again when I look in here. But today, that image has never been clear.

I've been consumed with a thought that bigger is synonymous to less than. That only those people with the perfect bodies have the right to stand. But today, here today I stand with a love that penetrates deeper than anyone in band, because I, my own size, in no words of judgmental stairs will make me compromise for the bittersweet satisfaction that lays between my eyes and my thighs. I finally got my cake and needed to for my old self-rise. And today, myself patriots haveriotic. That's really good. Hi, Parker. I'm a co-operator.

Oh, no, I'm Terry too. That's beautiful. That really is. Really good. I know. I thought about a podcast. That's really, really good. Okay, that's very beautiful.

You would cry with this one. Can I ever find you one? Yes. Sure. Her part. But yeah. OK, so I went to a play when I was in New York this past weekend, and it was called What the Constitution Wings To Me. And it's kind of how females do not play a part in Constitution at all.

And so, uh, disclaimer, also, um, in high school, I feel like I didn't have a lot of self worth. So I was attracted to men that looked all like my coaches, my male coaches, which were not always the most positive and more similar abusive side. Anyways, her first boyfriend was physically abusive. I will do me with you first boyfriend. Sixteen, so I dated for a year and a half into a lot of family college.

You read this? Fighting for life as I fight for you fight with both fists to hold on. Those days of love long gone and as I turn to walk away, your hands they grab me and pull me in. In my heart it breaks for giving you every sin. With each piece of me you take and I make excuses for you like I deserve to be hit. And remember that day that you spent on my face when all our remembers how my heart would race. Somehow managing to convince myself that this was love. The symbol of a dove becoming ironic because I can find my wings to fly. Way to down by the tears of I cry, wishing my love for you

would just die like returkums all his kids that took the breath of an abuse of S. Whose court case was just as perplexed as it is to me. For the deaths we still agree and I think about what used to hold me back. Being in love with the person you were when the abuse you black, the pact to myself to not give up hope on progress may even if it takes looking through my microscope, it excuse I may not afraid of you but terrified of me feeling and worthy as if that's all I would ever be.

And we see what it's like for some that try to leave, fighting for Brett, for fighting to breathe. Wow. That's so, I don't know what to do, I have you too. Oh my gosh, that's really beautifully written. Oh my gosh. Seriously. She's got a big platform, she's got a big voice, she's got,

it's so exciting to see a 22 year old that is really fighting for the people that can't fight for themselves. That's absolutely. You need to do something with this. You need to put a poetry book together. So that's what I intend to do. As soon as I get downtime, so I like all my poems that I want to put in one and it'll be like a lot of his own which ranges from little females and abusive relationships

to body shaming, bullying, mental health, racism and things like that. So I want to work on the photography behind us. Right. It's an amazing experience. Yeah. She is the most watched sports video in 2019, right? Which is why she's up for next week. Yay. Oh, you are for that. Also many things. You're amazing. Yeah.

And a team choice. Yeah. You're up for a team choice work? Yeah. Yeah, again. And a team choice. Wow. Yeah. So it was my point. Uh, there's no.

I mean, first of all, yes, everybody we need to vote a lot, vote, vote, vote. But the point was, as much joy as her video has brought the world that has seen it, she still has got the body shape on the session. Really? When there's 100 plus more, that's the thing. We're about in the video. How could you not hear so big negative? It's always, and that's so funny too. It's not even just body shaming.

Like I remember ESPN posted the video on Instagram. And a majority of them were like, oh, why is it she in the kitchen cooking? And I'm like, I'm such a feminist. I'm like, oh, you didn't, I'm like, really? That's crazy. And then like, I saw a lot of people like

talking about how my body was to form but like I get I mean I is that a bad or a good thing because like it allows me to do a lot of stuff I do and so absolutely yeah I can't even believe that people would attempt about someone who can do who can who is that who has that ability to do that physically and you still get who has that ability to do that physically and you still get shame for their body. I cannot, I can't imagine it. I know. I know. And why are they not, how much of the joy and the, I mean, the amazingness of that being are they overlooking? Well, it's because of that, is it right? It's not about you. It's not about that. I mean, you're, you're, you're, you're wise, but you're probably, you seem like you've been old-souls,

so I would imagine your, your wise beyond your years, you know that's not about you, they're doing that because of them. They're unhappy with themselves. I, I learned not a while back. She's like, everything. Oh yeah. What? Go ahead. I feel like that. Everything someone does isn't about you, it's about themselves and hurt people, hurt people. And then... I feel like that everything someone does isn't about you. It's about themselves and hurt people, hurt people. And that's 100% hurt people, hurt people. Can't take it personally.

