Habits and Hustle - Episode 73: Wallo 267 – Serving 20 years in prison to Speaker, Activist, Marketer, and Connector

Episode Date: July 21, 2020

Wallo 267 went from Serving 20 years in prison to be a Speaker, Activist, Marketer, and Connector. Navigating prison at 17, creating his “Book of Life” by asking new convicts to explain the outside world so he wouldn’t be lost when he got out, and sneaking in an iPod Touch to learn what Google is further using it to start an Instagram prepping for his wild success not even a year after his release at 37. Wallo 267 is the lifeblood of hustle. The definition of what it takes to succeed in the most extreme circumstances. Ever wonder what it takes? The resolve required to persevere and make a new life for yourself? Take your perspective, learn to love yourself, and don’t care what people think. He was in prison for 20 years and nothing’s slowing him down. What’s your excuse? Youtube Link to This Episode  Wallo’s Website Wallo’s Instagram ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Did you learn something from tuning in today? Please pay it forward and write us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts. 📧If you have feedback for the show, please email [e-mail]  📙Get yourself a copy of Jennifer Cohen’s newest book from Habit Nest, Badass Body Goals Journal. ℹ️Habits & Hustle Website 📚Habit Nest Website 📱Follow Jennifer – Instagram – Facebook – Twitter – Jennifer’s Website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the Habits and Hustle Podcast. A podcast that uncovers the rituals, unspoken habits, and mindsets of extraordinary people. A podcast powered by Habit Nest. Now, here's your host, Jennifer Cohen. Okay, so I have WALO 267 on the podcast today, but what is your title? Like, what do you know, Nats? I'm a connector. I connect people.

I connect people with ideas, things, and people. And I mean, people who, I mean, I was saying that everyone seems to be very fascinated by you. You were in jail for, how long were you in jail for? I was in jail for 20 years. I got sentenced to 19 to have the 55 years when I was 52 years. When I was 17 before then, I spent five years in and out of institutions as a juvenile. The 20 years when the 17 came out, 37.

I will do you now. I'm on 40 now. I've been out here three years. By the way, prison's been good to you because you look like you're 21. Thank you. Thank you. You were in jail for 20 years. Thank you. Thank you. You were you were in jail for 20 years 20 years for on robbery and two fire on violations. What did you do?

Arm robbery. Exactly. What is the robber's establishment and stuff? Like I go in there rob and get to see the manager telling me this money is short. Pass it over. I didn't ever. Well, you hurt people when you flash a gun. But I didn't physically hurt them as they would say, but I would just, you know, it was my thing. I got locked up for two on robberies. And you get 20 years for that? Well, and just like this, when you can't get proper representation,

you're doing things, you're messing up the property value, because you know, in certain areas, you know, the crime go up, bring the value. You know, life is not always fair. Sometimes it's gonna go, it could go many different ways. You know, but you know, it was a blessing for me, probably saved my life more than likely, you know. A lot of people that I know, they got killed. I'm still doing

life in jail. I was a type of person that growing up in the cities of America was impressionable. So, and in the ghetto, where did you grow up exactly? Philadelphia, North Philadelphia. And the ghetto is like, everybody has chasing attention. The tension is God in the ghetto. Like everybody is chasing attention. The tension is God in the ghetto. As you see attention is, everybody now, everybody is craving attention, but in the ghetto is attention is God in the way to get attention through things.

So I was trying to get things. That's why I was doing what I was doing. I was trying to get them things, you know, jury call all the stuff that make the women want me to get attention like, look at me. It's just looking at me thing. So in order to do that I had to Be down with the street culture, but I think really before that what really made me get into the streets was

You know, you know, I had family members in the street game but I even one time I got bullied when I was young I was in school, right and It was it was like it was this one guy you should see. And I used to be scared, little kid, I was scared. I was scared all the time when I seen him. And it was like, okay, I cannot stop this from happening. You don't mess with them guys over there. They're doing things is wrong.

As I'm saying, so I said, I only wait for me to put some protection on myself, coming up with that. I had brother family, but it still was like, you're in school, you're trying to figure things out, you're young. And that happened to a lot of kids even to the day. Everybody wanted to fortify themselves. And a lot of times people last shot people to do things because, you know, hurt people, hurt people.

And they might have been hurt before and then when nobody to see that they hurt and sometimes they think that people could see that, you know, they've been through in any case. But that's why people put this, this is just wall around themselves, you know, wherever relationships, wherever family issues, wherever molestation, all types of things, you know. So once I became married to the streets of Philadelphia. And you were a kid that you said you were in jail by 17? Yeah, yeah. No, but the first time I got arrested was June 30th, 1990. I was 11 years old, robbery in Philadelphia County. And then I got arrested a week after that, the beginning of the July, then September 19th, 1990, they sent me away for a year.

So I've been in the system my whole life. I spent more time on this planet and incarcerated than I did free. I spent five years in the juvenile system in 20 years in prison and I'm 40. Did they put you in the, I mean, at 17, I would imagine you could go back to juvenile, would you? No, they certified me as a adult because they said I did too many juvenile crimes. Oh my gosh.

So what kind of jail was it was at maximum security? Oh, in a tentry. It was, you know, when I was 17, you go, you wait and you turn 18, you know, they had you in certain blocks, but when I turn 18, you're in general population. And it's real, you know, people get stabbed, people get raped, it's real.

You know, luckily for me, I had people that was in position, family members knew, older cats, older real life convicts, doing life, don't know, so I was cool, and then I had homies, so it was cool for me, you know what I mean? And by that time, I hit the dependent tension, I was already a real live street person. It was like, you know the game, you go to jail,

get you a whack, you lay your life. What did you do for 20 years there? Well, I did a lot of stuff. But first I had to, before I started really tapping in, before I even got to the plane to place the change in my mind, so I had to understand where I was at. And I remember one time I was talking to an older prisoner and he told me,

you know, because I seen something that affected me. I go to him and I'm like, yo, man, the dude was stabbing the dude in the yard and it was, he was like, yeah, man, that's, you know, his regular life, he said, you gotta go insane and order to stay sane. So at that moment, he had a real conversation with me. So I said, okay, I had to go insane

in order to stay sane during my journey through prison because a sane mind can't see some like stabbed or can't hear about some like getting raped and take it like a nut now. Now, when I went insane, I was able to be in your seat by see some like stab and brush it off like, yeah, he must have did some dumb shit to some like and keep walking like you know, and don't think about it once I walk passing. So you know, there was a lot of things I learned and then I learned that you could be in jail and still be in the streets,

but still be having your criminal minds that, you know, crime goes on in jail. Drugs is in jail, things is in jail. So it was like- Is everything basically in jail, like a microcosm of life? Everything is in jail, the thing about jail, the one thing that I enjoyed the most about jail,

I know that sound real crazy, was that people who are prison are the only people on the planet earth that have unbelievably amount of time to rest their body, their mind, and their soul. Even though you might be in prison, might be a dark place. When you are in the free world, you get tired. You can't just go in your house and rest.

