Habits and Hustle - Episode 487: Antonio Sabato Jr.: From Teen Heartthrob to Boxing at 53 (And Why He Was Blacklisted from Hollywood)

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

Remember your biggest celebrity crush from the '90s? Mine was Antonio Sabato Jr., and now he's sitting across from me explaining how he went from Calvin Klein model and soap opera star to construction worker to boxing professionally at 53. In this episode of Habits and Hustle, Antonio opens up about his decade-long blacklisting from Hollywood after supporting Trump and his journey through addiction and recovery. We also duve into his intense fitness regimen, his relationships with Madonna, Pamela Anderson, and Jennifer Love Hewitt, and why he's now throwing punches in Philadelphia instead of throwing in the towel. Antonio Sabato Jr. is an actor, model, and former soap opera star best known for his Calvin Klein campaigns and roles on General Hospital and Melrose Place. After being blacklisted from Hollywood, he worked in construction in Florida and is now making his comeback through professional boxing and real estate.   What We Discuss:  (07:35) What really happened to his career and the Hollywood blacklisting  (14:16) General Hospital fame and why he left after 2 years  (20:45) The real story behind his Hollywood downfall and Trump support  (33:44) Swimming with 40 tiger sharks at the Mirage (and other death-defying stunts)  (53:13) His insane 4-hour daily workout routine broken down  (57:27) Overcoming addiction to painkillers and sleeping pills  (01:09:32) Dating Madonna when he was 18 and she was 30  (01:11:50) The truth about his relationships with Pamela Anderson and Jennifer Love Hewitt  (01:25:01) His celebrity boxing match details and why Jake Paul won't fight him  …and more! Thank you to our sponsors: Therasage: Head over to therasage.com and use code Be Bold for 15% off  Air Doctor: Go to airdoctorpro.com and use promo code HUSTLE for up to $300 off and a 3-year warranty on air purifiers. Magic Mind: Head over to www.magicmind.com/jen and use code Jen at checkout. 99designs by Vista: 99designs.com/jen20  – click "Claim my discount" to get $20 off your first design contest.  Momentous: Shop this link and use code Jen for 20% off  Prolon: Get 30% off sitewide plus a $40 bonus gift when you subscribe to their 5-Day Program! Just visit https://prolonlife.com/JENNIFERCOHEN and use code JENNIFERCOHEN to claim your discount and your bonus gift. Manna Vitality: Visit mannavitality.com and use code JENNIFER20 for 20% off your order    Find more from Jen:  Website: https://www.jennifercohen.com/ Instagram: @therealjencohen   Books: https://www.jennifercohen.com/books Speaking: https://www.jennifercohen.com/speaking-engagement Find more from Antonio Sabato Jr.: Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/antoniosabatojr/?hl=en 

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A woman, a lady, a girl in your 40, 50s, maybe mid-30s, I'm not sure, or late 30s, you're going to love this guest, okay? We have Antonio Sabato Jr. on the show today, who is my childhood crush of all crushes. Well, you and Jordan Knight, like I did say that, Jordan Knight from new kids, who maybe will come on next week, who knows? Who knows? I see, why not? Why not? Why not? Why not? Just quick backstory. I got a DM from Antonio's publicist and who was like, hey, And he's like, hey, any interest in having Antonio on your podcast?

And I was like, I had to do a double take. And I was like, oh, my God. He was like my huge crush. Like, absolutely. Thanks. And the guy wrote me back. And he's like, you, like, literally everybody that he mentioned your name to in the female category was like, oh, my God, that was my big crush. Like, it wasn't just me.

Thank you. Is that hilarious? It's awesome. Very humbling experience. You know, to be back in the limelight, to be back in Hollywood, to be back and doing what I love. It's really humbling. It's really, I'm very blessed. And by the way, the ADC seems really nice,

but I don't know yet. We'll find out. But, okay, on this show, what we always do before we start, the actual interview is we do a healthy shot. Sure. Is this what this is? Yes, so we're all about optimization,

your health, wellness, blah, blah, blah. So these are by magic mind. We shake them. They're all adaptogens. The one you have, oh, I don't know. I have the magic mind. I have, yeah, I have sharper mind. And more focus.

Do we cheer? Yeah, of course. Of course we do. Come on. Salute. Salute. They'll keep you like super focused now. Actually, he's very good.

Mm-hmm. It's very good. People are always shockingly surprised how good it is. You got some, some of these really, to be honest, that gross, right? Yeah. But this one is actually good and it tastes really nice. No, this is really, really good. It's got some sweetness to it.

It's not so sour. Exactly. And so, and also, like I said, the ingredients are like really, really, really good and, like, good for you. And so we do it. All right. So now you're going to be super focused. stronger than ever. Right? Good. I'm glad. I'm glad I can be of service here for you. Thank you very much. All right. So let's get going here. I've got so many questions about like you because I have to, it's just why not? I have so many questions. I remember being really young and you. But you're still young. Let's let's not forget that. You're still young. Okay. Thank you. You're right. Young and old. It depends how you see life. You know what I mean? So that's how you judge yourself. That's true. You know what's funny. I feel like, you know,

they always say like 40 is the new 20, 50s, the new 30, you know, like when I walked in and I saw you, you actually have not physically aged. You look exactly the same. I feel better than ever. I think mentally, physically and spiritual than ever ever in my life. And I'm 53 years old and I'm just proud of the fact that I'm still still there doing it and doing it very, very hard and I'm consistent. Consistency and a lifestyle is very important for me. And that's why I'm still doing it is because I never stopped. Oh, that's, that's the whole, that is the, that is the key to longevity and, and aging gracefully is just the momentum, never stopping. Once you stop, that's when like, all help. But stop everything, not just, not just working out and training and everything, but just

no, stop being young and having that mentality of just going after things and being aggressive and the things that you want and not giving up on your dreams. You know, things change in life and get harder or whatever, but they don't have to be. They, they can, get, they can get smoother and you can just keep going, you know, in your 20s, I always say, like, people are very eager and they got all that testosterone and all that. And then after 30, it's like to start slowing down. I'm like, no, it doesn't have to slow down. You can keep pushing and pushing and life is really precious. Don't give up. And I want to be, and I see like my life changing a lot of people's lives without me even trying, because I see people like, now I'm

boxing all the time. People got their trainers and showing their pictures and videos of them. boxing, they've never boxed before. You know, like family members are boxing right now. Like, you know, so if you can showcase that you can do it, they can get off their, you know, the couch and start doing it for themselves and you can start changing people's lives. And I think that works in families too. If you see family members, kids, mothers, fathers, whatever, grandfather would change in their lives.

All of a sudden, they're like, you know what? Let me try that too, you know? And you can change communities. You can change the world. I believe it. Yeah. I mean, listen. And also, like, that's very inspirational, right?

Like, anyone could do it at any age, for sure. Any age, yeah. But, you know, your genetics are genetics. You were like, like you had... Yeah, but genetics are genetics, but also you need to find out what the best genetics for you are by pushing yourself, you know? Right. Well, nobody knows their limit. I think it's important for people to push their limit to know for themselves.

Right. Because also, that's how you build self-esteem and confidence, right? Absolutely. If you don't do those things, how would you ever know what you... And you're going to keep evolving and you're going to keep looking a little bit different and unique as you get older. But I think you should take that opportunity every day to learn about yourself and really experience, you know, how far can I go? Do I still want those dreams? Let's go after those things, you know.

Let's climb those mountains. Let's meet new people. Let's go after things that maybe other people don't want me to do. Because society and people always, their insecurity affects yours. And it comes in your life and go, oh, you can't do it. You can't do it. Well, who are you to tell me I can't do it? I can't do it and I will do it and it's going to happen no matter what.

We talk about that a lot on the show or I talk about that a lot that, you know, when you ask for, when you tell somebody what you want to do or you ask for opinions, all you're going to get is their fear or their experience, right? And so why would you then make your decision based on someone else's bad experience or their personal opinion? And they will affect you. Of course. It's the difference between doing something and not doing something. That's where you need to be focused and know exactly what you're doing and why you're doing it for. And it should be a selfish thing for yourself because it's like being on the plane and I always say put the mask on and then help everybody else. You got to help yourself.

You got to get to a place when you're comfortable and go, I'm doing this no matter what. You can have your opinion. And opinions vary. The world is always going to say, and most of the times the way I see it is 90% of the world doesn't want you to succeed. So just know that. Yeah. So if you're lucky and unfortunate, 10% of your family members, and even family members are against you when you're succeeding.

So it doesn't mean like the bloodline, you know, it's really what you have inside. And the people that I've hung out with, like the Michael Jordan, you know, the Chuck Norris, you know, all these people that Michael Schumacher, seven-time world champion, all these people have shown me that they have done it their way. And nobody's going to change their way,

no matter what happens. If it rains or shine is the same thing. And so I've always done it. And my father and my mother have always been there as role models where, you know what, coming from another country, from Italy, coming here, succeeding, failing. You know, now I'm back in my career doing something that I love when everybody tossed me on the side. I'm like, you know what? We're going to keep fighting.

I'm going to keep my head straight. And I'm going to keep going after it no matter what. Okay, well, listen, that's good. So you just like, it was a good segue because I want to know what did happen to you because, I mean, yes. Like when you, like all I really know, I'm going to be totally honest, because I was very honest. The reason why I had you on the show, you're not the typical person I would put on, but because you were my huge crush, I'm like, how can I not say yes, right? Thank you.

And so, but you were massive back then. I mean, you were like the, well, from what I remember, I was, of course, 12 years old, but the Calvin Klein model and Melrose plays were the two things that I kind of like remember the most about you. Yeah. And you were, but you were like everywhere. Like you were the guy. Like, I don't know.

What would be the equivalent now to this? Me again, because I'm coming back. Yeah, you're a comeback story. Yeah, a comeback story. But I want to put this in, I want this to be put in perspective for young people who are like watching this. You were kind of like the Justin Bieber of like the 90s. Yeah.

I broke a lot of rules. You know, when I was on General Hospital, they told me you can't. Back in a day, it was different. But it was different. Yeah, it was a different time. No social media. No social media, no Twitter or Instagram, none of that. And no cell phones, you know, to the point that we're using them now. So back then it was like when you did a soap opera, you were stuck doing that. Right. And people are in agents and my manager said, you know, you got to do this and you can't go to nighttime and do a TV show and you can't be a film actor. And I was like, no, I will. Because I, you know, I was the first one to be in Arsenio Hall when I was on General Hospital. I was the first one to be on TV guide. at the time, we have TV guide at the time. I remember. You know, so I...

We'll start with how it happened. Like, what was, like... Give us the evolution of who you are, because I know you as, like, when you were, like, a super hot model slash actor that all the girls liked. Okay, tell me what, like, what happened? How did you get picked for Calvin Klein?

Sure. How did you, like, what was the, like, what was the kind of pivotal moment in your career that you became the Antonio? Well, they think I became a model, which is not true. Right. What really happened,

I came to this country when I was 12 years old with my family, my sister, and my mother, and my dad. And we came here with a green card and dreams. And we came to Los Angeles, and I went to acting school right away. I went to Stella Adler. You know, one of my favorite teachers was Nina Fo. She passed away and a great actress. I went to the actor's studio and I really want to pursue the acting.

