Habits and Hustle - Episode 213: Barnes And Noble Super Panel - Max Lugavere, Darin Olien, and Dr. Emily Morse

Episode Date: February 7, 2023

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All right guys, we made it. We made it to 2023. Happy new year. This is going to be the best one yet. I'm not a big person in these new year resolutions because I don't ever believe in waiting till January 1st. I believe in starting right away. Finally, my book, Bigger Better Bolder,

has been out now for probably a week. And I want to say thank you to everybody who pre-ordered it because it debuted at number one in business, and I am just so grateful and thankful for you guys. I really do believe that we all can be more bold and show up in our life in it real way with a little introspection, a little self-awareness, and we can design whatever we want for ourselves. I believe in creating a rich life, and that's not just money you guys. That's about

relationships, meaningful relationships, meaningful experiences. Now, if we're not born being bold, you can learn being bold. I have a workbook in the back of the book. So, it keeps people accountable and you see yourselves getting bolder by doing these little bold moves. So, we are not just acquiescing to a good enough life, but we're actually really going after and chasing the life we want. I want this to be a two way conversation. I want you guys to leave me reviews and comments. Let me know what type of guests you want me to go after,

chase after, let me know what you like, what you don't like, your words are valuable and they mean something to me. So please let me know, check me out, and Habits and Hustle on YouTube now as well, and on Instagram. Facebook now, we have a Facebook community. Here's to 2023 everyone. Let's make it's Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habitson Hustle.

Crash it. Thank you so much for coming, everybody, to this book launch panel evening for Bigger Better Bolder. I appreciate every single one of you guys coming out on a Tuesday night. Thank you very much. We're gonna be doing something a little bit different. This is a live podcast and it will be, it's not live streaming, but we're doing it obviously live and then we're gonna,

we're gonna upload it. But what I thought would be really interesting was if I got a few of my close friends who have been extremely bold in their life and really kind of talk about what they think bold is, what I think bold is, and kind of how they've kind of used boldness in their careers, in their personal life to kind of build the platforms they have and how you guys around here and listening when they listen, how they can harness their boldness skills. So basically, it's gonna be a bold conversation with like I said, three great, great friends. First up is, I always call,

I just say sex with Emily. She's like Madonna, you know? That's how I say, I don't even know her last name really. I do, but I never ever call her that. So Emily, obviously, not obviously, but for those of you who don't know, Emily is not only an expert, a connoisseur, but probably the best in her field in sex education.

Sex, how do you even, what's... Sex educator, sex therapist, sex. Yeah, I love getting people to feel comfortable talking about sex and relationships and pleasure in a way that's not awkward. And it still feels good. Speaking of awkward, my two kids are in the audience. So let's just be careful of maybe using different words sometimes, but just be mindful of that. You're feminism. You're feminism's exactly.

And then we have Darren O'Lean, who is everything wellness. He is a super food hunter. He is the host of Down to Earth with Zach Efron. Two seasons already. And Emmy Award winner, he is exceptionally knowledgeable on so many different things. And again, I don't even know how to even pigeonhole these people because they've created such a niche for themselves But we're gonna hear from Darren Darren. How would you describe yourself? What would you say in one?

That I was gonna. Okay. Thank you But if if I wasn't saying it how would you what would be your title if you just met somebody what would be your elevator pitch? What would you say that you were? escalator pitch as I was coming up. Yeah. You know, I'm curious. That's for sure. Curious about bettering the gnarly systems

that we have going on in the environment. Certainly, interested in continuing the documentary docu-series world, working on more books about. Oh, tell them about that. So you have one book called Super Life, which is a huge maritime bestseller. Yeah, this one. Yeah, so what happens to be here?

I don't know. I don't know. And he just finished his second book that is called, fatal conveniences. Which is going to be massive. And we're going to talk about that. So he's obviously also an author. And we'll talk more about you in a moment.

I wanted to move it on to the third person, which is Max Lugavir, who is just super smart and he's all about brain health. And actually, he'll tell you his whole story, how he kind of evolved his brand is called genius. So genius foods, was that enough to say? Yeah, yeah, there's a fair statement. A fair statement. And he's just exceptionally knowledgeable

about wellness, health, overall health, very articulate you're gonna hear in two seconds. So this is the panel you guys. And like I said, thank you all of you for being here tonight and supporting me and this book. I really appreciate it. So thank you. We're so proud of you. Yeah, we're so proud of you, Dan.

Thank you. Like, oh, now these people. Oh, no! I'm going to make you to make me blush. So, okay, so now I want to, so let's start on that lovely note. Great segue. So I don't know about your book though, have you talked about it yet in your podcast? I've been talking, I've been talking about it. You can get a bolder, live the life you want, night the life you get.

Yes, thank you, that's exactly. The book is called Bigger Better Bolder and we're going to start. So let me ask all three of you, what does boldness mean to you? Who wants to start Emily? So quirky. I'll ask Max if you want first. Max, Max. Okay, go ahead, Max.

What is boldness to you? Oh my God. I think it's just, it's like following, it's learning how to hone your, your own internal compass and to go boldly in that direction. I use the word in a sentence. Is that okay? That's good. And to go in that direction and to be...

And to not necessarily be fearless, I think what's so wonderful about courage is that, you know, what we see from like the icons that we look up to in mythology, whether it's on screen or throughout history, it's that fear always exists, but it's the courage ones who feel fear, but then go in that direction anyway. And so for me, it was really tackling the topic of nutrition and health for people. I was not a medical doctor. I didn't go down the path of academia, but I felt really entitled for answers for myself and for my family, which we can talk about why, but then I started to put out work

and I felt really empowered that I was living in a time where I was able to do that. And I could have said to myself, who am I? I'm not a medical doctor. I don't have the sort of formal education, but I know that I'm really passionate. I know that intellectually I have certain faculties that might predispose me to being good at what it is that I aspire to do. I just went in that direction.