You got to work in prison. You go lay down, rest, work out, chill. You could. Isn't there a regimen like, give me a, what's the day in the life? And you can't sleep. No, no, like if you got a job, cool, if you don't like, you know, you get up, you stand for count early in the morning. What time do you wake up?

You know what I mean? I used to wake up like 430. Sometimes, you know, I work in the kitchen and all that, but you get up and if we count around 5 or 6 something, then it's in prison, you win. You do count, you go to child, you can do whatever you want to do from there. If you got to have the child, you know, they call school line or you might go to go to work. If you got one, if you ain't got a job, you can just lay it lay down all day.

So how does it that some people have a job and some don't isn't it mandatory? Everyone. No, it's not enough jobs, though. Okay. So that's not enough jobs. And you got some people like, I don't, you know, a lot of us in prison, we want to work because you need money to buy

chemistry, you get things right. But how does they pay you? They don't pay you much. No, 19 cents an hour to 42 cents in Pennsylvania. Wow. Yeah, hour. You, you, you know, and just like you might work in the kitchen, you might, you know, a kitchen is always the best place

for me because you get to eat. Yeah. You get to eat as much as you want. When everybody wouldn't work in the kitchen, doesn't that make sense? No, a lot of people don't. Because the kitchen is one of the places where it's, though, they know a lot of people want to work this so they give you a lot of attitude.

Sometimes the correctional offers get you real live attitude and it just be like, oh no, you know, so people get fired a lot. So like some people I ain't going down there. How did you get the job in the kitchen? You write M-made employment. You got to M-made employment offers where you'll write them in a scene or list the jobs wherever's a plummet janitor kitchen hospital

yard What did you do to get the job like before I just wrote a request letter? You ready you write a request request the staff. So why are they give it to you? Because you asked for it. Okay, but why didn't they give it to somebody else and stand? No, no, no, no, no, it ain't that safe safe. somebody else instead. No, no, no, no, no, it ain't that safe, safe, safe, uh, I go ask for a job. It might be 70 people in a list before me. When I come up, I pop up, I just ask for it. You didn't get it right away. No, I don't get it right away. Right. They, they, and he might call you like, listen, your name is up on a list. Do you want this? We got this open, this open and that. Oh, got you. Okay. You know, so, okay, so what

other, okay, so I got so many questions for you. Okay, so basically you get, they call you at five o'clock or three in the morning, you start, okay, then what happened? You could go to the yard and workout, or you could just chill in your cell all day, you know? What are they having the yard to workout? Is it like just like, no, it's all prisoner stuff. So it's like, it's basketball. No, it's weights basketball.

They give you, there's some weights. Yeah, it's weights basketball, volleyball, baseball, football. Is there a treadmill? No, they got them like in a gym But they got like a race track running track in the yard and you can just go out there and some people go out there Play chess some people do all types of stuff until what time and then what's the next thing like you can work out? Is there a schedule? Yeah, after your years like It's real simple. It's like breakfast lunch dinner. What time is breakfast?

Breakfast could be anywhere from seven something. Like seven something, you got breakfast, you got lunch, you got dinner, but in between that, you got three yards. If it's, if it's summertime, you got three yards, could the sun stay out longer? Night yard, you know what I'm saying? That'd be like a six o'clock, six to eight.

Oh, okay. But if you don't, in the winter time, you'll go to the night gym because you can't go out because it's dark. Right. There's a night gym. Sorry, there's a day gym. Get out.

No, no, no, they got a gym and just one gym in the, in the, in the, in the, in the country. And you know, you know, I don't know what that is. Oh, okay. Is there like a stationary bike like in the, they got them, they got them in the gym. They have cardio equipment. They got all that, they got them. They got them in the gym. They have cardio equipment at all. They got all that.

They got circuit training and all that stuff in general. It's like an equinox in there. Yeah. Do they have like, do people teach like boot camp classes? Or would now they don't teach that, but you got a lot of working out. Oh, okay. So then would you have case of might,

so you have breakfast between seven and eight or whatever. What do they serve for breakfast? Like, the trays to be like, it might give you some oatmeal, the oatmeal two pieces of toast and a piece of fruit. Okay. And you know, I had a thing where you get some coffee or something or a milk, that's it. And then what time is lunch?

Lunch can be anywhere from like 11 o'clock. You know, when you get lunch, it could be, it depends, like, a good day is, you know, they give you a slice of pizza, some cold slaw. You might get a slice of pizza, cold slaw, cold slaw, one, give you a piece of fruit or a piece of cake. I mean, they ain't even a lot, it's something simple.

It doesn't sound like it's that bad though. Like, when you see in the movies, you get like a piece of bread and water, you know what I mean? No, in America, prison in the media is sensationalized. It's so fake. Yeah, it sounds like most of these people in Hollywood, these screenwriters, they never, they didn't consult with somebody when they really was in prison when they was writing these movies. Right. It's so fake, you know? So it sounds to me that you're eating properly, like you're eating like not bad food.

Maybe it's not the most delicious, is it tasty? Do you like the food? It depends, some meals, like, you know, it depends on meals you like, like, my mom do. And they also have like an alternative, like, you got like always had like an alternative, like for people that don't eat me, like, car and burgers or whatever, you know? If like a vegan vegetarian object. Yeah, yeah, you got like always had like an alternative, like for, you know, for people that don't eat me, like, car and burgers or whatever, you know.

If like a vegan vegetarian option. Yeah, yeah. They got vegetarian items. They got the Jewish option. They got a lot of stuff. Oh, sure. Coach, yeah, they got coach, if you're Jewish, I'd give it to you by law. This is a movie. Okay, so, so between breakfast and lunch, you guys can work out. Okay, what else can you guys do if you don't want to work out? You can just read a book. Yeah, you could do anything. You could read a book. You got TV six LTVs on commissary. You got TV. So for me and myself, maybe we both got TVs and sell any got cable. This says like a resort. It doesn't sound like jail. No, it's not like it's not like a resort. I know

how people, like if you're a homeless person, right? Huh. I mean, I can see now why a homeless person wants to go to jail because it's being in jail and being a criminal sometimes is better than being a homeless person, being living on the street. No, homeless person, you gotta get a chance to get up tomorrow and change your life and do things.

If you and jail, you might get a chance for 15, 20 years. Right. That's true. But I'm saying like the lifestyle is like you're taking care of, so to speak. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but see, you might be taking care of, but you're penalized for the rest of your life.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, both, both. Like, you know, in America, you don't just, you know, you know how they say, you do the crime, you do the time. Mm-hmm. That's not how you go. You do the crime, you do the time for the rest of your life. Yeah.

Because you got to target on your back. And no matter what people say, oh, we believe in second chances. Rehabilitation ain't real and people don't believe in that. You know what I'm saying? When I'm all here doing, it's like unheard of. You know, you know, I know we're going to get to all of them. I mean, you know, although so then from there, you go to a lot dinner. And when do you guys have for dinner?