My father was an actor for many years in Europe and America. But when he came here, he had a hard time. The so-called friends in the business never helped my dad. My dad had a very Italian heavy accent. And back then, you couldn't be elite. actor if you hadn't have an AX. So he was tossed on the side and he dedicated his life and my mother for me and my sister to go to school here and learn the language because, you know, we didn't speak English. So I pursued the acting so much that in that process, I wanted to get out of high school.

I went to different high schools. I got kicked out of some high schools. I got in trouble, whatnot. Why were you a bad kid? I wasn't a bad kid, but I, you know, I didn't take no for an answer. I didn't like kids picking on me and I, and I always hung out with not the popular kids. kids. That's just the type of person I've always been and I always wanted to protect them as much as they wanted to protect me. My parents tried to put me in private schools. I went to Palisades. I went to St. Bernards. I even went to Beverly Hills High. None of the schools were. And then we went back to Italy because we ran out of money. And I had to go back to Italy for one year when I was a teenager and when I was about 15, 16 years old and then came back here the second time. And so I went to

all these different high schools, and even went to school in Italy. So I was like, what am I going to do. So I was like, I'm going to leave school. And I left school. I packed my bags. I lied to my parents and I told them that I took a GD test, which I didn't. I took half of it. I didn't pass it, but they believe me. So I took off and I went to New York to pursue my acting career. And I started working. I started doing Italian movies. I started working in the industry doing small things here and there. And then all of a sudden, I got General Hospital. That was the first thing you got. Well, I got Jenna Jackson video. Love will never do without you. That's right. Oh my God. I watched that video a million times. That was the first thing you did?

That was the first thing that people saw me. But they didn't have a clue who I was. They didn't have a name attached to it. But there was like, that's the guy from Janet Jackson. Because that video for sure was the beginning. That was the pivotal. Because you were so gorgeous. Not the thing or not. I remember being like, oh my God, who is that guy in the Janet Jackson video? All of us were. That right. That was you. That was the pivotal moment. Okay, go on. So I did that video. Wait, wait, how old were you, that video?

I was 17. I was 17. How old was Chadd Jackson back then? It was at least 10 years old than me, or at least she was in the mid-20s, late 20s, yeah. They picked a 17-year-old kid to be the guy? Yeah, well, they did. And that was about 17 years old. And I just, I had my, you know, I had my driver.

As a matter of fact, when I got that job, I was working as a messenger. I had my car, my radio in my car, and I used to deliver scripts all over town. And that's how I got my commercial agent because I walked in and I started talking to people. And then I got the commercial agent that sent me to Dada audition, then got me the job for Jenna Jackson. And then I left school. Like I said, I went to New York and pursued my acting career. And I went for General Hospital the first time. I didn't get it. Wait, go back to the Janet Jackson video. This is very interesting. So you were only 17 years old when you got that? Herb Ritz, Peter Savich, which I still know, he did my hair, did the Jenna Jackson wig and all that stuff,

of great hairstylist, the best in the world. And then I met Janet. And then I started working with Her Brits on the video. And did that video, once that video came out, did your phone, like, just go crazy? Well, it didn't. It didn't. Because, like, I said, they didn't have a name attached to that guy. It was like the guy from Janet Jacksonville until I was hire in General Hospital.

And then I was there for two years working every single day on GH. and, you know, I made the show, and I took the show to higher places. I think I got it to number two in two years, and it was really good for me. And I broke a lot of rules. You know, I was a really eager actor. I wanted to really pursue this acting thing. And, you know, I got an acting coach to come with me every day on General Hospital. I started boxing with my trainer, Chris Steele, at the time, every single day before I got

to G.H at 3 in the morning, I was really dedicated to making this my life. And I had a steady job, which is amazing. You know, I was able to buy myself a better car. I got myself a house. You know, I was like living the dream. In New York? No, here. So General Hospital was not, I thought that was built here.

No, I was right here in Hollywood, and Prospect Avenue. Okay, so I want to make sure, I want to chronologically follow this. So then you were doing General Hospital when you're, what, 18, 19 then? Yep. I was in my early 20s, yeah. Well, 18, how many years did you do it? Yeah, 1920s when I got General Hospital. And then two years later, at 22, I was a first-time dad.

My son Jack was born at 22. So, yeah, I got a general hospital when I was 20. And so you did it for how many years? Two years. So why did you leave? Well, I wanted to leave because I wanted to pursue my acting career. I wanted to, I also had a chance to work with Steven Spielberg on a TV show called Earth 2. We shot it in New Mexico.

And I was starting in that show. And I couldn't say it was NBC. It was Steven Spielberg. It was 24 shows. I already picked for the entire year, and I couldn't say no to it. And I wanted to pursue my acting. I wanted to do movies. I wanted to travel.

I just didn't want to do soaps. Right. But how did your life case, so did your life start to really change when you were doing General Hospital? Oh, yeah. So like the fan base. Tell me what happened. I want to know all about that stuff.

The fan base was astronomical. The fan base, to this day, to this day, they want me to come back to general hospital. As a matter of fact, I'm willing to come back. You know, if you guys, you know, will have me. I'll come back and bring the real jagger kates back to that show. But anyway, the fans have been with me ever since, and they never left me. And then their daughters, their sons have been with me. So I have, like, families who have followed me ever since.

But you're only on for, like, two years. But I made an impact. I really wanted to change people's minds about my enthusiasm, my work ethic, everything. Okay, so, but when you were doing that show, like what, because you're right, there's no social media and all the other stuff. What was, what was being, like, how did you get the? I was very, I was very ahead of its game. I wanted to be on covers that wouldn't just related to soaps. I wanted to cross over and, you know, I was on Arsenia Hall at the time, which he never had a soap opera actor on it. Why do you have you? Because he knew it was different. He knew, uh...

Women were crazy for you. Do you not remember this? I do. I used to do a lot of appearances all over the country and they were they were just thousands and thousands of people. Great fans that backed me up. I used to do car shows. Of course. From Detroit to Chicago and everywhere across the nation. And the fan, I had to hire somebody to take care of my fan, you know, because we used to get like real fan letters. Yeah. So there were bags and bags on a weekly basis. Were you the most popular one on General Hospital? Yeah. I mean, I worked with an executive producer, Wendy Rich, an amazing person who really believed in me. And, And I tell people, young, young actors, too, you got to get together with people who really

truly believe and see you for who you are. And she really saw my enthusiasm and my work ethic and took it to the next level and really helped me a lot. And she knew I could back her up too and the show. And I really was part of that show. I really wanted to make the show the biggest show ever. And I never treated it like a soap opera. For me, it was just, to me, working as a Thespian as an actor, it didn't really matter

if I was on soaps or TV or movies, it was always the same thing. And I always hated the fact that people told me like, well, you know, soaps, you do this kind of acting or you do this for TV. I'm like, no, no, no. I take it serious no matter what. This is hard here. This is hard here. And it's all under the same bubble.

And so I never treated it differently. I think they saw that. And I think Arsenio saw that. That's why he had me on the show. Okay. So then you went from doing two years of General Hospital. Then you did the Steven Spielberg show. Yep.

And that show never took off, obviously, did it? No, it should have. And I never had the chance. Like I said, it was ahead of its time. And after that show, I went to Melrose Place. And I work with Aaron Spelling and Heather Locklear. And you were on for how many years? I was just there for seven episodes.

That's it? That's it. Yeah, I always wanted to hit and go. But those shows that I did, they're so memorable. Like, everything I've done, because I wanted to make movies. And I kept making movies. And one of those films was a film that Calvin Klein saw. and then years later, I did three campaigns for Calvin Klein because he saw a film I did,

called If Looks Could Kill for Fox. I actually remember that. You know, it's a great film. I love that film. One of my favorites. Do you remember, okay, so then why did they only sign you for seven episodes for Melrose? I wanted to do that. I didn't want to be stuck on anything.

I never wanted to be stuck on anything for too long. No, but then why did they not, why did you never go back? Aaron Spelling and I had a meeting about the character, and I told them, you know, I want to stay for a little bit for an arc, but I don't want to. want to be here longer than that, because I have other plans. And he totally understood that. And so he wrote this little arc, which, you know, turned out to be bigger than I thought, with Heather Loughlear, because I wanted to work with her. She was the biggest star of the show. Yeah, I remember. Yeah. And so I was the ex-husband who comes back in their life, and it was

really awesome because I got to work with everybody, Jack Wagner, another good friend of mine that I've known for many years. He's from General Hospital. Yep, yeah. Was he on that show? I don't remember. Yeah, he was. Yep. So then did you ever, like, date? And Bold and the Beautiful. We worked together. Oh, the Bold and Beautiful. Yeah. Oh, you were on that show too? Yeah, just for a little bit as well.

Did you date anybody from? I never dated anybody I worked with. Really? Never, never. No. I never wanted to cross over and bring business and pleasure and none of that. I always, I'm the most professional guy. Seriously, I take pride in what I do and I don't date who I work with ever.

So you did Melrose Place and you went and did, okay, that would happen. I want to know everything. And then I just started making movies nonstop. What was the biggest movie you made? From the big hit, you know, and Mark Wahl, to, you know, the movie that I have now, you know, Grace by Night is, it's amazing. I mean, I'm very proud of that. But I've made so many films over the years.

I don't even tell, I don't even know. I'm like, I've done, I worked in Australia. I worked in Italy. I've done many mini-series in Italy, in Italian. I worked in Australia on a show with George Miller called Tribe. I've done over a hundred, I lost count, over 100 movies. So then, okay, so I mean, this is the nicest possible way, but what happened to you? because you were so big, and then I never heard from you again.

Well, I started, you know, what happened, one of my crazy ideas, because I love Los Angeles and I love the state of California. And years ago, I was the first one to support President Trump. I was the first one to support him on TV. I was the first one to come out and say, the president, who he's running to be president, is my guy, I believe what he's saying. And I've always been that whatever comes out of my mind,

whatever I'm truthful to it, I'm going to be honest 100%. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to take it back. I'm not going to play this game. And so when I did that and I came from a really good place, I was blacklisted from day one. I also ran for Congress in my community

because I don't like all the homelessness and all the stuff that they've done to the state. So I said instead of talking about it, like most celebrities talk about all the things that they hate about the government and politics, I wanted to run and understand about what really goes on in the political world. And I did.

I went to Washington, D.C. I won my primary. and I'm glad I never won the seat because I don't want it being politics at all. Right now, I don't want nothing to do with the Republicans. I don't want nothing to do with the Democrats. I don't want nothing to do with it. But because I learned from it.

And I also learned so much about the government how it really this place works and the state of California. So when I did that, I went to the RNC, which is the biggest place to talk in front of the world about, and I wanted to express my opinion about coming to this country and loving this nation and what is done for me.

And I was completely blacklist. All my managers and agents and commercial agents all dropped me over 24 hours. And I was called the worst names and I was put into the corner. And so I had to leave Hollywood. I couldn't work. I had to pay for my kids. I had to pay for to live and all that stuff. So I moved to Florida and I went in construction.

I was working in concrete pumping. I was doing concrete pumping management in state of Florida, mostly in Tampa and working in construction. And people know about construction. after 35 years in the entertainment world, you're treated the opposite. You're not treated kindly. And so I put the tail between my legs, my pride,

and I had to do what I had to do to take care of my family. And that's why things changed. And now, you know, I've been blessed by God, and I have a second chance, and I'm coming back stronger than ever, and I'm back to retain my title and do what I got to do. But I am glad I went through the hell and back,

because, you know, I love my wife twice as much. I love my kids twice as much. I'm more committed twice as much than I ever was. And when you have to sell everything you ever had, when you have to know who your real friends are, when you have to go through these hard times, you have two choices. You either stick in it or you get out of it.