It's like, but why is it so prevalent in this world, the bottom? That I'm what? I can say this generation. Well, this generation is, it's because of social media and you have such access. And like you're saying, you're an open person anyway with that with social media people are happy people feel like they have it it's their right to say whatever they want to say and do whatever they want and body shame and bully and do all these things it's like that's why but you put yourself on a platform like that and it becomes like magnified so much more right but you seem to have a good head

out of my shoulders it's true and it's still a really hard not to get hurt by those things. I think she wears all of this as a badge of honor because she realizes, look at me speaking for you, this is what I've noticed for you okay, she realizes that our imperfections are what make us beautiful and so even when she's she's gonna do a photo, they ask what she wants to wear. She has markings that she embruses all over the cell. That's not it. It's like a skin condition. Oh, it's not cupping. It's a skin condition. Yeah. What is it? It's called granulomahenulare. It's autoimmune disease. Basically, they're really just there. Like, it doesn't affect me in any way. She's under some, I've never seen her before.

It's just this coloration basically. But she's absolutely. But if she's given the choice, they say we're gonna wear, she wants to show us a talk about it. She will. This role model, you're a good role model. You really are. You should be on a reading box.

I swear, you should call it a contact readies. I'm telling you, or the equivalent in 2019 to readies. Some like vegan, organic cereal boxes, I'm kind. Seriously, because you really are the real deal. If you are, you are authentic, genuinely like a good role model. Like, for real. Right, no, she is.

And she doesn't, I mean, there's, doesn't cross your mind to make excuses for things. It's like, look who I am, and I'm beautiful, and I'm different than you, and that makes us all unique. And the fact that we are all unique is what makes us, those worlds so cool. And she lives that every moment of her day.

So about, because you've been around this for 29 years, how many people have been like Caitlin? Do you like, how many people are as special as this? Cause that's not, this is not my world. You see people like this similar daily. What? Yeah. Can't say such a crap.

Yeah. I just see you and things you can. Are you this close with everybody? I am this close with the student athletes that really want to get close with me. Because you think about it, you've got 20 athletes on the team. I know that some of them say, some of them is told of the people I've heard. I want to have relationships with this battle like Caitlin does. But relationships are two way straight, absolutely true.

So it's because she meets you halfway, basically. Yeah, and... So it's because she meets you halfway. Basically. Yeah. And, um, I have a time to have you seen someone. And I know you're in a podcast. You don't, you don't want to say anything that would be hurtful. I get that. But you're an honest lady. How many people that you see in the 29 years have been this level.

All, all around good human, tremendously talented. I mean, a lot on the team now. I don't like that. There are, I would say there are a lot better like this. There are more great human beings out there than not. I would say the differences Caitlin has chosen to take the courage to step forward in a massive platform, understanding that when you take a step forward courageously there's no guarantee of a result. And she has seen that on social media and she's not afraid.

She has, like you, she's very much like you. You've got the platform and you've got, you know what justice looks like in this world and you are not afraid to step out in any way, whether it's podcast on TV, all your interviews, TED Talk, whatever you're doing to make the world a better place. Some people just don't have the energy and the desire to want to do that. Or the interest for the interest. Or the plan simple, the interest to do it. She does. She does.

And so do you. And so do I. Right. Which let's get this roll it back here, because I've got so many things I know, it's like we're probably like five hours into this podcast. But, okay, so daily, can you please tell us what you required from the girls?

