Habits and Hustle - Episode 95: Dr. Craig Koniver – Founder of Koniver Wellness, Performance Medicine Expert

Episode Date: December 22, 2020

Dr. Craig Koniver is the founder of Koniver Wellness and has been practicing Performance Medicine for over 18 years. Dr. Koniver was fed up with the disease-based model of modern medicine and instead has focused his energy on optimizing people’s health through time-tested, nutrient, and science-driven protocols that are the cutting-edge of medicine. In this episode, one of the latest health crazes, peptides, discussed in great lengths. We explored the real benefits behind peptides, NAD+, and much more. Tune in to see why Dr. Koniver believes so strongly in peptides and specifically why everyone can benefit from them. This is a perfect episode to tune into as we welcome in the New Year! YouTube Link to This Episode Dr. Koniver’s Website Dr. Koniver’s Instagram ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Did you learn something from tuning in today? Please pay it forward and write us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts. 📧If you have feedback for the show, please email [e-mail]  📙Get yourself a copy of Jennifer Cohen’s newest book from Habit Nest, Badass Body Goals Journal. ℹ️Habits & Hustle Website 📚Habit Nest Website 📱Follow Jennifer – Instagram – Facebook – Twitter – Jennifer’s Website Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to the Habits and Hustle Podcast. A podcast that uncovers the rituals, unspoken habits and mindsets of extraordinary people. A podcast powered by habit nest. Now here's your host, Jennifer Cohen. So welcome to another edition of Habits and Hustle and today we have a very special guest who is here from South Carolina. His name is I always pronounced this wrong and I know I'm gonna do it again but Dr. Conover. His name is, I always pronounce this wrong, and I know I'm gonna do it again, but Dr. Conever.

Oh, I got it. Good, okay, I usually say Carnivore, so Conever. Conever's it. And he's a performance medicine doctor. I've never heard anybody actually refer to themselves as that. So can you give us, can I give us a friend? And who you are? Sure.

Well, thanks for having me. I appreciate bringing it. Yeah. So performance medicine, I think I came up with the term family medicine training, but kind of operating outside of that jurisdiction pretty much for my whole career, so to speak. And I got involved with the functional alternative medicine

crowd. And I never really felt right, just because a lot of functional medicine is based on this kind of robotic principle that we're all the same. In many respects, functional medicine has the same mindset as you know, alopathic medicine which uses a pharmaceutical model and functional medicine uses the Neutraceutical model. We're just going to take this for that. Well, I was going to say to you actually, when after you told me or once you kind of gave us the definition of what a performance medical doctor is, I wanted you to kind of give us the difference between what a functional

medicine doctor is and what a performance optimization doctor is, right? Right. So functional medicine, you know, a lot of people, more of chronic disease, they've got problems whether it's diabetes or autoimmune disease cancer and they're going to see a functional medicine doctor because they want to get to the root cause. Right. Maybe, so they're gonna have a lot of different lab tests performed on them, and in general,

then they're given a list, a litany of oral supplements to take. Most people, if you talk to, and I have had the privilege every the years of doing this, is, you know, I'll give you an example of a guy, just start doing treatments with us two weeks ago, and when I met him, he literally had a backpack full of 50 supplements. Yeah.

And he sent, he emailed me a list of his regimen, which was five pages long. And when he came in, I said, I'm not sure we're going to be a good fit because you being this vigilant and doing all this is part of your problem. Right? Yeah. Right? Like that is very stressful. You have to organize your life. Right? Like that is very stressful to have to organize your life. Absolutely. Around every couple of minutes taking something, which you don't, and he couldn't even

tell you what it was for. Oh yeah. And so that's kind of how I see functional medicine, anything as it's place. But I think most people want to not only feel well, but they want to perform their best as they get older. Absolutely. Well, it's interesting because I mean, I've been to a bunch of functional medicine doctors and you're right. And what happens is you do get a litany, a plethora of different supplements to be taking and lab tests to be doing. But after over time, you just end up, if you're busy also, you just end up not doing it because it's too difficult to kind of keep on like taking 47 different supplements and also not understanding

why and what you lose track of all of that. And quite frankly, it doesn't always make a difference. Most of the time it doesn't make a difference. And part of that is the mindset of, again, taking this for that, like all of us have things that we want to improve upon, there's always going to be a supplement that you could add in. So if that's how you approach it, we're, okay, now I want to run faster, I want to improve upon, there's always going to be a supplement that you could add in. So if that's how you approach it, we're, okay, now I want to run faster,

I want to sleep better, we're just stacking different supplements. Yeah. You're not really getting to actually helping the patient really make difference in their life. So as a performance medicine doctor, do you not believe in taking supplements and meditation?

I do. Yeah, no, I think everyone has to have all the options on the table. Okay. So we just think of ourselves as having a really gigantic tool bag. Got it. Yeah, no, I think everyone has to have all the options on the table. Okay. So we just think of ourselves as having a really gigantic tool bag. Got it. Lots of tools. But we believe, just from experience, because I got involved with doing these nutritional

IVs very early on, like 16 years ago, well, before the hangover IVs were trendy and in bug. And so just watching and observing how fast fast these therapies can work and then getting involved with other injectable therapies. Now it's a lot of peptides. Like that moves the needle really fast for most people. And kind of a basic tenant I have with patients is I just wanted to get the feeling better first.

I don't care what the diagnosis is. Which is very different than the conventional mindset. If we have to have the diagnosis and we work the diagnosis by giving medicine and running labs to support, continually giving the patient the medicine to have the diagnosis and we work the diagnosis by giving medicine and running labs to support continually giving the patient the medicine to support the diagnosis. Right. Yeah, it's just yeah, it's this very convoluted way where you don't really get anywhere. Right. It's a convicious cycle of like this is a hamster wheel of stuff. Well then like what so You said peptides and obviously I want to get really, I really want to like dig into that because there's a lot of, there's, most people don't really understand what they are or

there's confusion or there's not really that much known to the, you know, layman's person who's not in the industry. Sure. But when you see a patient, then what is, who, who is your typical patient? Because you are an MD doctor. I am. Yeah. So tell us like what, how would you kind of even evolve from being, because you're a family,

you were trained as an ambulance. Trained family medicine, right? So after my residency, I wanted to open my own practice. So I, because I wanted to do things differently, gone involved with these nutritional IVs. Right. And at the time, it was like a traditional primary care practice took insurance, but then on the side,

we did a lot of these IVs. And then I'd saw, well, these are really working. How do we make this work better? And then I actually then developed our own IV, called a fast vitamin IV, which we use a lot, which is a 30cc volume of B vitamins magnesium and amino acids that we push. I used to push, I thought.

So, and so we've developed that, that's our thing. We do a ton of that in the office, and then we actually work with close to a hundred different position groups across the country that also purchased that from us. Is it a patent? Do you have a patent on that? We don't have a patent, we have a trademark on the name.

And it's just, it's our thing, and it's works really well. And so, from observing how quickly you get someone from feeling, you know, down here, up here, even just using that therapy, just after a couple of weeks people were feeling so much better, just from giving them nutrients in a proactive manner. That was a big shift because 14, 15 years ago, the only people doing IVs were people who were sick chronically fatigued looking for some health issue. And I thought, these works so well.

Why don't we use them proactively, just like a supplement? And so the idea, it becomes about bioavailability. And one of the biggest problems with oral supplements is for most people, you just don't get that much out of it. So we estimate if you take any sort of oral nutrient, whether it's food or supplement, you only get like 20% return. Whereas you're using an IV, it's closer to 100% to big difference.