And now I'm out of it. And I'm stronger than ever because of it. And that's why things change in my life. But I never changed my opinion. I never backed down like most celebrities and most actors, they have to apologize, and they have to, oh, I didn't meet it. I met everything I said. And I'm not going to change who I am, and I sleep good at night.

I lost material things, sure. I lost money and jobs and opportunities. Yes, my integrity, who I am as a person, never changed. And I'm trying to show that to my children, to my family, to anybody out there that if you go after your dreams, stick to it and never change your opinions, because that's who you are. So you're telling me that 2016, right? That was when their first time it happened, right? Almost 10 years ago.

10 years ago, you were basically blacklisted and gone. Yep. So where were you between 2008 and 2016? Oh, I was in California. Do we know? What were you doing? I was making films. I was doing TV shows.

You were still making a living? Oh, yeah. I was doing very well. You know, I produced reality shows. I won reality shows. Which ones? Tell me. I want several.

I want. Cupcake Wars. You were in Cupcake Wars? Yeah, I did Stars in Danger for Fox about learning how to diving on the platform. I won that one. You want that too? Celebrity Circus, I won that one for NBC. I also did Dancing with the Stars. I did seven weeks of that. But I have my reality things that I won. Your reality kind of, again, don't hate me for saying these things. I'm just, I'm just, isn't reality kind of the shows that you were doing is where people go to die, right? Like those are not where people, you know, who are like these world renowned, you know, Julia and actors are going.

It's different now. You know, I had opportunities at the beginning. I started things. When I did my Antonio for VH1, I was executive producing a show. What is that? That was the Bachelor on Steroids. Really? In Hawaii, yeah.

I was pretty much had the whole island of Hawaii to myself. and girls wanted to date me and I brought my mother with it. It was an amazing show. I had the best time. That was in that time, in the 2008, 2010 area. Yeah.

So you had a show where they basically had women buying for you. They had to climb a mountain to date me. They had to jump out of helicopters to date me. I mean, literally out of an helicopter,

open the doors and jump into the ocean to date me. So I could, how could I say no? This is what I want. So what happened? Well, it was, listen, reality shows are scripted reality shows. So nothing happened, of course, you know.

Did it do well? That's a funny show. Yeah, there was a winner, but nothing happened between me and her. And it was just funny games. Did you go on a dinner date? Like, what did you do? Like, what did you do? I go to dinner?

Yeah, that would happen. What was the day? What did she get for her jumping out of a helicopter? And we got to know each other. And then they had to deal with my mother, which is incredible and funny. And it was one of the best shows ever. So I started things. And I did things.

before anybody else did. And remember, we didn't have the social media. We didn't have all this stuff going on as much as we do now. That's a good idea, though. Hold on a second. So that show was like 15 years ago, let's say, 18 years ago. Yeah, something like that. But even before that show, like, I guess this is my question.

Did you get pigeonholed as being like the hot, you know, underwear model? Were people even taking you seriously to even offer you real roles? Maybe at times with casting directors, you know, sometimes they would like, you know, they wouldn't give me a chance or whatever because whatever, you know, the way I look, whatever that means. But for me, it was like, I'm going to do it my way. And that's the way I'd been. Like, you know, if you didn't hire me for this, I'll find another movie to be hired.

Right. And I'll produce this other film. I'll produce this other film. So I always consistently working and doing movies that I wanted to make. You were still working, basically. Always, always. So you always made, like, so before this whole blacklist happened and get, you got canceled. Oh, I would take three or four movies a year.

Right. And so you do like the case, so tell me other reality ones. I'm going to go back and look. So you did the Cupcake Wars. CupK War's. I won that. That's a good one. That's a good one.

That's a good one. You know? The stars and whatever. Stars in danger, which it was like, that's another show that I got and how I got it. There were two other celebrities. I'm not going to embarrass you guys. No, tell me. I want to know.

Well, Consenco is one of them, the baseball player, right? And so basically they would have a training session when you had to go to UCLA and dive from 15 to 20 feet out of the platform and learn how to do like a one and a half dive into the water. And if you know about diving, that's the most dangerous, most bruise-like body gets destroyed, right? And so they walked away. Some of these guys walked away, and they were missing two guys. So one of the two guys was me. So they call me, like, you have a week and a half to learn two dives, one from a 15-footer, and the other one, you have to dive on a synchronized dive with Tyrell Owen. And so I did it with him, and I won the single dive. So I'm very competitive. I don't lose.

Well, also, I race professionally in those years. I raced at Indianapolis. I wanted to be a race car driver, and I was racing go-carts since I was a little boy, but I just, I did things. My mother always tells me, like, you do things at different times. You know, I started gymnastics in my 30s because I wanted to do like backflips and handsprings and all that stuff. I did that for 10 years.

I did things my way, and there's not necessarily the time. Like, I'm boxing now professionally pretty much. It's unbelievable. I know. In Philadelphia in two months. and I'm 53. So for me, it's, to me, it's like, whenever I want to do things, and my kids and my family know how crazy I am, you know, I've been skydiving.

I jump out of planes. I learned out of fly planes later. I mean, like, I do things my way. And so. You really do actually when you say, because you really think about it. Like, when your guy was saying to me, yeah, he's doing this like celebrity boxing tournament. I'm like, hold on a second.

And I looked at, like, isn't it like 20, 25? He must be over 50 by now. Yeah. And like, you're doing things like at, like, Like, who does gymnastics in their 30s? That's like impossible. No, but, yeah, and I did it. Did you learn how to do a backflip?

Yeah, backhand spring and everything. Yeah, and a double flip and everything, yeah, all of it. And my daughter was actually turning to be an elite gymnast. She had to quit because she broke one of her fingers, so she's, because gymnastics is one of the hardest spills ever. But, yeah, I did things different times in my life, and I'm not going to stop. I have, I had goals. I want to race at 24-hour Le Mans.

I want to race with the prototypes in the next few years, and nobody's going to stop me. I want to race a McLaren for the North America series. I'm working on that. You're talking to them right now? Yeah, we're talking to them right now and I'm going to keep pushing. I'm going to put it out there. God bless you. And I want to keep pushing for all these things. So it's going to happen. I want to keep fighting too. I don't want to fight. I want to fight better boxer, professional boxers who are retired, who are willing to step into the ring. I mean, and make movies and do everything. Like, I am so eager. This is the beginning of phase two. See, this is amazing because Because this actually, when I first got here with you and you're like, yeah, like age is just a number.

I'm like, yeah, yeah, everyone just says that. But literally, like, it's not like, it doesn't even like cross your mind that, oh, I'm 50-something, so therefore I can't do that. To others it does. But I can tell even the way you're saying it that it's actually, like, you really believe it. Because like. I'll tell you a story. I went to Vegas.

And Vegas has, I think at the Mirage, was it the Mirage, it has one of the biggest water tanks. Yeah. where they have like live fish, they have about 40 tiger sharks. Last time I was there, I called the hotel, the marketing department. I said, does anybody like celebrities want to swim with the sharks in the tank? I said, nobody's ever done it. So I want to come in.

So I signed my release. I wear my steel mesh suit. And I went and swam with 40 tiger sharks for about almost two hours at the tank and everything. That's the type of guy I am. So I don't have any limits on. If I want to do something, I'm going to do it. I go to the sphere or whatever, one of those tallies and I jump, you know, with the harness. You know what I mean?

I went to New Zealand, one of the tallest buildings there. On my day off, I was doing a movie. And during that day off, I was bored. I'm like, you know, you go up there and they hook you up on this harness. And basically, you stand at the edge and they lower you down pretty fast, about 700, whatever, feet. And I was like, I don't want to be lowered. I want to jump off of it. Can I jump off of it?

So you can jump off of it. And then we'll just lower you down at the end. So I jumped off of it. I mean, that's, that's the type of guy I am. I have nothing to prove to the world, but to myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and so, and like I said, skydiving is another thing. I, you know, I like to skydive from 18,500, 20,000 feet, and I go up there and I dive.

Okay, get back to the tiger sharks for a second at Mirage. Are they allowed, like, if I were to call Mirage myself and be like, hey, they allow me. Why did they allow you? Because aren't they lie? Even if something happens to you, that'd be a horrible PR scandal. It would be horrible. It would be the worst thing ever. But I told, they didn't say no. I had just, I have to come and do it. But like, wouldn't they be? And they asked me why, what's going on? I'm like, I want to do it. I want to swim. Did they video it? And I've been swimming with sharks my whole life. I go to a great bear reef and I swim with them and I swim with hammer sharks. And I name, I told them, you know, I'm a diver. I've been diving for decades since I was a teenager. And then and they couldn't say no.

Did they film it? They did film it. They have it. We have pictures and videos. And, and, like, Like I said, I had to sign a release. I had to wear the mesh, the whole steel body mesh, and went down there. But, like, I'm just thinking if I was someone working at MaraS. That was ever done. Not even Tom Cruise, you've done that. I was just going to say, you know, you remind me of Tom Cruise, because, like, he's the only other person I know who's like, he's in his 60s now. Yeah.

But, I mean, this guy is. And I give him so much credit. He's fearless. Yeah. Fearless. Did you hear what he did about that building out of, you know, when he was. was in Dubai. Yeah, yeah.

And it was taking too long. Like they were giving, like he didn't want to waste, like, he didn't want to waste, like, actual time where he can be, like, filming. Yeah. So he had, he taught himself how he can stay outside hanging on the, on that, what's that building? Yeah, yeah, the tallest building in the world.

In the world. The tallest building in the world. But what is it called? Because it's going to. Uh, yes, I, I, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, what's called? Yeah, Birch Khalifa. Yeah, he, he, he, like, taught himself.

They're like, they're like, I'm sorry, you can't. do this. It's like a... For guys like us, it's fun. It doesn't occur to him to not do it. No, it's fun. For us, it's fun. It's what life is about.

And also F1, like we said before we started, you know, it was like Brad Pitt doing F1. He was a 50-year-old guy doing it. And the only reason why that was real, it wasn't realistic. It just, it was a movie. So that's why they allowed and they're like, yeah, well, there's no F-1 driver on the planet who's 50 years old.

There's not one. So him doing it, Of course, it's Brad Pitt in a movie doing it. It would be me. I would do it. And you're saying you're going to do the same thing. Yeah, I'm going to be professionally racing. I'm probably going to be in the GT or the prototypes.

But if they gave me a chance to jump in a Formula One car, I would do it. I race Formula 3,000, Formula 2,000, open wheels with Skip Barber. So that's my world. I've been associated with Formula One. My father was in the greatest Formula One movie of all-time Grand Prix, which Brad Pitt and Lewis Hamilton, everybody in that movie saw to take a lot of, you know, information for this film, but the F1 movie is not realistic at all. No, that's what I'm saying.

He know about, but it's not just him in the car. It's just how the movie was done. Formula One is done on qualifying, qualifying and setup. So they cover some stuff, but they never cover the qualifying. Tell me, what is that? Tell us. Qualifying is everything F1. Whatever you qualify on qualifying day will get you in the lead.

