Habits and Hustle - Episode 54: Dr. Oz – TV Personality, Cardiothoracic Surgeon and 8x-Best Selling Author

Episode Date: March 10, 2020

Dr. Oz television personality, cardiothoracic surgeon and 8x-best selling author. His career catapulted in 2004, as he became a regular guest on the Oprah Winfrey Show. This led to his current hit show, The Dr. Oz Show. In today’s episode, Dr. Oz talks about the latest health trends, how his wife saw pushed him to spread his knowledge through the media platform, the importance of sleep, and so much more! We were thrilled to have Dr. Oz on Habits and Hustle! Youtube Link to this Episode Dr. Oz’s Website Dr. Oz’s Instagram ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Did you learn something from tuning in today? Please pay it forward and write us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts. 📧If you have feedback for the show, please email [e-mail]  📙Get yourself a copy of Jennifer Cohen’s newest book from Habit Nest, Badass Body Goals Journal. ℹ️Habits & Hustle Website 📚Habit Nest Website 📱Follow Jennifer – Instagram – Facebook – Twitter – Jennifer’s Website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to the Habits and Hustle Podcast. A podcast that uncovers the rituals, unspoken habits, and mindsets of extraordinary people. A podcast powered by Habit Nest. Now here's your host, Jennifer Cohen. So like, I don't want, I hope I'm on a bearer, seeing you, but like, I remember being like a pre-teen almost, like maybe 12 or 13 when I first, when I first saw you on Oprah.

And I was like so smitten in love with you. Like everybody had like, you know, Brad Pitt crushes. I had the biggest crush on you because you were so good, you were so smart. But you're kind. And you brought on like, do you remember like a big chunk of fat? Yeah, the momentum. I mean, that show, interesting, the very, that momentum show was a very controversial one for me, because I didn't know if I wanted to go on the Oprah show and bring all these organs, how are they going to receive it?

But the story actually goes back a few months. My wife, remember the rising commercials with a bloodshot eyes? Yeah, of course. Those are my wife's eyes. So she understood entertainment. I had no desire to do media. I wasn't involved in television. I was just operating.

Right. Professor Columbia didn't do in surgery. And the Oprah show, I mean, my wife said, all the things you're talking about could have a much bigger impact if you just shared it with people around the country. Not just hiding it in Columbia. So I said, well, what do you have in mind? So she produced a show called Second Opinion. I needed to have a big name guest to launch that show.

It's on Discovery Channel. So I invited Oprah. And Gail King was a complete angel who I knew socially called Oprah on my behalf and said, Oprah, this guy's on the something, we know it's small time, just do me a favor. And after a photo shoot, just sit for five minutes, we'll talk to him. That's not what they did. But it ended up being an hour and a half that we talked. And it was the whole first show.

And when people magazine wrote about that episode, her producer saw it and said, can you come back and recreate it for us? So I remember getting my nice suit on, but grabbing a pair of cotton scrubs because I don't get my suit dirty. This is my Eva, I am about the Oprah show. So I show up as Chicago, I had a letter from Oprah saying that these organs were for her show that I wasn't Jeffrey Dahmer bringing bones and skulls and things in the security. And when I went on, I changed into scrubs, not because it was, you know, in a kind of outfit.

I just did a literally keep my clothes clean. I don't want to get them dirty. And I don't get emphasize it because my naivete at the time was unmatched. That's, it worked. It worked. But like, did you ever think in a million years it would ever be as, you would, you would ever be where you are now today from that launch pad.

Like, Zero, it wasn't on my vision board never thought about it, but my wife did. And the smartest thing I've ever done in my life was to marry her 35 years ago. And from the get go, she believed that there needed to be a platform for health. Right. America wasn't getting the message because we weren't giving it to them. Right. And medicine generally was sustainable of media.

We didn't spend a lot of time talking to media. We wouldn't answer the phone it to them. Right. And medicine generally was sustainable of media. We didn't spend a lot of time talking to media. We wouldn't answer the phone when they called. Right. And it's a mistake because a lot of the simple realities of health are things that we all know.

We learn from a medical school. We don't get paid to tell people that stuff, like lose weight, your diabetes goes away usually. But we know it's true. And so to have people actually go out there and Sanjay Gupta does done this and Deepak Shroper in his

own way talking about mind body, doctors began to go out there and Sanjay Gupta does done this and Deepak Shropper in his own way talking about my body, doctors began to go out and talk about stuff and the reality is it's our civic responsibility. We don't think about this. When you take the Hippocratic oath or become a lawyer, any profession, you have to take an oath to always

protect the client, your patient. You have to uplift the field you're in. So you make sure the information keeps advancing. You've got to police the field so bad doctors don't get out there and do harm. But the fourth thing you have to uplift the field you're in. So you make sure the information keeps advancing. You've got to police the field so bad doctors don't get out there and do harm. But the fourth thing you have to do is honor your civic responsibility to speak up on things that matter. And doctors who used to sign declarations of independence no longer engaged in civic

responsibility so society is failed. And I think that's the ultimate reality that Oprah realized that she basically was a preacher. She had a deep wisdom gained years of turmoil and a lot of insights that she thought were saving. And she thought as an educator that she could bring people like me, like Dr. Phil, Nate Berkiss and a bunch of Rachel and other people that had domain expertise and let them shine thanks to her. And that's what that's what our university is.

It's true because she was really the one, the first people to kind of create these celebrities quote unquote experts, right? Where it became then a phenomenon to this day, like right now, like there's, it's now a whole thing, right? Wildness and I think fitness and health overall has become its own huge umbrella of influencers and everything else that comes with it. But at that time, there wasn't anybody. And I don't know why, but as you being a doctor, I mean, maybe there were other ones, I don't

know, but you were able to put things so in layman's terms in a way that resonated and hit for people who were just like normal, who didn't really understand. And like all the visuals and everything that how you did it just was so impactful, right? That you became, I feel like that when people first got that glimpse of you, you became like such a breakout star, like right away because of that. It was funny you say that. And I would call it the life magazine school of medicine.

Because I'm very visual. And small surgeons are tactile. We touch things, we remember them. But I remember probably halfway through my 70 or 80 shows with Oprah, she asked me if it had happened yet. And I said, it has what happened yet. She says, you know, when you walk down the street, people ask you questions. And it was starting to happen.

