Habits and Hustle - Episode 207: Candace Burch - Hormone Health Educator and Coach

Episode Date: January 17, 2023

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Facebook now we have a Facebook community. Here's to 2023 everyone. Let's make it the best one yet. Hi guys, it's Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits and Hustle, crush it. So this episode is all about hormones. And we have a hormone expert to talk about all of it. Her name is Candace Birch and she is a hormone health expert. And we discuss everything hormones. We cover lots. We

cover how it affects our sex drive, our weight loss, moods, stress levels, and even our relationships. We also discuss the science behind hormones and how to get a better understanding of how they affect our bodies and those even around us. A lot of times we bad-aid health issues and we don't get to the root of the cause when it could be something as simple as hormone testing, rebalancing the hormones. So I wanted to kind of have this conversation to kind of put some light shed some light on this and get some clarity. So enjoy the episode because if you have any kind of mood swings or stress or any type of imbalance, I think you're really good to enjoy what you learned from this episode. Today we have Candace Birch who is a Hormone Health Educ educator, right? Who, let's, before I, I don't want to miss speak. So,

can you give us a very brief background on who you are and how you became this hormone health educator? think who am I. Who are you? Who am I? Well, I am a mother of two little girls when they were little. I went into that, you know, the hot flashes and the night sweats and the mood swings that come with hormonal change as you age. And I had been a journalist, I have a master's in health education. So I had been living in England working on in publications, journalism, with deadlines all the time. So lots of stress. And I got to this place where I was just a screaming Mimi. I was, you know, I was just having a mood swing every 20 minutes and a hot flash in between and I always tell the story about my daughters, you know, looking at me with tears in their

eyes. Like, mean mommy, who are you? They just, and at a certain point I realized I need to get a handle on what's happening with my hormones because I was in that mid-40s range about that time. I came to parenthood late. I had my Ryan, my youngest when I was 41. So, you know, it was pretty much a collision of, you know, when I went into Menopause, my kids being teenagers and it was chaotic. then you know men my husband was also sort of entering what we call andropause the male menopause so we had we had

some stuff going on in the house and I just thought I've got to learn about this so I looked into I started reading books and I actually long story short became connected with Dr. David Zava who had started a saliva hormone testing lab, which has been one of the more common easy ways to test hormones non-invasively and to determine what your levels are and how they correlate with symptoms gives you a world of information. At the time, I didn't even know there was such a thing as a hormone imbalance. You know, the whole idea that you could have imbalances

that it's not just about menopause, and it's not just about women. It's about men and women. We share all the same hormones just in differing amounts. But, you know, I started learning all of this, and it just got to be something that I decided to specialize in. So that's where I am now. I worked for many years as the director of education something that I decided to specialize in. So that's where I am now.

I worked for many years as the director of education at this lab. We tested millions of people. The lab has tested 10 million people now. So I've seen lots of test results. I've talked to a lot of people. And now we have formed your hormone balance, which is a testing and consulting family business,

where we test people's hormone levels and then we talk to them and say, this is what this means and that's why you feel this way and that's why you've been feeling this way that maybe you got used to, but you should realize maybe isn't normal or helpful. So that's kind of my story. That's what I'm doing now in my,

I'm supposed to be retired, but I don't think I'm definitely not. Yeah, well, that's amazing. You're needing information and opening up this subject. It's gotten, there's a lot more awareness now than there was when I started 20 years ago. So yeah, well, I think there's a few things I wanted to touch on that you just said.

Number one, that you just said number one That you said something about male metapause, which I never knew was even a thing is called andropause you said Right never even heard of that. What is that? Yeah, well and so andro as in and Andrew is the Greek word for male. And Andrew Paws refers to the pause in male hormone production as men get older, just as women get old, you know, as we get older, our hormones start to decline or fluctuate and decline. And then there are, you know, the fluctuations can cause excesses, deficiencies,

declines, you know, it's not just one thing or the other, think of a seesaw, but men are not immune to changes in hormone levels, and there are many things in terms of habits and lifestyle that can influence how, you know, how rapidly somebody's hormones go AWOL, because certainly it's inevitable as we age that that will change. But as when we're younger and when we're in the shank of our 30s and into our 40s even, we should be able to be sort of maintained.

It's right around mid 40s that things start to shift with hormone levels. Aided and abetted by poor health habits, poor lifestyle habits. But until then, people, if they're following all the, you know, doing all the good healthy things and not getting too much stress going in their lives, they can pretty much maintain a good hormone level. But many people have symptoms they've gotten used to. They don't even realize that they're symptoms

of hormonal imbalance. Yeah, I want to talk about that. That's a great one. For women, it's more like roller coaster time. Our heart, when we start moving into hormone flexuations, we can have, as I was describing with me and my kids, the moods, I was scaring my family. If it was freezing outside, I was making everybody open the windows. It could be very much, it's more

dramatic with women. We kind of go up and down the sea saw, the roller coaster, we're having mood swings that are, you know, everybody's rushing for the exits. And, and with man, it's more of a, it's a bit more of a slow slide, more of a gradual feeling of running out of steam. So, and not having the energy that they would, you know, were used to having to work out or to work long hours or, you know, to party all night or whatever it is. It starts to noticeably change, tolerance for exercise, et cetera. But many men don't, they just think it's part and parcel of aging. And in fact, men don't, you talk about it, like women do.

We're talking about it all the time. But men need to talk about it more. They need more awareness. Well, that's what I want to talk to you about. Let's talk about the men's first second, because I think there is a lot of information, be it accurate or not on female hormones. Male hormone levels, or like you said, andropause, which is male metapause, I've never really heard the term so much.

I wanted to stay on this for a second. So you're saying a lot of it obviously has to do with habits, lifestyle, all that. At what age does this start to happen? Is it you said in the mid 40s or does it really depend on the... Give me the things that it depends upon. What habits and lifestyle... What are the symptoms that people would notice exactly?

