Habits and Hustle - Episode 56: Phil Catudal – Hollywood Celebrity Trainer, Author of “Just Your Type”, and Cancer survivor

Episode Date: March 24, 2020

Phil Catadul is a food and language-loving, serial entrepreneur. He is a Cancer survivor, a top MBA degree Honor’s graduate, and a NASM-CPT Hollywood Celebrity Trainer. He’s the author of Just Your Type, a book that helps anyone create an individualized workout that’s tailored to their body shape and composition. Paul believes working harder isn’t always the answer, but working smarter is. Phil talks about how the lack of motivation can be defeated by just “showing up”. With all the craziness going on in the world right now, this is a great episode to get you up and moving! Youtube Link to This Episode Phil’s Website Phil’s Instagram ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Did you learn something from tuning in today? Please pay it forward and write us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts. 📧If you have feedback for the show, please email [e-mail]  📙Get yourself a copy of Jennifer Cohen’s newest book from Habit Nest, Badass Body Goals Journal. ℹ️Habits & Hustle Website 📚Habit Nest Website 📱Follow Jennifer – Instagram – Facebook – Twitter – Jennifer’s Website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to the Habits and Hustle Podcast. A podcast that uncovers the rituals, unspoken habits, and mindsets of extraordinary people. A podcast powered by habit nest. Now here's your host, Jennifer Cohen. All right, so today on Habits and Hustle, we have another fellow fitness person, Phil Catchadal. I got your name.

I got your name. I here wrote a book called Just Your Type, which is a health and fitness book. The ultimate guy to eating and training right for your body. I like this book because number one, they had like very realistic expectations and goals. A lot of times now, especially with fitness, everything is like very fatty and it's like the most extreme thing. Yeah, that's so true.

And it's unrealistic. I think Instagram has really, it's been great for our careers and professions. It's also been terrible for the average people because they see these workouts or they see people that maybe got in the best shape for a photo shoot or a contest and they'll use that year round. But you can't sustain that or they're doing these crazy workouts. I do this workout and I do hit and they do that. The average person tries for a week. They burn out or they try doing these crazy workouts. I do this workout and I do hit and they do that. The average person tries for a week. They burn out or they try this crazy diet.

They burn out. And then they lose their motivation. They think, wow, that's for them, it's not for me. But it really is for everyone. It's finding your level. So that's exactly, I'm glad you got that out of the book. I did. Because a lot of people are like, oh, but you

can read this book as a complete beginner or as an advanced level athlete and find what you need in it. Well, I'm going to talk about that in a second, but I wanted to just touch upon what you just said about social media. I think that's a very good point because people do look at social media and they think, wow, that person's doing that. They're not even keeping, they don't realize that usually when this video, they're just doing that a lot of times that one movement, they're not like

sustaining that for a long period of time. They're either they've been doing it for a very long time or they're not, a lot of times the form is off. And it's a really sometimes, it can be a way to get injured really easily unless you're not following the people who really kind of know technique form and have like a background. Because basically any bozo can go and do a squat

and do it a little bit off. And then someone's following them. Yeah, and another thing, a lot of these people, they look great and maybe what they're doing works for them. But then they're preaching it without any certification, without any background, anything. And just because it works for you, it doesn't work for everybody else.

Also some people's genetics, they got totally lucky. Maybe they're eating cheeseburgers and fries and look like that. I know people like that. Oh, 100%. I mean, most of these people are fitness models. Just because you said genetically, they look a certain way.

That doesn't mean it's because they're doing something that's making them look that way. Exactly. Yeah. And I think it's a very good point. I think it's, I always talk about that. I think it's really, really, has to be on the person who I take the ownership from themselves and be cognizant of who and why they're following that person and what what kind and like do

some background of research. I've had a lot of people I know who've been like seriously hurt from like following that or like you are saying to that it feels like it's so unattainable. Yeah. And then they don't do anything because they're like, well, I'm never going to look like that. Exactly. So why even bother? Yeah.

Admittedly, I'm not the best at Instagram. I don't really love it. I'm not. I just missed that age limit of where like it was part of my life. Yeah. Yeah. Being in my third is like, all the people 10 years younger are just crushing it on social media, but I try and make mine at least be me.

So I'll do a workout with my kids or I'll have them on my back or I'll show a clean day of eating and then, hey, guess what today I had cake and cheeseburgers? Like, you can be normal. Disney Plus just came out. So I have a video with me doing pull ups with Daniel Fischel from Boy Meets World

on my back. That's exciting. So I try and make it fun doing pull-ups with Daniel Fischel from Boy Meets War. Oh, I saw that. That's exciting. So I try to make it fun and then put in a tip and put in the thing. So the same person in real life me is Instagram me. So these people aren't like, well, you're a dick or you're totally different. They're like, oh, I get it. And then that way people aren't confused. I've met so many Instagram celebrities and a lot of them aren't what they seem. They're never. I mean, I was just like 89% of the time. Yeah, so I mean, I meet them all the time.

I want people to at least get that sense. Well, you know what's funny? You think you're ageed out of Instagram. I mean, that means I'm like a dinosaur on that thing because like you're only 30 years old or 31 years old. But there's a lot of pressure. Now there's also TikTok. Are you on TikTok?

No, but my kids are. Yeah, well yeah. And then I have to monitor because I'm like, I thought I was the tech dad. Now there's also TikTok. Are you on TikTok? No, but my kids are. Yeah, well yeah. And then I have to monitor because I thought I was the tech dad. I thought I was cool. Yeah. I'm not cool. Oh no.

Oh no, no, no. And then, can you imagine how uncool I am? My six-year-old found TikTok on my, no, it was what TikTok is. Found TikTok on my phone. I'm like, how does it? My six-year-old. No, what TikTok is. They can go in the store, search and do it.

It's so crazy. They're lip syncing. My community, who's talking? Who's this person? What is going on? I don't even get it to be honest, but it's blowing up. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's becoming like, you know what happened with Facebook, right? Like when your parents went on Facebook,

no one wanted to go on Facebook anymore. Yeah, that's why, no, we're not cool. Facebook, that you're not cool. Oh, Facebook's like, it's completely obsolete like for the kids now. And then because of that, now that's happening to Instagram a little bit, I find, because now people like my age are on Instagram

and doing really well, or like very much on their, probably a good couple hours a day if you kind of accumulate the time. That's true. So that means the younger generation is now like, fuck that, I'm going to TikTok. And it's going to keep on moving until. So other app and some, yeah.

