Habits and Hustle - Episode 44: TJ Dillashaw – 2x Bantamweight UFC Champion

Episode Date: December 31, 2019

TJ Dillashaw is a 2x Bantamweight Champion in the UFC. In this episode, he talks about his training rituals, what helped him get over the hump to be a champion, and he opens up about the mistake he made which led to a 2-year suspension he’s serving! TJ talks about how the suspension has really been a blessing in disguise for increasing family time, recovery from much needed surgeries, and creating an income stream for himself outside of the cage.  This was an awesome way to cap off 2019.  Youtube Link to This Episode TJ’s Website TJ’s Instagram  ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Did you learn something from tuning in today? Please pay it forward and write us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts. 📧If you have feedback for the show, please email [e-mail]  📙Get yourself a copy of Jennifer Cohen’s newest book from Habit Nest, Badass Body Goals Journal. ℹ️Habits & Hustle Website 📚Habit Nest Website 📱Follow Jennifer – Instagram – Facebook – Twitter – Jennifer’s Website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to the Habits and Hustle Podcast. A podcast that uncovers the rituals, unspoken habits, and mindsets of extraordinary people. A podcast powered by habit nest. Now here's your host, Jennifer Cohen. All right, so today on Habits and Hussle, we have TJ Dillesha, who I'm very excited to have on the podcast because he is a two-time UFC world champion.

And I really want to get into just how you train, and because you must have really, really specific habits, I know you don't like the word rituals, but we're gonna get into how you exercise in your food. But because we're on these treadmill, I was joking around and I said to him, we can just be on 15 in-cline and a speed of 15. And he's like, oh yeah, no problem.

Because of anybody who can be doing that, it's gonna be you, because you're like a beast. Oh, thank you. I try to be, that's for sure. Well, okay, so let me, you know, I'm curious, because you're not, you're a, you have to see Bantam weight champion. So for people who don't know that being me,

what does that need to mean? Oh, it's a weight class. Bantam weight is 135 pounds. So every weight class has aanner weight is 135 pounds. Every weight class has a different, like the one below me is fly weight, one above me is feather weight, and so on. So everything's got different name, minds, band and weight. 135 pounds.

So you have to be between, like you have to be, what's the... Usually everyone weighs like 135. It has to be 135. Yeah, you can be from 126 to 135 is my weight class. But usually everyone cuts weight to get to 135. Like right now I'm walking around to 155 pounds. But you're 155 pounds right now. You look small to me. Yeah.

That's still small. Yeah, you're dense. Exactly, you're dense. Well, yeah, I mean, the day before my fight, like usually 30 hours before I fight, I weigh in at 135 and I'll walk in the cage wearing like 150 the next day. So by the time I fight, I'm usually 15 pounds heavier,

maybe even 17. Wow, okay. Okay, so how do you do that? What's your, let's get right into that. I'm curious, so what do you do to be so specific, like 135, like how do you, I mean, you can't be an ounce over. You have to be exactly 135, especially

if you're fighting for a title. If you're fighting for a non-title fight, you can weigh 136, but you can't be an ounce over. So it's all watered. I mean, everyone cuts waterway. I get within striking distance of my body mass. I walk around like 6% body fat. So when I'm in fight camp

right now I'm a little heavier but right but even your heavy is most people's you know extremely lean but okay but your muscle holds a lot more water than you kind of fat and so it's super easy to water load and lose water weight when you're really lean so what I do is I water load seven days before my fight where I'm drinking two and a half gallons of water one day, and then when I'm six days out, I'll drink two gallons of water. When I'm five days out, I'll drink a little bit less. All the way till the day before when I don't drink any water, and then I continue to work out, and my body just flushes water weight, and I'll probably lose eight pounds in a 40 minutes before the weigh-ins. You can lose eight pounds in 40 minutes?

Easy, if not faster. Yeah, I mean, it's just all water weight, though. It's way that you, that's why when I fight, I'm able to walk back in the cage weigh in 150 pounds because I'm just dumping, I'm, it's just water displacement. I'm just moving water in and out. And once you've learned the science behind it

and how to do it, it's pretty easy. I mean, easy as in, you know, you're going to be able to make the weight, but dehydration is probably the, it's way worse than starving yourself. That's for sure. Dehydration is no fun. I was going to say like, because if you are cutting, you know, this water weight to the last second. Yeah. So how you usually make weight maybe like an hour before weigh in. So we weigh in at 10 o'clock in the morning I won't be on weight until nine o'clock probably I like to do it last minute because then your body's not depleted for longer Because if I was on weight the day before that means my body is in depletion mode overnight in my you're gonna Get fatigue because I have to fight the most important fight on my life within 24 hours

You want to make sure that you're able to be on weight way in and then rehydrate. So then like how do you, when you're working out because right before the fight, you're working out to, how do you do that without drinking anything? Like aren't you dying? I've done it my whole life.

I wrestled since I was eight years old. And back then I didn't know what I was doing. Just I just knew how to cut weight and that's just dehydrating yourself and not eating the right ways. But now with me being a professional athlete, I've learned very scientific ways to make in the weight, but you get really used to it. I want to know all the scientific ways.

I'm like, that's why I was so excited to have you. Because this is like now my wheelhouse where I'm like, I'm extremely excited. But I want to ask you one question before we start going really into that because it could be like the elephant, the pink elephant in the room. Yeah. Because even though you won these two UFC champions, they took away your last belt, right? Yeah, yeah. I stripped it. Why? I gave the belt up because I felt a drug test. So I was at one, I was 35 pound champion. So I was a two time, I lost it and I came back

and got it back. But then I just had to relinquish it because I failed the drug test. I mean, I can strip you for it, but I admitted that I did it before. I even got it stripped and gave the belt up. I knew I did wrong. I became, so I was 135 pound champion.

I was going down to 125s to take another belt. I wanted to be a two time champion. Well, not two division weight champion. I wanted to be the 135 pound champion, the 125 pound champion. And so I pushed it to the extreme. I, like I said, I walked around 155 pounds. And so I cut 30 pounds.

I got down to a 4% body fat, and I became anemic. And like, I don't know, five weeks out before the fight I started to become anemic, and so I took an anemia medication that you're not allowed to take. And it came up on a drug test a couple weeks after my fight. And so once it came up, I obviously admitted to it, told everyone what I did, and obviously I made a mistake, and I owned up to it, told everyone what I did and obviously I made a mistake

and I owned up to it and really pushed my belt. So I'm on a two year suspension to where I have one year left right now until I can come back and get my belt back. So, yeah, it's been rough. It's been a tough last 10 months, dealing with all that. And then to add on to it,

I went through double shoulder surgery as well too. So I've been needing shoulder surgery for my last three years of competing. My shoulders will dislocate all the time. I had fully torn, or a rotator cuff, tear my labrum, and I tear my bicep tendon to both shoulders. And so once I got suspended, I decided to get surgery.

So I had to do them back to back. So I've been in a sling for like six months back and forth. Oh my gosh. So it's been rough. It's been it's been a tough 10 months, that's for sure. But it sounds like maybe it was a blessing in the sky. Like if you needed these surgeries and you probably wouldn't have done it on your own volition. I would have never done it. It was the next big fight. It's always like, oh wait until the next. Maybe I'll wait for the next one. Then it's always another big fight. Another big fight. So I can't put it off. So I mean, that's what I mean,

when you say blessing in disguise, even more so than just my injuries. I've been on the focus on business for the last year. I've been on the focus on my son. He's almost about to be two years old. He's so clear. I know he's so cute. He goes everywhere with me, but the first year of his life,

I was very focused on being the best possible athlete I could be, and you don't realize how much life you miss within that fern that year. And so the last year, I've been able to absorb so much of him growing up that I feel like that's been the biggest blessing. And obviously, the business side of things been able to create my income outside of the cage.

Because when I'm fighting, I'm the most dedicated professional fight on the world, and I really truly believe that no matter what it is, that I'm going to do them to go 100% into it. And so I don't give myself any time to focus on things outside the cage. When I'm in a 10 to 12 week fight camp, a fight camp is where I'm getting ready for one exact person. I don't focus on anything else. It's just training, eating the right way,

sleeping the right way, watching tape. My life is completely consumed with fighting. So it's been, it's been, I would never do it again, but it's obviously been a huge blessing. So the, how does it even, I mean, it must hurt your business though, or it doesn't, or it doesn't, like that you had that title.

Of course, I mean, it's definitely- Did you endorsements doesn't, or doesn't it? Like that you had that title. Of course. I mean, it's definitely. Did you endorsements that were taken away from you? And yeah, I lost all my endorsements. I mean, I have some now, right? I've picked them up with just who I am. And I feel like I've handled this issue. A lot of people will get, I mean,

it's a very common thing people get in trouble in my sport for things like this. But I've been the first one to kind of like own up to it and just kind of, like look, I'm not going to hide from it. I didn't take a taint in self-emame. I did it on purpose. I messed up. Like, if you're a person that's never I've been the first one to kind of like own up to it and just kind of like look I'm not going to hide from it. I didn't take a tainted supplement. I did it on purpose. I messed up.

