Haunted Cosmos - Bigfoot (Part II)

Episode Date: October 18, 2023

In this episode of Haunted Cosmos, Brian and Ben continue Season Two by concluding our introductory series on Bigfoot! It is a phenomenon that has captured the imagination and fears of man for all of history. In Part II we ask, what if there is such a thing as Bigfoot and what if he is a bit "extra-natural"? Love Haunted Cosmos? Get access to our exclusive show, The Dusty Tome, early ad-free access to main episodes, monthly AMA's, and livestreams with Ben and Brian by becoming a patron of the show: https://www.patreon.com/c/HauntedCosmosBuy the Haunted Cosmos book: https://www.newchristendompress.com/cosmos PS: It's also available as an audiobook!This episode is also sponsored by Bible Discovery Television. Check them out at their website here.This episode is also sponsored by Squirrelly Joe's Coffee.Visit their website here to purchase your first bag! Share Coffee. Serve Humbly. Live faithfully. This episode is also sponsored by Private Family Banking Partners. Email them at:  [e-mail] — For a free book go to: www.protectyourmoneynow.net—or if you want to make an appointment to talk to a wealth advisor click on the calendar link here: https://calendly.com/familybankingnow/30min.Support the show

This episode of Haunted Cosmos is brought to you by Right Response Ministries, Bible Discovery TV, private family banking, Squirrely Joe's Coffee, and our supporters at patreon.com. Did you know that patrons get early access to ad-free main episodes, as well as an exclusive weekly show, The Dusty Tome? Support the show today and get these benefits and more. And now, on with the show. Westmoreland, Pennsylvania was a relatively quiet region for most of its history.

A collection of small townships pepper the countryside. Good place to raise a family. Agrarian, rural, quiet. The locals were content with a simple way of life. However, all of this would change in the mid-1960s. In that time, something happened that was so weird, so swept under the rug, and yet so effective in inspiring public confusion and fear that it actually changed the little county forever,

forever putting it on the map of high strangeness for those who keep up with such things. But before I tell you about that event, I need to actually jump ahead and tell you about some of the things that happen in the years after it. In the early to mid-1970s, some years after this mysterious happening that I'm being very vague and mysterious about, the towns of Kexburg, Sleepy Hollow, and Derry, all within the county line of Westmoreland, experienced what is perhaps the highest concentration of alleged Bigfoot encounters in such a small area and in such a short time, just 10 years. It got so bad that some of the townsfolk bandied together to first. form an investigative body that would act as a data collection service. Anyone who encountered Bigfoot, single moms, couples on joy rides, police officers, anybody,

could call into this group and give all the details. If it was credible enough and strange enough, they would even go on site to conduct an investigation, interview witnesses, and sometimes even perform psychological evaluations on the experiencers. What follows are a select few of the more prominent and important cases that were reported and investigated. The stories begin simply enough, with many people in 1970 calling in to report brief and one-off sightings of a massive, hairy beast running through a field or stalking around the forest line at the edge of their pasture. But quickly, things became a bit more complicated. In one case, two friends were driving home after dark on the quiet country roads when they noticed a weird light off to the side of the road up ahead. It wasn't very bright, more of a subtle glow, but in the dark rural area, it stood out.

As they got closer, still driving normally and not paying the strange light too much mind, they noticed the light start to jostle around and move erratically, still floating just off the side of the road. As they rounded a corner, the headlights of the car illuminated probably the last thing they expected to see. A massive Sasquatch sort of awkwardly sprinting towards the tree line of the forest reserve. If that isn't weird enough, just hang on for a second. It gets weirder. In its hand, the creature has to be a little.

held what the friends described as a white glowing orb. As the car approached still closer, the strange creature picked up the pace and made it to the trees before they could notice any more details. They certainly were not about to go chasing after it into the dark forest. But the show wasn't quite over yet. Soon after the creature disappeared into the shadows, a striking beam of golden light fired into the sky from behind the trees. The women's eyes traced the path of light up into the night, where it met with a strange,

red dot high in the sky. In another strange incident, this time in October of 1973, four separate groups totaling 15 people filed independent reports in the same night. These groups, all within the same area of Westmoreland, saw what they described as a large, building-sized ball in the sky. It was glowing bright red and hovering just 100 feet off the ground. Pulsing with light like that of a spinning lighthouse lamp, witnesses reported feeling a kind of morbid curiosity that was tinged with dread.

Apart from the obvious weirdness of the scene, something else was wrong, something deeper. One of these groups of witnesses included George Kowalczyk and his two twin nephews. As the trio rode to Grandma and Grandpa's house in George's truck, they spotted this bright red object. After they arrived at George's parents' house, they all decided to drive down one of the dirt roads on the property to get a closer look. While all three went along, it's worth noting that one of the boys was petrified with fright. He didn't want to go, but he was more afraid of staying behind

and missing the adventure. Eventually, they hopped out of the truck and went on foot across pastures and over fences to get a better look at the strange anomaly. But as they approached another fence line, they encountered far more than they expected. Creeping out of the dim red twilight were two things. They moved in single file, one in front of the other. The leader was a dark and lanky creature hunched over at the upper spine but clearly massive with arms dangling down to its knees. The creature behind was much smaller but similar in shape, almost like it was the child of the massive grotesque nightmare that stood before them. And the behavior was strange too that the tall one would creep some distance forward before stopping to make a weird whistling noise, after which

the smaller thing would creep up a short distance behind the leader, then stop and wait for the next call. Now remember, it was very dark out. The massive red orb was at this point almost the only source of light, enough to notice the silhouettes of these two creatures, but not enough to distinguish much other detail. George and the boys couldn't make out any of the finer characteristics of the things.

In an effort to get some extra light then, George shouldered his rifle and started firing tracer rounds in the direction of the creatures. He later claimed that this was purely for the light of the tracers, but the idea that maybe the terrified man and also wanted them to serve as warning shots doesn't seem too far-fetched to me. In a small amount of light provided by these shots, George saw the creature stop and turn to stare directly at him. At this point, the fear of the situation took hold of the more anxious nephew, and he actually sprinted

the entire half-mile back home, not even waiting for his brother and uncle back at the truck. The other twin, now noticeably less excited about the whole scene than he was before, begged his uncle to kill the monster. by the flight of the one nephew and the terrified demands of the other, as well as his own fear, George fired three rounds, this time aiming directly at the larger of the two beasts. Judging by the sound of the impact and the flinching reaction of the thing, George was sure that each shot had landed on target. But that was it. No other effect seemed evident from the shots. The creature gave no cry, he didn't run away, he didn't fall to the ground, he just stood there, staring back at George with intense focus.

At this point, George and the remaining nephew raced back home. They were grateful to find the other twin already back, though his condition was not good. He was wild with fear, almost manic. He would spend the next few years seeing a series of psychologists to get help with his constant nervous breakdowns. Strangely, his dreams were haunted with images of cities, cities that he knew, burning to the ground, to the soundtrack of screams and cyrus. Not long after the Wild Night with George and his nephews, in the small town of Derry, Pennsylvania, a man claimed to have hit a big foot with his car while traveling at high speed, fast enough to seriously damage the front end of his vehicle.

As he looked down on the creature that he just slammed into, his flickering and dimmed headlights revealing the monster, the creature suddenly vanished. It didn't run away quickly. It didn't fall down dead. No, it vanished. Vanished into thin air like salt stirred into water. Around the same time, a fisherman in Sleepy Hollow recorded an encounter involving a lanky and gigantic monster with patches of mangy hair stalking him down a river.

The fisherman ran for his car but couldn't drive away before the Sasquatch stuck its head into the window, bellowing at the man. He honked his horn to distract the creature before speeding away. And if all the things to notice, the one most prominent feature the man couldn't forget was the utter lack of any smell on this otherwise disgusting thing. It smelled almost sterile, a smell void of character. But why was all of this supposedly happening in the first place? Why was there a team gathering these stories?

Why would there even need to be? Was there some kind of catalyst for the sudden rise of these bizarre sightings in Pennsylvania? Well, glad you asked. The year was 1965. On a quiet December evening in Kexburg, a strange and fiery object fell from the sky. People in six U.S. states and two Canadian provinces reported seeing the object's fall. Chalking it up to a bright meteor, everyone sort of moved on.

But the people in Kekshberg didn't have that luxury. Because the object wasn't just sighted from their vantage point. It landed there. Reports of the first witnesses on the scene described the object not as a meteor, but as an acorn-shaped metallic craft with hieroglyph-style engravings around. its perimeter. They said the object was also not simply static but that it would pulse and glow with white light. Soon after finding the object, the National Guard, Army, Air Force, and other official-looking men in black suits driving black cars were seen coming in and out of the Kexburg

area. They would bring in flatbed trucks that were totally empty and then they would leave with them full of something, something they were always very careful to cover. They allegedly paid local teenagers to stay away from the crash site and to tell their friends to stay away as well, spreading the rumor that nothing had happened, nothing weird, nothing was found, nothing had really fallen there. But the problem was, calls to local police began flooding in almost immediately, with many citizens talking about weird, unknown animals stalking their property and even peering into their homes. The police had no idea what to do, and thus a local man named Stan Gordon formed the previously mentioned an investigative body to help investigate this novel problem.

Stan's group ranged from concerned resident to decorated scientists and everything in between. For many years, they documented these sightings in strange events, interviewed witnesses, and sought to connect the dots in a web of high strangeness encounters that had suddenly seemed to be woven throughout their small and sleepy community. One of the men who volunteered to gather and investigate the reports was named Barry Clark. Originally, he was not so convinced that anything of note was really going on, chalking it up to bad eyewitness testimony with a sprinkle of mass hysteria. As time wore on, though, and the reports didn't stop, but rather increased in frequency

without any sacrifice of consistency or conviction from the reporters, he decided something must be going on. One of his first cases came in the form of a very bright and new star appearing above a certain farm every night. The star would seem to change color as it lingered in the same. the sky before glowing brighter and brighter red as it slowly descended to the earth. It would stop just before touching the ground. From there, it would eventually dim and rise back up before vanishing. Barry actually went to the farm and observed this phenomena himself, not relying

on hearsay or secondhand reports. But as he watched the inexplicable object move towards the earth, with its strange and growingly vibrant hue of red, he became so terrified that he actually fled the scene and resigned from the investigative. Soon after these events, he was running an errand down a familiar country road. He'd made this trip dozens of times before he knew the route. He knew how long it would take, about 30 minutes or so. When he arrived at his destination, he suddenly realized he had forgotten the drive. Now, we've all been there.