Like be a little bit more precise. So people who are listening can be like, oh my God, that happens to me. And then I want to talk about the habits and things that can kind of change, what they can do to help it. Right. Well, in men, all of this,, the inevitable change and, you know, sort of transition into Andropa's for men is should begin, let's say, early 40s, mid 40s. But we see that happening earlier, depending on the level of stress, and I'm talking about

not necessarily good stress, where we're getting married, where we have great career success, we're traveling, whatever. I'm talking about an accumulation of stressors that are depleting our hormonal levels prematurely and getting, you know, interrupting the works, creating excesses and deficiencies. So that can happen in man around their mid-40s. And when I say Andropaz, Andro also is used in the term Androgens, which are the male, what we call the male hormones hormones testosterone and DHEA, that of course women have testosterone and DHEA as well.

We just have far less than men do. Because men don't ovulate, and estrogen and progesterone is not made by ovarian production in men, those two hormones testosterone and DHA are really crucial in males and the kinds of, but men can also become what we call estrogen dominant if testosterone levels fall too much. It's like all these hormones exist in this balance with each other. This interactive, they're interrelated, they interact, they rise and fall. If one hormone goes up, another one will go down correspondingly. And so for men, if their testosterone

is down, their estrogen may be up. If their stress hormones go up, their testosterone will go down. These things are always shifting. So men, you know. So men are kind of famous for not, as I was saying, not talking about this, not recognizing the symptoms, but basically it can be just running out of energy, having being more exhausted after exercise rather than rejuvenated, maybe getting injured more easily, not having the kind of tolerance for exercise that you had. You know, a guy who's been lifting weights can't lift the same number, the same weights. His muscles are now sore, muscle soreness, muscle weakness, lack of strength, lack of stamina. Is the, the Androgen hormones, the, what we call, you know, as I said, the male hormones, but women have them too, are really connected to their anabolic.

So they build bone density. They build muscle, lean muscle. We're dependent on those hormones for building and maintaining the structure. So when we hear testosterone, we think about sex drive, but it's also key to physical structure. Like I said, our strength, our stamina, and how well we process information, cognition. So men that start to feel sort of foggy brained, this is the same for women too, but feeling foggy brain, not being able to process information efficiently, not being able to concentrate or focus, you know, feeling distracted. These are all examples of stressors. And in older men, of course, as they get further into and repause, they

may have more serious kinds of symptoms, which they need to be aware of, like frequent urgency, frequent urination or decreased flow or lack of libido, lack of drive, lack of ambition, all of these things. They're subtle, but I think people know that they're happening, but they don't want it necessarily, especially men who are not that great at talking about these things with their friends. They just carry on. They just muddle through. But these are signs and symptoms of hormonal imbalance that may well be disrupting quality of life on a number of levels. So you're saying makes sense. Yeah, it makes sense. So you're saying if someone is not urinating, um, decrease it, the decrease of urination or flow, that can be a symptom of an

a hormone imbalance. Frequency and decreased flow is a common sign of prostate cancer and process or prostate enlargement, the nine prostate enlargement. And a lot of that is linked to, in men in particular, an excess of estrogen and a deficiency of testosterone. So a poor ratio between estrogen and testosterone. And that happens, you know, men are probably listening now. I'm thinking estrogen. I don't make estrogen. You know, what are you talking about estrogen with me? But that men do make a certain amount of estrogen. It's in, you know, they make way more

testosterone. But the thing is estrogen exists in so many forms in our environment. It is made in fat cells. So overweight men in particular can have high estrogen levels. And what men need to know is that in fat cells, there's an enzyme, this is true for women too, but there's an enzyme called aromatase, which actually exists in fat cells. So the more fat cells we have, the more aromatase action we have, and what aromatase does, and I think this is particularly significant for men, it uses testosterone as a substrate for conversion into estrogen. So men who are noticing this loss of muscle strength, this loss of density, this lack of libido, lack of dry, they don't have the enthusiasm they had for the things they used

to love to do anymore. They're injured. Men who notice that need first thing not to rush to the doctor and get injected with testosterone. They need to get tested and find out what their levels are and find out if they have too much estrogen that is depleting their testosterone. Their bioavailable circulating testosterone, is it being converted into estrogen because of fat cells that are in excess because of Xenoestrogens in the environment that we're being exposed to,

because cortisol levels are high and depleting testosterone. There are so many things that work against males having the right level of things. And, you know, men, you know, the, you know, the word, it's not, it's not a lovely word, that male moobs, mailed, when you see a man, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, manboos. I don't know what you're going to call it. Right. Yeah, I hate that word, but I'm just forgetting, I'm, I'm blanking on the technical word for that and it'll probably come to me at three o'clock in the morning. But, anyway, you can see estrogen is connected

to increased breast tissue. Estrogen is a growth hormone. So it causes fat gain in the hips and the thighs and in the breasts. And so when you see men that have excessive tissue there, that's a sure sign of a lack of testosterone and an excess of estrogen. I remember talking to a guy, consulting with a guy who was losing weight, he was in a weight

loss program. I used to run a hormone testing component of a weight loss program that was in nationwide clinics. And he was doing everything right, but his estrogen levels continued to remain high. We were trying to figure out what it was. And his wife was sitting there and she said, he's a milkaholic. So turns out, she said, he drinks a whole gallon of milk every day. And he was sitting there, what's wrong with that?