You might have, it depends, like, you know, it might have some, like a sourced berry steak, like, you know, like that, that, that. Like a minute steak, we do that. Like, you know, like microwave sourdough. Yeah, yeah. So it might be like a piece of sourced berry steak, and rice, some gravy, some bread, some string beans, and a piece of fruit,

or a piece of cake or something like that. You some saying? So then what do you do between lunch and dinner? So if you're working out in the morning, or what else other options you can work out? You got people that work out all day. You could be on the black plane, chess, you could sit in the cell, watch the TV shows.

Anything, you know? There's no other man, like no one, so in the movies, like you said, you see these parole officers who are like standing over you And they're like super super you tell us correctional officers. Yeah correctional officer sorry correctional officers I apologize And like you think there's like a structure like and people are super scared like you can get beaten up you can get killed How does that happen if it doesn't?

It happens it happened people you know, but like I I got to say, that movie shit is so fake. What time is bedtime? It depends on what jail you in, like, but the jail I was in, you lock up 845. It's over. That's when you lock up in yourself. So then how do you, I still can't believe it. I'm just speaking for Pennsylvania. I can't speak for the whole. No, I know what I can't believe is that you were in jail for 20 years for like for a robbery and there are other people who who get off on, like that's like, that's a very long.

What you got to understand is this, is it a little harder to understand if I did a crime. Did you get off on good behavior, by the way, or? No, no, really, you get parole, but that's another story. But like, if I do, if I do a crime, in a judge that sentence in me or go looking over or whatever the case might be, majority of the time, if you black and American, that judge don't even understand your experience. You don't understand what you were exposed to as a child. There's a lot of shit he just don't understand. So he's looking at you like, oh, you done this?

That. He's not saying, hold up. How did this become? How did this happen? What happened in his life that make him think that this was all right? What, what, what, what, and I'm thinking about it is like, you're getting out of here throw the book at it. You know what I mean?

So, so you got to understand it. You know what I mean? So you got to understand that. You know what I mean? And then when you in a position, you in a courtroom, where you don't know what's going on, you ain't got no money to pay for the top representation. You know what I'm saying? If you have money to pay for, you probably won't be doing what you're doing.

You know what I'm saying? Lori's calls her arm in the leg. You got the, you got the lawyer, the lawyer, your lawyer, then probably went to arm in the leg. You got the lawyer, the lawyer, your lawyer, then probably went to college with a judge or the judge's son, or it's a one big circus. And then the DA, you know, you used to be, you know, the judge used to be a DA, the DA,

it's just crazy, you know what I mean? So it's like, you know, that's why I tell people cause too much to be a criminal. It does. It costs way too much, you know what I mean? Or, you know, it's a crazy game. And also, like the, I would imagine that in jail, you would have to also be super lick and strategic

of who you align yourself with. One thing about jail is, jail have some of the most smartest people I've ever seen in my life, calculated, Cavalier, cunning, unbelievable, but you see that in corporate America too, so you don't, so I just operated in corporate America. I'm like, damn, this shit just like Jell, you know? But the thing about it is, you don't have to worry

about violence is all of the paperwork. It be paperwork, it be lawy, you know what I mean? It be, you know, it's real deep, it's real, you know what I mean? But it's like it's the part of the game we love the most. So then how did you navigate it? Like what was your experience now getting in? Like how did you navigate it? Were you like a?

You know the people who are like fault like not followers, but like they're like the leaders. Were you a leader in jail? No, like like like the way I operate in jail I didn't I didn't I didn't deal with a lot of people I deal with people But I deal with them on my time and when I'm saying on my time where it was like You know some people got people that they walked the yard with a day they always with that state But me I was the type of guy is I didn't had it. I had you know, some people got people that they walked the yard with a day, they always went that state. But me, I was the type of guy is, I didn't have that. I had, you know, and then the person I did walk with most of the time, he wasn't on my block. He's like a brother of mine, brother of mine now, but he wasn't on my cell block.

So sometimes we wouldn't be in the yard together. Different things. So we see each other, we see each other. I didn't want nobody to be connected to me in that way because in jail, you don't know when nobody into, you don't know who killed who on the streets, you don't know if somebody robbed myself. So it's best. Talk about it amongst yourself.

Like you say, hey, what did you do that you're in here? Did you kill somebody? No, people know. It's easy to find out you go to the computer and law lobby. Everybody know everybody stuff. And you people can go on Google there. And Wi-Fi? No, no, no.

They got like illegal, and the library is a legal computer, but like case law. Oh, yeah, like how the old days, how you can post them like case up, you know, stuff like that. Well, so you find out pretty quickly who's dangerous, I guess, so to speak, right? Yeah, you find out who's a pedophile,

who's a, you know, who's a rapist, you know, things happen sometimes. And there is like a hierarchy, right? Cause the pedophiles and rapists aren't they like the people that want to get, that people want to kill them first. Yeah, but see, in the hierarchy of, of the court system, they're like the lowest, they're not the highest, they're like the lowest.

They're not the highest, they're the lowest. For some reason in America, the court system give pedophile slaps on a hand. But if you sell some dope, you live in a ghetto, you pull up, you got a gun, you get in a thousand years, but you can touch a kid. So you know, it's real, it's real crazy. It's crazy, you be, yeah, I know in a thousand years, but you can touch a kid. So, you know, it's real, it's real crazy. It's crazy. You be, I know you've been shocked. You see a pedophile.

He only got what? How did he do that? He touched, he ruined somebody for their life. You know, because most of the time in them cases, they don't want, they get these guys plea deals and all that because they don't want the kid or whatever they had to get on the stand and really that month moment because in America, you got to write the face, your accuser. So if you say and I done something, you got to get on the stand and really that month moment. Because in America, you got to write the face your accuser. So if you say and I done something, you got to get on the stand and say what I've done. Now, so the A got to make a deal with the pedophile

because it's like, you don't want to put this child up here. I'm talking about that, you know? Yeah, again, right. So now it go from me, and what I did was totally wrong. Me robbing two places to him touching two kids and me getting 20 years and him getting maybe three. It was like, you damn saying it. Right, that was deep.

So it's a different justice system within the prison. So what I'm saying is that people want to, the prisoners want to kill those pedophiles pretty fast, because nobody likes a pedophile obviously or rapist. So then what who's who's like if someone's become if someone's in there for murder, right? Are they automatically a people scared of them more? No, you might have somebody that's in there for dope dealing. It might only be there for three years. They ain't no joke. And Jail was like, you don't know who's who. You don't know. You can't just say, oh, you got

murder you this or you got, no, it might be somebody that was, and if a DUI's, it might do something to you. It's not no, and I'm speaking from Pennsylvania aspect. Because you know, Pennsylvania is not like it's gangs and all this crazy stuff, especially not in Philly. Well, in Pittsburgh it's not in Philly. But you know, Philly is the largest population.

