Haunted Cosmos - Demon Dogs & The Hatman!

Episode Date: March 11, 2026

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That creepy, uncanny smile that goes from ear to ear. Hey, everybody. Welcome to this episode of The Graveyard Shift. Ooh, the spookiest thing that Haunted Cosmos does. You got to stop. Welcome to Haunted Cosmos Graveyard shift. You got to stop. Welcome.

My name is Ben Garrett. I'm your host. Join as always by my friend and co-host Brian Sovey. That our YouTube retention graph just went at one second to zero. Like it's a new YouTuber and we deserved it. All right. I'm going to do another. But it was better than whatever the musical theater one you're constantly doing.

Jean Valjean. By the way, before I introduce our guests. Which I know this is really rude. Just wait a second. Don't do it. I saw the guy that does that, the Jean Valchante on Instagram. He went to a Lord concert recently. Which, by the way, who goes to Lord Concert?

Is that Lord with an E? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, Lord. Yeah, Lord. Gotcha. What a blasphemous name for yourself. Well, I think it might be her name. Oh, I didn't know that.

Okay, anyway, keep going. Anyway, he was there. And he was doing the Jean Valjean impression singing. singing along to Lord, but it was during like one of the quiet songs. And she heard him and started laughing at the stage. Huge stuff. Anyway, we're joined also by a very special guest, guest. Gift.

Because this is the graveyard shift. And so we have guests. And his name, can I use your name? Yeah. His name is Thomas DeSelle. And say hello to the people, Thomas. Hello, people. Yes, yes.

Welcome to the graveyard. Thomas has been generous with us and he's taken, time out of his very busy schedule with sewage pipes, literally fixing people's actual problems. Yeah, making people's lives considerably better on a daily basis. And he's here to tell us some ghost stories. So, Thomas, worth it. Thomas, tell us, I mean, you're a plumber. I gave that away. But tell the people a little bit about yourself. Yeah, as you said, I'm, I'm an apprentice plumber. So really, I'm just an adult man with power tools who doesn't know what he's doing. most of the time.

Not you. Yeah. Not you. I'm the one who goes into the cross spaces. Yeah, I'm a Christian. I've been attending refuge now, I think, for like five, six years. It's probably right. Yeah.

Been a Christian since I was 12, 11, 12 years old. Yeah, I converted out of Islam. Really? Yeah. I didn't know. Did you know that? Huge dumb. I didn't know it.

For the Lord Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I got like baptized when I was eight, not knowing what I was doing. But I called that a Pato baptism now. Yeah. Yeah.

But I did do a second baptism. So based. Per evangelical. I mean, the first one was based. I want to be clear. Yeah. Even the Cretobaptists, they're all Pato Baptist because like they're infants in the faith, you know. Yeah.

Yeah. Dude, he's just again, plummet. Guys, we don't mean it. We love, we love Baptists. Yeah. Okay. So, Thomas, we've been doing an icebreaker question with all of our guests. on the graveyard shift.

And my question for you is a two-parter. All right. Okay, part one, what is your favorite thing to do whilst plumbing? Whilst plumbing? Like, what's your favorite plumbing project to do? My favorite plumbing projects are just really, it's honestly like the most disgusting stuff.

Like the sewage stuff? Yeah, because that's the stuff that like I have stories to tell. Everything else is kind of like lame, like trying to like, undrain a sewage like pipe. Yeah. Kind of just sucks. Yeah. But like when I'm able to tell a gross story about like a full line that I've cut

and I'm just getting sprayed in the face with poop. You're like I was like the Shawshank Redemption guy. Squiggling through the. And it was all poop the whole way. Yeah. Like those are the fun stories and they're rare because it barely happens. Yeah. But majority of the time it's like, yeah, I pulled this toilet and then I reset it.

Yeah. And it's super boring. And micro. But Mike Rose like, but you're my guy. Top guy. My second favorite ones are like the interesting people that you see. Like, yeah. I don't know how much I could say.

Probably not too much. I don't want to tank your business. Yeah. But like you meet some interesting people, you know, and just they're super weird. Or like you get like really snobby people who are like, you are beneath me because you are a plumber. And I like work in real estate, you know. but I work weird flex because like a lot of plumbers make like 300,000

a year real estate agents right now are making like negative $30 a year. Oh, I'm a Mary Kay representative and you're a lowly plumber. And they're the type of people who are like, you know, I'm not going to pay for that. I'm like, well, if you make so much money, like why wouldn't you pay for that? I'm not going to pay. Hey, I know that I hired you for a job. Here's the fun part. I'm not going to pay for it.

Okay. Yeah. Second, part two, what is your favorite Narnia book? My favorite Narnia book. That, now it's a good question. You've read them all, haven't you? I've read them all. I've read them all like three, four times probably by now.

My favorite one has always been the magician's nephew. Which is like when talking to other people, because I've asked this question too, usually people don't pick that one. They're like, I hate that one. I think it's super disconnected. Are you kidding me? Those are the answers I get. The worst one is Prince Casper. I have a message for people who say that, hide.

What's yours? Okay. It's almost impossible to say one. Well, today. They're all S tier. What's yours today? First of all, they're all S tier, but the one that I think, I will go to my grave defending that.

I think the one that gets slept on that is actually up there is horse and his boy. Horse and his boy, that is amazing. And the Voyage of the Don Treter, a lot of people love that one. But those two are like probably the top. Okay. That's the one that everyone always says is their favorite, though, in my conversation. I hear people say it's not, it's the worst. Really?