Well, were they using hormone free milk? You know how, how many factory cows are injected with hormones? And what's the hormone that they're injected with estrogen? Estrogen makes, it's a growth hormone, makes cows grow fat faster. So you get milk, more milk to the gallon, you know, you get more milk easily, more fat to the whole that. So that was his thing. He was drinking, he was taking in too much dairy and his levels were sky high. And once he stopped that and went to reading labels and if he wanted some dairy, it needed to be, you know, the label should say, and men become aware of this, read labels

don't leave it to your partner to do this. But note that something should say, these animals were raised without hormones. Or there are no artificial hormones in this milk or cottage cheese or cheese. European cheeses are safe because they don't allow all these chemicals or hormones in the food. Blazing Deals, Boundless Options.. Its hot grill summer at Whole Foods Market from June 14th through July 4th. Fire up the grill with quality cuts at the best prices. We're talking animal welfare certified meat. Check out the sales on Bone In Ribbye, Beef Cabobs, and New York Strip Stake. Round out your barbecue with plant-based proteins, slice cheese, soft buns, and all the

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Or even, I mean, we'll get to, I know meat can have it as well, right, with hormones, but it's a, maybe a jet, this is a generalization, but maybe one of the nutritional, I don't know, one nutritional tip. What? What?

Yeah. Well, I have it to cultivate would be to avoid excess milk intake or dairy intake because not only, you know, I'm talking about cows that are injected with hormones, but also a cow that is kept pregnant or, you know, continually so that she's constantly producing milk is producing a lot of estrogen. Right. Just naturally occurring estrogen There can be 11 different substrates of estrogen and one glass of milk So, you know men and then there's there's also you know, there are the forever chemicals that are in nonstick

cooking pans and Flora Polish and you know the thalates and shower curtains, plastic softeners, the, there's so many environmental estrogens, the fragrances that we use are loaded with chemicals that somehow get into the body and they take up, they, they can attach to the receptor side of a cell where hormones do their thing. So if you think about a hormone, it's a chemical messenger that is bound to a red blood cell in the bloodstream.

The body says, hey, he's working out. We need to, she's working out, we need a little more testosterone here. So what happens is a fraction of that testosterone is released from the bloodstream. I'm simplifying, of course. And it goes into the tissues, the target tissues, where it is received at a receptor site. And it clocks, it docks on that receptor site.

Or if you think of a puzzle piece fitting perfectly, that's what these hormones do. They fit into the cell receptor, and then they govern our mental, emotional, physical functions. So getting that balance of hormones right and not undermining that action is so important for people to be aware of. And I think that's a good point. I think that's why nutrition and what you eat and what you put into your body and also

your environment is what you moisturize your youth, what everything has, like every action has a reaction, right? And so being cognizant of these things. Yeah, I was just reading this article from the UK. I was spending some time in the UK the last few months and it was in environmental science and technology. US researchers found these forever chemicals, these polyflora carbons that are so disruptive of hormones and other synth body systems found in PFA's in all the stain-resistant school uniforms.

Wow. Those labeled, even those labeled 100% cotton. So, when you think about stain-resistant fabric spray on your coat, on your furniture, on your carpets, in your clothing, you know, women use fragrances that are loaded with these things, that by the way don't need to be disclosed. Men use aftershave lotions that can be loaded with undisclosed chemicals that for some reason can take up, they can bind to that receptor site that I was just talking about.

They can get in there and though they do not fit the receptor site perfectly as a naturally occurring hormone would, what they do is they can bind to it well enough to be able to bump off the naturally occurring hormone that's trying to get in there. They can occupy that receptor site and then over stimulate the cell and create all kinds of disruption. And this is where we call Zenoestrogens or Xenohormones, Xenominein, foreign or unfamiliar to the body. We also call them estrogen memakers.

Because like imposter, they're imposterous. You know, they can pull off a hormonal reaction, but it's not the one you want. You know, it's an overreaction over simulation, and the people are just not cognizant of these things, and not watching what they're eating, what's in the products, the personal care products they're using. Shampoo is loaded. You know, you look at the back of a shampoo bottle. It's got 52 ingredients.

You can't pronounce and they all have X, Ys and Zs in them. That's in lorith sulfate. That's a good one to avoid. Parabins, thalates, heavy metals are in makeup and eyeshadow and all of these things tend to, don't tend to, they successfully disrupt hormone production. So on the conversation around men, what men need to know is even though they're not ovulating and producing ovarian hormones, they, too, have gonadal hormones produced by the male sex organs and they are, they need to be supported with the right attention and awareness so that we're not compromising our natural ability to do, you know, we should be able to produce optimal amounts of these hormones, especially men and women in their 20s, 30s and then into their

40s as things start to fluctuate. That's when we have to take some tender loving care of our bodies, our adrenals, you know, and start really becoming diligent. So does that mean it's not enough just to kind of take tests? Like, because what a lot of people do that I know is that they start taking testosterone. They take, they just start taking testosterone.

They start with the testosterone cream or testosterone shots. And so even if they have a high estrogen count because of all the things that we've spoken about, they'll just offset it by the testosterone and not even think about lowering the estrogen. So are you saying that sometimes, that's not the answer, you can just lower your estrogen by getting it tested properly. And then you can kind of get better or feel better

or have less symptoms. Well, I think you're gonna talk about. Hormones are very potent, powerful chemicals to just start taking a hormone, especially when as powerful as testosterone. In the absence of test results, to not know whether you are estrogen, don't, whether there is too much estrogen circulating, is a problem because the more, let's say say a male is unaware that he has too much estrogen relative to testosterone.