People from Philly is the most, the most in the population in the and in Pennsylvania. So I count. And so basically, did you so do you had a group of you you you kept yourself more or less? Most of the time, you know, I did a lot of reading. Did anyone beat you up? No, I never had to miss no one ever. You never had any issues. And prison, but you gotta understand is this. In prison, the respect level is to the sky, it's past the clock, up there in the air, God. Because it's like, I got to respect you. You're going to respect me because if something go wrong, everybody that you deal with and

anybody I deal with going to go to war, it can turn into a war in here. You know, violence always bring problems, you know, it makes the institution tighten up on the rules. It brings a lot of problems. But some problems you can't stop because somebody might have violated somebody's family member on the streets to kill. So, you know, it got to get dealt with. So is that normally how things kind of go down though is that because usually there's a history before they even get in there? You know, I can just- Or somebody might steal somebody out of something out of somebody's cell, some eye might owe somebody money.

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Why is the right stuff down? Because when people will come to prison, I had like this habit to tell me, but the girl is like, no, and myself is like a transitional cell where people that's in that stand alone, they might got to come here and go somewhere else, whatever, because-

What is it called transitional cell? Like someone, you know, you keep coming. And a, a train to cell, and what I was to do is, people coming here, you know, fresh out, fresh out of the streets, whatever, maybe it was a perrovaled later, was the first time, and I be, is the parole violators, the first time. And I just used to like interrogate them, ask them all these questions about real life

in the real world. Because when you're in prison, you're stuck in the time that don't exist no more. That was the time when you came in and you be on dinosaur time. A lot of people be trying to figure out why people come home and go back, they don't know nothing. Only they know it's hard to understand life.

You're like stuck in a time capsule and I was telling the guys of the day radio and I was like, I remember the first time I heard about Google. Guy was telling me and I'm like, I'm saying to myself like, hold up. You're trying to play with my intelligence. I don't even make no sense.

Because he told me, here you go, like, Google, he said, the thing about Google is like you're using it on your phone and you could type it in. He said, like, you could type your name up and stuff and come up. I said, well, I was stuff come up and I've been in jail all this time. What do you think I'm crazy? So I can even, I can even, you're in jail when Google came out.

Right? If I couldn't fan them, what are you talking about? So, so now I'm writing the stuff that I said is do thing. I'm slow, but I'm writing down. So in the book of life is a book that I had while I write all this stuff down. I write a bunch of stuff down dealing with life and things. People told me, or ideas or plans or that I had while I write all this stuff down. I write a bunch of stuff down dealing with life and things people told me are ideas of plans or quotes I had. The stuff about when I get out of jail,

things I wanna places I wanna go, things I wanna get. You know what I mean? People I wanna meet. And I wrote that down in the book of life. So what happened in 2013, associate of mine in prison, he came in my cell when they was like, yo, come here, I got something for you. Check this out.

He had an iPod touching the wireless hotspot. And that is where, that's when I came alive. You know, he let me see that. He's like, oh, you hold it overnight. So now I say, how do you get, he said, he showed me what Google was. So when I googled it and all this stuff,

and I seen my stuff, it was like, all right, put it like this, just imagine you're walking down the street and you just see a spaceship flying by, right? Like close and you like, oh shit. I was just so, it was like, it was so scary because it was like, oh man, oh, you know, and so now, so now now all this stuff I've

wrote down from magazines, dot coms and websites, you some saying understand this stuff. I was like, oh shit, this is amazing. You know, I'm looking at dad and I'm looking at all type of stuff. Uh, point I'm going anywhere, right? No, no, I'm, you know, I mean, I don't know. I want you to be honest. How did you even get the iPhone touch in there?

Is it allowed to have that? No, he didn't allow to have it. He got in there? Is he allowed to have that? No, he's allowed to have it. He got in there legally. Oh, okay. Was he the only person? No, he was one of the people. He was one of the people that had him.

But what happened with me is, I'm going to show you something funny. We're going to go to Google. Yeah, go to Google so you can show us. Well, what happened is, what happened with me is, I started selling. I got to connect and I started basically selling a communication in prison, legally. Wow. You know, I got with somebody to get them in there smuggling them in there for me, and

it was off to the races. So what, you were selling, you were selling, what were you selling? Well, let's, okay, let me see this. You go there. I just don't come down. You say you're selling telecommunication. Is that me? See right here, this article is right $5,000. You could, you could, you could earn that. Gratitude inmate. Oh, wait, wait, gratis for it. It made arrested for contraband. Oh my gosh. So you are a 34 year old inmate walless peoples

and charged him with possession of contraband in weapons or implement of escape. People were people was in possession of three cell phones, five chargers, five headsets, an iPod and a wireless hot, in a wireless hotspot. He was arraigned. And was bail was set for $5,000.

I can't make Bill because I was already in jail. You know what I'm saying? So I'm already in jail. So you're in you're again. I was in jail again. Yeah. You're in jail and they were gonna do my time doing it. Yeah. So what happened to you then? The rest you throw you in a hole. So what happened to you then? Nothing.

The rest of you throw you in a hole. I spent like six months in the hole, taking me out of that facility, sent me to another cell. Is that like when you're literally by yourself in a hole? Yeah, you in a cell. So that's true. Would you see that on television? 23, 23, 23 hours in the cell, one hour out for the yard.

I think it's a cell. Small, smaller than where we are. Real small and that was like, man. How long were you in that for you said? Six months. How did you not go crazy? I read. When you, you know, you just condition yourself for things like that being in prison.

So it was like, you know, always, always like that, you know. So how did you get that stuff? They went on Google. How did you figure out? No, I just started googling things. And they think I had to put it like, I started googling. And then I started watching like tutorials and stuff on YouTube.

But that's where I started while I was 267 Instagram. When I had the phone in 2013, so I started it. And I started doing all type of stuff. I was spraying my message then in jail, but I put like quotes and stuff up there. I would try to promote people in the community like they had shows or clover lines. I was doing all that from prison if you go back.

If you go all the way down my page, you'll see things from when I was in prison. Well, so you actually had that, you started in jail. I started, I started my, I started my, I started my Instagram in prison. Yeah. How did you keep the phone from not getting caught?

How did you hide the phone? Then they catch you? No, what happened was I had it for a year for a while and then I had it for like every team months and then they caught me. How did I sell it and all this, might told me, but that's part of life. But all of it.

And it's like getting the phone. And it's like getting the phone. And it's like, you're talking to yourself. No, you and yourself. I did, under the bed, but this, this the thing. The thing was that, what I've learned on there is why I was able to come out here and just destroy shit. Cause when I'm looking at, you know, I learned so much.

And one of my, one of my teachers, Rest in Peace. He was my teacher from a four-amphony bodan. Right? Now, let me explain something to you about him. Parts are known, no reservations to lay over. He was a legend to me. And when I said in that cell, and I used to watch him on the travel channel, seeing him, whatever, he let me know, you know, he's a guy that used to shoot dope, was a heroin addict, and He came back. He encouraged me with the heat. He was, you know, it was so crazy. I always say when I get out of jail,

I'm gonna meet that guy and he died, you know? And it was like, it was a painful day for me seeing that. Cause I'm like, yo, I wanted to, I just had to meet him and really had a conversation with him, you know, because I watched him so many years in my cell in prison. I don't. And like, he was a legend,

Rustin' Peace to Anthony, you know, shout out to his family, you know, and... He never got to meet him. Never got to meet Anthony. And I met people that knew him, and I was like, shit, I would, you know, so it was just crazy, man, you know, so. But when I seen that, I said, okay,

when I get home, I mean, you realize this technology, you know, because, you know, me and Jail studying things, understanding colors, understanding the tension span, marketing colors, understanding, I said, okay, understanding colors, understanding the tension span, marketing colors, understanding. I said, okay, I realized that human beings in this day and time, they first listen with their eyes, then they listen with their ears. It's a visual connection, and it's a human connection.