If you're a person that's never made a mistake in your life, I don't trust you. Right. Like you said, you own up to it. There's so many athletes that out there who deny it, deny it, deny it, and they blame everybody else. And that's what vilifies them in a way, right? But I feel like if you're someone who made a mistake and you said, yeah, you know, and that's what makes, that's what vilifies them in a way, right? But I feel like if you're someone who made a mistake and you're like, yeah, you know, listen,

that's why I think makes you not just human, but like, you're likable, right? Because, no, because you're like, yeah, I fucked up, but I did and, well, here you go, here's my belt, you know? Just like I mean, like I said, I mean, everyone makes mistakes in their lives and it's all about like the way you handle it, right? Handle it like a man and step up and do what's right.

Obviously I did what's wrong and now I'm gonna let you know that I did. So what made you say this because of the anemia that you took this stop, yeah? So I was waking up ridiculously tired and I couldn't figure it out. I mean, I was training the hardest I ever trained. Working out, I was waking up every morning

and I from the run and out before I went to my other two or three practices throughout the day. I mean, I'm working out nonstop and I'm wake up and just be like, not looking forward to the day, like tire, not wanting to train, not wanting this and just like, and I'm a very scientific the way I train. I met a string-ishing coach, nutritionist, life coach, it kind of helped me out with all that.

And so I really, in tune with my body. And so I got all my blood work done and figured out what was going on and I was becoming anemic. I was losing when you're anemic, you have obviously many rib blood cells. It strips your body of rib blood cells and you build more white blood cells because you put in the stress on your body. And so when you have less rib blood cells, you're not transporting oxygen as well. And so when you take an anemic medication, that's what it does. So the reason why it's illegal is it can improve your endurance, which I'm not a triathlete, right?

I'm not trying to do it for, I'm not going to go wrong with the Kenyans and stuff, right? I'm more of an anaerobic athlete. I mean, it might have its benefits, but I was bringing myself back to normal. So I knew that there's something wrong, and I don't know if Otomo will make the fight without it. I decided to do something that had never been done before and drop down a weight class to get another belt. And I, you know, I took so much over the devil, as you'd say.

Right. I messed up and I wanted to, I wanted this to happen so bad because of it had never been done. I believe in the best fighter in the world to ever do it. And I wanted to prove that. And so I was willing to do something I shouldn't and not do for it. But didn't you realize it was going to show up on a blood test or? No, I didn't. I was told it wasn't going to. Yeah, I was told it wasn't going to.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Who gave you that? Who told you that? Ah, I'm not going to get into that. You know, it's my, it's my, I mean, even if someone else told me that, I'm the one that made that decision. Yeah. You know, I'm the one that, it's not no reason to bring in what else to drive them to the end.

But no one else got in trouble? No, there's me. Wow. Nobody else got in trouble. No, I mean us. Like I said, so unusual. Usually what's, like, this happens, the team goes down.

Yeah, I mean, I got offered to sell people out to try to get a shorter sentence in this and that. But to me, like I said, it wasn't worth it. I made the mistake. And I needed to get shoulder surgery. I needed the time off. So I said, screw it. Like, I'm going to take my time.

I'm going to take my punishment and take it like a man. So there's no reason to drag anybody else's name to the mud and try to mess with any of that. So. Wow. And also, you have that ear that all these fighters have. What is that? Like someone might, someone might your ear or like, what is that?

It's called call flower ear. I think the name call flower just because it looks like, when people get it real bad, it looks like a piece of vegetable. Yeah, yeah, that's, I was gonna say it. I didn't want to be rude. You know, completely rude, you know. But it's a hardened blood.

So just like getting a bruise and inflammation blood will go to that area. But when it goes to your ear, it has nowhere to go afterwards. So it just hardens. And so it's, I mean, you could squeeze it as hard as you want. It would never hurt. And was it just because you had punched so much in the ear or some of the bit you know, your ear?

A lot of wrestlers get it. Yeah, that's right. And when you get it more from grappling than you do from striking, when you take like an accidental elbow or a headbutt or a knee to the ear, it swells up just from like being bru bruised from the injury being there and then the blood can't go anywhere. So it stays in there and it hardens in it, almost turns into like a cast. And I drained them. So if I went to drain them, they would have been

really big. And so I did it myself because if you go and get it done by a doctor, they had to put like, you have to be out of training for like 12 weeks. But I would just take a syringe and I would suck the blood out of my ear and I'd wear a band-in and really tight and then I have to do it probably for a couple weeks straight every night because it would come back. It would come back. It would come back. It didn't hurt. Very bad.

Yeah, very bad. Do you have like no pain sensors at all? Like I don't understand how you're able to do these things. I do. I'm just like everyone, but I think the more you get used to it, easier to just deal with it. I get used to everyone, but I think the more you get used to it, easier to just deal with it. I get used to paying, I guess.

What, as a kid, obviously you were probably a very good athlete. You're probably a good, a lot of different sports. So what made you say, you know what, I want to become a fighter. I didn't ever think I was going to be a fighter. I wrestled my whole life. Wrestling fell me because of my dad, my dad was a wrestler, and then my stature. I was good at other sports. I played a lot of football and baseball and all that.

They growing up, those were great. Yeah, growing up, I played them. But then when I got into high school, I knew that I was the best at wrestling at all those other sports. I was good at everything else, but wrestling was like my real future to get into college kind of thing.

Yeah. And I knew that. So I gave up every other sport, and I only wrestled, which got me a full-right scholarship to Cal State Fullerton. I graduated from Cal State Fullerton. I've been there for five years. So I have a degree in clinical exercise science. And then after I graduated, I was enrolled in grad school to become a physician's assistant.

And my assistant wrestling coach at a time talked me into fighting Mark Munoz is his name. He was a UFC fighter at the time while he was coaching me and wrestling and he's like, man I really think you should try this out. You're an aggressive wrestler. You're really good I think you could be good at it. I never reached my goals in wrestling to what I felt like I could do So I decided to drop out of school and continue to compete. I mean, I never done, I never like had a real job. I've never competing has been my life. Compete has been my job. So I was going to try to be a physician's assistant working at doctors off-ass and my wife at the time was my girlfriend, Damien, is my wife now. I said like, I don't know

about you. You're doing this. I just don't know if it's for your lifestyle. Like, you've been nothing but a gem rat. And so she was all for it. I mean, obviously it's scary because you broke, right? I mean, I lived on a couch for a year in someone's house and tried to like moe lawns and stuff to make money on the side to be able to pay for my habit of wanting to fight, but obviously it paid off. All right, so what happened?

So like, you're really not making, how do you start making money in this? Cukus, walk me through it because I'm really just curious. So here you are, you're gonna be, you're wrestling. Someone says you have some like talent, you should go into the UFC stuff, or go into the, Mixed Martial Arts.

Mixed Martial Arts. Look, how do you then make, do you take some random jobs on the side while you're fighting? What's the training? Like at that level, at that stage, jobs on the side while you're fighting, what's the training? At that level, at that stage, what kind of training do you do to even get to be good enough to even become a UFC fighter? Being your wrestlers a big advantage in the sport of MMA. That's why you see a lot of big name fighters

or champions or wrestlers to begin with. Like Chuck Lidell with you, a wrestler? He's sort of wrestling, yeah. He's more of a brawler, right? I know. I've listed that. I showed you how much I know. You know, he's sort of wrestling.

Russell the Ka-Polly. Say hello to baseball. So he wrestled. I mean, there's a lot of guys that you mean. How about George St. Pierre? He was never a wrestler, but he turned out to be a great wrestler. He was more of the Taikwondo background, I believe. Kenneth is not really big into wrestling.

I'm Canadian. Are you? Yeah. From where? I'm from Winnipeg, originally, and then, yeah. It's cool. Very cool. You even know where it is.

I'm super impressed. I've been, I've been a seminar up there, and it was freezing. Oh, it's beyond it. It's beyond, okay. And then I live in Toronto for many years. But yeah, but you know, wrestling isn't like a big thing there, you know? It's not hockey.

It's all but hockey. Yes, yeah. I mean, it's becoming more popular because of you, because of MMA. Of him, because he's a big, but wasn't he the best in the world? Or wasn't he? Yeah, he's one of the goats.

He's one of the greatest of all time. Right. He's got a huge name in the sport. I'm even came back at a retirement, I want to belt again, and I was retired. And he, is he heavyweight with his belt? No, he was a 170, what is that?

Walterweight. And then he came back and I think he won a middleweight too. So he's come back and fought in different weight classes. So he's a, yeah, he's in high time grades. One of my favorites, especially just because the way he's super respectful and handles himself too. Yeah. And he's like one of those straight shooters.

Yeah. He's a good guy. But for wrestling, when you graduate, there's not a professional, like, you know, baseball you can go, we M.O.B. basketball, NBA, all that good stuff. There's like a road to get there. Yeah. I mean, but for wrestling, there's not. I mean, you can go wrestle for the Olympics and things like that, but that's a hard road.

You don't get paid very low. And I believe wrestling is the hardest sport in the world. And that's why there's so many great champions in the MMA world that it were wrestlers because of they learned how to work hard. They, not only the form of martial arts, it makes you good, but just the work that they get takes to be good at wrestling is very tough.

So MMA is almost our professional sport when you graduate college, or when you get down with wrestling and you want to go to the next sport, MMA's it. And so a lot of wrestlers have done that. But. So how did you get good at that?

Because you weren't doing that. So at your start. I got talked into my coach. I moved up to Sacramento to train with team off a male. They had a bunch of guys in my weight class that were the best in the world. The URIF favors the Chad Mendesis, the Josephine Videsis. They were all around my weight class and they were the top one, two, three in the world. And so I decided to move there and kind of copy what they were doing.