Perhaps his stress hormones are up because he's overbooked, over committed, over training, drinking too much caffeine or energy drinks, you know, whatever, whatever, and as it's constantly jacking up the stress hormones. If you haven't, you don't know what your levels are. And then you're adding in testosterone. What if that is just serving as more substance for conversion into estrogen? You could be creating a vicious cycle. You're adding in testosterone through a pellet or an injection, and you're actually creating a nice little amount of seed bed for more conversion of estrogen,

you know, a conversion of testosterone into estrogen. Now, there are things people can do, especially men need to think about using zinc in their men can supplement with zinc because zinc is an aromatase inhibitor. And it has been shown to inhibit that conversion. There's also progesterone actually inhibits that conversion. Fiber in the diet, there are, you know, eating foods that are full of cruciferous vegetables that contain an enzyme that actually helps to ferry excess estrogen out of the system and helps to metabolize estrogens properly. So there's something called dim, that's another supplement which is like eating two pounds

abruptly. If you're not getting enough cruciferous vegetables into your diet to help move that excess estrogen and reduce that estrogen burden, then you can use dim as a capsule. And all of those things can be steps that you take before you go for the testosterone, especially, you know, and the men you may be talking about may be in their 30s. Do they really need to be injecting testosterone? Probably not. Strength training, of course, increases lean muscle mass, which then triggers the release of testosterone. And there's no evidence that, you know, I think overtraining isn't going to, isn't going to create an excess of testosterone,

but what it's going to do is create an excess of cortisol, and excesses of cortisol trump everything. If cortisol is high, then testosterone is usually depleted, and now we're feeling, you know, the effects of a low testosterone, the lack of energy, stamina, endurance, all of those things that are so important to, you know, the male, the macho aspect of being male, but it's just as important to women, but I think men feel it more, you know, more, you know, more in a way that they may not understand what's happening to them.

So awareness becomes the most important thing, education and awareness. And we have a guide, we have a lot of educational information that is assisting men in knowing more about that, because it's not a much talked about subject. You hadn't heard the word Andropa's, so there you go. More from our guests, but first a few words from our sponsor. So if you're new year's goals are anything like mine, you want to manage your budget better and save money That you are unnecessarily spending and if that's the case, you need rocket money. Rocket money formally known as true bill is a personal finance app that finds and cancels your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps you lower your bills all in one

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same supplements to take, or what's the reaction? Like, how does it, is it, are the symptoms different in women? And does it show up the same? So is it still like increased body fat around your midsection, if you have too much estrogen. Are you fatigued, you get sore when you work out? Like, what is it the same? It's slightly different. I should mention also that the in women, you know, women are famous for having PMS and moods and, you know, emotional ups and downs. And they often talk about my husband or my partner doesn't know what to do.

Should he move out for the week that I'm having my period? It's just, but men also get, one other thing I should mention is they get more emotional. And that's similar to women. They can have mood swings. They can feel down or depressed or just moody. No, I can too. Yeah, men get p-mess.

Well, the similar symptoms are not getting PMS pre-mensual syndrome. When their estrogen is high, estrogen is a high estrogen and women is very much associated with PMS mood changes, bloating, weight gain, hip size bottom. Even even what was I going to say? Oh, even, what was I going to say? Oh, well, there's just so many symptoms of estrogen dominance, really, that one of the things that's important in men is that estrogen being a growth hormone is growing that prostate and largeing it. And women, it's growing tissue that can become, you know, an overgrowth of uterine tissue and maybe lead to endometriosis, maybe grow fibroids or ovarian cysts.

Accesses of estrogen are about growth growing tissue. So I was mentioning the male, the male, the men, but for women, I think that the mood changes are more pronounced because we have more estrogen on board in general. And if we're estrogen dominant, yes, probably progesterone is very key for us because progesterone is the hormone that balances estrogen. And if we're not ovulating every cycle as we should, or we're on birth control for years or we're moving into menopause we're not going to be ovulating every cycle and that

lack of ovulation means that progesterone is not being produced so it's a bit of a different physiology for women we become estrogen dominant because we're not making as much progesterone to balance our estrogen we become estrogen dominant because we're not making as much progesterone to balance our estrogen. Men become estrogen dominant because they don't have the balancing powers of testosterone. So for men, it's estrogen testosterone that ratio is important for women, it's estrogen progesterone. But the symptoms in general, the weight gain, the moodiness, the, you know, even thyroid issues are very much connected to too much estrogen.

Estrogen can actually get in the way run interference on the conversion of T4, which is the most abundant thyroid hormone, into T3, which is actually the active thyroid hormone. So estrogen access can disrupt that conversion. thyroid hormone into T3, which is actually the active thyroid hormone. So estrogen access can disrupt that conversion, and that's where we need to know, am I getting enough selenium in my diet? Am I getting enough zinc and magnesium and all the things that aid in a bett conversion of thyroid?

So you start, a lot of people, like you're saying, men will go and get the testosterone when that may not be the underlying problem. Women will run and get thyroid because they're desperate to lose weight and they're put on a thyroid medication. When maybe they had an underlying imbalance of estrogen dominance that was running and disrupting their thyroid function.

So it's really important to get a handle on, first you need to know your symptoms. We have a symptom quiz at your hormone balance, which is a really good one. It's not completely geared to men, but as we're saying, most of the symptoms are similar. Yeah. Women too, when their testosterone is down,

it's not only about libido, which can certainly take a hit, but it's about drive, your ambition, your enthusiasm for things, your ambition, your enthusiasm for things, your strength, your stamina, again, and for women, it's great to do strength training before they go and run and get testosterone. They need to also make sure, and in taking any one hormone in, as we call it, unopposed, supplementing with in hormone and not creating a blend of, you know, these hormones interact and work synchronistically. So that taking of one hormone, as I was

mentioning, with testosterone can cause an imbalance of all the other hormones. So, you know, that's the argument. Okay. I have a couple of different things to go over. First of all, what is very clear to me is this is, this is, this can be very complicated and there's a lot of like devil in the details. It's not just black and white. So what it says to me is, you need to have somebody on your team or a doctor or somebody who was a real expert and understanding this, who's kind of guiding you.