Really? Bendellary, I think, said that. A lot of people at this church, on notice. Same horse and his boy is the top. Yeah. Is the top of the S tier. Now, mine is, I'm glad you all haven't said it.

Silver chair. Silver chair is so good. Silver chair is so good. Puddle glum. You got puddle glum? The ending of Silverchair is what does it for me. Yeah, that one's really good. The only thing that's missing from Silverchair is Reefachit.

That's a good point. You know what I mean? That's fair. But he had a great ending. He did. That was fantastic. It was, yeah, I mean, going into the light and just like.

And he like drops a sword. He's like, ah, don't need this anymore. The symbolism. Yeah. Okay. The reason why Magistice's nephew is my favorite, though, is that every time I've read it,

I just can't help but ball when the nephew walks knowing that like he could potentially lose his mother. Oh, yeah. But he's just going to obey Aslan. Yeah. And like everybody's not. at him like, you did it. Good job, buddy. You did a good job. Oh, so good. Yeah. That just hits. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. You gotta get to this great. I know, I know, I know. We've got to get there. All right. Bonus third retention pumice. They're actually taking views from our other videos now to penalize. Let me cook. You're going to feel so, you're going to feel so dumb. Go ahead and cook. Bonus third question. What is the story that you've come on the graveyard shift today? Don't I feel silly. That actually wasn't going to be it until you said that. I know. I know.

All right. So here's what we're going to do. Yeah. Everyone knows the rules. Brian has no idea what's going to be said. No idea. Here's a bonus. I also have no idea what's going to be said.

Either because I've forgotten that he even told me or because I don't think, I don't think I ever heard for the first time. So, Thomas, we're going to let you go. We're going to try not to be obnoxious and interrupt you. much. We may have questions, but you'd like do your thing and then we'll talk about it. I have a few little stories, really. But all stems from a house I used to live in in West Valley. It was a little townhouse. And just weird things happened, you know, when I was living there. And for the longest time, I've been like the biggest skeptical. Like, I've been very

skeptical of like spiritual stuff. I always try to like explain it. explain in a way kind of thing. And I always thought like those things that happened at that house was like a figma of my imagination. Because it was like a really tough time for me growing up in that house. I was right before my parents got divorced. How old were you? I was, when we moved out of there, I think I was like six or seven. Oh, okay.

I lived there my, like when I was, from my understanding from when I was born until that time. Yeah, yeah. And so it was like a really hard season of my life. in those younger years, I have memories from when I was three all the way up until I moved out. And there was just like really rough time. My father was, you know, very abusive, saw a lot of things that shouldn't have. And so I... Was he Muslim?

Yeah, he was Muslim. Very, like, people would call him a nominal Muslim, right? Because he didn't really, like, live out his Muslim beliefs. The old Jack Muslim. Yeah. But, like, as I've grown up, I don't think there is such. thing as a nominal Muslim when it comes down to it. Because even those who are not practicing rightly, when it comes down to it, they're going to choose themselves over everybody else to like

the worst degree. And they will explain a way their sins by simply stating like, well, God's using me as a sword of vengeance against you through my sin. Against you. My son. Yeah. It's just, wow. It's wild like just like how that goes. See Ibrahim and his Like he explains it really well. Yeah, Raymond Ibrahim. Yeah. Like he explains it very well. But so I just explained everything away through like, oh, I was just having a rough time.

Maybe it's figments of my imagination. But as I grew up and I met my wife, she's dealt with some like spiritual stuff. And she's like a lot of the stories that she's told me. I'm like, hey, that kind of like sounds similar to what I've experienced. But I still was like skeptical. attending refuge and like hearing some of the stories that you guys have talked about on haunted cosmos it got me to a point where it's like there's like hundreds of people who have experienced these things yeah and i'm like maybe there is some weight to this yeah you know and so now i've gone

from skepticism to like full-fledged like yeah spiritual things are a real thing yeah yeah yeah um but in that house uh the first thing that i experienced was like My mom, she put me down for bed in our parents' bedroom. They were like having people over and, you know, just laid down. And I was, I was supposed to be sleeping. And I just remember waking up to like dogs barking really loudly, right? And I just looked down like at my, towards like the foot of the bed. And there was like three undead dogs just like snarling.

at me like they got like drippings from their mouth you're awake like I'm awake like I look back and I'm like was I asleep I'm not sure but like now that I'm like as I've gotten more convinced of the spiritual thought of things like no I was like full-fledged awake like and I had that like dreaded feeling that you guys have talked about on Hanukcosmos where it's like I couldn't move like I couldn't just get up and like get out of bed like that's what would have made sense I guess like in that as a child. I was like frozen in fear, snarling dogs, feeling the heat of their breath at my feet. And then I thought my mom was like laying next to me the whole time. Like I felt a weight in the bed while I was sleeping. And, you know, because that's how it started. You know, like she put

me to bed. She was laying next to me. Help me fall asleep. It was very young. I was like three or four. And when I like turned to like grab my mom to be like, like help me kind of thing, it was an It wasn't undead, but it was like, it was like a dead woman, like fully dead. Oh, not moving. And I was like terrified. And I just, it went from me screaming to like in bed laying down. And suddenly I was like standing in the hallway with my mom. Right.