And back then the sport was still so new that it was just go to the gym and beat the crap out of each other. You know, learn how to box, learn how to kick box, learn to get to, learn all these other forms of martial arts other than wrestling that can help me be a well-rounded fighter and really just beat the crap out of each other and see if you have what it takes. Placing Deals, Boundless Options It's Hot Grill Summer at Whole Foods Market from June 14 through July 4. Fire up the grill with quality cuts at the best prices. We're talking animal welfare certified meat.

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today. How many hours a day were you training at that stage? years USA get a quote today. and I mean, I'm not very good. So just to think about, just to get good at what, that one modality in martial art would take me 20, it took me four hours a day, just to do that. So you're having to learn kickboxing, just to all these other kinds, in such a finite period, how do you become from a wrestler to mix,

you have to become a master at MMA to become the best UFC fighter. 100% a worker you're asked off. And like you said, you're broke too. And you have no money, right? Well, you make money either side jobs or taking fights. And so, I only trained for two months before I took my first fight. And I was strictly a wrestler.

I thought I knew how to throw a punch, right? But I'm a strictly a wrestler to strictly wrestle when I go out there and use my attributes of being a wrestler to win. And within the first year, I got on the TV show Ultimate Fighter. I remember that show. Yeah, just by being a wrestler. And even I made it to the finals Ultimate Fighter

with pretty much being a wrestler. And trying to pick these other things up along the way. And just putting in, I mean, worked my ass off, just being obsessed and just putting in, I mean, worked my ass off, just being obsessed and just watching tape, being in the gym, getting my ass kicked. I mean, you learn by losing. So, six hours a day, you said you were training a day?

On average, I mean, obviously your body can only take so much, so there's days you have to take off. And there's people are like fighting you. It's like pushing and punching and kicking. And especially back then, we weren't very scientific about it. It was a little more meat headish and we just, I mean, it's kind of crazy to think about it and how unhealthy it is. We probably spared like four, five days a week, which is pretty much going live, just beating each other out, right? Which is not good for your brain, you know?

But they're punching your head? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah. As a need to get ready for a fight, when you got a fight. So we're a lot smarter about it. Now we do a lot more drilling with my camp. We've started to take care of our bodies. I mean, I sleep with a heart rate monitor on. I test all my hormone levels.

I do a hair analysis to find out what toxins are in my body. I'm on a certain kind of diet. The metabolic diet is best for my body. The supplementation I take, the same my supplements and my teammate's supplements, even though we train with the same coach are completely different because they're all designed for my DNA.

Because I know what I need in my body to come back to homeostasis. I might have not enough vitamin B or my adrenal glands are shot, so I need a adrenal complex or I have not enough magnesium. Things like that, so it was taking different things to begin my hormone levels. Maggciable, my hormone level is completely naturally with my diet, with doing cold-press juicing, with going intermittent keto and the supplementation. So the diet that you're on,

so back then you're just basically, like you must have a stamina, like people are punching you and just getting back up and you must have had a million broken bones. And not as many broken bones, but it's hard on your joints. I mean, that's why I need a shoulder surgery for three years and it's kind of tipped it out. I mean, I've had knee surgery.

Yeah, it's been. Who would pick, like who says to themselves? You know what, I was gonna get the crap kicked out of me. Like, but why? But I guess like, because you didn't want to work in an office and you didn't want to be a physician's assistant, you thought. I was good at it.

I mean, I guess it was primal. I grew up with two brothers. I was gonna say, what makes somebody a good fighter besides work ethic, of course? Being addicted to competition, no one that I can just be the baddest human on the planet. It's amazing. I don't know.

It kind of finds you, to be honest. Not everyone's coming very little or cut out for it, but I don't know. I think I was just the way I was raised. And you seem so sweet and nice. Okay, so. And you look at, I'm telling you, you look at people long, like, in like,

I went on those like, you know, bitty bop, like, magazines, you know, for like teenage runs. I don't know if they're in sold or a common one. No, you're like this cute, sweet, like, blonde with some dimples, like, you look like, you know, like that kid, I don't know, who's cute? Who's like, Zach Efron, like, you go on,

like as a little like, sex symbol for like, teen-y boppers, you know? I would never expect you to be in it. To be honest though, like you belong like as a little like sex symbol for like teeny boppers, you know? I would never expect you to be in it. Honestly, like most people think like MMA fighters like seeing them on TV and how ruthless this sport is that they're gonna be dicks when they meet them, which there are some, but I'd say as a whole, they're very humble, respectful people.

I mean, you think about the world of martial arts and it's hard to have a chip on your shoulder when you go in the gym and get your ass kicked for a living. Because you're never gonna have, every day you're not gonna have your best day. If you're training at a good gym like you should be, there's guys that are gonna push you to that next level and so they're gonna beat you up some days, right?

So it's hard to have like this big chip on your shoulder like you're the man at all times because you've never been the man at all times. You've gotten beat up. And so I feel like that sort of training humbles a lot of people. And so like I said, I think on 90% to even maybe even higher of the MMA fighters I know

are the nicest people I've ever met. Yeah, and the funny thing is you're, I think you're actually correct because a lot of the MMA people I know or beat or people who are boxers even, when you meet them in person, they're like very soft spoken and kind and nice. And then they're like an animal in the cage.

When you're confident, there's no need to be a tough guy. When you know you can fuck someone up, I don't need to show that I can, it's like a defense mechanism. When you're someone that's not sure if you can beat someone, you gotta act tough. That's just that's so true. It's the people who mechanism when you're someone that's not sure if you can beat someone, you're like, you gotta act tough, right? That's just that's so true. Yeah.

It's the people who know they're good, they don't have to like scream out on the rooftop. With anything it is. It's like silent. Yeah, with anything, not just this. Yeah, business, whatever it may be, like if you are good and you know it and like have proved it, you don't need to pump chest up and act like a big shot. No, I agree with you. So then since, so when did it start changing where it became then,

you were trading much more scientifically at what point? Took a long time. I got involved in the sport. I was that team off of male, which was very raw, like very talented team, like insanely talented, but we were just, I don't know, everyone was attracted to each other and trained their asses off. That was, I was there for three years, and then head coach came in, Dwayne Ludwig, and we hired, we've never had a head coach. It was just fighters coaching each other, never had a coach, but we always, no one ever

could become a world champion. It was always, we had number two's and three's, no one could ever break that threshold. And so we all kind of got together and we're like, oh, we need to coach. We need someone that can help us technically to push us to that next level. And after all the research we did without Duane Ludwig was the guy. He was an X UFC fighter that was due to injury,

had to retire. We hired him from Colorado. We moved out. And within that next year, we went on an insanely big winning streak. I won a world title. A bunch of the guys did really well. I think they only lost like one fight out of all 15 people there throughout the year.

So we did awesome. He won coach the year two years in a row. So after I won that world title, he decided to move back home to Colorado and open his own gym back out there. So I followed him. I followed him out there, which actually got a lot of shit for it. With the media, within my team, everyone's like, oh you're a traitor, this and that, these guys have brought you up.

But to be honest, no one's ever trained me the way that Duane Ludwig did and as it put as much work into me as he did, me and him, like still to this day we're family. When I'm in training camp, he flies back, I'll get to that. He flies back out to Colorado to, deliver me for 12 weeks. So I'm more family now, but I followed him out to Colorado because I'm on my quest to be the best martial artists in the world. And I knew that following him was the right choice. And so I moved to Colorado. I trained there for three years, continuing this quest with him. And then when I decided to get in all that time, I mean, throughout the years,

he got more and more scientific, but it hasn't gotten to the level I'm at now, until I met Sam Calavita, who lives in New York, Belinda. He is a genius. I mean, he's a straight up genius. He started in NASA, was like helped develop the nuclear anti-defense system, missed a couple of Christmases,

and didn't want to be away from his family, so he became a calculus teacher, moved home. He was an old-defense system, miss a couple of Christmases and didn't want to be away from his family. So he became a calculus teacher, moved home. He was an old-time wrestler, got involved in triathlete, got into Iron Man's and so he wanted to learn about the body and he became an expert. And now he's the reason why my body it fires away it does. He's the reason why I move back to Southern California.

From the way I train, from the way I train, from the way I sleep, from the way I eat, the supplementation, the strength conditioning I do is all underneath his eye. Like I said, I sleep with a heart rate monitor on. So I know when I wake up, how if I'm over-trained or if I'm ready to go, kind of thing, like we train my body based off of how I'm waking up or how I'm sleeping and how we recover day in the next day. So how does he start? And this is the part I'm fascinated about. So like, start from the beginning, really.

Like, OK. So I was a world champion. I was looking to get my belt back. And so I had to coach the ultimate fight. I was on the ultimate fighter to get into the UFC. Then I came back to coach it against Cody Gargrant to win my belt back. OK, but wait, how did you train to even win the world champion

and even to win that in the first place? Yeah. How were you training? What were you eating? I know hard. Yes, okay. I'm like, didn't I didn't care what I ate? It was anything.

I don't know why. I just thought it was work harder than everyone. Work harder than everyone. I had a couple of friends on the team that were gluten free and I was like, whatever, man. I'll eat extra gluten. I don't even care. I was like, Pfft, whatever, man. I'll eat extra gluten.