And you can make that a human connection, game time. So I said, I'm gonna utilize my message, you know, and the backdrop to my message, the camera's gonna be the inner cities of America. And I'm gonna say, when I'm gonna have to say, and I'm gonna talk about what I wanna talk about, and it just took off from there.

And at the same time, when I was talking about what I was talking about, I did like the, I was, I was mimicking Anthony Burdene and going to different, like I was doing ads and stuff from promotional videos for restaurants, or clothing stores in my communities and filling in the inner cities because nobody was doing that on a black side of things. So I said, I'm gonna do that. Once I started doing that, I started taking off and people just start calling me, oh, how

much you charged for ad? I'm like, oh shit. A minute ad of 500. Okay. Well, how do you do the payment? Next thing, I'm getting 500 dollars, you know, just to do ad on Instagram. Right. So you're monetizing your Instagram?

Yeah, I was monetizing my Instagram. Like, I wasn't even out of jail a year, but I was out of, I came home February 18, 2017, and by August that year, my first speaking engagement, I got $2,000 for 15 minutes at a real estate event in Philadelphia, and then it was over from there. Then I started learning about, okay, what is the one sheet? Okay, what is the EPK? Okay, what is the writer? Okay, what a contract looking like, speak, and I just started and I just started going, and I went from getting 500, 500 to advertise on Instagram to get thousands for that one minute. I just started studying the game and looking at my analytics and I was like, this is the immigrant and I knew how to talk to people

and why I was important for them to get me because nobody could sell like me. You know what I mean? So it was like, I just started doing that and they say no people booking me for speaking engagements. Okay, college is, you know, Penn State, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

District Columbia, uh, uh, and what are you speaking on? Where did you speak on? On, on, how to, how to basically, University of Maryland. Now I spoke on, I speak, it depends on what you need me to speak about. You are literally habits and you are hustle. You are the hustle out of habits and hustle.

You literally hustled while you were in jail to a career you have now. I mean, it is unbelievable. So people were like, while you were in jail. So by the way, how did people even like, how did you even initially get traction with your Instagram? Well, whatever whatever it was, I was in jail and I used to just put stuff up. What were you putting up initially?

I was putting up stuff about like, I used to do these collages, the big pictures. So you're strolling up, I was doing that, was putting up quotes, I was putting up music stuff and I was, you know, because I didn't do no videos because I ain't wearing my face to be showing. Like, you know, you know, I just kept putting stuff up. So when I came home, I just went right at it.

We surprised, like, how long did it take you to start? Because you have like five or six hundred thousand people right now. So, how long, where were you? When you got out of jail, it was, well, it'd been out for three years, right? So, like, when you got out of jail, how many followers did you have back then?

I'm not sure. I ain't paying attention. I just went right in, started doing it. Athos started doing my videos, motivational videos, whatever you call them, inspiring videos. I really don't like to use that motivational thing as like dated and the thought of a put you in a category

is somebody with a baggy suit on as disconnected from what was going on. And I'm not that. So, no disrespect to them, because they ain't gonna get shit load of was going on and I'm not that. So, uh, uh, uh, no disrespect to them because they don't need to shitload the money, but I'm just not that. And, uh, you know, I mean, but, uh, what happened was, I started doing videos and people from athletes to rappers, they started reposting my videos. And, uh, who, like, gave some athletes and rappers that started to do that.

One of the first people that was big, you know, my cousin, Gilly the Kid, and he was one of the first people, but then you had people like, Meeke Mills, Huff Daddy. They were reposting your stuff. They started reposting my stuff, and it was just like, it was crazy.

And then it's, you know, that brought me a lot of people. And it was like, E40, a lot of people just started posting that stuff. And once that happened, things changed. It was off to the races. Wow. So then basically you're monetizing your page, you're doing a lot of speaking.

Now you have a podcast, right? That does it very well, right? Yeah, yeah. We started a podcast, me and my cousin, Gilly the King, it was a million dollars worth of game. But 18 weeks straight on, it was 18, we was number one, 18 weeks straight. it. We was 18, we was number one 18. We streaked on Apple music.

Number one number one episode music. Number one episode in every week. Number one episode in number one show, 18 weeks, you know. And who are you having people on or are you just having? We was doing us. We had a couple, we only, we had like 46 right now. We are in other, we are barstools now, right? We are barstools now.

We partnered with barstool and, Why didn't you partner with them? We partnered with them in like November. But what happened is, we started the podcast in April. By November, they realized we wasn't playing. We wasn't playing on it. We was in negotiation, them spotify all the big people. You know what I mean?

Because we got real traction. A lot of people out here start podcasts, but they is hard for them to get traction because it's so oversaturated. And everybody's talking about what? Or as it's us, it's us, it's us and cut. We're talking about life. We give you game.

Game is guy's attention motivation education. We give it to you in an unorthodox way. We're talking about music sports. And that's how we come in. And we already had a following. We got a million followers. I got a half and a half and a million. We're talking about music sports and that's how we come in. We already had a following. We got a million followers. I got a half and a half a million.

When we started it, we waited. We waited. Our audience kept saying, start a podcast, start a podcast, start a podcast. We didn't even know where the podcast was. So I said, okay, don't worry about it. I took like a couple days. I looked at tutorials. I read up on podcast.

I've seen that one of the things that they grabbed my attention, they said, only 1% of podcasts do like 50,000 every time it come out, right? I said, okay, we're going to be a part of that 1%. Drop the first podcast. When we dropped the first podcast, we went all way up to number four on the top, the top 200 out of all podcasts on Apple. We went to number four.

I'm talking about in less than 24 hours. We went to number four. And at that time, we was in category comedy. We went to number two on comedy under Joe Rogan. And less than 24 hours. No way. Okay, less than 24 hours. Wow. Less than 24 hours. Wow.

Less than 24 hours. So it was like, it was like with us, it was like, with us it was like, oh, this is easy. This is easy, because we got a real audience. We got an audience to subscribe to our messaging. It like we'll be doing it. It was like, okay, and he just loved it. So then so barstools came to you and said,

hey, do you wanna to be on our network? Basically, like who are you doing it with initially, yourselves? We went up there, we met with Paul and then we met with Jen and her initially though, you were you just, you and your cousin. Yeah. G. Yeah, Gilly the king. Gilly the king.

I feel like I feel so white that I don't know who that is. No, it's okay. Everybody listed 7.6 billion people on the planet. You ain't going to know anybody. That's thank you for saying that. I feel so white that I don't know who that is. No, it's okay. Everybody lists a 7.6 billion people on the planet. You ain't going to know anybody. That's thank you for saying that. I'm cool with that. We understand that. Okay, so then basically you guys were just initially your first couple episodes. Who was distributed?