So I don't know if I like fell asleep again. But like at some point I got, I was able to get out of bed and walk to the hallway. I remember just like bawling and she's, you know, kneeling next to me trying to like console me. And I couldn't even say what was happening. Because I was like, this is terrifying. Yeah. And she tried taking me back to the bedroom and I like refused.

I was like, I am never going back. There's a dead lady and three undead snarling dogs. I got like, this is. I'm not doing it. This was like too intense. And like, ever since then I've like had fears of like the dark and just being alone. And I could not not sleep with my mom for years.

Really? To this day. No. To this day. Describe these dogs a little bit. Like what are we talking here? What do they look like? They were like, because you said like undead, how,

like they were like, like imagine like zombie dogs. Okay. Right. And they were just like frothing mouths. They're kind of like those like skinnier dogs. Yeah. You know, like off of, you know, like was it,

was that alpha off of up? Right. Were they per capita dogs? the Pipples? Well, no, Alpha was, Alpha was like a... I haven't seen this movie. I just wanted to make the joke. Alpha and Up, I actually do know what you're talking about.

I thought I didn't. Wow. Oh, you've never seen Up? Like, maybe once 10 years. I don't remember. Up is an amazing movie. Anyway. Alpha was like, he was like, what do you call it?

Like a Doberman. Yeah. You know? Like, tall... That's a per capita dog. Yeah. It's another one of them. Yeah.

But yeah, it was like, they were like Dobermans, right? And they were just like undead. Like you could see their ribs, like partial piece of the ribs. But they still had like their skin on them. Yeah. And their eyes were like on fire. Okay. Yeah.

I've described them as like hellhounds. Like Carcroff. Like it was like, it was. Leave it to Ben. It was just absolutely terrifying. Yeah. Is all I remember. Yeah.

And the lady next to me was, she was a corpse. That's like. She didn't move. Okay. And it was just like, like, no eyes staring at me. That is true. And I was like, what is happening? Why is it that most soaps and cleaning products ironically don't contain clean ingredients?

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month of hosting insecurity for free. That reminds me of the, there was one, it was like a Puritan story or something where this lady was having sleep paralysis. And for some reason, I'm trying to remember the story. Her husband left, he like had to go deal with something in the pasture in the middle of the night. Like there were dogs barking and wolves and something like. And so he had to go make sure that the sheep were okay or something like that. And she started having sleep paralysis. And then the thing that calmed her down was she was still like stuck and she was awake, but she couldn't say

anything. She couldn't move. But she felt the depression of her husband getting back into the bed. And that was like comforting. And it eventually helped her just fall back asleep. But she never checked, right, to make sure it was actually her husband. Yeah. Always checked. Yeah. And then she woke up in the morning and turned over and her husband still wasn't there. And there was no one there, but there was the depression of someone there. And then the depression got up and left. I remember this story. And like the bed moved as if someone got up and it's like, it's like that like these, these beings that are laying next to you. Yeah. Oh, dude.

Yeah. What got me to think that was like, it was just a nightmare was that there was people in the house. And so, and these dogs were loud and like just snarling. And they didn't hear it. And they didn't hear it. Like they would have come up. And my mom came up and she was like acting like nothing happened. Yeah, yeah.

You know, like, why are you freaking out? Like she's trying to console me. And so what made me convinced that maybe now, like, maybe that was a real thing was that as I've been listening to your guys's podcast. having conversations with my wife and with you guys about the things that you, you all have experienced or other people have experience was this idea of like this like bubble of like sound that like no one can hear outside of it. And that like that feeling of absolute dread where you feel like paralyzed, you can't move.

Yeah. And that's when sometimes when you experience these spiritual things, it's almost as if it's like a certain spot just gets kind of like. like excluded where other people can experience it. It's like its own little parallel world. Yeah. I think it's, I mean, technically then this is, this is like a hypnagogic event,

which is related to sleep. Like before or after, sleep prowess is a hypnagogic thing. And one of the things I've wondered about because you hear these stories, there are thousands and thousands of thousands of thousands of very credible people who have experienced this.

Studies have attempted to stimulate certain parts of the brain and recreate some. of this stuff. You know, people hang on their hat on a lot of the few studies where they can make people feel a presence or say like there's someone here and then move the person by stimulating parts of the brain. But they can't replicate the whole thing. And it makes me wonder if the mechanism of this type of thing. People, it is not merely physical, but is one of the powers or tactics of the enemy of the demonic of Satan to terrorize related to the thoughts of a person

to where Satan is, you know, because we're told to take every thought captive. It seems like the spiritual war includes the ability of unclean spirits to influence thoughts of people or attempt to. And so I've always wondered about that. Is this, because if you said like, oh, it happened in the person's head, even if that was true, that doesn't mean that it's not a real spiritual phenomenon. Right. Yeah.

It actually could be either. It could be this like, yeah, there's some weird thing we don't know about, or that the mechanism itself is Satan tyrannizing people or terrorizing people through this mechanism of horror. It's also worth noting the spiritual state of the household itself. Yeah. where your father is a Muslim. And also just, you know, even speaking in terms of his civil activity, a bad person.

Like he's doing things that are wicked and he's letting that wickedness in. It's like it does, it does make sense that, you know, we've talked about how weird it is that like the moth man wanted to be invited in to people's homes. And how when that invitation is there, it's sort of like this playground for the demons. where even a household and a family that's supposed to be safe, supposed to be guarded can become the haunt in the wilderness. Now, when you, so you're noticing these dogs. Yeah. They're terrifying you.