So the argument that I've heard over these IVs, because I am very familiar with IVs, I think by now people have heard about them. Now the discipline devil's advocate, people say that you know what, it doesn't, like you were just mentioning, well, you were saying earlier, that doesn't all get absorbed because a lot of people say, you know, it's a waste of time and money because when you have these big bags of fluid, you're going to pee out most of it. So is that when you're talking about the thing that you do, which is called, what is it called again?

Fast vitamin IB. Yeah, fast vitamin. You kind of eliminate the, yeah, we flip the script. So most people are using the slow drip IVs where they put in a lot of fluid. You dilute the nutrients to very small. It drips in, takes an hour to two hours, and people don't feel it, they don't notice it. Hours literally takes less than a minute. So the advantage there not only is it's quick, right?

So when you get it, but then because it's fast, you can do it regularly, right? And so when you're doing it regularly, and that's what happened with us, with our patients are doing it every single week. We work with professional athletes, you you know high-octane type people they're doing it multiple times a week right because it's so easy it's literally a minute of your time. Can they do it yourself? No no you can't right because it's still it's still a knee. It's still IV we're still putting a needle in the vein and then we're just pushing it and we've tested it I mean we've never

ever ever had an adverse reaction. Really? Yeah. Because it's super safe. Okay so that's what's really okay so basically that's what I was going to say because a lot of these times it takes a long time which then people don't want to do like me. Yep. So then and then I think I'm peeing it out anyway. It's a purpose. So then I just kind of go back to my regular supplements or whatever. Right. That I would take. So with this it just takes like a minute basically. Literally a minute. Wow. But what do people do if they don't have access to you or they have that? Well that's what we hope to change. Oh, so like we work with people and if they want to have a nurse or they under another doctor supervision, then they can work with us in that same

capacity. So whether you're in Minnesota or California or, you know, or you can add to people can actually use this. They can. I mean, there's certain requirements outside of our office. And then we have a whole nursing network across the country that we utilize for the same purpose. So what are these, what are these fast IVs? What can they help with? Give me some examples. So what it's composed of is the things that most people are deficient of because we do a lot of nutrient testing over the years. It's three big things that most people on average are deficient in one or B vitamins, magnesium and important mineral and then amino acids. So that's low hanging fruit in my opinion.

So that's what a past vitamin IV is. Low hanging fruit is just where we're restocking those things people need most. And so it usually takes a couple weeks but most of the time that light turns on after a couple weeks if you do it consistently, colors look brighter, you have more energy, you sleep better, you're moods better, because if you, you know, my lens of the world is very biochemical, like that's how I see things. We get things optimized balanced, then literally that's how we're making change within our system to help people feel better.

So this is how basically, you started as a regular family physician and you kind of then started doing a little bit of the stuff on this side. Not really on the side. I mean it was just at the same time and then watching that grow and then having success. And effective. It being effective. Super effective and so then I stopped taking insurance because I wanted to go a different route because to me family medicine it chose that was building relationships with people. And in the primary care insurance-based model, I could spend five to seven minutes with the patient.

I can't be valuable. I'm not feeling like I'm contributing. They certainly can't feel like I'm contributing. Because how do you do that in five minutes? So I scrapped that model, went to a direct pay model, like a concierge for people pay, but they value that time so you get to know people. And then when you're invested in that with each other,

then you actually can really make change, right? Because it's more of like a proactive gym model, people are gonna pay to work on themselves, which is a totally different mindset than the conventional medicine model, which is I'm gonna just use my copay to come see you for some ailment. Yeah, absolutely.

Well, I have a bunch of questions here for you because, and I love that we were saying this before we started this podcast, that it's kind of what I say in my Jewish world, the share that I actually called you. Are you Jewish? I am. Okay, well, because like, you know, people, you know, people told me about you here,

and I didn't realize that you have so many clients all over LA and everywhere else around the world and you're like the go-to person for a lot of these longevity or biohack or type of people. So I figured, you know, I wanted to get my information from a great source and that's how we kind of like, and despite coincidence, you're going to be in LA five days or six days later. So I figured I want to take this opportunity and ask you a bunch of questions. Awesome. Okay, so let's go right into peptides. You've set, you've already touched upon it a little bit and it's in my space, the wellness, health

space, people are already dabbling in it, but on a more macro level, people don't even know what it is. Can we talk about what a peptide is, what is it used for, and just kind of like go from there? Yeah. So peptides in the very simplest form are chains of amino acids. I mean, you know, acids people are familiar with. If you work out and you take these, you know, work out powders, protein powders, have a lot of amino acids. I mean, acids people are familiar with. If you work out and you take these, you know, work out powders, protein powders have a

lot of amino acids. They're kind of the building blocks of life. They contribute to building solid structures, tendons, ligaments, bones, neurotransmitters in the brain, the nervous system. And so what a peptide is is just these different amino acids that are put together in novel combinations. So on the technical side, it's called a peptide, if it's less than 40 amino acids that are put together in novel combinations. So on the technical side it's called a peptide of its less than 40 amino acids together and then it's called a protein if it's greater than 40 amino acids. So these are

all naturally occurring things. They're synthesized in the lab and then they're used, the vasmjority of them are injected subcutaneously to exert their effect. And they grew up in the CrossFit world actually actually. This is where we see them several years ago, where CrossFit or particularly competitive CrossFiters were looking for an edge. And peptides have become like the modern day andabolic steroids. But they're different in large purposes,

they're so safe. We rarely see any negative side effects. I mean, it happens, but it's super rare. So how does it have the same effect of a steroid but get be completely safe? I mean, it's it have the same effect of the steroid but get be completely safe? I mean it's not having the same effect. So, the way in about steroids are hormonally based, right? Like they're testosterone analogues. So they're like testosterone but in many ways stronger, right? So testosterone is a foundational hormone for men and women but testosterone even has

its problems that you know you can get estrogen build up, you can build up your hemoglobin, you can get fluid retention, can affect your liver. But we think works so well, peptides is because they're small molecules, super small. And because they're so small, they can bind receptors on cells, and that's it. So it's very specific. So in the case of the crossfitters,

what the first kind of grouping of peptides that become popular, it's most people will touch them first, is the growth hormone releasing peptides. These are group things named like IPamurone, GHRP6, GHRP2. The first one was Semurone. It's kind of weak. We don't use it, but we use it. Why? I have come without you.

It just doesn't work as well. It's just like a first generation. Okay. Now we're like third and fourth generation, different peptides. So, okay. So then what's the newest generation of the, each of the human growth hormone? Well, they're against testamorones, you know, one that's probably getting utilized more

because of its fat burning properties and so many people want to be more leaner and fat. Right. And that's kind of a unique one we can talk about. But what that, so we used to use a lot of growth hormone with patients and growth hormones are very anabolic. Hormone meaning healing, rejuvenating, mending to tissue.

And if you're a professional athlete, like you're a pitcher and you're injured, you're able to be back in two weeks, not two months. Growth hormone is amazing for you in that regard. Because you'll get back really quickly, you'll heal your tissue. Problem with growth hormone, several problems. One, very cost prohibitive, very expensive.

Two, when people use growth hormone, they tend to think of a little as good, a lot is better, and that's not the case. So, people can get some, you know, manipulate that hormonal dynamics. And you can with growth hormone, you then start suppressing your own growth hormone output. Peptides, the growth hormone releasing peptides, when you take one of those, you're just telling your pituitary release is growth hormone to put out more growth hormone. So you can only put out what you can make, so you can never manipulate that access, which is awesome. So very safe. And then not only can you then help direct the output of growth

hormone, you can help direct the timing of growth hormone on the output. And again, because we do a lot of testing of patients, as people get older, it's one of those hormones that declines. We call it the anti-aging hormone because it affects so many things relating to being durable, your skin, your sleep, you know, kind of how you think, physically, how well you recover from exercise. So is that why most people, when they start the peptides number one, they start with the HGH, the one that you said, the CJC or the... Well, the C...