You get to a familiar place, and for some reason, you try to remember the drive you just took, only to find that you can. Your mind wandered to some other situation. You were mulling over a problem, a conversation. in your head, and you just sort of drove on autopilot to whatever destination you were heading. Only for Barry, he really couldn't remember it, as in he didn't even know that he had been driving, if that makes sense. He just remembered getting in his car and heading to this place. Adding to the confusion was the time it took him to get there. See, without this detail,

he probably would have just chalked it up to that autopilot thing that we all knew. But But again, remember, he knew this 30-minute route. He knew how long it took. He'd done this drive many times before. So why had multiple hours passed since he left his home? He realized he was missing hours of time with absolutely no recollection of what happened. Where did it had gone?

What happened to him in that blank stretch of mental fog? In the year of Our Lord, 2021, deep in the Lomian damp forests of the Olympic Peninsula of Washington State, a team of Bigfoot researchers, part of a TV show called Expedition Bigfoot, were tracking what they thought might be a large animal downriver. One of the team members, a primatologist named Maria Mayer, was perplexed. She was very skeptical of the whole Bigfoot research scene, but she was more than willing to join the study for what was now their third expedition.

After all, maybe there was some large and large, undocumented primate haunting the woodlands of North America. Given the strange activity she'd experienced over the previous two expeditions, and even in the past days of this third one, she was finally feeling confident that they may be hot on the heels of the elusive primate still waiting to be discovered. And so with growing hope and excitement,

she kept a sharp eye on the ridge line that loomed over them on the opposite bank of this river. Her partner on this trip, a man named Ronnie LeBlanc, was a little different. Where Maria's bent as towards the skeptical and empiric, Ronnie leaned into his intuition and a deep well of belief that these creatures do exist. He's what you might call a true believer in this whole Bigfoot phenomenon.

The physical, the spiritual, he's there for all of it, and he thinks it's all true. Together they form an interesting pair, finding some kind of middle road between their wildly differing dispositions, a meeting point of healthy skepticism and the zeal of unshakable conviction. As they traced the winding river, that ridge on the opposite bank grew more and more sheer,

eventually morphing into a cliff of eroded dirt some 20 or 30 feet high. Coinciding with this change in the landscape, the daylight began to give way to a clear night with a bright moon. And it's around this point where things took a turn, whether for good or bad, you'd have to ask them now that they've had time to think about it a little bit more. As they walk, they begin to hear rocks falling off of that cliff across from them. and they come across what looks to be like a fish trap fashioned from sticks in a calmer part of the creek. Maria swears she saw some sort of animal eye shine a couple of times as she glanced up at the thickly wooded cliff top. So she grabbed a thermal camera and the whole team paused to see if something would happen.

Well, something did happen, but it wasn't something on the thermal camera and it wasn't something up on the top of the cliff. With all eyes fixed, some 30 feet up in the air, someone thought they heard. heard something in the creek, something that didn't fit with the normal white noise of flowing water. They quickly turned their light on and brought the camera down to catch one is one of the most shocking clips of film we've ever seen. It appears, clearly, by the way, not fuzzy, that the shadow of a bipedal creature was walking in the water, and as the light uncovers it, it quickly vanishes into thin air. It's honestly a surreal and sobering piece of footage, clear as day, a assuming everything is authentic, which we know is an assumption, but at least go there with us for a moment.

There is what looks like a shadow person caught in the clear light of the camera, walking towards them, and then dissolving until it's invisible. What is all of this? Is there really something to the Sasquatch phenomenon? Or is it all a bunch of hoaxing and feverish imagination? And another question, yes, the Bigfoot phenomenon is often categorized neatly in the bucket of the natural world, an elusive animal that's currently unknown to science. But isn't that clean or is it that simple?

In this episode of Haunted Cosmos, we'll try our best to shake your assumptions and see what happens when you ask, what if Bigfoot isn't an animal at all? Well, welcome back to Haunted Cosmos, listeners. We are glad that you're joining us here for part two of our initial sweep of this Bigfoot phenomenon.

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Just guys being dudes. It is, and you know what? We're not, though. We are not, we are bipedal. We are by, but we are not very, well, we're kind of hairy, but not as hairy as a bigfoot. I just wanted to be on record that I'm hairier than you. There's only one way to find out.

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We've got Bigfoot mugs. We've got all kinds, which maybe you won't want after this episode. Yeah, that's true. Like, I never. It's true. I think my initial design, I don't know if this actually stood by the time this episode comes out, it said never-trusted Nephilim.

Yeah. Which is pretty funny. But anyway, we're glad that you're here for part two of our, just this is an initial 30,000-foot view of the Bigfoot phenomenon. We're probably going to talk about this. I mean, I'm assuming many more times, Lord willing. Yeah, I mean, you could do at least one episode of season. Yeah. Deep dive on some specific event or something.

The PGF. Dude, we got to get the PGS. You can do a whole season on the PGF. Last episode. episode, episode three of season two, we talked about the Bigfoot phenomenon from a very specific angle. And that angle is essentially just limiting the Bigfoot phenomenon to the question of what is the best physical evidence or evidence that Bigfoot is real and he is just an animal. Right. That he's just an undiscovered, previously unknown species of primate or something

and that he's just somehow eluded capture out in the British Columbia woods or, you know, in the Himalayas, or in Florida skunkate. Way to go, pronouncing it. Oh, yeah. Thank you for noticing. It's the Himalaya. Yeah, I know. It's actually not. You know, it's like when people say, I'm going to Paris.

Well, earlier in the cold open, you read the word details, and I was ready for you to say details. Details. And I was going to be annoyed. It's so funny that I actually noticed that I said it wrong when I said. anyway. I'm glad you said details. Anyway, this episode is much more interesting, in my opinion. 100%. Way more interesting.

I'm so excited for this episode because in this episode, we're asking the simple question. Yeah. What if there's something more to all of this? What if? Namely, something supernatural. What if Bigfoot is a demon? Is a spear entity. That's right, actually.

What if? You know what? Let's not jump the gun. We don't even, let's not say, oh, Bigfoot's a demon. Okay? Let's just say... I think I literally said that in the last episode.

Well, let's... Hopefully not that voice. We recant. Yeah, no, no. No one remembers. You're right. And then, yeah, we're just asking like, okay, well, what if he is a spirit entity? Some kind of, what if there's some interdient?

What if there's some non-physical element? Yes. Yes. And he's like, okay, first of all, what if it's real? Right. And he's not just an animal. We're making the assumption that it's real. We're just, we're making... If you don't believe in Bigfoot in the year 2020,

Then you have your head. You need to touch grass. Okay. Bro. Your head is in the sand. Touch grass. Grass. Don't be like,

don't be one of those modern people that they watch too much TV and they don't get on the internet enough. Like, if you're a good modern person, you know that Bigfoot is real. It's like people often say the baby boomers,

they watch too much TV and not enough internet. Yeah. And the Zoomers literally don't know what TV is. Right. They're like, do you mean streaming on Netflix? They have like YouTube on the TV while they're also watching a different YouTube video on their phone.

On their phone with an AirPont. And their computer is like on Instagram while they're tweeting unhinged right wing conspiracies. You know what? And listen, those are our people. Yeah, we love you for it. Welcome. You are welcome here. You are.

This is a safe place. This is your place for you. Well, in this episode, guys, we're not going to be neatly packing away Bigfoot like Ben said into just, we're not really trying to diagnose what kind of spiritual thing. is necessarily yet. Yeah. I might like throw out some ideas because I just didn't help myself. But why not? We're not going to get too in depth about it.

But we're just going to look at some parallels that these Bigfoot narratives have with other types of high strangeness with spiritual overtones. Yeah. Things that in season one, we've pointed out a lot and said like, hey, these are harbingers or markers of often demonic activity or some sort of spiritual activity. Yeah. Let's list some of those things out a little bit. Well, yeah, if this is your first episode, if you're joining us, first of all, welcome.

Welcome. And secondly, I would refer you back to episodes two and three, season one, on the Mothman. Those themes are going to be heavy here. And then also episode, the last episode of season one, evangelistic alien. Because we really dial in and funnel down on what type of things might indicate to you that this is, that there's something more going on here than just physical, something like an overwhelming sense of dread. Telepathy is always a big one where you think that there's, either you think something is

in your head or you actually hear voices in your head. You hear it speaking to you mentally. Even the smell thing from the cold open where there was a complete lack of smell. Yep. Or in other stories, it's this hugely like oppressive. Sulfuric. Yes, like death smell. It just smells horrible.

Those are the type of things that you should be having in mind as we go through these stories. I mean, today's episode is really story heavy. Yes, it is. It's not as much commentary because remember we're not really trying to categorize yet, at least. We're just trying to get people thinking in terms of like, well, yeah, what if there's something spiritual? What if there's something supernatural going on? So if you have those stories and those episodes from season one in mind, as you listen to today's episode, I think that you'll actually be pretty compelled by the idea that there is something supernatural going on here.

Yeah, you're going to see connections with shadow people. You're going to see connections with impressions, with psychic phenomena, with UFO activity, and how these things aren't so cleanly categorized in terms of the evidence. When you start to look at the witness evidence especially and just what people over and over say that they're experiencing and seeing, unless they're all lying or all mistaken, these things genuinely are associated with some other phenomena that makes me think that there is a deeper conspiracy going. going on. Okay. A deeper spiritual conspiracy going on with all of this high strangeness phenomena. And that fundamental, I'm literally given like my metathesis of the supernatural right now.

I was going to say, like, don't stop. And that literally what is happening is that in high strangeness situations, whether you're talking about cryptids or ghosts or UFOs or many of these other things, that at least a significant portion of it can be explained by malevolent spiritual entities wearing different masks. Yes. Different uniforms. Different uniforms. Same company that they're working for. Participating in the same play, working for the same team, in different realms or different aspects of the world. So, anyway, anyway, that said.

I want to unpack a few things from the cold open. Yeah. Kind of given that brief, you know, brief introduction. But I think it's the necessary, it's really all the necessary groundwork we have to lay. This reminds me, the whole Kexburg thing, the Westmoreland County stuff, reminds me so much of the Mothman events because it's this really concentrated time. It's a timeline of high, a high frequency of events, all around the same theme of Bigfoot slash also UFO stuff. Kind of like how Mothman was, Mothman, UFO, Indrid Cold.

