Habits and Hustle - Episode 379: Kat Timpf: Breaking Binary Thinking and Cancel Culture + Promoting Nuanced Political Discourse
Episode Date: September 10, 2024Is binary thinking dividing us more than we realize? In this Habits and Hustle episode, I talk with Kat Timpf, a political commentator, comedian, and author of the upcoming book "I Used to Like You Un...til: How Binary Thinking Divides Us." We discuss Kat’s unique perspective as an independent thinker working at Fox News, challenging the notion that we must rigidly align with one side or the other on every issue. We also dive into Kat's personal journey from a strict Catholic upbringing to her current role as a political analyst, her experiences with binary thinking both on the left and right and her thoughts on overcoming tribal instincts in our polarized world. Kat Timpf is a multifaceted media personality, serving as co-host of "Gutfeld!" on Fox News and a Fox News analyst. She's the author of the New York Times bestseller "You Can't Joke About That" and has written for various publications including National Review. Known for her libertarian perspective and use of comedy in political commentary, Kat has been recognized on Variety's New Power of New York list in 2023. She believes in the power of conversations to bridge political divides and connects with audiences nationwide through her sold-out comedy tour. What We Discuss: (00:00) Breaking Down Binary Thinking (02:58) Navigating Complex Political Discourse (09:54) Navigating Religious Evolution and Familial Relationships (14:56) Challenging Binary Thinking in Society (23:37) Navigating Political Discourse and Media Biases (28:07) Professional Evolution and Personal Challenges (39:08) Expecting and Birth Discussions …and more! Thank you to our sponsors: Timeline Nutrition: Get 10% off your first order at timeline.com/cohen Find more from Jen: Website: https://www.jennifercohen.com/ Instagram: @therealjencohen  Books: https://www.jennifercohen.com/books Speaking: https://www.jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagement Find more from Kat Timpf: Website: https://www.therealkattimpf.com/ Instagram: @kattimpf Order Book: I Used To Like You Until…
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Hi guys, it's Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits and Hustle. Crush it.
Alisa, today we have Kat Timp.
Never.
I did?
Never.
Oh, wow.
On the podcast. And Kat is, besides being a performance pregnant, is a comedian, a writer,
a political pundit, analyst.
Sure. Good? Yeah. Okay. That works. Is a comedian, a writer, a political pundit, analyst?
Sure.
Yes.
Good.
Okay.
What else would you put yourself, you said?
I need a writer, comedian, I'm like close to the old show.
On Fox.
On Fox.
Pregnant.
Yeah.
I think I kind of mentioned it all.
Yes.
And this is your second book.
Yes.
Yes.
And the book is called, I Used like you until in the brackets, how
binary thinking divides us. And it was your first book was a New York Times bestseller.
And this book actually doesn't even it's not even up to date. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So it's
also counter time. Thank you. Hopefully it's gonna sell great. So this is a really important
issue. I think that now we will let a single difference in terms of viewpoint or association even or perception by a person be a not so right
on person entirely. I think that that tells us everything we need to know about a person.
But let's have to begin. Yours, as well. Okay, so it's about binary thinking. Let's just first
talk about what is binary thinking in your opinion basically I mean, just so everyone's kind of
clearing up this is about it. Yeah, it's binary can mean lots of different things right now.
Yeah, I just say us, us versus them one side or the other. I go through this a lot because I'm
independent with a plane. I also work at Fox. So I get from both sides. How do you get Fox?
It's and then also have this ideology. It's very interesting. Yeah, so I'm an independent
So it depends on the issue of over over all Mr
Solemn me but that can put me at odds with or an agreement with all of the parties sometimes depending what the issue is
So I'm in this position where I will get sort of criticized is a nice way or really?
So then if I view as a Fox because if I likes to them or I'm not concerned with my issue, but then there's people on
the other side, some of them don't even talk to me at all because I work at Fox. They're
like, well, that tells me everything. I need to know about you. And it's really frustrating
because neither of those things really just fried me. And I think that a lot of issues
are complex and people are always complex and nuanced. And I think that a lot of issues are complex and people are always complex and nuanced.
And I think that we lose a lot when we keep just writing people off because of one thing about them.
We think that we know everything about people based on nothing.
Yeah. Well, that's welcome to the world we live in today. Right? Like I don't feel like it was
ever like this to the extent and it's just, I feel getting worse. And social media has been
like the biggest culprit for this.
And so it's funny because even when I was telling you earlier,
I posted something today that was political, which I never really do,
because A, I'm scared.
Yeah.
Right?
And B, because every time I speak out and say something,
I get just trolled.
And the whole hate culture or the cancel culture,
I was like, they if you have a
Different opinion people aren't even scared to even talk about it
So they just either go with what's popular or like peace name or they just stay sad and to me
There's like there's nothing there's nowhere to go from there. Yeah, I really got that in the book actually too. It's actually huge gaps
there's nowhere to go from there. Yeah, I read about that in the book actually too. There's actually huge gaps, uh, studies show, yeah, opinion and what people believe and what they
say that they believe because they think that's what they need to say. And then also I think that
if you are someone who's on one of the two sides, so let's say you have a career as a Republican or
you talk, you're talking and it talks, um, you're,
you're liberal and you have this audience and you know that your audience
is getting upset with you if you really say something kind of against your side
or that you liked something that the other side did.
