Habits and Hustle - Episode 342: The Interplay of Fitness, Attraction, and Dating In Today’s World with LA-Based Fitness Trainer, Liron Kayvan

Episode Date: May 3, 2024

Join me and my friend Liron, a fitness coach from Los Angeles, as we discuss the complex relationship between fitness trends, body image, and attracting potential partners. We share personal stories and insights into how men and women design their workout routines in hopes of gaining attention from the opposite sex. We reveal how looks and health intersect in the social environment of the gym.  We also talk about the concept of "parallel play" at the gym, which is a unique way for people to work out individually while still experiencing a sense of community. This shows the multi-faceted nature of modern workout culture. We also explore cultural beauty standards and how they influence relationships. We look at how subjective attraction can lead people to pursue a "trophy" partner, and the potential judgments that can arise from relationships with large age gaps. We discuss dating preferences, examining how much weight men and women place on physical attributes versus qualities like security and confidence, which could be the ultimate universal attraction. Don’t miss this episode as we give our thoughts on how dating apps have revolutionized the search for companionship, but may also complicate the path to lasting connections. Liron Kayvan founded BFLA in 2019. He’s a NASM Certified Group Fitness Instructor, Personal Trainer, and Transformative Life Coach. Liron has competed in Amateur MMA, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and Rugby and has been a Fitness Coach for over 10 years. What we discuss:  (00:01) Fitness Trends and Body Image Beauty (12:31) Cultural Beauty Standards and Relationships (17:54) Men and Women's Preferences in Dating Thank you to our sponsor: Therasage: Head over to therasage.com and use code Be Bold for 15% off To learn more about Liron Kayvan:  Website: https://www.beyondfitnessla.com/  Instagram: @beyondfitnessla Find more from Jen: Website: https://www.jennifercohen.com/ Instagram: @therealjencohen Books: https://www.jennifercohen.com/books Speaking: https://www.jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagements Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hi guys, it's Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits and Hustle. Crush it! Before we dive into today's episode, I first want to thank our sponsor, Therisage. Their Tri-Lite panel has become my favorite biohacking thing for healing my body. It's a portable red light panel that I simply cannot live without. I literally bring it with me everywhere I go. And I personally use their red light therapy to help reduce inflammations in places in my body where honestly I have pain. You can use it on a sore back, stomach cramps, shoulder, ankle. Red light therapy is my go-to.

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BeBold for 15% off. This code will work site-wide. Again, head over to Therasage.com and use code BeBold for 15% off any of their products. This is gonna, I'm so excited about this episode. Okay, this is Fitness Friday with Friends and why I love this episode, it's about men and women and what's attractive to the opposite sex and what women want, what men want. We talk about this sometimes and I believe this is kind of like health fitness because it's about like, I hate to say it, but

it's a little bit about like your aesthetics, your vanity, like how women train, how men train, what women are doing because they think that they're gonna attract a men more and vice versa. Like I love all this stuff. So let's talk about this. So my guest today is my friend Lerone. He is a fitness personal coach, a fitness coach, strength training coach in LA. And he lives nearby me and I asked him to come here and be my friend today. She had no other friends once. Once every 10 years it happens.

Exactly. And you know, Leroy and I used to like, we used to kind of work out together a little bit, but we became more friends than anything. We used to work out equinox, we saw each other. We actually, we worked out beside each other really, more than working out together. We did like one or two exercises together. Show me something, I'll show you something. Yeah, exactly. That's how friends are made in the fitness world. That's true, right? That is like, we actually like parallel play, you know, kids are playing. And same with the fitness friends, right? Like you parallel workout.

You still have your routine. So like, you know, you're probably one or two things, but like, you're not going to throw your whole thing out. Exactly. Like I'm not really bothering you in your workout. You're not really bothering me in my workout. Parallel play, that's what it is. It is, it's like parallel play. But for fitness, like fitness play, like it's exactly the same thing. But you were actually, you kind of like worked out with my friend and that's how I kind of met you. You like parallel played with her a little bit. Well, didn't you parallel play? Okay, well, no, you did. That's not like a euphemism for something else. You parallel played, like you worked out beside each other.