Indrid Cold. Native American lore. Yeah, there's orbs involved in these as well. Yeah. But in this case, it's a little bit different because the mothman was this high concentration of events leading up to the Silver Bridge collapse. And then it kind of trickled off from there. Whereas this is different. It's this big event, this flame in the sky that apparently, you know, people in six states and two Canadian provinces saw.

And it is documented. They did see that. And then from that event, you get all these things. And now it's kind of died off too. So it just makes you wonder what has changed? Yeah. Why was it so concentrated and then it stopped? People will like to chalk something like this up to mass hysteria.

Yeah, mania. Which is the most unsatisfying thing in the world. It really is. But yeah, I mean, I kind of want to hear your thoughts on it. Like, how do you think this relates to the mothman? What kind of lessons can we take away from something like this? Again, I almost preempted you a little bit because a lot of what I think this tends to show is that when you have weird, unnatural, high strangeness events.

A lot of the time they're like grapes, and they come in clusters. And they're not all the same sort of experience. Where, you know, think about a mania situation. Where the story is, we saw a craft come down from the sky. It was witnessed in a lot of places, but it crashed here. Immediate government intervention, the everybody from the FBI to the National Guard is showing up, men in black are there,

you know, shoeing people away, coming up with plausible stories for what really happened. Or just denying anything happened. Yeah, an acorn-shaped craft with hieroglyphs on the side of it, like an episode of ancient aliens

has crashed in Kexburg before ancient aliens even existed. Which... So there's time travel? No. So then think about this. What kind of story, if you want to get in on that?

If you're like, I'm going to get in on this mania and I'm going to tell, I want some attention, which people do. People make stuff up all the time. People on meth make stuff up. People on alcohol.

People think it's cool to do alcohol. People on nothing. Yeah. And then they just want attention. And they make up stories. People in the comments, by the way, in our Apple podcast reviews, they're always, like,

all the one-star reviews say, like, cringe internet lingo. I'm not sorry. I would like to take this opportunity to not apologize. Yeah. And I also announced that I will, be becoming worse. After careful

consideration, we have decided to become worse. Anyway, if you want to get in on that, what kind of story are you going to go to the newspaper? Are you going to tell? You're going to tell an alien. Oh, I saw a Light on the Sky. I'm not going to tell a Bigfoot story. You're not going to say, I ran into a Bigfoot. Right. You're not going to say, I saw a large, mangy fur animal creature running through the woods with an orb in his hand. Right. You're not.

Oh, I hit a big ape person, and then they dissolved. into thin air. You're not going to do that. You will tell a related story. I mean, at least unless you're playing 4D chess. So to me, I think you see that some of these things are obviously hoaxed and fake and made up and whatever, and people do just want to get in on it. But I think there's an element of clustering that happens with these things that show that they're not isolated, they're not hermetically sealed off from each other.

These are related phenomena. Yeah, people lie, but people don't only. lie. It was not only lie. That's not what, that's not the only thing people do. And so you,

yeah, you really do have to approach this with a lens of skepticism at first, but then also giving people the benefit of the doubt, like examine the fruit of the community.

This isn't a community full of meth heads. That's like a farming. This is a farming community where people are just raising a family. Yeah. Probably one of those communities that would,

would err on the side of natural skepticism towards something like this. Like Barry Clark, the guy in the cold open. Yeah. Where he thought all of this was nonsense.

And then he goes and actually experiences something himself. Yeah. And he's terrified for the rest of his life. Mm-hmm. And so I just want to point out that, like, this is sort of an event that's a catch-all. Like, you have everything in this. You have the shadow people where the Bigfoot vanishes after it's hit by a car. Of course, you have the UFO connection.

That's an easy one. That's what started the whole thing. Mm-hmm. You have this almost like a Skinwalker ranch type immortality from the Bigfoot that was shot three times by the guy. Yeah. It reminds me of the wolf that the shark. Sherman's fired at. The dire wolf, for sure.

Actually, just literally, it was a skinwalker. Just the immortal skinwalker. It was a demon skinwalker. It was a demon skinwalker. Let's be honest. But one of the things that struck me researching for this episode was actually the orb. The Bigfoot that was carrying the white orb that two women saw. And it made me think of all of those relief carvings in the ancient near east where these

like Babylonian or Sumerian gods are holding out this like bag. that's glowing. Have you seen these Instagram reels about this? It's super, it's really fascinating. You manage the Haunted Cosmos Instagram, which means the algorithm is trained on a particular... No, this is my own instance. It's just me.

It's really fascinating. I have not seen this, no. A lot of these engravings of the mythical kind of gods, like, blanking all the names. The gods bringing the knowledge to man kind of thing? Yeah, well, both. It's like the stories of them bringing the knowledge, but then also if they're ruling here.

Like the Babylonian gods that would rule, the seven kings or whatever. Like Marduk? Yeah, like Marduk, thank you. Like Marduk before the big flood. And he's holding out like this glowing bag of something. And it's not just in Mesopotamia or Babylon. It's like all over the place. It's in Egypt as well.

And so the idea of, you know, the two ancient aliens folks that's been on Joe Rogan's podcast, is that these are like their batteries or their, Are you talking like, is this Graham Hancock stuff or something different? I think Graham Hancock has brought it up some, but I didn't hear it from him. I heard of another people. This sounds less hinged than Graham Hancock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is just strange that you always have it there.

Like, I think that there was even something on Gobeck the Tepe that was akin to this. And so people seem to think that it's supposed to be glowing. I don't know how they get that idea. That's just the impression that people are like, oh, yeah, it's supposed to be glowing. But that it's some kind of power source or some sort of. or some other means of asserting authority. And really, the only connection I'm trying to make is asking, like, why are there orbs?

In so many supernatural occurrences, a common through threat in all of it, like haunted houses, demon possession, all of it is there's glowing orbs. Yeah, there's even, you know, Skinwalker Ranch in Utah, and then jump over to Arizona and Bradshaw Ranch, which is a related area of weirdness with government involvement. And there's a guy who seems really, reliable there and he's a jeep he does jeep tours like hundreds of them in this area nice

it's a beautiful area and he was driving one day out in these back roads and all of a sudden a green glowing emerald um basketball size orb comes up comes towards him and then just follows him for a while before reverting back down

and then this area was also an area with weird government involvement and literally they did it on the show if you try to fly a drone there past a certain threshold, the drone will turn around and say restricted airspace returning at home. Wow, my government training actually, because of my government training, I can tell you that that means the government doesn't want a drone to fly there. That's what that means.

There's a guy on the show that I got an inside joke. He's a CIA agent, and he's always saying like, my CIA training teaches me. And this is like anybody can figure out with the most rudimentary logic. CIOD trade. Goldfisher orange. This is another element of this. This is totally unrelated. But there's an element where I do think that, like we said before, aliens or demons and things like that. But it's not that simple, too.

In some cases, there's also government involvement. I think there's technology that is not always out in the open. Yeah. I think there are, I'm not going to get as an hinges that I was just about to get. But I think that there are certain government-related, what's the word? government-related deceptions that are also taking place

surrounding some of these things. Okay, yeah. So I want to put a note there because I'm not convinced that some of the even Bigfoot stuff can also be explained through deception. Yeah, yeah.

And I mean human deception. Have you ever looked at the Montauk monster? So do you know the Montauk project? How do you spell that? M-O-N-T-A-U-K Monster. Do you know how to spell monster? It's just normal. No, I don't.

M-A-W-N-F-R. I know how to spell monster. Monster. Okay, yeah, yeah, go ahead. So, have you heard of the Montauk Project? No, I have. Okay, okay. So the Montauk Project was the inspiration for Stranger Things. Okay. And I was watching this, it's kind of unrelated to this.

It's just the same name. I was watching the show Conspiracy theories with Jesse Ventura one time. And he went to this place to find the Montauk Monster, Montauk Island off the coast of New York, I believe. And it's this really weird-looking thing. They've said that it's a hoax, but there's been like newspaper reports from, you know, earlier in the 1990s or something like that

of people seeing weird cryptids or chimeras around the area. And it really does make you wonder if sometimes there is some kind of hybrid program that the government's putting on. Like, we know that they'll kidnap your children and put them through things because they did the Montauk project. Yeah. They were trying to learn, like, remote viewing and psychic skills from Christians, from children.

Yeah. That's my fault. And so who's to say that they wouldn't stoop to another level of depravity where they're actually doing experimentation on the children of their citizens to try and create hybrid species? We know that the Japanese did this in World War II with like Unit 37. I think that's the right name. Yeah. And that was, you know, they were testing on their enemies at the time. Right.

But it's a short step from there to just test on your own citizenry. Yeah, CRISPR is genetic genome modification. Yeah. Genetic manipulation to try and essentially take charge of evolution and things like this. Right. We actually know that this is happening. We know people. It's just a matter of, is our government so explicitly involved in doing it to where they,

to where they'd actually harvest people and try and turn them into like hybrid chimeras of some sort? That is so crazy. but what the craziest part of it is that when I hear it, I'm like, probably, why not? I mean, I know the other stuff they do. Yeah, yeah. And why not? Like, they lie to us about everything.

Literally every. I mean, they lie about stuff that you're just like, they're just practicing for other lives. They don't even need a lie about it. Yeah, I mean, we even saw that in 2019 through 2021. Like their ability to create black flag events and false flag events to try and distract people from larger narratives. Anyway, we should probably continue in our outline since it is long enough to be four to six hours.