Were you guys just doing it yourself? No, we went through Buzzsprout. We did it independently. We went through Buzzsprout. We found a guy dev. Dev had his own studio, we found him, it's okay, dev. I mean, put him on the show with us.

And he had a podcast studio. So he's like, okay, you're going to use this and we went through Buzz because Buzz was like a distributor, what's the name, he put your stuff on Spotify, put it on Apple. And it was a wrap. And we knew that damn, this is easy to us. It was like, oh, this is easy. And then are you looking for something? Yeah, I'm really fine with something for you.

Oh, you're going to find it. So then basically then, so barstools came to use, Spotify, everyone came to you and said, hey, could we partner with you basically? Yeah. And it was like, you know, shout out to Spotify and anybody for coming with us. But one thing I loved about barstool was that barstool was, uh, like, you know, shout out the Spotify and anybody for coming with us. But one thing I loved about Borestoo was that, Borestoo was,

Borestoo was, I cannot say it. Borestoo understanding game on a whole different level. They understand content, they understand, beyond anybody else for sure. They legendary, so they understood that stuff and it was like, oh, man, these guys is animals. When I seen that, I was like, oh, yeah, it's a rat. So then how does it work?

Then they basically distribute your podcasts at all their, okay, look, look at this. You're so funny. Oh, you are. I show about back it. Okay, so number one, Joe Rogan, number two million dollars worth of game. Yeah, that I'm talking about. That was less than 24 hours when we came out.

And then all our daddy barstools, number four, number three, someone as super genius. This is amazing. So how many? That was an April. That was our first hot kit. That was an April. Okay, so where are you now on the charts? We like it. Let me see. Okay. How many downloads do you get an episode now? I don't even know. you now on the charts? Be like it. Let me see. Okay.

How many downloads do you get an episode now? I don't even know. I don't even be paying attention to it. We get so many, but look, and look, this was on, this was all categories. You will fail. So what? Everybody does.

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You see that? We're already making progress. So let's keep going. We are Body. Start your free trial at Body.com. That's B-O-D-I dot com. This is, wait, hold on a second. Oh, yeah. It was, that's in 24 hours. That's incredible. And we tell my independent no back and we didn't handle no machine a lot of people listen a lot of people Isn't these positions on these podcasts because they got machines and the machines place them there. Yeah Money they is how are people doing it though? No, because they got they got a shit load of money and they got relationships How are you able to what machines though the machines is Apple you know you got these machines? I mean they have really yeah, they got relationships. They put in what they you know position

It is shit is like the machine is like, but you are doing, I mean, that's the, but listen, the podcast space is saturated, but yet there, there's still a lot of, man, I tell people, man, if you get, if you get, if you get a, if you get, if you got a real following, or organic following, it's a wrap, you can kill them out here. Like, you really, you really can kill them out here, you know? So you have a, you have 500,000, your partner has a wrap. You can kill them out here. Like you really, you really can kill them out here, you know. So you have, so you have 500,000, your partner has a million.

You guys start the podcast. Barstool comes after you. Your worth barstool. Now you're crushing it. What's the deal? Like besides them, what do they do for you? What's the deal? Barstool, what they do is, they pay you,

they pay you anything, they sell your ads, that would have been a good deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But what we did is we partnered up with them. And we partnered up with them and they came in, man, they take care of that, they go find, they got relationships and they understand content. Yeah, better than anybody, like you just said. Barstools, you know, Barstools,

a bunch of people that's just like us, they just like us and, and how can I say that's just like us. They just like us in, and how can I say, they just like us, and they don't care about rules. Yeah, no rules, exactly. And that's how I am, fuck the rules. Now I mean, so it's like at the end of the day, that's how we doing it. Now I mean, and it's like, you know,

it's a perfect, it's a perfect match. They don't give you, they can, you could do whatever you want, and they do whatever you want. And they, you do whatever we want. And they basically just, but what's the benefits besides them selling at? I mean, not just bars anybody. Besides a company selling just your ads, what's the other benefit of being

with a big network like that? What do they do for you? And you can use barstools and send them down. CC, we'll barstool. They put you places you might never, you pop up in places you might never popped up at. Right. You some say, where did you, ever since you were with them,

where are you popping up that you would normally not pop up? We getting stronger in white America. You some say they probably would have never knew about us, but barstools understand it. They understood, you know, they wanted to diversify, you know, I mean, they had a diversity, we're finnay, we're finnay, you know, so that was just like anything for us, you know. And so, so what other opportunities like now it's been three years at URO, like, so right now you're making most of your money through the what the podcast and speaking.

Oh, I only got to say nothing. I'm not that's what I'm saying. I'll be playing. I understand. So so we now that I read I can't just sit here not say something. What am I supposed to say? I'm not going to say that. But what I am going to say is he's making millions of dollars off of millions of dollars podcasts, et cetera, et cetera, your entire thing. That's crazy. So you basically went from being in prison, having no money, having really no prospects,

right? Then getting out of prison, being like strategic and being a hustler in prisoner, hit prison to then coming out and being like a multi-millionaire through all these different ventures that you basically started while you were in jail. Yeah, while you were in jail and just being out here and just not, see like one thing about me, I really don't give a fuck. A lot of people care too much about, you know, my whole thing is fuck what they think. I don't care about your pain. I don't care if you like me. I don't care about me right now. You say, I don't like that guy. A lot of people care too much about, you know, my whole thing is fuck with they think. I don't care about your pain.

I don't care if you like me. I don't care if I leave right now. And you say, I don't like that guy. That's not my problem. They don't have anything to do with me. That's your business. I like you though. You know what I mean?

I'm just saying, I'm just talking about life. I don't care. That's not my problem. The problem is everybody cares so much. That's why nobody could do the shit I do. They can't do what I can, my cousin do. They can't do what Boris do do. You got a bunch of people.

And really don't give a fuck. I know, but how do you teach that, right? You can't do that. could my cousin do. They can't do what Boris do do because you got a bunch of people That really don't give a fuck. I know, but you can't how do you teach that right? You can't you can't be in you if it listen if it ain't in you You can't you can operate right everybody out here cares about when I get up Don't care about it. If you like that. I'm bored. I don't care if you like what I got on that's none of my business That's your business. I'm gonna keep I'm aware what I want to wear. I'm a dude. I want to do it I'm gonna say what I want to say. I ain ain't gonna disrespect you, I ain't gonna harm you, but I'm gonna do me, I'm in my own world, I'm out of my business. Yeah, absolutely. I'm gonna tell you that. You don't like it cool, but if you show me 100 people, I'm gonna show you 99 and a half that cares what people think, and they moot in any life,

is operated off of people, you know, people, you know, uh, opinions of them before they even have a pain in them. When you, the average person, when they get up in the morning, they get up, they go to the mirror and put their stuff on. Did they say, well, yeah, this, this don't look right. It don't look right because it don't look right to you.

It don't look right because what you think people are going to say about what you got it on. Oh, this, no, I should wear this. I, my thing is, I don't even look in the mirror. I'm just, that's the only time I'm in the mirror is when I'm shaving. I splashed my face, brushed my teeth. I'm moving. I got some way to go.