No, I'm definitely a parallel player in general. A hundred percent. Cause I like my, I like, I do things my way. You too. Like I like to, I'm very social, but it's, I don't know, maybe it's a Gemini thing if you believe in that stuff, but I like, I'm very social, but then I also have a very strong sense of like, this is what I wanna do.

And you know, I'm like that with everything, not just fitness. It's not just fitness? No, yeah, it's a personality trait. Just a personality trait, okay. I'm like that with fitness actually, like I'll work out with you, no problem, but I wanna get my own shit done first.

Yeah, for sure. You know, like let me work out first and then we can do whatever. Yeah, it might also be a high achiever thing. You know, like someone just, yeah. I think more driven people are like that. They don't just like, otherwise you're, you're like a leaf in the wind. You know, you're going everywhere.

This person's doing this and then you're jumping on this new fad and you know, you lose your part. You know what's funny? Because a lot of my friends who are like really into health, like really into like fitness and like all the things like that, They also don't love to work out with people. Like I'll say to people thinking it'd be like a nice social thing, you know, like, hey, let's, you know, we can talk, we can work out together.

And more often than not, they're like, nah, let me just do my own thing. Why don't we meet after for coffee? You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure, we're after for coffee, 100%. Like we're gonna shake after. And I thought, okay, that's actually way more preferable for me. I just try to be friendly.

But I think a lot of people who take their fitness seriously do feel that way. But I think it's a really great gateway drug, so to speak, for people who aren't... They don't love fitness. They don't love to work out. And it's a really great way to get people to exercise is to do it with your friends and like motivate each other. So if you're somebody who doesn't love working out or you need to start a program and you need to get that kick in your ass or that little bit of motivation, definitely you know try doing it with a friend and then use like a goal like say you know let's train for this half marathon or for something

because then it keeps you engaged. Oh yeah. So that's a quick little tip. Yeah, a little tidbit. Okay, so in the last episode, we started to talk about, actually we're talking about training styles for men and women, like how women like to train, how men like to train, and it kind of went into this whole other conversation about like what women think men want and men like,

you know, aesthetically, and what men think women like aesthetically. And you're saying that like women usually think that the skinnier they are, the more attractive that they are to men, which is actually quite the contrary, right? Even though, do you remember like in the 80s the more attractive that they are to men, which is actually quite the contrary. Right. Even though, do you remember like in the eighties when Kate Moss was, you know, she was like the hottest thing in the world. I was born in 88, but yeah. Okay.

Wait, no nineties. She was not, she was in the nineties. Sorry. Nineties. Kate Moss was the English one. Yeah. Who like went off the rails and stuff. I don't know.

I think so. She was like the Calvin Klein model. She dated Johnny Depp. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Calvin think so. She was like the Calvin Klein model. Yes, very, very skinny. She dated Johnny Depp. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Calvin Klein models, yeah. She made that waif look like really popular. Yeah. And so every girl thought that that was like the way to go.

Yeah. And when I was a first personal trainer, that's what everyone wanted. All the women came and they said, I just want you to turn me into this like lamppost. And I was like, okay, sure. Right. But then let me say this, over time things evolved and Kim Kardashian became really popular and then like having a really big butt was like the biggest thing in the world. And that's what everyone wanted. And they still, I mean, like it's still, it's kind of like losing it's like, it's kind of losing its cache. I don't know if that word, it's kind of losing its like status or like cache or like

people like are now like kind of the pendulum is kind of swinging the other way again. But everything like is cyclical, like decades, you know, like either it's the look as being a wave, being voluptuous, like Marilyn Monroe was very voluptuous. And now we're kind of like in that, like, you know, big butt, small waist and people are getting those Brazilian butt lifts. And I think we're in a dangerous time because this is something in human history that's never happened before, many things actually, but in the fitness slash fashion world, it's fake bodies, it's plastic bodies.

And that is, I think, dangerous. So I said this on the last episode where I've seen a lot of women who are naturally very beautiful, or even just like, whatever, sevens, eights, nines, even sixes, whatever. Doesn't matter. Wherever they are, they had their natural beauty. And then they were just like, I'm gonna just, I wanna be like whoever, famous person, dot dot dot. And they became plastic.

They got a fake butt or fake lips or fake whatever. And they instantly dropped down. And usually women don't recover from that. I'm saying this as a man. Yeah, tell me. Okay, is that more of an LA thing or I heard... I don't think anymore. It starts in LA. That's what I think too.