And most of the times, most of the tracks, there's not going to be a lot of passing, depending on weather or rain or a tire setup. but it's all going to be one on qualifying, which there was never addressed in the entire film at all. But, and all the other things, the fun stuff at the end of the film, where he crashed and the slow, I don't know. That's fun to watch, but it's not realistic, and it would never happen. We know that as professional race car driving,

I know everything about Formula One. I was a spokesperson from the Indy F1 back in the day, the first F1 Grand Prix in many years in Indianapolis. I raced at Indianapolis. I've been associated and been friends with race car drivers my whole life from my father before me, from Jackie Stewart of Phil Hill and everybody in between Schumacher, Body Candleau, and all these guys.

But, you know, it's a fun film. It was shot really well, but, you know what I mean? If they were doing an F-1 movie, it would be a whole different story, a real F-1 movie. But, you know, I'm glad that Brad Pitt is able to bring that world into America. But back then, you know, like in the 80s or 90s,

Formula One, it was not popular at all. No, I agree. It became very popular in probably in the last few years, five years in America. Because of Netflix, right, because of the show. Yeah, but also Formula One as a sport has changed dramatically. You know, the whole game has changed. You know, it's a whole different ball game.

Tell me, tell us. Well, kids are racing now. Basically, you know, you have Max Verstopping, which is my favorite race. I love him. He's amazing. He's the best. And it's all about simulation. I've simulated in professional simulation my whole life.

I mean, from video games, obviously, but also professional simulators. Professional simulators that F1 drivers use, I've raced in every single racetrack around the world a thousand times. I've done 24-hour limon in a simulator a thousand times. I know every single racetrack around the world. If you show me a corner of a racetrack, I'll tell you what racetrack that is. From Monza to Monaco to Spa to Silverstone,

American racetracks from Miami, EZ. I raced also professionally at Indianapolis, like I said, California Speedway, Laguna Seca, Albert Park in Australia, Catalonia in Spain. Singapore is one of my favorite tracks that I simulated at. Suzuki, you name it, China, Russia,

Argentina, original track. I know everything about Formula One and all the tracks around the world. So for me, Formula One and racing is in my blood. I can tell you in and out, we can talk for days and days and days about what takes place

on a weekend in the Formula One weekend and what it really takes place with these kids. Now you have kids, who are 18, 19, 20 years old, who are video gamers, who are very thin, they're very skinny.

Some of them don't even bike that much. You know, back in my day, to be a race car driver, you would have to physically fit to a whole new level. Now, they do a lot of neck exercises and all stuff, but they're skinny guys.

Most of the times when you get the G-forces, you understand the car that so you can push it. Basically, the training is mostly lower back, you know, neck, things like that. But, you know, some exercises would weigh but, you know, the Schumacher days, the Seneca days, those days, the 80s and 90s,

we're talking about guys doing a lot of training, and they were fit to a whole new level. Physically. I thought they still did that because... Not to the level that they do now. I mean, now they're playing racquetball. They're going to play, you know, their own weekends. They're doing some biking and things like that. They're doing some next stuff off-season.

What were they doing? Like, Schumacher days? Schumacher was a whole different ballgame. You know, Michael Schumacher who I'm now with, I play soccer with him, He was my favorite driver of all time. His fitness level was a hit different ballgame. And we're talking about doing a lot of weights, a lot of boxing, which race car drivers don't do it as much.

And look at their bodies. You can see it with the way they look. They're tiny. But I thought it's skinny. Very skinny. But I thought that was on purpose because they didn't want to have weight in the car. Yeah, they have to be lower weight. But they're not, they're not cut.

They're not fit. They're not like. Yeah, they're not fit. You know, Alonzo is probably one of the guys that still does a lot of biking. does a lot of cardio, but I have never seen, like, Max do, be on the bike. Or how about, remember that guy, Ricardo?

Oh, Ricardo, yeah. He doesn't look that small to me. They're very skinny, and they have to keep that weight very low, but they're not muscular. They don't have any muscle. They're not tight and toned, you're right. They're not doing the same caliber. So what did, like, Schumacher do back then

that they're not doing right now? Wights, a lot of weight training, a lot of weight training. And they were, Michael was, they also played a lot of soccer And also, like I said, he did a lot of weights that no other driver is even doing right now. Just the force and G forces. He did a lot of neck stuff with a lot of heavy weights and nobody does as much anymore. They still see them doing that.

They put that weight plate and the around. He took it another level. Like, his fitness level was seven days a week. It was, he was, his body was, you could see it the way he looked. Really? Yeah, he was a different, different guy altogether. And he changed the game. But now, like I said, they're just, they look.

look like kids, you know. They are kids. They're playing the video games. You know what I mean? And they're doing, you know, the reason why Max is so good is to another level is because of simulation. Like his simulator game is to a whole new level. Like how? Like he goes after the race and he finishes first or whatever. He finishes or like the last race, the Silverstone. And he goes and he does a race worldwide and a simulation with all these other race car drivers around the way. And he wins that. Or he does like, he's back into the seat and doing simulation. over and over again. Like his eyesight is, it's just a whole different level.

Are the other guys not doing that? No, they were, after the last race, they were at the premiere of the F1 movie, and the only one that wasn't there was Max. You know why? Because he was racing back in Europe and a simulation worldwide, whatever he was doing,

and back in the car, back in a simulator, and just doing what he loves to do. Like, he loves racing. That's what I do. I'm in a simulator every single day. I am racing, whether I'm on the games or the simulation things that I have, I'm doing it every day. And what is it? You're sitting in a, you're sitting in a seat like this, and I'm racing.

It's like a video game. It's a video game. And that's what Formula One is. It's a video game. It's literally a video game right now. With all the panels, everything you have, talking to the pits and every, you have, you have 20 different engineers telling you different stuff and all those other stuff and setups and this and it's a video game. What about NASCAR? How is it different than NASCAR? Well, NASCAR is different. Obviously, you're doing a lot of ovals. Yeah. And there's street courses. I would love to do the Chicago street course. So that's amazing. But that's a whole different skill because you don't have technology adding to it. Right.

That's, you know, and that's also about throttle response because you're keeping the car going smooth for so many laps. And obviously there's a lot of things, you know, with tires and setups and all that. But all the cars are pretty much the same. They're pretty much, you know, they're pretty much the same. really have to take it to another level as a driver. Formula One racing, it's all about aerodynamics, setups, car, you know, and it's a lot of details. It's like NASA versus, you know, you know, flying for the Navy. You know, they're both very high tech, but, you know, you're flying to space in F1, you know, and NASCAR is you have 40-some drivers who today you're going to have this guy winning, and tomorrow you're going to have somebody else. You know, it's rarely, you're going to see a guy

winning six races in a row in NASCAR. It's never going to happen. But why is that? Because you have a lot of things that you have to take into place. You have to do 200 laps. A lot of things can happen. So many laps. You're doing ovals.

You have a lot of guys hitting you behind you. You drag in with F1. Why is that? Because an F1, you got to win on qualifying. Like I said. Yeah, I know. The top three, you know, qualifying, you have three different qualifying sessions. Okay.

All right. So the first session, the first, you know, and the last five go. and they keep going to basically the top five are the ones account. Yeah. So in qualifying is your best lap time. But also you've got to finish the race. That's a different setup. You know what I mean?

So it's all about the car, the aerodynamics, and what you can do with it and how really the full potential of that car and driver are put together. And that's why Max is able to qualify great. And, you know, this year, the Red Bull is having a lot of issues because the car is it has a lot of issues. The McLaren is a full package. It's a full package with aerodynamics. It's a full package by having two great drivers

racing for each other. McLaren has a different philosophy where Red Bull has one great driver and then they've been switching all these other drivers so they don't have the full team. McLaren is a full team this year. What happened to Mercedes?

Because Mercedes was like the leader for so many years and then they had a problem with the car. Well, Mercedes is very interesting because who brought Mercedes back was Schumacher. Schumacher when he came back, as a comeback after he won five championships with Ferrari, he came back with Mercedes.

And he had to develop the car and the team to make it the silver arrow that it is now. So Lewis Hamilton came in a really good spot because when he went to Mercedes for McLaren, he went to a place of the Schumacher took it to another level. Oh, I see. It's a complex game because the driver, see, you could be a great driver,

and they're all great drivers. But also that information as a driver has to be established, and communicated to the engineer and the rest of the team accurately, perfectly. And that's what Schumacher was good, was Jean Todd and the rest of the team, because he was able to tell him exactly, oh, I need this, I need this. So then they were able to change it.

That's what Max is good at. But a lot of these drivers are not good at referring the right information to change that little thing, because you change a little thing, you're going to lose the race, or are you going to win the race? So, and Schumacher was great at developing the Mercedes team, whereas, you know, Lewis Hamilton got into that team at the right time, and there was a full package of a team. But look how long is taking Lewis Hamilton to win a race. Now he's with Ferrari.

Ferrari has $300 or $400 million a year for two cars. They have the testing, they have the simulation, they have the wind tunnel. They have everything in-house. And they still can win. Why? Because it's all about one hundredth of a second difference on, the setup and the aerodynamics of that car. And if that car could actually finish the race and be in the top three, you know. So how much of it is the car versus the driver? It depends.

It really depends. It could be 50, 50, it could be 70, the driver and 30%. It depends on knowledgeable. You know, Red Bull is not there, but they have 70% with Max and they have 30% with the team. Yeah, Matt, I mean, and now they fire the head of the team. And now they're back to square one.

Now they, you know, but Max is still focused. Was he canceled? Was that what happened? He was fired. I was fired for me. Obviously, there's some rumors or things like that, but he started that team. I know. And now they're having issues with the team, but they had issues with the other drivers.

You know, McLaren, they have two great drivers who are following directions perfectly, who are willing to push the car, and they have a great car. Their aerodynamics and they're set up with the car. And also, all this, by the way, is going to be out the door next year. Next year is a whole different regulations. You don't have any more of, you know, all the, regulations and the rules they have this year are gone. All different rules. Well, by the way, who's doing Mercedes now? Like who's the lead, not Toto, but who's a driver? I don't Toto's the guy.

Russell. Oh, wow. They have Russell? Yeah, Russell is Mercedes, but, you know, that the word is that Max is going to Mercedes now and leaving Red Bull for next year. And if he does that, I think Russell's going to be out. For sure. Because Nantonelli, I think he's going to stay in and Russell's going to be out. You're not going to have, especially Russell and Max, they're not going to be good teammates at all. Period. Why? Why do you say so?

They never liked each other. They're not a good fit. Do you think Lewis is done already or he's finished or is he going to win again eventually? I think Lewis might win. It's not the age. I think he's capable, but I think is the car and everything. But he's having issues explaining because this set of driving is completely different than what Ferrari has.

You know, Ferrari has, you know, and I know about that team better than anybody. My father was good friends with Enzo Ferrari. You know, to be in a great team, you've got to have good engineers. And good engineers usually come from England. And English engineers don't want to leave England and live in Italy. They don't want to go live in Maranello and Maldon, and Bologna. They don't want to go live there. They want to live at home.

So you have Lewis Hamilton who's based in Italy right now, who has the English, you know, the second language with Italian, but also the engineering, the style of driving is completely different Mercedes. It's like driving, flying a different jet altogether with all these different things. A very complex. Ferrari is very complex to drive. It's a very, Ferrari is a car. You have to be a driver like no other because it's the beast. It's really a stallion. It's like a horse like no other. When you can drive it, like Michael Schumacher was able to drive the car at full potential. And that's why he won five in a row. But that was Michael Schumacher. He took it a whole new level.

