Habits and Hustle - Episode 451: Dave Asprey: Marketing Secrets That Built a $20 Billion Biohacking Industry

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

How did a 300-pound tech executive become the founder of a $20 billion biohacking industry? In this Habits and Hustle episode, Dave Asprey reveals his unconventional journey, sharing his marketing philosophy: "I do not sell. I teach."  We discuss how he bootstrapped Bulletproof to $27 million before raising capital, the venture capital challenges that led to losing control of his company, and why he believes making products that genuinely work is his true marketing secret. We also dive into his experience creating the Bulletproof Coffee phenomenon and how his desperate search to heal his own chronic health issues led to revolutionary discoveries. Dave Asprey is the founder of nine companies, including Bulletproof, Danger Coffee, TrueDark, and Upgrade Labs. He's authored bestselling books including "The Bulletproof Diet," "Head Strong," and his newest release, "Heavily Meditated." Dave is credited with creating three unique billion-dollar markets: MCT Oil, Collagen Protein, and Functional Coffee.  What We Discuss:  (01:00) Biohacking and Marketing Secrets (10:10) Uncovering the Quiet Desperation (13:19) Entrepreneur's Journey to Success (19:32) Venture Capital, Biohacking, and Longevity (30:37) Sexual Health and Biohacking Insights (42:18) Exercise, Recovery, and Hormone Optimization (49:50) Optimizing Testosterone and Peptide Use …and more! Thank you to our sponsors: Therasage: Head over to therasage.com and use code Be Bold for 15% off  TruNiagen: Head over to truniagen.com and use code HUSTLE20 to get $20 off any purchase over $100. Magic Mind: Head over to www.magicmind.com/jen and use code Jen at checkout. Air Doctor: Go to airdoctorpro.com and use promo code HUSTLE for up to $300 off and a 3-year warranty on air purifiers.  Bio.me: Link to daily prebiotic fiber here, code Jennifer20 for 20% off.  Momentous: Shop this link and use code Jen for 20% off David: Buy 4, get the 5th free at davidprotein.com/habitsandhustle.   Find more from Jen:  Website: https://www.jennifercohen.com/ Instagram: @therealjencohen   Books: https://www.jennifercohen.com/books Speaking: https://www.jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagement Find more from Dave Aspry: Website: https://daveasprey.com/  X: https://www.instagram.com/dave.asprey/?hl=en  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/DaveAspreyBPR 

Hi guys, it's Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits and Hustle. Crush it! On today's episode of Habits and Hustle, I'm joined by the one and only Dave Asprey. He is the founder of Bulletproof and a pioneer in biohacking. He's a New York Times bestselling author who spent decades optimizing human performance and longevity. And he's helped millions upgrade their lives through science-backed strategies. Dave and I talk all about his strategies, his marketing approach, how he built nine businesses, and how he even bootstrapped Bulletproof to 27 million

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came back and wrote blog posts, started the first conference, got it added to the dictionary eventually. So yeah, I really did. You know what's so interesting because besides all the like insane information that you bring to the forefront, you know, you're like kind of like that like nut like that nutty professor or that like crazy person that people I think, oh, he's nuts. And then 20 years later, it actually comes to fruition, right? Like you were talking about these things that seemed wacky and now it's become super mainstream.

It's really funny. I got my MBA at Wharton a while ago. Did you really? Oh yeah. And. I did not even know that. I was a Silicon Valley tech dude. Like I. That I knew. Yeah, so I got my MBA there, but I was a Silicon Valley tech dude. Like I- That I knew.

Yeah, so I got my MBA there, but I was kind of failing out of my classes because my brain was cooked and I had toxic mold, brain damage and all this stuff. So for me to pass my test, I would literally line up the smart drugs I was taking on the desk. I'm like, I'm not cheating.

Like if you dope, like, you know, people, Lance Armstrong couldn't talk about what he was doing because they didn't let him, but it would have been great if he was like, I won the tour to France and I did A, B and C so we could all learn. And I'm like, I would fail out of this. So here's my cognitive enhancers. I'm not cheating because there's no rule against doping

in business school, but that was the only way I graduated. And I've been on cognitive enhancers for 25 years and oh my God, why doesn't everyone do this? Well, I wanna talk to you about that. But what I find so interesting about you, I think beyond everything else, you are a master marketer, a master business person. Like the fact that like it's one thing to have the knowledge

or to educate yourself, right? It's another thing to be able to execute it in a way that people actually it resonates with and then they and then develop and you've been able to develop such a hardcore community to, but over and over again with all these businesses. Like Bulletproof is just one of the things you do, the biohacking conference, 40 years of Zen, Danger Coffee, and the list is like, it's on and on. So like, I think beyond just like knowing all these biohacking secrets, what I really want to get into today is your marketing secrets. Like, what actually, like, how did you know what to do,

how to get people like in? Is it just polarizing? Is it just being unique? Is it just being like outlandish? Like what is your secret and what is your strategies? That's what I wanna know. We can go there. Okay, good. Because you look at your Instagram and yes, everything is kind of like,

things are super outlandish to the average Joe, but it actually tracks and works and it becomes a thing later on. Yeah. Okay, so tell me. Okay, when I was in business school, we had a whole class like for a semester where the basic idea was to teach us

that it was cheaper to spend a dollar telling people your product was high quality than it was to make a high quality product. And this is one of the problems in the world. Like look at what's going on on Amazon and all this cheap stuff. So if I made the world's best of something and there was a knockoff next to me,

it's still gonna cost me a dollar to market the world's best and it's gonna cost them a dollar to market the world's crappiest with nice paint on it. Right, right, right. So therefore we have this race to the bottom where everything's like something you would buy at a flea market and I just have this race to the bottom where everything's like something you would buy at a flea market. And I just have this belief from my own experience

having all the diseases of aging before I was 30. Chronic fatigue syndrome, brain fog, arthritis since I was 14, I weighed 300 pounds, the GI issues, high risk of stroke and heart attack on lab tests, pre-diabetes. So I have all of this going on, and I realized I don't give a crap if something is supposed to work.

I only care if it does work. And in business, it's kind of the same thing, but it's more obvious. So if you have this religious belief that billboard ads are gonna change the world for you, so you put a million dollars into billboard ads and you don't sell anything, you go, well, it's maybe because I didn't do it enough.