Boldly. Because you are at current TV doing something different or are you reporting on? I've had a very interesting career. I've never had a resume. So from upon graduating college, I got a job working for Al Gore on TV. So I was put on TV post-graduation anchoring. And that's when we met anchoring a TV network that Al Gore owned. And so I was sort of like a journalist, producer, host, or whatever, and I was like in my

early 20s, and I did that for six or seven years. And sometime after that, I was at this point in my life where I both had trouble finding another job that I really felt passionate about, and my mom got sick. And that was really the turning point for me. It was the diagnosis of a form of dementia that my mom had incurred and that really kind of set me off on a completely different path than I ever would have thought I'd had gone down in my life. You know, something to do, and what you just said,

it's because I know you, but everyone always asks you very much about the about Alzheimer's and brain health and now about all these other nutritional things. It's interesting because you were super bold because like you said you don't have a medical background, but you were had a lot of passion and interest because of your mom in that direction. And you just kind of like you didn't think about it, you just went for it because it was something that innately you were really interested in doing. Yeah, I mean, I'm a realist and I regularly, I'm a very self-aware person, I regularly take stock and take inventory of my own faculties and I've tried a bunch of different, you know, I've tried a

lot of different things in my life and I've failed at a lot of different things. Where did you fail that? Well, I'm super passionate for one about music and there was a point where I tried to um, you know, I'm super, I'm super passionate for one about music and I, there was a point where I tried to like, you know, see, I didn't, I didn't, I'm not gonna say I tried to make it but I definitely tried to see if I had the chops to ascend in the, in the music world as like a singer-songwriter which is something that I really wanted to do. No way. You knew this. No, I knew you played guitar but I thought you just did it like at your house. Yeah, well, I didn't know you did this like at your house. Yeah, well, I didn't know you did that.

For your house. Girl, stop. I mean, that's too good. Yeah, that's what I thought you did. That's not false. But, no, I did. There was a point I was like making use of the fact that I took taking advantage of the fact that I lived in LA and I tried to do it.

And I realized, you know, very early on that, like, there are people that are doing this for whom there is no plan B, that are doing this from like the moment they are able to like learn to play an instrument, they're doing it from childhood, and that, like, that wasn't my thing, that I wasn't meant to do that. But then, I realized at a certain point that I was a fairly intelligent person. I was a good communicator proven by this incredible job that I had on TV, that I was a fairly intelligent person. I was a good communicator proven by this incredible job that I had on TV, that I was comfortable in front of the camera, that I had an aptitude for understanding and assimilating

research that I was really interested in this, that my brain is, we talked about this on my podcast, that my brain is like a light switch. When I'm interested in something, there's no stopping me in terms of like the depth that'll go. But you retain information really well. And then you can like.

Yeah, I have a very selective photographic memory. I don't know shit about the vast majority of topics. Like, I don't know anything about most things. But I know, but I have a photographic memory for the things that I'm really interested in. So it's like either, which are by the way, three things. But I know, but I have a photographic memory for the things that I'm really interested in. So it's like either like which are by the way three things. One is like cinema, music, and health. So. Well, it worked out for you. Yeah, it suits me really well. Right. Really well. And so how about you, darling Darren, what is boldness to you and how have you been bold in your life? Mmm, I mean that's a big one. It's really hard to kind of

GROCK IT, but I think it's definitely in the vein of what Max said in the sense that in spite of your monkey mind saying whatever and in even in spite of the world giving you any sort of feedback that you have this inner feeling, this inner sense, and you wrestle with that, and then you ultimately listen, hear it, and then take a step in spite of everything else. And so I think that, and cultivating that, by the way, still cultivate it every day, because it's way too distracting out here, and it blasts us every day.

So I think cultivating boldness is a practice, and it is a muscle. That's familiar, I went here to also. Yeah, yeah. And I think maybe there's people that through, I mean, hell, insecurity can create a massive amount of boldness, which is a superpower, right? Because you have to understand, like, from my perspective, this, this yin and yang, this light and dark of this world, this tragedy and happiness, they equally exist. So, the one hand pain and suffering and challenges are the propeller creating from your mom's challenges into like what I want to create. So it is the propeller and our feeble little minds barely grasp it, but in the reflection of trying to grasp it, you've come to realize that I come to realize

that it is a gift telling me and showing me the next step. And so it's like, you know, I lost my house in 2018, lost everything I owned, except a suitcase and the car that I drove to their port. And luckily my dogs were away. And you can't possibly understand that. You can't possibly get your head around that. However, through the grief and understanding, you realize that I realized that one of the greatest gifts of my life,

and there's no way I would change it. Do I want that for anyone? Fuck no, right? I mean, fudge, no. Fudge. Oh, this is going to be... It's going to be. So, so that poor devil, at least she's next to God.

Yeah, it's not all dirty. I opened up the door. Sorry. So I think, and I'll step on that, the step on the next step of, you know, the start of most of my career with the superfood hunting thing, that was when I lost my father in 2004. And I was playing around. I had physiology background nutrition background and I was playing around and looking at supplements and looking at why are people doing

this and there's some shitty, sorry, damn. You could say that. You could say that. There's some not good things in products and foods and everything else. And so I said, you know, my dad passed away and I got up, you know, just, you know, 15 grand from whatever was left in his will. And I started my company. And I said, I need to do actually do something with what I'm playing around with. And so that started me literally, I'm a small town kid from Minnesota. Like there's no part of me that would have thought I'd end up in the Amazon looking for medicinal plants.

And I literally did it innocently. And I was like, I was just like, I gotta know what's, what these things are. I gotta know what's in here. I gotta know who's creating it. I gotta know where it's from. It's curiosity then. Curiosity and so.

I think with you curiosity. And through again, through the pain, my dad passed away, what am I gonna do, quit messing around, just jump into something and do it. And then through that doing, I got basically a phone call serendipitously from Beachbody and I created one of their largest selling products of all time.

Of all time. Shakeology, by the way, for those of you who don't know. So I started that in 2006 and it launched in 2008. And, you know, it's like, can you make this shake for us? I'm like, sure. Like, I was playing around with this stuff and I just said yes. Unbelievable.