Right, another platform, because people you know the young the youngsters don't want to be with the old people I don't blame them I wouldn't want to be on it with my mom's on it. Look at me. Well think about it like my mom's on Facebook right so it's like when I saw that myself it's just it's kind of it's kind of a human nature psychological thing even me I was like my mom's on here then like yeah then I can't post right Right, right, right, right. True. Well, anyway, so back to your book,

you did something in your book that I did actually. I wrote a lot about with my first book, No Jim Required, and that was Body Types. You did Ectomorphs, Endomorphs, Mesomorphs. So I want to talk to you about that because we're obviously very in line with our, how we kind of think about health or think about fitness because you're a big part of your book is about working out properly for the body type or like a hybrid of so. Yeah.

So kind of talk about that. Give us the, I kind of said a little bit, but talk about the body types and... So again, whether it's Instagram or reading the latest article a lot of people they'll find their idol whether it's a group in Gwenpaltrow or some guy who's jacked Michael her and Arnold Schwarzenegger whatever it is good to have these idols or people you look up to fitness or aesthetically but if they look nothing like you if they're a foot taller or they have totally different genetics or they have totally different bone structure. If you follow the thing that worked for them, why would you be surprised if it doesn't turn out the same way, right? There's this quoted tribute to Einstein. I

don't know if it's him, but he says, if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it'll think it's stupid, right? It's kind of the same thing. If you have a total different body type, and you're trying this crazy detox, vegan, super whatever diet and doing a hit workout and doing a bar class and doing this, and you also have a 9 to 5 job or you have kids or you have a life, it's probably not going to work out and you're going to think I'll never make it. If you work with your body type, you can get the abs, you can get the muscles, but you're starting at a different place.

Some people have a predominantly thicker bone structure or more body fat. Some people come with more muscle. Okay, so some have to do more cardio, some have to do more weight. So the booktryant helps you figure out where am I at now? So how do I get to where I want to go? As opposed to just saying, Hey, this looks cool. I'm going to do that. I'm failing with no comprehension of why. So I really want people to understand the why, so they know how and what to do instead of just, hey, my friend did it, I'll do it with her, I'll do it with him. Right, so then basically you're saying that you think a lot of it has to do with the genetics that you, that your, that God gave you, right?

And then basically creating a plan, a systematic plan, that maximizes your assets. Absolutely. Okay, so let's talk about the different body types. Yep. And what you would give us a very brief synopsis of what people should do for each body type. Got it. So there's an ectomorph, which is a leaner structure, kind of low in muscle and low in body fat.

So when I was 14, I was 5 foot 11. I grew one inch and I don't know what time span since and six feet now, but for 5 foot 11 and like 140 pounds. And I was working out for years and years working out with my brother and we had totally different structures. He's a mesomorph, so I'll get into them. I'm an ectomorph, so long, lean, lanky. These people can eat cheeseburgers and fries and everything. It just seems to not go anywhere. And at the same time, it's also hard to put on muscle. So kind of the grass is always greener.

People, I wish I could look like you and get skinny, but I was bust in my ass in the gym, my whole teenage hood, my adult life, to get a fraction of the size and muscles my brother or other friends had who were working out and drinking this and eating that. And I was like, I'm dedicated, why is this not happening? So I had to understand these body types.

So, ectomorphs of those people who just kind of look like, lanky beanpoles. And it doesn't matter how tall you are, you can be a shorter one. It's just your bone structure, your thinness, you're predominantly looking skinny. We're also very narrow.

Yeah, you're narrow, so. Your bones are very small. Yeah, like you have hips, right? Where it's kind of just like right in line with your shoulders. So some people have that pear shape, Your bones are very small. You have hips, right? It's kind of just like right in line with your shoulders. So some people have that pear shape. Their hip bones actually come out. Some people have broad shoulders.

You can change your muscle and your fat percentages. You can't change your bone structure. Absolutely not. So you have to work around that and you can't just shave it off. You can't just change where your bones are. It's not going to happen. So with the neck to the neck, the neck to the neck. So neck to the neck should be doing a lot,

when they start doing weight training, their muscles will pop because they have such a little body fat. Exactly. So it's gonna be visible a lot quicker, a lot more on the weight training and a lot less on the cardio. If you have a desire to do cardio

or if you want to have good heart health, do some pit workouts maybe once or twice a week, maybe some low intensity walking, but if you're jogging five plus miles a day and you already don't have body fat or muscle on you, you're sending hormonal signals to your body. Hey, I'm going to keep running. I want endurance and it's going to stay small. So it's not going to store fat. Okay, that's good, but it's also not going to build any muscle. So you're going to be skinny with no structure, with no form, with no shape. And a lot of people think, oh, I just have to run more, or eat less, and I'll have more abs. You actually have to lift more. If you're not too more, if you

got a lift, I agree. My best friend, who's actually here, she's like an actually super, super thin, just unbelievable. I mean, we have this argument back and forth because people think we look exactly the same. I'm like, no, I'm like the, I'm like the heavier version of her, okay? Because she's like very narrow and no matter like so she does a lot. So ever since she transferred her weight from doing a lot of cardio, remember you're doing tons of cardio, now she only does mostly weight and she's like ripped. I mean like it's unbelievable. But like me I could do the same thing and why I mean it would be total different. It does come exactly. I just I just look thicker.

I don't it doesn't it doesn't do the same effect because I'm more of a mezzanmore. Yes. So let's talk about what a mezzanmore of this. Yeah, so mezzanmore for those people who just come a little more compact, curvy and good ways, but just more muscular. If you're just standing there looking at yourself in the mirror, the predominant thought is, oh, that person's buff. So, guy or girl, even if you're untrained, even if you haven't necessarily worked out or been a gym person, you just

look sporty. I think not, you don't look buff. I think you look more athletic. Buff, guys want to think buff, buff scares women off. I'll give you that. I know I just know because I know I'm a mesomorph. And I don't look buff. In fact, actually, I say with a mesomorph, that's the trickiest body type, I think. Maybe you disagree with me because you have to be, I think that you can look either great, or if you, if your diet's not really good and on point,

you can kind of look frumpy if you're not careful. You know, like I think that happens to me. Like I have that fine line because you have muscle on you and you have not careful. You know, like, I think that happens to me. Like, I have that fine line because you have muscle on you and you have some curves. So it's like, you got to walk the fine line. That's my opinion. No, no, I do. I tend to agree with that both.