So you put 10 million in and it still doesn't do anything. And then you're out of money. Well, for our health, how many times do you go to the gym without getting very good results per minute? How many times you can go on a low fat, low calorie diet that you can't sustain no matter what? I've done all of those in my weight loss journey.

So when it comes to making products, I am going to bet that people will spend a little bit more for stuff that actually works. People will pay for quality. Not perceived quality, but actual quality. They just have to feel it. So that was part of it. And then I also recognized that there was,

there's a group of people who hadn't come together. So I ran a longevity nonprofit group in Palo Alto, starting in the late 90s. I was the only guy under 60 in the room because I was learning how to heal myself from people three times my age. Like my elders, the masters of longevity taught me all this stuff that became biohacking.

Like who? Who were you looking up to? A guy named Julian Whitaker was an example. Bruce Ames who's still around. So I got to hang out with like the who's who from the 90s. People were writing the big books on nutrition. Barry Sears from the zone, the Atkins family. So I'm getting mentored by all these people.

So we have these longevity nuts, you could call them. Like everyone thought we were crazy. Like it's not possible to do that. And then on the other side of the road, my brain was failing and I'm at a company that split three times on the NASDAQ in 1998 was worth $36 billion and I co-founded a part of that company.

And my career is going nuts, my brain is totally cooked. I can't remember things and I'm hiding it from people and I keep getting promotions and it was just kind of this hellish but exciting, exciting time in my career where there's this deep fear that I have the accelerator pegged all through the floor and I'm slowing down every day and I don't know what to do. So I got into this cognitive enhancers

I talked about before and the guy who ran the world's only newsletter in the 80s on that became a mentor. So all of a sudden I have the elixir of brain juice that works and I know how it works and I've studied intensely and I've worked with the longevity people and Mike on my board of directors who's 88 years old

has more energy than I do, calls me 1130 a night all excited and ready to do stuff. And I'm like, how does he do that? I want that. And I know it's possible. And I saw older people get younger. I just didn't wait till I was old to see it. I got to see it when I was young

because my body was failing. Right. So, okay, now I got old people want to become young. I've got cognitive enhancement, right? These guys don't talk to each other. And then you've got, I went to the gym 90 minutes a day, six days a week for 18 months straight. Just beat myself up.

I will lose this weight no matter what. I never lost a pound. I still had a 46 inch waist. I was just stronger at the end of that. So now I got my bodybuilders who are some of the best biohackers in the world, right? And then you talk with the professional athletes and like the astronauts and then all the nutrition people,

right? And I've been a vegan, I've been a raw vegan. I've tested all the limits of the diets and understand all that stuff works because I had to, because no one could tell me. And I wrote a major, major book, almost a million copies of it sold. What was the first book, what was that book called?

That was called The Bulletproof Diet. The Bulletproof Diet was your first book, yeah. It sold even like 600,000 copies in Japan of it sold. What was the first book, what was that book called? That was called the Bulletproof Diet. The Bulletproof Diet was your first book, yeah. It sold even like 600,000 copies in Japan of all places. That was a massive movement. It actually introduced in the first chapter, here's lectins, which became a big thing. Here's clean keto and here's intermittent fasting. Like those are massive trends.

Totally. That have taken off and it made collagen into a billion dollar industry category, collagen. Yeah. And it made MCT into a billion dollar industry category and functional coffee into a half a billion dollar category from one book and from one movement. And the reason for that isn't because I'm good at marketing,

it's because I know how to make things that work. How? So tell me, so like, how did you figure, like the butter and the coffee, right? Like that was like such a trend. People are still, I think people are still doing it. But that like was, that took over the health and fitness industry.

Isn't it crazy? It's beyond, like there was like, obviously, you know, there's like, you can go get that up at the cafes and everywhere you went. It was like the obviously, you know, there's like, you can go get that up at the cafes and everywhere you went, it was like the Erewhon of today. Erewhon actually was the first company that carried Bulletproof Coffee when I was at Bulletproof. Oh really?

And they used to make Bulletproof Coffee ice cream at their original location. I love Erewhon. I mean, so did, like, how did you figure that? So were you basically a human guinea pig for all of these things? People who are older will understand this. Well, if you wake up- Like me or older than me?

Older than you, unless you've had a really good longevity program. Uh, there comes a time for most people, if they're not doing the longevity stuff that I teach now, where you wake up and you're like, my body hurts. I feel like crap. my brain doesn't work, I have a wet blanket on my head and I wake up and I don't like how I look in the mirror

and I don't have any vibe, any drive, I'm just tired and I'm gonna slog through the day and I'm gonna do it again and again. I experienced that at a very young age and I'm just do it again and again. I experienced that at a very young age and like I'm just gonna use willpower, but willpower is a function of how much energy your body can make. So having to go through and repair all that stuff

really taught me how to talk with people about what they don't share with other people. And one of the things that really touched me during the process of learning how to reverse all that is I raised my first venture capital round for Bulletproof. It was something like $8 million. And it's from Sand Hill Road, VCs. And one of the guys who ended up on the board,

who I'd gotten to know because I worked for that firm, he wrote a medium article. And I was shocked when I read it. This guy came to me when I was working at the firm and just, why are you putting butter in your coffee? Like you're an idiot. And it explained why he tried it. And when he wrote that post after they funded the company,

he said, 60 days after I met Dave, I sat down in my BMW in the parking lot in Sand Hill Road and I cried. I'm like, what? Venture capitalists don't cry. They don't have souls. Like, I don't understand this. And I'm just joking, my friend does have a soul.

But, and he said, here's why. He said, my entire adult life, I've had crippling fatigue and brain fog and I've never told the soul. And 60 days after I started doing what Dave said, I went through the entire day without losing my energy even one time and it felt so hopeless and so impossible that I was crying because I've never experienced

a day of full energy in my adult life and no one ever knew. And you look around, why did Bio-Icon take off? There's a lot of people who are quietly desperate, including entrepreneurs, were some of the worst, right? Probably the worst. Yeah, we burn the candle at both ends and in the middle. It's not like when I was learning all this longevity stuff, I was just hanging out.

I had a demanding tech career. I started Bulletproof and I was a VP at a publicly traded computer security company. I literally am a computer hacker. So I'm working all day at a high pressure exec job, flying around the world and doing stuff. And then at night I'm blogging and I'm building this little company.

And my whole point of starting it, I didn't even build a list. I just wanted five people to not go through all the shit that I went through. Like if five people read my blog, it'll have made the world a better place. And that's my win. This is almost like a nonprofit activity.