So you know, it's still a point where it's those like, if you care, you have a lot of problems out here. If you value people with, people with a pain that's not paying your bills, that's not, don't care about you, you know, you in trouble. And I, I know. So I, listen, like you're preaching to the choir here. I'm very much like you. And maybe if we have a different lives obviously,

but people get very uncomfortable sometimes because I really don't care. I'll say what I want, I'll do what I want. I really don't really care how people, some people love me, some people hate me, and that's all fine. And I find that, but but then when I have success, they're like, oh my God, well, how did you do?

You know, like, you know, and I'm like, because I don't really, I don't think about what how, I just go. And if you're on my train, you're on my train. But people always say, well, how is that person successful? Why are they doing this? Why are they doing that? And the reality is sometimes it is just part of your DNA,

where you really can't teach certain things to people. However, with that being said, what can you tell people? Like, how do you tell people to kind of get out of their own way by being too reliant on what other people think and being too, too, too, just, they're so nervous about how other people perceive them, it stops them from moving forward and being successful and being the best version of themselves. See, you got to understand.

It's a couple of things you got to understand. Number one, do you see the shirt I got on? Yes, what does it say? It says, I love me. That's a great shirt. Number one, let me split. Thank you. Like, one is like this.

You got to do it. Are those real? Oh, you should know that they're real. You just see what you see. You see what I'm saying? Wow, how much would be one of those things? No, that's mean, you're going to talk about that. But, do you know what I mean?

Is it heavy? Can I feel it? This is unbelievable. That's heavy. Yeah. So, so what I'm saying is this, you got to understand this. At the end of the day, it's like this. Number one, during this journey, do life, we claim to be in love with people, places, and things. We fall in and out of love with people, places, and things. But the question is,

did you ever fall in love with yourself? Did you ever make love to yourself, your mind, body, and soul? That's the question. No, average person, they can't even, they don't, they don't only know love from what they've seen on TV or heard through music of how they supposed to love. But see that, when I love me, it's about, it's my movement, it's about you loving you. You have to teach that, what do you do? You teach that number one. Rule number one, and at the beginning of love you,

you gotta be comfortable with being by yourself. And you gotta be comfortable with taking that journey with yourself in order to be introduced, loving yourself See and sometimes they take to personal time and One thing about that is you know if you can't if you're not comfortable with being by yourself If you don't love being by yourself sometimes and I'm not saying be anti-social You're gonna have a problem because you're always going to worry about what people think

Very great. So when so were you then always like this? No, no how did you right so then that means someone could pivot and maybe feel about what people think. Very great. So will you then always like this? No. So how did you, right? So then that means someone could pivot and maybe feel like they're too, they care too much. Something has to have, so basically something has to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have

to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have

to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have something happen to them or have an experience that allows them to break free of that barrier and then push past it. Yours was being in jail and probably have a lot of time to think and figure this out. So I guess the response here is for people to spend more time with themselves and get comfortable with themselves. It's been a lot of time with themselves being alone. That's what it's about. So I'm saying, that's really what it's about,

being alone and just not caring. You know, everything ain't gonna be perfect. When I do a video for Instagram, whatever, when I'm doing, I just do it. I've become it, just drop it. I ain't doing it three, four times or doing it once. I'm gonna say what I gotta say, if I mess up, that's a part of it.

I mean, I don't need anybody. Listen, let think about this. It's 7.8 billion people in this planet. 7.8. Some ways, no, no, 7.6, some way like that. So you say that's 200,000 about what, how many times of that time? 200,000 probably like. Well, you're trying to figure out.

200,000 times what equals 7, 7.6 billion. Okay, yes. That's about 30,000. Am I right? Wait, sir. Okay, we're trying to figure out. I'm gonna break it down once I get it once I get it. That's about what?

Now, he's gonna tell me, but listen, think about this. We focus on everybody liking us. You know, and then you can focus on everybody liking us. And think about the most popular people, the most popular people you ever knew of or heard of in your life. Who's it, 25,000? Listen, think about the most popular people you have ever known in your life and watch this. I mean, think about the most popular people. What is it? 20,000, 20,000 times. So listen, think about this.

Out of every, think about this. Out of every, you say, you said it's 30,000? 20. 20,000, 20,000. What? 20,000, 25,000. So you say this. All you need is one person out of every, out of every, one person out of every 20, 25, was you say, 25,000 person to like you, is that what you're gonna say?

No, you only need them, you only need one out of every 27,000. That's it, you know, you're not, you're not easy to this. That's 27,000. That's a lot're not easy to this. That's 27,000. That's a lot. On the planet. That's a lot. But think about this. You can't convince one person out of 27,000.

There'd be a part of your movement. Think about that. No, I'm not sitting here. You know, you're not, you're not really. You know how easy that is. So my whole thing is like, you don't even need that. Fence this. You're artists.

You put out the singles. You're doing your thing, you're doing music now, right? Think about this. Do you know, you say you want to, they might put you on a 10 city tour, right? That's a song, you got to, I'm coming out, you got to move it, guess what? You could do a 10 city tour of 5,000 fans. You know why?

500 a pop, and each place. That's good. That's a good start. Yeah. Like a lot of people say, oh, I fans, you know why 500 a pop in each place. That's good. That's a good start. Yeah. Like a lot of people say, oh, I'm on the pie. Oh, you got your podcast, right? I tell people, they're like, damn, I said, all you need, I think to get a gap of 100 people, that's going to listen to it because I'm 100 people going to tell somebody else. And as you want to see it growing, long as you consistent, this is going to keep growing. Make sure you, you get system with it, but that 100 people will turn it to 100,000 if you really believe. You know?

Right. I think what we're saying also, and I agree with, I believe this, I think if you're passionate about something, people feel your passion and it's infectious. But it has to come from a right that authentic place. So I think when people try too hard to be something they're not, people feel it uncomfortable

because it's not real. Right. So no matter what you are, who you are, it's important to be authentic to yourself. Even if you're crazy, kooky, weird, unfiltered, like me, you know, it is what it is. You gotta be you, you're gonna be comfortable with it tonight. Exactly. But I think also it comes across like people want to, people gravitate to things that are real. Not to things that are like, boning or fake, right? So where's your family? Like, where your mom and dad?

My dad, he was a street hustler. He disappeared when I was about two years old. They don't know what happened. If he got murdered or whatever, he never showed up. My mom, he's doing good. She's in Philadelphia, my grandmom. What does your mother work? She's a nurse, my mom. When you were in jail, how wasmom. What did she do? Did your mother work? She's a nurse. My mom.

When you were in jail, how was that for, did she come visit you? Everybody came and visit. It was, you know, it's a sad situation. Grandmom, I got a grandm on it's 85. She's a legend, a lover. Knees is nephews. My brother got killed in my ear.

Got killed when I was in prison, died in my grandm on. They shot me, you ran to the house, fell in my grandm on, and then, you know, me, that's part of my drive and my motivation too. He shot me, he ran to the house, fell in my grandma arms and, you know me, that's part of my drive and my motivation too. My brother, you know, low-steak. Brother, how old were you when you, when you got killed? I was, I was in prison.