And so, yeah. So it's like, again, I think the being bold in the face of fear, in the face of challenge, in the face of, again, cultivating that inner kind of work to realize what's the propeller that's operating in me that wants to show me something, and then in spite of family and people and friends, I'm gonna freaking do it anyway, right? And that's the bold stuff. Vitamin water just dropped a new zero sugar flavor called with love. Get the taste of raspberry

and dark chocolate for the all warm, all fuzzy, all self-care, zero self-doubt you. Grab a with love today. Vitamin water's zero sugar, nourish every you. Vitamin water is a registered trademark of glass O. I love that. So curiosity is more or less the gateway to opportunity and being bold because we all had it, right? That's what really was. You were curious and you didn't let things deter you

from pushing forward and acting. Yeah, in order to get to that curiosity, you have to kind of, you know, clear some debris, right? You have to clear some understanding of yourself to realize that this creative curiosity is just, it's now got me. It's got me so involved. I have to, I have to learn more, I have to dig in. Okay, Em. All right, you're up. Boom, boom, boom. Well, I think it's interesting,

but all everyone's had here so far that I think that, where I think of the finding like the spark and finding that thing in your life that you just have to learn more about and that you're so curious about what you talk so much about in your book. That is the thing that boldness is a skill. And a lot of that, which I think was so fascinating

in your book too, because I've actually really going, pop, I'm so sorry. You said, I'm so bold and all the things I've done are really bold, but that it's like in these little places sometimes I'm like, oh, I could work on that skill asking for where I want even more and going after all those things. But for me, bold, when I think about it now

if this is going through really not being afraid of taking risks, but also knowing that it's when that spark happens, that you know that there's something that you have to do. And that's how I kind of felt about my field when I realized that there was no, that this was 18 years ago now. But really, there was no sex education out there. There wasn't a lot of information.

It was before I did start a podcast 18 years ago, believe it or not, there were podcasts. There was like three of us. Was I really just, who the who was? 2005, no, I mean, there was more than me. No, besides Dr. Ruth, at the time who, and Dr. Joyce Wathers, who also doing that. So besides sex, so when I went to talk about sex in 2005,

I realized I was always there. I love reading in your book, it's so Jen, like she was like five years old and peppering all of her mom's friends about like, you lived, you lived in a house, how much did you pay? Tell me about your relationship. How much money do you make? I was like, really? I'm like, but that's what Jen already does.

And that's why, but it's so infectious because she does it in such a loving way. When you get to be a friend of Jen, it's such a loving thing and she's actually asking because she's curious, but then she can kind of using your skills at too kind of help and support your very loyal friend and all the things. But in reading that I was reminded that I really was

like that from a young age to around sex, I would ask people about, not just sex, but I would meet a couple and I'd say, how'd you meet? How'd you fall in love? And I was like five or six or eight or 10. I'd always been really interested in romance and love. And what makes a happy couple,

what makes it not a happy couple? I'm glad my parents signed out like the family knew it's probably a new surprise. They were divorced. So that's kind of led up to it. I was like, oh, so some couples work house. I always had a lot of questions. And I was always very, very curious.

But then as I got older, I realized like sex was happening. So I was a heavy, I was a sexual being. And I realized it was really only Dr. Ruth. So 18 years ago, she was probably the only person that was not, you couldn't really Google it. It wasn't really on the internet. There was a few books. And so where I realized it, I wasn't really armed with the

knowledge about having, like, I thought it was good, but I'm like, couldn't it be a lot better than this? Because no one's talking about it. No one has any sex was talking about it. Either you had sex, you didn't have sex, and maybe it was good or bad. But even when people would say I had great sex last night, I used to like stop them in their tracks.

I'd be like, what do you mean by that? Like what do you mean by good sex? And I would literally send like back up like, good-bye, like did you have 18 orgasms, you know, sorry. I can do it whatever it's like, listen. So I'm gonna take my kids. It's 23. It's 23. I would break it down. I would break it whatever it's like. Listen, so I'm gonna take my kids. It's time to break it down.

I would break it down. Like, what do you mean? Because I don't understand. There's no barometer. Who tells you what's good and bad and so there was information. So I believe that that for me realized. I put love line where they around. Love line was around.

Okay. Who did love line? Adam Crowe. That was the only show that was out there. They were answering questions to people calling in. I grew up on the show. I was like obsessed with it. It was such a good show. Right. We didn't have it in San Francisco at the time, but it was before podcast, but when I moved here actually was that was the one show that I could point to that was doing it and that I was actually on at the last four years. Dr. Drew like hosting it,

which was a wonderful moment. I know that. I. I know, look at all these things. Oh my God, I'm gonna learn all these things, okay. So the point is like for me being bull, it was just about I felt that there was, it always became this passion, like you were both saying, like you have to find that spark in your life. And I know we won't be the first person to tell you that, but I could not not ask. Like I was like, I can't believe it.

No one's telling us kids are growing up, we go out in the world, they may have an exception. There was zero information. This has got to stop. So I did everything I could to educate myself and then I went back to school, got my doctorate. And again, at the time, like talking, but it was like that no one think that's a good idea. I gave him a career in politics. My mom'd be like, you have a really great career. Like, what are you doing, you know? Right, because you're doing politics in San Francisco. Yeah.

So how did you then like make the shift, that's a huge pivot, right? It was a pivot. I kept pivoting. So my thing, if anyone here is like, I don't know what I want to do yet. Like this is my second career at like 35. I was like, I don't know what I want to do.

But I knew when I was no longer passionate, I cannot fake it. So like the light bulb moment in your brain, like my light bulb, it goes out. Like I can be really passionate. And then when I'm not, I'm like, well, I will not be useful to anybody unless I constantly love what I'm doing.