And when I said, well, I want some coffee that doesn't make me tweak, like, does anyone else wanna try it? It was literally a desire to share. But along the way, how did I come up with this Bulletproof Coffee thing? Did you come up with the name Bulletproof? Oh, absolutely.

So did you get money, did you raise money after you kind of hit a certain benchmark? Like you already, your community was already kind of growing. I raised my first round when I was doing $27 million in revenue. I bootstrapped it until then. Wow. And my original seed capital was $50,000

and I got that by an investment bank flying me around the world to teach hedge fund managers how to raise their IQs. So you are already like on your way. I was a top expert in this field because I had studied intensely every night for four hours a night to save my life. And you also were the computer hacker

so you also knew how to market online digitally I would imagine. Surprisingly, maybe. So if we go even further back in my career, you see the tattoo here? You know what that is? Yeah, it's like a hydrogen or what? It's the caffeine molecule. That's the caffeine, okay.

When I was 20, now I'm exposing my true age. How old are you? I'm 52. 52, okay. With that facelift, you look 29, by the way. How old are you? I'm 52. 52, okay. With that facelift, you look 29, by the way. Why, thank you. Yeah. The first product ever sold over the internet

had that molecule on it, and it was sold out of my dorm room. The first e-commerce on the planet. We didn't have the word e-commerce yet. The web browser wasn't invented yet. And people say, that's bullshit. I'm like, no, go to Entrepreneur Magazine. There's an article of me weighing 300 pounds wearing a double extra large T-shirt with that molecule on it. And they people say, that's bullshit. I'm like, no, go to Entrepreneur Magazine. There's an article of me weighing 300 pounds

wearing a double extra large t-shirt with that molecule on it. And they're saying, hey everybody, this kid's selling t-shirts over the inner something or another, because the internet wasn't a thing. People mostly knew about AOL. Yeah, what year is this? Around 1993.

Wow, okay. In fact, that fat picture on Instagram is from Entrepreneur Magazine. That's funny. Yeah. Oh, wow. So I That's funny. Yeah. Oh wow. So I did have some of that, but I spent time building internet infrastructure.

You go back to when cloud computing didn't have a name, the provision on demand, you know, pay as you go model, that's just part of everything we do. The first shipping instance of that was at the company where I helped to start part of the company and we beat Mark Andreessen by one day. So I've been deep in technology infrastructure. I ran the web and internet engineering program in

Silicon Valley to teach engineers how to build web one. Oh, so I'm just like a deep, deep nerd who's desperately trying to keep my brain and my body working so I could do the tech stuff that I love. That's sick all the time. So you got, okay, so you were like basically making your revenue is 27 million, you raised eight million.

But just to answer your question, that was a long answer. So I knew about early stuff, but then I started, I could have talked more about the OSI model and TCPIP protocols in window sizes, no one knows what that is unless you're a network engineer. So that was my thing, not e-commerce. But then when Salesforce was eight people,

they came to us and helped them build their infrastructure. When Google was two guys and two computers, they came to us. When the Facebook was eight computers, they came to us. When Hotmail was eight computers, they came to us. And we built all that stuff out and we held it in our buildings and built the networks. So that's what I was doing,

not learning how to sell T-shirts online. So I wasn't an e-commerce expert, but what I was an expert at is technology and understanding the fundamental drive of humans because I was so close to zero. And the way I really got going, I hired a 23 year old. Okay. Now I'm a VP at a big company. I'm working my ass off. I have two young kids. I just moved to a new country, to Canada, right? And so, and I'm very busy as a father and executive. And I said, look, you've proven to me, his name's Andrew,

that you can solve problems. Like you have this rare skill of being able to go to Google and say, how do I do something and then go and do it? And this is very rare. So I said, I'll pay you. And I paid him like 600 bucks a month. He lived in his grandmother's basement for a year and did whatever I needed done.

And he did a five out of 10 job, made lots of mistakes. In fact, he cost me millions of dollars by doing things the wrong way. He also made me millions of dollars by doing enough things the right way. And that was enough to start hiring a team. And then what did I do? I hired people who knew more than I did.

One of my other first employees, the first employee from Starbucks, I hired her. The ninth employee from Starbucks, I hired him. His name's Darrell, right? So I'm like, I know the chemistry and the process of coffee. I do not know all of the coffee industry insider who pays who and who hates who and all this stuff that all industries have.

So you just hire that. And I hired people who knew way more than I did, but I got it going with young scrappy people who were just willing, cause they could see the why and the mission for it. So the e-commerce stuff, my first head of marketing, he was an affiliate marketer who came in and made 60 grand the first month.

And I called him and said, can I hire you? Because I don't have time. I'm still working on my job. I don't want to make decisions. I just need to get the ball moving, get the processes going. So that got us to our 27 million. Wow.

And so when you raised the money initially, what did you first do with it? Where did you put it? Let me tell you about the raise for a minute first. I'd worked for the first venture capital firm who wrote a check. And so I'd been in their partner meetings. I've seen lots of pitches.

I've seen what they say after the companies leave and just how partners think. It was very educational. And I called up my friends there and I said, I have a company that's growing. It is not a venture capital company. Like you will never fund this there and I said, I have a company that's growing. It is not a venture capital company. Like you will never fund this company.

I'm in five product categories. There is no acquirer for bulletproof, but you should give me a million bucks or even 50 grand. I just need $3 million of coffee inventory because I'm selling so fast, I can't get enough coffee. And they came back and said, oh, this is a VC company and it's worth, here's a VC company and it's worth, here's $8 million, it's worth $40 million.

So when I got the money, I was like, this is crazy. And I remember thinking to myself, I wanna be independent so I can say the truth. It's really important because money does corrupt and venture capitalists are well known for what they do. And it did happen to me too. So I kind of had a spiritual discussion with myself. I said, if I take this money,

I will lose control at some point, but it's going to give me a license to reach many, many million more people than I could do on my own with organic growth. So I said, okay, this is for the greatest good. And I took the funding. And even by the time I had done my series C, I'd set a record since 1986

for maintaining the most founder's equity of any entrepreneur from that. And that was because I raised when I was in rapid growth and I didn't really need the money, I needed it for growth but I wasn't desperate. And the sad part of the story and the reason I advise a lot of entrepreneurs now is eventually,

you know, years later, I did get removed from my own board of directors and removed from my own company. And then they sold it for a pittance compared to what it was worth when they let me go, which was traumatic. Happens all the time. It does. And now though, I've talked to so many entrepreneurs when they're about to get screwed on their term sheets.