There's this woman next to you, terrifying you. And then you just like snapped to in the hallway. Yeah, I just like kind of snapped to the hallway. I don't remember. I don't know if it's like I don't remember because I was so young, but I was in the hallway. I just remember standing at the top of the stairs, just bawling my eyes out. And my mom is there.

You know, and I was like, I was in bed. Yeah. Before. And so it was, I don't know what happened in between there and all. If I had the courage, I don't think I did. I don't think I had the courage to get out of there. I'm being honest. And what's really curious to me, too, like, looking back at that, is that that room was, like, my safe space for when bad things would happen.

Yeah. So like when my mom and my father were like getting into arguments or my father would come home and like just he would literally just start wailing on like my siblings, my older siblings. I would just run and hide underneath the bed of my parents. Yeah. Because there was this little, the bed had like a headrest that was also dueling as like cupboards and stuff. So I could hide underneath the bed and get into this little nook that was underneath the headrest that I could just feel like that. that's where I felt the most safe. Yeah.

And I no longer could go into that room after that. It's interesting how like the, you know, the experience also coincides with your age and what would be hyper impressionable for, I mean, it'd be impressionable for anybody, but especially someone so young. And how it, like, the thing that it's doing is it's poking holes in that sense of safety and confidence that you had in that room. It's like, look, even here, you know, you're not, you're not free. You're not safe here.

You should still be afraid of all these things. And we've talked before on the graveyard shift about how powerful a tool fear is. And so in confusion and just despair, but especially in children. Yeah. It's crazy. So what happened next? Yeah. So after that, like I couldn't go back into that room.

Years went by a couple of years, probably. I was five, right? my oldest sister, she used to like babysit us. You know, she's a lot older than me. Don't know exactly by how much, but quite a good amount of years. She was like in her teens and that was, you know, five. That was like five. And so she was old enough to like take care of us.

Well, she's supposed to take care of us. That's the idea. And this story will tell you how well she did. But like, you know, she was like on the heavier set side, you know, like. Her name is Fatima. My older brother would make fun of her and call her fat Emma. Okay. I wasn't going to say it.

People are saying other people. It gives you a picture. She wasn't like obese or anything, but like she was definitely like. The whole set of this story. So far it's just been three minutes of how fat your sister was. And negligent as a baby's. It's like a meme. Hey, I found a picture of your sister.

They called her fat Emma. Well, like, I'm just kind of setting up like she, you know, like she took some of the criticism. She was trying to work out, right? And so we went across the street of where our town home was. There was a park. And so she took us, took me across the street while she's supposed to be watching me. Sets me down like on a playground and tells me to play and sets me on a swing, you know. And I'm just like by myself.

And she goes for a run like for like 20 minutes by myself. Just like away. Away. This is like the like early 2000s. Yeah, it was that was, you know what, that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, she goes for a run, right? And it's like middle of the day.

It's not quite like, it's not quite like lunchtime, but it's not quite evening either. Right? My mom's at work. My dad's at work, right? Supposedly. That's what we were told anyway. Yeah. Pretty sure he's doing other stuff.

Work. Like he was working. not legally. Ah, yes. He was working on getting put in prison. He was probably selling drugs. He was in commerce. Nominal Muslim.

That's not really that nominal. I mean, my point exactly. You know, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, she went for a run and suddenly like 20 minutes later, she comes back like completely. like terrified out of her mind.

And she's like, get up, get up. And like grabs me and runs across this highway. Like that's basically that, because I said it was across the street for her townhouse. That road is like, it's not like, it's a really busy road. Yeah. Out in West Valley. And it could be considered a highway. Like 45, 55, 55 man hour speed limit type of thing?

Yeah. And so runs across that street, takes us home. And she like begins telling our parents when they get home. and my brother when he gets home from school, right, that she saw like this man in a hat, right, behind a fence that would just, like, stand there and just stare at her. And she, like, got fed up with it, you know, because she was, like, creeped out, terrified, you know,

talking about this dreaded feeling she was having and, like, started calling at this guy to, like, knock it off. And then he started running towards them, like, jumping the fence. And so she like freaked out and just ran. And for the longest time, my brother, he was like wanting to go over there to see it. You know, he was like, I'm interested. I want to know this. I want to fight this thing.

You know? Classic boy girl response. Yes. She runs. He's like, I will fight this hat man. Yeah. Which is funny. I will harm him.

He's a coward. But he was just like super intrigued. Talking big game. Right. Talking a big game. And so finally, they like hatch up a plan together because my parents weren't just going to let them go. Yeah.

Go fight the hatman. Go fight the hatman. Yeah. And so they're like, oh, we'll take, we'll take our little brother, you know, like I can't say Thomas because my name was changed when I was adopted, like when I got saved. Yeah. So it was like, we're going to take, you know, our little brother. We'll take him across the street to, you know, the place.

ground and, you know, and it's be late at night, right? It's like getting close to fourth in July kind of season. But like, it's going to be late at night, you know, like, oh, we'll just, you know, we'll just want to spend time with our little brother. Right. You're the bait. They did not want to spend time. Right.