And I thought that was just, you know, sort of strange, right? I never really processed it. I've been walking questions. Right. And it was starting to happen. And I thought that was just, you know, sort of strange, right? I never really processed it. I've been walking here. Right. We're at the Super Bowl, so I'm, you know, walk down the street because it's faster than trying to drive. Right.

I should tell people, I'm with Dr. Oz, by the way, at the Super Bowl, at the SLS hotel, I was just so excited, I went right into it. Where you're actually, you're a good barcaster because you pay attention to the answers, which is always the number one thing I always focus when I try to get people to be good at interviewing. It's not about sophisticated sexy questions about listening. That's exactly true, being curious and being actually interested. So walking here, people ask me questions, which I'm honored by because I tortured my teachers

to learn this stuff. Wow. But if you actually listen to them for 10 seconds, people feel so validated. And they actually know that you care, even if you don't have a good answer for them, because I can't answer your happy question. I don't have the answers for a lot of the challenging,

complex problems people face. Sometimes it's easy, you know? I have good answers for constipation and hemorrhoids. I'm a good staff at thousands of questions I can ask you. But sometimes you're going through chemotherapy and it's not working. What you really need is hope. And not false hope, real hope, but that often comes from being hurt. And so those insights have elevated me a lot.

And I know that as a physician, I was pretty good at diagnosing drugs. I was probably doing the most heart surgery in New York when I was at the prime of my career. But I never really learned to hear the emotions that people were expressing to me. And when people have emotional issues, you can't fix that without really processing them and understanding them. My producers would joke early in my TV career. They'd put in the prompter, your guest is crying, ask her why. They would actually put that there.

Because doctors, of course, because doctors don't't have typically not great bad side manner, right? Like especially the ones who are like super, super good. Like you went to Harvard, right? And also, don't you have an MBA too? I do. So I remember this, not even from like now research, but like when I was 14, right? No, it's like, but you were like, you went, you had Columbia, you had an MBA from art, was a Harvard, you had the MBA from art. So I went to college, played football at Harvard.

You played football at Harvard, oh, I missed that. One of the reasons that I like coming to Super Bowls, I actually enjoy the game a lot, still to, you know, I, my, my son played. So I, we can talk about head injuries later on because they may come up as an issue. But then I went to Penn Med School and Wharton Business School at the same time. Because I was interested in healthcare policy. I was never going to go into business, but I knew that medicine could only run if the money was in medicine. I run it.

So I studied that and I went to Columbia. In fact, it's ironic. I get my board examinations. You take this exam to become a board certified doctor. They asked me to identify in the right order the oldest college, the oldest medical school, and the oldest residency, the oldest surgical program. And I went to all three. Really? That's amazing.

And it's a pure coincidence. I never processed it till then. But being on these coasts where so many doctors are trained, you're at the fountain. This is where we come out. And I was president of our student body when I was in med school. And part of the reason I took that position is we didn't have a nutrition class. They never taught us, except for Barry Barry and Quasher Corps, which has severe deficiencies of B vitamin that you find in Africa.

Wow. They're actually nutritional deficiencies right here in America, like magnesium and vitamin date. Elmins that actually are problematic for people. Right. Again, no one was telling it to the audience. And America, I think, and this is a credit to the country. We have gotten pretty smart over the last decade.

Because of you. Well, it's not just, I wish it was. It was, I think it was. But I think I was part of the puzzle. The movement. The movement. But most of it was, I believe, a wonderful concessions of first people feeling confident. They don't have to listen to everything that the doctor says.

Right. Because we don't know all the answers. And the more doctor comes to the Latin teacher. And if we're teaching you, then you need to be a good student. True, but you also did was you brought in other alternative medical things. You weren't so specific on the medical, like you thought, I remember, you would always give these things until this day about, like you were just saying now, magnesium or all these other things that were, those are an alternative, but things that are not so like cut it out, like just basically go to a doctor, take an antibiotic

or cut out the, whatever it is, you always would give alternatives, which I feel like is what kind of gave people some hope, and also it kind of normalized things a little bit. It's the globalization of medicine. Am I goodness there? Therapies that work in China for a billion and a half people, a billion people in India with Ayurvedic medicine. We have Sub-Saharan African remedies, you have Amazonian remedies. How can we possibly be so arrogant, ignore the wisdom they might be able to offer it

thus? Again, you had a 5,000 year old traditional Chinese medicine tradition. I mean, it would have died off if there was some benefit, right? Right. And the common elements are the same common elements everyone else has. I can't see if I have too much anxiety, I'm depressed, I've got menstrual pains, I've got headaches, I mean, these are problems, we don't have good solutions to an America. That's right.

So without whacking you with drugs and surgery all the time, healing with steel is how we say it. Healing with steel, yes. Yes, there are other ways of doing it. And the problem with some in medicine is that we work so hard to become doctors that it becomes a religion for us. And we sort of shut down to other ideas. And that arrogance is dangerous.

And there's a fine line between confidence and arrogance. I know what I'm a surgeon. I've got to be confident to take a knife and open your chest with a belief on helping you. At the same time, if it bleeds in the arrogance, I'll kill you. With thinking I can do things that are really aren't rational. And the same goes for my openness to alternative approaches. In fact, traditional medicine, the historical ways we heal ourselves, has always offered

us huge insights. So many of our treatments today come from these ideas, but many have fallen to this way that the wayside, because we trust science to answer all our questions. I say take science, apply to these therapies. And the meantime, that people vote with their own feelings, if it works for you, then tell me about it, so I'll share the wisdom. Do you believe in your own? Do you do acupuncture? Stuff like that. When do people use alternatives like an acupuncture, Chinese medicine, herbs, or whatever they have, or this muscle testing, or whatever? And I traveled the muscle testing or whatever.

So, and I traveled the world, my show is in over a hundred countries. So, I get to travel to a lot of these markets. So, you go to China, for example, which I first went to in 1992, but my dad, my father-in-law was operating there. And I would go to the clinic. Your father-in-law, you said your father-in-law. My wife's father. He's also a surgeon?

Yeah, he's a very famous heart surgeon. In fact, I was so bummed about this. I was playing trivia pursuit with him. And I lost because he's a very famous heart surgeon. In fact, I was so bummed about this, I was playing Troubley Pursuit with him. And I lost because he was the answer. No way. How many people lose to their relative was the answer of a Troubley Pursuit question. The question was Rolling Stone magazine dubbed this famous heart surgeon Rock Doc for being the first to play rock music in the OR.