I'm like, let me help you. Yeah. What happened with you though? Because it was so, it was valued, what was the evaluation? A billion almost you said? It was valued anywhere between 500 million and a billion, depending on which bankers you listen to

and things like that. And we were doing about 140 million in revenue when I was removed. So A, why did they remove you? And what happened? What was the downfall? There's some things I can share and some I probably am not at liberty to discuss.

But the bottom line is, VCs almost always want to remove founders. I like to describe them as, imagine you pick up a hitchhiker, and you can use their credit card to put gas in the tank as long as you're going where they wanna go. But as soon as you wanna go a different direction, they try to stab you and steal your car.

That's the model for venture capital, is it not? Yeah, that's exactly true, yeah. And it wasn't even about change in direction. I had brought in a very senior operator. And to be clear, I hate running $100 million companies. It is the most torturous, boring, like awful job I could imagine. And there are people who love it.

It's just for my makeup, I'm the zero to 50 guy. Yeah. Right, and I can do that over and over and it brings me great joy. And after that, it just becomes a slog. But they usually, that's what happens. Like usually the founder gets replaced with someone who knows how to grow it from 50 to 100

and keeps on going. What I did is I actually decided to replace myself. I don't wanna do that kind of work. And I'd say I made a bad choice. And once that person was in there, things just got exceptionally hostile. They did some moves that ended up in some legal situations. And yeah, I'll say I uncovered along the way

that an executive, not me, was in line to get paid a very substantial amount of money if the company was sold to the right people. Wow. For a low price, yeah. So what happened? Well, in order to facilitate that, or maybe for some other reason,

the company suddenly was on the verge of bankruptcy, which was kind of surprising because when they let me go, we weren't in that situation. It was at, it's like the precipice of the company. So yeah, then at that point, okay, they're like, well, we have to sell at this price, we have to sell at this price. So I'll just say, from my perception,

it looks like there were some shenanigans. So I did the normal legal thing that you would do there, but the vast majority of investors, including the VCs who backed me, the one I talked about who got his energy back, they got wiped out. So basically the company was sold for about 10% of what it was worth.

What did it end up selling for? I'm not certain if that number was ever public and it's possible that I got that number in some kind of proceeding where it's confidential. So I would be happy to say the exact number, but I don't know if I'm allowed to. So we'll just say it was, uh, it was enough that I was wiped out on my common shares. You made no money off of Bulletproof.

I made, I made no money off of the end of the company. The sale. I mean off the sale along the way. I made some money. I mean, geez, I was a CEO for 10 years. You made a ton of money at the beginning, I would imagine. I made a decent amount. It was not crazy money, to be honest. Let me share my daily routine game changer with you.

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Johnson guy, right? Who's doing kind of like what you did 25 years ago, like using his body and spending 2 million, like you initially spent one a million dollars. I spent 2.5 million dollars over 25 years, yeah. Two and a half million. It's like, Brian's whole, his whole marketing campaign is exactly the 2016 campaign for Superhuman, my longevity book, and that's cool.

We need more longevity voices, longevity is a movement. I feel we have a lot of longevity voices. Well, there's this old school anti-aging crowd, and that's what I did in the 90s. And there's still like a conference. It's kind of like a dusty conference. Which one? The anti-aging academy one.

I don't know that one. Yeah, and it's a thing where like, if you're against aging and you're against death, it kind of reminds me of Mother Teresa once. She was invited to join a march against the war, and she goes, absolutely not. and you're against death, it kind of reminds me of Mother Teresa once. She was invited to join a march against the war. And she goes, absolutely not. And they're like, we thought you would like it.

She goes, I'll join a march for peace, but I won't join a march against the war. Because when you fight against something, it gets stronger. This comes from the spiritual stuff. And the real reason for biohacking, two things. Number one, I want young people to understand that there's a reason that they should do longevity. And the reason isn't so they'll live forever, that's nice.

It's so you'll have a better brain and more power now. So the things that make old people young make young people more powerful. And entrepreneurs, we're the ones who need it the most. We need the power and the energy now. And that's why this biohacking stuff took off, number one, with tech entrepreneurs. I use the language, it was called the Bulletproof Executive.

And number two, hedge fund managers. Number three, Hollywood and recording artists and pro athletes. That's who spread all of this. Totally agree. And it's because they're the ones with the most cognitively demanding tasks and they have to look good at the same time.

And that is really hard. Also expendable income. Yes. because they're the ones with the most cognitively demanding tasks and they have to look good at the same time. And that is really hard. Also expendable income. Yes. That's the big one. So what I was going to say about Brian Johnson was it's no accident that both of you came from both very successful prior to getting into longevity and biohacking, let's just say, had a lot of expendable income from being,

you know, great. You guys had the pedigree and the cognitive ability already to know how to make a business and market it. But what he's doing is literally what you did 20 years ago. Pretty much. Right. And, but is it that people are not aware of that's the same, it's the same playbook? Uh, I don't know. It is the same playbook.

Well, it's a well proven playbook that works. I don't have an issue with that. But he's just doing, he's adding different modalities that maybe weren't around back then, like the plasma or, do you know, I'm sure you've tried all this stuff as well. I mean, I did the video on Facebook Live, back when Facebook Live was a thing,

of them putting stem cells in my male organs. Like literally, I'm on Facebook Live and I'm like, don't have the camera on the wrong thing. I've already done all of the penis enhancement stuff. We did a whole big thing on it. You did? Oh yeah. I have a company that does that.

Hold on. Say that again. This is like a great clip. You did what? I injected stem cells in my penis and I did this nine years ago. And I have actually added, if you wanna get a little bit graphic,

I added two inches with all the different technologies I do. Not that I needed to, but it was like, holy shit, I can like, the human body is a toy, what can you do with it? And so- Really? Yeah. And like there's video of me doing it.

In fact, at my conference, this is one of my favorite scenes ever. Okay, I'm filming, but you can't, you know, you wanna film things you can't see. So I'm laying down, there's a blanket propped up so you can't see my junk and I'm filming. You just see my toes and the blanket and this gloved hand comes down with this long needle

and you see the needle go in and then my toes go. And I'm like, this is gonna give me link and girth, right? And we're all laughing about it. And I played the video at the biohacking conference because I'm like, guys, this is possible. And you can take someone who has ED and you can fix it. And you can take someone who doesn't have ED and you can give them a very young thing.