And I'm passionate and I'm asking questions all the time. And that's what keeps me going. That is the fuel. So I was doing politics, but then I became really disillusioned by it. Because I was like, oh, it's all about fundraising. And that is not fun. I thought it was about, you know, making a difference in the world. So I realized at the time, I was like, I really want the right people to get elected. But then you got, you know, do the money things. And it was, that wasn't fun. I thought it was about making a difference in the world. So I realized at the time, I was like, I really want the right people to get elected, but then you got, you know, do the

money things, and it was, that wasn't fun. But then I made a documentary about politics, and I realized from there, I actually loved the process of getting people to open up, and I turned that into a podcast. Was there like a lot of, but so that was, so that was the first thing, then. You took, you went to school for it first, or you did a podcast first? I started the podcast, and I was not an expert in the field at all. I was like first thing, then. You went to school for it first, or did a podcast first? I went to school after. Well, I started the podcast, and I was not an expert in the field at all. I was like, well, I had some hands-on experience, but I was not a good expert.

I was a good expert. I was a good expert. I was a good expert. I didn't have a good, thanks, Jen. I had, you know, I didn't have a degree, didn't I? Right, everything I get my hands on, and I was talking to, and literally, I read hundreds of books. I asked everyone at Nazim grilled them really about their sex life, but no.

But then I think about three years in the podcast, people started asking me for advice. And although I had a lot of therapy and read a lot of books, I was like, I don't know about just going get my doctorate. So I did that after I started the podcast. And that was 12 years ago I got the doctorate. You know what I find so interesting that

like the people who become the most successful in their area, like you, like Max, and you, Darren, you Darren and you Emily like you didn't have the wherewithal like you were very naive about the how it would happen and because of that like I like I say this like naivety is a strength right because what you what you don't know doesn't stop you from going and trying something right so if you know too much information you think about all the things and why you shouldn't you You're not tatley. You don't have the experience, you don't have the talent, you don't have the wherewithal, but having none of it actually is how you become successful. Yeah, I love that you flip all that the two about also your book about being mediocre. I'm like, that's awesome. You're right. That

has been a skill set. It has been a strength. Like, I wasn't one of the all-a students in school. I was like, no, it's like, that being the best. I wasn't one of the all-A students in school. I was like, no, it's like Mary Mediocre, but I wanted to figure out what else I wanted to do. So yeah, I mean, you just, you had that cure. You had that interest. And I knew that I also being someone who's focused as a challenge, I knew that if I am not completely

into something, I'm out. And you know when you lose my attention and you're now, you're not sex is like, and relationships and dating and love, and it's not at all sex, but that's endless. Like think about it. It's like there's so much to unpack about like other people educating you about so my own life, like it's just, you know, it's like health.

You're never done learning about like health. It's still health, it's sexual health. Yeah, sexual health, we are all what, we are one. So important. Exactly, exactly. So then how come you think in your industry especially, there hasn't been that many thought leaders come out from it, even though it's becoming much more popular

and people are talking about it more and there's all these different versions of it. But still, you're still in the top tier. I mean, I think that there's a lot of shame around it. I think there's a lot of fear and there's a lot of people who still kind of trying to figure it out. And I think also to be honest,

a lot of people just think that they, and I can't think this is changing with a different younger generation. But I think people believe that if you have to talk about sex or work on your sex life, that there's something like wrong with you and that there's so much shame in embarrassing because we don't see it in our culture anywhere that there's just people are thinking

I don't know my own stuff how am I going to go out and figure it out and I think there's not a lot of places to go look literally they're not a lot of grad school I mean there's again starting now more so but there was not a lot of places to go to learn more maybe perhaps but I hope I mean I hear from a lot of young people all the time who are getting into this field. So I think it's wonderful. But I think, again, it's stress, trauma, shame, fear, religion. There's a lot of reasons I think why people don't venture into it, even for themselves.

They only want to go in and think of, like, who am I as a sexual being? That's just off limits for many people, too, because of unresolved challenges. And society isn't actually backing you up saying like come on let's learn in like schools teach it for half a day right by your with your gym teacher like you think it's a cliche but everyone's like oh yeah that was my gym teacher that was actually right at that show I was thinking yeah it was my gym so what do they know like they just have a big

gym did I guess you can also on the floor I don't know why they did a gym did that happen though did you feel like you're getting asked more? True. You know what it is, that's true actually. Half a day, about like this thing. That's like really, really important. No, that's true. I got taught on a VHS tape for like two hours or like split into two by my gym teacher.

Right, exactly. It's like don't get pregnant, don't get an SDD, have a nice life. Yeah, and see ya. Exactly. You know it's 100% true now that you say that. It's actually true. Really, and then when you're young, you're told, oh, it's just a coveted thing that you're going to get to do when you're adult, and then you do it.

You're like, I don't know what I'm doing. I guess it's OK. I think many people have experience than there one else talks about it. Anyway, so it's bold, just to even just be here. And we talk about it now. Exactly. It's very bold that you're actually but the two of you Man are sitting on the stage with Emily. You're very bold and very I mean to be doing this

I told I try to introduce you guys like years ago Anyway, not like that. I mean like as friends I do guys seriously. I didn't mean it like that. So let's go back to you, Darren. OK, so Segway into you. Where do you go from there? Tell us about some bull. I do go from there.

I do. I don't even know what to ask you from after that. Everday, I was so great. You're leading her, so you're saying how? Listen, I think, I just, like, there is so much there, and I think just to make a comment on it, it's like, there's no, but the shame around sex and the dirtiness, just, you know,

and the religious kind of connotations around it is just painted this horrible kind of situation. And so I applaud you for boldly going where very few people will go. Captain Kirk. So I'm dating myself. No, you're not. I got it.

But, yeah, so I mean it's how to you know that again That's kind of excavating What's self to right? Can I help you do it? But can I go ahead? We can't say to anything guess we've all done really bold things and I think like who but what I love I want to bring back to your book for a minute. Of course. She's such a good friend No, but I love I actually read a glint shit I texted you lesson that I gotta be bolder. Cause I'm bold every day. I do big bold things.