But Lewis won like five in a row for Mercedes. But it's a different style of driving and the car is a different beast. Yeah. Everybody wants to win a championship at Ferrari. Alonza tried it. Vettel tried it and they all failed. Because to be a Ferrari, it's also political too. So it's a different complex of a game.

You got to play the game and you got to be really committed to a whole new level. Like to race a Ferrari, you got to race a Ferrari 24-7 for the entire time. There's no distractions at all. You can't go to Monaco and have a few days of fun. You've got to race and you got to be with the engineers and you've got to butt heads too because the Italians are very hard deal with. Really? Because they're egomaniac.

So you have. You don't say, Antonio, really? Yeah. So, you know, you got to be. Absolutely. 100%. You got to be in the world. You got to have your set rules.

But also you got to know when you went to say I failed. And I got to learn from my failure too. You have a seven-time world champion, Louis Hamilton, who I'm sure is not going to deal. And you hear him in the team recordings and everything. When they're talking to the engineer, they don't get along. They're too different. They're going, they're budding heads, you know, and the Italian guys tell him, telling him to do something.

He's like, I don't want to do it. I don't want to come in and change the tires. Now, I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it. And they're saying, you have to. And then when he does it, he's behind. Yeah. Back in, you know, so you got to play the rules.

Schumacher was different because Schumachie was different because Schumachie It was like the only way I'm going to, and also he's a German, he's very like, you know, it's like, you know. Straight, yeah, very like. You know, it's a different mentality. So for him, it was like, I'm going to win no matter what. And he did, no matter what. Lewis is a little bit different.

But they're all different. All these guys have different personality. What about that guy whose his dad bought the team, you know, he's driving? Oh, yeah, with, yeah. What's that team called again? That's, um. The Astor Martin. Yeah, the Astin Martin.

Who's the guy? I forget because I don't really care about it. is like, yeah, they're... Yeah, he's... Listen, they're all good drivers to a certain degree, but, you know, that's a kid who, you know, Silver Spoon, you know, the guy had to buy the team. He puts him in there.

He's never going to finish. He's never going to be on the podium. He's never been on the podium, I don't think. Is he even good? I mean, he has to be so much. They have to be good enough to even be there, right? The thing with Formula One is a different... Like I said, to be in that world, it's like...

What's that guy's name? It's going to drive me crazy now. Check on your phone what it is. Yeah. It's the Aston Martin. His dad's a billionaire. I know Alonzo, but I don't know. Alonzo is actually finished on the podium and that car, but this kid has never done it.

Plus, he's crashed a car. And every time he crashed the car, millions of dollars. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. That's true. Yeah, I don't really care. You don't follow about him. You know I'm all about finding an edge.

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because obviously you're clearly very fit and you're doing the boxing. What is your, like, routine? What do you do every day? What do your, like, non-negotiables? What I do every day in campus do different things. Okay, I want to know just on a regular day with Antonio, and then I also want to know what you do when you're, like, up-leveling. Well, at home in Florida, I train twice a day. I train two hours in the morning and two hours in the afternoon, seven days a week. You do four hours of working out a day? What do you do?

I do cardio in the morning. For two hours? For two hours. What do you do? I do one hour on the bike and I do it in the heat, hot, humid garage gym that I have. I like to sweat a lot. So I have, I even have a sweatsuit on and I have weights on myself, either a body weight or my ankle weights. and I ride on the bike going uphill for one hour.

That's my first thing. And then after that, I'll go for the boxing. I either do speed bag, and I do a lot of rounds on that, or I do bag work. So I'll do the bag work for straight for another hour. That's first. Every day. Every day, seven days a week. No days off.

And then in the afternoon, I come back and do weights. For two hours. For two hours. Do you do splits or full body? How do you do it? I do full body. I do legs. I do squats.

I do a lot of squats with not a lot of heavy weight. I like to be limber. I like to be lean. My body's always been, my favorite body has always been, Steve Reeves meets Bruce Lee. Very lean, very muscular, but not big like Schwarzenegger. Like Rocky 3 versus Rocky 4. I like to be lean and very, very loose, fast, and cut.

And my body weight, I like to keep it about 175 to 180. And how tall are you? 6-1. You're 6-1? Yeah. I didn't notice that. I thought you were less than that. I'll be shrinking as I got.

Yeah, maybe you are, right? So you do two hours of weight, full body, every day? Yeah, everything. So what did you do today? Oh, you didn't work out today for a time? Today is my training. Oh, no, right. Don't tell me that.

Yeah, we're going to get to that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so you do four hours of working out on a regular day. Yeah. Do you, what do you eat? What do you eat? What are your stuff? I eat a lot of protein, a lot of fish, turkey, chicken, a lot of meat.

I like steaks. My wife makes the best steaks. Really? Yeah, I stay away from carbs, but, you know, I'm in time. No carbs? I try to stay away with it. Yeah, I start away from it. But you're Italian.

Yeah, so I have my days. Don't get me wrong. And I don't call cheat days. If I eat a pizza, I eat a pizza comfortably. And then the next day I have to pay the price for it. But I'll eat some rice or some pasta once in a while. But most of it for me is high protein and some vegetable. I'm not crazy about vegetables.

But for me, I'll eat like two steaks in a row. I'll eat like burgers without the bread. I like meat. I'm like I eat like a lion. And you eat, like, what time do you wake up in the morning? Depends. Right now, I, you know, when. No, not now when you're normal days without training.

I get up at six in the morning. That's a good time for me. And I train, like I have my gym at home. Yeah. I don't like to go to gyms. I think gyms are the most unhealthy and most bacteria, unhealthy places in the world. And the reason why, because they, no matter how much you clean them, you're going to get sick. Plus, they have air conditioning.

I don't like to work with air conditioning. And plus, I don't like to see people wearing their makeup when they work out. It just bugs me. It's one of the things that if you work out, you need to sweat. How can you work with me? And so, plus, I never paid for a membership my whole life. And I like to get up in the morning. I don't drink coffee anymore, too.

I quit coffee altogether, and I feel so much better. So for me is waking up in the morning, have some water, and then go straight into my garage and work out. So you're in the gym at your home around what, 6 to 8? 6 to 8. Yeah, I get up right away. I just walk. Now you just start.

No coffee, just water. Yeah, no coffee. I used to drink a lot of coffee. Now, I quit for many months, many, many months. And how did you quit? Well, I never wanted to be addicted to anything anymore. Be you a drug addict at some point? Yeah, I'm a recovering addict.

And I've done some best stuff in my life. And I've been clean for many, many years. But coffee was the last thing that I was addicted to. And I just didn't feel 100%. And now that I'm boxing, I took it to another level. I'm like, let me try to see. Because I quit coffee before. And the first two weeks is horrible.

migraines, it's just, you know, I mean, and then I did that. I went through the migraines. And then all of a sudden, I was like, I just take my creatine in the morning in water and I'm good to go. And I feel so much stronger. I'm like really to another level. My cardio and everything, I can push it even more without coffee. What kind of creatine do you take? What company? I don't even remember. I don't remember. I'll take any creatine. Don't. It's very important to know where your supplements are coming from. Yeah, no, I don't remember what I take this one from. I'll tell you the truth. But if you want to sponsor me, we'll talk. Yeah, you should take, I'm going to give you some samples of my own of Momentus because it is, it's, yeah, I'll sponsor you. Exactly.

Momentus, maybe, momentous would you like to sponsor him? Let's talk about it. Because it's like you, they're, they're, I think they're third party tested and all the things. Like you have to be careful. You have to. Dr. Asandra on Beverly Hills is my doctor. Oh, I know that. Yeah.

That girl or guy, I've heard of her. Yeah, he's the best. I just did my blood work because I was here. And that I do constantly every year. Just to know. Once a year or twice a year? Twice a year. Every six months.

So, okay, are you on any testosterone, any, nothing? You don't take anything like that. No. No peptides? No peptides. How about Trinogen? NIDs also that I know so much about it right now, you got to do peptides every day. To do peptides, it means I would have to inject myself every single day.

And I'm not going to do that. Yeah. For me, that's why I'm waiting for my testosterone levels to be, and hopefully it'll be at about a thousand. Hold on. What? Yeah. You're waiting to see?

Yeah. What are they right? The last time you got your test. 800 to 1,000 is what I keep. Naturally? Yeah. At 53. Yeah.

Stakes and working out as much as I do helps. Because I was also, like weight training is very good for, you know, naturally increasing your testosterone. But every day, isn't that also, isn't there a burnout factor because you're working out so much? Can it deplete? No for me. I need it.

I also need it for my mental. Yeah. From my brain. So it's for me is, and I remember. Cooperate, every night, I'm good to go. I am good to go the next day. There's no time in between where I need that rest day for me, for me. Now, I don't suggest to do this for anybody. I'm not a trainer, but I've been doing this for many years. I know my body in and out better than anybody. So I know what to take. I know if I eat this is going to affect me here. I know what I have to

do and I have to train every day, seven days a week. And when during the day are you doing your two hours of weights? What time? In the afternoon. How do you have time to work out for four hours a day. You got plenty of time. Four hours a day. Yeah. And this is between meetings and I'm also in real estate or if I do a movie or whatever. You know, if I do a movie, I'll work out in the more before going on a set and then I'll do it afterwards. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's funny because people make excuses. They can't find 10 minutes. Well, my fitness book was called No Excuses. So was mine. Yeah. Really? Yeah. No excuses. I released in 1999. Yeah. My first book was released in 2009. It was called No Excuses? It was called No Gym Required. no, any time, anywhere, no excuses.

Yeah, mine is no excuses. Just no excuses. That is so funny. Because you can make an excuse. For anything. For anything. Okay, so wait. So then eating wise, you do a lot?

Okay, so what do you eat for breakfast? I don't eat breakfast. I fast. My time to eat is between 12 and 8. Okay. And then you, how about sugar? How about fruit? Do you eat fruit?

No fruit? I mean, no fruit, not a lot of fruit. No sugar. None. Do you have, okay, so I would imagine no alcohol. No. So when were you an addict at what point of your life? I was years ago, and I talk about it in my book, The Antonia Sabato Jr., the untold stories.

I'm very open about everything. I got addicted to painkillers and I got addicted to sleeping pills. I was going through a really tough time in my life, and I coped with it by going to sleep and taking these pills. And we're talking about, like, you know, very addictive, volume kind of stuff. What year are we talking? This is over 10 years ago. Was this when this whole Donald Trump situation happened or before then? Right before, yeah, right before.

I went to recovery. I went to a really dark place in recovery to the center I went to, was in Pasadena. I didn't want to go to the, you know, club med and, you know, Britney Spears, Malibu at Treatment Center. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanted to go to the hardcore. You know, some of my friends to this day are people that got out of jail, went into jail. I learned so much about myself. I was without a phone, working on myself.

For how long? I did 30 days. So wait. So how long were you an addict for? Many years. How many? I would say long enough. Like five years?

Yeah, about, yeah. Long enough. Even one day was too long. So basically when I asked you earlier, like what happened to you, would you say that was also something that happened? Like you took a kind of like a hiatus because of what happened? I kept working. And I kept working.

You were still working. Yeah, because you're living, you know, when you're an addict, you live in two different worlds. You live in the real world and you live in a fake world. And you can sustain the two by the drugs you're taking. You know, it's just, it's a fascinating thing that we create for ourselves, this imaginary world. And that's what they always call it a recovery addict because you're always an addict.