I think what happens a lot of times, we Google things, me included, by the way. I'm not counting myself out of this. And, you know, Google something, and then I think that's okay. So now I should be doing this, and then I listen, and I have no clue what I'm doing. So the first step, I think, is to get somebody that you see or get tested by somebody who knows what the hell they're doing and let them kind of like, and some of that you trust and then they can help with this whole thing. Because just even listening to all these things on this podcast and other people I've listened

to in the past, you know, it's like a, it's an exact science, and it's constantly ever changing. That's the first thing. What was that? I was gonna say at times it can be an inexact science. I mean, that is the devil in it is that these fluctuations are dependent on so many things that are naturally occurring production.

What we call endogenous hormone production, we're looking at exogenous things from the outside that are affecting that. It's in exact science and it is challenging to try to figure, you know, to try to find that moment in time. With women, we test them at a certain time in their cycle. So we can be, you know, very precise with, we have to be, because we have to see, you know, are they ovulating? Are they producing progesterone? What's the relationship between estrogen and progesterone and looking at all the other hormones? With men, they can test any time, but, but, we also, when we collect samples, they are collected at a certain

time of day. So, more evening, night time tells us how these rhythms are flowing, you know, how, especially adrenal cortisol stress hormones. So, anyway, you were saying. Yeah, I was going to say also, the type of testing. I think that I heard that taking a blood test is way more accurate than taking a saliva swab of saliva. Now they're doing poop testing for that stuff. In your opinion, what is the most accurate way to test your hormones? way to test your hormones.

So I'm in the saliva, I'm in the saliva camp because that's been my training and my background and it may it's the simplest way to start with test. For one thing, the difference, you know, if we just start with the difference between the standard blood draw and a saliva test. you know, if we just start with the difference between the standard blood draw and a saliva test. So a standard blood draw is going to often cause stress just because it's invasive, because there are needles involved. That can really skew test results, especially when we're trying to track the adrenal, the adrenal curve. Also, blood testing is looking at the reservoir of hormones that are in the bloodstream. It's not looking at the 2% to 4% fraction

that is leaving the bloodstream as I was describing before upon signaling. We have all these signaling systems and feedback loops and the body instructing the need for hormones here, there and everywhere. That fraction that leaves the bloodstream becomes active in the tissues of the body and when they're in salivary gland, which is tissue, we can capture that saliva sample of a hormone that's on its way to the target tissues where it does the actual work. So, this is active, bio-available levels that we're testing in saliva, which are not tested

in blood, unless you ask for a free, you know, you can ask for free levels to be tested, but the average doctor does not test free levels of hormones. And in fact, they usually don't test all the hormones that interact. They usually test just follicular hormones or luteal hormones in women and probably just testosterone in men. They're not looking at the estrogen and the other levels that are so important. So we're looking, first of all, it's non-invasive saliva. It's convenient. You're testing at the right time of the day and throughout the day, the same day.

If you're a woman, you're testing at the right time of your cycle. You're testing bioavailable active hormone levels that will now correlate much more closely with the symptoms you're experiencing. You know, too many people get a blood test and are told, oh, your levels look good. You know, you're looking at a reservoir of hormone in there. You're not seeing what fraction is actually active. And you're not, it's not being correlated with your symptoms, not usually. Slyvatesting is, list is asking you in our requisition form. We ask people to list, there's like 144 symptoms there.

We're correlating symptoms with your levels. You never get that with the blood test. You get a level, you get a number. What does it mean? How is it related to how I'm feeling every day or why I'm not feeling myself? So I think those are the bioavailable active levels are being measured, non-invasive, convenient, optimal timing, and a great start.

There are other tests, there are urine tests that go much deeper and look at metabolic pathways, how are hormones being metabolized, which pathways are they going down? That can be at a great next step. Yes, now people are doing poop testing. These, all of these tests test different things. They're looking at different aspects of the hormonal picture. But I believe that saliva is the, I mean, the lab I worked for for so many years has now tested 10 million people and continues to test more. We can send the kit to your home.

You can test at the right time. These are all in the privacy of your home. That's all really important and easy to do. And then the results come back, chalk a block with information that you can use and hopefully people who test with us anyway will book a consult because we can talk to them or we can talk to people that have existing test results. But that's the important part is understanding what your results mean. We also can refer people to providers in their area.

If they have, if there are providers in their area, that's part of the reason why testing like ours can work because not everybody lives in an area where they can talk to a functional medicine doctor that's really stuck or trained in hormone testing and rebalancing. Okay, so, and so are you saying that the answer is not always like I had a test a blood test done at one of these places A bunch actually and my and all the tests come back that I am like my testosterone Maybe this is like too much information, but whatever is really is really low and

So it could be because I have a lot of heavy metal poison and eat a lot of fish So that could be a reason why my testosterone is like you were even saying the same thing. It could be a lot of environmental things. What you're eating habits are point being, if I don't want to be on testosterone medication, which I'm not, by the way, there are lifestyle changes that I can try to help it, right? Also, right? OK, so let's talk about that for a second for women in testosterone. What do you feel about women going on testosterone? Because I feel that it's not as like simply like women, I believe, it's a whole thing right now, but it'll help with like lean muscle mass.