And so people won't do that.
And I think that, you know, I understand how it can be tough to actually, because
you're doing social media, have to see all that hate.
But at the end of the day, people kind of get over it,
eventually they move on.
I have people, you know, I get criticized by some people,
they feel like a lot.
But then also the viewers of Fox come out to my shows, right?
I mean, a lot of live shows, they come out.
So it's not like it's everybody that's watching that's yelling at me,
but in the moment, it can feel like everybody's yelling at you everybody hates you and people kind of want to try to avoid that
But ultimately I think we're creating this society
We're not having conversations with each other and we're not finding driven even when we really couldn't find it
Right. I think we're all we're all more alike than we're not
But yet at the same time I think there, because I think people are afraid of castle culture.
And so that's why people are not having,
that is the beginning,
because you saw what happened years ago when it started.
And it's people because of that are very, very shell-shocked.
That when I do this show, or this podcast,
or even like for life, right, or in social media,
I say all sorts of things.
And people say to me all the time in private, oh my god, I totally agree
with you.
Yeah, you. But I'm just scared to say that in public, right?
Yeah.
You get that all the time.
I get that all the time. I've also gotten, I recently found out I have a friend who went
through a breakup and her boyfriend was a, I read about this, her boyfriend was a Hollywood
director. And you know how when friends break up,
you always find out things that they didn't tell you.
Well, they didn't tell you.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, yeah.
So she actually told me that he wouldn't send her pictures
that he had taken of the two of us
because he was worried that she would post the pictures
and people would see that his girlfriend was with me,
which would then affect his career.
And I went through this thing for a while,
I was really sad,
so I was like, I thought this person was my friend.
I mean, they already got it for a very long time,
they've been together for almost 10 years.
I had a really small wedding, I had 30 people there,
he was one of the people there,
even though some friends, partners weren't there,
even some friends weren't there.
And I was like, I thought that this person liked me,
I thought we had a friendship,
and then I realized he did do it. That part was genuine, I thought that this person liked me about being a friendship. And then I realized he did. That part was genuine that we got along. He was just too
afraid to post, oh, I have his girlfriend picture with me. And there are a lot of people
like that people privately tell me you know, people were famous well now all I'm really
like, I don't want to follow you or like like your post because people might say, this is just ridiculous.
It's ridiculous. Well, let's just talk about this, right? It's prevalence right now. It's
not as prominent as it was, the October 7th, right? The whole war, right? Pro-Israel,
pro-Palestine. I'm going to tell you right now, I'm pro-Israel, right? And I'm very hard-pored
about it. Now, however, not being blind in
any way here, I do see that those shades of grey with a lot of things that are happening.
However, when I'm up there on my platform talking about it, that's exactly what would
happen. People are afraid to post about me, saying that you're friends with a boyfriend
because they're nervous that that's going to have a ripple effect to what that's going
to mean about other things. And the other side is that people who do believe
in what you're saying, they double down on you, right?
So it's very interesting how people's psychology
work in this way and how you're not allowed
to have an opinion and yet still be able
to see other pieces of the opinion,
because you're unable to like me
and disagree with me at the same time.
That is basically my height.
Improved, improved.
And for me, my life is very much like that.
I mean, I have people who are on all sides
of pretty much every issue,
and they're all very valuable relationships to me
in some way or another.
I can't imagine going through life
without some of these relationships. There know, there might be very strong, strong
disagreements on various political issues, be it about the election or if they are about
foreign policy or things like that. I think one, all sides of every issue. But we'll have
all the things in common that we can kind of unite around. And I feel like my life is richer because of that.
And I think it's really sad that a lot of people can't kind of do that themselves.
So what brought you to like, like write this book, like in terms of like you were a comedian,
you write, I even saw that you used to be a writer for Barstools.
Yeah, I did a lot of really fun of the Animal Street videos for Barstools.
That's so funny. Yeah, I know I used to, actually she's been on the show a bunch.
I'm friends with Erica.
Yeah, well, she's amazing.
She'd go on with it.
Right.
I thought that was really funny.
So right away though, that tells me something.
When I saw that was part of your bio.
Yeah.
But you kind of get keyed in to, okay, this person's like, in my opinion, she's cool.
She's not like so, you know, she's not so conservative in some ways she can be fun. You know what I mean? Like, people do get
that kind of vibe based on what your what your background is showing. I've ever
worked that process shows and then they can make a decision. But anyway, my point
is like, go ahead and do you make sense?
I'm too funny.
No, I mean, I thought the idea for this book when I was on my after I wrote the first one when I was kind of on my way to the tour for the second one and I
Just as I was going along on the tour
I became more and more sure I needed to write this book and was started writing this book because I was kind of willing it
I was going around the country meeting all these different kinds of people and I saw
How much that we really did have in common and also I kept having the same experience at these theaters where I would go and the staff at the theater would always stay in my team and
I was on stage. She works at Fox News just because of the show that I was doing. And
it's like, well, yeah, I do. And I also am this way when I'm on there too. I mean, I'm
fully welcome to be myself and say my opinion and even though it might be different than what other people's is. And I think that we're really losing out a lot when we let one thing be enough to not
to completely write off the humanity of another person. And but I think that we're being manipulated
too. I think that the people in power over us, division works great for them because it's really
great to say a vote for me is a vote not just against someone you disagree with but a vote against actual evil.