I don't even care. I'll eat pizza, I'll eat whatever I want. I'll train hard, and I became a world champion. I didn't, it was so mental. I mean, And you didn't do any type of, so nutrition was just whatever. Yeah.

But you worked out hours and hours a day. Did you, at that time, did you have a specific time you woke up every morning? What was your workout like? I mean, we had a schedule that we had practiced from like 10 to 12 and then I would maybe hit mids throughout the day where you did two at night. We had that kind of schedule. Okay, tell me what that was. No, I'm a reason behind it. We just that's what time. That's what you did.

Like the gym we're at, ultimate fitness, just had like, okay, we have a time frame from 10 to 12 where there's not very many normal members. So we'll do a pro practice. What is a pro practice. But it's a pro practice. I quote, no. Any MMA fighter that's trying to become a professional fighter and you're training to compete. So someone wants to come do cardio kickboxing,

we have a class for that, right? They're paying the gym a membership. But myself or these other guys that want to become a UFC fighter, they show up from 10 and 12 to do our MMA practice and we beat the we beat each other. And then we, then from then you kind of set your own training up. Like I had a striking coach, master tongue, it was my first Muay Thai instructor. I would set up individual training times with him throughout the day where I'd go and hit mids with him for an hour, where he would teach me how

to become a Muay Thai fighter. And then I knew I needed to get good at Jiu Jitsu. So there was a Jiu Jitsu class on Tuesday, Thursdays and evenings that I would show up to. And most of the pros would show up to that as well too. And we would do jujitsu. So whatever, so say you came in and you weren't a wrestler, like I was a wrestler. So I didn't need to like spend as much time focusing on wrestling. Guys that would come in and they were at a striking background, they would practice at different times because they wanted to focus more on wrestling. So depending on who you were as an individual, as how you based your practice. And so for me, that was just how it worked out.

It was just a wild, wild west, just, I mean, figuring out the sport. And at that time, you never were monitoring your sleep, or your supplements. And it's like supplements, but it was like, whatever way protein I was taking. Right. Whenever you heard it was kind whatever way protein I was taking. Right. Whenever you've heard was kind of the good thing.

Like omega three. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever's new hybrids in there. Yeah, I was taking that. Yeah. But then when Dwayne Ludwig came and sort of coach in practices, the practices became more structured and then the technique, especially with me and him, like, or one I want.

He was my new kickboxing coach and he was our new MMA coach. And when he came in, I might, my skills went through the roof. Like I went from, I was in the UFC already and I was winning big fights, but he came in and then I instantly started, I mean, I was beating everyone by being a good wrestler with some striking,

but then he came in his background is striking. I became a kick boxer. Like instantly, like I love the way he taught technique. I love the way that he drilled it. The science he brought behind it, as in science, I mean, like, I the way he taught technique. I love the way that he drilled it. The science he brought behind it, as in science, I mean like I'm slipping punches this way. I wanna do this things. I'm doing certain moves at certain times.

And he broke it down to be like a program, which he still has. It's the BMT Bang-Moy type program. He's the one that took me to the roof. And that's why I followed him to Colorado, because he is the best coach in the world. And I truly believe that. And so when he came in, I won my first world title.

I went on a run, it started knocking everyone out. I won my world title, followed him to Colorado. I lost my belt to a split decision, which was bullshit. I should have never lost it, but I did. And I learned something from it. I think you learn more from your losses than you do any of your victories. I learned to from it. I think you learn more from your losses than you do any of your victories. I learned to not fight emotional.

You know, when I lost that fight, Dominic Cruz was very smart at getting under my skin and pissing me off. He was out from retirement for a while, not retirement for injury for a while, and came back and he really pissed me off. He talked a lot of smack, which I hadn't had to deal with that yet. Right. And so the entire fight I was trying to knock him out, I was trying to hurt him. Like, I forgot about technique and I saw red, and I wanted to with that yet. And so the entire fight I was trying to knock him out, I was trying to hurt him. Like, I forgot about technique and I saw red

and I wanted to just murder him. And he used that and I still believe I won the fight. I mean, most people do, but he made it close enough to where he won because he pissed me off so much. So I had to learn from that. So what happened? What was the thing that happened that he got it?

A decision. Yeah, the judges, right? So there's like, there's three judges watching the fight and just a base off opinion. And they think they won the fight. They go through and they kind of score it. Like, oh, we got to take down or he's controlling the octagon. Maybe he did more damage and every judge sees it differently.

And so it was a split decision where, so one judge, so there's, is it three judges? Yeah, three judges. So one judge thought I won three rounds of two, one judge thought he won three rounds of two, and the other one thought he won three rounds. So it was like just a very mixed, very close fight. And so I lost it, but taking away, made me a way, way better fighter

because I learned to fight having fun. I knew that when I was a fighter going out there to show off and be the best and just. I knew that when I was a fighter going out there to show off and be the best and just have fun with it, I was unstoppable. When I went out there and fought angry and emotional, I had holes in my game. And so I had to learn that. If it wasn't then, I don't know, I would never would have been who I was. The irony is amazing. You can't go in, you beat the crap out of someone if you're angry or emotional. You're gonna be happy and jolly. Not only fights that way, some people fight better angry. You know, some people fight, and everyone finds the way they're wired, right? Not everyone, if everyone in the way I fought, maybe like they're not as attentive

and just everyone works differently. And I know that I work better when I'm having fun. So the guy in Colorado that you followed, did he put you on any kind of regiment besides the teaching you, the techniques of certain martial arts or the physical part? He did all the physical training with you right physical training. I mean, I had a string conditioning coach there too, and they put a program together too like these days we're doing metabolic training these days we're doing string training, maybe this days a rowback like that, that kind of schedule. But not to anywhere close to what I have now. Still very, I mean it's good, it's still a world class what I was doing but... Just next level now. I mean no one's doing this. This is very cutting edge, no one in the world is doing it unless they have someone like Sam

Calvita. I mean this guy's... Tell me what he does with you. I mean, so I met him on Ultimate Fighter. I brought him on as a coach to help me coach my fighter. So as I was a coach, I was coaching seven guys to become the next Ultimate Fighter. And so I brought him on to help me out

with my strength, niche, and regiment. I was gonna put those guys on with. And I met him through some friends. But once I met him, I just kind of picked his brain. And once I realized how much he knew and how much he could do with me, it blew my mind that I was doing so much wrong. Like my diet, the way I was redlining my body,

I mean, it showed eventually when I get to that, when I did it on my test, it showed my testosterone was so low. And I was training so hard, but that's why. I just didn't listen to my body. I was redlining my body for so many years that I just destroyed my endocrine system. I woke up and felt like shit and was sick

and tired, I would still go workout because more is better, right? I'm gonna work harder in this guy, I'm gonna wake up, I'm gonna be obsessed, I'm gonna work out harder, I'm gonna push the next level, I'm gonna beat this guy. But ultimately I was like just crashing my body and over years it just took a toll on me. But so when I first met him, it's so true. I just

want to say like people don't realize that like it's not all less than sometimes more, right? Smart. You got to be smart. Right. Because the recovery actually is when you actually heal your body. Yeah. That's one of my my cortisol levels to come back down. Right. Stosh. I'll go through the roof. I'll make bigger gains. I'm happier, I get to spend time with my family, like there's times you need to take a break. Eventually you'll crash.

But the first thing I learned was the nutrition from him, and then I decided to do my next training camp down at the next one. Oh, so it's a no-but-so-fast, I wanna hear the nutrition. So what was the nutrition stuff he gave you? So no grains, no complex sugars. It's kinda, the closest diet we are to, we're not keto It's kind of the closest diet we are to. We're

not keto, but it's the closest thing we're to. I call it like almost intermediate keto, like in and out of ketosis. By the way, it's hard to do when you have no, like you have like a, I think I was just saying this is someone the other day, like it's hard to be in ketosis unless you are super, super diligent with monitoring it, right? You have a team of people, you have one guy who's monitoring you. Yeah, but then I do my,

he teaches me how to do it and then I do it myself. I do everything myself. And he teaches me the way. And if he knew I was a one to do it, then he wouldn't take me on as a... No, no, I know, I'm just saying, like, you're just an example of someone that you're like the one the best in the world

So of course you're gonna figure out you're gonna be extremely diligent, right? So you made you feel that what that you're doing it It made a major difference in your performance and I don't and I don't and you're just one thing is different with him too is I wasn't guessing like oh, I think I feel better Yeah, right cuz you could be a placebo, but we're doing testing like I know Every level of that that he tests has gotten better from my diet and from the way I train. You know, like Mike said, my home levels were better.

The hair, I'll get to the hair and out. The hair analysis were better. My looked better. My energy was better. My mind clarity was better. My times on my training, and my weights were better. From the keto's kind of intermittent diet. From everything. So it's not just so hard to put a finger on one thing when you're doing

so much stuff. I know. So the first thing I started with. Yeah, let's start with that. Was diet. Yeah, so intermittent. So like I said, I'm not keto, but I put my body in ketosis because of how hard I work out. Right. Because you're burning carbs when you're working out, but I want a teach me I'm body to be a fat burning machine. So there's times I do certain things, which I'll get to all that. But the diet wise, it's close to keto, but it's not like I still eat fruits, right? Those are simple carbs. Those are simple sugars. I don't eat complex sugars

that are like a redefined sugar. Right. I get it from fruits and things like that. No complex carbs, which are no grains, things that will turn into sugar, grains turn into sugar in your body. And so I don't do any complex carbs, all like sweet potatoes, fruits, vegetables, things like that. And then high protein, high fat diet. And so I saw myself shred out,

I saw my hormone levels go through the roof. Also the next thing I did with him was the hair analysis. He takes a hair analysis and he'll judge, he'll they send it to a lab and they burn it and they they they'll find the toxins that are in your body, they'll find the minerals that are in your body, they'll find like what you need to get out what so all my body to be homeostasis. I need maybe more magnesium like I said before, maybe I need more, I need to get adrenal complex and he'll tell all that from my hair. He cuts it off from like my brainstem area.