Yeah, the hypermural. Yeah. Okay, so isn't that like the... So it's like kind of like the safe and legal version, because the other ones are legal. Aren't they technically illegal for war? Animal X series. Well, yeah, but no say it's an athlete if an athlete would take a peptide would they be considered professional athlete? Yeah most of the peptides are banned they're on the WADA ban list on usata world

anti-doping agency United States anti-doping. Peptides are most peptides are banned but why if it's a natural so if it's an amino acid and it's a natural producing substance? Because those organizations politically want to hinder what they're premises, we want to keep the playing field level, which is a false premise because we can go down that pathway. There's so many things that are performance enhancing, which are not chemicals, right? You having a private chef is a performance enhancer. Certain pillows, mattresses you sleep on, red lights, cryo-therapy, these are all performance enhancers. Some people will do them more. Yeah. Well, what's wrong with that? Nothing.

Best on injectable. But even an injectable thing, which may help you recover more so that you can be a better athlete and is safer. I don't understand why that's bad. And why is it bad if it's going to make you a better performer? Yeah. Well, I find, but I find completely hilarious, not hilarious in a funny way. I guess that's the wrong word. Ironic, you know, in Lanzarang, Armstrong, for example, there are a lot, so many people were taking things as like, they still do, and they still do, secretly, right?

They still do. And they still do. I mean, so isn't that really even isn't that like and then he gets caught for what he does Whatever but if you never got caught he was whistleblown. So he never had a positive test and So never oh he never had a positive test to this day. He's never had a positive test Oh, I thought I thought oh my gosh, so he was whistleblown. So then Technically he could have said it's not true, is that what you're saying? Well, that's what he wanted to say. Did you want to stop documentary, by the way? I did.

Yeah, I was in it. Did you see me in it? Maybe. Oh no, okay. He watched it, yeah. Yeah. I knew that story very well. And so.

I'm sure you do. Yeah, and so that he never, he never had a positive drug type. I didn't recognize that. And if you go back to land storm strong specifically, all the racers at the time were doing what he did. That's what I'm saying. So it was a level playing field in a way.

100% still is. No one was going to be land storm strong. Like he won the Tour de France seven times in a row after having metastatic testicular cancer went to his brain, had multiple brain surgeries. Like that's a very special human. And to try to take that away and say you did it because you did doping with HCH testosterone, things to your blood that's totally inaccurate.

Yep. I agree with you. It's like a very touchy subject with some people because I think people, sometimes I think it's like, you know, people are like shot and for it. People like do what that is when you kind of get pleasure in other people's like misery kind of thing. I think jealousy. You know, it is jealousy because it is a bit it is a level playing field of everybody's doing it. And he still could be I mean this is this is a whole long conversation you know but. Well I think they should open it up and allow it. Right. Because why not give everyone, again, equal access

and let's see how people do? Let's see how people do, yeah. Right, because if you look at sports like in 1998, the most excited people were about majoring baseball was when Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosso were doing stuff. Yeah. It was like the reemergence to baseball. That, it makes a better sport, which sports is entertaining,

but also protects the player. And most of it's about recovery. And these guys, particularly, toward a friend's athletes, majorly baseball players, they put their bodies through the rigors, giving them tools to help them recover. How is that bad? Well, I mean, you're the doctor, right?

And you tell me. Well, I think people can overdo it. I think this is what, I think that's the problem. I think there's a big, there's a lot of like stigma around it, right? Because what happens is people can and do overdo it. And but at the same time, I mean, it's it brings up a larger point. We work with a lot of former NFL players, right? They've had multiple concussions to their head that's totally legal,

that has changed your life. A lot of guys, these guys with broken brains, which aren't terrible shape, but that's totally legal that has changed your life. A lot of guys, these guys with broken brains, which are in terrible shape. But that's allowed? Like that's okay, but some, right? Like it's so I don't understand the argument. It's a political argument, and it doesn't add up anymore. I think hopefully it gets changed at some point, because one will have better competition, we'll be able to protect the athletes better, and we'll actually be able to learn more. Yeah. Because learning about how elite athletes perform and what works for them helps the rest of us who can never get to that level. Oh, absolutely. So let's stay on this, how elite athletes perform and peptides for a minute. So are the FDA approved then? No, they're not FDA approved. I think of them like injectable supplements. Yeah. So naturally incurring things,

but you inject them. Right. So they're not FDA approved. I don't think they need to be FDA approved because that would take too long. I mean, that's a good 10 to 20-year process usually. And so, these things have a very, very safe track record when used in animal studies and some small human studies. And then the biochemical studies, they work really, really well. So they've been tested. It's not for everybody, but I think people when they understand and can learn and get informed information about what something is then sub to them to make the choice if they

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If you're able to like turn around, turn yourselves around faster and recover faster, that's about like cellular generation, right? If you're able to like turn, turn your cells around faster and recover faster, that's about like cellular generation, right? Regeneration. Could it be cancer causing then or no? Well, I mean, you're asking a really tough question. Like, you're asking what causes cancer, and I certainly don't know. You're the doctor. A doctor. But, so, I mean, I have theories that it's, multiple things going wrong at the same time. Okay. And I do believe that all of us, you know, have to deal with some cancer at some point. We're just our immune systems are to a point

where we can handle it. You know, stage one cancer becomes stage one when you can see it radiographically. Stage zero is cancer that we can't see. It's starting. And actually we use peptides in different IV therapies hopefully to prevent that from happening with people to help give people the tools, biochemical tools to boost their

immune system to get it back in check, so you can actually be stronger and never get cancer. Really? Well, I think a lot of these things in terms of longevity, I asked this question too, right? Even like red light therapy, right? Which, you know, is a big trend right now for inflammation and for like fine lines, for vanity reasons and for actual health and recovery reasons.

And then that same question, if it's turning yourselves around again, is that cancer causing? And people can never answer the question. Well, because again, to have, here's part of the problem, to answer that question, you'd have to isolate so many variables in certain populations of people to ever get to that place, which is going to be impossible.

Right? Like you have to give everyone the same diet supplements, sleep the same hours, think the same thoughts, exercise the same way, control for genetics. That's impossible. There's too many variables for people. That's why people should know that any Human study you have to be very skeptical of because we can never control for all the variables. Yeah, ever So we're making determinations on pharmaceuticals based on okay Well, this seemed to work in this population, but that is not necessarily the whole picture Like for example, I tell people with antidepressants like it is literally a coin toss where they're an antidepressant she'd work for

someone. Oh really? Top three drugs prescribed but literally a coin toss like 50 percent of the time it won't work. So what happens then? People say they say on them. People have side effects. People have a lot of side effects from being an antidepressant. No I'm saying what are they tell us what that what that would how would they know? A lot they will just get put on these things for. Well, and so if you look at what is the origin of being, of having depressed mood, most of it has nothing to do with taking a deficiency of pro-zac per second. No, I know.

There's like a, it's a, it's a, a non-mon on this, but like a serotonin uptake. So serotones one of the players, but so are so many hormones, so many, you know, right, so many nutrients, right? So you could dial it back to, you know, for example, when I tell people since the 1990s, the rates of anxiety and depression in this country of triple. Yeah, well that's what I know probably even could after COVID. Yeah, well the 1990s, when we saw this low fat dieting started, remember, snack wells. Yeah, so our brain is 70, 80 percent fat. or snack wells. Or snack wells. Well, yeah, so our brain is 70, 80% fat.