That's really motivating.
It's also motivating for people to say, I'm on the good side and the other side's bad.
Then you get to be good just because you're not on the bad side.
That can be really hard to give up too.
We're really losing more finding by because it could be working together
and so many more things. Right. But okay, so we could you grew up growing Catholic, wasn't it?
Yeah. Super Catholic. Super Catholic. Yes. So this is a far cry because that was like you were
probably very conservative, right? So I grew up very afraid of the devil. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Now you work for the devil. Some people. Yeah, I grew up very afraid of the devil. Yeah. Yeah. Now you work for the devil, some people.
Yeah, I grew up like actually truly terrified of the devil.
I mean, I was raised very, very Catholic.
I'm totally agnostic now.
I'm just a question mark.
I think I'll be happier if I were religious because I would like to think that my own
estate should be older and die.
That's kind of a bummer.
Right.
Yeah.
But I mean, it's a huge bummer. I mean, yeah, I was very extremely,
extremely, tablet. So what was your intuition? How did you go from one extreme until where you
are now? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I took it seriously. I was doing Bride and the Water Frost
in the fourth grade for souls and her retort. Oh, wow. I was very serious about it. I think
her souls and hurt her. Oh wow.
I was very serious about it.
I think part of it was,
I was having sex with my high school boyfriend,
which is like a pretty normal thing to do.
But to me, I was like, I'm gonna go to hell
because I'm doing this.
So why should I stop doing this?
I would confess it to the priest that I was doing it.
Like, wow.
Yeah, yeah.
So I mean, and then eventually I just kind of thought, you know, do I really
think that I deserve to go to hell for all of eternity and be in eternal torment because
I'm having sex with my boyfriends? And then I realized I don't think that I do. And so
that's what kind of I mean, in general, I think some of the things that and also that
the Catholic Church that you went to is really, that's a moral sin.
Like if you go to confession, then you're good.
But if let's say I went to my mother's house and texted my boyfriend and it was all my
way to confession, I hit my car, then I would go to hell for it.
Right?
Because I got into confession.
To me, that just didn't, that didn't actually sit right with me.
I was like, I think that I'm actually like not hurting anybody here.. Right. And so like, what do, how old are you when you kind of had this
like, well, I mean, it was like 17, 17, 18. I was probably, I was Catholic until I was
about like 18 or 19. I wonder if it's because I find that the people are so extreme in one
area. The dependent on usually does the opposite side. Yeah. And it's actually,
I write a whole chapter about religion in my book, which I
need, I'm not dying 10 years ago, but my most famous book, I mean, there is definitely pressure
on me, people want me to leave, as I write about my book, which I'm terrified people
to read about, very excited to be able to know that was tough with me and her.
And you know, people get sometimes at add me so it's on purpose.
I actually told God, like, hey, let's take a hike.
I'm not interested in life.
You gotta get off of it.
That's not true.
I love the idea of eternal life and happiness.
I just can't get there.
I hope to someday believe in something, but I just don't know.
Did your mom, before your mother died,
were you able to reconcile your situation with her? Like I think the conversations you have after death are
the only ones like that in the movies. Yeah. I think, you know, like she was like, I'm thirsty.
Like, I don't feel good. Like she's dying, you know. But you were still in a relationship. We
had a relationship. Yeah. It wasn't like she was, you know, not strange, you weren't strange,
but it was, you know, a lot, and my mom was awesome.
She was actually kind of living in body night.
A lot of these are involved in this book.
She was very, very Catholic.
She was so really vulgar.
She was really friendly.
Yeah, she was really funny.
I remember some of the nurses at Weimar,
the hospital shoes out, the scraggers and the leaf,
all the pictures of the pulp and dick jokes.
Like she was, you wouldn't know when you interacted with her that she was
as religious as you are. But she took, she was an awesome hang. Truly an awesome hang.
But like, she doesn't want me to go to hell. So you kind of understand where she's coming from,
how it's not that simple to just be like, oh, that's okay that you don't, because in her mind,
I'm going to hell. So how do you kind of get past that? You kind of can't get past that. And she actually,
she was in the hospital, she didn't have the last rites. And then she told the priest like,
I'm like, I'm worried about that. She made me and my brother, my sister, my dad go to
confect, like had me and my brother in the hospital. Because she had asked him about
it and he was like, we don't really do that.
And she was like, I see an officer over there.
So, but she also, you know, who does, like, how does she get him to do that?
Yeah, it's really remarkable.
But it was really, it was really tough.
And I wish people could just understand that it's not like I am rejecting the idea of eternal
life on purpose, if that makes sense.
Yeah, no, it does make sense to me. Um, although all of this is kind of a little bit upside my, I don't know that like experiencing
it and understanding it.
I've never been, I've been in a situation like so, but what about like now you're a
libertarian, that's how you kind of.
Yes.
How would you describe that?
Because everybody I speak to, whenever I ask them what their definition of libertarian is, it's always different.
Yeah.
Always. And so I'm either confused. I'm like, well, does that mean you're coming over? Are you Republican or not Republican? Are you like the opposite? What does it mean to you?
I think a lot of people say they're more libertarian than not. It just like ends on the issue.