England's like that too. Well, I think that like it used to be that LA was known for like that fake, you know, plastic look, but now plastic surgery has become so mainstream everywhere around the world. Even the Middle East. More, no, no. People are flying to Turkey, to Colombia because it's cheaper. But like there are girls who are like 20 years old who are like, you know, casually talking

about- Yeah, and young. Yeah, it's crazy. Crazy. And they're like, yeah, I got my lip. I got my my lower facelift. I got my nose done. I got this. I'm like, are you kidding me? You're 20 years old. I'm like in my 40s and I'm scared to like get anything done. But like it's I think it's actually become like very trendy to be doing that. Like, I don't think that there's even like,

there's not even like any shame. Like it used to be like, you were really like, you felt shame or you were like really embarrassed or it was like a secret. And now it's like very much like out in the open, like, oh yeah, I'm gonna like, like look what I did. You know, like I got. It's like a status symbol.

Yeah, like people don't, there's no shame around it. There's no... In Iran, apparently, I know this has nothing to do with America, but like in Iran, women will put bandages over their face, their nose, even if they haven't got surgery, to show that they're like high status enough to get like nose jobs. Really? So they're lying about getting plastic surgery. Is that true?

I think so. You think? Or you know? I think so. You think or you know? I'm pretty sure. I mean, whoever, if you're watching or listening, then just fact check me on this, but I'm pretty sure that's actually how it works. That's insane.

I just think that- I guess it shows you have money maybe. I don't know. I don't know why they do it. That's crazy. I just think it's insane, like what we're, like what are we doing out there that we think that we're not good enough, that we have to like manipulate our bodies to such a point

where it's become so common, where it's not even looked upon as weird, at a young age. And this is what happens. And listen, I get it. I actually understand how it happens. Never before in the world, in life, have we ever seen ourselves constantly on a camera? Like think about it. Yeah.

You know, like- You might catch yourself in the mirror or something. No, through Zooms, through social media. Like all you're doing is staring at yourself. It's our natural way of living. Right. And so all you're doing is- so all you're seeing are your imperfections 24 hours a day, because it's constantly being, you're being reminded. The funny thing is other people don't and that's the weird thing is like, especially

again, looking at it from your framework as a man looking at women who are doing this and younger and younger and younger and pretty girls too, like girls who are naturally attractive. Yeah, very pretty. Then one day they just come in and they're, you know, they looks like they've been stung in the face by a bee. And they're like, I'm sorry if I'm offending people. It's like, no, but it doesn't look good. But what's funny is you ask any guy and most guys will say like they rather the natural person

than the person that looks like they've had like so much work done. And I think women think that that's... And so there's an equivalent on the man side, like bringing this back to the original, like the source of this conversation. There's an equivalent on the other side where men want to get really muscular, like overly, overly muscular. I guess it's called the Donnis complex

where you want to exaggerate, almost like become a caricature, or become a cartoon of masculinity. So you just exaggerate, exaggerate, exaggerate until you're no longer really masculine. You're hyper masculine. And women find that unattractive. Women are not joking when they say, if you see veins, unnatural veins, I'm pretty veiny, but unnatural veins or the steroid look or the monster look or something that's too perfect even, something

that's too chiseled, too perfect, they find that unattractive. And men think, you know, they just... Is bollocks mean like bullshit? Yeah, bullshit. Well, you know what though? They love it. Yeah, that's what they think. I think you're right, because there are some men who are like just so, they're so big. And again, I keep on saying the word swole, but so muscular. Like it looks crazy.

Yeah. But they lost the line of what was... Right. But I think that happens with the girls on the other side. But this is my question. Now, isn't it really kind of like different boats, like, you know, different people like different things? Like, there are some people who are gonna like that look, some people are not gonna like that look.

Like, I know a lot of guys who of guys who think that that girl looks hot, who has the size triple D boobs and that waist that's been cinched in, with her ribs being taken out and her butt being plumped up. And they think, wow, she's smoking hot. I think there's certain guys who find that hot, because they think it makes them look good. Like, I think a lot of... It's like a trophy. The new trophy is like the plastic girl.