The vast majority of people don't need enough healthy fat. So all we gotta do is make that change, but we won't because medicine doesn't approve that what you, they don't think that. Reaching for abortion. Yeah, it's, I mean, you can, oncologists, I've seen it so many times, people diagnosed with cancer, okay, doctor,

should I eat a certain diet? That has nothing to do with your health. Like, really? Really? Oh, that's coming. Yeah, no, no, that's the mantra. I feel it's changing a little bit, but I think that it's a little bit archaic

and what the diet is that put you on a lot of times. They say that they keep you with a low fat diet. They think that eating four pounds of pasta, but no butter is still okay. I mean, or no olive oil or whatever it is. No, I agree with that. But part of the problem, even with that, with diets and my philosophy's a little bit different,

because I think what you think about the food is actually more important than the actual food. Let me know what you think about the food. What you think the food will do for you, if you have a healthy view of that food, it's gonna work better for you. Just like everything else. Like everything in life, yeah. If you have a healthy view of that food, it's going to work better for you. Just like everything in life. Like everything in life. Yeah, like a placebo effect. Yeah, the placebo or no sebo effect. Yeah, so if you

don't believe with peptides, if you're like someone's giving someone peptides no idea what it is and doesn't believe in it, probably not going to get the same outcome benefits. Really? That's anything in life. Okay, so okay, so who goes, like who should try peptides and then why I've got two parts of this? Why is it then that there's so many peptides and I have quite a lot of friends on them. It's usually then the same peptide that everybody I know is taking. Yeah, well, so let's go back. So we have the growth hormone releasing peptides. Okay. That's where the growth and the crossFit community. There's five of them that we use. Ipermoralin, GHRP-6, GHRP-2, hexarillin, and testosterone. They all have a little bit different flavor. Depending on the

goal is how we kind of help people decide where you want to start. You know, the kind of general one is the Ipermoralin because it's a clean one. It binds that growth hormone receptor better than all the rest. So it's very specific, but it's not very strong. So it's a really good starter peptide because most people can have a little bit positive uptick in energy, make it a little bit leaner, sleep a little bit better. Make it a little bit leaner, not necessarily. Right, because there's a lot of factors. I mean, people could be doing a peptide injection all day long and eating like crap. And so there's a lot of variables here, again, but they're variables.

So we usually start with hypermuralin if it's just like someone who wants to be stronger fit or faster, which is what most of us want to do. Exactly, yeah. Yeah, and so then, but I like people to try lots of different ones, because how do we know? You don't know. And so a lot of people aren't open to the trial and error

of like, I have some ideas about what I think will work, but the only way we know is if you try it. And then, you know, like hexorailin, for example, is a really good one for endurance and good for the cardiovascular system. So we use that in the morning for people for endurance athletes. Test them are really good, seemingly for, you know, visceral fat loss, which is the fat around the organs. So it works better better women than men.

But visceral fat, I mean, fat around the organs, don't you have to be somewhat overweight. You can just have some extra pounds on you, but not have any visceral fat. No, I'm sure. No, but not visceral fat. Sorry. Subcutaneous.

Yeah, sub-yeah. Well, but it's still, it's still, it's not going to just work on the visceral fat Okay, but it's gonna but that's a helpful thing. So why is that one work for women more than the other ones? Just because I don't know the answer. It's just an observation So when someone comes in to see what age bracket are going on this you see young young people on this young people People in their 20s who again fitness probably and then people in their 60s who are you know Having to deal with more stress in their life and they may be more into working out and want to lose some

weight or they may who knows. They'll go on at I was it gone. I from Rome? Yeah, for sure. 60 year olds. 70 year olds, 90 year olds. Even 90 year old patients taking peptides. Sure.

Yeah, very very safe. Again, across the board most peptides are super super safe. We don't see reactions. But they have to inject themselves, right? Or have someone do it to them. Okay. And then we use very small insulin, you know, very easy. You can inject it once or two times

and people have no problem with it. I know a problem. No problem. So that's one of the main problems. That's the big one. That's the big group, the growth hormone release and peptides. Then we have these anti-inflammatory peptides,

like BPC-157, BPC's body protection compound, it's anti-inflammatory good for the gut lining, but also good for protecting the ligaments and tendons. And we have a lot of people, because we see a lot of athletes, various competition levels, who you can argue should be on BPC all the time, because it's gonna protect you,

where a lot of people get injuries is a strain of the ligament and tendon. That's what BPC is protective of. Can you combine consent me beyond IPM or Ruralin and BPC? Yeah, so that's how we approach it is because we've been doing this a while just like people stack supplements we stack peptides and we put you know again from my observations of what works and so we use three four seven nine peptides at a time what works, and so we use three, four, seven, nine peptides at a time, because that's where you really see some magic happen. Now, what we do is differently, we pre-fill syringes, we came up with a way to

pre-fill syringes, and that's how we present them to our clients. Yeah, that's what I, that's what you're saying to me out. That's what I was surprised about. Most people don't do that. No, they don't do it because they don't really understand peptides, they don't have enough experience, so they start, oh, do2 use this one or use this too. Well the trouble is if you're using 3, 5, 7 peptides a day, you can get very tired of drawing out 3, 5, 7, 6 and then giving yourself that many shots. What's going back to the whole functional medicine supplement situation or pill thing, taking

too much of it. Now you're just kind of taking a bazillion needles instead of a bazillion, you know, oral pills or whatever. Yeah, so there's a blossoming number of peptides. So there's one for inflammation, great ones for the immune system, for the nervous system, cognitively, for you name it, there's gonna be peptides. And you're saying though, it really mostly,

it will work if you think it works, the placebo. I mean, you're gonna get things to work even if you don't think it'll work, right? But it the placebo. I mean you're gonna get things to work even if you don't think it'll work right but it's gonna work better if you're mentally on board to making the choice for something to work for you. So then why it's just no side effects at all? Very very little. Some people so some of the growth hormone or at least peptide people get a little tingly and they'll get flushed about five minutes after the injection five to ten minutes. Transient goes away.

Testamurilin can cause a little bit of a well under the skin. There's, it seems to be, a little local irritation goes away. Other than that, no. I mean, literally no. Because I mean, I know that people get, I've heard people get bloated on it, people get, you know, they feel the retaining a lot of water. There's some, yeah, and then some that will do that. people get, you know, they feel the retaining a lot of water. Not, I mean, for women. There's some, yeah, and then some of that will do that.

And if you're especially with the growth hormone releasing peptides, for example, GHRP6, which is the strongest, yeah, that can cause some bloating and fluid retention, fluid shifts. It's almost like growth hormone. So then what happens? Does it go away? Usually it goes away that as you use it, away as you get that transition for sure. The people can hang in there.

So when does someone start going with the horse? So this doesn't disrupt the hormones then? Or? This should not disrupt hormones. Because that's going to say, because when does somebody go on a hormone like a testosterone or go on a peptide? It's a good question. The way I purchase it depends on what the patient wants to do, right?

Like, so we'll have patients who will do lab work. And we'll say, here's, we check all your hormones, here's where you are, here's where you could be, here's how you get there. And sometimes we use peptides and say, particularly, the best example is men, because they're way more straightforward. But then a lot of times it's just a testosterone replacement. And then helping with the fitness and the recovery, you can add that peptide for the growth hormone stuff,

and they're like parallel treatments, right? So they don't really cross over, and they're not gonna affect each other, but they synergistically work together. More from our guests, but first a few words from our sponsor. Whenever I talk to people about why they don't go to therapy, they always say it's too expensive. But let's have some real talk.