And we're on page not even halfway through. We're on page eight of ten, eight of twenty three. The other thing that I want to point out just from the cold open is, again, connecting to the mothman stuff, that Point Pleasant had a history of kind of supernatural pagan lore going on with the curse of chief cornstalk still the best name in history itself. Right. And so I was asking like, well, did anything else weird happen in the. Westmoreland County area of Pennsylvania, and I found this from Westmoreland's Wikipedia page. It says, quote, in December 1892, Pittsburgh area newspapers reported on an investigation by three to ten men of so-called supernatural phenomena that had allegedly been occurring at an

old stone farmhouse in Kexburg for some weeks past. The Pittsburgh Post reported that several of the investigators had been removed from a bedroom where the demonstrations by the ghost had been occurring and they were removed in an unconscious condition, adding that the spirits made no trouble for the occupants until the previous fall when worked to remodel the building resulted in the demonstrations that were now the talk of the countryside. According to a post-reporter, the alleged ghost was said to have been that of the farmer's owner, David Randler, who had been driven off the farm by the area sheriff after the farm was foreclosed on and sold during the financial panic of 1857. Even though Randler-owned,

only still owed a small amount on his mortgage after having spent roughly 20 years paying it off, he was forced to leave. And in doing this, he was forced into poverty, so Randler ended up homeless, destitute, and a loan, because his fiancé had also died around the same time. And so he swore he would haunt the man or woman who tried to alter the condition of things on the farm if he died before he got it back. The incidents in question involved hammerings all over the frame of the bed of the subsequent owner of the farmhouse, William Newell, tearing of the bed clothing and the violent ejectment of anyone who attempted to sleep in that particular bed or room that was allegedly haunted, end quote. So it's this idea of a guy who's jaded,

who's been maybe legitimately, maybe illegitimately wronged. And so he kind of lays a curse on this land. Now, I don't want to take this too far at all. Yeah. I don't think that he actually cursed this place and caused the UFOs and the big feet to start roaming around. But it's just, just the idea that you're getting into a level of depravity where a supernatural force seeking to deceive other people could latch on to something that's happened. Right. And say, like, well, these people, their pumps are primed. Let's jump on that opportunity. Right. It's like, you know, if you are using a false identity, you come up with a cover story. Yeah. You're like, oh, I'm in this profession and I do this. And I think the spiritual deception often has the same thing.

It's like, oh, yeah, I'm native. I'm there's in this Native American lore that's totally, true and I'm going to now pretend like, I'm going to manifest for you what the Native American lore said and often because they actually had spiritual demonic encounters, I believe. But then, you know, later they might latch on to that and modernize it and dovetail it with a new phenomenon like aliens or Bigfoot or Bigfoot's not necessarily new. But, you know, other strangeness phenomena to continue the deception into new generations, new cultures, new peoples. Brian, studies done throughout the U.S. show that almost

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And one of the kind of offshoots of all this is that if something like this happens and people fall for it, then it lends a lot of credibility to those pagan religions. even if they don't fully buy into it or even realize that it's happening, their mind is being trained to think, oh, the Native Americans

were really on to something. And then if, yeah, pluralism or syncretism. And then you get into like, well, they also believe there were eight genders. Oh, of course. You get all this trickle down stuff. It's like this lazy,

intellectually lazy default pluralism of modern Western thought where we're like, oh, yeah, we respect the native culture. And so, like, oh, they're spiritual stuff. Like, astonishing legends, they're always doing this. They'll be like, oh, of course, the natives, they know a ton of stuff. We've got to be real sensitive about, like, respecting their ancient knowledge and things like that.

I'm like, first of all, they don't even have a written language most of the time. So it's all orally passed down. But second, what that kind of thinking is doing is it's training you to syncretize and live in this pluralistic mode where you're like, oh, there's lots of little twinkles of truth in the whole vast array of stars of different religions. Yeah. You're like, well, what if, though, on the other hand, they're all dumb. Right. And there's one right one. In Christ's Lord. What if on the other hand? What if on the other hand, God is who he says he is? And all these people got it way.

And there are lots of deceptions out there trying to get you to believe anything but that one thing. Right. And there's a lot of corruptions of the one thing because they all came from the same family after the flood. It all makes sense. Okay, so moving on, I do want to briefly mention the Expedition Bigfoot. thing with the shadow person on camera. Yeah. You know the clip that I'm talking about. I've been,

I've been thinking about it nonstop for years now. I've been haunted Cosmosed by that clip. Mm-hmm. For quite a long time, because it really is crazy. It was pre-HC. It was pre-HC. You have to look this up.

It was season three, I think, episode three. Or it could have been season, yeah, it was season three. I literally can't remember it all. I do remember because I put it in the outline. Ah. You have to look this up on YouTube.

And, and they like, go over it in this meadow or something in Washington State to review the footage. It is so insane. It's so insane. My wife and I, when we first watched it on TV, we were, I mean, we paused it. We were freaking out. It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen. But it kind of comes back to, again, this trope of shadow people being connected for some reason to the Bigfoot phenomenon. If it was just a purely physical thing, then why are there so many UFO connections and why are there shadow pupil connections, orbs.

We'll find out later in the show, telepathy is a big theme with Bigfoot encounters. Yep. And I just, I have a hard time seeing how to fit all those pieces together if it's not something supernatural. Either it's all made up or it's something supernatural. Yeah, this would have had to have just been hoaxed by the show creators. And I don't know how they, I mean. Yeah, because the scenario, it's kind of hard to picture, maybe based on the description,

but there's the river. and then there's a dirt cliff 30 feet higher so that comes up out of one side. They're on the other side of the river. I'm watching a clip right now on YouTube while I describe this. Dr. Moraya Mayer is going down with Ronnie, right? And they're in the water. They're kind of like on the edge of the river looking for this thing up at the top. Yep.

And then all of a sudden they turn the camera light on and the cameras are filming towards the bank, towards the cliff. Yep. And with thermal cameras and everything and normal cameras, they turn this big bright light on. and it all of a sudden on the cliff, on the dirt cliff, you see the shadow very clearly of an upright bipedal bigfoot looking thing. Seriously, it looks like a big foot. Yeah. That is walking, paddy style. And then it just fades and disappears.

And it's as if between the light source and the cliff, there's a big foot there casting this shadow. That's what it looks like. It even looks to me, though, like it's not like the shadow. isn't on the cliff projected. When I saw it, it looks like... We interpreted it differently. Yeah, I know. That is interesting. Go look at it.

Yeah. Give us your conviction in the comments. Do we have in the show notes? We'll put it in the show notes. Okay. But the idea... Like, I looked at it and thought, oh, that is a, like,

some kind of semi-corporial shadow that's actually in the water, not projected onto the cliff face. So that is interesting that we interpreted it differently. I'll watch it again at some point. when I can actually listen to. Yeah.

And I just, I, yeah, either way, that's what, it's, it's like a, it's clearly some sort of weird, super weird. Not normal physical phenomenon. And it dissolves kind of from the ground up. Like, yeah. Like, it disappears.

It's not at once. It's not like something that goes away and disappears. It does. It fades. Yeah. Really weird. And they can't figure it out. Dr. Moran Mayer is like a primatologist or whatever.

And she's, she's like, I have no idea what that was. But that whole aspect. I can't explain that. Yeah, I mean, it is crazy. To hear her say that, because she's pretty sober-minded, it seems. Maybe I'm wrong. Do you remember the thermal thing they found that?

She was actually on Expedition Bigfoot. Maybe she was on a show called Expedition Bigfoot. But anyway, she was the token skeptic on the show. What was the thermal thing? Where they were out in the field. And so they see this big thermal, bipedal thing out of the field. This is more physical evidence, I suppose. But then they go later, they recreate the footage with a, like, a six-foot-two guy.

It looks way smaller. And it's not a bear. That's the only thing that I could think of is it could be a bear, but it does not look like a bear at all. I mean, it would have to be like a polar bear standing upright. Like the biggest bear in the world.

Yeah, they had it analyzed by experts with thermal, and they were like, that's weird. Yeah. Pretty much. I just love it so much. That's a squatch. So anyway, the Expedition Bigfoot thing, it's really one of the weirdest things to me.

It's what cemented, like really cemented for me in my Bigfoot journey, the idea that this was more than just a physical phenomenon. That if it existed at all, it wasn't just a physical phenomenon. It did that for me too. And the scripture that I always come back to with that is, in the scriptures, it does this in the Psalms,

is when it talks about the Refayim, in the Hebrew, the word is Refayim, and then it's oftentimes translated as shades or shadows. And I think that it's probably, you know, if I'm being the most responsible I can, it's like a euphemism for an undead spirit or a dead spirit, dwelling in shield or something like that. But it is just interesting how it does use that word and how the best translation we can come up with for it to get the full sense of the word is a shade. But that kind of sent me

down the rabbit hole. The shadow people connection to Bigfoot sent me down this rabbit hole. And I found a website called Bigfoot Research Organization.net. BFRO.com. We actually mentioned BFRO last week. week. And what they do is they collect reports from all across the country and they just compile them. And they'll give some conclusion on it if they need to go investigate. But the Expedition Bookfoot thing reminded me of a report that I read from theirs. And it was a sighting of a 13-year-old girl sometime in 1970 and it was in Lake Shasta in California. And so I'm going to just read that report to you here. The girl says, quote, I was on a family trip. I was 13 at the time and I had never

heard of Bigfoot. The way our camp was laid out was that all of us girls, two sisters, their friends, and a friend of mine, were all staying in one big army tent. My brother and his friend were in a smaller tent off to the east, closer to the drop off to the lake, then my parents were in their own tent at the far west end of the campsite. There had been a lot of trouble with bears that summer, so all the campers were advised to hang their food up high in the trees. My dad did that, and I remember him standing under the bag of food, a good three feet over his head, about 10 to 15 feet from the door to my tent. My dad was 5 foot tents, so it was pretty high up.

As for myself, I actually wanted to see a bear. I was really outdoorsy kid and would have probably preferred to sleep outside of the tent. I had little fear of the dark or the night. I'm quite sure we were there for two weeks that year, and as I remember it, my sighting occurred about a week into the trip. I know this because afterwards I spent several days looking for traces of what I had seen. I slept closest to the door of my tent and somewhere during the middle of the night I heard a little stirring outside. Everyone was asleep and I didn't wake anyone up since I had already been informed emphatically that no one else wanted to see a bear, so I very quietly and carefully crawled to the door of the tent and cautiously stuck my head out.

I looked over to where the food bag was hanging and saw something that was definitely not a bear. What I saw was two dark, hairy creatures just standing there under the food bag, like they were negotiating how to get it down or something. One of them was a good foot taller than the other. My dad would have come up to the bottom of the chest of the biggest one. They were huge. The smaller one was probably just a head taller than my dad. I had that as a gauge after all since I had seen my dad standing there in the same spot

under the bag a little bit earlier. They were tall and they were standing upright. At the time I had never heard of big foot, but I knew these were not. bears. Bears are pear-shaped and standing upright isn't a common or comfortable thing for them. For that matter, they don't just stand next to each other like they're carrying on a conversation. Everything took place very quickly. It was fast, but I was very impressed and sure of what I had seen, and I was sure that it was something extraordinary. What happened was that as I saw them, I did one of those surprised intakes of breath, a true gasp, I guess you could say.