Yeah. I think that's what it is, right?
It's not. I mean, it's pretty simple. I say free markets and no juggies. That's what it means to me.
Yes. So it means small government, but all across the board, but that includes social issues. So I'm
different than a lot of Republicans in that sense. I am anti-war, which it depends on the war on
political parties.
And it's for smaller governments. So you don't want to go high standards. No, it's not for the war. Well, I think that, do you want to talk about this, this super,
super, super complicated deal? No, but I'm telling you, but this one is about being non-binary,
right? I think it's about, so I think in terms of the United States and involvement and, you
know, being the world's police then, I think that we haven't done a very good job of it.
I think with all the things, so my husband, I know this, he is a Afghan war veteran, right?
And he went over to Afghanistan.
And that was a decades conflict.
And what exactly did we get from that?
I know, it's true.
What exactly did we get?
And you said this, if you were ever to say this, you were a terrorist or a traitor or a terrorist
sympathizer. And I think that's war makes a lot of money. And it was really hard watching him go
through that because he lost friends, friends, classes, and some of them died over there.
And I think that we
have to be able to ask questions about everything. We have to be able to say,
this thing doesn't make sense. We have to be able to listen to each other and not just be like,
oh, you said that, therefore you're with the terrorists or you're with us. And it was also
the same way with Israel saying you feel for the hostages, I mean, that's a you should
feel for innocent civilians everywhere, right? Right. But that's you can't say anymore.
You can't say you definitely because people like to have, I think it makes people feel
very comfortable and safe when they have a sky. Yep. And like, so you're fighting with like human nature in that way, right?
Like, you know, it makes me feel comforted when I'm like, you know, that's kind of like
with habits and routines and all the things that I talk about is because it gives you
a sense of comfort and like predictability.
Yeah, right.
It is to do what I read about in this book is floating against human nature. It absolutely is floating against human nature. Yeah. Humans are tribal.
Humans get good, you know, the bonding chemicals go off when they are not just engaging with people
who obviously are their tribe, but also, I mean, everybody knows bonding by talking shit about
somebody in the group chat kind of thing. That's so true. That's what people do though. They bond over like misery and joyous company.
That's kind of what they're at. Like people bond over talking shit. Yeah, so true.
They do. And I think this just happened on such a larger scale. But when we do engage with people
who are different from us, we learn a lot. I mean, if we don't do that, we are... So
binary thinking is based on the idea of theoretical thinking. And I say this in the book. And that's
because if you pick a side, all the thinking is argument done for you. Yeah. So you don't have to
stop and assess the issue. And that's easier. But also when people aren't thinking, dumb things can
happen. But also it means it's to be an idea of thinking creatively.
And you just miss out on these opportunities.
And so much research shows whether it is religion,
whether it is politics, no matter what it is,
if you just get to know people who
are from a different religion, or from a different background,
or who have different views, you will not
be as easily subjected to believing
things about them that aren't true because we're wrong about each other all the time,
research has set out to that.
Often Democrats will believe that a way higher percentage of Republicans believe in so-called
extreme beliefs than they actually do and the same goes for the other side.
And the only way around it is unfortunately going against human nature
and get it to know people that are not
in your bubble essentially.
Was there any particular story
or anything that kind of happened to you
that kind of even preempted the fact
that you really wanted to write this book?
Like was there, well this happened,
this scenario happened.
I know you talked about like Bill Maher in your book,
he's known as well.
Yeah, I think it was just the experience of working while I work and I went to my ego
object party and people asked me what do you do?
And I'm always, I write my book that I said that I work in porn before, which I've done.
I've actually, and that's only with people that I know that I'm never going to see again
in the gallery, like, oh, that's so cool.
And then it's like, actually, they move on, basically.
It's not a big deal.
Right.
But if I say, because if I say we're going to Fox News, people will then, it's not a
conversation.
We will project every thought and opinion you know about Fox onto you.
And it's just exhausting.
And it's like, I'm going to just, and I just don't want to deal with that.
I'll say I'm a writer. I've said, um, no thank you.
When people have asked me and people have weirded out,
they just say, like, really? Yes.
Because, yeah, and...
No thank you. No thank you.
What do you do for a person? I say no thank you.
And then people are like, okay, okay.
Because when I say Fox News, it just changes the vibe a little bit.
And it shouldn't, because again...
I just want to tell you something though, right there? It was like to me that says like these, the democratic people, the left people, whatever,
they're more, they're much more critical and binary than the right side. But yeah, a lot of
times the right side gets overly criticized for being too
bi-ary.
See, I get it from both sides.
I get it from both sides. I'll get it, you know, oftentimes for social issues, I'll get
stuff from the right. Or, you know, my skirt is too short when I wear cheap crafts, my
attitude. Definitely the religion thing. Definitely the religion thing.
Definitely the religion thing.
Well since time, by the way, religion and politics are the two things that you should
never talk about.
Yeah, and I do.
I write all about it.
I just decided for living, sorry about politics.
So I definitely get from both sides.
I take the differences, and I'll best just simply because of where I work, but I find
that more people on the
right are at least willing to speak with me.
So sometimes people on the left won't talk to me at all.
Like I'm not allowed into the room.
Right.
Because of where I work.
What's your actual opinion, and you can have brave areas, on your political stance?