So like, for example, like not wearing like your no, misballez as a lot of rules. And we haven't even gone through that stuff. No, the most important thing is simply to have integrity in everything you do. And so even if you're going to go up to somebody and say, I'm really upset with you, what you said, the other night on social order, what you said to send. Having to have any, and having intention, like, know why you're doing what you're doing in life. And that really, I've always kind of lived like that,

but that understanding hit a whole new level four years ago when I was diagnosed with cancer. And I realized that You know, we all have an expiration date. We just don't know what ours is and I didn't want to waste one day of my life Did you keep you kept on working right when you when you were diagnosed? I was very blessed. I got targeted chemotherapy, which is oh, yeah, hopefully that is the future of all chemo It's it acts like a smart bomb and And it just goes through your, instead of going through your bottle of exploding, it doesn't explode

until it finds the cancer cells. So I, I didn't use my handwriting that said, I was fatigued. Most dangerous with them. One, one, okay, that's great. That's great, bless. But that, the rules that are in the book that are rather frivolous, there's a reason behind them and it's like no gun.

Okay, well, I don't have, like people go, why do you hate guns? It's like, I don't hate gun, I actually like gun. But I just want, I want to help them know that everything you're doing, like she said, everything you do in life is a choice. So if she's going to show up producing a review of you, gum, I at least want her to know she's chewing gum. Like make the choice with you want to earn money. Why could you think it looks ugly? It looks cheap. It's annoying. It's also like like not classy. Yeah, although is that also the reason why you don't like to have a risk-bent and their tie around your wrist? Well, I feel that ubiquitous hair tie on female wrist now is just part of the dress. Yeah.

That's why mine's in my pocket. I told you that already. Yes, you took it out. As she took her like, well, no. Well, no. Caitlin did not take it off. You took it off for her. Because does she want to go into an interview

with this beautiful outfit and a hair tie? On her wrist? Just no. And if you want the hair tie on your wrist, then wear it. Great. Then what are the other ones? Go through the list. No pants, no clothes, pants dragging on the floor because especially during finals week,

they show us. So what did they drive in? All sorts of... Oh! She wants to come on the pantsant and go to their bed. I saw that. Right. And then like their just carrying a little dirt.

And then they'll travel. You know, they have beautiful bodies. But when they're putting their luggage up on the airplane, I saw this happen a few times. And their tops come up. And their bellies are showing. And the ledge that is sitting in the aisle seat is just staring at them and like oh no no no no no we're not going to give people reason to think these lecture thoughts about you. So there's a reason behind it.

There's a reason and then I also read that every year you make the girls take a personality test. It's a personality assessment. Right. So, can we talk a little bit about that? Yeah, it's called the Indian Gram. And just like everything in life, I don't believe in putting people in a box. So the people that don't believe in personality assessments, the majority of them feel that it gives you an excuse for being the way you are.

And we make a point of saying, that's not it. So the Indian realm is based on a lot of ancient wisdom of different religions and philosophies and other commonalities. And it basically helps you figure out where you go to when you're not choosing your response. And where you go to, the fun part about it is where we go under stress. And that's where we really get raw and real and realize she and I are the same in your ground. And when we get out of the...

We're not number three. So I read to you, let me just prep for this. So the in your ground, there's like seven different, seven, nine for it. There's nine different types of personalities and you gotta go online and check it out. It's how it would, what's the, it's in-eogram and you can take a free,

you can take a free, you can take a free test online and it's super fascinating. It's different than my or Braves if you're into that. I'm really into all these personality tests, but I did see that a lot of the Olympians are number three, which is the achiever, achiever. Which one are you, Kate? Number two, which is the helper. The helper.

So you're the helper, which I'm the helper and you're the helper too. So when we get under stress, we go to being manipulative. Right, I saw that. I'm like, oh my God. Yeah. Do I get high five or two ladies? Okay. All right, yes, okay.

We get silent, we get passive presses. So, I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my, I thought most women would be about what now it's not. It's amazing how I was just like it's too a TV,

so much stuff that is written in there. It really is super interesting for people who are listening to that. I have to bring that up. So do people, I mean every year, so if you're on the team, you're on the team the whole time, right? So do people's numbers change, you see, the team, you're on the team the whole time, right? For the whole, so do people's numbers change? You see as you it's always the same. Okay, because we didn't take it, I feel like we should take it at the beginning in the end of our college. That would be a good idea. Because we just take it coming in and then every year the new class

takes it, but it would be interesting to see because I feel like my number changed, but I retook the test and my second number is a seven and so that is what came up primarily like the dominant. Did you know my second number is a seven? Well it is. Which one is a seven? It's a fuzziest. I think that was the number seven, too. Oh my god, what is the only thing that we're all getting along?