So I'm an ectomorph. And then my three other siblings are pure mesomorph. Mesomorph? My two sisters are very similar. They're like, we don't lift because we grow muscle so easily that they didn't want wanna be like stocky looking or they're like, are you a gymnast? And they're like, no, we're not gymnasts.

It's funny because some people wish they looked like they did. And they just came that way with like abs and arms and muscle. So they'll do more calisthenics, more plyometrics, so there's a lot of explosive stuff for lots of pushups, go for jogs, things like that. What kind of thing? What do you say? Like jogging, more cardio or hit or things like that. What kind of thing? Oh, which thing? Like jogging, more cardio or hit, or things like that.

They don't lift weights much because they generally just pack on the muscle. They look so dense and tight, which is fine if that's what you want, but they don't like that aesthetic. Right, right, right. And then if they do that, they're just like, oh, nothing fits. So it is a body type that's super responsive to what you want it to do. But if you do nothing to it, like you said, maybe like front be appearing or just like, it's kind of like, all right, so what are we?

Are we skinny? Are we big? Are we mussely? What are we? You know another example? I use this, I say this all the time. Britney Spears to me is a mezzan more. Because Britney Spears, like when she's on point, like when her diet's on, and she's doing the right stuff, she like just her body is amazing. Yeah, well do it when she just came back with the Vegas show and all of that Wow, and that's that she's always looked at what she was never like a stick You would never look at it, but she looks super in shape super athletic like like a stomach with abs, but not like

Not like exactly like yeah, she looks amazing and that's her being on point. She had a great trainer like a stomach with abs, but not like, she'd eat like Doritos and Cheetos. Her body didn't look, I mean, she still had the frame for it, but it wasn't as like taught as, and like tight or like as good as when she was much more cognizant. Yeah, that's very true. Oh, that's why. Okay, so then the third one. So third one is the endomorph. So that's the one that's pretty much the most curvacious of all. They have the best propensity for strength, explosiveness power, so think powerlifting, rugby players, football players. You'll think of them as being like thicker if you will, or more curvy, so maybe bigger butts, bigger boobs on chicks, whatever it is.

And a lot of people are just like, oh no, that means like I'll always have this fat or anything. But you can totally work around it or you can embrace your body and have it. But you have a ton of ability to work with that because you have a ton of muscle on your frame. There's just also body fat. So whereas the ectomorph is one end of the scale that's like, hey we got no muscle and no fat. Mezzo's in the middle and endos on the other end like, hey you got a bunch of both. So in a good way you got a bunch of both. So in a good way, you have a ton to work with. You can kind of whittle that shape, the easiest into what you want, but it takes the most

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Vitamin water, zero sugar, nourish every you. Vitamin water is a registered trademark of glass O. So I think the ectomorph is actually the easiest one to work on. Because, yeah, I guess if you want that aesthetic of looking lean. If you want to look lean and toned and fit, because like your muscles, I think you build muscle easiest, I thought, and then my...

As an acto? As an acto, because if you build when you build muscle, it pops, because you have no... The reason why people have a six pack is because they have nobody fat on their stomach. That's where they say abs or me in the kitchen, right? Because it's all dying. So true. So what I found in working with clients, I agree with you. It was easy for me, but I find

a lot of ectomorphs don't like lifting weights, and it's like hard to get them motivated, or they start like, oh, I'm so weak with the five pounds. Whereas I found with endomorphs, it takes more work, but they're already like, oh, I'm strong. I can lift 20s or this. So it's kind of like opposite ends. But if you do get an ectomorph to do the work,

then yes, it does come the quickest. Totally agree. Because that's all like mine step, really. That's not really about ability or the outcome. It's more about the mental aspect. Because if you find somebody's like, I don't want to do it, then yeah, of course it's not going to work. And that could be anybody type.

It could be under more of ectomorph, endo-ecto, whatever it is. Yeah, I agree. That's why I put a mental motivation chapter in the book And that could be any body type. It doesn't even. It could be endomorph, ectomorph, endo-ecto, whatever it is. Yeah, all the hybrids. That's why I put a mental motivation chapter in the book. It's like, okay, let's set a realistic goal. And if people want to have an idol, okay, but let's set an idol or an aesthetic that's in your body type.

Instead of being an endomorph with an ectomorph body type person celebrity goal or fitness trainer goal, find someone who's like, oh, they have the best version of my body type and they can have the abs and the figure and everything, but they're still gonna be a little curvier. You're not gonna look like Kira Knightley if you don't come looking like Kira Knightley. Right, that's what I'd say.

If you're like five, two, and you are a mezzan morph, then don't try to be just self, it's not gonna happen. And then you can grow nine inches and change your entire physiology. I train a client who started week three four weeks ago training with me He is the best cabs of any person I've ever looked at and they are not implants They just came that way and I'm like I trained for 12 years Yeah, and I have nothing on those yeah, and also like this like Bubble button everyone's just like looking at a thing

I don't care like about that so much, but I like, damn, I can squat four or five for reps and I got nothing on that guy. And so it's funny how things come that way. Oh, trust me. And you can change them, you can work out, you can isolate, you can do these things, but it's gonna be so much easier to work with what you already have than against nature.

No, that's exactly, I completely agree with that philosophy. But a lot of times I don't feel like people want to hear that, right? Because they want to glom onto whatever is like the fad thing that they should do and be like, okay, if I just do that or look at that girl and whatever guy or whatever it is on Instagram, like we were saying earlier, then that's what's going to happen. And I'm like, genetics is like, it's like such a like, I'm put you like Debbie down and I'm like, you know, like no one's to hear that it could be genetics. The easiest thing is the hardest thing.