It will help with energy, it'll help with all these things. But there's a lot of downside and different side effects for these things. So that's why I'm not a big advocate for just going on a hormone replacement thing. So what are some of the things that people can do lifestyle-wise to increase their women

for their testosterone? Why can that be? Can they ever increase that much? Let's talk about that a little bit. Can they ever increase their testosterone levels that much by some of them? I guess my question is women in middle age women, or people in their 40s, when their testosterone dips, besides weight training, what can they do besides just going on medication,

okay, like going on, sorry, not medication, but going on hormone replacement therapy, can they do that can really amp up their testosterone? Do women need testosterone as much as men do? I want to talk more about testosterone and women for a moment. When you lose your signal, discover a new playlist, Mother Nature. Make your summer special at the Kia Summer Sales event with a dependable Kia SUV or powerful sedan. Kia, movement that inspires. Call 800-333-4K for details, always drive safely, of an N7523. Yeah, well, I think women need, you know, if women do need testosterone and some of the

symptoms of that also can, you know, low testosterone can go along with low estrogen, where there's a lot of dryness. And, you know, all the, the deficiency symptoms I talked about can also be accompanied by vaginal dryness and a lot of discomfort which makes the libido even compromises the libido even more. And so women of course want to think about maybe getting some testosterone. But again, like with men, it's important first to understand what the whole picture looks like. The picture is estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, DHEA, which is the precursor of testosterone, and cortisol levels. So if cortisol levels are high or out of whack, that's going to reduce testosterone levels. If DHEHA is low, that's going to reduce testosterone levels because DHA

is the precursor of testosterone. So the substance from testosterone is derived and all these hormones break down to other hormones. So these you might establish. If progesterone is low, then you're losing out on the benefit, the great balancer benefits of progesterone is low, then you're losing out on the great balancer benefits of progesterone, which can also give a little poke to boosting testosterone levels. So there are so many things that can be done. And I would say, before rushing to the testosterone injection, and many women that I've talked to have done soda pellets, they've done pellets that have been injected through their bottom, and they feel absolutely fantastic

for the first month or so, but these pellets are injected from maybe three to six months. And what they do is you go from hero to zero. So you're feeling, you're down at the corner going, hey, sailor, you're feeling just top of the world, but most women I talk to get into situations where then as the pellet, the substance decreases over time, now they're feeling the effects in spades, the symptoms that we're talking about of deficiency, and feeling really awful.

So it's hard to- But why can't you just get the penalty? So I know what you're talking about. So for people who don't know, you could take a penalty. You basically, they can put it in your butt, like on your butt cheek. I know.

And so what I find interesting is there are side effects. Like also, that's why I wanted to talk about this, because I know a lot of my, like, people I know, I was as friends, otherwise, we all talk about this. And you can also gain weight from taking testosterone, if you can gain acne from testosterone. Like, it's not just like, people are looking at things that are like fast fixes, you know, like,

oh, I'm a little bit, I'm getting older, I have a low testosterone, I'm just gonna go and take a shot, a cream, like, oh, I'm a little bit, I'm getting older, I have a low test doctrine, I'm just going to go and take a shot, a cream, a pellet, and like, most, like, actually most people I know don't feel great, even though that's like the sales, that's like the, they sell it to you like that. They ended up actually gaining weight or not feeling so hot, you know. We're feeling too much muscle and feeling thick and thick and just yeah. And and really I was going to add that, you know, some women feel fantastic. And then they, you know, then the crash comes really hard. Other women start, you know, all the symptoms of high testosterone with acne and

skin breakouts and excess facial and body hair and feeling irritable and edgy and aggressive and all of those symptoms of too much testosterone can be a real problem. So knowing those symptoms can tell you what maybe this isn't the right thing for me. And again, just getting a pellet of testosterone only without balancing. Now, there are things like chrysan and progesterone and aromatase inhibitors that are also provided to women that are on testosterone alone and to men, hopefully. So I mean, I don't know how savvy doctors can be about this, but that it's important

to provide something that's going to inhibit that conversion of testosterone to estrogen, because certainly just using testosterone is going very possibly to lead to that. And the other part of this is, are your stress hormones out of whack? How, you know, what's going on with the cortisol levels? Are they high so that they're disrupting testosterone production? And are they high because your life is high stress to the point where stress is kind of taking center stage in your life? And I always try now that our bodies are, there's such a thing as stress resilience.

We are physiologically equipped to deal with acute stressors, you know, someone cutting up traffic, getting injured, getting sick, you know, having an emotional breakdown, whatever it is, we can bounce back from those things because our system is equipped to deal with the certain, every living thing has to deal with stressors. It's all those internal, external stimuli that we have to respond to. It's when stress becomes distress or when it

becomes, you know, when we get what we call an allostatic load that is burdening us down, we're stressors that rubber band, that elastic that should bounce back is now stretched to the maximum. And that's when we start to see in the beginning, you'll see high levels of cortisol, often at night, where people are, their levels are the reverse of where they should be. We like to see cortisol high in the morning and hanging in there at noon, and then slowly gradually dropping to lower levels

evening and night in preparation for calming and sleep and all of that. But instead of that, we often see high levels at night and low levels in the morning, which is the reverse of the cortisol picture we want to see, or we may see cortisol levels that are high across the board. Like they don't follow that normal gradual decrease, decreasing of the diurnal curve over the day. And so they're just kind of elevated all the time. And that sort of thing is going to be very, you're going to see a low testosterone on a test result like that.

And often people that have high levels often don't sustain those over time. You can only go so long operating at, you know, warp speed. What was the old thing? Burning the candle at both ends, you know, not make time. I notice when I talk to people now that a lot of people don't know how to relax. They don't know how to turn off the computer. They're on their cell phone and computer at night, which is another big disruptor causing cortisol hormones to go up, which is another big disruptor, causing cortisol hormones to go up, which disrupts testosterone. So we aren't doing the things that bring us joy and take us.