That was a question. Jerry Lemoll was the answer. No way. I got it wrong. Anyway. So, when we go in there, you know, if you have a gunshot to the chest, please get a scapula and fix me. You were right. But suture.

But if you're complaining about rheumatism, I mean, why not try Moxibuster, acupuncture, or reflexology, or some of these ideas, some new, some old. You're not going to lose a lot of ground. Be rational about it. I don't want to give kids with cancer who are easily treatable with chemotherapy. A wasteful, but- Treat months of time or weeks of time. I don't want that.

I want you to do the best always, but sometimes the best is given a little bit of a wink to some of these alternative approaches. So personally, yes, I've used acupuncture and moxibustion to success. What's moxibustion? Is that? Moxibustin is they light a fire on a cup and then they put the cup on your body or these candles heat you up and they can actually, that's cupping. The candles are held close to your skin and heat your skin and they basically massage

your skin with the heat of the candle. And that's not cupping, that's the different things. They're cousins. They're cousins. They're both working similar fashions. They often do one and then the other right after it. But Michael Thelps used cupping, that's the different things. They're cousins. They both work in similar fashion. They often do one thing the other right after it. But Michael Thelps used cupping in the Olympics. Right, years ago, I've tried cupping too.

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Medical marijuana is hugely effective, I believe. We haven't proven it to the comfort level of a lot of docs, but as someone who's never gotten high, I can tell you a number of people. I ran into Montel Williams walking over here. That man, God bless him, Marine, couldn't walk when I first met him. I actually went down the interview him for the Oprah show when I was still with Oprah. And today he was walking on the street with no problems. He takes a dose of medical marijuana, doesn't get high every single day several times to keep him going. And he says he can live his life again.

Why wouldn't they want that for him? Wow. They hypocrisy that we would block a potentially safe and effective treatment like marijuana because we're too scared to treat it. Right. Because if historical biases about it is shameful and we should get past it. Now is it placebo, but do you think a lot of it is also the placebo or no, have you heard of no sebo?

Of course, did you? Yeah. You think it's going to do a harm and it does. Right, exactly. Or the opposite, right? Yeah, placebo is at one third of all positive outcomes or a placebo. Right. Which is not bad.

It means the mind has remarkable power to address some of your ailments, which you should treat. If you're hungry on a diet, the hunger lasts 10 minutes. Usually. It does. Yes, so initial hunger. I mean, eventually it gets louder and louder. You have to answer it.

But that first little pang that you feel when you get up in the morning, that's why we're fighting with Mark Walberg. I was going to send that whole fight online Mark Walsh. It's actually hilarious. I saw how you challenged him to like a push up competition even and like a whole thing. First of all, because he's old school, he worked, he started like two o'clock in the morning. That's right. Right. Work's at every two or three, I'm sorry, each every two or three hours. Work's out for like five hours combined a day and And you're like no breakfast, right?

You're doing intermittent fast. I do. Intermittent fasting just to explain it to everybody. Yeah. And it was the foundation of our system 20 plan this year, which is the, we have a new plan. I know, I got you. But so part of it is 20 steps to reduce your chance of illness by 20% and lose pounds.

So one of those 20 steps was intermittent fasting, which to me was not really controversial because there's so much data on it. Another big study came out this month again, reaffirming that intermittent fasting is much healthier for us. In addition, we focus better, and we have better resilience and endurance. So. You think that you think that's across the board for everybody? An average for everybody. Everyone's different, but on average, that's the truth. Now, here's how it works.

If you have dinner at 11 at night and fall asleep, right, you're going to be hungry in the morning because you're going to be with the drawing from the carbs you had for dinner. If you eat dinner at 7 or 8 and you feel a little bit empty when you go to sleep, but not hungry, while you're asleep, you'll go through a de-better box switch will flip and you'll be enter ketosis. When you wake up in the morning, you're not hungry anymore. So you can go for two, three hours. Right.

But in the petitive, all that, ask yourself, when you first wake up, you really want food. Or you only eating because you were told to eat, which why Mark feels so strong about having breakfast. It's habitual, like everything. It's habitual, right? So have a coffee, but have a coffee or a dark tea, a black tea, and just enjoy your morning. And then two, three hours later, when you're hungry, have breakfast.

I'm not against breakfast food. I actually like breakfast food, but don't have it when you first get up. That will extend the amount of time you're eating, I mean, not eating enough that you'll actually intermittent fasting. And here's the cool thing, if you eat the same number of calories over eight hours as you would eat over 17 hours, which is the average in America, you'll lose weight. Even though you're eating the same amount of calories. Yeah, the body does not metabolize it the same way.

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In general, of course, I believe in it because part of the reason that intermittent fasting leads to weight loss is because you don't eat that much when you're eating. Because it's a confined period of time, right? But in addition to that, there are discounts you get. I'll give you two of them. One is intermittent fasting because the body does not metabolize the same way over short period. The second are nuts.

You don't metabolize all the nuts that you eat. So a nut has nine calories per gram, and all fats do. But if I eat butter, all that butter gets into my body, I absorb it all, all those calories get into my blood. Nuts, 20% of the nut does not get digested because you didn't chew it all the way. This was just, this study was just done this month proving what we've been suspecting for a long time, which is people eat nuts don't gain weight. Because they're getting a 20% discount off all their calories.

Well, listen, if you're a 2000 calorie diet and you're going to a 20% discount, that means you really were a 1600 calorie diet. That's right. So without trying, you lose weight. That's why people who are not diets lose weight in every trial that I know of. And when you don't eat nuts, it actually leads to weight gain because simple carbohydrates go right to your bloodstream. The problem with nuts though, is that for me anyway, maybe I don't think I'm alone, is that you can never just eat the allotted amount. I always have 75 more pounds of nuts than I'm supposed to because they're addictive and

they're so, so it's like, you know, you put to have how much, like this much almonds, like a handful or like a palmful almonds. I don't find it that. Your brain is not measuring calories, it's measuring nutrients. And so if you give your brain nutrients, it'll stop you eventually. Yes, you're going to eat more than three almonds or six pretty good. Right. So we're at nine, I think it is. I mean, counting nuts is a painful and tragic habit. But then again, you look like a greyhound. So whatever you're doing, do. Thank you. But I think the nuts are something that your body will

tolerate much more than you believe. I don't eat five nuts. I don't count them. I fill my whole hand up with them and I eat them. But your brain will tell you pretty quickly that you've had enough nuts because you've got so many nutrients. They're basically plant eggs. Right. So stop pushing yourself. You're good to go.