Yeah. That's 100 percent. The easiest thing is the hardest thing, accepting this is who you are and what you must do. Oh, that means hard work and discipline and dedication. No, no, I want to do this like 15 minute of thing. I saw in the inflate magazine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then just do intermittent fasting and I wake up with abs, right? Absolutely. Every all day, everyone just asked me right now, do intermittent fasting and I wake up with abs right? Absolutely. Every all day everyone just asks me right now but

intermittent fasting in keto. Yeah. Thank you. Hey just read the book. Right. But be it's not magic. It's just a a tool and a variety of tools that all work if you do them. Right. Find which one you're best at doing. So let's talk about that. So let's talk about intermittent fasting and keto because like you, I get asked that question all the time and your outlook on that is, is that like it's just one thing you can be doing, right? Yeah. Do you do it? Intermittent fasting works for me, but when I say that statement, it's not because it's

magic, it's because I have, I pretty much go to bed at 11 p.m. every night. I'm up at 5. I start work at 6. I work 12 hours. I have three kids pretty much go to bed at 11 p.m. every night. I'm up at five, I start work at six, I work 12 hours, I have three kids, I have a life. So it's a very easy structure for me to fit in two meals and a snack between like 11 a.m. and seven p.m. And then in the morning I'm training clients straight from six a.m. to 11.

So I don't have time for breakfast anyways. So I'll have a coffee in the morning, and I'll start my day. So for me, it works, but on the weekends, I don't do it. I have breakfast with my kids. My wife makes something, we'll do whatever. So I kind of do intermittent fasting five days on, two days off on the weekends,

but because that works within my time schedule. Two or three or four years ago, when I was working here, or I was a consultant, and I was in grad school, I would have much different meal times, but I was counting my macros, counting my calories. So that's what matters. Are you burning more calories than you're taking in

if you wanna lose weight? Or are you taking in more calories if you wanna gain weight? And then are those calories good ones from protein for muscle, good carbs, good fats, things like that. So I try and educate my clients or people in the book about where is your food coming from, what do the numbers mean? And then what way do you want to play with the numbers? If you want to fast, cool. If you want to do keto, I'm a little strict on

that. I'm not a big proponent of keto. But we'll get into that. Well, tell me what. So aside from inconclusive data in terms of really, there's no studies show that it's better than any other diet if you're in a calorie deficit. Most people aren't going to do it right. They're cool. I can just eat a lot of fat and protein so they're not going to worry about where it's coming from. I have two clients who've had kidney stones from it before training with me from doing keto because it up to your uric acid and creatine and it's stressful on your kidney. Yeah. Are there ways to do it right? Yes.

But most people won't put in the time and effort. They're not gonna get blood tests every three months to see their levels. They're not gonna pee on the stick to see. Most people actually aren't even in ketosis. They just have a low carb diet and they're not low enough. So it's actually very hard to do a keto diet right. And if you're not doing it right, in my opinion,

you're angry, you're not getting results and you're risking your health without keto diet right. And if you're not doing it right, in my opinion, you're hangry, you're not getting results, and you're risking your health without doing it right. If you're doing it right, I'll do it for six to eight weeks at a time with clients if they have like a photo shoot or a movie or a wedding. Like, it's a tool for me, but it's not a lifestyle, unless you have maybe cancer diabetes or some condition, it's not a way to look good. I also think you're like, you said it's you a way to look good. I also think, like you said, you have to be so precise with some of these diets. And unless you have that precision,

it doesn't even, like, you don't even get the benefits. So, like, what happens is I think a lot of times, for my experience with people, that they try to do keto, or they're doing keto, but really what they're doing is like the Afken's diet, which is like a very high fat, high protein diet with low carbs, and they're not in ketosis at all. Because how many people are going to take the stick and do all that stuff? It is tough. And the reality is it's not unless

you do something properly a lot of times, like why put that extra effort and stress in something? What I mean is, why get stressed out about something like that, when there's other ways to get to that finish line that are easier for you and your lifestyle? People don't even know what keto is in terms of how it works. Most of your brain runs on glucose, runs on sugar, which comes from carbohydrates. But if you're not eating carbohydrates, our bodies are smart, like, hey, we have to live. So it starts this process, ketogen,

and it's just it turns ketones and body fat and fat that you consume dietary fat into sugar through ketosis, through these ketones, and then puts that sugar back through your bloodstream, back through your brain so you can be a functioning human. But it will only do that if there are no carbs in your system. So like you said, if you're in a low carb diet, if you're eating 40 or 50 carbs a day, which you can get just through fruits and veggies, it doesn't matter if you're not eating pasta

or grains or this, you're not in ketosis. So you're actually not eating the body fat. Your brain and body aren't converting to using fat for energy. So you're just in this limbo place where you're not even having the benefits of eating that fat, but you have brain fog and you're tired. So it's just, can it work? Yeah, but I've seen most people who do it fail on it, or it's worked short-term and then they transition back. So that's just, that's kind of how I use it. Right, short, because it's not, you're saying it's not really a lifestyle. Yeah, I know people can it was two, three years.

I'm like, whoa. See, that's something like, I mean, at least I think like you were saying that like with intermittent fasting, it could work if your lifestyle works for that. Yeah. And I mean, like, there's also different windows. So you're doing what's your window then if you could, if you could, I do a 16, eight. 16, okay.

So 16 fasted, eight hour window I eat. Okay, that's not, that's not that awful. No, right? No, some people do it with 18, six. I, okay. So 16 fasted, eight hour window I eat. Okay, that's not that awful. No, right? No, some people do with 18, six. I've seen 20 and four. I don't know how I get ever do that. The 24, those are told different diet. Yeah.

I think that's the name of that diet. There's a name of it. I don't know. There's a big people proponents of monomials, which is just like one huge meal. And then there's the anabolic diet. There's the thing, there's so many, I don't know, the 24's called. We had Gabby Rieson recently, and she was telling us about a friend of hers

who does this 24, this 20 hour thing. It's like, I mean, and even I think even her layer, who is like a machine, I don't even think he would do that diet. You know what I mean? It's hard to do that. I don't know, the discipline it would take. What's the name of it though? I'm kind of like, for example. I don't know, it's kind of take. What's the name of it though? I'm kind of like, for him to give me two.

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for here's how Monday to Sunday, like a full week of meal plans of diets, how to calculate your total daily energy expenditure, your basement of all the great. I go through what we call metabolism math to help you understand your body, what macros are. Okay, carbs and protein, one gram is four calories, but fat is nine.