Just let's say I'm so far support.
So I don't vote.
I've never voted for a Republican or a Democrat.
I always vote for a third party.
I've never.
I never have, and I don't vote. I've never voted for a Republican or an outcry. I always vote for a third party.
I never have and I don't intend to.
Like what's happening now? I know RFK now is going to be endorsing Mr. Rums.
Yeah, he did. Yeah, and he did, which I was shocked about that.
What do you think of all that stuff?
So I understand in some ways why he did it, and there is a lot of pressure to sort of pick a side if they say I really hope that he doesn't stop being able
to because what I really liked about RFK, you know, I just
created some things, other things, whatever I like the
end of invoice, I like that he would criticize the policy, and
he would not criticize your he would not be swaying based on
whose policy it was, or the comments. So he would say I disagree with this, or I think this swaying based on whose policy it was or the comments.
So he would say, I disagree with this, or I think this is a good idea, whether it was
coming from Biden, or it was coming from Trump.
And I hope he doesn't lose that because he's endorsed Trump because he even said in his
speech and he endorsed him, he said, you know, I do disagree with some of these Trumps said,
but da, da, da, da, da. I do disagree with some of these trumps that but does it did it that so I
You know
I hope he doesn't lose that because I think those voices are really rare and really kind of precious and with the way things are now
Yeah, I mean listen if I thought I've gone to hear him speak and function my different friends
I am had him for fundraising and stuff like that
But the truth of the matter is that people in that position don't have a chance.
All they're doing is taking votes away from someone else
that you may want to win.
Do you know what I'm saying?
You see, I understand that, but I don't have,
people say that to me all the time, but I don't.
Like my vote belongs to me.
And people will say, you just have to get over it.
Make a side.
And I don't fit in on either side.
So who are you gonna to vote for now?
Probably the Libertarian candidate.
Yeah, just remember that for me.
So for me, it's not so much voting for the Libertarian
candidate themselves, because the Libertarian party can be
pretty embarrassing a lot.
I'm voting for a system where it doesn't
matter so much who wins.
Yeah.
I mean, I think we put so much emphasis on which people are in power and
not enough emphasis on the amount of power that those people have.
Yeah, that's actually very extreme. You know? Yeah.
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What do you think of Pamela?
Like, were you, I mean...
What's there to think of her?
Like, she doesn't say anything.
I mean, I find that very...
You're pretty tentative, already.
I mean, she's truly been on every side of most issues, so I don't know what side she
is on of them now.
You know that right now, she also said that she was going to be putting hundreds of millions of dollars to the wall that they started, that Donald Trump started, right?
After constant criticism of how that wall was such a divide.
Like, that's the problem.
However, the issue I have is that women, because she's a woman, people are going to vote for her just on that alone, without knowing her policies, not knowing what she's really standing for.
She really doesn't stand for anything.
Well, also, the media means it was awesome.
I mean, that's the point.
She's become this manufactured thing of like, she's cool and...
Cool?
You know, she's the girl that you want to go out with and like...
You want to go out with her?
No, I know it's not.
But I mean, it's all manufactured. Yeah But I mean, that's it's all manufactured.
Yeah.
But see, that's the problem also, right?
So people are getting swayed more to one side or the other, depending
on what media they're following.
Media is a really big problem because it's all proper.
Like not all of it is not true.
It's not authentic.
You're working with you.
I work at Fox.
I work at Fox and it's interesting to me.
I, you know, I, I actually just directly address it. I write a lot about Fox News kind of as a lightning rod in the book.
And you know, it's really interesting to people like how much you work there and Fox is this and you start to say, well, yeah, it is. But you're, you're acting like there's no me or the liberal slants. Yeah, you know, there's a lot of people with a liberal slant. And also, for me, it's just a platform, you know, it's a platform that I'm very grateful for. It's just, it
worked elsewhere, so I don't really know. But having that freedom, they don't ever tell
me I can't say something at Fox. I've now really been like, I want to say this. I'm
told I can't. So I'm very grateful for that.
How did you get the job at Fox? Like, what was the process, like, what did you do?
Um.
What was your, like, again, like a professional evolution.
Yeah, I was a writer and I just been doing gas appearances on Fox and I eventually got
it on Predi, which was the Prex 3AM show before you had the new show.
It was a show called Predi at 3AM.
I used to actually watch it back when I like lived LA, I was working at the major, I was working
at Boston Market.
And I was like, I would be really good on that show.
And I'm saying that to when I was watching it with my boyfriend and his brother, his
brother would be like, you're just here at Boston Market.
So I showed him, right?
But I am.
That's a great story.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you were working at Boston.
See, this is the cliff by the way.
So you were working at Boston Market last year, how a cliff either way So you were working at Boston Market? Yeah, sure. How many years ago?
Gosh, it's been so I also all I always know mixing mold my cat is so it's been 14 years
Yeah, so you're not like a bull time. Yeah, so 14 years ago. You're working in Boston Market. You're watching this show
Yeah at 3 a.m. On Fox. So you go down the night now, right? Right and they were like, hey, you know
I've been really good on this show.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
And I always wanted to, you know, work with Greg and I started getting guest appearances
on Fox just because of my writings and I was shooting videos.
I was doing it.
I finally got on Red High.