But sometimes I self-doubt, I hold myself back. This is bold, to say all of you. Like I'm not, I'm bold, but I have a lot of, maybe I don't do the 10 tries or whatever your 10 second 10% target. I'm like, I don't write a book, though, good for you. I do. But like your target of like keep going,

like I think that what I love about your book is that it's like that boldness is a skill that you can cultivate, which I never thought about that way. If you're born bolder or not, and there are some ways you're bold, but there's other ways that really in thinking about getting what you want in life, and when you're even just the cover,

you're like don't live the life you get. I'm like, oh God, what am I just accepting right now that I, you know what I think is a friend? You do push me there sometimes. So I appreciate that. That bold is like just a, I think as a friend, you do push me there sometimes. So I appreciate that. That bold is like just a, I love that we, we were all doing cool things, but like they, day to day sometimes,

I don't maybe always ask for things that I need like professionally or I don't. I hold myself back in ways where I overthink it. Overthink it. What do you say like the overthink is like the enemy of boldness? It is. Well, I think we are too smart. You tend to overthink things.

Right, right. But I've got some mediocre in smile, I've realized, but. Well, I think we are too smart. You tend to overthink things. Right. Right. Because you think about the things. But I'm not so mediocre in smile, I realize. I mean, being mediocre is, I told you, it's a superpower. It is. No, but I love the bonk to do.

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Simply buy Fiver more participating items and save a dollar each with your card. Kruger, fresh for everyone. So then, what would you say, what kind of boldness, where in your life, Max, would you have to say that you have to work on your bold area? Could you be bold in one area in your life and not to bold in another area? What would you have to say that you have to work on your bold area? Could you be bold in one area in your life and not to bold in another area? What would you say? Well, I jumping off what Emily...

Everyone wants to talk to what Emily has, that's succeed. No, it's good. Again, to allude to, I think oftentimes we get in our own way. And for me, somebody who's very creative and even though my work focuses on health science and nutrition, I very much consider myself an artist, and my work and sort of outgrowth of my artistic tendency. And I think, as an artist, you tend to be,

I don't know if others in the audience feel this way, but I feel very like precious about anything that I create. And that's like something that I've always felt. I'm going to put something out into the world that has to be amazing. It has to be something that I consider to be perfect. But when you're first getting started with any kind of creative endeavor, there is the tendency, of course, to let perfect be the enemy of the good.

And as they say at Facebook, you know, Don is better than perfect. And so just, you know, for example, with me and my podcast, which I launched in 2018, I never thought that I never, actually at the beginning when I launched it, I didn't think that I was any good as a host. I didn't think that it was going to be successful. I very much thought at the time that there were

enough podcasts, you know, like what, does the world need like another one? Yeah, another guy with a podcast like. And, uh, Apparently it did. Yeah, well, I mean, I, I, I, I basically, I followed like a formula and it's not a formula that I discovered on any website or any, you know,

hidden like back channel. I, it was just like consistency and it was about not letting perfect be the enemy of the good and just putting out the content and realizing that with the process comes eventually mastery. You know, whether or not you can see the end of the tunnel with whatever, whatever it is that you aspire to do. You know, you're sort of like, I think of it as being sort of like a minor and a coal mine. Like as long as you stay focused on like the chipping away

of what's in front of you, there is an end. Even though even if you can't see it, like for me, I was never, I never would have predicted that I would have written a book, let alone a book that would go on to become like a global, you know, New York Times bestseller, anything like that. And then the first one. Three, what was the first oneseller, anything like that. And then the first one.

Three, what was the first one? Was it Genius Food? Genius Food was the first one. That was massive. So I'm not even to say that because to be polite, if you haven't read it, it's amazing. That's how I first met you. Yeah, that was the first book.

And the second one? The Genius Life, which came out March 2020, which was, yeah, not the best time to play a book. So yeah, it's sort of the middle child. And then, and I love it, nonetheless. And then this is the third book that came out this year called Genius Kitchen, which is a cookbook. But yeah, I never would have thought. Ever, ever, ever would have anticipated that this would be my career. Because what I've always been focused on, I don't know if it was like, you know,

something that was just intuitively that I knew to do, but I just stayed focused on, stayed focused on like the chipping away of what was like immediately in front of me. But you also knew, I remember like, let's talk about like the social media part and digital and all that, because you had to kind of evolve and grow these businesses.

So even if that was your world, you have to become well-known in social media. And you kind of grew pretty fast, right? Like your... On social media? Yeah. Yeah, everything kind of grew separately but in tandem. The social media thing for me, there was something that clicked for me with social media where I completely relinquished

the desire to appear cool on social media. And- And you had an opinion, you have an opinion on there too. Yeah, but it wasn't even about expressing my opinion. I became solely focused on adding value. That's it. And putting out free content. Because I knew that I would eventually grow following

and that I'd be able to do something with that following. But I think when I first got on social media, I aspired to just look cool and look like a guy who's doing cool things. And at a certain point, I just that like, that completely went out the window. And I just, I started thinking in terms of how can I create content that is going to create value for whoever gives enough about what I have to say.

And that's what I did. The minute that that clicked in my brain, it was like night and day. It was like a switch. And my following started to grow, like, really quickly after that. Yeah, and now I feel like you have, like, switch. And my following started to grow, like really quickly after that. Yeah, and now I feel like you have, like you picked a lane, sort of speak, right?