So it doesn't mean fat makes you fatter, but it does contain more calories, more energy, so you have to eat less, right? Right. So kind of explain all these things, and then there is no exact way of like this body type will do better at this, but we go through both anecdotal studies with my clients, as well as what the research suggests to, so it's ectomorph, right? Yeah, give me a couple of points. You're burning more calories, you have a higher metabolic rate usually,

and also a lot of times they have something called neat, which is non-exercise active thermogenesis, so you got the tapers and you got the foot stompers. They can be burning up to 1,500 calories a day through non-exercise activity. So those are the people that just sit still like restless legs, and germ, all of these different things, a lot of those people are ectomorphs because

they have an overexcited adrenal system and CNS. They're nervous systems like no, no, no, no, that was me as a kid and I play drums. It made out it would make perfect sense. You could burn up to 1500 more calories. Yeah, and I also on the record and say like I am that annoying guy that eats hamburgers and french fries. I have cereal every day day, have a sandwich every day, and I have a six pack. I give that diet to net on my clients because they would, yeah.

But I know that, but I spent eight years trying to be a bodybuilder, and I could not ever get big. I'm like, I'm an in shape guy, I'm two of five, but I wanted to be 250, I wanted to be Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah, you're right. I was eating six, seven, eight thousand calories,

but I was working out, I was working,000 calories, but I was working out. I was working 12 hour days. I had a fastened appetism. At the highest, I ever got was 220. I had sleep apnea. My body hated me. My home would make me sleep on the couch like my body just couldn't handle that heaviness because I am an ectomorph.

It couldn't do that. I have a friend 250 with muscles, same height, and it suits him. It looks fine on him. So you come how you come, you can maximize your body, you can optimize your body, but you cannot be you. Right, so then tell me, so the ectomorph should be, basically you're saying the ectomorph can,

basically eat whatever they want. They can get away with more. I always recommend counting macros and like having a plan if you have fitness goals. But for them, like the five-meala day thing usually works the best because if you don't eat a lot, you're going to be hungry and you're going to be like sporadic. The brain fog or the distractions are going to be there. Whereas mesomorphs, I find they do really well on intermittent fasting.

Interesting. So, I've been wanting to try it and I should try it because it's a lot of clients research suggests that they're more not quite as insulin resistant as endomorse but they handle carbohydrates pretty well. So with a lot of my clients we do like a big carb meal before workouts. Then they have a really good like primed workout. We do a carb protein meal after the workout. And then maybe another protein fat healthy meal. And that's in a six or eight hour window. And they're like, I'm good, I feel good.

And endomorphs pretty similar, but a little more strict on the carbs. They're the most prone to whole body fat. So I do reduce. I never do full keto, but a little lower carb for endomorphs. So for an endomorph lower carb, still inter, you use the jazz. Lower carbs and more cardio. Yeah. Again, not keto. So for an endomorp, lower carb? Still, you suggest- Lower carb and more cardio. Yeah. Again, not keto.

I'm not a restrictor. No, no, intermittent fasting. You say it, you say it, you say it's hot. You've seen a lot of clients do well endomorps. Correct. Do well with the intermittent fasting. This summer, go to the movies. Projected on the side of a mountain.

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I did, yes. Okay. What did you think? So here's the thing. I have a ton of vegan friends and I tried being vegan for quite a while. I am a huge fan of ethical veganism. Like I think it's a beautiful notion to save animals and save the planets. The problem I had with the movie is that it's kind of propaganda-y.

In that not only does James Cameron and all these people have huge investments in plant-based stuff, and I do agree it is better for the planet and the animals. But from a scientific standpoint, a lot of the studies are doctored. There's this one thing where they show like, hey, they just had meals and we take it out of the meat eater and we take it the blood out of the vegan and look, this one's cloudy. But that's because it was high in fat and saturated fat. If they let it rest in a fasted state

or if the vegan had avocado, it would have been the same thing. So they show it very one-sidedly. And so you can do it. It's by itself. It's by Yeah. And so you can do it. It's by itself. You can do it. And you can be healthy. And I have tons of friends and clients I work with who do.

What I didn't like is it was like, this is objectively the best. And it will do this. I have lots of clients who were vegan for years, who I had say, hey, are you doing it for the animals? If you're doing it for the animals, I'll never say no. I'll help you do it better.

But if you're doing it for the animals, I'll never say no. I'll help you do it better But if you're doing it because banana girl on Instagram said it was gonna help you like fix your Candida or whatever So let's look at that Yeah, and I've had way more success stories of turning vegan or vegetarian people for health reasons Onto protein healthy veggies lentils rice blah blah blah then I have the reverse I have had some in the reverse who were like, I'm gonna go vegan. It's gonna happen. Can you help me? Yes, but the movie itself made it so like this or die that I find the vegans love it, but I find it detracts from their message because it's not scientific. It's more propaganda. Well, yeah, I find it interesting how they pick a few athletes, right, who were like world champions

because they were vegan. But for every single one of their vegan athletes that were just the best of the world, I can give you a hundred thousand that also eat animal protein. And like what Arnold have been Arnold if he had loved this whole life vegan. And also he's open about the fact he took steroids and he was 16. So like what about all the people that are natural vegan organic, but also juicing? I find that dichotomy hilarious. Right. Well, because I think everyone is basically, everyone's a dichotomy, right?

You know, you're gonna, you can smoke a pack a day, but you are still wearing the gym two and a half hours. Absolutely. You know, doing this and doing that. I mean, yeah, like, I, you know, I even even think about that because when Arnold was, what Arnold was really Arnold, right? like the, the best Mr. Olympia, he was eating animal protein. It's just now that he's 70 years old. He's, he's now, he's, he's now, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,

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everyone's gonna cause, right? I had cancers of kid, so I donate to Make a Wish Foundation. Homelessness is a thing that's always been close to my heart because in Montreal where it's so cold, like, people would die on the street. I know you're Canadian, like me. Yeah. And so, like, those are things I care about, but you can't do it all, right? So, I appreciate my friends who love the animals and save the animals, but I see some people like, fuck humans, we've destroyed this planet, we should all die all this, I'm like, okay, so we all just supposed to give up on life.

I mean, yeah. I mean, I understand the message, but also like, we have to live our lives. We can't hate everything everyone, and we should have to accept, let's do the best we can and not judge others who are maybe doing different or other good things. Different, yeah, different, really.