Because in fact, in my new book, heavily meditated, one of the chapters is like, tantra and sacred sex stuff is an altered state as important as psychedelics for personal development. Like that's nourishing for us at a very deep level. So we might as well just talk about it. So one of my companies is called Wasabi Method and we have a unique type of shockwave device

that will put inches on and that's how it works. So yeah, all that stuff around like, you know, look at my cock, okay, like been there. And it's great, but like we all, every 10 years, you've seen this, every 10 years things recycle. There's probably a 22 year old right now going, I just figured out you can put butter in coffee and you feel so much better.

And they're gonna like, they're going to do this. And it's okay. Right. And what's different maybe about me, I, I was mentored by my elders. John Gray taught me a whole bunch of stuff, right? I love John Gray. Such a great human being. And I've interviewed 1200 people on my podcast over the last 14 years.

I've talked to the masters of different lineages of spiritual stuff, the top longevity doctors, and the reason people biohack, ultimately you might come in to lose the weight or do one thing. You will always want to live way longer than you're supposed to, and you'll want to become more conscious and happy. So all of my efforts are longevity and consciousness. I'm doing an event, a very small private event with the Dalai Lama later this year.

You are? Yeah. With who? Who else is going? Can I go? Possibly. It'll be like 10 people and me. Yeah. Wait, okay. There's like so many things you just said I have to unpack. Before we get to the Dalai Lama, which is a big one, talk about this, like this, this penis enhancement thing. So you got stem cells placed in your penis and it actually grew to two inches for good? Or does it go away after a couple of years? Not just the stem cells, that's a part of it.

Okay, this off wave you said. Yeah, it's the Wasabi method is a, it's a specific type of sound wave that goes in and creates micro bubbles that cause new nerves and new blood vessels to grow. And if you want more size, you get more blood vessels, but more nerves and more blood vessels are good. Oh, and it works on women too.

I've done it on my girlfriend. And what does it do? Well, you want more nerves and more blood vessels all around the vulva region. It's external only, you don't go inside with that modality. Does it hurt to get this done? Usually use a little bit of lidocaine. I don't use lidocaine anymore

because you just get used to it. Well, how often are you doing it? Maybe once every month or two when I get around to it, but normally you do it three or four times and you see massive, like when I first did this, maybe six years ago, I'd get out of the shower and if you're a guy, you go out of the shower, you recognize yourself in the mirror

and you kind of know like, you know, show or grow or all that stuff and you just do a double take you're like that's not mine because it looks so different and so wait this is fascinating to me I'm like try not to be a douche who's like no this is fascinating because I think that this and and so does it so you do have to get it done over and over again doesn't last forever it does last a very long time. Cause you're talking about growing new blood vessels

and now we're gonna get a little bit juicy. And this is part of heavily meditated. I write about it. One of the things that is a major variable for men is frequency of ejaculation. Cause every time a guy ejaculates, testosterone drops precipitously for 24 to 48 hours and a hormone called prolactin

that most people don't know about goes up. Prolactin makes you tired and lazy and low testosterone makes you tired and lazy and fat. So every time we ejaculate, we're dropping testosterone and we're raising this other hormone and that's why we have a refractory period because prolactin goes up over time. So when you're young, you can go over and over

and as you age, you get higher levels of prolactin. So it turns out the Taoists figured this out a long time ago and said, if you wanna live a long time based on how old you are, don't ejaculate too often, but have as much sex as you want. So I'm like, that sounds like bullshit. I'm gonna go test this. And for a year, I published my happiness data

and my ejaculation data and my frequency of sex and masturbation and all that in one of my books. And the Taoists are right, the equation for men is real. So based on that, the longevity frequency for Taoists is ejaculate every 30 days or less. Okay, this is really hard to do. Publishing a year of data is kind of embarrassing because there's times I only made three weeks

and then oops. But what I found during one of them for 30 days, I'm like, we'll just try the edge of this, no stimulation whatsoever. So it's not that I'm not having intimate activities, it's just that I'm not getting any. And it shrunk very noticeably, like 20, 30%. I'm like, this is horrible.

It's like a muscle that doesn't get worked out. So there are ancient, these are Chinese exercises that will restore blood flow and volume and basically make it stronger. I did an episode with Montauk Chia, he was one of the top teachers of this kind of thing. In Oman, I interviewed him and he talked about, grab this and pull on it and slap it this way.

Okay, or I just rely on technologies that do that. So if you enhance it and you keep using it, it'll stay. If you enhance it and then you just, once every couple of weeks, it's gonna go away. So it's a use it or use it thing like every other muscle in the body. Okay, so wait, so how often are you ejaculating then? Because you've said something about once every 30 days

and every, give me the, I guess, the playbook of the best way to do this. Here's the equation. And I also wanna tie this back to entrepreneurs. I'll give you the equation first. It's age in years minus seven divided by four. And that's how much you should be. And that's the number of days between ejaculations.

So as you get older, it's longer and longer. And the reason for this is to keep your prolactin low and keep your testosterone high, and probably some other, they'll call it young life energy or chi, like you lose your chi when you ejaculate. But having relations with someone increases your chi. It's just that it grows and it grows and it grows, and then you lose it.

Only for men, the rules for women are different. And then for entrepreneurs, I've been teaching this for 10 years. The number of men, especially in their 30s, who have come up to me after conferences or just on stream and be like, I heard you talk about that, I tried it, and I started two new companies.

I got a $30,000 raise. I finally got a girlfriend. Like their lives changed dramatically. And I didn't invent this, you know who did? Napoleon Hill, think and grow rich. He has a whole chapter on sexual sublimation, but the world is so uptight that we won't talk about it. And that's why in heavily meditated, there is a chapter

saying of all the different ways you can access altered states that increase your performance in your consciousness and your awareness and your happiness, sex and tantra, it is one of the preeminent ways and 20% of people report meeting God during orgasm at least once in their life. But their partners don't know because they're just laying there twitching,

just like if they were on ketamine. Yeah. So why are we not talking about this as a necessary source of nourishment for the human soul and fuel for building things in the world that matter? Because creating a new life, which is what sex does, is not that different from creating a new company. It's the same energetic action that we do.