Like people know when they go to you, what to expect. Yeah. Right, same with you Emily, like they know what to get when they know what they're gonna get when they come to you. So you're very deliberate. Same thing, I wanna provide value. And yeah, max, maybe I go to his Instagram, like I wanna eat broccoli now

I want to sell or a mistake his face and the steak I'm like okay, I'll do that I love that it was very so meet whatever was grass bad And broccoli's brought yeah, bro I love it all the same Yeah, it was good max is good so I yeah so for me. Yeah, very specific. I want people to But it's been a lot you know a lot of people to figure out what works. And like for a while, I didn't like, if I post a picture of me, like everyone's like,

pictures of you do great. I'm like, yeah, but that's not, I don't talk about me. And like that was early, you know, a few years ago. I was like, I really want people, that was a separate thing. I really didn't want it to be about me per se. I was like, even though it's such a them playing the title,

I think that if it helps people listening to my voice and the podcast and all that, but if you're like thinking about social media, it's like, I definitely want every post to educational, every podcast, I want people to take something away from it and do the action and it's actionable. Yeah, and same with you, so Darren, you kind of went from being the super food hunter

to then like having like a major show on Netflix, and now this news, can I talk about the news show? No. Well there is and yeah there is a new show we just can't talk about. Oh okay well okay. We can give any information. Okay what's gonna be huge okay I'm telling you no but you really made like and you got into all this other stuff like how did you go so deep into the weeds with like this new book coming out and all of that stuff? You became very much like the spokesman for things that are helpful. Yeah, powerful and helpful. So this second book is called Fatal Conveniences.

We're all holding one of them right now and that's the phone. So they're so great, they're so convenient, but they all have a little rub. You put that up to your head, the electromagnetic fields, which by the way, in the fine print, I'm not going to go too much in this. It comes to both. The fine print says it should not be closer than 9 inches to your body. And everyone's got it and their bras or their pockets. And it's very clear. And then I'll just leave it.

Thanks very clear. That it turns on reactive oxygen species. So that's, it's a free radical igniter. It suppresses the immune system. And it creates a whole lot of response and of neutering in the reproductive system. So it's a really bad thing. And again, so there's things, so the whole book is not about just to poo poo everything, because believe me, the whole, so why I got into that was, again, there's like, safe sleep, right? There's things you can do for it. But my father suffered.

He was part of the Naval Academy, or the Naval Fleet in the Cuban Missile Crisis, and he worked on Atomic Bums, and he got exposed to a lot of radiation. And so, his immune system was shot. So by the time I could realize, like, he he was taking thyroid medication and then in the 90s, he developed chemical sensitivity. So his immune system couldn't deal with normal stuff like deodorants and shampoos.

And so I was in college, so he's sending me these care packages. Hey, you're coming home this weekend. You need to shower with this. You need to put this deodorant on. And I was like, what the fuck is this in his head? And so he was a professor. So he was very making VHS tapes, trying to educate his whole world around him.

And then the more I realized, I started looking into it. So it affected me then. So the book is dedicated to him. And I just kept pulling those strings. And the thing is it's all out in the open. I'm not making this up. It's like cosmetics and personal care items. There is air Air pods, like you were talking about your phone. Yeah, the Bluetooth. You were never... Never. And this guy is like, this guy, he practices what he preaches. He's not just saying it from like, it is 100%.

You like live, live and breathe. Everything that you talk about. Yeah, but I mean, a thing is it's not to be overwhelmed. There's always a better solution, right? There's always a better solution. There's a better solution for the phone. I think the AirPods and the phone because everyone here uses it.

Yeah, never, ever put your phone up to your head. Ever under any... How about the AirPods though? So there's Bluetooth, I would never put those in your ear canals and just sit there. Because that's just a lower voltage of the same frequency of the cell phone. Right? And it already shows that it's dangerous.

So you can use air tubes for your, you can plug it back in. So I have a hashtag plug everything back in. Everything. So if the one side would just plug everything back in. And just if you use a speaker phone, if you're alone, just use a speaker phone, don't, so there's always a solution for this stuff. Can you give us one other one that's very...

Dental floss. Really? Yeah, so dental floss, that damn stuff that's so slippery and it fits between the teeth really well. The thin film, and it's like, so that shit is PFAS. So it's a, it's a, the grandfather of PFAS is Teflon. So DuPont made that so it slips in between your teeth and it is a proven carcinogenic.

Really? To your kidney. All of the zentiphas, is there other good or the other good or the other good or the other good or the other good or the other good or the other good or the other good? Well, wax is at the wax one, it's not good. I mean, you can, you know, you can bamboo and charcoal and wax and you can get, do you do diligence on that stuff? But any of that shit that's like, again, it's a hell of a convenience, right?

Yeah. It doesn't, you know, you mess up your,ums and everything else, but like for me, I use a regular one, I just wet it first. And I'm like, that's good. A regular one, wouldn't you mean a regular one? Yeah, just so a nice, clean one that doesn't have that PFAS on. I just wet it first, and then it slips in between the two. And it's good.

It's just a dry floss. It's just a dry floss. So. That was so creepy. And then it was like, She's a dry floss. She's just a dry floss. So. That was so creepy. And then it was so creepy. It should see her face. I feel like a rather rather get the kidney cancer. Yeah.

That's what I'm saying. Oh my god. It's like, okay, so give us one other one, one more. I think that's why I think this book is gonna be so massive because I think everyone is fascinated by it. The good news is there's just great products that you can replace this.

Give us one more. You can't just be two. Well, clothing. Clothing. Like, most of it is synthetic fiber and petroleum. So you're wearing oil, right? Drill the hides, for mill the hides,

thalates are all endocrine disruptors. So if you look at all of this stuff, they're doing three major things. Again, they're neutering you. Again, and you gotta think about, think about your children. Okay, like here's another one that I would say never Put throwaway diapers on a child. Ever, because that's around their private parts. And... Oh, that is the job. Exactly, right? And it's very clear that it's affecting their hormonal system immediately.

Plus, the big rub is 200 known chemicals, most of which are carcinogenic, are already in the umbilical cord of every mother giving birth today in the United States. Really? So all of this stuff, from the paints to the carpets to the sprays that make the room smell good, all of this stuff is absolutely gnarly. So my point to this whole thing is you may not feel your suffering, but your suffering. You're in it, your body's being exposed to it, and over time you're like, why do I have a headache? Why do I not have the energy? Where is my

testosterone? Right? You go to these bio-act conferences, everyone's talking about testosterone. They're run around with freaking weird ass clothes and tight clothes and Bluetooth and monitoring devices. I'm like, oh my god. Oh my god. And then they're like, yeah,

I'm like, just got my testosterone checked. I'm like, oh my god, you guys are crazy. So I think it's an elephant in the room in our society. It's an elephant in the room in our, you know, listen, 2.7% of the United States are deemed healthy by the male clinic. 2.7% of all people are actually deemed healthy. So we are sprinting towards our own demise.