It'll be fine. Whereas if you have a soft drink, in fact, the worst is a diet drink. Yeah. Because your brain knows you had something sweet, but it also knows you didn't get any calories. So it says, go back and find what you were trying to eat because you missed. Right. So that's why they say it's you were trying to eat because you missed. Right. So that's why they say it's better to have actually a coke than a diet coke.

Right? I mean, I'd have neither. Or neither, absolutely. I mean, I think Smartly Water is one of the most overlooked options we have in America. You can add, and also you can add like you can squeeze 11 in there or an orange or whatever it is. And for alcohol beverages, I don't know what your favorite is, but things like tequila are wonderful hacks because it's sort of sweet anyway because it's coming from agave and it's 66 calories

in ounce and you don't need to put a mixer in there, just, you know, little lime. That's exactly. I saw off you go. And that's why people who are in the fitness world and or people who are very conscientious about their calories will always go to a tequila. Yeah, I've noticed it. I, over and over again. And the woman in my life, all that's what they drink.

Plus, you don't get hangovers in tequila. Plus, you don't get hangovers in the killer. You don't get hangovers. Because it's clear alcohol. Exactly. So then how do people start, like, because I mean, intermittent fasting, it's been like, it's one of those trends right now that is obviously not just a trend, but like something that you think obviously works well. How do people get out of that mindset that they need to have breakfast and just try it,

right? Because I think, like you said, everything is habitual. So how do you break that habit and to start that new one? You can't get rid of a bad habit, you have to replace it. Right. Okay. So I tell people, get up in the morning, do what they've done in India for thousands of years.

A little bit of water with some lemon juice or some citrus fruit in there. Just adjust juice, you just want to, you don't want a lot of calories. And just check it out. If you have to have coffee with it an hour or two, you're addicted. Right. That's me. I have the water, then I have the, I also have the coffee. That's fine, but you just, every once in a while, every week or two.

So you just not go, don't go work out first. Don't have coffee. Just to make sure you're not addicted. Okay. And then after two hours, do what you want. Just start there. Just a two hour delay after you wake up until you have your, whatever you're going to do. A lot of people like my friends in the today show where I, you know, do a lot of medical advice. You're basically there every single day.

So I've had it and was kidding me about this, but they're wonderful people. I mean, what great energy in that show? And a couple of them, Carson and Savannah are in fasting. So they get up at 2.30 the morning. So yeah, that's a drink coffee. It's okay. Have some coffee. Even a little bit of cream will get away with it. It's okay. But after four or five hours, they get hungry. You don't need to fast out long. You, you, you, you, at the moment you get up to when you eat, you're not going to be two hours, just a little bit of a nudge. And then on the other side, at night, eat a little bit earlier. Like, I don't go out to dinner at 8.30. Because I can't finish with friends until 10.30.

Well, I'm going to go to bed at 11. Right. So there's no way I'm going to be able to have my intestines sleep while I'm sleeping, which means my night is restless. Right. If you really are thoughtful about it, you'll admit that's true for you too. It's almost impossible to sleep on a full stomach. No, I agree with you. So just move it up at an hour.

Have you dinner at 6.30? I think the problem becomes socialization, right? Because I'm Jewish, right? So everything I do in when I socialize is around food. Like when I'm eating my breakfast, I'm thinking about my lunch. And when'm eating my lunch, I'm like, hmm, what, I'm can't wait for dinner. Like, we, I love to eat and, you know, a lot of people do. It's so hard to break that, that habit, right? Especially when you think, it's like, it seems daunting, like, oh my god, forever, I'm going to have to do this. Like, there are friends of mine who do intermittent fasting

just between Monday and Friday, and it works for them. It's perfect. You get fast. Does that okay? Yeah, absolutely. And one thing about cultural food, I mean, my wife is, my wife is Italian. I've never seen this before. They literally go on vacation, they're literally applying the next meal at the meal we're

eating. Come with my family, that's a weird joke. So, all that stated, there's nothing healthier than having a good time with your family around the dinner table. Nothing. I don't want to ever ruin that. Part of the reason I like intermittent fasting, it doesn't take that away. So you don't have to have food with breakfast, you can have a little tea or something.

But lunch and dinner with everybody is just fine. And you don't have to be strict with you eat, enjoy it and be the person you want to be. Just shorten the number of hours that you torture your body with food. And that doesn't have to be a weekends because I don't think it makes sense when you try to be social. Do not do that this tonight. I will not be in a written fasting tonight. Okay, we'll ask her to know.

Okay, I'm glad to hear it. But to your day, your normal routine should not involve breakfast when you first wake up because you're probably forcing yourself under the belief that it's good for you. Exactly. That's where Mark Wahlberg and I disagree. And I'm not alone and I'm sure he's not alone, but I bet long term science, the weight

of science will end on my side. Well, the truth is that I mean, most people are not Mark Wahlberg, right? Most people don't have that discipline that he does, where they're working out at three o'clock in the morning for two hours, then having an entire chicken because he's an entire chicken, then works out again for another couple of hours. Most people can barely even get 30 minutes in, never mind five hours, right? So they shouldn't be comparing themselves to that. That's an extreme also, right?

Well, for the mere mortals. Right. For mere mortals. And I actually learned intermittent fasting from Hugh Jackman. Oh, really? Yeah, because you would have to gain and lose weight to play Wolverine. Well, yeah. His natural playing weight is not what he is in the movie on.

So you'd have to gain weight and lose it again. And he would use intermittent fasting, which he learned from folks out in Hollywood who were bodybuilders and weightlifters, trainers for movie stars, because they needed to get down to very little percentage body fat. So most of us aren't, that's not where we are. But turn that intermittent fasting was the best way to be social and do it always without having a big problem. Right.

And that's why I started doing it myself. And then I began to realize I see much better when I'm in and out in fasting. It had nothing to do with weight loss. Right. I mean, I mean, I mean, I see. There's other health benefits to it. Sure, make it more. I was more focused.

I had more endurance. I could get through the day better. Right. And then I began thinking, well, okay, well, you know, this is actually working pretty well. Let me add an extra hour in each end. It's been better. Now, I don't like going 16 hours without eating. I'm uncomfortable.