So I have a bunch of questions really, right? I didn't think we were gonna go here. I know, we did not. It's like our way watchers or something. But it's actually very interesting, right? Because you're right, I think people are shy, even and embarrassed and don't know where to go with it. But like you're using these modalities

to really enhance every aspect of your life, your cognitive, your physical, your emotional, your spiritual. You've tried everything. But by any means necessary. By any means necessary. What have you noticed in the 25 plus years? Like you've been doing this forever. Is there anything that you can look at now and be like, you know, that actually didn't really work.

That was kind of a farce. I learned because everything evolves as this evolution. What are some of the things that are kind of like, kind of not really worthwhile? The thing that was the biggest mistake I made by far was becoming a vegan. It's taken me years to recover from that. Really years?

Years. And what happens is you feel great for six weeks. And this is because you're not getting the fatty acids or the proteins your body needs. So temporarily your body makes more thyroid hormone so that you can have enough energy to go find an animal and eat it. Totally, yeah.

But you don't do that. So by then you're convinced, I've got the glow. I've got the vegan glow. I feel so good. So then you keep doing it. And then you start getting worse energy and your skin doesn't work. And you start getting massive joint pain

and weird skin issues. That comes from plant-based toxins, mostly called oxalate. And I wrote about this in the Bulletproof Diet, but I didn't weight it heavily enough. So as a raw vegan, I filled my body with razor sharp calcium crystals that caused all the joint pain, a lot of the neurological pain. I had to have the big toe on my right foot rebuilt after a yoga injury because of this problem. So getting razor sharp

calcium crystals out of our diet and out of our bodies is necessary if you're gonna live to 180 or more years like I am. And it's taken a long time to unpack that and get out of it. And now I understand how it works. But even with a bulletproof diet, I wrote about it and I minimized some foods like spinach and kale. But it turns out almonds and sweet potatoes, which I used to be a fan of. I think sweet potatoes are better than white potatoes, but if you're eating very many of them, you're getting a meaningful dose of a toxin your body can't remove.

So for me, I didn't do myself any favors with the vegan diet, and now I kind of doubled down on those bulbarian diet principles. And man, I am five and a half, 6% body fat, and I'm never hungry, and I'm lean. And man, I am five and a half, 6% body fat, and I'm never hungry, and I'm lean. Have you seen the cover of the book? Yeah, I saw the cover of the book. That's crazy.

Is that real? That's what I asked you if it was Photoshopped. It's real, it's not Photoshopped. I didn't even dehydrate or do all that weird stuff. I literally woke up, I flew to Florida the night before I woke up the next morning, took my shirt off in a studio and we took the pictures. There was no prep whatsoever.

I did pushups before the shots, that was it. Are you kidding me? I'm not kidding you. Okay, so wait, again, I got to unpack. This could be like a 12 hour, like I don't know how we thought we're gonna get done all this. So you're saying sweet potato is really bad for you.

Well, if you're sensitive to nightshades, which about a third of people are, you're gonna get arthritis from eating white potatoes. I'm one of those people, by the way. My daughter isn't, my son is. So- White potatoes. Because they're part of the nightshade family,

along with tomatoes and eggplants and things like that. So this is a cause of rheumatoid arthritis, not a mutiny, because our bodies can't handle that plant defense compound. So then you switch to sweet potatoes, because they don't cause that problem. And you feel good on sweet potatoes and they're delicious I love them and they have some nutrients problem is they're higher in oxalate than white potatoes

So either way you're screwed you sweet potatoes you get oxalate you eat white potatoes you get less oxalate But you still get it and you get lactones and i've been recommending forever. The safest source of starch is white rice Cassava high oxalate white rice. So I eat white rice as my carbs and I eat some fruit, but it turns out raspberries are as high as spinach and oxalate. You wanna hear a cool story about raspberries? Yeah. When I was recovering from my vegan time,

I went to the farmer's market in Mountain View, California, and I would buy like 12 baskets of berries. And I would just eat a couple baskets of raspberries a day because they're good for you. And soon I had to pee like 25 times a day, urgently have to pee. Like I'm gonna wet myself. I'm like, what is wrong?

I'm like 30 something. And like I have, I go to my longevity doc. There was only one in the Bay Area at that time. And he goes, I don't know what this is. I go to San Francisco. They stick a camera in a place where they don't go in men, in the front, not the back. That was traumatic, oh my God.

And he goes, I have no idea what it is. And I finally figured it out. The raspberries were causing it. I didn't know why, but now I know why. Because when you eat foods high in these razor sharp calcium crystals, the crystals form in your urine and they cut your urethra. If you're a woman and you have UTIs all the time, right?

You have even interstitial cystitis, step away from the raspberries and kale and spinach and sweet potatoes and almonds, and you might suddenly find that three days later, you don't have it anymore. That is insane. So how about blueberries or strawberries? Perfectly fine.

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No. I am not a keto dieter. Some think I invented the keto diet. I did not, that was more Robert Atkins. But what I did do is I said, well, a clean keto diet with specific fats and no toxins, that's a cyclical diet works really well. So I'll go into ketosis for a few days, and then I'll go out,

but I don't recommend unending periods of ketosis for most people, especially women. And that was in all of my books, but sometimes people just wanna simplify, like keto's good, carbs are bad. So I'll eat a lot of blueberries, and I'll eat fruit, and I'll eat rice. White rice. White rice.

Because everyone thought that brown rice was obviously better than white rice. Such a scam. In fact, I really pissed people off last week on Instagram. I said if I had a choice between eating white flour from Europe and sweet potatoes, I would pick the white flour from Europe. Now, I am not a fan of gluten,

but European wheat is much gentler than American wheat. It's a different species of wheat. It's a soft wheat versus a hard wheat. And it's not sprayed with toxins like glyphosate the way it is here. If you give me a teaspoon of American flour, man, my gut is ruined for days and I get pimples. It's horrible.

And I get brain fog. But I can go to Europe and I can eat croissants all the time. And I just go to Europe and I can eat croissants all the time. And I just have to say something really quickly. Like you believe in democracy, right? Okay, so there are more Americans who eat croissants than French people who eat croissant. So by the power of democracy,

the French people need to change how they say the word. That is so funny. Sorry, as a Canadian passport holder, which is a French speaking country, I'm just joking. I'm Canadian. Are you? Yeah. I'm dual.