These things, the point to the whole of this whole thing is to expose these systems that we have in place that we're apathetic towards. I wanna just shake you a little bit to go like, oh, I can still floss my teeth. I just don't need to put chemicals in my mouth and be absorbed by my body or my children or and also toothpaste, right? Okay

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And I know that he doesn't like, honestly, he's super particular with every single company he works with because I work with him and he won't work with anybody and it's serious. Well, it's serious that you're very serious. And it's just over time. You just do this over time. So you don't get overwhelmed but you just take one step at a time. And you're boldly putting it out there

to the world. Yeah, it sucks with the creative stuff like this. You have no idea. I'm like, and I'm talking to the publisher and going, you sure you want that title? You sure you want fatal convenience. Yeah, we love it. You sure I don't know if anyone's gonna wanna look at this stuff.

What do you mean everyone loves that stuff? But that's the thing, anything creative. Even the TV shows that come out, you're going, oh fuck, they edited that out. This shows it's gonna suck. Like I said all the stuff that cut this shows it's gonna suck like like I would didn't I said all the stuff that cut all that out you're like I don't know do they kind of know because they don't want to kind of cause it's a million

reasons yeah you have no idea and so it's like if any book you put it out there you just go okay I just got to keep going I just get put it out and I guess gotta keep going and just take it however it goes and that's life man It's like you know anything happens in life. It's like have have the conversation with your partner about sex foot socks Like have those radical honest conversations that's bold Everyone's avoiding direct eye communication conversations. It's a plague. That's the frickin' pandemic, right? We need to interact, look at each other, be honest and open and caring, but honest, truly, right? So we can have a real conversation. So that's what I love about you. There's no bullshit,

it's just that's Jennifer. And then she creates creates a space because she again going back to her book. She is this book And I don't care if you're if you feel you're successful or Know what you want to do. You're gonna gain and garner something from this book just like Emily, right? You go through this thing going. Oh my god. I totally failed Right or or on any moment, right? Where I'm like, I don't want to do that. And I'm like, do it, right? Yeah, and it's a practice too.

Like what I loved is how really you are too, the way that your book, because I did, you're not at the Mark Wahlbworth thing, you're like, you saw him somewhere and you're like, you've gone up there and been bull. I still think about that. Rejection.ion over regret. I mean, I'm just talking about the rejected and regret. Yeah, you don't want to be like,

what else am I going to do? Like, what is the word? You have everything of what's the worst thing that can happen? What's the worst that can happen? And the worst thing that happens and then I was also really something about that like, like some study

about like most people, maybe it was in your book. Then most people like, they do, like you say, when you regret the shots you don't take, I guess that's part of it. But like we, people in their deathbed are literally saying, like I just regret that I didn't do these things, not what they did. They're like, I can't believe I made that phone call

and asked for that, whatever it is that raise or that person to call me or that person to talk to me or I made that move, it's more about like beating yourself or not doing things. Like, she's referring to something that's, yeah, thank you. Because she's referring to this thing I always talk about, rejection over versus regret. And I always rather be rejected versus having regret.

Because rejection, you feel it and it hurts, but then it kind of fades away after a while. And regret, that lives with you all the time. And so I always pick rejection over regret anytime. And rejection you can learn from. And you can learn from it. And also a lot of times with that rejection comes another thing that you never even knew existed

by just, you know, but you don't know that at the time, but it shows itself later on down the road. And you realize how often to keep yourself safe because you don't want to feel rejection, but then you realize that the more you do it, like really what is the, so you get rejected. But then you realize the more you do it, like really what is the, so you got rejected. Like, exactly.

What's the worst that can happen? And then it's a muscle. Have you ever been rejected, Max? Never. No. Man, bajillion times, yeah. I'm actually in the process right now of being rejected. Being rejected.

I'm being rejected. See you, Max. No. No. No, all the time, I mean, that's part of the reason why I decided to build my own, you know, empire, so to speak, because I came through the Hollywood system. And then when I, when I, when my job ran its course, you know, the Al Gore network thing and I tried to leverage that job into a career, I found myself like being thrown against brick walls over and over and over again.

I signed with like a major agency and it ended up not working out. Like none of the jobs that they put me up for was I booking, they ended up dropping me. It was like, yeah, it was like, it was actually like that saying like when life falls apart. That moment for me there was a year where like my agent dropped me.

I wasn't making any money. I felt like I had deferred, like the young adult, what am I doing with my life thing because I had that job but I wasn't able to transition it to a career. And then my mom got sick. So for me, I mean, that was the lowest of the low

that I've ever experienced in my life. I mean, it was a pretty dark time. But from that, you know, like, I mean, that's a beautiful thing about hitting rock bottom. So there's only, you can only go up from there, right? That's true. So, so yeah, so that was it. And even right now, like, I mean, with all the things that I've... This is rock bottom for you?

No, now is not rock bottom. I'm very, I'm very grateful, but I'm still getting rejected like I you know I'm One of the projects that I'm working on that I'm really excited about is a documentary that I've been working on for eight years Yeah, so it's been this like labor of love Lots of rejection over the course of of of eight years to get it done and like a Major pain project. I did a Kickstarter campaign for it eight years ago and the backers are like, when's this film coming out?

Did you just take all the money and like use it to fund your lifestyle? You fraud. Oh my God. Like a very small, a very small tiny, tiny, tiny proportion of the 1800 people that contributed to it are like really evil. And these people contributed like the least. Of course, always that way. It's like a $5 donor to the Kickstarter campaign

eight years ago, they're like, you're like really, really terrible. And those are the kinds of comments that I have to like. Oh my God. It's fine. It's fine. I've got this amazing project. I'm super, super excited about it.