I mean, I also, like, in a movie, they had these people who were, these athletes, these football players who were then, like, eating now vegan. The one thing I will say again is when you have a professional chef making you meals, anything can taste delicious and yummy. And you get your proper mac root, you get your protein. Another, an issue that I thought of when I was watching say most people don't have a chef. No. And so, or a trainer or a nutritionist. Or a trainer or a nutritionist who's monitoring their stuff. And again, it's like too

much like a lot, like a little information is harmful because people like, okay, then I'll become vegan. And then what they'll do is harmful because people are like, okay, then I'll become vegan. And then what they'll do is they'll overload on carbs, fats, not get enough protein, because they don't have the proper nutrition dietary information that's, you know, and then they'll have other health issues. So like, yeah, when you're a professional athlete or a world champion, you have a whole team

of people working with you. Damn, right, you're gonna be able to like, you can do anything and you're getting blood tests to monitor, you're doing healthy. Right. And that, like, you just summarize the elevator which pitch of my book, Just Your Type, is how do you become your own trainer and nutritionist?

And I wrote this book for Mass America because they don't have money to get a couple hundred book in our trainer and nutritionist, to let alone if they have insurance to go say, hey, are my blood results okay, are my hormones okay? So here's, hey, how do I figure out what type of body I have and what things I'm most likely to encounter both on the pros and cons. Here are the strengths of my body. It makes you feel proud to be who you are. Here are the weaknesses. Oh, okay, maybe I need a little less

carbs, a little more cardio. So when you know what you're working with, the element of the unknown, the fear of the will this work has gone, it's, oh, this is going to work. I just have to put in the time now. Whereas with these diets and these movies, it's all shock and I'll like be scared into doing this or do this or else. And then people either just like, nah, I'm not even going to start. Or they try and it's so hard. They quit. They quit exactly because they feel defeated. Yeah. And then are we better off if we just have a bunch of people half doing everything? No, I tell my clients if I could give you the 100% best workout and diet, but it was so hard, you could never do it.

What good would that do? I give you something that's 85, 90% good, but you can keep it as a lifestyle, consistency and frequency, that trumps everything. If you can do mostly good every day, forever, that's way better than having a perfect day once a week in 6-80 days. Yeah, I totally agree. You got to be able to live it. 100%. I agree with you. So what kind of working out stuff?

So do you base your workouts with your clients based on the body type they have? Yeah, so based on the body type and then also based on the goal. So I have one guy this year who's like a super fortune 100 C level executive guy. He's lost 60 pounds and he's battling what are genetic predispissions to a certain type of cancer. So basically he went into the doctor, he's like, hey, we can't guarantee anything but your best chance

of being healthy, living long, and fighting off what may possibly become cancer is by doing these things. So he signed up with me two years ago, lost the way it did this, his blood test, they're amazing, he's off blood pressure, blood pressure and cholesterol medicine, like we've changed his life.

So that was working with his body type. He was an endomorph who had never trained and was just a workaholic traveling around the world and we're like, hey, look, you have all the money, you have all the fame, what's gonna happen if you're not, you die in five years. For what, if you're not healthy, right? So that was one version that I've had people

get ready for TV and they're pure ectomorphs and they're like, hey, in 12 weeks, I have to be killing some guy on a show and I'm an assassin woman. Okay. So we have to totally up her carbs, up her protein and take fat down, whereas she was doing a diet that her friends like, hey, do this like, what was that, do I know, do you know them? Sarah Shahi, she was the L word person of interest, Sidion, a hill on show time right now.

She had twins, she looked amazing, but she's like, I have to look like a badass. And within like three months of having twins, she had a six pack. She was squatting, like I was training her and Steve Howie, her husband, and they're like the most intense, super and shaped beautiful couple of her. It's like, you just watch them walk. But she was just doing like body weight workouts.

Right. And eating really clean but light. And I basically flip that all over. I'm like, you need to lift weights, you need to eat carbs and she's like, what? Right. And she did it a little more. No, and like, yes, and name your book Strong is the new skinny, right? Yeah.

That was her. I love feeling strong. She's like a beautiful petite little like maximum girl type and she's like, I'm still tiny, but she's like, I'm strong. Yeah. I could do pull-ups, I could squat, I could hold my babies, I got twins, I need one in each arm. So she loved it, but she hadn't done that for the 30 years, 35 years of her life before that.

I like that, because I think it's so much of it's mental though, right? I think when you are physically fit, you feel, when you feel fit or when you feel like you're strong, you mentally feel more confident. Everything, you're confident, you're happy, or you just get that extra little pep in your step, because you're strong. You mentally feel more. You're confident. Yeah, everything. You're confident. You're happy. Or you just get that extra little pep in your step. You're not achy.

You're not weak. You're not wondering if people are judging you. It's not even about judging me. I think it's more about the fact that you, why it's called the strongest in your skinny was, because I think it's good to have, when people have a goal that is attainable. Everyone could be strong. No matter who you are, that is attainable. Everyone could be strong.

No matter who you are, you have a goal. Everyone could be strong, but not everybody can be skinny. So why start with a place where you can feel? Yeah, I love that. I love that. You know, and that's, you know, that's how I feel. So, okay, we talked about all of that. Is there anything that, oh yeah, I want to go over some of your,

do you have three top exercises that everybody should do? Yeah, I think squats are critical. Okay. King of all exercises, a lot of people neglect them or they do them like super light, I'm gonna do 500 or a half squats, like a full range of motion, proper squat where you're doing it the right way, highly suggest a YouTube video, like what people think they can squat, the vast majority of people cannot squat. They're doing it wrong.

Right. So doing that and working up with weights, if you're doing like a hundred reps, if you're in a phase where you're trying to do that for some purpose, sure, but for the most part, my clients do 10 to 20 reps, weighted strong, you're working, your hip flexors, your glutes, your quads, your core,

everything, if you're squatting, you're like, you're working out your whole body, even though it's leg focused. I hear you. Also a huge fan of if you can do them pull-ups, I think pull-ups are badass for upper body. It's funny how kind of like the four minute mile, like everyone's like, oh, they'll never break it.

I remember just not even five years ago, like so many women are like, oh, guys do pull-ups. I have women friends that do 20 pull-ups, 25 pull-ups. Right. And once people started doing them and strong as the new skinny was out and people were feeling good about women being strong or musly and that it empowered it.

First of all, it's so fun to work with people who are like, oh, I can do these things or a Jesse Graff and American Ninja Warrior. Like all of these amazing people I know and it's so fun to just see. It's practice strength. Take the place of the aesthetic of smoking cigarettes and eating a can of tuna. Absolutely.