Yeah. Like, it's all like... But then you have to think to yourself, what kind of person or what type of guy is gonna find that attractive? Like, is that... It's a bit of a red flag to be honest with you. It is. By the way, I think about those things all the time when I see people, and maybe this sounds. By the way, I think about those things all the time when I see people.

And maybe this sounds bad, but I quickly make an assessment based around those things. Yeah, me too. Like, don't you? Because when I see a guy who's like 55 years old or 60 years old, and he's with a 25-year-old girl, I'm thinking like, what the fuck are you doing, dude? Yeah. And you too, lady. Yeah, I think about the girl more, yeah.

I mean, I get why the guy would do it. Well, listen, I get why. Okay, listen, let me say this. I get it. Like, Ana, I get it again. I understand why. What I don't like is that just says something about the guy because-

I agree with you. What do you have in common? Like, you have nothing in common. I agree with you. Because it's just pure physical attraction. That's it. You're basing your whole decision of your partner. Well, you have nothing to like even talk about.

Yeah, you're not talking. And then they'll say, oh no, they're an old soul. Or you know, like... It might happen every once in a while, but generally speaking, probably not. Well, because also like, where do you relate? I like people who can remember European vacation. We know references, movies, and whatever, like in the 90s or whatever. These people were not even born until 2005.

So I find that to be strange. Especially now, the pace of life moves so fast that things get buried. So like I was born in 88 and like my, I mean, I guess it's getting a bit of a revival now where like people are dressing like the nineties and stuff and wearing Nirvana t-shirts even though they don't know who they are. My kids wearing a Nirvana t-shirt. Yeah, they don't know who Nirvana is. They have no idea.

The Metallico is... They don't. That's what I'm saying. It's important to have like, you know, be with somebody who you can like, who have things that you have like nostalgia with. Yeah.'s what I'm saying. It's important to have like, you know, be with somebody who you can like, who have things that you have like nostalgia with. Yeah. Right? I love nostalgia.

I love nostalgia. You know what I mean? It's such a good, it's almost painful, but it's like such a good bonding mechanism with people. It's a huge bonding mechanism. One of my very good friends, Darren, me and Darren Prince, I want to shout out to Darren Prince. Him and I literally laugh all the time about vacation, about Clark Griswold, the Griswolds, like, you know, National Lampoon's vacation, European vacation, like, we like bond over like these funny movies that we both like love, do you know what I mean?

And it like literally like it like, it basically was like the beginning, the catalyst of like a friendship, because we had so much, like so many things we were related upon. So I just think it's interesting when people don't value those things, and they undervalue real things, bonding and connection in those ways,

for frivolous surface things. Because that, to me, is silly. But anyway, I'm digressing, but I do find it interesting that men feel, like women think that men want something that pretty much they don't want, and vice versa is what you're saying. Men prioritize a fit body. Like every man wants like the... Don't say every, we're going to get in trouble.

Not every man. She canceled me already. I'm sure I've said something. Don't say every, we're going to get in trouble. Not every man. Honestly, she cancelled me already. I'm sure I've said something. But most men who are attracted to women want the hip to waist ratio. This is like hip to waist. Another way of saying is butt to gut if you don't know what hip to waist is. So you want a slim waist and bigger hips. Now that ratio can expand, but the ratio has to stay the same, but it can expand. Some cultures can prefer wider of both of those things and some prefer narrower.

I think Western cultures like European and American probably want slightly narrower and then like other cultures I'm not going to mention. That's a good point. So depending on where your culture is, what your aesthetic preference will change, right? So like in America, what's considered to be quote unquote beautiful is different than let's say in another country.

That's a good point. And it's changing now. It does change. And there's a lot of like debate about it in general. Like it's everything in America has to be like controversial. Like nothing can just be easy and smooth and functional. Everything has to be really controversial. I know that's kind of the appeal of America.

It makes things fun, but. I don't think it makes things fun. I think unless you are some, like, unless you are PC about what you're saying, like I had to correct you. I'm like, I'm nervous all the time. Like, oh my God. I'm always nervous. Because I'm going to like, someone's going to be offended, which is a silly way to be like everyone should be entitled to their own opinion. But what I was going to say is, okay, I have a question for you as a guy.