Right. And you're just recovering for the rest of your life. I don't look at it like my days being clean. I know I'm going to be clean for the rest of my life. It's not even a question for my kids. And that's why I want to be open, and I want to share that to my children. And everyone is watching because you shouldn't be afraid

for the mistakes you make. We all make mistakes. It's how you recover and how you come back stronger the next time, you know, because I've seen a lot of from my friends who are dead or gone. They're not coming back. Who fell back in the wagon, who went back to the heroin,

who went back to all these things. And there's no recovery for that. When you're gone, you're gone. And so I had so many second chances to say, you know what? I'm so blessed with everything that I have. how can you learn and how can you teach this? How can you express this to other people that might need that in your life?

And that's why I'm still here, stronger than ever. And that's where I'm going to prove to everyone that is never over until it's over. What was the, I guess, the straw that broke the camel's back? Why did you... Well, what was the bottom, I should say? Yeah, it was the rock bottom when I didn't have those pills anymore. When that drug in my life was not available to me that I couldn't get it, my body went into a seizure.

I went into a physical and mental seizure that I never experienced in my life. And that's why I remember calling my mom and I was just bawling. I was in the middle of the desert by myself, let's say. You know, like I was isolated, feeling completely helpless. And I said, I got to go to a treatment.

And I don't want to go to a, you know, like I said, I don't want to go to a fantasy one day. I don't want to go to a real place. And I went. And when I went there, I rediscovered myself in a way and I got on a spiritual journey with God in a different way, like what I really was meant to be here for. And my connection to my children and my family, later after that, I met my wife now,

Katia, who I love dearly. Like, my life right now is where it's supposed to be because of that moment. Because of that. Well, that's always what happens, right? Like, your worst moment can end up being your best moment, right? Like, you don't, but you don't know that at the time. You only know that after the fact, right? Yeah, absolutely.

What brought you there? Like, what started the drug use in the first place? Well, I was not happy in my life. And sometimes when you're not happy in your life and you just don't know where to go in a personal level, you cope with all kinds of things. You cope with alcohol. You cope with hanging with the wrong people.

You cope with drugs. You cope with things that become addicted to you. And that's why I even quit coffee, because I don't want to be addicted. I want to be addicted to my kids. I want to use that word to be addicted, which is a strange, interesting word, to things that make me better.

You know, I want to be addicted to God. You know, I want to be addicted to my wife. I want to be addicted to, you know, the things that make me just holy. And that stuff wasn't. And I'm glad that, and I was always in fitness, and I even trained during these times. I always... Oh, you did? Yeah, but it was never enough.

Because this is a psychological journey, a spiritual journey. Yeah. And also the addiction was so physical for me that my body reacted in a way that I never felt before. You know, heroin is one of the worst ones. And... Have you ever tried heroin? No, I never tried heroin. Never. How about Coke and all the other ones?

Yeah. Because in those times, like back in the 90s. And I had the worst friends. I had people they were hung in. You know, the whole people, you know, the people hanging around you, all the wrong people. You know, what was that show with Mark Wahlberg? You know what talking about, right? Where everybody's hanging out, he did. Not boogie night. Not boogie nights. I mean, what was it?

No, the TV show you had with all his friends hanging out. Oh, you mean entourage. Yeah, entourage, right? That wasn't Mark Wahlberg, by the way. Yeah, he produced it. It was about him. Oh, right. It was about, you're right, and Doug Yellen did it. Of course, Mark Wahlbrook. So entourage, I had the real entourage for many years before my kids were born. And I had that life. And that's not the life I wanted. And that's not the life that I won right now.

So you were Vinnie, basically. Yeah, I had all that. And how long did you have that life? For many years. I had the worst people hanging around me, wannabes, you know, all the best friends. And none of those people are in my life right now. None of them? No, no. I have a few friends in my life. I can tell you who they are and my family, of course, and that's it. Did you live in the hills back then in Hollywood Hills? I lived in Hollywood, yeah. And did you have... I lived in, actually, I lived in Maria. I had a house by the beach. I had the friends. I had the parties. I had all that. And then let me ask you something because I would imagine you made a lot of money. Yeah. Because you were like the guy then. Did you like waste it all away? What did you do with all that money? I deal. People out of prison.

Really? Yeah. I got people out of prison. I took people all over the world, first class here and there to events and things like that. Yeah. You spend it all? Yeah. So were you then when you were taking the drugs, was it because you kind of like were at rock bottom in your life and your career?

What happened? I wasn't happy. I wasn't happy with myself. I wasn't happy with the life that I was living. And I knew, I think part of me knew that I was, I needed to do more to get to this level that I am now. I just didn't know how to do it. And so by being unhappy, I coped it by taking this stuff that made me really addicted. And then I found out the hard way because when I didn't, you know, if I still would have had those pills,

I probably would have taken until the till the end. And God said no more. And then when he stopped it is where everything became real, real. Yeah. Yeah. But now you've been clean for a year or so. For years. For years.

How about, did you date any famous ladies when you were younger? I did. Who did you date? Jennifer Love Hewitt, Madonna. Madonna, when she did Vogue, she was number one in the world, we dated. And the only reason why I'm talking about it and people know about it is because I released the information because I kept my, in Pamela Anderson back in the day, and I kept my relationship with these amazing ladies, Ashley Judd. I kept it very secret, very, you know, I respect them.

I respect the time that we had together. Also, Virginia Mattson was the mother of my. first child who's in his 30s right now. And so I've been fortunate enough to have amazing, beautiful, you know, very famous people in my lives, but I kept it very private. How long did you date Madonna for? We dated for a whole summer. Ooh, a whole summer.

How old were you? I was about, what, 18 years old? How old was she if you were 18? She was in 30s. She must have been like 30. Yeah. What is with these people? You were like literally a child, though.

When we met, I mean, when I met Donna, I was just, she was the coolest person ever. I remember. And she was, to me, she was so beautiful and talented. And I've learned so much from her. And, yeah, so we had it. We had an amazing time. And then after that, I got married for five months to a beautiful model, one of the, you know, Tully Jensen, which is incredible woman. One of the top models of the time.

Like, I did things my way. Like, I know. I want to know the, I want to know, like, the tea here. Now we're getting to the good stuff that people are going to listen to. Okay, so why did you and Madonna break up? Did she break up with you? No, we just had a really comfortable, awesome summer together. And we just spent a lot of time together in New York City.

I remember these things. We met here. We met in Los Angeles. And we clicked at Her Brits House. And remember those games, Truth or Dare? Of course. Yeah, back in the day. The first time, so we played this game.

and she dared me to do some stuff. And then we started dating. What did she dare you to do? She dared me to kiss her in front of everybody. And I did. And then so it was surreal. You know, and then I went to New York, living there on my own, you know, dating Madonna secretly.

Nobody knew. You know, all the paparazzi were waiting in the front. We would go from the back. Yeah. And I wanted to do that. I didn't want to be the boy toy. You know, when me and Pamela dated, it was between me and her. it was very kind and beautiful and nobody knew it.

This is before she got married. This is before the whole thing. And yeah. And so I got to know them for who they were, not the celebrity. And they got to know me for who I was. And we had an amazing time together. And I always respected them and I always wanted to respect. But since time has gone by, I can openly talk about times together.

You know, Jennifer Love was great time with me and her. and I cherish that time. She's a smart, beautiful woman. How long did you date her for? We dated for several months. She dated, she actually ended up marrying a guy I know. She has, you know, I think three beautiful kids, and she has an amazing, she's in a movie right now coming.

I mean, like, she's, I'm so just pleased to have, and I never dated anybody I work with, like I said. Right, right, right. You know, people I work with, but I got to meet these amazing women, and I was, yeah, I was like an Italian boy coming from Italy, like being surrounded with so much beauty and talent. Yeah. And then what about. Stunning women.

What about Pamela? Because I mean like certain people like whatever, right? Pamela, how long did you date her for? She's Canadian too. So we kept our relationship, like I said, very private. We dated a few times. But I never, there was so much hype with both of us that I think it kept us away from being jumping in that world, at least for me. Because I didn't want to, like I said, I didn't want to be.

I didn't want anybody to know. my business, especially at the time was the beginning of the paparazzi chasing you and taking all that stuff, the paparazzi magazines, the People magazine, all that stuff. So I kept it very, very private. Who is your favorite person that you dated in that world? Oh, they're all great. Obviously, you know, Virginia Mattson, you know, we spent a lot of time together and we have a son together. I want to see who she is. I don't remember who she is. I got to Google her. And God bless her and her family and her brother just, and God bless. The Madison family, her brother Michael, just passed away.

And I know the entire family went through hell and back. So my condolences to Virginia and her family and Michael, who I used to know very well. And he was a great guy, great talent. So again, to addiction and things like that. But I had so much, they're all different. You know, when me and Ashley Judd dated, she's such a smart, beautiful woman that I just loved having these long conversations with Madonna. I remember having conversations about business and how do you manipulate the money. You know, she was on the phone talking about multi-million dollar contracts.

And I was fascinating by how she was just so calm and very smart about how she was dealing with how, you know, managers and agents. And also she was very fit. She used to run a Central Park every morning. I loved that about her. And also her diet was very strange. She was like, she would eat like, she wouldn't, she wouldn't, she would eat like pop At night, like these low carbs popcorn, and she was full with that.

I'm like, that's all you eat. Yeah, yeah. So it was like, I learned different things. She'd only eat popcorn at night? Yeah, she would eat, like, at times when I used to go and spend time with her, she used to eat like just some popcorn in there. And then we would have like an early dinner. And then, but it wasn't how much.

She wasn't like a big eater. She was very lean, did a lot of yoga, a lot of running. When she did Vogue, I mean, she was like number one in the world. No, by the way, her movie Truth or Dare was one of my. favorite movies ever. We dated it right after that. Really? So she was at the, she was bigger than, she was bigger than it.

Physically, she was just amazing. She was like, like a spectacle. Yeah. She was so fit and she was so perfect with her like, six miles every day. Oh, do you remember? Yeah, yeah, she would do the yoga, the private trainer. Yeah. She was, what I always admired about her was that she was the most disciplined, like, hard worker.

You can't, you couldn't, you couldn't touch her in that way. Like, she worked for it. Like she would take some, she could take some time off. She never took some time off. I remember calling and I'm like, I'm coming over. She's like, no, I'm finishing up my training. Give me another hour. I'm like she was always on point.

I learned a lot. I learned a lot. That would be a good, like I was, that's what I was at. I wanted to know because like just being around her at that time when her career was like the biggest of all time. Yeah. You must have just gleaned so much information from her and learned just so much. And I think they liked it about me because I wasn't.

like just a kid off the street, you know, wanted to be an actor, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was, you know, when I have these conversations, even with you, like, I'm always, like, listening and paying attention. I'm dedicated to the time that we have. And I think I've always had that with everyone. And they saw them. I'm like, this kid is really listening to what I have to say. Right.

Because there's a lot of people in that world when you're that big, we're not listening to you. Right. They're like, yeah, whatever, yeah, whatever, whatever. I'm like, I'm really listening to what you're saying. I'm really paying attention. Right. You know, so. That's true.

It's good. But that's, but that's really, that's, when you have people like that around you or people that you can learn from, you should take that opportunity. Absolutely. Right. So what was a, what was the top lesson that Madonna then taught you? Oh, just stay focused on your dream, stay and be dedicated, really be dedicated. And what I learned from her is lifestyle, because people talk about diets and they talk about regiments and be motivated. I take all that stuff and put it on the side. Lifestyle for me is so much important because it's like brushing your teeth. What I learn is you got to brush your teeth today, right?