They literally left beyond that playground again. Like now it's like, fat am, now it's like. Now it's like night. It's nighttime. Yeah, yeah. Dark. It's dark. I have by myself on a.

play grab. You get like this is little Thomas on the swing. This is fine. It's like squeak. Yeah. It's like squeak of like, why am I here by this?

So they went to find the hot. They went to go find this hat man guy. And at the time like hearing this story, like it took years to realize and connect the dots of like the hat man story. Yeah. Me, it's just like this guy in a hat.

Yeah. Right. And so they went off to go look for him. And again, 20 minutes, 30 minutes go by and they like come booking. My brother is like, like my sister was terrified.

He's even more terrified and he's outrunning my older sister. Well, not that hard. Yeah. But like he's like leagues away. Like leaving her behind. Yeah. He talks a big game. I'm going to fight the freaking half man.

Get me out there. But in the back of his head he's just like, I know I can outrun that out. And he's like, if he gets my sister, that'll slow him down. Then I'll get away. Yeah. Exactly. And so like, but this time they're screaming, he got some knife, he got some knife kind of thing. And like, he literally like is running just grabs me and I'm small enough. Yeah. You know,

he just like picks me up and runs across the busy street in the middle of the night. Doesn't even look like he just like goes. Right. People like cars are stopping and stuff. We get home and they're freaking out. My, my mother's pissed because she's like, you just left your brother for like 20 minutes. And there's a man. chasing you with a knife. So you narc. They immediately narmed. Yeah. Like the whole story comes out. The whole story comes out. And they're just like, they saw the guy again.

Same fence. Same chain link fence. But this time he's standing there and he's just like, like he's brandishing a knife in front of him gleaming in the light basically. And it's dark. So like he's just getting like these little glances of light from like the poles on the, in the park and just like shining it. And he's like, my brother's all like trying to talk again.

Again, a big game is like, what, what are you going to do kind of stuff and like egging the guy on? Yeah, smart. And then again, very like weirdly just like starts booking it towards them, hops the fence like almost instantly. And they're like just gone. Yeah, yeah. You know, they just get completely terrified and run. Dude, it's like spring heel jack. It actually is kind of like.

It's a lot like spring hill jack. Like jump in the fence. Just the jumping. Not really doing much to anybody. But scaring the crap. Just scaring the living daylights out of them. There was a story that I heard from this couple, and they had experienced it directly.

They had like a little girl. They were in their bedroom at night, and their little girl was out of their door, down the hall on the left or something. And then if you had gone out the door, and then before you got to the room, there were stairs down to the first level of their house. And the man woke up.

It was kind of a hypnagogic event, but he wasn't paralyzed. It wasn't sleep paralysis. And he sees this dark face just peek out from behind the door. Dude, see that. And then peek back and the, like, the hands are long and spindly. Yeah.

Okay. And the face is like way up at the top of the door. It's like a long, and he's, he's like mid-story. Let me. But what happened? Just wait. Just wait. No, no, no, no.

That wasn't it. I'm sorry. That wasn't it. He's like, I'm still cooking. So he wakes is what his, it wasn't, unfortunately, they were fornicating. Don't fornicate or the devil will get you. True. And his girlfriend wakes up.

And both of them here, it was like a wooden creak kind of situation. They heard the steps creaking down. And Evan, if you don't sound design, this really good, like Ben's fired. And they're going down the step. They hear the steps down. But then all of a sudden, they just hear sprinting up the stairs. And they both get up there running because it goes not to their bedroom, but towards their daughter's bedroom. And they both get up and they run into the room. Before they get there, they hear their daughter start wailing. and they wake her up and she's covered in scratches. What?

Scratches. There is a strong streak of Hatman or black, like, kind of people, shadow person stories that resulted in two things, very oddly. Scratches or strangulation. Those are like the two things that the Hatman or the Shadow people love to do to people, which is scratch them up or strangle them. Well, that's another thing, too, is that every time, And they have told this story.

They cannot see his face. He's like a dark figure. Okay, yeah. See, I was going to ask. I was going to ask if he smiled. And all they could do was see that he was wearing a hat. Like, that's like, it was like a cello of a man. But the only distinction that like made it like, like very distinct.

Like, he had a hat on. He's always got that hat. Where did he get that hat? Who do he get it from? Did he lose a golden fiddle contest? What kind of hat? The second place price was a hat. Yeah.

It was like a Fidora. It was the devil. No. And then like my wife has like tons of hatman stories. Oh yeah. And she's like telling me these stories. I'm like, I have one. It reminds me of that,

uh, Mothman adjacent story that we recently, uh, did for, which I don't, they haven't heard it yet. It depends on whether or not it's come out yet where this graveyard shift lands.

But the, the, it was like two boys. They're walking in Jersey City. And they're just, it's like downtown. You know, they're next to the interstate,

uh, the Jersey pass. And they walk through this intersection. and across like diagonal ways across the intersection is this fence, keeping people from going up to the Jersey Pass, or Jersey Turnpike. And they see this really tall,

haided figure. Be hadded. Behaded figure. And he is just staring at him and he's really like, just looks not right, you know? They can see his face. The difference is they can see his face,

but it was really pale. And then he just like smiles at him, that creepy, uncanely. any smile that goes from ear to ear. That's so weird. And so they book it. You know, it's a lot like your brother. They're like, I'm not trying to hang around. If I can outrun Fat Emma, I'm good. So they book it, dude. But later they found out that there was a woman who lived in some of the apartment buildings that were close by who got chased by an abnormal, like witnesses said, an abnormally tall man who was wearing a hat and was like smiling from ear to ear, chasing the woman with a knife

down the alleyway. No one knows what happened of the world. And it was in Jersey she was like, use guys, you guys get back here. Use kids.