Do you, do you think for the most part, men like a hot body versus a hot face or a hot face versus a hot body, or is that something that is very dependent on who the guy is? I think it's dependent on who the guy is, but... Ooh, that's a very good question. I haven't thought about this for a long time. And... both. Is that cop out? Am I copping out then? Yeah. Are you saying 50% of guys want the hot face

and 50% of the guys want the hot body or are you saying they want both? No, I think every man wants a little bit of both. They kind of look at the whole package. Men in general prioritize the physical. But actually they did a study and they found that when women are looking at physical characteristics, they tend not to prioritize the face at all. That's very, very low.

And the body is more important, especially like arms. Men do? Women. So actually women in some ways are more shallow than men, according to this study. I can pull it up later. But men, I mean, I don't know. I think women like tall men. Yeah.

Okay. That's the first characteristic physical characteristic. I don't think that was one of the criteria. Then I think women, you don't need, women are not looking at their soul, like at their potential soulmate or their partner, and they don't have to be beautiful. They have to be somebody who can provide security for them. I think that's

what women look at really primarily. And then we can get down into the nitty-gritty. The physical, I think, comes second, aside from height. I think if you're attractive enough and fit enough, I think, but you have the potential and you have the ability to make a woman feel secure and you have the height. I think, but you have the potential and you have the ability to make a woman feel secure and you have the height. I think those things like women are okay with. That's the problem with height. You can't really train that.

You can't train height. You can get rich, but you can't train. Well, the guys who don't have height, then they work even extra hard to get their body out to get really big. That probably isn't going to cut it. It doesn't look good either. I think the most attractive quality overall, I think, in any sex is having a strong sense of confidence and self-esteem and being okay with what you are and who you are.

I think being comfortable in your own skin is the most, by far, the most sexy quality someone can have. For me, I think, and a lot of people think that, I think single people think that's probably bullshit, but it's true. And for me, growing up, I always was attracted to women, and I always said this, and I meant it. Physical was important to me,

but I was a little bit different from a lot of guys in that. The most important characteristic for me was like, bubbliness. And not, because that was my, that was how I saw confidence. I saw good mood and like smiling and laughing and being happy go laugh. Yeah. That's what I always gravitated to that. Like I was never attracted to women who were like, little like off, like with a bad, you know? Or I know, I think, I think the word you're looking for is just kind were like, off, like with a bad...

Or I know, I think the word you're looking for is just kind of like miserable. Like just kind of like not grumpy. Nobody likes grumpy. I totally agree with you. Like I think someone who is like friendly, I think the word's friendly that you're looking for. Yeah. Friendly, happy, comfortable in their own skin.

Like, I don't care. There's no physical attribute that will ever take the place of that. You could be a smoke show in either way, but if you have a bad personality or you're uncomfortable in your own skin and you're insecure, you're automatically to me like a zero.

If you're someone who's like, you know, not that great to look at, but yet you exude confidence, real confidence, not bullshit like arrogance that you pretend to be confident. I mean like real confidence, like, you know, kind of like that's at your core. You're like the hottest thing in the world to me. I agree. There does need to be a baseline attraction, but that attraction is something that you can't always... Well, okay, let's say, yeah, like a baseline, I'm not saying you

gotta be like, you know, like 700 pounds and, you know, rolling around in the mud. Like, you know, but... You don't really know what you're going to find attractive until you actually attract it to someone. So I think like trying to get it down on PayPal, what is attractive to people. That's the problem with Tinder. What do you call it? Dating apps. This is how long I've been out of the game. How long have you been married for? Jesus Christ. God, you know nothing about these dating apps.

I got off right when I met my now wife. It was literally right around the time of Tinder. And that was like a watershed moment, I think, in history, because it got, I think, increasingly hard for people to find a long-term partner, like, after that. And it was a lot easier before. So I think I got out of the game at a good time in many ways. I mean, if you just want to hook up, it's great. Oh my God, that's such a great point. Because you're right, I think it did. I'm so excited to talk to my next guest later. Because I believe that the dating apps popularity did ruin having a relationship.

It changed the relationship into a situationship because you always can have options available to you. Paradox of choice. The paradox of choice, I was gonna say that. The paradox of choice is probably the most, gosh, it is probably one of the worst things that's happened to relationships and socialization. Yeah, or if like there's always someone, there's always someone down there, you know,

I can swipe to. Yeah. You know, like my mother would always say to me when I was young, you know, like, the person with the most options will always end up alone because you get overwhelmed. That's true. I see that a lot. I see that a lot with... I see it all the time.