It makes me so happy because I have two little girls and like the last thing I would want is the things that my sisters and friends and people grew up with in the 80s, 90s and these notions of what was beautiful or what was. Oh yeah. What was. Oh yeah. And we've come so far. We have a lot to go, but I'm super happy that fitness,

as much as it will always be aesthetic and sexy, is also very accepted now as being functional, mental health, like working out to not be depressed, for anxiety. For half of my clients, I'd say I'm their therapist in terms of they just come and tell me shit, and work out, and they're like, this checks all my boxes. Yeah.

And I love to be that, and then also it helps me share with them. Well, yeah, I also think that, yeah, I think for a lot of times, even with me, I know I'm just, well, a lot of times I'm working out not for my physical, you know, aesthetic is more for my mental clarity. Yeah, like, discrepancy, whatever. You know, because it clears your mind and it makes you more energetic and makes you more productive.

Yeah. Would you tell, how do you answer when people say, like, I'm not motivated, how do I get motivated, even start, would you? Yeah, I mean, that is a big one. Usually I just tell people that, look, I'm gonna hold your hand for two weeks. I will check in, I will email, I will text,

I will call, I need you to show up. And if they don't show up, then I'll look, I'll do what it takes because I know that if I can get people in for two weeks, then they're good. And study show that it's about two weeks to make happen, but I find that with clients like if they can endure the first two weeks where they're like sore or unmotivated or they feel scared. After that, they start to their body progresses, everything starts to happen. So I really, I try and make them understand that they're accountable. Like you have to show up, you have to do the work, or sometimes like, Hey, I'm running late. I'll only have 40 minutes tomorrow. I have 30 minutes tomorrow. Okay, show up. Like make the habit of showing up even if you don't have the 100% time.

I'm sure it was the hardest part of all of that, right? But how do you tell people when they're like listening to this or at home and they want to start something they haven't like, they're just not motivated? How do they don't have you holding their hand for two weeks, what is the regular person Jo do? So I'm a huge fan of visualization and I have this chapter in the book explaining it about creating a visual goal and running towards what you want instead of running away from what you don't want.

So if someone comes to me and they say, I just don't want to be depressed, I don't want to be fat. I don't want to be tired any day. I don't want to be this. I don't want to be like, okay, cool. Well, we've eliminated what you don't want to be, but there's literally an infinite amount of possibilities of what you could be. So I kind of think of negative goals aren't even goals. Not wanting something is not wanting something, right? So I make them think, what do you want? Like picture that body type you want or picture looking this way on your wedding day or picture looking this way. So I make them think what do you want like picture that body type you want or picture looking this way on your wedding day or picture Looking this way, so I make them create a goal and like run towards it This is what you want what's it gonna feel like when you get there? Okay, then I'll outline this is what it's gonna take and take away the fear of the unknown like this is what you want

This is how to get there. I promise I'll do my part. Like you can do this. You follow the steps in the book, if you're at home, if you're listening right now. If you do these things, it will work. You will get there. And then ultimately that motivation is like, if you can see it and you really want it and the steps are there, then it's totally on you

if you're gonna do it or not. But I think giving someone a plan and a goal makes it a lot more attainable because they're not. They have a plan. Yeah they know what to do. I can't do it for you but they have no excuse of not knowing what to do and they can picture it as big for me. Oh what do you do? What do your daily habits? It's called habits and not so like what do you do daily to kind of keep you on point? We know your schedule you get up you what about at 11 and not that. So try to go a bit of admittedly I am not as good sleeper as I preach,

because I'm so busy right now, but I'm kind of taking that on me because I'm in a phase where the book and the kids and life and work and like, I know I can't do it forever, but I'm maximizing my time right now. So I'll wake up at 5 and then kiss my wife, say I love you, we have this cute thing where I ask her if she'll marry me every day, so I never forget, at 5 and then kiss my wife say I love you. We have this cute thing where I ask her, if she'll marry me every day so I never forget. And I go check on my kids who are sound asleep. Go to work for six and then I work usually 6 a.m. till 6 p.m.

Some days straight no breaks 12 clients in a row. Wow, some days I get one hour here. When people call and cancel if they're running later, they're like, I'm so sorry, are you okay, and I do mean that but also like thank you I can eat lunch not standing up Well, and then I'll get home at six family dinner hang out Usually I'll try and fit in one of my workouts if someone cancels in the day or I have one or two clients who actually like to work out with me And then that's it's kind of fun for them

And also I'm like oh cool like I have motivation because otherwise. I'll just forget it like to work out with me and then that's it's kind of fun for them and also I'm like oh cool like I have motivation because otherwise I'll just forget it like to charge them even though they're working out with you to get your work out. I only do it if it's their choice so people will ask me to do it. Yeah, then I will. So I have two clients like that. I'm just teasing you anyway. No, no, but it's true because if not I would feel bad. I'm like cool. I'm you're paying me to work out. That's great. It's like a good it's not like a great model. Yeah, it's a long day. It's a long day I get back. Right now I'm kind of purposefully taking a break, just finished the book, finished some other media stuff and I'm like, okay, I need a decompress and not be a workaholic. So do family stuff at night, go to bed, like 11, I'll finish online plans, website, social

media. So it sounds like you should work a lot and you can work out not that much unless you have someone canceling. Basically, I mean. So what habits are there? I don't really hear much habit there. So it sounds like you work a lot and you work out not that much unless you have someone cancelling. Basically, I mean, so what habits are there? I don't really hear much habit there. My habit right now is more about like balance and keeping up. My diet is very clean other than like kid stuff on the weekends, but I built my body

and career for 12 years and it's a lot easier to maintain something than just to create something. Absolutely. Also, if I were a step counter training 12 people a day, my average is about 28,000 steps. So that's close to 20 miles of walking every day. Well, you're never sitting. You're constantly in motion. And I train some pretty strong people. So I'm putting on one, two, three, four hundred pounds on a bar, off a bar, lifting the

bar, showing a demo rep. So I'm probably getting in more than a full work out every day just showing 12 clients what to do. Sometimes I'll plank with them. Like you can do it. You can do it. I try and be active. So you know, my average day is probably three times more active than a person who's doing an hour workout anyways. Oh yeah. Absolutely. So I do try and fit it in. But yeah, I don't have a I don't have a competition or a photo shoot. So if I do, if I have a goal, then I'll make a plan around that. Right now, my personal plan is just maximizing my clients,

my career, and having time for my family with my kids are a little. But you work out really consistent like weight training, right? I love weight training. I rock climb every week. Also, huge activity. I bring my kids, my family. We rock climb every Saturday or Sunday.