They both heard it and turned to look at me. Then they turned and looked at each other. looked back at me again, and then they were just gone. They had not made a sound. One moment they were there and the next moment they were not. I didn't go out of the tent. I did think about it, but I laid awake all that night thinking about it. I had absolutely no idea what I had seen. This is similar actually to another Lake Shasta story

that doesn't have an explicit big foot siding, but it does keep linking some of these things together. And this is case report 2007, and 201770 from that same website. This is an old report, so I don't know if it will be of any use, but my wife and I remember it as if it were yesterday. We had just moved to California from Colorado and didn't know anywhere to hike,

so we drove to a ranger station in Shasta Lake. We bought a map, and although it was the 4th of July weekend, we asked the rangers if there was any place we could go that would be isolated or not too crowded. We got a fire permit because we were planning to four-wheels somewhere remote and then hiked to a camp area. We were told to drive on a logging road next to Squaw Creek and were shown some turns to take to end up past the last campground on Squaw Creek. We drove until we spotted a stream leading up to a meadow about 200 yards from the road.

We crossed a deep creek with our camping gear and helped our dog cross because the water was swift enough to make swimming across difficult. We set up our tent and decided to follow the creek to see if the fishing might be any good. We were surprised by an abandoned beaver dam and the pond was full of fish. I wanted to hike a bit further, and my wife wanted to finish some reading, so she went back to camp with the dog. I continued hiking until I heard something following me. When I stopped, it stopped. I suspected I was being followed by a cougar, so I made lots of noise by stepping on branches and acting like I wasn't afraid of anything. I still stopped from time to time to look toward the area of the noise and had my knife ready, along with a big stick that I purposely hit against rocks and trees to make myself appear aggressive.

Finally, I got back to camp, and my wife asked me what was going on. I didn't want to scare her, so I said it was getting dark and had to get some firewood. She said the dog had been growling and looking in the direction from which I had come. I still didn't say anything, mainly because I wasn't afraid because I had packed a gun with plenty of ammo. I had been hunting in the woods all my life. I figured a fire would keep the lion away, and along with our talking and laughing, plus we had a big husky dog that was a good protector. When I got back to camp with some wood, my wife informed me that the dog must have taken a poop around the campsite because it stunk.

It did smell, but I was unable to find anything to get rid of. We lit a fire and cooked, then settled back to let the fire burn out. When the fire got low, we were terrified by the sound of breaking branches, and it sounded unlike anything I'd ever heard in my life. I screamed to my wife to throw more wood on the fire and rushed to the tent to get my gun. I was bowled over first by my wife, then the dog. I got the gun and yelled to my wife to get the flashlights. We threw more wood on the fire and heard something retreat.

At this point, I got my composure back and we shined our very bright lights into the woods, hoping to pick out a pair of eyes. When I didn't see any, I was alarmed because I thought all animal eyes glowed in the dark as they reflected the light. I was thinking that there must be a man out there trying to scare us. So I yelled for whoever was out there to identify himself, because I, had a gun and was prepared to shoot if I heard another noise. Now I had to tell my wife what had happened on my hike and what I still assume is correct about animal's eyes. We talked about going back to the Bronco and leaving, but decided it was too risky to walk 200 yards through the woods

and then have to cross the stream in the dark where we could easily step in a hole and lose the gun or be at a big disadvantage. We decided to burn a big fire all night and stay awake. As frightened as we were, I talked to my wife into getting some sleep on my lap, and I would stay awake. She fell asleep, and then so did I. We were startled awake by the dog growling and something rushing towards us through the trees. We threw more wood on the fire and screamed into the woods that we were ready to shoot. Again, a retreat as the fire got bigger. Now we were definitely awake for the rest of the night.

The next morning we packed up and left. When we got down to the stream, I remembered my axe, shovel, and saw were still at the camp, so I went back for them. I was greeted by a horrible smell, but that was it, so I grabbed my things and ran down the hill. When I got close to the stream, I slowed down and started walking. My wife informed me that right after I left, the dog was growling and looking in the direction that I had taken. Since this incident, we now camp in designated campsites that have other campers. We always used to four-wheel or hike to places to camp that were completely isolated. We never considered Bigfoot until I told my story to a new friend, and he mentioned that the situation was similar to Bigfoot,

related incidents. Again, remember this theme of the unseen nature or the disappearing nature of the Bigfoot. And it reminds me of one more story that we should tell. And this is a story from the book, The Psychic Sasquatch and their UFO connection. Just a totally normal book title. Right. That anyone could find himself or herself reading on any given Saturday afternoon, lounging in the living room.

You go to your normal coffee shop, okay, and you sit at the little table. This is going to be on the coffee table. Two out of three people are going to be reading a book similar to the psychic Sasquatch in their UFO connection. Exactly. So I'm going to briefly mention the story here. You've probably heard it. I mean, everyone's read this book. This is actually a book that we're going to dig a little bit more into, but we have to tell this story first. It goes like this. In the fall of 1981, a family living on a small farm in the Midwest, whose names and places are withheld for privacy reasons, started to notice their livestock behaving nervously. Eventually, they noticed that the apples were being taken from the trees in the front of the first. yard at an alarming rate each night, leaving virtually none for the family.

Things escalated when they found that a whole section of barbed wire fence had been ripped out of the ground, posts and all, and completely mangled to make way for some big creature to pass through unimpeded. Most skeptics wrote the whole ordeal off as the work of a very persistent and tough bear, but the family felt there was more to it than that. Finally, one day, a member of the family looked out the window of the house in the direction of the barn. Just at the threshold between the light of the day and the shadow cast inside the structure, they saw a six and a half foot tall insanely bulky ape man thing. The family was horrified by the site and would suffer yet more fear at the hands of this entity. At night, uncanny growling noises would be heard outside,

keeping the family awake. And if the children were ever able to fall asleep, they would be plagued by uncharacteristically frequent and brutal nightmares of some big hairy monster attacking them. As they began to tell these things to relatives and neighbors, the immediate reaction was one of skepticism, as you might expect. In an attempt to help them see the error of their paranoia, an 18-year-old nephew of the family came to explore the farm one day. He would soon regret this as he rounded the corner of the barn to see an enormous Sasquatch standing tranquilly in the middle of the field and the clear light of the day, just staring up into the sky, unaware of anything going on around it.

The teen grabbed a shotgun and ran back to the barn, aiming at the creature. However, he was out of range of the thing, so he fired a warning shot into the air, causing the Sasquatch to leap in the sudden shock of the noise and chase the boy down towards the house. But as the boy turned to make his last stand and blast the monster to kingdom come, there was nothing there. he had heard the footsteps just moments before, the creature was now vanished. As time were on, the events started to take an even more sinister flavor. The four-year-old son would

wake his mother in the middle of the night, saying that a man in his room had just been speaking to him. As the nervous mom ran to the room and confirmed that there was no one in there, nor any windows open, she put her son back to bed. As any good parent would do, she then did a sweep of the rest of the house just to be safe. And each time this happened, and it was multiple times, she always dreaded checking the family room. She knew what she would find when she peeked around the corner of the wall, a glowing white, basketball-sized orb floating around the room.

She went on record saying, quote, it appeared to be a controlled intelligence, recognizing me as I entered the room. It was terrifying. End quote. These events led to severe depression for the woman, and she began to fear a total breakdown. But just as suddenly as everything begun,

all the encounters abruptly stopped. That's one of the creepiest things. Dude, you're yawning. I just yawned. And after hearing the craziest Bigfoot story. You're like, next, please. Next. No, no, that's wild.

What I love about these stories or what I think is so interesting about them is the way that they so blend together, the normal Bigfoot end. animal element with elements that all of a sudden put this twist where it's like there's no way that that could just be an animal. Exactly. The vanishing.

I mean, even think about it, being chased by that thing, it's one thing to think like an animal could veer off suddenly and hide. But the circumstances of that story, it seems more like the wolf in Skinwalker Ranch where they tracked it and they had the footprints and then all of a sudden impossibly it was just gone. Same with the cattle on Skinwalker that were just. they were gone. No blood, no nothing, just vanished. A thousand pound cattle.

I mean, we're talking about almost a supernatural, possibly a supernatural ability. Yeah. To just dematerialize. And with that kid in particular, like, he's an 18-year-old. He's not like a little tiny kid. He's an 18-year-old. He hears the footsteps right behind him.

He's like, this is it. Blaze of Glory. Turns around. And there's nothing there. And this is the Midwest, okay? This isn't exactly the highly wooded area of like the pine barons in New Jersey. Yeah, yeah.

This is a relatively flat land. Yeah. Pretty big sky open. It would be hard for an animal, like even a cheetah or a peregrine falcon, like the fastest things in the world, to veer off and find some hiding place. One of my children, when I say,

what is in your mouth? Or, boom, they're pretty supernatural. They're gone. You know what, actually, never mind, it's not supernatural. I've seen my toddler do some crazy feats to hide. When I say, okay, son, let's go in. inside and eat dinner and he thinks, gone. I'm going to ride my bike across the country. I'm going to

my bike to New York City and catch a barge to Europe. I will do the Lance Armstrong feet, but clean. No doping. Clean. No dope under the age of four. And yeah, all this goes back to the, to the cold open, which is just, if it's purely natural, if it's there at all, then why is there a shadowy, disappearing, vanishing aspect to it at all? That's a wrinkle that you can't reconcile with the physical world unless, unless. And this is where you get into the connection with, especially episode 10 of season. Hang on. Okay. What message would that give you if it's purely physical? It's that there's some kind of physical way to transcend the normal categories of physicality and achieve some higher plane of existence. That's right. So really, the message that we're getting

from this Bigfoot phenomenon, if people are buying into it while maintaining it, while maintaining an atheistic mindset, materialistic mindset, is the same as what the aliens are bringing to us. And that's what we talked about last season, is that they're saying, no, actually, you're right. It is just materialism.

There's nothing more to it. Jesus was one of us. He just was able to achieve a nirvana, a higher plane of existence. This gnostic escaping of the plane of the physical into the more pure or better plane of the spiritual, these sorts of superior beings are basically flaunting at that point

their ability to access interdimensionality, things like that. So what we're seeing there potentially is a deception aimed at underlining that aim for people to give into almost like a technological

technological post-humanist. What's the word? Techno. Transhumanist post-millennialism. Let's just make sure. It's transhumanist. That's what I was looking for. Transhumanist is this idea that we can, through technology or, you know, leveraging our scientific understanding of the universe, we can essentially transcend our mere humanness and essentially hybridize ourselves with machines or other apparatus in order to achieve some new state of human, of being human.