Right. But I can go 13, 14 hours and never have noticed that it happened. And I think that's where most Americans will settle out. But this is one of those things where it's worth the try. It will be surprised how easy it is. I think you're, I mean, listen, if all these things, all the different diet trends, I find that to be the easiest. Like the ketogenic one, I don't know what you feel about that one exactly.

I find that one very difficult because to be actually in ketosis is very, very difficult. Well, I become very irritable to be around. Well, yeah. My wife, I've been more so. So I don't like being in a bad mood. And the world turns a little bit gray when I'm ketotic. Yeah. So again, I can see it's really valuable for some people and it is incredibly impactful. If you've got a chronic illness, if you want to treat,

I just think anybody fasting gets you there in a much easier way. I like seeing the world in technical. Yes, only two, I agree. More from our guests, but first a few words from our sponsors. So it's probably been about four months or so that I've been literally obsessed with the game best fiends guys.

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Right. And melatonin is not really a sleeping hormone. It's a circadian rhythm hormone. But if your brain doesn't think it's nighttime, you won't fall asleep. So our ancestors, the sun would set, and we'd see those orange rays and messages to our brain that it just starts to create more melatonin. So we'll know it's nighttime, go to bed. So we want to allow that natural process to work for us, because sleep is the single most

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Right. So getting sleep back into your routine is incredibly helpful in many, many ways. Plus, I think it's linked to problems with focus, including ultimately things like Alzheimer's. Because your brain cells shrink a little bit and wash themselves when you're sleeping. And that function is erratic if you have insomnia, which is why people insomniate develop problems over time. How do you, like the, you know,

what do you think of neurofeedback? Have you heard of this whole thing about how you can like rewire your brain by you go get your brain mapped and then they can like tell if you have like whatever, like it may be like anxiety, OCD,, and then they can rewire your brain. I have, they do scans that identify energy consumption and electricity, so to speak, in the brain. I don't know how meticulous those scans are in diagnosing the issues

you have, but the idea that you can rewire your brain, I do believe is absolutely true. How you do it varies? They say they do it's a video game, but what I was going to say was they did this thing and they said, well, they test to see how deep you're sleeping. Well, you can test, you can also wear all that, you can find out how you sleep by doing a lot of different things. But it's funny how you can think you're in a REM sleep and a deep sleep, but you can actually be sleeping very poorly. Now if you don't think, if you're sleeping and if you think you're sleeping well, does

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And the cycling is important every 90 minutes or so, you cycle through, sleep stages 1, 2, 3, 4, then the REM sleep. So you cycle that same time period, but you spend more time in REM, which is dream sleep. So one of the first questions I ask people is you dream. Now a lot of listeners right now say, I know, I never dream. That's not normal. You're supposed to dream. That's gonna be me. I don't think I dream. If you don't dream, you're tired. And you're not having enough time in REM sleep. And so you, and that's a pretty common problem for a lot of folks. And sometimes the reason you're not sleeping well is because you awaken after onset of sleep,

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Right. So it's not good to use those from months and months on end, which is what many people get stuck doing. How do you sleep? Because you work, what time do you wake up in the morning? I get up at 6. I go to bed at 10.30 11.

I'm a pretty good sleeper. And the weekend is I don't sit in the alarm and I'll sleep a half hour longer than you usually. I try to wake up at the same time every day. I work out first thing when I get up when I have time. What kind of workouts do you do? So I don't do what Mark Warberg dance, but I used to. No, really?

I get it on an elliptical. I usually get on a treadmill, but my knees are, it's easier for me to exercise every day if I get it on an elliptical. And then I always break for 10% of the time and do some pretty strenuous weight work. So I'll do pull ups, sit ups, push ups, curls, just weight work. And for a minute or two, so I spend probably 15, 20% of my time doing muscle work, then

80% cardiovascular. So then how long would you time wise? How much cardio? All together an hour? All together an hour with, let's say, 45 minutes of cardio and 15 minutes of weight lifting. So you do the elliptical and you do weights basically, or strength training.

Yes, and then whenever I can, I try to beat somebody. Right, right. I rather play sports, because I do get, you know, like everybody else, I'd rather be out there playing with some things. And by the way, I watch videos of things I need to watch while I'm exercising.

All right. Or listen to podcasts or whatever. There's the podcasts. Yes, podcasts are actually very popular on a household for all of this resistance. Yes, obvious reasons. And I podcast are actually very popular in a household for obviously reasons. Yes, obvious reasons. And I love them and they get huge, huge variety. But I listen or watch or do something.

Right. And then at the weekends, I'll try to play basketball or tennis or something where someone, I can watch someone and try to figure out what's their weaknesses and go after them. And go after them. Like a Mark Wahlberg. For example. For example, right?

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It's called biolight. They sent me and they just bunch of other companies. But they send you a panel of red light. It has a switch, red light, and it also has near infrared. You stand in front of it for 10 minutes on one side and you stand on the other side for 10 minutes or you can go into a bed, there are places like a different places that, you know,

these like high end spot, not spot, that's not the right word, but they're like, they're like wellness places. But they're not tanning beds, is it for red? No, they look like a tanning bed, but they're not. And the idea is that it's supposed to improve your immune system. It helps with your skin.

It helps with inflammation. It helps with all sorts of... I've never heard of them. I've never heard of them. I'm so happy I came to work today. No, I got a little bit. I talk about white light therapy because when you get up in the morning... White light?

No. But this is... White light therapy. Like sunlight, you mean? Well, it's mimics sunlight. If you live in a part of the light? Yes. No. But this is, but that white light is- It's some light, you mean? Well, it's mimic sunlight. If you live in a part of the country which doesn't have a lot

of light, if you draw a line between Los Angeles and Atlantic, if you live north of that line, you don't get enough light in the winter time. Right. So- Open Canada, trust me.

So when you get up in the morning, you want to actually see white light because it sets your circadian rhythm. Right. You don't have to stare in the light. You just have it in the room around you. And then I actually, in the evening. You just have it in the room around you.

And then I actually, in the evening, I have LED lights that are sort of red. So you don't see bright white light at night because that would turn off your melatonin secretion. Wow. Light is very toxic and very powerful, but I've never heard of red light therapies in treating. You have never.