Oh, beautiful. And that's huge. Like, three, four hours of your body, everything hurts. I love rock. I think you're right. I love it. It's like such a great full body exercise. So I highly recommend you.

I highly recommend you. Super fun. And if you're scared of first, like, do bouldering, you fall on the mat. I bring, I've probably brought about 10 of my clients at this point. Three of us signed up for memberships. We bring our kids.

It's super fun. It is super fun. I love the assault bike or other like hit training because I do have very little time. I try and do like 15, 20 minutes, super intense cardio, pull ups, push ups. I do body weight every day if I don't have time to like get a lift and I'll do like,

oh, every time I pass the chin up bar, I'll do like 10 reps for something. Like I make fun ways to keep it up, but I still probably get in like three weight lifting sessions a week, which is, you know, what most clients do anyways. So. Do you do splits?

How do you do it? I do splits. I like to do upper body. So I'll do like chest back day, leg shoulder day, and then arms abs day. And then if I have a bonus day, I'll do plyometric. I really like jumpy stuff. Yeah.

Ice skaters push ups with a clap or like pull ups, muscle ups, things like that. Box jumps, right now I'm trying to see how high I can get my vertical. So, so you can tell I'm at three, I'm at three. I was trying to keep it fun, but I do it with the hardest part of being so busy, being like a dad and family guy and work in the book and like I have all this stuff going and I say,

oh man, like I don't have time left for me. So I'm trying to fit those workouts and fun in. So I don't fall off. Right. Do you I'm trying to fit those workouts and fun in, so I don't fall off. Right. Do you believe in supplements? Do you take any supplements? Is there anything you can swear by?

I do and I don't in the fact that some of them work, but 90% of them are expensive pee. Most of them do nothing. Some of that, like protein, it's not magic, but I don't want to eat chicken breast or eggs or things all day. So I have a way protein and a plant-based protein, and's not magic, but I don't want to eat chicken breast or eggs or things all day. So I have a way protein and a plant-based protein, and I'll have a shake every day just because sometimes I don't have time to eat or I don't want to or things like that. So proteins is supplement. Vitamins, I do get my blood check regularly just to make sure health is good and also because I had cancer.

So if I see any vitamin deficiencies, I'll take that specific vitamin or zinc or magnesium because athletes are depleted instead of taking a multivitamin because most studies show they do nothing and also I eat so like full foods based that I'm getting everything in. I do take creatine and like pre-workouts if I'm having a day where I'm like so unmotivated. I got a lift and I'm tired and all this stuff. I don't think they're a staple, I don't think they're necessary, but what I tell people is if you're doing everything right

and everything's already great, they'll give you that last 5%. But if you're taking them to make you get somewhere, it's pointless. It's like taking a fat burner if you have to lose 50 pounds, not gonna do anything. If you've lost 45 and you need to last five, sure, let's do it safely, I'll help you out.

But doing it, the word is supplement, it's not foundation. It will help you if everything else is good, but it shouldn't be the basis of what you're doing. Yeah, I like that. I think I agree with you. As gonna say, I was gonna bring this up earlier, I didn't wanna interrupt you, but you had cancer when you were how old were you? I was three when he had leukemia when his diagnosed and I had it till I was going to bring this up earlier, I didn't want to interrupt you, but you had cancer when you were how old were you?

I was three when he had leukemia when his diagnosed and I had it till I was eight. Wow. And now you're obviously healthier than ever. Yeah, I mean, I think that's part of what set my whole family's mindset around health and everything. We were a healthy family and we ate super clean and grew up up in Forresty Lake, Canada and clean air and everything and some you know bad bad luck Just there was in a history and my family something happened who knows what and I think after that my whole family is like oh wow like

Life is crazy and predictable. It's crazy fragile I could be healthy one day and then like bald kid in kindergarten dying the next wow and so we just like you know It could still happen. We were super, my father passed away when I was 12 from a totally different cancer. And he was like Mr. Montreal, body builder, runner, healthy, totally natural, everything. And just, he was actually so healthy,

he had cancer for two years and didn't know because his body was fighting it. And then he went in the like, you have stage four ring cancer. Like, and he just didn't know because he thought, he was like, oh, man's man. He's just like, oh, I had a headache or what, you know, so I was like, very quick. So when he found, from the day he found out,

how long did he live for? They gave him three weeks, but he is a badass and he said, I'm gonna make it one year for every kid's last birthday. And he made all four and died the day after my sister's birthday. Wow, are you serious? That's a testament to sheer willpower.

That's unbelievable. All that to say, we did everything right, and you still don't know, but the best chance, like why would you take a chance? I tell my clients, you never know, life short, that's why I do the kid stuff for the cheesy things we talk about in this podcast, because like, you have no idea, we didn't know that was gonna happen. We didn't know their school shooting in Santa career like life is you want to look

Good and have all these plans, but at the end of the day You're not in control of anything so like if you're not happy you're doing it wrong. Yeah I think that's a good way to end it because I that's it's all true. I mean there's only so much of Vanity can only get you so far right like fun joy strong. It's fun to look good, but that's not life. That's accessory. It's exact. I'm going to say it's an accessory or it's a piece of life. It's your entire life. So it was really great to have you on. And it's so busy. And the book is called Just Your Type and Fill Cadoodle. I said your name correctly. Where do people find you? Do want to hear more about you, your story, or my social media everything is trained by Phil. So pretty easy trained by Phil.com, trained by Phil Instagram,

trained by Phil, whatever. I guess I got lucky there were no other fills in the space at the time. Yeah, you could look my name up but you probably will spell it wrong. So trained by Phil and then you can find me on the Google. On the Google. On the Google. On the Google. On the Google. On the Google. On the Google.

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You know, thank you. Pretty good, eh? Yeah, we have to get that in, right? Right. Fabian. Yeah. He lost me already, but bye guys. Bye. Hope you enjoyed this episode. I'm Heather Monahan, host of Creating Confidence, a part of the YAP Media Network, the number one business and self-improvement podcast network. Okay, so I want to tell you a little bit about my show. We are all about elevating your confidence

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