He sends it into a lab and they tell me what I have too much of, what I have too little of, and he creates my supplementation. Obviously, everyone's on the same kind of amino's and things like that, but when it comes to my trace minerals, they're all different. Everyone's different. Everyone, you may have lived your life differently. Like, I had a, what arsenic in my body? High levels of arsenic,

which it could have came from chewing tobacco in college, or maybe my tattoos, or you can get it from rice and things that were growing in the water. Right, grace has that. Because it's growing in water. You know, water that is grown is bad, you know. So that was the next thing I did with them. Obviously doing like a hormone test and realizing that

what I was doing was making differences. And then I started sleeping with a heart rate monitor on to realize like my recovery level. So I wasn't redlining my body anymore because if you redline your body, everything's gonna crash. So I knew when I could train hard and when I had to go lighter. And I judged that off of the way I was recovering.

And then I, what else would I be like a sense of change? Oh, I started doing a lot more of road work, but scientific running. We called it low base. So I wanted my aerobic to be through the roof, but only so I can push my anerovic even further. I'm an anerovic athlete. I'm ex-facent, explosive, I build lactic acid, but I have to learn to push through.

When I get to my lactic threshold, I've learned to push through that. And the only way I can push through that is if my aerobic is high as well. And so my crossover point from when I burn fats to carbs, everyone's as different depending on how good a shape it is or how you eat. At the time, it was like, we'll say 141, which is okay. You want it to be like 160. So anytime my heart rate's under 140, I'm burning fat. Excuse me, my heart rate was getting above 140, I was burning carbs.

So I would do my runs, and I'd run for maybe an hour, half hour, depending on where I'm at in camp, and I would keep my heart rate under 140. So when I did that, I'm teaching my body to burn fats. And to make my aerobic go higher. So then my crossover point went from 140 to 160. And the higher my crossover point is, I don't start burning carbs until I get my heart rate

to that level. And then I can, so now when I push my heart to 160, I still burning fats. I don't build lactic acid. When I burn carbs and building lactic acid. So I changed that a lot by the way I was training. Why I was training. I was training. Were you doing hip training?

I guess it's close to hip training. I get like, hi-ent, yeah. I really don't know like the exact what hip training is, but what it's like. When you go like high interval, like when you do like interval training, when you go high, and then you do recovery, then you go high again,

like you're peaking your heart rate, going super high, then you're taking it down, up and down, up and down. Yeah, so that's the form of hit training. Knowing when to make your heart rate go high and when to make it not so high and for extended period of times, or like I only do my super harsh and interesting part of like twice a week.

Because I also feel like it affects your hormones, like your cortisol levels. 100%. When you get too high, I know even with me, like when I'm working out too hard, it doesn't do my body good all the time, right? Because my everything, my adrenals get screwed up, my hormones get screwed up.

So then how did they take the arsenic out of your body through the hair analysis? From a certain aminos and my self-mentation, like I was using certain things. So my cold-pressed juicing reg was taking, I was juicing certain things. So my cold-press juicing regimen came from my coach Sam Calvita, what I do with my cool, like, I- And you believe in that to be something that I just like-

Oh, it was a big change to my game. My wife hates me when I say this, but we couldn't get pregnant for like three years until I met Sam Calvita and I changed my diet and I started doing a lot of cold-press juicing and my hormones back up. Like I was redlining my body. Really? So my body was in fight or flight constantly. So it wasn't like, I'm gonna try it.

For back in the day, like if you were getting chased by tigers and you're stressed out all the time, you're not gonna let you have a kid, you're gonna die. So I feel like that's what my body was telling myself, like you're going through fight or flight, you can't have a kid right now.

So once I learned how to train right eat right into my We call it a dim juice like a Tells back my home on levels. We're able to have a kid. This is delicious. By the way Thank you. It's good. We're gonna talk about that. Yeah, he has a whole juice line that is absolutely It's changed my life and I know it'll change lots of other people's lives And that's what we said talk about it as well as pass on the message But you've done it like you said, it's accumulation. It's like, it's not just you're not just doing one thing,

right? You're doing everything. People always think, oh, you know, if I work out once a month a week, you know what I mean? You have to be able to have to eat properly. You have to exercise regularly. You've got to monitor your sleep. Not maybe not monitor your sleep.

Like you, but you have to sleep properly. I mean, it'll help. I mean, if you can monitor your sleep, even if you're not a professional athlete, you're gonna know like, cause your cortisol levels will still go, even just business, right? Like, I've noticed that in the last year,

I've been busier this last year than I've ever been my entire life. And I thought it was gonna be like, I'm gonna be a lot like, I'm gonna have all this time on my hands, you know? But I've been almost more stressed out this last year, dealing with business than I've ever been, you know? So still tracking my sleep and realizing how that's affecting you is a big part of it.

Maybe you got to do some sort of meditation before you go to sleep. Do you meditate? I do. Yeah. Okay, so what are some of your rituals? You said you don't like the word rituals, but what do I call it?

So what are your daily habits? I don't call them rituals because if I don't do them, I don't want them to mess with my whole life. Yeah, you don't want to get like- I don't have to do this anxiety. I do this a little time because then if you go into a fight and you can't get to do one certain thing, like thin as in your mind, right?

Yeah, it's so- I have, like you said, habits. Like I have things that I know it'll make me better so I do them, right? But if they don't happen, it's not the end of the world. So what are the habits? What are your habits that you do every day? And if you don't do that habit,

then you don't do that habit, then. Yeah, I wouldn't say I meditate every day but when I need it, I do it. And I've actually found this new, it's a big plug for them, but I found this new piece of equipment that helps me a lot with my meditation. It's like a guided meditation is called brain tap.

It's a headphones and meditation is called brain tap. It's a head phones and an app under phone that like and it depends on if you're doing it before sleep. If you're doing it when you wake up that these different programs you follow and it has a voice out fault makes you fall through meditation. Maybe I have multiple voices and you only catch it so so consciously it's got light sleep put over your over your eyes and helps you fall into meditation and I've noticed a big difference with that. So when I needed, I use it.

It's not something I have to use. But my juicing is a daily, I have to. So when I wake up in the morning, every morning, I juice lemon juice. I do that timidly before I eat or drink anything to alkaline my body. What do you put it? Is it water with lemons or?

Water and lemons. You can get out of like cayenne pepper and ginger and things like that if you want, but I just do lemon and water. Like a full lemon. I have an Omega juicer that I juice a full lemon and I do that the first thing in the morning because it will outline your body. Also the peel from the lemon helps boost your hormone levels.

Right. And that's the first thing I do. I do that every day. You don't peel it. No, no, no, you don't put the peel in the water. You just, you do. You do? You have no thing. So it's a, it's a, it's a masticating cold press juicer

that squeezes it really slow and pushes the whole thing through it. I mean, there'll be a little bit of remnist. It doesn't go into it. Oh, wow. I juice the whole thing. Does it? So is that, so that's more effective

than just putting the actual lemon juice from the lemon in there, like the actual, there's more nutrients in the peel than anything. And people do just the lemon, but the peel's got all the nutrients in it. So you take the entire, I wanna know about that machine, what's it called? The one I use is an Omega juicer, but the one I've started using now

because of my company is from Good Nature. And Good Nature is actually, so they make commercial-sized phones, is that means it's a $30,000 juice. That's a good idea. No one's gonna be, I'm not buying that one. But they, now they're making counter sized ones that are amazing.

They're gonna come out with it this year. It's pretty cool. I'm excited to get it. That's amazing. I used to put the whole, I used to put the whole lemon goes in there. A whole lemon, I'm using an Omega right now. It's a very good, it's gotta be masticating.

So it doesn't create speed. Like you see those juicers, you got whole foods in you use, and then you hear them, they grind things up, and they push it out. Well, they used heat to grind with that grinding, creates heat, and heat will kill the juice, or kill the nutrients in the juice.

Same as when you go to a grocery store, Sprouse, whole foods you ever may be, and you buy those cold-pressed juices off the shelf, and the last for 30 days, well, they high-pressure them. They pasteurize them with high-pressure with this heat, shelf in the last for 30 days, well, they high pressure them. They they they they pastorize them with higher pressure with this heat. And again, once again, kills all the nutrients. It's like defeating the purpose. You might get a little

bit from it, but not like what you're drinking right there. It is cold pressed. That is cold pressed and juice it every day. And Campbell. So the how long with this last four days? Wow. Yeah. And it's organic. And it's all, and there's no preservatives. It's organic. So it'll, I mean, and if you wait till like the third or fourth day to drink it, it gets a little more bitter. You drink it on the first day. Fresh. It's fresh. It's amazing. So it's, it's like the real deal, basically. I mean, that's why we're going to take over the world. Yeah. And I'm telling you,

I'm not just saying this because you're on the show. It's actually quite delicious. Thank you. I mean, that's why I believed in it. So I was on Joe Rogan's podcast, and I'm pretty much telling you, telling him the same stuff I'm telling you about how cool press juicing changed my life. And so the company Clean Juice reached out to me. It's a company out in Sergeant Charlotte. It's now a franchise. It was created by land and echoes and cat echoes. They created just because they wanted to be healthy.