So this is when you said Vancouver, I lived in Toronto, so I know that's where I'm from. So that's okay. So first of all, the vegan, name another myth or biohacking thing that you're like really hard, like hardcore about that you've realized now that is kind of utter nonsense. I really truly believe that exercise would help me lose weight. I had three knee

surgeries before I was 24 because my knee would just collapse from walking from the arthritis that I had. Like I really had an old person's body when I was, and I'm like, I am not gonna let this happen anymore. So I went to the gym that time, 702 hours over 18 months. At the end of that, I hadn't lost any weight, but I'm like, at least I'm strong. So finally I must be rehabbed. I can like see my quads, like I'm safe now.

And I did something really dangerous. I played laser tag. Remember laser tag? Of course I remember, yeah. And I squatted and I twisted and I blew my ACL and, I played laser tag. Remember laser tag? And of course I remember. And I squatted and I twisted and I blew my ACL and went back in for another surgery. And I'm like, why? So my belief that exercise would make me thin was wrong.

And my belief that more exercise was better was wrong. And today we have 30 locations opening of Upgrade Labs and I can prove it to you with university studies and your own results, you give me 15 minutes a week of cardio at my facilities, and it'll do six times better than an hour a day of spin classes. Because are you doing strength training with that 15 minutes?

That's straight up cardio training. We're using AI to exercise, and we're using a ton of recovery technologies because what really makes people change is brief, intense stimulus followed by profound recovery. So I use AI to give you the right stimulus and it's a very small amount. And then AI to help you recover,

to have the right recovery for what you did and people transform. And this is the stuff that I used to biohack myself. Right. And there's so that's, I mean, the intense intervals is definitely what really kind of changes someone's body composition. However, and so you're saying that a myth was that exercise as a general term was a great way to lose weight, which you now realize that is not.

That was part of it. One is exercise, doesn't make you lose weight, which you now realize that is not. That was part of it. Okay. One is exercise doesn't make you lose weight, right? The other one was that more exercise would get more results. That is not true either. It's actually paradoxical. Overtraining is a really serious thing for people exercise every day. I had a couple of friends over two months ago, they're both about my age, and they have much bigger shoulders than I do.

That's probably because I had a tear in my shoulder that I've just rehabbed so I can put them back on. But they also have big potbellies, and they're like, we never worked out this hard to be this fat. Like, we're going to the gym five times a week, and we're hitting it hard, and we're maxing things out. It's called over training dude.

You have a cortisol belly and your testosterone's in the shooter because everyone's testosterone is low, men and women, because of microplastics and all the other stuff. So get on thyroid if you need it, which most people do. Get on testosterone, which most people need. And then work out every three days and the other day, go to yoga class or go for a walk

and watch your gut disappear. So less exercise, more recovery equals results. I did not understand that. And entrepreneurs, we're the worst people on earth at taking a break and recovering. So I use technology, let me recover faster than I'm supposed to. I'm like, hurry up, recover faster.

That's interesting because you're right. I think that type A person, more is not more, right? Okay, so you're saying that's actually an interesting one, especially with the cortisol spike. So you noticed that when you stopped exercising more, or you did these intense intervals and did much more of a recovery, your body started to lose weight more and get more lean,

and your body composition changed. Yeah, food is 90% of body comp. Easy, yeah, 95. And then if you wanna put on muscle and be fit, you can do it in very small amounts of time. And this is not to say that moving is bad for you. I recommend a 20 minute walk every day, or if you don't have time for that,

get a whole body vibration plate, do five minutes of that. Yeah, you do that too, right? Absolutely. Do you work out, so you do this, cause I wanna know about your routine, like you, but hold on a second. How about, you said that too, right? Oh, absolutely. Do you work out, so you do this, because I wanna know about your routine. Like you, but hold on a second. How about you said something about supplementation and testosterone and thyroid.

What are you, are you on testosterone? Are you on hormone replacement? Like, what are you doing? When I was 26, I went into the doctor and I was very fortunate because I ran a longevity nonprofit to know the only guy in town who did this. And I'd sent my parents to him.

And then I went and he called me and said, Dave, I've got bad news. Your testosterone is lower than your mom's. Wow. 26 years old. By the way, this is the case for all 26 year olds now. I was just an early adopter of low testosterone, right? What was it at?

What was the number? I don't remember at the time, but it was not good. This is 25 years ago or something. So I probably have it in a hard drive somewhere, but I went on testosterone to get my levels back up. And I went on thyroid because my thyroid was terrible. I had Hashimoto's and we were just discovering

Hashimoto's back then. So I remember the first time I got thyroid, I'm like, wow, I forgot I could, my brain worked like this. I was walking around in a fog all the time and I was cold all the time. And you see the outer parts of my eyebrows are thin? That's a sign of Hashimoto's. So yeah, you start shedding the outer part of your eyebrows.

I was thin like that since I was in my early 20s because I had, I lived in a house with toxic mold. I had brain damage from toxic mold that was driving a lot of my mental stuff. I had hormone disruption from chemicals, bad food and toxic mold, which makes synthetic estrogen that makes you fat on 30% less calories. And by the way, for people saying that's bullshit, it's called Zerolinone. You can look it up. It's real. So I had all this stuff going on. I didn't know.

So yeah, I went on testosterone and I've been on testosterone since I was 26 years old, except for two years when I was developing the bulletproof diet to see what I could do with just diet and what I found was if I did my best to get good sleep and to eat tons of fat I Could get my levels up to about 700. That's high It's not high well higher than a hundred or No, you're your total testosterone for guys should usually be around a thousand to

feel good. And that's where it would have been 30 years ago. So 700 is not a healthy number for most people and your free testosterone needs to be above 20 to feel good and to just have your masculine stuff. So I've been on it except for that time. I couldn't get it high enough and testosterone has absolutely changed my life and here's why. Testosterone drives dopamine levels in the brain. So if you're low on testosterone as a man or

woman you'll be low dopamine and what happens when you're low dopamine? Dopamine gives you a reward and pleasure for pursuing a goal. You don't get the reward if you get the goal. It's just the pursuit of it. So if you're an entrepreneur and a business person, you're pursuing a goal and you need to have adequate dopamine to wake up and care about it. And if you've ever seen the movie, Grumpy Old Men,

that's a testosterone deficiency documentary. That's what people are like when you're low T. And if you're 26 years old now and you're low testosterone, like I was when I was 26, you don't have the vibe you're supposed to have. And there's nothing wrong with you. If you're feeling anxiety or tiredness or depression, you simply have a hardware problem because your balls are not making enough testosterone because they were poisoned by your environment

or you're not sleeping and you're eating the wrong stuff. So you can fix it. And a couple of weeks after you do it, like, wow, this is great. I wanna go to the gym. I'm doing stuff in my business again. Now I wanna date. And it's like you get yourself back.