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So it's interesting, because there's so many subscription models are popping up I feel now, right? For Lotus Osherum, right? For low testosterone, right? There's a lot of them. So I feel like that's become like a very big thing, but that doesn't necessarily help women per se, but you know, I think that women need testosterone. I would say there's a misconception, right? So how do you know as a woman versus a male if it's a testosterone thing? I mean, you take a test. Is that now, like, this

can you explain this? There's like, there's progesterone, there's testosterone, there's a lot of hormones. There's a lot of hormones. And it's very scary to even start that down that road, right? Because, well, I don't know if it's scary. It's just people who are, to me, it's, would be scary. It's just, there's a lack of understanding. A lack of education and understanding. And so a lot of doctors don't truly get it even operating in this space. And they kind of do this recipe book type of medicine, where like, OK, these are low.

We want to hear. So here's how much. The trouble is everyone's a little bit different sensitivity wise to testosterone, to all these hormones. For example, a man, again, we do a lot of testing. But it's not just about the number. What number should you be at what you do?

I don't think of a number. So there's a range for example for men it's a you know if we say 300 to 1200 it's a generalized range. By the way let me point out for men low testosterone is a number one risk factor for heart disease, stroke, depression and dementia. So it's a big deal. It's a big deal for men. But also men who have healthy testosterone levels have a higher quality of life too. Oh, it imagined. So there's a sweet spot

though. Every man's a little bit different to where they feel their best and that's where the arty medicine comes in kind of understand the patient, getting the patient, following up with the patient. Like here's what you want you to feel. Here's what we're expecting. Oh, you're not. You know, for example, I had a patient, just a several years ago, 38 year old guy, low testosterone, game one shot of testosterone. In three days, he gained nine pounds. That's because he was a fast converter to estrogen.

Well, I couldn't have known that. I hadn't, you can't really know that. And so we had to put him on an estrogen blocker and three days later, he's way to come off. Oh my gosh. So there's a lot of different levers we have to turn, move, and the way I think about hormones is different. It's like kids in a playground. They have different personalities. There's some bullies like cortisol, insulin, estrogen, testosterone is like the happy social fun kid.

Everyone's a little bit of testosterone. There's thyroid, there's growth hormone, and the interaction of all those hormones setting up that playground is way more important than the individual one So the peptide though is a hormone if you are Scoring with the growth hormone. It's not technically a hormone It's a peptide that's gonna help you put out more More hormone right but it's safe and then some of the misconception people who are familiar with this We measure growth hormone levels with this marker called insulin like growth factor one one. When we use peptides, we don't really see the change in that number, but we know that the peptide is making that molecule more efficient in the side of the cells.

But then once you start, get it beyond this all the time. Well, what happens is that most people like it. Right? People like how they feel. There's an uptick in their energy, their sleep, their mood, physical fitness, recovery. So they like that. how they feel there's an uptick in their energy, their sleep, their mood, physical fitness recovery. So they like that. The way I look at it is aim for about three months,

and then we reevaluate. And the way we set up peptide schedules is take them Monday through Friday, take the weekends off. So we're putting a break within the cycle. So we don't over saturate the receptors, we can let things come off, and then bring them back. Do you notice it's becoming more popular

or are you still seeing those people who... I don't even think we've scratched the surface. Right, oh yeah, exactly. Like, it's getting started. No one really seems to understand. And so here are a lot of times people aren't even getting axed because of the FDA non-approval thing. People who can get, some people can't even get access to them.

Why is that? Well, there's peptide selling websites where people can order them themselves. But that's kind of, aren't those like black market, not black market gray market? No, not necessarily. It just, I think it's given a bad name because there's other peptide pharmacies who say, you shouldn't do that. It has to be an individualized prescription. There's some politics there, like anything. They gave it, yeah. But if you get down to it, peptides are super, super, super safe. So if someone's looking to optimize their health performance

from a variety of arenas, peptides are an amazing choice. Are you on a peptide? I'm on a couple of peptides. I had this health issue where this bracelet I'm on a blood thinner because I developed these blood clots to my liver veins a couple months ago. Fluxy thing, crazy sturs in the hospital, a couple of times. But I'm on a couple different peptides, three of them, to help my blood be thin, help my blood vessels, things like

that. I used to try, I've tried all the peptides, but now I have to be more selective, because of the blood than he medicine I'm on. Oh, really? Did you try to, were you on the epimuralin? For sure. And when did you see a difference in yourself? I liked it. Yeah, I felt good. I had more energy. I thought it was good. The GHRP-6, I didn't like that. I felt bloated on that. That's the one that causes severe hunger. So you're doing injections and tendons.

Oh, God, who wants, I don't need that. That's for sure. It needs to be hungerier. I'm starving. I would like to have like a suppressant. Do you have a peptide for suppressing the appetite? I don't think so. And getting lean at the same time.

I don't know if there's a peptide that makes you have a suppressed appetite. Well, I mean, I don't know. I mean, do they usually make you hungry here? No, it's just this one. That just that particular one. And that's a good one if you're looking to bulk up, get strong, so we have people who are looking

to put on muscle mass, it's an amazing one. Because then you're eating protein and you'll get big and strong quickly. Which one's your friend on? The one over there? He's on everything. What do you want? He came with a really healthy looking friend.

He's probably on everything. Yeah, he's probably on. I'm on everything. On everything. What peptide are you on? Right now I'm taking our recovery at shoulder injury. BPC. What's that?

BPC157, TB500, and GHKC. Oh my gosh. OK. Yeah, there's cosmetic peptides seven TB 500 and GHK C and copper. Oh my gosh, okay. Yeah, there's cosmetic peptides. You mentioned the GHK copper. Yeah, what's that? Um, so that's been the group in the wound healing world. And but we use it when we use during aesthetic procedures. So lasers, even Botox fillers, you can add GHK copper.

If you use PRP in the scalp, you add GHK copper systemically, you're going gonna get a better result. What is it called? GHK-CU. And what is that too? It has to do with copper exchange. It has to do with copper exchange which has to do with wound healing.

So it accelerates wound healing. Oh, okay. So on the skin, and then on the cells, same thing. Like you're getting a more efficient recovery process of the damage or the injury. Oh wow. Okay. That's a really good one. That's a good one. That's a good one.

There's a longevity one as well. It's different from... It's really confusing. I know. It's like alphabet soup. It is. That's why I think it's super important to have someone who's knowledgeable

because it's very confusing. It is confusing. And then like, that's why these things are, when it's too confusing, I get overwhelmed. For sure. I like it simple. That's how we do it. We just too confusing, I get overwhelmed. For sure. I like it simple. That's how we do it.

We just break it down by lifestyle. So if people want a fat loss, we use a fat loss peptide. Right. If you're looking to sleep, if you're looking, if you're had a lot of special forces guys and vets who need help, you know, kind of repairing their brain, professional athletes, we have one for that. We have one for longevity, one for skin. Yeah.

That's how we break it down. That's why a lot of people like to feel break it down. That way it's still confusing. If you ask questions, could you go down a rabbit hole? And like, on our website, we do a pretty good job of explaining each peptide, kind of how they're used, historically how they're used, how best to use it. What you were saying earlier about how people

are getting put on antidepressants and stuff like that. And most people, 50% of the people shouldn't even be on an antidepressant for all lots of different reasons. Are there peptides that could help with anxiety, antidepressant? Yeah, so there's two of them. Two of them, we use a lot. One is called CMax. These two were developed in Russia.