Dude. That was the worst. We're better at foreign accents. We're better at foreign accents. Oh, I'll come back here. Hey, homie.

Get back here, dog. We continue to get one star reviews on On a Cosmos saying I love everything, but the accents have to stop. I'm letting you know right now.

They're not going to stop. People that say that don't have an accent. Hey, listen to less funny people. I am the accent enjoyer when I was to your name's podcast. A real one. Yeah, yeah. I appreciate it. They couldn't see the guy's face.

Now, the weird thing about that, I want people to make sure they remember this detail from the story. Good use of detail. Thank you. The first time Fat Emma saw this thing was in the middle of the day. Yeah. And she still, his face was just blacked out. Yeah. Now, just couldn't see his face.

Could have been the shadow from the hat brim. Okay. could have also been not the shadow from the hat brim, but it's just not a discernible face. Well, like the day, too, it was like dusk. It wasn't like really light outside either. So it was cloudy. It was very dim.

It was very dim. And she was very adamant that like, she could not make out any true features from this man. Dude, it was the gloaming. Right. How tall is this fence? It was like over six feet tall. It is a big fence.

Yeah, it's like a big, it's like one of those fences where it's like, It was like the fence was up because that there was a house there. You know, so it was like this park is surrounded by houses. Right. And so it's tall enough to where it's like balls can't just easily get. Yeah, it's a privacy fence. You know, it's a privacy fence.

You could see through it because it's chain link. Of course. But it's like one of those like stay on my yard kind of. Turns out it's just that guy's house. Yeah. He just lives there. Get out of my house, kids. I'll threaten you with a knife.

Yeah. But it was just weird because it was like just standing there. And she was like running like doing her laps. and like she felt like it was looking at her, but she couldn't make out eyes. So she passed it multiple times. Yeah. Yeah, dude.

Did anything else happen to you? Yeah. Well, like directly. Directly after that, yeah. Like, I never saw that, the Hatman, right? Like, in those two stories. Yeah.

But ever since then, you know, like up until I got saved, was we would be like going for rides in the car. You know, This was even after we moved away from that West Valley house, but we would be in rides in the car, and I would see like a dark figure in a hat, just like in a tree. In a tree.

Next to a tree, next to a house kind of thing. Like corner of my eye as resuming by. And I would look and like nothing's there. You know, like just these, and then we would be in like grocery stores and I'd see a figure. And at the out of the corner of my eye, a dark figure. And I'd look and I'd be like,

was that like what my brother saw, what my sister saw? is it a figma in my imagination? You know, and I just constantly was like, it was a dark time in my life. Maybe it's just, I was just terrified. You know, like I was just constantly scared child because of the state I was in.

Yeah. But at the same time as you were saying, like, because of that, maybe, you know, looking back, like maybe there was just something to that. There was like a spirit lingering. Yeah. Of classic shadow people behavior. Oh, yeah.

They're always lingering. It's funny, too. There's like a whole trope in, horror movies of the thing. It looks like a person, but it's a little bit not quite right. The uncanny valley. I'll avoid using the word uncanny anymore in this episode. I use it too much.

But, and how you just keep seeing it, and it's like it's following you. And maybe every once in a while, it gets a little bit closer, and then it gets a little bit closer, and then it gets a little bit closer. And there's this, there's, you know, people try to psychologize it away as is like, well, it's the fear of our own. destruction or ego death or it's the it's just the irrational fear that we have of being followed in the world and having a sense that we're being watched okay at the same time we do have a sense for being watched that's something that has been proven over and over again and sure that sense can be manipulated and played with but that actually to me can lend credence to the this whole phenomenon of the shadow people because if it can be manipulated then it can be manipulated

And that means it can be manipulated by the forces of darkness as well. And it's just more and more fear, more and more fear, more and more despair, more looking over your shoulder, no just looking at what's in front of you and being there and noticing the truth of what you're actually seeing with your eyes. Always wondering like, well, what's this phantom thing that I'm seeing? Yeah. And how that can distract you from normalcy and from your own sin. And the reality is Utah is a land that has never been uniquely among the continental. U.S. never been predominantly or overwhelmingly Christian in its whole history. So it went from the Navajo Ute demons of the Native American demon worshiping peoples to Mormons and, you know,

the Mormon problems. And it's never been overwhelmingly Christian. So in a lot of ways, like it's the land that hasn't been cleansed of its unclean spirits. And the funny thing about the The Mormon thing is, you know, they're worshiping a false God. And but they're doing it in a way that's very whitewashed to me, you know, where everything looks very good on the outside. Angel of Light. Yeah, world facing. It's all like, look how shiny and happy we are as people are.

It looks fair, but feels foul. Yes, servants of the enemy indeed. But that might also help explain why so much of it is like, it's a little bit behind the curtain, like some of these more overt things. It's even like the temple. Like you see Mormonism from the exterior, but so many of their rights are hidden from you. And it's very esoteric in that way, like freemasonry and stuff. But yeah, that's interesting.