We are, many of us are, but a lot of people think, well, I'm young now, I can work 12 hours a day and drink as much coffee as I want, which by the way is a horrible whip to the adrenals when people are drinking way too much caffeine and these energy drinks. So we get into these high levels, but over time they start to decrease till these levels then can be even flatline. Where you see a flat, you know, the morning level is quite low and then just kind of drops at noon and then they're, you know, low throughout and people will tell you, I have to push through my day, I can't get through the day

without caffeine and sweets. I'm, you know, and these are the people that are skipping breakfast. Maybe they're rushing, you know, they're eating at their desk. They're not getting outside and getting some exercise and some sun and air and, you know, just taking time to smell the roses. And then all the other things that create stress, like creating boundaries in your life, how many people have I talked to that say, oh, I work full time, I'm taking care of my aging relatives and I'm raising my daughter's children. I mean, that's an example of a lot of stress. But so many people don't have, they don't know how to set boundaries and use the word no judiciously,

but you know, say, no, this is my time. I have to have time to myself. You'll put the mask on yourself before you try to help other people. Right. But we're're the abundant stress. We're living in a world of ambiance stress, where there's always something on the back burner that we've just come through COVID and our politics are so disruptive and infuriating. There's just many things that we're not managing our stressors well, and yet our body is equipped to do that. And the adrenals that manage the stress

response are so key as we get older, like even into our forties when I was talking about these hormones starting to fluctuate, we have, you know, we just, we just start to get depleted in these hormones. And we can't, we can't get our mojo back. So if we're overworked, overbooked, overcommitted, out of time, and trying to please everybody all the time. And then you add on the chemicals that are depleting the other hormones in the picture that support and interact and keep that delicate balance.

And, you know, and you can be and then supplementing with hormones that are perhaps synthetic and not bioidentical and that's a huge difference, the kinds of hormones that you use. Are they plant-based or are they made of chemicals that are not duplicating the structure and function of your own hormones? I know synthetic versus bioidenticals, a whole other thing, right? Other thing. Yeah, because bioidentical hormones are available, they're derived from plants like wild yam or soy, they're made in a lab, yes, but they're made to duplicate that molecular structure, so they fit like that puzzle piece into the right. And they're usually applied in goldilocks doses, so you're just either as a topical cream, a gel, you know, a sublingual,

a lozenge, perhaps, and they should be in doses that are just physiologic. So you're trying to mimic mother nature. You're just replacing what your body, or replacing or replenishing what your body is lacking. And you're not really taking too much or jack yourself up to a point, which is what can be a problem with testosterone. Sometimes it's like we were talking about, it can be given in high doses. We don't know always that it's bio-identical and it's not

being used in concert with the other hormones that it should be supported by. So you're saying you can take these small mini doses of natural bio-identical hormones. It could be testosterone, it could be estrogen, it could be progesterone. You could take, so it's not, there's a lots of different ones to balance out your overall hormone place.

Yeah, let's say, let's take a woman who's had a hysterectomy. So she has no ovarian production of hormones, very you know her ovaries are gone and so she may be given a bio identical combination of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone, because all of those hormones are going to be absent once her ovaries are removed. So that can be a very nice package, a nice way to present, if a woman needs testosterone

to have it packaged and blended formulated in a topical cream or gel, and that's the healthy way to do it. That's the balanced way to take these supplements. And with men, progesterone is actually just a little bit, not as much as women might replenish with, but a bit of testosterone can protect that conversion, protect against that conversion of testosterone into estrogen and thus, and help to balance whatever estrogen is present.

Because just with natural physiologic decline of testosterone, estrogen rises relative to declining testosterone, which is just a normal, inevitable part of aging. So it's important to have those hormones on board. There's also an approach which women can and men can take, which is to use DHA as a supplement, which is the precursor of testosterone and estrogen, by the way. So that's why testing is also important because you want to make sure you're not high in either of those

before you use DHA. But DHA can be pretty effective at raising those levels indirectly. Instead of directly putting on testosterone, you're using DHA, which is going to hit, go into the cells of the body and they're going to recognize it and say, okay, we can use you. We're going to convert you into giving this person a little bit of extra testosterone. And you use that in small doses as well. And testing can tell you where your DHEA levels are. Are they low enough to justify that?

Also, DHEA is an adrenal hormone. So if it's low, you're going to probably have adrenals that are compromised, low cortisol levels, low cortisol levels, low testosterone levels, low estrogen levels, you know, it's all all related. All of it. So, like if you are moody, if you're stressed out, if you're tired, this can all be hormone related, right?

Like this can all be helped, this can all be helped if we regulate our hormones. Now full disclosure, I've never tried your tests or anything like that, I've never done any of that stuff. I'm actually now curious to try, like you guys, you test for all this stuff because I'd like to know what my levels are with you compared to what my levels were with these other people that I, like functional doctors I went to on offices. Because, and then how involved are you? So let's say I take your test, right? And then what happens?

I get my results. I call you, say, hi, Candace, or you say, hey, Jennifer, here is your test results. You give me a protocol then to follow and see if it helps or what happens. Well, first of all, we started the year-round balance because there is a dearth of information out there about the fact that awareness, first of all, symptom awareness, so people get used to their symptoms, they become their symptoms, they don't realize that they're suffering from it.

Right, 100%. And could feel, people don't remember how good they used to feel or don't even have a clue about how much better they could feel because they've been living with symptoms for ages. Sometimes ages. Totally, I agree, I agree. Yeah. And there's also a good amount of data that tells us Sometimes ages. Totally, I agree. I agree. Yeah.

And there's also a good amount of data that tells us that people don't understand their test results when they get blood test results, especially. They don't understand. So we decided and the conversation needed to be had. So as educators, we can help to interpret test results. The lab really interprets the result. There's a whole comment field. But what we're doing is taking out the mystery and trying to reviewing these results with people

who buy, we have different packages. So people can buy the test kit and I should mention the test kit comes to your home, you're testing at home, you are testing. A lot of us want to say something. This is not an ad. I am not getting paid. This is not a paid situation. This is legit. Me just asking these questions. So if anyone thinks this is something other than just me being curious because this is what we're talking about, you're wrong. Okay. Go on. So you get the test kit. You test when, you know, according to whether you're female or male at the right time of day and month.