I was so nervous, but I just kind of pretended I wasn't.
And Greg and I had it off.
We had really great, you know, eye or chemistry.
And so he kept asking me to come back.
The most you can get asked back is a guest and where it was like every two
weeks. So I was going back every two weeks.
And then during that time, I had an email that I, they wanted me to fill in all
pilot they were doing, which I understood was an audition, which is for like the
new weekly show. So I did that and I got the job basically. So, I mean, it was
kind of crazy just, you know, how specific of a goal
that I set that happened. Really crazy.
Wow, that is so crazy. I think to be honest, it's crazy that at 21 years old, you were
watching that show.
Yeah, well, rather than it was like a raw sheet kind of weird, I don't know how else
to describe it. So,
Is it a popular show?
It was one at three in morning, but I have that the cult fall.
I was gonna say like, what kind of self included,
what was like, what kind of like, what kind of numbers with the show getting?
I have no idea.
But it was, I think it was a lot of food service employees.
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm a lot of chicken.
That is amazing.
Yeah.
And so you've been at Fox for the school time?
I've been at Fox for nine, nine years now.
Well, so just kind of different in different ways and different positions basically for shows.
I've always been on a great show.
We were just a weekly show at first and then now we're on every night and I do all these
other shows there as well.
Wow.
And then do you also tour them with the comedians?
Yeah, I do tour.
So do you like stand at the comedy store and all that too or is it just?
I think most I was doing stand up to kind of just prepare for my tour in New York, getting
up around New York and stuff, trying out new stuff.
But I'm on tour every weekend.
But I'm not on the show.
I mean, it's a thing, the session of one or two.
So do you have anything Netflix special?
No, not yet.
But yeah, but it's in the works.
It's usually on Tuesday. This is like the Boston Market thing. But yes, she goes,
God, I'm so excited to have a Netflix. Yeah, I think I would be really good at that.
So you won't open up for anybody else? Like on, you know, on Tori?
No, not anymore. I mean, I don't know what I would.
I would if I could, frankly.
And now you're having me.
Yes, I'm also having me.
Wow. So your schedule's basically,
you still write independently for other, besides both of course. Yes folks. So I'm on Fox,
Friday to me, and I'm on tour the nights that I'm on, on Fox. Wow. I think I'll have like one or two
weekends off before I, I'm not gonna fly anymore because of the baby. I know. So what are you gonna
do? What's your half a baby? Are you gonna- My dad's? Yeah, my dad. Yeah I love that I don't know. I don't know. I didn't really Google it. I was kind of just like alright
Well, I'll you know take I'll get my control out and I got pregnant and I'm your future. No
No, I'm not you say yeah, like all I did was have sex which I understand that that's all that works
Yeah, that's kind of I think I know what like I just thought that can't lot worse. That's kind of my thing. I know, like, I just, that can't be, how is that, how?
You know, I didn't get any of them licensed.
No, I don't even know how to hold a baby,
so I'm gonna have to find some,
you know, hold someone's baby.
You know, it's so funny, some things are so funny.
You know what I had on before you came out,
was like the leading child development psychologist
in the country, whatever.
And we actually were talking about before how
like there's no like license to have a baby, like people were like completely incompetent,
not to say you are incompetent or someone thought was out of baby and people just have
to figure it out. And I was they go and that's to figure it out. Like I think you're going
to figure it out. That's not helping. You know, I mean, I'll figure it out. Right. And I mean,
yeah, no, I mean, you're smart. I mean, I never figure it out, right? And I think, yeah, you know, I mean, you're smart.
I mean, I never felt like saw myself as somebody that won't have kids.
And my husband, I was like, oh, it's kids, I think.
Really?
Yeah.
How long have you guys been together?
We've been together, it'll be six years, but I didn't want to get fired.
Oh, wow.
So is he in the same world as you?
No.
He's a finance guy.
Oh, he is?
Yeah.
He likes spreadsheets. No way. He likes them.
He loves it. He actually likes it. He loves spreadsheets. He enjoys it. He's obviously
brain of mine. Like how does you guys meet? I met him on the day we met. Oh, really? Yeah. I met a
lot of people that were not my husband on the day we met. I didn't like him at first because he
doesn't own my type. I really liked the creative type and stuff like that. And my sister had been
sitting out with him. And you know, we just really bounce each other out really well. And he's like
the biggest supporter. That's amazing. I mean, I'm a lot to handle. I'm a nightmare, honestly.
Really sometimes. Why? Is it because you're opinionated? I'm too opinionated. I'm a lot to handle. I'm a nightmare, honestly. Really sometimes, yeah.
Why, is it because you're opinionated?
I'm too opinionated, I'm impulsive.
I'm also pregnant, so I'm unmedicated.
I'm ADHD, I've had a stimulant in my entire life,
except for right now.
Like I started really little when I was five,
and now I'm on stimulant, and it's been a real struggle.
Oh wow.
Yeah, so this is the first time you've never been on any...
So I've been many times when I was hospitalized.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
But everyone always says they have ADHD, but yeah.
Honestly, I mean, a doctor knows almost five years old.
Oh shit.
That's right.
So yeah.
Really.
Definitely have ADHD.
Are you on now?
Not now. Did you change to Adderall?
I took a five-mance.
I took an all-nighter.
I took a five-mance.