Last story I have from this house was it's super off topic compared to the other stories. But we were all hanging out like me and my family inside the kitchen. And suddenly like the lights like start changing different colors. Like reds, blues, greens kind of thing. and we don't have like those type of lights. And we saw the same type of colors that were flashing inside the house outside, out in the sky. And was like an object flying across the sky. And we all saw it.

Like we were all there. And we like stood outside like on our little porch like in the back of the town home. And we watch it fly across the sky. And we're all like, that was really weird. I wonder what that was. You know, like maybe it was like some U.S. government like thing. Who knows? And it happened for like 30 seconds.

everything was normal. But it was like, was that like, like, like, so the longest time, I always thought like, did I see aliens?

Like, what, what was that? Eyes in the sky. How big were the lights? Um, like, in the sky? Yeah.

I couldn't tell because it was so far away. But it was like close enough, it was like close enough to see that like, there was flashing lights. Could have been a plane? Could have been a plane, but it was like, I've never seen a plane flash so many colors.

Oh, it was like a lot of different colors. Yeah. It was like a lot of different colors. Sometimes blue. There was like red, white, blue, green, purple. It was like all the different. And you had seen those in the room before you saw that.

It was inside the house. It was all the lights like in the kitchen. But it was far enough away to where the lights from the craft wouldn't have just been coming into the house. Yeah. Like it was too far for that. Like we were looking at like our lights in the kitchen. And they were turning colors.

That's weird. Very strange. I have no reference. I've never heard a story like that. That was very strange. Because I was thinking, oh, the lights went off. It's like, polter guys. Yeah.

But that's, what was weird to me is like, we all saw it. Yeah. And we're all like, that was super strange. But then it was like, everybody just kind of blew it off. You know, like, didn't, like, I didn't hear any of it. I was also like really young.

I was like five. And so no one really talked to me about it. They were like, he's five. He's five. He's got nothing to ask. Yeah. I get it. Dude, I got it.

I have no skin in the game. Right. Yeah. I don't know if they talk. talked about it amongst themselves. Yeah, later. Once you're in bed, it's like, okay, guys, now we can dish. Now we can.

But it was just like, to me it was like, was forgotten for the longest time. Very strange. That, I, that reminds me a little bit of some of the Devil's Den stuff. What was the guy's name? Do you remember? Terry. Terry Lovelace. Yeah.

Terry, the first, like, UFO encounter that he remembers was when he was camping with his friend. And one of the things that really marks that case was, They were sitting there. They're around the campfire. And then the lights show up on the horizon and they just keep coming up. And they described it as being entranced. Like they weren't thinking anything of it. They were just noticing it.

But they couldn't notice anything else. They couldn't look away. And that's exactly how it felt. Yeah. And then, too, like that happened to him, he claims in his book, that something similar happened to him as a child where he was playing in his backyard. And he looks up in the sky and it's, middle of the day, middle of the day

offered, not very subtle. And he sees a black UFO in the sky, and it's just there for what he describes as five seconds, and he's just looking at it for the five seconds. But minutes go by, and his mom looks out and sees him staring up at the sky,

comes back 20 minutes later, and he's still there in the same spot. And she rushes out the door, and right when he heard the door slam is when he stopped looking at the thing. But to him it had been five seconds. But to her, she had watched him intermittently staring up in the sky for upwards of 20, 25 minutes. And he never really had any reference for that until later on when he started to apparently remember all these things,

allegedly. But that is one of the interesting things about his case. And then a similar thing happened to the Betty and Barney Hill case where they're driving and they have missing time. But part of what made, part of what makes their case so terrifying is that they're just, they're stopped in the middle of the road by this massive orb that's blocking the way and they just don't care about it. Like they're noticing it and nothing else.

Oddly apathetic. Yeah, oddly apathetic, oddly calm. They're just, hmm, I guess we'll just wait for this, this thing to get out of our way. Yeah. And eventually it does. And then after that, they start to notice all these markings on their body

and the missing time and things like that. It's just very, it's really weird, how sometimes these things can be interconnected. Yeah. What's like what makes me think about like the situation I was in was like the oddly apathetic. Yeah. That's exactly how it felt.

But I don't remember missing time or anything like that. But nobody just, it was just like it happened and then move on. Yeah. I think like we just went about the rest of the night, you know, like as if nothing super strange just happened. And especially looking back, you're like, no, that was wrong. That was weird. Like the lights shouldn't have done that.

The light, like a plane wouldn't have those colored lights. That was like something was off. Why were we not talking about this for like years? Yeah. And like even now, like it barely gets brought up. That's so weird. And so that was like the last story I had like at that house. Yeah.

Shortly after that, my mom gets a divorce with my biological father. And she starts dating a Christian man. And she comes to Christ. through that. We move from that house and we end up living, like he lets us live in his trailer and he goes and lives with his mom kind of thing for a time. And after that, like no more spiritual, like weird stuff ever happened to me again. And then as I got saved too, it's like I had like these spiritual moments. And so I was tried to become like, but it wasn't trying to become like, a ghost hunter, but like me and my friends that I grew up with, we would go actively out to