CMax, SCMAX, was developed in Russia. They give it to people after having a stroke or traumatic brain injury. What that does is it increases what's called the BDNF levels in the brain Which is like the juice that the neurons live in so it's a very powerful one to help people after an injury Or if they're feeling depressed or can't focus or we want to use a substitute for things like Adderall It's a great one then we combine that with Celenk. It's chemical cousin SELA and K Which taps into the GABA system, in our nervous system, which is the inhibitory neurotransmitter

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That's B-O-D-I dot com. Um, so then let's just, we're talking about the brain and I know you're huge into NAD. And you say you've been doing NAD way before it was even popular. Let's tell people, because I talk about NAD sometimes, but if they ever listen, but can you tell us what NAD is? Why it's important and why you're a big believer in can you tell us what NAD is? Why it's important and why you're a big believer in it? Yeah, so NAD is a B3 vitamin derivative. So chemical cousin in Iason was studied all the way back

in the 1930s, found to be helpful for two big things at the time. One was schizophrenia, the other was addiction. Right. Largely ignored by conventional medicine resurfaced in the 90s where people traveled to Mexico for intravenous NAD for addiction. In 2005, a gentleman from the States had a pain medicine addiction, traveled to Mexico,

got the therapy, changed his life. At the time, there was only one injectable NAD in the world, made by a South African company. So he purchased the distribution rights, what he still owns, and set up a clinic in Atlanta, called Executive Care, where all they do was addiction. I got to know him and then I don't remember the timing but we're talking probably six to seven years ago he got touched means that hey I need some help because he's not a doctor. I was big in the IV world and he's need some help kind of getting

information questions answered for people because people were starting to do more NAD. A lot of people still use it for addiction. We use it a little bit for addiction. But we kind of reshaped those first original protocols, which were very rigorous. And most people are familiar with the read online about NAD causing extreme stomach cramping taking six to eight hours. We re-engineered those protocols.

So most people can get through it one and a half to two hours at most. So if you're not an addict, what else would also the benefits of NAD and doesn't your body produce it naturally? So we get NAD from two dietary sources, tryptophaninisin, and then we do a lot of recycling of NAD. And so NAD is used by our mitochondria, the kind of the battery of each cell. And so one misconception is that we have one mitochondria per cell. We have thousands upon thousands per every cell. And so it's a lot of mitochondria. And so we need a lot of NAD. And so we need NAD to make ATP energy. It's the rate limiting substrate. So you want to do

anything in your life. Think of thought, move a finger, whatever. You need energy. And we know that as we get older, we do we're much less efficient at recycling NAD. So we make need energy. And we know that as we get older, we're much less efficient at recycling NAD, so we make less energy. So then we age, get cancer, diabetes, neurodegenerative disease. All these things are linked back to the mitochondria. The mitochondria, kind of the hotbed of research in terms of cancer prevention,

prevention of aging, prevention of diabetes, treating all of these conditions go back to the mitochondria. So NAD is literally the foundation, you could make the bullet clean, the foundation of life goes back to NAD. It's that important, that foundational. And when does it actually start, it starts to decrease in your own body? So everyone's different. And we're actually about to start doing testing, it has not commercially available yet, but we're actually going to start that hopefully soon

to figure some of that out, because that's an important missing piece is what our NAD levels are. We don't know, right? Right. And so we don't have that information, objective information to say, okay, here's where you are,

here's where we know you should be. So what I tell people, really, anyone who's interested in optimizing their health and performance should be involved with NAD. It's that powerful and I can say that because we've overseen more intravenous NAD treatments probably anywhere else in the world. It's transformational. I mean, I've done it a few times, it's only three times in that for IVs. I take Shrinai and Jen and I told you the supplement. But it's more NR. And there's a difference you said between NR. Yeah, so NR, important molecule NMM, those are precursors that help

you make more NAD inside that mitochondria. And so making more NAD leads you to be more efficient to make energy, ATP energy. So while those work, those are great. It's different than an IV. An IV is different, but then an IVs have to be used in my opinion a certain way too. We came up with a loading dose. We had to do five treatments in 10 days to get people started to kick it off. Oh, hold on, how many? Five treatments in 10 days. And that's because, again, observationally, most people doesn't kick in,

like going to the science, until about the fourth or fifth treatment. So, okay, so then then when I did it, I think I did like four or five times altogether. Yeah, I did one and then I did one maybe again in like two or three weeks or maybe a month or maybe a month. So you didn't do the proper loading dose. Right, and then I did it again and like maybe two months later.

It was random. Sure, no, we don't do anything random. So that doesn't help, your body doesn't take it. Oh, I'm sure it helps. Take it, okay. So part of the issue is, you know, and everyone's different, right? Different genetics, different stress,

different upbringing, different development, different all process, everything's different. But what we observed is what we need to that loading dose because when we give people NAD, we increase the NAD to NADH ratio in the cell. And the what? The NADH. To NADH.

Oh, okay. So NADH is actually the molecule's NAD+. Okay, right. Right. Right. And so we can increase that ratio, which is seemingly something called mitochondrial fission. Fission is splitting a removal of the defective mitochondria. This is where the quality control is brought back.

This is how you prevent cancer, prevent aging, prevent diabetes. It's a really magical molecule. That doesn't feel good. That's where people don't feel good. And it takes a good, again, observationally, about four or five treatments for them to stimulate synchal mitochondrial fusion. That's when you're bringing the mitochondria back together to make them more efficient. And now you're making way more ATP.

And that's when the light turns on for people. So uniformly, what we do is we'll do a loading dose. Again, most people, five treatments in 10 days, we seem back in a week and there's some uniform responses. My brain is getting bigger. I'm more creative. I'm sleeping less, but I have more energy. My mood's better.

Colors look brighter. I'm able to language more. I handle stress better. That's because you are filled up your tank. You have way more energy in your battery. And I think the analogy I use with people is, you know, when you first, when we're young, right, when you're six years old, you could run around 24 hours,

you get up next day, do it, you have so much energy. Right. Well now in your 46, can you try to do that? No way, right? Right. Well, I've not always, but. You just don't have the tools. Your battery takes a lot longer to recharge.

NAD makes that battery way more efficient. But then what happens? Because NAD, IVs are expensive. No joke, they're expensive. They're like a thousand bucks a night. Well, that's here. In our office, it's $450. Oh, so LA is just like, that's what I'm trying to say.

No, well, there's a lot of price counting. Yeah, I mean, so they is just like no, well, there's a lot of price counter. Yeah, I mean so they're only that still so for the for let's just say this for the for the Average Joe who doesn't have access right and I have an avar I mean anybody. I mean that's an expensive You know you have to be able to afford it. So what do people do well most so it's a choice right? You don't have to take was there a way that someone can get this without getting those so now there's all those like subcutaneous right so we do so cutaneous NAD so but it's fight the loadings is five treatments and then after that a loading dose I mean a maintenance dose of one per month so you you're not talking about as big of an expense like where we do it $450 per month

I think that's reasonable for most people. The high cost is the loading dose. Don't look. Okay, wait, so... Fort five treatments in 10 days, that one. And then on average, most people do once a month. But what was the other thing that you mentioned that you can do the subcutaneous? You can do subcutaneous speed on access to IV. We think, again, going back to the bioavailability.

Yeah. IV is 100%. We think of subcutaneous about 80%. Way better than 20% of oral. Right. so then you're doing a subcutaneous shot of NAD smaller dose on regular basis to get those NAD levels back up and that's a great option great option That's interesting. Okay, and Does it what happens like but what happens if you're after if you don't if you do your your program or if you Anything like anything like you stop doing it, does your body just kind of

Deplete that amount? So you're are you asking if you start NAD and then you stop? Yeah, I'd be worse exactly. I don't think so. Not worse But you kind of just go back like you just to complete this like how long is it last is basically? We think one one I'd be dreaming last about three weeks Okay, so these levels where we want them to be. So this is not like for it does it. This is not some of you do it one time and that it's not it's not going to cure anything. And I don't think there's a lot of cures out there. I think that's the wrong question. I think we want to maintain. Maintain. Right. So we do all these things to maintain

our nutrition and our fitness. If you stop exercising, you don't feel good after some point. Right? No. I mean, that's what I mean. So what? Right. So everything is a consistency really. Same thing with these injectable therapies. And I think people ask the wrong question, like, I only want to do a little bit. But why aren't you asking, why can't I be my best as much as possible? People come out of that way. They think I'm going to get away with the shortcut because it costs money. Well, soda is eating well and working out and doing all the things that, you know, wearing the clothes you want to wear and looking the way that's cost money too. Right. Right. No. But why don't you put the same question for how you want to feel and perform? Yeah. No, I agree. And I know there's a lot of, I mean, people really swear by NAD. And that's why, like I said, I take this, I take Trinidad and I take this pro version.