With women and men, but definitely with women. Like I see like sometimes the girl who is always told and you know, everyone thinks they're the most beautiful girl on the block, and everyone's like, oh my God, you're such a princess, you're so beautiful. Yeah, I see it all the time. And they just struggle because they always feel like they could do better, and also they should do better.

So they feel insecure because they're like, oh, this person isn't good enough for me, that means that I'm not good enough because I'm this beautiful, and I'm with someone who's only here, and so there must be something wrong with me. I totally agree with that. I also think what happens, I have a friend like this who's so beautiful. She's always single, never dates. And I also think what happens is people don't even ask her out because they assume that she's with somebody. Yeah, the intimidation factor.

The intimidation factor. So she doesn't even get even like approached basically. Yeah. And the problem is what happens then is she ends up going out with the wrong people over and over again who are actually like way below her... Like what? Like overconfident kind of cocky guys? Just douchey guys who like will go out, who are not fearful and go out and ask her out, but they're just not never good guys. And also I think what happens is like,

you don't learn how to properly, you don't learn or get the dating experience because you don't have the, that happens too. But I think what you're saying happens more often than not, which is you always think you can do better or, you know, or you're not... If it's just a look thing, you don't hone other qualities to make you a full person that makes you someone that wants...

Like, that people want to go out with. Maybe they'll want to go out with you and sleep with you, but that doesn't mean they're gonna actually want to, like, have you as a partner because you and sleep with you, but that doesn't mean they're going to actually want to have you as a partner because you kind of like, you're lopsided. You like worked on your looks or you didn't have to work on anything else. That's also an unattractive quality as well. Like there was a song by The Streets back in the day and it was like,

fit but you know it, meaning she's hot but she knows she's hot and that makes her less hot. It makes you... Well, that's the thing, but why is it not okay to know you're hot? But I get what you're saying. It's all like, then you have to act. Hold it in. Well, you're going to pretend. You're going to do like fake humility, like, oh no.

But then that goes into a whole other thing, right? Why can't we own the fact that if we know we have something, why can't we be happy about it and proud? Like, why do we have to have this fake humility all the time? By the way, a whole other podcast. This is supposed to be a short one, but I think- You can't have a short podcast on villain winning. It doesn't work.

I know. This could be like a sequel. This is a good... I love this topic. I think a lot of people like this topic who are dating or just... I'm not dating, but I love it anyway. I still find it really fascinating. I'm so fascinated.

It's how the human species are going to continue. We need to figure out dating, but I love it anyway. But I still find it really fascinating. I mean, it's not how the human species are going to continue. Like we need to figure out dating, otherwise like we're gone. Procreation, right? People are not procreating actually in some countries and then in some places they are. And it's actually, it is probably kind of a real issue that we need to sort out, but it's also just fun

to talk about, I think. I love talking about it. I don't watch like, I'm keeping up with Kardashians or whatever. Neither do I. You know, I don't watch any of that stuff. But I really like to talk about like real issues. And I love reading like, I'm such a nerd this way. I love what looking at the data of like what has happened between 19, let's say 20 years before now or 10 years. So I can see how evolution has changed with technology, with apps, like you said, where we're going, how did it happen? Anything, how everything works.

Human nature to me is, I'm so fascinated by human nature. I would have been a psychologist in another life. I got my psychology degree. We're psychologists, we're psychologizing now. I know, we're psychologizing. We're psychologizing. That's true, right? Alright, you guys, thank you for staying tuned.

I'm curious, you guys, let me know if you wish, what you believe. What did you think of this episode? Did you agree with Leroy and myself? What's your opinion on this whole men and women? I want to know if I offended people. I'm really curious. You didn't really say much to offend. Trust me. I don't think you did. If you did. I wouldn't be upset if I did. I'm just curious if people get triggered by stuff. How easily

people get triggered by everything. I think different types of people have different levels of sensitivity. And I don't know your viewers, listeners, like your crowd. I don't know how sensitive they are. Well, we'll find out. Okay guys, thank you for listening. Have a great Friday. Bye.