You can take $5. I'll give you $5 for the Kickstarter. I can't even refund them because half of their credit cards are like not active anymore. Seriously? Yeah, you can, like in the Kickstarter thing, you can go and refund backers, but only if their credit cards are active. Otherwise, you have to like reach out to them, which I don't want to do.

But we're now in the process of, but it's fine. We've got this amazing film after eight years, and we're in the process of, but it's fine. We've got this amazing film after eight years and we're in the process of submitting it to Film Festival. It's my hope to, yeah. Oh, it's fun. Yeah. Oh. Thank you.

But like, you know, not every Film Festival is going to like accept it. No. So it's just a, it's just a, Can you go back on Joe Rogan and talk about it? Maybe. He was on Joe Rogan. He was on Joe Rogan and Max. And it was. He was on Joe Rogan. He was on Joe Rogan.

He was on Joe Rogan. And it was one of those most shared episodes. I saw that. I was so proud of you. So proud. Thank you. I know I need you. That's a big one.

It's very big. And also, you're very articulate and you're very good at getting some message that can be complicated out to the layman's person. And so that's why I think I love your information and your content and you. Thank you. No, you're so sweet. I'm obsessed with health and nutrition.

And I come at it from a place of, I think authenticity because it really is motivated by the fact that my mom was sick and I aspire to not suffer the same fate that my mom suffered. And to have, if I'm able to have any impact on others that I care about and the world at large, I mean that to me would be a dream.

And so for me it really is about understanding as much as I possibly can and then sharing that information out with people. And I've found this interesting zone for myself where I'm doing all the things that I feel like I'm meant to do. And you're so good at it. Thanks, but it's taken, you know, I get a lot of, well, I was going to ask the panel, like, how do you deal with naysayers?

Because I mean, not, you know, for me, the bigger you get in any area, right, you get hate, right? Like, and it's, I think important to remember that there are freaking people that hate Disney world. There are people that hate pizza, you know, like, they're going to be haters, right? As long as you're doing anything of note like there is gonna be haters. So So yeah, I mean even today like even after rowing everything all the positive feedback that I get I still get a lot of like I mean, I they hate me because you're eating meat because I know

Darren hates you because No, well you meet me. No, well, you meet me occasionally. Yeah. He's a major vegan, Darren, and Max, it's not. That's it. But we respect each other. But we love each other nonetheless. Yeah, yeah.

Exactly. But yeah, it's always interesting. How do you handle it? Because you seem like a sensitive type a little bit, you know? Like, how do you handle it? Do you not? You don't like it, obviously. Well, I am sensitive, but I, uh, sensitive type a little bit, you know? Like how do you handle it? You don't like it, obviously.

Well, I am sensitive, but I'm able to take my ego out of it, because I have what Jordan Peterson calls a noble aim, you know? It's something larger than myself that I do this work for. And I think it's really important for you to find that, whatever that happens to be. That's like a really important part of the puzzle.

I like that. Is there any, I think we gotta wrap, yeah, I gotta wrap this up. They probably want us out of here and I'm just drawing on and on over here, but this has been very fun. And again, I am so appreciative to all three of you guys for coming out here and supporting this book launch

and Can you guys just all quickly say how people can find you and all your stuff? Yeah, so I'm Max Lugovir I'm very active on Instagram and I have a podcast called the Genius Life So if you listen to podcasts come over we talk about fitness and nutrition. It's great. It's in the top, health in the world, in the top five in the world all the time. So you should definitely listen.

He's got great content. And the books. Oh yeah, books, genius kitchen. They have a bunch of copies here. I can't believe that. Who are? I love it. Being bold, gotta be bold.

Yeah, gotta be bold. Yeah, go ahead, Darren. You're current. Hey, I got a bold. Yeah. Go ahead, Darren. Yeah, Darren O'Lean on all the platforms, DarrenOlean.com, The Darren O'Lean Show, Super Life, and pre-order is the fatal convenience. Already on pre-order? Already?

Yeah, it may come down, may it be. Nice. Wow, I'll order a copy. Me too. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay. Sex with Emily and all platforms, all social media,

the podcast is sexwithemlaisexademla.com. You can also pre-order my book, like, Saturday's dates. Yeah, it's called Smart Sex. And it's called Smart Sex. How to Up-Level your sex IQ and own your pleasure because I've developed a whole new way of thinking about sex called sexual intelligence.

I released two podcasts a week. I've been heading into my 18th year. I've, that was in the podcast. If you've had a question about sex, dating marriage, love, relationships, date, all the things, I've had a podcast about it for a short. I'm sure, don't. If you have any questions, you can also find me DM me

and all the things. It's all at sex, definitely. Also, she has a really famous master class that she did. The platform in the master class platform, learn from a world's best. The world's best. I was like, all the best is that happened. I was like, oh God, that's a lot of pressure

in the bedroom, Jesus. But yeah, you can check that out too, my master class in sex. That's true. A lot of other in the bedroom, Jesus. But yeah, you can check that out too, my master class in sex. That's true, a lot of other things come in soon. Yeah, check it. Right, and they both, Darren and Emily, both handed in their new book this week. Yeah, so that's amazing.

Let's go! Thank you guys. Thank you. So thank you, guys. And first, let's give it up to the Bulldog. Thank you, beautiful. Thank you. Yay!

Yay! Thank you. Bulldog. Thank you. Beautiful. Thank you. Yay. Yay. Wow. What about you, Jen? What's your take away book? What's my takeaway? What's my takeaway? Exercise, you've all been doing nights. They have a workbook.

What's your favorite thing in here? It's a good book. What's my condition, man? She's got bull moves. Get it, but it's. I do. I have a lot of bull moves. But you've got to get the book and see for yourself. OK, get the book. Do the workbook in the book. She's got ball moves. Get it, boys. I do. I have a lot of ball moves, but you've got to get the book

and see for yourself. You're the workbook in the ball. We're not telling you. Yeah. It's basically a blueprint for people who want to be bolder in their lives. It's very actionable. It's very practical.

And you can integrate it today. So pick one up if you haven't had a chance yet, too. So that's it. Woo. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, guys. Woo!

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