That's so true, probably why. That is so true. That's so true. That is so funny. But I realized when I took it, I feel like my mental state, like I realized that a lot of that changed was like I didn't value one of my relationships as much, which I feel like it was just because of like heart breaks and going through college to like realize different things, but like my two still has to be done. And because just how I answered and what in my space that I took it in is why I got seven or so. And at the time that we've given it,

so it's been nine years or 10 years we've given it, there were two student athletes that just really didn't resonate. I think Reth also looked as well. And they were both, they took it to English, they were both foreign. And so when they took it in their own language, they came up with a different number.

And that didn't work that way. Wow. Because they were interpreting the words of the questions differently. Differently. Let's try it. I can have that. I know.

We're going to rock. Is that there? How long has it been, by the way? One more hour. Oh, gosh. Well, I mean, is there anything that I should be asking that I forgot? I mean, I know we've took a bunch of tangents. I had literally like, I didn't even get to like half my stuff with you. So unfortunately, you are going to have to come back.

And Caitlin, you've got to be decided to come back. We'll sort of see. We just have to talk about the year. No, no, exactly. But you are a great mouthpiece, though. You answered perfectly. Yeah. You're very good.

You should be a media trainer in your next life. Okay. Yeah. I really think so. What are you going to do? Okay, this finished. Okay. That's my last question.

Now that you were case of valve, now you retired after 29 years, you are in the hall of fame for being one of the best of all time time basically, which is an amazing hobby. What now? What's your next thing? I'm doing a lot of speaking, a lot of international things, which is fun. I'm speaking about my book and how did it dance a choreographer become one of the winningest coaches. But I'm also speaking to and I'm very passionate about speaking about our youth and about how much stress and anxiety that they are under this day, and age more than there's more there's more reported depression than ever in the history of humankind. And I feel at that stress level that children are under

is on us adults, it's on parents and it's on coaches, and we have got to change the narrative. And also social media, again, yes. And that was another one of the rules I saw. No phones at dinner, right? Because people are just, let's talk to each other. It's also very rude when you're taking your phone. When you're supposed to be, I can't, that's when my biggest pet peeve, when you're trying to like talk to somebody and you're with somebody at dinner at lunch, and you're like on the phone the whole time. Or like one person on their phone, the other person on their phone.

Why do you bother going out with each other? Do you do that, Caitlin? Are you in 22? Yes. I try to be okay with my friends, but it's obvious, you know. Yeah. I'm just good when she needs to be.

Yeah. We have a checker phone at all now, except for the, you know, for the, I'm, except for the phone, so that's pretty good. Well, listen, ladies, I have to say it isn't been an amazing, whatever, how long it's been, and I really enjoyed you guys being on this podcast. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you for coming.

I really like it. I would continue, but I keep on getting like a very good, you know, good old one. They're going to play the music. I know. They're going to the music. I know, you know, they're gonna take that thing to the phone and start like, fucking us off, you know. Thank you so much. So where can we find you guys? Kate, would tell everyone where you are.

Kate went under Scorra Hashi on Instagram at Twitter and then my website is Kate went Dash, Oshi, Delfon. And then people just want your phone and we're gonna just give you a little bit. Yeah, I did. You. You're just really wild. Yeah, I'm wild.

I live at. Okay. And now how about you? OfficialMistVal.com. Basically you put that in your find somewhere. Somewhere, right? Well, thank you ladies. And the book is called Life is Short.

Don't wait to dance and it really is a great read. I highly recommend it. And that's it guys. I think we're done here. Thank you ladies and the book is called Life is Short. Don't wait to dance and it really is a great read I highly recommend it and that's it guys. I think we're done here. Thank you. It's a wrap. Thank you. It's a wrap. Thank you so much I hope you enjoyed this episode. I'm Heather Monahan, host of Creating Confidence, a part of the YAP Media Network, the number one business and self-improvement podcast network. Okay, so I want to tell you a little bit about my show. We are all about elevating your confidence to its highest level ever and taking your business right there with you.

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