And I know it's not, it's NR, right? And it's like, I think it's like a craze, right? Not again, I forget where I am. But in the wellness space, I feel there's a lot of talk about NAD, confusion about NAD. There is. But there's a lot of other benefits. So what are the overall, it does help you cognitively set focus. So the way I think about it is it affects the nervous system first. The nervous system, okay.

All right, so. And your immune system does it overall? It can, yeah. But let's start with the nervous system. So it's going to help with your mood, help with your anxious. We have a lot of, it's been the rest that giving you case studies how people it's benefited. They're anxiety, they're depression, they're mood.

It helps people from traumatic brain injuries, again, with treated. Very, I'll tell you a quick story, just this just happened. We had a patient, he's in the army, and then, and they got discharged from there joined the police force and he was in a bad helicopter accident and got paralyzed from the knees down and he was referred to

us by a former Navy SEAL, came to our office this week and we do NAD and we also combine it sometimes with ketamine. That was my next question. And so he did your treatments and you know this guy has a ton of PTSD, major TBI, so much anxiety, depression, just he needs a lot of help but after two treatments so he, this was on Tuesday night after a second treatment he called me and he said I need some help, I can't, I can't be by. So we went and picked him up and spent the night with him You did. That was so nice of you Jeff and I yeah to talk talk talk through it

Yeah, to help him we spent you know before he went to bed several hours with him just you know Helping him understand that like we're just getting started like this is gonna be a new world for you You're not gonna be who you before, but there's so much more for you to explore. And a lot of that comes from that NAD helping, you know, kind of switch that nervous surround. And the ketamine helped open them up, surrender to being able to have those thoughts. So talk about ketamine then. There's a lot of talk about that helping with anxiety and depression. And again, another one that...

Yeah. And so what we found is, is again because we've been doing this a while combination of NAD peptides and ketamine for someone who wants to think their best and have the best outlook and to help their nervous system respond and operate in the highest level that combination that trifecta there's nothing quite like it. Really? Oh, it's amazing. And so, so Catamains an NMDA receptor antagonist, what that means is to keep it simple, a lot

of... Too late. Yeah. So that controls the neurotransmitter glutamate in the nervous system. Okay. Glutamate is probably the most needed neurotransmitter for forming or consolidating memories. So most of our personality is formed before the age of five for sure. And most of us have some PTSD related to milestones not being met. It doesn't have to be major trauma abuse and the black nothing.

You can just be, you just miss some milestones or things didn't work out. A lot of that happens through again again, sensory experience that you then process through your nervous system to form a memory. And so what ketamine does is because it's an NMDA receptor antagonist, it slows down that glutamate across that neuron or nerve group of neurons. So then you are able to literally see things a little bit differently. And when you slow down your thinking, and you get a lot of insight and clarity, while at the same time you're helping your neurons make new connections to then consolidate new memories to have a new perceived reality in your world. And so that's why it's very powerful in the PTSD setting. Because you literally help someone heal that

trauma very quickly. Wow. Yeah. And then we combine it with NAD because NAD is kind of the fuel. And then you sort of some peptides on board. Like I said that one peptide Cmax increased the median. And now you've got this combination where you're set up this nervous system for success. Oh wow. It's a very, very proactive way. And so can you, what happens if you solely take ketamine and not take the NAD or the peptide? I mean ketamine is going to have benefits on its own. So there's a lot of clinics now that are popping up again using intravenous ketamine, right? We don't use it intravenously, we use it intra muscully.

Why? Because we like to use intravenous NAD at the same time. Oh, is that time okay? But if you weren't doing that, would you use it intra muscully or not? We don't really ever use ketamine by itself. Because, no, because we get a lot of people are doing that. And again, there's a lot of people making a lot of money on that, which they don't need to be, because it's very, very inexpensive,

by the way, ketamine. Oh, it is? Super inexpensive. But people are charging a ton of money for it, which is what it is. But what we do is we'll combine ketamine with NAD, and see how people do. And then we created a nasal spray, which

has ketamine and oxytocin in it. That people can do it home. Oxytocin's the social body. A lot of hormones kind of provides a safe way. And nasal spray with ketamine? Yes. And oxytocin. Yes.

And you have it in here? Yes, right. We can figure that out. But it's been life-changing for so many. I mean, I talk to people every week who said this has been life-changing. Again, going back to this premise so many, I mean, I talk to people every week who said this has been life changing. Again, going back to this premise of like,

I don't want to just put band-aid somethings for people. I don't want people just to, oh, you take this medicine and we make a little progress. Like, we want to transform people's lives. Kedemines, one of those tools. Wow, so what would it do for the, again, when I don't mean the word average, like that, I just mean some who doesn't have me post-traumatic disorder

or have like a me, or they haven't had a major trauma that they're aware of. Sure. So what can it do for somebody who just wants to be, you know, optimal at their best or healthy? Yeah. Well, I think for sure. Well, I think a lot of us, besides the physical optimization, that's what I'm talking about. I'm not even talking physical. I'm talking just clarity of mind, thinking clear thoughts, and then being able to make neural connections, understanding the bigger picture in life, finding meaning in all of these things.

Through a nasal spray? Yes. How is that possible? Yeah, but it's because it's the ketamine. It sounds like a snake oil. It does, and there's a lot of people who would say it's such. But we've been doing this for years, and again, I get to talk to people all the time about this. Certainly every week or a time, it's been transformed their life.

How much is this nasal spray? It just depends. So I mean, probably anywhere from about $150 a month. And what is it? So you just spray it in your nose? Yeah. And there's different issues. Is it instantaneous?

No, it also helps people obviously are into doing meditation, right? And that's become very popular. Like, I have to, I'm not a good human unless I meditate, right? Like, what kind of mean we'll enhance the meditation experience because again. I'm not a meditator, my running is my meditation.

Yeah, movement meditation, yeah. So, but it'll enhance that meditation experience because again, it slows down the higher processing centers of your brain. Is it like, like weed? Different, different. When I was about smoke weed and then take that spray. I'm probably having a really good time.

Wow, is it kind of similar? No, they have different flavors. What's nice about, I mean both, right? So obviously. It'll have any on you. Why do you come here bearing gifts? So, so you know, obviously. I'm going to talk to you a white lady.

I'm going to tell you a little. Training you better. That's right. A marijuana obviously is becoming legalized now. And we recognize all of the health benefits, right? Certainly safer than alcohol. Yeah. A lot of good to come from the healing properties.

I mean, ketamine is payy backing on that. So it's, again, different molecules doing different things. But at the same time, we're helping people to handle, modulate, stress in their world in a more, you know, healthy manner than just drinking all day. So wait, but if you're taking the ketamine, the nasal spray, the ketamine with the oxytocin, the fat combo, what does that combo? Like, you must be happy all day. Well, you know, it. You're not only experiencing only last about an hour.