And it took off, and the spread of the nation, they have 80 stores nationwide right now soon to be over a hundred, like 140, who are in development right now. But they reached out to me about sponsorship and so I vetted out the company and I realized how good they were compared to everything else I'm doing

because I only juice organic. I don't go buy my juices from the store. I juice it myself every day. And it's only organic when I best products. And I know it's that's what they do. And no one else does it. And that's what I'm doing at the press. Don't do it.

That's what I'm surprised. Get this expensive. Yeah, there's only USDA approved organic company. And so I was like, look, I want to open my own store. I don't want to be sponsored. I want to open a store. And so they accept me to clean juice family. And my first store is going to be open here at the end of this.

Well, we'll start doing business in December. Our grand opening will be the beginning of the year. New years resolutions come in to get to use, right? Yeah, it's timing. But yeah, I want to be part of the family and they accepted me. And not only they accept me, but now I'm an area of a, I'm an area developer.

So me and my business partners are opening 63 stores from San Diego to North LA. Anywhere within that range, I'm in charge of helping them open. If you were interested in opening a clean juice, you would come to me and help you find your location, how to, how to help run the store and just a plug-and-play system to help you be successful within clean juice kind of thing. Wow. And we're gonna take over because like I said, we're the only USDA approved juice bar. I mean, franchise really. I'm surprised at that.

You just because now, you know, now and days, everything is all about like organic, okay? And then to know that there's like all these places that are so popular are not even organic. Yeah. And now it's like, that's amazing. They pump a lot of stuff in it. Nathan, what are they pumping into their juices? Nathan, what are they pumping into their juices? Yeah, what are they putting their juices?

Seeker loves sugar. They're adding sugar to all their juices. Not only the not organic, they're making them taste goodbye and sugar to them, which sugar is the root of all evil. Diseases, autoimmune diseases, all this stuff is all from sugar and they're pumping and they're like, think about when John but juice came out and you thought it was healthy. Can you? I remember that. Yeah. First of all, I'm way older than you, but I remember when people thought they were being

healthy, like, oh, I'm going to have a job at juice. Yeah. I mean, there were like thousands of calories in that thing. Yes. It's all sugar. Yes. But the thing is, so you do have fruit. Fruit has sugar.

Fruit has sugar. So natural sugar. So you don't have a problem with natural sugar. It's actually good for you. But then why are so many people and athletes are so afraid of having fruit then? Because I'm with you. I think having fruit is a natural sugar. It's a natural carb.

It's a carb I need. So I go a low carb diet, but I go a low complex carbs. I need carbs. I work out and insane amount. I need carbs to burn. Right. So I get my carbs from fruit, from vegetables, and things like that. But you have to watch the amount of fruit you have

because a lot of time, maybe if I wasn't working out. All right, so if someone's trying to lose weight, right? Or on a weight, you're not in that situation, I know. But like, count calories or something. Or because fruit, there's a, because sometimes I am a huge, I love, love fruit and beyond. I can have like four pounds of grapes in like three seconds, like an, like an animal. But then if I don't want, I ate so much of it that I can, I gain weight

from it. I got to be careful. Yeah. But I mean, you've got to eat a lot of fruit for that to happen. So you're not afraid of that. And a lot of your juices are fruit base, whatever. Like the one you're drinking now is not all of your calories. I think lemon juice and the only thing it's in there is some sort of sugar in it. The other green I had is super green.

Sweet green. Sweet green. That one is delicious. Yeah, it's amazing. And it's my favorite for sure. Okay, so get back to your hotel. Basically, you make your what? Interesting. You wake up. You basically take that lemon, put in the water to help to to alkaline. I'll call my body to boost my hormone levels to, it gives me energy. I don't drink coffee because of that. I also do, I do a lot of nutritional yeast, which which has a ton of B12 in it. So I'll drink and it's disgusting.

You can put it on your food and you just don't have to be as disgusting, but I want to know I'm getting enough of it. So I'll put a couple of tablespoons of nutritional yeast. You buy it from a sprout, some whole food, something like that, and you just put it in a glass of water and pound it. It will get so much energy from it.

It's got so much vitamin B, and it helps also your absorption rate and your stomach to help with your supplements and your food. I love that. No one's ever heard energy from it. It's got so much vitamin B, and it helps also your absorption rate and your stomach to help with your supplements and your food. I love that. No one's ever said that to me before. Nutritional yeast. I mean, put it on your popcorn.

It's amazing. Put it on your vegetables. It's so good. It tastes good. Yes. That way it does. If you do it the way I do it, it's pretty harsh. Yeah.

And I've just pounded it and I followed up with me some juice or something else. It's like a chaser. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think a chaser. But you me some juice or something else. It's like a chaser. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think a chaser. But you can add it to your food. It's so good for you. Like my wife will bake it on her broccoli or we'll put it on our popcorn and things like that. It tastes really good.

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because it'll harden. But that like a met a very clean version of metamusel. Yeah, yeah, it's like a probiotic sport. It like, it like helps you like when you take probiotics, it'll help line your stomach for that probiotic. If you just take a probiotic and you're not healthy, I mean, your stomach is just as important as your brain. Like a lot of things that come from your stomach

affects your brain. The neurons are going back and forth. So I do a lot of sodium husk, which will clean you out. And every day you do that. Try to, I mean, I don't do back and forth. So I do a lot of Cilium Hust, which will clean you out. And every day you do that? Try to, I mean, I don't do it every day, but I try to, again, it's a habit, not a ritual, right? Sorry, yes. I gotta be very careful.

I gotta say it yet today, but I try to, if I know I've been eating bad or something like that, I need to clean myself out. It's not all those things that will clean you out and have loose stool. Like you're gonna go to the bathroom, like bigger than you've ever done in your entire life.

Really, okay, I would try this. I'd clean you up for sure. And so where do you buy, where do you get just any brand of Silly and Puss? Silly and Puss sort of, do you buy it in a bulk or? You can buy them in big containers, or I can buy out of Amazon.

The Silly and Puss can buy off Amazon, as long as it's organic and from reputable source, and I'll buy it from Amazon, about my my nutritional yeast from sprouts. But can you get if you took silly and ask every day would your body then need to take it to go to the bathroom because you get used to it? No. No. Okay. And then so the anything else in the let's go like in the nutrition space that you are habitually doing. I take a lot of probiotics. Again, another plug.

None of these are sponsors on top. No, I know, I'm just... I'm just letting you guys know, I use a lot of stuff from Rokola. Rokola is a website's e-commerce-based nutritional store from a supplement and things like that. Only protein and tickets from Rokola. Which protein do you take?

I take the way it's their sports performance way protein. I'll take like casings and stuff and I'm trying to put weight on. But for the most part, I usually just take a way protein or maybe a hemp. Okay, and then. And then. And then I'll clean burning proteins.

And then I get my vitamin Cs from there. I'll get my probiotic as a ritual. Okay. I'll take a lot of probiotics because again, your gut is so important for all the nutrients that it's going to help you with your brain function, with the way you live your life so much. But isn't it important to know what probe? I mean, I've heard that not one probiotic is the

same for you as it is for me, right? Because everyone has a different, you know, gut. And so, when you just take one off of the shelf, I heard it's kind of, it's useless, right? It could be, it depends on like, the product. I just take, well, my coach just told me to take that he's done the research for. He's done all the hard-knit-igriddy stuff. I just believe in him and I do it.

So the pro-brox I take are the live pro-bottles from Marcola. Okay, and then do you eat meat, chicken, beef? I eat tons of meat. Okay. I'm a big time hunter. I'm an archery hunter. So any kind of meat I eat red meat wise is killed by myself.

So I wouldn't got a elk this year in September. I just got a white tail deer this last month and that'll feed me and my family for the next year and a half for meat wise. I don't buy meat. I only, I mean, if you want to talk about organic grass fed, my ass is grass fed and organic because it gets as harvesting it yourself.

And you get a lot of shit for it from people that don't understand hunting, like, especially here in California, I posted something on Instagram. I was gonna say you'd be like, all like 2,000 comments of just people being dicks, right? Sure, so have you seen the movie Game Changers on Netflix? The, I mean, the documentary. Is that the one about being a vegan? Of course, have you seen the movie Game Changers on Netflix? I mean, a documentary?

Is that the one about being a vegan? Yeah. I have. It's completely bullshit. Excuse me, but it's for as much propaganda in that movie, right? Like who produced that? You know what I mean? Like is it General Mills?

It's a we are some sort of weak company. Right, right. Same thing that meat market steward, big-time tobacco companies do. It's not propaganda. Well, I love how they pick like three vegan athletes and be like, you know, because this person's the best in the world, but for every single vegan athlete,

I can show you like a hundred thousand who are like, you know, eating chicken, right? And then like, did you see that part about the, like the guy's erection? Like if you're now, Oh yeah, that's so funny. Right, if like, if you, if you're a vegan, you know, your erections, that's much bigger. I mean, it thought so funny. Right, if you're a vegan, you know, your erections does much bigger.