It's critically important and you can measure it. It's not like it's witchcraft. What are my numbers in the labs? How are you doing it? Are you doing it with a, what do you call it, with a pellet? Are you doing it just injecting it yourself? Like what's the best, in your opinion, what's the best way to increase your testosterone?

It's different for men and women. The pellet works pretty well for women, but women need a much lower dose of testosterone. And a lot of people will think, well, women is all about estrogen. Women have four times more testosterone than estrogen. Estrogen is very potent. So you still need your testosterone.

And it doesn't vary as much as it does for guys. My experience has been that you want to either inject or use a cream because those are gonna give you the variability. I've used a pellet two times and a lot of my hair fell out from that because a pellet will raise your levels and keep them high and we need to cycle. So as of the last year,

there are now two different oral forms of testosterone that are available. I'm testing those out to see which ones I like. Really? Yeah. So yeah, cause a lot of guys I know, they are taking, they're injecting themselves. I've injected for 20 years. It's not that big of a deal.

It's not. What do you think about peptides, or even like GLP-1s and all of that? Are you taking those too? I have been using peptides for about 12 years. I wrote a big chapter in Supreme in my longevity book on them, and they can work really, really well. It depends on your goals.

There's hundreds of peptides. So many. Yeah, you probably wanna work with a functional medicine doctor or if you're gonna do it yourself, pick one or two that have specific outcomes you're looking for and then do them for a month or two and see if you got the outcomes. What are you doing?

I wanna know everything you do in a day, what time you wake up, what you eat, what you drink, everything. So over the last two years, I haven't used very many peptides, but over the last two months, I've been playing around with some new ones like SLUPP332.

I've been on that for three weeks or something. All the weight loss and like muscles and vasculature and stuff like that is not from peptides. It's from getting one gram of animal protein per pound of body weight and doing it consistently. The biggest shift I've made in the last three years that helped me lean out, I travel 50 to 70% of the time

to come and be on shows like this. I'm on main stages in Dubai and all over the world. Constantly, yeah. So when you travel, you can't get enough protein. Restaurants are like, oh here, it's a $50 meal and there's a little cube of protein. Like, oh, six of those. Thank you.

So I just travel with protein and I ordered the largest steak I can get at every meal. And once I keep my protein numbers up, it's like, I'm lean. I have tons of energy. And if you get one gram of animal protein per pound of body weight, it'll raise your GLP one levels, similar to taking a Zempik anyway. I have used. raise your GLP-1 levels similar to taking Ozempic anyway. I have used Ozempic one time because six years ago,

I'm a futurist really, and so I'm like, oh, this Ozempic thing's gonna be really big. So the guy who led the first trial on Ozempic for weight loss for non-diabetics, I had him on the show. So I injected the lowest dose that week so I could talk about it. Oh my God, I felt like I had morning sickness. It was terrible.

I wouldn't wanna be on that. And since then I've published GL it. Oh my god. I felt like I had morning sickness. It was terrible I wouldn't want to be on that and since then I published GLP guidelines on my website Here's what to do if you're going to be on a Zempig so you don't get the bad things and this is my understanding Biochemistry plus several doctors I've interviewed and bottom line is you have to force yourself to eat protein and you have to do heavy stuff For brief periods twice a week and take some mitochondrial enhancers and you can safely use a Zempig to lose weight. I see all these people, really judgy people. These are people haven't really been obese like I have. When you're fat you will do anything to lose the weight and every single day you sit down in your conference room and there's a plate of cookies in front of you and you're like I'm not gonna eat that cookie and the cookie is like you're

gonna eat me and you have this internal dialogue which is depleting your willpower, and you're like, and you're drooling. And finally, it's like, fine, I'll just eat half. And then after I was like, why am I such a bad person? I've done this so many times. I don't have that voice in my head anymore. The cookies have gone silent on me. I just don't even see them as food.

And until I got to that point though, it's just a constant struggle. And you're more tired when you're obese because your energy that should be going into your brain and your hormones is going into white fat cells. So losing weight is the most important thing you can do. It is deadly to be obese. So people think, but Ozimbic is dangerous. Like, yeah, you know what's even more dangerous?

Being fat. Yeah. Stop being fat. So there is no issue whatsoever, morally or anything else for using ozempic. But if you use ozempic and you don't keep your muscle mass, you're doing it wrong and you're harming yourself. And since I believe in personal responsibility

and that no one has a right to tell me what I can put in my body, and no one has a right to tell you what you can put in your body, it's your body. That means you have a choice to use Ozempic and you have a choice to use it in a dumb way, same way you do to eat a Twinkie. But if you just do a couple things with Ozempic,

you can safely lose a huge amount of weight. You might have to deal with all the extra skin that I have from when I was fat, but that's a great problem to have compared to being fat. That's a great problem to have. But what about these other versions, like Trizepatide and all these other ones? Like Ozempic was like a first version type of thing.

As a matter of fact, I'm glad you asked. About three weeks ago, I received my first vial of Retatrutide. I can never say that one right. This is the third generation GLP one. And I'm using the very lowest dose of that once a week, 12.5 milligrams, that it's three weeks in, no changes whatsoever.

That's not enough to cause weight loss. That's enough to activate longevity pathways. I'm all about using pharmaceuticals, natural compounds, lifestyle, lighting, magnetism, anything on earth to make my body recover faster and live longer. So I don't judge pharmaceuticals. I'm like, what are the risks and what are the rewards? And at very low doses, the signaling effects

of the GLP-1 things, they reduce Alzheimer's, all kinds of risks go down. So I've been testing that, but I don't like how I feel on it. It makes me a little tired for two days after I take it. It is helovenom. It's for the helomestrosy. Like the microdosing part.

Yeah, so it's a very low microdose, but it doesn't feel good when I take it. It is helo venom. Like the micro dosing part. Yes, it's a very low micro dose, but it doesn't feel good when I do it. Right. I don't know if I'll continue. You won't continue with that. I might. How about the red light? I use like these like Therisage,

like I use my little indoor sauna, I have my outdoor saunas, I have like all those things. These are like foundational biohacking tools. These are foundation foundational bio-hacking tools. These are foundations.