It's very common. Can you get addicted to it? I'm sure you could. It's a great feeling. The oxytocin isn't, I would imagine, it's not great for drug addicts to be taking this thing. Well, it could be actually because we- Oh, instead of taking that, you can take that. Well, we're just helping to repair a brain that's not working well right so if we look at what happens with addiction not too far down this rabbit hole but in many ways addiction is the way I look at it is and I think we get it wrong in this country because we

treat addiction the opposite we say the opposite of addiction is sobriety. Yeah and if you if you re-focus and say the opposite of addiction is actually connection for most addicts there they become addicted to heroin or cooking, whatever, because that became the first hug in their life. Right? And if you all of a sudden take that away and don't replace that with some other purposeful meaningful thing, why would they ever stop? Right?

Yeah. They wouldn't. So where actually where NAD comes in is is NAD is very, the most powerful thing we've ever found to turn off cravings. It only takes about two or three treatments and they don't have craving for tobacco, anything. Got people off of oxycom alcohol, you name it, we get them off that stuff. And then you can potentially use ketamine on the back end to help provide some purpose and clarity to their thinking. So then you give them the bigger picture of, okay, I don't want to continue just taking a substance

to feel better. I need to find a different purpose in my life. Okay, and so if you're just someone like who just wants to be at a high performer, you can take it to be more focused, more alert, more creative. Yeah, slow down your thinking, understand what's happening,

if you're problem solving, wonderful for problem solving. You mean other things that's good for other benefits? Not like that's not enough, but can you work out on it? No, it's very calming. Can you yoga on it? Yeah, you can. Or can you watch a movie? Well, if you watch a movie or you watch TV on it, it gets a little weird because you start

understanding the intentions of the people and the people. No joke like you see, like I understand now what the director was trying to do in this scene. It's like, wait, I'm telling you, it's like basically, it's like basically, it's like basically. It's a different feeling, different experience. And do you take this all the time? Not all the time. But you do take it sometime, for sure.

Well, this is like interesting. Okay, so I feel like, okay, and so I asked you what the fast vitamin NAD talked about of hormones, peptides, what else can I even ask you? Is there anything else that you're doing over there in South Carolina that I should be familiar with? We do a lot of NAD treatments, we do a lot of IVs.

We have actually a red light there. We actually have an intravenous laser we use on people where we shine the light inside their vein. Now that's interesting. So I've been doing this red light for my adabad knee, so I was doing that for inflammation. Now I'm doing it for my face. They say it's great for fine lines.

It's great. What else is it? How do you use an IV? So we use a fiber optic. For red light. Well, we have a couple of colors in light. So we put in a fiber optic kind of red into the IV catheter and then you hook up a diet laser diet.

So we'll send red, blue, green, yellow, light. I'll never see that. Are people doing that here? I have no idea. And what is it doing? We'll start with, you know, if we get this practice open here, we'll definitely do it here. I've never seen that. Are people doing that here? I have no idea. And what is it doing with the purpose of that? We'll start with, you know, if we get this practice open here, we'll definitely do it here.

Yeah. Well, just like you're using, you're saying, but just more. Well, you're using red light, because you're using it as an anti-inflammatory tool to shine on a specific region on your body. When you shine it entrylessly, you're getting it everywhere.

Everywhere. Yeah, so it's just a different approach. Who thought of that? I certainly didn't, but there's a company, it's just laser from Germany that we bought. Now, are it's just a different approach. Who thought of that? I certainly didn't but there's a company It's this laser from Germany that we bought are people actually using it. We use it We use a lot so we use you know, we do a lot of Exosomes that was when that's what I have here that didn't ask me it's right over here. Yeah, what is that? Exosomes are acyl there so they're not live cells

We think of them like the envelope that carries a message. Like stem cells They're basically signaling molecules. So when you take exosomes like stem cells You're gonna signal for an anti-inflammatory cascade To go wherever you put it. So we do it intravenously because then we can hit the whole body But say you need injury. Yeah, we'll do a lot of this local injection rule take exosomes We'll mix it with some peptide like BPC and some other things. It's like stem cells It's like stem cells. Okay, and then we'll inject that into your knee and then we'll take exosomes, we'll mix it with some peptide like BPC and some other things. Is it like stem cells? It's like stem cells. Okay.

And then we'll inject that into your knee and then we'll give you IV stem cells and shine the light on you. And that's a, I mean we have great success with that for local injuries. So how is exosome different than a stem cell? So stem cells are live cell, right? But a lot of them come from, you know, publicly-dominated umbilical cords, mostly from cesarean section, tested, filtered mixture, but the differences exosomes are aces,

they're not live cells, whereas stem cells are live cells. Right. I think exosomes are gonna survive longer than stem cells. You do? Yeah, there's gonna be a lot more scrutiny about stem cells,

cause the FDA, cause they're live cells and how you manipulate or use those cells is coming into question. Whereas exosomes, they're not live cells but they're still signaling molecules. Exosomes will likely replace PRP if you're familiar with PRP and play the rich plasma because they're so much stronger on the regenerative side. Because we use that PRP when you get microneedling beauty things like that. We do that with exosomes. Instead of PRP. Yeah. And what happens? So what we'll do is you know, microneedling

or we'll do different laser treatments open up the, you know, pores and then topically you can rub on exosomes and we've sent people home with the exosomes to do it later in the day or that evening. To then get a more regenerative effect. This is amazing. I wish I lived in South Carolina just for like a couple months to get all these things. Well we do we have people I mean every week

people come to our office and my wife runs the aesthetic side and so we'll do the you know we do all the regenerative side and then people come come for NAD or X-Zone kind of mean then while they're there they're gonna get you know cool peel, fraxel all that you know because they can do it all in the same place. And so it's that premise of when people look at they wanna feel good and reverse-streetly, look at they wanna feel good. So we can do it all and combine.

And really the magic and the cool part going into the future is combining all these therapies and safe ways that really accelerate how quickly we can make up ground. Wow, this is amazing. I've learned something, I feel like I've learned something. I feel people feel that they've also learned something. I'm a little more confused, but yet I have to say on some things, but I'm not confused.

I sometimes have a lot of time, do you have too much information at once? You can get a little bit confusing. But you do a lot of cool stuff. We do. We're very privileged. We're very privileged. And we're big fans of, you know, people try on air. That's the way people learn. Yeah. You can read about it all day long and talk about it until you try injecting a peptide into you. How do you know? I you don't. And I want people to have all the options. You know, I don't want it to be like, oh, you can't use a peptide or you can't use a hormone. Don't do that. Why not?

That's the only way you're going to know. That's true. It's trial and error. Yep. So how do people know how to find you know about, like, how do they get more information if they're curious? Probably two main source. One is our website, which is connoberwellness.com.

And then on Instagram, it's really the only social media we do is at Connoberwellness. And we enjoy talking about this. We have a whole video series we did for COVID about immune system optimization where we cover all these topics. I think we've 12 or 13 different videos that people can watch just to learn because it a little more educated people are. And for better or for worse, there's a lot of people, doctors and practices jumping into this space because they say, oh, this is the next thing. And there's not a lot of knowledge that comes from that. And so that's what we do training.

We have people literally physicians come to Charleston every single week and spend a day with us where we are an open playbook. And we want to collaborate with them to help them help their patients. Because that's incredible. Yeah, the more people are doing this stuff, the better for all of us. Well, thank you so much for being on the phone. Well, thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. And I love talking about this stuff. So thank you of us. Wow, well thank you so much for being on the phone. Well thank you for having me, I really appreciate it.

I love talking about this stuff, so thank you. Oh, good, you can come back again. Thank you. And I'm going to try some of these things and then you do like a recap together. Okay. And I'll say this is good, I hate that. Yeah. Yeah, that type of, I wouldn't say well I would have to.

I actually hate it, so. I don't think I would. Yeah. I really appreciate you being here. Well thank you, I appreciate you having me. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right guys, we're out.

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