And then we, you send in your samples, you collect your samples, morning, noon, evening, bad time, you send them in in the male that is prepaid, you send them back to the lab, which is an Oregon where I live. The lab, then, the same lab's ERT that Anna has analyzed over 10 million results, provides a full-on test report with all of your levels, all of the symptoms you reported, and then a common field that explains and correlates those symptoms with the levels that we've found. The Thing is, most people don't read, they don't necessarily read the full on common field or they just want someone to kind of walk them through. So if they do, then we are here,

we have a consult, a build your own package, so you can either get the test. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. All I want to know is basically, they can go on the website there. And I want to know if the someone sits with you or you do or whatever, and being like, okay, given all of your results, this is what we should try.

We should put, we're going to put you on this supplement, we're going to try giving you this loss and juror. Because I think, like I said, it's very complicated and people don't have that, like you said, the wherewithal the time and the bandwidth, right? Like I want to have somebody who is knowledgeable to say, okay, this is what's happening. Let's try this protocol. Yeah, I mean, we can't diagnose,

but we can review your test results and say, this is, you know, these levels are low, high, trending high, trending low. You know, people will see a level within range and they'll think oh, it's fine Well, is it fine if it's trending on the low side of the normal range? So we point things out like that we review and explain Correlate to your the symptoms you're experiencing and then we have and I do we have a whole Rebalancing guide which is part of the package that you know

We have different packages as I said so many people buy the rebalancing guide, which is part of the package that, you know, we have different packages, as I said. So many people buy the rebalancing guide as part of their package, and it takes each hormone as per your results and discusses what would be helpful. And we have links to herbs, supplements, adaptogens, and even bio-identical hormones that are available over the counter that don't require prescription. And I work with a doctor in Florida who's a compounding pharmacist, OB-GYN, who's created a line of bio-identical plant-based creams, hormone creams that he's used for 30 years on his patients, but don't require a prescription.

So we can get you going, we can get you started. And we can also refer you. I'm in your area, if you're in an area where, but I think what I find is that most women and men, and many of the men I've tested have been referred by their girlfriends or wives or partners because they're concerned about their stress levels or their sex drop or their stress,

they're just their constant, their lack of sleep and so on, somnia, the so common for men. Right. And a lot of men are a little bit more hesitant to talk about these things, but I find in general just talking, people talk therapy when it comes to hormones and some of these more personal habits, I mean, personal symptoms that may be due to long-term habits that one doesn't want to really admit to or review or take stock of, we can start to do that in this conversation.

And I think it's really revealing and helpful to people. And they feel comforted that they've been listened to. A lot of people feel like there's nobody to talk to about this. 100%. I agree with that. And I try to do is we review, we correlate, we provide what next information and a lot of education. So people who are interested in what the hell does estrogen really do? Or, you know, why, why does my testosterone matter if I'm a woman? You know, these sorts of things, we have a full on, we talk about the different stages,

the different cycles and women, we talk about, there are all kinds of things that come up for men that we can be specific about. We customize and personalize our rebalancing plans. So it gets pretty specific. You're getting a diploma. You can't eat a diploma, but you can eat wings and charlis.

Get 23% off any order, 30 or 50-piece wings, when you use promo code 23grat at charlis.com. That's promo code 23grad at charlie's dot com. Charlies as wings. Uh, no, thank you. I appreciate that. I think that this, I mean, I, I, more or less what I've gotten from all of this is that number one, there's so many different.

It's like, it's so many different, it could be a lot of information, and it can be complicated, but the balancing of hormones is such a big indicator of your overall health and how you feel day to day, it can affect all areas of your life. And for people to be cognizant of an aware of it and not just to take something because their friend says that they're doing something. I did that one time and it didn't behoove me, mess me up.

And that's really more or less why I wanted to have, have this conversation with you and have you on. It's just more to kind of shed some light on all the different imbalances and symptoms that people may be feeling and they don't know what's causing them. And to go get checked, no matter where they're getting checked, it doesn't have to be with you obviously.

They should just get checked with someone that they are comfortable with. And therefore they'll have more information, information and gives people the ability, the knowledge to get better. So, in your communities where you live, if you have a compounding pharmacy, that's a great resource because the compounding pharmacies know which doctors in the community are prescribing bio-identical hormones are, you know, sending people into the pharmacy to pick up an adrenal support tincture or an adaptogen this so they

can refer people if you're lucky to have someone in your area. Or you can, you know, if you want to work with someone like us where it's basically education but we're providing a laboratory, you know, tests that is giving you a huge amount of information and providing you with all natural ways forward so that we're not prescribing anything, but if prescribing is needed, then we're happy to refer. So whoever, if you're in a city where you've got access to, like if you're in LA, you certainly have access to compounding pharmacists and doctors who know this stuff. If you want privacy and you

want to go online and do your testing, I mean you're still going to take the test home if it's saliva and test at home and mail it into the lab and get your result and then you're going to be sitting there with the result and need to talk to somebody. Absolutely. I just think having the being armed with information and then having someone that is extremely knowledgeable to help walk through. So you're not just randomly taking

a bunch of hormones because there could be a lot of bad side effects. But Candice, thank you so much. You've taken up a ton of your time. Where do people find out more information if they want it? Do you want us to give your website or? Yeah, just your hormone balance calm. We'd like that we have a symptom quiz on there, which is most useful for women And we'll find it helpful love to give a code for habits 50 for $50 off any Test kit that we've got up there at Test Kit package. We also have a Black Friday sale coming up and then we've got a great Instagram at your home on balance so people can find us there and we're constantly trying to put up more information, learning

more, putting out, you know, the latest news you can use. This is what we're all about. It's just spreading the word that, you know, there is an andropause, there is a menopause, but there are in between when we're not in those places, what are we doing to remain resilient and to, you know, to have the most optimal hormonal balance. It's all, it's one of those fundamental pillars of our health and longevity. Absolutely. Thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate that. Thank you so much for having me on. Any chance I get to spread the YAP Media Podcast Network.

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