I'm so surprised to hear this. This is great. I learned so. Oh, I'm so glad. Okay, I'm going to, yeah, I'll get you set up with something so you can try it. Well, since you mentioned Kenneth, I can bring this up. I adore traveling there. We spent so many vacations there. And I trained in Toronto for a while.

With Tyrone David, who's a very famous, international famous heart surgeon, just a magician. Really? And I loved it. And we got up the next month. I go up, I go all the time to Canada, I visit with some of your TV folks, the media is our host there. Oh right, so you do like a bunch of global CTV. All CTV, Marilyn Dennis show. Marilyn Dennis show, I've done that so much.

She's the best. She's the best. Do you know what he's like really funny? No one's been on my show. She has? Yes. When? It dragged her down here this past year. She's a really easy one. She's great though. She's been doing that show for like has? Yes. When? The dragger down here, this past year, she's a real angel. She's great though.

She's been doing that show for like 30 years. She's good at it. She's really good at it. I haven't even thought of that name for so many years. It's amazing that she's still even like kicking around over there. So you're a big Canadian fan. That's good to know. Actually, I really like Bill Shatner, William Shatner.

Of course. He's a proud Canadian. He's a very proud. So He's a very proud Canadian. So he got a part, he'll enjoy this. So he's, he's, he's grown up in Canada and he wants to be in theater. So he gets a role at the local playhouse. And so he comes home to his mom. He says, mom, I got a role, I got a role.

He's a teenager. This is Captain Kirk, right? Yeah, of course. So, he comes back, and his mom says, oh, good, what's the role? He says, I'm playing the Jewish husbandband and she said non-speaking role. I do appreciate that. It's so perfect. He and he's a Bill Shattner's Jewish. I don't even know he was Jewish. I have another Jewish joke and I can say it because I'm Jewish. Have you heard this one when the waiter comes up to the family sitting for dinner and the waiter goes up to the family and they say, is anything all right?

That's correct, I guess. That's perfect. It's not perfect. We always want to switch tables. It's to hold us too hot. It's always something. That's so far. You actually heard that joke.

Oh, damn. So, yeah, so, okay, so let's get back to you. So then, can you give me like a day in the life of what you do? So different. I know you wake up at 6, you work out for an hour, I got that far. What I'm taping shows I don't work out, because the show is actually physically grinding for me. So I did-

Do I did your show five years ago? You did? I did, and I was five months- No one told me. Well, no one knows, because I never never told anybody because there's no reason. I was after my book, I wrote Strong as a New Skinny and I was like, I think my second book. And they booked me on your show.

And I was about five months pregnant, but no one knew I was four and a half months pregnant. But no one knew I was pregnant. And I went on and I didn't say anything. And I did like a little fitness segment with you. We did like lunges and squat. Oh my goodness. I got to pull that.

It's hilarious. And I was like, my big dream come true to be on your show and then I had my baby and then I stopped traveling for a bit. But I loved, I just do the today show all the time. We got to have you back. I would love it because it was such a highlight. I'm telling you, I don'd have to gush again. It's like embarrassing, right?

But I was like, I was like so giddy to be on the show. But anyway, continue on. So I get up at six. Usually I'm in the city before seven. Wait, I go to the hospital one day a week. You still go to the hospital one? I saw I operate one day a week. Do you still have that partner, by the way,

Dr. Royzen? Yes, Mike Royzen is my husband. Yeah, he's so smart too. Oh my goodness. You wrote those books, you, right? Yeah, are you the owner's manual? Right. Royzen is like an encyclopedia.

I got rid of Wikipedia. Yeah, he's brilliant. The guy knows every answer that there's that no. So by seven o'clock, I'm either having a strips meeting for the show, they're about to tape, or I go to the hospital and round. And then, by... How about you still do that? Medicine is a calling,

and it is a beautiful field, and I would never get up. And also, I think it makes me better on the show that I have a connection with patients still, it reminds me that TV is TV, but then there's real people with real problems. Right. Exactly, real problems.

So then around 8.30, we finish the scripts, I go up and rehearse for an hour, and then by 9.30, I go back, the hardest thing I do all day along is at 9.30 hair and makeup. I don't know how you guys do this. It is really. I don't know. Well, for the guys out there, my goodness, they're packing at you.

They've been packed with that by ducks. Yes, exactly. They're slipping at you and clipping at you. And then they dress you up. They send you out of 10 o'clock. You look nice, so now that who dressed you for this? My wife. Oh, she did a beautiful job.

Thank you. Yeah, good job. We were, we came down from Palm Beach. Oh, we look dressed you for this? My wife. Oh, she did a beautiful job. Thank you. Yeah, good job. We were, we were, we came down from Palm Beach. Oh, we looked very Palm Beach, actually. Thank you. So anyway, I went off to, to destroy a 10 o'clock. I come down at 11, 32, I have a quick lunch, then I go to sleep.

I get a nap, I nap every day. You do nap every day, that's a big hack. I think that is so valuable. When you're tired and you need a little coffee or food, you get going, don't, those are not good fixes. Coffee, first of all, is a cheat. It withdraws money from your energy bank. Yeah.

It basically takes your energy and a credit card would and spends it. And at day to day, you're exhausted. So when I feel like I'm over, like, if I get tired, I'll eat because I'm exhausted. I'm just trying to keep my brain going. Just snap. It works for you. Unbelievably effective.

And you thought, where do you fall asleep in your office? Unbelievable effective. Where do you follow up to when you're off? I guess. I have a couch in my dressing room. I just lie down and I'm out for five, ten minutes. Everyone knows I'm gonna sleep then. I never over sleep. You don't go into a deep sleep.

It's a very life sleep. Again, ten minutes guys, you have ten minutes in your life for yourself. And I would argue you do, you just don't admit it. And millennials make the time and boomers don't. And they both bear to get together on this one because you absolutely spend those 10 minutes, 10 minutes, you'll spam because you won't overeat, you won't need more caffeine, you'll be more alert and you'll be more focused.

You know what's interesting, you know what, that's right now in New York actually. And I think maybe one now in LA, they have those pods now as becoming like another really big trend. Yeah. Where people can spend 25 bucks. I don't know what goes go home. And sleep in these little pods for 30 minutes. I've seen them, they have very effective.

I actually have, we have meditation in our team that we do in the evenings, and hopefully we'll do the same thing after the show's are gone. But I meditate usually in the evening before I go to bed, but in the middle of the day, I just want to get those five or 10 minutes of sleep. And then I feel completely recharged to do my, I do two shows a day when I'm taping.