I'm going to take five-mance again with a numby.
Right, man.
Do you feel a major difference?
Yes.
I have to.
It's really hard for me to read and write and pay attention and also regulate my emotions.
Pretty much everything.
It's hard for me to do anything actually.
Wow.
And he's been very, very supportive. Like very supportive. And I've also, I'm very self-aware,
which I think it helps. Or you know, a common scene will be along the lines of like,
you know, like, hey babe, like, can you like, can you work on picking this up?
I'm like, you want me to move out? I'm like, okay, sorry.
And you're pregnant, so the emotions and'm like, okay, sorry. You know, and you're pregnant. So, yes.
So, the emotions and hormones are like through the roof.
Yes.
So, sitting here doing this, is it really hard for you?
It's hard for me to do anything.
So, this is hard for the poor person.
I'm not kidding. But I'm trying to view it as like this is, I, you know, be a good,
I was like a new, exciting experience of like, okay,
I already know what it's like to be medicated.
Let's just like accept that you're not and go all the way into feeling all the
things and doing all the things.
So I don't spend time kind of feeling sorry for myself about it.
No.
Oh, we've only had good kind of just moving all the way into it.
Can you, I remember when I was pregnant, I drank a cup of coffee.
You're allowed to drink coffee.
I'm drinking coffee. You are drinking coffee. Yeah, but I can't. And also I won't make a
team. I said I do not. Right. Yes. I'm obvious. I'm not being weird. We don't get any smoke.
I was a smoker. Not really. I smoked when I was in college, although I did drink a lot
in college. I think a lot of people get it. Yeah. Like now I'm like, why? Right. But
um, yeah, I mean, everybody's like drinking just incessantly.
And you're like, okay, sure, there you do.
But as people do in college.
That's what they do.
Yes.
And I got just vaping a lot, like incessantly.
I was vaping like two at a time.
So then I quit that.
But almost two years ago I quit vaping.
And then I was using this nicotine
gum, like sans pouches, they helped me write, they helped me focus.
What happens if you take the nicotine gum? I mean, I don't remember this, but if you're
not smoking it, nicotine itself is very damaging to the baby.
Yes.
Right. But like, is there a way that they can wean you off of it?
Like that I just stopped.
I just stopped. Whole turkey? Yeah. So you want can read you off of it like that. I just thought I just got turkey
Yeah, so you wouldn't hold her up here all line everything. Yeah
Wow, I'm surprised you're even sitting here. I was like, this isn't the hard thing for you to do. Yeah, I mean it's but
I'm interested in this. Yeah, I'm like talking about these issues. I like talking about my book
It's like it's miserable for me to be alive. You know, maybe the first time was there was,
but did it cost like,
cause this ADHD it sounds like we said
that all these other things like anxiety and depression
if they're like, because your emotions are not regulated.
Yeah.
That's what was happening.
And you can't, I thought they were allowed
to be on meds now.
You can, but they were kind of like,
so you can, but we don't really know what affects
the baby.
So I wasn't comfortable with that.
So I was like, I'll just know.
That's a very-
Because I'm going to want to be like down the road, something's wrong.
And I'm like, is it because I'm, so I'm just, I'm doing, I'm doing nothing.
Yeah.
You know, I'm just, and thankfully I have supported people and I like to understand
and I'm still working very hard.
It's just harder.
It's harder.
I know.
Yeah.
But you could get probably always distracted or you can't focus and all that.
So it's hard.
It is hard.
But I'm doing it.
I could never do this for myself.
I don't love myself this much, but I haven't even met this baby yet.
Right.
And I don't have any love this baby.
You know what I'm saying?
Which is so weird because I always said
like, how is our people to say, oh, maybe it's been we didn't eat them. She don't know
they're gonna grow up. It could suck. Like this kid could grow up and be like, or worse.
It could be the worst. I don't know. It's so crazy. I'm doing all this and it's gonna
be so weird. Like there's gonna be a baby living in my house. I know. It's not weird.
So weird. It's gonna be like needing me to stay alive.
And then it's gonna start to talk. I mean if all goes well. If all goes well.
And then it's gonna tell me no. It's gonna tell me no and I'm gonna be like listen, I didn't chew any nicotine though.
For you. Or take meth. You can have the best shot and you're gonna tell me no.
Trust me. It's a fabulous job. Yeah. And you're out pretty quickly. Yeah, so that's yeah.
Do you have, do you know if it's a boy or a girl? I enough my doctor does I don't wanna find out
Oh, you don't want to find out. Yeah
I think it's a boy. My husband needs to grow. We're just gonna know me son
I can tell by how you're having a big well, you think it's a boy to let me see I see it
Well, please enough. Yeah, it's like low. I
Think it's a boy. Yeah, I think I think it's a boy too. That's what I think. It feels like
it's a boy. Well, you're low. I'm a boy. I'm a boy. You're a girl. And that was, I remember
with me it was like, well, like, yeah, I feel like it's a boy. It just feels like it's a
boy. But you're nauseous. So that means that might be a girl because girls make you really
nauseous. Right. And also my skin is a disaster a disaster which they say that that's a girl. That is a little too. So I just had like everything.
So it's twins and it's not a girl. It's not. But I mean, yeah, I just don't want to be surprised.