You're not even going to forget about it because you don't want to go to the dentist tomorrow. You don't want to have cavities. You want to take care of your teeth. So for me, training is like a lifestyle. To me, eating is like a lifestyle because dedication and motivation will only last so long. You know, people have fire trainers and people who are the diets and diets don't work. You're always going to fail and you'll feel bad that I put some pounds on. But if you have that lifestyle that constantly no matter what, you're always going to be on track, you can't get out of it.

I learned that from her and everybody else, and I made it part of my life. I think it's also what I say is that you got to build habits, like that routine, like habits are what keep you doing the thing day and day out, right? If things are not habits, it's easy to forget. Like, you're right, brushing your teeth. Like, just how people brush their teeth, they should be going in the gym, or they should be working out or moving their body. Like, I said the same thing.

Like, you know, like it's like, it's like, it's a hassle. Or it's like a secondary thing that's completely unnecessary. Yeah. But all that, like, to me, like your exercise time or your workout should be like fundamentally primary in your day. Yeah. Like I work out at my, when I work out at home, I put my glasses on. Even I did this one.

You're wearing your glasses now. Yeah. Can I see what you look like? Yeah, of course. Oh. Because these are the best glass of Dita, the best glasses in the world. I work, I wear them every day because they soothe in my eyes, especially with lights. But to me, to, when I train and I'm focused, I like to wear my glasses.

I don't like to pay attention to anybody else. I don't like the music. I don't like, to me, it's like two hours of this training today. It's not going to be fun. It's not going to be a walk in the park. It's not going to be like anything. Like right now, I'm always focused on what I'm doing at the moment. You don't listen to music when you're working out?

Try not to, no, no. I try to focus on like because. How are you not bored? Because I don't stop. I don't, even in my camp right now, we do have, you know, he plays the music because I do a lot of dancing and moving in the ring. But for me, it's like, when I, when I jump into the training session, If it starts at six, I'm going to like, that's the marathon.

And then at 8 o'clock, I can stop the marathon. Oh, yeah. Tell me, yeah, I want to know what your routine is when you are training. You told us what you do when you're off training. Yeah. Yeah. Camp is six days a week. And it's four hours.

Not seven. Not seven. So you train less when you're at camp? Yep. Well, because I'm doing more into the sparring, into the beating up the body in a different way, like getting hit in the rib and getting hit in the head. There's a lot of different muscles that I don't use that are really hurting. So for me, that day off.

And also my coach, Chris Steele, says, you got to do it. You got to do it. But it's six days a week and it's four hours straight every morning, six to ten every morning, six days a week for nine weeks straight. And what are you doing? We're doing everything in the ring. It's from sparring and speed, like I do speed back, 10 rounds of speed bag. I do, you know, 10 to 12 rounds, moving around, sparring, doing all the technical stuff,

bag work, mitt work, no weights at all. all just sit-ups, a lot of sit-ups. Everything is nimble and loose. I haven't done weights since six months. Really? Yeah, no weights, none. Like right now, it's sugar Ray Leonard body, sugar Ray Robinson, very loose. My cardio is off the charts. I mean, I can spar with guys that do marathons or swimmers and they wouldn't last. So when you're doing the six to ten now, you're not doing the biking and all that stuff. You don't do that stuff. No, no running, no nothing, not even jump-roping. Everything is in the ring. For four hours.

Yeah, for four hours. I have to change setup of like, my wardrobe, I have to change because I'm drenched. So I have to change socks or drenched. I have to change in two hours. Really? I change them and I have to put a new outfit. Yeah. And then I go for two hours again.

So you said do you ever run anymore or do incline walking? Is it just always the bike? For a spa, no, for camp, there's no, no, no, not for, sorry. I should, I didn't mean to. Oh, for me? Yeah. For me? For me, it's running.

Yeah. Oh, is that only bike? bag. No, I do, well, let me, let me phrase it. So I do, I do, I do running and I do biking for most of the times. And sometimes I even go in the ocean, I do some swimming as well. Okay, so you'll either do some days, you will run and not bike. Yeah. But the bag is always the same for an hour. Yeah. Okay. How long do you, you run for an hour? No, the hour, I do, I do four miles at the park. So I go, I leave my house, I do four miles, and I come back and I still do the bike. Because that four miles, It'll take me for half an hour.

Oh, so the bike is a consistent thing. The bike is always there. But sometimes you add in the running for a half hour. Yeah, because I like to be outside, and I also like to run in heat and hot weather. And that's where Florida is perfect for me. Because the humidity, doesn't it? It must be a killer in there. It's a killer.

And I love it. The breathing, the hard, the thin hair, the, you know, the steam room kind of thing, the sweating. I love sweating and working out, sweating. I don't like to work out in cold. and air conditioning. That's why I hate, that's true. That's actually true. That's why I don't like going to the gym

at Equinox because, sorry, equinox, but it's always cold. I like to work in how well. I like to, like, I hate working out in air. That's why I have, in my house, I have like treadmill the bikes everywhere. When I go to Italy, I find these old gyms. Yeah.

But like, you know, rust and like old gym, nobody even uses them. Right. No air conditioning. I like to go on those places. How about Costa Rica? You'd love Costa Rica. Oh, I love Costa Rica.

You do? Yeah. Yeah, because of that reason. Yeah, because of that reason. Yeah. I'm going to Costa Rica, actually, the end of the month, I'm nervous. I would love to build. If anybody's willing to build it with me, gyms around the country where they're open,

they're warehouses. Just warehouses with those big fans, you know, but no air conditioning, open the gates and just work out. There's a lot of those gyms everywhere. You just have to find them. But I want big warehouses all over the country where you can just go and work crazy and do a lot of cardio and the heat. So it's cardio, cardio weight routine, yeah.

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What kind of stuff are you doing? I do up to 15 to 20 pounds. Like I do like 100 shoulder presses in a row. And I'll do like sets of shoulder presses, shoulder flies. I'll do another hundred of chest flies. I'll do cables for another hundred. So 15 to 20 only. And you're doing 100 reps at a time.

Yeah, 100 reps. 50 to 100. And I'll do like elastic bands. Yeah. I'll do like 50 to 100 at one side, do a 50 to 100 at one side. I want to work out with you. When would you be working out here? Can I work out with you?

I want to see. You probably don't like to work out with people, I would imagine. It slows you down. For me, I love it when they say, oh, let's train and all that stuff. For me, it's like there's no fun, there's no jokes. There's none of that. I know you're actually serious. Yeah, serious.

And so for the next 60, when I did My Antonio, for example, in Hawaii, I trained the entire crew. And by the time they were done filming, they were the fittest crew you could ever imagine. And every morning before shooting, I took into my regimen. And it was no talk, no music. It was just nonstop doing all kinds of fun stuff in a row for two hours every morning. And by the time we were done, like I said, they were ready to do a marathon. They were the fittest. They lost so much weight.

And that's what we do. And some of them wouldn't come back the next day. They wouldn't come back the next day. I know. I just came from something. And all these people were out. They're like, hey, would you work out with us? And I said, if I, like, would you train us?

And I'm like, well, if I train you, it's not fun in games. We're not going to be sitting there chit-chatting. We're going to go through my routine. And I did that. And lo and behold, the next day nobody showed up again. Yeah. And to do it every day. Like, you could have a great workout a week.

But for me, it's not having a great workout a week. It's about having it every day. No, I agree. Okay, tell me about your boxing, celebrity boxing tournament. Like, who are you boxing? Corley Williams is his name. He's the king of hooks. He's from Philadelphia.

How did you even get into this? Like, why did someone called? June said, hey, do you want to make some money? I was actually going to fight Roy Jones Jr. back in the 90s when I was doing General Hospital. Me and Chris Steele and Steel Boxer, the entire gym, they were setting this up for a celebrity match. So I'm very comfortable with celebrity matches. 30 years ago? Yeah.

Why don't you do Jack? What's not Jack? Jacob Hall. You should fight now. I already asked him to fight. I already asked him and a bunch of said. They haven't responded. It's fine.

I'll find somebody else. But, you know. And it wouldn't get ratings. He wants like to fight Tyson. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, he's, he's, he's. ranked now as a cruiserweight.

He is? But I think, yeah, he's ranked finally after fighting these old guys. But for me, it's a different type of fight because I don't fight like them. Could you kill him probably? Well, it would be fun. It'll be a lot of fun. It'll be a different match than what he's been doing, that's for sure. I think Mike Tyson was paid to, you know, take the fight.

Well, Mike Tyson, by the way, he got, he was in a hospital bed a few months before the fight. He was doing really bad. He had a blood transferee. He had some stuff going on with him. I am interesting that they even let him fight. Plus, he's been smoking marijuana for the last 10 years, so his lungs are jacked. Jacked. Right?

Plus, he hasn't been training for many years. So it's like there's a kid who is fresh, who's training in Puerto Rico, who's got millions of dollars, he's got the full team. He's got the people feeding him, this and that. But by the way, you know, Jake Paul has been looking worse and worse every fight. Like his physical body has been worse and worse. And he's got the same team and all that stuff. But, you know, he's babysit, and he's picking the fights that he wants. And he knows what he's doing, you know, and he's making all these millions of dollars.

I know what he's doing. I mean, listen, he's making a shit ton of money. But I think either Mike Tyson was paid to, like, just take the, you know, just to, like, do it. And he wants the money. He doesn't give his shit at this point. Yeah, he made $20 million for, like, what, to stand there. For 20 minutes or so. Right, just stand there.

And listen, if you were to look it at, if you were to check out the footage, like, on slow-mo, you see, he had to, he had to. like easy places where he could just pound the guy. Listen, if Jack Paul wanted to fight professional like he's talking about, he should fight a professional fighter, his age, who is ranked now. Of course. But he hasn't been able to do that because he wants to keep this thing going. And I understand it because he would have lost. I mean, he lost against Fury and that guy's not even a good boxer.

And he was some sort of ranked or whatever. And he lost against him. But he's won against these guys were much older. not known to be boxers. And then Mike Tyson was a money fight. Everybody wanted to see that fight. Everybody thought that Tyson is going to come back like the old Tyson. And that's not the case. Like I said, when you smoke that stuff for many years, your layers and your lungs are gone. It takes about a year to clean it all out. I know. And he's smoking like not just a little bit. I mean, he's doing it like all day. I'm okay. Everybody do whatever you want to do. It's legal right now.

But anytime you put stuff in your lungs and you're working in training, Your lungs, which are not in the front, they're in the back. Right. They cover, you know, your rib cage, and they're working in the back are layers of tissue in your lungs. And when you affect it by smoking, those tissues don't grow the same way. It takes a long time. And sometimes they don't even grow the same way at all because you've been smoking so long. So I know you guys want to smoke you marijuana.