That's why I can be down in Miami with you here. Right, well that's great. I'm going to have you here. And then the second show air tapes, the same thing rehearsed in tape and tape. And then afterwards we go over the next day shows. So it's a pretty rigorous day, but I'm walking all day along on the set as you know you're there. You're standing all day.

So then I'm pretty tired. So by 6., I'm done. I go home. I eat dinner usually when I'm right down the second show. I'll have an eat before I get home. Really? And if my wife's around, then she's made food, then I'll eat with her, but I'll try to get done by seven.

And that's it that we try to close the kitchen. And I do other things, keep busy. And I eat a lot. I mean, I eat a ton of food. I just try to eat it in that little window. So does that mean by the way that you do not drink coffee then at all? Or you just drink? I drink rarely coffee.

I don't normally do it when I'm taping shows I won't drink coffee. I'll drink, if I'm on a weekend having fun with friends, if I'm meeting up, I'll have coffee in the coffee shop because everyone else is having coffee in the coffee shop. But at home, I'll drink tea usually. Green tea or just? No, I'll have English breakfast tea in the morning. Okay. And then I, as a cardamom cinnamon blend that I drink and just because I like the taste of it, it's an herbal tea.

How about matcha? Do you believe it? Matcha, I love matcha. You just have to prepare matcha. I know, it's like a whole thing. I know, I don't want time for a Japanese tea party. Exactly. I mean, people are calling, I got texts coming in.

I'm busy like everybody else's, but I tell my kids this, I show it with your listenership, you have to work hard. Life is tough, but you want to work smart too. Otherwise, your hard work will be wasted. And you want both. And if you make some wise decisions and plan a little bit, you'll get there. Because if you fail you to plan is a bigger problem. You have to plan the failed end.

Well, this whole thing is about habits and routines, because I think that you need routines and structure and goals, or ways to set you from creating structure, it helps you from not making bad choices. That's how I feel. What is the purpose of life? The purpose of life to me is finding people who have gotten joy out of their

life's work and copy them. Right. Don't really like them. I really like them. Frankly, there are faith-based traditions are all based on that. Yeah. Right? You can start reading about, you know, start a madman even, you know, and through Exodus, and all the way up to Christ of the Testament.

It is basically about people who are able to find joy and then finding out what they did to get there and what didn't work for them. And it's that lessons, those deeper lessons that educate and form our decisions about religion. Well, why ignore those lessons in our day-to-day life. If our parents did a good job raising us, copy what they did. If they didn't copy someone else's parents did a good job. But try to emulate what success looked like.

It's the best way to play sports, be a heart surgeon, anything you do, television. I mean, everything I've done in my life, I have found people who are good at it and I copied them. Who do you copy? Who do you look up to besides,

I know you're gonna say Oprah, right? Because she taught me. Because she taught me. She taught you, right? And the fairest woman I've ever met. And even now, I call her when I

have quite concerns about a controversial guess. And she just has real deep insights. And she tells you the truth, which is nice. My father-law, the one I mentioned, the rock-dok. The rock-dok. And what I love more about dad is that he had an incredible career as a heart surgeon,

enough so they made it in a short period of pursuit as a teacher. But he never sacrificed his spiritual, the faith he had in his religion or his family. And so he was able to bring that all together. And that to me is the ultimate juggling. Right. Because, you know, we are continually being pulled in two directions. We want to be really special and good and the best and unique, which means you're not part of community.

You have to be separate, different from. At the same time, we want to be part of community, and the same is everybody else, and have that oxytocin secretion when we've gel with each other. Well, those are opposite desires, and both admirable. So which one do you do? You're not going to make one or the other. They both ascend to a point. You really can never stay on that point.

It's painful. So you're always going to be a little too much community, a little too much success. Right. And I realize where I am. I'm on this success line. I'm more des to be different and special and excelling than being in community, but I can't live with our

community. So I have to marry someone Lisa who's more about community. Right. Who balances that out? It propels me over the top. And she'll get me to the course correct when I've got too much ego going down about things that I'm so

proud that I accomplished. I'm giving myself a rotator cuff from popping myself on the back, right? So you want that balancing act. And the people that I admire the most, like my father-in-law, mother-in-law, have a very healthy, yin-yang relationship. Yeah. Well, they hit each other's buttons. And in my house believe me, we fight. I mean, I'll say it here because my wife's not here, but in my house, the prosecution never rests. I mean, I'm condemned that I'm stenchier with this small town in upstate New York. Yeah, I mean, I'm condemned and ostentia with the small town of state New York.

I know exactly what you're going to do. Where did your buffalo? I love it, I love it. But it's, I mean, so you have, so it's like yin and yang, so you find people who basically balance you out.

That's what I think too. Because if you have too much of one, it's very, very difficult. But when you, when you're on this like roller, not even a roll, you're on like a momentum driven, especially in your business, you're on like a, like a small men's driven, especially in your business, right? Like a lot of this momentum, I know of course not with the medical stuff, but all the TV

and the TV show and all that. It's very hard to kind of like take a breath and get that balance. How are you able, besides Lisa, right? How are you able, because when you're on that, like you said yourself, when you walked over here, you got stopped probably what, 10 times? Yeah, the good number, it's probably about that number. Maybe even more. How do you stay centered? And how do you like not, how do you stay grounded? Because how does that not go to someone's head?

Well, I'm blessed that I didn't come into notoriety until I was an adult. I mean, I was 40 years old, late 30s anyway, before anyone knew who I was. I could just be a heart surgeon and figure out life. Just a heart surgeon. I was saying on purpose, not being falsy modest. A heart surgery is tough, I was very proud, it's all I wanted to do in my life. I was laser focused on that, but no one cared that I was laser focused on that. I could walk down the street and people would just be normal to me.

So my ego was already formed, I sort of knew who I was. Yeah, there's a threat always that you're, the dopamine hit from someone saying, Dr. Oz, we'll get to your head. I've always said a couple of these first. It's just as easy to be kind as not. And it takes two seconds for me to say something nice to you as a respond to an answer to that question or pay attention to your question as it is to not. So that part to me isn't easy. I don't struggle with that.