Well, that's what my mom did it. Yeah. And I kind of want to do as many things like how you
may she did it. Although she didn't give you medication. So I'm kind of like curious about it.
I kind of want to she didn't do medication. I want kind of like curious about it. I kind of want to try to do it without.
You mean without an epidural?
Getting birth without it.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'll tell you something.
I did my first one with an epidural, the second one with nothing.
Honestly, if you can go without doing anything, it's better.
And you heal much quicker.
Much quicker.
And your back up and add on much better.
If you can do it.
I mean, it depends. I'm just, I'm this is so weird but I'm just I'm curious. Yeah
you're curious. I don't know how it feels. I know it doesn't feel good. I know it hurts.
Yeah it's crucially painful. It's crucially painful but I so I had a my
book about this my first book on a bowel perforation. What is that? It's like I
have a hole in my colon. I have my ileostomy like a little in a shit bag for five weeks.
I'm okay now.
I'm fine now.
What was this?
This was 2020.
Wow.
But this was, that is all this to say that hurt very bad.
Yeah.
And there was no little baby in the end of that.
I was excited.
Yeah, exactly.
So like maybe if I could get through that, I could get through birth.
You could probably, I think people are surprised.
To be honest, I felt it to be worse on the epidural because everything was just worse
on every level.
And like, if you just like psych yourself up for what it is, I think you'll be okay.
I mean, it's excruciating, don't get me wrong, sure.
But it's just, it's excruciating with the epidural in a different way than it made sense to you.
Yeah, because for me, it's like the pain at least is supposed to be.
Yeah, it must be painful.
It's not like other pain I've had like that where it's like this pain means you're dying
and you need a birth certificate.
That's right.
It's actually a lot different.
Exactly.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I've never even heard. So maybe I'm hearing and handled.
Maybe I'm like a such a little bitch I can't handle.
Well not at all.
You usually give me the drugs. And you know who I am.
You can at least plan for the natural and anything.
If I'm going to be like, no I can't.
Yeah, screw that.
Give me the drugs.
That I don't know what people do.
Yeah.
I didn't have a choice the second time.
I have a new natural because they were trying to give me the epidural
while the baby was coming out. And that's when my thought that I'm just yeah
I had the baby and I was like, oh my god, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be
I'm like so happy I didn't get the epidural but then you have the two comparisons
So just for that kind of information take take it for what it for what it's worth, you know, but that's my goal
Yeah, that's my goal. I definitely a hospital definitely a hospital
Oh, I was talking about this with some friends in there.
Actually, I pretty much every person that I know and not every person,
but most of them plan this home or thing a lot of them are going to need to go to
hospital anyway. I don't know why anybody would do that.
Like to me that's that is crazy. Yeah. I just, I want the drugs there.
I want the drugs around just in case just in case I also think like so much shit can go wrong
Yeah, if you don't even think of and why would you put yourself we could go through all this stuff not doing the negative
She not doing the medication after and then you're gonna put yourself in a situation where it's shaking go wrong
But you're not even thinking of but I loved out with I'm somebody who always calls it after and has a nice funny
Yeah, I'll be like I go hiding who always calls a doctor and has a nice, funny name, Alba.
Are you a hypochondriac?
So he says yes.
I'm not trying to lie.
I'm not trying to lie.
I'm saying no.
I'm saying no.
Okay.
He said, it depends on who you want to try.
Yeah.
He says yes.
Although I ended up being right
that I was dying and I needed the shit bag.
So he-
What happened then?
I mean, it was, said, believe that's something
name was like really, really bad. I was like, I need the hospital. But I also called the
doctor for everything. So what caused the stomach? It's, it's not sure. I think it could
have been from a colonoscopy that I had, but like, you can't really prove that because
it had been previous couple weeks before that. Wow. It's just a very rare, I don't like you
discourage me over getting those.
Whether it was that or this bunch of things, I guess it was really a rare, rare, rare,
rare thing to happen.
It's like the.0001 thing to happen.
So I was, that small percentage is someone.
It was me, it was you.
So then like what happened, did you think that you had to wear, like were you just lucky
that it only was five months that you had to wear?
Yeah, it was really small. It was really minor. It was a really, really minor, you know.
So you had to like walk around with it?
Oh, like outside, like wear it stuffed in your pants.
You can see there's a star right here.
Oh, my god.
So I had my, it's been, well, it's my fitting it there because I'm having it baby again.
Yeah, child, but I had my small test in coming out of my stomach and my husband still had sex with me.
Wow.
I mean, did you see the end of your status?
He was covered up with like a belt if you're wondering.
I was going to say, had it?
Not like the boring, like, yeah, they just typed her.
Oh yeah, I can show you later, but like I really want to see it.
Yeah, that is so interesting to me.
I thought you said Rask.
I thought it was like, don't let this blind pass on the binary.
That is so insane.
Wow.
Well, okay. So congratulations again.
I know that you're like, the ADD is quite hot.
God bless you for sitting here for how long has it been? 40 minutes
or so? 40 minutes? Yep. Okay. I will let you wrap it up. But listen, okay, everyone, the book is
called I used to like you until and how I binary thinking to buy a desk by cat temp who's pregnant
and who's great. And you guys should go grab her book because it's good and you guys should just
read it. That's it. And yes, we're off. We will find you everything
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