It's free, whatever, you know, I mean, it's free. It's legal and all that. But anytime you put stuff in your lungs from nicotine and everything else is going to affect you. You know, also, you know, they say now, of course, course, oh, all the benefits you're getting. But personally, I mean, I don't know how people, whenever I would like smoke marijuana or weed or whatever you want to call it, there's no chance that I would not eat 10 times my weight and calories because it's starving. And your inhibitions are totally gone. Yeah. So like, you'll eat everything. There's no way. Let's they have like no

food around me and no vehicle. But now you can like order food on your phone. And stop, now stop eating. No, I'd get a hundred pounds. I literally gained a hundred pounds in a month. Absolutely. Because there's no stopping. The munchies will keep going and going and go and I don't care what people say. That's what leukemia patients smoke marijuana is you got to eat. I don't know how people don't. And also you're so lethargic. You're just sitting around and all you think. Yeah. So you're like, okay, you know what? Maybe I'll like eat this, you know, bag of chips. And everybody works differently with taking all kinds of, you know, abusing your body. Everybody's different. And that's why everybody should talk from their own experience. I'm talking for my own experience. I don't care.

Right, but I tell you, you eat a lot and you affect your lungs. And once your lungs are ruined and you can't breathe, let me tell you something. You wish you never smoked. Yeah, 100% agree. Yeah. How much are they paying you for this fight? Not enough. Not enough. That's a good answer. What's the precise exact amount of money? Well, let's put it this one. I'm not doing it for the money. I'm doing it for the pride and I'm doing it because nobody else is doing it. And I also am doing it because I love doing it. And I can see myself doing this for a couple years and beating up some good people. But do you get like 10,000? Do you get 5,000? Do you get 20,000? I get more than 20,000. 50?

Yeah, well, give and take. Let's see how many people are going to buy the tickets. And hopefully it's going to be sold out. It's 2,300 arena, the place that we're going to have the fight at. Okay. I asked them. Yeah, okay, you ask them, is it because you, I know it's the pride and I understand all these answers, but do you also need to need it for the money?

No, I could definitely be doing a lot more, doing, making a lot more money, being in real estate or doing other things. Yeah, selling homes right now probably bring me a lot more money. For me is I know that this is meant for me and it's going to bring me a lot of things. And it's also my comeback story. I think it's great. You know, the Rocky story, Philadelphia, Antonio Sabato in the 50s, nobody's doing this, It's the fight, a real fight.

How old is the guy? He's 10 years younger than me. Okay, so he's 43. Okay, he's still old, though. I mean, when I say old, he's not 25. I mean. But the world of boxing, you know, he's the king of hooks. He's the guy who's going to bring it.

But, you know, nobody else wanted to fight. I give him a lot of credit because, you know, I asked some celebrities in Hollywood the fight, and they all said no. Who did you ask? I asked Mark Wahlberg. I asked Mario Lopez. These guys, they're the boxers, and they said no. We asked some other fighters who are retired.

They said no. So I can wait and longer. Why would Mark Wahlberg, honestly? Why would he get into the ring and fight you? Why not? Because, A, he doesn't need the money or the fame or the notoriety or anything. But life is not about money. The life is about leaving.

Yeah, but he could take a fight. It's a challenge. You know, why do I want to race again? Why I want to be a 24-hour Le Mans? You know, why do I want to risk so much? Because the risk also will bring the reward. Yeah. And this is the type of guy I am that is doing stuff nobody else is doing.

And also, look what this is done. Since I've started this boxing thing and I've been promoting, I have people in my family, people in the industry who are putting videos up about them boxing, them at the gym, with their private trainers. And I know it has to do with me. Yeah, yeah. Because they never box one day in their lives. And all of a sudden, this whole boxing game, oh, I got a trainer.

I'm boxing in the ring. I think I'm a fighter. Yeah. So I'm changing people's lives. And I think we need to do that. We need to expend the horizon and going after things. most people don't want to do. Okay, that's a good answer. What about other ways you're making money currently? Well, I'm in real estate. You said that a couple times. Are you a real estate agent?

Yeah, I'm a real estate agent in Florida. I sell homes. I was part of a big project in downtown Tampa for a long while. You're a real estate agent? Yeah. You sell. I sell. I can sell anything in real estate wise. You know what they should do with you? You know, by the way, taking a real estate agent test is one of the hardest ever. And I was able to pass that. too. And I went back to high school and got my diploma too a few years back. That's great. You know a million dollar listing, they should do one and put you, well, you should be in one of those shows. Sure. Because like, it would be funny to have you in one of those shows. Yeah. Don't you think? Yeah, I can go to New York and then bring some projects back to Florida

and vice versa. Or just be, I guess, no. And my wife is a real estate. She's, she's the pro. She's the pro. She's really good. How many houses have you sold? I sold a few, actually, a few condos. Really? Very expensive condos. Yeah. How much? And Marina Point and Tampa, which are beautiful condos. How much do they go for there?

They go for two to three million dollars a piece. In Tampa. Oh, yeah. Beautiful. Private boating and everything. It's one of a kind. Marina Point is one of the best places ever. Yeah.

Do people say to you, oh my God, you're Antonio Sabata Jr. They give it, you know, when I showcase these properties, they go, hold on a second. Are you the, yeah. Yeah. And they get intrigued and then they want to buy the, and then they want to buy it. Of course. Or are they like, oh my God, it's Antonio. Like it's exciting for them, right?

Yeah, it's very exciting. Okay, I want to ask you, but I kind of jumped on over it before with the Donald Trump situation. Yeah. So now when he wins again, right, 10 years later. Yeah. And now it's a whole different ballgame, right? Like people have now like jumped the shark, right? And it's now cool to like him, right?

And it's like uncool to be on the Democratic side. How has that changed your life in terms of, I know you said you're not in a depopold. But are you involved with the maga and all that stuff? I'm not involved with any political party or anything political because I know how of a nonsense it is and how fake it is. Tell me what you mean by that. There's two jobs, careers that really are the most the fakesst. It's the show entertainment world that I'm in and politics. Both of them.

They're the ones who will lie at whatever cost, it doesn't matter. constantly 24-7, especially the congressmen, the politicians, the governors, all of them have to do it. It's just the way it is. Just like when you're on the red carpet, and most people don't have the guts to tell you the truth. And they tell you, everything is perfect in my life. And you know that it's not. You know, and then they all get divorced and they all get their legal battles and all stuff. You know what I mean? And they all date each other, you know, and it's the same thing. And so I don't have anything to do with it. And I've learned a lot because I was in it. And so I tell everyone, that if you really believe in this political thing

and you're so eager to get in these arguments about politics, go for it. Run for Congress, run for a political office, and see for yourself how it really works. Because you're also in Florida, so you have nothing to do with Donald Trump at all? No. No, but not.

Have you ever met the guy? Oh, I met it many times. On a person level, he's a great guy. He's, you know, I've hosted events for him in the past. I went to the White House many times. I hosted beautiful events, classic events at the White House for Christmas events and for our military who I adore our police officers or fire department all that I love I support our military in and out I support a you know first

responders all the time our second amendment I'm all that but the political world is such a nasty nasty thing and the entertainment world in the political world are two worlds that just collide all the times they want to be in it together and they all collide at the same time it's very interesting. It's like in it, it's like a yin and the yin. And I don't like it anymore. I just don't have anything to do with it. I really don't. And, you know, amassed from people running for political offices. Do you want to support me in this? I'm not supporting you. I'm not supporting you. I'm supporting myself and my family and my career. That's it. I support God. And I support our nation. Obviously, I want our nation to succeed. But the political world is a nasty world.

Very bad one, unfortunately. So then do you think he's doing a good job, a bad job? I think anybody in political office has the hardest job ever to make everybody happy to to you know I think as far as working hard he's the hardest working guy in his 80s to be working nonstop 24 hours a day I don't know how he does it you got to give the guy credit you got to give I was going to say you can hate him or love him but once I mean the guy's a hard working mother fucker I mean he doesn't have to do any of it but no he does because his ego would not allow him not to his ego motivates him you know the lawsuits I don't think like he's the most, talk about resilience. I mean, this guy is the most resilient.

Yeah, the art of war. The art of war. I have never seen anything like it. Yeah. And the art of the deal, which is a great book that I read. Yeah, I like that book. He lives by it. Yeah.

I mean. But I wouldn't want to be around that environment, especially him, where everybody is trying to be your friend and everybody hates you. Yeah, everyone hates you to. Now it's convenient to be his friend. So people are wanting to be his friend. But by the way, he doesn't give a shit. I mean, that's the thing.

President Trump call me at any given moment throughout the night, whatever, so I need your help. I'm there for him. But at the end of the day, you know, he's doing a job and most people would have, oh man, it's the hardest job in the world. But he wanted the job. He wanted a job. And listen, the guy was shot. Yes, he was shot.

He survived and shot twice. And people forget that. I'm like, the guy was shot and people died that day. And God bless everyone that was affected by this. And so your life is endangered. you're 24 hours a day, plus the people in your circle don't like you. And you've got to work with these people. And not to mention the people around the world.

But listen, he picks people who just are yes men, who'll just say kiss his ass. He doesn't want people in his life who are real people who tell him like it is. He wants people who are around him who just say, yes, you're 100% right. You're amazing. You're wonderful. That's what he wants. To a certain degree. But he also wants, like I know him on a different.

I've seen him work. He also wants the people who are smart to come in the room and say something to him that he's surprised by. Smart. Did you see the gaggle of yo-yo's that he's picked to be in all these major positions? But not all. Not all. But there are disasters.

And they are. And when they talk to the media and they talk to the world and then they don't back it up, they look like schmucks. That's the political world that I have nothing to deal with. Because if you're going to say something, better do it. Most of these people, they try to say something then that doesn't work out, they put it under the rug. And everybody's like, what?

Yeah, I voted for this. So yeah, no, the political world is something that I'm glad that God protected me from, because I could still be there. I could still be running for, you know, in Congress and my Congress district of 26 in Ventura County to this day and going to Washington, D.C. And going to the Capitol and dealing with these, no,

they're just, no, they're snakes and their leeches. And no, I don't wanna. And basically the politician is supposed to be there to help the people. And they're supposed to do that job for free. All politicians are rich. They're wealthy. They're not supposed to make all this money. They're not supposed to do all this.

They're supposed to do it for the, you know, for the people by the people. Well, right. So when you say, why is he doing it? I'll tell you why he's doing it. Because that man loves power. He's addicted to Fave and he's addicted to attention and money. And therefore, that's why he's doing it. And also, I believe, if that's what you agree with, I also have to add to the point that he loves this country.

Yeah, because this country is a special one. And if you let it go, just like we're seeing California go, like I love California. You know, I love the states so much. And I've seen it deteriorate. And it says, beautiful, it still is. We have the best weather. I talk to people all the time, but you're still there is the best weather. But what about, you know, you bought a house for $3 million and there's people living in tents around the course.

corner. Your kids can don't walk down the street and feel safe. So that has changed. So I think part of him says, you know, we don't want that to happen through the entire country. We got to, somebody's got to do something. You know, we cannot take advantage and let these politicians take advantage of the whole shebang at some point. But once again, I take care of my family, my environment, try to live a really good life and try to leave the politicians to themselves. To themselves. Yeah. Well, I got to say, this was very interesting. I'm glad I did this podcast. with you. This was really fun. I mean, it's the person behind the face, the cute face from 1990. You know what I mean? I didn't even realize how young you were back then. Wow.

Antonio Sabato Jr. Okay, so you're doing your boxing match. What date? September 27th in Philadelphia, X-Rumble.com. You can get your tickets as a 2300 arena, beautiful arena. We're going to have a great night. Well, thank you. And also follow him on Instagram. He's on Instagram. And my movie comes out this year. It's a horror movie. I'm very proud of that. And also, if you live in Tampa and want to buy a condo or a house, he's your guy. Very expensive one. Okay, please. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Bye.