He was, he was 39, though, you know. And how did he, who? Somebody shot him, he ran to the house, and you know, when my grandma, when the door he fell in arms and he died, you know. I saw you did a talk on this, right? Yeah, a tattoo. The tattoo on.

You forgave your brother's killer. Yeah, you know, because I, uh, it was not, you know, him? No, it's not like I met him and none of that, but it was, it was, it was a forgiveness that was necessary because it was something I would have had to carry on. I didn't have to carry that shit, and that shit would have been heavy. And I wouldn't have been over the operate because I got this, this anger in me, you know, so I think that was the most powerful thing I did. You know, everybody wanted to be, you know,

a gave or something, but they're not willing to forgive. And that's important to me, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I had to understand that. So what is, besides, of course, I know what you're doing podcast and the Instagram, would you do daily? Would it now we know you're a hustler? Do hustle like nobody's business? What are your habits?

Every day I wake up. What time do you wake up in the morning? Like four or something. I wake up. Still because of prison. Yeah, wake up I think. You know what I mean? Look at stuff on, I love you too.

I love tutorials. I just love documentaries and stuff. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, What's your favorite documentary? Probably the great hack. Great hack. Look up that. It was well. It breaks the game down. It breaks down. You know,

I mean, how Trump was paying a million dollars a day for Facebook and all it. Here's on Netflix. It's a legend. It's legendary. So I they track you and all it. Game bridge handed lit. Could you check out the great hack? Uh, uh, track you and all it. Aimbridge and the litaka, check out the gray heck. I will. And recently, I had a hard time. Me and my fiancee, we was going through the IVF process.

First time around, we got from the eggs, eggs I sperm, 13 of 12 babies, we got 12 eggs. You went through it. The baby, as she was pregnant, she got pregnant the first time. The baby, heart stopped beating. We just went through a miscrap, weeks ago. And we're strong. We might do it again.

We just thinking it's hard, it's hard. So that was a whole journey for me, understanding IVF and learning about that is deep. But, you know, you know, we get back up, you know, we gonna be, we gonna be, you know, tomorrow's gonna be better than yesterday. So, you know, but other than that, man, I'm just like living, you know, living eight day, on a hard.

There's no one happen, like, there's no one thing you do every day. Every day I listen to music. Who's your favorite? I gotta say, one of my favorite songs right now is Sample. I don't know if you ever heard a Sample, he got a song called Plastic. He's outstanding.

He's from overseas. But I listen to all type of music. I might be listening, I got to listen to the system of the down guns and rows. I got to listen to anything. Jay Z, Mekmills, anything. That's his me. If I fill a song, a down guns and rows. I got to listen anything. Anything. Jay Z. Meek Meek. Anything. You know what I mean? That's just me. If I fill a song, I'm, man.

You bring guests on your show ever? Is it just something? Sometimes we bring guests on it, but most of the time we don't. Because we went our show to live all for us. We don't want it to be so guest out to where it's those like, you know, some other stuff. Right. So it's all about you guys and your dynamic with each other. Yes.

And then do you guys plan it? Like, okay, more, how often do you do it this podcast? How would you, I mean episodes do that out? We do, we do, we do, we do once a once a week. We release four months. Sometimes maybe five is a bonus. Okay. And then do you guys plan like, okay, tomorrow we're going to talk about music?

Or is it just like conversation? No, it's happening. It's just happening. It's just happening. We bounce off each other. It just happened. We might say something about current so, we bounce off each other, just happening. We might see something about current of it. We might not talk about the current event.

You know, and it's like, you're just talking about us, you know, me talking about a journey through life, talking about sports and the team, all the types. I'm gonna check it out. You're checking me and I was with the game, I'm gonna check it out. I did, I've checked out a, yeah, I mean, I saw a few minutes here and a few minutes there.

I didn't want to listen to the entire episode, but I'm going to now that I had you on. Mm-hmm. Thank you. Oh, you're welcome. I love your shirt. Where do I get one? I'm going to head to merch on my website soon. Wally267.com is going to be coming soon. So keep your eyes out for that exclusive merch drop 75 pieces. Only going to be out from head shirts, all type of stuff. But it's coming.

I love it. I love it. I love it. That's a great shirt. Thank you so much. And where do people find you, you said? You can find me at Instagram, at WALO267, you can find me on YouTube, WALO267. I got a show on YouTube called Where's Wala?

Why interview, all type of artists? A-Buy from Deon Sandes, Meek Mills, T-I, everybody, the interview, the one there. Wait a minute, hold on. Now you're telling me you have a YouTube show and you have your podcast. You forgot about the YouTube show. No, I didn't forget, yeah, but you know, you would have asked me, but yeah, where's WALO is on YouTube? You know, where I'll be all over interviewing all type of people. I thought it was just on the, okay, well, I'm going to go back.

That's my personal brand. You know, me and I was really games me and my cousin together. Still got my own personal, you know. Where's Walla? Okay. So who's a big now, sorry. We're gonna go right back. Who's the biggest person that you've interviewed?

Did you have your, have you had Jay-Z on? No, but I had, I had, I had, I like Jay-Z. I had, you know, you know, you know, you know, Sanders, T.I. T.I. T.I. I had a very popular podcast. Yeah, he got one. Yeah, I mean, people like, I just did T.I. He's a, he has a very popular podcast. Yeah, he got one. Yeah, I mean, people like, I just did T.I. podcast too. Like, you know, big people meet me up, but, you know, people like that, you know.

Okay, I'm going to check that out too. Thank you. No, you're welcome. I'm going to check it out. I know, but also we're at the Super Bowl. Who are you rooting for? Uh, whoever won. That's my team.

I did a game of bet or my team won. That was good team. How did the game go bet? Or my team won? That was good to me. I'm an egoist guy. That was for real. Exactly. Yeah. I hear, oh my gosh. One thing we have to talk about. I forgot to even bring it out. There's a Kobe thing. That must have been. Yeah. Kobe from Philly. Uh, it was sad. You know, it was not just about Kobe's daughter. The, you know, five losses life, multiple fathers. Nine people. It was just crazy. It's crazy, you know, Kobe's eye kind man. And I think I mean, people appreciate life and more and look at their family.

So I want to love love up on my family more. Because I'm one of the people who have, you know, live, you know, live every day like it's your last day on earth. That's how I live anyway. Because you never know how you might go out, you know. You never know. I mean, it's just such a terrible tragedy. I think it represented so much to people beyond just if you're a basketball fan or not, right? It's just basically, I think he was a superstar across the board and also just represented work ethic and discipline

and determination. And I think no matter where you are in life, everyone wants to be better, I guess, even if they don't maybe support subconscious. And I think you represented that. So I think it really affects people. I don't know, it's gonna be much more than I thought it would. Yeah. You know, um, all right. So everyone, check out WALO and his podcast, his YouTube. WALO 267. WALO 267. WALO 267, sorry. It's okay. Okay.

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