I mean, it was so crazy. If I was eating some sort of meat products is probably from McDonald's or Chick-fil-A or whatever it may be from, rather than grass fed, nori, no anabot, it kind of meat. It's different as well, where you're getting it. So people that don't understand hunting,

they'll go on by a big Mac. What do you think that that how that life that beef lived right lived in a box and slaughtered? I'm going out and this more but went on to the wild and hunted there be less tortured farm animals, right? And you want to talk about me be an ethical and humane, but I'm actually taking Going on doing it myself work. I mean I act 120 miles in 10 days climbed over 4,000 feet elevation every day, put the hard work in myself to get this animal, I harvested it in a while, the wild at a pack, 1200 pounds of meat out on my back.

Like, isn't it insane amount of work and you wanna go in the top cap about it, you know? You know what I find, you know what you could have done? Not to be like, you know, your life coach. You could have been a Navy SEAL. I, yeah, I mean. You have the same type of, you know, your life coach. You could have been a Navy SEAL. I, yeah. I have the same type of, you know, I'm not a Navy SEAL, but you seem to have the same mindset and like kind of like,

you know, oh, that's my son. That's my son. Same kind of like threshold as what a Navy SEAL or a green beret would have. Because you had like, because I appreciate that because I think very highly of you. Oh, me too. I'm saying like, but it only is a green beret would have. Cause you had like, cause I appreciate that cause I think very highly. Oh me too, I'm saying like, but it only is a very particular type of person.

You have to have, you're gonna be so badass and so, have such a killer mindset that to do that. It sounds like if it's a network out for you and that you have sea space, that would have been a great avenue for you. And I think it's wrestling. I really believed it,

like a lot of the wrestlers I meet or anybody I compete against, it's always like, if I know I'm competing against another wrestler, it's going to be fucking tough. Yeah, I really believe that one-on-one combative training from being eight years old to now has made me who I am kind of saying, you know, because when you go and play other sports, when I play football and things like that, it's easy to blame a loss to someone else. Right. But when you go and wrestle, you're out on the map by yourself. Like everyone's watching two people competing in each other.

And so when you lose or win, it's either the highest highs or the lowest lows in the world. Because yeah, it's all on you, you know, and just pushing against another person. It really teaches this mentality of never give up, be better than the next person. And just, I don't know. Yeah, no, I totally, you know, it makes perfect sense.

I want to ask you more about your health, like what your other, I hate the word hacks, like you hate the word rituals, I hate the word health hacks, but I don't know a better way to describe it, but what did like some of the other habits you have in the health space that you do? Like I think I saw that you said you like red light therapy. Yes. Yeah, I do. I do a lot of red light therapy.

Do you think it works? I do. Yeah. Obviously, if you do it all the time. He wouldn't work for bussel recovery. Yup. Mussel recovery, another hormone booster, right? I got to stand in front of him.

I birth they suit, but naked. Oh, I just got one. That's why I met him. It's awesome. And now that's why it kind of just jumped out at me. Because yeah, like I want to know from a professional athlete if it's made a difference in your life. It's great for your skin too Like that's what they say. Yeah, learn dermatologist lazy and stuff like that. So it's great for your skin Real good for muscle recovery

It's great for Boosting hormone levels and with touting in your sperm. Doesn't really but because I just started I don't know I'm just gonna weaken and you have I just started, I don't know, I'm just been a weekend and you have all the testing. I don't have anyone taking my testing, but have you seen a difference in those things by taking it over time? Like I said, it's hard for me to put my finger on one thing.

I know, you do everything. I do so much and it wasn't like I did them all, I did it now, I did this, it's like, I almost just went cold turkey just did everything I was like I met this coach. We did as much science as possible and everything and then just like transform my body So then do you how often are you doing red light? Again, I once I probably say Four times a week for how long each time I do eight minutes in front and then sometimes I'll do eight minutes in back. Mainly I make sure to do the eight minutes in front and say,

my language will roast my test. So you do, okay, so do do because the one I have at my house, mine's from bio light. Do you have, which one is your front? Mine's from Juve. Okay, so that's the competing company. Okay. Okay. But they're very similar.

Yeah. I think they're almost exactly the same. But you just got to have like, make sure it's the right light frequency for what you want. Right, that was gonna ask you about that. So mine has, I'm sure like yours has red light on there, and it has near infrared, right? Do you use both at the same time? Yes.

Because I was told that sometimes you should be using red light, sometimes you should only be using the near infrared. I wouldn't know on that for the most part. Just put them together and just do that. Well, the juve comes where it's either an A180 nanometer to 680 and it's like some lights you can't even see on. Even though they're all on.

Yeah, mine too. You can't even see in the mom. Mine too. And that's the difference in the light. And each have one penetrates deeper than the other. Yeah. So if you have like deep joint pain, like one will reach that to one will reach more of like the surface of like for your skin

and for that kind of inflammation and stuff like that. Do you have a bit, what size is the one? You have one at your house? It's a size of your door. So yeah, it's really big. I'm gonna show you mine. I'm gonna show you mine. Like a footwork you stand in front of it

and cover his whole body. Oh wow, I think yours is probably bigger than mine. But yeah, but so far I really like it. Yeah. Do you do it at night or in the morning? I've done it at night. I mean, I've done it both, but usually, it's, when I get up, I have so much to do. It's always like the last thing on my mind

you go stay in in front of it. I know. If you have the time, I think it'd be a good ritual to do in the morning, but it's something I do in the evening. Do you wear those little goggles or just, but... It's actually good for your eyes. That's what they say.

I've been wearing just nothing. I've been just kind of going, do you like, are you on your, are you looking down on the phone? Are you just like, I try to like almost like meditate into it, just kind of like do nothing. And it's like one of those times where I can shut my brain

off and like no one bothers me and no text messages, no nothing. Another reason why I like to hunt, my phone doesn't work, right? Like there's certain times in my life that I have to be forced into not being in touch with the world. Like when I'm out hunting for 10 days, I don't talk to anybody other than my family that I'm with.

When I'm in the hyperbaric chamber, four days a week. Forgot to mention the hyperbaric chamber. It's like 90 minutes of sitting in a chamber where you can have your phone on you and you gotta just be in there blank, just nothing. Maybe I'll do a float tank therapy, the red light, things like that where I just I make sure that that's all I'm doing when I'm meditation, I kind of detach, you know, because I feel like that, I mean that takes a lot of cortisol levels as dealing with everyone else's problems as well as your own, as well as my sons and my wives and all my businesses.

It just, it all adds up. And so I need to, I think getting off of it and just disconnecting is huge for my mental health. Yeah, I agree with that. So that the chamber, the hyper, the hyper game changing. Is that, so that makes a difference? Oh yeah, knowing how to use it too. Okay, what does that, what does that do?

So hyperbole, there's two different forms of hyperbaric chamber. There's a soft and a hard chamber. If that were Michael Jackson, like was, like 20 years ago, maybe it's a whole anti-aging, it really is. That's what I remember. He got laughed at when we were like, he has a hyperbaric, whatever.

How do you put it, is it a hyperbaric? Yeah, hyperbaric chamber in his house. It was like on the cover of all the national inquires, meanwhile now, like cut to, you cut to 50 and 20 years later, people are actually using it. Huge for recovery, huge for brain health, huge for kids that have autism, big for wound healing, diabetes type of stuff, great for injury.

So what it is, hard chambers especially, soft chambers, it's almost like getting oxygen high, I think it's a waste of time. I mean, unless it's good for you mentally and just to escape, right? But you're allowed to have your phone in that one. When I go into, you can't have your phone or any kind of like metal or anything that can cause any kind of aesthetic electricity, because it can spontaneously combust. So it is a pressurized tube. It's an acrylic glass tube. You go inside of it and they pressurize it.

Depending on how deep it goes, how deep it gets pressurized into your body. But I go to usually like 2.4 atmospheric pressure, it goes deep and then you're breathing 100, well, like 98% oxygen. And so if you're just re-locked in right now, you maybe get a little bit of a high from it and feel better, but you're expelling everything

you don't need. When you're in a pressurized tube, it forces it into everyone of your cells, into your mitochondria, and it'll speed up, recovery, it'll speed up injury, promotion, it'll speed up, like I said, wound healing, really good for your brain. So across that blood brain barrier to where

it can bring inflammation down in your brain as well too, which being in a combat sport is really big, right? Like CTE prevention and things like that. So how often do you do that? I want to do as much as I possibly can. We actually added one to my gym. So the gym, the training lab, we haven't done our grand opening yet.

We're doing under construction still. We're down in Placenscia, like Anaheim, California, down in Orange County. We have a full blown strength conditioning program there, martial arts place. We also have a full recovery center where we have two Habibaric chambers. We have cryotherapy, we have red light therapy,

all under one center. So we have like a full recovery center in there. So I'm gonna start doing it, hopefully like three, four days a week. Wow. Especially after hard training. Do you do you take an AD? An AD plus. Yeah. You do take in well not the IVs. No, it's a it's a it's a sublingual. Yeah. Yeah. You do take it. Do you believe in that? Okay. I'm going to give you some the ones I take. Cool. Have you heard of Trinayagen? I don't know. Is it like a pill that dissolves?

No, it's basically a capsule that you take. OK. Interesting. I haven't heard of it. Again, some of my coach tells me, like, you do your neurological function. I look it up, I swear. I want to hang out.