Yeah. It's, I mean, these are all just very ancient ideas. Yeah, it's a sci-fi trope of, you know, uploading your consciousness to a computer. Immortality. It's freezing yourself so you can be woken up someday when they've discovered the cure to whatever it is that you had. What's interesting, too, is the ideas that we're discussing this episode are ideas that Bigfoot researchers are currently entertaining. Right. That's ultimately where we're getting at is the conclusion of this episode is that the people who have really made a life out of this out of the Bigfoot research thing, all of them pretty much agree like, yeah, maybe we wouldn't describe it as supernatural. but this is not as simple as an undiscovered primate.

They have no problem using language like interdimensional. Intimensional, yeah. Even, well, you have a category of like Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum. He's the missing link, evolutionary, gigantapithecus, missing primate, hominids, something like that. But you do have a growing number of researchers who are saying, the evidence isn't all hoaxed, but it also doesn't support a mere physical conclusion or hypothesis. And so they've started to, in non-Christian ways, yes, unfortunately, but they've started to entertain this concept.

Some of these researchers that are, that have bond into that, they do claim that they can summon Bigfoot encounters, that they can have these encounters at will. Or maybe they don't make the terms of the encounter, but they know the steps to follow. It's like a ritual. It's almost like a Native American. They're summoning it. Yeah, they're summoning the thing. They're following the rules to get there.

And we can directly connect that to someone like Steve Greer. who we mentioned in episode 10 of season one. He's the guy who believes that the UFOs are just interdimensional beings. Yeah. And he's figure out a way to summon them. And how did he do it? Well, it's by this like meditation.

Yeah. And reaching out his mind into the universe. Like the giant hippie. Exactly. Skinwalker. Right. It's telepathy. It's psychic ability.

And somehow they're all still cloaking it under this materialistic, evolutionary worldview. Yes. Where they're telling man that we just have to transcend. Yeah. And a lot of it comes back this like exotic physics sort of explanations.

They're like, oh, it's string theory, or it's quantum physics, or it's some exotic physics where they start to speak in really quasi-spiritual tones. And then they give these exotic physics names to stuff, these phenomena, and these hypothesis of how it's really all physical, but what they're doing at the end of the day, it's just magic. Yeah. It's just magic. It's magic from people who have advanced math degrees.

A lot of it. It's just pure magic. Necromancy with a lab coat on it. Yeah, they're like, oh, this is, this is, yeah, we're not, we're not talking about demons. Right. We're talking about hyperdimensional beings who are able to transcend the astral plane using the third eye of your DMT accessed. We have to learn from them. Yeah.

The government made DMT illegal because they knew that we'd be too powerful. They knew we'd be too powerful. Stop doing drugs, kids. Stop it. Stop doing drugs and talking to the machine elves. We'll get there. But then kind of the last big connection that we want to make in this episode. This is going to begin our conclusion section.

It's just like how Steve Greer has an overwhelmingly positive view of the UFO phenomena, where he thinks they're interdimensional and he is like, yes, we should learn. They're benevolent. They're benevolent. They want to give us gifts. Kind of the one-to-one comparison in the Bigfoot world is this guy, Jack Lapseratis. And he's actually the author of that very well-known, very vanilla book, The Psychic, Sasquatch, and their UFO Connect. Yeah.

Okay, so this guy's not a Christian. Much like Steve Greer, he believes in the supernatural, but he is absolutely not a Christian. He may not even use that word necessarily. Yeah. He believes that Sasquatch is the hero of the story. And our goal is to show you that he's mistaken. Yeah. That he's actually right in some of his methodology and some of his conclusions, but he's wrong in what it all means.

Yeah. He's right in his findings, but he's wrong in his conclusions. Maybe a better way to actually. phrased that. But he spent over 40 years researching Bigfoot. He really knows his stuff ultimately, and he actually started all of this with the idea

that Bigfoot was just an undiscovered primate and nothing more. And as time wore on, his view kind of evolved. So with all that said, I want to share some more of the stories from this book. It's a really fascinating book. And then we can kind of draw some conclusions

from that. I think it's important, too, to note Ben, that he changed some of the details in stories. Yeah. Personal detail so that, because apparently there's this weird thing that happens if you share stories of Bigfoot encounters regularly, is that people think you're weird.

If you, if you read the psychic Sasquatch in their UFO connection, and you just bring it up ironically at a normal conversation. People are like, people might side eye you. People are like, it's been okay. And if you contributed to that book.

That's right. It doesn't help. But some of these stories are going to underline some of these connections and the ways that he drew these conclusions. Yeah. And what I really want you to do is, as you listen to this story, especially this one, think about how you might react if something similar happened to you versus how some of the people in these stories are reacting to these very strange things. So there was an elderly woman, and we're going to call her Mrs. Jones. She and her husband had this interesting deal. You see, she was an outdoorsy person.

He was not. They lived in Milwaukee together, but Mrs. Jones often longed for the rural feel of forest outside of the city lights. So to that end, Mr. Jones, her husband, every summer, would drive her the seven hours or so to their summer cabin in the country, and he would just leave her there.

That is so weird. For five or six. I can't imagine doing this with my wife. Being like, see you, honey. Good luck. But like old. I mean, this was in the 70s, like old people at that time. They were weird, man.

They were just a different breed. Their marriages were so strange. Well, they walked along the Oregon Trail to get to their homes. They rode triceratopsis. Yeah, it was crazy. So anyway, this is a weird deal, okay, but we can just gloss over that. For whatever reason, it worked for them. And she actually looked forward to this time away from the city all year.

So in the summer of 1977, something started happening at this cabin getaway that Mrs. Jones didn't understand. As she sat on the front porch of this country oasis and read a book, she noticed the book start to feel lighter and lighter until it was just floating in front of her. She wasn't even holding it anymore. No trick of the wind, no prank. I mean, no one even lived nearby. She was just sitting on the porch with a floating book in front of her. And then the book flew across the porch, startling the woman. She wasn't expecting that. But the fear of this was quickly quenched when a soothing and kind voice started to speak to her in her head. Mm-mm.

Nope. Yeah. Nope. Big red flag. Nope. Big red flag. That is when you call your husband, people. That's right.

You give them a call. You say, come get me. Why would you stay? Why did you leave me in the first place? Don't listen. So it was like a telepathic message from a thing that, you know, according to it meant her no harm at all. And the book thing was just it having a little bit of fun. So it actually was a prank, a super natural.

That's a prank. She looked out over the field as this is happening, and about 50 feet away, she saw whatever it was that must be speaking to her in her mind. She can only see it from the waist up due to the curve of the hill, but it was a very, I mean, it was clearly a very large and hairy ape man. And it was smiling at her. Unbelievable. With a wide and warm grin. I'm out. Injured cold.

I immediately begin. So anyway, I started blasting. That's the next sentence. And then I had a heart attack. Yeah. And all of this began a series of summers, and all of them included relatively frequent telepathic conversations and other visitations from this creature. She kept going back? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, multiple times. And this all kept happening. A creature that in it, where's Mr. Jones? And this creature, like what she could see of this creature, in every physical way, it resembled the Sasquatch. Okay, it resembled a Bigfoot. And these rendezvous were, they were always exclusively telepathic. No word was ever spoken. So it speaks English.

Well, yeah. Yeah, exactly. What if it was like Spanish? Okay. It was as if the creature had some innate ability to enter the mind of a person, read their thought, and then give thoughts to them

and converse with them in this way. Steadily, as the intelligent and kind creature continued its stay in her mind. Allegedly. Right. Allegedly intelligent. Right, yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm sorry, keep going.

The self-professed. intelligent and kind. Mrs. Jones began to think of the creature as a friend. So it started to win her over. Mrs. Jones even worried about it being okay out there in the wild, thinking like, oh, you should come stay in the warmth of the cabin. This is why you need a man. Right. I mount this creature over my fireplace. Or I walk. Or I die trying. Right. So even from here, the relationship evolved. They considered each other friends, and yet the relationship continued to evolve, such that Mrs. Jones began to think of this Sasquatch as her protector while she's out in the countryside. One day, a neighbor friend from a few miles down the road dropped off a copy of the

local paper for Mrs. Jones. She'd asked for it a couple days before. The neighbor finally made her way up there, and on the front page, she noticed a story about some other households in the area being broken into. And nobody had been caught. Perhaps it was a desire not to think about a threat so close to where she was or something else, but for whatever reason, Mrs. Jones didn't think much of this, and she just kind of tossed the paper away, didn't get that much from it. But a few nights later, due to some uncharacteristic insomnia in Mrs. Jones, she sat on

the back porch at 2 a.m. with a cigarette while looking at the stars. What a time to be alive. What a time. Out of the corner of her eye, she noticed. the glow of what looked like another cigarette poking out from behind the shed. She looked over and saw for a split second the silhouette of a man being pulled back behind the shed by another set of arms. She stood up quickly but quietly and shuffled inside. She shut off all the lights in the house. She ran to the bedroom. She grabbed a 22 pistol from its hiding place beneath a loose

floorboard. And so feeling a bit safer, she went to investigate the house, sweeping the house, making her way to the living room and front door, making sure no one was inside. But as she got to the front door, her heart sank. She could already see the shadows of two men standing on the front porch. They were backlit by those bright stars that she had been admiring just moments before. The door handle began to jostle.

Luckily, she had locked it. Not everyone around here locked their doors. She was glad she did that. She crouched behind the couch in the corner of the room and waited for what she thought would be the moment that she would be forced to try and take two lives. But before anything else could happen, a scream came out of one of the men. With a terrified urgency, the two men sprinted off the porch far down the dirt road, and they never came back. Mrs. Jones

poked her head out of the doorway, fighting the urge to come back inside due to a horrible stench that had filled the air and looked around. She caught sight of a bulking and tall shadow, walking back into the dark tree line. According to her, the Sasquatch found her on the porch the next morning. and gave her the following message. I was here last night. I told you I would be here whenever you needed me. I could feel the fear at a distance. I came immediately.

Those men were bad. As I said, I'm always here, always around. I always know your thoughts. God bless you. After this, Mrs. Jones began to see lights above and within and around the trees that were near her. It would hover back and forth in meadows just above the top branches

before eventually leaving, disappearing into the night sky. She actually asked some neighbors about this particular thing. She figured that everyone could see this, wondering if anyone else had any thoughts on these insanely bright light shows at night. And her neighbor friend, the one who had hiked up to check on her with the paper, answered with a horrified look on her face. She said that her husband had seen the lights and heard a howling noise, and so he went to investigate with his flashlight one night.