like cemeteries, you know, go to try to see and experience weird spiritual stuff. But at this point, I'm saved. I'm a Christian. My dad, like, prays over our house all the time. He just says, like, God, like, guard our house with, like, a legion of angels and stuff like that. So he's always constantly, like, saying this prayer to us telling me, you know, like, because I'm like a bottle of fear basically. Like it's a problem where I'm like constantly having to sleep with my mom on the floor or near her kind of thing. And one of the things that he would do to like try to like get this, you know, this issue that I had was to remind me that like I'm gods now, that we are a home of Christ and that I'm protected not just by him but by, you know, by God and his legion of angels who are covering me. And it took some time, but eventually, like I was like became less and less afraid all the time whenever the lights went off or whenever I was alone. And so as that time went on and he talked to me about like just, you know, have like a clear mind, you know, just some things can be explained away just by

like wind or whatever. Don't just be terrified of everything you hear and just use some reason. You know, like you're going to be okay. Like nothing bad is going to happen to you. I'm going to protect you. God's protecting you. And as, that went on, and I would go out to these, like, you know, like little ghost hunts with my friends that night because we were just left unattended. Yeah. Way more than naturally. Way more than I should have. It was the early 2000s. Yeah. It was. We were all on a tent. Yeah. And so, you know, we would go to friends' houses to have a sleep over and then, like, sneak out, like, go to the graveyard and try to, like, have spooky moments. And my friends would be like, dude, I went to this,

like, cave and, like, I saw, like, it's orb and stuff. And I was, like, terrified, like, come with me. You know, like let's experience this together. And then we get really upset whenever I'd go with them. And it's not like they were like mad at me for like me, but they were like, dude, every time you come, nothing happens at all. Christ is. And it's like Jesus Christ is the Lord of spirits.

And he was like not today. Even though my silliest, dumbest soldier is trying to go ghost hunting. I'm not going to let it work. Yeah. That's right. Christ's came. They would just describe themselves like when I insult you. No, you're good.

Like, I agree. But I did. But it was just so funny because they'd go and they'd tell me about these stories and be like how terrified they felt. And they're like, dude, like, I like, I like, I like, I'm not as terrified. You know, like, I feel a lot. Yeah. Like, like, you give off a good, like, positive energy, you know, like, you're really encouraging in that sense. It's the Holy Spirit.

Yeah. But at the same time, they're like, but I hate it when you come because nothing ever happens. We just kind of hang out. I keep trying to get possessed by a dean and it doesn't work. Dude, we were, we were, that weirdly reminds me of, uh, yet, uh, on Saturday of time of recording this past Saturday. We were all hanging out at my house with like my wife and the kids. We were all there. And I was downstairs coming upstairs.

And I heard, I heard my wife look at my oldest. and she was like, what did you just say? And he goes, I said that that place has a good energy. And she was like, where did you learn to say that? We don't say that. Where did you learn to say that? And he was like, Gandalf says it in The Hobbit. And she goes, and she goes, well, he was wrong to say that.

She's correcting like a my arm. Yeah, yeah. Your wife's so based. I know. She's like, you get stoned to death too because you're a wizard. She was like, Abner. It's the Holy Spirit. It's not a good energy.

So good. But it's funny because, like, I remember one time we went to a friend's house and he was talking about how his house is haunted. Right. And we were spending the night. And I eventually fell asleep. It was, like, super late. But my two friends, they stayed up.

And they were talking about how, like, you know, they were trying to, like, interact with the spirit that's in the house. And, like, furniture was moving. Lights were flickering. I'm asleep. Right. None of I didn't see any of this here. And this is all just spoken to me, you know, because they see that things flip over cards that they laid out get flipped over kind of thing. And they're like, it's not wind because all the doors are closed. You know, windows are closed. Like, they're just like adamant. Like it's happening. And so they like rush up because they're like, dude, finally like he can't experience this with us. And he was like, wake him up. You know, and so they come, they wake me up. And I'm like, all right, let's let's go. And at the time, I'm super skeptical. about all this stuff come like, it's not real, right?

Get down there and they're like, it's gone. Like that dread. Dude, you're a real wet blanket. Like, we would go downstairs and I'm like, dude, that feeling of dread is gone. Nothing's happening. It's your fault.

Thomas, can you just go to sleep? Yeah. So we can have fun. Call your mom and have her come pick you up. Wow. Yeah. Thomas, thanks for coming on the show. Yeah.

Thank you, Thomas. Thanks for your time. Hey, can I take us out? Dude, can I take us out? Can I blow your mind real quick? Yes, please, do it. Thomas, thanks for coming on. Listener, thank you so much for listening to this installment of the graveyard shift.

We hope that it was entertaining, that these stories were fun for you. But more importantly, that you see the theme here, that the spiritual world is real. It's not something to be trifled or toyed with. But it's also, because of Christ, not a thing to be filled. with existential fear of because Christ is king. He really is the Lord of the spirits. And so if you listen to this, I know we joke, we mentioned, you know, like this Muslim father and, you know, the sins he was committing in his home and the way that was connected to these dark spiritual events, the reality is that you live in a spiritual war, but that Christ has conquered, that the father has put all of

these unclean spirits, Satan himself, to open shame through the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. And you don't have to live in fear of these things. You come to Christ, repent of your sin, put your trust in him, and you can have life in him. You can have the Holy Spirit. And he's not just a good vibe. He's literally the Holy Spirit of God dwelling in you. So thanks for listening, guys. We hope that it was edifying to you. And if you like what we do here at Honod Cosmos or the Graveyard Shift, then we'd encourage you to check out our Patreon channel too and support the show and help us continue to make this show possible. But thanks again for listening and we hope that you have a great week.

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