Exactly. And then you just take it. What else is there? I'm trying to think I've kind of had you on this treadmill for almost, I don't know, 70 minutes. Anything else? Oh, I have one know, 70 minutes. Anything else. Oh, I have one question if you don't mind. So like, UFC, how do you make money

with fighting by winning a champion? Do you get paid salary just by being part of UFC? Not a salary, no. Only for... We're in for fight. We're in for fight. So we get $10.99. We only for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for for

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you get paid a flat rate to show. So once you make weight, you step inside the octagon, they pay you. And if you win, they double it. If you don't, then they don't. So they kind of give some incentive to go out there and fight your ass off. Wow.

Which will make for an entertaining fight, right? So we guys have flat rates. Maybe some guy will show up and they just get paid. They're showing the win bonus all won just because that's how they're manager put it. Everyone's got a little bit different tactics on how they get paid. So if you win a championship, how much do you make?

It's all different. And it was the range. It was the range. How did you make? When I first won it, so I was only kidding. When I was in my fight contract, it's an ultimate fighter contract, I was only fighting for $16,000 a show and $16,000 a win. And I won my world title and they cut me a nice check.

Because obviously I went from, I was an 8-1 underdog. No one really knew who I was at that time. Wow. The only reason why I had that fight is because someone got hurt and they bumped me up and they asked me to take the fight and said, hell yeah. Wow. And so I took it. I was an 8-1 underdog. I was fighting a guy that had never been, he only lost one fight ever and he hadn't lost in a decade. They were thinking him to be the best pound for pound fighter in the world.

And I went out and dominated him and knocked him out in the fifth round. And from then it was like the rise to start on. You know, everyone knew who I was after that. Wow. And so I was able to renegotiate contracts and stuff like that. So yeah, I mean, it can be. I think the sport is becoming more and more mainstreamed.

You'll see pay is continuing to increase, right? As the sport gets more and more popular, it's very mainstream now. Right. To where even when I won the World Title it was becoming mainstream, but not towards that right now. So people are saying, by East Pian, now, fine. I know.

So it was a pretty big deal. But are you making like a million dollars if you win now? Or not? that right now. We were signed by ESPN now, fine. I know. So it was a pretty big deal. But are you making like a million dollars if you win now or not? Some people aren't. Some people aren't. Wow. Yeah, it's all, I mean, and again, you got to be, it's kind of sucks, but you need to be character.

You need to be pop, and you need to be like, it's entertainment, right? It is entertainment, right? If I'm a boring fighter, which I had to learn this, right, throughout my career, like, it's entertainment, right? So, if I'm a boring fighter, which I had to learn this throughout my career, like if you're just super respectful, like not causing trouble, just kinda straight shooter that everyone can kinda like, oh, whatever, he's just normal dude.

I don't feel like they pay attention to you as much, right? So you don't get paid as much, because I mean, you don't get paid as much as your worth. And so be worth something, be sucks, be a character, be so. Who are you but then exaggerate it? Be that person to the top, create conflicts, create some sort of bullshit

that people are gonna pay attention to. In the ring you mean, or outside. I mean, not the world of social media, people can know what I'm doing on a daily basis, doing interviews, doing podcasts. Do you see normal and nice right here? That's who I've been. And like I said, I've had to learn that the hard way.

But then how are you going to be, so you're not as valuable because you're nice and sweet and you're not really causing a trouble? Yeah, I learned how to be my career. I mean, even though I've made the biggest upset in history and like, still has big things, I brought some more attention to me, but I was too cookie cutter, I feel like, too easy going, too nice. But when I got a big rise to start on me even more, I went in my second title.

So when I left that GMT malfameil, I moved to Colorado, and I told you I got a lot of shit for it, from not only my teammates, but from like the media. The reason why I got it from the media is because of my teammates. So they were talking a bunch of shit about me and that I was a traitor, called a snake, dissonnet.

Well, then when I fought for the belt, I fought against an X-team mate. And so I brought a big rivalry and it brought a lot of attention. And then I became a bigger star because he was a just a complete fucking asshole. Like, when it would be above and beyond to be a dick to me, it was brought on TV, coaching us each other.

And I was kind of like, I mean, I was confident and I'm always been confident. Like that's one thing, like I've been known as an asshole when we train. Like if I've been known as a dick in the gym, but it's because I'm competitive. Like I don't let you beat me ever. I don't care if we're playing monopoly.

I'm gonna get fucking pissed if you beat me. I don't like losing. And so I've gotten a name of being kind of a dick when we train and taking it to the next level. So I've kind of held that to my standard, but he was just like over the top talking trash, and I kind of stayed respectful and helped coach my guys. And I only one of his guys won all six of mine won. So I demolished him in the show coaching wise, and then we fought at the end of it for the World title, and I knocked him him out and that is will too. So that brought a lot of attention. So that was a, so I became a character without having to do it.

Right, right, right. He did the work and I just read through rewards because he couldn't man up, he couldn't beat me. So. Wow, so then you're come back in a year after you've been gone, right? Yeah, it's gonna be big attention. It's gonna be big attention.

So you can get paid actually more money that this happens to you. Yeah. Again, this is a blessing in disguise. This whole thing is going to work out to you. I'm not getting paid now for it. No, I know. But I mean, it can all be, it can all be, it can all. Okay, I know how you handle it, too, right? I mean, yeah. But like also you're getting paid based on how many fights, so the more you fight, the more you make. Yeah. Unless you're really, really big, right? And then they fight less, but you make more. I mean, so for instance, I have like six fights up

to my contract, I have to fight those out before I can be negotiated. Unless I like, unless I create some sort of like big name and they're willing to, like, there's times when we're negotiating even though you're not the new year contract, it's just, everything's very individualized, you know? So it could be a blessing in a curse,

just depends on who you are. And take over your own destiny, you know? It's like, I think the biggest blessing in disguise for me who you are. And take over your own destiny. You know, it's like, I think the biggest blessing in disguise for me has been being able to take over my own destiny outside the cage. And what I've been able to do with clean juice, I mean, clean juice is gonna, I mean, it's already taken over the nation.

We're gonna take over Southern California. I'm really excited about it. To be involved with it, to be able to spread the message, California's very nutritional based, right? Like they always think about, you see like the most healthy people in the world are in California. The weather's good, take your shirt off, be out on the beach.

Yeah. But they don't realize what they're putting into the body is in organic, and I can't wait to pass that message on and spread that. So I'm excited about that. I created my website. It's called Fit to Fight. TGDLLSHOW.com.

It's a workout program to where if you wanna learn how to kick someone's ass, if you wanna be a martial artist, or if you just wanna get in shape, it has from professional athletes to just someone wanna do cardio kickboxing. I created a program that you could do at home even. Oh wow, I'm gonna check it out. It's done awesome.

It's done so good, it's called Fit to Fight, it's on tgdolachod.com. I've took that under my wing and built that up even more. I've documented my road to recovery with double shoulder surgery, put that on my YouTube channel. So I've been doing a lot of things that are helping me feed my family outside of fighting and I think it's been a blessing.

Because now when I'm done, I have that. I would have never had time to do this. I've never had time to do it. And it's been a big change, but it's been great. It's been really, really good. I'm a very health conscious, and I've worked out my entire life, and so why not make that by living also? Right, I mean, I do it fighting, but why not outside of it?

Well, you practice what you preach also, right? Exactly, exactly. This is great. I mean, I've learned a lot actually, right? Thank you. No, thank you for coming on. This has been a really great podcast for me anyway. It's like everything I'm like really loved to know.

So I'm hoping everyone who listens, you know, glint as much as I have. Hopefully they are surprised by a professional fighter having the knowledge that I have kind of thing, right? Because I feel like we're just known as meat heads to beat the Chevy Chilli. You know, I think that it's changed though. I like you are saying to your point.

I think like as you get better and better in your craft, there's so much more scientific knowledge that has to be utilized, right? Because like to be like your constantly tweaking and honing and tweaking and tweaking to be better and better and better. So I'm actually not surprised at all. Oh, good.

Awesome. So where do people find you besides your website? You said YouTube and what's your what's your Instagram or everything's just TJ Dillasha. I got lucky. I got it early. It's just TJ Dillasha.com. Follow me on Instagram TJ Dillasha Twitter. Cleanjues.com. Oh, and this will be available next in December. So yeah, we're supposed to get our COD if I'm going through construction. Hopefully the end of this month

we'll be able to do our soft opening and our training of our employees here all of December. And then we'll have our big grand opening to come and showcase everything as of the beginning of the year. Awesome. Just because we like to fine-tune oil machine like by January, right? All my employees will be able to handle the rush

because I plan on bringing a lot of people to show them the store. We're in the process of building two food trucks so I can show the wealth all over LA and Orange County and San Diego. The brand's going to get out there. I'm going to get if you want to join the team. It should. It's really good. Yeah, I mean, like I said, we're going to open them. We're going to open them all over Southern California. I'm excited. I'm really excited to watch you grow. I get to help be a part of the clean juice family even to a bigger part of it, so I'm excited. Well, congratulations, it's a really good product.

And go follow TJ, he's a wealth of information, health of fitness. And the only guess I've had thus far, who can just basically do a treadmill for 80 minutes and not even break a sweat. That's just for those of the lights, those of the lights only, okay? All right, thanks, T.J. Of course, thank you so much.

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