But she watched him run back to their porch just a few moments later. his face flushed white, and he refused to ever tell her anything that he had seen. Okay. This is the craziest thing, dude. I take it all back. Some Bigfeeder angels. Oh, what if? I'm just saying, God bless you at the end?

Yeah, but what if that's all part of it, dude? It could be. I'm not, listen, I don't want anybody on Twitter being like, Brian believes that some angels appear in the form of Bigfoot. I do not want that. Although, if someone tweeted that, it would be funny. I'm not saying you should do it. I'm just saying it would be funny. If you do, do you know what the reform pub will do.

I'll have aneurysm. Anyway. Anyway. What an ultimate, like, own though, that would be. Yeah. She's supposed to be like this good old Christian woman. Uh-huh. And so the Bigfoot approaches her in ways that she can relate to.

Or, like, maybe it is, like a guardian angel. This is just weird. That is a weird story. It's so bizarre to me. The lights, again, the super. The supernatural element, the telepathy, the levitating of the book, the, I mean, what? The thing that I don't like is the telepathy. What if she was reading?

Okay, hang on first. What if she was reading a Jesus calling devotional? Oh. The Bigfoot levitates it, throws it across the room. Well, then I would say, like, R.C. Sproletes in. I'd be like, Bigfoot Angel confirms. Which is any other book. I just literally, the UFO one.

Yeah, I mean, the Sasquatch, the psychic Sasquatch. Wow. Anyway, continue. No, I just, so I get a clear inter-cold parallel. I mean, there's the smile, there's the telepathic communication, the message that we're here not to harm you. You know, it's really a textbook UFO encounter almost, like a textbook alien encounter. But what I'm trying to think about is the thing that gets me is the telepathy. Like, because that seems so intrusive. And I'm wondering if there's any examples in scripture, apart from like a dream type situation,

a vision, where an angel communicates telepathically with someone and gives them good information. And I really don't know. I mean, you have like, Ezekiel being taken up and he can feel his hair being pulled. And yet he also says that he's in a vision. So it's this weird mix of like the spiritual and the physical world that's happening. You could say that something similar probably happened to Philip the deacon after he baptized the Ethiopian eunuch. Maybe. maybe something similar with St. John and his revelation. But I can't think of anything where it's like, and then you hear a voice in your head. Hi there, faithful listener.

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He knew what you were going to. He altogether knows your thoughts, every turning of your mind. Right. So then you have this, often the demonic is, counterfeit of the signs and wonders that only God can truly do righteously. And so it is interesting that telepathy would be the thought-knowing would be an element of a lot of these UFO stories, a lot of these Bigfoot stories. I haven't really developed that thought, but it just came to mind as you were describing that.

Because there's, that is, honestly, I didn't even consider that. But it is like really interesting, especially in this specific story. Yeah, yeah. But the, you still have a UFO connection thing. You still have lights in the sky. And then almost every other supernatural encounter that I've heard with like mantis men or like injured cold, for example. When there's telepathy, it's like always bad. Or even the moth man would give like telepathic thoughts to that guy Lawrence Gray who had like the sleep paralysis episode.

Yeah. And so I just, I just don't know. I don't know. I have a hard time with that aspect in this whole story in general. Sometimes in these stories, I think it's okay. in high strangeness in general to just say, actually, I don't know what that is. If it's true or not, I don't know.

And if it's true what it completely is to the bottom, I don't know. Speaking to your point, on the knowing thoughts, though, one thing that is important to note is that the Bigfoot didn't claim to know all of her thoughts from the beginning. It just had the ability to converse with her telepathically. It was only later that he started to say, like I sense the fear from far away.

You know, I, like, it does seem like he started to learn things about her or know things about her that would be impossible to know. But she opened herself to it. Right. Like, there is a level of invitation there. She started to let her guard down, all those kinds of things. I just don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, it's, I think one thing it does show is the importance of guarding your mind and your thoughts from, and not being spiritually open. Yeah. We're not really supposed to be spiritually open. Right. Right. We're supposed to be convinced in faith of the truth of God's word. Right.

And stand on it and, you know, have your mind clamped on it and meditating on it and filled with truth, not open to any spiritual experience or open to the, you know, oh, maybe there's a good big foot out there that I could talk with. Right, right, right. You should not try. Don't do it. Yeah, you're supposed to have your heart so that your spiritual life and your mind, your physical life, opened only insofar is that they close firmly on the truth of God's word,

and they are no longer open to anything else. This story did make me think of one of the craziest ideas that I've ever had the pleasure of coming up with, though. And I'm not saying anything definitive. I do not believe that this is true. I just want to get that out of the way. But just what if? Like, what if one of the roles that God gave to his angelic ministers in the beginning

was the role of overseeing the natural world, like rivers, seas, trees, gardens, stuff like that? We see this played out in Tolkien's I know Lindelay and in his history of Middle Earth, where the Valar and the Maia are governors over the mechanics of the world. Yeah. So they're making sure the sun rises, for example. Like literally one of them is the sun. I'm not saying that the sun is just an angel, although... But the idea is that if that's true, then they almost act as like centuries that are guarding the world from natural disasters or supernatural intrusion into things like that.

And the reason that it got me thinking is because all through history and mythology, we have people talking about water spirits. You know, River Daughters, Will of the Whips, nymphs, you know, like wood spirits. Fay. Yeah, fairies, things like that. That are more elemental, more physical in their elemental nature, where they're latched on to a thing or a place. And it does make me wonder, A, like, is there anything to that at all? And I don't know.

Hobgoblins, puck wudgeys. Yeah, puck wudgeys. Big feet. It's all, I mean, modern or skin, it's all. you could put all that under an umbrella that would help to categorize. There's a little taxonomy of this floor. Right, exactly. And we don't know, but if that is the case,

then it's not really outside the realm of possibility that some of those angels also fell. And so not all of them would be fallen. Some would be fallen. And so it's almost like this battlefield that really is right there on the fringe of the supernatural and the natural. Because it's a supernatural species of governors, that are overseeing the natural world.

It's not like the dominions in the angelic hierarchy that are overseeing the rest of the angels. It's this thing that's like the mechanics are so directly affecting the natural world that, I don't know, like what if that is a category of spiritual being? I don't know. While the medievals would be totally viking with you right now.

It would be. Like, Bovink and... You know who else would be? Burkhoff would just be like, No, Berkoff would be shaking his head. He'd be face palm. He'd be like, what is? Bavink would be like, I don't know, man.

He'd be like, what is, what are you doing? Dude, Bovink had so much love for pseudadainisius of the guy who wrote the celestial hierarchy. He was an enjoyer. He was an enjoyer. Yeah. King James would be interested in this view. The Puritans would be interested in this view. He's had to like understand that different dynamics or different frameworks of understanding the natural world and phenomena that humans experience in the world.

often get explained in, we build different frameworks to explain those experiences through the light of our knowledge. So today, people build sciencey frameworks to explain everything. And we do that to a fault.

Yes. Like, to a fault, we do that. We're trying to explain everything. And then we make the creature, creation, fallacy.

We don't make a distinction, and we then assume that the creation must have, that the physical world must have bootstrapped itself into existence. abiogenesis. These are all errors related to that framework extreme. The bedevils, I think, also made errors in their framework in over-spiritualizing certain things or just speculating

in many ways. And so a lot of these categories, they have been discussed in history. We're going to talk about this in some future episodes, Lord willing. I think we'll do a whole episode on fairies. Yeah, fairies, hobgoblins. Yeah. Which is kind of a catch-all. elemental spiritual crossover sort of beings that a lot of people in the Christian tradition have believed in and categorized in various ways and how could we think of them. I think a lot of those thinkers would have classed what we're talking about in a category somewhere on that hierarchy. Yeah.

I think that's safe to say. Yeah. And whether or not I'm with them on that. Right. You know, whatever. But they would have, I think. Right. Whether or not they were right and whether or not I agree is completely a question.

question mark. But the point is, here's what they were trying to do, okay? They were trying to take dominion in such a way that they were able to categorize and name a thing and put it in the symphony of creation. That's what people do. We were made to do that. Yeah. Oftentimes, like, that's the medieval's whole thing, is they were trying to say, how can we order our perception of the world in such a way that everything is playing a part? Everything is producing some kind of harmony or discord, but it's unique to them, and all of it is creating this one element of praise that at the end of all time will rise up to God and glorify him magnanimously. That was what they were trying to do. Obviously, they messed up in a lot of ways trying to do

that. And I'm not saying they were right to have this category even in existence. But it is interesting. And if you start to kind of think in those terms, at least imaginatively, you can understand how tempting it is to take that really far. because it is actually fun. The key distinction, I think, for us is that there are, there's what we know, there's what we can search out. And then there are also things that we can't know, where we just, or we can't or we won't know yet. And when we're making distinctions in those kinds of buckets and saying, you know, like we don't, we don't know definitively about some of the specific details of the angelic world or that realm because we, I mean, we've already talked about that since the season. but because God hasn't revealed those things to us.

Right. And that's fine. We don't necessarily need to know. But I think it is fair to say, to think, well, God made people, and there are lots of different types of people and different personalities and different names. And clearly in the angelic world, there's specific angels with different tasks and names and histories, which means you could write a biography of the angel Michael. Yeah. In Gabriel. You could write their biography.

and it would be really interesting. And it'd be different from each other. And we don't know. What kind of, is there, are there angel culture? Like what? Right, yeah. Are there different angels? And we just don't, we don't.

I like to think so. We don't know. I like to think so. I like to think. We don't know, but it's not, I think, you know, sometimes people can can be a little bit gun shy of even thinking about like, right. It's an interesting question.

Because the point of, like, we do operate in a world that's a need to know world. It's a hierarchical world. So people that are at a certain place only really have the certain information that they need. Man was created to be the rulers of the physical world, the pseudo-rulers of the physical world, to take dominion in the earth, to order it to God's glory, to do all this in faith by his power. Vicegerent, yeah. Yeah, none of these heresies, okay? That's not what I'm saying. And so because of that, we have information that we need to accomplish that because God's not capricious.