The bigger issues, I'll start to make decisions that are arrogant. And in medicine, you'd make those decisions and you pay the ultimate price or your patience, though. So it's continue to reinforce to be careful about that. But the most important thing is

do not surround yourself with the S-people. The people I trust the most, so the pains and the neck that come at me. I mean, I have the, like a posse of women executives around me who take no prisoners, just hammering me mercilessly. Right, right. And I actually don't feel sorry for myself. I'm happy that they feel confident telling me the truth because what they're saying is

usually right. And I'll fight back if I disagree. Right. But I've learned that they have better instincts on a lot of these things than I do, so I better pay attention to what they're saying before I override them. And that's a, again, I learned that from people who are good at what they do. I'm copying success. That's why I was talking to young people. See, key to success, finish school sounds dumbass, right? No, not to me, it doesn't. Finish school, get a job, get married. Do those things. That includes-

Get married? Get married. So I, that includes us. So I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I learn about life from having the work to get things done and you're not always going to start the top. Right. Exactly. So you're going to actually figure stuff out and people are going to be mean to you and selling and task you with things you're not good enough. But ultimately if you're at the right place, you'll be elevated. And the reason I care about marriage or paramounting, I don't want to, you know, is that?

Care bonding, but such a climate thing to say. It is, but I much rather you get married because marriage is the only covenant you have with society that you elect to have. No one signs your birth certificate. I mean, they do, but not you don't. Right? They don't sign your own birth certificate. You don't sign your own death certificate. The covenant of marriage has always bonded humans together in a way that's tangible and

pretty solid. You can't just get out of a marriage without going through the painful experience of telling society I quit. Right. And sometimes it's the right thing to do. I'm not saying staying in a bad marriage, but I am saying that taking the leap and believing in marriage and what it represents to our community

is essential to successful human culture. And we should not ignore that without realizing the perils of it. It's my same argument for religion. I'm not gonna brow-beach you about believing in God. I'm gonna brow-beach you by the fact that faith itself has a value. It gives you a structure to build around. It helps you

crutch on problems when you're overwhelmed. It gives your kids something to focus on because you can't teach it all to them by yourself. And if you're arrogant enough to think that that's not important, then you may fall prey to a lot of the mistakes of people who have felt that way have

have got you know gone by the wayside. And these are just basic insights. It's not rocket science, but why not speak openly about it? No, you're right. My husband, like I said, were Jewish. And he wanted my kid, he's kosher. I'm like, I don't eat pork, but I'm not kosher, right? I'll eat like uncoshered chicken, let's say.

But for my kids, he wants them to eat only kosher. And I would bite about them all the time, like, well, I doesn't know I rather than eat organic or whatever. His whole thought process is you teach them at a young age, how to have discipline on something, and that will be the through line of their life. So if they know when they're with their friends,

they can't eat whatever it is because they're kosher, that's your teaching them, that piece of information. It's not about being kosher per se. The healthiest thing about what you just told me is that your kids are going to hear you guys talking about this. Absolutely. That is so valuable. And I respect his desire to be kosher.

I completely get why you're saying, well, that's a 2,000 year old deal, a 4,000 year old deal. By the way, I went to Turkey, in Turkey, I went to- Because you're Turkish, right? Yeah. I went to a place called Pat Belly Hill. It's the oldest human civilization since outheastern Turkey.

And it's right next to where Sarah met Abraham. Oh, really? So the birthplace of human religion is in a place that was 8,000 years older than when Sarah met Abraham. Yeah. And it reminds us of something special about these traditions. They didn't just, it's a lots of human effort to figure this stuff out. So do I know that kosher makes a difference?

No. Exactly. But I'm not going to throw kosher away when a lot of really smart people worked hard to figure it out. And I can defend it by saying, yeah, I don't need pork, it's got trick and osus and infections. And just what a coincidence is good for you. But that's not about that. It's not about that.

It's about the fact that a lot of really smart people thought hard about this and they thought it made sense. Don't throw it away without thinking twice about it. Right, exactly. There's an insight beyond just the superficial stuff. But you know, you didn't segment actually, which is really funny because I had this conversation with people a time, thinking of like and kosher, meat or food, about like, it was like artificial meat, right?

Cause the vegan, again, now it's all about the trend to like, you know, be, eat more plant-friendly food. But these vegan burgers, like these, I try to say, impossible burgers, beyond, but whatever they are, like, isn't it just better just to have an actual piece of protein than have all the additives and preserves?

If you look at these ingredients of these artificial meats or whatever you want to call them, there's 97 ingredients on them. So my philosophy is that- You were very politically correct on today. So vegans should eat vegetarian food. My wife is vegetarian. That's better for the planet, better for her. Meat eaters should eat less meat.

One of the crutches to get them to eat less meat is eating a processed meat, because it is processed. Right, it's all processed. Personally, I'd rather have a burger than one of those alternative patties, but they taste good enough that the average meat eater would eat them. And the biggest issue is the environment. Right, so it's more for the environment than it is for like health.

Well, no, for health purposes, there's less cholesterol. They don't cholesterol in these. And although they're saturated fat, and they're solving other things exactly. But so I don't think it's a health dish. I think like meat, it's

something you can put into your diet once in a while. It should not be the foundation. And I'm proud of the guys that impossible burgers and beyond burgers and all these companies. Because I think they're offering something that meat eaters can crutch on as they begin to eat less meat.

But we as a country and as they plan it, 90% of all the animals are alive, we're going to eat. Right, we got to cut that down. Manufactured meats help us do that, but they're not a health food. What's healthy is vegetables and fruits and speaking of that, if I don't leave Sue my wife, she didn't come down here, that wife I mentioned. Oh yeah, I was mentioning it. She will just take me out.

Oh really? I'm big time late. You're gonna go, okay, what time is it anyway? I can both wrap, okay, we're gonna wrap this up right now. How about that, okay? Okay, well we're done. I'll stick around yours. Okay, I think I'm all done.

I think I'm not think, I was gonna talk to you more about wellness fans, but we can, how about this, you promised you're gonna do this again with me. We'll do it again. Promise take care of my friend John Why's your okay? I promise I will we have a mutual friend so thank you so much doctor I was you know how to follow him to go follow him. He's amazing. It's the best best doctor in the country and in the world I love you. Thank you so much. Hope you enjoyed this episode. I'm Heather Monahan, host of Creating Confidence, a part of the YAP Media Network, the number one business and self-improvement podcast network. Okay, so I want to tell you a little bit about my show. We are all about elevating your confidence to its highest level ever

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