He doesn't give us a task to do and then give us the end. ability to do it. Right. It actually gives us the ability to do it. So we have the book of nature that we get to open and read and learn about this place that we're supposed to be exercising godly dominion in. But the thing is, is that, you know, while we aren't supposed to exercise dominion in the, in the spiritual world, it can't be denied that the spiritual world never affects the natural

world. And so man does, at times, have little glimpses of fragments of paper that he gets to read in the book of nature that have been scribbled on or affected by the book of the spiritual world. And so he has to do something with that information. I think that it's foolish to ignore it. And I think it's foolish to ask people to ignore it. And we also interact with and wage spiritual war. Right.

And so the thing, ultimately, we have to have a category for, I don't know. How do I try to make a connection? Or should I even? How do I try to categorize or should I even? but all the while remembering that your heart and mind are closed on the Word of God, and to go beyond that is folly. Yeah, absolutely, Ben. So I hope that these stories, guys, have painted a picture for you

of just the reality that this phenomenon, if it's real, and I think that there's something to it, that it might not just be hallucinations of crazy crackpots, but also not just a merely biological and animal phenomena, There really is a question, what if Bigfoot is a spiritual entity? What if even he's an evil spiritual entity? And I think the closing story tonight that we're going to leave you with now might begin to cast some more light on that question. So we're going to tell you this story that was posted on the blog, Tiger Lily Harvest. This author says, I believe she is a Christian.

And this is a doozy. It sure is. We don't know the author's real name, so we're just going to call her Lily, but she, like many other people in our day, are very intrigued by the idea of Bigfoot. After some months of research, she decided that she would start writing about the whole thing, sharing her thoughts on the matter with subscribers to her blog. She figured it would be a fun way to join in solving the great mystery that has plagued man for all of these years.

But she had an ace in the hole. She had a friend whose dad was a legitimate Bigfoot, Hunter. We are going to call him Jacob. He seriously used to go on frequent trips in an attempt to research and interact with Bigfoot. That was his thing. Lily figured him for the perfect resource. She would talk to him, get some of the spookier stories that he had. And so she shared this idea with her friend, Jacob's son, and the reaction was unexpected. He had seen stuff too, according to him. And she figured he would be excited to maybe share his own misadventures with the creature. He wasn't.

He was hesitant. He was even reluctant to share. The following is quoted from the Tiger Lily Harvest blog post, Bigfoot, a demon of the ages. My father started joining all these Bigfoot groups, and it began as a small side hobby that he grew to love. He would travel all over the country with these groups of cryptid hunters, mystics, Sasquatch believers, etc. We would all poke fun at him, but he started to take it really seriously. He started to have these encounters, these stories. these stories that he was shy to tell,

but when he would tell them you'd be dumbstruck by how much belief he had in his eyes. I never knew my father to be a liar. I trusted him, and I still do. So one day, I went with him. My father and I lived in the northeast, and we traveled up and over to Washington State, very close to the Canadian border.

We camped. In my head, I was thinking, this is just a cool camping trip with my dad, and we can bond, and I can get a glimpse into his world. It ended up being more than that, much more. My father told me that to see a big foot, you had to camp under the stars with no tent, no fire, and no electronics. So that's exactly what we did.

We had our cots under the stars out in the middle of the forest, just us and the anxious feeling growing inside my chest. Dad never seemed nervous or scared, so I knew if he had seen them, they weren't to be feared, but I still felt on edge. Even without the event of a Bigfoot sighting, I was thinking of bears, wolves, mountain lions. He said that the minute we put the campfire out,

we would start to hear things, feel things, maybe even see things. My heart raced, and he was right. The fire goes out, and we immediately hear the sound of running feet. Smaller feet like children playing a game of tag, bipedal. It's pitch black and you can't even see your own hand in front of your face. The moon was hidden by clouds. The stars barely peaked through. I'm tucked into a sleeping bag and I feel something run up and touch my side.

I'm frozen. I still hear the sound of smaller feet, and then I hear something much bigger. The heaviest steps I've ever heard. One heavy step, then another. Closer and closer. Closer. I feel the presence of a large body standing before me. I can see nothing but a dark, massive outline.

Then something happened. The smaller bodies came close like they were its children. One of them stepped on me. I couldn't breathe. It walked across me and it did this two more times. The steps went over to my father's cot and eventually trailed off out of our camp. We could hear the family of footsteps leave.

I laid completely still, unable to move and the next morning I knew what we'd experienced was real and something I never wanted to experience again. Haunted by this chilling first interview with his son, Lily still wanted to talk to Jacob, the source of allegedly much more intense accounts. Her mindset going into this conversation and now changed, though. Maybe this isn't as fun as she thought it would be.

Lily's friend was still carrying the weight of fear given to him by that experience, even though it had been years since it happened. Nonetheless, she would press forward. We'll continue quoting from the blog post by Tiger Lily Harvest, Bigfoot, a demon of the ages, and we'll close the show with this quotation. Thank you for listening to Hanukasmos. stay curious, keep a ready sword, and remember, do not go looking for trouble. We'll see you next time.

I'm going to tell you two stories that he told me. One is of his many encounters with Bigfoot up in Oregon, and the other is the encounter that still haunts him to this day in the reason why he left it all for good. Although if you ask him today, he will say that they're just waiting for him to return. They wait for their invitation back into his life, patiently, watchfully. There is a large group of career Bigfooters up in Oregon, and I hadn't been there yet, but I knew the community was strong, and I'd be in with a solid group that knew their way around. The leader of the group had been doing this for 20 years, and he took a liking to me.

I'll never forget what he said right before we set up camp. You know, Jacob, if you really want to see Bigfoot, all you have to do is invite the spirit in. Red flag started going off in my mind. Invite the spirit in? Didn't sit well with me. I had seen Bigfoot many times already because if they know you're looking, they'd love to reveal themselves.

Maybe he was right. Maybe I was inviting them in. I thought about this our entire hike up the mountain. We made camp just below the snow line. It rained for two days and two nights, and on the third day, I decided to invite the spirit in. Although this began to grieve my heart, it was too late because the fire had gone out at camp

and my cot was under the stars. I was away from the group close to the old gravel road that loggers would use. It was dark and cold. I lay there for a few hours, and as I was about to drift off to sleep, I heard it, the steps. Heavy, crunching the gravel.

With each step, you could almost feel the earth vibrate. It got to the edge of my cot and stood over me. But I didn't get the sense it wanted to hurt me. My face was covered by the sleeping bag, but the group told me to never try and startle them, but to always remain still with no sudden movements. So I was a corpse. I could hear it breathing, long and steady breaths, heavy like its feet.

The next part might not make sense, but the being scanned me. It scanned my right shoulder down on my elbow, and I can't describe the sensation. I just knew the being was looking at this part of my body through the sleeping bag, and something was happening. The being slowly walked across the road, and I started hearing voices in a language I've never heard. It was speaking to other beings. They were talking back and forth. It came back over to my cot for a few seconds, and then walked back up the road, disappeared. It was only two hours from sunrise, and I woke up and hurried closer to the camp.

While I was walking, I noticed something. My right shoulder that normally held a constant dull ache no longer hurt. The ache was gone. I told the leader what happened, and he didn't seem surprised at all, but said, they know you now. You'll never have to search for them again because they will find you. They'll come to you wherever you are. Again, I felt red flags. I was confused because had the being healed my shoulder? I was too shocked to even consider what it was that I was dealing with, but I almost needed to see them again. The obsession grew.

You packed up camp and started heading down the mountain. What happens next might sound odd and paranormal, if you will. The leader and I had trailed behind the group to where they were out of sight, but we could hear the distant voices. All of a sudden, and I know this sounds crazy, but we saw this orb of light. It was round, white and bluish, 20 feet up into a tree. They both saw it and it was bright.

I looked over and said, Are you seeing this? Again, this was no surprise to the man at all, for he spoke in a hushed voice saying, it's an orb. Those are spiritual beings that have not manifested in earthly form yet. I have one that follows me around all the time.

It won't hurt you. My mind was tired. My eyes were heavy. We got closer to the tree and right in front of us were footprints. Not from the group because they weren't boot prints, but they were large bare feetprints with five toes bipedal.

I'm sitting in my chair, still listening to Jacob tell me all this. I have a million questions. And his voice, you'd think that he would have an excited tone, but his tone was always one filled with remorse and even disdain. If the being healed your shoulder,

do you think that it's truly evil? I asked. I'm sure the snake giving even apple seemed like a nice gesture at the time. He just wanted to give her knowledge, after all, harmless. Jacob replied, I ask myself the same thing.

Now looking back on it, I believe this is how they deceive you. If they do this miraculous gesture, they know you'll always come back and always be dependent on them. What man would believe he needs God in his heart after that? I looked down at my bare arms and they were covered in goosebumps. This final encounter that Jacob tells me about is one I'll never forget. I'm even hesitant to share, but I believe it could help those who were on the same path as me.

Curiosity begins innocently, but our enemy is always waiting to devour. After the Oregon trip, I went back home to the northeast. We lived tucked away in the woods. I kept thinking about the leader of the group telling me that I didn't need to look for them anymore because they would find me. I had half the right mind to never go searching again, but I told myself I would try one last time in the comfort of my own backyard and then I would back off. My flesh didn't want me to back off. It was fighting me. I went out back where our shed stood in the far left corner of the yard.

I hid my cot behind it so it would be out of sight for my wife because I knew she'd make fun of me. I stood there looking at it on the ground in broad daylight and I said out loud, I'll be here tonight, I'll be right here. I thought if I said it out loud they might know, but I felt ridiculous. At that moment my cell phone rang in my pocket and it was my son. He asked me if I wanted to go to this church event with the grandkids and I hadn't seen them in a few weeks, so I said, of course. I went to the event and spent time with my family

and ended up being out later than expected. By the time I got home, I was so tired and just craving a good night's rest in my own bed, so I did just that and said I'd go out to the cot tomorrow. In the early morning, my wife woke up and went to the shower. The second the water turned on, I heard the metal ladders in the shed all clanged to the ground. I shot up in the bed, hands trembling.

It felt as if they were trying to tell me something like, where are you? I sat there in bed and turned the lamp, on. I knew they were out there. I sat in bed and asked a question out loud that I regret. I asked the being his name. It answered. It answered through mindspeak where it pushes its thoughts into my mind, clear as day, more vivid than spoken words. Aki. The second it told me its name, I knew that I had to close the door on this. It could push thoughts into my head. I felt sick. Jacob went on to tell me that in the five years of his absence from their world, he can feel

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